Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: *Mo* on November 24, 2009, 06:52:39 AM
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Original thread posted on MJKIT by looking4truth
Okay so this may be old news for some but I just discovered this so please forgive me for my eagerness to post this. I think there is a possibility that there were three folks as Michael Jackson and one of them, I believe, is the real thing.
The first MJ I'm going to point came towards the middle of the documentary.
Here's a clip:
[youtube:3turbp1v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEDk2um2pY[/youtube:3turbp1v]
If you look at his eyes, it resembles this guy below:
[youtube:3turbp1v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWyE5KW-QqI[/youtube:3turbp1v]
Of course, this person may not be the same as the person I posted from the documentary but in any event, his eyes do appear to be different.
The second MJ, who I believe might be the real one, came in the beginning. I will point why I think the second and third one is different based on each one's comments on the mother of Blanket.
[youtube:3turbp1v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72JymfE1mbs[/youtube:3turbp1v]
Now, listen closely to what he says about Blanket's mother towards the end of the clip. You can start at 9:00.
The third MJ came at the end of the documentary with the final interview.
Here's a clip of the 3rd MJ:
[youtube:3turbp1v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ayBiLw4P8Y[/youtube:3turbp1v]
Now listen closely to what he says about Blanket's mother at 1:15.
In the beginning of the documentary, he is claiming that he knows and had a relationship with Blanket's mother. By the end, he claims that him and Blanket's mother do not know each other at all. Which one is it?
In addition, 3rd MJ says Blanket's mother is Black. Meanwhile, LaToya (who could very well be lying but you never know) says MJ told her Blanket's mother is Latino.
Lots of contradictions and inconsistencies. Similar to this whole death thing right?
I personally believe each MJ LOOKS different if you really pay close attention especially the 2nd and 3rd MJ. I know some time passed but I still think that is a pretty drastic change if you ask me. I could be wrong though. They can all be one MJ but I just can't help but be suspicious of this. He could have been tired of doing this documentary once he found out where it was going and decided to throw one of decoys and/or doubles out there.
I want to also point out that if there is a possibility of three MJs in one documentary then whose to say how many potential MJs there are in the movie, This is It. Poppa Joe may be right after all. Could this documentary have been a test to see which decoys/doubles would work for this big plan he had for the future?
What do you guys think? I would love feedback whether it's in agreement or not with my little theory.
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Just like I've said on the old forum, I think it's Michael all the time ;)
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I also think that Mj looks different in the different parts of the documentary. I am not sure if it´s him all the time.
I just wonder if he wouldn´t have told his doubles what to answer on certain questions. Also, if Michael at the end of the documentary answers the question about Blanket´s mum differently..why? If it´s a double, shouldn´t he have known what was answered before?
Weird...
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yeah i think its all michael. it was captured within a span of 8 months right? so y'know his hair changes or maybe he uses new makeup or all that can make you look different. depression or exhaustion i think can be exhuded (sp?) from one's face or discontentment, obviously :roll:
i wont rag on bashir because i did hear he is ill right now. but i did not like the interview.
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Im still waiting on the blog mo :D lol but anyone who seen the original post knows exactly how i feel.... :lol:
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I've said it before and I'm going to say it again (why not ? LOL !)
"third MJ" said he only had TWO SURGERIES. JUST THE NOSE. NO FACIAL / LIPS / EYES.
Now, tell me what do u think, gank..
What if...
WHAT IF...
HE IS THE REAL MICHAEL & HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH
We see lotta differences on each Mike's pics because those are doubles that we THOUGHT they are Michael !
The real Mike only had 2 nose surgeries.
During that interview he even said: I'M TELLING YOU THE HONEST TRUTH !
THIS IS THE HONEST TRUTH ! to Bashithead.
Well, what if he didn't lie to that bloody @$$hole ?
U know what I'm trying to say here ?
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I've said it before and I'm going to say it again (why not ? LOL !)
"third MJ" said he only had TWO SURGERIES. JUST THE NOSE. NO FACIAL / LIPS / EYES.
Now, tell me what do u think, gank..
What if...
WHAT IF...
HE IS THE REAL MICHAEL & HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH
We see lotta differences on each Mike's pics because those are doubles that we THOUGHT they are Michael !
The real Mike only had 2 nose surgeries.
During that interview he even said: I'M TELLING YOU THE HONEST TRUTH !
THIS IS THE HONEST TRUTH ! to Bashithead.
Well, what if he didn't lie to that bloody @$$hole ?
U know what I'm trying to say here ?
i honestly think that that is the real mike...and agree that there has only been 2 nose jobs :D
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yeah yeah...mee too
the Bashithead interview were all Mike
he couldnt possibly send his double to do it
it's just that the differences people saw about him towards the year
maybe because it's not always MIKE who came out and face the paps
probably those were the doubles. Cute Mikey walk safely in the "background". LOL.
*oh dang ! i miss that cute emoticon with that funny wide mouth holding the sign LOL"
I've said it before and I'm going to say it again (why not ? LOL !)
"third MJ" said he only had TWO SURGERIES. JUST THE NOSE. NO FACIAL / LIPS / EYES.
Now, tell me what do u think, gank..
What if...
WHAT IF...
HE IS THE REAL MICHAEL & HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH
We see lotta differences on each Mike's pics because those are doubles that we THOUGHT they are Michael !
The real Mike only had 2 nose surgeries.
During that interview he even said: I'M TELLING YOU THE HONEST TRUTH !
THIS IS THE HONEST TRUTH ! to Bashithead.
Well, what if he didn't lie to that bloody @$$hole ?
U know what I'm trying to say here ?
i honestly think that that is the real mike...and agree that there has only been 2 nose jobs :D
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I do agree that MJ did say he had two nose surgery that he could remember. Remember when that plastic surgeon partner stated that MJ had about 49 plastic surgeries. I feel that the double had the plastic surgeries. When I looked at the video, I did notice the changes MJ. I do feel there was a double during the documentary.
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Im still waiting on the blog mo :D lol but anyone who seen the original post knows exactly how i feel.... :lol:
I'm so sorry Misha, but so many things came up that we didn't had time to do it yet. You most likely know that we don't post a blog just like that, we spend a lot of time on writing a good one, accompanied by good visual material. So please have patience...
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I, too believe all three are MJ. He may have gained weight or lost some weight throughout the 8 months of filming. Different hair styles etc. I cant see why MJ would allow a fake to do the interview. He does look different, but hell, I dont look the same as I did 8 months ago.
As far as the comments on Blanket's mom....I think maybe he was just forgetting what he had said initially and said someting different the 2nd time not realizing what his response to the question the first time around. Does that make sense? LOL
The ONLY time I questioned if it was him was when he was sitting on the couch with Gavin.
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I, too believe all three are MJ. He may have gained weight or lost some weight throughout the 8 months of filming. Different hair styles etc. I cant see why MJ would allow a fake to do the interview. He does look different, but hell, I dont look the same as I did 8 months ago.
As far as the comments on Blanket's mom....I think maybe he was just forgetting what he had said initially and said someting different the 2nd time not realizing what his response to the question the first time around. Does that make sense? LOL
The ONLY time I questioned if it was him was when he was sitting on the couch with Gavin.
yeah me too. i have changed within an 8 month period. my hair changes as well as other things: my weight, my attitude (which i think can protrude out through the face)
can you imagine MJ? no offense to him (I LOVE him) but i think he tweaked his face. i dont believe he got cheek bone implants, forehead lift, etc. i just think he got the nose and cleft and then he just naturally changed over the years. so in a way when he altered his beautiful face i guess his face matured differently compared to someone who hasnt changed their face.
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Im still waiting on the blog mo :D lol but anyone who seen the original post knows exactly how i feel.... :lol:
I'm so sorry Misha, but so many things came up that we didn't had time to do it yet. You most likely know that we don't post a blog just like that, we spend a lot of time on writing a good one, accompanied by good visual material. So please have patience...
looking forward to the blog ;)
as for the michaels in the documentary, it sure looks like it, that there's more then one IMO ;)
i can only say, i like the idea very much!! lol
in the other topic(from the previous forum) i posted also more, but for now, this is all i'm gonna say about it...
IMO it sure looks like more then one... the pics also in one of the posts in that other tread! they look so different and that's only about their physicals...
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Here´s a repost of the post with the pictures:
Posted by: Grace
Well IMO there have always been 2. Double or brother I cannot judge and it's not important.
The nose could have been remade to anybody by A. Klein.
The eyes form, the distances between lips, nose and eyebrows and to cheek bones make the differences IMO.
There is a Michael with doe's eyes:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens19.jpg)
(or as Souza and Mo said "asiatic" eyes)
and there is a Michael "handsome" with the more square chin (we know him from the angel pics and together with MLP)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens20.jpg)
And no, this did not happen within 8 months of recording - they were there all the time until June 2009:
roe eyes / small chin:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/2j3jjg10.jpg)
handsome:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/24_mic10.jpg)
roe eyes:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/ed_har11.jpg)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/michae21.jpg)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/michae22.jpg)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/michae19.jpg)
michael handsome:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/michae20.jpg)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/people10.jpg)
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thanks for posting mo ;)
well for me it really looks like two different people.
when i look at the eyes of the first two pics. the distance between teh eye and eyebrow is bigger at the first pic.
i don't the whole expression of the two seems different....
could be that i'm totally loosing it, but that's why i just asked my brother and he sees it also. so that means i'm still not totally nuts ;)
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I can't help it, but I still think it's Michael on all the pictures.... :oops:
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Here´s a repost of the post with the pictures:
Posted by: Grace
There is a Michael with doe's eyes:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens19.jpg)
(or as Souza and Mo said "asiatic" eyes)
and there is a Michael "handsome" with the more square chin (we know him from the angel pics and together with MLP)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens20.jpg)
these are clearly 2 different people..im sorry :geek: and yes i am waiting patiently for the blog mo and i kno you guys go all out with the visuals thats why im so exicted
The ONLY time I questioned if it was him was when he was sitting on the couch with Gavin.
why that time? i havent watched the footage in awhile but i always thought him and "asiatic mj" were the same...lol
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All MJ except that goofy #2 who doesn't even remotely look like him.
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Im having difficulties swallowing the idea that Michael would use imposters in interviews, have a secret twin and fool us for several years in a row. I really think some speculations are a bit far fetched but I dont blame you, this case makes question everything. In my opinion if Michael used doubles in the documentary my world would turn inside and out, because if that was the case then what else is a lie? Some say Michael is not the Michael we thought from the Bad era too. Well, I can only speak from what Ive seen and if I saw Michael dance, talk and sing from the Bad era times then thats the person I fell in love with, impersonator or real. I dont see what the point would be in using body doubles, if thats the case some of them made Michael look really bad (dangleing baby of balcony... telling two different versions of blanket baby mama.. ect..) Why would Michael put himself through that?
Im having a really hard time swallowing this theory. You may not feel so, but I would feel betrayed by Michael. Not only would my perception of Michael be a complete lie but so would his, if he has been living with a secret so called twin for 50 years of his life. I want to believe Michael is more honest than so. I can believe there was a double on O2, in the TII movie.. But his entire life? In interviews? I dont know. I dont want to think about it.
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Im having difficulties swallowing the idea that Michael would use imposters in interviews, have a secret twin and fool us for several years in a row. I really think some speculations are a bit far fetched but I dont blame you, this case makes question everything. In my opinion if Michael used doubles in the documentary my world would turn inside and out, because if that was the case then what else is a lie? Some say Michael is not the Michael we thought from the Bad era too. Well, I can only speak from what Ive seen and if I saw Michael dance, talk and sing from the Bad era times then thats the person I fell in love with, impersonator or real. I dont see what the point would be in using body doubles, if thats the case some of them made Michael look really bad (dangleing baby of balcony... telling two different versions of blanket baby mama.. ect..) Why would Michael put himself through that?
Im having a really hard time swallowing this theory. You may not feel so, but I would feel betrayed by Michael. Not only would my perception of Michael be a complete lie but so would his, if he has been living with a secret so called twin for 50 years of his life. I want to believe Michael is more honest than so. I can believe there was a double on O2, in the TII movie.. But his entire life? In interviews? I dont know. I dont want to think about it.
I totally know what you're saying. While I don't believe there was more than one Mj here in the doc, i think there is a possibility that Mj could have used decoys to move around. Such as his decoy would be at a shopping mall while Mj made it safely to his hotel without being mobbed. But i dont think he'd used a double for an interview. Just my thoughts I don't really have anything to base my opinion on.
tho this article was interesting but i think it was another hoax pulled by a radio station in germany
http://kdka.com/watercooler/fake.michae ... 18943.html (http://kdka.com/watercooler/fake.michael.jackson.2.1118943.html)
as for the idea that the thriller era michael and the bad-invincible michael being 2 different michael's, i dont think so. NO ONE can dance like Michael can. through the ages Michael has always been an amazing dancer. no one can copy that. not even the best of impersonators.
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I totally know what you're saying. While I don't believe there was more than one Mj here in the doc, i think there is a possibility that Mj could have used decoys to move around. Such as his decoy would be at a shopping mall while Mj made it safely to his hotel without being mobbed. But i dont think he'd used a double for an interview. Just my thoughts I don't really have anything to base my opinion on.
tho this article was interesting but i think it was another hoax pulled by a radio station in germany
http://kdka.com/watercooler/fake.michae ... 18943.html (http://kdka.com/watercooler/fake.michael.jackson.2.1118943.html)
as for the idea that the thriller era michael and the bad-invincible michael being 2 different michael's, i dont think so. NO ONE can dance like Michael can. through the ages Michael has always been an amazing dancer. no one can copy that. not even the best of impersonators.
Yes. I find it hard to believe that Michaels family and friends would appear on stage with an impersonator for more than 25 years. If that was an impersonator, then hell he is just as much as Michael as the old Michael they've kept hidden in a basement because that 'impersonator white new MJ' dances, sings and does just as much charity as the old one. And for some reason that 'new impersonator MJ' seems really close to his family members and children? They must be really close to that impersonator, no? I dont believe this. I cannot believe this. Michael is Michael. He is the one that dances so good, the one who married Lisa Marie Presley, had three wonderful children, owned Neverland, is the one who sings on all his records and is the one who appeared in all interviews and TV appearences (BET awards with James Brown.. ect..) I know our ideas and theories wander off in our minds when we look back in hindsight, but if Michael all of the sudden decided to go in hiding back in the mid 80's and replaced himself with an impersonator, it does not explain how that impersonator is such an amazing dancer, has the exact same voice and emotions and generosity as the old MJ.
If Michael used an impersonator on the trials I really doubt the family would support this so called impersonator or Fake-MJ. Besides, when you book someone and take a mugshot when arrested, dont they also take fingerprints? That would prove there is only one MJ. And IF the impersonator-MJ was accused of childmolestation, why would the REAL Michael hiding in the basement put the impersonator-MJ through all that crap? And not come out from hiding and tell everyone they've made a big mistake and that he is still black and has been hiding in a basement in Encino for 25 years or more.
These are my thoughts. I refuse to believe Michael used impersonators in these serious matters. Yes maybe when he was on tour and needed to escape the hotels or go shopping privately. But not the serious matters.
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They def look different, and i remember watching the bashir documentary and thinking green shirt and burgundy shirt mj do look different. Im sooo confused but i do think there are many other lookalikes, some that we may not even know, and he used them frequently! ;)
http://(http://i47.tinypic.com/1zb9tmx.gif)
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i believe that when MJ used a double for public apperances and such, they always worse the face mask or sunglasses, because then it would be harder to tell, i don't for a minute think he would use a double for an interview as important as that one.
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I have always thought it interesting that MJ's jaw shape changed so many times. Does anyone have a link describing how this type of cosmetic surgery would be possible? Is it chin implants, or moving the jaw bone or what? Is it feasible that the jaw could be changed to be more square and then smaller/more round back and forth a few times? Just curious.... :?:
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Is it feasible that the jaw could be changed to be more square and then smaller/more round back and forth a few times? Just curious.... :?:
no it is not...lol i have never heard of someone having there jaw we build..unless it was broke in a car accident
and to the people saying " no one can dance like mike and the trial, mike at the trial does not look like the guy in the red shirt during the interview IMO AND its just an interview not a concert...lol there are people who can sound like him when he talks
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I have always thought it interesting that MJ's jaw shape changed so many times. Does anyone have a link describing how this type of cosmetic surgery would be possible? Is it chin implants, or moving the jaw bone or what? Is it feasible that the jaw could be changed to be more square and then smaller/more round back and forth a few times? Just curious.... :?:
i thought it was just a weight change. if one gets skinner obviously their jaw might get a little more dominant as well as other things like the ribcage, collar bones, etc.
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Michael has had so many faces in runs to the time ....... hard to say, however, everything thinks he :?
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Only one and the real MIchael Jackson at Bashir´s documentary. Im sure 8-)
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at this point i don't know what to think :? LOL
he looks very different on the pics, but i don't know him personally( :( ;) ) so i don't know what's the reason for that... can someone change that much in a few months?? don't know. could be maybe, depending on the circumstances..
i really don't know what to think..
but i leave this one open and maybe we hear someday, what was going on :)
whatever it was, it's ok for me.
all i want for him, to feel good now!
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[quote = "francisca81"] [color = # 8000FF] an dieser Stelle weiß ich nicht, was sie denken:? LOL
er sieht ganz anders auf die Bilder, aber ich kenne ihn nicht persönlich (: (;)), damit ich weiß nicht, was ist der Grund, dass ... kann jemand zu ändern, dass viel in ein paar Monaten? weiß es nicht. könnte vielleicht, je nach den Umständen ..
Ich weiß wirklich nicht, was ich denke ..
aber ich lasse diese zu eröffnen und vielleicht hören wir einmal, was war los:)
was immer es war, ist es für mich ok.
All I Want für ihn, sich gut zu fühlen Sie jetzt! [/ color] [/ quote]
Yes just it is
They are right :!:
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I watched the videos and he really looks different in each video, but the way the "three" MJ talk is so similar... I'd say the first one could be a double, but the "other two" - really MJ. I think the different looks are a result of heavy make up. I think he wore heavy make up to look different on purpose, trying to disguise himself, to make it difficult for people to know how he really looked like. The heavy make up and the different hair style/ wigs could make him look very different, but sometimes he just looked like himself. I also believe that he used decoys/doubles/impersonators when he didn't want to talk to reporters. That explains why sometimes we ask: "is this guy really MJ or an impersonator?"
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He always looks so damn good that I don't care lol !! ;)
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I figured I bump this up to prove that we have been posting about the doubles theory for awhile. And to point out another reason why we think there is a possiblity of MJ using a doubles/decoys.
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I wish the Documentary videos were still available. I watched the documentary on tv right after June 25 (it aired all week) but I didn't know anything about doubles at the time. From the still shots it does look like different people to me.
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thanks Mo for that re-post of that documentary :) i cant wait to get to that part in my series but im a patient person...oh yeah you can apply the same thing in the '05MJ Trial too ;)
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Don't you think that if MJ had 3 doubles in the Bashir documentary, he and his attorneys would have said so in his trial when the prosecutors played the whole darn thing as evidence against him? Don't you think his lawyers would have used it as proof of innocence? They would have said the dude holding Gavin's hand was a double Please...the extra two MJ's would have been witnesses at the trial...or do you think MJ would possibly give up his freedom, if convicted, to hold on to a twisted secret like that? GOOD GREIF CHARLIE BROWN!
This post is written with L.O.V.E. and good intentions.
PS...about his inconsistencies in his "story telling" in the interviews...MJ is known for telling little white lies and getting caught in the act. This is why it's so dang hard to believe him when he is telling the truth! Take the cookies, bedtime stories and warm milk story he tells about Gavin and other kids...give me a break, if you read what any of the boys say about MJ (the ones who were for him) and sleeping in his bed, there were no cozy fires and milk and cookies and bedtime stories! It was movies, video games, clowning around, french fries, soda, popcorn...things kids that age enjoy. MJ likes to tell stories especially when it comes to stories that are really no ones business...like the origins of Blanket's mother. I just wish he said she was a Fairy who is a distant relative to Tinkerbelle.
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I have always thought it interesting that MJ's jaw shape changed so many times. Does anyone have a link describing how this type of cosmetic surgery would be possible? Is it chin implants, or moving the jaw bone or what? Is it feasible that the jaw could be changed to be more square and then smaller/more round back and forth a few times? Just curious.... :?:
It is possible to get surgery on the jaw bone, it's called genioplasty. It can make a weak chin appear stronger or more defined, and can make a chin less prominent. It involves cutting the jaw bone and sliding it to it's new position and literally screwing it together. It is a very invasive cosmetic procedure and the healing time is very long.
I know this because I had this procedure done a few years ago. It is not impossible that Michael had it done, but very unlikely that he would do it multiple times as the incision inside the mouth takes many months to heal and it takes the bones a while to fuse into their new position.
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I have always thought it interesting that MJ's jaw shape changed so many times. Does anyone have a link describing how this type of cosmetic surgery would be possible? Is it chin implants, or moving the jaw bone or what? Is it feasible that the jaw could be changed to be more square and then smaller/more round back and forth a few times? Just curious.... :?:
It is possible to get surgery on the jaw bone, it's called genioplasty. It can make a weak chin appear stronger or more defined, and can make a chin less prominent. It involves cutting the jaw bone and sliding it to it's new position and literally screwing it together. It is a very invasive cosmetic procedure and the healing time is very long.
I know this because I had this procedure done a few years ago. It is not impossible that Michael had it done, but very unlikely that he would do it multiple times as the incision inside the mouth takes many months to heal and it takes the bones a while to fuse into their new position.
MJ had chin and jaw implants...say what you want, but it's the truth...(I know what MJ said about that and he also said he only had two nose surgeries, I don't blame him...it's none of our buisness). Part of the reason why he was hard to recognize at O2 is no one was used to seeing the "smaller" chin.
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I've said it before and I'm going to say it again (why not ? LOL !)
"third MJ" said he only had TWO SURGERIES. JUST THE NOSE. NO FACIAL / LIPS / EYES.
Now, tell me what do u think, gank..
What if...
WHAT IF...
HE IS THE REAL MICHAEL & HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH
We see lotta differences on each Mike's pics because those are doubles that we THOUGHT they are Michael !
The real Mike only had 2 nose surgeries.
During that interview he even said: I'M TELLING YOU THE HONEST TRUTH !
THIS IS THE HONEST TRUTH ! to Bashithead.
Well, what if he didn't lie to that bloody @$$hole ?
U know what I'm trying to say here ?
i honestly think that that is the real mike...and agree that there has only been 2 nose jobs :D
i always say that to people and they never believe me, even in moonwalk the book, he admitted to two nose surgeries and a cleft chin thats it , he said himself in the book if any other surgeries were true hed have no problem admitting to them, and i think after all this time those 2 nose jobs and the chin IS STILL the only work he had done but when i tell people that they look at me like im an idiot, there are as we know plenty of doubles, now each double no one can look EXACTLY like mj or perfectly like him theres always going to be noticeable differences so maybe all those times people said he had all these surgeries were blindly looking at doubles and to stupid to notice?? i believe the REAL michael had two nose jobs and a cleft chin but thats as far as i believe, i dont believe he had any other surgery.
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Im having difficulties swallowing the idea that Michael would use imposters in interviews, have a secret twin and fool us for several years in a row. I really think some speculations are a bit far fetched but I dont blame you, this case makes question everything. In my opinion if Michael used doubles in the documentary my world would turn inside and out, because if that was the case then what else is a lie? Some say Michael is not the Michael we thought from the Bad era too. Well, I can only speak from what Ive seen and if I saw Michael dance, talk and sing from the Bad era times then thats the person I fell in love with, impersonator or real. I dont see what the point would be in using body doubles, if thats the case some of them made Michael look really bad (dangleing baby of balcony... telling two different versions of blanket baby mama.. ect..) Why would Michael put himself through that?
Im having a really hard time swallowing this theory. You may not feel so, but I would feel betrayed by Michael. Not only would my perception of Michael be a complete lie but so would his, if he has been living with a secret so called twin for 50 years of his life. I want to believe Michael is more honest than so. I can believe there was a double on O2, in the TII movie.. But his entire life? In interviews? I dont know. I dont want to think about it.
I totally know what you're saying. While I don't believe there was more than one Mj here in the doc, i think there is a possibility that Mj could have used decoys to move around. Such as his decoy would be at a shopping mall while Mj made it safely to his hotel without being mobbed. But i dont think he'd used a double for an interview. Just my thoughts I don't really have anything to base my opinion on.
tho this article was interesting but i think it was another hoax pulled by a radio station in germany
http://kdka.com/watercooler/fake.michae ... 18943.html (http://kdka.com/watercooler/fake.michael.jackson.2.1118943.html)
as for the idea that the thriller era michael and the bad-invincible michael being 2 different michael's, i dont think so. NO ONE can dance like Michael can. through the ages Michael has always been an amazing dancer. no one can copy that. not even the best of impersonators.
agreed. No way the bad era was doubles thriller and bad where his peak eras he was his biggest i dont think anyone can imitate that sorry no way. Michael was unstoppable throughout those eras and i dont think thats imitatable, no one can do what he does. imo the bad era was all michael
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I've said it before and I'm going to say it again (why not ? LOL !)
"third MJ" said he only had TWO SURGERIES. JUST THE NOSE. NO FACIAL / LIPS / EYES.
Now, tell me what do u think, gank..
What if...
WHAT IF...
HE IS THE REAL MICHAEL & HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH
We see lotta differences on each Mike's pics because those are doubles that we THOUGHT they are Michael !
The real Mike only had 2 nose surgeries.
During that interview he even said: I'M TELLING YOU THE HONEST TRUTH !
THIS IS THE HONEST TRUTH ! to Bashithead.
Well, what if he didn't lie to that bloody @$$hole ?
U know what I'm trying to say here ?
i honestly think that that is the real mike...and agree that there has only been 2 nose jobs :D
i always say that to people and they never believe me, even in moonwalk the book, he admitted to two nose surgeries and a cleft chin thats it , he said himself in the book if any other surgeries were true hed have no problem admitting to them, and i think after all this time those 2 nose jobs and the chin IS STILL the only work he had done but when i tell people that they look at me like im an idiot, there are as we know plenty of doubles, now each double no one can look EXACTLY like mj or perfectly like him theres always going to be noticeable differences so maybe all those times people said he had all these surgeries were blindly looking at doubles and to stupid to notice?? i believe the REAL michael had two nose jobs and a cleft chin but thats as far as i believe, i dont believe he had any other surgery.
you can believe that...He had those first two when he still had his afro. The third major one around thriller and another major one around bad...he had it more refined and defined with pointier tip in dangerous. I think the argument should be what MJ considered a nose job...did he consider refinements, touch ups, and reconstructive under the heading "nose job" If he didn't then he is absolutely telling the truth.
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I think the eyes is all in the eyeliner trick. The way it was applied. I am 50/50 on this one, too. But the teeth are the same - that's my draw back.
What about this look?
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2w3uxj9.jpg)
When ever I watch the "making of"versus the actual video of Stranger in Moscow - he looks like a completely different person.
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They've always puzzled me too, the different looks of Michael, but his eyes, voice, personality and dance are always one to me. The main thing that bothers me about the doubles is the logistics of handling it for 25 some years. Did they keep the one or two in the basement at Neverland, and synchronize the coming and going of the MJ's. Did the kids call them all Dad. Was it a 9 to 5 job for them where they got called to work and put on their make-up. I'm thinking of that one pic of Michael looking at the MJ laying on the table, but I've always thought it was a dummy. ??? I am 95% sure orange pants was a double but that was only on stage for this movie. Exchanging for interviews, trial appearances, role of Dad, son and brother I just don't see do-able. None of us could truly say then that we know who the real MJ is now if we've been deceived 25 years. Who gets all his royalties? His whole life would practically be a lie. To me the whole music industry, media, court system, family would all have to be in on this, for someone not to have leaked some info about these twins or triplets being seen together. I prefer to think it is mostly in terms of weight loss and gain, make-up, aging, lighting, mood and personality changes such as MPD. I'm joking when I say maybe he really is an alien shape-shifter preferably angelic. The problem with going down this rabbit hole is you think you will find answers, but you just find more questions and crazyness like the Mad Hatter at the tea party.
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Here´s a repost of the post with the pictures:
Posted by: Grace
Well IMO there have always been 2. Double or brother I cannot judge and it's not important.
The nose could have been remade to anybody by A. Klein.
The eyes form, the distances between lips, nose and eyebrows and to cheek bones make the differences IMO.
There is a Michael with doe's eyes:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens19.jpg)
(or as Souza and Mo said "asiatic" eyes)
and there is a Michael "handsome" with the more square chin (we know him from the angel pics and together with MLP)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens20.jpg)
And no, this did not happen within 8 months of recording - they were there all the time until June 2009:
roe eyes / small chin:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/2j3jjg10.jpg)
handsome:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/24_mic10.jpg)
roe eyes:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/ed_har11.jpg)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/michae21.jpg)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/michae22.jpg)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/michae19.jpg)
michael handsome:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/michae20.jpg)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/people10.jpg)
am i wrong to believe "handsome" michael is the "real" michael?
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I just spent some wonderful time watching the main interviews of MJ and various media. In my opinion they are all Michael. It's different clothes, lighting, body angle, facial hair, glasses or not, eye make-up, whether he's rested or not that make us feel changes. It's all still MJ's voice, smile, laugh, mannerism, sweet sweet wonderful heart, passion, humor, graciousness. This particular one below is part 2 of 5 of Geraldo and is one of my favorites, and he mentions the twin or double theory that it's just a lie and sensationalism. It's also great because Geraldo obviously believes in him, whereas Bashir is always accusing and twisting his questions to MJ to make him feel defensive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wul1SuWx ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wul1SuWxwIg&feature=related)
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Come on... especially the girls should know...
Compare yourself in the morning with the afternoon :lol:
It is all about light and make up
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i think it has to do with whether he was sedated or not... :| ya'll know my boo needed recovery 8-)
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Guys please stop with this question:It is the real Michael or no?
WE will never foud out wich one is the real Michael.THIS IS IT,this is the trick,the part of Michael's magic . 8-)
I must addmit that I've ask myself this question an milion times,but never get the right answer,lol. :lol:
Sometimes Ithik I'm dreaming and this is a BADmovie,and Michael was never white,that he was never charged with that horrible things.I REMEMBER THE TIME when I first listen to WILL YOU BE THERE song,after the trials from 1993 and 2005.
Please read this parts from the song and think:
Hold me
Like the River Jordan
And I will then say to thee
You are my friend
Carry me
Like you are my brother
Love me like a mother
Will you be there
..................
Everyone's taking control of me
Seems that the world's
Got a role for me
I'm so confused
Will you show to me
You'll be there for me
And care enough to bear me
.................
In our darkest hour
In my deepest despair
Will you still care
Will you be there
In my trials
And my tribulations
Through our doubts
And frustrations
In my violence
In my turbulence
Through my fear
And my confessions
In my anguish and my pain
Through my joy and my sorrow
In the promise
Of another tomorrow
I'll never let you part
For you're always in my heart.
OMG,after 25 june 2009,I for shure felt all this emotions:despair,doubts,frustratios,anguish,pain,but after a while I felt joy and happines and after that doubts,despair,pain and so on,LIKE IN A CAROUSEL. :o
I have to addmit guys,that I cried almost 2 months after 25 june.But i can't explain WHY.I'm a fan of Michael Jackson since school and now I have almost 29 and married,lol,but still in love with his music.Here on this forum,I foud out that I'm not the only one who had this feelings.Is like I lost my brother,my father or someone who i love very much.
I 'm almost shure that someting happened, after or during BAD album,because Michael changed very much after that.Doesent matter to be,because I Love Michael with all my heart.His music,his love for people,his talent,his joy and his beautiful heart made me the woman that I am,today.Every day of my life i try to be a good person,to respect and give LOVE to people.Michael really has a gift to touch people hearts,I really BELIEVE that. :). Everything is start with us,we are the one who must do the first step,in order to change this world.
I will finish with this words from V from Vendetta movie:
I CREATED A LIE,BUT BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT,YOU FOUND OUT SOMETHIG TRUE ABOUT YOURSELF.
Take care of you my friends. :D
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Here´s a repost of the post with the pictures:
Posted by: Grace
Well IMO there have always been 2. Double or brother I cannot judge and it's not important.
The nose could have been remade to anybody by A. Klein.
The eyes form, the distances between lips, nose and eyebrows and to cheek bones make the differences IMO.
There is a Michael with doe's eyes:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens19.jpg)
(or as Souza and Mo said "asiatic" eyes)
and there is a Michael "handsome" with the more square chin (we know him from the angel pics and together with MLP)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens20.jpg)
And no, this did not happen within 8 months of recording - they were there all the time until June 2009:
But remember Bashir said Michael flew in a lighting expert for that 2nd photo's interview so that could possibly be why he looks different. Unless, Bashir is lying of course.
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Here´s a repost of the post with the pictures:
Posted by: Grace
Well IMO there have always been 2. Double or brother I cannot judge and it's not important.
The nose could have been remade to anybody by A. Klein.
The eyes form, the distances between lips, nose and eyebrows and to cheek bones make the differences IMO.
There is a Michael with doe's eyes:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens19.jpg)
(or as Souza and Mo said "asiatic" eyes)
and there is a Michael "handsome" with the more square chin (we know him from the angel pics and together with MLP)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens20.jpg)
am i wrong to believe "handsome" michael is the "real" michael?
Am not saying that there's absolutely no way he could have decoys and doubles, but the difference in the way he looks in the photos above are due to better, more subtle make up, lighting and different hair cut. The second photo he doesn't have lipstick and the lighting is softer. Also in the second photo, he has a shorter hair cut/ hair piece that frames his face and gives him a more sculpted masculine look. The first haircut was all one length (shoulder length) and partially covering his jawline, so you couldn't see his bone structure.
However, I do admit he was acting very differently. In the first interview segment he was flighty almost whimsical, while in the last interview segment he was subdued and aggressive at times. i think the reason for this is that he realized Bashir was manipulating him.
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Just like I've said on the old forum, I think it's Michael all the time ;)
AGREED! 100% MJ ALL THE TIME
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Don't you think that if MJ had 3 doubles in the Bashir documentary, he and his attorneys would have said so in his trial when the prosecutors played the whole darn thing as evidence against him? Don't you think his lawyers would have used it as proof of innocence? They would have said the dude holding Gavin's hand was a double Please...the extra two MJ's would have been witnesses at the trial...or do you think MJ would possibly give up his freedom, if convicted, to hold on to a twisted secret like that? GOOD GREIF CHARLIE BROWN!
This post is written with L.O.V.E. and good intentions.
PS...about his inconsistencies in his "story telling" in the interviews...MJ is known for telling little white lies and getting caught in the act. This is why it's so dang hard to believe him when he is telling the truth! Take the cookies, bedtime stories and warm milk story he tells about Gavin and other kids...give me a break, if you read what any of the boys say about MJ (the ones who were for him) and sleeping in his bed, there were no cozy fires and milk and cookies and bedtime stories! It was movies, video games, clowning around, french fries, soda, popcorn...things kids that age enjoy. MJ likes to tell stories especially when it comes to stories that are really no ones business...like the origins of Blanket's mother. I just wish he said she was a Fairy who is a distant relative to Tinkerbelle.
I understand that this seems ridiculous for a number of reasons, some you have pointed out, but so is thinking that the biggest selling artist of our time has hoaxed his death so at this point, I'm open to any and everything and yet I'm critical of it all. I will say that as much as these things are ridiculous so are the history books, the media, Bush stealing the election twice and getting away with it, etc. He may have wanted it to be this ridiculous for a reason and perhaps, he knew people that knew people that could get him out no matter what. You never know. I don't think he is guilty at all but maybe he was secure knowing that he would be let out once the truth is revealed. And you could be right about the little white lie in this case or maybe not. Who knows? I'm just providing another way to look at things but if you don't agree with it, I understand that and respect it.
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Here´s a repost of the post with the pictures:
Posted by: Grace
Well IMO there have always been 2. Double or brother I cannot judge and it's not important.
The nose could have been remade to anybody by A. Klein.
The eyes form, the distances between lips, nose and eyebrows and to cheek bones make the differences IMO.
There is a Michael with doe's eyes:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens19.jpg)
(or as Souza and Mo said "asiatic" eyes)
and there is a Michael "handsome" with the more square chin (we know him from the angel pics and together with MLP)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens20.jpg)
am i wrong to believe "handsome" michael is the "real" michael?
Am not saying that there's absolutely no way he could have decoys and doubles, but the difference in the way he looks in the photos above are due to better, more subtle make up, lighting and different hair cut. The second photo he doesn't have lipstick and the lighting is softer. Also in the second photo, he has a shorter hair cut/ hair piece that frames his face and gives him a more sculpted masculine look. The first haircut was all one length (shoulder length) and partially covering his jawline, so you couldn't see his bone structure.
However, I do admit he was acting very differently. In the first interview segment he was flighty almost whimsical, while in the last interview segment he was subdued and aggressive at times. i think the reason for this is that he realized Bashir was manipulating him.
Agreed. The interview was also recorded for MJ, maybe he did know at the moment that Bashir would twist everything he said.
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The first two pictures should not be compared to look for doubles. As someone posted,one is in makeup. Makeup can change the depth and shape of your eyes, that is why they give you the little guides on the backs of shadows packs. One way will make your eyes bigger, one will make your eyes smaller, younger, older, brighter, duller etc. Base for the face even changes the appearance of the shape of the face. If it didn't, us older ladies wouldn't bother with the BOTAFIRM or Revitalift.
I think, without a doubt, Michael used doubles for things (there was a media special about it and not one of those bad media specials either), but these photos should never be compared for that. Makeup and lighting make a 100% difference.
I would post my pictures makeup and none.. then you could really see two different people but I don't want to scare anybody today.. :lol:
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The first two pictures should not be compared to look for doubles. As someone posted,one is in makeup. Makeup can change the depth and shape of your eyes, that is why they give you the little guides on the backs of shadows packs. One way will make your eyes bigger, one will make your eyes smaller, younger, older, brighter, duller etc. Base for the face even changes the appearance of the shape of the face. If it didn't, us older ladies wouldn't bother with the BOTAFIRM or Revitalift.
I think, without a doubt, Michael used doubles for things (there was a media special about it and not one of those bad media specials either), but these photos should never be compared for that. Makeup and lighting make a 100% difference.
I would post my pictures makeup and none.. then you could really see two different people but I don't want to scare anybody today.. :lol:
Correct, that's very logical. We've been saying that for years now, but noone seem to understand... I wonder why, it's not that difficult.
Anyways, you're funny! :D
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Here´s a repost of the post with the pictures:
Posted by: Grace
Well IMO there have always been 2. Double or brother I cannot judge and it's not important.
The nose could have been remade to anybody by A. Klein.
The eyes form, the distances between lips, nose and eyebrows and to cheek bones make the differences IMO.
There is a Michael with doe's eyes:
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens19.jpg)
(or as Souza and Mo said "asiatic" eyes)
and there is a Michael "handsome" with the more square chin (we know him from the angel pics and together with MLP)
(http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/68/72/greens20.jpg)
And no, this did not happen within 8 months of recording - they were there all the time until June 2009:
But remember Bashir said Michael flew in a lighting expert for that 2nd photo's interview so that could possibly be why he looks different. Unless, Bashir is lying of course.
I have to chime in with my opinion as well because this is all too intriguing to me. As someone else pointed out, this is definitely part of MJ's magic. He was infatuated/passionate about magic and while he was living in Vegas his goal was to see every magic show there. At any rate, I feel that the MJ with "asiatic" eyes are NOT MJ as well as the one with yellowish teeth. Michael's teeth are perfect and dazzling white. I must also add that I think that the MJ with the burgandy shirt and crown brooch is the true MJ. He is gorgeous and looks, to me, to be the most authentic of the pics. I was quite startled when watching this documentary of how large MJ was---particularly around the chest/abdomen and became quite worried about him. I attributed the look to "barrel chest" and immediately thought emphysema or COPD or a liver condition (which would explain his discolored nailbeds). However, he could have been on steroids to control his lupus too (hence, the weight gain). Who really knows???? I can only hope that the truth will be revealed soon!
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MJJ1982 wrote:Just like I've said on the old forum, I think it's Michael all the time ;)
AGREED! 100% MJ ALL THE TIME
Agree too,to me it's all Michael.
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MJJ1982 wrote:Just like I've said on the old forum, I think it's Michael all the time ;)
AGREED! 100% MJ ALL THE TIME
Agree too,to me it's all Michael.
You know, sometimes I find myself wishing I agreed with you guys. But it is just too clear that we have seen more than one Michael Jackson.
Even if there haven't been doubles, that would mean MJ does have multiple personalities, which would explain a lot of the inconsistent behavior and can even contribute to changes in facial expressions and mannerisms. I don't think this explains everything though, unfortunately.
Most likely, there was multiple personalities AND doubles. To what extent, I don't know, nobody knows. But we just can't keep saying "It's all Michael" simply because we want to believe it is... Trust me, a big part of me would like to believe that too.
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Just like I've said on the old forum, I think it's Michael all the time ;)
Yep ALL Michael always 110%. Why think otherwise????
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the videos are gone :(
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Just like I've said on the old forum, I think it's Michael all the time ;)
Yep ALL Michael always 110%. Why think otherwise????
Why think otherwise? Well, the only reason not to think otherwise is if you ignore all of the evidence. Yes, it could turn out to be Michael all the time, but there is evidence that says otherwise. That is why we are investigating because there are things that just don't add up.
If I was Michael Jackson, I would probably want to use a double from time to time, to escape the crazy things that follow him around.
And if I looked like Michael Jackson, there's a good chance I could be talked into doing "ANYTHING FOR MONEY".
Open your minds.
With love.
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In this pictures, the nose is different.
http://[url=http][img]http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8889/bashit555e.jpg[/img][/url]
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I am a fan. Maybe not a hardcore, follow him everywhere fan, but I do love his work and music. I have noticed a change in Michael. I do feel like his face looks really different sometimes. I do think the more "handsome" as people have said is Michael. I do wonder if maybe MJ just wanted to mess with the media.
Has anyone watched these? "The Michael Jackson Interview - Footages you weren't meant to see" - There are 9 parts. If you watch one you can find the links for the others. Apparently done with MJ's own camera.
[youtube:296pekej]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN1lOBLaEKE[/youtube:296pekej]
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seriously...i think this is Michale all the way through...there might be doubles in TII...and I;m sure he used decoys from time to time, but i think we are seriously going overboard with this whole doubles theory :? :? :?
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The first two pictures should not be compared to look for doubles. As someone posted,one is in makeup. Makeup can change the depth and shape of your eyes, that is why they give you the little guides on the backs of shadows packs. One way will make your eyes bigger, one will make your eyes smaller, younger, older, brighter, duller etc. Base for the face even changes the appearance of the shape of the face. If it didn't, us older ladies wouldn't bother with the BOTAFIRM or Revitalift.
I think, without a doubt, Michael used doubles for things (there was a media special about it and not one of those bad media specials either), but these photos should never be compared for that. Makeup and lighting make a 100% difference.
I would post my pictures makeup and none.. then you could really see two different people but I don't want to scare anybody today.. :lol:
Correct, that's very logical. We've been saying that for years now, but noone seem to understand... I wonder why, it's not that difficult.
AGree!!
It is just different make-up!
Anyways, you're funny! :D
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I will not apologize, either ONE Michael Jackson had
about 39 surgeries, or two or three Michael Jackson's
had a COMBINATION of 39 different surgeries. :lol:
THERE is absolutely NO way ONE person can have so
many of the different facial changes that Michael had without
either extensive plastic surgery or he is telling the truth only
about HIMself and not others.
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I personally believe it was all MJ throughout the whole documentary. I think he looks different on some parts due to his hair style and depending on how much make up he has on. Make up can make a big difference on how someone looks. I think at the end of the documentary he is more natural when he is sitting on the couch talking to Bashir. I think Karen his make up artist put too much on him at times. He didn't need all that. I think he look fine without the make up but if he liked it then that was his own personal choice.
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I think we need to investigate. I think Madonna has 3 doubles as well....You can't tell me these 3 are the same Madonna! The 3rd one on the bottom...she looks like a happy house wife. The second one, where did that pointy jawline come from? I think the second one is a MAN! And what about that changing hair! OMG! Maybe its a conspiracy with all the 80's stars? :lol: It's called LIGHTING, STYLE, TIME, MOOD, MAKEUP.
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Just like I've said on the old forum, I think it's Michael all the time ;)
Yep ALL Michael always 110%. Why think otherwise????
Why think otherwise? Well, the only reason not to think otherwise is if you ignore all of the evidence. Yes, it could turn out to be Michael all the time, but there is evidence that says otherwise. That is why we are investigating because there are things that just don't add up.
If I was Michael Jackson, I would probably want to use a double from time to time, to escape the crazy things that follow him around.
And if I looked like Michael Jackson, there's a good chance I could be talked into doing "ANYTHING FOR MONEY".
Open your minds.
With love.
We ALL act different at times....different situations etc. Certain people bring out the best or worst in us. We all have good days and bad days. To me there is no evidence to say otherwise it is not Michael at ALL times in those documentaries. People that believe this must have nothing better to do than contradict him. The poor man no wonder he felt the need to fake his death. Even some of his so called "fans" dont believe in him
JMO!!! Love and Peace!!!
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I think all of these photos contain the real MJ. Any differences are due to lighting, make up to varying degrees and even the color of clothing can change someone's look. Just see "Color Me Beautiful" books for evidence of this point, how tired/refreshed one is, how hydrated/dehydrated the skin is, the food diet at the time, non surgical facial creams/procedures, stress, environmental/air conditioning/humidity and probably other factors. Anyway the voice and eyes are MJ's in all of those videos. When on tv, the police/authorities don't want to identify an individual they used to put a Black strip on the image of the person over their eyes. This is because the eyes hold the key to someone's identity. Cover the eyes and one is unidentifiable (when on a photo).
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I think all of these photos contain the real MJ. Any differences are due to lighting, make up to varying degrees and even the color of clothing can change someone's look. Just see "Color Me Beautiful" books for evidence of this point, how tired/refreshed one is, how hydrated/dehydrated the skin is, the food diet at the time, non surgical facial creams/procedures, stress, environmental/air conditioning/humidity and probably other factors. Anyway the voice and eyes are MJ's in all of those videos. When on tv, the police/authorities don't want to identify an individual they used to put a Black strip on the image of the person over their eyes. This is because the eyes hold the key to someone's identity. Cover the eyes and one is unidentifiable (when on a photo).
Co-sign.
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I think all of these photos contain the real MJ. Any differences are due to lighting, make up to varying degrees and even the color of clothing can change someone's look. Just see "Color Me Beautiful" books for evidence of this point, how tired/refreshed one is, how hydrated/dehydrated the skin is, the food diet at the time, non surgical facial creams/procedures, stress, environmental/air conditioning/humidity and probably other factors. Anyway the voice and eyes are MJ's in all of those videos. When on tv, the police/authorities don't want to identify an individual they used to put a Black strip on the image of the person over their eyes. This is because the eyes hold the key to someone's identity. Cover the eyes and one is unidentifiable (when on a photo).
You said it RIGHT!!! Thank you
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nynyro and MJmakesmespeechless, No, thank you! :)
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I will not apologize, either ONE Michael Jackson had
about 39 surgeries, or two or three Michael Jackson's
had a COMBINATION of 39 different surgeries. :lol:
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not need to apologize for thinking logically...lol i cant believe people really think he made his nose that small and then went back to make it bigger again :lol:
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Just like I've said on the old forum, I think it's Michael all the time ;)
Yep ALL Michael always 110%. Why think otherwise????
Why think otherwise? Well, the only reason not to think otherwise is if you ignore all of the evidence. Yes, it could turn out to be Michael all the time, but there is evidence that says otherwise. That is why we are investigating because there are things that just don't add up.
If I was Michael Jackson, I would probably want to use a double from time to time, to escape the crazy things that follow him around.
And if I looked like Michael Jackson, there's a good chance I could be talked into doing "ANYTHING FOR MONEY".
Open your minds.
With love.
We ALL act different at times....different situations etc. Certain people bring out the best or worst in us. We all have good days and bad days. To me there is no evidence to say otherwise it is not Michael at ALL times in those documentaries. People that believe this must have nothing better to do than contradict him. The poor man no wonder he felt the need to fake his death. Even some of his so called "fans" dont believe in him
JMO!!! Love and Peace!!!
I know where you are coming from, and agree that different people and places do bring out different things in us. However, this is not a matter of me or anyone else not "believing" in him. It's a matter of looking at things beyong the surface. I am a huge MJ fan, and I won't even attempt to say which is Michael and which isn't, and it took me a long time to admit the mere possibilities of doubles. NOBODY knows anything for certain. For all we know, there could have been doubles used at times even WITHOUT Michael's consent. Think about that. There were people trying to control every aspect of his life. In my opinion, this hoax is him taking back control of his life.
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here has been talk that MJ would be two and second-MJ thought it might be a cousin or relative or..
Bashir documentary MJ says that his father Joe said to him, no father "to you, Joseph"
I wondered why MJ did not say a father? Dad? Only Joseph :roll:
:? maybe "MJ-double" answered the question honestly? maybe he was not Joe's son, but a relative or cousin or ?
(Link to the Bashir documentary about 1.30, MJ talks about his father) :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkIDHMDO ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkIDHMDOxik&feature=related)
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:? maybe "MJ-double" answered the question honestly? maybe he was not Joe's son, but a relative or cousin or ?
I don't believe that. He never called him 'dad' because the relationship between him and Joe wasn't that good.
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:? maybe "MJ-double" answered the question honestly? maybe he was not Joe's son, but a relative or cousin or ?
I don't believe that. He never called him 'dad' because the relationship between him and Joe wasn't that good.
Yeah, all the children call their dad "Joseph".