Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => Everyone Else => Dave Dave => Topic started by: DREAMSandTRUTH on July 02, 2010, 09:09:40 AM
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Hi everyone,
I made some comparison photos between Michael and Dave Dave on LKL for those who still doubt it was Michael. Of course, my comparisons may not convince some people either - I only would like to share it with you, as for me, believing that it was Michael, helps the most to believe that he is alive. I thought it can help you too if you start to feel he is gone.
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Here are two more:
You can also watch them on YouTube if you want to see it full screen (there are more from Bad and Michael's speech about Sony)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LugjqbUtSFM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LugjqbUtSFM)
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you really did a great job!!!!!
I am not so sure of Michael disguised as Dave Dave,but this comparison really makes me consider once again the possibility!
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you really did a great job!!!!!
I am not so sure of Michael disguised as Dave Dave,but this comparison really makes me consider once again the possibility!
Thank you!
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By the way I made a long video about Dave Dave's different looks - if someone is interested. Trying to clear up how he really looks like, and who was the DD in the Leeza show - I believe that was Michael also, I made comparisons too. The DD in the B&B was the real DD IMO. I used many photos there, and made many comparisons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQAHKvcj ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQAHKvcjyx8&feature=related) Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0L ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs&feature=related) Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LugjqbUtSFM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LugjqbUtSFM) Part 3 (at the end of it are the comparison photos about DD on LKL, which I attached above)
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DREAMSandTRUTH, Welcome but please don't get me going on Dave Dave again.
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DREAMSandTRUTH, Welcome but please don't get me going on Dave Dave again.
Why? :roll:
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Thanks for sharing your views on tis your photos were intresting Thanks ..Im still 50/50 on th LK interview it certinly didnt look and sound like DaveDave but i just dont know if Michael would do it ..who knows ;)
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DREAMSandTRUTH, Dave Dave has consumed enough of my time and I can't think about it anymore. But good work. :)
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Thanks for posting the photos. I think MJ was DD on LKL. It's good to re visit certain topics to refresh why some of us are here.
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Thank you I realy need this to give my strenght.xxx
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DREAMSandTRUTH, Dave Dave has consumed enough of my time and I can't think about it anymore. But good work. :)
I can understand. It took me very long to make the video, and I don't like to spend time thinking of him since then - it was too much. But I wanted to clear things up about him, as we were really confused of his different looks. And because I believe it was Michael on LKL. I made this video and the comparisons only for those who are still interested in this topic, I don't want anyone to think about it who is fed up with it. If it helps someone, that's good, but that's all wished when I decided to share it with you guys. So again, I understand you :)
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Thank you I realy need this to give my strenght.xxx
I'm glad I could help :)
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Oh may!! How amazing :D . Thank you! Those photos brought a huge smile on my face... I'm sure that DD was indeed MJ on LK's show
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You did a fantastic job. You have a great eye for details and I think you have provided great evidence that it was not Dave Dave (Rothenberg). There is MJ's fullness of face, pursed lips, etc. Another I noticed...the eyebrows!!! You can see they are covered up, but they are there!
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I was like 80/20 in favor of LKL Dave Dave being Michael and now I've crossed the line. You can actually see the eyebrows not quite covered well enough. You did an excellent job of finding photos that matched up! Awesome job indeed.
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Thanks for the videos. The more you look at Dave Dave, the more you realize it was MJ! It looks like Miko and Mike are trying very hard not to crack up! I wonder if Larry King had an idea that something was up.
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Oh god...I got so distracted by those smokin hott beautiful pictures of Michael :oops: Sorry!!!! :lol: :lol:
Great post though ;) MJ as DD on LKL was always a topic I found very strange and intriguing...the similarities (not only in appearance but in tone of voice and word choice) are uncanny.
This might be an awkward compliment but I know most of you agree with me...I've always thought Michael has very nice eyebrows!!
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Thank you guys for the nice words :)
It took long to find the matching photos (watching a huge amount of videos of him to find where he looks the most similar to "DD") but I enjoyed it ;) (What I don't enjoy is this hoax...)
Yes, his eyebrows look as they were there. Someone even draw black eyebrows for him following the line we can see - I don't remember where I saw that...
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I wish that I could see what everyone sees, but i don't. You did good with your comparison pics but I don't think it was MJ.
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I wish that I could see what everyone sees, but i don't. You did good with your comparison pics but I don't think it was MJ.
Hmm... I tried to find pictures of Michael where he is in the same mood as "Dave Dave". When I don't concentrate on the comparisons too much, just simply watching them, I can "see Michael's soul" on the photos of "DD". You know what I mean?
Just watch the comparisons for a while, from a little far (2 meters maybe), and you can see that the two people is the same. At least this is what I see...
Maybe it helps :) Start with the first one where he smiles :) Can you see his cheekbone? It's so typically Michael's cheek.
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I wish that I could see what everyone sees, but i don't. You did good with your comparison pics but I don't think it was MJ.
Hmm... I tried to find pictures of Michael where he is in the same mood as "Dave Dave". When I don't concentrate on the comparisons too much, just simply watching them, I can "see Michael's soul" on the photos of "DD". You know what I mean?
Just watch the comparisons for a while, from a little far (2 meters maybe), and you can see that the two people is the same. At least this is what I see...
Maybe it helps :) Start with the first one where he smiles :) Can you see his cheekbone? It's so typically Michael's cheek.
I know exactly what you mean and your comparison is very good - thank you for that. I "feel" Michael in Dave Dave at Larry, too. The comparison with the "Sony-speech" is what I enjoyed the most. I think there comes the same vibe form him ( in the whole speech).
This LKL show is what keeps me holding on to the hope, that Michael will be back one day.
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It is a good comparison all gestures seem similar
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There is indeed a real Dave Dave but like the real Michael, DD has his own impersonators 8-)
As you know the angles are not 100% matched but keep in mind the eyebrows and eyes. We know Michael has his eyebrows tattooed... although there is makeup available to cover tattoos it seems they were left slightly visible.
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3561/shiwtu.gif)
Sorry for the poor clarity but you will see it is quite a close match.
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5107/browswut2.gif)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3820/browswut.gif)
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I was like 80/20 in favor of LKL Dave Dave being Michael and now I've crossed the line. You can actually see the eyebrows not quite covered well enough. You did an excellent job of finding photos that matched up! Awesome job indeed.
The eyebrows sealed the deal for me - thanks for the great comparisons.
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I will look at this page everytime I have an off day.To my are his beautiful,warm brown eyes what connvinced my of our babys game.Ilove you Michael!
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this is great work. i believed before that MJ is DD on LKL but this is the most convincing when you see the angle of the face that MJ very naturally moves to his left.
the eyebrows that you can see, wow. and, look at the cheekbones. totally MJ's even if the coloration and a little puffiness is present in the DD disguise.
i love the way you show the setting of the mouth when DD and MJ are talking. especially the one that shows MJ's bottom teeth. exactly the same in DD and MJ comparison.
when you add the intonation of the voice and you look into those beautiful brown eyes (aren't the real DD's eyes, blue?) you feel MJ's spirit always through his eyes. undeniable!
we have talked about this alot in the past but the reminder is really helpful on those down or confusing days.
it's also helpful when you think whether MJ will comeback and if he's safe. do you think he'd be in disguise on TELEVISION that soon if he was in danger?
think about it. what does his being in disguise so soon after the announcement tell us about why the Hoax?
dreams and truth -- AWESOME. thank you.
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Thank u soooo much for bring this up again, now im 100 % sure it's him :D, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT
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:? Hmm pretty convincing....
What is bugging me - is the distance BETWEEN the eyes. Michael's eyes are quite widespread. His face is rather square. DD's face appears to be a bit longer and I have an impression that the distance between his eyes is shorter. Can we make a close comparison of DD en face and MJ en face? :?
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:? Hmm pretty convincing....
What is bugging me - is the distance BETWEEN the eyes. Michael's eyes are quite widespread. His face is rather square. DD's face appears to be a bit longer and I have an impression that the distance between his eyes is shorter. Can we make a close comparison of DD en face and MJ en face? :?
You mean something like this?
Don't forget that his glasses distort his eyes a little - as far as I see. And the mask must be put around his eyes (like we could see how it was put on Michael in the Ghosts video) changing the shape of them a bit - making them downward as the real DD's eyes look like.
(I put a little contrast on "Dave"'s photo to see the shape of his eyes better)
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Good comparison! You can see with the glasses and a latex mask or whatever was used that it was possible to change the appearance of the distance between MJ's eyes as if they were closer together. Also regarding the shape of Michael's face, back in the day he did have a square shaped face but recently I think since it's clear he lost a lot of weight I think his face might have slimmed down as well. Plus don't forget he had that mask on.
AND (as it's been stated before) Dave Dave's eyes are blue while the man on Larry King clearly has brown eyes ;)
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I wish that I could see what everyone sees, but i don't. You did good with your comparison pics but I don't think it was MJ.
Hmm... I tried to find pictures of Michael where he is in the same mood as "Dave Dave". When I don't concentrate on the comparisons too much, just simply watching them, I can "see Michael's soul" on the photos of "DD". You know what I mean?
Just watch the comparisons for a while, from a little far (2 meters maybe), and you can see that the two people is the same. At least this is what I see...
Maybe it helps :) Start with the first one where he smiles :) Can you see his cheekbone? It's so typically Michael's cheek.
I didn't become a believer in the hoax until December of last year. That was long after the LKL interview with DD. When that interview came on I had turned my head for a moment and when I turned back to the TV the first thing that came to my mind (and mouth) was "that is Michael"!!! There was something about the way he tilted his head and said a certain phrase that gave me goosebumps when I saw it. That (and the ambulance pic) is what started me down this yellow brick road. I don't ever want DD to be harassed or ridiculed and I don't think Michael would play him without his full cooperation. But to me - that was Michael on LKL. And yes, I thought at the time that Miko seemed amused about something. Great job on the comparisons.
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Thank you guys for this many compliments.
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There is indeed a real Dave Dave but like the real Michael, DD has his own impersonators 8-)
As you know the angles are not 100% matched but keep in mind the eyebrows and eyes. We know Michael has his eyebrows tattooed... although there is makeup available to cover tattoos it seems they were left slightly visible.
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3561/shiwtu.gif)
Sorry for the poor clarity but you will see it is quite a close match.
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5107/browswut2.gif)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3820/browswut.gif)
This is fascinating! How did you do that? Which program did you use?
Thanks for your great work!
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it's also helpful when you think whether MJ will comeback and if he's safe. do you think he'd be in disguise on TELEVISION that soon if he was in danger?
think about it. what does his being in disguise so soon after the announcement tell us about why the Hoax?
This is exactly why I don't think he is/was in any serious danger. If we can see that it's him then his enemies would see it too. This appearance of him would make faking his death pointless if he hoaxed his death because of being in danger. He would have risked that they kidnap someone from his family after they realized that he only fooled them. So no, I don't think he is in danger. And his family doesn't look scared at all either...
I believe he will come back.
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The comparison with the "Sony-speech" is what I enjoyed the most. I think there comes the same vibe form him ( in the whole speech).
This LKL show is what keeps me holding on to the hope, that Michael will be back one day.
Here are more from that speech:
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You have done an incredible job. The best one yet.
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OMG!!thank u for your great job, it's so obvious to me that it's the same person, thank u for confirming it once again
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Yeah! Thank you very much :-* !
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and, if you really look closely and enlarge these images, you can see a prosthesis on DD's nose and chin. You can slightly see a line or difference in coloration.
i'd love to see a couple more comparisons with both Michael and DD in glasses.
i love you Michael -- such genius. i love a man who is clever, yet discreet.
discreetness is sexy. 8-)
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INCREDIBLE :D
I don't have any doubts since the beginning ..the first time i saw Dave on LKL i have cried a loooooot,cried of happiness..i have screamed 'HE IS ALIVE,IT'S HIM !!!" it's crazy !such a genius he is ..i love to watch this video of LKL,i love to look in his eyes,it's like his eyes talk to me and tell me "don't worry,"don't you see me?",and i think it's the same feeling for all of you :lol:
Congratulation for your work !
I love this subject !we can't have any doubts about this..it's soooooo clear to me ...
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Good comparison! You can see with the glasses and a latex mask or whatever was used that it was possible to change the appearance of the distance between MJ's eyes as if they were closer together. Also regarding the shape of Michael's face, back in the day he did have a square shaped face but recently I think since it's clear he lost a lot of weight I think his face might have slimmed down as well. Plus don't forget he had that mask on.
Yes, I also think the latex (or what) mask caused that the distance between his eyes look shorter. They had to cover Michael's ears with it and put fake ears on the mask - which ended up making him a much wider face - but only around his eyes and ears. At his mouth and chin the mask is not that wide.
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I also find it important to note that the shape of his eyes were made a little downward-looking by this mask (to imitate the real DD's eyes). I can see a puffiness on Michael's eyelids which -as I can see- are clearly fake.
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it's also helpful when you think whether MJ will comeback and if he's safe. do you think he'd be in disguise on TELEVISION that soon if he was in danger?
think about it. what does his being in disguise so soon after the announcement tell us about why the Hoax?
This is exactly why I don't think he is/was in any serious danger. If we can see that it's him then his enemies would see it too. This appearance of him would make faking his death pointless if he hoaxed his death because of being in danger. He would have risked that they kidnap someone from his family after they realized that he only fooled them. So no, I don't think he is in danger. And his family doesn't look scared at all either...
I believe he will come back.
I agree this confirms he's not in real danger nor his family. I'm so happy you're here. Your excellent skills are a benefit to us all. Though I know we have explored this topic plenty in the past, you put something fresh and new into it. IMO the DD impersonation is one of the best proofs MJ is alive and doing his thing.
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...As I said .it is a great job!!
Just one question...why do you think Michael would have wore such a large shoulder jacket for impersonating Dave Dave? Michael has not so big shoulders..I mean..they are normal...
Do you think he did it for making the thing a bit unreal?
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it's also helpful when you think whether MJ will comeback and if he's safe. do you think he'd be in disguise on TELEVISION that soon if he was in danger?
think about it. what does his being in disguise so soon after the announcement tell us about why the Hoax?
This is exactly why I don't think he is/was in any serious danger. If we can see that it's him then his enemies would see it too. This appearance of him would make faking his death pointless if he hoaxed his death because of being in danger. He would have risked that they kidnap someone from his family after they realized that he only fooled them. So no, I don't think he is in danger. And his family doesn't look scared at all either...
I believe he will come back.
I agree this confirms he's not in real danger nor his family. I'm so happy you're here. Your excellent skills are a benefit to us all. Though I know we have explored this topic plenty in the past, you put something fresh and new into it. IMO the DD impersonation is one of the best proofs MJ is alive and doing his thing.
You are too nice to me, I don't have excellent skills... :) I just spent a lot of time with finding these photos for the comparisons. But thank you very much for the compliment, my face looked this red :oops: when I read your post ;)
I also think that one of the most convincing proofs for Michael being alive is that he appeared in this disguise - that's why I concentrated on this so much.
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...As I said .it is a great job!!
Just one question...why do you think Michael would have wore such a large shoulder jacket for impersonating Dave Dave? Michael has not so big shoulders..I mean..they are normal...
Do you think he did it for making the thing a bit unreal?
Well, he really looks strange in that huge jacket with those wide shoulders... But I don't really understand why he chose to wear this. Anyway, it reminds me a lot of the suit he wore in the Ghosts video. (Of course he played a fat man there, so there those shoulders fit much more.)
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i'd love to see a couple more comparisons with both Michael and DD in glasses.
I don't promise that I can, but I will try to make more comparisons where he wears glasses.
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...As I said .it is a great job!!
Just one question...why do you think Michael would have wore such a large shoulder jacket for impersonating Dave Dave? Michael has not so big shoulders..I mean..they are normal...
Do you think he did it for making the thing a bit unreal?
Well, he really looks strange in that huge jacket with those wide shoulders... But I don't really understand why he chose to wear this.
It's all part of the disguise ;)
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You have done a great job, DREAMSandTRUTH, whoever you are!! A Big Thankyou for your continuing efforts of comparing!
You just pick the right scenes and make it almost impossible to deny for those who are still doubting (not me, BTW :lol: ).
And I also don't mind to deal with DaveDave issues again, because it is such a great work of art and acting. A great performance is always worth to be honoured again.
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There is indeed a real Dave Dave but like the real Michael, DD has his own impersonators 8-)
As you know the angles are not 100% matched but keep in mind the eyebrows and eyes. We know Michael has his eyebrows tattooed... although there is makeup available to cover tattoos it seems they were left slightly visible.
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3561/shiwtu.gif)
Sorry for the poor clarity but you will see it is quite a close match.
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5107/browswut2.gif)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3820/browswut.gif)
This is fascinating! How did you do that? Which program did you use?
Thanks for your great work!
Animation shop. On the fade setting 8-)
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i'd love to see a couple more comparisons with both Michael and DD in glasses.
I don't promise that I can, but I will try to make more comparisons where he wears glasses.
Okay, I made one - not 100% perfect because "DD" looks a little more to the left (to his right) but this is the best capture I could get of him for this photo of Michael. On the comparison which is only about his eyes you can see how wide his face was made by that thick mask. His eyes are similar but outwards his face is way too broad (or what is the correct word for it). (And that puffiness on his eyelids by the mask also change his eyes a little downward looking - as I stated before.)
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Animation shop. On the fade setting 8-)
Thanks! :)
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Bah ha ha, I LOVE Dave Dave! :D Great work on these pics. :mrgreen: There is just no denying how similar they look, especially the Mayor from Ghost. To me Dave Dave is the most bizarre part of this whole odd episode. If it really IS the real Dave Dave, he looks so different from every other pic of himself, it is almost weirder if he is the real Dave, because to me, they look like two different people, and LKL Dave and Michael look like the same person! :lol:
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Thanks for eyes-distance comparison.
Pretty convincing....
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Bah ha ha, I LOVE Dave Dave! :D Great work on these pics. :mrgreen: There is just no denying how similar they look, especially the Mayor from Ghost. To me Dave Dave is the most bizarre part of this whole odd episode. If it really IS the real Dave Dave, he looks so different from every other pic of himself, it is almost weirder if he is the real Dave, because to me, they look like two different people, and LKL Dave and Michael look like the same person! :lol:
yep. this is very convincing. thanks for finding more pics with the glasses. it's great.
i like the idea of now comparing the real Dave Dave with the LKL DD. can you do this? you are awesome! thank you.
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^^^Yes ! I was about to say the same thing! The high V arched eyebrows.....AND the way DD's AND MJ's bottom teeth show when they talk....hhhhmmmmmm
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Thanks for eyes-distance comparison.
Pretty convincing....
You're welcome :)
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i like the idea of now comparing the real Dave Dave with the LKL DD. can you do this? you are awesome! thank you.
I made some comparisons for my video, but as we have only a few photos of the real DD, I couldn't make comparisons where the real DD and the "DD" on LKL keep their head the same way and look to the same directions. So these comparisons are not that good, but I guess we can still see that they are two different persons.
The real DD is a little cross-eyed. On this photo he looks very cross-eyed as he looks into the camera. But as you can see, he was cross-eyed as a child too.
But it's not just their eyes which are different - the real DD has a more narrow face. And the two persons' necks are very different too. The real DD's neck is thinner and longer - and his skin is in a much worse condition (not just on his neck...).
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Here is another one.
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Their lips are very different too - the real DD cannot move his lips normally, as I can see, and his lower lip is very loose. Probably the reconstruction surgery wasn't that successful, or this is the best they could achieve. (I read that his mother said "his lips were gone".)
On this photo from the B&B you cannot see this clearly, as this is not a video, so if you are interested, from 4:02 you can see it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs)
(I don't know how to upload here a video...)
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Here is another one.
Hmmm and the nose is also different...but you can see perfectly that the real DD has blue eyes and the DD on LKL had brown eyes :D so this are 2 different person ... MJ was certainly disguise as DD then :D I love it!!! He is a genius man!
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DD got the same bottom teeth as MJ and you can see the same eyebrow pattern since MJ's eyebrows were arched. DD also leans his head to the side like MJ when he speaks. Some people think it can't be Mike because of the hands but I beg to differ. I believe it's possible to fake those hands with all the make up, prostetics, and technology we have now days. I believe in the movie Speed with Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock they made Dennis Hopper appear to have a disfigured hand.
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Here is another one.
Hmmm and the nose is also different...but you can see perfectly that the real DD has blue eyes and the DD on LKL had brown eyes :D so this are 2 different person ... MJ was certainly disguise as DD then :D I love it!!! He is a genius man!
Yes, the fake nose looks different too - basically everything...
Generally I don't talk about the difference between the colors of their eyes as it is very easy to change by wearing contact lenses. Probably Michael chose not to wear contacts as together with the mask, changing his eye color to blue/green it would have made way more difficult to recognize him. But as we can see his real eyes without contacts, it's not that hard. And I believe he wanted us to recognize him.
On the other hand, those who don't believe it's Michael on LKL, can say that his eyes are brown because DD (the real one) wore brown contact lenses... The eye color difference is not convincing enough for them.
So I rather focus on everything else but the colors of their eyes.
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Some people think it can't be Mike because of the hands but I beg to differ. I believe it's possible to fake those hands with all the make up, prostetics, and technology we have now days.
I agree.
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Their mouths are TOTALLY different!! I'd never really seen any pictures of the real Dave Dave except for one which hasn't even been posted so far on this thread, but wow I wasn't expecting him to look so different! In my opinion the proof that its MJ on LKL just keeps coming and coming ;)
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oh, thank you so much. this is amazing. but, wait. the last photos you uploaded is the dd on lkl on the left but who's that on the right? it doesn't really look like the real dd either. these both look like mj (the last photos you've posted.)
the skin of the person on the right is extremely smooth, don't you think? so, mj has disguised as dd on more than one occasion, before lkl?
in any case, with the other photos of the real dd, clearly there are big differences even without focusing on the eye color. and, may i say that i've seen people with colored contact lenses and it always looks very fake and weird to me. you can't really fake the eye color and have the eyes look natural. but, in these photos the eyes - brown or blue -- look very natural. no contacts here.
in the other photos, what worries me a bit is the discoloration on different parts of the skin with both dd on lkl and the real dd -- the discoloration and the shapes of it (upper right-side and around both jaws) look very similar. i can also see faded eyebrows on the real dd. how's this the case if they are different people? i would expect to see more differences here although, again, the difference in smoothness is quite striking as well as shape of mouth. and you can see that the real dd has wider nostrils. the dd on lkl has small nostrils exactly like mj. and, in the first pic, the skin does look much worse on dd than the person on lkl.
for non-believers, here's your proof that mj is alive. this is it.
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oh, thank you so much. this is amazing. but, wait. the last photos you uploaded is the dd on lkl on the left but who's that on the right? it doesn't really look like the real dd either. these both look like mj (the last photos you've posted.)
the skin of the person on the right is extremely smooth, don't you think? so, mj has disguised as dd on more than one occasion, before lkl?
Hi SoldierofLOVE, sorry that I answer just now.
The one on the right is DD from The Bold and the Beautiful soap opera, where he played a short role in 1997. We are just discussing on the topic "Dave Dave" is a liar whether he is the real DD.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12139&start=50 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12139&start=50)
IMO he is the real DD. His skin looks better because the room he is in is very dark, but sometimes we can see that his skin is more damaged - like on the second photo I attached. And if you watch my video from 4:02 - where you can see a short video of DD from the B&B and then the Leeza video (I believe DD on the Leeza show is Michael, just as on LKL) - you can see the huge difference between their teeth and the way they move their lips. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs)
But you can compare DD's teeth and lips watching the B&B episode and DD on LKL.
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I really don't kow what to make of Dave Dave...i can see the striking similarities, and their are arguaments for why Michael would portray him, and arguaments as to why he wouldn't, so is a bit confusing for me to be honest, will reserve judgement and see if anymore facts come through about dave dave
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in any case, with the other photos of the real dd, clearly there are big differences even without focusing on the eye color. and, may i say that i've seen people with colored contact lenses and it always looks very fake and weird to me. you can't really fake the eye color and have the eyes look natural. but, in these photos the eyes - brown or blue -- look very natural. no contacts here.
Hi SoldierofLOVE, I continue to answer to your other thoughts.
I don't know too much about colored contact lenses, but I'm not sure that through glasses and on a not-too-perfect-quality video we have about the Larry King interview we can see whether someone is wearing colored contacts or not... I cannot see "Dave"'s eyes clearly enough on this video - even though (if I remember well) I downloaded it from CNN (but I find the quality of the others on YT are the same.) The photos about DD are much better concerning the quality IMO.
For me the color of DD's eyes on the LKL doesn't really matter - as I can feel that it's Michael in a disguise - because of his voice, his mouth, the shape of his eyes, and the way he moves etc. Of course, maybe I couldn't have recognized him if he wore blue contacts...
Anyway, I'm sure it's Michael on LKL, and we see his natural eye color, I just wanted to say that those who are not fans of him (or at least not longtime fans), and don't believe he is alive, can easily say that it's the real DD on LKL and he is wearing colored contacts.
So this is why I try to show how many other similarities we can find between DD on LKL and Michael, concentrating on the shape of his eyes and his mouth and the very similar spirit we can see on the photo comparisons.
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in the other photos, what worries me a bit is the discoloration on different parts of the skin with both dd on lkl and the real dd -- the discoloration and the shapes of it (upper right-side and around both jaws) look very similar. i can also see faded eyebrows on the real dd. how's this the case if they are different people? i would expect to see more differences here although, again, the difference in smoothness is quite striking as well as shape of mouth. and you can see that the real dd has wider nostrils. the dd on lkl has small nostrils exactly like mj. and, in the first pic, the skin does look much worse on dd than the person on lkl.
I believe it's not too hard to imitate discolorations with make-up (which was used on the mask). I guess this is one of the easiest parts making a disguise.
About the eyebrows: I guess we can see the shapes of the bones above their eyes on both the real DD and on Michael in this mask. The real DD's eyebrows are gone IMO, because of the fire, so he has no eyebrows at all, just his skin. Michael has the mask on and we can see the shape of his bones under that. As I see, they did a professional job with this mask, even making false eyelids which makes Michael's eyes more downward looking and a little puffy. But IMO we can clearly see that these eyelids are fake. Because his eyes sit too deep in this mask: there are strange dark shades in the outer parts of his eyes - which we cannot see on DD's photos.
What they couldn't imitate by the mask is the distance between Michael's eyes, and the shape of his eyes still looks almost the same despite of those fake eyelids, and we can also recognize his mouth as he speaks. IDK why they couldn't make the nose more similar though (I agree with you about the nostrils) - maybe they wanted us to see that it's really not the real DD. And his skin looks much tense/more healthy, mainly on his neck. Why? IDK either. But IMO basically Michael's longtime fans can feel his spirit whatever kind of disguise he wears - mainly when he helps us with not changing his voice too much.
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First time I saw the LKL interview (following my hoax education), I definitely heard and felt Michael in voice and mannerisms - even the way he answered the questions. The phrasing was too much like someone trying to talk in the 3rd person about themselves (especially in answer to "What don't we know about Michael that we need to know?"). But I was still probably 75/25 at that point. Since then, the eyebrows have been bumping that up to a higher percentage but your analysis of the eyes sealed the deal for me, particularly the location of the pupils as you compared LKL Dave to MJ looking in different directions. I just don't think that can be faked, and I see obvious similarities to MJ and obvious differences to Dave.
So now I'm 100%, thanks to your hard work and great attention to details. :) I'll just add that re-visiting a subject that has been looked at again and again is worthwhile if a new perspective is offered, and you did that. There's already a few more people firmly in the "I believe" camp on this one!
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First time I saw the LKL interview (following my hoax education), I definitely heard and felt Michael in voice and mannerisms - even the way he answered the questions. The phrasing was too much like someone trying to talk in the 3rd person about themselves (especially in answer to "What don't we know about Michael that we need to know?"). But I was still probably 75/25 at that point. Since then, the eyebrows have been bumping that up to a higher percentage but your analysis of the eyes sealed the deal for me, particularly the location of the pupils as you compared LKL Dave to MJ looking in different directions. I just don't think that can be faked, and I see obvious similarities to MJ and obvious differences to Dave.
So now I'm 100%, thanks to your hard work and great attention to details. :) I'll just add that re-visiting a subject that has been looked at again and again is worthwhile if a new perspective is offered, and you did that. There's already a few more people firmly in the "I believe" camp on this one!
I'm glad I could help :)
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You did a fantastic job. You have a great eye for details and I think you have provided great evidence that it was not Dave Dave (Rothenberg). There is MJ's fullness of face, pursed lips, etc. Another I noticed...the eyebrows!!! You can see they are covered up, but they are there!
I was always convinced that it was Michael because when I first saw the video, I was only listening, but not watching and my mouth fell open. That voice did it for me! It may be disguised, but the infliction of the voice and the words that were used were inmistakeable. As well as his eyes. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't particularly look like the real Dave Dave to me and the shoulders are way too broad. However I've never noticed the eyebrows before. They are clearly there and now I can show this to other people!
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in any case, with the other photos of the real dd, clearly there are big differences even without focusing on the eye color. and, may i say that i've seen people with colored contact lenses and it always looks very fake and weird to me. you can't really fake the eye color and have the eyes look natural. but, in these photos the eyes - brown or blue -- look very natural. no contacts here.
Hi SoldierofLOVE, I continue to answer to your other thoughts.
I don't know too much about colored contact lenses, but I'm not sure that through glasses and on a not-too-perfect-quality video we have about the Larry King interview we can see whether someone is wearing colored contacts or not... I cannot see "Dave"'s eyes clearly enough on this video - even though (if I remember well) I downloaded it from CNN (but I find the quality of the others on YT are the same.) The photos about DD are much better concerning the quality IMO.
For me the color of DD's eyes on the LKL doesn't really matter - as I can feel that it's Michael in a disguise - because of his voice, his mouth, the shape of his eyes, and the way he moves etc. Of course, maybe I couldn't have recognized him if he wore blue contacts...
Anyway, I'm sure it's Michael on LKL, and we see his natural eye color, I just wanted to say that those who are not fans of him (or at least not longtime fans), and don't believe he is alive, can easily say that it's the real DD on LKL and he is wearing colored contacts.
So this is why I try to show how many other similarities we can find between DD on LKL and Michael, concentrating on the shape of his eyes and his mouth and the very similar spirit we can see on the photo comparisons.
Thank God I found it. I knew he said that thing about the girls who always find out it is him in disguise. I listened to the ever same interviews to find it but finally I found this interview:
Interview With Gold Magazine [2002]
In late 2002, Michael granted an interview with England's prestigious magazine, Gold Magazine.
The magazine is published twice a year by Conde Nast Publications Ltd for Harrods.
http://mjbaltic.com/Interviews.html
GG: Does it ever become a burden to be one of the most recognized stars in the world?
MJ: There's nowhere in the world I can actually go and have privacy. The thing that hurts the most is the fact that your privacy is taken away from you. To use the silly expression, you live in a fishbowl, but it's true. I do disguises...People know them all, it's very hard, very hard.
GG: What kind of disguises?
MJ: Bat suits, buck teeth, glasses, afros, prosthetics, make-up jobs, everything. Just to sit in the audience and experience it the way an audience would experience a show; I want to feel how they feel.
GG: Do they find you out?
MJ: Sometimes, yes. In the beginning, no. Then they start looking me in the eyes. I put these things on and then they start looking behind the glasses...Girls are very smart, you know. You can trick a guy quicker than you can trick a girl. Women can just pick it up. They know the way you move your body, the way you walk, the way you gesture. I hear them go, 'Look at the way he moves his hand', or 'Look at the way he was walking', and I think, 'Oh no.'
http://mjbaltic.com/Interviews/Gold_Magazine_2002.htm
I really believe Michael wants us to know that he is still there. His appearance on LKL is a gift to us and that he did not bother to hide his eyes is just our chance to "find him out"!
:-* Thank you Michael! It is good to see you after June 25th 2009! Love you!
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Thank God I found it. I knew he said that thing about the girls who always find out it is him in disguise. I listened to the ever same interviews to find it but finally I found this interview:
Interview With Gold Magazine [2002]
In late 2002, Michael granted an interview with England's prestigious magazine, Gold Magazine.
The magazine is published twice a year by Conde Nast Publications Ltd for Harrods.
http://mjbaltic.com/Interviews.html
GG: Does it ever become a burden to be one of the most recognized stars in the world?
MJ: There's nowhere in the world I can actually go and have privacy. The thing that hurts the most is the fact that your privacy is taken away from you. To use the silly expression, you live in a fishbowl, but it's true. I do disguises...People know them all, it's very hard, very hard.
GG: What kind of disguises?
MJ: Bat suits, buck teeth, glasses, afros, prosthetics, make-up jobs, everything. Just to sit in the audience and experience it the way an audience would experience a show; I want to feel how they feel.
GG: Do they find you out?
MJ: Sometimes, yes. In the beginning, no. Then they start looking me in the eyes. I put these things on and then they start looking behind the glasses...Girls are very smart, you know. You can trick a guy quicker than you can trick a girl. Women can just pick it up. They know the way you move your body, the way you walk, the way you gesture. I hear them go, 'Look at the way he moves his hand', or 'Look at the way he was walking', and I think, 'Oh no.'
http://mjbaltic.com/Interviews/Gold_Magazine_2002.htm
I really believe Michael wants us to know that he is still there. His appearance on LKL is a gift to us and that he did not bother to hide his eyes is just our chance to "find him out"!
:-* Thank you Michael! It is good to see you after June 25th 2009! Love you!
I remember this interview too, and I think Michael appeared as DD on LKL because he was sure many of us (his fans, and mostly the girls/women ;) ) would recognize him.
I often wonder how many people he expected to recognize him in this disguise...
"Women can just pick it up."
Did enough of us pick it up?
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and a far as i know lk never addressed it . even to say that the folks who think this are looney tunes. or did he? anyone know?
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Thank God I found it. I knew he said that thing about the girls who always find out it is him in disguise. I listened to the ever same interviews to find it but finally I found this interview:
Interview With Gold Magazine [2002]
In late 2002, Michael granted an interview with England's prestigious magazine, Gold Magazine.
The magazine is published twice a year by Conde Nast Publications Ltd for Harrods.
http://mjbaltic.com/Interviews.html
GG: Does it ever become a burden to be one of the most recognized stars in the world?
MJ: There's nowhere in the world I can actually go and have privacy. The thing that hurts the most is the fact that your privacy is taken away from you. To use the silly expression, you live in a fishbowl, but it's true. I do disguises...People know them all, it's very hard, very hard.
GG: What kind of disguises?
MJ: Bat suits, buck teeth, glasses, afros, prosthetics, make-up jobs, everything. Just to sit in the audience and experience it the way an audience would experience a show; I want to feel how they feel.
GG: Do they find you out?
MJ: Sometimes, yes. In the beginning, no. Then they start looking me in the eyes. I put these things on and then they start looking behind the glasses...Girls are very smart, you know. You can trick a guy quicker than you can trick a girl. Women can just pick it up. They know the way you move your body, the way you walk, the way you gesture. I hear them go, 'Look at the way he moves his hand', or 'Look at the way he was walking', and I think, 'Oh no.'
http://mjbaltic.com/Interviews/Gold_Magazine_2002.htm
I really believe Michael wants us to know that he is still there. His appearance on LKL is a gift to us and that he did not bother to hide his eyes is just our chance to "find him out"!
:-* Thank you Michael! It is good to see you after June 25th 2009! Love you!
I remember this interview too, and I think Michael appeared as DD on LKL because he was sure many of us (his fans, and mostly the girls/women ;) ) would recognize him.
I often wonder how many people he expected to recognize him in this disguise...
"Women can just pick it up."
Did enough of us pick it up?
I loveeeeeeeee it so much !!"Girls are very smart, you know. You can trick a guy quicker than you can trick a girl. Women can just pick it up. They know the way you move your body, the way you walk, the way you gesture. I hear them go, 'Look at the way he moves his hand', or 'Look at the way he was walking', and I think, 'Oh no" it's not funny but it makes me laugh..at this moment i thought," yeeeees !you really was on LKL!" oh yes,i know it was you ...You know we are smart to recognize the man we love ;) "the way you talk","the way you gesture"..:D same thing..i can't say it better than you did
Thank you soooo much for sharing this <3
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Thank God I found it. I knew he said that thing about the girls who always find out it is him in disguise. I listened to the ever same interviews to find it but finally I found this interview:
Interview With Gold Magazine [2002]
In late 2002, Michael granted an interview with England's prestigious magazine, Gold Magazine.
The magazine is published twice a year by Conde Nast Publications Ltd for Harrods.
http://mjbaltic.com/Interviews.html
GG: Does it ever become a burden to be one of the most recognized stars in the world?
MJ: There's nowhere in the world I can actually go and have privacy. The thing that hurts the most is the fact that your privacy is taken away from you. To use the silly expression, you live in a fishbowl, but it's true. I do disguises...People know them all, it's very hard, very hard.
GG: What kind of disguises?
MJ: Bat suits, buck teeth, glasses, afros, prosthetics, make-up jobs, everything. Just to sit in the audience and experience it the way an audience would experience a show; I want to feel how they feel.
GG: Do they find you out?
MJ: Sometimes, yes. In the beginning, no. Then they start looking me in the eyes. I put these things on and then they start looking behind the glasses...Girls are very smart, you know. You can trick a guy quicker than you can trick a girl. Women can just pick it up. They know the way you move your body, the way you walk, the way you gesture. I hear them go, 'Look at the way he moves his hand', or 'Look at the way he was walking', and I think, 'Oh no.'
http://mjbaltic.com/Interviews/Gold_Magazine_2002.htm
I really believe Michael wants us to know that he is still there. His appearance on LKL is a gift to us and that he did not bother to hide his eyes is just our chance to "find him out"!
:-* Thank you Michael! It is good to see you after June 25th 2009! Love you!
I remember this interview too, and I think Michael appeared as DD on LKL because he was sure many of us (his fans, and mostly the girls/women ;) ) would recognize him.
I often wonder how many people he expected to recognize him in this disguise...
"Women can just pick it up."
Did enough of us pick it up?
I loveeeeeeeee it so much !!"Girls are very smart, you know. You can trick a guy quicker than you can trick a girl. Women can just pick it up. They know the way you move your body, the way you walk, the way you gesture. I hear them go, 'Look at the way he moves his hand', or 'Look at the way he was walking', and I think, 'Oh no" it's not funny but it makes me laugh..at this moment i thought," yeeeees !you really was on LKL!" oh yes,i know it was you ...You know we are smart to recognize the man we love ;) "the way you talk","the way you gesture"..:D same thing..i can't say it better than you did
Thank you soooo much for sharing this <3
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
love ya MIKE!!!!
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I'm finding this thread intriguing! I was never one to believe MJ was DD on LKL, but I have to say there's some pretty interesting stuff here, and I honestly wouldn't put anything beyond Michael!
Just a couple of things puzzling me, if DD and Miko were meant to be at the funeral, how come they were doing LKL at the same time? Was it just round the corner or something, so they were able to nip round after their interviews? Did they actually appear on any of the funeral footage?
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I'm finding this thread intriguing! I was never one to believe MJ was DD on LKL, but I have to say there's some pretty interesting stuff here, and I honestly wouldn't put anything beyond Michael!
Just a couple of things puzzling me, if DD and Miko were meant to be at the funeral, how come they were doing LKL at the same time? Was it just round the corner or something, so they were able to nip round after their interviews? Did they actually appear on any of the funeral footage?
I think that interview was prerecorded, not live.
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I'm finding this thread intriguing! I was never one to believe MJ was DD on LKL, but I have to say there's some pretty interesting stuff here, and I honestly wouldn't put anything beyond Michael!
Just a couple of things puzzling me, if DD and Miko were meant to be at the funeral, how come they were doing LKL at the same time? Was it just round the corner or something, so they were able to nip round after their interviews? Did they actually appear on any of the funeral footage?
lol The first time i saw Dave Dave,before he said something..just the way he looks to the camera ..I said "OMG" and then tears flowed down!!I don't know if it was joy,pain i don't know !!and when he opened his mouth "BOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW" as Michael says :lol: ..
I have seen pics of Dave Dave at the burial ..maybe here no ???i don't remember where i saw it but Dave Dave was sat on a chair next to Liz Taylor in the middle of the lane
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Ok... Just a thought! Wasn't this dave dave special LKL aired on september 3rd, 2009???? The date the bloody shirt had the price tag of? We thought it was the clue for the date of the funeral but may be, just MAY BE, letting us know about the date of the funeral wasn't the case... May be, the more important thing was that it was the clue for us to look for Michael on that date???
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I'm finding this thread intriguing! I was never one to believe MJ was DD on LKL, but I have to say there's some pretty interesting stuff here, and I honestly wouldn't put anything beyond Michael!
Just a couple of things puzzling me, if DD and Miko were meant to be at the funeral, how come they were doing LKL at the same time? Was it just round the corner or something, so they were able to nip round after their interviews? Did they actually appear on any of the funeral footage?
I think that interview was prerecorded, not live.
But if i remember right, when DD and Miko was on LKL that day, they showed live from the cemetery how cars arrived, etc :?
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I'm finding this thread intriguing! I was never one to believe MJ was DD on LKL, but I have to say there's some pretty interesting stuff here, and I honestly wouldn't put anything beyond Michael!
Just a couple of things puzzling me, if DD and Miko were meant to be at the funeral, how come they were doing LKL at the same time? Was it just round the corner or something, so they were able to nip round after their interviews? Did they actually appear on any of the funeral footage?
I think that interview was prerecorded, not live.
But if i remember right, when DD and Miko was on LKL that day, they showed live from the cemetery how cars arrived, etc :?
IMO the burial was green screened. Besides that, we did not see Miko and/or Dave arriving at Forest Lawn on that footage.
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yes!i didn't see Miko on the funeral's video..
The interview and the funeral were at the same time..i think the sameBut if i remember right, when DD and Miko was on LKL that day, they showed live from the cemetery how cars arrived, etc :?
But we can alsoo see a video of Dave Dave in the cars while he writes his "speech"
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I'm finding this thread intriguing! I was never one to believe MJ was DD on LKL, but I have to say there's some pretty interesting stuff here, and I honestly wouldn't put anything beyond Michael!
Just a couple of things puzzling me, if DD and Miko were meant to be at the funeral, how come they were doing LKL at the same time? Was it just round the corner or something, so they were able to nip round after their interviews? Did they actually appear on any of the funeral footage?
I think that interview was prerecorded, not live.
But if i remember right, when DD and Miko was on LKL that day, they showed live from the cemetery how cars arrived, etc :?
IMO the burial was green screened. Besides that, we did not see Miko and/or Dave arriving at Forest Lawn on that footage.
Until yesterday I also believed that the burial was green screened. But I found what Em wrote ( viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3546&start=25 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3546&start=25) ), and I agree with her:
As far as the paths and the trees goes, this type of lens will not add paths or trees!
Em
I posted this on another thread to correct myself, I would like to correct myself here as well:
I must correct my last post about the roads and trees not being there in the aerial pic, but in the ground footage.
Aerial shot:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/FOTOFORRESTLAWNFROMABOVE.jpg)
Ground shot:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/FOTOFUNERALAUTO1.jpg)
I went to FL this past weekend and saw for myself. It is again types of lenses and angles that were used that make it look different.
Keep in mind, I am a photographer:
The road where the funeral was held is next to a hillside. We see the hillside in the aerial view, bit we do not see the grade of it, the steepness, it appears to be flat.. In the ground view, we do not see the hill at all because it drops down. We only see the roads and trees in the distance past the hillside. They seem closer than they really are, due to the compression of the telephoto lens that was used. This kind of lens makes background objects appear closer than they really are. Hence, the mystery of the roads and trees. Also the arches in the background behind the coffin, the same thing, compression.
Em
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1502&start=25#p139097 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1502&start=25#p139097)
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yes!i didn't see Miko on the funeral's video..
The interview and the funeral were at the same time..i think the sameBut if i remember right, when DD and Miko was on LKL that day, they showed live from the cemetery how cars arrived, etc :?
But we can alsoo see a video of Dave Dave in the cars while he writes his "speech"
IMO Dave Dave giving the interview in the car could be recorded anytime before the day of the burial. Probably it was done the same day as the LKL interview - so Michael didn't have to put that mask on twice.
And the cars arriving live to the cemetery could be mixed with the interview: I mean the video about the cars were live but the interview was inserted into that live coverage.
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yes,thank you for you answer ;)
But they should know that we will find it weird to make Miko's and Dave Dave's interview (supposed in live i don't know)show the arrival of cars at the burial where was Dave Dave and his interview at the same time..
I guess you're right,Poor Michael it's not funny to have to disguise many times :)
and if all was recorded?? it is possible????
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Thanks everyone for all your recent comments - I need to look at the whole DD, LKL, funeral footage again. Haven't got time today, which is a darned shame! It's bugging me!
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Thank you DREAMSandTRUTH for the time you have taken with this. I've believed DD was Michael on LKL from the first time I saw that interview - but I'm not so sure about the interview with Leeza Gibbons.
yes!i didn't see Miko on the funeral's video..
The interview and the funeral were at the same time..i think the sameBut if i remember right, when DD and Miko was on LKL that day, they showed live from the cemetery how cars arrived, etc :?
But we can alsoo see a video of Dave Dave in the cars while he writes his "speech"
IMO Dave Dave giving the interview in the car could be recorded anytime before the day of the burial. Probably it was done the same day as the LKL interview - so Michael didn't have to put that mask on twice.
And the cars arriving live to the cemetery could be mixed with the interview: I mean the video about the cars were live but the interview was inserted into that live coverage.
Yes, but given the time between the memorial and burial isn't it odd that DD would be shown writing a speech in a moving vehicle as though he needs to do that to finish it in time. I need to find that and watch it again because there must have been a reason for showing it.
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I REALLY WANT TO BELIEVE IS NOT HIM BUT I CAN´T... AND WITH ALL THIS PICTURES IS REALLY HARD TO SAY IS NOT HIM....
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I REALLY WANT TO BELIEVE IS NOT HIM BUT I CAN´T... AND WITH ALL THIS PICTURES IS REALLY HARD TO SAY IS NOT HIM....
I agree CC. The eyebrows and eyes convince me.
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A theory which was bashed before is being accepted by some now…I still stand my ground I think this theory is absolutely preposterous.
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I've always been 99% sure that Michael disguised as Dave Dave on LKL. & that the burial was green screened. ;)
I REALLY WANT TO BELIEVE IS NOT HIM BUT I CAN´T... AND WITH ALL THIS PICTURES IS REALLY HARD TO SAY IS NOT HIM....
Why don't you want to say it's him? :geek:
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I've always been 99% sure that Michael disguised as Dave Dave on LKL. & that the burial was green screened. ;)
I REALLY WANT TO BELIEVE IS NOT HIM BUT I CAN´T... AND WITH ALL THIS PICTURES IS REALLY HARD TO SAY IS NOT HIM....
Why don't you want to say it's him? :geek:
because this will fit with the people who thing "Michael Jackson is crazy"... is almost imposible to him being there... but in other hand: WHY NOT? (like the phrase in my sig) this is one of a few reasons to make me believe all this time, this one is one i like to found something to say is not him because we can see him perfectly, you know what i mean? the others could be him or not... (universal, green man....) but this one... is HIM!
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I've always been 99% sure that Michael disguised as Dave Dave on LKL. & that the burial was green screened. ;)
I REALLY WANT TO BELIEVE IS NOT HIM BUT I CAN´T... AND WITH ALL THIS PICTURES IS REALLY HARD TO SAY IS NOT HIM....
Why don't you want to say it's him? :geek:
the others could be him or not... (universal, green man....) but this one... is HIM!
:lol: :lol: Yes,IT'S HIM!!!i'm convinced 10000%
remember "girls are very smart" haha
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A theory which was bashed before is being accepted by some now…I still stand my ground I think this theory is absolutely preposterous.
Accepted by some..? Even though the theory seems 'absolutely preposterous' to you, it is supported by a LOT of people, not 'some'. Just run a Google and YouTube search. This doesn't mean that you have to change your mind about it, not at all, but you're severely underestimating the number of persons who think there's a very high possibility of Mike appearing as Dave Dave on Larry King Live.
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I DON´T THINK ONLY SOME HINK IS HIM, I THINK THIS WAS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG!!!
If this interview was really pre-recorded we have more for this hoax... how he know he will going to die???
maybe they pre recorded in case of someone notice this hoax??? i love him... more every day! thank you Michael! this interview, the circus outside staples, the horror night at universal, the pinocchio at grammy´s, green man in WATW... all this caracters are so MJ!
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A theory which was bashed before is being accepted by some now…I still stand my ground I think this theory is absolutely preposterous.
Accepted by some..? Even though the theory seems 'absolutely preposterous' to you, it is supported by a LOT of people, not 'some'. Just run a Google and YouTube search. This doesn't mean that you have to change your mind about it, not at all, but you're severely underestimating the number of persons who think there's a very high possibility of Mike appearing as Dave Dave on Larry King Live.
If a hoax theory is printed in the SUN it is bond to bring a lot of attention and followers.
Quite frankly I don’t care about the number of people believing this, even up to this day its is still as ridicules as it was the day you and Souza danced in the living room with joy having “revealed” Michael.
I am not trying to impose my beliefs on anyone, just stating my opinion as anybody else.
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A theory which was bashed before is being accepted by some now…I still stand my ground I think this theory is absolutely preposterous.
Accepted by some..? Even though the theory seems 'absolutely preposterous' to you, it is supported by a LOT of people, not 'some'. Just run a Google and YouTube search. This doesn't mean that you have to change your mind about it, not at all, but you're severely underestimating the number of persons who think there's a very high possibility of Mike appearing as Dave Dave on Larry King Live.
I know it was Michael as Dave Dave. :)
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A theory which was bashed before is being accepted by some now…I still stand my ground I think this theory is absolutely preposterous.
Accepted by some..? Even though the theory seems 'absolutely preposterous' to you, it is supported by a LOT of people, not 'some'. Just run a Google and YouTube search. This doesn't mean that you have to change your mind about it, not at all, but you're severely underestimating the number of persons who think there's a very high possibility of Mike appearing as Dave Dave on Larry King Live.
I know it was Michael as Dave Dave. :)
Don't need proof,i KNOW it was him too :D it can be differently
jacilovesmichael i love your gift :D can i sing with it?? when he makes the "HA!HA!HA!HA!!" i loveeeeee haha
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A theory which was bashed before is being accepted by some now…I still stand my ground I think this theory is absolutely preposterous.
Accepted by some..? Even though the theory seems 'absolutely preposterous' to you, it is supported by a LOT of people, not 'some'. Just run a Google and YouTube search. This doesn't mean that you have to change your mind about it, not at all, but you're severely underestimating the number of persons who think there's a very high possibility of Mike appearing as Dave Dave on Larry King Live.
I know it was Michael as Dave Dave. :)
Don't need proof,i KNOW it was him too :D it can be differently
jacilovesmichael i love your gift :D can i sing with it?? when he makes the "HA!HA!HA!HA!!" i loveeeeee haha
:D
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You did a fantastic job. You have a great eye for details and I think you have provided great evidence that it was not Dave Dave (Rothenberg). There is MJ's fullness of face, pursed lips, etc. Another I noticed...the eyebrows!!! You can see they are covered up, but they are there!
About the eyebrows...I'm figuring that was no makeup mistake...completely intentional. Back then that's the very thing besides the voice that immediately convinced me it was in fact MJ. I bet MJ had the time of his life on LKL that evening :lol: ....and if that was MJ, he was still here in Los Angeles that evening because that's where LKL Show is recorded.....on Sunset Blvd.
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I'm finding this thread intriguing! I was never one to believe MJ was DD on LKL, but I have to say there's some pretty interesting stuff here, and I honestly wouldn't put anything beyond Michael!
Just a couple of things puzzling me, if DD and Miko were meant to be at the funeral, how come they were doing LKL at the same time? Was it just round the corner or something, so they were able to nip round after their interviews? Did they actually appear on any of the funeral footage?
I think that interview was prerecorded, not live.
It is recorded on the day of and in Los Angeles...or Hollywood rather, also remember, we on the west coast are three hours behind the east coast, so while LKL comes on @ 5pm for us here, it's like 8PM back on the east coast. The funeral was at like 7pm I believe...at least that's the word around here.
From CNN on Sunset Blvd. to Forest Lawn is only a 10 minute drive.....very possible in fact. Yes, it's like around the corner. Up Highland Blvd....to Barham and hook a right then BAM...you're there at Forest Lawn. :D Very possible to do.
Geesh, all this timeline talk reminds me of the OJ Simpson case...lol!
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Thank you DREAMSandTRUTH for the time you have taken with this. I've believed DD was Michael on LKL from the first time I saw that interview - but I'm not so sure about the interview with Leeza Gibbons.
If you are interested, you can find more about it here:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12139&start=50 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12139&start=50)
Basically this is what I think:
I think it was also Michael on The Leeza Show. At least that was surely not the real DD.
On the first two comparisons you can see DD from the B&B which was made only one year later (in 1997) than the Leeza interview (in 1996). He looks quite different... His teeth, his lips, his ear, his eyes...
Then I compared three photos of DD from the same year, 1996. The persons on the left and in the middle look the same, but the one on the right...?
Dave Dave on The Leeza Show rather looks similar to Michael IMO.
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yes!i didn't see Miko on the funeral's video..
The interview and the funeral were at the same time..i think the sameBut if i remember right, when DD and Miko was on LKL that day, they showed live from the cemetery how cars arrived, etc :?
But we can alsoo see a video of Dave Dave in the cars while he writes his "speech"
IMO Dave Dave giving the interview in the car could be recorded anytime before the day of the burial. Probably it was done the same day as the LKL interview - so Michael didn't have to put that mask on twice.
And the cars arriving live to the cemetery could be mixed with the interview: I mean the video about the cars were live but the interview was inserted into that live coverage.
Yes, but given the time between the memorial and burial isn't it odd that DD would be shown writing a speech in a moving vehicle as though he needs to do that to finish it in time. I need to find that and watch it again because there must have been a reason for showing it.
It's odd, yes. I have no idea why "DD" wrote his speech in that car. There we could see that DD (Michael IMO) could write with his fake hand. But we didn't see what he wrote, so maybe he couldn't really write with it, just imitated it. IDK...
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You have some very wonderful comparisons and i am very sure it was Michael as DD :D It's just something about from the first time i saw it not expecting to feel what i did and my heart dropped :o that's how i knew WOW that's Michael :shock: :D .
Until Michael says it wasn't him it IS him as far as I'm concerned :D :D :D !
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OMG, I not find any similarity, with or without makeup or anything else. :roll: :(
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I have to admit i really don't know about the DD on Leeza..I see he looks different,his face is less elongated than real DD's pics..but i don't know,maybe they have used a lot of make up..because when i see his neck,it looks similar to the real..
but in Larry king,i'm SURE SURE SURE SURE!!!it's wasn't the real Dave because it's not the same neck :lol: and it's not the same expression on his face,on the eyes..really different i "can feel it" :lol:
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:shock: :shock: On Myspace Dave Dave said :
The Only Official Dave Dave Myspace: the brown ones are very relaxing;)
Il y a 10 heures de Mobile
Does he speak about the eyes??
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:shock: :shock: On Myspace Dave Dave said :
The Only Official Dave Dave Myspace: the brown ones are very relaxing;)
Il y a 10 heures de Mobile
Does he speak about the eyes??
Did he post that today?
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:shock: :shock: On Myspace Dave Dave said :
The Only Official Dave Dave Myspace: the brown ones are very relaxing;)
Il y a 10 heures de Mobile
Does he speak about the eyes??
Did he post that today?
yes, 10 hours ago,so,early in the morning i guess
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:shock: :shock: On Myspace Dave Dave said :
The Only Official Dave Dave Myspace: the brown ones are very relaxing;)
Il y a 10 heures de Mobile
Does he speak about the eyes??
Did he post that today?
yes, 10 hours ago,so,early in the morning i guess
I can't work out his myspace page so I can't find where his status updates go.. :oops:
Was it in response to anyone? Or just on it's own?
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:shock: :shock: On Myspace Dave Dave said :
The Only Official Dave Dave Myspace: the brown ones are very relaxing;)
Il y a 10 heures de Mobile
Does he speak about the eyes??
Did he post that today?
yes, 10 hours ago,so,early in the morning i guess
I can't work out his myspace page so I can't find where his status updates go.. :oops:
Was it in response to anyone? Or just on it's own?
I can't find it in his myspace page neither :? ..It appears only in my home myspace..I give you the pic
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Hmm so it was after he just posted a new picture...en effet c'est très étrange!
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I have to admit i really don't know about the DD on Leeza..I see he looks different,his face is less elongated than real DD's pics..but i don't know,maybe they have used a lot of make up..because when i see his neck,it looks similar to the real..
but in Larry king,i'm SURE SURE SURE SURE!!!it's wasn't the real Dave because it's not the same neck :lol: and it's not the same expression on his face,on the eyes..really different i "can feel it" :lol:
It's his neck what's bugging me too: his adam's apple looks a little similar.
But if you watch a comparison video about DD in B&B and DD on Leeza Show, you can see that everything is different but the adam's apple. At least IMO...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs) from 4:02
What is very different is the way DD move his lips. And his teeth... Note that the Leeza interview was in 1996 and the B&B was in 1997. Only one year difference and his teeth became less ordered! As I said earlier here: "Their lips are very different too - the real DD cannot move his lips normally, as I can see, and his lower lip is very loose. Probably the reconstruction surgery wasn't that successful, or this is the best they could achieve. (I read that his mother said "his lips were gone".)"
On this thread viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12139&start=50 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12139&start=50) I wrote a longer opinion of mine:
"In a few points I can say that what convinced me that it was the real DD in the B&B and Michael on the Leeza show are the followings:
1, The real DD's right earlobe is basically missing, just like the Dave's in the B&B - but the DD on the Leeza show has a right earlobe.
2, The real DD's skin on his face and his neck is less tense/more damaged, which we can see only when the light is better in the B&B (generally there is not much light, so DD's skin looks better). You can see his damaged skin on the second photo I posted above. But the DD on the Leeza show has a tense and nice skin in the whole video - and there is way more light.
3, DD's face is narrow/longish in the B&B, and as I found, his face has always looked like this. He is especially thin in the B&B but his face still looks longish now, and looked also this way when he was a teenager. The DD's face in the Leeza show is similar to Michael's (except that the video is distorted so it's a bit wider), a little square (watch the chin).
4, DD's teeth in the B&B are less ordered than the DD's on the Leeza show, which suggests that they are different persons (I doubt his teeth got less ordered in one year, as the B&B was made in 1997 and the Leeza show was in 1996).
5, DD in the B&B cannot move his lips in a healthy way, his lower lip is too loose. (you can see it on the photo above but it's more clear when you watch the video). DD in the Leeza show has no problem with his lips, they are healthy.
6, DD in the B&B is a little cross-eyed, like on every photo about the real DD. The DD in the Leeza show has very similar eyes to Michael's eyes - not crossed and the distance between them is bigger."
And don't forget the DD who sits on a chair and looks way more similar to the DD in B&B.
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Hmm so it was after he just posted a new picture...en effet c'est très étrange!
Yes..and you know what ! i've just seen a comment on his new pic ,a comment of his girlfriend or just friend "sketch" ..and she wrote "'im from Brooklyn.." like Eddie Murphie said in the "remember the time" making off,he said "i'm from Brooklyn so you run" ..
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I have to admit i really don't know about the DD on Leeza..I see he looks different,his face is less elongated than real DD's pics..but i don't know,maybe they have used a lot of make up..because when i see his neck,it looks similar to the real..
but in Larry king,i'm SURE SURE SURE SURE!!!it's wasn't the real Dave because it's not the same neck :lol: and it's not the same expression on his face,on the eyes..really different i "can feel it" :lol:
It's his neck what's bugging me too: his adam's apple looks a little similar.
But if you watch a comparison video about DD in B&B and DD on Leeza Show, you can see that everything is different but the adam's apple. At least IMO...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs) from 4:02
What is very different is the way DD move his lips. And his teeth... Note that the Leeza interview was in 1996 and the B&B was in 1997. Only one year difference and his teeth became less ordered! As I said earlier here: "Their lips are very different too - the real DD cannot move his lips normally, as I can see, and his lower lip is very loose. Probably the reconstruction surgery wasn't that successful, or this is the best they could achieve. (I read that his mother said "his lips were gone".)"
On this thread viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12139&start=50 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12139&start=50) I wrote a longer opinion of mine:
"In a few points I can say that what convinced me that it was the real DD in the B&B and Michael on the Leeza show are the followings:
1, The real DD's right earlobe is basically missing, just like the Dave's in the B&B - but the DD on the Leeza show has a right earlobe.
2, The real DD's skin on his face and his neck is less tense/more damaged, which we can see only when the light is better in the B&B (generally there is not much light, so DD's skin looks better). You can see his damaged skin on the second photo I posted above. But the DD on the Leeza show has a tense and nice skin in the whole video - and there is way more light.
3, DD's face is narrow/longish in the B&B, and as I found, his face has always looked like this. He is especially thin in the B&B but his face still looks longish now, and looked also this way when he was a teenager. The DD's face in the Leeza show is similar to Michael's (except that the video is distorted so it's a bit wider), a little square (watch the chin).
4, DD's teeth in the B&B are less ordered than the DD's on the Leeza show, which suggests that they are different persons (I doubt his teeth got less ordered in one year, as the B&B was made in 1997 and the Leeza show was in 1996).
5, DD in the B&B cannot move his lips in a healthy way, his lower lip is too loose. (you can see it on the photo above but it's more clear when you watch the video). DD in the Leeza show has no problem with his lips, they are healthy.
6, DD in the B&B is a little cross-eyed, like on every photo about the real DD. The DD in the Leeza show has very similar eyes to Michael's eyes - not crossed and the distance between them is bigger."
And don't forget the DD who sits on a chair and looks way more similar to the DD in B&B.
you're right,i must confess..for me,the eyes have betrayed him.it's the only thing to me wich separate the real from the fake DD
All your points are good and make me reconsider my opinion,thank you :)
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I have to admit i really don't know about the DD on Leeza..I see he looks different,his face is less elongated than real DD's pics..but i don't know,maybe they have used a lot of make up..because when i see his neck,it looks similar to the real..
but in Larry king,i'm SURE SURE SURE SURE!!!it's wasn't the real Dave because it's not the same neck :lol: and it's not the same expression on his face,on the eyes..really different i "can feel it" :lol:
It's his neck what's bugging me too: his adam's apple looks a little similar.
But if you watch a comparison video about DD in B&B and DD on Leeza Show, you can see that everything is different but the adam's apple. At least IMO...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6u1jL0LgGs) from 4:02
What is very different is the way DD move his lips. And his teeth... Note that the Leeza interview was in 1996 and the B&B was in 1997. Only one year difference and his teeth became less ordered! As I said earlier here: "Their lips are very different too - the real DD cannot move his lips normally, as I can see, and his lower lip is very loose. Probably the reconstruction surgery wasn't that successful, or this is the best they could achieve. (I read that his mother said "his lips were gone".)"
On this thread viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12139&start=50 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12139&start=50) I wrote a longer opinion of mine:
"In a few points I can say that what convinced me that it was the real DD in the B&B and Michael on the Leeza show are the followings:
1, The real DD's right earlobe is basically missing, just like the Dave's in the B&B - but the DD on the Leeza show has a right earlobe.
2, The real DD's skin on his face and his neck is less tense/more damaged, which we can see only when the light is better in the B&B (generally there is not much light, so DD's skin looks better). You can see his damaged skin on the second photo I posted above. But the DD on the Leeza show has a tense and nice skin in the whole video - and there is way more light.
3, DD's face is narrow/longish in the B&B, and as I found, his face has always looked like this. He is especially thin in the B&B but his face still looks longish now, and looked also this way when he was a teenager. The DD's face in the Leeza show is similar to Michael's (except that the video is distorted so it's a bit wider), a little square (watch the chin).
4, DD's teeth in the B&B are less ordered than the DD's on the Leeza show, which suggests that they are different persons (I doubt his teeth got less ordered in one year, as the B&B was made in 1997 and the Leeza show was in 1996).
5, DD in the B&B cannot move his lips in a healthy way, his lower lip is too loose. (you can see it on the photo above but it's more clear when you watch the video). DD in the Leeza show has no problem with his lips, they are healthy.
6, DD in the B&B is a little cross-eyed, like on every photo about the real DD. The DD in the Leeza show has very similar eyes to Michael's eyes - not crossed and the distance between them is bigger."
And don't forget the DD who sits on a chair and looks way more similar to the DD in B&B.
you're right,i must confess..for me,the eyes have betrayed him.it's the only thing to me wich separate the real from the fake DD
All your points are good and make me reconsider my opinion,thank you :)
I don't know what the reason could have been for Michael (if it's really him) to appear as DD on the Leeza show though... But this short video about it can be found on YouTube since last June/July as I know, and I wonder why was it uploaded then... Maybe the original interview was changed for the hoax: they show Michael as DD instead of the real DD in the original, and the recording about Leeza remained the same. And maybe this is why DD sits in a sofa and not in a chair as on that photo...
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OMG, I not find any similarity, with or without makeup or anything else. :roll: :(
Which DD do you refer to - the one on LKL or the one on the Leeza show?
You put that sad face to your post - would you like some help? I'm not sure I can, but maybe...
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If you compare the 2 pictures where DD or whoever is wearing that checkered hat, light T-shirt and glasses...they look different. In one picture the T-shirt is white, in the other it's light blue. In one picture the glasses are clearly sitting on his nose and ears while in the other pic the frames are merely stuck to the side of his head but there's no earlobe to hold them. Also the necks look very different in both pictures, in one it's scarry and the surface uneven, the other neck seems quite normal. If you add that Leeze is sitting on a sofa and then she's sitting on a chair...VERY ODD, isn't it?? :shock:
As for the pic in the car and writing whatever: why would DD need to do that in the first place? It's like someone's got to learn questions and answers...Besides that guy totally looks like MJ in Ghosts (the mayor disguise). When I saw that pic I had to laugh! :lol:
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If you compare the 2 pictures where DD or whoever is wearing that checkered hat, light T-shirt and glasses...they look different. In one picture the T-shirt is white, in the other it's light blue. In one picture the glasses are clearly sitting on his nose and ears while in the other pic the frames are merely stuck to the side of his head but there's no earlobe to hold them. Also the necks look very different in both pictures, in one it's scarry and the surface uneven, the other neck seems quite normal. If you add that Leeze is sitting on a sofa and then she's sitting on a chair...VERY ODD, isn't it?? :shock:
As for the pic in the car and writing whatever: why would DD need to do that in the first place? It's like someone's got to learn questions and answers...Besides that guy totally looks like MJ in Ghosts (the mayor disguise). When I saw that pic I had to laugh! :lol:
They wear their glasses similarly, it's "only" their ears which are different...
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Also, their hats don't fit the same. The hat on DD sitting in the sofa is much bigger than DD's hat who sits in the chair.
With friendlikeme81 we agreed that the Leeza video is distorted (wider, Leeza's face is wider too) and she narrowed the photo of DD sitting in the sofa, and made a comparison taking the hat as a criteria:
"For comparing the pictures of DD at Leeza's (sitting in armchair and sitting on the sofa) we could take the structure of the black&white cap as a criteria. I tried to make the cap look the same and it shows that the broadness of the face also becomes almost the same.
The skin between both DD's is different, the one during the interview has a much smoother skin than the one sitting on the chair, but also Leeza has a very unnatural looking smooth skin. So this is not an absolutley certain proof. But what's really different is the chin. The real DD has a longer chin and a smaller jaw line than the DD in the interview. It also seems as if the tip of the nose of the DaveDave during the interview is a bit higher."
I add that their eyes still look very different too.
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I add that their eyes still look very different too.
That plus there is like at least a centimeter difference in the chin.
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I just have to say (again) that this is more entertaining than any movie I've ever seen :D
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just a thought..Dave Dave has posted many pics of him on his myspace,right?!
He has posted some of "The bold and the beautiful" ..i wonder why he hasn't posted some of the Leeza's show or some with Larry King?
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
:? I haven't seen any close-ups of him ..
I think he was the same DD who was in the car with Miko Brando ...but in this case,if DD as LK-DD was there,who was hatman..we will never know lol
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
;)[attachment=0:3st3bxre]24893_103514819688846_100000909848118_26766_8044368_n.jpg[/attachment:3st3bxre]
Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
:? I haven't seen any close-ups of him ..
I think he was the same DD who was in the car with Miko Brando ...but in this case,if DD as LK-DD was there,who was hatman..we will never know lol
I think he probably sat in the strange place to be noticed. Because it was Michael Jackson disguised at his own funeral.
I also think hatman was a diversion. Don't know who it is. But he's the most obvious candidate to be MJ in disguise. Just like Mike always said, it's an illusion. You have to divert their attention elsewhere while the real trick is going on. :D
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
;)[attachment=0:tm2ww60k]24893_103514819688846_100000909848118_26766_8044368_n.jpg[/attachment:tm2ww60k]
Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
:? I haven't seen any close-ups of him ..
I think he was the same DD who was in the car with Miko Brando ...but in this case,if DD as LK-DD was there,who was hatman..we will never know lol
I think he probably sat in the strange place to be noticed. Because it was Michael Jackson disguised at his own funeral.
I also think hatman was a diversion. Don't know who it is. But he's the most obvious candidate to be MJ in disguise. Just like Mike always said, it's an illusion. You have to divert their attention elsewhere while the real trick is going on. :D
But in that case we should have seen a close-up of him, I guess...
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Was Mr. Magoo ever debunked?
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
:? I haven't seen any close-ups of him ..
I think he was the same DD who was in the car with Miko Brando ...but in this case,if DD as LK-DD was there,who was hatman..we will never know lol
I think he probably sat in the strange place to be noticed. Because it was Michael Jackson disguised at his own funeral.
I also think hatman was a diversion. Don't know who it is. But he's the most obvious candidate to be MJ in disguise. Just like Mike always said, it's an illusion. You have to divert their attention elsewhere while the real trick is going on. :D
But in that case we should have seen a close-up of him, I guess...
Shoulda, woulda, coulda lol... I don't think that matters much. The camera focused so much on hatman that we didn't notice anyone else. Maybe that was the point. For me, Dave on LKL was enough proof that it was Michael and, therefore, Michael isn't dead. But maybe that's just me...
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
;)[attachment=0:1bd7q9lb]24893_103514819688846_100000909848118_26766_8044368_n.jpg[/attachment:1bd7q9lb]
Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
:? I haven't seen any close-ups of him ..
I think he was the same DD who was in the car with Miko Brando ...but in this case,if DD as LK-DD was there,who was hatman..we will never know lol
I think he probably sat in the strange place to be noticed. Because it was Michael Jackson disguised at his own funeral.
I also think hatman was a diversion. Don't know who it is. But he's the most obvious candidate to be MJ in disguise. Just like Mike always said, it's an illusion. You have to divert their attention elsewhere while the real trick is going on. :D
But in that case we should have seen a close-up of him, I guess...
Shoulda, woulda, coulda lol... I don't think that matters much. The camera focused so much on hatman that we didn't notice anyone else. Maybe that was the point. For me, Dave on LKL was enough proof that it was Michael and, therefore, Michael isn't dead. But maybe that's just me...
I'm with you. The hat man seems like a bait to me. But like you say, it's not important cause DD on LKL is totally MJ. I mean he's got this vibe and you can't fake that, ever. There's only 1 MJ and it was him on LKL. 8-)
But it's strange nobody knows who the hat man or the blonde is...
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
;)[attachment=0:3a47yadu]24893_103514819688846_100000909848118_26766_8044368_n.jpg[/attachment:3a47yadu]
Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
:? I haven't seen any close-ups of him ..
I think he was the same DD who was in the car with Miko Brando ...but in this case,if DD as LK-DD was there,who was hatman..we will never know lol
I think he probably sat in the strange place to be noticed. Because it was Michael Jackson disguised at his own funeral.
I also think hatman was a diversion. Don't know who it is. But he's the most obvious candidate to be MJ in disguise. Just like Mike always said, it's an illusion. You have to divert their attention elsewhere while the real trick is going on. :D
But in that case we should have seen a close-up of him, I guess...
Shoulda, woulda, coulda lol... I don't think that matters much. The camera focused so much on hatman that we didn't notice anyone else. Maybe that was the point. For me, Dave on LKL was enough proof that it was Michael and, therefore, Michael isn't dead. But maybe that's just me...
I'm with you. The hat man seems like a bait to me. But like you say, it's not important cause DD on LKL is totally MJ. I mean he's got this vibe and you can't fake that, ever. There's only 1 MJ and it was him on LKL. 8-)
But it's strange nobody knows who the hat man or the blonde is...
I agree, strange indeed. Could be anyone. Could be friends of his in disguises of their own to help with the diversion.
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
:? I haven't seen any close-ups of him ..
I think he was the same DD who was in the car with Miko Brando ...but in this case,if DD as LK-DD was there,who was hatman..we will never know lol
I think he probably sat in the strange place to be noticed. Because it was Michael Jackson disguised at his own funeral.
I also think hatman was a diversion. Don't know who it is. But he's the most obvious candidate to be MJ in disguise. Just like Mike always said, it's an illusion. You have to divert their attention elsewhere while the real trick is going on. :D
But in that case we should have seen a close-up of him, I guess...
Shoulda, woulda, coulda lol... I don't think that matters much. The camera focused so much on hatman that we didn't notice anyone else. Maybe that was the point. For me, Dave on LKL was enough proof that it was Michael and, therefore, Michael isn't dead. But maybe that's just me...
No, that's not just you :) Seeing Michael on LKL as DD is still the biggest help for me to believe that he is alive.
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
:? I haven't seen any close-ups of him ..
I think he was the same DD who was in the car with Miko Brando ...but in this case,if DD as LK-DD was there,who was hatman..we will never know lol
I think he probably sat in the strange place to be noticed. Because it was Michael Jackson disguised at his own funeral.
I also think hatman was a diversion. Don't know who it is. But he's the most obvious candidate to be MJ in disguise. Just like Mike always said, it's an illusion. You have to divert their attention elsewhere while the real trick is going on. :D
But in that case we should have seen a close-up of him, I guess...
Shoulda, woulda, coulda lol... I don't think that matters much. The camera focused so much on hatman that we didn't notice anyone else. Maybe that was the point. For me, Dave on LKL was enough proof that it was Michael and, therefore, Michael isn't dead. But maybe that's just me...
No, that's not just you :) Seeing Michael on LKL as DD is still the biggest help for me to believe that he is alive.
Good to hear! I think that was Michael's BIGGEST clue to us. Even if everything else is hard to understand, we got to see him with our own eyes. And the eyes have it, like TMZ said...that means two things to me: MY eyes have it, because they can SEE that it was Michael Jackson. And "Dave Dave's" eyes have it because they were Michael's eyes. Case closed :D
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hmm Must say something..LOL i have posted something here i don't know where it went :lol: :lol: I have to re-write
So ..
Good point JacilovesMichael..Michael's sentence is so true in this case..
But yes,no close-up of DD ...we could see a lot of close-up but no of DD ..TMZ has published some pics and no DD again ..
I know the guests arrived early and the family at night ..DD wasn't with the guests so !
And ..a thought...this pic makes me laught because a burial is supposed to be class or little bit aesthetic no? and Dave Dave is sit on a chair in the middle of the way while there was some chairs unoccupied ...
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I know the guests arrived early and the family at night ..DD wasn't with the guests so !
And ..a thought...this pic makes me laught because a burial is supposed to be class or little bit aesthetic no? and Dave Dave is sit on a chair in the middle of the way while there was some chairs unoccupied ...
Maybe they wanted us to believe that LK-DD arrived there later than the other guests, as he was on LKL during many guests already arrived (I believe that LKL was not live). Anyway, it looks very strange that he sits there. In a normal situation he could have sat somewhere in the back if he was late and nobody reserved a place for him.
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
:? I haven't seen any close-ups of him ..
I think he was the same DD who was in the car with Miko Brando ...but in this case,if DD as LK-DD was there,who was hatman..we will never know lol
I think he probably sat in the strange place to be noticed. Because it was Michael Jackson disguised at his own funeral.
I also think hatman was a diversion. Don't know who it is. But he's the most obvious candidate to be MJ in disguise. Just like Mike always said, it's an illusion. You have to divert their attention elsewhere while the real trick is going on. :D
But in that case we should have seen a close-up of him, I guess...
Shoulda, woulda, coulda lol... I don't think that matters much. The camera focused so much on hatman that we didn't notice anyone else. Maybe that was the point. For me, Dave on LKL was enough proof that it was Michael and, therefore, Michael isn't dead. But maybe that's just me...
No, that's not just you :) Seeing Michael on LKL as DD is still the biggest help for me to believe that he is alive.
:D I´m with you all!
maybe "DD" went to LKL to have the excuse to be late at burial, we Know or supose the LKL interview was pre-recorded so maybe they have the perfect excuse to arrive late and not alone, with MIKO... :lol: Michael all the way!!!! I love HIM! :mrgreen: he is next to LIZ?
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I know the guests arrived early and the family at night ..DD wasn't with the guests so !
And ..a thought...this pic makes me laught because a burial is supposed to be class or little bit aesthetic no? and Dave Dave is sit on a chair in the middle of the way while there was some chairs unoccupied ...
Maybe they wanted us to believe that LK-DD arrived there later than the other guests, as he was on LKL during many guests already arrived (I believe that LKL was not live). Anyway, it looks very strange that he sits there. In a normal situation he could have sat somewhere in the back if he was late and nobody reserved a place for him.
there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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Thanks! By now I forgot that he sat at that strange place. Why there?
By the way, I don't remember seeing any close-ups of him there at the burial. Do we have any?
Was he the real DD or the LK-DD?
:? I haven't seen any close-ups of him ..
I think he was the same DD who was in the car with Miko Brando ...but in this case,if DD as LK-DD was there,who was hatman..we will never know lol
I think he probably sat in the strange place to be noticed. Because it was Michael Jackson disguised at his own funeral.
I also think hatman was a diversion. Don't know who it is. But he's the most obvious candidate to be MJ in disguise. Just like Mike always said, it's an illusion. You have to divert their attention elsewhere while the real trick is going on. :D
But in that case we should have seen a close-up of him, I guess...
Shoulda, woulda, coulda lol... I don't think that matters much. The camera focused so much on hatman that we didn't notice anyone else. Maybe that was the point. For me, Dave on LKL was enough proof that it was Michael and, therefore, Michael isn't dead. But maybe that's just me...
No, that's not just you :) Seeing Michael on LKL as DD is still the biggest help for me to believe that he is alive.
:D I´m with you all!
maybe "DD" went to LKL to have the excuse to be late at burial, we Know or supose the LKL interview was pre-recorded so maybe they have the perfect excuse to arrive late and not alone, with MIKO... :lol: Michael all the way!!!! I love HIM! :mrgreen: he is next to LIZ?
Yes,it's like they wanted to show him especially..He is in the middle of the way to pay attention to him..
If i remember yes he is next to Liz
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DD was not late at the funeral, we see him sitting in the aisle even while others arrived.
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He pulled up the chair and moved it next to LIz. No one would do that unless they were a close friend. He also spoke at the burial. Why? Where was he days after Mj died? Why show up on LKL in Sept, speak at the burial and then disappear into the computer? No more interviews, now more videos, except the weird one he posted on line.
I hear his speech at the burial was very MJ like. Talking about the world and love. Maybe I'm wrong but the real DD on Myspace doesn't seem concerned about saving the planet. He's just a regular guy who is going to school with a girlfriend. Also, I don't think we'll ever see footage of the burial, maybe MJ slipped up when speaking as DD but caught himself. Maybe the family has it under lock and key. Isnt' it strange how all that high tech camera equipment was there, but we've never seen any footage once the kids placed the crown on the casket. Also remember how upset Randy was because the choppers were flying over. Maybe he knows that if there was any footage of DD talking, especially after that LKL interview, the truth would be clear.
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DD was not late at the funeral, we see him sitting in the aisle even while others arrived.
[attachment=0:9bjz283l]dave dave sitting in the aisle at the funeral II.jpg[/attachment:9bjz283l]
So guys, I tell you what. This DD on the pic at the funeral is NOT the same guy that was on LKL. Look at his shoulders :!: The guy sitting on the chair is clearly very thin with slooping shoulders, not like the one with VERY broad shoulders in LKL. Get my point? ;)
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He pulled up the chair and moved it next to LIz. No one would do that unless they were a close friend. He also spoke at the burial. Why? Where was he days after Mj died? Why show up on LKL in Sept, speak at the burial and then disappear into the computer? No more interviews, now more videos, except the weird one he posted on line.
I hear his speech at the burial was very MJ like. Talking about the world and love. Maybe I'm wrong but the real DD on Myspace doesn't seem concerned about saving the planet. He's just a regular guy who is going to school with a girlfriend. Also, I don't think we'll ever see footage of the burial, maybe MJ slipped up when speaking as DD but caught himself. Maybe the family has it under lock and key. Isnt' it strange how all that high tech camera equipment was there, but we've never seen any footage once the kids placed the crown on the casket. Also remember how upset Randy was because the choppers were flying over. Maybe he knows that if there was any footage of DD talking, especially after that LKL interview, the truth would be clear.
I find it strange that he was the speaker at the burial but didn't even have his own seat?? I mean there has to be a reason why he is sitting in the aisle,next to Liz, supposedly.
Btw I think it was prohibited to take any photos of/shoot the funeral once it's started. But not sure, just think I heard that somewhere.
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DD was not late at the funeral, we see him sitting in the aisle even while others arrived.
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But it's quite dark already...
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He pulled up the chair and moved it next to LIz. No one would do that unless they were a close friend. He also spoke at the burial. Why? Where was he days after Mj died? Why show up on LKL in Sept, speak at the burial and then disappear into the computer? No more interviews, now more videos, except the weird one he posted on line.
I hear his speech at the burial was very MJ like. Talking about the world and love. Maybe I'm wrong but the real DD on Myspace doesn't seem concerned about saving the planet. He's just a regular guy who is going to school with a girlfriend. Also, I don't think we'll ever see footage of the burial, maybe MJ slipped up when speaking as DD but caught himself. Maybe the family has it under lock and key. Isnt' it strange how all that high tech camera equipment was there, but we've never seen any footage once the kids placed the crown on the casket. Also remember how upset Randy was because the choppers were flying over. Maybe he knows that if there was any footage of DD talking, especially after that LKL interview, the truth would be clear.
I find it strange that he was the speaker at the burial but didn't even have his own seat?? I mean there has to be a reason why he is sitting in the aisle,next to Liz, supposedly.
Btw I think it was prohibited to take any photos of/shoot the funeral once it's started. But not sure, just think I heard that somewhere.
Strange indeed.
Didn't anyone (from us) recorded it?
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DD was not late at the funeral, we see him sitting in the aisle even while others arrived.
[attachment=1:1b7wo264]dave dave sitting in the aisle at the funeral II.jpg[/attachment:1b7wo264]
So guys, I tell you what. This DD on the pic at the funeral is NOT the same guy that was on LKL. Look at his shoulders :!: The guy sitting on the chair is clearly very thin with slooping shoulders, not like the one with VERY broad shoulders in LKL. Get my point? ;)
Wow, why did I never notice that? That's why it is good to look at the pictures with fresh eyes again.
It is indeed not the same jacket, at least.
And at a closer look, it seems as if there are other significant differences.
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DaveDave at the funeral has a shorter jaw line in side view and he does not have the typical hunch of Michael. DD at the funeral has a more upright head position. All together, the guy sitting next to Liz looks younger than Michael as DD in the interview with Larry.
Maybe DaveDave sitting in the aisle is the distraction this time?
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DD was not late at the funeral, we see him sitting in the aisle even while others arrived.
[attachment=1:23d4at64]dave dave sitting in the aisle at the funeral II.jpg[/attachment:23d4at64]
So guys, I tell you what. This DD on the pic at the funeral is NOT the same guy that was on LKL. Look at his shoulders :!: The guy sitting on the chair is clearly very thin with slooping shoulders, not like the one with VERY broad shoulders in LKL. Get my point? ;)
Wow, why did I never notice that? That's why it is good to look at the pictures with fresh eyes again.
It is indeed not the same jacket, at least.
And at a closer look, it seems as if there are other significant differences.
[attachment=0:23d4at64]davedave cc and funeral.jpg[/attachment:23d4at64]
DaveDave at the funeral has a shorter jaw line in side view and he does not have the typical hunch of Michael. DD at the funeral has a more upright head position. All together, the guy sitting next to Liz looks younger than Michael as DD in the interview with Larry.
Maybe DaveDave sitting in the aisle is the distraction this time?
But if Dave was the distraction, then what was Hatman's purpose? :o :lol:
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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In front and to Dave Dave's right is Elizabeth Taylor. To his right is also at least one of the men who accompanied Liz Taylor to the funeral (bodyguards?). They are holding onto the wheelchair handles.
Now why would DD sit with these 2 guys and does he know Elizabeth Taylor well?
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[attachment=1:dypxebul]men liz.jpg[/attachment:dypxebul]
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At about 2:14 you can see Liz arrive with the blonde and these two men, she is in a wheelchair. (you can also see the "floating" light thing that seems to be not attached to anything, if that is even possible :lol: )
[youtube:dypxebul]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoTWVvGl6I[/youtube:dypxebul]
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Well..or :!: DD was sitting in the aisle for us to notice that it is NOT the same guy. It would have been much more difficult to see the difference if he were sitting in the row with ppl around him. Well, just a thought.
The hat man and the blonde still remain a mystery, I admit. I would need to see a close-up on the hat man again...It'd also be good if we could ask someone (maybe the bodyguards?) if they know who those 2 are??
Duh...hard work :D
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Odd that dd is sitted on the way.
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And about "Hat man"
Hat man reminds me of Debbie Rowe (sorry Debbie :oops: )
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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In front and to Dave Dave's right is Elizabeth Taylor. To his right is also at least one of the men who accompanied Liz Taylor to the funeral (bodyguards?). They are holding onto the wheelchair handles.
Now why would DD sit with these 2 guys and does he know Elizabeth Taylor well?
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[attachment=1:14j72buu]men liz.jpg[/attachment:14j72buu]
[attachment=0:14j72buu]men 2.jpg[/attachment:14j72buu]
At about 2:14 you can see Liz arrive with the blonde and these two men, she is in a wheelchair. (you can also see the "floating" light thing that seems to be not attached to anything, if that is even possible :lol: )
[youtube:14j72buu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoTWVvGl6I[/youtube:14j72buu]
Isnt is strange that almost in every pic from the funeral the hat man is holding a cell phone in his hand? Like what's so important??? Is he chatting to someone or what?
I don't know if DD knows Liz very well but think of it: if it was MJ on LKL, DD must be aware of it, that's obvious. So I can imagine DD would be sitting next to Liz (I'm sure she was dying to know the details :lol: )
As for the lighting fixture: I've worked in the movie industry for a while, they use ropes to tie it to buildings, trees, whatever is available around, nothing odd there. We just can't see the ropes in this pic ;)
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there is a few days i said that Dave Dave was at the burial i have found the pics for those who haven't seen him
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In front and to Dave Dave's right is Elizabeth Taylor. To his right is also at least one of the men who accompanied Liz Taylor to the funeral (bodyguards?). They are holding onto the wheelchair handles.
Now why would DD sit with these 2 guys and does he know Elizabeth Taylor well?
[attachment=2:33vffu3f]DD.jpg[/attachment:33vffu3f]
[attachment=1:33vffu3f]men liz.jpg[/attachment:33vffu3f]
[attachment=0:33vffu3f]men 2.jpg[/attachment:33vffu3f]
At about 2:14 you can see Liz arrive with the blonde and these two men, she is in a wheelchair. (you can also see the "floating" light thing that seems to be not attached to anything, if that is even possible :lol: )
[youtube:33vffu3f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoTWVvGl6I[/youtube:33vffu3f]
I THINK OF THE IDENTITY OF THE BLONDE WITH LIZ SINCE THE FUNERAL... AND NOW DD NEXT TO LIZ... :roll:
AT SOME POINT HATMAN WAS LOOKING TO LIZ AND HAVE HIS CELL OFF COURSE... :?
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Hatman is pretty interesting (the burial one, not the memorial one).
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And about "Hat man"
Hat man reminds me of Debbie Rowe (sorry Debbie :oops: )
This has me laughing so hard, Gema. I am just imagining Debbie being in this disguise. :lol:
So there were multiple people, in disguises at both the memorial and the funeral. Talk about illusion, distraction and misdirection! ;)
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But if Dave was the distraction, then what was Hatman's purpose? :o :lol:
Do we have any closeups of Hatman at night?
[attachment=0:2624v4m8]hatman at funeral at night.jpg[/attachment:2624v4m8]
This was all I could get so far.
My guess is: Hatman at daylight could have been a stand-in to raise suspicion.
As soon as DD appeared, DD became the suspect, so Hatman was free to be replaced by the real Michael, who was relieved from speaking in front of the people in disguise and could follow his burial in person.
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And about "Hat man"
Hat man reminds me of Debbie Rowe (sorry Debbie :oops: )
This has me laughing so hard, Gema. I am just imagining Debbie being in this disguise. :lol:
So there were multiple people, in disguises at both the memorial and the funeral. Talk about illusion, distraction and misdirection! ;)
:lol: every time I saw "hatman" at the funeral looking at the phone, I saw Debbie Rowe in disguise :lol:
I am soooorryyyyyyyy :lol:
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I've never said such a silly thing in connection with the hoax, but Liz surrounded by these three "mystery" persons suddenly made me think of the Wiz.
Liz: Dorothy
The Blonde: Lion
Hatman: Tinman
Dave Dave: Scarecrow=Michael
Sorry...
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And about "Hat man"
Hat man reminds me of Debbie Rowe (sorry Debbie :oops: )
This has me laughing so hard, Gema. I am just imagining Debbie being in this disguise. :lol:
So there were multiple people, in disguises at both the memorial and the funeral. Talk about illusion, distraction and misdirection! ;)
:lol: every time I saw "hatman" at the funeral looking at the phone, I saw Debbie Rowe in disguise :lol:
I am soooorryyyyyyyy :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: i'm sorry Too but you're so riiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhht :lol: :lol: :lol: ..sorry sorry sorry if Debbie can read us ...*whistles*
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OH my if u look at the 2 pictures at the bottom at the first page of this topic, that right eybrow of MJ is the same as DD's :o
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I have always thought 100% that the LK DD was in fact MJ.... The mannerisms, the tone of speech, the looks, the eyes, the eyebrows, the complexion is soooo much different than all the other photo's of DD and his weight.
There is no way in hell that is DD!!
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:shock: is it just me or doesn't the landscaping of the funeral (daytime) look too dull? It's way too dull, it is lacking color... It seems like a back drop from a movie set. I've looked at every single photo and even the video.... The landscaping is the same dull color.
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Hi, I am new here and think this a fantastic forum :) I had a look at the comparison photos of MJ and 'Dave Dave' and noticed the only difference is the distance between the eyebrows: Dave Dave's eyebrows seem to be closer together than MJ's. Do you think this could have been achieved through the size of the nose or some other makeup effect (if that makes sense)? When I read further down people saying MJ's eyebrows are simply covered up, I googled the real dave dave and if you see the photo of him with a black bandana, you can see where his eyebrows are meant to be, but instead they seem non-existent. In the same photo it also looks like his left eye is blue-greenish, and his right eye is brown.
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Those are the SAME eyes! That seals the deal for me everytime I see it...
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Those are the SAME eyes! That seals the deal for me everytime I see it...
Me too NO DOUBT !
when i watch this video,everytime,i think the same:'im not crazy,it's Michael !
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Hi, I am new here and think this a fantastic forum :) I had a look at the comparison photos of MJ and 'Dave Dave' and noticed the only difference is the distance between the eyebrows: Dave Dave's eyebrows seem to be closer together than MJ's. Do you think this could have been achieved through the size of the nose or some other makeup effect (if that makes sense)? When I read further down people saying MJ's eyebrows are simply covered up, I googled the real dave dave and if you see the photo of him with a black bandana, you can see where his eyebrows are meant to be, but instead they seem non-existent. In the same photo it also looks like his left eye is blue-greenish, and his right eye is brown.
Hi EyeHeartMJ, welcome!
I think "DD"'s eyebrows look closer together, because through the mask Michael wears, we can only see the structures of his bones, not his eyebrows (which start farer from his nose than his bones "suggests"). I just checked it on my face :) but, of course, everyone's bones are different.
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Here is another one.
To me Is Dave Dave's nose on LKL smaller then on other pictures...Or am I crazy? :lol:
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Those are the SAME eyes! That seals the deal for me everytime I see it...
I also think that the eyes are very Michaelesque as well as the body language.
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Here is another one.
To me Is Dave Dave's nose on LKL smaller then on other pictures...Or am I crazy? :lol:
Do you mean this comparison?
I think DD's nose looks bigger here only because he is too close to the camera.
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Here Michael's fake nose looks the bigger one :)
And the fake nose seems to be longer too... Anyway, they are different in many ways... their whole faces, not just their noses :)
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Has anyone actually seen the Leeza show televised? Because the only Youtube video I saw was posted on the 2nd July 2009...
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[youtube:331ulgr9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4CkETwJY1U&feature=related[/youtube:331ulgr9]
You mean this video?
I get shivers when I watch this video, I don't know why...
He says he was MJ's secret friend, but why is he never seen with the biggest star in the world? That seems to me an urban legend story, because the paparazzi was alwas near MJ. Why does he suddenly appears after MJ's ''death''? We had never heard of him before...and then BAM! He is there...so suddenly. It's wierd. :?
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Here Michael's fake nose looks the bigger one :)
And the fake nose seems to be longer too... Anyway, they are different in many ways... their whole faces, not just their noses :)
I see clearly Michael's very small, narrow nose in LKL DD. When I look at these nares I can't help but smile. This is exactly Michael's nose with the fake nose on it, but still so visible. Its narrowness is not garbled. The real Dave's nose is broader.
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He pulled up the chair and moved it next to LIz. No one would do that unless they were a close friend. He also spoke at the burial. Why? Where was he days after Mj died? Why show up on LKL in Sept, speak at the burial and then disappear into the computer? No more interviews, now more videos, except the weird one he posted on line.
I hear his speech at the burial was very MJ like. Talking about the world and love. Maybe I'm wrong but the real DD on Myspace doesn't seem concerned about saving the planet. He's just a regular guy who is going to school with a girlfriend. Also, I don't think we'll ever see footage of the burial, maybe MJ slipped up when speaking as DD but caught himself. Maybe the family has it under lock and key. Isnt' it strange how all that high tech camera equipment was there, but we've never seen any footage once the kids placed the crown on the casket. Also remember how upset Randy was because the choppers were flying over. Maybe he knows that if there was any footage of DD talking, especially after that LKL interview, the truth would be clear.
I find it strange that he was the speaker at the burial but didn't even have his own seat?? I mean there has to be a reason why he is sitting in the aisle,next to Liz, supposedly.
Btw I think it was prohibited to take any photos of/shoot the funeral once it's started. But not sure, just think I heard that somewhere.
Just a thought maybe DD was sitting next to liz because it was mike, and he wanted to sit next to liz?
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[youtube:2alyy23j]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4CkETwJY1U&feature=related[/youtube:2alyy23j]
You mean this video?
I get shivers when I watch this video, I don't know why...
He says he was MJ's secret friend, but why is he never seen with the biggest star in the world? That seems to me an urban legend story, because the paparazzi was alwas near MJ. Why does he suddenly appears after MJ's ''death''? We had never heard of him before...and then BAM! He is there...so suddenly. It's wierd. :?
My thoughts exactly! In the Leeza video he refers to him as Boo. Is this a play on words (MJ is saying Boo! It's me, did I scare you?) If Michael was such a great 'friend' to him, why not say his name and praise him (especially IF this was the 1997, as his image may have been repaired slightly if DD said how wonderful he was). The fact he holds back his name draws people in, get people's interest, MJ would know the power of that. But yet, in LKL he openly says it was Michael he was friends with. Maybe DD was scared of being bombarded by MJ fans after the Leeza show but that's silly to think that when he doesn't hold back on LKL.
Keep in mind that MJ sung a song in The Simpsons in secret, so I've heard. 'Happy Birthday Lisa' but apparently he didn't tell anyone he was doing it. I remember watching it as a teenager a few years ago but obviously now I'd recognise the voice very quickly...I guess many people did that. So I guess MJ held back and just let people be surprised. If he can do that in secret, what else is he doing? ;)
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I just found this thread- amazing pictures and also great observations about the nose.
I have to admit, as a person who initially was too afraid to hope that my weird feeling that Michael is alive could possibly be true, I had not even watched the Dave Dave LK appearance until about a week or so ago. Then I about fell out. What I HAVE watched are hours and hours and hours of Michael interviews. I even watched that forever long 93 deposition. As soon as I saw the Dave Dave LK video, I was convinced it was Michael. The way he intonates words is the same. His voice rises and falls on interesting points in his sentences. The gesturing is the same. Certain eye movements are the same. The way his eyes look remind me SO much of Ghosts. I am trained to look at non verbal communication- and it was so uncanny it gave me chills.
My daughter saw me when I watched it and started screaming- OMG, that's Michael, no doubt. And she was NOT EVER a hoax believer. It totally freaked her out. She also pointed out that he looked toward the left a lot (which people do when they are not telling the truth- or when they want to call attention to making someone think they are not telling the truth).
The top of this thread exactly makes me point re gesturing- Michael had such a characteristic way in interviews. Plus, there are the "coincidences" of Dave looking totally different in other appearances; of Michael - eh, Dave, saying MJ did not pay for his surgeries, when later Marlon said he did (Michael feeling uncomfortable about taking credit for doing something for others- which would be in character)...so no, too many coincidences for my taste. That was Michael in that appearance. I have many doubts about many things, but I am pretty convinced on that one.
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I just found this thread- amazing pictures and also great observations about the nose.
I have to admit, as a person who initially was too afraid to hope that my weird feeling that Michael is alive could possibly be true, I had not even watched the Dave Dave LK appearance until about a week or so ago. Then I about fell out. What I HAVE watched are hours and hours and hours of Michael interviews. I even watched that forever long 93 deposition. As soon as I saw the Dave Dave LK video, I was convinced it was Michael. The way he intonates words is the same. His voice rises and falls on interesting points in his sentences. The gesturing is the same. Certain eye movements are the same. The way his eyes look remind me SO much of Ghosts. I am trained to look at non verbal communication- and it was so uncanny it gave me chills.
My daughter saw me when I watched it and started screaming- OMG, that's Michael, no doubt. And she was NOT EVER a hoax believer. It totally freaked her out. She also pointed out that he looked toward the left a lot (which people do when they are not telling the truth- or when they want to call attention to making someone think they are not telling the truth).
The top of this thread exactly makes me point re gesturing- Michael had such a characteristic way in interviews. Plus, there are the "coincidences" of Dave looking totally different in other appearances; of Michael - eh, Dave, saying MJ did not pay for his surgeries, when later Marlon said he did (Michael feeling uncomfortable about taking credit for doing something for others- which would be in character)...so no, too many coincidences for my taste. That was Michael in that appearance. I have many doubts about many things, but I am pretty convinced on that one.
Not being a smartarse but I have read that when you lie you tend to look up and to the right. The right side of the brain is the creative side, ie you're creating the story/images rather than recalling them. The left side of your brain is associated with logic and recalling memories. But it doesn't matter, the similarities are still plain to see. 8-)
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I long ago gave up the idea of Michael as Dave Dave but, after seeing your pictures my interest is
once again peaked! Especially seeing the eyebrow comparison!
WOW, just..WOW!!!!!!! :o
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INot being a smartarse but I have read that when you lie you tend to look up and to the right. The right side of the brain is the creative side, ie you're creating the story/images rather than recalling them. The left side of your brain is associated with logic and recalling memories. But it doesn't matter, the similarities are still plain to see. 8-)
LOL- no, you are being correct. I am so freaking dyslexic, I meant right. Just ask my family, clients, etc- poor hubby is a longtime sufferer from my inability to say right when I mean right etc.
Btw- there are interesting studies that this seems to be dependent on dexterity- left handed people tend to look left...
Either way- yes, looking right is a lie (getting visual cues), left is recalling memories. BAD therapist! :lol: