Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
General Michael Jackson Forum => Random MJ Talk => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on December 11, 2009, 06:51:17 AM
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I felt the urge to post this, after reading this post: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1200
It seems that some members are having so much doubt about Mike being alive, that as soon as someone tells something that sounds plausible about Mike being dead, they will jump out of their panties. I myself, after more then 5 months of research, will never believe he died on June 25th of this year. I am convinced he is alive and not even an autopsy picture would change that. Why? Because in those 5 months there has been no proof of him being dead, and hundreds, maybe even thousands of clues that he is still alive. Let me give you a summary of the events to cheer you up:
June 25:
Mike 'dies'. The inconsistencies in the story already start on this day. I remember I heard on the news that he had been taken to the hospital and that he was in a coma. TMZ reports his death at 2:20 PT, while he wasn't pronounced dead by the doctors at UCLA before 2:26 PT. Later we hear that he was dead on arrival, and even that he should have been dead hours before the EMT's arrived. Some stories say that Prince was in the room, sometimes he was not. Stories saying he collapsed in the living room with Murray present, stories he was on Murray's bed/his own bed and Murray in the bathroom. He died of an overdose Demerol, later it was Propofol. Now what is it? Also remember the clearly fake ambulance picture and the stupid moron who made a picture of the famous photographer, instead of running his ass off to the ambulance and try to make that shot himself.
There hasn't been a doctor that wanted to sign the death certificate. If he died in the house, why didn't sign Murray, and if he was in a coma first at UCLA, why didn't sign a doctor from UCLA the DC? Because there is no DC. The 3 or 4 versions we have seen are fake, because his name is not Michael Joseph Jackson anymore. Either it was never his real name, or he changed it before the 2005 trial, but the name is not right, means the DC is a fake.
LAPD:
The LADP allows the family in the house first, before they search it. Well, enough said, I really hope nobody will buy that story. Also there are only 3 investigators on the case. We had a case of a murdered girl here in Holland a few years ago, there were 50!! investigators on the case. 3 is ridiculous...
The Autopsy:
No autopsy pictures were released. I can tell you that that picture would have been worth a LOT more than the ambulance picture. There will always be someone greedy enough at the coroner's office to make the picture and sell it. Nobody did. Why? Because there was no body guys. That also convinced me of the fact that he didn't hoax his death to never return again. If he really wanted us to believe he is dead, we would have seen an autopsy picture or at least an open casket picture (and not the mirrored James Brown one I mean ;) )
Mo and I also e-mailed Craig Harvey from the Coroner's office. I don't know if you will still have doubts after this recap, but in that case I advice you to e-mail the guy, your doubts will vanish into thin air if you ask the right questions and read between the lines, although I am not sure he still replies the 'Hoaxies' :lol: . They say they removed his brain for examination and delivered it back to the family. If they really found Mike in bed with IV's and pumped full of drugs, they would have assumed that that would have been the cause of the cardiac arrest, not a neurological problem.
Removing an entire brain is not common, they only do that if it's hard to find a cause of death and think it's neurological. In that case they will slice the brain, which makes it impossible to return it to the family. Drugs can be found in hair or nails, and IF they needed a brain sample, they could have done a biopsy, no need to take the brain out.
The memorial:
Started late, no tears, old pictures, "I'm alive and I'm here forever", no open casket, Barnum Circus in town and you may agree or disagree, but I think Mike was there himself, dressed as the blondie.
The funeral:
Staged, probably shot at culver, again no open casket, people looked bored, started late too, and again Mike on TV at Larry King Live as Dave Dave.
And there is so much more. Read the forum, read the hoax blogs, read articles. After reading all of this, it's impossible IMO to still think he's dead. Mike is trying to teach us. By 'cracking his code' he wants us to learn to think for ourselves and not take everything the media or the government says for truth. He is showing us so much, but only few people are seeing it. Read more, think more, post more and don't say "OMG HE'S DEAD" whenever some ass tells you a BS story from some anonymous source that he is dead, because he is not.
Check into the chat once in a while to participate in the conversations or ask other members questions if you don't understand something. Don't let people fool you. Do you really think Mike hoaxed his death and would not make some people think he is dead? Confusion confusion folks. Only those that read between the lines and think for themselves, will know he's alive. If you believe anything someone tells you, you still didn't get his point.
Cheer up people and go read some stuff!
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BIG THANK YOU, AGAIN!
I' M LOST IN THE FORUM WITH TOO MANY TOPICS... BUT MAYBE QE MUST SEPARATE DE BELIEVERS OF THE NON BELIEVERS... WE ARE HERE TO INVESTIGATE THE HOAX NOT TO SEARCH PROOFS THAT HE IS NOT DEAD, ALIVE, DEAD...
I'M HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE HOAX, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE KNOW THAT HE IS OK! ;)
I DON'T NEED MORE PROOF THAT HOW I FEEL, BUT I'M HERE TO SHARE THIS TIME WITH PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE ME! BELIEVERS... :)
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Thank you Miss Souza :D
I know all these things and so much more. I think some folks were expecting Michael to "return" by now, but I know it is not time yet. People will need to get thru the "drought" period. That is the place where you have to reach back and grab everything you know (IE: Your Post) and place it in front of you once again. Look to what you know when your mind which has been conditioned for your whole life tries to insist that you believe what the "TV / MEDIA / PAPERS / RUMORS tell you. We have to condition our minds to think for themselves.
This is a very important lesson.
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Thanks Souza...you are absolutely right with what you are saying! I am a total believer in the hoax and nothing will change my mind. I know MJ is alive and nobody will convince me otherwise.
I do however want to make a comment. I was reading Rabbi Schmuley's book (online of course bacause I would NEVER support anything that Schmuley does....). In the very beginning of the book/tapes, Michael goes in to great detail about wanting to disappear. He doesn't leave much for the imagination....it is quite clear that at that time, he did not want to grow old, did not want to be photographed, did not want to be seen.....and uses the word "disappear" several times. I truly believe that is what Michael wanted to do ... and he has done that very thing. My point is, because we are able to hear MJs words, are we going against what he would want by continuing with trying to find him, waiting for him to appear, trying to unravel what he has done. I mean, he states his wishes so plainly. I am starting to think that maybe we should just leave him alone and not bring so much attention to "uncovering the truth". If it was reported by someone else, another source, it would not mean much to me but the fact that this book was released so quickly after his "supposed death" makes me wonder if MJ wanted HIS WORDS HEARD.....and really just to be allowed to "disappear".
Again, I am in total agreement that this is a hoax......he is alive and hopefully well.....but maybe we are not allowing him to go on with what he really wanted.....just to "disappear".
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Thanks Souza,
you've really expressed how I feel. There is a reason why I keep coming back to this site - it's because I cannot and will not believe that Michael has died.
The whole scenario regarding the 'death' and the funeral makes no sense to me. He has been trying to get his message through for years, but people just haven't been listening. He had to do something dramatic - and boy has he done it.
I think people are starting wake up and smell the coffee, so to speak. I'm not sure how and when Micheal will choose to come back, but I believe he will communicate his reasons in such a way that people won't be angry or upset with him.
We have to be strong....Michael really needs us to be there for him.
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Thanks Souza, I needed to read it.
Thanks Souza...you are absolutely right with what you are saying! I am a total believer in the hoax and nothing will change my mind. I know MJ is alive and nobody will convince me otherwise.
I do however want to make a comment. I was reading Rabbi Schmuley's book (online of course bacause I would NEVER support anything that Schmuley does....). In the very beginning of the book/tapes, Michael goes in to great detail about wanting to disappear.
Yes, but why announcing concerts and creating such a commotion when he was already "half hidden" before the concert announcements? I mean I hadn't heard much of him before the announcements. That's what I don't understand, and it makes me think there's more behind his supposed death than wanting to disappear...
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YES! He wanted to be ON STAGE AGAIN IN THE PUBLIC EYE, THE SPOTLIGHT ON ... CALL THE ATTENTION and then disappear ... BUT WHY? I DON'T KNOW... THAT'S THE QUESTION! ;)
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The memorial:
Started late, no tears, old pictures, "I'm alive and I'm here forever", no open casket, Barnum Circus in town and you may agree or disagree, but I think Mike was there himself, dressed as the blondie.
heres a pic with her
(http://i48.tinypic.com/f5azxc.jpg)
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Souza you are magnificent with those restated points and highlights of the hoax. Let me just say that I honestly do believe that MJ is still here but there are two main things that I worry about and they are....#1. Where could he be (can he hide this long without being found?)#2 Is he going to reappear or is that simply not an option for him at this point because the entire world has mourned his death. If he has been sitting back watching all of these things take place would he come out? I dont;' feel he would. Too much has happened. #3 Does he know how much us fans miss him? If he doesn't decide to come out wouldnt it seem logical for him to give us a sure sign that he is still here so that us fans may have closure? Even if we never see him again? :( :( :( :cry: Just seems logical. People keep saying he will come out but does it make sense for him too? Or does it depend on his reasons for the hoax?
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Ditto what has been said plus...
We live in a different age than generations before us and we react to situations and circumstances accordingly. When we are hungry , we pop food into a microwave instead of waiting the extra time needed for it to heat in an oven. When we want to read the latest news, we go online instead of waiting for the next print edition of a newspaper. When we want to correspond with a friend, we exchange emails instead of sending a snail mail letter.
We live in an instant, right now, pronto and immediate world these days. Our lives are indeed made easier however patience skllls have deteriorated as a result. :lol:
We must remember...Michael Jackson planned a hoax with his schedule in mind. Not ours. ;)
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i find i am too stupid to believe someone's idea without proof..now i am a strong hoax believer like all of you on this site..
thank you ~Souza~,your post make me have a clear outline in my mind..i will not lost my way agian.. :roll:
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Thank you miss souza, thank you for reminding me. I admit I'm loosing hope, thank you for the wake up call. :)
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Thanks!
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Thank you Souza I need that!
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THANK YOU!!!
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Thanks Souza...you are absolutely right with what you are saying! I am a total believer in the hoax and nothing will change my mind. I know MJ is alive and nobody will convince me otherwise.
I do however want to make a comment. I was reading Rabbi Schmuley's book (online of course bacause I would NEVER support anything that Schmuley does....). In the very beginning of the book/tapes, Michael goes in to great detail about wanting to disappear. He doesn't leave much for the imagination....it is quite clear that at that time, he did not want to grow old, did not want to be photographed, did not want to be seen.....and uses the word "disappear" several times. I truly believe that is what Michael wanted to do ... and he has done that very thing. My point is, because we are able to hear MJs words, are we going against what he would want by continuing with trying to find him, waiting for him to appear, trying to unravel what he has done. I mean, he states his wishes so plainly. I am starting to think that maybe we should just leave him alone and not bring so much attention to "uncovering the truth". If it was reported by someone else, another source, it would not mean much to me but the fact that this book was released so quickly after his "supposed death" makes me wonder if MJ wanted HIS WORDS HEARD.....and really just to be allowed to "disappear".
Again, I am in total agreement that this is a hoax......he is alive and hopefully well.....but maybe we are not allowing him to go on with what he really wanted.....just to "disappear".
Oh, but I think he did disappear for a while. When did you see him the last time? And are you really sure it was him?
And I am not here to find him. Even if I would find out where he is (not very likely though) I would not tell someone or try to find him. His location is of no importance. The fact that he leaves all these 'clues' is because he wants us to open our eyes to certain things. Stop living on the automatic pilot and think for ourselves again. Read stuff before judging someone or something. It's not a roadmap to his location, it's a roadmap to your own brain, your own intellect.
He has planned this for his reasons and he needs the time to do the things that need to be done. If that means he comes back next year, fine. If it means he needs another 5 years, also fine. Remember he must have some balls to pull this off and he doesn't owe his fans anything, they have had him long enough already. This is his project and he decides if and when he returns. Because of the point in my post I am pretty sure he will be back one day.
@mjboogie:
#1. Where could he be (can he hide this long without being found?)
See above. And of course he can hide this long, don't you remember him saying he has any disguise you can think of? ;)
#2 Is he going to reappear or is that simply not an option for him at this point because the entire world has mourned his death. If he has been sitting back watching all of these things take place would he come out? I dont;' feel he would. Too much has happened.
Do not think for him, we don't know how he might feel or think. He could be a whole different man than you expect. Sitting back would be the wrong thing to say maybe, but if the goal is big enough it can be dealt with. And not all people mourned. Those who saw the BS spread through the mainstream media knew instantly something was wrong.
#3 Does he know how much us fans miss him? If he doesn't decide to come out wouldnt it seem logical for him to give us a sure sign that he is still here so that us fans may have closure? Even if we never see him again?
How much his fans miss him? The guy hasn't been on stage in 12 years, we haven't seen him in public for years and he doesn't owe his fans anything, they do not decide how he should live his life. He does! How much do you think he missed his privacy all these years? Paps wherever he went or crazy fans wanting a piece of him. If he would have been gone forever, he wouldn't have given the signs we DID get that he's alive. Read my post again, aren't those signs?
People are talking about "when will he return" too much. He wants us to see WHY he did it, not when he returns. If you would find that out, it's just a funfact, but not the big picture and it would mean you are missing the essence of this adventure.
Please start reading and stop wondering about the when, think about the why...
This is just my thought of course, for I don't know the ending myself either, but this is what my brain has concluded.
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Yeap I agree, there is no proof he is dead.
but I have a question, what about the people there in LA who were selling Michael's autopsy picture in 1million dollars ?
are they crazy ? was it a lie ? a very famous tv host here in my country went there and he saw that people offering the picture and he said everything was crazy there, everything was about Michael, and I trust this man, I do.
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Great, great, great work Souza. Thanks. It bothers me when people shriek out that maybe he is dead or that they're losing help, ET. Al. I personally am not looking to finally discover that MJ died. I believe like you that he is alive, and I'll always believe it.
I don't know how to explain it all, but for me these things stick out.
1. The messages and pictures shown at the Memorial upon reflection didn't scream finality. I chocked it up to my just feeling let down and disappointed that someone so giving and loving had to leave us so soon.
Something just didn't seem right. And then when Berry Gordy remarked that MJ made some questionable decisions, now in retrospect, I think he was speaking about this hoax for the most part.
Jermaine's singing the wrong words in "Smile" was very telling, and if not for the message being sent, one could have thought that he didn't know the correct words to the song. But we know he does.
2. Michael's children are very important to him. We don't know all of his reasons for doing what he did, but I think he wanted his children to be able to venture out into the real world. He wanted them to be able to cope as adults with the real world; although he knows that they will probably need bodyguards for the rest of their lives. He wanted them to have some freedom. He wanted people to see his creations and learn their faces.
The way he raised Prince and Paris reminds me of John-John and Caroline Kennedy. He admired their mother very much, and she edited his biography. He wants them to be giving and loving persons like he is, and he wants them to be cultured and learned. But most of all, he wants them to have some fun in their lives like they had at Neverland.
3. Now get this. I've been thinking a lot about this lately. I don't think it is that hard to hide one's self in plain sight, so MJ may be living at Encino, Las Vegas and Neverland. He is the master of disguises, and I think he turned the corner from just wearing hats and mustaches to hide who he was in public. That is one huge reason why he made the movie Ghosts. He wanted to actually feel what it was like to change into a completely new person, whether man or woman. Some think he was the blonde woman at the Memorial. I think he was Hat Man.
When Marlon made the reference concerning MJ and how he would always be able to spot him if in disguise, notice he mentioned years ago. He and the rest of the family know that MJ didn't disguise himself like that any longer. He went all out. He could grow taller (like in Dave-Dave). He could play a fat white man (like in Ghosts). And like some people think, he could even play a lady. So I think by Marlon making that comment was an inside joke.
Another thing that the family is doing is talking about "interventions", and whether or not they did any or should have done more. Why? I think the reason they are speaking out about it, after being asked of course, is because they have him captured now sort of speak. If he had a prescription pill problem, then finally they put their collective feet down and talked him into getting some help. If they are getting him some help now, then I sincerely believe that he spends most of his time at Encino, and when he goes out, he is either in full body and face disguise or they are trying to hide him like in the TMZ video where they are using a blanket of some kind hiding the children? What is that all about?
Plus, MJ did have Lupus, and his mother most likely talked him into moving back home concerning it too.
It may be about the fact that Encino is huge. MJ lived there until 29, and then he moved to Neverland. He loved it there, felt safe there and so on or he wouldn't have stayed there until almost thirty.
I think Joe Jackson and his mother finally did convince him to get away from all of those vultures and hangers on. I think Joe Jackson did finally get to MJ; although he is saying that he tried to get in the house but the security didn't let him. I think the family is bringing such things like that up because at one time it was like that, but finally they convinced Mike to reassess who he was dealing with as it pertained to whom he trusted with his finances, his well being and his children's well being and future.
Now as it stands, and with his being able to stay at his and his mother's house in Encino, only the children need bodyguards now. Of course though, if he ventures out with them, his body is being guarded also. His new managers will be his father again and his nephews. MJ knows his parents are getting older and he wanted to spend more time with them and to let his children spend more time with them and learn and grow from being around their relatives. MJ is content now probably, and may be living in the guest house or his old room there. I don’t think he lived there at first. I think he was overseas. Maybe he was in Germany.
MJ's family will not let him be controlled by anyone ever again. They got his back now forever. They will carry him and protect him. He also knew that it was the J-5 40th anniversary this year and he wanted his family to get their due. He knows that he couldn't have risen as high as he did without them, Berry Gordy and Quincy Jones, for the most part. He realized again that he was loved by them all and with them, he felt safe. He may have been a little surprised at how well he fit back in with his family. He knows and understands now more than ever that he needed to let some bygones be bygones and trust and love his family again. Blood is thicker than water and everything. And nothing and no one is perfect. We’re all only human.
4. I also believe that if MJ felt someone was trying to kill him, he needed to take action. Is there a safer place than "there's no place like home?" Because no one would know where he was headquartered and living, it became and is "a place with no name." The video of his brothers two days after 6-25-09 in the SUV with what some people believe was MJ in the back could definitely be true. If he is living at home, why would that be so hard to fathom? Marlon was wearing a FBI hat, and just the other day, he stated on TV that he is working for the government. Someone posted an article from February about his involvement in something in Africa, but I think for him to reiterate it now but not give up any info about it keeps it suspicious looking and is something to keep in mind. The brothers seemed too happy that day, what with their brother supposedly having just passed two days before. And they didn't want anyone gawking in the back seat. Something was up with that. They forgot to "hide every trace of gladness."
The entire family is just glad that he decided to kill several vultures with one stone sort of speak and go back home where he can clear his thoughts, and if on pills, wean himself off of them, and basically just be around so many family members that love him. Surely, they all know that money can't buy true happiness or love.
He’s travelled all over the world, so he has been there and done that. That doesn’t excite him anymore, and he hates to tour, so he is enjoying some down and out of sight time. He is enjoying watching his children enjoy.
5. The movie theory. I also believe very strongly that all of these things ties together. Throughout it all MJ was working on a movie, This Is It. There are a lot of messages within the movie. He truly was also working on all kinds of things. We know that if his name is to be attached to anything, he would want it to be classy and right.
Plus, he is finished with touring and writing music per se. He wants to direct and produce movies. That is his future and contribution to the arts.
6. So what's out right now in MJ's image and name?
A. music & catalogs - plus, a lot of unreleased material (some dating back decades)
B. movie
C. books - Opus
D. video game
E. potential musical
F. doll
G. comic book
H. cologne
I. paintings (ones he painted, 1984 Warhol portrait and his art collection) - http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions ... l-jackson/ (http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/2009/michael-jackson/)
J. children
K. biopic being planned
L. instrumental album (classical) http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/enterta ... tal_a.html (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/classicalmusic/2009/07/more_details_on_instrumental_a.html)
M. maybe Jordan Chandler's admission of lying
N. media’s hatchet jobs against him revealed -
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/93 ... own-death/ (http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/9352/michael-jackson-faked-his-own-death/)
7. Making money from this hoax is a byproduct of his having to do it. I think MJ hoaxed his death for a lot of reasons. I think he watched the “Dancing with the Stars” finale with his mother and children at his Encino home. He is freer now than he’s ever been before, even though he’s supposedly died. He is working on new projects and is teaching his children. He may travel to another safe and secret house from time to time. He may be receiving some kind of health treatments for his Lupus. Whatever he’s doing and for whatever reasons, he deserves it, because for over thirty years, in some ways, he lived like a virtual prisoner in his own home and skin, and the press has ridiculed and persecuted him unmercifully.
For some reason, I believe he is breathing and enjoying himself, and is taking care of any health related issues.
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EXCELLENT!!!
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Thanks so much for this post. Even after something comes put that makes people take a second look and insist that he has indeed died, I often wonder if they just take a mental recap and then that sure cure that thought. I can't speak for anyone but myself but when I see or hear things that may make me rethink I am instantly reminded of all the weird and strange facts of the case. That is more than enough for me really. I hope this post brings some relief to those in doubt!
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Thanks Souza, I needed to read it.
Thanks Souza...you are absolutely right with what you are saying! I am a total believer in the hoax and nothing will change my mind. I know MJ is alive and nobody will convince me otherwise.
I do however want to make a comment. I was reading Rabbi Schmuley's book (online of course bacause I would NEVER support anything that Schmuley does....). In the very beginning of the book/tapes, Michael goes in to great detail about wanting to disappear.
Yes, but why announcing concerts and creating such a commotion when he was already "half hidden" before the concert announcements? I mean I hadn't heard much of him before the announcements. That's what I don't understand, and it makes me think there's more behind his supposed death than wanting to disappear...
I always thought that Michael did this for bigger purposes than disappering. Because if he needed to disappear he would have done this long time ago. During the trials maybe but earlier. He wasn't in the spotlight that much lately so why would he need to disappear? No, it doesn't make sense. AND also we shouldn't forget the RESURRECTION clues he gave us in TII! Do I need to write all of them one by one? I'm sure that you all remember them already. He NEVER quit and ran away from media. He stoped and had his fight with them! To run away is not for Michael. He's a FIGHTER! And I never believe that he did this to be invisible. And I'm sure that it's too hard for him to hide all the time. Does he go out in disguise always? And how hard it is for him not to go out with his kids and family like the way he wants to. How long can he stand this? I'm pretty sure that HE WILL COME BACK and WE WILL BE THERE FOR HIM ALWAYS! :D
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I felt the urge to post this, after reading this post: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1200
It seems that some members are having so much doubt about Mike being alive, that as soon as someone tells something that sounds plausible about Mike being dead. I myself, after more then 5 months of research, will never believe he died on June 25th of this year. I am convinced he is alive and not even an autopsy picture wouldn't change that. Why? Because in those 5 months there has been no proof of him being dead, and hundreds, maybe even thousands of clues that he is still alive. Let me give you a summary of the events to cheer you up:
June 25:
Mike 'dies'. The inconsistencies in the story already start on this day. I remember I heard on the news that he had been taken to the hospital and that he was in a coma. TMZ reports his death at 2:20 PT, while he wasn't pronounced dead by the doctors at UCLA before 2:26 PT. Later we hear that he was dead on arrival, and even that he should have been dead hours before the EMT's arrived. Some stories say that Prince was in the room, sometimes he was not. Stories saying he collapsed in the living room with Murray present, stories he was on Murray's bed/his own bed and Murray in the bathroom. He died of an overdose Demerol, later it was Propofol. Now what is it? Also remember the clearly fake ambulance picture and the stupid moron who made a picture of the famous photographer, instead of running his ass off to the ambulance and try to make that shot himself.
There hasn't been a doctor that wanted to sign the death certificate. If he died in the house, why didn't sign Murray, and if he was in a coma first at UCLA, why didn't sign a doctor from UCLA the DC? Because there is no DC. The 3 or 4 versions we have seen are fake, because his name is not Michael Joseph Jackson anymore. Either it was never his real name, or he changed it before the 2005 trial, but the name is not right, means the DC is a fake.
LAPD:
The LADP allows the family in the house fisrt, before they search it. Well, enough said, I really hope nobody will buy that story. Also there are only 3 investigators on the case. We had a case of a murdered girl here in Holland a few years ago, there were 50!! investigators on the case. 3 is ridicilous...
The Autopsy:
No autopsy pictures were released. I can tell you that that picture would have been worth a LOT more than the ambulance picture. There will always be someone greedy enough at the coroner's office to make the picture and sell it. Nobody did. Why? Because there was no body guys. That also convinced me of the fact that he didn't hoax his death to never return again. If he really wanted us to believe he is dead, we would have seen an autopsy picture or at least an open casket picture (and not the mirrored James Brown one I mean ;) )
Mo and I also e-mailed Craig Harvey from the Coroner's office. I don't know if you will still have doubts after this recap, but in that case I advice you to e-mail the guy, your doubts will vanish into thin air if you ask the right questions and read between the lines, although I am not sure he still replies the 'Hoaxies' :lol: . They say they removed his brain for examination and delivered it back to the family. If they really found Mike in bed with IV's pumped full of drugs, they would have assumed that that was be the cause of the cardiac arrest, not a neurological problem.
Removing an entire brain is not common, they only do that if it's hard to find a case of death and think it's neurological. In that case they will slice the brain, which makes it impossible to return it to the family. Drugs can be found in hair or nails, and IF they needed a brain sample, they could have done a biopsy, no need to get the brain out.
The memorial:
Started late, no tears, old pictures, "I'm alive and I'm here forever", no open casket, Barnum Circus in town and you may agree or disagree, but I think Mike was there himself, dressed as the blondie.
The funeral:
Staged, probably shot at culver, again no open casket, people looked bored, started late too, and again Mike on TV at Larry King Live as Dave Dave.
And there is so much more. Read the forum, read the hoax blogs, read articles. After reading all of this, it's impossible IMO to still think he's dead. Mike is trying to teach us. By 'cracking his code' he wants us to learn to think for ourselves and not take everything the media or the government says for truth. He is showing us so much, but only few people are seeing it. Read more, think more, post more and don't say "OMG HE'S DEAD" whenever some ass tells you a BS story from some anonymous source that he is dead, because he is not.
Check into the chat once in a while to participate in the conversations or ask other members questions if you don't understand something. Don't let people fool you. Do you really think Mike hoaxed his death and would not make some people think he is dead? Confusion confusion folks. Only those that read between the lines and think for themselves, will know he's alive. If you believe anything someone tells you, you still didn't get his point.
Cheer up people and go read some stuff!
Thanks a lot. We all needed this reassurance :)
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That also convinced me of the fact that he didn't hoax his death to never return again. If he really wanted us to believe he is dead, we would have seen an autopsy picture or at least an open casket picture (and not the mirrored James Brown one I mean ;) )
Thanks Souza, your thought is very interesting... I always had the feeling that Michael would stay 'dead' to the world, but this really changed my mind... Never thought about it like that!
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That also convinced me of the fact that he didn't hoax his death to never return again. If he really wanted us to believe he is dead, we would have seen an autopsy picture or at least an open casket picture (and not the mirrored James Brown one I mean ;) )
You are so right, this completely (re-)confinced me!!!
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Souza you said something here that just made me think AGAIN (as if I haven't been doing that enough). You stated that Dave Dave was at LKL the night of the funeral and I remembered watching him. Now here is where I start to question things. If DD was at LKL doing an interview at the start of the funeral, how is it possible that he was at the funeral. He couldn't possibly be 2 places at the same time unless one of them wasn't the real DD!!!!
What do you think?
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2 places at the same time
Thats Threatened!!!!!! :o
thats the clue
and don't forget never neverland that's the place 8-)
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:D all i can say is i am glad that mj is with his family and i am glad that i am with my family here :lol:
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Thanks Souza .... it hits on the mind if such negative things ... I would not be here every day hours if I accepted MJ is dead.
But because I am no seer, I can say only one (honestly) I want to know the truth may quite all the same like this appearance.
I owe you to all
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It's SO-0-0 good having the skilled/knowledgable people doing these occasional recaps. Thank you! Just wanted to add to the blond lady possibility that someone mentioned way back that everyone including especially the kids kept looking up, and it could have been Michael behind a camera high up in the stadium (just like the picture of him behind the camera and Ortega behind him.) I thought it was interesting that you said that MJ could also appear taller in his disguises, how? Stilts? We still don't know for sure about Dr. Murray if real or disguise. Sure is tall almost 7 ft., doesn't move much so stilts might be manageable
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Thanks.
I would like to see him come back soon..only to tell the people who think i am a nut..i told you so.
But i know he needs his time!
That is why i dont understand people who are firm in there believe he wont come back..Than why all this..what is the point? If he wants to leave for ever..why let people keep looking for clues and the why for all this..risking there is one or more clever enough ,and wil find you?
My eyes were already open..if it comes to Media or Covernement..I told my story here in (conspirasy's.did i write that correct?)
But i learned so much more after june 25.
My question is not,is he alive(i am sure he is)..but why..wat happened!
Greetings Mattie
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thanks souza great post but it is getting worrying about how depressed people sound i am worrying for them
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I just want to say THANK YOU SOUZA and Thank you to all the other believers !!!
I love you all.
Keep the faith... I'm sure he's alive somewhere waiting for us to find out the truth and then he'll come back.
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Thank you SOUZA for this long recap. I haven't changed my thoughts about MJ being alive. Whatever feeds would come in, it's nothing new and they just change the perspective of the old news feeds to have something going on.
But really, this thing is lagging on for how many months now and how much longer will it lag on. Thanks everybody, for being around. All of your ideas and your comments have been keeping me on my feet.
And SOUZA, thanks for this Forum and for keeping us together.
Again, thanks. ;) ;)
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Yeap I agree, there is no proof he is dead.
but I have a question, what about the people there in LA who were selling Michael's autopsy picture in 1million dollars ?
are they crazy ? was it a lie ? a very famous tv host here in my country went there and he saw that people offering the picture and he said everything was crazy there, everything was about Michael, and I trust this man, I do.
If you trust this man and think that that story is real, then why are you still here? You are here because you have doubts about this story. Do you think someone would buy that pic for 1 million dollar and just put it in his drawer? I don't think so! I am not buying this story at all. If somebody has bought that picture, it would be all over the net, accompanied by a lot of Google ads. This is exactly what I mean, THINK before you conclude...
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Thank you Sousa. Very well written. I agree! It seems for a total lack of evidence
being given or proven, that efforts have been made..and remade...and remade :!: to
make us believe something other than the truth.
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Another brilliant post, Souza. Thank you!
You're right, this whole set of events is just too convincing for me, and someone telling that they know "the REAL truth" is not. ;)
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If you trust this man and think that that story is real, then why are you still here? You are here because you have doubts about this story. Do you think someone would buy that pic for 1 million dollar and just put it in his drawer? I don't think so! I am not buying this story at all. If somebody has bought that picture, it would be all over the net, accompanied by a lot of Google ads. This is exactly what I mean, THINK before you conclude...
WOWIE! Very well said post Souza! :)
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Dear Souza and dear beLIEvers, thank you very much for your posts! It made me think and re-think several things once again, and i'm glad i did! I guess it's just necessary to do it once in a while, go back and re-sum everything up! Confusion doesn't help at all, but such clear and clever posts sure do!
I would also like to ask you a question on a part of your post, regarding autopsy
The Autopsy]
Mo and I also e-mailed Craig Harvey from the Coroner's office. I don't know if you will still have doubts after this recap, but in that case I advice you to e-mail the guy, your doubts will vanish into thin air if you ask the right questions and read between the lines, although I am not sure he still replies the 'Hoaxies'
Is there a chance you posted about that before, is there a way to see what Chief Coroner replied to you? That would be awesome!
Thanks again!!
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Thank you so much Souza!
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Really great points, Souza.
I can understand why some members are losing faith. It's been almost six months since Michael "died" and some people think he should have returned by now. They keep believing that MJ will return on this or that award show and since he doesn't, they feel defrauded. Then MJHD, which is probably the biggest hoax site on the internet, shuts down and a lot of members feel discouraged. And lately seems like there isn't much to talk about. But really, there is no reason to stop believing in the hoax and getting all sad and depressed. The key word here is PATIENCE. Honestly, I feel like I already have enough evidence to believe Michael is alive, so I don't feel the urge to keep obsessively looking for more clues. Sure I'll keep investigating, but I'm more of a Wait and See kind of "Hoxie". :lol:
Now I've said it before and I'll say it again: I believe Michael is going to come back. Many things point to that and seriously, why would Michael send all these clues if he wanted the entire world to believe he was dead? He could have done a much better job at hoaxing his death if he really wanted to escape and live a normal life. I have to point one thing about this, though - I've read an article somewhere that claims Michael didn't want to be "normal", and it made me wonder... Just think about it: Michael never lived a normal life. He doesn't know what a normal life is. Would he want to turn his entire life around, leave all his accomplishments behind, his HIStory, really - to live a life so different from what he's used to? Would he really want to hide forever and have to spend the rest of his life wearing disguises? Not being able to step a stage ever again, the only place in the world where he said he felt comfortable on? Wouldn't he want credit for pulling off the greatest hoax in History? Besides, being normal is boring! :lol: And to be honest, why would he go through so much trouble to fake his death just to disappear, if he was already living away from the spotlight for many years now? Seems a bit too extreme, IMO. (Money and/or safety issues could be the reason, but I don't really believe he was broke and/or in danger).
Obviously, these are just my assumptions. I don't know Michael in person, but from what I've learned about him these last years, I believe he is a fighter, not a quitter. Really, Michael must be one of the strongest and bravest men I've ever known. He's been through hell and he never gave up, when I'm sure many of us would have (I know I would have gone insane if I was in his shoes). He's innovative and creative, and a risk taker. If there's someone who can pull this hoax off, that person is Michael Jackson.
And I have to totally agree with your words here:
And I am not here to find him. Even if I would find out where he is (not very likely though) I would not tell someone or try to find him. His location is of no importance. The fact that he leaves all these 'clues' is because he wants us to open our eyes to certain things. Stop living on the automatic pilot and think for ourselves again. Read stuff before judging someone or something. It's not a roadmap to his location, it's a roadmap to your own brain, your own intellect.
He has planned this for his reasons and he needs the time to do the things that need to be done. If that means he comes back next year, fine. If it means he needs another 5 years, also fine. Remember he must have some balls to pull this off and he doesn't owe his fans anything, they have had him long enough already. This is his project and he decides if and when he returns. Because of the point in my post I am pretty sure he will be back one day.
We need to give him time. I'm not really anticipating a date for his comeback or trying to find out where he is, I just want to understand why he faked his death and most importantly, find out if he's safe and happy. That's all I ever wanted - for him to be happy. IMO it's still soon to give up. Michael may have had many reasons to fake his death and it might take a while for him to be prepared for a comeback. Who knows, maybe he is enjoying a quick break to reestablish his forces / treat his health problems before he gets his cute little ass back to work. ;)
Thanks for posting this and another big thank you to you and Mo for creating this wonderful site. :)
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And to be honest, why would he go trough so much trouble to fake his death just to disappear, if he was already living away from the spotlight for many years now?
We need to give him time. I'm not really anticipating a date for his comeback or trying to find out where he is, I just want to understand why he faked his death and most importantly, find out if he's safe and happy. That's all I ever wanted - for him to be happy. IMO it's still soon to give up. Michael may have had many reasons to fake his death and it might take a while for him to be prepared for a comeback. Who knows, maybe he is enjoying a quick break to reestablish his forces / treat his health problems before he gets his cute little ass back to work. ;)
My point exactly! He has lived so long away from the spotlights! I do believe he might come back, but right now he needs his time! And I am more than willing to give him that, he has given us so much over all those years, that's the least I can do for him! Just keep the faith and be patient (I know its hard!!!)!
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And to be honest, why would he go trough so much trouble to fake his death just to disappear, if he was already living away from the spotlight for many years now?
We need to give him time. I'm not really anticipating a date for his comeback or trying to find out where he is, I just want to understand why he faked his death and most importantly, find out if he's safe and happy. That's all I ever wanted - for him to be happy. IMO it's still soon to give up. Michael may have had many reasons to fake his death and it might take a while for him to be prepared for a comeback. Who knows, maybe he is enjoying a quick break to reestablish his forces / treat his health problems before he gets his cute little ass back to work. ;)
My point exactly! He has lived so long away from the spotlights! I do believe he might come back, but right now he needs his time! And I am more than willing to give him that, he has given us so much over all those years, that's the least I can do for him! Just keep the faith and be patient (I know its hard!!!)!
I agree, and I also think that Michael can't live without the stage I mean that is one of the places where he most wants to be the stage is his home.
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Yes, I think so too. He hates to tour though...
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Hi Souza and everyone, I really need someone's insight now! I read the posts made on 'the fake search warants' topic and there was someone who had this opinion. He/she said that MJ might have comitted suicide, with Dr Murray helping him. That that was the reason why they waited so long to call 911 because they wanted to make sure no one would be able to revive him.
I think this theory (and maybe the murder one as well) might be able to explain some of the inconsistancies, but not all. Like his family being happy etc. Unless they really didn't know.. But still even if they think he "died normal" they should be sad!
Someone said he would not have done it because of his kids, but the argument is that depression can make you think that the world will be better of without you. Which is true, but it is his kids??
I feel so sick right now!
Please someone, proof!?!
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i believe mj is ALIVE,
but all reminds me of the
TRUMAN SHOW :idea:
this guy also one day opened the right door to escape being watched all the time
PEOPLE were happy when he did that
i personally would not have been able to live in such a fishbowl like mj did for so many years :!:
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Hi Souza and everyone, I really need someone's insight now! I read the posts made on 'the fake search warants' topic and there was someone who had this opinion. He/she said that MJ might have comitted suicide, with Dr Murray helping him. That that was the reason why they waited so long to call 911 because they wanted to make sure no one would be able to revive him.
I think this theory (and maybe the murder one as well) might be able to explain some of the inconsistancies, but not all. Like his family being happy etc. Unless they really didn't know.. But still even if they think he "died normal" they should be sad!
Someone said he would not have done it because of his kids, but the argument is that depression can make you think that the world will be better of without you. Which is true, but it is his kids??
No, there is no way Michael would kill himself, IMO. Michael loved life, and his children. He said he wanted to live forever. He might have been depressed at some point in his life, but suicidal? I don't think so. Besides, would a dead Michael be sending clues? ;)
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I like your name, real funny! I know there has been many clues, but what clues do you think has he been sending post "death"?
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I like your name, real funny! I know there has been many clues, but what clues do you think has he been sending post "death"?
LOL, thanks! ...Well, for example:
- "I'm alive and I'm here forever" at the memorial. Kinda weird choice of words if he really is dead, don't you think?
- "Let me breath in my own time and I'll come back here. I'll unbutton my shirt or jacket, look around a little bit, play with the public maybe, slap my fingers... and then... BAM!" in the end of This Is It. This makes me think that he will return, but you never know...
- Also, in the end of This Is It, Michael is seen doing sign language that PianoGames claims it means "With all my heart, there is more. I will show myself to you all."
- The Murray video. While I'm not completely sure that that was a message from Michael, I don't think it makes much sense if that was a real message from Murray, either.
Sorry, I can't remember any more at the moment, but if you take a look at the forum, I'm sure you'll find more clues. People have found really amazing things here!
Also, I'd like to give a little advice to all the people who are losing faith: print the Weird List and read it when you're feeling down. It helps a lot, trust me. ;)
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Michael is alive. I pray that he is okay and knows without a doubt that he is LOVED.
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Michael is alive. I pray that he is okay and knows without a doubt that he is LOVED.
I'm sure that Michael is watching us and he knows how much we love him.
God bless you, Michael ;)
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Thank you, I needed this for what happened today.
xoxo.
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i just saw the thriller tonight the show..i must confess i missed him so much i felt so empty..please tell me he is alive... :|
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So many great things pointed out by various people, things that I had already had my doubts about and also things I hadn't even thought of! The reason Prince and Paris were FINALLY pictured without masks while out and about with their father not long before he "died" made me wonder if either Prince had asked to be allowed not to as he was of an age where he felt silly to be wearing them and felt he was old enough to handle the recognition; or if MJ himself realised as Prince and the other kids were getting older that he couldn't shield them from the world forever, that sooner or later they had to be seen and had to be recognised. They couldn't live that way indefinitely so he allowed them to be pictured so they could experience being their own people not just "the hidden". Also it would mean no-one would question if they were his children or actors after the hoax was set in motion. He would have hated his kids to be used as media fodder so all the pics in the press of them doing various activities since his death would have infuriated him, his family would know that. As would Joe saying he was going to get them into showbusiness, MJ would have been very against it, unless that's all part of the script.
I lean towards the theory that he's trying to teach us all a lesson and that is how willingly we believe what we're told by those in charge and how the media and State control our beliefs and our perceptions, how we've lost the will to think for ourselves and question when things don't make sense. What better way to do it than this grand hoax? No-one would trust the press the same way ever again. And they'd all realise they were behaving like mindless sheep. The celebrity culture had exploded way beyond the boundaries of common sense and I think he wanted to wake us all up.
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I'm glad I found this topic because I didn't want to have to make a new one. It's REALLY getting me annoyed to see all those tweets of hate directed at Teddy Riley because he said he thinks MJ is alive. I mean, these people don't know why he thinks this yet they just ignorantly blast the man and call him names. What is wrong with people! Don't judge! The sooner MJ is back the better - it's all for L.O.V.E. people!!!!
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SOUZA STRIKES AGAIN!!!
/bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/
after this, i'm never gonna lose faith. it's time we all think for ourselves and not believe in BS.
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Another thing I would like to add to this. Marlon's little trip down memory lane at the memorial. Of all the things to remember about MJ, he tells the story of how he was dressed like an old man and he could tell it was Michael by his shoes. It was a clue, at least IMO it was a clue.
The thing I am having trouble wrapping my mind around is all that would have to be going along with this. The D.A., law enforcement, the coroners office, the hospital, etc.
I remember at the time, the family (I think?) was even asking people for donations towards the public memorial. The city of Los Angeles? Would they be asking for money if it were a hoax?
I am still a believer, but I am having a hard time with these things. Could somebody help me around this?
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/bravo/ I have not been here a lot since moving, but I still believe MJ is alive. Thanks Souza for giving those a "jolt"...
I am staying till the return, nothing can keep me away.......
michael-jackson/smoothcriminal
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Thanx Souza for reminding us. I´m a believer and i´ll keep the faith no matter what! :)
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Hi all, first I want to tell you I'm a big sceptic and pessimist normally [though sceptic
part likes to question everything, pessimist always wins], and in 2009 I "buried" Michael
like the rest of the world, combined with bad bad events in my own life it was no doubt we're
all going to hell and no way there will be survivors :cry:.. grief was enormous.
I was MAD at family and everyone who delayed Michael's funeral, I was MAD
at how circus-like and staged it all looked, "They have no respect!!"
"Look at that Hollywood crowd, they can't get serious even now!"
In 2010 I became furious that trial is forever delayed, I gave in and studied what I could
and became more mad as everything was so FAKE - papers/documents, doctor,
everything. Like poorly made cover-up, like setting of Desperate Housewives or something.
"They get away with planned murder!" I thought. "Criminals all around him!"
But .. don't know how, suddenly doubt arrived. It's just too messed up and fake.
It's staged too much. Strange. Scripted. People contradicting too much. And I know for sure
news/media is about LIES, so we have to look for Truth elsewhere. Don't trust media.
In the place where everyone is actor {diploma or not, acting is like a state of mind},
when I still have to see at least 1 "official" document that won't have mistakes and oddities
in it, when everyone involved can't repeat the story twice without adding/removing
details, when even Elvis shadow is everpresent {can't believe i did research on his death,
I always laughed at ones questioning his death! /white flag/}, when person like Michael is the
central figure {playful rich genius we still know nothing about, he most likely
put hidden meanings and hints in everything he made, and God do I hope he had
real friends who adored him as much as we do and who would do anything to
help and protect him!}
.. why not? When the whole world says "No", he could say "Yes", especially if there was serious reason to escape.
Let's wait and see what happens next. Too early to say no.
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Hey@ my Dear Family!
I am SOO Glad to see How Many NEW Voices join our horus- Welcome beautyful newbies and thank you sooo much for all your refreshing and heartfelt insights - IT IS plain sign, that despite some peoples losing faith over CM/MJ trial - Many and Many get THAT difficult, slammed, slandering time as a MIND OPENNING KEY!
I applaud MJ brilliance for mastermind peoples heart and emotions - pure Genius!@
And on same line I admire our dear Souza 4 her unmistakable eagle eye in our place and unconditional deducation for MJ and all of us - U are clearly MEANT TO BE the ADMIN for THAT forum and are ROCK!
I am greatful beyond my words to have myself on your side guys, ur sencire and deep observation give me real strenght on my everyday life in its not very easy point now.
Stay Blessed everyone of you - God IS Good and we wl landed safely in this journey with Mike by our side.! That plane is just take of @@@ - so give it time for SAFE FLIGHT- TRUST & BELIVE WTH GREAT KNOWLEGE BY UR SIDE
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Souza you said something here that just made me think AGAIN (as if I haven't been doing that enough). You stated that Dave Dave was at LKL the night of the funeral and I remembered watching him. Now here is where I start to question things. If DD was at LKL doing an interview at the start of the funeral, how is it possible that he was at the funeral. He couldn't possibly be 2 places at the same time unless one of them wasn't the real DD!!!!
What do you think?
The first doubts that I had in my mind that MJ was dead was because of DD on LKL. I have no doubt in my mind that DD was Michael on LKL. Saying that, I think they prerecorded some of that show because Miko was also there and he was at the funeral too, I believe.
Nothing, absolutely nothing will convince me that Michael is not with us in the flesh anymore.
This is not a comeback - it's a TAKEOVER. It's not in our timing, it's in his. Sit back and be thankful for Michael allowing us to come along on his journey to educate and change the world. Think about how incredibly well adjusted and intelligent MJ's children and all of the children are who have been privileged to be mentored by him.
Off Topic: Kobe Bryant is one of them, by the way.
Anyway, we have been granted the privilege of being mentored by Michael in the school of life. Take notes because the lessons have been many.
Hugs and blessings to each of you bearhug
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Ah@ BROWNEYEDGIRL!!
God Bless you for such wise and content message at the beginning of this thread about Mike and his wonderful family coping at this time - U MADE MY DAY!!@
Welcome and please share more of your insights @@
xx
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Hi all, first I want to tell you I'm a big sceptic and pessimist normally [though sceptic
part likes to question everything, pessimist always wins], and in 2009 I "buried" Michael
like the rest of the world, combined with bad bad events in my own life it was no doubt we're
all going to hell and no way there will be survivors :cry: .. grief was enormous.
I was MAD at family and everyone who delayed Michael's funeral, I was MAD
at how circus-like and staged it all looked, "They have no respect!!"
"Look at that Hollywood crowd, they can't get serious even now!"
In 2010 I became furious that trial is forever delayed, I gave in and studied what I could
and became more mad as everything was so FAKE - papers/documents, doctor,
everything. Like poorly made cover-up, like setting of Desperate Housewives or something.
"They get away with planned murder!" I thought. "Criminals all around him!"
But .. don't know how, suddenly doubt arrived. It's just too messed up and fake.
It's staged too much. Strange. Scripted. People contradicting too much. And I know for sure
news/media is about LIES, so we have to look for Truth elsewhere. Don't trust media.
In the place where everyone is actor {diploma or not, acting is like a state of mind},
when I still have to see at least 1 "official" document that won't have mistakes and oddities
in it, when everyone involved can't repeat the story twice without adding/removing
details, when even Elvis shadow is everpresent {can't believe i did research on his death,
I always laughed at ones questioning his death! /white flag/ }, when person like Michael is the
central figure {playful rich genius we still know nothing about, he most likely
put hidden meanings and hints in everything he made, and God do I hope he had
real friends who adored him as much as we do and who would do anything to
help and protect him!}
.. why not? When the whole world says "No", he could say "Yes", especially if there was serious reason to escape.
Let's wait and see what happens next. Too early to say no.
I really enjoyed your post! It tells me that probably many on the non-believer side are at the back of their minds knowing that all the mistakes and inconsistencies can't just be explained by his enemies putting them in. Another thing you said about hoping he had real friends who adored him as much as us. That was something that convinced me he's alive a long time ago. I thought no way that EVERY single person around him wanted only his money and to connive for his downfall. Testimonies of anyone who worked with or knew him were drawn to love and adore him, with few exceptions. Those who knew him only through the media's negative slant were the ones to revile him. Not only is he Invincible, but he's IRRESISTABLE!! :D
I always think it's great when people dig up old threads that have good posts that get lost, and we can see how hoax things have come full circle.
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As browneyedgirl stated at the start of this thread - Michael is living with/near family. I have always believed that. I feel Michael never would have left his children for years and has always been close by (if not with) them. I think he is often at Neverland also - hiding in plain sight.
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We can't give up on MJ now! Thats like getting pumped for war and supporting and blieving in you general, but as soon you get on the battlefield you chicken out and run!
Have more faith.
Love you guys!
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Thank you, Souza.
Actually, the trial is making me believe in the hoax even more.
What dead celebrity's body was shown in the courtroom? This has never happened before. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Why is Arnie Klein's testimony not admitted?
I don't know why his death was hoaxed, but it definitely was.
And his family is a royal showbiz family. They are consummate performers, every last single one of them.
I don't know if MJ will reveal himself. Maybe in a way we can't understand or guess now.
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I was just reading through this whole topic and first, I want to say:
Thank you, Souza. So much. Even if these posts are from 2009, not the present day, they cover the same issues, even if we are further along in the journey.
And second:
The post below is the single most AMAZING I have ever seen!
Browneyedgirl -- you have covered things I always felt, especially recently, so beautifully that you opened my eyes to ideas and reasons for the hoax and perhaps ideas as to what Michael's current location could be.
Back home -- hiding in plain sight, surrounding himself with peace and love to heal him of any pain he may be suffering from...
So this is why I always felt 'he feels no pain now', but NEVER agreed with 'dead' as 'where he is now'.
I feel his safety. I don't care to know where he is, I care about HOW he is.
I wish I could know how he's feeling, if he is happy.
After a near-decade (9 years) of Michael feeling so connected to my soul, and even spending a few years living only one hour away from him when he was still at Neverland,
I feel like I can sense if he's in pain or not.
I felt he was during the trial, but I sensed his calmness and certainty he'd walk off a free, innocent man.
Since 6/25 I felt he was and has been at peace.
Not because he was 'dead', but because... well, we know why, right?
We have a good idea, at least...
Again, you people are beautiful, please keep this thread alive with your thoughts.... <33
Great, great, great work Souza. Thanks. It bothers me when people shriek out that maybe he is dead or that they're losing help, ET. Al. I personally am not looking to finally discover that MJ died. I believe like you that he is alive, and I'll always believe it.
I don't know how to explain it all, but for me these things stick out.
1. The messages and pictures shown at the Memorial upon reflection didn't scream finality. I chocked it up to my just feeling let down and disappointed that someone so giving and loving had to leave us so soon.
Something just didn't seem right. And then when Berry Gordy remarked that MJ made some questionable decisions, now in retrospect, I think he was speaking about this hoax for the most part.
Jermaine's singing the wrong words in "Smile" was very telling, and if not for the message being sent, one could have thought that he didn't know the correct words to the song. But we know he does.
2. Michael's children are very important to him. We don't know all of his reasons for doing what he did, but I think he wanted his children to be able to venture out into the real world. He wanted them to be able to cope as adults with the real world; although he knows that they will probably need bodyguards for the rest of their lives. He wanted them to have some freedom. He wanted people to see his creations and learn their faces.
The way he raised Prince and Paris reminds me of John-John and Caroline Kennedy. He admired their mother very much, and she edited his biography. He wants them to be giving and loving persons like he is, and he wants them to be cultured and learned. But most of all, he wants them to have some fun in their lives like they had at Neverland.
3. Now get this. I've been thinking a lot about this lately. I don't think it is that hard to hide one's self in plain sight, so MJ may be living at Encino, Las Vegas and Neverland. He is the master of disguises, and I think he turned the corner from just wearing hats and mustaches to hide who he was in public. That is one huge reason why he made the movie Ghosts. He wanted to actually feel what it was like to change into a completely new person, whether man or woman. Some think he was the blonde woman at the Memorial. I think he was Hat Man.
When Marlon made the reference concerning MJ and how he would always be able to spot him if in disguise, notice he mentioned years ago. He and the rest of the family know that MJ didn't disguise himself like that any longer. He went all out. He could grow taller (like in Dave-Dave). He could play a fat white man (like in Ghosts). And like some people think, he could even play a lady. So I think by Marlon making that comment was an inside joke.
Another thing that the family is doing is talking about "interventions", and whether or not they did any or should have done more. Why? I think the reason they are speaking out about it, after being asked of course, is because they have him captured now sort of speak. If he had a prescription pill problem, then finally they put their collective feet down and talked him into getting some help. If they are getting him some help now, then I sincerely believe that he spends most of his time at Encino, and when he goes out, he is either in full body and face disguise or they are trying to hide him like in the TMZ video where they are using a blanket of some kind hiding the children? What is that all about?
Plus, MJ did have Lupus, and his mother most likely talked him into moving back home concerning it too.
It may be about the fact that Encino is huge. MJ lived there until 29, and then he moved to Neverland. He loved it there, felt safe there and so on or he wouldn't have stayed there until almost thirty.
I think Joe Jackson and his mother finally did convince him to get away from all of those vultures and hangers on. I think Joe Jackson did finally get to MJ; although he is saying that he tried to get in the house but the security didn't let him. I think the family is bringing such things like that up because at one time it was like that, but finally they convinced Mike to reassess who he was dealing with as it pertained to whom he trusted with his finances, his well being and his children's well being and future.
Now as it stands, and with his being able to stay at his and his mother's house in Encino, only the children need bodyguards now. Of course though, if he ventures out with them, his body is being guarded also. His new managers will be his father again and his nephews. MJ knows his parents are getting older and he wanted to spend more time with them and to let his children spend more time with them and learn and grow from being around their relatives. MJ is content now probably, and may be living in the guest house or his old room there. I don’t think he lived there at first. I think he was overseas. Maybe he was in Germany.
MJ's family will not let him be controlled by anyone ever again. They got his back now forever. They will carry him and protect him. He also knew that it was the J-5 40th anniversary this year and he wanted his family to get their due. He knows that he couldn't have risen as high as he did without them, Berry Gordy and Quincy Jones, for the most part. He realized again that he was loved by them all and with them, he felt safe. He may have been a little surprised at how well he fit back in with his family. He knows and understands now more than ever that he needed to let some bygones be bygones and trust and love his family again. Blood is thicker than water and everything. And nothing and no one is perfect. We’re all only human.
4. I also believe that if MJ felt someone was trying to kill him, he needed to take action. Is there a safer place than "there's no place like home?" Because no one would know where he was headquartered and living, it became and is "a place with no name." The video of his brothers two days after 6-25-09 in the SUV with what some people believe was MJ in the back could definitely be true. If he is living at home, why would that be so hard to fathom? Marlon was wearing a FBI hat, and just the other day, he stated on TV that he is working for the government. Someone posted an article from February about his involvement in something in Africa, but I think for him to reiterate it now but not give up any info about it keeps it suspicious looking and is something to keep in mind. The brothers seemed too happy that day, what with their brother supposedly having just passed two days before. And they didn't want anyone gawking in the back seat. Something was up with that. They forgot to "hide every trace of gladness."
The entire family is just glad that he decided to kill several vultures with one stone sort of speak and go back home where he can clear his thoughts, and if on pills, wean himself off of them, and basically just be around so many family members that love him. Surely, they all know that money can't buy true happiness or love.
He’s travelled all over the world, so he has been there and done that. That doesn’t excite him anymore, and he hates to tour, so he is enjoying some down and out of sight time. He is enjoying watching his children enjoy.
5. The movie theory. I also believe very strongly that all of these things ties together. Throughout it all MJ was working on a movie, This Is It. There are a lot of messages within the movie. He truly was also working on all kinds of things. We know that if his name is to be attached to anything, he would want it to be classy and right.
Plus, he is finished with touring and writing music per se. He wants to direct and produce movies. That is his future and contribution to the arts.
6. So what's out right now in MJ's image and name?
A. music & catalogs - plus, a lot of unreleased material (some dating back decades)
B. movie
C. books - Opus
D. video game
E. potential musical
F. doll
G. comic book
H. cologne
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J. children
K. biopic being planned
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M. maybe Jordan Chandler's admission of lying
N. media’s hatchet jobs against him revealed -
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7. Making money from this hoax is a byproduct of his having to do it. I think MJ hoaxed his death for a lot of reasons. I think he watched the “Dancing with the Stars” finale with his mother and children at his Encino home. He is freer now than he’s ever been before, even though he’s supposedly died. He is working on new projects and is teaching his children. He may travel to another safe and secret house from time to time. He may be receiving some kind of health treatments for his Lupus. Whatever he’s doing and for whatever reasons, he deserves it, because for over thirty years, in some ways, he lived like a virtual prisoner in his own home and skin, and the press has ridiculed and persecuted him unmercifully.
For some reason, I believe he is breathing and enjoying himself, and is taking care of any health related issues.
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@Aidan I like your post.