Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => June 25, 2009 => The Ambulance => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on June 22, 2010, 03:56:08 PM

Title: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: DancingTheDream on June 22, 2010, 03:56:08 PM
Check this out:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/michae ... d-10974241 (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/michael-jackson-ambulance-neverland-10974241)

Watch the interview and tell me what you see at 1:53

Also.. i have no idea why it says "Ambulance at Neverland"
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Kirsche on June 22, 2010, 04:40:17 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Check this out:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/michae ... d-10974241 (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/michael-jackson-ambulance-neverland-10974241)

Watch the interview and tell me what you see at 1:53

Also.. i have no idea why it says "Ambulance at Neverland"


AAH!  :shock:  It looks like Michael wearing his mask, lookin into the camera, half sitting and half lying... Ambulance at Neverland  :D
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: NightOwl on June 22, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
Good find!

Glad Ben is a photographer in L.A. because he's not much of an actor. Why is he so nervous? Turn off the sound and watch him. Hmmm...

"Body language of A liar
In certain situations, you can tell a lie not by what you hear, but what you see. A Person’s physical movements will give him/her away every time. Just like the human eye, every movement has a reason backed up behind it. If you can read body language, you will gain the upper hand in any confrontation. The liar will not know he is giving himself away by making certain body movements, because they are all done subconsciously. The subconscious mind is a powerful part of your brain that the average person under estimates. A lot of the movements you make are orchestrated by the subconscious mind.
 Knowing what each body movement means is so important because if you can observe some ones body language, then you can decipher it and ultimately decide whether or not the person is lying, or telling the truth. Below are the most common traits of a liar.
 
Body Language Of A Liar:
·       Liar’s physical movements will be limited and stiff.
·       Little arm and hand movement
·       In some cases, they will avoid eye contact. There could also be numerous other reasons they are avoiding eye contact. Some people may have social disabilities, or it may even appear they are avoiding eye contact, but they are just looking at something. Other reasons could be cultural, or someone is embarrassed. You have to take all these factors into account before you make a judgment. The best thing you can do when someone is avoiding eye contact is to think about the persons normal behavior. If he normally maintains eye contact when he talks to you, and all the sudden he breaks it that might be a little suspicious.
·       Hands are more likely to touch their face or mouth.
·       More likely to scratch behind their ear, or touch their nose
·       Not likely to touch his chest with an open hand
·       Sometimes they will shake their heads no as if their saying no but they say yes. This is a subconscious movement, so it means they don’t believe in what they just said. Have you ever seen someone so disgusted at someone, and all they can do is just shake their head? Sometimes liars will look like this when they are speaking.
·       Palms will face down when they are lying, because the subconscious mind thinks you are more vulnerable when your palms are face up.
·       Some will place objects between you and themselves, this subconscious act is to create a barrier between you and the liar. It helps give them more reassurance. Be aware of the smallest things they place between you and themselves, such as cups, utensils, chairs, and more.
·        Some people may be described as “illustrators.” An “illustrator” is a person who uses him/her hands while talking, giving hand gestures to aid them in describing something. While an “illustrator” is lying, their hand gestures become drastically less frequent, or even halt completely.
·      Licking your lips after saying something is a strong sign of deception. When people get nervous, their saliva glands cease to produce saliva, and our mouths become dry. There are two reasons why a person could lick their lips after saying something. They are either nervous, or are uncomfortable with what they just said.
·   Touching the collarbone. When a man touches his collarbone while speaking, or being spoken too, it signals insecurity. This subconscious movement is unusual for men. However, when women touch their collarbone it indicates stress.
   Just because the person exhibits 1 of these behaviors does not mean they are lying. If they are exhibiting 3 or 4 of them, chances are he is. Just remember, to think about their normal behavior while you decide if they are lying."
(http://www.humanliedetection.com/BodyLa ... fLiars.php (http://www.humanliedetection.com/BodyLanguageOfLiars.php))

Watch a trained speaker lie (the forehead):
[youtube:2km0kj1s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSDAXGXGiEw[/youtube:2km0kj1s]
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: longlivetheking on June 22, 2010, 05:42:37 PM
PLUS WHEN LISTENING TO INTERVIEW WAY TOO MANY UMMS, AHHS....  AT LEAST IMO...
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: pepper on June 22, 2010, 06:05:58 PM
At first I thought I saw his black fedora...   but after I watched it about 15 times, trying to pause and slow down the video, I see the paramedics, their arm patches could be mistaken for his face mask - but when I compare the positioning of the paramedics in the "official" still of the ambulance shot, their positions do not match in comparison to the equipment in the background, and I actually think I only see one paramedic in the video.

(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/218923/80678247.jpg)
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/80678247/ (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/80678247/)

So obviously they had more than one videographer, because this ABC video of Ben's is a different viewpoint of the van pulling out than the one from Hollywood TV at this link-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU)

And did they really have enough time for both the videographer AND a still photographer to both take those photos at the ambulance window?

And interesting how Ben says 2 fans, 2 autograph seekers and 4 photographers were all that were outside the gate. At 1:33 he says "It was actually pretty quiet THIS DAY"  So was this photographed THIS DAY and the video with the tour bus from STAR Tours outside was filmed the OTHER DAY?  ;)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: TracyK on June 22, 2010, 06:07:51 PM
I don't see anything but the paramedic... I have the pics to prove my point, but they are too big for this forum for some reason.
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: DancingTheDream on June 22, 2010, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: "TracyK"
I don't see anything but the paramedic... I have the pics to prove my point, but they are too big for this forum for some reason.

Must be me going mad.  I see MJ in a white mask sitting up.  May be an optical illusion, but i wasnt looking for it and it popped out to me
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: dragonflylilies on June 22, 2010, 07:31:39 PM
Ok I saw that too!!!  I saw a person with a white mask and what looks to be sunglasses on.  Just as soon as that person saw the photographer he moved out of the way quickly.  I have watched this about 20 times very close up.  At one point I was going cross eyed.  But, I know what I saw and this is awesome.
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: TracyK on June 22, 2010, 07:46:34 PM
I can see the paramedic move his arm but that's it.
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Hazzely on June 23, 2010, 08:42:04 AM
This is what I see

(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7140/69818141.png) (http://img227.imageshack.us/i/69818141.png/)

I see one of the paramedics standing in this one..

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/263/35138209.png) (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/35138209.png/)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Hazzely on June 23, 2010, 08:57:14 AM
OMG!!

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9404/omgpq.png) (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/omgpq.png/)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: jacilovesmichael on June 23, 2010, 09:41:00 AM
Interesting how he says Michael "passed away" each time instead of "died", and he hesitates each time before saying it.
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: CC on June 23, 2010, 10:06:56 AM
IS HE SMILING WHEN HE LOOKS THE SCREEN???
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Truth_or_Dare on June 23, 2010, 10:31:01 AM
OMG! That looks like him...well someone with a fedora hat and a mask ( you can only assume it's him)..but who ever it is...he should not be there...in the second sceenshot you can even see him eyes a little bit...
This is great proof that it was not a real emergency...and many no one really died that day either ( a double i mean).
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Sternschen87 on June 23, 2010, 10:50:51 AM
sorry, but what do you see? i see only a person next to the bench
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Sternschen87 on June 23, 2010, 11:08:06 AM
Quote from: "Hazzely"
OMG!!

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9404/omgpq.png) (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/omgpq.png/)

sorry but this is the shadow on the ground...
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Missyb007 on June 23, 2010, 11:10:14 AM
Yet another slipup made by mr Evanstad.

At 0:42 When they show the clip of someone filming through the gates (with this "Michael person" standing up from behind a car or something) Ben says: "And that's when they bring Michael out....On the euh stretcher euh You see him for a split second, The bodyguard and a fan also uh trying very hard for the video NOT to be taken" .. lmao.. thank you Ben :)  .. wonder why they tried so hard heah ;) he mentiones a bodyguard ( i see him) he mentiones a fan( see it too) but he doesn't mention the "guy" standing up..whats up with that?
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Sternschen87 on June 23, 2010, 11:12:53 AM
i see this person
is it michael? i don'tknow
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Sternschen87 on June 23, 2010, 11:18:08 AM
and who is this one?
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Missyb007 on June 23, 2010, 11:20:05 AM
lmao now... I see "another picture" of michael looking upwards directly into the camera with this mask over his nose/mouth and hair almost over his left eye... maybe i just want to see it i dunno i'll try photoshopping the picture to see if there really is something there haha..

(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/810/michaelj.jpg)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Sternschen87 on June 23, 2010, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: "Missyb007"
lmao now... I see "another picture" of michael looking upwards directly into the camera with this mask over his nose/mouth... maybe i just want to see it i dunno i'll try photoshopping the picture to see if there really is something there haha..

(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/810/michaelj.jpg)

it is the arm of the paramedic..
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Missyb007 on June 23, 2010, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: "Sternschen87"
Quote from: "Missyb007"
lmao now... I see "another picture" of michael looking upwards directly into the camera with this mask over his nose/mouth... maybe i just want to see it i dunno i'll try photoshopping the picture to see if there really is something there haha..

(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/810/michaelj.jpg)

it is the arm of the paramedic..

Lol ok.. like I said... maybe i want to see something that isnt there, im never good at "spotting faces" in these kind of pictures
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Hazzely on June 23, 2010, 11:59:59 AM
Quote from: "Sternschen87"
Quote from: "Hazzely"
OMG!!

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9404/omgpq.png) (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/omgpq.png/)

sorry but this is the shadow on the ground...

It's not, I got other pics taken from the video and that's not a shadow..
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Lee.H on June 23, 2010, 12:18:55 PM
He's not even a good liar  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: alovesmichael on June 23, 2010, 12:29:11 PM
Hm, not sure what I see... Since you've already mentioned Michael with a mask on I kind of see that too but I can't honestly say that I would've seen that if noone had mentioned it  :? . Btw, a FAN tried to stop them from filming Michael being carried out on the stretcher?!  :shock:  Where is this FAN, why haven't we heard anything from him/her?! Why won't anyone speak?! Bad feeling again... :(
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: sk2001 on June 23, 2010, 04:05:29 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Check this out:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/michae ... d-10974241 (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/michael-jackson-ambulance-neverland-10974241)

Watch the interview and tell me what you see at 1:53

Also.. i have no idea why it says "Ambulance at Neverland"



ok my biggest issue here is- if you watch the video, at about .52 sec, he shows how they saw mj on a stretcher being loaded into the ambulance and the bgs were trying to hide that lil area at the gate so pics aren't taken right?? well if you google images  or search for  this house online, there is a lil driveway from the front of the house to the gate..  this is where the round about is in the house too. so if ben and his team were able to capture a second of them loading the stretcher near the gate, does that mean they wheeled him  from the front door of the house?? am i makin sense?? i mean why would they have to bring the stretcher to the gate and not just load it at the entrance of the house by the roundabout
heres a picture of the house and you see what i mean with a driveway-
http://www.apfn.org/images/images2/100% ... d%20dr.jpg (http://www.apfn.org/images/images2/100%20N%20Carolwood%20dr.jpg)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 23, 2010, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: "Hazzely"
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7140/69818141.png) (http://img227.imageshack.us/i/69818141.png/)

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/263/35138209.png) (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/35138209.png/)


I see a paramedic as well, look at his badge. The fun part is that he has long sleeves, while the one on the official pic has short sleeves ;)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Loud on June 23, 2010, 04:26:01 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Hazzely"
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7140/69818141.png) (http://img227.imageshack.us/i/69818141.png/)

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/263/35138209.png) (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/35138209.png/)


I see a paramedic as well, look at his badge. The fun part is that he has long sleeves, while the one on the official pic has short sleeves ;)

To me the picture is not clear enough to say that his sleeves are shot or long. Sorry
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: samsuperb on June 23, 2010, 07:38:48 PM
Quote from: "Hazzely"
OMG!!

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9404/omgpq.png) (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/omgpq.png/)
could you please tell me what are you looking at?
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: samsuperb on June 23, 2010, 07:45:38 PM
"Thousands of years we never knew that he was goin to passed away"!

WTF? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Hazzely on June 23, 2010, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: "samsuperb"
Quote from: "Hazzely"
OMG!!

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9404/omgpq.png) (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/omgpq.png/)
could you please tell me what are you looking at?

I think it's obivous that looks like what we've seen in the pic we got from Ben. (At least to me)
That doesn't mean it was Michael, still, I see a person lying on the stretcher.

_______________________________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________________________

And about the mask, that's just an illusion, it's not a mask is just a symbol on the paramedic's uniform:

(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1274/uniform.png) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/uniform.png/)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: whatyourheartsays on June 23, 2010, 10:50:51 PM
The only thing I find strange is that bodyguard take everybody out from the home but there is A FAN, inside, trying to keep paparazzi away ??

So

there was no more employee
there was only bodyguard
there was one fan INSIDE, at the door, trying to prevent video to be taken (ok we see him on the video)
There are paramedics with there own clothes from paramedics guy
There is Michael Jackson supposedly DEAD, so not stand on his 2 feet

SO WHO THE HELL IS THE GUY WITH BLUE SHIRT STANDING NEAR THE AMBULANCE INSIDE THE HOUSE, THAT CAN BE SEEN BETWEEN THE GATES ??? :shock:

When Ben says "there was a bodyguard and a fan" did you notice how he is looking for his words right after "hum..to euh...trying very hard for video not to be taken...Then he looks somewhere else...

What happen Ben ? You are ashamed you took the video of Michael dead, or do you realise Michael can be seen on the video, while you're watching it again ?
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: mrbigshot on June 23, 2010, 10:57:50 PM
yeah, guys I don't know what you see in that ambulance but to me I honestly don't see anything but a paramedic inside. No faces, no masks, nothing of the sort. don'tlet your imagination get the best of you!
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: cin_pyt on June 23, 2010, 11:01:40 PM
BEN YOU CAN TELL IS NOT SAYING DA WHOLE STORY
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Hazzely on June 23, 2010, 11:20:04 PM
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
The only thing I find strange is that bodyguard take everybody out from the home but there is A FAN, inside, trying to keep paparazzi away ??

So

there was no more employee
there was only bodyguard
there was one fan INSIDE, at the door, trying to prevent video to be taken (ok we see him on the video)
There are paramedics with there own clothes from paramedics guy
There is Michael Jackson supposedly DEAD, so not stand on his 2 feet

SO WHO THE HELL IS THE GUY WITH BLUE SHIRT STANDING NEAR THE AMBULANCE INSIDE THE HOUSE, THAT CAN BE SEEN BETWEEN THE GATES ??? :shock:

When Ben says "there was a bodyguard and a fan" did you notice how he is looking for his words right after "hum..to euh...trying very hard for video not to be taken...Then he looks somewhere else...

What happen Ben ? You are ashamed you took the video of Michael dead, or do you realise Michael can be seen on the video, while you're watching it again ?

The man wearing that blue shirt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: mjthelegendlives on June 23, 2010, 11:27:41 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "TracyK"
I don't see anything but the paramedic... I have the pics to prove my point, but they are too big for this forum for some reason.

Must be me going mad.  I see MJ in a white mask sitting up.  May be an optical illusion, but i wasnt looking for it and it popped out to me

I usually dont believe in these things, but I must say that I saw the same thing  :shock: ...Someone wearing a white mask and looking straight at the camera with huge eyes, like they're afraid, while sitting up.  I didn't see this right away, just after probably 10 times, and its actually at 1:54 where I saw it.
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Hazzely on June 23, 2010, 11:33:04 PM
Quote from: "mjthelegendlives"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "TracyK"
I don't see anything but the paramedic... I have the pics to prove my point, but they are too big for this forum for some reason.

Must be me going mad.  I see MJ in a white mask sitting up.  May be an optical illusion, but i wasnt looking for it and it popped out to me

I usually dont believe in these things, but I must say that I saw the same thing  :shock: ...Someone wearing a white mask and looking straight at the camera with huge eyes, like they're afraid, while sitting up.  I didn't see this right away, just after probably 10 times, and its actually at 1:54 where I saw it.

Did you read all the posts and watch those photos? That's just an illusion.
There's no mask, just paramedic's uniform.
Why you only see what you WANT to see? :S
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: samsuperb on June 23, 2010, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: "Hazzely"
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
The only thing I find strange is that bodyguard take everybody out from the home but there is A FAN, inside, trying to keep paparazzi away ??

So

there was no more employee
there was only bodyguard
there was one fan INSIDE, at the door, trying to prevent video to be taken (ok we see him on the video)
There are paramedics with there own clothes from paramedics guy
There is Michael Jackson supposedly DEAD, so not stand on his 2 feet

SO WHO THE HELL IS THE GUY WITH BLUE SHIRT STANDING NEAR THE AMBULANCE INSIDE THE HOUSE, THAT CAN BE SEEN BETWEEN THE GATES ??? :shock:

When Ben says "there was a bodyguard and a fan" did you notice how he is looking for his words right after "hum..to euh...trying very hard for video not to be taken...Then he looks somewhere else...

What happen Ben ? You are ashamed you took the video of Michael dead, or do you realise Michael can be seen on the video, while you're watching it again ?

The man wearing that blue shirt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU)
The fire truck was also the nu,ber 71?? :lol:
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: mjthelegendlives on June 24, 2010, 12:02:15 AM
Quote from: "Hazzely"
Quote from: "mjthelegendlives"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "TracyK"
I don't see anything but the paramedic... I have the pics to prove my point, but they are too big for this forum for some reason.

Must be me going mad.  I see MJ in a white mask sitting up.  May be an optical illusion, but i wasnt looking for it and it popped out to me

I usually dont believe in these things, but I must say that I saw the same thing  :shock: ...Someone wearing a white mask and looking straight at the camera with huge eyes, like they're afraid, while sitting up.  I didn't see this right away, just after probably 10 times, and its actually at 1:54 where I saw it.

Did you read all the posts and watch those photos? That's just an illusion.
There's no mask, just paramedic's uniform.
Why you only see what you WANT to see? :S

Yes, I read all the posts and saw those pictures.  I dont see what I want to see, I see what I see.  Those pics you posted are a bit blurry, and the least they look to me is something like  the badge on the paramedic's  uniform.  If that white spot is  part of their uniform, then this paramedic is headless. There is a split second in that video where I can see  a person with wide eyes looking straight at the camera.  I cant tell if its MJ, of course, but to me it seemed like a person's half-covered face, and not like a paramedic's uniform badge, sorry.  Maybe its the illusion of someone's face or  maybe is the illusion of the paramedic's badge.
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: whatyourheartsays on June 24, 2010, 12:54:15 AM
Quote from: "Hazzely"
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
The only thing I find strange is that bodyguard take everybody out from the home but there is A FAN, inside, trying to keep paparazzi away ??

So

there was no more employee
there was only bodyguard
there was one fan INSIDE, at the door, trying to prevent video to be taken (ok we see him on the video)
There are paramedics with there own clothes from paramedics guy
There is Michael Jackson supposedly DEAD, so not stand on his 2 feet

SO WHO THE HELL IS THE GUY WITH BLUE SHIRT STANDING NEAR THE AMBULANCE INSIDE THE HOUSE, THAT CAN BE SEEN BETWEEN THE GATES ??? :shock:

When Ben says "there was a bodyguard and a fan" did you notice how he is looking for his words right after "hum..to euh...trying very hard for video not to be taken...Then he looks somewhere else...

What happen Ben ? You are ashamed you took the video of Michael dead, or do you realise Michael can be seen on the video, while you're watching it again ?

The man wearing that blue shirt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU)

Thank you  :D

Who's got my Jacket ? Where's my Jacket please ! God, I need my Jacket... :lol:
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: LadyMedic on June 24, 2010, 06:09:40 AM
Quote from: "samsuperb"
Quote from: "Hazzely"
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
The only thing I find strange is that bodyguard take everybody out from the home but there is A FAN, inside, trying to keep paparazzi away ??

So

there was no more employee
there was only bodyguard
there was one fan INSIDE, at the door, trying to prevent video to be taken (ok we see him on the video)
There are paramedics with there own clothes from paramedics guy
There is Michael Jackson supposedly DEAD, so not stand on his 2 feet

SO WHO THE HELL IS THE GUY WITH BLUE SHIRT STANDING NEAR THE AMBULANCE INSIDE THE HOUSE, THAT CAN BE SEEN BETWEEN THE GATES ??? :shock:

When Ben says "there was a bodyguard and a fan" did you notice how he is looking for his words right after "hum..to euh...trying very hard for video not to be taken...Then he looks somewhere else...

What happen Ben ? You are ashamed you took the video of Michael dead, or do you realise Michael can be seen on the video, while you're watching it again ?

The man wearing that blue shirt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU)
The fire truck was also the nu,ber 71?? :lol:
Yes. This is very common. Departments typically use their same department number for their apparatus. So some places may have a Rescue 71, Engine 71, Tanker 71, Forestry 71, etc. Sometimes they add another number such as Rescue 532, Engine 232, Service 632, etc.
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: LadyMedic on June 24, 2010, 07:09:49 AM
I want to mention this because I haven't seen it brought up. The person lifting the stretcher seems to be the same person that is walking in to UCLA pushing the stretcher (which some people believe is Michael sitting up on the stretcher). Look at the hair. It makes a lot of sense. I also want to mention that the person lifting the stretcher definitely had a patient on it. You can tell by the manner in which he lifts it. There's definitely weight on the stretcher.
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Kirsche on June 24, 2010, 08:03:23 AM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "TracyK"
I don't see anything but the paramedic... I have the pics to prove my point, but they are too big for this forum for some reason.

Must be me going mad.  I see MJ in a white mask sitting up.  May be an optical illusion, but i wasnt looking for it and it popped out to me


yes, same here!
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on June 24, 2010, 08:23:51 AM
This is all coming together....we see you Michael!!!
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Kirsche on June 24, 2010, 09:44:54 AM
Okay I watched it again and yes it's paramedic inside the amb.  But no Michael....

But compared with the ambulance pic, the inside of the truck doesn't match with the inside we see on the amb.  Know what I mean?

And did anybody see his body on that stretcher for the split second? I don't. Only the person with that blue shirt on ( Is that supposed to tbe the fan or who is it?)

And I still think it's very odd, that it was so quiet there...Just him and the 3 other guys and 2 fans....
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: CC on June 24, 2010, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Okay I watched it again and yes it's paramedic inside the amb.  But no Michael....

But compared with the ambulance pic, the inside of the truck doesn't match with the inside we see on the amb.  Know what I mean?

And did anybody see his body on that stretcher for the split second? I don't. Only the person with that blue shirt on ( Is that supposed to tbe the fan or who is it?)

And I still think it's very odd, that it was so quiet there...Just him and the 3 other guys and 2 fans....

THE BLUE SHIRT PERSON IS MJ, DOT.
BEN SAY IN THAT VIDEO THAT MICHAEL... BLABLABLA IN THE SECOND WE SEE THIS BLUESHIRT PERSON ;)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Kirsche on June 24, 2010, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: "CC"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Okay I watched it again and yes it's paramedic inside the amb.  But no Michael....

But compared with the ambulance pic, the inside of the truck doesn't match with the inside we see on the amb.  Know what I mean?

And did anybody see his body on that stretcher for the split second? I don't. Only the person with that blue shirt on ( Is that supposed to tbe the fan or who is it?)

And I still think it's very odd, that it was so quiet there...Just him and the 3 other guys and 2 fans....

THE BLUE SHIRT PERSON IS MJ, DOT.
BEN SAY IN THAT VIDEO THAT MICHAEL... BLABLABLA IN THE SECOND WE SEE THIS BLUESHIRT PERSON ;)

ooooh dammit I think I have to watch it again and look even more closer  :D


IDK But could it be other paramedic who's also guiding out the ambulance out of the property? Because it looks like this person has short hair...but like I said...it's too fast to recognize...it could also be MJ...I think have squared eyes now
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Hazzely on June 24, 2010, 10:49:26 AM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "CC"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Okay I watched it again and yes it's paramedic inside the amb.  But no Michael....

But compared with the ambulance pic, the inside of the truck doesn't match with the inside we see on the amb.  Know what I mean?

And did anybody see his body on that stretcher for the split second? I don't. Only the person with that blue shirt on ( Is that supposed to tbe the fan or who is it?)

And I still think it's very odd, that it was so quiet there...Just him and the 3 other guys and 2 fans....

THE BLUE SHIRT PERSON IS MJ, DOT.
BEN SAY IN THAT VIDEO THAT MICHAEL... BLABLABLA IN THE SECOND WE SEE THIS BLUESHIRT PERSON ;)

ooooh dammit I think I have to watch it again and look even more closer  :D

Quote from: "Hazzely"
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
The only thing I find strange is that bodyguard take everybody out from the home but there is A FAN, inside, trying to keep paparazzi away ??

So

there was no more employee
there was only bodyguard
there was one fan INSIDE, at the door, trying to prevent video to be taken (ok we see him on the video)
There are paramedics with there own clothes from paramedics guy
There is Michael Jackson supposedly DEAD, so not stand on his 2 feet

SO WHO THE HELL IS THE GUY WITH BLUE SHIRT STANDING NEAR THE AMBULANCE INSIDE THE HOUSE, THAT CAN BE SEEN BETWEEN THE GATES ??? :shock:

When Ben says "there was a bodyguard and a fan" did you notice how he is looking for his words right after "hum..to euh...trying very hard for video not to be taken...Then he looks somewhere else...

What happen Ben ? You are ashamed you took the video of Michael dead, or do you realise Michael can be seen on the video, while you're watching it again ?

The man wearing that blue shirt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU)

Not Michael
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Mj5StarChick on June 24, 2010, 11:10:10 AM
Wow those pictures I had to stare long and hard but I finally see what you guys :D
That is amazing long sleeve short sleeves those EMT's had short sleeves shirts where did the long sleeve paramedic come from ;) ???
I still have 1 question that's heavy on my shoulders about this ambulance stuff. If this has already been answered sorry for me being slow but please bare with me. If this is so "real" then how come they were loading Michael in the truck the wrong way? Or did they switch him around? Because his head was suppose to go first just in case the doors fly open and the patient rolls out they will go feet first :? That is what's had me all this time about that ambulance stuff not being real because that's basic procedure :?
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: LadyMedic on June 24, 2010, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: "Mj5StarChick"
Wow those pictures I had to stare long and hard but I finally see what you guys :D
That is amazing long sleeve short sleeves those EMT's had short sleeves shirts where did the long sleeve paramedic come from ;) ???
I still have 1 question that's heavy on my shoulders about this ambulance stuff. If this has already been answered sorry for me being slow but please bare with me. If this is so "real" then how come they were loading Michael in the truck the wrong way? Or did they switch him around? Because his head was suppose to go first just in case the doors fly open and the patient rolls out they will go feet first :? That is what's had me all this time about that ambulance stuff not being real because that's basic procedure :?
He's being put in head first. It's impossible to do it any other way.
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: Grace on June 24, 2010, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: "sk2001"
so if ben and his team were able to capture a second of them loading the stretcher near the gate, does that mean they wheeled him  from the front door of the house??  

You know, it was an emergency that needed to be witnessed.
Everything needed some proof.
We were even given proofs of proof. (Ben's pic of Christopher taking "the" pic.)
So it was creation of heavy duty evidence.

When do you need that?
When you want to make sure that the evidence gets to where it is intended to go and nothing must go wrong about it.
Double safety layer to get a very important case straight by all means.

We remember that the ambulance was backing out from around the middle of the court.
The shots at the gate would mean that they wheeled the person to the gate to get some blurry evidence pictures while putting the stretcher in the ambulance at the gate.
Then the ambulance would manage to get back and fourth up to the middle of the court for the backing out scene.

These "different proof shots" at different angles tell me that not only the videos on the street were produced at least twice (with pylones, without pylones etc., different shadow lengths) as we have seen but also that there are several shots for inside videos - or that this speaks for two ambulances: one near the gate hidden and the one  backing out from the middle of the court that we were presented in the first videos.

Ben said they were several persons shooting. But this does not explain the different videos and his very obvious difficulties to explain the story.
At least he bought himself a new bosses' chair for this interview ...  ;)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: sk2001 on June 24, 2010, 04:06:54 PM
yah i agree. i'm so glad i made sense! it was seriously off that an ambulance was called by the patient loaded away from his house- near the gate- so it could be snapped lol
keep the clues comin!



Quote from: "Grace"
Quote from: "sk2001"
so if ben and his team were able to capture a second of them loading the stretcher near the gate, does that mean they wheeled him  from the front door of the house??  

You know, it was an emergency that needed to be witnessed.
Everything needed some proof.
We were even given proofs of proof. (Ben's pic of Christopher taking "the" pic.)
So it was creation of heavy duty evidence.

When do you need that?
When you want to make sure that the evidence gets to where it is intended to go and nothing must go wrong about it.
Double safety layer to get a very important case straight by all means.

We remember that the ambulance was backing out from around the middle of the court.
The shots at the gate would mean that they wheeled the person to the gate to get some blurry evidence pictures while putting the stretcher in the ambulance at the gate.
Then the ambulance would manage to get back and fourth up to the middle of the court for the backing out scene.

These "different proof shots" at different angles tell me that not only the videos on the street were produced at least twice (with pylones, without pylones etc., different shadow lengths) as we have seen but also that there are several shots for inside videos - or that this speaks for two ambulances: one near the gate hidden and the one  backing out from the middle of the court that we were presented in the first videos.

Ben said they were several persons shooting. But this does not explain the different videos and his very obvious difficulties to explain the story.
At least he bought himself a new bosses' chair for this interview ...  ;)
Title: Re: NEW! Interview with Ben Evestad - what do you see??
Post by: mrmikeworld on August 12, 2010, 03:21:57 PM
Anyone able to take stills of the stretcher being put into the ambulance from behind the gate. I saw people mention seeing it going in, but I can't... not sure if anyone can get a good shot from that video?
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