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Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: jenwren20 on July 13, 2010, 11:40:32 PM

Title: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: jenwren20 on July 13, 2010, 11:40:32 PM
um, ok......

This is getting scary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy ... m1hKd3DMLk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy7p4&playnext_from=TL&videos=Xm1hKd3DMLk)

This video was just posted on You Tube by Hollywood.tv

( Thanks to seeingclues for posting on twitter)

Brings a whole new meaning to, see you in July.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: 2good2btrue on July 13, 2010, 11:43:25 PM
[youtube:373eziet]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy7p4&playnext_from=TL&videos=Xm1hKd3DMLk[/youtube:373eziet]
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Hazzely on July 13, 2010, 11:59:19 PM
http://vforvanquish.com/ (http://vforvanquish.com/)

I don't think it's a clue, but a WAKE UP CALL. A message! Whoever did this video did a great job
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Hazzely on July 14, 2010, 12:05:44 AM
(http://a.imageshack.us/img709/7091/adafn.png) (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/adafn.png/)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: jenwren20 on July 14, 2010, 12:11:58 AM
yes, I saw that too :D
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Yambo3003 on July 14, 2010, 01:14:52 AM
I Shall Return Within Two Years
DateThursday, July 17, 2008 at 04:37PM

I must disappear for an extended spell, but vouchsafe that I shall return before the important date of July 13, 2010.

Trust.







July 17, 2008? ....this is really weird and scary at the same time.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 14, 2010, 01:20:54 AM
Quote from: "jenwren20"
um, ok......

This is getting scary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy ... m1hKd3DMLk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy7p4&playnext_from=TL&videos=Xm1hKd3DMLk)

This video was just posted on You Tube by Hollywood.tv

( Thanks to seeingclues for posting on twitter)

Brings a whole new meaning to, see you in July.

Wow - July 13? That sure got my attention. Was it the mask? The words? The red curtain in the background? Him saying to look in the mirror? Hmm..interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: wishingstar on July 14, 2010, 01:29:29 AM
What's with the hollywood.tv banner at the bottom?
that is the site that was all over the ambulance video and others.....
very odd........
also, gematria game-time:
216=thirteenth of July = Neverland Valley Ranch
127=thirteenth= Moonwalker, black or white, Jordan Chandler

The word "thirteenth" seemed to stick out to me.
Just thinking out loud here......any other important ties to "thirteenth" or "thirteen" ?

L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: cin_pyt on July 14, 2010, 01:36:34 AM
peeps just when we thought things were pretty quiet here we go again hang on here we go again. Man in the mirror look at yourself in the mirror ok Mike. Now, even Vs hair reminds me of Mike the curtain. I'm freaked out Mike lol!  :lol:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: roxy101 on July 14, 2010, 01:40:16 AM
A message from anonymous?

[youtube:3ah3tnk7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0WCLKzDFpI[/youtube:3ah3tnk7]

It looks like the same people to me...
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on July 14, 2010, 01:45:09 AM
[youtube:1kbrl786]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy7p4&playnext_from=TL&videos=Xm1hKd3DMLk[/youtube:1kbrl786]



LoL...

I am very happy to see this.
I have been waiting to see if my "Vision" would materialize.

Ta da!

Back when I was helping Dmovie27 with his "micheal project" vids
and the user LastSevenWords posted the vid "Not enoughTime"
There is a quick flash on the screen of Roman Numerals VII

Subliminal messages trigger "Visions" for me.
I went to sleep that night and had a vision of seeing a message just like V did in the movie. No specific message just the scene.
I told This to Dmovie27
This is awesome confirmation for me..

I am NOT crazy after all..LOL

Peace

I would like to add that The sun God Ra is mentioned in This message. ;) Egypt :mrgreen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_(spirituality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_(spirituality))
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: nefari on July 14, 2010, 01:46:13 AM
That sounds like Michael's voice.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: cin_pyt on July 14, 2010, 01:49:36 AM
I say examine da hands are they Mike's lol! Here we go stills from O2 conference once more examined lol
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ForstAMoon on July 14, 2010, 01:54:29 AM
For some time already I have had the feeling that we will be seeing more and more strange stuff coming out of nowhere, not us believers but that it will hit the "outside" world. Like the "return" piece-by-piece process to get to a broader audience.

I like to think that this is just it.

And I also think I may declare myself officially insane: I rented and watched V for Vendetta for the first time yesterday night...
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: cin_pyt on July 14, 2010, 01:59:31 AM
I know one more year of this where will you have us Michael?  There will be a point yep the crazy ppl that think Mike is alive and then all shall take notice yes indeed he is Alive! It's not the right time for him and we must accept that and be open to his signs who knew the genius was soo quiet for awhile and now he throws this at us. So, it's not ending yet this does not end till the man wants.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: nefari on July 14, 2010, 02:08:53 AM
Forgive my being goofy but this is sort of like either painful torture or someone making mad passionate love and holding a partner on the brink of .....well....you know for like EVER lol!!!!! LIMBO!!!
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: loma on July 14, 2010, 02:18:36 AM
Quote from: "nefari"
Forgive my being goofy but this is sort of like either painful torture or someone making mad passionate love and holding a partner on the brink of .....well....you know for like EVER lol!!!!! LIMBO!!!
Same thing. :lol:
Nice imagination you got there..
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Game Player on July 14, 2010, 02:45:01 AM
What is Mr Joey Skaggs' birthday anyways? I only see it as (born 1945) on wiki.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: tekamjforever on July 14, 2010, 02:48:34 AM
Excuse me, do not want to sound negative, but I'm afraid of someone playing torment us, people know aqui...julho/2010/11/12...Manter eyes open, or at least one ... :?:
PS: your hands do not seem whitinizing ... :roll:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on July 14, 2010, 03:29:41 AM
A message from anonymous?

[youtube:3ci0x9ff]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0WCLKzDFpI[/youtube:3ci0x9ff]

Very Enlightening Message Anonymous.
Thank you.

You most definetly are an Activist with much concern.
Scientology is one.
medium..media.
started the anonymous storyboard and thought over a decade ago.
Well thought out.

Much to dissect from this message.

Peace
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Truth_or_Dare on July 14, 2010, 04:03:56 AM
Well this is really interesting. It was about time someone did something like that. I wonder what then director/writer of V for Vendetta will think  :lol:  Hopefully proud.
It's def.worth watching this guy and this project, regardless of WHO is behind that mask. I wonder what will come from now until next year, if he will somehow follow hat the movie did.
We'll see.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: dejavu on July 14, 2010, 04:05:03 AM
Sorry if someone already mentioned this but... July 13, 2009 was when the TII concerts would begin... coincidences everywhere  :roll:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: mattie on July 14, 2010, 04:28:10 AM
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
[youtube:3ct8zsw5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy7p4&playnext_from=TL&videos=Xm1hKd3DMLk[/youtube:3ct8zsw5]



LoL...

I am very happy to see this.
I have been waiting to see if my "Vision" would materialize.

Ta da!

Back when I was helping Dmovie27 with his "micheal project" vids
and the user LastSevenWords posted the vid "Not enoughTime"
There is a quick flash on the screen of Roman Numerals VII

Subliminal messages trigger "Visions" for me.
I went to sleep that night and had a vision of seeing a message just like V did in the movie. No specific message just the scene.
I told This to Dmovie27
This is awesome confirmation for me..

I am NOT crazy after all..LOL

Peace

I would like to add that The sun God Ra is mentioned in This message. ;) Egypt :mrgreen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_(spirituality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_(spirituality))


Is it this video were talking about?
Because the one posted on top here,the link does not work for me!
Thanks Mattie
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: dejavu on July 14, 2010, 04:37:25 AM
http://www.whois.net/whois/vforvanquish.com
^ The site was created 6 days ago  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MashMike on July 14, 2010, 06:35:24 AM
a very strong speech, everything he said is so true but honestly i don't think it's MJ,not at all.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: awesome1 on July 14, 2010, 07:19:07 AM
Now i dont know who or what that is.... but damn it was creepy and Bizzare.  Dont think it could be MJ, but i wonder if its a disguised voice of this persons natural voice.

But i wonder of we hear anything else from this Guy before the 13th July 2011.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 14, 2010, 10:00:12 AM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  what was that?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

The guy said he is born July 13th  :lol: *running to saint googl to find celebs born July 13th*
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: paula-c on July 14, 2010, 10:04:30 AM
The Renaissance... or the birth of a new man :lol:  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 14, 2010, 10:11:29 AM
Whatever  :lol:  :lol:  I am still laughing  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Sarahli on July 14, 2010, 10:45:04 AM
Intriguing...make history and create a big event on 13th of July 2011 ?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: loveratheart4mj on July 14, 2010, 10:56:32 AM
Another.....whole.......year...... :(  :(  :(  :(  stop this rollercoaster. I want off please.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 14, 2010, 11:06:21 AM
Hmmmmm...  :?

Here are my thoughts:

In front of the Hollywood sign? Looks a bit dangerous to me:

(http://redriverautographs.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/hollywood-sign-address.jpg)
 
Hollywood = fake. If he had such an important message, why not choose an important place? Washington, grassy knoll in Dallas, blocking the tunnel where Princess Di was killed, you name it. Or why not different places all over the world? This is not only a problem in America.

It's a very poor green screen, my brother is an amateur director and I am sure he would have done a better job. Compare the special effects in Moonwalker, which was released 22 years ago!! Mike is a perfectionist, this is not perfect at all.
 
Mike is not a copycat. As he said himself: I’m a pioneer, an innovator. I can't imagine he would copy V. Besides that, I think many people will see this as a joke, he could accomplish much more as himself and mobilize half if not the whole world.

Why is this only posted on Hollywood TV's YouTube channel? Views: 303. I think that if you want the world to see your important message, you should air it worldwide on TV at primetime, or at least on TMZ, CNN or other big media.

It was uploaded at Hollywood Tv's FTP server? First of all how did they notice it so quickly? If Mo throws something on our FTP and doesn't tell me, big chance I will never notice it's there, because we have LOTS of files on there. Hollywood TV certainly has even more. Secondly it would mean that this guy hacked their FTP, but Hollywood TV doesn't mention that. So this guy must have had their password for the FTP.

Sorry, but this all doesn't really make sense to me. Many people are reading the hoax forums, they know how to play with hoaxers. I seriously think this is one big joke.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: awesome1 on July 14, 2010, 11:09:19 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^

People in the UK use the words Bloody and Bloke quite often too, but he doesnt sound australian
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 14, 2010, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: "awesome1"
^^^^^^^^^^^^

People in the UK use the words Bloody and Bloke quite often too, but he doesnt sound australian

He doesn't sound very English either, but Americans don't use those words. The voice is clearly scrambled.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: glovelove on July 14, 2010, 11:19:18 AM
Quote from: "loma"
Quote from: "nefari"
Forgive my being goofy but this is sort of like either painful torture or someone making mad passionate love and holding a partner on the brink of .....well....you know for like EVER lol!!!!! LIMBO!!!
Same thing. :lol:
Nice imagination you got there..


nefari u crease me up hahahha...Holy macaroni this is creepy but so michael its fantastic and this is definately a message from the king :D
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Solid121 on July 14, 2010, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "awesome1"
^^^^^^^^^^^^

People in the UK use the words Bloody and Bloke quite often too, but he doesnt sound australian

He doesn't sound very English either, but Americans don't use those words. The voice is clearly scrambled.


 :roll:  Don't mean to be rude, but It's called 'Acting'. When someone reads from a script, they say the words they have infront of them and can put on an accent to suit the character. Hugo Weaving is not English, but he when he played V he said the word 'bloody' and in an English accent, because he was playing an Englishman in the film. He even managed to pull off quite a convincing english regional dialect in one place.

This is all one big act and it's not natural. The main thing in the video that gives it away... Notice at the start of the video there is a Pencil AND an Eraser on the table. At 0.41 the Eraser Disappears! This shows the video is edited together.
The voice over was recorded separtely, and has also been edited and changed. Also the audio level throughout is too high, the voice sounds distorted at some points.

I don't think this person is English. If anything I think he is American putting on an English accent to disguise his natural speaking voice, but also to replicate the character of V. Also it's about America.

When you listen to this person speak, he also struggles to say the words "Bloke" and "Bloody" (even though bloody is being used to describe the battle and not as a swear word) with a natural flow, which would suggest that these are not part of his natural 'everyday' vocabulary. Other words the person says also point toward this person "putting on" the voice of the English character... "mirror".. but the one that gives it away is the pronunciation of the name "ADOLF HITLER". In America it's widely pronounced A' Dolf, where in Enlgand Ad' Olf. This person pronounces it the American way.

There are lots of speech things this person does that show that this person is not English. It also sounds on many words as if the speech is slurred and the breathing is too heavy an not natural. Also the pronunciation is not natural, many of the words have either too short, or elongated endings, dragging out the sylibic sounds, especially 'T' 'K' and 'S' sounds. This person's main speach impediment however, is that they cannot pronounce their 'R' sounds properly.

In my opinion this is not a natural actor doing this. The body movement seems to be awkward and not natural and the clip itself has several clear edits. It would appear that the person is also wearing glasses of some description as there is a clear reflection in the eyes whenever the person moves their head.

It's different to the film however in so much that V got people to gather to replicate an event that had already taken place and was playing the part of a person in history. This person wants to create an event, but has taken a new role, a new person, not someone who already exists in so much that they were previously famous for attempting something. Also he said he was born on July 13th. This does not necissarily mean 'born' in the literal sense. *SPOILER* In terms of the Film, the character of V was born when he was injured in the fire, before that he was someone else.

The speech in this new video, is in large, the main one from the film, but obviously edited to suit this person and whatever it is they are talking about. This is not something the person has written themselves, nor is it personal.

In My Opinion, this is not Michael Jackson, nor does it have anything to do with him.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 14, 2010, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: "Solid121"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "awesome1"
^^^^^^^^^^^^

People in the UK use the words Bloody and Bloke quite often too, but he doesnt sound australian

He doesn't sound very English either, but Americans don't use those words. The voice is clearly scrambled.


 :roll:  Don't mean to be rude, but It's called 'Acting'. When someone reads from a script, they say the words they have infront of them and can put on an accent to suit the character. Hugo Weaving is not English, but he when he played V he said the word 'bloody' and in an English accent, because he was playing an Englishman in the film.


Yes, but the whole acting part gives me the shivers. If the message comes from your heart, you don't need to act.

He says he was born on the same day as Ceasar and Ra (Horus). Ceasar was a dictator and was said to be in the army that crushed Spartacus' slave rebellion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus'). It is also said that Ceasar went to war for money, because he was in dept. Ra, or Horus, was the God of war and it´s believed the Illuminati eye represents the eye of horus.

Not really a nice list to put yourself into IMO.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 14, 2010, 12:35:14 PM
That dude was Daev Daev  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 14, 2010, 01:17:06 PM
:o  :shock:  :o  :shock:  :o  :shock:  :o  :shock:

OMG. i think this is BIG.

It really gave me the chills, to be completely honest!

Vanquish means to defeat, or to overcome. Like to come out better in a conflict or a race or something.  :shock:  :shock:  

one thing that confused me though, Michael was born on August 29, not July 13? :?  :?

Another thing to mention,
He says "Meet me under the Hollywood sign on July 13, 2011 , etc. etc."

(oh, how i wish i could be there, with some strong men of course, just in case :lol: )

"July 13, 1923 - The Hollywood Sign is officially dedicated in the hills above Hollywood, Los Angeles. It originally reads "Hollywoodland " but the four last letters are dropped after renovation in 1949."

Hollywoodland, Graceland, NEVERLAND....

Here's a list of July 13 birthdays, btw:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_13#Births (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_13#Births)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Truth_or_Dare on July 14, 2010, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: "MashMike"
a very strong speech, everything he said is so true but honestly i don't think it's MJ,not at all.

Most of the speech is the one in the original movie.
[youtube:1y9jbwty]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY[/youtube:1y9jbwty]
Maybe this guy is just someone with a personal vendetta against Hollywood TV. And he hacked into their account and put this video in. It's quite a coincidence that he said to meet in front of the Hollywood sign.
Or maybe just a practical joke from Hollywood TV.  :roll:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Galina on July 14, 2010, 01:36:48 PM
I read in other hoax forum, where fans also discuss this topic, that his site http://vforvanquish.com (http://vforvanquish.com) was registered on 8 july 2010. If it's really so I think it's fake.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 14, 2010, 02:02:43 PM
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I Shall Return Within Two Years
Thursday, July 17, 2008 at 04:37PM
I must disappear for an extended spell, but vouchsafe that I shall return before the important date of July 13, 2010.

Trust.


Uhu....

So the site was registered on July 8, 2010 but he already posted a blog on it on July 17, 2008? Hmmmmm. Funny also how there is no comment to be found from before July 8, 2010.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: jacilovesmichael on July 14, 2010, 02:05:58 PM
Don't know what to think. I can see everyone's point of view. A couple things I will mention- I disagree with Hollywood not being a good choice. I think it would be a good choice for something like this to reveal what Hollywood really is - a bunch of lies. I do agree with Souza though that it looks pretty dangerous. Another thing is the numerology within the date. One thing I keep in mind is that both MJ's birth date and 'death' date reduce to the number 6:
Birth - August 29, 1958 - 8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42  and 4+2 = 6
'Death' - June 25, 2009 - 6+2+5+2+9= 24 and 2+4 = 6

Coincidence? Perhaps. But I have kept this in the back of my mind when dates come up. I don't think it's necessary to focus too much on the "when", as I've said before, because the reasons for the hoax are much more important. However, I think it's reasonable to guess that the "BAM" date could be a date that also reduces to a 6 because that would give us the number 666, which represents the things this hoax is meant to expose.

July 13, 2011 - 7+1+3+2+1+1=15 and 1+5= 6

Of course, this numerology is no secret and is available to anyone, so whoever made this video could have made it with that in mind and chosen the date accordingly as to trick the "hoaxers". Unfortunately I feel that may be likely. The date could also be a mere coincidence.

I agree with Souza, MJ doesn't need to copy someone. Of course he was inspired by many people, events, movies, and literature. But whatever he does is going to be unlike anything that has ever been done before. You can count on that.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: rowdyangel on July 14, 2010, 02:06:10 PM
It looks like some sort of promo for a weird video game. I don't think this has anything to do with Michael.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: DancingTheDream on July 14, 2010, 02:16:39 PM
Quote from: "rowdyangel"
It looks like some sort of promo for a weird video game. I don't think this has anything to do with Michael.

Ive just heard its a promo for a computer game too...
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Loveneverfeltsogood on July 14, 2010, 02:18:37 PM
Quote from: "rowdyangel"
It looks like some sort of promo for a weird video game. I don't think this has anything to do with Michael.

Thank goodness!! I thought i was the only one.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: rowdyangel on July 14, 2010, 02:22:03 PM
Besides, if Michael was doing something like this, he would do a much better job.  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Cameron on July 14, 2010, 02:22:40 PM
I don't think this guy has anything to do with Michael. I hope because July, 13th of 2011 I can't wait one more year !
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 14, 2010, 02:23:13 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Don't know what to think. I can see everyone's point of view. A couple things I will mention- I disagree with Hollywood not being a good choice. I think it would be a good choice for something like this to reveal what Hollywood really is - a bunch of lies. I do agree with Souza though that it looks pretty dangerous. Another thing is the numerology within the date. One thing I keep in mind is that both MJ's birth date and 'death' date reduce to the number 6:
Birth - August 29, 1958 - 8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42  and 4+2 = 6
'Death' - June 25, 2009 - 6+2+5+2+9= 24 and 2+4 = 6

Coincidence? Perhaps. But I have kept this in the back of my mind when dates come up. I don't think it's necessary to focus too much on the "when", as I've said before, because the reasons for the hoax are much more important. However, I think it's reasonable to guess that the "BAM" date could be a date that also reduces to a 6 because that would give us the number 666, which represents the things this hoax is meant to expose.

July 13, 2011 - 7+1+3+2+1+1=15 and 1+5= 6

Of course, this numerology is no secret and is available to anyone, so whoever made this video could have made it with that in mind and chosen the date accordingly as to trick the "hoaxers". Unfortunately I feel that may be likely. The date could also be a mere coincidence.

I agree with Souza, MJ doesn't need to copy someone. Of course he was inspired by many people, events, movies, and literature. But whatever he does is going to be unlike anything that has ever been done before. You can count on that.

I disagree with you on both the birth date and the death date. The death date for obvious reasons, and IMO his birth date makes 999:

Quote from: "~Souza~"
Ok, I'm gonna throw this out again:

I don't have access to the report now, but I'll try to recall what I know and check later on but I think this is pretty much what the report said:

Intelius shows us:

Michael J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
Mike J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives

There is more than one DOB listed, because there are more people with those names. There is only one DOB they both have in common: January 28, 1960. Now let's list some things:

In 1969 when Mike was supposed to be 11, he had to tell people he was 9, for PR reasons (I guess you are way cuter at 9, because you are darn old at 11.. :S )... Look at the video below, it's from 1968. Is he 10 or 8 there? IMO maybe 10, more likely 8, going on 9.

[youtube:2xp8mq4m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux3joe0GdTA[/youtube:2xp8mq4m]

When you pay close attention while watching The Jacksons - An American Dream (produced by Jermaine!!) you will notice that Katherine gets pregnant with Mike in 1959. Well you can try but it's impossible in that case to give birth in 1958. (btw: at birth she names him Michael Joe, not Joseph).

Then we had this:
Quote
01/28/2010 at 08:30 am in department 5
at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Revocation of Will
Hmmmm, turning 50 would be a good time to have your will revoked, don't you think?

It's not like there is a sibling 'in the way'. Marlon David Jackson (born March 12, 1957), Steven Randall "Randy" Jackson (born October 29, 1961). So both dates are possible, there is quite a gap between Marlon and Randy, considering the fact that the older siblings had way less time in between.

The indictment of 2003. Although the whole world knows his DOB, it's blocked out:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/24_indictment.jpg)

Make up your own mind about it, but my bet is that the moment the world learned his name was Michael Joseph Jackson, born August 29, 1958, a hoax was already in the planning.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011)
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Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: *Mo* on July 14, 2010, 02:25:37 PM
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/vanquish.jpg)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: rowdyangel on July 14, 2010, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/vanquish.jpg)

Lol I was just going to post that pic myself after I did some rooting around on the internet, but you beat me to it.  ;)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: jacilovesmichael on July 14, 2010, 02:34:15 PM
Thanks Souza, always keeping me on my toes!  :) A few details from that movie are coming back to me. And I didn't know it was produced by Jermaine! Always learning something new.

So his "real" birthday makes a 9. I get what you're saying. So it's not just his death date that is fake (since he didn't die). No wonder they didn't celebrate birthdays!  :lol:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MJalive999 on July 14, 2010, 02:42:49 PM
wake up guys!
doenst matter who is behind the mask!
he is NOTlying, pay attention to his words!
why hollywood TV??... it has a purpose, do not ignore it.

i am not saying it has something to do with MJ (i dont believe lol), but do not ignore his message.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: jacilovesmichael on July 14, 2010, 02:48:25 PM
Quote from: "MJalive999"
wake up guys!
doenst matter who is behind the mask!
he is NOTlying, pay attention to his words!
why hollywood TV??... it has a purpose, do not ignore it.

i am not saying it has something to do with MJ, but do not ignore his message.

In defense of myself and many others, I can say that I already understand the message, which is why I took the time to look into this video further. However, I don't think it's completely logical to say that it doesn't matter who is behind that mask, because we've had so many fakes just looking for attention. Not to mention most the script was taken from the movie, so it could be anyone. I agree with you that the message is important. Hollywood is full of deceit, as is the government. But we can't blindly follow things like this without doing our homework.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MJalive999 on July 14, 2010, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "MJalive999"
wake up guys!
doenst matter who is behind the mask!
he is NOTlying, pay attention to his words!
why hollywood TV??... it has a purpose, do not ignore it.

i am not saying it has something to do with MJ, but do not ignore his message.

In defense of myself and many others, I can say that I already understand the message, which is why I took the time to look into this video further. However, I don't think it's completely logical to say that it doesn't matter who is behind that mask, because we've had so many fakes just looking for attention. Not to mention most the script was taken from the movie, so it could be anyone. I agree with you that the message is important. Hollywood is full of deceit, as is the government. But we can't blindly follow things like this without doing our homework.

he is not saying '' i am MJ''... People believe what they want to believe :)
and i know about hollywood and all that blabla, no worries  ;)
btw, wth hollywood TV doing there http://tinylink.in/4NE (http://tinylink.in/4NE)
they also did many videos of mj before his 'death'. (once again, i m not saying it's mj)

and btw, all the hollywood megastars support OBAMA, tell me why hollywood TV would do this kind of video??

hollywood tv is NOT hollywood. just saying...
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Grace on July 14, 2010, 03:05:10 PM
Quote from: "cin_pyt"
I say examine da hands are they Mike's lol! Here we go stills from O2 conference once more examined lol

These are not Michael's hands. Michael's hands show finger 3 and 4 narrowing each other, not stilted as the person in the "anonymous" vid.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 14, 2010, 04:40:41 PM
His voice reminds me of Stewie Griffin
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: traceys_home on July 14, 2010, 05:22:00 PM
Hey guys I got this tweet from Mico Brando yesterday which was the 13th of July:

MikoBrando
 
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
2:41 PM Jul 13th via web
Retweeted by you and 54 others

He had not tweeted since June 29th. I think it is a huge coincidence that he tweeted his message the same day this video was released.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MJalive999 on July 14, 2010, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Hey guys I got this tweet from Mico Brando yesterday which was the 13th of July:

MikoBrando
 
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
2:41 PM Jul 13th via web
Retweeted by you and 54 others

He had not tweeted since June 29th. I think it is a huge coincidence that he tweeted his message the same day this video was released.


miko? how do you know?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: traceys_home on July 14, 2010, 06:17:41 PM
Quote from: "MJalive999"
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Hey guys I got this tweet from Mico Brando yesterday which was the 13th of July:

MikoBrando
 
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
2:41 PM Jul 13th via web
Retweeted by you and 54 others

He had not tweeted since June 29th. I think it is a huge coincidence that he tweeted his message the same day this video was released.


miko? how do you know?

Did you even read what I said? I said I received a tweet from M. Brando yesterday. Follow my twitter @ally1211 and you can see his tweet from yesterday.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: traceys_home on July 14, 2010, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/vanquish.jpg)

Hey Mo,

Where did u get this screenshot? My son who's 11 just told me that is a screenshot of "World of Warcraft" an online game! To be precise he said that is an expansion pack called "Wrath of the Litch King" used with the World of War Craft game.

 I'm confused now  :geek:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: jacilovesmichael on July 14, 2010, 06:29:35 PM
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Quote from: "MJalive999"
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Hey guys I got this tweet from Mico Brando yesterday which was the 13th of July:

MikoBrando
 
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
2:41 PM Jul 13th via web
Retweeted by you and 54 others

He had not tweeted since June 29th. I think it is a huge coincidence that he tweeted his message the same day this video was released.


miko? how do you know?

Did you even read what I said? I said I received a tweet from M. Brando yesterday. Follow my twitter @ally1211 and you can see his tweet from yesterday.


I saw that tweet too. In fact I think I retweeted it because I liked it :)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: paula-c on July 14, 2010, 06:50:27 PM
Well, I an American does not differentiate the Australian asento to that of, for my they sound equally.. speaking seriously it is necessary to have care, Spencer's explanation seems to me to be very logical
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 14, 2010, 07:24:23 PM
Another weird thing...

the first tour date for This Is It was July 13, 2009.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MJalive999 on July 14, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Quote from: "MJalive999"
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Hey guys I got this tweet from Mico Brando yesterday which was the 13th of July:

MikoBrando
 
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
2:41 PM Jul 13th via web
Retweeted by you and 54 others

He had not tweeted since June 29th. I think it is a huge coincidence that he tweeted his message the same day this video was released.


miko? how do you know?

Did you even read what I said? I said I received a tweet from M. Brando yesterday. Follow my twitter @ally1211 and you can see his tweet from yesterday.

er.. i read, I am not retarded i am asking you how do you know he is NOT fake!
btw, if you DO NOT know... he was following someone related to the hoax ...
and oooh he follows  a fake-prince dude. we know that mj kids don't have twitter! then... draw your own conclusions!  8-)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Infinitylady on July 14, 2010, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: "jenwren20"
um, ok......

This is getting scary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy ... m1hKd3DMLk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHCgi7Xy7p4&playnext_from=TL&videos=Xm1hKd3DMLk)

This video was just posted on You Tube by Hollywood.tv

( Thanks to seeingclues for posting on twitter)

Brings a whole new meaning to, see you in July.


I am going to have to watch this video at a later time.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: traceys_home on July 14, 2010, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: "MJalive999"
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Quote from: "MJalive999"
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Hey guys I got this tweet from Mico Brando yesterday which was the 13th of July:

MikoBrando
 
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
2:41 PM Jul 13th via web
Retweeted by you and 54 others

He had not tweeted since June 29th. I think it is a huge coincidence that he tweeted his message the same day this video was released.


miko? how do you know?

Did you even read what I said? I said I received a tweet from M. Brando yesterday. Follow my twitter @ally1211 and you can see his tweet from yesterday.

er.. i read, I am not retarded i am asking you how do you know he is NOT fake!
btw, if you DO NOT know... he was following someone related to the hoax ...
and oooh he follows  a fake-prince dude. we know that mj kids don't have twitter! then... draw your own conclusions!  8-)

I did not mean to offend you. I do not know if he's fake and yes I saw who he's following, but it was still coincidental that he tweeted that message the same day this video was released was my point.

Like we have all said, nothing is what it seems unless you're lOOking, so whether or not that is MB's twitter account or not is not the point. The point is the timeframe of his tweet inregards to the release of this video. Or it could simply be coincidental. The latter, I doubt.
 :geek:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: traceys_home on July 14, 2010, 07:54:51 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Quote from: "MJalive999"
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Hey guys I got this tweet from Mico Brando yesterday which was the 13th of July:

MikoBrando
 
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
2:41 PM Jul 13th via web
Retweeted by you and 54 others

He had not tweeted since June 29th. I think it is a huge coincidence that he tweeted his message the same day this video was released.


miko? how do you know?



Did you even read what I said? I said I received a tweet from M. Brando yesterday. Follow my twitter @ally1211 and you can see his tweet from yesterday.


I saw that tweet too. In fact I think I retweeted it because I liked it :)

Interesting isn't it..... :idea:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: loma on July 14, 2010, 08:22:33 PM
I know. O.o
I was wondering.. what's with the WoW screenshot?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MJalive999 on July 14, 2010, 08:34:19 PM
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Quote from: "MJalive999"
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Quote from: "MJalive999"
Quote from: "traceys_home"
Hey guys I got this tweet from Mico Brando yesterday which was the 13th of July:

MikoBrando
 
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
2:41 PM Jul 13th via web
Retweeted by you and 54 others

He had not tweeted since June 29th. I think it is a huge coincidence that he tweeted his message the same day this video was released.


miko? how do you know?

Did you even read what I said? I said I received a tweet from M. Brando yesterday. Follow my twitter @ally1211 and you can see his tweet from yesterday.

er.. i read, I am not retarded i am asking you how do you know he is NOT fake!
btw, if you DO NOT know... he was following someone related to the hoax ...
and oooh he follows  a fake-prince dude. we know that mj kids don't have twitter! then... draw your own conclusions!  8-)

I did not mean to offend you. I do not know if he's fake and yes I saw who he's following, but it was still coincidental that he tweeted that message the same day this video was released was my point.

Like we have all said, nothing is what it seems unless you're lOOking, so whether or not that is MB's twitter account or not is not the point. The point is the timeframe of his tweet inregards to the release of this video. Or it could simply be coincidental. The latter, I doubt.
 :geek:

ok..but i believe this is just coincidence ...
fakes often send quotes or obvius messages.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: PureLove on July 14, 2010, 09:49:39 PM
Ok so we know the concerts were going to begin on the 13th of July. Do you guys remember this picture which was posted by Criss Angel? There's 13 hours in that clock.

(http://i31.tinypic.com/fpbfaq.jpg)

Neverland's clock looks like 13 now.

(http://i31.tinypic.com/fwopao.jpg)

And this's one of the paintings de la Nuez made. Look at the number on the door! 1307 13/07 ;) I think you all saw the drink commercial with the Dodo bird. Alive 5 :D

(http://i27.tinypic.com/30sgh8g.jpg)

So 13/07 has a lot to do with this hoax and I do believe this V video has something to do with Michael or his message at least.
:)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: rabbit on July 14, 2010, 09:53:27 PM
ok? so we get the message what's nect now?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: suspicious mind on July 14, 2010, 10:12:25 PM
this is gonna sound really stupid but i'm gonna ask anyway. do you think an actor could be hired anonamously to play a part (such as in the video ) and have a certain part of it pertain to them that would lead somewhere else? for example the part about the birth date .here is why i ask. i checked july 13 birthdates. because of the voice i sort of focused on patrick stewart. one of his performances is pharoh in the animated prince of egypt.  probably just crazy huh :oops:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MJalive999 on July 14, 2010, 10:29:45 PM
thanks  @PureLove! ;)

i have something to add

The circus comes back to town

(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site200/2010/0713/20100713__ElephantWalk2.jpg)
Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey circus elephants walk in the early morning hours to Staples Center on Tuesday, July 13, 2010, in Los Angeles. Barnum's FUNundrum! will be performing at Staples Center July 14-18, 2010.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ER911 on July 15, 2010, 12:10:11 AM
I'll give the vid creator an "A" for an interesting vid:) Other than that I'm not putting much thought into July of next year.

I'm not as familiar as many of you are with vid games & such, nor the "face" of the person in the "V" video. I am sure many of you have seen pictures of Prince with the same mask,..yes?  That is the only relevance that I have seen on the net.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MJalive999 on July 15, 2010, 01:46:43 AM
Quote from: "ER911"
I'll give the vid creator an "A" for an interesting vid:) Other than that I'm not putting much thought into July of next year.

I'm not as familiar as many of you are with vid games & such, nor the "face" of the person in the "V" video. I am sure many of you have seen pictures of Prince with the same mask,..yes?  That is the only relevance that I have seen on the net.

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4345/vendettaz.jpg)
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1969/vend2.jpg)
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7736/vend3l.jpg)
(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/153/vend4.jpg)

quotes
Artists use lies to tell the truth, while politicians use it to hide the truth.

People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.

the speech

Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot.


please watch the movie or just read the wikipedia article, i am sure you will find many similarities!
> comics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta)
> movie  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film))

The film is also explicit in portraying V as the embodiment of an idea rather than an individual through V's dialogue and by depicting him without a past, identity or face. According to the Official Website, "V’s use of the Guy Fawkes mask and persona functions as both practical and symbolic elements of the story. He wears the mask to hide his physical scars, and in obscuring his identity. - he becomes the idea itself"

the film follows the mysterious V, a freedom fighter seeking to effect sociopolitical change while simultaneously pursuing his own violent personal vendetta
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: reading_on on July 15, 2010, 07:29:04 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Don't know what to think. I can see everyone's point of view. A couple things I will mention- I disagree with Hollywood not being a good choice. I think it would be a good choice for something like this to reveal what Hollywood really is - a bunch of lies. I do agree with Souza though that it looks pretty dangerous. Another thing is the numerology within the date. One thing I keep in mind is that both MJ's birth date and 'death' date reduce to the number 6:
Birth - August 29, 1958 - 8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42  and 4+2 = 6
'Death' - June 25, 2009 - 6+2+5+2+9= 24 and 2+4 = 6

Coincidence? Perhaps. But I have kept this in the back of my mind when dates come up. I don't think it's necessary to focus too much on the "when", as I've said before, because the reasons for the hoax are much more important. However, I think it's reasonable to guess that the "BAM" date could be a date that also reduces to a 6 because that would give us the number 666, which represents the things this hoax is meant to expose.

July 13, 2011 - 7+1+3+2+1+1=15 and 1+5= 6

Of course, this numerology is no secret and is available to anyone, so whoever made this video could have made it with that in mind and chosen the date accordingly as to trick the "hoaxers". Unfortunately I feel that may be likely. The date could also be a mere coincidence.

I agree with Souza, MJ doesn't need to copy someone. Of course he was inspired by many people, events, movies, and literature. But whatever he does is going to be unlike anything that has ever been done before. You can count on that.

I disagree with you on both the birth date and the death date. The death date for obvious reasons, and IMO his birth date makes 999:

Quote from: "~Souza~"
Ok, I'm gonna throw this out again:

I don't have access to the report now, but I'll try to recall what I know and check later on but I think this is pretty much what the report said:

Intelius shows us:

Michael J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
Mike J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives

There is more than one DOB listed, because there are more people with those names. There is only one DOB they both have in common: January 28, 1960. Now let's list some things:

In 1969 when Mike was supposed to be 11, he had to tell people he was 9, for PR reasons (I guess you are way cuter at 9, because you are darn old at 11.. :S )... Look at the video below, it's from 1968. Is he 10 or 8 there? IMO maybe 10, more likely 8, going on 9.

[youtube:39nrt1dy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux3joe0GdTA[/youtube:39nrt1dy]

When you pay close attention while watching The Jacksons - An American Dream (produced by Jermaine!!) you will notice that Katherine gets pregnant with Mike in 1959. Well you can try but it's impossible in that case to give birth in 1958. (btw: at birth she names him Michael Joe, not Joseph).

Then we had this:
Quote
01/28/2010 at 08:30 am in department 5
at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Revocation of Will
Hmmmm, turning 50 would be a good time to have your will revoked, don't you think?

It's not like there is a sibling 'in the way'. Marlon David Jackson (born March 12, 1957), Steven Randall "Randy" Jackson (born October 29, 1961). So both dates are possible, there is quite a gap between Marlon and Randy, considering the fact that the older siblings had way less time in between.

The indictment of 2003. Although the whole world knows his DOB, it's blocked out:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/24_indictment.jpg)

Make up your own mind about it, but my bet is that the moment the world learned his name was Michael Joseph Jackson, born August 29, 1958, a hoax was already in the planning.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011)
[/color]


Wow that is a long quoted reply here. Do you think the reason that Jermaine portrayed Katherine pregnant in 1959 was because they had told the world Michael was younger than he actually was or do you have some other stuff to go along with that?.  Do have a thread somewhere discussing this? I don't want to derail this thread. I think it is VERY interesting that the date on the court docs is blacked out. Makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: rag doll on July 15, 2010, 07:39:14 AM
:o  :shock:  :?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: rabbit on July 15, 2010, 07:58:13 AM
Quote from: "MJalive999"
Quote from: "ER911"
I'll give the vid creator an "A" for an interesting vid:) Other than that I'm not putting much thought into July of next year.

I'm not as familiar as many of you are with vid games & such, nor the "face" of the person in the "V" video. I am sure many of you have seen pictures of Prince with the same mask,..yes?  That is the only relevance that I have seen on the net.

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4345/vendettaz.jpg)
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1969/vend2.jpg)
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7736/vend3l.jpg)
(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/153/vend4.jpg)

November that shall never, ever be forgot. [/i]


please watch the movie or just read the wikipedia article, i am sure you will find many similarities!
> comics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta)
> movie  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film))

:shock: good observation :o
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 15, 2010, 09:54:53 AM
I watched the video again  :lol:  :lol:

I think the guy has a point but it´s hilarious the way he talks  :lol:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 15, 2010, 10:54:09 AM
Quote from: "reading_on"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Don't know what to think. I can see everyone's point of view. A couple things I will mention- I disagree with Hollywood not being a good choice. I think it would be a good choice for something like this to reveal what Hollywood really is - a bunch of lies. I do agree with Souza though that it looks pretty dangerous. Another thing is the numerology within the date. One thing I keep in mind is that both MJ's birth date and 'death' date reduce to the number 6:
Birth - August 29, 1958 - 8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42  and 4+2 = 6
'Death' - June 25, 2009 - 6+2+5+2+9= 24 and 2+4 = 6

Coincidence? Perhaps. But I have kept this in the back of my mind when dates come up. I don't think it's necessary to focus too much on the "when", as I've said before, because the reasons for the hoax are much more important. However, I think it's reasonable to guess that the "BAM" date could be a date that also reduces to a 6 because that would give us the number 666, which represents the things this hoax is meant to expose.

July 13, 2011 - 7+1+3+2+1+1=15 and 1+5= 6

Of course, this numerology is no secret and is available to anyone, so whoever made this video could have made it with that in mind and chosen the date accordingly as to trick the "hoaxers". Unfortunately I feel that may be likely. The date could also be a mere coincidence.

I agree with Souza, MJ doesn't need to copy someone. Of course he was inspired by many people, events, movies, and literature. But whatever he does is going to be unlike anything that has ever been done before. You can count on that.

I disagree with you on both the birth date and the death date. The death date for obvious reasons, and IMO his birth date makes 999:

Quote from: "~Souza~"
Ok, I'm gonna throw this out again:

I don't have access to the report now, but I'll try to recall what I know and check later on but I think this is pretty much what the report said:

Intelius shows us:

Michael J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
Mike J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives

There is more than one DOB listed, because there are more people with those names. There is only one DOB they both have in common: January 28, 1960. Now let's list some things:

In 1969 when Mike was supposed to be 11, he had to tell people he was 9, for PR reasons (I guess you are way cuter at 9, because you are darn old at 11.. :S )... Look at the video below, it's from 1968. Is he 10 or 8 there? IMO maybe 10, more likely 8, going on 9.

[youtube:hvo532e7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux3joe0GdTA[/youtube:hvo532e7]

When you pay close attention while watching The Jacksons - An American Dream (produced by Jermaine!!) you will notice that Katherine gets pregnant with Mike in 1959. Well you can try but it's impossible in that case to give birth in 1958. (btw: at birth she names him Michael Joe, not Joseph).

Then we had this:
Quote
01/28/2010 at 08:30 am in department 5
at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Revocation of Will
Hmmmm, turning 50 would be a good time to have your will revoked, don't you think?

It's not like there is a sibling 'in the way'. Marlon David Jackson (born March 12, 1957), Steven Randall "Randy" Jackson (born October 29, 1961). So both dates are possible, there is quite a gap between Marlon and Randy, considering the fact that the older siblings had way less time in between.

The indictment of 2003. Although the whole world knows his DOB, it's blocked out:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/24_indictment.jpg)

Make up your own mind about it, but my bet is that the moment the world learned his name was Michael Joseph Jackson, born August 29, 1958, a hoax was already in the planning.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011)
[/color]


Wow that is a long quoted reply here. Do you think the reason that Jermaine portrayed Katherine pregnant in 1959 was because they had told the world Michael was younger than he actually was or do you have some other stuff to go along with that?.  Do have a thread somewhere discussing this? I don't want to derail this thread. I think it is VERY interesting that the date on the court docs is blacked out. Makes no sense to me.

No, I think Mike wasn't born on August 29, 1958...
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: DirtyCama on July 15, 2010, 12:32:50 PM
look at this !

Quote
Domain Name: VFORVANQUISH.COM
      Created on: 08-Jul-10
      Expires on: 08-Jul-11
      Last Updated on: 08-Jul-10

   Administrative Contact:
      Private, Registration  
      Domains by Proxy, Inc.
      DomainsByProxy.com
      15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
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      United States
      (480) 624-2599      Fax -- (480) 624-2598
and this :
Quote
Domain Name: THISISALSOIT.COM
      Created on: 29-Oct-09
      Expires on: 29-Oct-10
      Last Updated on: 22-Dec-09

   Administrative Contact:
      Private, Registration  
      Domains by Proxy, Inc.
      DomainsByProxy.com
     15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
      Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
      United States
      (480) 624-2599      Fax -- (480) 624-2598

is the same person ? or i made a mistake ?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 15, 2010, 01:13:23 PM
It´s the online support number to all.
http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/Support.aspx?prog_id=
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: *Mo* on July 15, 2010, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: "DirtyCama"
look at this !

Quote
Domain Name: VFORVANQUISH.COM
      Created on: 08-Jul-10
      Expires on: 08-Jul-11
      Last Updated on: 08-Jul-10

   Administrative Contact:
      Private, Registration  
      Domains by Proxy, Inc.
      DomainsByProxy.com
      15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
      Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
      United States
      (480) 624-2599      Fax -- (480) 624-2598
and this :
Quote
Domain Name: THISISALSOIT.COM
      Created on: 29-Oct-09
      Expires on: 29-Oct-10
      Last Updated on: 22-Dec-09

   Administrative Contact:
      Private, Registration  
      Domains by Proxy, Inc.
      DomainsByProxy.com
     15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
      Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
      United States
      (480) 624-2599      Fax -- (480) 624-2598

is the same person ? or i made a mistake ?

Domains by Proxy is a service that shields off your personal information, that's all.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: emeraldcity on July 15, 2010, 10:00:02 PM
If, as is being suggested, Michael was born on 28th January, 1960, this would make him an Aquarian with the Moon also in Aquarius.  Here are the characteristics of such a combination...

"Aquarius/Aquarius:
 
The combination of your Sun sign and your Moon sign produces a nature that is strong--a little bit indefinite, but strong. This is a combination that is somewhat of another world - ethereal, philosophical, and extremely open-minded. Your individuality and personality is a blend of the Aquarius traits of refinement, intelligence, and a broadly humane nature. Refined and intelligent, this combination provides the possibility of high talent or a streak of genius to be constructively developed. Ideas are prolific, and likely range from the conventional to the eccentric and the unusual. This is a position that is hyperactive mentally, but perhaps a procrastinator. Mentally, you are a trail-blazer, but one who definitely has a very short attention span for you are apt to get yourself involved with a wide variety of subjects and avocations. Aquarius has very humanistic instincts, a natural friendliness, and a talent for understanding and reading character. It is easy for you to blend in with strangers, and dealings with people rarely cause you any problem. Just the same, you are independent or somewhat individualistic, and require considerable personal freedom of thought and action. You are apt to succeed rather easily in business because of a combination of traits you possess. You are people oriented and thus, able to understand the needs of the public. You are original and progressive in your thinking; new ideas and advanced techniques are your forte. Aquarius is a so called fixed sign, so there is a strong fixed element associated with your personality, a high degree of focus and determination in your nature, giving the tenacity to see any of the many tasks that you undertake, through to completion. Whether you are in business or scientific pursuits, you are motivated by very deep interest in doing something positive for world; for improving people's lives in some way. It's important that you stay busy with the expression of your ideas and talents. You are best when unsupervised and independent in your work; at your worst when required to perform any sort of routine or overly systematized task. You're a bit on the high-strung side, and need to be sure of getting adequate relaxation and outside activities that allows the release of tensions. With your ability for controlled rational thinking, clear perception, and humanitarian concern, you surely have a lot to offer the world at large."[/b]

Does this sound more like him do you think?  What Souza has brought up about Michael's age and d.o.b. being altered is certainly very interesting. I'm not totally convinced, but I'm open to the possibility.  Love to all x
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: emeraldcity on July 15, 2010, 10:48:36 PM
Just realised what I was about to say has already been mentioned on another thread.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 16, 2010, 01:53:58 AM
If this is true, my birthday is just 3 days before his, January 25th :D but i wasn't born in '60, ha.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: moonball29 on July 16, 2010, 03:11:19 AM
Quote from: "MJalive999"
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4345/vendettaz.jpg)
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1969/vend2.jpg)
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7736/vend3l.jpg)
(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/153/vend4.jpg)
I was hoping someone would post that. I just watched this movie yesterday and those similarities really jumped out at me. Hatman especially. Kinda spooked me a little.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 16, 2010, 04:32:33 AM
Quote from: "emeraldcity"
If, as is being suggested, Michael was born on 28th January, 1960, this would make him an Aquarian with the Moon also in Aquarius.  Here are the characteristics of such a combination...


Does this sound more like him do you think?  What Souza has brought up about Michael's age and d.o.b. being altered is certainly very interesting. I'm not totally convinced, but I'm open to the possibility.  Love to all x

Yeeees, Aquarian looks great to me!!

Too bad, I go terrible with male aquarians  :lol:  (i´m aquarian btw)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: traceys_home on July 16, 2010, 12:28:51 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "emeraldcity"
If, as is being suggested, Michael was born on 28th January, 1960, this would make him an Aquarian with the Moon also in Aquarius.  Here are the characteristics of such a combination...


Does this sound more like him do you think?  What Souza has brought up about Michael's age and d.o.b. being altered is certainly very interesting. I'm not totally convinced, but I'm open to the possibility.  Love to all x

Yeeees, Aquarian looks great to me!!

Too bad, I go terrible with male aquarians  :lol:  (i´m aquarian btw)

Too funny...every boyfriend I have ever had was an Aquarius even one born on the 28th of January. My husband is an Aquarius born on the 14th of February. Strange coincidence for me, guess I'm subconsciously attracted to Aquarius men...they're great! I'm a Sagittarius
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Lemonbread904 on July 16, 2010, 10:38:01 PM
Do you guys remember along time ago a person entered this forum by the name of JCC and a question was as about my Michael fake his death and then JCC stated that we are looking in the wrong directions and that we should be looking at why Michael was faking his life. When this came up about the birthdates, this brought that thought to mind. As I believe I have stated before that the place we are talking about is Hollywood and the media. Majority of the actors and actresses use stages name and possibly not the correct birth date. Some of the people in Hollywood is not showing their true self. They are portray an image to the public. It is all an illusion.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ForTheTruth on July 21, 2010, 03:21:27 PM
V updated his blog.

http://www.vforvanquish.com
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Hazzely on July 21, 2010, 03:34:18 PM
Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
V updated his blog.

http://www.vforvanquish.com

& he removed this  :?

(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7091/adafn.png) (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/adafn.png/)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ForTheTruth on July 21, 2010, 04:40:43 PM
Quote from: "Hazzely"
Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
V updated his blog.

http://www.vforvanquish.com

& he removed this  :?

(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7091/adafn.png) (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/adafn.png/)


Well that's strange lol... :?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 21, 2010, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
Quote from: "Hazzely"
Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
V updated his blog.

http://www.vforvanquish.com

& he removed this  :?

(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7091/adafn.png) (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/adafn.png/)


Well that's strange lol... :?


Not strange. He just realized that it's impossible to post something in 2008 while you created the website in 2010...
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: CantGetEnoughMJ on July 21, 2010, 05:34:50 PM
Souza wrote:

Not strange. He just realized that it's impossible to post something in 2008 while you created the website in 2010...[/quote]

So, it is possible to manipulate the date of a posting?  I always thought the posting date could not be changed.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on July 21, 2010, 05:44:31 PM
More and more mysterious :?  :roll:

Guess we had better keep a close eye on this as well :roll:

 :shock:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 21, 2010, 06:02:04 PM
Quote from: "CantGetEnoughMJ"
Souza wrote:

Not strange. He just realized that it's impossible to post something in 2008 while you created the website in 2010...

So, it is possible to manipulate the date of a posting?  I always thought the posting date could not be changed.[/quote]


Of course it can, it's his site. I can post a blog on this site that I allegedly wrote in 2002, no problem.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Cameron on July 21, 2010, 06:08:22 PM
You can do and show what you want if you own a website, so manipulate dates it's not difficult.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 21, 2010, 08:07:32 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
Quote from: "Hazzely"
Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
V updated his blog.

http://www.vforvanquish.com

& he removed this  :?

(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7091/adafn.png) (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/adafn.png/)


Well that's strange lol... :?


Not strange. He just realized that it's impossible to post something in 2008 while you created the website in 2010...

Exactly what I was thinking .
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 21, 2010, 08:14:43 PM
Quote from: "CantGetEnoughMJ"
Quote from: "Souza"

Not strange. He just realized that it's impossible to post something in 2008 while you created the website in 2010...

So, it is possible to manipulate the date of a posting?  I always thought the posting date could not be changed.

Yes, for example, look at Souza's avatar, below it, it says "Joined: Apr 24, 2008". But this website was made in August.  ;)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Loveneverfeltsogood on July 23, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
New Video:

[youtube:3luui5o2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGzQZ9i5xqI&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3luui5o2]
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Cameron on July 23, 2010, 05:32:30 PM
Great ! What a good message for awake people ! Like him  :)
Like him more if he's Michael  :lol:

Did you notice this ?  :arrow:  http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5601/vendettat.png (http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5601/vendettat.png)

Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 23, 2010, 05:55:37 PM
:lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ForTheTruth on July 23, 2010, 10:40:39 PM
The symbol on the table :| :!: .
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 23, 2010, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
The symbol on the table :| :!: .


Good eye! A downward-pointing pentagram   :|

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Pentagram4.svg/220px-Pentagram4.svg.png)

Quote
The downward-pointing pentagram is often used by Christians and neoPagans to represent Satanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism)

Quote
Pentagrams [...] has associations within Freemasonry.

Satanists use a pentagram with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle, with the head of a goat inside the pentagram. This is referred to as the Sigil of Baphomet. They use it much the same way as the Pythagoreans, as Tartaros literally translates from Greek as a "Pit" or "Void" in Christian terminology (the word is used as such in the Bible, referring to the place where the fallen angels are fettered). The Pythagorean Greek letters are most often replaced by the Hebrew letters [...] forming the name Leviathan. Less esoteric LaVeyan Satanists use it as a sign of rebellion or religious identification, the three downward points symbolising rejection of the holy Trinity and the horns pointing up in defiance of conventional religious (spiritual) dogma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: whisper on July 23, 2010, 11:19:40 PM
Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
The symbol on the table :| :!: .

I didn't see that :shock:

I watched the 1rst vid again and there's a symbol on the table too.. Can't recognize it ..
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 23, 2010, 11:34:29 PM
Quote from: "whisper"
Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
The symbol on the table :| :!: .

I didn't see that :shock:

I watched the 1rst vid again and there's a symbol on the table too.. Can't recognize it ..


Looks like a mirror (mirror-symbolism: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=illuminati+mirror+symbolism (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=illuminati+mirror+symbolism))
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: whisper on July 23, 2010, 11:43:19 PM
Don't you see a skull? I see something like cross bones.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on July 24, 2010, 12:04:43 AM
So what are the implications of these symbols in these videos?

is this V person really trying to inform and mobilize for a just cause or is this trying to scare us or get people to start rioting or something?

I am quite confused about this whole V thing now...
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Cameron on July 24, 2010, 06:10:02 AM
I don't think he wants riots, he just want to inform and awake people.

But he needs something bigger, because just a video on youtube it's not enough...
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: paula-c on July 24, 2010, 10:40:50 AM
the image is the date July 13, 2011? :?:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 24, 2010, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
So what are the implications of these symbols in these videos?

is this V person really trying to inform and mobilize for a just cause or is this trying to scare us or get people to start rioting or something?

I am quite confused about this whole V thing now...

There is a group of people in USA lead by "anonymous" who wears the V of Vendetta mask. They are against scientology.

I have no idea of who this person is or wants to accomplish  :?  but his speeches makes me laugh.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Sky on July 24, 2010, 12:56:07 PM
Okay this is what i get when i lighten his photo up
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/SKY3_2010/v.jpg)
I will catch some more screenshots here in a sec
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Sky on July 24, 2010, 01:29:48 PM
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/SKY3_2010/v2-1.jpg)
Is this a generated cartoon?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 24, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
Do you mean thatthe mask has been created on the image? that the guy is not wearing a mask?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Sky on July 24, 2010, 01:43:40 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Do you mean thatthe mask has been created on the image? that the guy is not wearing a mask?

Yes I think so.. depending on what type of software was used to edit it. Or it's an image that was animated?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 24, 2010, 01:46:40 PM
I have no idea.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Sky on July 24, 2010, 01:57:14 PM
This one is from the vid before
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/SKY3_2010/v3.jpg)

It is dif..cartooned.. either a cartoon image or he cartooned himself, either way it's someone once again getting their jolly's off and messing with fans heads.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Hazzely on July 24, 2010, 05:33:42 PM
I Am Not Michael Jackson
Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 03:24PM

It has come to my attention, rather urgently in fact, that there has been much speculation whether I am actually Michael Jackson.

I can most assuredly tell you: I am, indeed, NOT.

In fact, before I was forwarded all the recent correspondence from a bevy of his devoted fans, I was not even aware that there was a possibility that Michael might have faked his death. I was then shown footage of his appearance at London's 02 last year (a screen grab of which is displayed above), that the editor suggested was not Michael Jackson at all, but an imposter. Finally, I was shown certain scenes of his body bag being transferred by helicopter, and it is quite obvious that at one point the bag briefly gets up by itself.

I know you love Michael very deeply, and I know that you miss him. Yes, he may yet be alive in this plane. However, though I have had the pleasure and honor of personally meeting him, I am not he. Michael was quite aware of the rot in the corporate and political spheres, and though born into the music business, he eventually freed his body, mind and soul from it. Regardless if Michael is in a physical body or not, he is as eternal as we are and knows that we should be united in Self-Realization, with love and tolerance for each other and in harmony with Mother Nature, our earth. Unfortunately, not everyone on this planet is so enlightened, especially those possessing political, military and/or economic authority. In fact, if Michael did return to the spiritual world, certain evidence suggests that a group of people from this latter group of the unenlightened may have actually plotted and murdered him, for various motivations.

If these scoundrels did not get to Michael first, and he faked his death as so many others have done before, then I applaud him and wish him well. In fact, I would not put it past him and so I, too, would look for messages secretly left by him for those with eyes to see and with ears to listen. ;)

V
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: paula-c on July 24, 2010, 05:55:23 PM
It is also very interesting what this person says. :geek:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: liberiangirl96 on July 24, 2010, 06:04:41 PM
i am getting really scared ............this shit is errie :shock:  :shock:  :shock: ....... ;)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Cameron on July 24, 2010, 06:12:05 PM
This guy is great  :D
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on July 24, 2010, 06:46:13 PM
Quote from: "Hazzely"
I Am Not Michael Jackson
Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 03:24PM

It has come to my attention, rather urgently in fact, that there has been much speculation whether I am actually Michael Jackson.

I can most assuredly tell you: I am, indeed, NOT.

I am not, indeed.
I am indeed,  NOT.

I wish to be a native english speaker.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ForTheTruth on July 24, 2010, 08:41:20 PM
I don't think V is Michael, but why would he use the 02 pic of Michael?
Double meaning? coincidence? :|
Besides that his statement is interesting.  :D
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on July 24, 2010, 09:48:41 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Ra, or Horus, was the God of war and it´s believed the Illuminati eye represents the eye of horus. [/color]

One eye represents the Illuminati The LEFT EYE. Also called the all seeing eye the Wedget, the Cobra God. A SNAKE.

The RIGHT EYE, which is the Eye of Horus is a symbol of protection and royal power


From a previous thread, Here:http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7348&start=100#p209319

Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Then you have the Eye of Ra
To the Egyptians, the sun represented light, warmth, and growth. This made the sun deity very important and the sun was seen as the ruler of all that he created. The sun disk was either seen as the body or eye of Ra.

Then the Eye of Horus
Since Horus was said to be the sky, he was considered to also contain the sun and moon. It became said that the sun was his right eye and the moon his left, and that they traversed the sky when he, a falcon, flew across it. Thus he became known as Harmerty - Horus of two eyes.

The Eye of Horus is an ancient Egyptian symbol of protection and royal power from deities, in this case from Horus or Ra. The symbol is seen on images of Horus' mother, Isis, and on other deities associated with her.

Eye of Horus & Invincible Album Cover

(http://mjtmc.com/images/invincible.jpg)

(http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy67/droopinghalo/EyeofhorusInvincible.jpg)

Not to be confused with the Left Eye symbol.

(http://www.cuttingedge.org/All_Seeing_Eye_Left_Right.jpg)

Now notice, these eyes are all the same type of eye -- the Left-Hand Eye! Notice these two types of the Egyptian Eye, pictured here. Notice that one eye is "Left" and the other "Right". "To the ancient Egyptians, the right eye symbolized the sun and the left eye the moon." [Burns, p. 358] Obviously, these eyes are all Left hand eyes; we believe this may symbolize the fact that the entire Illuminist plan is a Left-Hand Path plan that will result in the successful appearance of their Masonic Christ, the Biblical Antichrist.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1731.cfm
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on July 24, 2010, 09:53:22 PM
Quote from: "Hazzely"
I Am Not Michael Jackson
Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 03:24PM

It has come to my attention, rather urgently in fact, that there has been much speculation whether I am actually Michael Jackson.

I can most assuredly tell you: I am, indeed, NOT.

In fact, before I was forwarded all the recent correspondence from a bevy of his devoted fans, I was not even aware that there was a possibility that Michael might have faked his death. I was then shown footage of his appearance at London's 02 last year (a screen grab of which is displayed above), that the editor suggested was not Michael Jackson at all, but an imposter. Finally, I was shown certain scenes of his body bag being transferred by helicopter, and it is quite obvious that at one point the bag briefly gets up by itself.

I know you love Michael very deeply, and I know that you miss him. Yes, he may yet be alive in this plane. However, though I have had the pleasure and honor of personally meeting him, I am not he. Michael was quite aware of the rot in the corporate and political spheres, and though born into the music business, he eventually freed his body, mind and soul from it. Regardless if Michael is in a physical body or not, he is as eternal as we are and knows that we should be united in Self-Realization, with love and tolerance for each other and in harmony with Mother Nature, our earth. Unfortunately, not everyone on this planet is so enlightened, especially those possessing political, military and/or economic authority. In fact, if Michael did return to the spiritual world, certain evidence suggests that a group of people from this latter group of the unenlightened may have actually plotted and murdered him, for various motivations.

If these scoundrels did not get to Michael first, and he faked his death as so many others have done before, then I applaud him and wish him well. In fact, I would not put it past him and so I, too, would look for messages secretly left by him for those with eyes to see and with ears to listen. ;)

V

Excellent!
There is our answer and I do not feel this person is evil either. They are on a mission to awaken, enlighten and mobilize the masses.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: traceys_home on July 25, 2010, 01:14:44 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "Hazzely"
I Am Not Michael Jackson
Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 03:24PM

It has come to my attention, rather urgently in fact, that there has been much speculation whether I am actually Michael Jackson.

I can most assuredly tell you: I am, indeed, NOT.

In fact, before I was forwarded all the recent correspondence from a bevy of his devoted fans, I was not even aware that there was a possibility that Michael might have faked his death. I was then shown footage of his appearance at London's 02 last year (a screen grab of which is displayed above), that the editor suggested was not Michael Jackson at all, but an imposter. Finally, I was shown certain scenes of his body bag being transferred by helicopter, and it is quite obvious that at one point the bag briefly gets up by itself.

I know you love Michael very deeply, and I know that you miss him. Yes, he may yet be alive in this plane. However, though I have had the pleasure and honor of personally meeting him, I am not he. Michael was quite aware of the rot in the corporate and political spheres, and though born into the music business, he eventually freed his body, mind and soul from it. Regardless if Michael is in a physical body or not, he is as eternal as we are and knows that we should be united in Self-Realization, with love and tolerance for each other and in harmony with Mother Nature, our earth. Unfortunately, not everyone on this planet is so enlightened, especially those possessing political, military and/or economic authority. In fact, if Michael did return to the spiritual world, certain evidence suggests that a group of people from this latter group of the unenlightened may have actually plotted and murdered him, for various motivations.

If these scoundrels did not get to Michael first, and he faked his death as so many others have done before, then I applaud him and wish him well. In fact, I would not put it past him and so I, too, would look for messages secretly left by him for those with eyes to see and with ears to listen. ;)

V

Excellent!
There is our answer and I do not feel this person is evil either. They are on a mission to awaken, enlighten and mobilize the masses.


 :D Awesome Response :D  Thanks for posting!

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: paula-c on July 25, 2010, 10:31:00 AM
! If these scoundrels did not get to Michael first, and he faked his death as so many others have done before, then I applaud him and wish him well. In fact, I would not put it past him and so I, too, would look for messages secretly left by him for those with eyes to see and with ears to listen. !



 This paragraph is very interesting and needs attention :geek:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ForTheTruth on July 27, 2010, 12:03:12 AM
videoforvanquish
 To all who have sent me messages, comments, videos, and even criticism...thank you so much. If I do not have time to answer each and every one of you, please take no offense but know that I consider every heartfelt communiqué quite seriously. To all MJ devotees, thank you for your sharing and education. There is always much to be learned in the relative worlds.

Many blessings,

V (1 day ago)

http://www.youtube.com/user/videoforvanquish (http://www.youtube.com/user/videoforvanquish)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Sarahli on July 27, 2010, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
videoforvanquish
 To all who have sent me messages, comments, videos, and even criticism...thank you so much. If I do not have time to answer each and every one of you, please take no offense but know that I consider every heartfelt communiqué quite seriously. To all MJ devotees, thank you for your sharing and education. There is always much to be learned in the relative worlds.

Many blessings,

V (1 day ago)

http://www.youtube.com/user/videoforvanquish (http://www.youtube.com/user/videoforvanquish)

I like it when English people use some french words. It gives a certain style that I really appreciate !

"relative worlds"   :idea:
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: nefari on July 27, 2010, 01:50:16 PM
(http://www.herbalinfusions.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/mike-wazowski1.jpg)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: DirtyCama on August 14, 2010, 06:15:19 AM
Hai. Can anyone write Vendetta's new speech ? Please.  :P

God bless ya all <3
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: michaelsupporter on August 14, 2010, 10:37:48 AM
Has anyone seen the link below???????????

....it bears close resemblance to the Vendetta character (from the videos) but it is superimposed over the Criss Angel "BeLIEve" webpage. Does anyone have any idea what is going on?!?!?!?!? Isn't that illegal to set up a web page that utilizes the likeness of a trademarked website (Criss Angel and Cirque du Soleil)??????? :o

http://thekingishere.ning.com/forum/top ... -planed-to (http://thekingishere.ning.com/forum/topics/michael-jackson-planed-to)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: voiceforthesilent on August 14, 2010, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: "paula-c"
! If these scoundrels did not get to Michael first, and he faked his death as so many others have done before, then I applaud him and wish him well. In fact, I would not put it past him and so I, too, would look for messages secretly left by him for those with eyes to see and with ears to listen. !



 This paragraph is very interesting and needs attention :geek:

Yes, indeed. The whole message was very interesting but especially this paragraph. I found it interesting that this person states he didn't consider that Michael could have faked his death until it was brought to his attention and it appears that his thoughts have changed to a definite "maybe" since then. Blessings. Keep the faith.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Sangre on August 14, 2010, 12:35:06 PM
Very Michael-ish in many ways. LOL. Kind of scary.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on August 14, 2010, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: "DirtyCama"
Hai. Can anyone write Vendetta's new speech ? Please.  :P

God bless ya all <3

I tried, there were some words I didn't quite understand. He has a british accent, it was hard to understand a few words because I don't have that accent. And other words, well my vocabulary just didn't include them so I wasn't quite sure how to spell them, etc. :lol:

Quote from: "Vendetta, said not"
Good Evening, Hollywood. Allow me first, to apologize for this mysterious appearance. I do, like many of you, appreciate the conflicts of the everyday routine. The security of the familiar; a tranquility of repitition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of (comimilation?) or by those who (?) the (events?) of the past, usually associated with someones death or the end of some awful, bloody struggle, are celebrated with a nice holiday. I thought we could mark this 13th of July, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now (windows?) are being typed into text, into emails, and denials of service will soon be on their way. Why? Because while censorship may be used in lew of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, to the enunciation of truth, and the truth is, there's something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, and tolerance and oppression, and at once you had the freedom to object, to think, and speak as you (?). You now have sensors, and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well, certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable. But again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you are afraid, but who wouldn't be? War, terrorism, swine flu... There are a million of problems which conspire to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear that the best of you, and in your panic you turn to illegitimate President Barack Obama, he promised you change. He promised you hope, and all he demanded in return was your unquestioning worship, (or?) adultery. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I *strange beep covering the words* to remind this country of what it has forgotten. In numerable (years?) ago, in the ancient land of Egypt, the son God Ra was born on the 13th of July. More than 2000 years ago, Julius Ceaser was born on the 13th of July. 87 years ago, on the 13th of July, the Hollywood sign was officially dedicated on the hills above Hollywood. 69 years ago, on the 13th of July, a group of rebels living in Montenegro, which literally means black mountain, a country in southeastern Europe, forged the first uprising against the vapid fascism of Adolf Hitler, and the 3rd (reich?) Mussolini, and the rest of the axis powers. 37 years ago, on the 13th of July, Mr. Alexander Butterfield revealed the existence of the Nixon Tapes, and the infamous (prodigate?) scandal. 25 years go, on the 13th of July, the live aid benefit concert took place in key cities around the world and sometime in the great expense of passing (aons?), I was born on the 13th of July. My hope on this day, the 13th of July, is to remind this world that fairness, justice, and freedom, are more than words, they're perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then I would suggest that you allow the 13th of July to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel what I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me, one year from tonight, in front of the Hollywood sign, and together we shall give them the 13th of July that shall never, ever be forgot.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: nefari on August 16, 2010, 04:46:46 AM
I believe that word being sought is "Watergate", the infamous Watergate scandal of Former President Richard M. Nixon.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Emily Hutjes on August 16, 2010, 06:53:21 PM
That video of the masked man is rather frightening. Well, if whoever that is , cannot tel me his story in a less greepy way, than I can't take his message serious. I shall refuse to be forced into a state of fear. So, take of your mask off, use a normal voice, show us your back for al care and stop doing that thing with your hands---maybe I'll lend you my ears.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ForTheTruth on September 08, 2010, 06:30:03 AM
New video posted.
http://vforvanquish.com/ (http://vforvanquish.com/)

[youtube:iwrezmqt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FiGZG1tmz0[/youtube:iwrezmqt]
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: applehead250609 on September 08, 2010, 03:44:51 PM
Hello!!!

Quote from: "ForTheTruth"
New video posted.
http://vforvanquish.com/ (http://vforvanquish.com/)

[youtube:1j8ri7tk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FiGZG1tmz0[/youtube:1j8ri7tk]


You know ForTheTruth the dance between Eve and V remindes me of the dance between Michael and his ladys fans in HISTORY tour,lol :D  8-) .And the kiss between them reminds me of the kiss Michael gave to Lisa Marie in 1998 when they were in Los Angeles.Michael had his maks on just like V has his. :shock:  8-)
Here it is you can see for yourself,starting 0:33 in this video:



[youtube:1j8ri7tk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uw9JJUsIk8[/youtube:1j8ri7tk]



Love you!!!
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Emily Hutjes on September 15, 2010, 03:10:16 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8759545020 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4082679431972911812#docid=-4114414828759545020)

Is this your mysterious speaker, named 'Victor'? There is more of him, check it out pls.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on September 15, 2010, 04:22:01 AM
Quote from: "Emily Hutjes"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4082679431972911812#docid=-4114414828759545020

Is this your mysterious speaker, named 'Victor'? There is more of him, check it out pls.

"Victor" looks like having a fury face  :roll:
Sorry, that video did not give me any trust.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on September 15, 2010, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: "Sky"
Quote from: "Gema"
Do you mean thatthe mask has been created on the image? that the guy is not wearing a mask?

Yes I think so.. depending on what type of software was used to edit it. Or it's an image that was animated?

Here is a video created with animated software.

This video is hilarious. It trips me out that the date this vid was uploaded is 9/9/09...
 :shock:

[youtube:3vd7oh6m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVuNBfDCaVo[/youtube:3vd7oh6m]
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Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Emily Hutjes on September 15, 2010, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "Emily Hutjes"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4082679431972911812#docid=-4114414828759545020

Is this your mysterious speaker, named 'Victor'? There is more of him, check it out pls.

"Victor" looks like having a fury face  :roll:
Sorry, that video did not give me any trust.

I meant the voice and what he said. There is more of that interview on youtube, it is a bit strange to me
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: MissG on September 15, 2010, 06:21:58 PM
What do you find extrange?
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 28, 2011, 03:15:43 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Don't know what to think. I can see everyone's point of view. A couple things I will mention- I disagree with Hollywood not being a good choice. I think it would be a good choice for something like this to reveal what Hollywood really is - a bunch of lies. I do agree with Souza though that it looks pretty dangerous. Another thing is the numerology within the date. One thing I keep in mind is that both MJ's birth date and 'death' date reduce to the number 6:
Birth - August 29, 1958 - 8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42  and 4+2 = 6
'Death' - June 25, 2009 - 6+2+5+2+9= 24 and 2+4 = 6

Coincidence? Perhaps. But I have kept this in the back of my mind when dates come up. I don't think it's necessary to focus too much on the "when", as I've said before, because the reasons for the hoax are much more important. However, I think it's reasonable to guess that the "BAM" date could be a date that also reduces to a 6 because that would give us the number 666, which represents the things this hoax is meant to expose.

July 13, 2011 - 7+1+3+2+1+1=15 and 1+5= 6

Of course, this numerology is no secret and is available to anyone, so whoever made this video could have made it with that in mind and chosen the date accordingly as to trick the "hoaxers". Unfortunately I feel that may be likely. The date could also be a mere coincidence.

I agree with Souza, MJ doesn't need to copy someone. Of course he was inspired by many people, events, movies, and literature. But whatever he does is going to be unlike anything that has ever been done before. You can count on that.

I disagree with you on both the birth date and the death date. The death date for obvious reasons, and IMO his birth date makes 999:

Quote from: "~Souza~"
Ok, I'm gonna throw this out again:

I don't have access to the report now, but I'll try to recall what I know and check later on but I think this is pretty much what the report said:

Intelius shows us:

Michael J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
Mike J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives

There is more than one DOB listed, because there are more people with those names. There is only one DOB they both have in common: January 28, 1960. Now let's list some things:

In 1969 when Mike was supposed to be 11, he had to tell people he was 9, for PR reasons (I guess you are way cuter at 9, because you are darn old at 11.. :S )... Look at the video below, it's from 1968. Is he 10 or 8 there? IMO maybe 10, more likely 8, going on 9.

[youtube:lve85bm1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux3joe0GdTA[/youtube:lve85bm1]

When you pay close attention while watching The Jacksons - An American Dream (produced by Jermaine!!) you will notice that Katherine gets pregnant with Mike in 1959. Well you can try but it's impossible in that case to give birth in 1958. (btw: at birth she names him Michael Joe, not Joseph).

Then we had this:
Quote
01/28/2010 at 08:30 am in department 5
at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Revocation of Will
Hmmmm, turning 50 would be a good time to have your will revoked, don't you think?

It's not like there is a sibling 'in the way'. Marlon David Jackson (born March 12, 1957), Steven Randall "Randy" Jackson (born October 29, 1961). So both dates are possible, there is quite a gap between Marlon and Randy, considering the fact that the older siblings had way less time in between.

The indictment of 2003. Although the whole world knows his DOB, it's blocked out:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/24_indictment.jpg)

Make up your own mind about it, but my bet is that the moment the world learned his name was Michael Joseph Jackson, born August 29, 1958, a hoax was already in the planning.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011)
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Here are the factual errors from IMBd for the movie The Jacksons: An American Dream:

Goofs for The Jacksons: An American Dream (1992) (TV)
* Factual errors: The Jackson 5's first single was "Big Boy", not "Kansas City."

* Factual errors: When Michael is in the studio laying down the audio tracks for the song "Human Nature", the caption reads that the year is 1983. Human Nature was on the "Thriller" album, which had already been released in 1982.

* Factual errors: Before the brothers go on there first tour with Motown in 1970 they are shown in the recording studio listening to playback of "Rockin' Robin" Which wasn't recorded until 1972 on Michael's first solo album.
   
* Factual errors: Michael Jackson was born 29th August 1958 not 1959.

* Factual errors: "I'll be there" was recorded by The Jackson 5 after "ABC" in 1970. "ABC" was actually first recorded in 1969 around the time of "I want you back."
   
* Factual errors: In the scene when the actor who plays Michael Jackson is doing his solo performance for Motown, the single, glittery glove he is wearing is on his right hand. In the actual performance, the real Michael Jackson is wearing the glove on his left hand.
         
* Factual errors: In the original Motown 25 performance of 'Billie Jean', Michael Jackson wore the sparkling glove on his left hand. In the portrayal of this performance in the movie, Michael is wearing the glove on his right hand.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104541/goofs

I purchased an Intelius search for Michael J. Jackson in California

All of these listing seem to be for Michael but some information still isn't correct though.
I don`t see a Michael J., Joe, or Joseph born in 1960 that is related to Katherine etc listed in this report.


(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/1-1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/2-1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/3.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/4.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/5.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/6.jpg)

These listing appear to be for other people unrelated to Michael.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/1958-1.jpg)

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Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: suspicious mind on January 28, 2011, 03:35:43 PM
katherines middle name is :shock: Esther
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 28, 2011, 04:28:58 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Don't know what to think. I can see everyone's point of view. A couple things I will mention- I disagree with Hollywood not being a good choice. I think it would be a good choice for something like this to reveal what Hollywood really is - a bunch of lies. I do agree with Souza though that it looks pretty dangerous. Another thing is the numerology within the date. One thing I keep in mind is that both MJ's birth date and 'death' date reduce to the number 6:
Birth - August 29, 1958 - 8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42  and 4+2 = 6
'Death' - June 25, 2009 - 6+2+5+2+9= 24 and 2+4 = 6

Coincidence? Perhaps. But I have kept this in the back of my mind when dates come up. I don't think it's necessary to focus too much on the "when", as I've said before, because the reasons for the hoax are much more important. However, I think it's reasonable to guess that the "BAM" date could be a date that also reduces to a 6 because that would give us the number 666, which represents the things this hoax is meant to expose.

July 13, 2011 - 7+1+3+2+1+1=15 and 1+5= 6

Of course, this numerology is no secret and is available to anyone, so whoever made this video could have made it with that in mind and chosen the date accordingly as to trick the "hoaxers". Unfortunately I feel that may be likely. The date could also be a mere coincidence.

I agree with Souza, MJ doesn't need to copy someone. Of course he was inspired by many people, events, movies, and literature. But whatever he does is going to be unlike anything that has ever been done before. You can count on that.

I disagree with you on both the birth date and the death date. The death date for obvious reasons, and IMO his birth date makes 999:

Quote from: "~Souza~"
Ok, I'm gonna throw this out again:

I don't have access to the report now, but I'll try to recall what I know and check later on but I think this is pretty much what the report said:

Intelius shows us:

Michael J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives
Mike J. Jackson - California - Katherine and some others from the family as relatives

There is more than one DOB listed, because there are more people with those names. There is only one DOB they both have in common: January 28, 1960. Now let's list some things:

In 1969 when Mike was supposed to be 11, he had to tell people he was 9, for PR reasons (I guess you are way cuter at 9, because you are darn old at 11.. :S )... Look at the video below, it's from 1968. Is he 10 or 8 there? IMO maybe 10, more likely 8, going on 9.

[youtube:bytafi9g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux3joe0GdTA[/youtube:bytafi9g]

When you pay close attention while watching The Jacksons - An American Dream (produced by Jermaine!!) you will notice that Katherine gets pregnant with Mike in 1959. Well you can try but it's impossible in that case to give birth in 1958. (btw: at birth she names him Michael Joe, not Joseph).

Then we had this:
Quote
01/28/2010 at 08:30 am in department 5
at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Revocation of Will
Hmmmm, turning 50 would be a good time to have your will revoked, don't you think?

It's not like there is a sibling 'in the way'. Marlon David Jackson (born March 12, 1957), Steven Randall "Randy" Jackson (born October 29, 1961). So both dates are possible, there is quite a gap between Marlon and Randy, considering the fact that the older siblings had way less time in between.

The indictment of 2003. Although the whole world knows his DOB, it's blocked out:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/24_indictment.jpg)

Make up your own mind about it, but my bet is that the moment the world learned his name was Michael Joseph Jackson, born August 29, 1958, a hoax was already in the planning.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1950&start=200#p198011)
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Here are the factual errors from IMBd for the movie The Jacksons: An American Dream:

Goofs for The Jacksons: An American Dream (1992) (TV)
* Factual errors: The Jackson 5's first single was "Big Boy", not "Kansas City."

* Factual errors: When Michael is in the studio laying down the audio tracks for the song "Human Nature", the caption reads that the year is 1983. Human Nature was on the "Thriller" album, which had already been released in 1982.

* Factual errors: Before the brothers go on there first tour with Motown in 1970 they are shown in the recording studio listening to playback of "Rockin' Robin" Which wasn't recorded until 1972 on Michael's first solo album.
   
* Factual errors: Michael Jackson was born 29th August 1958 not 1959.

* Factual errors: "I'll be there" was recorded by The Jackson 5 after "ABC" in 1970. "ABC" was actually first recorded in 1969 around the time of "I want you back."
   
* Factual errors: In the scene when the actor who plays Michael Jackson is doing his solo performance for Motown, the single, glittery glove he is wearing is on his right hand. In the actual performance, the real Michael Jackson is wearing the glove on his left hand.
         
* Factual errors: In the original Motown 25 performance of 'Billie Jean', Michael Jackson wore the sparkling glove on his left hand. In the portrayal of this performance in the movie, Michael is wearing the glove on his right hand.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104541/goofs

I purchased an Intelius search for Michael J. Jackson in California

All of these listing seem to be for Michael but some information still isn't correct though.
I don`t see a Michael J., Joe, or Joseph born in 1960 that is related to Katherine etc listed in this report.


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(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/3.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/4.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/5.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/6.jpg)

These listing appear to be for other people unrelated to Michael.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/1958-1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/1958-2.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/1958-3.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/1959-1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/1959-2.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Not1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Not2.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Not3.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Not4.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Not5.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Not6.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Not7.jpg)

I have the actual complete background checks of both Mike J. Jackson and Michael J. Jackson on my HD and the only birth dates listed in both of the documents is 1/28/1960, I didn't make it up.

On Mike J. Jackson's file the Encino house is listed as property, some property in LA and New Jersey, 2 addresses at Culver City and some PO boxes. Relatives listed are Katherine E. Jackson and Michael J. Jackson.

In Michael Jackson's file there are a lot of addresses in Alabama and New Jersey. Nothing that connects to LA or California but the interesting thing is that 1/28/1960 was again listed. 8/29/1958 isn't listed in any of them.

Intelius is a mess, and I think most of the info is not accurate, but these birth dates, combined with what I posted I think it's very possible that 1/28/1960 is his real DOB. The Jacksons worked on the American Dream and I don't think they would make such an error, and I think it's only logic that IMDB has it listed as an error, because everyone thinks 8/29/1958 is his real birthday.

But pull the complete reports and see for yourself. 1/28/1960 is listed on both names.
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 28, 2011, 04:33:30 PM
Ah! Didn't even notice it was the 28th today. So just in case: Happy Birthday Mike!
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: Andrea on January 28, 2011, 05:09:02 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Ah! Didn't even notice it was the 28th today. So just in case: Happy Birthday Mike!

 :lol:  I will second that!  Happy Birthday (maybe) Michael!  :)
Title: Re: HOLY CRAP!!! This vid just posted on You Tube...V??
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on January 28, 2011, 06:29:16 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Ah! Didn't even notice it was the 28th today. So just in case: Happy Birthday Mike!

 :lol:  I will second that!  Happy Birthday (maybe) Michael!  :)

Third! Happy Possible Birthday MJ :lol: :D
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