Challenging the non-believers arguments – part 1; “Michael would never do this to his kids”

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Most people on this website and forum believe Michael Jackson is still alive, but there are also people visiting here that say he is dead. Some do so in a polite way, some in a less polite way, but they all have the same arguments as to why Michael Jackson could never have hoaxed his death. Because it is going in circles mostly on the forum about this, I decided to resuscitate this blog and post my view on these arguments. This is only part one, I will be challenging more whenever I have time.

One of the opinions that is most expressed by non-believers, is that Michael would never do this to his kids. I strongly disagree with that statement, and I will try to explain in this piece why I disagree. People are welcome to challenge my view, if they can and they are also welcome to reply to this blog and share other arguments that make you believe Michael is really dead. This is my attempt to show the non-believers why we think what we think and that we are in no way disrespecting Michael. We heard your side of the story, some of us even were on your side, now try to see this from our point of view, before accusing us of being disrespectful to Michael.

Let’s start with the person this is all about: Michael Jackson. Many of you know that I am not a fan, and that I never followed his life. That doesn’t mean I didn’t know and appreciate his work. I have always seen him as a fantastic artist and whenever Michael Jackson did something, it was something new, something different and often something shocking. He calls himself an innovator and a pioneer, and that is exactly what he is, and always has been when you look at his work. I’d like to start with some things coming directly from the horse’s mouth, before getting at the question if Michael would do this (hoaxing his death) to his children.

Michael holds a firm record with ‘Thriller’. Artists these days aren’t even trying to top that album, because they know beforehand that it’s most likely never going to happen. Not even Michael himself ever broke his own record. Does that mean he accepted that and planned some new albums that would probably do good, but never as good as Thriller, before he would retire and maybe even be ‘forgotten’ and replaced as the greatest entertainer? Or do you think he was planning something big that would shock the world? When I listen to some of his own words, I think the man had something up his sleeve for quite a while:

“But still, but still, I promise you; The best is yet to come!” on mark 9:21:

“My birthday wish is that you will join me in some new undertakings.” on mark 9:55:

“I’m very proud to be an entertainer and you ain’t seen nothing yet.” on mark 3:03:

Geraldo: “What’s the big plan, what’s the big picture at this stage in your life? What has been left unachieved, what would you like to do?”

Michael: “There are a lot of surprises… Film, I love film. […] It’s not so much film, but it’s innovating it and pioneering it. Taking the medium to a new place. […] And I’m having a lot of fun.” at the start:

Does this sound like another tour? Was that his big plan? It sounds more like a big movie project to me and certainly not another tour. Wouldn’t a real life Thriller, an interactive movie project with the whole world as a stage and an opportunity to expose the lies of the media be a movie project that Michael Jackson could have planned?

Okay, back to the children. One of the main arguments non-believers give for Michael being dead, is that he would never do this to his children. Fair enough, but that would mean that the original story (Michael died because of a Propofol overdose) is true, whether he was intentionally killed or not, because this is what the autopsy report says. So let’s have a closer look at the official story and draw some conclusions out of it.

According to reports, Michael was addicted to painkillers and anesthetics. He had trouble sleeping and shopped for RX, even begged doctors and nurses for propofol. On June 25, 2009, he came home after rehearsal and couldn’t sleep. Allegedly, doctor Murray gave him multiple kinds of drugs, before injecting the fatal dose of propofol in the morning.

Let’s assume this story is true. Whether Murray intentionally injected Michael with a fatal dose or not, we do know that Michael let Murray inject him voluntarily, since there was no sign of struggle on the crime scene, and no signs of struggle found on the body according to the autopsy report and Michael even had an IV. So either way, Michael was irresponsibly taking dangerous amounts and combinations of drugs, just to get some sleep. It means that if this were true, there are 2 scenarios for what happened that day:

1. Michael indeed was a hardcore drug addict, taking dangerous combinations of drugs for a long period of time and Murray just happened to be giving him the fatal shot, intentionally or not.

2. Michael was not a drug addict, but was stressed out and anxious about the upcoming concerts, had trouble sleeping and therefore hired an incapable cardiologist that doesn’t even know how to perform proper CPR, and pays him a shitload of money so he would administer him dangerous anesthetics.

People might argue that Michael thought that Murray was only going to put him on an IV for hydration, but Murray administered many other drugs before he allegedly administered the propofol. As reported, Michael was still not able to sleep, thus awake and knowing what Murray gave him. The drugs given to him do not feel like hydration, they effect you, whether they put you down or not.

People can then say that Michael didn’t stay awake and that Murray just kept giving him drugs while he was asleep, before giving him the propofol. That doesn’t make sense in either way. If Murray intended to kill Michael, he would have done it straight away, while it was still night and he could easily get away, after hiding the evidence and removing the bottles of propofol.

If Murray had good intentions it doesn’t make sense either, because if the drugs were working and Michael stayed under with the benzos, then why such a risk to give him propofol outside a hospital setting? He was already asleep, so no need for dangerous anesthetics.

So my point is, what sounds more plausible to you?

Michael being a hardcore drug addict who died because of a heavy addiction, risking his life and risking leaving his children without a father?

Michael is an irresponsible father, naive and stupid enough to let some incapable doctor administer a dangerous drug, just to get some sleep? That he wasn’t aware of the risks involved? That he is a dummy when it comes to medication? The man that rarely trusts anyone and who feared for his life, let some doctor inject him with stuff of which he didn’t really know what it was? Or that he did know and simply didn’t give a damn about the risks and therefore intentionally risking to leave his kids behind without a father?

Or do you think Michael is a genius, planned a complex death hoax for reasons that will only benefit his children and is maybe even seeing his kids on a regular basis? That Michael cares about this planet and his children enough to plan a death hoax that will bring some awareness, awakening and hope to people, that will benefit not only his and his children’s safety, but also that of you, me and planet earth, that will bring the proof that the media cannot be trusted -something he has been saying for years already- and on top of all that, will break each and every record and make him immortal?

You decide.

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glenda
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I so agree with you. You said it very well. Michael loves his family and his fans. He will shock the world. I love you Michael. Come back in your own time when you are ready.This will be the greatest comeback of all time. I believe that MJ is making a movie of this entire hoax and we are all a part of it. I believe in him, and keeping the faith.

anonymous3
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As a non-believer, I’m still waiting for the challenge or at least a solid argument. I, just speaking for myself, never thought he wouldn’t do this to his children…parents go a long, very long way to keep their children out of harm’s way… So, I guess that’s no argument (at least not to me) nor a challenge. I’m eagerly awaiting part 2
Blessings everyone

Souza
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anonymous3 : As a non-believer, I’m still waiting for the challenge or at least a solid argument. I, just speaking for myself, never thought he wouldn’t do this to his children…parents go a long, very long way to keep their children out of harm’s way… So, I guess that’s no argument (at least not to me) nor a challenge. I’m eagerly awaiting part 2 Blessings everyone So share yours, so I can try and answer you. You might not see this as a big deal, but many non-believers do. It’s the argument I hear the most, so that is why… Read more »
paula-c
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Souza Okay, I am not of those who say that Michael would not do this or would not do that, I do not know what was or the reasons for this, but I think he did it for their sake and their children

MelJoy
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One Word… Shamone.

Lee Beatty
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Has anyone ever read a book called, “Alive, Alaska”? It can be Googled and once you read this “fictional” offering, you may also ask if Michael Jackson is really dead. You may just be in for a real surprise. The past lives in “Alive, Alaska”. This it’s impossible? Read that book and you decide. Thank you.

Gaby
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Hello, I´m a german , so please excuse my english.Will tell you something: First time when i heard Michael Jackson is dead, i was shocked, like the whole world, but in the moment, when I saw his kids first time on tv , i KNOW that he is alive. No i am not crazy or silly or anything and i was never a great a fan of Michael Jackson´s music, but my whole life i was a fan of the human Michael Jackson.The fazination of this man is his humanity and nothing else for me.I have about the same age… Read more »
anonymous3
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Souza : anonymous3 : As a non-believer, I’m still waiting for the challenge or at least a solid argument. I, just speaking for myself, never thought he wouldn’t do this to his children…parents go a long, very long way to keep their children out of harm’s way… So, I guess that’s no argument (at least not to me) nor a challenge. I’m eagerly awaiting part 2 Blessings everyone So share yours, so I can try and answer you. You might not see this as a big deal, but many non-believers do. It’s the argument I hear the most, so that… Read more »
L.O.V.E.
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Yes I completely agree with what you said souza….if anybody says that MJ is no more, then they should be able to answer all of the wierd things that have been happening since june 25th….but i’m pretty sure they can’t. And judging beLIEvers “not fans” is cruel…THEY are not fans if they judge people. that’s what even mj said, not to judge anyone without knowing much about them. If i were a non-believer (which i’m not)then i would never say such a stupid thing!!! Any non-beliver will not be able to retort with what u wrote….they’ll be dumbfounded.
L.O.V.E.

Jennifer
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I hope that MJ is alive.. and I would completely agree with all the reasons he hoaxed his death and did what he did.. he is a person who has strong moral convictions and would never play a hoax to deceive but only to teach and make a great example and message out of it.What Michael did with his talent and fame was incredible..never boasting or walking with arrogance, no, on the contrary, he was humble and genuine and he cared for people,the planet and showed deep compassion for the unfortunate.How many celebreties of these time show and do the… Read more »
Julieanne
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I’m not really sure about this hoax thing. Is the evidence I recieve when I begin to investigate from a real source

Cecilia
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QUOTE ‘Michael is an irresponsible father, naive and stupid enough to let some incapable doctor administer a dangerous drug, just to get some sleep? Or do you think Michael is a genius, planned a complex death hoax for reasons that will only benefit his children and is maybe even seeing his kids on a regular basis?’ Your options that you give to people is typical this or that. Maybe is not this or that, maybe is in the middle. – For example let’s say Mike is dead. Maybe all he asked from this doctor is to provide with mix of… Read more »
Dr C Cooper
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You clearly have no understanding of what Profofol is, how it is administered or the effect it has on the body. I would at least grasp that before concocting a theory on Michael Jackson being alive. You will also benefit from learning something about acute insomnia.

Rose
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Whether alive or not either way, anyone who loves Michael dosen’t have to be sad. If he’s around, well everything’s OK and if not, then he’s in a better place away from this torture. As to his comeback, its my personal opinion that he shouldn’t because it might startup a lot of problems for him, not to mention the hatred of the families whose members stupidly committed suicide for Michael(its the last thing he would’ve ever wanted, right?) Anyway, no matter what, Michael’s kids are either holding up well at the loss or they have been well taught how to… Read more »
anonymous3
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Cecilia : QUOTE ‘Michael is an irresponsible father, naive and stupid enough to let some incapable doctor administer a dangerous drug, just to get some sleep? Or do you think Michael is a genius, planned a complex death hoax for reasons that will only benefit his children and is maybe even seeing his kids on a regular basis?’ Your options that you give to people is typical this or that. Maybe is not this or that, maybe is in the middle. – For example let’s say Mike is dead. Maybe all he asked from this doctor is to provide with… Read more »
Jeanne
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Put aside the question is Michael alive or departed? The way I see this is people all over the world are talking about Michael Jackson, not just former fans. There is a reason for this. Question is (and you have to answer this for yourself,) “WHY”. I know why. Do you? If this is the greatest story on earth then what is the story about. Think about that. How does the story start, whats in the middle and , how the story peaks , its twists and turns , the building drama, the fight for justice, the excitement, the drama… Read more »
jackie
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one thing, who was dave dave on the larry king show? why is there no name on his grave still? too many things that just are not right, too many when you look back at the memoral, stage sets, trees missing, trees added, green screen used.the list goes on and on. there is something wrong with all this.two bodies in the helicopter? one too large to be mj goes in, tiny surfboard body comes out, while in the back you can still see the bigger body… what is going on then if he has not faked his death?

elke
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I am a newcomer on this site and I am surprised to see that there are non-believers on a MJ death hoax site???? Why would that be, to me it spells more that the non-believers are still not so sure about their believes, or they would simply not entertain searching and registering on a site like this one. It would never occur to me, if I don’t believe in something to join those that do. To the actual topic now, unless a non-believer can come up with some concrete evidence, and I mean concrete, and not just the spoken words… Read more »
anonymous3
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L.O.V.E. : Yes I completely agree with what you said souza….if anybody says that MJ is no more, then they should be able to answer all of the wierd things that have been happening since june 25th….but i’m pretty sure they can’t. And judging beLIEvers “not fans” is cruel…THEY are not fans if they judge people. that’s what even mj said, not to judge anyone without knowing much about them. If i were a non-believer (which i’m not)then i would never say such a stupid thing!!! Any non-beliver will not be able to retort with what u wrote….they’ll be dumbfounded.… Read more »
Viktory
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Hi, I from Russia, forgive for my English,
Michael Jackson is alive, or who that would make almost all for that that it was possible so to think, one only date (death) speaks about much 25.06.09, what accidental concurrence??? Or why the closed coffin? Why (dead) Michael Jackson’s all photo a fake?
That it has conceived those could threaten of its life, in the world there are forces which can easily try to clean everybody if its actions will not like them, even the president.
Mike has left to us signs that it is alive and will return

RK
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Because Michael loves his children so much is one of the foremost reasons why he had to hoax his death. This is a world wide wake up call that will change overall perceptions and allow his and our children to have a future before it is too late and the damage is irreversible. He is a hero. A real modern day hero.

anonymous3
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@ L.O.V.E.: Ok, I hear and understand you. No offence taken. Blessings

Noe
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Michael is alive is true I believe it yeah.

pd
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All I know is that if we BeLIEvers believe mj is alive there is no need to go on twitter and try to convince non beLIEvers first of all jermjackson5 is an imposter yet some of our fellow beLIEvers keep tweeting him I know a jackson family friend that says it is not jermaine tweeting or any of the jackson brothers just because you see a blue checkmark doesn’t mean its him why waste time tweeting an imposter when we as BeLIEvers can do without twitter and all rally together and go to forest lawn and see for ourselves if… Read more »
Padussia
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I personally believe that MJ is indeed alive and the trooth will prevail just wait and see. I love you MJ and I know in my heart that you will return to us one day before you really die.

viviana avendaño
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yo creo sinceramente que michael esta vivo y si fingio su muerte debe ser por una buena razon,yo lo comprendo en cierta forma,ues lo tenian muy acosado,la prensa,las acusaciones de abuso sexual contra niños y demas cosas,creo que el necesitaba un respiro,yo espero que cuando vuelva a mostrarse ante el mundo sus fans lo comprendan,comprendan lo que hiso y por que lo hiso,por que estoy segura que cuando aparesca de nuevo habran muchas personas que lloraran de felicidad y en esas me incluyo yo,no siendo mas”i love michael,vuelve pronto”<3

viviana avendaño
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les pido a todos disculpas por las repeticiones de mi texto,ocurrio un herror.

samantha
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I agree with Gaby, I feel his children and family have been so cool and there’s not the emotion you would expect when you lose a member of your Family let alone someone so special and the childrens reaction, just strange. Yeh no i’m not convinced he’s passed and I wish michael all the Love and Happiness in the world, I believe he does see his children and I wish one day we will here of how he’s doing, I want Michael to be Happy that is my wish for him. I know this sounds strange to most but I… Read more »
Michelle
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IF he is still alive, his children have no idea. That is the only way. Did you see the speech Paris gave at MJ’s funeral? She was not faking it. If his kids knew he was alive, we would ALL know. IF he is alive, he either does not care for his children, or he has some master plan to make all things better when he reveals himself. Keeping it from his loved ones is the only way to pull off this master ‘HOAX’ and knowing how professional MJ is he will only do it the best way. It’s not… Read more »
Candace Washington
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Quote: “So my point is, what sounds more plausible to you? Michael being a hardcore drug addict who died because of a heavy addiction, risking his life and risking leaving his children without a father? Michael is an irresponsible father, naive and stupid enough to let some incapable doctor administer a dangerous drug, just to get some sleep? That he wasn’t aware of the risks involved? That he is a dummy when it comes to medication? The man that rarely trusts anyone and who feared for his life, let some doctor inject him with stuff of which he didn’t really… Read more »
stejarul
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Hello people! I was surprised to find your blog and read things that are somewhat familiar to me. I was born in Romania, an ex-communist country. To make the story short, after lots of research, I came to the conclusion that the actual leaders of Romania in a plot with the head of the SRI (romanian equivalent of KGB) are deliberately poisoning romanians with fluoride to keep them obedient. These leaders and the SRI boss are all members of the Freemasonry group. In the general population, I believe they over-fluorinate the tap water and they fluorinate the table salt. For… Read more »
Candace Washington
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apparently my comments aren’t being approved because the moderator or whoever is in charge of this site thinks i’ve some on too strong. or maybe it’s because they know i’m right?

blessed spirit
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i, am blessed by name it’s been a bad moment 4 m.jackson death but it’s god will,rest in peace.

jackie cade
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Hi, I’m very new to this site. I believe it might be true Michael did fake his own death. I hope so. Do you have any thoughts on the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray that just started? I think he will be vindicated. Do you believe this trial is also a hoax?

akismet-d89a0b69f16d2e7a83a6f5d1b4f36055
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he dead

Daniel Jones
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W3E71MRWEE
MUST WATCH EPIC MOONWALK FAIL!

Daniel Jones
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Manuela Vassalli
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I DO BELIEVE HE IS STILL ALIVE 100%.

I ALSO HAVE A STRONG SENSATION: M.J. WILL SHOW HIMSELF AGAIN TO US ON A SPECIFIC DATE, THE ONE ALL THE WORLD IS TALKING ABOUT SINCE A LONG TIME, THE ONE THAT COMES FROM THE PAST WITH A HUGE QUANTITY OF MISTERIES, THE ONE THAT IS ALREADY REFLECTING ON THE PRESENT, THE ONE THAT IS SO CLOSE TO THE FUTURE: 21ST OF DECEMBER 2012.

Manuela Vassalli
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thank you michael for the bigger show ever you’re givin to us!!!!

Manuela Vassalli
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the show must go on…

April
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I think everyone is over analizing this all together. First of all “IF” MJ is alive he would not do THIS TO HIS CHILDREN, of course they would know and either keep in touch daily and be with him when they can. Its plain and simple. Second of all MJ was not on drugs nor did he even drink, all the media saying this, but since I knew him personally, I know this. Last but not least, if he did hoax this…..he just wants to rest, plain and simple again, he has no date for coming back nor big plan,… Read more »
April
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Sorry I spelled analysis wrong.

anyway have a magickal day all

Jonny Q
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A little late to this thread I suppose, but it seems to be not just the first but also the last of the “series” which tries to address the “non-believers'” arguments. There are apparently so many impressionable people hoping for Michael to be alive that they’re ready to believe “clues,” suggestions, postulations, and weird coincidences over actual facts, documents, eyewitnesses and professionals and experts who testified under penalty of perjury. My best take on all of this is: If there is a single smidgen of real, honest-to-gosh evidence that the hoax is real — then by God, get it to… Read more »
emily
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I’m not so sure, Michael was insanely private and now his children are in the media glare. One of them even doing a movie? Surely he still wants such control? Your points made are clever, and believable. But if this is a hoax, I think it’s not for anyone’s benefit but his and he is not going to to reappear.. what a backlash he would recieve!

anonymous3
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I agree with Jonny Q and emily and may I add, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post Jonny!

April
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Michael is NOT making a movie and he is just fine, if however he is alive. I would just let it go.

I do believe however that plain and simple, he would never do this to his kids, of course they know.

April
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Sorry but I really dont think MJ would chance emailing anyone at this point, to risky. If he did, why hide, if however he is in hiding.

I really do not think he even has email at this point.
Mike is just fine

Have a good day

Sylvia Gabriela (@alsvalia)
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@ Gaby – Thanks for the great point made! That is what I’ve been saying to myself all these 2.5 years. I remember Prince’s bored look while CHEWING GUM during the Memorial service. I lost my father, too, and for 3 years I was barely able to smile for the pain I’ve been through.

Soulhelper
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Michael is earthbound and very unhappy because of not being here. This hoax stuff is only adding to the negative and false energies you are giving off to Michael, thus affecting him crossing over and seeing light properly. If you love him and care about him you will stop this and just honor him for the person he WAS on earth, and stop making HIM think he is still alive in the flesh and going to resurrect. There are several people who know the truth and I am one of them, but when a tortured soul is being called back… Read more »
Soulhelper
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Please…instead of spending time on hoaxes….spend time on praying to God that Michael will see light and forget the material world. Pray for him Please.

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