Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => Everyone Else => Dave Dave => Topic started by: Leah-Kim on December 09, 2009, 04:02:33 PM
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Dave Dave used to go by the name David Jordan Robinson after he was burned and if you google that name more info comes up and more pics.. he also went by David Tothenburg and now Dave Dave...
So if we google all of his alias we get more info and pics..
David Rothenburg
David Jordan Robinson
David Tothenburg
Dave Dave
Tothenburg http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/dail ... 3li779.htm (http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/03-97/03-01-97/b03li779.htm)
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wow the first picture almost looks like he has NO right hand at all.. if we could make this clear, than we know for certain it wasnt this dave on the LKL show :)
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Interesting...wonder why he never mentioned the Jordan Robinson name on LKL. He only mentioned the Rotherberg one....
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Interesting...wonder why he never mentioned the Jordan Robinson name on LKL. He only mentioned the Rotherberg one....
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These pics are from the same shoot:
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Here's another one:
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Here
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You can tell on the 7th pic that there are a bit of fingers.
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I wish we could get a side by side pic of # 10 pic with the LKL dave, cause thats the closest I've seen yet.
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Good Lord he's thin !
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These pictures alone prove that it was MJ on LKL. The real Dave Dave is above average male height, whilst MJ is of average male height. Look at the CNN footage available on YouTube. The MJ "DD" is shown walking through a foyer somewhere amongst others. You can directly compare heights with people around. This "DD"is also shown walking up some steps to greet a woman at the restaurant entrance. The female looks of average female height and this "DD" is not substantially taller. Look how much taller the real DD is compared with I believe his Mother.
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These pictures alone prove that it was MJ on LKL. The real Dave Dave is above average male height, whilst MJ is of average male height. Look at the CNN footage available on YouTube. The MJ "DD" is shown walking through a foyer somewhere amongst others. You can directly compare heights with people around. This "DD"is also shown walking up some steps to greet a woman at the restaurant entrance. The female looks of average female height and this "DD" is not substantially taller. Look how much taller the real DD is compared with I believe his Mother.
Where did you see "DD" walking through a foyer somewhere amongst others? Do you have a link to the video? Thank you! :P
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joyaboya, You can find this video on YouTube. Type in "Dave Dave" and go into this video. On the right hand side where it lists related video's look for the video titled "Michael Jackson Befriends Burned Boy" duration 1:46. This video shows my last posts "evidence". I'm sorry I can't provide links. No good at that sort of stuff.
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OMG!! :O I was shocked when I saw this! :shock:
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People, I must say in addition nothing...
Dave Dave with LKL had unnaturally wide shoulder, far few fire scars (other skin picture also with Make up???) these eyes, voice his behavior ... it must simply have been someone else with Larry!
One saw him in a video (believes to LKL in the car) and also when he got out this figure absolutely differently .... this are evident 2 different persons.
Dave with LKL the hands looked like prosthesis (one sees with features)
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gosh, I really don't understand DD.. :?
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The eyes are what gives it away for me. DD has blue eyes and the LKL DD had brown eyes. Now I know that you can use colored contacts and change your eye color but it just makes no sense to me why the real DD would do that. There was something in those eyes that was so familiar.
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First of all I'm sorry I couldnt get a clear still shot maybe someone else can do it?
What I wanted to say:
DO these hands look like eachother?
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/9417/50603797.jpg)
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5922/dd1t.jpg)
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/204/dd2ly.jpg)
To me the "DD" on the LK show has thinner fingers than the "real DD" or is it just my mind messing with me again... oh and another thing the last picture.. does it looks like a rubber sort of mask thingy on his head in the right? near the HUGE vein? :?
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Its hard to get the LKL hand shot i have tried b4 but because of the information on the bottom of the screen it nearly impossible.... But the shoulders are ridiculous on the LKL DD and it doesnt make any sense for DD to wear such an oversized jacket!!!!
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I see it over and over again ... this, nevertheless, the same "Dave" cannot be :?
I agree with you, that compare to the pictures everything states, nevertheless, or? :roll:
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I wish that people live him alone. It´s hard too see how he´s under microscope. If I would be him and I would read all what is written here and all these pics, I would be hurt.
Maybe you are right maybe not, I think those pics doesn´t prove anything. Pics are from older times maybe.
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I would like to take Dave not under the magnifying glass, I am sorry him if we faalsch lie ....... he is certainly nicer guy and this is actually immoral, however, Dave LKL was so different .... like, otherwise, one should do research...
If Dave acts to me sorry :oops:
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I'm not putting him under any microscope, I'm just trying to see just like many of us if it COULD be that michael was dave dave in the LKL show..that doesn't mean I/we want to try and take dave dave down, no, we just want to see if it COULD be...we are not being mean to him, we are not calling him names, just investigating everything that could link to the hoax.. that's all
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I would like to take Dave not under the magnifying glass, I am sorry him if we faalsch lie ....... he is certainly nicer guy and this is actually immoral, however, Dave LKL was so different .... like, otherwise, one should do research...
If Dave acts to me sorry :oops:
We put any possible evidence to proove that MJ is alive under a microscope then we disect it and then we try to debunk it... Thats why we are here..Thats why this site was built along wth all the other hoax sites..
If DD doesnt like it he wouldnt have been writing stupid cryptic clues and messages on his Myspace for the last 5 months!!! He would simply only have said that was ME on LKL not MJ.. Job done we would have left him alone...
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I know acts to me suffer you have surely thought only if we wrong with it lie...
I am not nearly 100-percent of it Persuading the Dave LKL this Dave is... :!:
I probably agreed bad certain one because I Dave so Staring and compare does with him.
Nevertheless, you understand this? :?:
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For many weeks I was almost angry when somebody said DD was MJ on LKL because I thought that's so strange - why should MJ do that and how bad is it for DD that the guys don't hear his wunderful words about MJ! But then I saw the video once more and I began to doubt - close your eyes and listen - That gaves me the creeps :o
The Dave Dave on MySpace has a photo gallery.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=467884263&albumId=516683.
I think it's not the same guy... or he has had further cosmetic operations in the last time.
It's weird that he named his blog "daevdaev" and not "dave dave". What do you think about this?
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Bella,
Thanks this gives me better feeling again that I am right with regard to Dave LKL ;)
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I wish we could get a side by side pic of # 10 pic with the LKL dave, cause thats the closest I've seen yet.
since the interview with DD on LKL i always thought it was MJ
i have looked at the LKL interview i don't know how many times and come to
the same conclusion that the DD on myspace is not the same person on LKL.. but
that's jmo
these two photos do not look like the same men..
the lips of DD (right) in the first photo lips are fuller
on the photo with DD/red scarf his face appears longer than the DD on LKL..
DD on LKL eyes are very dark..just my opinion
(http://i48.tinypic.com/fwr3pf.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/rtnm9y.jpg)
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he has plastic surgeries all the time since the accident..that is why he always looks different
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As far as i am aware and correct me if i am wrong but i have never known anybody to have a "LIP REDUCTION SURGERY" with such dramatic results.. Plus the one pic was taken only 3weeks before LKL and that would not be enough time for the surgery and the healing..
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I wish we could get a side by side pic of # 10 pic with the LKL dave, cause thats the closest I've seen yet.
since the interview with DD on LKL i always thought it was MJ
i have looked at the LKL interview i don't know how many times and come to
the same conclusion that the DD on myspace is not the same person on LKL.. but
that's jmo
these two photos do not look like the same men..
the lips of DD (right) in the first photo lips are fuller
on the photo with DD/red scarf his face appears longer than the DD on LKL..
DD on LKL eyes are very dark..just my opinion
(http://i48.tinypic.com/fwr3pf.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/rtnm9y.jpg)
Also is it me or does it looks like the real dave dave's eye corners are curled down? and the dave dave on LKL has his eye corners curled up a little bit? and.. one eye is bigger of the real Dave Dave .. and not with the Dave Dave in the LKL show?
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he has plastic surgeries all the time since the accident..that is why he always looks different
But that means he changed back to what he used to look like which does not make sense!! His Myspace video that he uploaded on halloween clearly showed him as he was before Larry King..with Big lips, So he could not have had surgery so soon after LKL to go back to his old look.... Just sayin its impossible..
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On LKL Dave Dave said he changed his name to be his 'own person'. It makes me wonder WHEN he allegedly changed his name, or did he just start CALLING himself 'Dave Dave' and did he change it LEGALLY... I was just thinking, that if the 'real' Dave Dave didn't announce that he wanted to drop his surname UNTIL he appeared on Larry King...
Does anyone know? Or did i miss that topic we actually had?
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eye comparison:
DD/Leeza eyes are dark brown... compared to the 2 lower MJ photos.
DD/myspace in the upper right photo eyes are blueish green..so
when would this hoax have started??? DD/Leeza interview was about 1993
skin texture is smooth compared to DD/myspace...just an observation
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just have a look at that blog. scroll down a bit to dave dave. i don´t understand a word, but very interesting pictures!
http://stefano-ercolino.blogspot.com/20 ... chive.html (http://stefano-ercolino.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html)
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DD on LKL was so determined and sure of himself at the show...is he so used to interviews ?? but then, at some moments i felt he was afraid of something, like he didn't want people to see something, i felt like he was gonna go under the table at some point..i still have weird feelings about that show :roll:
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On LKL Dave Dave said he changed his name to be his 'own person'. It makes me wonder WHEN he allegedly changed his name, or did he just start CALLING himself 'Dave Dave' and did he change it LEGALLY... I was just thinking, that if the 'real' Dave Dave didn't announce that he wanted to drop his surname UNTIL he appeared on Larry King...
Does anyone know? Or did i miss that topic we actually had?
Here are his other names
David Rothenburg (ORIGINAL)
David Jordan Robinson (CHANGED AT AGE 14 AFTER MICHAEL JORDAN AND SOMEONE ROBINSON CANT REMEMBER WILL FIND THE LINK AND POST IT.
David Tothenburg (AGE 19 I THINK0
Dave Dave (APRIL 2009 NOT 100% ABOUT THAT)
As far as i can tell his name changes are just requests and are not legally changed.. I found articles with all these names and they all say the same as what was said on LKL about freeing himself of his fathers criminality...Which is why the name change.
Dave Dave is his newest name but without anything other than his Myspace sign up date we will not know when he started using this name..
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Hmmmm.... Dave Dave
Thome Thome
not Very imaginatively....
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Leah-Kim, I wondered how you know the Dave Dave photo was taken only three weeks prior to the Larry King Live interview.
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On the old MJHD was a person who affirmed that he had compared the voices of DD at LKL and MJ.
Does anybody know a person who could do this professionally? This would be helpful wouldn't it?
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Bella,
Yes I can remember one could follow this person for other infos and research Twitter.
Unfortunately, however, who knows no more this member was....
The results were astonishing
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The results were astonishing
Oh yes they were - but I'm not sure if we could trust him. He was just saying "it's the same" - maybe he was just a troll, who knows, thats the problem. So if someone knows the man or anyone else... :?:
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Bella,
This would be good if to itself somebody could remind.
So pity that all research results of the MJHD virtually got lost .... I was present from the outset :?
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Hum...
About comparing the two voices, I tried to search for something we could have done ourselves but as I tought we can't !
Well that's not a surprise !
But have you already tought about asking an expert ? Like you've done before for others subjects ?
I've found a page ! maybe we could email them ?
http://expertpages.com/all/522.htm?sort=state (http://expertpages.com/all/522.htm?sort=state)
and this :
http://www.almexperts.com/ExpertWitness ... 27417.html (http://www.almexperts.com/ExpertWitness/experts_and_consultants/1127417.html)
I've emailed two experts.I asked them if it would be possible for us to have any way to compare two voices.There is a chance that they won't even answer to me or that they say that we don't have right to do that or that it would be costly but
at least we can try.
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I will say this again - I had not heard of Dave before 25 June. Has anyone else ever heard of him before? Since MJ's supposed death, Dave has become a celebrity, even making records and doing interviews. Would this have happened if MJ was still here?
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Dave if a lot of attention has attained therefore really (show LKL)
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The whole Dave Dave thing is just weird. It is almost impossible to prove anything. However, when I first watched the interview (without expecting anything odd), Dave Dave's eyes are what got me. Before he even spoke, just how he looked into the camera. And I also felt the things he said were chosen very carefully. And he spoke so slowly. Almost as if to give people a chance to figure it out. I really think it was Michael. And I think the real Dave Dave would give him permission to do this as a way to "repay" him for his unconditional friendship throughout his life.
PS. now Dave Dave has music on his myspace page. since when has he been a musician? Or is this common knowledge?
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Also is it me or does it looks like the real dave dave's eye corners are curled down? and the dave dave on LKL has his eye corners curled up a little bit? and.. one eye is bigger of the real Dave Dave .. and not with the Dave Dave in the LKL show?
Very good point...or maybe the eye-liner did a "miracle".
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DD on LKL was so determined and sure of himself at the show...is he so used to interviews ?? but then, at some moments i felt he was afraid of something, like he didn't want people to see something, i felt like he was gonna go under the table at some point..i still have weird feelings about that show :roll:
Yes i think the same :he was looking down a bit .... swallowing like a scared person....BUT he was always interrupting Mr.King, like he was used to interviews...like Michael did with Bashir in the last interview when asked about the surgeries..the accusations..media.[...]
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The whole Dave Dave thing is just weird. It is almost impossible to prove anything. However, when I first watched the interview (without expecting anything odd), Dave Dave's eyes are what got me. Before he even spoke, just how he looked into the camera. And I also felt the things he said were chosen very carefully. And he spoke so slowly. Almost as if to give people a chance to figure it out. I really think it was Michael. And I think the real Dave Dave would give him permission to do this as a way to "repay" him for his unconditional friendship throughout his life.
PS. now Dave Dave has music on his myspace page. since when has he been a musician? Or is this common knowledge?
That is my point in my post above - now DD is making records and doing interviews, yet no-one had heard of him before 25 June.
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Leah-Kim, I wondered how you know the Dave Dave photo was taken only three weeks prior to the Larry King Live interview.
Originally on his old private Myspace page that he had before the LKL interview he had posted the picture with the date it was taken.. The person who took the picture was his friend "Andy " i think.. He had wrote comments under the picture.... Anyway when DD started getting more attention the myspace page changed and comments were removed....
Back then DD only had 22 friends before LKL ....And they were real friends with real comments on his page ..
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The whole Dave Dave thing is just weird. It is almost impossible to prove anything. However, when I first watched the interview (without expecting anything odd), Dave Dave's eyes are what got me. Before he even spoke, just how he looked into the camera. And I also felt the things he said were chosen very carefully. And he spoke so slowly. Almost as if to give people a chance to figure it out. I really think it was Michael. And I think the real Dave Dave would give him permission to do this as a way to "repay" him for his unconditional friendship throughout his life.
PS. now Dave Dave has music on his myspace page. since when has he been a musician? Or is this common knowledge?
That is my point in my post above - now DD is making records and doing interviews, yet no-one had heard of him before 25 June.
That is crazy! I wouldn't be surprised if it is Michael and he's posting some of his new music on there (Although I haven't listened to it yet, is it any good?). OR of course, Dave is just using this newfound fame to create a name for himself. Either way, he is in on this and Michael is okay with him using it. Also, I noticed Dave gets a lot of messages and questions about the hoax, wouldn't you think if it were false, he would set the record straight? If someone I loved died, and people accused them of faking it, that would make me very angry. That goes for the whole family though too and everyone who is in on the hoax. Nobody has denied it.
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Leah-Kim, Thank you very much for responding to my question re DD. I just hope DD's new friends on Myspace are there for the right reasons and not there for "getting close to someone who knows MJ".
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The eyes are what gives it away for me. DD has blue eyes and the LKL DD had brown eyes. Now I know that you can use colored contacts and change your eye color but it just makes no sense to me why the real DD would do that. There was something in those eyes that was so familiar.
Depending on the light, his eyes could look brown or green.
Proof:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... &i=5738308 (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=467884263&albumID=516683&imageID=10510084#a=516683&i=5738308)
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Yes, the eyes alone, it is not.
I think we do not lie with our assumptions wrong.......Dave (LKL) = MJ :roll:
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Datroot, I had not heard of Dave Dave prior to this hoax. But I'm sure DD's story was known of in the States. A tv movie of DD's experiences was made about twenty years ago. You can see this on YouTube. I also read on the net (so don't know if true) that DD has produced/directed music videos. As for interviews I have not seen any. The only footage of DD speaking was the message that was on his Myspace a few months ago.
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Datroot, I had not heard of Dave Dave prior to this hoax. But I'm sure DD's story was known of in the States. A tv movie of DD's experiences was made about twenty years ago. You can see this on YouTube. I also read on the net (so don't know if true) that DD has produced/directed music videos. As for interviews I have not seen any. The only footage of DD speaking was the message that was on his Myspace a few months ago.
Thanks mjveritas - the interview I was referring to was the LKL interview - I'm not sure if he has done others or not.