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Title: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: keyboardwizz on May 22, 2010, 06:38:18 PM
Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked

(http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00115/jacko_280x416_115856a.jpg)

FIRED: Grace Rwaramba
By James Desborough, 23/05/2010

MICHAEL Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba has been sent packing after a clash with his daughter Paris.

The child's grandmother Katherine, 80, told Grace to go after a series of rows with the family.

Family friends say the flashpoint came when disciplinarian Grace, 43, and Paris, 12, argued about her homework.

She told her gran: "We don't like her and we don't want her around."

Within days Grace had left, telling security staff she wanted to work in Haiti as a missionary.

Paris and Jacko's other kids, Prince, 13, and Blanket, eight, were already angry after Grace spoke to a TV interviewer about their dad's drug and money problems.

They were furious at her claims to Daphne Barak, in tapes handed over to the LAPD, that Jacko "terrified" them.

They also saw News of the World stories about Grace being named in police reports on Jacko's pill-popping addiction.

Grace, who worked with Jacko for 17 years, had already had flare- ups with Jacko's sister Rebbie and other staff.

Social services had also warned Katherine to cut the number of people living in the house.

Grace has left before, but this time insiders say she has gone for good.

Source:http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/821761/MICHAEL-Jacksonrsquos-nanny-fired-after-clash-with-his-daughter-Paris.html
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: Kirsche on May 22, 2010, 06:43:07 PM
whoa they picked a really horrible picture of her...sorry for sayin that but it is FACT or doe she also have vitiligo?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: hesouttamylife on May 22, 2010, 06:52:43 PM
Lol, as many times as she has been let go, she should know by now to keep a bag packed.   Bye-Bye Grace.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: whatyourheartsays on May 22, 2010, 06:57:42 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Lol, as many times as she has been let go, she should know by now to keep a bag packed.   Bye-Bye Grace.

You know I think she has a secret place somewhere in the house where she keeps this bag...

I agree about her being too much talking about maybe what she shouldn't, but I also see teens with no more father, getting all their anger on any people saying a word about their dad. To me it's more than defending their father...don't know how to explain. I just feel that maybe now they realise they have all this to face (mean, if Michael is really dead) which they never realised before.
Theyre so young and they have all those stories falling on their shoulders...
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: DancingTheDream on May 22, 2010, 07:06:34 PM
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Lol, as many times as she has been let go, she should know by now to keep a bag packed.   Bye-Bye Grace.

You know I think she has a secret place somewhere in the house where she keeps this bag...

I agree about her being too much talking about maybe what she shouldn't, but I also see teens with no more father, getting all their anger on any people saying a word about their dad. To me it's more than defending their father...don't know how to explain. I just feel that maybe now they realise they have all this to face (mean, if Michael is really dead) which they never realised before.
Theyre so young and they have all those stories falling on their shoulders...

I hear you and know what you are getting at.  I also fear for those children..  now Michael has gone (i think he has, big chance   :cry: ) - then these kids are in big danger.
Michael isnt around to educate them or shield them from the outside world.   They are alone with no parental guidance as they were before..  and with a lot of money.
I fear they will go off the rails in their late teens.. i really do.  

If Paris can dictate who disciplines her and when.. i smell trouble ahead for them all.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: PrettyYoungTeletubby on May 22, 2010, 07:31:38 PM
Why is it that every time an article pops up, we take it for granted while we go screaming not to believe tabloids...

geeeeez this is News of the world....one of the lamest tabloids out there...how could they know what paris thinks or said....oh sure they had some sources: family friends, insiders....... As when they announced Brangelina s split. Now they have to go to court for that lie....

Yes Grace left, we knew this for weeks...As for what s written there, take it with a ton of salt..Maybe they are right for once...maybe theyjust made it all up, the homework stuff etc

Just that sentence, should tell us enough:

Quote

They also saw News of the World stories about Grace being named in police reports on Jacko's pill-popping addiction.

Yeah sure Prince, Paris and Blanket love reading News of the World.....hmpffffffffff...how convenient  :roll:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: DancingTheDream on May 22, 2010, 07:33:37 PM
I think those kids go on the internet and view this stuff about their Dad..  i dont think anyone can shield them from it now.   :?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: whatyourheartsays on May 22, 2010, 07:42:58 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
I think those kids go on the internet and view this stuff about their Dad..  i dont think anyone can shield them from it now.   :?

I don't think they need to be overprotected about all this, but I don't think, "throwing problems away from the house" is a solution. I mean if it's true, it's weird that Paris just have to say a word to stop facing a problem. Ok Grace is part of the "staff" but she raised the kids since they are babies...They should'nt have such reaction towards her.
I don't say they should obey her, she's not their mom, but I have the feeling that something has been "split apart" inside of them.

if the story his true and that Grace left because of Paris's decision. Of course tabloids must love to say Paris is a little dictator  :lol:  At least they have something to say about her.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: *Mo* on May 22, 2010, 07:46:07 PM

Remember Randy's tweets from March 4th...

Quote
All the kids r safe. My nephew is a GREAT kid. Sad that the media has to pick on a 13 year old for their own gain.
8:36 PM Mar 4th via mobile web

As I said, I must unite my family, evident by this most recent issue @ my family home.
9:25 PM Mar 4th via web

Was handled correctly, no harm done. Allegations 90% false, fabricated by evildoers covertly trying 2 separate my family from the inside out

Quick note, TMZ caught me off guard as I was leaving a meeting. I never called them & I'm not their inside source. That will b revealed soon
10:22 PM Mar 4th via web

A private issue, handled internally. The 1 in the house that calld TMZ&DCFS is on a mission 2 exploit us & separate the kids 4 her evil gain
10:29 PM Mar 4th via web

Oops – Did I say ‘her’… ?
10:31 PM Mar 4th via web
'Nuff said...[/b]
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: voiceforthesilent on May 22, 2010, 08:03:19 PM
Nuff said is right. Right from the family's mouth. That's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: AvaMarie on May 22, 2010, 08:08:07 PM
I don't know why but if this is true I don't believe the reason stated above is the reason she was let go. A clash about homework unlikely the true reason. I think a deeper reason exisit. Maybe Grace has overstepped her boundaries too many times.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: loma on May 22, 2010, 08:14:36 PM
They used "Jacko" 5 TIMES.  :roll:

Thank you for that Mo.
But I'm still not sure if we all should
just go and believe this article yet.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: Mj5StarChick on May 22, 2010, 08:22:54 PM
@whatyourheartsays
Well I can see where ur cming from because I am kinda like that :?
Ever since my father passed people in my family say I am nothing but trouble which I'm not :X But anyways I just don't like people speaking of him in negative light because I knew my father better than anyone and I understood him sooo much.
If Michael has passed I wonder why they are makin it sound like Paris is runnin things round there :? .
Oh can I make 1 more connection to myself on this I kinda seem like that 2 I mean if I don't run it who will :P ?
I'm sorry but I hate when people ya know just make me mad over stupid stuff :oops: .
Not sure if I fully believe this just showing how I feel about this article.
@Mo Randy's tweets are very interesting :? !!! Thanks for sharing!!!!
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: dragonflylilies on May 22, 2010, 09:36:42 PM
I'm sure she will be back if she really was fired.  She knows way too much, in my opinion.  Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on May 22, 2010, 10:04:19 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
whoa they picked a really horrible picture of her...sorry for sayin that but it is FACT or doe she also have vitiligo?
She has Lupus.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: loma on May 22, 2010, 10:44:31 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
whoa they picked a really horrible picture of her...sorry for sayin that but it is FACT or doe she also have vitiligo?
Actually, nobody really knows. She has been rumored to have Lupus, but those rumors have been shot down a couple of times. Judging by these pictures, it seems she does, but nobody is really sure.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: paula-c on May 23, 2010, 12:23:35 PM
I do not know if she went or not or what would be the reasons, provided these tabloids are making up stories based on "family friends" if this is true (which I do not think so), I think Jackson should do well who their "friends." :D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: this1crazygirl on May 23, 2010, 01:28:45 PM
she can look mean sometimes...
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: loma on May 23, 2010, 02:09:45 PM
Quote from: "this1crazygirl"
she can look mean sometimes...
:lol: +1
if I saw her walking up to me one day, I'd probably pee myself.  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: tabloidburn on May 23, 2010, 02:16:51 PM
lordjesus...finally...there's a god out there somewhere...i almost thought she'll never leave!
about her 'knowledge': she discredited herself a long time ago already, so who cares what she has to spill?

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: Lady J on May 23, 2010, 02:38:51 PM
I think she´s with Mikey boy
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: Game Player on May 23, 2010, 06:28:38 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
whoa they picked a really horrible picture of her...sorry for sayin that but it is FACT or doe she also have vitiligo?

Tabloids always try to find pictures of people looking kinda rough. Notice how the majority of the time they will show pictures of us looking straight up Mikes nose? lol
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: mjboogie on May 23, 2010, 10:21:46 PM
I have always kinda thought Grace and MJ had a thing together! Geez 17 years is a long time to  live in the house with MJ , raise his kids, have some access to his finances ect....you get me? :?

Then maybe not I mean I also read somewhere that she was married? Or trying to get married? I dont know.

I mean I read somewhere that she use to sneak into bed with MJ like he would wake up and she would be in bed with him? and he would get mad and uncomfortable? Anybody know why she was fired before? :shock:  I dont know much dont bash me but honestly Grace is sorta like a mystery just like MJ? She has always been mysterious to me for some reason. Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: andy1andy2 on May 23, 2010, 10:55:22 PM
Why would Michael hire a nanny 17 years ago????????? :?   :?   :?   :?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: RK on May 23, 2010, 11:00:01 PM
She wasn't a nanny at the beginning. She filled another position.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: eviltwin on May 24, 2010, 12:42:55 AM
Just because she's going on a Safari doesn't mean she was fired! I think that story is BS.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: MJonmind on May 24, 2010, 01:33:32 AM
I thought I read somewhere that he sometimes referred to her as his wife, joking or not, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: hesouttamylife on May 24, 2010, 05:40:09 AM
/What ever happened to the doctor who claims MJ wanted her to have his baby?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: JustAnotherPartOfMe on May 24, 2010, 07:19:58 AM
Here is an article I came across, please take a look...

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-m ... 2430.story (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-mj-kids-evicted,0,6712430.story)

I found something interesting at the bottom:

Quote
Though the mother of Randy and Jermaine Jackson's children lives in the house, all of kids are primarily looked after by Grace Rwaramba, Michael Jackson's children's longtime nanny.

Another woman, identified by sources only as Sister Rose, an elderly member of the Nation of Islam, also lives in the home and works as a babysitter.

Does any of you know who is Sister Rose????
 :shock:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: michaelsupporter on May 24, 2010, 12:38:04 PM
Quote from: "JustAnotherPartOfMe"
Here is an article I came across, please take a look...

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-m ... 2430.story (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-mj-kids-evicted,0,6712430.story)

I found something interesting at the bottom:

Quote
Though the mother of Randy and Jermaine Jackson's children lives in the house, all of kids are primarily looked after by Grace Rwaramba, Michael Jackson's children's longtime nanny.

Another woman, identified by sources only as Sister Rose, an elderly member of the Nation of Islam, also lives in the home and works as a babysitter.

Does any of you know who is Sister Rose????
 :shock:


Yes, Sister Rose is the tutor to Prince, Paris and Blanket.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: MJonmind on May 25, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
It's interesting that this woman's name is Sister Rose, elsewhere it says she is a babysitter (not tutor). In an article I found Michael himself had a tutor with the same name. (my name too).

In one of our conversations together, my friend Rabbi Shmuley told me that he had asked some of his colleagues – writers, thinkers, and artists – to pen their reflections on the Sabbath. He then suggested that I write down my own thoughts on the subject, a project I found intriguing and timely due to the recent death of Rose Fine, a Jewish woman who was my beloved childhood tutor and who traveled with me and my brothers when we were all in the Jackson Five.

http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.co ... kson-dies/ (http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/the-music-stops-%E2%80%94ex-jehovahs-witness-michael-jackson-dies/)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on May 25, 2010, 04:33:30 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
It's interesting that this woman's name is Sister Rose, elsewhere it says she is a babysitter (not tutor). In an article I found Michael himself had a tutor with the same name. (my name too).

In one of our conversations together, my friend Rabbi Shmuley told me that he had asked some of his colleagues – writers, thinkers, and artists – to pen their reflections on the Sabbath. He then suggested that I write down my own thoughts on the subject, a project I found intriguing and timely due to the recent death of Rose Fine, a Jewish woman who was my beloved childhood tutor and who traveled with me and my brothers when we were all in the Jackson Five.

http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.co ... kson-dies/ (http://jehovahswitnessnews.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/the-music-stops-%E2%80%94ex-jehovahs-witness-michael-jackson-dies/)

The Rose
A 1979 movie starring Bette Midler
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079826/

Plot Summary for The Rose
Bette Midler plays "Rose", an artist strikingly similar to Janis Joplin. The film follows Rose's career during her last tour. Her rock and roll lifestyle of Drugs, Sex, and Rock and Roll and constant touring lead her to an inevitable breakdown.

Janis Lyn Joplin (January 19, 1943 – October 4, 1970) was an American singer, songwriter and music arranger. She rose to prominence in the late 1960s as the lead singer of Big Brother and the Holding Company and later as a solo artist. In 2004, Rolling Stone magazine ranked Joplin number 46 on its list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time, and number 28 on its 2008 list of 100 Greatest Singers of All Time.

The last recordings Joplin completed were "Mercedes Benz" and a birthday greeting for John Lennon ("Happy Trails", composed by Dale Evans) on October 1, 1970. Lennon, whose birthday was October 9, later told Dick Cavett that her taped greeting arrived at his home after her death.[citation needed] On Saturday, October 3, Joplin visited the Sunset Sound Studios in Los Angeles to listen to the instrumental track for Nick Gravenites' song "Buried Alive in the Blues" prior to recording the vocal track, scheduled for the next day. When she failed to show up at the studio by Sunday afternoon, producer Paul Rothchild became concerned. Full Tilt Boogie's road manager, John Cooke, drove to the Landmark Motor Hotel (since renamed the Highland Gardens Hotel) where Joplin had been a guest since August 24. He saw Joplin's psychedelically painted Porsche still in the parking lot. Upon entering her room, he found her dead on the floor. The official cause of death was an overdose of heroin, possibly combined with the effects of alcohol. Cooke believes that Joplin had accidentally been given heroin which was much more potent than normal, as several of her dealer's other customers also overdosed that week.

Joplin was cremated in the Pierce Brothers Westwood Village Mortuary in Los Angeles; her ashes were scattered from a plane into the Pacific Ocean and along Stinson Beach. The only funeral service was a private affair held at Pierce Brothers and attended by Joplin's parents and maternal aunt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janis_Joplin

Produced by
Anthony Ray.... executive producer (as Tony Ray)
Aaron Russo....    producer
Marvin Worth.... producer

Aaron Russo (February 14, 1943 - August 24, 2007) was an American  entertainment businessman, filmmaker, libertarian political activist, and a 9/11 truth activist. He was best-known for producing Trading Places, Wise Guys, and The Rose. Later in life he created the documentaries Mad as Hell, which calls into question the current state of governmental affairs and America: Freedom to Fascism, which investigates the breadth of the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), and the Federal Reserve System. After a six year battle with bladder cancer, Russo died on August 24, 2007

America: Freedom to Fascism (2006)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0772153/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0772153/)
Part 1 of 11
[youtube:1ak7oit8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsI4c3NzoW0&feature=related[/youtube:1ak7oit8]

FULL MOVIE ON GOOGLE: 111 minutes long...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 867390173# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#)

Original Music by
Paul A. Rothchild
Rothchild is best known as the producer of the first five albums by The Doors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_A._Rothchild

James Douglas "Jim" Morrison (December 8, 1943 – July 3, 1971) was an American singer, songwriter, poet, writer and filmmaker. He was best known as the lead singer and lyricist of The Doors and is widely considered to be one of the most charismatic frontmen  in rock music history. He was also the author of several books of poetry and the director of a documentary and short film. Although Morrison was known for his baritone vocals, many fans, scholars, and journalists have discussed his theatrical stage persona, his self-destructiveness, and his work as a poet. He was ranked number 47 on Rolling Stone's  "100 Greatest Singers of All Time".
Morrison died on July 3, 1971. In the official account of his death, he was found in a Paris apartment bathtub by Courson. Pursuant to French law, no autopsy  was performed because the medical examiner claimed to have found no evidence of foul play. The absence of an official autopsy has left many questions regarding Morrison's cause of death.

The city of PARIS is very significant. It is where Lady Diana was killed and many believe that there was a conspiracy to murder her too. Lady Diana has also been linked to the Goddess Diana and the Egyptian counterpart of this Goddess is Isis. The Goddess Diana is the Goddess of the MOON. There are many Egyptian Obelisks there, the rose line, it is named after the Goddess Isis, the Louvre has PYRAMIDS, it is in Dan Brown`s books, The Davinci Code, Angels & Demons, The Lost Symbol.

Lady Diana is also been called England`s Rose. A plaque of a Rose is present at her grave site on the ground.
Roses are used in the worship of the Goddess Isis.
The Red Rose is symbolic of the Blood of Christ, Martyrdom, The Passion and The Resurrection.
Red Roses were on the casket at the Memorial at the Staples Centre.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: White_Orchid on May 27, 2010, 10:56:40 PM
Edit: separate thread  

viewtopic.php?f=49&t=10254 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=10254)

 :D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on May 27, 2010, 11:00:26 PM
I thought the same coincidence regarding Sister Rose and MJ's former tutor, Rose.  Perhaps Sister Rose was inspired by Mrs. Doubtfire!!!   :D
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: White_Orchid on May 28, 2010, 12:24:29 AM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Quote from: "JustAnotherPartOfMe"
Here is an article I came across, please take a look...

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-m ... 2430.story (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-mj-kids-evicted,0,6712430.story)

I found something interesting at the bottom:

Quote
Though the mother of Randy and Jermaine Jackson's children lives in the house, all of kids are primarily looked after by Grace Rwaramba, Michael Jackson's children's longtime nanny.

Another woman, identified by sources only as Sister Rose, an elderly member of the Nation of Islam, also lives in the home and works as a babysitter.

Does any of you know who is Sister Rose????
 :shock:


Yes, Sister Rose is the tutor to Prince, Paris and Blanket.

Not to hijack this thread, I post a bio thread on Nanny Grace
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=10254 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=10254)

...afterwards, it hit me, the bio said that Grace has a sister 'Rose' living in the USA!

Many posters say Grace Rwaramba is muslim/NOI, so I wondered if the NOI 'Sister Rose' babysitting the J3 is actually Grace Rwaramba's sister 'Rose'????

 :shock: :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: 2good2btrue on June 09, 2010, 03:49:15 AM
Rwaramba had ties to the black militant organisation, the Nation of Islam, and its controversial leader, Louis Farrakhan, whom she enlisted for help in running Jackson’s affairs.
Before long, the Nation was supplying Jackson’s security detail and Farrakhan’s son-in-law, Leonard Muhammad, was appointed as Jackson’s business manager, though his role has lessened significantly in recent years.
In late 2008, a shadowy figure who called himself Dr Tohme Tohme suddenly emerged as Jackson’s ‘official spokesman’.
Tohme has been alternately described as a Saudi Arabian billionaire and an orthopaedic surgeon, but he is actually a Lebanese businessman who does not have a medical licence. At one point, Tohme claimed he was an ambassador at large for Senegal, but the Senegalese embassy said they had never heard of him.

Tohme’s own ties to the Nation of Islam came to light in March 2009, when New York auctioneer Darren Julien was conducting an auction of Michael Jackson memorabilia.
Julien filed an affidavit in Los Angeles Superior Court that month in which he described a meeting he had with Tohme’s business partner, James R. Weller. According to Julien’s account, ‘Weller said if we refused to postpone [the auction], we would be in danger from 'Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam; those people are very protective of Michael'.
He told us that Dr Tohme and Michael Jackson wanted to give the message to us that 'our lives are at stake and there will be bloodshed'.’
A month after these alleged threats, Tohme accompanied Jackson to a meeting at a Las Vegas hotel with Randy Phillips, chief executive of the AEG Group, to finalise plans for Jackson’s return to the concert stage.
Jackson’s handlers had twice before said no to Phillips. This time, with Tohme acting as his confidant, Jackson left the room agreeing to perform ten concerts at the O2.
Before long, however, ten concerts had turned into 50 and the potential revenues had skyrocketed. ‘The vultures who were pulling his strings somehow managed to put this concert extravaganza together behind his back, then presented it to him as a fait accompli,’ said one aide.
‘The money was just unbelievable and all his financial people were telling him he was facing bankruptcy. But Michael still resisted. He didn’t think he could pull it off.’
Eventually, they wore him down, the aide explained, but not with the money argument.
‘They told him that this would be the greatest comeback the world had ever known. That’s what convinced him.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0qLFSdMtY (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196009/Im-better-dead-Im-How-Michael-Jackson-predicted-death-months-ago.html#ixzz0qLFSdMtY)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: 2good2btrue on June 09, 2010, 04:36:44 AM
The Nation of Islam is a radical, racist hate group headed by the greatest of hater of all things good, Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Obama have a relationship that goes way back. Obama employed several Farrakhan followers in senior positions on his Illinois and U.S. Senate campaigns and office staffs. Obama’s relationship with Tony Rezko (who helped buy Obama's house and purchased the lot next to it for Obama) is linked to NOI as well. Rezko is a Syrian Arab who was in partnership with NOI founder Elijah Muhummad’s son, Jabir.
That the president would be deeply involved with groups that espouse this treasonous, ugly, violent hate is more frightening than anything else.

When he was a Senator, Barack Obama’s close ties with the Nation of Islam (NOI), headed by black racist and anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan were well documented.

Back in March 2008:

It’s one thing for Barack Obama to have a minister, friend, and sounding board who supports and admires Louis Farrakhan and whose church gave him an award.

It’s another thing for Obama to dissemble about it.

That’s what Obama did recently when he told Jewish leaders in Cleveland, “An award was given to Farrakhan for his work on behalf of ex-offenders, completely unrelated to his controversial statements.”

In fact, the award, named for Obama’s minister Jeremiah Wright Jr., was given for “lifetime achievement” and for Farrakhan’s “influence on the African-American community.”

Seems like there is a distinct association to the Nation of Islam and Michael final months...............in all these articles...
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... oot-1.html (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/12/cop-killer-celebrated-as-muslim-martyr-by-obama-connected-nation-of-islam-offshoot-1.html)
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: liegi on July 11, 2010, 04:50:28 AM
I just found this thread. I have always thought that the deaths of so many rock stars in the 1960s and 1970s were suspicious (Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, etc.).  And now they have been connected to Aaron Russo.   How interesting.  It seems as if someone wanted to get rid of subversive elements in society. I lived in the 1960s and 70s and they were nothing like today.  People were ready for a revolution then.  They hadn't had their brains addled by fast food and technological "innovations".  I think the "establishment", or the "man" as they were called in that day were afraid of these musicians and their producers.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: paula-c on July 11, 2010, 06:46:49 PM
Liegi,what he says is true, and more recently this Lenon, there are some phrases which I am sure not many people have liked, such as this;   If you take the power, we would have the task of cleaning of bourgeoisie and keep people in a revolutionary mental state.

Just look at the contents of that sentence, and there are other more, so we know how he died
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: liegi on July 12, 2010, 01:12:38 AM
Yes, definitely Lennon was assassinated. Far too subversive.  I find it strange he did not have bodyguards.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: msteetee34 on July 12, 2010, 02:25:11 AM
Quote from: "liegi"
Yes, definitely Lennon was assassinated. Far too subversive.  I find it strange he did not have bodyguards.

Yeah it was sad that Lennon was gun downed by some man that premeditated his murder.  The guy even waited around until the police show up I believe.  They said the guy wanted fame that killed Lennon.  I was watching famous crime scene about his death.  My mom met John Lennon back in the day at Coney Island in NY.  She said he was real nice to her and he gave her his autograph.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: liegi on July 12, 2010, 04:15:50 AM
That's so sad. Maybe he didn't really know how evil people were (are).
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: hesouttamylife on January 29, 2011, 06:46:35 PM
Did we ever discuss these conversations shortly after June 25th?
http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/gossip2.html

What nanny who worked for Michael Jackson saw

Grace Rwaramba who cared for King of Pop and his children has shocking secrets of his addictions and bizarre nomadic life

Daphne Barak
I was in the bar of a London hotel on Thursday night with a senior television executive when a figure in a jumpsuit ran in screaming: “Daphne, Daphne, Michael is . . . Michael is . . . dead!” My startled guest whispered: “Isn’t that the nanny — the wife?” The distraught woman was Grace Rwaramba, who worked for Michael Jackson for 17 years, starting in his office, then looking after his three children and sharing his ramshackle life after his sexual abuse trial — though never being his wife. Recently, he sacked her.


She was with me in London to talk openly about him for the first time before he began his concerts at the O2. Instead we were hit by the news of his sudden death.


Over the next 24 hours, Grace desperately attempted to contact the children — Paris, Prince and Blanket, who she says regard her as their mother — before flying back to Los Angeles to try to see them.


Caring for her in this distraught state, I had an extraordinary insight into how Jackson’s family and the Nation of Islam — Louis Farrakhan’s black Muslims — were moving swiftly into the vacuum left by his death.


Early on Friday, Jackson’s mother, Katherine, contacted Grace from his house. Shockingly, she wanted to know where his money was. Grace recounted: “Katherine just called me. She said, ‘Grace, the children are crying. They are asking about you. They can’t believe that their father died. Grace, you remember Michael used to hide cash at the house. I am here. Where can it be?’


“I told her to look at the garbage bags and under the carpets. But, Daphne, can you believe this? This woman just lost her son a few hours ago and she is calling me to know where the money is!


“I asked to speak to the children. She said they were sleeping. But she just said they were crying. She never let me speak to them. She said, ‘Grace, where are you? Come. I will pick you up from the airport.’ She sounded so strong. So strong!”


Within a few hours, all her dignity gone, Grace was on the phone again begging a “brother” from the Nation of Islam at the Jackson house to let her talk to Paris, Prince and Blanket. The answer was no.


Grace felt vulnerable. She expected to be contacted by the coroner as soon as she arrived home in LA, because she knows many of the secrets of the star’s desperate final years and had already confided them to me. She had unravelled his bizarre nomadic life running around the world — Bahrain, Ireland, Germany, New Jersey — with the three children but no cash flow.


She confided: “When Paris had her birthday this April, I wanted to buy balloons, things, to make a happy birthday. There was no money in the house. I had to put everything on my personal credit card. I brought people to clean the house. The room of the kids needed to be cleaned. But they weren’t paid.”


Revealed within her account of their love-hate relationship was Jackson’s everyday life as a father and drug addict. Grace told me of pumping out his stomach after he took too many drugs and of how dirty and unkempt he became towards the end. Her stories of his attitude to the children shocked me.


Here, thanks to her, is the real world of Michael Jackson behind the masks, the wigs, the make-up and the surgery.




Grace has long been the mystery woman in Jackson’s life as far as the media are concerned. Ugandan but with family connections to Rwanda, she went to America as a young woman and studied there. She also married an American from whom she is separated but not divorced. She is now in her forties.


I met her during Jackson’s trial in 2005, when I was filming television specials with his parents and she spoke loyally for him. A few weeks ago, she started to communicate with me from Los Angeles, saying that — not for the first time — he had sacked her. Her telephone conversations, text messages and e-mails sounded unhappy and


erratic, perhaps even suicidal, because she could not see the children.


“I took these babies in my arm on the first day of their life,” she insisted. “They are my babies.”


At one point she cried on the phone, saying: “Daphne, I don’t know what to do. He doesn’t let me see my babies. I have written to him. He doesn’t answer. I can’t call him because he changed his phone number. These poor babies . . . I am getting phone calls that they are being neglected. Nobody is cleaning the rooms, because he didn’t pay the housekeeper.


“I just got a phone call that Michael is in such a bad shape. He is not clean. He has not shaved . . . His nails . . . He is not eating well. I used to do all this for him.


“They are trying to lure me to go back. But each time it happened before, he got rid of me. Then he made promises if I would come back. All these promises . . . After few days, it was the same abuse all over again.”


She had moved into a place “next door” to Jackson’s home but was afraid of what would happen if “I bump into my babies”. She talked of getting away to Rwanda and was clearly desperate, so I invited her to stay with me.


And that is how eight days and sleepless nights started, listening to Grace unload about her life with Michael Jackson, her abuse by Michael Jackson, her anger with Michael Jackson, the problems with Michael Jackson’s family.


“I love my babies,” she told me. “I miss my babies. I used to hug them and laugh with them. But when Michael was around, they froze. He didn’t like me hugging them. But they needed love. I was the only mother they knew.”


She described Prince as “very smart” and said that Blanket, the youngest, “makes me laugh so much. One day before I was fired he decided to do a concert for me. He was so cute, singing to me Billie Jean and others of his father’s songs. I was laughing so hard. Prince and Paris were playing around. It was such a happy moment”.


“Then suddenly Michael walked in. He surprised us. Usually, the security would alert me that he was about to come. Blanket immediately stopped. The kids looked frightened. Michael was so angry. I knew I would be fired. Whenever the children got too attached to me, he would send me away.”


Grace said the children disliked the masks they had to wear in public. “It wasn’t my idea. I hated it as well. So whenever I had a chance, I misplaced the masks or forgot to pack them. Michael always got angry and asked, ‘How come we keep losing children’s masks?’ He didn’t notice that we were losing them only when I was around.”


Grace was a witness to Jackson’s abuse of prescription drugs. She said he took a mixture of them — in her words, “he always ate too little and mixed too much”.


“I had to pump his stomach many times . . . He always mixed so much of it. There was one period that it was so bad that I didn’t let the children see him.”


She claims he was furious with her for getting his mother and sister Janet to help. “We tried to do an intervention. It was me, Janet, his mother. I co-ordinated it. He was so angry with me.


“He screamed at me, ‘You betrayed my trust. You called them behind my back.’ I told him, ‘Michael I didn’t betray your trust. I try to help you.’ But he didn’t want to listen. That was one of the times he let me go.”


She fears that the family will now blame her for his drug-taking — just as, she says, he tried to make her the scapegoat for his overspending.


Her account of the money and hospitality he received after his trial from Sheikh Abdullah, the son of the King of Bahrain, reveals a man who had no understanding of of money.


“During the trial Jermaine (his older brother) suddenly connected him to Sheikh Abdullah. I was happy because he was so down. He was scared. Nobody else called. So Michael was spending hours on the phone with Abdullah. He is the one who is sending the money for the lawyers.”


Abdullah, she said, called her one day and asked for her bank account. “I said why? He said he was sending money to Michael through my account. He sent $1m. Then another $35,000.


“Katherine needed money too. So Michael told me to give her my ATM card. She was cashing out of the machine every day. I checked it.”


Last year, Abdullah sued Jackson in the London High Court for £4.7m for reneging on a music contract that would have paid back this and other loans. Grace told me: “When Abdullah sued Michael last year, Michael said in the beginning, ‘Oh, I never got money from him.’ He tried to frame me that I took the money.”


She said she pointed out to his mother that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) might find out. “I said, ‘You, Michael and I — we will all go to jail! You know that we didn’t report to the IRS about that gift.’ I told her I had all the documents. That worked. She immediately called Michael and he stopped denying he knew about the money.” Grace added: “When we lived in Bahrain, we had no money at all. Everything was paid by Abdullah, and Michael owed so much money to people.


“Suddenly — I can’t remember now how it came — he received some money. Instead of buying a small house, so that we won’t go from one hotel to another or stay with friends, he told me, ‘Grace, you have to go immediately to Florence to buy antiques.’ He wanted me to spend £1m.


“I flew on my credit card. When I arrived in Florence and saw these antiques, I called him and said, ‘This is not worth anything.’ Michael never listened to me. He said, ‘Buy it. Buy it.’ We didn’t even have a home to live in so we had to put the antiques in some storage.”


She revealed the full story of the Bahrain episode: “From the time we flew to Bahrain, we actually didn’t have a home. At the beginning they put us in the palace. The


idea was that Michael would create a charity and a CD with Abdullah.


“But when Michael failed to do it, I felt that the atmosphere changed. After several weeks, we were told that the uncle of Abdullah was coming back and needed to have his house.”


She said they flew to Oman, staying in a hotel at Abdullah’s expense.


“Then he wanted us back. He was still hoping that Michael would come through with his promises.”


Jackson demanded that the sheikh build him a house in a Bahrain and refused to believe there would not be one waiting for him. He was mistaken


and they were put in another hotel.


All the time, they had the three children in tow. Grace was getting tired of “running with them from hotel to hotel” so she accepted an invitation to take Jackson and the children to stay with friends of her own near Dun Laoghaire on the outskirts of Dublin in Ireland.


“They own a recording studio. They were so nice to us. They did a favour for me. Michael left them bills, he never paid them back.”


By then it was mid-2007. The entourage’s next stop was in New Jersey, the modest family home of Frank Tyson, a Jackson aide named as one of the five “co-conspirators” during the sex abuse trial.


Grace said: “Frank’s family is not rich. They have a small house. We stayed there for weeks. Michael stayed there downstairs alone.


“The kids slept with me in one room. I didn’t mind because I tried to make it fun for them. But I felt so bad that we were staying such a long time at this family’s small home.


“I tried to develop a friendship with Frank’s mother just to tell them thank you but when Michael saw we were getting friendly he said, ‘Don’t trust her. She is not interested in you. She just talks to you because of me.’


“It was just so exhausting to pack and unpack three kids from one hotel to another friend’s home, back and forth. And we were running out of friends.


“Michael had no idea about money. He got a proposal to make an appearance in Japan for $1m.


“I knew how many people were involved.


“I told him, ‘Michael, by the time everyone takes his cut you will end up with a very small amount.’ He didn’t want to hear. He flew to Japan. By the time everyone took their share, he ended up with $200,000.


“Then he got a second proposal to go to Japan. This time there was only $200,000 on the table. I refused to go.” Jackson went and then decided suddenly to fly to the birthday party of Prince Azim, the son of the Sultan of Brunei. By the time he had paid his huge hotel bill, “all the Japan money was gone”.


Back in California, Jackson rented a house from the Nation of Islam. According to Grace, he was grossly overcharged.


“The Nation of Islam was telling him that the house we had in Los Angeles, after Neverland was sold, cost $100,000 a month. I checked with many real estate agencies.


“To rent this house should not have cost more than $20,000-$25,000. He had no clue.”


Equally, he did not read his O2 contract before signing it and did not realise he had committed himself to 50 concerts. “Fifty performances! I told him, ‘What are you doing?’ He said, ‘I signed only for 10.’ He didn’t know what he was signing. He never does!”


My sense of shock increased when Grace showed me documents proving not only that Michael had not paid her salary and expenses since October 2008, but according to her, that he had not paid her medical insurance since she was with him and the children in Bahrain.


“Michael owes so much money to so many people. And why does he not pay them? Is it because he thinks of those working for him as an owner (would)? He always told me, ‘Grace, nobody cares about you. They only talked to you about me’.”


The point about the medical insurance is that Grace suffers from a life-threatening form of the auto-immune disease lupus. My doctor told me after examining her that it was chronic, adding: “I have never seen somebody with such a badly neglected condition.”


Grace believes the disease is caused by stress, but she said Michael refused to take it seriously. Once when she had been in hospital for chemotherapy he had accused her of abandoning him and the children, she said.


“To Michael, to go to a hospital was never about being ill. It was all about avoiding a court appearance or a performance or some other commitment he didn’t want to respect. You know, during the trial, the only peaceful place we could escape to and sleep was a hospital room. We used to go to the hospital and relax.”




As Grace worked through her phone calls to LA on Friday, desperately trying to ensure that the children were comforted after losing their father, she sobbed and screamed and became more incoherent.


“Yes, this is it . . . because (crying) this is it . . . because he started avoiding everything. We were trying to help him and they fired me because of this (sobs).”


Her next target was a woman from the Nation of Islam whom Jermaine Jackson had brought into the house to look after the children in Michael’s final weeks.


“Yes I am really distraught (sobs). Oh my God, the kids. Who has got the kids? He’s allowed this woman from the Nation of Islam . . . he has this woman . . . but she’s so cold and she is cold and doesn’t know how to hold them or how to hug them.”


Grace said the children had been anxious about their father and had been trying to care for him — “he hasn’t been eating and the kids have been so scared for him”.


Worried by the endless goings on in the Jackson compound Grace turned to me at the end and said: “The youngest one has been saying, ‘God should have taken

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Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: hesouttamylife on January 29, 2011, 06:50:28 PM
:? So they both had lupus????  Never knew that before.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on January 29, 2011, 07:54:21 PM
I remember reading this before, but I can't remember if it was discussed.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: paula-c on January 30, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
I do not know,.. but I have the impression that all this interview is a lot of garbage :roll:
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: hesouttamylife on January 30, 2011, 07:32:17 PM
I remember seeing bits and pieces, but not all of it.  She sounds like a woman scorned.  I just never heard that she had lupus before.  And she makes Michael out to be a selfish brat which I’ve never heard anyone else say about him.  I thought LaToya was the one looking for Michael’s money.  Now she’s saying it was Katherine.  WHO IS IT? So many conflicting stories on everything about this case.  It’a like a jigsaw puzzle that’s got several  pieces missing or mislaid.  I’m baffled by the sheer magnitude of it.  This is going to be an interesting trial to say the least.  The burden of proof in trying to decipher who’s telling the truth is going to be tough.  So many lies. So many liars.
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: suspicious mind on January 30, 2011, 08:20:59 PM
so where is she now?
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: MJonmind on January 31, 2011, 03:56:36 AM
I remember seeing an interview with Grace and Daphne. I think there could be more short parts to it.
[youtube:3k2dzvaj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H63BO-V9Dpk&feature=related[/youtube:3k2dzvaj]
[youtube:3k2dzvaj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpIEOVqqtqQ&NR=1[/youtube:3k2dzvaj]
If you read the comments underneath, it seems she might have been a manipulator, controller, and possible thief. So why not add lying to the list. But I have no way of knowing for sure. What about the story of Paris fighting with her, and Katherine firing her? I just know Grace's slant doesn't seem to add up to other stories I hear from other people about Michael. She paints herself as an angel. Again, this hoax is like a game of bluff, who's lying and who's telling the truth, and who's cleverly mixing the two. :?  :?
Pics of MJ and Grace.
[youtube:3k2dzvaj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnXLlrC2Ky4[/youtube:3k2dzvaj]
Title: Re: Michael Jackson's nanny Grace Rwaramba sacked
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on January 31, 2011, 05:21:29 AM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
I remember seeing an interview with Grace and Daphne. I think there could be more short parts to it.
[youtube:1ktduzih]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H63BO-V9Dpk&feature=related[/youtube:1ktduzih]
[youtube:1ktduzih]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpIEOVqqtqQ&NR=1[/youtube:1ktduzih]
If you read the comments underneath, it seems she might have been a manipulator, controller, and possible thief. So why not add lying to the list. But I have no way of knowing for sure. What about the story of Paris fighting with her, and Katherine firing her? I just know Grace's slant doesn't seem to add up to other stories I hear from other people about Michael. She paints herself as an angel. Again, this hoax is like a game of bluff, who's lying and who's telling the truth, and who's cleverly mixing the two. :?  :?
Pics of MJ and Grace.
[youtube:1ktduzih]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnXLlrC2Ky4[/youtube:1ktduzih]


 :shock:  :shock:  How weird, was watching the videos which you placed with your post watched the first one clicked on the second one and all three disappeared and left just an  :!:  where the video had been  how weird is that :shock:  :shock:  :?
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