Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => The Jackson Family & Kids => Marlon Jackson => Topic started by: lovemj4everandever on December 09, 2009, 10:33:23 AM
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Is it not extremely strange that in over 40 years of published articles about the Jackson family, there has NEVER been any mention of Marlon having a twin brother who was stillborn? I have searched diligently to find something regarding this but there is NOTHING that I can find confirming this. When googling this information, the only thing that can be found is information that appears "after it is mentioned" at Michael Jackson's Memorial in 2009. I find it incredible unlikely that the Jacksons would go for over 40 years in the public eye and NEVER ONCE mention that Marlon had a twin brother. Even stillborn children are usually considered part of a family. Elvis had a twin brother who died at birth and that was a well known fact all of Elvis' life.
I think the "funeral" had something to do with "Marlon's DEAD twin brother" because all of the TII dancers had on an exact replica of Marlon's Victory Tour jacket. See below.
(http://www.image-upload.net/images/4g0fi5v7udbab7eyfaqc_thumb.jpg) (http://www.image-upload.net/viewer.php?file=4g0fi5v7udbab7eyfaqc.jpg)
What do you think?
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you can find this on wikipedia.com
"...Jackson had three sisters: Rebbie, La Toya, and Janet, and six brothers: Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, Brandon (Marlon's twin brother, who died shortly after birth)[7] and Randy.[8]..."
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Yes, I know, but that is my point, all of this information was added to wikipedia only after it was mentioned at the memorial. There is no existence of this information prior to 2009. :(
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Interesting i wondered the same after hearing it at the memorial and i honestly thought i new everything about that family so it shocked me when he said it...
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Most interesting! If this is true, this would totally explain why there is a tendency by the Jacksons to say things like "my brother has passed" rather than using Michael's name.
I'm assuming that there would be a death certificate for the stillborn child.
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Well, that's the other odd thing, the articles that appear only after July of 2009, say that he was "issued no death certificate or birth certificate" due to him being stillborn. I think this does indeed have a great deal to do with why they always say "brother" passed and never say "Michael." :D
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I do not really think this is significant. Am not meaning to be flippant about this at all but Elvis was an only child so surely it would have had more effect on the family and parents than if they had a few children like Michael's parents did. Also a lot of families do not want to discuss such things as it is too upsetting and a private matter. It probably all came to mind again with the memorial they had to plan, is sure to remind them of passed loved ones even if Michael wasn't one of them.
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Im not too concerned that there arent any articles about his twin brothers destiny but I will say that I think the only reason Marlon managed to shed tears and cry at the memorial was because he was thinking of his deceased twin brother and not Michaels passing.
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Mmmmm, I kinda thought the family would have made arrangements for Brandon to be brought to the mausoleum to be with Michael. Maybe they have and its just not being publicized. But , speaking for myself, I would want both of my deceased children together, and considering that Brandon was an infant, I wouldnt tyhink it would be that difficult. I have always thought about this and is why, at forst, I thought maybe they WOULD have buried Michael in Indiana. They "supposedly" bought 12 plots. Could the 12th plot be for Brandon ? :?
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Mmmmm, I kinda thought the family would have made arrangements for Brandon to be brought to the mausoleum to be with Michael. Maybe they have and its just not being publicized. But , speaking for myself, I would want both of my deceased children together, and considering that Brandon was an infant, I wouldnt tyhink it would be that difficult. I have always thought about this and is why, at forst, I thought maybe they WOULD have buried Michael in Indiana. They "supposedly" bought 12 plots. Could the 12th plot be for Brandon ? :?
Do we know where Brandon is buried??
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In our "It Takes Two To Tango - Part 2" blog Souza and I already mentioned this:
Maybe they have reburied Brandon there, could explain why Katherine was emotional and she and Joe didn’t attend the after party. It could also explain why we were not allowed to see more then we saw on tv.
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In our "It Takes Two To Tango - Part 2" blog Souza and I already mentioned this:
Maybe they have reburied Brandon there, could explain why Katherine was emotional and she and Joe didn’t attend the after party. It could also explain why we were not allowed to see more then we saw on tv.
Interesting theory. :)
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Well, that's the other odd thing, the articles that appear only after July of 2009, say that he was "issued no death certificate or birth certificate" due to him being stillborn. I think this does indeed have a great deal to do with why they always say "brother" passed and never say "Michael." :D
That´s what I also said back in july (i guess) when Katherine did the interview and said "all I know is that my son is dead". Of course her son is dead. But not Michael.
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In our "It Takes Two To Tango - Part 2" blog Souza and I already mentioned this:
Maybe they have reburied Brandon there, could explain why Katherine was emotional and she and Joe didn’t attend the after party. It could also explain why we were not allowed to see more then we saw on tv.
Interesting theory. :)
YES VERY INTERESTING ;)
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Mmmmm, I kinda thought the family would have made arrangements for Brandon to be brought to the mausoleum to be with Michael. Maybe they have and its just not being publicized. But , speaking for myself, I would want both of my deceased children together, and considering that Brandon was an infant, I wouldnt tyhink it would be that difficult. I have always thought about this and is why, at forst, I thought maybe they WOULD have buried Michael in Indiana. They "supposedly" bought 12 plots. Could the 12th plot be for Brandon ? :?
But we don't think Michael is at the mausoleum-he isn't dead. don't mean to cause offence and be obnoxious but this is a hoax site and in some posts members speak as if he is actually dead.
Also I do not think the 12 plots have any bearing as most married couples when they die are buried together so are we to assume that the Brothers and their wives will be squashed in one grave?
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I had an uncle whose wife had a stillborn child and that baby was given a birth and death certificate. They obviously stated the same date but they were told that it had to be done for vital records. Just an observation to the fact that there is no BC or DC found for Brandon Jackson. Also another thing that gets to me with this is that if Brandon died shortly after birth or as an infant, however they have said it, then would Marlon really have the insight to be that upset to tell Michael to give Brandeon a message from him? I am not a twin so I have no idea how that works.
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I really think I need to reformat my hard drive ...the one in my head :shock: :lol: :lol: All these theories,all interesting but don't know what to think anymore... my braincells are working overtime :shock: I think I lost a few in the archange topic :lol: :lol:
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I really think I need to reformat my hard drive ...the one in my head :shock: :lol: :lol: All these theories,all interesting but don't know what to think anymore... my braincells are working overtime :shock: I think I lost a few in the archange topic :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: you are not alone trust me,im changing my name to headless chicken NO1,i have a feeling there will be a few more :lol: :lol:
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Yes this is also interesting again and could explicably his for a lot... :D
People my brain has done a Hoax, I can soon look though no more :?
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From my experience if a baby is stillborn BC and DC are issused. However, if a lady has a miscarriage then BC/DC are not issued. It'll all be on record somewhere anyway it has to be to assess risk of future pregnancys. Record keeping has changed a lot over the years maybe hospitals didnt consider it important to issue BC/DC for a still birth???
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I really think I need to reformat my hard drive ...the one in my head :shock: :lol: :lol: All these theories,all interesting but don't know what to think anymore... my braincells are working overtime :shock: I think I lost a few in the archange topic :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: you are not alone trust me,im changing my name to headless chicken NO1,i have a feeling there will be a few more :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
What I need is a shrink who enjoyes a big challenge :shock: :lol: :lol:
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Imo the only significance to this brother is Marlon's fake tears at the memorial, i'm not a harsh or sceptical person by any means but Marlon's tears and speech were so fake, my 5 year old nephew can fake his tears and emotions better than this.
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I just can't get over the TII dancers being dressed in the Marlon replica jackets though. There HAS to be something to this. JMO! :?
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Mmmmm, I kinda thought the family would have made arrangements for Brandon to be brought to the mausoleum to be with Michael. Maybe they have and its just not being publicized. But , speaking for myself, I would want both of my deceased children together, and considering that Brandon was an infant, I wouldnt tyhink it would be that difficult. I have always thought about this and is why, at forst, I thought maybe they WOULD have buried Michael in Indiana. They "supposedly" bought 12 plots. Could the 12th plot be for Brandon ? :?
But we don't think Michael is at the mausoleum-he isn't dead. don't mean to cause offence and be obnoxious but this is a hoax site and in some posts members speak as if he is actually dead.
Also I do not think the 12 plots have any bearing as most married couples when they die are buried together so are we to assume that the Brothers and their wives will be squashed in one grave?
No, please don't misunderstand, I dont believe Michael is dead. I was being kind of sarcastic I guess. I would just think that ,as a mother, I would want my two deceased children together. But that didnt happen, so I found it odd. I guess i'm not explaining myself very well :?
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Yes, I know, but that is my point, all of this information was added to wikipedia only after it was mentioned at the memorial. There is no existence of this information prior to 2009. :(
I think it wasn't even mentioned in the "The Jacksons: An American dream"- movie wasn't it?
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I'm not sure if I ever remember it being mentioned myself but it was mentioned before, some years back, that there were originally 9 children. Michael always said "my parents had 9 children in interviews." I remember thinking Michael couldn't keep track himself but I learned one son had indeed died at birth. I never knew it was a twin let alone Marlon's twin until the memorial. I don't really see it as strange in my book because a 9th child was known. I just noticed it wasn't talked about often. All the members of the family have mentioned 9 in interviews before.
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uuuuhhhh...regarding the post just above this one, there are "9" without the twin. The "twin" makes 10. ;) There is Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, Randy, Michael, Rebbie, Janet and LaToya. That makes 9. The "twin" whom we have never heard of until 07/07/09 (Brandon) makes 10. ;)
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Not sure if the same rules apply in USA as in UK but here in UK it is illeagle and has been since the GRO index's started back in 1837 not to register still births. some times a baby was registered as only by the surname as in male smith female smith but leagally all births whether live or stillborn had to be registered. this was then followed by a registered death. I am a proffesional genealogist by proffesion and in all the years of my researching (which feels like centuries lol) the only times i have come accross unregistered deaths or births is when dodgy dealings are going on. Hope that helps in some way
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Most interesting! If this is true, this would totally explain why there is a tendency by the Jacksons to say things like "my brother has passed" rather than using Michael's name.
I'm assuming that there would be a death certificate for the stillborn child.
I was thinking the SAME THING when i was reading the LKL updates this morning!
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Not sure if the same rules apply in USA as in UK but here in UK it is illeagle and has been since the GRO index's started back in 1837 not to register still births. some times a baby was registered as only by the surname as in male smith female smith but leagally all births whether live or stillborn had to be registered. this was then followed by a registered death. I am a proffesional genealogist by proffesion and in all the years of my researching (which feels like centuries lol) the only times i have come accross unregistered deaths or births is when dodgy dealings are going on. Hope that helps in some way
Thats is interesting thankyou
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uuuuhhhh...regarding the post just above this one, there are "9" without the twin. The "twin" makes 10. ;) There is Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, Randy, Michael, Rebbie, Janet and LaToya. That makes 9. The "twin" whom we have never heard of until 07/07/09 (Brandon) makes 10. ;)
Sorry I didn't check that I meant to say 10. I'll post a video of his interview where he's talking about family life and wanting lots of kids. I'm at work so it'll take me a minute to find it. Thanks lovemj for pointing that mistake out!
Edit: Here's one of the interviews he mentions his parents had 10 children. There are many more but this is one I recall vividly from memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM_MjkCjGQQ&feature=PlayList&p=6020E86428C5768B&index=10
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Not sure if the same rules apply in USA as in UK but here in UK it is illeagle and has been since the GRO index's started back in 1837 not to register still births. some times a baby was registered as only by the surname as in male smith female smith but leagally all births whether live or stillborn had to be registered. this was then followed by a registered death. I am a proffesional genealogist by proffesion and in all the years of my researching (which feels like centuries lol) the only times i have come accross unregistered deaths or births is when dodgy dealings are going on. Hope that helps in some way
I'm not sure either but I work in a clinic and we have DC's coming in all the time for still born children here in the US so that is strange to me that one was not issued.
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uuuuhhhh...regarding the post just above this one, there are "9" without the twin. The "twin" makes 10. ;) There is Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, Randy, Michael, Rebbie, Janet and LaToya. That makes 9. The "twin" whom we have never heard of until 07/07/09 (Brandon) makes 10. ;)
Sorry I didn't check that I meant to say 10. I'll post a video of his interview where he's talking about family life and wanting lots of kids. I'm at work so it'll take me a minute to find it. Thanks lovemj for pointing that mistake out!
Edit: Here's one of the interviews he mentions his parents had 10 children. There are many more but this is one I recall vividly from memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM_MjkCjGQQ&feature=PlayList&p=6020E86428C5768B&index=10
He said "My father had 10 children."
So, he's got a half-sister - is she including her? I think so, otherwise he would have said "my parents". Can't imagine he excludes his mother.
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uuuuhhhh...regarding the post just above this one, there are "9" without the twin. The "twin" makes 10. ;) There is Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, Randy, Michael, Rebbie, Janet and LaToya. That makes 9. The "twin" whom we have never heard of until 07/07/09 (Brandon) makes 10. ;)
Sorry I didn't check that I meant to say 10. I'll post a video of his interview where he's talking about family life and wanting lots of kids. I'm at work so it'll take me a minute to find it. Thanks lovemj for pointing that mistake out!
Edit: Here's one of the interviews he mentions his parents had 10 children. There are many more but this is one I recall vividly from memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM_MjkCjGQQ&feature=PlayList&p=6020E86428C5768B&index=10
He said "My father had 10 children."
So, he's got a half-sister - is she including her? I think so, otherwise he would have said "my parents". Can't imagine he excludes his mother.
Thanks Ninanina, I was just having a convo with lovemj4ever and that could possibly be the case. I would hate to exclude her. I have a half brother and I often made the mistake of saying my father had 2 children which in fact he had 4 (my brother and I) but it wasn't until I was grown that I got to know one of the two that he had outside the marriage with my mom. I was young but yeah this I can see poses alot of questions.
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I agree, I think in that video he is talking about "Johvonnie" because he certainly did not grow up with a child who died at birth. Even though Johvonnie entered his life when he was a teenager, I still think he was talking about his "half-sister" not a child who died at birth. JMO.
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i thought the twin was mentioned in the "Magic and the Madness" by J. RandyTaraborrelli
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i thought the twin was mentioned in the "Magic and the Madness" by J. RandyTaraborrelli
My mom has that book and I've never read it. I heard he released another one sort of a part two. I need to get on that. This all confuses me especially since the family shunned Joh'Vonnie with the exception of maybe 4 people, including papa Joe. I always read Michael and Janet really didn't fully except her or really acknowledge her but hey all these twists and turns are keeping my brain busy and occupied.
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Yes, I know, but that is my point, all of this information was added to wikipedia only after it was mentioned at the memorial. There is no existence of this information prior to 2009. :(
First of all the Jackson's were not in the limelight at that time. Secondly, it is not news. It was well known that there was a stillborn twin. I knew it, and I wasn't a Jackson 5 follower, but somehow I remember hearing that ages ago.
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This says Brandon wasn't issued a birth certificate, but Marlon's birth certificate states he was a twin...
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_was_Marlo ... in_brother (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_was_Marlon_Jackson's_twin_brother)
"Marlon Jackson twin brother Brandon Jackson, died at birth. An Emegerncy surgery or C Section was performed and Brandon was decease at birth (stillborn) Mrs Jackson was pregnant with twin boys, and because Brandon became ill and died prior to birth, an emergency surgery was perform. He was given a name for the sake of the funeral and burial, but was never given a birth certificate. Marlon's birth certificate does state a Twin, and Brandon was considered to be born first, although deceased and Marlon came after. They were Franternal twins. Michael J. Jackson is considered to be Joe and Katherine Jackson's second son to pass.
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uuuuhhhh...regarding the post just above this one, there are "9" without the twin. The "twin" makes 10. ;) There is Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, Randy, Michael, Rebbie, Janet and LaToya. That makes 9. The "twin" whom we have never heard of until 07/07/09 (Brandon) makes 10. ;)
Sorry I didn't check that I meant to say 10. I'll post a video of his interview where he's talking about family life and wanting lots of kids. I'm at work so it'll take me a minute to find it. Thanks lovemj for pointing that mistake out!
Edit: Here's one of the interviews he mentions his parents had 10 children. There are many more but this is one I recall vividly from memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM_MjkCjGQQ&feature=PlayList&p=6020E86428C5768B&index=10
He said "My father had 10 children."
So, he's got a half-sister - is she including her? I think so, otherwise he would have said "my parents". Can't imagine he excludes his mother.
i seen this and another interview where he says my father had 10 kids and never put it together he was talking about joh'vonnie....good catch
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We are all aware the information is now available. The point was this information was not available through wikipedia until after Michael died and it was mentioned at the memorial. In 40 years of published articles and books, it was never mentioned. That is the point. :lol:
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I think it wasn't even mentioned in the "The Jacksons: An American dream"- movie wasn't it?
I have that movie on vhs (vh1 aired it about 3 times so I recorded it) and have watched it many times. Not once in that movie do you hear any mention of Brandon; only that the Jackson's had 9 children. If I'm not mistaken, Jermaine helped produce it. Did he suddenly forget he had another brother, Marlon's twin. This is supposed to be a movie about The Jackson Family, not just the Jackson 5, right? So, Brandon, whether stillborn or not, should've been mentioned, as he is part of the family; jmo
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Is it not extremely strange that in over 40 years of published articles about the Jackson family, there has NEVER been any mention of Marlon having a twin brother who was stillborn? I have searched diligently to find something regarding this but there is NOTHING that I can find confirming this. When googling this information, the only thing that can be found is information that appears "after it is mentioned" at Michael Jackson's Memorial in 2009. I find it incredible unlikely that the Jacksons would go for over 40 years in the public eye and NEVER ONCE mention that Marlon had a twin brother. Even stillborn children are usually considered part of a family. Elvis had a twin brother who died at birth and that was a well known fact all of Elvis' life.
I think the "funeral" had something to do with "Marlon's DEAD twin brother" because all of the TII dancers had on an exact replica of Marlon's Victory Tour jacket. See below.
(http://www.image-upload.net/images/4g0fi5v7udbab7eyfaqc_thumb.jpg) (http://www.image-upload.net/viewer.php?file=4g0fi5v7udbab7eyfaqc.jpg)
What do you think?
Katherine Jackson wrote a book in 1990, i believe, called "My family, the jackson's"
Here's an exerpt:
Also, I found pregnancy to be very easy. I never felt better than when I was pregnant I never had morning sickness. I never knew that I was pregnant until I missed my period. Sometimes, if I wasn’t watching the calendar, I’d be into my pregnancy a month or longer without feeling anything.
Jermaine, our fourth child, was born on December 11, 1954.
LaToya came next. She was born on May 29, 1956, six years to the day after Rebbie entered the world. At seven pounds, twelve ounces, she was my biggest baby.
Less than a year later I was back in the hospital, this time giving birth to twins, Marlon and Brandon, on March 12, 1957.
They were two months premature. As I was hauling a heavy pail of oil into the house for our space heater, my water broke. Joe wasn’t at home at the time, so one of his cousins rushed me to hospital. Forty-five minutes after I was admitted, Marlon was born. He weighed four pounds, five ounces.
The doctor was leaving the room when the nurse cried out, “Wait a minute, there’s another baby in there!” The doctor placed the stethoscope on my stomach and listened for a moment. “I’ll be darned, there sure is!” He exclaimed. This was the same doctor who had examined me during my pregnancy; he had not detected the fact that I was carrying twins!
“Well, she’s too tired to deliver,” the doctor announced. He began to pull Brandon out with a pair of forceps. I was sedated, but I recall thinking, He’s going to do something to my child. He’s going to hurt him.
After Brandon was born, I recall hearing him cry very faintly. Eight hours later he died.
Joe’s mother broke the news about Brandon to my children, and they felt badly. When Chrystal mentioned that I had been crying, they felt even worse. “Well, we do have one baby,” Rebbie said between sobs, So Mother shouldn’t be crying.”
Since I had to remain in hospital for five days, I couldn’t attend the funeral. Chrystal hired a professional photographer to take pictures of Brandon, but he lost the film. I never did get to see my son.
Suffering through the loss of my child and Marlon’s premature birth, it was a joy to bring Marlon home finally from the hospital four weeks after his birth.
My experience with Marlon and Brandon didn’t dissuade me from getting pregnant again. The following year August 29, I gave birth to another boy.
You can read her book online at the following link (it's in page 2 towards the bottom) This link should take u directly to the right page:
http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/ (http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/)
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toya talked about brandon also in her book
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When we stumbled upon Mike J Jackson in the Intelius records last October I contacted a former MJHD member who had offered me her help in the past. Through her work she has access to the official records in the USA. Her contact told her that there is no birth certificate for Brandon, only a death certificate which lists the date of birth and the date of passing. Mind - I'm only posting what was told to me, I never saw any proof of that.
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When we stumbled upon Mike J Jackson in the Intelius records last October I contacted a former MJHD member who had offered me her help in the past. Through her work she has access to the official records in the USA. Her contact told her that there is no birth certificate for Brandon, only a death certificate which lists the date of birth and the date of passing. Mind - I'm only posting what was told to me, I never saw any proof of that.
but you guys found one for a malachi jackson?
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Good that you remind me of Malachi! I mixed the info on Brandon and Malachi up.
What I posted earlier goes for Malachi, not Brandon so:
When we stumbled upon Mike J Jackson in the Intelius records last October I contacted a former MJHD member who had offered me her help in the past. Through her work she has access to the official records in the USA. Her contact told her that there is no birth certificate for Malachi, only a death certificate which lists the date of birth (08/29) and the date of passing (08/30). Mind - I'm only posting what was told to me, I never saw any proof of that.
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Good that you remind me of Malachi! I mixed the info on Brandon and Malachi up.
What I posted earlier goes for Malachi, not Brandon so:
When we stumbled upon Mike J Jackson in the Intelius records last October I contacted a former MJHD member who had offered me her help in the past. Through her work she has access to the official records in the USA. Her contact told her that there is no birth certificate for Malachi, only a death certificate which lists the date of birth (08/29) and the date of passing (08/30). Mind - I'm only posting what was told to me, I never saw any proof of that.
so did no one find anything for brandon or was there never a search for him? and i always thought it was funny that they would be name marlon and brandon like marlon brando :lol:
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Nope, nothing on Brandon was found, but she did mention Marlon not being listed as one of twins. But I will mention it again: I never saw any proof of what I was told...
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Nope, nothing on Brandon was found, but she did mention Marlon not being listed as one of twins. But I will mention it again: I never saw any proof of what I was told...
listed? on birth/ death certificates the have a space to make it there are mutiple births?
sorry so many questions..just curious
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Yes, on a BC it's listed if the birth is single, twin, etc.
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Yes, on a BC it's listed if the birth is single, twin, etc.
did the person mentions on malachis if it listed as twin or triple birth?
and yes i know you did not see this with your own eyes... :mrgreen:
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No. All I was told is that Michael, Mike and Malachi have the same date of birth: 08-29-1958.
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so did no one find anything for brandon or was there never a search for him? and i always thought it was funny that they would be name marlon and brandon like marlon brando :lol:
Its interesting that you mention that, because I thought of that as well after the memorial. Given the fact that Michael was very close friends with Marlon Brando and also his son Miko, it made me wonder about the names and how ironic that Marlon and Brandon are supposedly twins and Michael being close to Marlon Brando, but I never said anything. I just thought what a very strange odd coincidence that the names are so close. Things that make you go hmmmm! You and I must think alike LOL! :lol:
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so did no one find anything for brandon or was there never a search for him? and i always thought it was funny that they would be name marlon and brandon like marlon brando :lol:
Its interesting that you mention that, because I thought of that as well after the memorial. Given the fact that Michael was very close friends with Marlon Brando and also his son Miko, it made me wonder about the names and how ironic that Marlon and Brandon are supposedly twins and Michael being close to Marlon Brando, but I never said anything. I just thought what a very strange odd coincidence that the names are so close. Things that make you go hmmmm! You and I must think alike LOL! :lol:
Yea and there is youtube clip where they talk about there names and where they came from and marlon say.." I guess I was named after marlon brandon" and jermaine says " my name is like germany" when I get home ill post it
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No. All I was told is that Michael, Mike and Malachi have the same date of birth: 08-29-1958.
I thought mikes bday was 8/8/58????
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Okay...Okay...all this time that this brother's twin brother who has been dead for a longgggg time..shouldn't he had a BC/DC when he was stillborn then? Some upteen years ago?? I am just not understanding this one. When my grandmother had her 13th child who was still born and his name was John all that documentation was taken care of. My grandmother who would have been alive today is probably around Katherine's age or maybe just a few years older but I remember my mother telling me about this and told me that she had a boy and named him John if he would have lived.
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so did no one find anything for brandon or was there never a search for him? and i always thought it was funny that they would be name marlon and brandon like marlon brando :lol:
Its interesting that you mention that, because I thought of that as well after the memorial. Given the fact that Michael was very close friends with Marlon Brando and also his son Miko, it made me wonder about the names and how ironic that Marlon and Brandon are supposedly twins and Michael being close to Marlon Brando, but I never said anything. I just thought what a very strange odd coincidence that the names are so close. Things that make you go hmmmm! You and I must think alike LOL! :lol:
Maybe Katherine was a fan of Marlon Brando and chose to name her twins after him.
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My head is spinning and Im really confused. Can someone say what conclusions you have made from all this information? Theories? Because I dont understand what this is suppose to imply.
Did the Jacksons bury Brandon at ''Michaels'' funeral?
Is the deceased twin actually Michaels twin who is still alive?
Is the deceased twin actually Michaels twin who died on June 25th?
Is the deceased twin actually Marlons twin who is still alive?
Please try and answer me in child-friendly tense because Im really slow right now.
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Well, that's the other odd thing, the articles that appear only after July of 2009, say that he was "issued no death certificate or birth certificate" due to him being stillborn. I think this does indeed have a great deal to do with why they always say "brother" passed and never say "Michael." :D
That´s what I also said back in july (i guess) when Katherine did the interview and said "all I know is that my son is dead". Of course her son is dead. But not Michael.
I agree I thought that too, that Katherine had "covered" herself there. :roll:
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No. All I was told is that Michael, Mike and Malachi have the same date of birth: 08-29-1958.
I thought mikes bday was 8/8/58????
In that case - tell me why it's listed everywhere as 08/29/1958? ;)
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Is it not extremely strange that in over 40 years of published articles about the Jackson family, there has NEVER been any mention of Marlon having a twin brother who was stillborn? I have searched diligently to find something regarding this but there is NOTHING that I can find confirming this. When googling this information, the only thing that can be found is information that appears "after it is mentioned" at Michael Jackson's Memorial in 2009. I find it incredible unlikely that the Jacksons would go for over 40 years in the public eye and NEVER ONCE mention that Marlon had a twin brother. Even stillborn children are usually considered part of a family. Elvis had a twin brother who died at birth and that was a well known fact all of Elvis' life.
I think the "funeral" had something to do with "Marlon's DEAD twin brother" because all of the TII dancers had on an exact replica of Marlon's Victory Tour jacket. See below.
(http://www.image-upload.net/images/4g0fi5v7udbab7eyfaqc_thumb.jpg) (http://www.image-upload.net/viewer.php?file=4g0fi5v7udbab7eyfaqc.jpg)
What do you think?
Katherine Jackson wrote a book in 1990, i believe, called "My family, the jackson's"
Here's an exerpt:
Also, I found pregnancy to be very easy. I never felt better than when I was pregnant I never had morning sickness. I never knew that I was pregnant until I missed my period. Sometimes, if I wasn’t watching the calendar, I’d be into my pregnancy a month or longer without feeling anything.
Jermaine, our fourth child, was born on December 11, 1954.
LaToya came next. She was born on May 29, 1956, six years to the day after Rebbie entered the world. At seven pounds, twelve ounces, she was my biggest baby.
Less than a year later I was back in the hospital, this time giving birth to twins, Marlon and Brandon, on March 12, 1957.
They were two months premature. As I was hauling a heavy pail of oil into the house for our space heater, my water broke. Joe wasn’t at home at the time, so one of his cousins rushed me to hospital. Forty-five minutes after I was admitted, Marlon was born. He weighed four pounds, five ounces.
The doctor was leaving the room when the nurse cried out, “Wait a minute, there’s another baby in there!” The doctor placed the stethoscope on my stomach and listened for a moment. “I’ll be darned, there sure is!” He exclaimed. This was the same doctor who had examined me during my pregnancy; he had not detected the fact that I was carrying twins!
“Well, she’s too tired to deliver,” the doctor announced. He began to pull Brandon out with a pair of forceps. I was sedated, but I recall thinking, He’s going to do something to my child. He’s going to hurt him.
After Brandon was born, I recall hearing him cry very faintly. Eight hours later he died.
Joe’s mother broke the news about Brandon to my children, and they felt badly. When Chrystal mentioned that I had been crying, they felt even worse. “Well, we do have one baby,” Rebbie said between sobs, So Mother shouldn’t be crying.”
Since I had to remain in hospital for five days, I couldn’t attend the funeral. Chrystal hired a professional photographer to take pictures of Brandon, but he lost the film. I never did get to see my son.
Suffering through the loss of my child and Marlon’s premature birth, it was a joy to bring Marlon home finally from the hospital four weeks after his birth.
My experience with Marlon and Brandon didn’t dissuade me from getting pregnant again. The following year August 29, I gave birth to another boy.
You can read her book online at the following link (it's in page 2 towards the bottom) This link should take u directly to the right page:
http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/ (http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/)
Katherine states here that she heard a faint cry and he died 8 hours later. If thats the case, he wasnt stillborn. Stillborn is when the baby is dead before delivery and never breathes. :shock: :?
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No. All I was told is that Michael, Mike and Malachi have the same date of birth: 08-29-1958.
I thought mikes bday was 8/8/58????
In that case - tell me why it's listed everywhere as 08/29/1958? ;)
No in the mike j jackson blog it was stated that mike j...not michael had a diffeent dob and souza suggested they may b cousins
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There are several DOBs in the Intelius file for Mike J Jackson. Pick one! :lol:
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Katherine states here that she heard a faint cry and he died 8 hours later. If thats the case, he wasnt stillborn. Stillborn is when the baby is dead before delivery and never breathes. :shock: :?
Very good catch - totally missed that one! The mystery continues...
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Hey guys and gals, Im pretty sure you all have read MJs moonwalker, if not please do so, but in the book MJ refers to him and his brothers(keyword brothers) as the seven dawarfs!!:???? Ok so 7 dawafs umm confussed, arent there only 6 boys including MJ? This book was written in the late 80's not around the Jackson 5 times when Brandon would have maybe talked about. Does this make sence to anyone else? Please enlighten me. :? :)
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I always felt that was a bit strange when Marlon mentioned his twin brother Brandon. I think I do remember Marlon having a twin brother that died when the Jackson 5 first came out. I did find this in the Wikipedia history. I had to go back as far as 2003 to find it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marlon_Jackson&oldid=3325983
I do agree about Katherine being so emotional at the funeral. I do feel that she was burying Brandon instead of Michael. This is very confusing. I will be glad when the truth is revealed. I do have a copy of MJ's Moonwalk and J. Randy's The Magic and Madness and the whole story." I will start reading it this weekend. Also, I did watch the youtube video and MJ's was talking about Joe had 10 children. So I don't think he was talking about his half sister.
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There are several DOBs in the Intelius file for Mike J Jackson. Pick one! :lol:
Oh ok...lolHey guys and gals, Im pretty sure you all have read MJs moonwalker, if not please do so, but in the book MJ refers to him and his brothers(keyword brothers) as the seven dawarfs!!:???? Ok so 7 dawafs umm confussed, arent there only 6 boys including MJ? This book was written in the late 80's not around the Jackson 5 times when Brandon would have maybe talked about. Does this make sence to anyone else? Please enlighten me. :? :)
Good catch....during the whole book he said things and I was like "uh" but that slipped past me
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I find it odd that in one post Katherine is said to have had a C-section and Brandon was delivered first but was dead from illness but then in the excerpt from her book it is said that she went into labor and delivered Marlon and then the nurse informed the doctor that there was another baby and indeed there was. What I would like to know is which one was delivered first and how? If Brandon did live for 8 hours there should absolutely be a BC and a DC because he was NOT stillborn. I am starting to wonder how long the Jackson's have been hiding things. Is it possible that Malachi (this is a stretch) had some disabilities and that made the family decide to hide him? Was it him instead of Michael that died? So many questions...so few answers!!!
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I always felt that was a bit strange when Marlon mentioned his twin brother Brandon. I think I do remember Marlon having a twin brother that died when the Jackson 5 first came out. I did find this in the Wikipedia history. I had to go back as far as 2003 to find it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marlon_Jackson&oldid=3325983
I do agree about Katherine being so emotional at the funeral. I do feel that she was burying Brandon instead of Michael. This is very confusing. I will be glad when the truth is revealed. I do have a copy of MJ's Moonwalk and J. Randy's The Magic and Madness and the whole story." I will start reading it this weekend. Also, I did watch the youtube video and MJ's was talking about Joe had 10 children. So I don't think he was talking about his half sister.
The more and more I think about it I don't think he's talking about Johvonnie either, especially after she has said in a few interviews how the family shunned her and how she met Michael once at Neverland and he never really gave her any hint of wanting to get to know her. So no I don't think he was referring to her either.
After reading her blog it kind of depressed me really. She is lost and is just looking for acceptance. She needs to stop feeling hurt by her siblings though because it honestly is their choice whether they want to accept her or not. It's a sad situation because she didn't ask to be born by those two people.
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who's Malachi?
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I'm assuming that there would be a death certificate for the stillborn child.
Not always. Sometimes if a family comes from proverty or before the 1950s ish (like my family did long time ago) sometimes there are no records of birth or death and such. because of poverty y know women just had children and then went on with life.. i foudn that to be true in my ancestors when my mother was digging heavily into our family geneology.
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I find it odd that in one post Katherine is said to have had a C-section and Brandon was delivered first but was dead from illness but then in the excerpt from her book it is said that she went into labor and delivered Marlon and then the nurse informed the doctor that there was another baby and indeed there was. What I would like to know is which one was delivered first and how? If Brandon did live for 8 hours there should absolutely be a BC and a DC because he was NOT stillborn. I am starting to wonder how long the Jackson's have been hiding things. Is it possible that Malachi (this is a stretch) had some disabilities and that made the family decide to hide him? Was it him instead of Michael that died? So many questions...so few answers!!!
ur right about the c-section things also,and yes a stillborn baby does not cry
and im starting to wonder about what they are hiding also, becaue this just absolutly does not make sense. I also thought maybe the other child had a disability, but from mo was told malachi has a death certificate so if there is in fact a real twin ti dont think that that is his name..but i still dont think anyone died this year....
The more and more I think about it I don't think he's talking about Johvonnie either, especially after she has said in a few interviews how the family shunned her and how she met Michael once at Neverland and he never really gave her any hint of wanting to get to know her. So no I don't think he was referring to her either.
After reading her blog it kind of depressed me really. She is lost and is just looking for acceptance. She needs to stop feeling hurt by her siblings though because it honestly is their choice whether they want to accept her or not. It's a sad situation because she didn't ask to be born by those two people.
idk because i know that rebbie and latoya would visit her and Im thinking that at first they may have been upset but in the end thats still there sister...so maybe her doing this interviews was apart of the hoax..if you notice it seems like all the siblings and alot of there kids are getting some type of air time
who's Malachi?
during some research some found a death certificate for a malachi jackson born as the same day as mike but died on 8/30/58 the next day...which lead to the theory that mike may have been a triplet/twin
and remeber that one of his "love" children were named malachi and so is this guy tmz swears sounds just like mj
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In Katherine Jackson's book, My Family-The Jacksons, she wrote about Brandon:
"Less than a year later I was back in the hospital, this time giving birth to twins, Marlon and Brandon, on March 12, 1957.
They were two months premature. As I was hauling a heavy pail of oil into the house for our space heater, my water broke. Joe wasn’t at home at the time, so one of his cousins rushed me to hospital. Forty-five minutes after I was admitted, Marlon was born. He weighed four pounds, five ounces.
The doctor was leaving the room when the nurse cried out, “Wait a minute, there’s another baby in there!” The doctor placed the stethoscope on my stomach and listened for a moment. “I’ll be darned, there sure is!” He exclaimed. This was the same doctor who had examined me during my pregnancy; he had not detected the fact that I was carrying twins!
“Well, she’s too tired to deliver,” the doctor announced. He began to pull Brandon out with a pair of forceps. I was sedated, but I recall thinking, He’s going to do something to my child. He’s going to hurt him.
After Brandon was born, I recall hearing him cry very faintly. Eight hours later he died.
Joe’s mother broke the news about Brandon to my children, and they felt badly. When Chrystal mentioned that I had been crying, they felt even worse. “Well, we do have one baby,” Rebbie said between sobs, So Mother shouldn’t be crying.”
Since I had to remain in hospital for five days, I couldn’t attend the funeral. Chrystal hired a professional photographer to take pictures of Brandon, but he lost the film. I never did get to see my son.
Suffering through the loss of my child and Marlon’s premature birth, it was a joy to bring Marlon home finally from the hospital four weeks after his birth.
My experience with Marlon and Brandon didn’t dissuade me from getting pregnant again. The following year August 29, I gave birth to another boy. "
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Katherine did mention Brandon in her book.
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I felt that it was very strange in the funeral...
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is there any further info on Malachi, like the city & hospital he was born in that may reflect similarities to Michael?
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is there any further info on Malachi, like the city & hospital he was born in that may reflect similarities to Michael?
the thing is that we didnt didnt see the document but a member was telling us this so i dont know if its true or not and all of the jackson documents have been sealed so there is no way really for us to know, but its something to think about...basicly the point is that supposively mike had the twin not marlon
and as far as katies story it doesnt match, again a stillborn baby does not cry so idk whats goin on
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The remark WAS strange. I mean, why would you say something like that at the end of the memorial? Also, he is the one who told the story about how Michael went around in disguises.
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Since I had to remain in hospital for five days, I couldn’t attend the funeral. Chrystal hired a professional photographer to take pictures of Brandon, but he lost the film. I never did get to see my son. "
So she didnt even SEE her dead child?? Not even at the hospital before the funeral?? How odd. You would have thought the nurses would have brought the baby to her to see.
Also... isnt it strange with this Malachi business? I am convinced that person who is claiming to be MJs love child IS legitimate and telling the truth. I would love to see a picture of the grown up man he is now, and it would prove once and for all that MJ was NOT GAY and was NOT shooting blanks.
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Since I had to remain in hospital for five days, I couldn’t attend the funeral. Chrystal hired a professional photographer to take pictures of Brandon, but he lost the film. I never did get to see my son. "
So she didnt even SEE her dead child?? Not even at the hospital before the funeral?? How odd. You would have thought the nurses would have brought the baby to her to see.
Also... isnt it strange with this Malachi business? I am convinced that person who is claiming to be MJs love child IS legitimate and telling the truth. I would love to see a picture of the grown up man he is now, and it would prove once and for all that MJ was NOT GAY and was NOT shooting blanks.
lol @ shooting blanks
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Since I had to remain in hospital for five days, I couldn’t attend the funeral. Chrystal hired a professional photographer to take pictures of Brandon, but he lost the film. I never did get to see my son. "
So she didnt even SEE her dead child?? Not even at the hospital before the funeral?? How odd. You would have thought the nurses would have brought the baby to her to see.
Also... isnt it strange with this Malachi business? I am convinced that person who is claiming to be MJs love child IS legitimate and telling the truth. I would love to see a picture of the grown up man he is now, and it would prove once and for all that MJ was NOT GAY and was NOT shooting blanks.
...but it would make Michael look bad because he did not properly care for the child all these years....