Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Persons Of Interest => Everyone Else => Karen Faye => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on May 30, 2010, 09:48:43 PM

Title: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: DancingTheDream on May 30, 2010, 09:48:43 PM
Check this out.  Someone has blogged all of Karen Fayes posts from Facebook and these are her early ones in 2009.

They make very uncomfortable reading:


do you have any information whether Michael originally wanted to collaborate with Anthony and Richmond Talauega for TII

Karen Faye Kissinger
I do not have any details about this. I did ask back in April...Travis told me they were already contracted to another project.
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Todo Estilo Rakel Heppe
Karen, about "nanny" Grace and her power over Michael and Michael's mother. Did she and Michael had anytime a close relationship...they were travelling together, with the kids... was she a "kind" of wife for Michael at anytime? Thanks

Karen Faye
I think only Michael could answer that...I never saw any evidence of anything but Grace controlling and interfering, and acting very jealous when I was around.
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Georgina Bergin
Karen do you know Rushka Bergman the stylist that spent time with Michael
http://www.style.it/cont/people-show/ne ... ntiche.asp (http://www.style.it/cont/people-show/news/0906/3001/michael-jackson-non-ti-dimentiche.asp)

Karen Faye Kissinger
I do not know her. she is not a designer or makes clothes. she is what you call a "stylist". she buys clothes and brings them for celebrities to purchase.
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Here are Karens comments to to Joanna:

Karen Faye Kissinger
The first time I ever saw Joanna was in NY during the record signing of Invincible. She pushed her way to him. She was very pretty. She then kept showing up with the other fans. Michael let her and some other fans into Neverland. Yes, she was using her "looks" to get closer to MJ. As close as she got was sleeping with Tyson, and asking for money, which Michael found out about. She was forbidden to be let into Neverland ever again. It was a rule to NOT get "involved" (have sex) with Michael's fans. Chris Carter was caught doing this, as well as Sam Emerson.
 
Karen Faye Kissinger
Joanna went back to France to become a model and start a rumor about her and Michael...sound familiar?

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Linda Bowen
Hi Karen. I've got a question for you.

According to an article in the Daily Mail, Latoya said ‘He (Michael) had just been to England on a cleanse and he was drinking juices and being pure. He had cleaned everything out of his system ready to do the concerts in London."
Do you know if this true?
When did he go to...... the UK on his "cleanse"? If Latoya is right and he did go, and went for that reason, was it with the full knowledge of AEG or even a condition of the agreement that he went?
And lastly, if he did go on his "cleanse" who paid for it?

Karen Faye Kissinger
If this happened, it was before Michael asked me to do the 02 shows.
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Lisa Papania
Has anyone seen the full version of The way you make me feel? I have just now seen it for the first time and I have to say, Michael looks cute sitting on the step with the old guy

Karen Faye Kissinger
I worked on it...does that count?
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Dre Meti
Karen, everyone here hates Dr. Murray...I do as well, of course, but I am more upset at Dr. Neil Ratner, who apparently followed Michael during the History Tour and gave him Propofol at night. Did you know him, did you know what he was doing ? I believe that idiot gave Michael the false impression Propofol was ok, leading to the tragedy, yet nothing will ever happen to him.

Karen Faye Kissinger
I was fired the last leg of the History Tour...Tarak fired me because I told him to go F*** himself. He was not paying me, and told me I could work with Michael, but I was never allowed to talk to him....

Karen Faye Kissinger
he then told Michael I was demanding a lot of money, and if I didn't get it I was refusing to work for him.

Karen Faye Kissinger
Tarak had his hand on all of Michael's financing. I was totally cut off from all contact.

Karen Faye Kissinger
I was not witness to what Ratner was doing...but I know Ratner. He was Michael's anesthesiologist during some procedures. Michael would ask me to be present during some of his operations.
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Sabrina Lixon
Karen,do you know when his addiction started?? Maybe in 1993 with the first allegations or before that with the pepsi accident???

Karen Faye Kissinger
my first observations were on the filming of the Addam's Family video. His schedule was grueling, also going on tour. He was recovering from an attempt to correct the damage from the burn (not the burn itself). The pain of the healing nerve endings in his scalp was painful. He was administered pain killer to keep him performing. Then the child allegation began, so the pain killers also numbed his emotional pain. He became addicted.

Karen Faye Kissinger
Debbie Rowe wanted to teach me how to inject him, but I refused.

Karen Faye Kissinger
In my opinion, because of Debbie Rowe's involvement, it is probably safe to say the drugs came through Klein.

Karen Faye Kissinger
DR was obsessed with the idea of "having Michael".
I refused to learn to administer the drugs, because it is NOT my place to do so. He needed qualified HELP. It is my opinion, it was more important to keep "the money train" going, than to do the right thing and let Michael heal properly. DR administering the drugs, was a way she could get his attention, and stay close to him? Is obsession sinister? Is wanting to be in Michael's company, sinister? Why do you think she offered to give him children? To be connected to him forever.

Karen Faye Kissinger
Debbie was not a licensed nurse.

Karen Faye Kissinger
The divorce arrangements were a part of the marriage agreement.

Karen Faye Kissinger
Debbie just wanted Michael. She thought he would fall in love with her. This broke her heart. This is why you see such unusual and mixed behavior from her.
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Dre Meti
Karen, I noticed that you confirmed Michael was overmedicated during the Madison Square Garden performance. Did it have anything to do with his upper lip ? He was hiding it while performing...it was painful to watch. Who did that to him, and why ?

Karen Faye Kissinger
I think it is important to express our views. Bongani has not called me a liar. When it comes right down to it, we must take responsibility for our actions. Michael is ultimately responsible for all the decisions and people he placed in his life. My question is that when you are dependent on drugs...it makes it difficult to make clear decisions .for yourself. It is the drugs that are talking. Michael tried to make the right decisions, but the pain of his existence always drew him back to his only escape.

Karen Faye Kissinger
And when he was weak...there was always a willing participant to give him the drugs, and reasons to keep him on them, just enough to get their money out of him. It is just a very sad sad story.

Karen Faye Kissinger
He was a delicate, sensitive being...that was constantly hurt by society.

Karen Faye Kissinger
he just wasn't strong enough to withstand all the pain.
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Anya Marie
Am I missing something here? I thought I was entering Karen's FB page, you know the place where we support one another, sharing our love for Mr. Michael Jackson...hmmm, must be the wrong place because I am seeing entirely too many tabloid trash links with questions attached asking if this info is true or not! Wh......y are you reading this smut, and more importantly why are you promoting these sites by encouraging readers to click on the links? Helloooooo, have you heard anything Mike has been saying since the 80's???

Karen Faye Kissinger
it's interesting though...some of the trash prints little bits of truth that mainstream media don't dare mention. Many people believe all that they read. This place can be an educating tool, so don't be too quick to dismiss it all with a big brush.
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Martina Ziegener
Terry Harvey? What about him?
Should we believe in his story?
http://trak.in/news/drugged-exhausted-m ... als/19231/ (http://trak.in/news/drugged-exhausted-mj-could-barely-walk-during-this-is-it-rehearsals/19231/)

Karen Faye Kissinger
Well, this is an example how the truth is used as a tabloid knife in Michael's back. Yes a golf cart at Staples, because it was a very long walk to the cars, and Michael would have to walk by hundreds of technicians before arriving at his car. Everyone would want to stop him and want to talk.
he was exhausted...he didn't sleep. His emotional pain and stress kept him undernourished and emotionally distraught. He was taking drugs and using anesthesia to be able to meet the demands and threats that were burdening him.
It was clear to see he was unable to fulfill his obligations. Yes, you could see the residual effects of the drugs. He was insecure, weak, and unreliable to show up for rehearsals. Michael was good at putting on a his game face once he was on stage. (which is the majority of the movie footage). Remember the anniversary show in Madison Square Garden? He was over medicated for that performance. I went to his room to get him ready, and a doctor met me at his door and told me, Michael needed to sleep for 8 hours. I said "WHAT!!!! He has to be on stage in 2 hours". I pushed the doctor out of the way, and found Michael knocked out. I forced gatorade and bagels down him, as I worked and he kept nodding out. When it got closer to having to leave, I started walking him around. I was praying he would come too by the time he had to go on stage...because it would be a complete disaster for thousands of people if he didn't make it. Look at his photos when he was sitting in the audience....but when he got on stage!!!!! he pulled it together. Just like the rehearsal footage.

Karen Faye Kissinger
I have stated this time after time...There were many interventions by his family and even Elizabeth once. He was in denial. He never admitted it to himself!!!!! There were many attempt to help, but there were always another enabler waiting to supply him.

Karen Faye Kissinger
When I was scrapping him off the ground in NY...he explained to me....
"the doctor gave me too much."

Karen Faye Kissinger
Janet even had a private plane waiting once in Las Vegas to take him into rehab. After hours of intervention, he would not go.

Karen Faye Kissinger
Jermaine once warned Michael his family was on their way for an intervention...and drove Michael out of Neverland.

Karen Faye Kissinger
I even went into rehab with him outside of London...when I left, he snuck out.
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Robyne Seigworth
Debbie and others, this is a "must read" article. I remember reading this right after MJ passed away. I wanted to share it.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... html?cat=2 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1901538/interviewing_michael_jackson_my_3_hours.html?cat=2)

Karen Faye Kissinger
unfortunately this is bogus...nice but bogus
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Sandra Benner
Hey Karen, yesterday you said that you talked to Latoya and that there
are concerns that "the children are getting poorly influenced". Would you please explain what that phrase means, and who is the main influence and in what direction is this influence?
Thank you, we are so feeling with the babies...
Karen Faye Kissinger
Grace, Alejandra, Jermaine, Halima, and Jermaine's children.
Karen Faye Kissinger
they are running wild, swearing, watching anything they want on TV...no discipline...Michael would be livid! Voodoo....
Karen Faye Kissinger
very scary...and sad.
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Karen Faye Kissinger
LaToya says she is very uncomfortable going over to the house, because Grace sneaks around, follows her and listens to every conversation
Karen Faye Kissinger
But Katherine will not get rid of her, despite the rest of the families objection...they do not understand their mothers actions.

http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chansiuming3 ... ction=next (http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chansiuming3333/article?mid=266&fid=-1&action=next)
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: ER911 on May 30, 2010, 11:24:08 PM
Interesting. I've always stated that I personally believe that MJ was addicted to drugs within his active career. As to whether or not he continued, only he would know.

Still, KF is contradicting herself. She obviously is against individuals whom used MJ for a money machine & of course against providing him with drugs. Indeed both acts go hand in hand.

KF then proceeds to admit that she, herself, finds MJ "knocked out". The doctor, according to her statement, alerts KF that MJ must sleep 8 hrs.

KF then proceeds to give MJ gatorade & bagels in order to get him on stage within 2 hrs so that he can perform. LOLOL

I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous! I don't care how many fans are waiting for a performance! Did she or does she even realize now that she herself did the exact same thing to MJ that the others did?

Obviously these are her statements & we will never know if they are true or false, but if they are true, then KF is as guilty as the rest whom would do anything to get MJ on stage.

Shame on her.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: simalves on May 31, 2010, 12:15:23 AM
This makes me think 25th June did happen, but somehow they revived him and he is in rehab.

This also makes me realize then that the hoax and the clues have been put together by his team including Kenny, Travis, his brothers, sisters, etc.

They probably have looked at all his past signatures, his clothes and all his interests and decided to put the hoax together from there. They have tried to make it as interesting as ever and they have been able to.

Maybe they expected Michael to make a comeback after he recovered, but if we all know Michael there will be delays and hopefully they will convince him to be back this June.

This also means that Murray is to blame but he smug bug that he is probably doubts Michael actually died and hence he is going to Forest Lawn to check if there is actually a tomb there.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: reasonables+luvs+MJ on May 31, 2010, 12:26:01 AM
Quote from: "simalves"
This makes me think 25th June did happen, but somehow they revived him and he is in rehab.

This also makes me realize then that the hoax and the clues have been put together by his team including Kenny, Travis, his brothers, sisters, etc.

They probably have looked at all his past signatures, his clothes and all his interests and decided to put the hoax together from there. They have tried to make it as interesting as ever and they have been able to.

Maybe they expected Michael to make a comeback after he recovered, but if we all know Michael there will be delays and hopefully they will convince him to be back this June.

This also means that Murray is to blame but he smug bug that he is probably doubts Michael actually died and hence he is going to Forest Lawn to check if there is actually a tomb there.
OMG, I was thinking the same exact stuff back in December. Every little detail... :idea:  :D
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: msteetee34 on May 31, 2010, 01:31:38 AM
If this stuff were true why would this chic be exposing his business like that?  That is trifling.  If this lady is really legit.  She said she got fired yeah probably because she got a big mouth.  Talking about Grace was jealous of her.  It was probably the other way around.  She probably was jealous of Grace.  Grace probably put her in her place because it look like MJ put alot of trust in Grace at one point with his children.  He has been photographed with Grace alone out in public too.  She just make MJ sound like a pathetic drug addict from the way she describes things.  She sound so shady to me.  Another phony person acting like they love him so much.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Doctor Death on May 31, 2010, 01:52:42 AM
This is as confusing as confusing can be.

On one hand, we have TS and the lot of clues and blatant slip-ups from family members.

On the other hand, we have this lady and a few others chanting the same thigns over and over again.

If we are to have any unity in this hoax, we need to have one solid theory.....By saying that I mean that whenever we are on to something, out comes some randm statements that make us doubt our own theories....Simply because, these are allegedly from people who were "close" to him and therefore have to have a certain degree of "authenticity".

I really dont get it....What is the truth about Michael Jackson?
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: reasonables+luvs+MJ on May 31, 2010, 01:56:51 AM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
This is as confusing as confusing can be.

On one hand, we have TS and the lot of clues and blatant slip-ups from family members.

On the other hand, we have this lady and a few others chanting the same thigns over and over again.

If we are to have any unity in this hoax, we need to have one solid theory.....By saying that I mean that whenever we are on to something, out comes some randm statements that make us doubt our own theories....Simply because, these are allegedly from people who were "close" to him and therefore have to have a certain degree of "authenticity".

I really dont get it....What is the truth about Michael Jackson?
I think he'll tell us when he returns. ;)  :D
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Good Lets Dance on May 31, 2010, 02:25:37 AM
Quote from: "msteetee34"
If this stuff were true why would this chic be exposing his business like that?  That is trifling.  If this lady is really legit.  She said she got fired yeah probably because she got a big mouth.  Talking about Grace was jealous of her.  It was probably the other way around.  She probably was jealous of Grace.  Grace probably put her in her place because it look like MJ put alot of trust in Grace at one point with his children.  He has been photographed with Grace alone out in public too.  She just make MJ sound like a pathetic drug addict from the way she describes things.  She sound so shady to me.  Another phony person acting like they love him so much.

I tend to agree with you, I read where Grace & MJ had become "involved" and it was an Open Secret with the staff, and I read where she (Grace) genuinely tried to help keep his spending under control and untangle his finances, keep his bills paid, etc. I read where K.F. was possessive of MJ when other women were around. Tatiana T. even complained that Karen acted hostile to her when she was involved with MJ. IF karen was fired "during the last leg of the History Tour" was she recently re-hired for TII? If not, how would she be privy to anything in the recent past? (Perhaps she is on the payroll of AEG to discredit MJ in regards to drug use?) Even LMP had friction with Karen! If all the women in MJ's life had compaints about K.F's. attitude - then I would be suspect of anything she says. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Michaelangela on May 31, 2010, 02:28:42 AM
Just my feeling. Her descriptions make me think she hated everyone around MJ (not family), she was totally in love with him.

These things are very private and I can't believe she is writing about all of that. I am trying to think what I would do if in her shoes.

....she tried to put him together for Sq.Gard. performance so fans wouldn't be dissappointed  :shock:  she is contradicting herself......

I don't know what to think? She hates Debbie, Grace, Joanna...I wonder what she thinks about LMP?
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: foreverking on May 31, 2010, 02:32:12 AM
KF is full of s***.  She wasn't around MJ for years, after HE fired her, not someone else. She makes me ill. Drawing this picture of a man who was so weak and victimized. It seems every woman around him was bad for him except for her. She needs to go and get some help.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: *Mo* on May 31, 2010, 03:00:54 AM
Quote from: "foreverking"
KF is full of s***.  She wasn't around MJ for years, after HE fired her, not someone else. She makes me ill. Drawing this picture of a man who was so weak and victimized. It seems every woman around him was bad for him except for her. She needs to go and get some help.

Who says Mike fired Karen Faye..?  That "fact" is based on hear say and rumors only, it's not a fact at all.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: farhatmjj on May 31, 2010, 03:05:43 AM
yeah, first i was too getting into what she's saying... like every woman around Michael was bad unfortunately. but then i realized it can be the other way around. i don't know what to think anymore. about debbie row, yes i too think she loved him but what's wrong in that? i don't know what to think of grace.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: sweet1 on May 31, 2010, 06:00:40 AM
In my honest opinion I just don't know what to make of this quite frankly. Michael had lots of ppl in his life at all times. Some were genuine, some not, some so so. He knew who was there for him and who wasn't. Now, I am sure during the times that he was on prescription drugs heavily his state of mind may have been cloudy. I am sure that is why there were so many firings and rehirings going on in different periods. KF should have undoubtedly left some information privy and off limits for conversation. I just don't see what she has to gain by derailing Michael and his family?  What could her alterior motive possibly be? Keep the Faith!
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Disco on May 31, 2010, 07:26:49 AM
This is a great find, Faye has been going on & on about Michael's private life since day one & she thought she had the right to post photos of the crypt on her facebook which then appeared on TMZ, Brian Oxman is now been bashed by the fans for speaking about Michael's "Drug" addiction.....
Karen's turn should be coming soon.......... 8-)
She claims she is going to be a witness in the courtcase  :?
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: MissG on May 31, 2010, 07:41:19 AM
I find Karen Faye honest about what she says. It is her perception of the events what she is expressing and she is not the only one confirming that MJ was knocked out by meds/ drugs more than once, drugs administered by licensed Medical Doctors.

It is plausible that MJ could have had an overdose, but not during June, may be weeks or months before, and this is the way to demask the negligence of Doctors administering drugs just for money.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Disco on May 31, 2010, 07:56:07 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
I find Karen Faye honest about what she says. It is her perception of the events what she is expressing and she is not the only one confirming that MJ was knocked out by meds/ drugs more than once, drugs administered by licensed Medical Doctors.

It is plausible that MJ could have had an overdose, but not during June, may be weeks or months before, and this is the way to demask the negligence of Doctors administering drugs just for money.


Gema, Can I ask you if you think Faye is honest then do you believe that she did Michael's make-up in the casket????
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: hesouttamylife on May 31, 2010, 08:11:15 AM
Many of Michael's fans don't like Karen Faye because it is felt that she exposed too much about Michael's personal life.  I wish she had exposed it sooner, maybe then he could or would have gotten the help he needed sooner.  Many times we complain that people used him, but when we hear it from someone who probably knows a lot more than we do because they were a part of his personal circle at some point, we get angry and don't want to hear it.  I personally have always believed Karen Faye's account of Michael and the pain meds.  I don't see why she would have any reason to lie about it. I can remember even seeing some vids of MJ where he looked a bit out of it. Don't know, just my observation.  I do believe Michael was afraid for his life and that he probably had anxiety disorders and didn't know what to do, where to go, or who to trust.  It could be possible that he feared going to London because he seriously had been threatened and his anxiety as the date drew near caused him to suffer some serious medical and/or psychological episode, from which I pray he is recovering.  I cannot dismiss what Karen Faye states.  I would assume that there has been a few ups and downs with Michael because she had been with him for years.  He is human after all and I've heard can be quite stubborn when he wants to be.  However, I believe that he trusted her and she did care about him.  We can't dismiss every account of what we hear that doesn't shine a bright light on Michael.  If we sincerely want the best for him, we've got to accept the good and the bad.  He was human.  He was different.  And he admitted himself that he had used at one time and became addicted.  As with anyone else addicted to any substance, it can recur.  With the money grubbing dogs Michael had in his stable, it would not surprise me at all if his doctors purposely re-addicted him for their monetary gain in their attempts to have some power over him and get their filthy hands on as much of his money as they could.  Sad but true that his money was worth more to them than his life.  I believe that Michael suffered a breakdown.  There is no shame in that.  I only hope that he has had enough time and distance from the trash he was enabling himself with, to get his health, his finances, his priorities, his life back in order. The story she tells about the model is old news.   And Nanny Grace... well let me just say, don't be fooled by the cover.  I think there are some ties there that need to be investigated further.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: hesouttamylife on May 31, 2010, 08:27:06 AM
I would kill to get into her head and find out what she thinks about Bashir since she was there touching up Michael's hair and makeup during the time Bashir was doing his interviewing.  I would love to know if she got any clues of what Bashir's real motives were anytime before the interviews concluded.  And more importantly, if she was an active participant in deluding any of the info that was revealed.  Though I believe she was loyal to Michael early on, I don't know if that might have faltered somewhere along the way.  Anyone got a clue?
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: MissG on May 31, 2010, 08:28:59 AM
@Disco.
Non of the messages I´ve read tells about that  :?  I find her honest when she opens up about her perception of other people plus how she saw Michael when being medicated.

I guess that you read somewhere that she mentioned doing MJ´s funeral make up?
About that, I have no opinion. I haven´t seen Michael in he coffin but I have seen him in videos where he looks on meds.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: DancingTheDream on May 31, 2010, 09:04:53 AM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "foreverking"
KF is full of s***.  She wasn't around MJ for years, after HE fired her, not someone else. She makes me ill. Drawing this picture of a man who was so weak and victimized. It seems every woman around him was bad for him except for her. She needs to go and get some help.

Who says Mike fired Karen Faye..?  That "fact" is based on hear say and rumors only, it's not a fact at all.

IN KF posts she says someone called "Tarik" fired her..  but then contradicts herself on the level of her friendship as says she was told she could work for MJ but not talk to him.  Im pretty sure, MJ would decide who he could talk to.  Im sure it was him not wanting to talk to her.

Im interested when she says she was present for some of MJs operations.. what is she talking about?

But she paints the picture of MJ being a drug addict and a weak one.. this will go in the defence of Dr Murray.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Disco on May 31, 2010, 09:09:28 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
@Disco.
Non of the messages I´ve read tells about that  :?  I find her honest when she opens up about her perception of other people plus how she saw Michael when being medicated.

I guess that you read somewhere that she mentioned doing MJ´s funeral make up?
About that, I have no opinion. I haven´t seen Michael in he coffin but I have seen him in videos where he looks on meds.


We have a full topic on here about K.F claiming to have done Michael's make-up.  ;)
I'm not doubting Michael been medicated, I am concerned of Faye's contradictions on her F.B  before Michael "Died"
Do we believe what she said then or do we believe what she says now????
If we are to believe what she says now then I would say she was as much a part of the cover-up of Michael's addiction as those people she herself blames!  :roll:
No matter how much I have tried to understand this woman I only see a jealous obsessive woman that seems to have an opinion on ALL the women in Michael's life.
As she claims to have known Michael so well I do not think Michael would like her discussing his drug addiction with his fans  :cry:
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Disco on May 31, 2010, 09:13:36 AM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "foreverking"
KF is full of s***.  She wasn't around MJ for years, after HE fired her, not someone else. She makes me ill. Drawing this picture of a man who was so weak and victimized. It seems every woman around him was bad for him except for her. She needs to go and get some help.

Who says Mike fired Karen Faye..?  That "fact" is based on hear say and rumors only, it's not a fact at all.

IN KF posts she says someone called "Tarik" fired her..  but then contradicts herself on the level of her friendship as says she was told she could work for MJ but not talk to him.  Im pretty sure, MJ would decide who he could talk to.  Im sure it was him not wanting to talk to her.

Im interested when she says she was present for some of MJs operations.. what is she talking about?

But she paints the picture of MJ being a drug addict and a weak one.. this will go in the defence of Dr Murray.

THANK YOU!!!  ;)  This is my point with Faye, she is Murray's dream witness!!!   :evil:
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: MissG on May 31, 2010, 09:48:03 AM
Quote from: "Disco"
Quote from: "Gema"
@Disco.
Non of the messages I´ve read tells about that  :?  I find her honest when she opens up about her perception of other people plus how she saw Michael when being medicated.

I guess that you read somewhere that she mentioned doing MJ´s funeral make up?
About that, I have no opinion. I haven´t seen Michael in he coffin but I have seen him in videos where he looks on meds.


We have a full topic on here about K.F claiming to have done Michael's make-up.  ;)
I'm not doubting Michael been medicated, I am concerned of Faye's contradictions on her F.B  before Michael "Died"
Do we believe what she said then or do we believe what she says now????
If we are to believe what she says now then I would say she was as much a part of the cover-up of Michael's addiction as those people she herself blames!  :roll:
No matter how much I have tried to understand this woman I only see a jealous obsessive woman that seems to have an opinion on ALL the women in Michael's life.
As she claims to have known Michael so well I do not think Michael would like her discussing his drug addiction with his fans  :cry:

IMO, one must believe what can be credible according to ones common sense.
When I say someone is honest with their feelings, I don´t necessarely say that their perception is the truth, just that, they are honest when they talk and I think Karen, at this point concerning MJ´s adiction and home surroundings, is being honest.

We can´t know if is the truth.

Also, I have no idea about what MJ would like his friends to talk about or not.

His brother is promoting hats in twitter and "taking over his fans and followers"....would he like that?  ;)
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: alovesmichael on May 31, 2010, 12:20:56 PM
This made me sad although it might not all be the whole truth  :( . Why would she lie about finding Michael knocked out? Noone can deny that Michael looked a bit out of it around that time even though his performances were beautiful (as always) becasue that's what the world's greatest entertainer does. What concerns me even more is that it was even before the trial  :? .  KF might be twisting the stories a bit for them to be in favour of her but that doesn't necessarily make them untrue. Someone above posted that she acted the same as everyone else when she fed him to get him on that stage, in my opinion she tried to help him. Imagine the further ridicule if he hadn't gone on stage... People/media were already complaining about the ticket prices. Why couldn't there have been at least one person that really cared about Michael to help him and if there was, why did you push them away Michael (if and only if you did)?  :cry:

As for why she's telling everyone about Michael's personal life? Because she knows or believes he's dead and she wants people to see the human behind the legend and the reasons to his emotional pain. Did anyone of us ever hear KF speak about Michael's personal business before June 25th (except when defending him e.g. talking about his vitiligo)? I pray she doesn't KNOW he's dead and just believes he is.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Bee Bee on May 31, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Are you all reading Pseudocide? Pearl Jr. writes about Karen making comments about Michael's parents teaching him not to like his own race and stuff. I e-mailed Pearl about it and she told me she saw the e-mail that Karen sent to a friend and that she said other negative things as well. I'll ask her some more about it. I don't know what to believe.  :?

It would be cool if somebody who has a Twitter could show those excerpts to Karen and see what she has to say.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Disco on May 31, 2010, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: "Bee Bee"
Are you all reading Pseudocide? Pearl Jr. writes about Karen making comments about Michael's parents teaching him not to like his own race and stuff. I e-mailed Pearl about it and she told me she saw the e-mail that Karen sent to a friend and that she said other negative things as well. I'll ask her some more about it. I don't know what to believe.  :?

It would be cool if somebody who has a Twitter could show those excerpts to Karen and see what she has to say.

If you question Faye or her purpose you are blocked from both her FB & twitter  8-)
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Bee Bee on May 31, 2010, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: "Disco"
Quote from: "Bee Bee"
Are you all reading Pseudocide? Pearl Jr. writes about Karen making comments about Michael's parents teaching him not to like his own race and stuff. I e-mailed Pearl about it and she told me she saw the e-mail that Karen sent to a friend and that she said other negative things as well. I'll ask her some more about it. I don't know what to believe.  :?

It would be cool if somebody who has a Twitter could show those excerpts to Karen and see what she has to say.

If you question Faye or her purpose you are blocked from both her FB & twitter  8-)

Well, that's basically what Pearl wrote, too.  :?

Maybe somebody dares to try?
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: CC on May 31, 2010, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
IN KF posts she says someone called "Tarik" fired her..  but then contradicts herself on the level of her friendship as says she was told she could work for MJ but not talk to him.  Im pretty sure, MJ would decide who he could talk to.  Im sure it was him not wanting to talk to her.
Im interested when she says she was present for some of MJs operations.. what is she talking about?
But she paints the picture of MJ being a drug addict and a weak one.. this will go in the defence of Dr Murray.

maybe someone told her not talk to him, because was not HIM... and if she talks to him, who was not HIM (LOL), she would note that him was not HIM... :mrgreen:
maybe she went to some operations for the double to look like HIM! :lol:
if she will go in defence of CM this have to be a HOAX, not doubt! ;)
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: paula-c on May 31, 2010, 07:47:41 PM
DancingTheDream is truth to these statements are favoring the defense of Murray, including family members now why everyone says that Michael was a drug addict?, He is a very intelligent person and I guess he knew the risks of propofol, and whether he feared being killed, how is that going to put in the hands of well-known not to take medicine?, remember that during the trial Michael was hospitalized for dehydration because he dose not eat or drink anything for fear of being killed. :geek:
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: mjj29081958 on May 31, 2010, 09:18:50 PM
I'm not talking about Michael here, but you guys seriously need to know that intelligence and knowledge on drugs-meds doesn't make you "immune" to have an addiction. You can be the smartest person and have an addiction to drugs, because is something you just can not control. Many doctors have addictions to meds, and I can assure you they know very well its effects and risks...
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: alovesmichael on June 01, 2010, 07:39:30 AM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
I'm not talking about Michael here, but you guys seriously need to know that intelligence and knowledge on drugs-meds doesn't make you "immune" to have an addiction. You can be the smartest person and have an addiction to drugs, because is something you just can not control. Many doctors have addictions to meds, and I can assure you they know very well its effects and risks...

Exactly. I would know since I've experienced it upclose myself...
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on June 01, 2010, 09:22:11 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
I would kill to get into her head and find out what she thinks about Bashir since she was there touching up Michael's hair and makeup during the time Bashir was doing his interviewing.  I would love to know if she got any clues of what Bashir's real motives were anytime before the interviews concluded.  And more importantly, if she was an active participant in deluding any of the info that was revealed.  Though I believe she was loyal to Michael early on, I don't know if that might have faltered somewhere along the way.  Anyone got a clue?


I would know to know about that, too!!  :evil:
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on June 01, 2010, 10:18:08 AM
did you guys ever stop to think that maybe all of these wishy-washy stories are being thrown out there on purpose?

I personally feel KF is just a spiteful be-otch who ended up getting what she deserved.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Disco on June 01, 2010, 12:35:10 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
did you guys ever stop to think that maybe all of these wishy-washy stories are being thrown out there on purpose?

I personally feel KF is just a spiteful be-otch who ended up getting what she deserved.

 :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: teine21 on June 01, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
I don't believe Karen for one second. I think she was obsessed with MJ but he didn't feel the same & when she was let go it fueled some resentment in her. I really feel that if all the women who were actually a part of MJ's life had problems with her then she herself is a PROBLEM. I think she is saying all of this stuff for attention & to take shots at people because she's mad at the world. I mean honestly, if she really loved MJ she wouldn't be broadcasting all of this about him. She wouldn't get snappy with his fans. She wouldn't fight with people he loved. She's a jealous person. I also think anyone who could, if this has any amount of truth to it, find someone knocked out from drugs to the point they are unresponsive & not call for help or insist on calling 911 for an ambulance doesn't care about the person & then to feed him gatorade & bagels, walk him around & get him on stage when you know he's like that just so he can finish the show is a moron & a money hungry a**hole. I personally. think she never had a close relationship with him, she did his makeup, they probably joked around while she was doing it & that was that. But now she's trying to act like she was closer & that she knows soooo much, when in reality she's just making up lies about everyone either because she's on the bad side or just because she's crazy. I really do wish she would shut up though because whether they were "friends" or not she's not doing MJ any favors by making him out to look like a incoherent, drug addict. In fact, she's doing the opposite, she's trying to throw dirt on his name when she should just keep her mouth closed. The only people who have the right to speak is his family, even his closest friends know to keep their lips sealed, everyone else is just trying to get money.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: alovesmichael on June 01, 2010, 03:49:55 PM
Can somebody give me a good answer to why she would lie about doing Michael's burial make-up? Has anyone heard a family member deny this because I haven't? So that could A) mean that she actually DID do it  :cry: or B) she's in on the hoax. If option B is what you believe I'm confused, because if she's in on it why are people/fans calling her a jealous lier who was never close to Michael (mind u, she knew the man for 20 years and has never spoken about his private business before as far as I can recall).

Is there something I'm missing here, why the dislike? I know she can be very blunt in her statements but she talks. When someone (seemingly close to Michael) isn't talking we're suspicious and when they are talking we're still suspicious  :?:
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 01, 2010, 04:57:14 PM
I feel that the revelation she made about doing the burial makeup story was her part in the hoax.  Anyone with any sense (sorry not meant to offend) would know that a body that has been out that long would not be viewed at ANOTHER funeral :roll:   First, why put the family through that ritual.  For heaven's sake he'd been "deceased" for almost 3 months.  Families, by that time, are in a healing phase.  Why open up those wounds all over again?  So, there would have been in fact no reason to apply any makeup.  But for her to claim it with such ferocity seemed to be her way of saying she was the last to see him in the coffin.  In other words, "yep" he's dead.  I saw it with my own eyes.  Kinda like putting the last nail in the coffin (no pun intended).  Saying in fact, it's been a while, if you still believe he's alive, well let me put an end to that belief once and for all.  I put makeup on him, so there you've got it.  Since the coffin would be closed for the funeral ANYWAY :lol: , someone had to come up with a convincing story of having WITNESSED Michael being in there.  I guess she got nominated.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 01, 2010, 05:05:21 PM
Hereis a little blog she wrote in June 0f 2005 following Michael's not guilty verdict
http://www.themjifc.com/forum/innocent/1942-how-do-you-feel-karen-faye.html


"How Do You Feel?" By Karen Faye

Created: Sunday, 19 June 2005


That seems like the question that I am asked the most…. that, and the media begging for an interview or a sound bite. The answer to the second question is a radical “NO!”

There is absolutely no way I want to give the media one second of anything that belongs to Michael, just so they can get one more minute of ratings, a job advancement for themselves, or some more money in their greedy little paws, even if it is just me. I am not what they want. They just want another piece of Michael, and they are NOT getting it from me. I hold every moment we spent together sacred and personal. That belongs to us. My silence is the ultimate allegiance to my friend and hero.

The only one that has the authority and integrity to speak, at this time, is Thomas Messereau. He must speak in order to balance those scales of justice… remember that symbol?

I have been at “ground zero” throughout the entire year and a half. From the second day of production of ONE MORE CHANCE shooting in Las Vegas when my wake up call was interrupted by a news alert and helicopter shots of a raid on Neverland; the airplane ride to Santa Barbara where I witnessed Michael’s arms being twisted behind his back to slam shackles on his wrists. My heart has been in shackles until I heard the words NOT GUILTY repeated over and over again. Now how do I feel?

I AM FILLED WITH RAGE!!!!! I saw my dear friend go slowly from a vibrant, creative, loving man to a frail, broken hearted, human being. He was repeatedly raped (emotionally and mentally robbed and destroyed by force and violence). Day in and day out, in the courtroom and in the media, he was abused and violated in the worst possible manner in front the entire world, and me.

How do I feel? I am glad that the jury finally came to the same conclusion we knew all along. And what was the purpose of torturing this beautiful human being not only by a few ignorant (lacking a sense of awareness) lawmen, but also by a media willing to participate in the crucifixion for greed? I am ENRAGED!

I am trying to find the peace in my heart to forgive. Rage is a useless and horrible emotion to carry. Over this past week I have tried to cry it out. I went to the Neverland Gates on vindication day and tried to “hug” it out with all of my friends who marched beside Michael on this journey. I am still working on it.

Michael shared so much with me every day, and I still can not even conceive of how his body and heart is feeling now. All I do know is that Michael needs to recover (reclaim, recuperate) from this most heinous act that anyone could have put him through.

I know he needs to find peace. He did share with me his desire to be ALONE with his children… for him NOT to speak or see any one for a long time. I know he said this to also include me, not in any selfish or greedy manner, but for his own survival. I will respect this completely. But also in the same breath, he shared his love and gratitude for all of his friends that stood by his side.

I know we have so many feelings deep within us that need to be expressed. Many of us feel elated and want to party, some want to bow their heads in prayer and give thanks, and I have my rage to work through. Whatever we may be experiencing, let us please be respectful of Michael’s healing process and give him the time he needs to be able to regain his spirit to the fullest.

I have confidence that the artist, the God energy that dwells in Michael, will not be able to remain still. I am sure the music is still dancing in his mind. I am excited to know how his experiences will translate into his art.

Please, all of his friends, be patient and let us learn, and put the negative behind us quickly.


Let us turn this page with all the knowledge that we have gained. Let us leave Michael in peace. He KNOWS we are here… and waiting for him.

Lets keep dancing.


Karen Faye
__________________
"Sometimes you can just hop in the back of someone's cab and tell them what they're supposed to do. Other times, you have to let them look out at the ocean for a while."
--Jacob

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Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: DancingTheDream on June 01, 2010, 05:08:34 PM
Why is Karen always telling us how to feel and how to act??  I find her very irritating.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 01, 2010, 05:25:45 PM
[youtube:26sub0b7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8fO1CZp2k[/youtube:26sub0b7]
   
[youtube:26sub0b7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh_nefDxgXk&feature=related[/youtube:26sub0b7]
   _my question is why did she need to respond for Michael?  And, GET OFFA HIM, MAN, DANG :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: this1crazygirl on June 01, 2010, 11:56:05 PM
why his thighs look extra good to me lol in the 2nd vid?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: paula-c on June 02, 2010, 09:52:51 AM
this1crazygirl she is exploiting the situation to grab her thighs :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: this1crazygirl on June 02, 2010, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: "paula-c"
this1crazygirl she is exploiting the situation to grab her thighs :lol:  :lol:

????? I am confused :?
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: katooooooo on June 02, 2010, 11:27:09 AM
is it me or MJ look a little bit bored when KF talk lol look at his face...he did look at her when she talk...loll
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: RK on June 02, 2010, 12:09:15 PM
That's understandable. I can feel a little boredom when she talks too.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: darkchild on June 02, 2010, 11:29:21 PM
Quote from: "Doctor Death"
This is as confusing as confusing can be.

On one hand, we have TS and the lot of clues and blatant slip-ups from family members.

On the other hand, we have this lady and a few others chanting the same thigns over and over again.

If we are to have any unity in this hoax, we need to have one solid theory.....By saying that I mean that whenever we are on to something, out comes some randm statements that make us doubt our own theories....Simply because, these are allegedly from people who were "close" to him and therefore have to have a certain degree of "authenticity".

I really dont get it....What is the truth about Michael Jackson?

That is exactly why we must never give up on finding the truth about what happened to our beloved MJ.  There will be many ups and downs. Many fireworks and many smoke screens to confuse and to blind us.  They simply want us all to go away and give up.  Keep on praying, keep on fighting, keep on loving, and keep on believing, and I know that we will find the truth.  God bless you, Doctor!  Your post is so brillant.  MJ, baby, I love you. xxxxxxx
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: simplyme on June 03, 2010, 10:16:40 PM
I have a hard time believing Karen.  I have a hard time believing that a doctor accidently gave Michael too much of whatever shortly before a performace and then say Michael has to sleep for 8 hours.  That doesn't make any sense to me.  So where was everybody else.  Karen didn't mention anyone else.  The brothers, Elizabeth, Liza, Katherine, McCauley..had none of them arrived yet?  I don't believe that Chuck Dakota's interview story was bogus, like Karen said.  But I guess we'll never know.  The energy coming from Michael when Karen touches him, just isn't right.  I think she was hired for T11 because she already knew him.  Being self conscious, Michael probably preferred Karen for that reason and only that reason...Not because he felt warm and fuzzy about her.  She has a large mouth.  What she did on her FB page is no better then the tabloids.  If there was any truth to her ramblings, facebook wasn't the place for it.  I get strange vibes from her and personally, I don't think she's wrapped tight.
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Tina K. on June 04, 2010, 12:07:36 AM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Why is Karen always telling us how to feel and how to act??  I find her very irritating.


I agree 100 % She's a pain in the butt. :lol:
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: paula-c on June 04, 2010, 09:17:22 AM
Karen said her conceal the corpse of Michael, after La Toya said it looked "fabulous" after nearly three months of "dead."
Who looks great after almost three months of dead?, Or maybe La Toya what he said is that Michael was fabulous after nearly three months of the hoax and Karen have been given the task of driving the whole world. 8-)
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: alovesmichael on June 04, 2010, 09:58:10 AM
Everyone keeps dissin' KF which is none of my business but I posted some questions about her role in the whole thing (if there really is a "thing") a bit further up on this thread and only got one response... Would be interesting to see how you think she fits in with everything. Sure, we know she's acting annoyingly but I care more about her claims about doing Michael's burial make-up because that's highly worrying me... :?
Title: Re: Karen Faye - Read This! Wth???
Post by: Sangre on June 19, 2010, 10:36:50 AM
I don't like how jealous she sounds.

Do you remember when she got into an argument with Martin Bashir (he deserved that, but) Karen was so irked, Michael just sat there patiently. As if she was Michael's wife. It's was strange to watch.
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