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Title: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 09, 2010, 11:00:46 PM
So a couple bags of pot were found at Michael Jackson's home after he died, huh?

Wasn't that reported?

This could mean one of two things: either he really died and really had marijuana hidden away, which could be. Or he faked his death and planted the marijuana as a clue for us. Either way, it is likely that Michael liked marijuana.

So I decided to look up the benefits of marijuana. Why would Michael be using it or be wanting us to think he was using it?

The Physical benefits of marijuana are far-reaching, widespread, and long-term. Because of the way marijuana impacts the Autonomic Nervous System which expands the breath and relaxes the body, its potential for health and healing are enormous, and have been completely unrealized by Western Medicine. The following passages are excerpted from The Benefits of Marijuana: Physical, Psychological, & Spiritual:

  Marijuana ingestion has been shown to change the worried state by producing alpha waves, experienced as well being. (p. 36)

          When we ingest marijuana, the heart swells through capillary enhancement and is fueled more by more fully oxygenated blood, while, at the same time, its contractions and expansions are greater, allowing for stronger pumping action to the rest of the body (p. 37)

          As rigidity in the body is released or reduced by the action of marijuana, there is a corresponding reduction of mental tension that translates into a feeling of expansion and well being and explains the reverential attitude commonly expressed by marijuana lovers. (p. 39)

          As the body’s workings can become more harmonious with marijuana, the functioning of the five senses can be noticeably improved ....In our discussion, the trigger to the high experience is marijuana, but many other activities can also produce it, such as jogging, chanting, fasting, isolation, meditation, and prayer. (p. 41)

          The marijuana experience itself does not miraculously cure. Instead, it allows the body a respite from the tensions of imbalance, while exposing the mental confusion of the mind. The marijuana experience of balance becomes a learned and, over time, somewhat permanent response as the essential human tendency to homeostasis is reawakened and the natural healing process restored. (p. 49)
 Natural feelings of expansion that correspond to favorable perceptions, such as a sense of accomplishment, are experiences common to us all, What makes marijuana unique and beneficial is its ability to summon these states of well-being at will (p. 44) We might suggest that those hundreds of millions of people around the world who face marijuana to experience higher levels of life, do so specifically because of the great import they ascribe to being “ high,”  i.e., feeling better, happier, more expansive, and therefore more tolerant and compassionate. (p. 4545)
SPIRITUAL BENEFITS

That which enlivens is understood as the SPIRIT. In these times of secular values, when the life force is not recognized as being an expression of the holy, when in fact, the notion of a plane of existence beyond the material is not acknowledged, the search for meaning nevertheless perseveres.
It appears as if society, as well as the programmed, individual mind, needs to hold in check the notion that we love our neighbor as ourselves. There is no way that we can love our neighbor as ourselves, nor any way that our economy can subscribe to a policy of cooperation, when the very life of business enterprise is dependent upon “profit first and foremost.” Cooperation within free enterprise is a difficult reality so long as “me first” remains the primary motivation. A neurotic society, with its deeply imbedded habit of maladaptive coping methods, is resistant to change. Marijuana can be of tremendous benefit in exposing the distorted perspectives responsible for social, class, and racial conflict It can open the “doors of perception,” and thereby after the very core of the personality, by allowing a view of the transcendent values of human life. (p. 57)
Today, in these darkest of times, hundreds of millions who pursue the journey inward to the universal core values, find that marijuana facilitates the search. As a religious sacrament, intuitively recognized by all for whom the sacred beckons, marijuana has been employed for thousands of years, crossing all geographical and ethnic barriers. Marijuana not only balances the body, and enhances our mental processes, it can also help (some of) us to perceive the abiding reality by raising our consciousness.


          Whereas marijuana results in an “altered state of consciousness,” the depressant drugs have been described as producing “altered states of unconsciousness” (Sugerman and Tarter), allowing for relaxation without awareness. (p.45)



          Marijuana exposes things. When used over a period of time, it allows us to witness our many subtle motives which, under normal consciousness, are usually not noticeable. (p 46)


Marijuana’s contribution to the developing spirit is cumulative. As bodily tensions are reduced mental fears dissolve, clearing the way to greater insight But, until the direct effect (physical balance) of marijuana on the body and the attendant side effect (high) of marijuana on the mind become familiar, the alterations themselves remain the focus of interest The “getting high” is the end in itself, rather than the understanding and insight that accrues a s the changed set becomes more a common. People who try marijuana and reject it do so usually because they feel uncomfortable and confused in altered, fuller consciousness. Instead of life being safely framed by the rigidity of the societal dogma, the wold becomes unfamiliarly bigger, brighter, fuller, yet less manageable, more unpredictable and full of mystery. A mind that has been bound and accustomed to a low charge or a selling without light very often finds the expansiveness of reality too highly energized. The light can be blinding and disorienting. Over time, and with regular intake, when these higher states of seeing are no longer the focal point of attention, a restructuring of values may emerge. (p. 72)

http://www.benefitsofmarijuana.com/benefits.php (http://www.benefitsofmarijuana.com/benefits.php)

 :shock:

Don't know about you guys but I'm going to go smoke a doobie.  :D  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on September 09, 2010, 11:20:46 PM
The bodyguards claimed that he inquired about it a couple of times when he was living in Vegas too.  I've thought that maybe he smoked some to try to sleep or calm his nerves.  I don't think he would have smoked very often though because it does affect the lungs, and as hard as he sings and dances, it wouldn't have been good for him.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 09, 2010, 11:24:23 PM
Hey wait for me  ;)  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 09, 2010, 11:29:07 PM
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
The bodyguards claimed that he inquired about it a couple of times when he was living in Vegas too.  I've thought that maybe he smoked some to try to sleep or calm his nerves.  I don't think he would have smoked very often though because it does affect the lungs, and as hard as he sings and dances, it wouldn't have been good for him.

In comparison to other things, marijuana isn't really that bad for your lungs.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/200 ... lungs_toba (http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2007/nov/29/marijuana_better_your_lungs_toba)

And I'm a singer and dancer, too. While my health is very important to me, I consider peaceful sleep and peace of mind to be a justifiable vice... ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 09, 2010, 11:29:28 PM
Quote from: "Jude"
Hey wait for me  ;)  :lol:

Haha! Love it!  :D
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 09, 2010, 11:38:19 PM
Good little bit  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3JGjzwVvN8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3JGjzwVvN8)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Mj5StarChick on September 10, 2010, 12:02:01 AM
Hmmmm I can't fully go against this at all so im thinking maybe just maybe he smoked it from time to time :?
Anyway here's an article about it :D

Search Of Michael Jackson's Home Uncovered Marijuana

 Police searched home, at family's urging, day after Jackson died.

 Though the report turned out to be false, police searched Michael Jackson 's rented Los Angeles-area home the day after the singer died based on a tip from unnamed members of the singer's family, who said they'd found what they thought was a bag of heroin in his bedroom.

 The substance tested negative for heroin, but The Associated Press  reports that the search did turn up several other drugs, including two bags of marijuana. It is unknown whom the pot belonged to, but the information — which came in an affidavit supporting a search warrant that was executed on June 26 — reveals that police combed through the rented Bel Air mansion three days earlier than any previously reported search.

 The search warrant was one of two unsealed on Thursday at the request of media outlets, though a judge ordered two others to remain sealed. The AP  reported that the warrants give an indication of how the police were directing their investigation into what killed the 50-year-old singer, noting that the one served on the Bel Air mansion on June 26 listed "PC 187," the California penal code for murder , in the box labeled "probable crime."

 In addition to the marijuana, the search turned up the generic form of Valium, 12 bottles of the sedative/insomnia drug temazepam and several other prescription drugs and empty medication vials, with a detective noting that Jackson's body showed signs of injections. The Los Angeles Times  reports that no signs of marijuana or other illegal drugs were found in Jackson's system in lab tests. The alleged tar heroin family members alerted police to in Jackson's master bedroom turned out to be moldy marijuana, but the discovery prompted officials to obtain a search warrant for Jackson's house for heroin, hypodermic needles, cutting agents, scales, balloons, condoms, razor blades, buyer lists, seller lists and other items associated with illicit drugs, the paper reports.

 No one has been charged in Jackson's death, though his personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, is reportedly at the center of a manslaughter investigation looking into drugs he may have prescribed or administered to Jackson. Murray's lawyer has denied he administered or supplied anything that "should have" killed the singer, though Murray reportedly told police that he gave Jackson a series of sedatives and anesthetics in the hours before his death  to combat the pop star's chronic insomnia.
 According to the affidavit, a search warrant for Murray's car turned up some documents but no additional drugs. It also states that the doctor spoke to detectives in the hospital after Jackson's death but only gave a brief summary of what happened and left the hospital despite detectives' objections.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161977 ... obile=true (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619772/20090828/jackson_michael.jhtml?mobile=true)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on September 10, 2010, 12:09:33 AM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
The bodyguards claimed that he inquired about it a couple of times when he was living in Vegas too.  I've thought that maybe he smoked some to try to sleep or calm his nerves.  I don't think he would have smoked very often though because it does affect the lungs, and as hard as he sings and dances, it wouldn't have been good for him.

In comparison to other things, marijuana isn't really that bad for your lungs.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/200 ... lungs_toba (http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2007/nov/29/marijuana_better_your_lungs_toba)

And I'm a singer and dancer, too. While my health is very important to me, I consider peaceful sleep and peace of mind to be a justifiable vice... ;)


Oh don't get me wrong, I have nothing against it at all.  I guess I was looking at it more from a habitual standpoint (which I don't think Michael would have done).  I believe the tar residue from marijuana is worse than cigarettes.  I think it has something to do with the fact that people tend to inhale marijuana deeper than cigarette smoke.  At a moderate level though I don't think it would have harmed Michael at all.  I hope it did give him peace of mind and help him sleep better.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on September 10, 2010, 12:23:26 AM
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
The bodyguards claimed that he inquired about it a couple of times when he was living in Vegas too.  I've thought that maybe he smoked some to try to sleep or calm his nerves.  I don't think he would have smoked very often though because it does affect the lungs, and as hard as he sings and dances, it wouldn't have been good for him.

In comparison to other things, marijuana isn't really that bad for your lungs.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/200 ... lungs_toba (http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2007/nov/29/marijuana_better_your_lungs_toba)

And I'm a singer and dancer, too. While my health is very important to me, I consider peaceful sleep and peace of mind to be a justifiable vice... ;)


Oh don't get me wrong, I have nothing against it at all.  I guess I was looking at it more from a habitual standpoint (which I don't think Michael would have done).  I believe the tar residue from marijuana is worse than cigarettes.  I think it has something to do with the fact that people tend to inhale marijuana deeper than cigarette smoke.  At a moderate level though I don't think it would have harmed Michael at all.  I hope it did give him peace of mind and help him sleep better.

No no no. Cigarettes kill 100's of thousands of people a year. Marijuana, err, zero? Cigarettes are full of toxins, 400 or some insane number, toxins! as in 400 individual chemical compounds known to be toxic to humans. Marijuana, zero.

Interesting to note cigarettes are legal in the USA. Marijuana, not.

They Don't Care About Us.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: *Mo* on September 10, 2010, 12:37:40 AM

According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana. Why? Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them. It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on September 10, 2010, 01:00:15 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
The bodyguards claimed that he inquired about it a couple of times when he was living in Vegas too.  I've thought that maybe he smoked some to try to sleep or calm his nerves.  I don't think he would have smoked very often though because it does affect the lungs, and as hard as he sings and dances, it wouldn't have been good for him.

In comparison to other things, marijuana isn't really that bad for your lungs.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/200 ... lungs_toba (http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2007/nov/29/marijuana_better_your_lungs_toba)

And I'm a singer and dancer, too. While my health is very important to me, I consider peaceful sleep and peace of mind to be a justifiable vice... ;)


Oh don't get me wrong, I have nothing against it at all.  I guess I was looking at it more from a habitual standpoint (which I don't think Michael would have done).  I believe the tar residue from marijuana is worse than cigarettes.  I think it has something to do with the fact that people tend to inhale marijuana deeper than cigarette smoke.  At a moderate level though I don't think it would have harmed Michael at all.  I hope it did give him peace of mind and help him sleep better.

No no no. Cigarettes kill 100's of thousands of people a year. Marijuana, err, zero? Cigarettes are full of toxins, 400 or some insane number, toxins! as in 400 individual chemical compounds known to be toxic to humans. Marijuana, zero.

Interesting to note cigarettes are legal in the USA. Marijuana, not.

They Don't Care About Us.


Not trying to have a debate on this, but I am definitely more than aware as to how many people die from cigarettes annually.  I've seen it in my own family.  And yes, the toxins are absolutely awful!  I never said that anyone has died from marijuana smoking.  All I am saying is that some of the articles I've read on marijuana indicate that the tar can cause lung damage in habitual smokers.  Inhaling smoke of any kind habitually is bound to do lung damage in the long run.  I've spoken with people who smoke both marijuana and cigarettes and they claim that they inhale pot smoke deeper than cigarette smoke.  This is also a reason why it can actually help asthmatics when they feel an attack coming on.  As the person inhales deeply, it helps to open the bronchial tubes.  That came straight from a medical doctor.  I had to do some research on this for a class one time and as an asthmatic, this concept stuck with me.  Although I can't say that I have tried this remedy myself.  That's all I am trying to point out.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MJonmind on September 10, 2010, 01:22:53 AM
Apparantly you can drink it in tea and put into baked goods as well, but smoking into the lungs gets the full healing effect. My nephew is really into smoking the stuff, and likes it so much, says it stablizes his bi-polar issues, but unfortunately it has opened his mind to the money-governed world we live in, so he works only enough to scrape by, and creates music and reflects the rest of the time! :lol: His girlfriend works full time. Just imagine how aware of things we'd all be if we all smoked! :o
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: chappie on September 10, 2010, 01:47:30 AM
[youtube:s4hoohi7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp12yRMlpNQ[/youtube:s4hoohi7]
Chappie
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Believe 777 on September 10, 2010, 05:26:37 AM
Hash oil cures cancer and many other illnesses! Please take the time to watch this video, it is an hour long but well worth it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/chrychek (http://www.youtube.com/user/chrychek)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on September 10, 2010, 06:18:29 AM
Quote from: "Mj5StarChick"
Hmmmm I can't fully go against this at all so im thinking maybe just maybe he smoked it from time to time :?
Anyway here's an article about it :D

Search Of Michael Jackson's Home Uncovered Marijuana

 Police searched home, at family's urging, day after Jackson died.

 Though the report turned out to be false, police searched Michael Jackson 's rented Los Angeles-area home the day after the singer died based on a tip from unnamed members of the singer's family, who said they'd found what they thought was a bag of heroin in his bedroom.

 The substance tested negative for heroin, but The Associated Press  reports that the search did turn up several other drugs, including two bags of marijuana. It is unknown whom the pot belonged to, but the information — which came in an affidavit supporting a search warrant that was executed on June 26 — reveals that police combed through the rented Bel Air mansion three days earlier than any previously reported search.

 The search warrant was one of two unsealed on Thursday at the request of media outlets, though a judge ordered two others to remain sealed. The AP  reported that the warrants give an indication of how the police were directing their investigation into what killed the 50-year-old singer, noting that the one served on the Bel Air mansion on June 26 listed "PC 187," the California penal code for murder , in the box labeled "probable crime."

 In addition to the marijuana, the search turned up the generic form of Valium, 12 bottles of the sedative/insomnia drug temazepam and several other prescription drugs and empty medication vials, with a detective noting that Jackson's body showed signs of injections. The Los Angeles Times  reports that no signs of marijuana or other illegal drugs were found in Jackson's system in lab tests. The alleged tar heroin family members alerted police to in Jackson's master bedroom turned out to be moldy marijuana, but the discovery prompted officials to obtain a search warrant for Jackson's house for heroin, hypodermic needles, cutting agents, scales, balloons, condoms, razor blades, buyer lists, seller lists and other items associated with illicit drugs, the paper reports.

 No one has been charged in Jackson's death, though his personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, is reportedly at the center of a manslaughter investigation looking into drugs he may have prescribed or administered to Jackson. Murray's lawyer has denied he administered or supplied anything that "should have" killed the singer, though Murray reportedly told police that he gave Jackson a series of sedatives and anesthetics in the hours before his death  to combat the pop star's chronic insomnia.
 According to the affidavit, a search warrant for Murray's car turned up some documents but no additional drugs. It also states that the doctor spoke to detectives in the hospital after Jackson's death but only gave a brief summary of what happened and left the hospital despite detectives' objections.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161977 ... obile=true (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619772/20090828/jackson_michael.jhtml?mobile=true)

thought it took them a couple of days to search.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 10:48:03 AM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Apparantly you can drink it in tea and put into baked goods as well, but smoking into the lungs gets the full healing effect. My nephew is really into smoking the stuff, and likes it so much, says it stablizes his bi-polar issues, but unfortunately it has opened his mind to the money-governed world we live in, so he works only enough to scrape by, and creates music and reflects the rest of the time! :lol: His girlfriend works full time. Just imagine how aware of things we'd all be if we all smoked! :o

I can imagine...  ;)  :lol:

I think some people do take it overboard, like all things. I have friends who can't keep a job because they smoke pot all day long playing video games and eating pizza rolls and have no motivation to do much else. But I think that's just laziness, they probably wouldn't be able to keep a job anyway.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: "*Mo*"

According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana. Why? Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them. It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.

This is 100% accurate. NO WONDER it's illegal in the US. Ticks me off.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 11:00:39 AM
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
The bodyguards claimed that he inquired about it a couple of times when he was living in Vegas too.  I've thought that maybe he smoked some to try to sleep or calm his nerves.  I don't think he would have smoked very often though because it does affect the lungs, and as hard as he sings and dances, it wouldn't have been good for him.

In comparison to other things, marijuana isn't really that bad for your lungs.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/200 ... lungs_toba (http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2007/nov/29/marijuana_better_your_lungs_toba)

And I'm a singer and dancer, too. While my health is very important to me, I consider peaceful sleep and peace of mind to be a justifiable vice... ;)


Oh don't get me wrong, I have nothing against it at all.  I guess I was looking at it more from a habitual standpoint (which I don't think Michael would have done).  I believe the tar residue from marijuana is worse than cigarettes.  I think it has something to do with the fact that people tend to inhale marijuana deeper than cigarette smoke.  At a moderate level though I don't think it would have harmed Michael at all.  I hope it did give him peace of mind and help him sleep better.

No no no. Cigarettes kill 100's of thousands of people a year. Marijuana, err, zero? Cigarettes are full of toxins, 400 or some insane number, toxins! as in 400 individual chemical compounds known to be toxic to humans. Marijuana, zero.

Interesting to note cigarettes are legal in the USA. Marijuana, not.

They Don't Care About Us.


Not trying to have a debate on this, but I am definitely more than aware as to how many people die from cigarettes annually.  I've seen it in my own family.  And yes, the toxins are absolutely awful!  I never said that anyone has died from marijuana smoking.  All I am saying is that some of the articles I've read on marijuana indicate that the tar can cause lung damage in habitual smokers.  Inhaling smoke of any kind habitually is bound to do lung damage in the long run.  I've spoken with people who smoke both marijuana and cigarettes and they claim that they inhale pot smoke deeper than cigarette smoke.  This is also a reason why it can actually help asthmatics when they feel an attack coming on.  As the person inhales deeply, it helps to open the bronchial tubes.  That came straight from a medical doctor.  I had to do some research on this for a class one time and as an asthmatic, this concept stuck with me.  Although I can't say that I have tried this remedy myself.  That's all I am trying to point out.

After smoking or ingesting marijuana some way, breathing patterns are slowed down and regulated to a deeper, fuller breath. This can be very healing and therapeutic for people with breathing issues as well as people like me with anxiety disorders. I've had problems with anxiety since I was a kid, having to deal with panic attacks and feelings of worry CONSTANTLY. I used to be addicted to the anti-anxiety drug Xanax that I was prescribed. I cannot even tell you guys how difficult that time of my life was. The xanax helped the anxiety but it made me feel like a zombie. I felt stupid, couldn't think straight and just wanted to sleep all the time. A tolerance is built up very quickly, so I was always having to up my dosage. A friend of mine noticed that my need for it was getting out of hand, so I decided to ween myself off of it - what a nightmare! Literally - had nightmares everynight...headaches, nasuea, depression, you name it.

Long story short, I prescribed myself something that not only took care of my anxiety, but led me to the conclusion that I will never take cancer-causing medication again  :lol:

The law can kiss my butt.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: applehead250609 on September 10, 2010, 11:47:05 AM
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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: GreenManMakeAChange on September 10, 2010, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Apparantly you can drink it in tea and put into baked goods as well, but smoking into the lungs gets the full healing effect. My nephew is really into smoking the stuff, and likes it so much, says it stablizes his bi-polar issues, but unfortunately it has opened his mind to the money-governed world we live in, so he works only enough to scrape by, and creates music and reflects the rest of the time! :lol: His girlfriend works full time. Just imagine how aware of things we'd all be if we all smoked! :o

I'm also bipolar and create music in my leisure time aside from my job, which is not full time but gives me flexible hours and free time.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: "GreenManMakeAChange"
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Apparantly you can drink it in tea and put into baked goods as well, but smoking into the lungs gets the full healing effect. My nephew is really into smoking the stuff, and likes it so much, says it stablizes his bi-polar issues, but unfortunately it has opened his mind to the money-governed world we live in, so he works only enough to scrape by, and creates music and reflects the rest of the time! :lol: His girlfriend works full time. Just imagine how aware of things we'd all be if we all smoked! :o

I'm also bipolar and create music in my leisure time aside from my job, which is not full time but gives me flexible hours and free time.

I'm the same, I don't know if I'm bipolar but with my anxiety issues it can seem like it. I work ALL the time but I love my jobs. I have this one (which is so easy, clearly since I'm on the forum all day long  :lol: ) and then I'm also a massage therapist, just helping people relax and feel good :D  I also create music, poetry, and stories in my free time as well as read (I do read other things besides this forum believe it or not :lol: ). So many people "live to work" as opposed to "work to live". I work just so I can pay my bills and participate in society, although I totally wouldn't be opposed to living in the wilderness and saying SCREW SOCIETY!  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 10, 2010, 01:56:18 PM
I have tryed and tryed on here to tell everyone that MJ is freeing the MJ. Who is the girl he always talked about. What girl is Invincible? What girl is dangerous? Should we trust MJ over morphine? You bet! Strange disease with no cure, HAHA he said.   "MJ" Michael the archangel reveals and is the trumpet blower for the tree of life. I know the redirects sometimes go to bible verses. Can anyone disprove any of these verses or information. Just remember its a demonstration for freedom. What is in prison that must be freed? "MJ" The part of the message we keep failing to see. He didn't have all these tons of sorcery pharmacy drugs in his house just for giggles. Pure Genius!! But really just one who let God guide him down that straight and narrow!

Is it really true that the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations? (Revelation 22:2) Is it really true that the leaves are for medicine? (Ezekiel 47:12) Is it really true that the anointing oil breaks the yoke of our bondage? (Isaiah 10:27) Is it really true that Jesus taught his apostles to anoint the sick with oil? (Mark 6:13) Is it really true that a plant God gave us that has tons of potential to do good isn't allowed due to greed, hate, and racism? Is it really true that Matthew 7:18 says A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Is it really true that the field is wasted and the oil fails? (Joel 1:10) Is it true that oil might be a desirable treasure for a wise man? (Proverbs 21:20) Is it true that God will raise up for us a plant of renown? (Ezekiel 34:29) Is it true that if we obey and overcome that we are allowed to eat of the tree of life? (Revelation 2:7) Is it true that God told us a certain leaf would fade? (Jeremiah 8:13) Is it true that Jeremiah also said the herbs would wither? (Jeremiah 12:4) Is it true that prohibition against certain meats or herbs angers the Lord? (I Timothy 4:1-11) Is it really true that we are to study to show thyself approved? ( II Timothy 2:15) Is it really true that God made all herbs that yield seed and said that they are good? (Genesis 1:11-12, 29-30) Is it really true that your cup runs over once anointed with oil? (Psalm 23:5) Is it true that the wise men brought oil "the gold" to the birth of Jesus? (Matthew 2:11) Is it true that Jesus wants us to buy his gold? (Revelation 3:18) Is it really true that best medicine ever is the anointing oil? (Exodus 30:22-25) Is it true that James wrote to anoint the sick with the oil of the Lord? (James 5:14) Is it true that the anointing teaches us? (I John 2:20-27) Is it really true that the herb is for the service of men? (Psalm 104:14-15) Is it true that Jesus taught us to observe ALL things he taught? (Matthew 28:20) Is it true that oil was brought to the tomb where Jesus lay? (Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1, John 19:39-40) Is it true that the ones who does His commandments will have the right to the tree of life? (Revelation 22:14) Is it really true that we are deceived by sorcery and that sorcery is PHARMAKIA in original Hebrew language? (Revelation 18:23) Is it really true that the ointment of the Lord heals wounds, bruises, sores plus much more? (Isaiah 1:6) Is it true that sweet calamus,fragrant cane, fragrant calamus, aromatic cane, sweet smelling cane all translate out in original Hebrew to Kaneh-Bosm? Is it true that Kaneh-Bosm is the Hebrew world for Cannabis or Hemp Blossoms which was used in the anointing oil that was so broadly talked about in the Holy Bible but is silent in the Church today? Is it really true that cannabis is a plant that grows from a seed that God said was good? IT IS TRUE THAT THE FRUIT HEALS AND NOT KILLS!!!!GOD BLESS EVERYONE!!!!!! It is truly time to stand up and be bold about the Word of God and doing what he has commanded and demonstrated to us. We must wake up and realize the gift that we waste. There is no more time to waste. There is no longer no excuse for lack of knowledge. We are destroyed for lack of knowledge! ( Hosea 4:6) The cures to these diseases come from the Word and are wrote clear right between the pages of Scripture. Is it true that we are not being persecuted today because of our omission to do the things that Jesus did teach and command us to do? Faith is action that takes courage to use the knowledge given to obtain wisdom! All things are possible with GOD!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: mumof3 on September 10, 2010, 02:13:51 PM
Someone very close to me is addicted to pot and skunk we have a lot of problems with him he is paranoid and thinks everybody and I mean everybody is out to kill him I now feel his brain is wrecked it is terrible you can talk calmly to him and think everything is ok then the next day he asks why you gave him the secret messages of killing him
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 10, 2010, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana. Why? Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them. It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.

This is 100% accurate. NO WONDER it's illegal in the US. Ticks me off.

No wonder the US dislikes Holland, since you can buy pot here at almost every corner of the street and can smoke as much as you like here  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 10, 2010, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: "mumof3"
Someone very close to me is addicted to pot and skunk we have a lot of problems with him he is paranoid and thinks everybody and I mean everybody is out to kill him I now feel his brain is wrecked it is terrible you can talk calmly to him and think everything is ok then the next day he asks why you gave him the secret messages of killing him


Ok theres something more going on with this dude then smoking pot. And you cannot get addicted to pot, if you stop smoking abruptly, there are no side effects, you just might be a little cranky for a little while, but there are no side effects.

Here in Canada, you can not be charge with personal amounts of pot, it's on the way to becoming decriminalized. But amounts for trafficking is.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 10, 2010, 02:50:07 PM
A friend of mine has crones disease, shes had it for 20 years, but if she did'nt smoke everyday she would be in a very bad state, she has weened herself off the steroides that gave her so many bad side effects, and as far as I'm concerned keep on smokin'  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 03:05:53 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana. Why? Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them. It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.

This is 100% accurate. NO WONDER it's illegal in the US. Ticks me off.

No wonder the US dislikes Holland, since you can buy pot here at almost every corner of the street and can smoke as much as you like here  :lol:

Haha :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Like I said before...I'd like to move to Holland, please  :D
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 03:09:09 PM
Quote from: "Jude"
Quote from: "mumof3"
Someone very close to me is addicted to pot and skunk we have a lot of problems with him he is paranoid and thinks everybody and I mean everybody is out to kill him I now feel his brain is wrecked it is terrible you can talk calmly to him and think everything is ok then the next day he asks why you gave him the secret messages of killing him


Ok theres something more going on with this dude then smoking pot. And you cannot get addicted to pot, if you stop smoking abruptly, there are no side effects, you just might be a little cranky for a little while, but there are no side effects.

Here in Canada, you can not be charge with personal amounts of pot, it's on the way to becoming decriminalized. But amounts for trafficking is.

I agree, it's not the marijuana causing these things. Most likely, he's "addicted" because it helps him feel better from whatever mental issues are ailing him. Marijuana does NOT kill brain cells, that is one of many common myths about the plant.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: "Believe 777"
Hash oil cures cancer and many other illnesses! Please take the time to watch this video, it is an hour long but well worth it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/chrychek (http://www.youtube.com/user/chrychek)

Well worth it indeed! I know soooo many people that could benefit from this medicine. It's INSANE that there's such a negative stigma attached to it's use. THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT US is right.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: CC on September 10, 2010, 03:17:23 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana. Why? Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them. It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.

This is 100% accurate. NO WONDER it's illegal in the US. Ticks me off.

No wonder the US dislikes Holland, since you can buy pot here at almost every corner of the street and can smoke as much as you like here  :lol:

is funny because in my country you can have it for personal use ONLY... but not to make business....
i saw people who had smoked and after a while they are hungry and thirsty... maybe he use the marihuana to open his appetite
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 03:50:19 PM
Quote from: "CC"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana. Why? Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them. It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.

This is 100% accurate. NO WONDER it's illegal in the US. Ticks me off.

No wonder the US dislikes Holland, since you can buy pot here at almost every corner of the street and can smoke as much as you like here  :lol:

is funny because in my country you can have it for personal use ONLY... but not to make business....
i saw people who had smoked and after a while they are hungry and thirsty... maybe he use the marihuana to open his appetite

Yeah I've also struggled with weight issues due to my anxiety, In high school people thought I was anorexic because I got to be so thin. I wasn't anorexic, my problem wasn't with food. The problem was that I was so anxious and nervous all the time for no apparent reason that I simply wasn't hungry, didn't think about food. Marijuana doesn't make me super hungry it just takes aways the anxiety and gives me my appetite back. For me it has helped heal my natural state of being as well, I don't have to ingest marijuana as much to feel these effects. There's definitely spiritual changes that take place because of it, and those changes carry over into your normal state of consciousness. Kind of hard to explain, especially to people who do not use marijuana and even more so to those who look down upon it because of the reputation the MEDIA has created for it...

Imagine that.

It's illegal to have anything to do with marijuana in the US. It's ridiculous. You have to get drug tested to work virtually ANYWHERE, and you can get kicked out of the military. Knowing what I know now, it all makes sense. Can you imagine all the US soldiers using marijuana? That would lead to them all discovering the truth about the cage they are in and the evil agenda they are working for.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 10, 2010, 04:29:51 PM
OMG are we discussing pot  :lol: :lol:   Do I remember the time with that herb.  It was fun, fun, fun.  Now we are randomly drug tested at the j.o.b.  :(  It's drought season for me.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 10, 2010, 04:35:20 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "CC"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana. Why? Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them. It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.

This is 100% accurate. NO WONDER it's illegal in the US. Ticks me off.

No wonder the US dislikes Holland, since you can buy pot here at almost every corner of the street and can smoke as much as you like here  :lol:

is funny because in my country you can have it for personal use ONLY... but not to make business....
i saw people who had smoked and after a while they are hungry and thirsty... maybe he use the marihuana to open his appetite

Yeah I've also struggled with weight issues due to my anxiety, In high school people thought I was anorexic because I got to be so thin. I wasn't anorexic, my problem wasn't with food. The problem was that I was so anxious and nervous all the time for no apparent reason that I simply wasn't hungry, didn't think about food. Marijuana doesn't make me super hungry it just takes aways the anxiety and gives me my appetite back. For me it has helped heal my natural state of being as well, I don't have to ingest marijuana as much to feel these effects. itThere's definitely spiritual changes that take place because of it, and those changes carry over into your normal state of consciousness. Kind of hard to explain, especially to people who do not use marijuana and even more so to those who look down upon it because of the reputation the MEDIA has created for ...

Imagine that.

It's illegal to have anything to do with marijuana in the US. It's ridiculous. You have to get drug tested to work virtually ANYWHERE, and you can get kicked out of the military. Knowing what I know now, it all makes sense. Can you imagine all the US soldiers using marijuana? That would lead to them all discovering the truth about the cage they are in and the evil agenda they are working for.



I know exactly what you are saying here, I feel it's opens another level of consciousness one that can REALLY OPEN YOU EYES  :geek:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Stranger In Chi-town on September 10, 2010, 04:40:58 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "CC"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana. Why? Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them. It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.

This is 100% accurate. NO WONDER it's illegal in the US. Ticks me off.

No wonder the US dislikes Holland, since you can buy pot here at almost every corner of the street and can smoke as much as you like here  :lol:

is funny because in my country you can have it for personal use ONLY... but not to make business....
i saw people who had smoked and after a while they are hungry and thirsty... maybe he use the marihuana to open his appetite

Yeah I've also struggled with weight issues due to my anxiety, In high school people thought I was anorexic because I got to be so thin. I wasn't anorexic, my problem wasn't with food. The problem was that I was so anxious and nervous all the time for no apparent reason that I simply wasn't hungry, didn't think about food. Marijuana doesn't make me super hungry it just takes aways the anxiety and gives me my appetite back. For me it has helped heal my natural state of being as well, I don't have to ingest marijuana as much to feel these effects. There's definitely spiritual changes that take place because of it, and those changes carry over into your normal state of consciousness. Kind of hard to explain, especially to people who do not use marijuana and even more so to those who look down upon it because of the reputation the MEDIA has created for it...

Imagine that.

It's illegal to have anything to do with marijuana in the US. It's ridiculous. You have to get drug tested to work virtually ANYWHERE, and you can get kicked out of the military. Knowing what I know now, it all makes sense. Can you imagine all the US soldiers using marijuana? That would lead to them all discovering the truth about the cage they are in and the evil agenda they are working for.

Wow! I was told before that it gives one an appetite.
Possible that the drug has been vilified for many years by Media and Government.... guess it wouldn't hurt to try it...?  :?  :shock:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 10, 2010, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
OMG are we discussing pot  :lol: :lol:   Do I remember the time with that herb.  It was fun, fun, fun.  Now we are randomly drug tested at the j.o.b.  :(  It's drought season for me.



Baaaaaaaa :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

You know that reminds me that in a few places here with in the last 6 months or so, companys want drug testing too, it's the first time I have ever encounterd it, I wounder if the NWO has move up here all ready.

Well they can just go to hell  :lol: At least we can still tell the police to fuck off when we want.  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on September 10, 2010, 04:44:48 PM
Usually they give pot to people who have cancer on their last stage for calming the  pain.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
Usually they give pot to people who have cancer on their last stage for calming the  pain.

Yep, they don't give it to them in the first stages because that means they'd be healed and wouldn't need the treatment anymore...which translates to: less profit.

Here's another video about the healing properties of marijuana, how it can and DOES cure cancer, especially in the form of oil. Please watch, it's only 10 minutes long:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tghUh4ubbg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tghUh4ubbg)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 10, 2010, 04:56:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjFtB2zI ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjFtB2zIJ_c&feature=related)


This is funny  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: "Jude"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjFtB2zIJ_c&feature=related


This is funny  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 10, 2010, 05:15:40 PM
Her lips are smoother than OIL but that girl is dangerous. Ole Mary!  It is all about the oil. Jesus didn't teach the apostles to anoint with oil just for novelty. The Soldiers should be spreading the Word on this. But instead this issue on the MJ is a sticky one for hoax believers. We gotta understand that MJ is taking down our nasty Pharma drug business. It all is being revealed!!! Not much longer!!!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Andrea on September 10, 2010, 05:16:46 PM
[youtube:3gh6qqbh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VyIDIAsCTI[/youtube:3gh6qqbh]

This is hilarious!   :lol:

I would *puff puff pass* with all of you!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
Her lips are smoother than OIL but that girl is dangerous. Ole Mary!  It is all about the oil. Jesus didn't teach the apostles to anoint with oil just for novelty. The Soldiers should be spreading the Word on this. But instead this issue on the MJ is a sticky one for hoax believers. We gotta understand that MJ is taking down our nasty Pharma drug business. It all is being revealed!!! Not much longer!!!

I know what you mean. I tried talking to my mother about marijuana, and she looked at me like I was a satan worshipper  :lol:

Really though it's not very funny. It's extremely scary that people are this brainwashed about something that can save lives.

I think you're right. We need to be more open about it. No, everyone doesn't need to start smoking pot. But those who do shouldn't have to pretend they don't in fear of being judged. We should be sharing this information with others just like all the other information we have.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 10, 2010, 05:25:01 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
[youtube:2zp05sgb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VyIDIAsCTI[/youtube:2zp05sgb]

This is hilarious!   :lol:

I would *puff puff pass* with all of you!


OMG  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  I'm dyin' here  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 10, 2010, 05:28:09 PM
Quote from: "Jude"
Quote from: "Andrea"
[youtube:12vvps87]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VyIDIAsCTI[/youtube:12vvps87]

This is hilarious!   :lol:

I would *puff puff pass* with all of you!


OMG  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  I'm dyin' here  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

HAHA! Wowwww, that's an unexpected perk of the job  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 10, 2010, 05:29:01 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
Her lips are smoother than OIL but that girl is dangerous. Ole Mary!  It is all about the oil. Jesus didn't teach the apostles to anoint with oil just for novelty. The Soldiers should be spreading the Word on this. But instead this issue on the MJ is a sticky one for hoax believers. We gotta understand that MJ is taking down our nasty Pharma drug business. It all is being revealed!!! Not much longer!!!

I know what you mean. I tried talking to my mother about marijuana, and she looked at me like I was a satan worshipper  :lol:

Really though it's not very funny. It's extremely scary that people are this brainwashed about something that can save lives.

I think you're right. We need to be more open about it. No, everyone doesn't need to start smoking pot. But those who do shouldn't have to pretend they don't in fear of being judged. We should be sharing this information with others just like all the other information we have.


Well I'll be the first to admit it  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 10, 2010, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Jude"
Quote from: "Andrea"
[youtube:2lhh2tg8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VyIDIAsCTI[/youtube:2lhh2tg8]

This is hilarious!   :lol:

I would *puff puff pass* with all of you!


OMG  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  I'm dyin' here  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

HAHA! Wowwww, that's an unexpected perk of the job  :lol:


Just give him a bag of chips and he'll be fine  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 10, 2010, 08:56:04 PM
No we shouldn't all smoke it. We should learn the many other ways to use it. Smoking it burns 90% of the plants medicinal value. So people who are getting relief from smoking it are getting 10% of what they really could be getting in its pure oil extract form. So think of the possibilities. We all know what a little herb can do for people who are sick just by smoking it. But when the essential oil is taken from it and its in its purest form. It is like BAM then!!! It will destroy the "Pharma" industry and they know this and are afraid of this. Piece by Piece by Piece!!! Remember " The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations" Revelation 22:2
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 10, 2010, 09:04:49 PM

I think it would be hilarious to smoke a joint with Mike. His laugh is contagious and marijuana makes me laugh for hours before I fall asleep  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Andrea on September 11, 2010, 01:10:30 AM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
No we shouldn't all smoke it. We should learn the many other ways to use it. Smoking it burns 90% of the plants medicinal value. So people who are getting relief from smoking it are getting 10% of what they really could be getting in its pure oil extract form. So think of the possibilities. We all know what a little herb can do for people who are sick just by smoking it. But when the essential oil is taken from it and its in its purest form. It is like BAM then!!! It will destroy the "Pharma" industry and they know this and are afraid of this. Piece by Piece by Piece!!! Remember " The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations" Revelation 22:2

It's so very true that hemp oil has many, many health benefits.  Far better than any pharmaceutical medicines out there.  Anyone reading this should google hemp oil healing benefits or something along those lines, it's astounding what hemp oil can do and it's been used since ancient times.  And ya, the pharm companies don't want us knowing because it actually works.  They want us to pay huge money to keep the disease/illness manageable instead of actually curing it, so that we are constantly padding their bank accounts.  If anyone takes the time to look into the benefits of hemp oil, google urine therapy too....something everyone has their own free supply of!  

I believe hemp was poised to take over so many industries because it has so many amazing uses:
http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fasc ... bout-hemp/ (http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fascinating-facts-about-hemp/)

But the people who owned these industries (the "elite") knew their businesses were at a huge risk if people went with the more economical and natural choice of using hemp, so they gave it a bad name by associating hemp directly with "marijuana" and stopped hemp from going mainstream.  I honestly believe the Earth provides us with with everything we need which is why hemp can be used for so many things.  But the "elite" would rather use a ton more resources and pollute the planet while they're at it and take as much of our hard-earned money as they can.

If Michael deliberately left marijuana where he "died", then he has literally been trying to clue us in on so many things on such a huge scale that it boggles my mind - it's like he's covering everything that is wrong with the planet and the way things are being run.  He's raising awareness on so many levels, on so many topics.  I mean, how much do you think people have learned since coming to this site?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: CATlovesMJ on September 11, 2010, 03:50:14 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"

I think it would be hilarious to smoke a joint with Mike. His laugh is contagious and marijuana makes me laugh for hours before I fall asleep  :lol:
it would be great...I'm sure  they had one together!:D
(http://www.freewebs.com/innocentmichael/Michael%20with%20Bob%20Marley!!!.jpg)
This is Mike with Bob Marley in Jamaica (1975)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 11, 2010, 07:41:10 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"

I think it would be hilarious to smoke a joint with Mike. His laugh is contagious and marijuana makes me laugh for hours before I fall asleep  :lol:

Oh my gosh, hahaha, me too. That would be awesome. I get laugh attacks before bed where I canNOT stop laughing. I'll laugh until I start crying  :lol:  Feels so good to laugh like that (happens to me normally though too, whether marijuana is involved or not :lol: I am easily amused haha)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 11, 2010, 07:48:37 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
No we shouldn't all smoke it. We should learn the many other ways to use it. Smoking it burns 90% of the plants medicinal value. So people who are getting relief from smoking it are getting 10% of what they really could be getting in its pure oil extract form. So think of the possibilities. We all know what a little herb can do for people who are sick just by smoking it. But when the essential oil is taken from it and its in its purest form. It is like BAM then!!! It will destroy the "Pharma" industry and they know this and are afraid of this. Piece by Piece by Piece!!! Remember " The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations" Revelation 22:2

It's so very true that hemp oil has many, many health benefits.  Far better than any pharmaceutical medicines out there.  Anyone reading this should google hemp oil healing benefits or something along those lines, it's astounding what hemp oil can do and it's been used since ancient times.  And ya, the pharm companies don't want us knowing because it actually works.  They want us to pay huge money to keep the disease/illness manageable instead of actually curing it, so that we are constantly padding their bank accounts.  If anyone takes the time to look into the benefits of hemp oil, google urine therapy too....something everyone has their own free supply of!  

I believe hemp was poised to take over so many industries because it has so many amazing uses:
http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fasc ... bout-hemp/ (http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fascinating-facts-about-hemp/)

But the people who owned these industries (the "elite") knew their businesses were at a huge risk if people went with the more economical and natural choice of using hemp, so they gave it a bad name by associating hemp directly with "marijuana" and stopped hemp from going mainstream.  I honestly believe the Earth provides us with with everything we need which is why hemp can be used for so many things.  But the "elite" would rather use a ton more resources and pollute the planet while they're at it and take as much of our hard-earned money as they can.

If Michael deliberately left marijuana where he "died", then he has literally been trying to clue us in on so many things on such a huge scale that it boggles my mind - it's like he's covering everything that is wrong with the planet and the way things are being run.  He's raising awareness on so many levels, on so many topics.  I mean, how much do you think people have learned since coming to this site?

I agree with you guys for sure. I have leanred SO much about the reality we are living in, it's insanse.

As far as marijuana goes, I agree we should learn all the other ways to use it. The video I posted about hemp oil is absolutely amazing. It can cure cancer on the skin in just DAYS.

May I also suggest vaporizing :lol: It's my favorite. lol, but on a serious note, it is much healthier than smoking and higher THC levels are present, not to mention it's the most effiecient way to ingest it.

Like I said, not saying everyone should start using it. BUT if you have any physicial or emotional issues that you're being treated by a doctor for with medication, I would highly suggest trying it and getting off the meds. They are killing us all slowly (on purpose) if you didn't know...
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 11, 2010, 08:05:33 AM
Its all going to be good soon though! Remember we are putting that yellow ribbon around the tree. The prohibition of that plant is offsetting so many things that its really too much for people to grasp. All i know is that knowledge is power and its time to spread it everywhere.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ABeautifulMind on September 11, 2010, 09:37:44 AM
Smoking helps me alot. I suffer from migraines, bipolar disorder, and anxiety. When I don't
I'm in pain or freaking out.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 11, 2010, 10:11:52 AM
Quote from: "ABeautifulMind"
Smoking helps me alot. I suffer from migraines, bipolar disorder, and anxiety. When I don't
I'm in pain or freaking out.

I can relate!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: TheRunningGirl on September 11, 2010, 10:22:33 AM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana. Why? Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them. It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.

This is 100% accurate. NO WONDER it's illegal in the US. Ticks me off.

This is very true!  ;)
I love this representation of the brain on drugs by Back, couldn't resist sharing it:

With L.O.V.E
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Missyb007 on September 11, 2010, 12:12:32 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "~Souza~"

I think it would be hilarious to smoke a joint with Mike. His laugh is contagious and marijuana makes me laugh for hours before I fall asleep  :lol:

Oh my gosh, hahaha, me too. That would be awesome. I get laugh attacks before bed where I canNOT stop laughing. I'll laugh until I start crying  :lol:  Feels so good to laugh like that (happens to me normally though too, whether marijuana is involved or not :lol: I am easily amused haha)

May I *puff puff pass* it along with you? Let's go find him, the four of us could probably come up with a new Thriller song! lmao...! .. I'm a big fan of that 70's show, and as most people know they smoke weed a lot in that show, I think it would be hilarious to sit like that in the basement in a cirkle with Mike, writing down all the ideas we have for new songs, and see what we wrote down when we're "sober" again.. lmao.. :D
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 11, 2010, 12:56:11 PM
Quote from: "Missyb007"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "~Souza~"

I think it would be hilarious to smoke a joint with Mike. His laugh is contagious and marijuana makes me laugh for hours before I fall asleep  :lol:

Oh my gosh, hahaha, me too. That would be awesome. I get laugh attacks before bed where I canNOT stop laughing. I'll laugh until I start crying  :lol:  Feels so good to laugh like that (happens to me normally though too, whether marijuana is involved or not :lol: I am easily amused haha)

May I *puff puff pass* it along with you? Let's go find him, the four of us could probably come up with a new Thriller song! lmao...! .. I'm a big fan of that 70's show, and as most people know they smoke weed a lot in that show, I think it would be hilarious to sit like that in the basement in a cirkle with Mike, writing down all the ideas we have for new songs, and see what we wrote down when we're "sober" again.. lmao.. :D

I do that all the time :) Usually the stuff I write is genius, seriously.  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 11, 2010, 12:58:37 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
No we shouldn't all smoke it. We should learn the many other ways to use it. Smoking it burns 90% of the plants medicinal value. So people who are getting relief from smoking it are getting 10% of what they really could be getting in its pure oil extract form. So think of the possibilities. We all know what a little herb can do for people who are sick just by smoking it. But when the essential oil is taken from it and its in its purest form. It is like BAM then!!! It will destroy the "Pharma" industry and they know this and are afraid of this. Piece by Piece by Piece!!! Remember " The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations" Revelation 22:2

It's so very true that hemp oil has many, many health benefits.  Far better than any pharmaceutical medicines out there.  Anyone reading this should google hemp oil healing benefits or something along those lines, it's astounding what hemp oil can do and it's been used since ancient times.  And ya, the pharm companies don't want us knowing because it actually works.  They want us to pay huge money to keep the disease/illness manageable instead of actually curing it, so that we are constantly padding their bank accounts.  If anyone takes the time to look into the benefits of hemp oil, google urine therapy too....something everyone has their own free supply of!  

I believe hemp was poised to take over so many industries because it has so many amazing uses:
http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fasc ... bout-hemp/ (http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fascinating-facts-about-hemp/)

But the people who owned these industries (the "elite") knew their businesses were at a huge risk if people went with the more economical and natural choice of using hemp, so they gave it a bad name by associating hemp directly with "marijuana" and stopped hemp from going mainstream.  I honestly believe the Earth provides us with with everything we need which is why hemp can be used for so many things.  But the "elite" would rather use a ton more resources and pollute the planet while they're at it and take as much of our hard-earned money as they can.

If Michael deliberately left marijuana where he "died", then he has literally been trying to clue us in on so many things on such a huge scale that it boggles my mind - it's like he's covering everything that is wrong with the planet and the way things are being run.  He's raising awareness on so many levels, on so many topics.  I mean, how much do you think people have learned since coming to this site?

I agree with you guys for sure. I have leanred SO much about the reality we are living in, it's insanse.

As far as marijuana goes, I agree we should learn all the other ways to use it. The video I posted about hemp oil is absolutely amazing. It can cure cancer on the skin in just DAYS.

May I also suggest vaporizing :lol: It's my favorite. lol, but on a serious note, it is much healthier than smoking and higher THC levels are present, not to mention it's the most effiecient way to ingest it.

Like I said, not saying everyone should start using it. BUT if you have any physicial or emotional issues that you're being treated by a doctor for with medication, I would highly suggest trying it and getting off the meds. They are killing us all slowly (on purpose) if you didn't know...



I can't believe so many of us here like to smoke  :lol: I like to know more about the vaporizing, if you want you can pm me, or if the admins don't mind to put it here, it would benifit more of us, and thats the idea right?

peace
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Andrea on September 11, 2010, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: "Jude"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
No we shouldn't all smoke it. We should learn the many other ways to use it. Smoking it burns 90% of the plants medicinal value. So people who are getting relief from smoking it are getting 10% of what they really could be getting in its pure oil extract form. So think of the possibilities. We all know what a little herb can do for people who are sick just by smoking it. But when the essential oil is taken from it and its in its purest form. It is like BAM then!!! It will destroy the "Pharma" industry and they know this and are afraid of this. Piece by Piece by Piece!!! Remember " The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations" Revelation 22:2

It's so very true that hemp oil has many, many health benefits.  Far better than any pharmaceutical medicines out there.  Anyone reading this should google hemp oil healing benefits or something along those lines, it's astounding what hemp oil can do and it's been used since ancient times.  And ya, the pharm companies don't want us knowing because it actually works.  They want us to pay huge money to keep the disease/illness manageable instead of actually curing it, so that we are constantly padding their bank accounts.  If anyone takes the time to look into the benefits of hemp oil, google urine therapy too....something everyone has their own free supply of!  

I believe hemp was poised to take over so many industries because it has so many amazing uses:
http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fasc ... bout-hemp/ (http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fascinating-facts-about-hemp/)

But the people who owned these industries (the "elite") knew their businesses were at a huge risk if people went with the more economical and natural choice of using hemp, so they gave it a bad name by associating hemp directly with "marijuana" and stopped hemp from going mainstream.  I honestly believe the Earth provides us with with everything we need which is why hemp can be used for so many things.  But the "elite" would rather use a ton more resources and pollute the planet while they're at it and take as much of our hard-earned money as they can.

If Michael deliberately left marijuana where he "died", then he has literally been trying to clue us in on so many things on such a huge scale that it boggles my mind - it's like he's covering everything that is wrong with the planet and the way things are being run.  He's raising awareness on so many levels, on so many topics.  I mean, how much do you think people have learned since coming to this site?

I agree with you guys for sure. I have leanred SO much about the reality we are living in, it's insanse.

As far as marijuana goes, I agree we should learn all the other ways to use it. The video I posted about hemp oil is absolutely amazing. It can cure cancer on the skin in just DAYS.

May I also suggest vaporizing :lol: It's my favorite. lol, but on a serious note, it is much healthier than smoking and higher THC levels are present, not to mention it's the most effiecient way to ingest it.

Like I said, not saying everyone should start using it. BUT if you have any physicial or emotional issues that you're being treated by a doctor for with medication, I would highly suggest trying it and getting off the meds. They are killing us all slowly (on purpose) if you didn't know...



I can't believe so many of us here like to smoke  :lol: I like to know more about the vaporizing, if you want you can pm me, or if the admins don't mind to put it here, it would benifit more of us, and thats the idea right?

peace

Hey Jude...I'm Canadian and us Canadians love the green!  Not that I speak for all Canadians obviously but I have heard the term "stoned like a Canadian" before, which is kinda funny and true.  :lol:   And it makes sense that so many of us on here smoke it - our minds are more open to all the possibilities!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 11, 2010, 06:26:52 PM
Smoking cannabis isn't harmful to the lungs which has been proven time and time again. It is by far the fastest way to alleviate pain. Vaporizing though is where it becomes a art. Especially on them volcano vapes, where you choose the temp. It is to deep to explain and i wouldn't be to good at trying. The Oil is where it is at though. You got a sore knee? Rub some oil on it. Shoulder just won't quit hurting. Oil that thang down. Cannabis oil is 5million times more important to our body than the importance of changing the oil in your car every 3000 miles. It proven to cure and do so much. But SSSHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone. They want everyone lining up to get their flu shots is all 'they' are worried about. Ohh yea the oil will kick a flu to another solar system!!!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Okay Annie on September 11, 2010, 07:53:09 PM
The other thought I had was maybe it wasn't Michael's. There's that Doubles Theroy or that somebody else, a terminally ill person died in Michael's place. Maybe the MaryJ belong to this other person.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 11, 2010, 08:36:27 PM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
Smoking cannabis isn't harmful to the lungs which has been proven time and time again. It is by far the fastest way to alleviate pain. Vaporizing though is where it becomes a art. Especially on them volcano vapes, where you choose the temp. It is to deep to explain and i wouldn't be to good at trying. The Oil is where it is at though. You got a sore knee? Rub some oil on it. Shoulder just won't quit hurting. Oil that thang down. Cannabis oil is 5million times more important to our body than the importance of changing the oil in your car every 3000 miles. It proven to cure and do so much. But SSSHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone. They want everyone lining up to get their flu shots is all 'they' are worried about. Ohh yea the oil will kick a flu to another solar system!!!

Amen!!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on September 11, 2010, 08:54:23 PM
Well I'll have to go to Holland some day to smoke in peace, if I happen to do it in my house as my neighbors probably call the police. :lol:
                                                   


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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on September 11, 2010, 10:23:12 PM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
Smoking cannabis isn't harmful to the lungs which has been proven time and time again. It is by far the fastest way to alleviate pain. Vaporizing though is where it becomes a art. Especially on them volcano vapes, where you choose the temp. It is to deep to explain and i wouldn't be to good at trying. The Oil is where it is at though. You got a sore knee? Rub some oil on it. Shoulder just won't quit hurting. Oil that thang down. Cannabis oil is 5million times more important to our body than the importance of changing the oil in your car every 3000 miles. It proven to cure and do so much. But SSSHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone. They want everyone lining up to get their flu shots is all 'they' are worried about. Ohh yea the oil will kick a flu to another solar system!!!


The underlined statement above is not accurate as there is just as much research indicating that cannabis does have adverse effects on the lungs as there is research indicating that it doesn't.  I have read several articles in medical journals that indicate that chronic marijuana smoking can affect pulmonary function.  I will briefly outline 3 of them below.  Although most of the studies I have read do acknowledge inconsistencies as to whether or not cannabis can cause lung cancer, they also acknowledge that cannabis produces more tar than tobacco.  One of the studies that outlines this info is an older article from 1993 in The Western Journal of Medicine.  However a more recent (2008) article in the European Respiratory Journal indicates that both the levels of carbon monoxide and carcinogens inhaled through cannabis are actually higher than those inhaled through tobacco.  Another article (2003) from the British Medical Journal compared cannabis and tobacco and found that tar is produced lower in the lungs than tobacco because cannabis is usually inhaled more deeply and held in longer than tobacco inhalations.  When smoked habitually, both cannabis and tobacco can lead to respiratory problems, primarily chronic bronchitis.  However I would also like to note that this article did conclude that there is no definitive link between cannabis and cancer.  It was suggested that this is because of the additional chemicals and toxins added to cigarettes.  

Obviously the effects aren't going to be the same for everyone, just as chronic cigarette smoking doesn't affect everyone the same way.  For example, I've had 2 chronic cigarette smoking family members below the age of 45 die from lung cancer, but I have also had chronic cigarette smoking relatives live into their 80's and 90's.  Perhaps the real issue is a genetic one, but nonetheless inhaling smoke of any kind habitually can be harmful in the long run.

I would also like to point out that I have nothing against smoking marijuana and I have done it many times myself.  If I wasn't an asthmatic I would even consider doing it more often.  I also think it should be decriminalized more than it already is and I would like to see medical marijuana legalized everywhere.  I just also think it should be recognized that marijuana, like tobacco, can affect lung function in some people if smoked habitually over a long period of time.  That's all.  Peace.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 11, 2010, 10:25:21 PM
Geez where can I get some of that oil :?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: RK on September 11, 2010, 11:17:55 PM
Today's hydroponic smoko is so much stronger than what we used back in the 70's. Is it from being grown in hot house environments with artificial lighting?   Is it being injected or mixed with something much more hallucinogenic and possibily addictive?  I have not smoked dope since I became a mother (1979) but my old hippie of a husband tells me this new gear is way more powerful than what I have ever experienced and is not the plant that we all grew in amongst our vegie gardens.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 12, 2010, 12:36:23 AM
Quote from: "RK"
Today's hydroponic smoko is so much stronger than what we used back in the 70's. Is it from being grown in hot house environments with artificial lighting?   Is it being injected or mixed with something much more hallucinogenic and possibily addictive?  I have not smoked dope since I became a mother (1979) but my old hippie of a husband tells me this new gear is way more powerful than what I have ever experienced and is not the plant that we all grew in amongst our vegie gardens.


The hydro is somewhat ' wacky ' , sometimes, but the benifets out weigh.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 12, 2010, 12:46:46 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "Jude"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
No we shouldn't all smoke it. We should learn the many other ways to use it. Smoking it burns 90% of the plants medicinal value. So people who are getting relief from smoking it are getting 10% of what they really could be getting in its pure oil extract form. So think of the possibilities. We all know what a little herb can do for people who are sick just by smoking it. But when the essential oil is taken from it and its in its purest form. It is like BAM then!!! It will destroy the "Pharma" industry and they know this and are afraid of this. Piece by Piece by Piece!!! Remember " The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations" Revelation 22:2

It's so very true that hemp oil has many, many health benefits.  Far better than any pharmaceutical medicines out there.  Anyone reading this should google hemp oil healing benefits or something along those lines, it's astounding what hemp oil can do and it's been used since ancient times.  And ya, the pharm companies don't want us knowing because it actually works.  They want us to pay huge money to keep the disease/illness manageable instead of actually curing it, so that we are constantly padding their bank accounts.  If anyone takes the time to look into the benefits of hemp oil, google urine therapy too....something everyone has their own free supply of!  

I believe hemp was poised to take over so many industries because it has so many amazing uses:
http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fasc ... bout-hemp/ (http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fascinating-facts-about-hemp/)

But the people who owned these industries (the "elite") knew their businesses were at a huge risk if people went with the more economical and natural choice of using hemp, so they gave it a bad name by associating hemp directly with "marijuana" and stopped hemp from going mainstream.  I honestly believe the Earth provides us with with everything we need which is why hemp can be used for so many things.  But the "elite" would rather use a ton more resources and pollute the planet while they're at it and take as much of our hard-earned money as they can.

If Michael deliberately left marijuana where he "died", then he has literally been trying to clue us in on so many things on such a huge scale that it boggles my mind - it's like he's covering everything that is wrong with the planet and the way things are being run.  He's raising awareness on so many levels, on so many topics.  I mean, how much do you think people have learned since coming to this site?

I agree with you guys for sure. I have leanred SO much about the reality we are living in, it's insanse.

As far as marijuana goes, I agree we should learn all the other ways to use it. The video I posted about hemp oil is absolutely amazing. It can cure cancer on the skin in just DAYS.

May I also suggest vaporizing :lol: It's my favorite. lol, but on a serious note, it is much healthier than smoking and higher THC levels are present, not to mention it's the most effiecient way to ingest it.

Like I said, not saying everyone should start using it. BUT if you have any physicial or emotional issues that you're being treated by a doctor for with medication, I would highly suggest trying it and getting off the meds. They are killing us all slowly (on purpose) if you didn't know...



I can't believe so many of us here like to smoke  :lol: I like to know more about the vaporizing, if you want you can pm me, or if the admins don't mind to put it here, it would benifit more of us, and thats the idea right?

peace

Hey Jude...I'm Canadian and us Canadians love the green!  Not that I speak for all Canadians obviously but I have heard the term "stoned like a Canadian" before, which is kinda funny and true.  :lol:   And it makes sense that so many of us on here smoke it - our minds are more open to all the possibilities!!!!  ;)


Hey Angie
that vid you posted, Ima telling you I bust a gut  :lol: I played it over and over  :lol:
and ya we canuckes love the green, theres no doubt  :lol: I mean c'mon there ain't nothing more civalized the a good glow  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: 2MuchMJLuv on September 12, 2010, 01:39:15 AM
I've been smoking with the wrong crew because it does absolutely nothing for me but make me sleepy too. Hmmmm, it's time for a meet-up.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on September 12, 2010, 10:59:53 AM
GM marijuana Illegal growers warn against seed laboratory for its harmful effects on health

Marijuana has not got rid of laboratory experiments. Growers clandestine drug alert the introduction of genetically modified seeds, called "skun", which accelerate the growth of plants and causes, say proponents of natural cannabis, very harmful effects on consumers.

November is the month of the harvest of marijuana. Climate has accompanied this year and the collection is especially abundant in the Segrià, bringing together optimal conditions for the cultivation of this drug. Lleida province welcomes several authorized plantations (controlled by the Guardia Civil) opiates and cannabis that results in derivative pharmacists and hemp for industrial use

Pepe added that people choose increasingly by the autocultivo "to avoid resorting to dubious foreign market". This cultivator of cannabis, accustomed to circumvent the policing and fool the "rustlers" that run through clandestine farms at night to steal plants, is now displayed particularly concerned about the appearance of transgenic marijuana.

"Called what skun and you get a variety of seed created in Dutch and Swiss laboratories.??" "These seeds are sold in specialty stores and you can also buy them online," explained Pepe. The "skun" plant is much more powerful before an adverse weather and grows in just three months, when in a natural harvest are needed between eight and nine months for the product. "All youth currently buys and grown without problems these genetically modified seeds, continues the Baix Segrià farmer. "The problem - added - is that this plant is protected to produce a resin containing some psychoactive more powerful and, therefore, very harmful to health."

Pepe has a very particular theory thereon. "Natural marijuana helps the person to be open, and this GM closes, leaves you blocked." This clandestine grower defends natural cultivation and regrets that the proliferation of these transgenic seeds among younger will not just help the legalization of the drug at a time when natural cannabis medicinal qualities are highly topical.


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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on September 12, 2010, 12:16:04 PM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
I have tryed and tryed on here to tell everyone that MJ is freeing the MJ. Who is the girl he always talked about. What girl is Invincible? What girl is dangerous? Should we trust MJ over morphine? You bet! Strange disease with no cure, HAHA he said.   "MJ" Michael the archangel reveals and is the trumpet blower for the tree of life. I know the redirects sometimes go to bible verses. Can anyone disprove any of these verses or information. Just remember its a demonstration for freedom. What is in prison that must be freed? "MJ" The part of the message we keep failing to see. He didn't have all these tons of sorcery pharmacy drugs in his house just for giggles. Pure Genius!! But really just one who let God guide him down that straight and narrow!

Is it really true that the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations? (Revelation 22:2) Is it really true that the leaves are for medicine? (Ezekiel 47:12) Is it really true that the anointing oil breaks the yoke of our bondage? (Isaiah 10:27) Is it really true that Jesus taught his apostles to anoint the sick with oil? (Mark 6:13) Is it really true that a plant God gave us that has tons of potential to do good isn't allowed due to greed, hate, and racism? Is it really true that Matthew 7:18 says A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Is it really true that the field is wasted and the oil fails? (Joel 1:10) Is it true that oil might be a desirable treasure for a wise man? (Proverbs 21:20) Is it true that God will raise up for us a plant of renown? (Ezekiel 34:29) Is it true that if we obey and overcome that we are allowed to eat of the tree of life? (Revelation 2:7) Is it true that God told us a certain leaf would fade? (Jeremiah 8:13) Is it true that Jeremiah also said the herbs would wither? (Jeremiah 12:4) Is it true that prohibition against certain meats or herbs angers the Lord? (I Timothy 4:1-11) Is it really true that we are to study to show thyself approved? ( II Timothy 2:15) Is it really true that God made all herbs that yield seed and said that they are good? (Genesis 1:11-12, 29-30) Is it really true that your cup runs over once anointed with oil? (Psalm 23:5) Is it true that the wise men brought oil "the gold" to the birth of Jesus? (Matthew 2:11) Is it true that Jesus wants us to buy his gold? (Revelation 3:18) Is it really true that best medicine ever is the anointing oil? (Exodus 30:22-25) Is it true that James wrote to anoint the sick with the oil of the Lord? (James 5:14) Is it true that the anointing teaches us? (I John 2:20-27) Is it really true that the herb is for the service of men? (Psalm 104:14-15) Is it true that Jesus taught us to observe ALL things he taught? (Matthew 28:20) Is it true that oil was brought to the tomb where Jesus lay? (Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1, John 19:39-40) Is it true that the ones who does His commandments will have the right to the tree of life? (Revelation 22:14) Is it really true that we are deceived by sorcery and that sorcery is PHARMAKIA in original Hebrew language? (Revelation 18:23) Is it really true that the ointment of the Lord heals wounds, bruises, sores plus much more? (Isaiah 1:6) Is it true that sweet calamus,fragrant cane, fragrant calamus, aromatic cane, sweet smelling cane all translate out in original Hebrew to Kaneh-Bosm? Is it true that Kaneh-Bosm is the Hebrew world for Cannabis or Hemp Blossoms which was used in the anointing oil that was so broadly talked about in the Holy Bible but is silent in the Church today? Is it really true that cannabis is a plant that grows from a seed that God said was good? IT IS TRUE THAT THE FRUIT HEALS AND NOT KILLS!!!!GOD BLESS EVERYONE!!!!!! It is truly time to stand up and be bold about the Word of God and doing what he has commanded and demonstrated to us. We must wake up and realize the gift that we waste. There is no more time to waste. There is no longer no excuse for lack of knowledge. We are destroyed for lack of knowledge! ( Hosea 4:6) The cures to these diseases come from the Word and are wrote clear right between the pages of Scripture. Is it true that we are not being persecuted today because of our omission to do the things that Jesus did teach and command us to do? Faith is action that takes courage to use the knowledge given to obtain wisdom! All things are possible with GOD!
am i understanding you to say that this hoax was done to get marijuana legalized ?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 12, 2010, 12:25:02 PM
OMG :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: RK on September 12, 2010, 12:27:50 PM
Rastafarian?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: applehead250609 on September 12, 2010, 12:43:08 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
I have tryed and tryed on here to tell everyone that MJ is freeing the MJ. Who is the girl he always talked about. What girl is Invincible? What girl is dangerous? Should we trust MJ over morphine? You bet! Strange disease with no cure, HAHA he said. "MJ" Michael the archangel reveals and is the trumpet blower for the tree of life. I know the redirects sometimes go to bible verses. Can anyone disprove any of these verses or information. Just remember its a demonstration for freedom. What is in prison that must be freed? "MJ" The part of the message we keep failing to see. He didn't have all these tons of sorcery pharmacy drugs in his house just for giggles. Pure Genius!! But really just one who let God guide him down that straight and narrow!

Is it really true that the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations? (Revelation 22:2) Is it really true that the leaves are for medicine? (Ezekiel 47:12) Is it really true that the anointing oil breaks the yoke of our bondage? (Isaiah 10:27) Is it really true that Jesus taught his apostles to anoint the sick with oil? (Mark 6:13) Is it really true that a plant God gave us that has tons of potential to do good isn't allowed due to greed, hate, and racism? Is it really true that Matthew 7:18 says A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Is it really true that the field is wasted and the oil fails? (Joel 1:10) Is it true that oil might be a desirable treasure for a wise man? (Proverbs 21:20) Is it true that God will raise up for us a plant of renown? (Ezekiel 34:29) Is it true that if we obey and overcome that we are allowed to eat of the tree of life? (Revelation 2:7) Is it true that God told us a certain leaf would fade? (Jeremiah 8:13) Is it true that Jeremiah also said the herbs would wither? (Jeremiah 12:4) Is it true that prohibition against certain meats or herbs angers the Lord? (I Timothy 4:1-11) Is it really true that we are to study to show thyself approved? ( II Timothy 2:15) Is it really true that God made all herbs that yield seed and said that they are good? (Genesis 1:11-12, 29-30) Is it really true that your cup runs over once anointed with oil? (Psalm 23:5) Is it true that the wise men brought oil "the gold" to the birth of Jesus? (Matthew 2:11) Is it true that Jesus wants us to buy his gold? (Revelation 3:18) Is it really true that best medicine ever is the anointing oil? (Exodus 30:22-25) Is it true that James wrote to anoint the sick with the oil of the Lord? (James 5:14) Is it true that the anointing teaches us? (I John 2:20-27) Is it really true that the herb is for the service of men? (Psalm 104:14-15) Is it true that Jesus taught us to observe ALL things he taught? (Matthew 28:20) Is it true that oil was brought to the tomb where Jesus lay? (Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1, John 19:39-40) Is it true that the ones who does His commandments will have the right to the tree of life? (Revelation 22:14) Is it really true that we are deceived by sorcery and that sorcery is PHARMAKIA in original Hebrew language? (Revelation 18:23) Is it really true that the ointment of the Lord heals wounds, bruises, sores plus much more? (Isaiah 1:6) Is it true that sweet calamus,fragrant cane, fragrant calamus, aromatic cane, sweet smelling cane all translate out in original Hebrew to Kaneh-Bosm? Is it true that Kaneh-Bosm is the Hebrew world for Cannabis or Hemp Blossoms which was used in the anointing oil that was so broadly talked about in the Holy Bible but is silent in the Church today? Is it really true that cannabis is a plant that grows from a seed that God said was good? IT IS TRUE THAT THE FRUIT HEALS AND NOT KILLS!!!!GOD BLESS EVERYONE!!!!!! It is truly time to stand up and be bold about the Word of God and doing what he has commanded and demonstrated to us. We must wake up and realize the gift that we waste. There is no more time to waste. There is no longer no excuse for lack of knowledge. We are destroyed for lack of knowledge! ( Hosea 4:6) The cures to these diseases come from the Word and are wrote clear right between the pages of Scripture. Is it true that we are not being persecuted today because of our omission to do the things that Jesus did teach and command us to do? Faith is action that takes courage to use the knowledge given to obtain wisdom! All things are possible with GOD!
am i understanding you to say that this hoax was done to get marijuana legalized ?

Suspicious mind I LOVE YOU MORE!!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :D

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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on September 12, 2010, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
Her lips are smoother than OIL but that girl is dangerous. Ole Mary!  It is all about the oil. Jesus didn't teach the apostles to anoint with oil just for novelty. The Soldiers should be spreading the Word on this. But instead this issue on the MJ is a sticky one for hoax believers. We gotta understand that MJ is taking down our nasty Pharma drug business. It all is being revealed!!! Not much longer!!!

seems i had overlooked this post before making mine.
as one having just lost a sister from what i am sure was a combination of smoking tobacco for many years and the added combination of anti- anxiety meds i do see what you mean. but i also see the direction the thread went also.
there are many herbs and leaves ect . that are better alturnatives to the synthetics that are being shoved down peoples throats.
as for the leaves and herbs and oils. yeah there is a way to use them that is benificial and ways that are not.as with everything there is a blessing and a curse.the catch 22 is that one way or another it is about money ; the conflick always seems to be about whose making it.

i also don't believe every divation from what some group of poeple call normal deserves to be changed (eccentricities, mood, personallity traits are not conviently taken as symptom).
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on September 12, 2010, 01:11:57 PM
Quote from: "applehead250609"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
I have tryed and tryed on here to tell everyone that MJ is freeing the MJ. Who is the girl he always talked about. What girl is Invincible? What girl is dangerous? Should we trust MJ over morphine? You bet! Strange disease with no cure, HAHA he said. "MJ" Michael the archangel reveals and is the trumpet blower for the tree of life. I know the redirects sometimes go to bible verses. Can anyone disprove any of these verses or information. Just remember its a demonstration for freedom. What is in prison that must be freed? "MJ" The part of the message we keep failing to see. He didn't have all these tons of sorcery pharmacy drugs in his house just for giggles. Pure Genius!! But really just one who let God guide him down that straight and narrow!

Is it really true that the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations? (Revelation 22:2) Is it really true that the leaves are for medicine? (Ezekiel 47:12) Is it really true that the anointing oil breaks the yoke of our bondage? (Isaiah 10:27) Is it really true that Jesus taught his apostles to anoint the sick with oil? (Mark 6:13) Is it really true that a plant God gave us that has tons of potential to do good isn't allowed due to greed, hate, and racism? Is it really true that Matthew 7:18 says A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Is it really true that the field is wasted and the oil fails? (Joel 1:10) Is it true that oil might be a desirable treasure for a wise man? (Proverbs 21:20) Is it true that God will raise up for us a plant of renown? (Ezekiel 34:29) Is it true that if we obey and overcome that we are allowed to eat of the tree of life? (Revelation 2:7) Is it true that God told us a certain leaf would fade? (Jeremiah 8:13) Is it true that Jeremiah also said the herbs would wither? (Jeremiah 12:4) Is it true that prohibition against certain meats or herbs angers the Lord? (I Timothy 4:1-11) Is it really true that we are to study to show thyself approved? ( II Timothy 2:15) Is it really true that God made all herbs that yield seed and said that they are good? (Genesis 1:11-12, 29-30) Is it really true that your cup runs over once anointed with oil? (Psalm 23:5) Is it true that the wise men brought oil "the gold" to the birth of Jesus? (Matthew 2:11) Is it true that Jesus wants us to buy his gold? (Revelation 3:18) Is it really true that best medicine ever is the anointing oil? (Exodus 30:22-25) Is it true that James wrote to anoint the sick with the oil of the Lord? (James 5:14) Is it true that the anointing teaches us? (I John 2:20-27) Is it really true that the herb is for the service of men? (Psalm 104:14-15) Is it true that Jesus taught us to observe ALL things he taught? (Matthew 28:20) Is it true that oil was brought to the tomb where Jesus lay? (Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1, John 19:39-40) Is it true that the ones who does His commandments will have the right to the tree of life? (Revelation 22:14) Is it really true that we are deceived by sorcery and that sorcery is PHARMAKIA in original Hebrew language? (Revelation 18:23) Is it really true that the ointment of the Lord heals wounds, bruises, sores plus much more? (Isaiah 1:6) Is it true that sweet calamus,fragrant cane, fragrant calamus, aromatic cane, sweet smelling cane all translate out in original Hebrew to Kaneh-Bosm? Is it true that Kaneh-Bosm is the Hebrew world for Cannabis or Hemp Blossoms which was used in the anointing oil that was so broadly talked about in the Holy Bible but is silent in the Church today? Is it really true that cannabis is a plant that grows from a seed that God said was good? IT IS TRUE THAT THE FRUIT HEALS AND NOT KILLS!!!!GOD BLESS EVERYONE!!!!!! It is truly time to stand up and be bold about the Word of God and doing what he has commanded and demonstrated to us. We must wake up and realize the gift that we waste. There is no more time to waste. There is no longer no excuse for lack of knowledge. We are destroyed for lack of knowledge! ( Hosea 4:6) The cures to these diseases come from the Word and are wrote clear right between the pages of Scripture. Is it true that we are not being persecuted today because of our omission to do the things that Jesus did teach and command us to do? Faith is action that takes courage to use the knowledge given to obtain wisdom! All things are possible with GOD!
am i understanding you to say that this hoax was done to get marijuana legalized ?

Suspicious mind I LOVE YOU MORE!!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :D

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i am not quite sure how you meant this but let me just say this

 i love you mmmmmooooooooooosssssssssttttttttttttttttt
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 12, 2010, 05:38:01 PM
HEMP IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE BILLIONAIRES WANT TO REMAIN BILLIONAIRES!

THE TRICKS

Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.


MEDIA MANIPULATION

A media blitz of 'yellow journalism' raged in the late 1920s and 1930s. Hearst's newspapers ran stories emphasizing the horrors of marihuana. The menace of marihuana made headlines. Readers learned that it was responsible for everything from car accidents to loose morality.

Films like 'Reefer Madness' (1936), 'Marihuana: Assassin of Youth' (1935) and 'Marihuana: The Devil's Weed' (1936) were propaganda designed by these industrialists to create an enemy. Their purpose was to gain public support so that anti-marihuana laws could be passed.

Examine the following quotes from 'The Burning Question' aka REEFER
MADNESS:
*a violent narcotic.
*acts of shocking violence.
*incurable insanity.
*soul-destroying effects.
*under the influence of the drug he killed his entire family with an axe.
*more vicious, more deadly even than these soul-destroying drugs (heroin, cocaine) is the menace of marihuana!

Reefer Madness did not end with the usual 'the end.' The film concluded with these words plastered on the screen: TELL YOUR CHILDREN.

In the 1930s, people were very naive; even to the point of ignorance. The masses were like sheep waiting to be led by the few in power. They did not challenge authority. If the news was in print or on the radio, they believed it had to be true. They told their children and their children grew up to be the parents of the baby-boomers.

On April 14, 1937, the Prohibitive Marihuana Tax Law or the bill that outlawed hemp was directly brought to the House Ways and Means Committee. This committee is the only one that can introduce a bill to the House floor without it being debated by other committees. The Chairman of the Ways and Means, Robert Doughton, was a Dupont supporter. He insured that the bill would pass Congress.

Dr. James Woodward, a physician and attorney, testified too late on behalf of the American Medical Association. He told the committee that the reason the AMA had not denounced the Marihuana Tax Law sooner was that the Association had just discovered that marihuana was/is hemp.

Few people, at the time, realized that the deadly menace they had been reading about on Hearst's front pages was in fact passive hemp. The AMA understood hemp to be a MEDICINE found in numerous healing products sold over the last hundred years.

In September of 1937, hemp became illegal. The most useful crop known became a drug and our planet has been suffering ever since.

Congress banned hemp because it was said to be the most violence-causing drug known. Anslinger, head of the Drug Commission for 31 years, promoted the idea that marihuana made users act extremely violent. In the 1950s, under the Communist threat of McCarthyism, Anslinger now said the exact opposite. Marijuana will pacify you so much that soldiers would not want to fight.

Today, our planet is in desperate trouble. Earth is suffocating as large tracts of rain forests disappear. Pollution, poisons and chemicals are killing people. These great problems could be reversed if we industrialized hemp. Natural biomass could provide all of the planet's energy needs that are currently supplied by fossil fuels. We have consumed 80% of our oil and gas reserves. We need a renewable resource. Hemp could be the solution to soaring gas prices.


THE WONDER PLANT

Hemp has a higher quality fiber than wood fiber. Far fewer caustic chemicals are required to make paper from hemp than from trees. Hemp paper does not turn yellow and is very durable. The plant grows quickly to maturity in a season where trees take a lifetime.

ALL PLASTIC PRODUCTS SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP SEED OIL. Hempen plastics are biodegradable! Over time, they would break down and not harm the environment. Oil-based plastics, the ones we are very familiar with, help ruin nature; they do not break down and will do great harm in the future. The process to produce the vast array of natural (hempen) plastics will not ruin the rivers as Dupont and other petrochemical companies have done. Ecology does not fit in with the plans of the Oil Industry and the political machine. Hemp products are safe and natural.

MEDICINES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP. We should go back to the days when the AMA supported hemp cures. 'Medical Marijuana' is given out legally to only a handful of people while the rest of us are forced into a system that relies on chemicals. Hemp is only healthy for the human body.

WORLD HUNGER COULD END. A large variety of food products can be generated from hemp. The seeds contain one of the highest sources of protein in nature. ALSO: They have two essential fatty acids that clean your body of cholesterol. These essential fatty acids are not found anywhere else in nature! Consuming hemp seeds is the best thing you could do for your body. Eat uncooked hemp seeds.

CLOTHES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP. Hemp clothing is extremely strong and durable over time. You could hand clothing, made from hemp, down to your grandchildren. Today, there are American companies that make hemp clothing; usually 50% hemp. Hemp fabrics should be everywhere. Instead, they are almost underground. Superior hemp products are not allowed to advertise on fascist television. Kentucky, once the top hemp producing state, made it ILLEGAL TO WEAR hemp clothing! Can you imagine being thrown into jail for wearing quality jeans?

The world is crazy...but that does not mean you have to join the insanity. Get together. Spread the news. Tell people, and that includes your children, the truth. Use hemp products. Eliminate the word 'marijuana.' Realize the history that created it. Make it politically incorrect to say or print the M-word. Fight against the propaganda (designed to favor the agenda of the super rich) and the bullshit. Hemp must be utilized in the future. We need a clean energy source to save our planet. INDUSTRIALIZE HEMP!

The liquor, tobacco and oil companies fund more than a million dollars a day to Partnership for a Drug-Free America and other similar agencies. We have all seen their commercials. Now, their motto is: 'It's more dangerous than we thought.' Lies from the powerful corporations, that began with Hearst, are still alive and well today.

The brainwashing continues. Now, the commercials say: If you buy a joint, you contribute to murders and gang wars. The latest anti-hemp commercials say: If you buy a joint...you are promoting TERRORISM! The new enemy (terrorism) has paved the road to brainwash you any way THEY see fit.

There is only one enemy; the friendly people you pay your taxes to; the war-makers and nature destroyers. With your funding, they are killing the world right in front of your eyes. HALF A MILLION DEATHS EACH YEAR ARE CAUSED BY TOBACCO. HALF A MILLION DEATHS EACH YEAR ARE CAUSED BY ALCOHOL.

Ingesting THC, hemp's active agent, has a positive effect; relieving asthma and glaucoma. A joint tends to alleviate the nausea caused by chemotherapy. You are able to eat on hemp. This is a healthy state of being.

The hemp plant is an ALIEN plant. There is physical evidence that hemp is not like any other plant on this planet. One could conclude that it was brought here for the benefit of humanity. Hemp is the ONLY plant where the males appear one way and the females appear very different, physically! No one ever speaks of males and females in regard to the plant kingdom because plants do not show their sexes; except for hemp. To determine what sex a certain, normal, Earthly plant is: You have to look internally, at its DNA. A male blade of grass (physically) looks exactly like a female blade of grass. The hemp plant has an intense sexuality.


HEMP IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE BILLIONAIRES WANT TO REMAIN BILLIONAIRES!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on September 12, 2010, 06:23:04 PM
Well Jude :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 12, 2010, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
Well Jude :mrgreen:

Well what?  :)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on September 12, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
What you typed Jude...
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on September 12, 2010, 07:12:47 PM
yes mike it has been an adventure  :|
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 12, 2010, 07:25:11 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
What you typed Jude...

I did'nt type anything, I did the lazy thing and copy pasted  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on September 12, 2010, 07:48:15 PM
It does not matter seems to me likely :)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: teerockjelli on September 12, 2010, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: "Jude"
HEMP IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE BILLIONAIRES WANT TO REMAIN BILLIONAIRES!

THE TRICKS

Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.


MEDIA MANIPULATION

A media blitz of 'yellow journalism' raged in the late 1920s and 1930s. Hearst's newspapers ran stories emphasizing the horrors of marihuana. The menace of marihuana made headlines. Readers learned that it was responsible for everything from car accidents to loose morality.

Films like 'Reefer Madness' (1936), 'Marihuana: Assassin of Youth' (1935) and 'Marihuana: The Devil's Weed' (1936) were propaganda designed by these industrialists to create an enemy. Their purpose was to gain public support so that anti-marihuana laws could be passed.

Examine the following quotes from 'The Burning Question' aka REEFER
MADNESS:
*a violent narcotic.
*acts of shocking violence.
*incurable insanity.
*soul-destroying effects.
*under the influence of the drug he killed his entire family with an axe.
*more vicious, more deadly even than these soul-destroying drugs (heroin, cocaine) is the menace of marihuana!

Reefer Madness did not end with the usual 'the end.' The film concluded with these words plastered on the screen: TELL YOUR CHILDREN.

In the 1930s, people were very naive; even to the point of ignorance. The masses were like sheep waiting to be led by the few in power. They did not challenge authority. If the news was in print or on the radio, they believed it had to be true. They told their children and their children grew up to be the parents of the baby-boomers.

On April 14, 1937, the Prohibitive Marihuana Tax Law or the bill that outlawed hemp was directly brought to the House Ways and Means Committee. This committee is the only one that can introduce a bill to the House floor without it being debated by other committees. The Chairman of the Ways and Means, Robert Doughton, was a Dupont supporter. He insured that the bill would pass Congress.

Dr. James Woodward, a physician and attorney, testified too late on behalf of the American Medical Association. He told the committee that the reason the AMA had not denounced the Marihuana Tax Law sooner was that the Association had just discovered that marihuana was/is hemp.

Few people, at the time, realized that the deadly menace they had been reading about on Hearst's front pages was in fact passive hemp. The AMA understood hemp to be a MEDICINE found in numerous healing products sold over the last hundred years.

In September of 1937, hemp became illegal. The most useful crop known became a drug and our planet has been suffering ever since.

Congress banned hemp because it was said to be the most violence-causing drug known. Anslinger, head of the Drug Commission for 31 years, promoted the idea that marihuana made users act extremely violent. In the 1950s, under the Communist threat of McCarthyism, Anslinger now said the exact opposite. Marijuana will pacify you so much that soldiers would not want to fight.

Today, our planet is in desperate trouble. Earth is suffocating as large tracts of rain forests disappear. Pollution, poisons and chemicals are killing people. These great problems could be reversed if we industrialized hemp. Natural biomass could provide all of the planet's energy needs that are currently supplied by fossil fuels. We have consumed 80% of our oil and gas reserves. We need a renewable resource. Hemp could be the solution to soaring gas prices.


THE WONDER PLANT

Hemp has a higher quality fiber than wood fiber. Far fewer caustic chemicals are required to make paper from hemp than from trees. Hemp paper does not turn yellow and is very durable. The plant grows quickly to maturity in a season where trees take a lifetime.

ALL PLASTIC PRODUCTS SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP SEED OIL. Hempen plastics are biodegradable! Over time, they would break down and not harm the environment. Oil-based plastics, the ones we are very familiar with, help ruin nature; they do not break down and will do great harm in the future. The process to produce the vast array of natural (hempen) plastics will not ruin the rivers as Dupont and other petrochemical companies have done. Ecology does not fit in with the plans of the Oil Industry and the political machine. Hemp products are safe and natural.

MEDICINES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP. We should go back to the days when the AMA supported hemp cures. 'Medical Marijuana' is given out legally to only a handful of people while the rest of us are forced into a system that relies on chemicals. Hemp is only healthy for the human body.

WORLD HUNGER COULD END. A large variety of food products can be generated from hemp. The seeds contain one of the highest sources of protein in nature. ALSO: They have two essential fatty acids that clean your body of cholesterol. These essential fatty acids are not found anywhere else in nature! Consuming hemp seeds is the best thing you could do for your body. Eat uncooked hemp seeds.

CLOTHES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP. Hemp clothing is extremely strong and durable over time. You could hand clothing, made from hemp, down to your grandchildren. Today, there are American companies that make hemp clothing; usually 50% hemp. Hemp fabrics should be everywhere. Instead, they are almost underground. Superior hemp products are not allowed to advertise on fascist television. Kentucky, once the top hemp producing state, made it ILLEGAL TO WEAR hemp clothing! Can you imagine being thrown into jail for wearing quality jeans?

The world is crazy...but that does not mean you have to join the insanity. Get together. Spread the news. Tell people, and that includes your children, the truth. Use hemp products. Eliminate the word 'marijuana.' Realize the history that created it. Make it politically incorrect to say or print the M-word. Fight against the propaganda (designed to favor the agenda of the super rich) and the bullshit. Hemp must be utilized in the future. We need a clean energy source to save our planet. INDUSTRIALIZE HEMP!

The liquor, tobacco and oil companies fund more than a million dollars a day to Partnership for a Drug-Free America and other similar agencies. We have all seen their commercials. Now, their motto is: 'It's more dangerous than we thought.' Lies from the powerful corporations, that began with Hearst, are still alive and well today.

The brainwashing continues. Now, the commercials say: If you buy a joint, you contribute to murders and gang wars. The latest anti-hemp commercials say: If you buy a joint...you are promoting TERRORISM! The new enemy (terrorism) has paved the road to brainwash you any way THEY see fit.

There is only one enemy; the friendly people you pay your taxes to; the war-makers and nature destroyers. With your funding, they are killing the world right in front of your eyes. HALF A MILLION DEATHS EACH YEAR ARE CAUSED BY TOBACCO. HALF A MILLION DEATHS EACH YEAR ARE CAUSED BY ALCOHOL.

Ingesting THC, hemp's active agent, has a positive effect; relieving asthma and glaucoma. A joint tends to alleviate the nausea caused by chemotherapy. You are able to eat on hemp. This is a healthy state of being.

The hemp plant is an ALIEN plant. There is physical evidence that hemp is not like any other plant on this planet. One could conclude that it was brought here for the benefit of humanity. Hemp is the ONLY plant where the males appear one way and the females appear very different, physically! No one ever speaks of males and females in regard to the plant kingdom because plants do not show their sexes; except for hemp. To determine what sex a certain, normal, Earthly plant is: You have to look internally, at its DNA. A male blade of grass (physically) looks exactly like a female blade of grass. The hemp plant has an intense sexuality.


HEMP IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE BILLIONAIRES WANT TO REMAIN BILLIONAIRES!

very informative... hemp is very much loved in American neighborhoods  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 12, 2010, 08:12:22 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
It does not matter seems to me likely :)


Ima just havin' some fun with you paula, likely is an understatement, I would give my dog away, and I love my dog like my own child, that it's acurate.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: RK on September 12, 2010, 10:59:32 PM
actually pawpaw trees or papaya trees show their sexes. I have many in my back yard. You need at least one male amongst the female trees to allow the bees to pollinate. But nowadays, the plant nurseries in Aus are pushing bi-sexual trees.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: teerockjelli on September 13, 2010, 12:15:21 AM
Quote from: "RK"
actually pawpaw trees or papaya trees show their sexes. I have many in my back yard. You need at least one male amongst the female trees to allow the bees to pollinate. But nowadays, the plant nurseries in Aus are pushing bi-sexual trees.

YIKES!!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 13, 2010, 08:02:46 AM
Perhaps the overall point of this, that we can all agree on whether we "like" marijuana or not, is that we have once gain been LIED TO about it and basically PROGRAMMED to have certain beliefs about it, when in fact most of them are not true or twisted beyond recognition. This is where THINKING FOR YOURSELF comes in. I used to "hate" marijuana use of any kind because my mom told me it was bad. When I was old enough to think for myself, I asked my mother why it was bad...and she said because it's illegal...which translates to: the government/media say it's bad. So I had blindly been following my mother who had been blindly following what THEY put in her head. She has never used marijuana for anything, never even tried smoking it, so how on earth does one form an opinion about something they know nothing about? It's easy. Watch TV! Doesn't it seem ass-backwards that they are so against marijuana use, which can heal sicknesses and save lives, but are always promoting things like flu shots, for instance, that are making people get sick and test positive for HIV. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT US!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 13, 2010, 04:25:47 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Perhaps the overall point of this, that we can all agree on whether we "like" marijuana or not, is that we have once gain been LIED TO about it and basically PROGRAMMED to have certain beliefs about it, when in fact most of them are not true or twisted beyond recognition. This is where THINKING FOR YOURSELF comes in. I used to "hate" marijuana use of any kind because my mom told me it was bad. When I was old enough to think for myself, I asked my mother why it was bad...and she said because it's illegal...which translates to: the government/media say it's bad. So I had blindly been following my mother who had been blindly following what THEY put in her head. She has never used marijuana for anything, never even tried smoking it, so how on earth does one form an opinion about something they know nothing about? It's easy. Watch TV! Doesn't it seem ass-backwards that they are so against marijuana use, which can heal sicknesses and save lives, but are always promoting things like flu shots, for instance, that are making people get sick and test positive for HIV. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT US!


I think they actually hate us.  :x
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: alovesmichael on September 13, 2010, 06:52:17 PM
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  @ this thread, not the original post but the rest...  :shock:

Mike might very well have been smokin' pot which is his own business I guess but if true it would kind of make him a hypocrite considering that he spoke out against drug use  :? . Not that it matters or anything because I do understand how he valued his image which is also why I'd think he'd want it kept a secret if he did use it.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 13, 2010, 08:19:40 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  @ this thread, not the original post but the rest...  :shock:

Mike might very well have been smokin' pot which is his own business I guess but if true it would kind of make him a hypocrite considering that he spoke out against drug use  :? . Not that it matters or anything because I do understand how he valued his image which is also why I'd think he'd want it kept a secret if he did use it.

Most marijuana users do not consider the plant a 'drug'.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on September 13, 2010, 08:53:38 PM
Probably I use it with therapeutic purposes
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 13, 2010, 09:13:34 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  @ this thread, not the original post but the rest...  :shock:

Mike might very well have been smokin' pot which is his own business I guess but if true it would kind of make him a hypocrite considering that he spoke out against drug use  :? . Not that it matters or anything because I do understand how he valued his image which is also why I'd think he'd want it kept a secret if he did use it.

Most marijuana users do not consider the plant a 'drug'.

Because it isn't, it's a herb, it's non-toxic, safe and not addictive.


[center:11p8wsdp]IS CANNABIS A DRUG? - A DISCUSSION[/center:11p8wsdp]

WHETHER OR NOT CANNABIS IS A DRUG IT OUGHT BE LEGALISED.

When we talk about cannabis we are not talking about what is not cannabis

Under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, the cannabis plant and its derivatives which contain THC are classified as a Class B Drug and prohibited. Some parts of the plant, such as seeds, roots and stalks, do not fall within the Act. On the question of leaves, forensic scientists look for the presence of THC and other active cannabinoids, and if found, the substance falls within the Act. Some argue that cannabis is a drug in any case, as it can be used as a constituent in a medicine. Others argue that parts of the cannabis plant cannot correctly, semantically be called a drug at all, especially as it is neither physically addictive nor toxic in any conceivably consumable amount. The correct meaning of the word 'drug' as applied to cannabis continues to be debated; nevertheless, in British law, cannabis is a drug.

Safety
Cannabis has been described as one of the safest therapeutic substances known to man, and safer than most common vegetables - DEA Judge Young, 1988. Others describe cannabis as "remakably safe, but not completely harmless" - Prof. Lester Grinspoon MD1997). Some even claim that cannabis is completely harmless and beneficial to man. Yet other scientists have inferred health risks involved the smoking of cannabis, mostly based upon the results of experimentation with THC extracts and synthetic THC carried out on mice, rats and monkeys. It is generally accepted that cannabis is safer than alcohol and tobacco. The question of the risk element attached to the use of cannabis will continue to be a matter for the experts, but irrespective of the answer there exists no just reason to punish cannabis users or those who grow it.

Campaigners, scientists and doctors cannot agree. Cannabis has been used for centuries, both medicinally and for the high, as well as for rope etc, long before the days of drugs and synthetics. Much of the discussion is based on dictionary definitions which change with time. Tell a Rastafarian that his sacrament is a drug and you will be in trouble! Look at a bale of hemp fibre, hemp seed oil soap, paper, cloth or seedcake - they are all pure cannabis - and then tell me it is a drug.


CANNABIS IS NOT A DRUG.

Drugs are associated with addiction, habit and problems. Cannabis is associated with none of these. "Cannabis is not dope, it's everything from rope to hope!"

The following article is an extract from The Report of the FCDA Europe

Although on average approximately 75 people per annum in the U.S. are revealed by post mortem (autopsy) examination to have cannabis in their system at the time of their death, their deaths were induced by causes not associated with cannabis. In all the long history of its use of which the record dates back approximately 5,000 years, cannabis has never been cause to a single fatality. Medical records and study of worldwide pertinent writings over the millennia show that at no time has any person died from the ingestion of any amount of cannabis, ever.

Cannabis is a NON-TOXIC substance. One hundred per cent of the scores of studies by American universities and research facilities show that toxicity does not exist in cannabis. (U.C.L.A, Harvard, Temple, etc.)

All the in-depth medico-scientific clinical studies conducted (for example, US-Jamaican, US-Costa Rican, LaGuardia, etc) have revealed that cannabis contains no addictive properties in any part of the plant or its smoke, so, unlike and in contrast to tobacco, alcohol, and all the legal or illegal 'recreational' substances cannabis is both non-habit-forming and non-toxic. Therefore cannabis is uniquely safe. In this Report, let it be unequivocal and clearly understood that the use of "safe" in the context of cannabis use, by definition means,: "free of danger, risk or injury".

Cannabis Is Not A Drug: Accurate Language.

From all the medico-scientific aspects, harmless cannabis is not only wrongly defined as a "drug" in any meaningful (semantic) definition of the word but also, by definition and empirical reality, wrongly proscribed as a "drug" (or other substance) under legislation regulations.

Although dictionaries vary slightly in their definitions of "drug", virtually all refer to, and rely for definition on, a drug's habit-forming, addictive properties. Webster's New World Dictionary, for example, defines "drug" as: "a narcotic, hallucinogen, especially one that is habit-forming." As is confirmed by the aforementioned medico-scientific research, cannabis contains no habit-forming properties in the plant itself or its smoke. Eviden from the most fundamental and widely inferred meaning, by definition based on empirical fact, cannabis is not a drug.

The word 'drug' derives from Old Dutch meaning dried herbs, as used in food, for healing and in the dyeing of textiles. There was no connotation of addiction. (viz: the Wealth of Nations, 1776, Adam Smith; Book One, Chapter One). In the twentieth Century, that meaning has been transformed by the specious pseudo-philosophy of Prohibition.
The invalidity of linking cannabis with "drugs" is further confirmed by the U.S. government's Bureau of Mortality Statistics. The table, below, demonstrates in the most obvious manner that cannabis by any meaningful definition, traditional or modern, is not a drug and cannabis cannot (correctly) be categorised or referred to as a drug.


[center:11p8wsdp]COMPARISON OF CANNABIS TO OTHER SUBSTANCES
BY OFFICIAL MORTALITY STATISTICS
Sample year 1988. U.S. federal government Bureau of Mortality Statistics.[/center:11p8wsdp]

[center:11p8wsdp]SUBSTANCE............................................NUMBER OF DEATHS PER ANNUM.
TOBACCO................................................................................ 340,000 to 425,000
ALCOHOL (not including 50% of all highway deaths
And 65% of all murders).......................................................150,000 +
ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdoses) ................................................180 to 1,000 +
CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, triggering irregular heartbeats etc) ..................1,000 to 10,000
LEGAL DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental from legal, prescribed
Patent medicines and / or mixing with alcohol) ......14,000 to 27,000
ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental from all illegal drugs).........3,8000 to 5,200
THEOPHYLLINE (Prescribed asthma drug) ..........................................................50

CANNABIS

...................................................................
0[/center:11p8wsdp]

To those people in whose (financial) interests it is to perpetuate the Prohibition of Cannabis the semantically incorrect use of the word "drug" where cannabis is concerned, is a premeditated misuse of terminology. This serves strategy advantageous to Prohibitionists, and comprises a simple but effective mechanism of disinformation, by putting the harmless herb into an unjustifiable association with addictive and harmful drugs.

The reality is clear: cannabis and those pernicious substances, the drugs, are wholly unalike. As the word "drug" is wrong and inapplicable to cannabis, it is necessary to establish a correct word, veracious vocabulary, which is fitting.

From The Report of the FCDA
Because cannabis has been loosely, widely and incorrectly referred to in the past as a "drug" does not mean that this basic untruth can become acceptable. On the contrary, since the introduction of Prohibition the legal situation compels veracity and clarity more than ever, for not to articulate the truth accurately involves perjury. Yet truthful language, the truth, exposes the mendacious basis to the Crime that is this Prohibition of Cannabis

The Australian Government Report says "Cannabis has been erroneously classified as a narcotic, as a sedative and as an hallucinogen. Cannabinoids represent a UNIQUE PHARMACOLOGICAL CLASS OF COMPOUNDS"

CANNABIS IS NOT A DRUG, AND NEITHER IS IT AN INTOXICANT.

According to the Oxford Pocket Dictionary to intoxicate is to make drunk, excite, elate, beyond self-control. Unlike alcohol cannabis users do not lose self-control. Massive amounts just send them to sleep.

Intoxicants are potentially toxic, that is poisonous, with a certain overdose level often dependent on the individual. There has never been a single death directly attributed to cannabis use, in 5000 years of history, with hundreds of millions of users in the world. There is NO TOXIC AMOUNT OF CANNABIS. One theory states that an amount of 2 pounds eaten in ten minutes, an impossible feat and not certain to cause death. No animal has died of an overdose of cannabis.

Many substances which are mind-altering or mood changing are not drugs : hormones, endorphins, adrenaline.

Conscious-altering substance which we consume but which are not generally regarded as drugs include sugar, caffeine and chocolate.

CANNABIS IS NOT THC

THC or Tetrahydrocannabinol is one of many active ingredients in cannabis. It can also be produced synthetically. Organic cannabis contains over 1000 other substances; like any herb it is the holistic use of the whole herb or medicine which is vital. 30 or 40 cannabinoids have been identified. Any judgment of cannabis based on the supply of THC to patients is unfounded.

Cannabis contains THC but cannabis is not THC. It is incorrect methodologically to mix in extraneous, irrelevant THC findings, or data from isolated cannabinoids, and then make false claims relating to cannabis.

WHETHER OR NOT CANNABIS IS A DRUG IT OUGHT BE LEGALISED.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 13, 2010, 09:16:29 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  @ this thread, not the original post but the rest...  :shock:

Mike might very well have been smokin' pot which is his own business I guess but if true it would kind of make him a hypocrite considering that he spoke out against drug use  :? . Not that it matters or anything because I do understand how he valued his image which is also why I'd think he'd want it kept a secret if he did use it.

Most marijuana users do not consider the plant a 'drug'.

Because it isn't, it's a herb, it's non-toxic, safe and not addictive.


[center:1f4whfhd]IS CANNABIS A DRUG? - A DISCUSSION[/center:1f4whfhd]

WHETHER OR NOT CANNABIS IS A DRUG IT OUGHT BE LEGALISED.

When we talk about cannabis we are not talking about what is not cannabis

Under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, the cannabis plant and its derivatives which contain THC are classified as a Class B Drug and prohibited. Some parts of the plant, such as seeds, roots and stalks, do not fall within the Act. On the question of leaves, forensic scientists look for the presence of THC and other active cannabinoids, and if found, the substance falls within the Act. Some argue that cannabis is a drug in any case, as it can be used as a constituent in a medicine. Others argue that parts of the cannabis plant cannot correctly, semantically be called a drug at all, especially as it is neither physically addictive nor toxic in any conceivably consumable amount. The correct meaning of the word 'drug' as applied to cannabis continues to be debated; nevertheless, in British law, cannabis is a drug.

Safety
Cannabis has been described as one of the safest therapeutic substances known to man, and safer than most common vegetables - DEA Judge Young, 1988. Others describe cannabis as "remakably safe, but not completely harmless" - Prof. Lester Grinspoon MD1997). Some even claim that cannabis is completely harmless and beneficial to man. Yet other scientists have inferred health risks involved the smoking of cannabis, mostly based upon the results of experimentation with THC extracts and synthetic THC carried out on mice, rats and monkeys. It is generally accepted that cannabis is safer than alcohol and tobacco. The question of the risk element attached to the use of cannabis will continue to be a matter for the experts, but irrespective of the answer there exists no just reason to punish cannabis users or those who grow it.

Campaigners, scientists and doctors cannot agree. Cannabis has been used for centuries, both medicinally and for the high, as well as for rope etc, long before the days of drugs and synthetics. Much of the discussion is based on dictionary definitions which change with time. Tell a Rastafarian that his sacrament is a drug and you will be in trouble! Look at a bale of hemp fibre, hemp seed oil soap, paper, cloth or seedcake - they are all pure cannabis - and then tell me it is a drug.


CANNABIS IS NOT A DRUG.

Drugs are associated with addiction, habit and problems. Cannabis is associated with none of these. "Cannabis is not dope, it's everything from rope to hope!"

The following article is an extract from The Report of the FCDA Europe

Although on average approximately 75 people per annum in the U.S. are revealed by post mortem (autopsy) examination to have cannabis in their system at the time of their death, their deaths were induced by causes not associated with cannabis. In all the long history of its use of which the record dates back approximately 5,000 years, cannabis has never been cause to a single fatality. Medical records and study of worldwide pertinent writings over the millennia show that at no time has any person died from the ingestion of any amount of cannabis, ever.

Cannabis is a NON-TOXIC substance. One hundred per cent of the scores of studies by American universities and research facilities show that toxicity does not exist in cannabis. (U.C.L.A, Harvard, Temple, etc.)

All the in-depth medico-scientific clinical studies conducted (for example, US-Jamaican, US-Costa Rican, LaGuardia, etc) have revealed that cannabis contains no addictive properties in any part of the plant or its smoke, so, unlike and in contrast to tobacco, alcohol, and all the legal or illegal 'recreational' substances cannabis is both non-habit-forming and non-toxic. Therefore cannabis is uniquely safe. In this Report, let it be unequivocal and clearly understood that the use of "safe" in the context of cannabis use, by definition means,: "free of danger, risk or injury".

Cannabis Is Not A Drug: Accurate Language.

From all the medico-scientific aspects, harmless cannabis is not only wrongly defined as a "drug" in any meaningful (semantic) definition of the word but also, by definition and empirical reality, wrongly proscribed as a "drug" (or other substance) under legislation regulations.

Although dictionaries vary slightly in their definitions of "drug", virtually all refer to, and rely for definition on, a drug's habit-forming, addictive properties. Webster's New World Dictionary, for example, defines "drug" as: "a narcotic, hallucinogen, especially one that is habit-forming." As is confirmed by the aforementioned medico-scientific research, cannabis contains no habit-forming properties in the plant itself or its smoke. Eviden from the most fundamental and widely inferred meaning, by definition based on empirical fact, cannabis is not a drug.

The word 'drug' derives from Old Dutch meaning dried herbs, as used in food, for healing and in the dyeing of textiles. There was no connotation of addiction. (viz: the Wealth of Nations, 1776, Adam Smith; Book One, Chapter One). In the twentieth Century, that meaning has been transformed by the specious pseudo-philosophy of Prohibition.
The invalidity of linking cannabis with "drugs" is further confirmed by the U.S. government's Bureau of Mortality Statistics. The table, below, demonstrates in the most obvious manner that cannabis by any meaningful definition, traditional or modern, is not a drug and cannabis cannot (correctly) be categorised or referred to as a drug.


[center:1f4whfhd]COMPARISON OF CANNABIS TO OTHER SUBSTANCES
BY OFFICIAL MORTALITY STATISTICS
Sample year 1988. U.S. federal government Bureau of Mortality Statistics.[/center:1f4whfhd]

[center:1f4whfhd]SUBSTANCE............................................NUMBER OF DEATHS PER ANNUM.
TOBACCO................................................................................ 340,000 to 425,000
ALCOHOL (not including 50% of all highway deaths
And 65% of all murders).......................................................150,000 +
ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdoses) ................................................180 to 1,000 +
CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, triggering irregular heartbeats etc) ..................1,000 to 10,000
LEGAL DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental from legal, prescribed
Patent medicines and / or mixing with alcohol) ......14,000 to 27,000
ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental from all illegal drugs).........3,8000 to 5,200
THEOPHYLLINE (Prescribed asthma drug) ..........................................................50

CANNABIS

...................................................................
0[/center:1f4whfhd]

To those people in whose (financial) interests it is to perpetuate the Prohibition of Cannabis the semantically incorrect use of the word "drug" where cannabis is concerned, is a premeditated misuse of terminology. This serves strategy advantageous to Prohibitionists, and comprises a simple but effective mechanism of disinformation, by putting the harmless herb into an unjustifiable association with addictive and harmful drugs.

The reality is clear: cannabis and those pernicious substances, the drugs, are wholly unalike. As the word "drug" is wrong and inapplicable to cannabis, it is necessary to establish a correct word, veracious vocabulary, which is fitting.

From The Report of the FCDA
Because cannabis has been loosely, widely and incorrectly referred to in the past as a "drug" does not mean that this basic untruth can become acceptable. On the contrary, since the introduction of Prohibition the legal situation compels veracity and clarity more than ever, for not to articulate the truth accurately involves perjury. Yet truthful language, the truth, exposes the mendacious basis to the Crime that is this Prohibition of Cannabis

The Australian Government Report says "Cannabis has been erroneously classified as a narcotic, as a sedative and as an hallucinogen. Cannabinoids represent a UNIQUE PHARMACOLOGICAL CLASS OF COMPOUNDS"

CANNABIS IS NOT A DRUG, AND NEITHER IS IT AN INTOXICANT.

According to the Oxford Pocket Dictionary to intoxicate is to make drunk, excite, elate, beyond self-control. Unlike alcohol cannabis users do not lose self-control. Massive amounts just send them to sleep.

Intoxicants are potentially toxic, that is poisonous, with a certain overdose level often dependent on the individual. There has never been a single death directly attributed to cannabis use, in 5000 years of history, with hundreds of millions of users in the world. There is NO TOXIC AMOUNT OF CANNABIS. One theory states that an amount of 2 pounds eaten in ten minutes, an impossible feat and not certain to cause death. No animal has died of an overdose of cannabis.

Many substances which are mind-altering or mood changing are not drugs : hormones, endorphins, adrenaline.

Conscious-altering substance which we consume but which are not generally regarded as drugs include sugar, caffeine and chocolate.

CANNABIS IS NOT THC

THC or Tetrahydrocannabinol is one of many active ingredients in cannabis. It can also be produced synthetically. Organic cannabis contains over 1000 other substances; like any herb it is the holistic use of the whole herb or medicine which is vital. 30 or 40 cannabinoids have been identified. Any judgment of cannabis based on the supply of THC to patients is unfounded.

Cannabis contains THC but cannabis is not THC. It is incorrect methodologically to mix in extraneous, irrelevant THC findings, or data from isolated cannabinoids, and then make false claims relating to cannabis.

WHETHER OR NOT CANNABIS IS A DRUG IT OUGHT BE LEGALISED.

Safer than most vegetables! How about that  :lol: Thanks Souza!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Stranger In Chi-town on September 13, 2010, 09:39:40 PM
This is all very fascinating!!! :O I'm still a little confused though. Isn't smoking weed different for everyone? I've heard of people flipping out, wanting to fight, becoming dull, etc. Side effects, that is. Isn't it true that you get a few side effects from smoking it or is that a misconception? Also can't you get a contact high from it (standing around someone who smokes it and inhaling the fumes)?  :?:  :?:  :?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 13, 2010, 09:48:32 PM
Quote from: "Stranger In Chi-town"
This is all very fascinating!!! :O I'm still a little confused though. Isn't smoking weed different for everyone? I've heard of people flipping out, wanting to fight, becoming dull, etc. Side effects, that is. Isn't it true that you get a few side effects from smoking it or is that a misconception? Also can't you get a contact high from it (standing around someone who smokes it and inhaling the fumes)?  :?:  :?:  :?

It's effects are different for everyone, but only because everyone is different.

From what I've experienced and seen, all marijuana does is make things clear as day. Sometimes this can be negative, but only because it is negative things that are brought to light. Hard to explain, and this is maybe just my opinion, but it seems to have this sort of detoxing effect on emotions and thoughts. Kind of like when you do a detox diet for your body, you may feel much worse before you start feeling better because your body has so many toxins to get rid of. That's what marijuana is like - a detox diet for your mind, it promotes clear and free thinking. But in order to get to that level, one must rid their minds of previous thought patterns and misinformation and negative energy in general - and that period can produce some uncomfortable feelings and even physical symptoms. It's very difficult emotionally when you start to find out that you've been lied to your whole life. Of course, this process of awakening can be acheived without marijuana. I'm just saying that I have certainly found it to be helpful...
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 13, 2010, 09:49:41 PM
@jaci Hey, what did you expect? I'm Dutch! We are known for our tulips, cheese, windmills, wooden shoes and most of all: coffee shops and controversial drug policy  :lol:

Just to clarify: I am against (syntetic and dangerous) recreational drug use. I think it's irresponsible and stupid. I also don't think you should be high on pot every minute of the day, but a joint every now and then has never harmed a soul, helps you relax and sleep when you had a bad day and it relieves pain.

It harms the government though, because people seem to get a clearer mind from it and start to question and think. Look at the hippies and their big demonstrations back in the days.

@SIC: That's a misconception. It depends though on where you buy it. If they mixed it with other stuff, it can of course have different side effects. Pure canabis does not have that side effects. I used to smoke a joint sometimes and still every once in a blue moon, and all it ever did to me, is making me laugh so hard it makes my sides hurt, becoming very philosophical, my senses increase: it's like everything makes more sense and after an hour or 2 I get sleepy and need to go to bed. I have never seen anyone become violent from it, other than what I have seen happening with people using cocaine or XTC.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 13, 2010, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: "Stranger In Chi-town"
This is all very fascinating!!! :O I'm still a little confused though. Isn't smoking weed different for everyone? I've heard of people flipping out, wanting to fight, becoming dull, etc. Side effects, that is. Isn't it true that you get a few side effects from smoking it or is that a misconception? Also can't you get a contact high from it (standing around someone who smokes it and inhaling the fumes)?  :?:  :?:  :?



I've never seen anyone flip out, and I've been around it for more then half my life, and want to fight? Never! I want to clean my house when I smoke.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: King_Michael on September 13, 2010, 09:54:21 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana. Why? Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them. It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.

People in this thread are asking maybe Michael wanted to tell us something about Marijuana well there you go Mo hit the nail right on the head, whether he smoked it or not is anybody's guess but seems like Marijuana was the mk ultras worst nightmare  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Stranger In Chi-town on September 13, 2010, 09:58:31 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Stranger In Chi-town"
This is all very fascinating!!! :O I'm still a little confused though. Isn't smoking weed different for everyone? I've heard of people flipping out, wanting to fight, becoming dull, etc. Side effects, that is. Isn't it true that you get a few side effects from smoking it or is that a misconception? Also can't you get a contact high from it (standing around someone who smokes it and inhaling the fumes)?  :?:  :?:  :?

It's effects are different for everyone, but only because everyone is different.

From what I've experienced and seen, all marijuana does is make things clear as day. Sometimes this can be negative, but only because it is negative things that are brought to light. Hard to explain, and this is maybe just my opinion, but it seems to have this sort of detoxing effect on emotions and thoughts. Kind of like when you do a detox diet for your body, you may feel much worse before you start feeling better because your body has so many toxins to get rid of. That's what marijuana is like - a detox diet for your mind, it promotes clear and free thinking. But in order to get to that level, one must rid their minds of previous thought patterns and misinformation and negative energy in general - and that period can produce some uncomfortable feelings and even physical symptoms. It's very difficult emotionally when you start to find out that you've been lied to your whole life. Of course, this process of awakening can be acheived without marijuana. I'm just saying that I have certainly found it to be helpful...

Yeah, that's right. I recall you saying that in this thread or in an IM, about bringing things to light like negative things, when you smoke weed. i assume that's one reason many artists and musicians smoke(d) it. Writers too. xD To clear their mind and what not.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 13, 2010, 10:00:05 PM
Ah yes you must be careful when obtaining maryj because some people "lace" it with other drugs.

The people I've seen get messed up, is usually when they are going through something awful and they just decide to smoke pot all day ignore whatever the problem is, making the problem bigger and bigger until it suddenly explodes in their face.

OR

People who will smoke, snort, syringe ANYTHING just to get high, and marijuana just happens to be one in the mix. But I don't think that really counts for much.

Like I said, for me, for "normal" indiviuals (if you can call me normal :lol: ) with no major issues, it's usually just the awakening in general that can be a difficult process (but extraordinary). Not direct side effects of marijuana.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Stranger In Chi-town on September 13, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
@jaci Hey, what did you expect? I'm Dutch! We are known for our tulips, cheese, windmills, wooden shoes and most of all: coffee shops and controversial drug policy  :lol:

Just to clarify: I am against (syntetic and dangerous) recreational drug use. I think it's irresponsible and stupid. I also don't think you should be high on pot every minute of the day, but a joint every now and then has never harmed a soul, helps you relax and sleep when you had a bad day and it relieves pain.

It harms the government though, because people seem to get a clearer mind from it and start to question and think. Look at the hippies and their big demonstrations back in the days.

@SIC: That's a misconception. It depends though on where you buy it. If they mixed it with other stuff, it can of course have different side effects. Pure canabis does not have that side effects. I used to smoke a joint sometimes and still every once in a blue moon, and all it ever did to me, is making me laugh so hard it makes my sides hurt, becoming very philosophical, my senses increase: it's like everything makes more sense and after an hour or 2 I get sleepy and need to go to bed. I have never seen anyone become violent from it, other than what I have seen happening with people using cocaine or XTC.

Ah okay. I figure it must be from marijuana that's laced like you say. I heard about laced drugs before.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on September 13, 2010, 10:04:50 PM
Quote from: "Stranger In Chi-town"
This is all very fascinating!!! :O I'm still a little confused though. Isn't smoking weed different for everyone? I've heard of people flipping out, wanting to fight, becoming dull, etc. Side effects, that is. Isn't it true that you get a few side effects from smoking it or is that a misconception? Also can't you get a contact high from it (standing around someone who smokes it and inhaling the fumes)?  :?:  :?:  :?

Urban legends. People blame a lot of things except themselves and their own lack of self discipline. I used to smoke weed and do my psychics homework in college. I got straight As in that class.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Stranger In Chi-town on September 13, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Stranger In Chi-town"
This is all very fascinating!!! :O I'm still a little confused though. Isn't smoking weed different for everyone? I've heard of people flipping out, wanting to fight, becoming dull, etc. Side effects, that is. Isn't it true that you get a few side effects from smoking it or is that a misconception? Also can't you get a contact high from it (standing around someone who smokes it and inhaling the fumes)?  :?:  :?:  :?

Urban legends. People blame a lot of things except themselves and their own lack of self discipline. I used to smoke weed and do my psychics homework in college. I got straight As in that class.

Straight As? Awesome! xD =D
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Andrea on September 13, 2010, 10:16:25 PM
This thread is awesome!  :lol:

A while back I was freshly smoked up and came onto this site and typed a reply to a post in the TMZ subforum...it was late at night and half an hour later I went to TIAI and found that my post was the re-direct for that day!   :lol:

The herb can expand our minds to the possibilities!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 13, 2010, 10:18:39 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
This thread is awesome!  :lol:

A while back I was freshly smoked up and came onto this site and typed a reply to a post in the TMZ subforum...it was late at night and half an hour later I went to TIAI and found that my post was the re-direct for that day!   :lol:

The herb can expand our minds to the possibilities!

lol, I also may or may not be guilty of this...  ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 13, 2010, 10:21:10 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
This thread is awesome!  :lol:

A while back I was freshly smoked up and came onto this site and typed a reply to a post in the TMZ subforum...it was late at night and half an hour later I went to TIAI and found that my post was the re-direct for that day!   :lol:

The herb can expand our minds to the possibilities!


I believe, in fact I know, that it opens up another level of conciousness. I could write a movie script with the stuff that goes through my mind .
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Andrea on September 13, 2010, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Andrea"
This thread is awesome!  :lol:

A while back I was freshly smoked up and came onto this site and typed a reply to a post in the TMZ subforum...it was late at night and half an hour later I went to TIAI and found that my post was the re-direct for that day!   :lol:

The herb can expand our minds to the possibilities!

lol, I also may or may not be guilty of this...  ;)

Ya, I'm sure I'm not the only one!

@Jude - Do you write down your thoughts when you got your glow on?  I do sometimes and then I'll look at them later on and think WTF...but that's not a bad thing!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 13, 2010, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Andrea"
This thread is awesome!  :lol:

A while back I was freshly smoked up and came onto this site and typed a reply to a post in the TMZ subforum...it was late at night and half an hour later I went to TIAI and found that my post was the re-direct for that day!   :lol:

The herb can expand our minds to the possibilities!

lol, I also may or may not be guilty of this...  ;)

Ya, I'm sure I'm not the only one!

@Jude - Do you write down your thoughts when you got your glow on?  I do sometimes and then I'll look at them later on and think WTF...but that's not a bad thing!



No I havn't, but I should , because like you said, WTF?  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: RK on September 13, 2010, 11:32:45 PM
I'd be interested to hear anyone's opinions on magic mushrooms as we are talking about higher levels of awareness on this thread.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on September 13, 2010, 11:44:52 PM
The effects of hallucinogenic mushrooms are of toxic nature on the body and the brain. That's not higher awareness in my book. That's just poisoning yourself in low doses.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 13, 2010, 11:49:35 PM
Quote from: "RK"
I'd be interested to hear anyone's opinions on magic mushrooms as we are talking about higher levels of awareness on this thread.


No experience with mushrooms, sorry.

@bec That depends on the mushroom:

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Psilocybin mushrooms are non-addictive and rarely abused. They do create short-term increases in tolerance of users, thus making it difficult to abuse them since the more often they're taken, less effects take place. Poisonous (sometimes lethal) wild picked mushrooms can be easily mistaken for psilocybin mushrooms, but true psilocybin mushrooms are non-toxic, and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, a branch of the Center for Disease Control, rated psilocybin less toxic than aspirin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_mushrooms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_mushrooms)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on September 14, 2010, 12:07:57 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "RK"
I'd be interested to hear anyone's opinions on magic mushrooms as we are talking about higher levels of awareness on this thread.


No experience with mushrooms, sorry.

@bec That depends on the mushroom:

Quote
Psilocybin mushrooms are non-addictive and rarely abused. They do create short-term increases in tolerance of users, thus making it difficult to abuse them since the more often they're taken, less effects take place. Poisonous (sometimes lethal) wild picked mushrooms can be easily mistaken for psilocybin mushrooms, but true psilocybin mushrooms are non-toxic, and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, a branch of the Center for Disease Control, rated psilocybin less toxic than aspirin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_mushrooms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_mushrooms)

Huh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info Souza.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on September 14, 2010, 12:19:11 AM
As with marijuana, the effects of mushrooms can vary.  Marijuana can make you giddy, happy, philosophical, paranoid or just plain hungry.  Mushrooms can also make you giddy or philosophical or even both at the same time.  They can bring great clarity and awareness, but you need to be in a happy place mentally because a bad trip can be very, very bad if you are not in the best frame of mind.  Also one needs to be able to trust their source because as mentioned above, the wrong type of mushrooms can make you very sick or even kill you.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Stranger In Chi-town on September 14, 2010, 01:16:22 AM
Quote from: "PeaceLoveHappiness"
As with marijuana, the effects of mushrooms can vary.  Marijuana can make you giddy, happy, philosophical, paranoid or just plain hungry.  Mushrooms can also make you giddy or philosophical or even both at the same time.  They can bring great clarity and awareness, but you need to be in a happy place mentally because a bad trip can be very, very bad if you are not in the best frame of mind.  Also one needs to be able to trust their source because as mentioned above, the wrong type of mushrooms can make you very sick or even kill you.

I've been told about mushrooms before and their hallucinogenic properties or something like that.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 14, 2010, 08:31:20 AM
No experience with mushrooms here either, but I've heard a lot of stories. Sounds like the effects are much more pronounced. My friend said she laid in her bed for 3 hours just staring at some imaginary designs on the ceiling that were not there,laughing and making weird noises, and that's all she remembers. To me that doesn't really sound like fun lol, maybe if I were just there watching someone do that, could potentially be entetaining haha. But I'm more of a thinker and a talker, I don't need drugs to completely escape reality like that (that's what music is for :D ) Oh and not to mention I've been told they taste so nasty that it's hard to even get them down. That's enough right there for me not to experiment, I have a very weak stomach...I'd never survive on Fear Factor  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on September 14, 2010, 08:34:34 AM
Marijuana is not difficult to think, on the contrary makes the brain work properly, (this is why it is banned, so people do not think). As a natural sedative is very good, I have insomnia and I've used a few times and I do more because it is prohibited and I will not have problems. Marijuana does not lead to other drugs, as well as water does not lead to whiskey, if you want to try a harder substance is an individual decision in which marijuana has no role.
Unlike cocaine (the probe once), this was what I felt;
 I had taken alcohol and cocaine consumption the effect of the disappeared, I felt tingling, coldness, and anesthesia in the face, nose and mouth, runny nose and have Sensation of powder to shoulder height, so I Clean this area so persistent.
Nothing like experience and I do not recommend it to anyone.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: DancingTheDream on September 14, 2010, 08:47:06 AM
I think MJ may have been using marijuana for pain relief.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 14, 2010, 12:34:33 PM
So popular concensus says,,,, Marijuana is good for you.  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 14, 2010, 12:47:15 PM
Quote from: "Jude"
So popular concensus says,,,, Marijuana is good for you.  :lol:

Lol, I didn't know this thread would be so popular   :)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: alovesmichael on September 14, 2010, 07:02:24 PM
Clarity and awareness?! May I assume that whoever agrees with that is probably a pot head?  :lol:  People are free to do whatever they want of course but I can't really agree that it's completely harmless. I've seen the bad side of it and it's scary I tell ya. Funny how the way people see things are so different due to things such as what country your from - interesting actually.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: mjj29081958 on September 14, 2010, 07:46:48 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Clarity and awareness?! May I assume that whoever agrees with that is probably a pot head?  :lol:  People are free to do whatever they want of course but I can't really agree that it's completely harmless. I've seen the bad side of it and it's scary I tell ya. Funny how the way people see things are so different due to things such as what country your from - interesting actually.

I agree. This is wrong in many levels, ya'll got me speechless... It seems like you give a f*ck the young people here. Wanna smoke? do it, I don't care, but think before typing, be careful with what you say here please.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 14, 2010, 07:56:11 PM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Clarity and awareness?! May I assume that whoever agrees with that is probably a pot head?  :lol:  People are free to do whatever they want of course but I can't really agree that it's completely harmless. I've seen the bad side of it and it's scary I tell ya. Funny how the way people see things are so different due to things such as what country your from - interesting actually.

I agree. This is wrong in many levels, ya'll got me speechless... It seems like you give a f*ck the young people here. Wanna smoke? do it, I don't care, but think before typing, be careful with what you say here please.

Aloves - what country are you from?

And mjj29 - I've seen and done some joking around, as on every thread. But the information provided is very valuable in my opinion whether you want to "smoke it" or not. It's about all the things it can do, all the things it can heal. Personally if I were a mother, I would rather find out my teenager had smoked pot rather than find him dead in the ditch with his drunk friends. And how many parents do you hear of all the time letting their teens drink? I'm just saying, sometimes we have to tell the truth even to our children. Just like sex - is it better for us to tell them it's a terrible thing and to never EVER do it, or to tell them that it's a very enjoyable thing when protected and with the right person? They are going to be temtped with these things no matter what, and probably try some of these things no matter what. So isn't it better for them to be educated in an HONEST way?

This is a perfect example of how the media has everyone brainwashed into thinking a certain way about something.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ROFL on September 14, 2010, 08:01:29 PM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Clarity and awareness?! May I assume that whoever agrees with that is probably a pot head?  :lol:  People are free to do whatever they want of course but I can't really agree that it's completely harmless. I've seen the bad side of it and it's scary I tell ya. Funny how the way people see things are so different due to things such as what country your from - interesting actually.

I agree. This is wrong in many levels, ya'll got me speechless... It seems like you give a f*ck the young people here. Wanna smoke? do it, I don't care, but think before typing, be careful with what you say here please.

 Everybody is entitled to their own opinion ..This is the internet  and if young influencable people come in here it's not our "problem" , young people shouldn't even be using  the internet  :roll:
I dont think we are promoting marijuana , we are just saying that we have been lied on and most of the things you hear about it on TV etc is not always true
So please watch your language and be careful with what you say here too please
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Andrea on September 14, 2010, 08:13:42 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Clarity and awareness?! May I assume that whoever agrees with that is probably a pot head?  :lol:  People are free to do whatever they want of course but I can't really agree that it's completely harmless. I've seen the bad side of it and it's scary I tell ya. Funny how the way people see things are so different due to things such as what country your from - interesting actually.

I agree. This is wrong in many levels, ya'll got me speechless... It seems like you give a f*ck the young people here. Wanna smoke? do it, I don't care, but think before typing, be careful with what you say here please.

Aloves - what country are you from?

And mjj29 - I've seen and done some joking around, as on every thread. But the information provided is very valuable in my opinion whether you want to "smoke it" or not. It's about all the things it can do, all the things it can heal. Personally if I were a mother, I would rather find out my teenager had smoked pot rather than find him dead in the ditch with his drunk friends. And how many parents do you hear of all the time letting their teens drink? I'm just saying, sometimes we have to tell the truth even to our children. They are going to be temtped with these things no matter what, isn't it better for them to be educated?

This is a perfect example of how the media has everyone brainwashed into thinking a certain way about something.

I agree Jaci.

This whole thread is a mix of important info (which anyone can research elsewhere for themselves if they wish to confirm the info provided) and funny stuff and answering questions that people have on marijuana/hemp.  Ultimately, whether someone chooses to "smoke" marijuana or use hemp/hemp oil, it is up to them.  I know this thread is controversial but it's not meant to corrupt anybody or cause harm to anybody.  I totally respect everyone's opinion and while there was some joking around on here, I'm sure it wasn't intended as an "everybody get high" thread.  But just remember this, if THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US, why don't THEY want us smoking/using/benefitting from it?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: mjj29081958 on September 14, 2010, 08:32:21 PM
Quote from: "ROFL"
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion ..This is the internet  and if young influencable people come in here it's not our "problem" , young people shouldn't even be using  the internet  :roll:
I dont think we are promoting marijuana , we are just saying that we have been lied on and most of the things you hear about it on TV etc is not always true
So please watch your language and be careful with what you say here too please

Well, "Marijuana is good for you" sounds like promoting to me, even if it was a joke.

"Young influenciable" people are here, like it or not: you can confirm you don't care at all and keep joking about drugs, or be a bit careful with the words you use.

Oh, and I'm not against the Therapeutic use of Cannabis, in pain treatment.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 14, 2010, 08:36:59 PM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "ROFL"
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion ..This is the internet  and if young influencable people come in here it's not our "problem" , young people shouldn't even be using  the internet  :roll:
I dont think we are promoting marijuana , we are just saying that we have been lied on and most of the things you hear about it on TV etc is not always true
So please watch your language and be careful with what you say here too please

Well, "Marijuana is good for you" sounds like promoting to me, even if it was a joke.

"Young influenciable" people are here, like it or not: you can confirm you don't care at all and keep joking about drugs, or be a bit careful with the words you use.

Oh, and I'm not against the Therapeutic use of Cannabis, in pain treatment.

With all due respect, you're the one who used profanity. So probably not a good idea to tell someone else to be careful what words they use if you're concern is about children.

How about I say this - marijuana is good for you (because it is), when used responsibly by educated adults. How's that?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on September 14, 2010, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: "ROFL"
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Clarity and awareness?! May I assume that whoever agrees with that is probably a pot head?  :lol:  People are free to do whatever they want of course but I can't really agree that it's completely harmless. I've seen the bad side of it and it's scary I tell ya. Funny how the way people see things are so different due to things such as what country your from - interesting actually.

I agree. This is wrong in many levels, ya'll got me speechless... It seems like you give a f*ck the young people here. Wanna smoke? do it, I don't care, but think before typing, be careful with what you say here please.

 Everybody is entitled to their own opinion ..This is the internet  and if young influencable people come in here it's not our "problem" , young people shouldn't even be using  the internet  :roll:
I dont think we are promoting marijuana , we are just saying that we have been lied on and most of the things you hear about it on TV etc is not always true
So please watch your language and be careful with what you say here too please


Young people shouldn't even be using the internet? The internet is entitled to everyone, actually more young people use it than older people, or should i say know how to use it. I agree that it doesn't sound like you're promoting it to young people, but that sentence just irked me.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: RK on September 14, 2010, 08:59:07 PM
I think people are forgetting that this is a legitimate hoax topic as it was found at the holmbey hills address in that room.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 14, 2010, 09:05:10 PM
Quote from: "RK"
I think people are forgetting that this is a legitimate hoax topic as it was found at the holmbey hills address in that room.
:!:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ROFL on September 14, 2010, 09:21:00 PM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "ROFL"
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Clarity and awareness?! May I assume that whoever agrees with that is probably a pot head?  :lol:  People are free to do whatever they want of course but I can't really agree that it's completely harmless. I've seen the bad side of it and it's scary I tell ya. Funny how the way people see things are so different due to things such as what country your from - interesting actually.

I agree. This is wrong in many levels, ya'll got me speechless... It seems like you give a f*ck the young people here. Wanna smoke? do it, I don't care, but think before typing, be careful with what you say here please.

 Everybody is entitled to their own opinion ..This is the internet  and if young influencable people come in here it's not our "problem" , young people shouldn't even be using  the internet  :roll:
I dont think we are promoting marijuana , we are just saying that we have been lied on and most of the things you hear about it on TV etc is not always true
So please watch your language and be careful with what you say here too please


Young people shouldn't even be using the internet? The internet is entitled to everyone, actually more young people use it than older people, or should i say know how to use it. I agree that it doesn't sound like you're promoting it to young people, but that sentence just irked me.

I wouldnt let my kidz use internet ... And btw there are crazy things on internet so if you think what IS written on this thread is so bad , then young people shouldnt use it cos you can find "worse" things
Quote
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion ..
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: mjj29081958 on September 14, 2010, 09:58:15 PM
@RK I know, but you can see that most of people didn't take this thread from the Hoax point of view, it'd have been interesting, though.

Well, I don't want to bother you with my nonsense about kids and drugs, so I'll shut up now. Thanks for your replies everyone :D

Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
With all due respect, you're the one who used profanity. So probably not a good idea to tell someone else to be careful what words they use if you're concern is about children.
My apologies for the kids on this forum, I shouldn't have said the F word, and for all the adults I've offended. I'd like to edit my post but I can't.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: curls on September 15, 2010, 02:19:00 AM
If we want to get this back to it's relation to the hoax, I'll just say I thought it was conveniently found at MJ's home so he could bring the word 'hash' into the hoax - remember when we did the Twitter thing, and there was that strange phone call with Harvey on TMZ. Just a thought!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Glinda on September 15, 2010, 03:47:02 AM
[youtube:2i7ixs1u]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyLReBNDlnk[/youtube:2i7ixs1u]

 ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MissG on September 15, 2010, 05:01:06 AM
Marijuana´s active ingredient is tetrahydrocannabinol. It has been found that there were ''natural opiates,'' called enkephalins, which the body produces and uses to relieve pain and stress.  
Some how we can say that Marijuana it´s compatible to our own body ;) that´s why in small doses it´s harmelss but beneficial.
The most harmful effects come from the inhaling of its smoke (when the paper used burns, that´s where the poison is...or all other stuff that is mixed in it, tobacco with nicotine etc...)

When talking about "side effects" of it, it depends in what psychological status you are in or your "nature".
some people laughs, others cry, others become creative...at the end, people get released from their pain and relaxed. That is the final aim of Marijuana.

I believe that avoiding the burning process it´s the safest :).
What about a marijuana tea? ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Glinda on September 15, 2010, 05:43:13 AM
or a waterpipe.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MissG on September 15, 2010, 07:05:48 AM
As well ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on September 15, 2010, 07:18:52 AM
Quote from: "RK"
I think people are forgetting that this is a legitimate hoax topic as it was found at the holmbey hills address in that room.

yes . and that along with the peach fuzz reference to the hair makes me think of someone who has been having cancer treatment. the family did say that it wasn't michael's
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 15, 2010, 08:06:12 AM
People act like they are concerned about the young children and that Cannabis is corrupting them. How bout we go attack Ridalin or these other drugs and flu shots and all these vaccines they are shoving in our children. No!!! Lets attack a 100% natural herb that GOD placed here for us as a gift to help us. Cannabis an effective treatment for ADD/ADHD. Some would say that is just horrible. Id rather my kid have a man made drug instead of something God made. It is just unbelievable the amount of brainwash that has happened and how successful the brainwashers have been. Knowledge is Power. It is time for the power to branch out everywhere. Here is a Very interesting study that is just now being released. Free the leaf, Free the World. They leaves of that tree heal the world!!! MJ

http://www.universalorthodox.org/cannab ... -study.pdf (http://www.universalorthodox.org/cannabis-the-true-panacea-in-comprehensive-study.pdf)

Also check this video of an upcoming doc on the oil. The Rick Simpson story has already been posted here. This doc will compliment it for sure. Check it!! Peace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMvMEwpCaOA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMvMEwpCaOA)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 15, 2010, 08:08:46 AM
Quote from: "curls"
If we want to get this back to it's relation to the hoax, I'll just say I thought it was conveniently found at MJ's home so he could bring the word 'hash' into the hoax - remember when we did the Twitter thing, and there was that strange phone call with Harvey on TMZ. Just a thought!

Where can I hear that phone call, do you have a link? I don't think I've heard that before...

And why is it important that the word "hash" was brought into the hoax? Might be a dumb question, forgive me, but it's early and I'm still half sleeping  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 15, 2010, 08:19:05 AM
Hash is basically one of the purest forms of Cannabis. Hash oil as some call it is the Cure. Smoking the flowers or buds or whatever you call them isn't the cure. Smoking is an alleviator. If you went out to a restaurant and was served a sizzling, smoking hot steak that was steaming like mad when the plate is set down in front of you, what would you do? Just sit there and inhale the aroma to be fulfilled, or would the aroma just really make you more hungry and beg your hands to cut into that meat and start eating it. Same concept. We must ingest to get the FULL results.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Believe 777 on September 15, 2010, 08:27:06 AM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
Hash is basically one of the purest forms of Cannabis. Hash oil as some call it is the Cure. Smoking the flowers or buds or whatever you call them isn't the cure. Smoking is an alleviator. If you went out to a restaurant and was served a sizzling, smoking hot steak that was steaming like mad when the plate is set down in front of you, what would you do? Just sit there and inhale the aroma to be fulfilled, or would the aroma just really make you more hungry and beg your hands to cut into that meat and start eating it. Same concept. We must ingest to get the FULL results.


Absolutely!!! I love your analogy  ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 15, 2010, 08:29:22 AM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
Hash is basically one of the purest forms of Cannabis. Hash oil as some call it is the Cure. Smoking the flowers or buds or whatever you call them isn't the cure. Smoking is an alleviator. If you went out to a restaurant and was served a sizzling, smoking hot steak that was steaming like mad when the plate is set down in front of you, what would you do? Just sit there and inhale the aroma to be fulfilled, or would the aroma just really make you more hungry and beg your hands to cut into that meat and start eating it. Same concept. We must ingest to get the FULL results.

I see. So you think that's why it was mentioned? That would make sense. I knew that information but I just wasn't putting two and two together  :D
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 15, 2010, 09:00:03 AM
I really do believe so. But then again who knows the full way this will all unfold. It has been their from the beginning and I have for sure been trying to blow the whistle on it for a long time. To most people it was just one of them little things just thrown in there. A lot of people just started doing research on all them big drugs that were found. Like they said the police or whoever thought it was black tar herion(SP) Hash oil or cannabis oil or bud oil or hemp flower oil would resemble that almost identically. The hoax is really deep and we all know that for sure. The whole world had to learn a lesson. We going to put that yellow ribbon around that ole oak tree. Freedom is near for those who live without fear!!!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on September 15, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
People act like they are concerned about the young children and that Cannabis is corrupting them. How bout we go attack Ridalin or these other drugs and flu shots and all these vaccines they are shoving in our children. No!!! Lets attack a 100% natural herb that GOD placed here for us as a gift to help us. Cannabis an effective treatment for ADD/ADHD. Some would say that is just horrible. Id rather my kid have a man made drug instead of something God made. It is just unbelievable the amount of brainwash that has happened and how successful the brainwashers have been. Knowledge is Power. It is time for the power to branch out everywhere. Here is a Very interesting study that is just now being released. Free the leaf, Free the World. They leaves of that tree heal the world!!! MJ

http://www.universalorthodox.org/cannab ... -study.pdf (http://www.universalorthodox.org/cannabis-the-true-panacea-in-comprehensive-study.pdf)

Also check this video of an upcoming doc on the oil. The Rick Simpson story has already been posted here. This doc will compliment it for sure. Check it!! Peace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMvMEwpCaOA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMvMEwpCaOA)

well i do have to agree with you on all of the stuff we have been throwing at our kids in this area. i really don't know that much about the hemp . oddly enough there was a national geographic thing on it last night. i guess it was not an illegal substance in the u.s. until 1937.

i still can't see this being a major component of the hoax. although michael seems quite eclectic so it could be a part of it.come to think of it.we are seeing the contrast between natural and synthetic . perhaps maybe  what we should be taking a closer look at anything that is mind altering. i mean that on an idividual basis .
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: BeTheChange on September 15, 2010, 09:06:23 AM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
People act like they are concerned about the young children and that Cannabis is corrupting them. How bout we go attack Ridalin or these other drugs and flu shots and all these vaccines they are shoving in our children. No!!! Lets attack a 100% natural herb that GOD placed here for us as a gift to help us. Cannabis an effective treatment for ADD/ADHD. Some would say that is just horrible. Id rather my kid have a man made drug instead of something God made. It is just unbelievable the amount of brainwash that has happened and how successful the brainwashers have been. Knowledge is Power. It is time for the power to branch out everywhere. Here is a Very interesting study that is just now being released. Free the leaf, Free the World. They leaves of that tree heal the world!!! MJ

http://www.universalorthodox.org/cannab ... -study.pdf (http://www.universalorthodox.org/cannabis-the-true-panacea-in-comprehensive-study.pdf)

Also check this video of an upcoming doc on the oil. The Rick Simpson story has already been posted here. This doc will compliment it for sure. Check it!! Peace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMvMEwpCaOA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMvMEwpCaOA)

I agree with you 100%.  The extent of brainwashing is truly unbelievable, if you think about it.  Young men and women are fighting wars and dying daily all in the name of 'freedom'...a 'freedom' that most, unfortunately, don't realize is just an illusion.  Where is the freedom in not being 'allowed' to buy or ingest a natural herb???  Likewise, where is the freedom in not being 'allowed' to send your kids to school unless they have been immunized?? (I'm in Canada and sure there are ways around that but it's not a simple endeavor and it is HIGHLY frowned upon by school boards and the medical community if your kids aren't immunized).  Yet we have the 'freedom' to fill our kids with crap that's been made in some laboratory and we don't even know what the heck is in it...all because 'others' have decided it's what's best for your kid.  When you peel back the layers, though, it's easy to see that the purpose behind all the legal drugs being pushed onto kids these days is so they will 'conform' to what 'society' has deemed is 'normal' and acceptable behaviour for kids.

I am in no way trying to offend anyone and I'm sure there are 'legal' drugs out there that have helped kids.  Having a daughter with cerebral palsy, though, makes this a very personal subject for me.  For the past 8 years, I have watched the medical community use my daughter as a lab rat...trying all kinds of drugs on her.  I actually had one doctor suggest Ritalin so that "she could be more normal".  But, the only thing affecting my daughter is her mobility (fine and gross motor skills).  And I won't even get into this whole notion of 'normal'....one need only look out their window to see just how 'abnormal' people, and society, have become.  Needless to say, she is not on Ritalin and it has taken a LOT of time and energy on my part to research alternate forms of medicine and therapy for us to try...because the 'Western' medical community is no help at all when it comes to anything 'alternate'.  And if I find that marijuana would help her (I never thought to research that...although I know it helps me lol)....then I would be 150% willing to have her try it.  It would be better than pumping her with chemicals that alter who she is (the love of my life)...all for the sake of being 'normal'.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on September 15, 2010, 09:12:22 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
Marijuana´s active ingredient is tetrahydrocannabinol. It has been found that there were ''natural opiates,'' called enkephalins, which the body produces and uses to relieve pain and stress.  
Some how we can say that Marijuana it´s compatible to our own body ;) that´s why in small doses it´s harmelss but beneficial.
The most harmful effects come from the inhaling of its smoke (when the paper used burns, that´s where the poison is...or all other stuff that is mixed in it, tobacco with nicotine etc...)

When talking about "side effects" of it, it depends in what psychological status you are in or your "nature".
some people laughs, others cry, others become creative...at the end, people get released from their pain and relaxed. That is the final aim of Marijuana.

I believe that avoiding the burning process it´s the safest :).
What about a marijuana tea? ;)

wonder what is the trigger for your body to produce this?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: mjj29081958 on September 15, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "RK"
I think people are forgetting that this is a legitimate hoax topic as it was found at the holmbey hills address in that room.

yes . and that along with the peach fuzz reference to the hair makes me think of someone who has been having cancer treatment. the family did say that it wasn't michael's

Neither it was the man who died. The AR doesn't show he had cancer nor that his samples were positive for Marijuana...
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 15, 2010, 09:19:34 AM
Hey BeTheChange i promise there is good news for you. They have used her as a lab rat to destroy her chance at being a true testimony to God by using His way of medicine. But i promise this, All of your patience toward your daughter which I'm sure has been rough, will pay off SOON!! Just Believe and KNOW!! Search GrannyCrows list for information for your daughter disease and know this, The Best is yet to Come!!!!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 15, 2010, 09:25:55 AM
Here is a big post on studies that do deal with children.
CHILDREN/ YOUNG ADULTS

HEMP AS A MEDICAMENT : Importance of hemp seeds in the tuberculosis therapy (full- 1955) (EDEZYME recipe)
http://www.greenpass...6753#post306753 (http://www.greenpass...6753#post306753)

Nabilone: an alternative antiemetic for cancer chemotherapy. (abst - 1986)
http://www.cannabis-...ow.php?s_id=123 (http://www.cannabis-...ow.php?s_id=123)

Nabilone versus prochlorperazine for control of cancer chemotherapy-induced emesis in children (abst - 1987)
http://www.cannabis-...ow.php?s_id=120 (http://www.cannabis-...ow.php?s_id=120)

Analysis of Facial Shape in Children Gestationally Exposed to Marijuana, Alcohol, and/or Cocaine (abst - 1992)
http://pediatrics.aa...ourcetype=HWCIT (http://pediatrics.aa...ourcetype=HWCIT)

Prenatal Marijuana Exposure and Neonatal Outcomes in Jamaica: An Ethnographic Study (full - 1994)
http://www.ukcia.org.../can-babies.php (http://www.ukcia.org.../can-babies.php)

An efficient new cannabinoid antiemetic in pediatric oncology. (abst - 1995)
http://www.cannabis-...show.php?s_id=7 (http://www.cannabis-...show.php?s_id=7)

Mortality Within the First 2 Years in Infants Exposed to Cocaine, Opiate, or Cannabinoid During Gestation (abst - 1997)
http://pediatrics.aa...ourcetype=HWCIT (http://pediatrics.aa...ourcetype=HWCIT)

Dr. Melanie Dreher, reefer researcher (interview - 1998)
http://www.cannabisc...icles/1404.html (http://www.cannabisc...icles/1404.html)

Ganja mothers, ganja babies (news - 1999)
http://www.cannabisc...icles/1422.html (http://www.cannabisc...icles/1422.html)

Marijuana and ADD- Therapeutic uses of Medical Marijuana in the treatment of ADD (news - 1999?)
http://www.onlinepot...cal/add&mmj.htm (http://www.onlinepot...cal/add&mmj.htm)

Cannabis use falls among Dutch youth (abst - 2000)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....48/?tool=pubmed (http://www.ncbi.nlm....48/?tool=pubmed)

Hemp Supplement Boosts Body AND Mind (anecdotal/news - 2001)
http://pr.cannazine....y-and-mind.html (http://pr.cannazine....y-and-mind.html)

Recipe For Trouble (news/anecdotal - 2002)
http://www.cbsnews.c...ain503022.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.c...ain503022.shtml)

Comparison of meconium and neonatal hair analysis for detection of gestational exposure to drugs of abuse (full - 2003)
http://www.ncbi.nlm..../v088p00F98.pdf (http://www.ncbi.nlm..../v088p00F98.pdf)

Experiences with THC-treatment in children and adolescents (abst - 2003)
http://www.cannabis-...how.php?s_id=80 (http://www.cannabis-...how.php?s_id=80)

Endocannabinoids and food intake: newborn suckling and appetite regulation in adulthood. (full - 2005)
http://ebm.rsmjourna.../full/230/4/225 (http://ebm.rsmjourna.../full/230/4/225)

Treatment with CBD in oily solution of drug-resistant paediatric epilepsies.
(abst - 2005)
http://www.cannabis-...attern=EPILEPSY (http://www.cannabis-...attern=EPILEPSY)

Determination of the prevalence of drug misuse by meconium analysis
(full - 2006)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....35/?tool=pubmed (http://www.ncbi.nlm....35/?tool=pubmed)

Endocannabinoids potently protect the newborn brain against AMPA-kainate receptor-mediated excitotoxic damage (full - 2006)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....?tool=pmcentrez (http://www.ncbi.nlm....?tool=pmcentrez)

A preliminary DTI study showing no brain structural change associated with adolescent cannabis use (full - 2006)
http://www.pubmedcen...bmedid=16684342 (http://www.pubmedcen...bmedid=16684342)

Effects of Alcohol and Combined Marijuana and Alcohol Use During Adolescence on Hippocampal Volume and Asymmetry (full - 2006)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....42/?tool=pubmed (http://www.ncbi.nlm....42/?tool=pubmed)

The Mental Health Risks of Adolescent Cannabis Use (full - 2006)
http://www.pubmedcen...&tool=pmcentrez (http://www.pubmedcen...&tool=pmcentrez)

Oily fish makes 'babies brainier' (news - 2006) (hemp seed- at the end)
http://news.bbc.co.u...lth/4631006.stm (http://news.bbc.co.u...lth/4631006.stm)

Cannabis is a First-Line Treatment for Childhood Mental Disorders
(news - 2006)
http://www.counterpu...ya07082006.html (http://www.counterpu...ya07082006.html)

Dreher's Jamaican Pregnancy Study (news - 2006)
http://www.november....reherStudy.html (http://www.november....reherStudy.html)

Moderate cannabis use not harmful to the brain of adolescents, M R I study finds
(news -2006)
http://www.cannabis-...el.php?id=218#3 (http://www.cannabis-...el.php?id=218#3)

No 'Smoking' Gun: Research Indicates Teen Marijuana Use Does Not Predict Drug, Alcohol Abuse (news - 2006)
http://www.scienceda...61204123422.htm (http://www.scienceda...61204123422.htm)

Pot May Not Shrink Teens' Brains After All (news - 2006)
http://www.medpageto...urology/tb/3242 (http://www.medpageto...urology/tb/3242)

Some go without a cigarette: characteristics of cannabis users who have never smoked tobacco. (full - 2007)
http://archpedi.ama-...ull/161/11/1042 (http://archpedi.ama-...ull/161/11/1042)

Illicit Drug Use in Young Adults and Subsequent Decline in General Health: The Coronary Artery Risk Development in Young Adults (CARDIA) Study
(full - 2007)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....?tool=pmcentrez (http://www.ncbi.nlm....?tool=pmcentrez)

Prevalence of gestational exposure to cannabis in a Mediterranean city by meconium analysis. (abst - 2007)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17953730 (http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17953730)

Teens who use only cannabis appear to function better than those who also use tobacco (news - 2007)
http://www.news-medi...1/06/32262.aspx (http://www.news-medi...1/06/32262.aspx)

Teens Who Smoke Marijuana But Not Tobacco Are Different From Other Teen Groups (news - 2007)
http://www.scienceda...71105164453.htm (http://www.scienceda...71105164453.htm)

Swiss Study Finds Marijuana Use Alone May Benefit Some Teens (news - 2007)
http://www.foxnews.c...,308258,00.html (http://www.foxnews.c...,308258,00.html)

Are Cigarettes More of a Drag on Teens than Marijuana? (news - 2007)
http://www.scientifi...ettes-more-of-a (http://www.scientifi...ettes-more-of-a)

Marijuana Use by Young People: The Impact of State Medical Marijuana Laws (full - 2008)
http://www.mpp.org/a...Report_0608.pdf (http://www.mpp.org/a...Report_0608.pdf)

Volumetric MRI Study of Brain in Children With Intrauterine Exposure to Cocaine, Alcohol, Tobacco, and Marijuana (full - 2008)
http://pediatrics.aa...ourcetype=HWCIT (http://pediatrics.aa...ourcetype=HWCIT)

The association between anxiety and alcohol versus cannabis abuse disorders among adolescents in primary care settings (full - 2008)
http://fampra.oxford...t/full/25/5/321 (http://fampra.oxford...t/full/25/5/321)

Characteristics of Adolescents Who Use Cannabis But Not Tobacco
(news - 2008)
http://www.jointoget...feb08/levy.html (http://www.jointoget...feb08/levy.html)

Medical marijuana: a surprising solution to severe morning sickness
(news - 2008)
http://current.com/i...ng-sickness.htm (http://current.com/i...ng-sickness.htm)

Relief-oriented use of marijuana by teens (full - 2009)
http://www.pubmedcen...&tool=pmcentrez (http://www.pubmedcen...&tool=pmcentrez)

Maternal tobacco, cannabis and alcohol use during pregnancy and risk of adolescent psychotic symptoms in offspring. (full - 2009)
http://bjp.rcpsych.o.../full/195/4/294 (http://bjp.rcpsych.o.../full/195/4/294)

Cannabis use and deliberate self-harm in adolescence: a comparative analysis of associations in England and Norway. (abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme...and_and_Norway_ (http://www.unboundme...and_and_Norway_)

Urinary toxicological screening: Analytical interference between niflumic acid and cannabis. (abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme...nd_cannabis_%5D (http://www.unboundme...nd_cannabis_%5D)

The influence of substance use on adolescent brain development. (abst - 2009)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....Pubmed_RVDocSum (http://www.ncbi.nlm....Pubmed_RVDocSum)

Cannabis use and destructive periodontal diseases among adolescents
(abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme...ng_adolescents_ (http://www.unboundme...ng_adolescents_)

White Matter Integrity in Adolescents with Histories of Marijuana Use and Binge Drinking. (abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme...Binge_Drinking_ (http://www.unboundme...Binge_Drinking_)

Is moderate substance use associated with altered executive functioning in a population-based sample of young adults? (abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme...of_young_adults (http://www.unboundme...of_young_adults)

Cannabis and tobacco use: where are the boundaries? A qualitative study on cannabis consumption modes among adolescents. (abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme...ng_adolescents_ (http://www.unboundme...ng_adolescents_)

Herbal Remedy: Teens Often Use Cannabis For Relief, Not Recreation, Study Finds (news - 2009)
http://www.scienceda...90422191724.htm (http://www.scienceda...90422191724.htm)

Maternal Marijuana use not Associated with Psychotic Symptoms , but Alcohol is (news - 2009)
http://ohiopatientsn...tid=3:newsflash (http://ohiopatientsn...tid=3:newsflash)

Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot (news/annecdotal - 2009)
http://www.doublex.c...-9-year-old-pot (http://www.doublex.c...-9-year-old-pot)

Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot, Part II (news/anecdotal - 2009)
http://www.doublex.c...old-pot-part-ii (http://www.doublex.c...old-pot-part-ii)

Cannabis withdrawal severity and short-term course among cannabis-dependent adolescent and young adult inpatients (abst - 2010)
http://www.unboundme...ult_inpatients_ (http://www.unboundme...ult_inpatients_)

12 Year Olds More Likely to Use Potentially Deadly Inhalants Than Cigarettes or Marijuana (news - 2010)
http://www.scienceda...00312144534.htm (http://www.scienceda...00312144534.htm)

'Marijuana is helping my 9-year-old (news/anecdotal - 2010)
http://theweek.com/a...ing_my_9yearold (http://theweek.com/a...ing_my_9yearold)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 15, 2010, 09:30:30 AM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "RK"
I think people are forgetting that this is a legitimate hoax topic as it was found at the holmbey hills address in that room.

yes . and that along with the peach fuzz reference to the hair makes me think of someone who has been having cancer treatment. the family did say that it wasn't michael's

Neither it was the man who died. The AR doesn't show he had cancer nor that his samples were positive for Marijuana...

There really isn't any proof that anyone died at all.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on September 15, 2010, 09:41:26 AM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "RK"
I think people are forgetting that this is a legitimate hoax topic as it was found at the holmbey hills address in that room.

yes . and that along with the peach fuzz reference to the hair makes me think of someone who has been having cancer treatment. the family did say that it wasn't michael's

Neither it was the man who died. The AR doesn't show he had cancer nor that his samples were positive for Marijuana...

There really isn't any proof that anyone died at all.

did anything point to exactly where the stuff was found?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on September 15, 2010, 09:48:38 AM
The damage produced by alcohol and snuff are very large and are legal drugs, the company sees as a normal thing to anyone with an alcohol binge or someone who smokes 40 cigarettes a day, as I wrote in my previous post my experience with the cocaine was because they simply wanted to know, period, and also said I would not recommend it to anyone, well I did with the marijuana that helped me with my problem of insomnia and if I do more for that and other things is by its nature illegal, to avoid problems, never in my worst moments of insomnia I've taken a sleeping pill and never have I do, I have an alternative therapy treatment, everything here is written in marijuana is their profits, worse that marijuana is to spend all night without sleep.
And as for internet, it is very good but also has its bad things, and a child should not be on the internet without proper professional supervision of their parents.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MissG on September 15, 2010, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: suspicious mind
Quote from: Gema
Marijuana´s active ingredient is tetrahydrocannabinol. It has been found that there were ''natural opiates,'' called enkephalins, which the body produces and uses to relieve pain and stress. 
Some how we can say that Marijuana it´s compatible to our own body <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> that´s why in small doses it´s harmelss but beneficial.
The most harmful effects come from the inhaling of its smoke (when the paper used burns, that´s where the poison is...or all other stuff that is mixed in it, tobacco with nicotine etc...)

When talking about "side effects" of it, it depends in what psychological status you are in or your "nature".
some people laughs, others cry, others become creative...at the end, people get released from their pain and relaxed. That is the final aim of Marijuana.

I believe that avoiding the burning process it´s the safest <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->.
What about a marijuana tea? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

wonder what is the trigger for your body to produce this?

Well, it´s our natural pain killer <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->....activated when "pain" or "stress" are on the way or happening...
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on September 15, 2010, 10:10:51 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "Gema"
Marijuana´s active ingredient is tetrahydrocannabinol. It has been found that there were ''natural opiates,'' called enkephalins, which the body produces and uses to relieve pain and stress.  
Some how we can say that Marijuana it´s compatible to our own body ;) that´s why in small doses it´s harmelss but beneficial.
The most harmful effects come from the inhaling of its smoke (when the paper used burns, that´s where the poison is...or all other stuff that is mixed in it, tobacco with nicotine etc...)

When talking about "side effects" of it, it depends in what psychological status you are in or your "nature".
some people laughs, others cry, others become creative...at the end, people get released from their pain and relaxed. That is the final aim of Marijuana.

I believe that avoiding the burning process it´s the safest :).
What about a marijuana tea? ;)

wonder what is the trigger for your body to produce this?

Well, it´s our natural pain killer ;)....activated when "pain" or "stress" are on the way or happening...
so what is the need for anything more? or do we do something that causes it to not function as it should. i had myself a little apithany when my son was in 3rd. grade when we wre working on spelling words. the word unhealthy .  un-heal-thy
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: BeTheChange on September 15, 2010, 10:19:16 AM
Quote from: "LethalChaos117"
Hey BeTheChange i promise there is good news for you. They have used her as a lab rat to destroy her chance at being a true testimony to God by using His way of medicine. But i promise this, All of your patience toward your daughter which I'm sure has been rough, will pay off SOON!! Just Believe and KNOW!! Search GrannyCrows list for information for your daughter disease and know this, The Best is yet to Come!!!!

Thanks for your kind words of hope and support.  It has been rough...it's the hardest thing I've had to deal with in life...but it has also been the most rewarding.  I will definitely search GrannyCrows, as well as the links you were kind enough to provide all of us with.  I pray that you are right!  And I do have hope...without hope I would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.

Of all the things I admire most about MJ, it has always been his desire and ability to let kids be kids...no matter their challenges.  

God bless you.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: curls on September 15, 2010, 10:23:54 AM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "curls"
If we want to get this back to it's relation to the hoax, I'll just say I thought it was conveniently found at MJ's home so he could bring the word 'hash' into the hoax - remember when we did the Twitter thing, and there was that strange phone call with Harvey on TMZ. Just a thought!

Where can I hear that phone call, do you have a link? I don't think I've heard that before...

And why is it important that the word "hash" was brought into the hoax? Might be a dumb question, forgive me, but it's early and I'm still half sleeping  :lol:

Hi jacilovesmichael - I've just spent ages looking for the old TMZ stuff relating to this but I can't find it. From what I remember, when we were doing the Twitter thing, trying to get #MJand Elvis a trending topic (or whatever the techi phrase is), back in June or July maybe, TMZ were doing the 'marijuana found at MJ's home' story and in one of the TMZ live shows, Harvey was talking about 'pot' and he got a phone call saying something like 'actually it was hash', and he mumbled something about them being the same thing but the caller must know what he was talking about. We, at least I, got the impression the caller was MJ, or someone very close to him, highlighting the word 'hash' to reinforce to us that we were on the right track doing the hashtag Twitter thing.

I'm so annoyed I can't find any links for you. Does anyone else remember this?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 15, 2010, 10:31:55 AM
Quote from: "curls"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "curls"
If we want to get this back to it's relation to the hoax, I'll just say I thought it was conveniently found at MJ's home so he could bring the word 'hash' into the hoax - remember when we did the Twitter thing, and there was that strange phone call with Harvey on TMZ. Just a thought!

Where can I hear that phone call, do you have a link? I don't think I've heard that before...

And why is it important that the word "hash" was brought into the hoax? Might be a dumb question, forgive me, but it's early and I'm still half sleeping  :lol:

Hi jacilovesmichael - I've just spent ages looking for the old TMZ stuff relating to this but I can't find it. From what I remember, when we were doing the Twitter thing, trying to get #MJand Elvis a trending topic (or whatever the techi phrase is), back in June or July maybe, TMZ were doing the 'marijuana found at MJ's home' story and in one of the TMZ live shows, Harvey was talking about 'pot' and he got a phone call saying something like 'actually it was hash', and he mumbled something about them being the same thing but the caller must know what he was talking about. We, at least I, got the impression the caller was MJ, or someone very close to him, highlighting the word 'hash' to reinforce to us that we were on the right track doing the hashtag Twitter thing.

I'm so annoyed I can't find any links for you. Does anyone else remember this?

Ohhhh, HASHTAG, I get it now!  :D  :lol:  Thanks!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Jude on September 16, 2010, 09:32:07 AM
RCMP nab enough hash to stone Canada

By Andy Blatchford, The Canadian Press, thecanadianpress.com, Updated: September 15, 2010 7:55 PM
RCMP nab enough hash to stone all of Canada
MONTREAL - The Mounties have seized a container packed with enough hashish to intoxicate the entire country.

Police in Montreal discovered seven tonnes of hashish — or about seven million grams.

The dark, laptop-sized hash bricks were discovered in an abandoned trailer Sunday in the city's west end.

"It's a big one," RCMP spokesman Cpl. Luc Thibault said of the seizure Wednesday.

"There's a lot of money involved in that — especially the street value. That's for sure."

Police have not made any arrests, but say they are investigating and hope to get leads from the public.

Officers found the slabs of hash shrouded in denim clothing and stuffed into cardboard boxes. The entire trailer was crammed with the drug.

"It's black and compact, like Plasticine," he said of the hash blocks, which police also refer to as cannabis resin.

Thibault indicated that this was one of the biggest hashish seizures his detachment can remember.

The Canadian population is around 33 million, which means the trailer contained over a gram of hash for every five people in the country.

Police received a call about the mysterious trucking container, which had been sitting in a suburban storage lot for several days.

"There was something suspicious so we obtained a (search) warrant," he said.

Thibault did not want to speculate on the potential street value of the load because he said it varies across the country. He also said it depends on quality of the hash, which has not been determined.

A 2007 RCMP report on the drug situation in Canada pegged the average street price of hash at $10 per gram — at that rate, this seizure would be worth $70 million.

In all of 2007, the report said the Mounties seized just 227 kilograms of hashish.

The RCMP report indicated the demand for hash is concentrated in Quebec and Ontario, primarily in Montreal and Toronto.

Morocco, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, India and Jamaica are some of the world's biggest hash producers, the RCMP says.

The Mounties' website says the effects of smoking or ingesting hashish are similar to marijuana, but often more intense.


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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 18, 2010, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: "Jude"
RCMP nab enough hash to stone Canada

By Andy Blatchford, The Canadian Press, thecanadianpress.com, Updated: September 15, 2010 7:55 PM
RCMP nab enough hash to stone all of Canada
MONTREAL - The Mounties have seized a container packed with enough hashish to intoxicate the entire country.

Police in Montreal discovered seven tonnes of hashish — or about seven million grams.

The dark, laptop-sized hash bricks were discovered in an abandoned trailer Sunday in the city's west end.

"It's a big one," RCMP spokesman Cpl. Luc Thibault said of the seizure Wednesday.

"There's a lot of money involved in that — especially the street value. That's for sure."

Police have not made any arrests, but say they are investigating and hope to get leads from the public.

Officers found the slabs of hash shrouded in denim clothing and stuffed into cardboard boxes. The entire trailer was crammed with the drug.

"It's black and compact, like Plasticine," he said of the hash blocks, which police also refer to as cannabis resin.

Thibault indicated that this was one of the biggest hashish seizures his detachment can remember.

The Canadian population is around 33 million, which means the trailer contained over a gram of hash for every five people in the country.

Police received a call about the mysterious trucking container, which had been sitting in a suburban storage lot for several days.

"There was something suspicious so we obtained a (search) warrant," he said.

Thibault did not want to speculate on the potential street value of the load because he said it varies across the country. He also said it depends on quality of the hash, which has not been determined.

A 2007 RCMP report on the drug situation in Canada pegged the average street price of hash at $10 per gram — at that rate, this seizure would be worth $70 million.

In all of 2007, the report said the Mounties seized just 227 kilograms of hashish.

The RCMP report indicated the demand for hash is concentrated in Quebec and Ontario, primarily in Montreal and Toronto.

Morocco, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, India and Jamaica are some of the world's biggest hash producers, the RCMP says.

The Mounties' website says the effects of smoking or ingesting hashish are similar to marijuana, but often more intense.


 :x  :roll:

Wow. Thanks for the article Jude! It seems so crazy that so much effort goes into busting things like this.. reminds me of MJ's song "Why You Wanna Trip On Me".

By the way, is your name really Jude? Everytime I read your posts I have "Hey Jude" playing in my head..  :D
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: rag doll on September 18, 2010, 12:02:19 PM
Gimme dope - er - HOPE - Joanna...  
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:
laughing flash
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: rag doll on September 18, 2010, 12:24:42 PM
Some swinging tunes of the "Golden Age" for those who are interested:
http://www.amazon.com/Dope-Glory-Variou ... l_1#disc_1 (http://www.amazon.com/Dope-Glory-Various-Artists/dp/samples/B000062UZC/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_1)
 ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SEHF on September 19, 2010, 05:39:45 PM
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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SEHF on September 19, 2010, 06:04:41 PM
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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Mj5StarChick on September 19, 2010, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: "curls"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "curls"
If we want to get this back to it's relation to the hoax, I'll just say I thought it was conveniently found at MJ's home so he could bring the word 'hash' into the hoax - remember when we did the Twitter thing, and there was that strange phone call with Harvey on TMZ. Just a thought!

Where can I hear that phone call, do you have a link? I don't think I've heard that before...

And why is it important that the word "hash" was brought into the hoax? Might be a dumb question, forgive me, but it's early and I'm still half sleeping  :lol:

Hi jacilovesmichael - I've just spent ages looking for the old TMZ stuff relating to this but I can't find it. From what I remember, when we were doing the Twitter thing, trying to get #MJand Elvis a trending topic (or whatever the techi phrase is), back in June or July maybe, TMZ were doing the 'marijuana found at MJ's home' story and in one of the TMZ live shows, Harvey was talking about 'pot' and he got a phone call saying something like 'actually it was hash', and he mumbled something about them being the same thing but the caller must know what he was talking about. We, at least I, got the impression the caller was MJ, or someone very close to him, highlighting the word 'hash' to reinforce to us that we were on the right track doing the hashtag Twitter thing.

I'm so annoyed I can't find any links for you. Does anyone else remember this?
Sorry if I'm wrong and jumping in the convo :oops: but here's an old TMZ article about it not being Heroin in the house and 2 baggies of Marijuana. Is this what article you meant?


Heroin at Jackson's House -- Not So Fast
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/08/27/0625_mj_getty_52479799_ex-1.jpg)
UPDATE: A source connected with the case tells TMZ the "tar heroin" was tested -- and the results showed it was not heroin of any kind. This is not reflected in the warrant.

A search warrant affidavit just released from the search of Michael Jackson's home says the Jackson family notified L.A. County Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter that they found "tar heroin in a bag" in Jackson's bedroom. Chief Winter notified LAPD detectives of the found evidence.

The search also turned up two baggies of "marijuana."

Cops also found Benoquin in the master bathroom. Benoquin is a bleaching cream.

The affidavit also says surveillance cameras at Jackson's home captured Dr. Conrad Murray arriving at 1:00 AM the day Jackson died.

As for what else was found during the search -- an empty bottle of Lorazepam, an empty bottle of Diazepam, a baggy with the medical label with the name Dr. Conrad Murray, 2 cigarette packs, 1 cigarette paper, 4 pill bottles and 1 shaving case.

Detective Orlando Martinez wrote, "Conversations with family members lead me to believe that there may be additional medications and/or narcotics at the location as well as the necessity to confiscate these items for the safety of the minor children."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/27/heroin-fo ... ons-house/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/27/heroin-found-at-michael-jacksons-house/)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: chappie on September 20, 2010, 01:31:01 AM
Heroin at Jackson's House -- Not So Fast
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/08/27/0625_mj_getty_52479799_ex-1.jpg)
UPDATE: A source connected with the case tells TMZ the "tar heroin" was tested -- and the results showed it was not heroin of any kind. This is not reflected in the warrant.

A search warrant affidavit just released from the search of Michael Jackson's home says the Jackson family notified L.A. County Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter that they found "tar heroin in a bag" in Jackson's bedroom. Chief Winter notified LAPD detectives of the found evidence.

The search also turned up two baggies of "marijuana."

Cops also found Benoquin in the master bathroom. Benoquin is a bleaching cream.

The affidavit also says surveillance cameras at Jackson's home captured Dr. Conrad Murray arriving at 1:00 AM the day Jackson died.

As for what else was found during the search -- an empty bottle of Lorazepam, an empty bottle of Diazepam, a baggy with the medical label with the name Dr. Conrad Murray, 2 cigarette packs, 1 cigarette paper, 4 pill bottles and 1 shaving case.

Detective Orlando Martinez wrote, "Conversations with family members lead me to believe that there may be additional medications and/or narcotics at the location as well as the necessity to confiscate these items for the safety of the minor children."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/27/heroin-fo ... ons-house/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/27/heroin-found-at-michael-jacksons-house/)
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Who was doing the search?
His own family?
Empty house, no staff and they leave the kids alone at the crime scene... ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: kemre on September 20, 2010, 01:42:47 AM
I support the legalization of marijuana.

I was in a car accident in which a COW came through my car windshield landing on my lap, nearly smothering me to death.

I sustained serious injuries to my back and 100s of shards of glass in my face from the windshield amongst other injuries.

Marijuana was about the only way I could live with the back pain!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: AirSlide on September 20, 2010, 01:46:58 AM
Marijuana is alot better than the man made pain pills that make me puke my guts out.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: chappie on September 20, 2010, 01:58:41 AM
And it makes you sleep so good....better then propofol.... ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: kemre on September 20, 2010, 02:01:35 AM
Quote from: "chappie"
And it makes you sleep so good....better then propofol.... ;)

Ahhh! That's the truth!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: LethalChaos117 on September 20, 2010, 07:51:57 AM
A lil coffee and lil flame when you wake and you will dance and shake like MJ!!! Why them eyes red boy? Cause i got good blood flow why else?!!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 20, 2010, 10:01:10 AM
Quote from: "chappie"
And it makes you sleep so good....better then propofol.... ;)
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on September 20, 2010, 10:52:56 AM
Marijuana .............. the better thing for the insomnia ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Its her on May 10, 2012, 04:06:27 PM
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I have tryed and tryed on here to tell everyone that MJ is freeing the MJ. Who is the girl he always talked about. What girl is Invincible? What girl is dangerous? Should we trust MJ over morphine? You bet! Strange disease with no cure, HAHA he said.   "MJ" Michael the archangel reveals and is the trumpet blower for the tree of life. I know the redirects sometimes go to bible verses. Can anyone disprove any of these verses or information. Just remember its a demonstration for freedom. What is in prison that must be freed? "MJ" The part of the message we keep failing to see. He didn't have all these tons of sorcery pharmacy drugs in his house just for giggles. Pure Genius!! But really just one who let God guide him down that straight and narrow!

Is it really true that the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations? (Revelation 22:2) Is it really true that the leaves are for medicine? (Ezekiel 47:12) Is it really true that the anointing oil breaks the yoke of our bondage? (Isaiah 10:27) Is it really true that Jesus taught his apostles to anoint the sick with oil? (Mark 6:13) Is it really true that a plant God gave us that has tons of potential to do good isn't allowed due to greed, hate, and racism? Is it really true that Matthew 7:18 says A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Is it really true that the field is wasted and the oil fails? (Joel 1:10) Is it true that oil might be a desirable treasure for a wise man? (Proverbs 21:20) Is it true that God will raise up for us a plant of renown? (Ezekiel 34:29) Is it true that if we obey and overcome that we are allowed to eat of the tree of life? (Revelation 2:7) Is it true that God told us a certain leaf would fade? (Jeremiah 8:13) Is it true that Jeremiah also said the herbs would wither? (Jeremiah 12:4) Is it true that prohibition against certain meats or herbs angers the Lord? (I Timothy 4:1-11) Is it really true that we are to study to show thyself approved? ( II Timothy 2:15) Is it really true that God made all herbs that yield seed and said that they are good? (Genesis 1:11-12, 29-30) Is it really true that your cup runs over once anointed with oil? (Psalm 23:5) Is it true that the wise men brought oil "the gold" to the birth of Jesus? (Matthew 2:11) Is it true that Jesus wants us to buy his gold? (Revelation 3:18) Is it really true that best medicine ever is the anointing oil? (Exodus 30:22-25) Is it true that James wrote to anoint the sick with the oil of the Lord? (James 5:14) Is it true that the anointing teaches us? (I John 2:20-27) Is it really true that the herb is for the service of men? (Psalm 104:14-15) Is it true that Jesus taught us to observe ALL things he taught? (Matthew 28:20) Is it true that oil was brought to the tomb where Jesus lay? (Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1, John 19:39-40) Is it true that the ones who does His commandments will have the right to the tree of life? (Revelation 22:14) Is it really true that we are deceived by sorcery and that sorcery is PHARMAKIA in original Hebrew language? (Revelation 18:23) Is it really true that the ointment of the Lord heals wounds, bruises, sores plus much more? (Isaiah 1:6) Is it true that sweet calamus,fragrant cane, fragrant calamus, aromatic cane, sweet smelling cane all translate out in original Hebrew to Kaneh-Bosm? Is it true that Kaneh-Bosm is the Hebrew world for Cannabis or Hemp Blossoms which was used in the anointing oil that was so broadly talked about in the Holy Bible but is silent in the Church today? Is it really true that cannabis is a plant that grows from a seed that God said was good? IT IS TRUE THAT THE FRUIT HEALS AND NOT KILLS!!!!GOD BLESS EVERYONE!!!!!! It is truly time to stand up and be bold about the Word of God and doing what he has commanded and demonstrated to us. We must wake up and realize the gift that we waste. There is no more time to waste. There is no longer no excuse for lack of knowledge. We are destroyed for lack of knowledge! ( Hosea 4:6) The cures to these diseases come from the Word and are wrote clear right between the pages of Scripture. Is it true that we are not being persecuted today because of our omission to do the things that Jesus did teach and command us to do? Faith is action that takes courage to use the knowledge given to obtain wisdom! All things are possible with GOD!
am i understanding you to say that this hoax was done to get marijuana legalized ?

:icon_albino: I'd like to resurrect this thread, as there is so much life saving truth in it!!

Just as an example of the way TPTB have brainwashed ME: when I was 16 a drug class was required at my high school. We were literally indoctrinated AGAINST hemp/hash (calling it "marijuana" and " dope", to give it that alien, trespassing, "anti-american flavor"). It was an evil which opened the door to all manner of hard drugs, addiction, madness and death. Plus, people who were caught with it did hard time and wasted their childbearing years in prison. Due to some recent research, I have done a complete, happy dancing 180, ruined only by the fact that it is illegal everywhere except, MAYbe, some obscure patch of farmland in Brazil, and a guy there already denied it in the comments below the article. :over-react-smiley: :over-react-smiley: KNOWING what this GOD-supplied HERB DOES, the state of its unavailability is unconscionable!    :Crash: :Crash: :Crash:

(An adjective meaning ALL of THIS:  atrocious, blackguard, completely unreasonable, conniving, conscienceless, corrupt, criminal, designing, dishonest, dishonorable, excessive, exorbitant, extreme, grievous, grossly unjust, immoderate, impermissible, indefensible, inequitable, inexcusable, inexpiable, inordinate, intemperate, intriguing, knavish, monstrous, outrageous, preposterous, rascally, reprehensible, tricky, unbalanced, undue, unequal, unethical, unfair, unforgivable, unjust, unjustifiable, unprincipled, unreasonable, unscrupulous, wrong!!!! 

I read about how a LOT of the studies the American government did on this lovely plant between the thirties and seventies, was DESTROYED to prevent word getting out about what they found. It is literally a "tree of Life".

Independent, educated (meaning actual scientists), people of conscience have done their own secret studies, and found that every major organ in the human body has SO many receptors SPECIFICALLY for MJ (well, him, too :icon_e_wink: ) (I mean cannabis) it's unmistakable that this plant was DESIGNED for US, on purpose, by the One who made us, to keep us well and whole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The most of these receptors are in the brain!!!! Take THAT, TPTB :icon_exclaim::TongueOutSmiley: :TongueOutSmiley: :TongueOutSmiley:

I am sooooo angry. Not for just being duped, but for being indoctrinated at school as an innocent!  :-\ :-\   I am so sick and tired of people I know/hear about having a cancer in various frightening stages of rotting, horrendous suffering, and dying FROM the chemo and radiation, which RUIN all the organs in the body, and not just the ones targeted by the "treatments" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I heard that one can get medical MJ for the nausea caused by the "treatments", but conveniently, this is only if they can get you to AGREE to take the "treatments", and ONLY :icon_evil: :icon_evil: in "end-stage" disease, when it is too late, so no one will discover that it would have CURED them. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Cancer is an OBSCENE major money maker. Chemo is not the only thing available to kill cancers. We now have technology developed for war (of course), which involves targeting the kill to the disease's specific DNA.  Any disease in an organ which has a wayward dna "signature" can be killed, without harming ANY other organs or systems. ??? Of course, it was developed for ethnic cleansing, so they don't want people to know they HAVE this.

Chemo & radiation are better, longer duration money makers, helping to funnel money out of the hands of older private citizens, by selling their homes to pay for this after insurance is exhausted ( :icon_evil: :Crash: 'well, they're gonna die, anyway, no need to give it to their beneficiaries'), AND kill two more birds with one stone:

Utilizing the fact that mostly everyone over 35 has some form of degenerative disease in the works, (yes, you, too, if you've ever taken or are on now, certain of their prescriptions AND over the counter chemicals, which have natural alternatives), to both thin out the herd (for Mission: Population Control), and make themselves FILTHY rich handing out, like candy, their expensive treatments and FALSE HOPES to already terrified and hurting people and their families.

This is such a dirty evil, I would not doubt it one bit, if Michael Jackson is intending to "Free the Tree". No one has said it works against all cancers or diseases, but if it only killed half of them, it would still be "the greatest demonstration of freedom" in history.  :) I heard that we will be voting on decriminalizing the cure, in 2012. Educate yourself and BE READY :icon_bounce: to vote :icon_e_ugeek:. There are way more of us than them, and in America, at least, we can even overrule the President and Congress with an initiative of our own on the ballot :icon_e_wink:.

If this is any part of what this hoax is for, I am all in :icon_exclaim:  :icon_bounce: I mean more than ever.  :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

I may as well throw this in, too: aspartame is a NEUROTOXIN. Some people notice effects right away; some had to wait until companies were putting it in everything, to become ill. It can cause incontinence, and send women to the hospital for a thousands of dollars of surgery for nothing, or at the very least, (because there is nothing obviously wrong to the doctors' trained eye and they don't believe you!!) happy pills, which people are discovering are bringing back birth defects, BIGTIME!! Just stop eating aspartame. Stop the brain pills. They KNOW what these chemicals do and they are doing it to US, because bottom line, they DON'T really care about us. Allthey care about is satisfying their GREED.  :Crash:

Hospitals in the 2000s have become like carnivals, complete with live piano music in the lobbies and food stations, such as "Subway" (the ONLY healthy thing IN a hospital, but it is a MISDIRECTION, kids!!!! :affraid:) and cafeterias in the lobby right where you enter the buildings! Well, yeah, :icon_evil: play that funky music...let them think you're celebrating HEALTH, when really, the SECRET song is: ♫ We're In The Money, We're In the Money....♫

I need to tell you this, too: If you begin to treat yourself with mj or hemp oil and are still going to your doctor, DON'T tell them what you are doing! They can tell something is immediately different by your bloodwork, and the appearance of your lesions, and the fact that you don't appear listless and hopeless (!!) and will nag you relentlessly to "share" with them. Do NOT. They may seem caring and interested, but their JOB is to sell you on C & R!!!!!!!!!! Everyone is not remotely up to speed on which WAY to believe...They are on the wrong side and WILL bust you out, thinking they will get brownie points for exposing something cutting into the hospitals' profits. You MAY be able to get "The Cure" in prison, but you can't count on it. I don't mean to scare anyone but these are scary, evil times.

I have not used the cure, yet; a childhood malady prevents me from inhaling anything larger than a single speck of micro-dust. Trying to figure out where to get it safely, in a friendly form, and especially the hemp oil itself. It apparently is not illegal to buy the seeds, but you can't eat them, for any pesticides or fertilizer they sprayed them with, in order to get them through the mail all over the world.  :-\

Anyway, they said they found :icon_albino: molding :icon_albino:  rotten bags of mj at the death site. I think it is significant to this hoax. TPTB are preventing a priceless healing herb from being utilized! It is molding   when it could be CURING. I think that was the message of that... What do you guys think, NOW, with two year, open hoax eyes?

@Suspiciousmind, I meant to thank you earlier. Thank you  :icon_e_biggrin: for the Picture of young MJ. What a healing sight for sore eyes!!  ;) :)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 10, 2012, 06:15:35 PM
OMG!! this thread is a jewelery!!

Need to read that thoroughly later!!


@Its her: you never cease to amaze me!!!  :bowdown:

Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 10, 2012, 06:16:50 PM
All I have in my mind right now...is Bob Marley and Snoop !! for all the obvious reasons!!  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Andrea on May 10, 2012, 06:33:21 PM
I love this guy's take on marijuana.  He's hilarious too!  And angry.  :icon_lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2kFOLnAwm4[/youtube]
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Its her on May 10, 2012, 07:25:13 PM
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OMG!! this thread is a jewelery!!

Need to read that thoroughly later!!


@Its her: you never cease to amaze me!!!  :bowdown:

 :bowdown:Let me tell you: it is mutual, then, because I am amazed at how you put all kinds of stuff together or HOW you find it! (All those clothes that Elvis and MJ coincidentally wore, all the alike trial clothes, all the stuff in ALL your montages :affraid: :icon_bounce:, the stuff in the Mind Games thread)!  Girl, I think you must have one ear to the ground, keeping up with that PuppetMaster pretty darn good!  ??? Telepathy, much? I so appreciate your DILLIGENT research!!!  :th_bravo:  :) :) :) You are in the Hoax Zone!   :beerchug:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 10, 2012, 07:59:54 PM
@Its her: oh my! thank you!! Means a lot, especially coming from you!  (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/coeur-neon-lumineux.gif)
Love you sis'!  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Tink on May 10, 2012, 09:47:27 PM
Actually, in the MMJ community out here in California, we've had real issues with mold - it causes pneumonia, and other respiratory diseases. The growers must check for it.

A doctor gives you a referral out here, and you go to a MMJ club legally, as long as you're under the limit. Two bags is definitely under the limit. Hash is also allowed, oils are allowed, along with edibles. Some cities are causing problems with the shops.

But I can't fathom 2 moldy bags of MMJ on Michael's premises - unless it belonged to someone else.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on May 11, 2012, 01:25:36 AM
You could tell this story was fake right away because no one would let good pot go moldy.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SEHF on May 11, 2012, 03:54:39 AM
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/LolTurtleDope1.jpg)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: BeTheChange on May 12, 2012, 04:56:20 PM
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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 12, 2012, 05:55:23 PM
Photo posted by Front in this thread: Official back & Front thread (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=21825.3250)

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"Puff... Puff... NO PASS" Amsterdam 2012 - 420 Style Anti-Weedpass Smoke-out PROTEST! (http://www.coffeeshopnieuws.nl/4-20-2012-smokeout)
Are Tourists Still Allowed in Amsterdam's Cannabis Coffeeshops? (http://goamsterdam.about.com/od/Amsterdam-For-Over-18s/f/Are-Tourists-Still-Allowed-At-Cannabis-Coffeeshops.htm)

Amsterdam - Cannabis suppliers in Amsterdam's 234 coffee shops walk a tight-rope between what is legal and what is not. - Watch Drugs Inc. Videos Online - National Geographic Channel - Canada (http://natgeotv.com/ca/drugs-inc/videos/amsterdam)

Netherlands Coffee Shops: Tourists To Be Banned From Legal Marijuana Cafes (VIDEO) - Netherlands Coffee Shops: Tourists To Be Banned From Legal Marijuana Cafes (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/netherlands-coffee-shops-marijuana-tourists_n_1095231.html)

Why Marijuana Should Be Legalized: An Expert’s Perspective - The Plead to Legalize Weed | Exploring the benefits of California's Proposition 19 to legalize the recreational use of marijuana (http://publicspeaking1101.wordpress.com/)

Netherlands Delays Plan To Ban Tourists From Buying Marijuana - Toke of the Town (http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/12/netherlands_delays_plan_to_ban_tourists_from_buyin.php)
Tourist Smoking Ban Latest News in Amsterdam (http://www.amsterdamstay.com/smokingnban.html)
Zero-tolerance on cannabis in Amsterdam | NowPublic Photo Archives (http://www.nowpublic.com/strange/zero-tolerance-cannabis-amsterdam-0)

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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 12, 2012, 06:03:15 PM
----- > Cannabis Lollipop - Hemperium Amsterdam - Hemp Health Foods (http://www.cannabislollipop.com/)

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-kDpnArNg4[/youtube]

----- >  Bob Marley in Cannabis, Musical Icon in a Pop Art style Poster: 91.5cm x 61cm - Buy Online (http://www.popartuk.com/music/bob-marley/bob-marley-in-cannabis-lp1175-poster.asp)

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UciGqW80iC0[/youtube]


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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 12, 2012, 06:17:26 PM
Other interesting links:

------ > Consciousness TV | ** New Cannabis Documentary ** (http://worldtruth.tv/new-cannabis-documentary/)
------ > A Beginners Guide for Medical Cannabis | Berkeley Patients Care Collective (http://berkeleypatientscare.com/2011/01/20/a-beginners-guide-for-medical-cannabis/)
------ > Belfast 420 Smokeout Report | Cannabis N.I. (http://cannabisni.com/northern-ireland-cannabis-news/2284-belfast-420-smokeout-report)

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------ > What is the Safest Way to Use Cannabis? (http://www.cannabis-spain.com/blog/what-is-the-safest-way-to-use-cannabis/)
------ > Cannabis Ice Tea, at kuldmaa's moblog (http://moblog.net/view/905706/cannabis-ice-tea)
------ > http://www.123rf.com/photo_8610753_the-words-medical-marijuana-surrounding-a-cannabis-leaf-icon.html (http://www.123rf.com/photo_8610753_the-words-medical-marijuana-surrounding-a-cannabis-leaf-icon.html)

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------ > Medical Marijuana | Cannabis | Hemp Legalization (http://imarijuana.com/)
------ > Legal Status of Cannabis in Europe Map - Europe • mappery (http://mappery.com/Legal-Status-of-Cannabis-in-Europe-Map)
------ > Origins of Cannabis International Foundation by Dr. William Courtney (http://www.cannabisinternational.org/about.php)
------ > Global Marijuana March 2010 - Cannabis Wiki (http://cannabis.wikia.com/wiki/Global_Marijuana_March_2010)

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------ > Cannabis Ruderalis - Cannabis & Marijuana Seeds :: Seedsman (http://www.seedsman.com/en/cannabis-ruderalis/)
------ > http://gossip.whyfame.com/paul-mccartney-quits-smoking-cannabis-16156 (http://gossip.whyfame.com/paul-mccartney-quits-smoking-cannabis-16156)
------ > Modern Uses for the Cannabis Plant | I Love Weed (http://iloveweed.net/2011/11/modern-uses-for-the-cannabis-plant/)
------ > Thanks Cannabis | AtmosRAW (http://www.atmosraw.com/htgb/marijuana/thanks-cannabis/)

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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 12, 2012, 07:23:30 PM
From this thread ---- >  For those of you losing faith, take a look "BACK" shall we? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=5167.6150)
Quote from: Front
And please, no driving jokes or you might find another one of the "chef's" speciality desserts delivered to your doorstep…instead of a BAMcake, you might get a different KIND of "BAM"cake--- B(rown)A(nd)M(oldy) cake! [/color]

From this thread ---- > For those of you losing faith, take a look "BACK" shall we? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=5167.msg362989#msg362989)
Quote from: Front
okay, okay…no more rotten/moldy cakes!

From this thread ----- > For those of you losing faith, take a look "BACK" shall we? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=5167.msg352871#msg352871)
Quote from: Front
Well, it's a little old now. Just pretend it's fruitcake… with green pieces only.

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From this thread ---- > For those of you losing faith, take a look "BACK" shall we? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=5167.msg351716#msg351716)

Quote from: Front
yea I know it's a little late, but we wanted to share some post-birthday/pre-bam cake with all you lovely ppl……..   party/

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MARIJUANA BROWNIES MOLDY CAKES

Cooking with moldy bud? (http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/83812-cooking-moldy-bud.html)

Moldy Marijuana, The Straight Dope - Erowid Cannabis Vault : Articles & Writings (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_writings3.shtml)
^^ "Insects in pot are less intense. Growroom critters, such as aphids and spider mites, rarely damage marijuana after harvest."

"Cannabis foods (including hash brownies and space cakes), are food products made with cannabis in herbal or resin form as an ingredient." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_foods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_foods)

How to Bake Marijuana Brownies (http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-bake-marijuana-brownies/)
WEED BROWNIES | LUUUX (http://www.luuux.com/food/weed-brownies)
Space Cakes: When 420 Meet Marshmallow Crispy Treats : Tracy Renee Jones (http://tracyreneejones.com/2012/02/space-cakes-when-420-meet-marshmallow-crispy-treats/)

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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: RK on May 12, 2012, 08:18:59 PM
Every time I think of the small stash of moldy old dope found at Carolwood, I think of the part of Frank Cascio's book where he says.......
page282.
One of the first things I'd done when I arrived at the ranch was to check to see if my small stash of pot was still in it's hiding place in my room. I was worried that the police might have found it in the raid  and that somehow it would be used against Michael.
Michael had always been against pot and other illegal drugs. But back in Miami, a year earlier, Michael had spent some time with two of the former Bee Gees., Maurice Gibb, who was on his death bed, and Barry Gibb. When Barry told Michael he had recorded his greatest songs when he was smoking pot, Michael was intrigued.


So....the book goes on into Frank and MJ kickin' back and smoking a few numbers together as guys do.....but in the few paragraph I wrote out above, we have a few tie ins with the hoax.
a] a small stash of old Mary Jane . Interesting to note that the same initials are used for both Michael and marijuana.
b] It was missed in the raid on Neverland.  :icon_e_confused: I thought they went through that place with a fine tooth comb.
c] We have a death bed scenario with Maurice. I wonder if he was on medical marijuana for pain relief at that time.
d] And Barry smoked. We can't forget Barry's little Christmas present to us with the song and unreleased studio footage of MJ and himself recording 'It's all in your name'.

 
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 12, 2012, 08:58:39 PM
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Every time I think of the small stash of moldy old dope found at Carolwood, I think of the part of Frank Cascio's book where he says.......
page282.
One of the first things I'd done when I arrived at the ranch was to check to see if my small stash of pot was still in it's hiding place in my room. I was worried that the police might have found it in the raid  and that somehow it would be used against Michael.
Michael had always been against pot and other illegal drugs. But back in Miami, a year earlier, Michael had spent some time with two of the former Bee Gees., Maurice Gibb, who was on his death bed, and Barry Gibb. When Barry told Michael he had recorded his greatest songs when he was smoking pot, Michael was intrigued.


So....the book goes on into Frank and MJ kickin' back and smoking a few numbers together as guys do.....but in the few paragraph I wrote out above, we have a few tie ins with the hoax.
a] a small stash of old Mary Jane . Interesting to note that the same initials are used for both Michael and marijuana.
b] It was missed in the raid on Neverland.  :icon_e_confused: I thought they went through that place with a fine tooth comb.
c] We have a death bed scenario with Maurice. I wonder if he was on medical marijuana for pain relief at that time.
d] And Barry smoked. We can't forget Barry's little Christmas present to us with the song and unreleased studio footage of MJ and himself recording 'It's all in your name'.

I missed this, was it confirmed MJ smoked pot? Hahaha, that's great. I would LOVE to smoke one with him! I rarely smoke pot, maybe once every 5 years or so, but I think smoking pot with Michael could be hilarious.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on May 12, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
Yeah I'm not sure we should assume that MJ smokes dope or even is a legalization supporter.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: wishingstar on May 12, 2012, 09:41:33 PM
OMGosh...you guys are hilarious......
@BTC...underground bunker  :thjajaja121:
he would think of everything!!! 

@Sim....the cannabis lolly....girl, what are you trying to do me~ LOL......

@Souza.....I can't even imagine it, pot with MJ night...wow...I don't smoke it, but have a very vivid imagination and sense of humor...hilarious! I bet you would out moonwalk him for sure!!!!

Blessings

BTW......
Souza...congrats on being 100%!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: BeTheChange on May 12, 2012, 09:59:57 PM
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I missed this, was it confirmed MJ smoked pot? Hahaha, that's great. I would LOVE to smoke one with him! I rarely smoke pot, maybe once every 5 years or so, but I think smoking pot with Michael could be hilarious.

x777

Mike....pot...super soakers....amusement park rides...dancing....and a whole bunch of candy.

Now that would be a party!

That would knock a few things off my bucket list.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 13, 2012, 04:13:23 AM
I thought I'd better bring this discussion over here, from Front's thread.
Official back & Front thread (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=21825.msg403237#msg403237)



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Hey Front ! Just to let you know that there are some Holy BAMcakes for ya
 in this thread here ---- > Michael and Marijuana (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=14048.new#new)
 Just the way you like them .... brownies and moldy  :icon_e_wink: :icon_geek:
SimPattyK, All that stuff you found and posted there!!! Very cool. Eeeww, and I almost forgot about that mmmm-moldy :icon_eek: cake he made us!!! :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: I think BAMcakes OR brownies, they should have a unique punch, go green and all that, but no mold, please. Let's use that special  :icon_albino: butter. :icon_bounce: Oh, and ice cream and hot caramel sauce. :beerchug: 
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: aaahhh I was waiting for your reaction!!
 I wanted to thank you for having resurrected the marijuana thread! Everything I posted there, all the montages & connections I made, were inspired by what you wrote there and other things that I found in that thread!

Until now I had NO IDEA that Cannabis (MaryJuana - ironically MJ loll ) had a beneficial/healing effect on the human body! nor that it can cure/prevent cancer!
When I first saw the thread title I told myself  :WTF: ?? I thought it was a Spammer having fun or just another Matt Fiddes "interview" !! lmao  :icon_lol: But I saw your username and I opened just to read what you wrote and I was like "Jesus!!" (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Surpris/G_04BI%7E1.GIF)

Then all the bells started ringing in my head! Bob Marley & Paris' bracelet, Front talking about weeds (trees, forest ... "green stuff" loll ).
Then I remembered that few years ago I saw this TV series - "Weeds" which was all about growing and using it!! (at that time I was thinking those guys were nutcases, but I watched because they were funny!  :icon_lol: ), but I remember they were cooking marijuana "BROWN cakes" and having parties!!!  :icon_lol: So there you go , that immediately made me think of Front's Brownies And Moldy cakes (BAMcakes), he insisted so much on them, last summer he mentioned them several times!  lmao  :icon_lol:
Then I thought about all the GREEN-clues and the LEAF - patterns that we saw imprinted on their CLOTHES, I talked about that in the this thread ---- > MJ & Elvis are ALIVE ~ THE CLOTHES "SPEAK" clues TO US (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20312.75)
Then I researched info about MariJuana and I stumbled upon all these articles about AMESTERDAM and that law that bans pot smokers in 2012... So... maybe that was Front's Amsterdam t-shirt all about!

BTW, @Front: there are some delicious BAM-Lollipops too on that thread! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Manger/0078.gif)(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Manger/0078.gif)(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Manger/0078.gif) Made in Amsterdam! ( Michael and Marijuana (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=14048.new#new) )  :icon_lol: :icon_lol:


----- > Showtime : Weeds : Home (http://www.sho.com/sho/weeds/home)
----- >   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weeds_%28TV_series%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weeds_%28TV_series%29) (watch the release-dates of the seasons and the song titles from the film-soundtrack ;  also a Book was published on August 7, 2007 by Simon Spotlight, a division of Simon and Schuster !!! )


SPIDER WEB, BROWN CAKES, BATHTUB....  hummm ....
Makes you wonder who's the film-director? right!? :icon_e_wink:


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From this thread ---- > For those of you losing faith, take a look "BACK" shall we? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=5167.msg351716#msg351716)
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yea I know it's a little late, but we wanted to share some post-birthday/pre-bam cake with all you lovely ppl……..   party/

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From this thread ---- >  For those of you losing faith, take a look "BACK" shall we? (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=5167.6150)
Quote from: Front
And please, no driving jokes or you might find another one of the "chef's" speciality desserts delivered to your doorstep…instead of a BAMcake, you might get a different KIND of "BAM"cake--- B(rown)A(nd)M(oldy) cake! [/color]
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 13, 2012, 04:27:26 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Turtle_weed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Turtle_weed),_Chlorodesmis_fastigiata,_at_6_meters_depth.jpg

Can turtles get high? - Grasscity.com Forums (http://forum.grasscity.com/recreational-marijuana-use/88495-can-turtles-get-high.html)

SEE VIDEO ---- > Turtle Smokes A Joint | Marijuana.com (http://www.marijuana.com/threads/turtle-smokes-a-joint.208320/)   :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puh3VxlmlRs[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqtY88BUi0M[/youtube]

Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 13, 2012, 04:36:41 AM
----- > Turtle Power - Types of weed, the medical Marijuana blog with all types of weed info (http://www.typesofweed.com/turtle-power)

----- > Purple Power - Types of weed, the medical Marijuana blog with all types of weed info (http://www.typesofweed.com/purple-power)

NOW I GET ALL THE PURPLE CLOTHES & CONNECTIONS !!!

Jesus!!! :icon_eek: :icon_eek:

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Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MJonmind on May 13, 2012, 05:27:31 AM
Simpa, this was so funny!
Can turtles get high? - Grasscity.com Forums (http://forum.grasscity.com/recreational-marijuana-use/88495-can-turtles-get-high.html)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Grace on May 13, 2012, 05:41:56 AM
What about Mr. Raffles van Exel giving the (known) flying drug courier between Amsterdam and L.A.?


Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: gwynned on May 13, 2012, 10:49:44 AM
That does it.  BAM Party at my house.  I live in HUMBOLDT!!! ;D

I have to say this thread is quite a surprise to me.  I have been a (legal) use for some time for anxiety and sleeplessness.  I take no prescription drugs, have not seen a doctor in years and only occasionally will have a drink.  YET, I still feel like a criminal  :icon_redface:  even though most people I know are on some kind of medication, including anti-depressants, and drink far more heavily than I do.   :WTF:

Not surprisingly, it's about the only illegal drug that one could simply grow at home with little cost or gardening expertise.  But then, who would make money on all those unnecessary prescription drugs. 

Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PureLove on May 13, 2012, 11:26:24 AM
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Yeah I'm not sure we should assume that MJ smokes dope or even is a legalization supporter.

Agreed. And also we shouldn't forget that there're kids on the forum! We shouldn't write like marijuana is just like some candy. Most of the posts in this thread could be understood like an encouragement to smoke or use marijuana. We shouldn't forget about the side effects of it. That's why it is still illegal in most of the countries. If people want to have fun and relax or become creative, there're other ways which do not threaten your health! You do not need to drink alcohol or use illegal drugs.

   

Marijuana Side Effects

Marijuana side effects come from smoking or consuming the drug and marijuana side effects influence the mind and body of the user. Marijuana side effects can be as seemingly innocent as an increased appetite to as life threatening as lung cancer. Increased likelihood for accidents is also one of the marijuana side effects. Studies show that 6 to 11 percent of fatal accidents are contributed to by marijuana side effects. Other external marijuana side effects include legal problems, work and financial problems and troubles at home.

Marijuana is most often smoked but can be eaten or steeped in tea to drink. Most over-doses occur actually when the drug is eaten because it is easier to consume a large dose all at once. Marijuana side effects from an overdose include toxic psychosis including hallucinations, delusions and a loss of self-identification. When smoked, marijuana is rolled up into a cigarette called a joint or smoked in a pipe or water pipe called a bong. Marijuana has many street names like pot, hash, chronic and there are many paraphernalia available to smoke it.

Over 11 million people smoked marijuana last month. Many may not have severe marijuana side effects from taking the drug but many people will. Marijuana side effects include physical problems like breathing difficulties and deteriorating physical abilities. Despite a popular belief, marijuana side effects speed up the heart, blood and breathing rate. The body is taxed more and this speeds up the aging process just like methamphetamines do. The marijuana side effects from this extra exertion on the body include a higher risk for lung cancer, heart attacks and strokes.

Marijuana side effects also wreak havoc on the brain when the drug is used habitually. The natural chemical balance of the brain is disrupted affecting the pleasure centers and regulatory systems. The ability to learn, remember and adapt quickly to changes is impaired by marijuana use. Depression often occurs with marijuana usage, which feeds into the cycle of more drug use to treat the pain created by drug use. This cycle of addiction is very powerful and users soon find that they cannot stop using the drug even if they want to.

Marijuana addiction is a progressive disease and marijuana side effects include withdrawal and obsessive thought with the drug when it is not made available. Addiction is identified as a compulsive, uncontrollable craving for the drug even with pending negative consequences. Often users will attempt to stop smoking marijuana for an important event such as a job interview or court hearing and find themselves using very close or just before the event. This act goes beyond a flexing of willpower. This describes being enveloped by a disease that has taken control and needs to be treated.


Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Andrea on May 13, 2012, 11:50:30 AM
In some ways, weed is just like anything else - you either like or not, you either indulge in it or not.  It's not for everybody and that's cool.

I've said this before but there was a huge smear campaign against weed because hemp was poised to overtake so many industries back in the 40's.  The $ big-wigs at the time (TPTB) weren't having that so they issued a huge war against weed and hemp.  I take hemp seed oil everyday (it's kinda gross but I squeeze my left thumb in my left hand to curb a gag reflex) and people have said they're cured their cancer by drinking it and rubbing it into their skin.  It's cheap and very effective.

"Industrial hemp has many uses, including paper, textiles, biodegradable plastics, construction, health food, and fuel." - from this article, which is very interesting.  15 Fascinating Facts About Hemp (http://listverse.com/2009/04/15/15-fascinating-facts-about-hemp/)

Another thing that's been said before but it's noteworthy to say again - a person cannot be mind controlled when under the influence of marijuana.  A pretty big reason for 'them' to fight so hard against legalizing it.

I'm not promoting smoking weed, like I said, it's one of those things you either do or don't do.  It's an individual choice and one that should be done responsibly.

I just really believe that God made for us, this magical plant that can be used to make pretty much anything (check out that hemp list), can cure diseases and other ailments, and when smoked, can make everything seem pretty alright.

Just for fun:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW9AHQXh_RM[/youtube]

Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on May 13, 2012, 12:03:56 PM
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Yeah I'm not sure we should assume that MJ smokes dope or even is a legalization supporter.

Agreed. And also we shouldn't forget that there're kids on the forum! We shouldn't write like marijuana is just like some candy. Most of the posts in this thread could be understood like an encouragement to smoke or use marijuana. We shouldn't forget about the side effects of it. That's why it is still illegal in most of the countries. If people want to have fun and relax or become creative, there're other ways which do not threaten your health! You do not need to drink alcohol or use illegal drugs.

   

Marijuana Side Effects

Marijuana side effects come from smoking or consuming the drug and marijuana side effects influence the mind and body of the user. Marijuana side effects can be as seemingly innocent as an increased appetite to as life threatening as lung cancer. Increased likelihood for accidents is also one of the marijuana side effects. Studies show that 6 to 11 percent of fatal accidents are contributed to by marijuana side effects. Other external marijuana side effects include legal problems, work and financial problems and troubles at home.

Marijuana is most often smoked but can be eaten or steeped in tea to drink. Most over-doses occur actually when the drug is eaten because it is easier to consume a large dose all at once. Marijuana side effects from an overdose include toxic psychosis including hallucinations, delusions and a loss of self-identification. When smoked, marijuana is rolled up into a cigarette called a joint or smoked in a pipe or water pipe called a bong. Marijuana has many street names like pot, hash, chronic and there are many paraphernalia available to smoke it.

Over 11 million people smoked marijuana last month. Many may not have severe marijuana side effects from taking the drug but many people will. Marijuana side effects include physical problems like breathing difficulties and deteriorating physical abilities. Despite a popular belief, marijuana side effects speed up the heart, blood and breathing rate. The body is taxed more and this speeds up the aging process just like methamphetamines do. The marijuana side effects from this extra exertion on the body include a higher risk for lung cancer, heart attacks and strokes.

Marijuana side effects also wreak havoc on the brain when the drug is used habitually. The natural chemical balance of the brain is disrupted affecting the pleasure centers and regulatory systems. The ability to learn, remember and adapt quickly to changes is impaired by marijuana use. Depression often occurs with marijuana usage, which feeds into the cycle of more drug use to treat the pain created by drug use. This cycle of addiction is very powerful and users soon find that they cannot stop using the drug even if they want to.

Marijuana addiction is a progressive disease and marijuana side effects include withdrawal and obsessive thought with the drug when it is not made available. Addiction is identified as a compulsive, uncontrollable craving for the drug even with pending negative consequences. Often users will attempt to stop smoking marijuana for an important event such as a job interview or court hearing and find themselves using very close or just before the event. This act goes beyond a flexing of willpower. This describes being enveloped by a disease that has taken control and needs to be treated.




I'm going to have to disagree with the entirety of that quoted resource and categorize it as propaganda laced with untruths perpetuated by ignorance, fear, and political agendas.

However, I agree with your personal sentiment at the beginning even if not the alleged "facts" that follow.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PureLove on May 13, 2012, 12:18:54 PM
My previous post is about the marijuana usage for fun purposes. I wasn't talking about its medical use.

@bec Unfortunately as far as I witnessed from my friends who use marijuana, the side effects I posted are admissible. I also experienced that people who start to smoke weeds, also start to try other illegal drugs which is extremely dangerous. I'm so against to all illegal drugs and them to be shown like innocent candy bars.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: diggyon on May 13, 2012, 12:27:24 PM
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Yeah I'm not sure we should assume that MJ smokes dope or even is a legalization supporter.

Agreed. And also we shouldn't forget that there're kids on the forum! We shouldn't write like marijuana is just like some candy. Most of the posts in this thread could be understood like an encouragement to smoke or use marijuana. We shouldn't forget about the side effects of it. That's why it is still illegal in most of the countries. If people want to have fun and relax or become creative, there're other ways which do not threaten your health! You do not need to drink alcohol or use illegal drugs.

   

Marijuana Side Effects

Marijuana side effects come from smoking or consuming the drug and marijuana side effects influence the mind and body of the user. Marijuana side effects can be as seemingly innocent as an increased appetite to as life threatening as lung cancer. Increased likelihood for accidents is also one of the marijuana side effects. Studies show that 6 to 11 percent of fatal accidents are contributed to by marijuana side effects. Other external marijuana side effects include legal problems, work and financial problems and troubles at home.

Marijuana is most often smoked but can be eaten or steeped in tea to drink. Most over-doses occur actually when the drug is eaten because it is easier to consume a large dose all at once. Marijuana side effects from an overdose include toxic psychosis including hallucinations, delusions and a loss of self-identification. When smoked, marijuana is rolled up into a cigarette called a joint or smoked in a pipe or water pipe called a bong. Marijuana has many street names like pot, hash, chronic and there are many paraphernalia available to smoke it.

Over 11 million people smoked marijuana last month. Many may not have severe marijuana side effects from taking the drug but many people will. Marijuana side effects include physical problems like breathing difficulties and deteriorating physical abilities. Despite a popular belief, marijuana side effects speed up the heart, blood and breathing rate. The body is taxed more and this speeds up the aging process just like methamphetamines do. The marijuana side effects from this extra exertion on the body include a higher risk for lung cancer, heart attacks and strokes.

Marijuana side effects also wreak havoc on the brain when the drug is used habitually. The natural chemical balance of the brain is disrupted affecting the pleasure centers and regulatory systems. The ability to learn, remember and adapt quickly to changes is impaired by marijuana use. Depression often occurs with marijuana usage, which feeds into the cycle of more drug use to treat the pain created by drug use. This cycle of addiction is very powerful and users soon find that they cannot stop using the drug even if they want to.

Marijuana addiction is a progressive disease and marijuana side effects include withdrawal and obsessive thought with the drug when it is not made available. Addiction is identified as a compulsive, uncontrollable craving for the drug even with pending negative consequences. Often users will attempt to stop smoking marijuana for an important event such as a job interview or court hearing and find themselves using very close or just before the event. This act goes beyond a flexing of willpower. This describes being enveloped by a disease that has taken control and needs to be treated.




I'm going to have to disagree with the entirety of that quoted resource and categorize it as propaganda laced with untruths perpetuated by ignorance, fear, and political agendas.

However, I agree with your personal sentiment at the beginning even if not the alleged "facts" that follow.

bec, can you give us a proof that what PureLove posted is an agenda etc...? ? Guys, is there a doctor in the house who can help us out here? ?
Title: Re: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 13, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
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My previous post is about the marijuana usage for fun purposes. I wasn't talking about its medical use.

@bec Unfortunately as far as I witnessed from my friends who use marijuana, the side effects I posted are admissible. I also experienced that people who start to smoke weeds, also start to try other illegal drugs which is extremely dangerous. I'm so against to all illegal drugs and them to be shown like innocent candy bars.


Pot is not illegal here and is less dangerous than coffee, if you use it right. The problem in countries where it's illegal is that the pot is mixed with shit which will make the drug dangerous. And I have NEVER seen pot smokers switch to coke or crack. I'm not saying you should smoke a joint every day, not at all, but most of the scary stories about it are bs.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MJonmind on May 13, 2012, 01:50:08 PM
My opinion is there really is a war on marijuana, and that it's simply politically incorrect. I hear over and over these same reasons--that it's a gateway to harder drugs, that you can be impaired if driving under its influence.  Here's some other associated problems with this war --police everywhere use a large chunk of their time and resources on pursuing growers and sellers, that could be better put to use fighting real crime, prisons may be have a percentage related to this crime that take space that much worse criminals should be using,   and the overall health benefits outweigh the negative.

New Research Finds Marijuana Offenders Crowding Nation's Prisons and Jails (http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/095/marijuanaprisoners.shtml)
Hemp Fibres (http://www.binhaitimes.com/hemp.html)

My nephew smokes it regularly. Long story short, he has bi-polar and its bad in his father's side--strong desire for suicide. His father has tried to commit s. and cannot function without the pharma drugs for it--though he's tried many times to go off.  My sister (a nurse) is very against her son smoking for the same propaganda reasons, and has bought him various 'healthier' anti-depression vitamins/pills, but my nephew says none of them help, only the weed. He says it totally calms his feelings, helps him think clearly/creatively and really promotes it.  There's many people I know that would probably benefit from using it (my husband one) but because of this stigma, the huge cost and unavailability, they don't and go rather to pharma drugs which are so hard on the heart, the stomach, and the wallet.
Andrea, I read all those great mj uses years ago, and it just amazes me! I guess it's like the electric car--bad for certain monopolizing companies. 
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Andrea on May 13, 2012, 02:49:22 PM
MJonmind - I definitely agree that there is a stigma attached to marijuana.  It's been bad-mouthed by the 'man' for so long that it's firmly ingrained in the minds of many - they tell us what to think and how to feel about it.  Just like so many other things that we've been brain-washed to think.  And for all of hemp's other uses, it just makes sense to me that God provided to us naturally everything that we need.

I personally haven't experienced any negative effects from smoking weed.  I don't do it everyday, just when I feel like it.  It helps me relax and I love where my mind will take me when I've smoked some.  I don't have any conditions that I'm aware of so I do it strictly for recreational reasons.  I haven't ventured to harder drugs and I'm not going to.  I rarely drink alcohol because I don't like the taste of it but I'm not against drinking if it's done responsibly, like anything else.  I'm not addicted to weed, I can go for long stretches without smoking and not notice it's absence.  It's just something I like to do.

Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 13, 2012, 05:47:17 PM
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MJonmind - I definitely agree that there is a stigma attached to marijuana. 
+ 1 !
Thank you for sharing your experiences, girls 
As for me, I've never tried it and I never will unless I need it. I hope it won't be the case lol but should it ever... I'd rather use weeds to cure myself than medical prescriptions to intoxicate myself. In fact I always preferred naturist cures to chemical ones!


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Ps. an ape face and moldy bam-cakes doesn't mention anything about pot.
That's a huge jump to a conclusion to say Front spawned the topic.
I need to answer this ^^
Then I won't be posting about this subject!

1.   Nobody mentioned “pot”
2.   Nobody jumped to any conclusion. I only made connections.
3.   There are many more clues indicating to Weeds than just “an ape face & moldy bam-cakes”.


Clues hinting to WEEDS:

1.   Front’s Brownie & Moldy cakes
2.   Front’s Amsterdam T-shirt
3.   Front’s pic with the SPIDER on bam-cake --- > "Insects in pot are less intense. Growroom critters, such as aphids and spider mites, rarely damage marijuana after harvest." - Erowid Cannabis Vault : Articles & Writings (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_writings3.shtml)
4.   Paris wearing that green T-shirt & Bob Marley bracelet
5.   Bubbles-clues ; and all the bubble gum chewing we’ve been seeing…even at the memorial!
6.   Then we have Amsterdam Cannabis Lollipops --- > Michael loves Lollipops or at least he made sure he was photographed sever times while savoring them.
7.   Type of weed: Turtle Power Amsterdam Marijuana PURPLE Power
8.   That article describing the “Bubble process making” contains Michael’s expression : “The sky is the limit” and also several familiar terms for us: The Flower of Life, water, raw, rainbow, colors.
9.   Front’s mentioning of the term “moonshinish” to express being in a “hammered-like state” - also used in that same article: “Moonshine Bubble hashish” – used to express a similar state (hit by a freight train)
10.   Front’s mentioning of Bottled Amsterdam Mojo - "Mojo" is the name for a synthetic herbal incense, and it is becoming a popular -- but pricey -- alternative to marijuana. Mojo isn't even a drug. It can be found at area head shops, corner gas stations and even pharmacies. And there are also relaxation Bottled beverages containing medical-marijuana.


^^ Only "coincidences"? Only Front's "jokes" ?
I doubt it!

I think there are just too many "coincidences” hinting to WEEDS for this not to mean something!  I think it's all about the WAR between BIG PHARMA (pharmaceutical mafia /TPTB/ Illuminati) and the natural GOD given remedies that we have at our disposal!

Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on May 13, 2012, 05:53:51 PM
Why is it illegal consume marijuana if multiple studies have confirmed that its effects are less harmful than the consumption of tobacco for the human organism, and that their social implications are significantly less negative than the consumption of alcohol? Why is it prohibited the cultivation of this plant if it is proven that it can bring multiple benefits from a plane medicinal.
I have more than 12 days tomamdo analgesics by breakage of fiber in the ribs and even think about marijuana, here is totally banned, even for medicinal purposes
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 13, 2012, 05:57:34 PM
@Paula: because it would ruin "their" multi-billion dollar business ("BIG PHARMA)! that's why!Why did "they" kill Bob Marley? and so many others?

There's a good clever poster I had found... it's in one of my montages on the previous page, saying something like: "They should arrest GOD for having created this magnificent "dangerous" plant."  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 13, 2012, 06:05:52 PM
@Paula-c quote:

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Why is it illegal consume marijuana if multiple studies have confirmed that its effects are less harmful than the consumption of tobacco for the human organism, and that their social implications are significantly less negative than the consumption of alcohol? Why is it prohibited the cultivation of this plant if it is proven that it can bring multiple benefits from a plane medicinal.
I have more than 12 days tomamdo analgesics by breakage of fiber in the ribs and even think about marijuana, here is totally banned, even for medicinal purposes

Side effects of marijuana:
physical effects: Marijuana impairs the lungs and cells, especially white blood cells and spermatozoa. Accelerates the pulse. Lowers the defenses. It damages the throat (pharyngitis, cough). A joint just leaves more tar in the lungs that several cigarettes among other reasons because it is smoked without a filter (bronchitis, asthma). Psychic effects: Marijuana distorts the perception spoiling the sensitivity, decreased memory and will make it difficult to think, learn and make decisions, produces anxiety and aggression altering the psychic equilibrium. Makes you lose interest and motivation for the normal things (life, health, ...) to focus attention on the drug and its rituals. Marijuana creates psychological dependence while decreasing freedom affected think the opposite is true. Cause irreversible brain damage or slow recovery. Disorder increases the personal and physical appearance deteriorates.  :affraid:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 13, 2012, 06:13:39 PM
Okay, I need to say this: Amsterdam is more than weed and hookers, okay? Amsterdam is the most multi-culti city in the world with amazing art houses, architecture, museums, canals, Queen's Day festivals etc etc etc.

It annoys me when people say Amsterdam = weed/drugs. Only those who have never been there and appreciate the city itself say that.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on May 13, 2012, 06:20:06 PM
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@Paula-c quote:

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Why is it illegal consume marijuana if multiple studies have confirmed that its effects are less harmful than the consumption of tobacco for the human organism, and that their social implications are significantly less negative than the consumption of alcohol? Why is it prohibited the cultivation of this plant if it is proven that it can bring multiple benefits from a plane medicinal.
I have more than 12 days tomamdo analgesics by breakage of fiber in the ribs and even think about marijuana, here is totally banned, even for medicinal purposes

Side effects of marijuana:
physical effects: Marijuana impairs the lungs and cells, especially white blood cells and spermatozoa. Accelerates the pulse. Lowers the defenses. It damages the throat (pharyngitis, cough). A joint just leaves more tar in the lungs that several cigarettes among other reasons because it is smoked without a filter (bronchitis, asthma). Psychic effects: Marijuana distorts the perception spoiling the sensitivity, decreased memory and will make it difficult to think, learn and make decisions, produces anxiety and aggression altering the psychic equilibrium. Makes you lose interest and motivation for the normal things (life, health, ...) to focus attention on the drug and its rituals. Marijuana creates psychological dependence while decreasing freedom affected think the opposite is true. Cause irreversible brain damage or slow recovery. Disorder increases the personal and physical appearance deteriorates.  :affraid:



Oh well, I guess that would have to  smoke an average of 20 marijuana cigarettes per day to show all these effects :affraid: :icon_lol:
 



Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 13, 2012, 06:24:23 PM
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@Paula-c quote:

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Why is it illegal consume marijuana if multiple studies have confirmed that its effects are less harmful than the consumption of tobacco for the human organism, and that their social implications are significantly less negative than the consumption of alcohol? Why is it prohibited the cultivation of this plant if it is proven that it can bring multiple benefits from a plane medicinal.
I have more than 12 days tomamdo analgesics by breakage of fiber in the ribs and even think about marijuana, here is totally banned, even for medicinal purposes

Side effects of marijuana:
physical effects: Marijuana impairs the lungs and cells, especially white blood cells and spermatozoa. Accelerates the pulse. Lowers the defenses. It damages the throat (pharyngitis, cough). A joint just leaves more tar in the lungs that several cigarettes among other reasons because it is smoked without a filter (bronchitis, asthma). Psychic effects: Marijuana distorts the perception spoiling the sensitivity, decreased memory and will make it difficult to think, learn and make decisions, produces anxiety and aggression altering the psychic equilibrium. Makes you lose interest and motivation for the normal things (life, health, ...) to focus attention on the drug and its rituals. Marijuana creates psychological dependence while decreasing freedom affected think the opposite is true. Cause irreversible brain damage or slow recovery. Disorder increases the personal and physical appearance deteriorates.  :affraid:

I have used it, more than once. Tabacco is consumed daily, multiple times a day. That makes it bad for your lungs. If you smoke a joint once every so many months, you really won't damage your lungs. Besides that, you can also eat it, you don't have to smoke it.

Pure marihuana doesn't make you agressive, quite the opposite. It makes you nicer, you will see the world better and you will feel like you did when you were 6: innocent, free and playful. You laugh your ass off and you get the greatest ideas. After two or three hours, you fall asleep and you will sleep like a baby and wake up fresh.

Marihuana is NOT good for you, if you smoke it like cigarettes: multiple times a day. I know one person who does and he is high the whole day and indeed has no motivation for anything. But since I have known that guy since he was 4, I doubt he would be motivated to do anything without the pot, so I can't say the pot is to blame.

If you have no experience with it, you can't judge. There are people drinking daily, two or three glasses a day, you think that's better for you? Forget it.

Marihuana prevents alzheimer, can cure cancer without destroying your healthy cells, is a great NATURAL painkiller and NEVER EVER have I heard someone dying from it. I live in Holland, I know MANY people who smoke weed occasionally or even daily. They never die. I also know people who use prescription drugs, alcohol and tabacco, all three LEGAL drugs in the countries that are so against pot. People do die from those three. So seriously, why attack the weed?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on May 13, 2012, 06:51:25 PM
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Okay, I need to say this: Amsterdam is more than weed and hookers, okay? Amsterdam is the most multi-culti city in the world with amazing art houses, architecture, museums, canals, Queen's Day festivals etc etc etc.

It annoys me when people say Amsterdam = weed/drugs. Only those who have never been there and appreciate the city itself say that.


Someday when i have time and money i want to go to Holland, is one of the countries that I would like to know.








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Why is it illegal consume marijuana if multiple studies have confirmed that its effects are less harmful than the consumption of tobacco for the human organism, and that their social implications are significantly less negative than the consumption of alcohol? Why is it prohibited the cultivation of this plant if it is proven that it can bring multiple benefits from a plane medicinal.
I have more than 12 days tomamdo analgesics by breakage of fiber in the ribs and even think about marijuana, here is totally banned, even for medicinal purposes

Side effects of marijuana:
physical effects: Marijuana impairs the lungs and cells, especially white blood cells and spermatozoa. Accelerates the pulse. Lowers the defenses. It damages the throat (pharyngitis, cough). A joint just leaves more tar in the lungs that several cigarettes among other reasons because it is smoked without a filter (bronchitis, asthma). Psychic effects: Marijuana distorts the perception spoiling the sensitivity, decreased memory and will make it difficult to think, learn and make decisions, produces anxiety and aggression altering the psychic equilibrium. Makes you lose interest and motivation for the normal things (life, health, ...) to focus attention on the drug and its rituals. Marijuana creates psychological dependence while decreasing freedom affected think the opposite is true. Cause irreversible brain damage or slow recovery. Disorder increases the personal and physical appearance deteriorates.  :affraid:

I have used it, more than once. Tabacco is consumed daily, multiple times a day. That makes it bad for your lungs. If you smoke a joint once every so many months, you really won't damage your lungs. Besides that, you can also eat it, you don't have to smoke it.

Pure marihuana doesn't make you agressive, quite the opposite. It makes you nicer, you will see the world better and you will feel like you did when you were 6: innocent, free and playful. You laugh your ass off and you get the greatest ideas. After two or three hours, you fall asleep and you will sleep like a baby and wake up fresh.

Marihuana is NOT good for you, if you smoke it like cigarettes: multiple times a day. I know one person who does and he is high the whole day and indeed has no motivation for anything. But since I have known that guy since he was 4, I doubt he would be motivated to do anything without the pot, so I can't say the pot is to blame.

If you have no experience with it, you can't judge. There are people drinking daily, two or three glasses a day, you think that's better for you? Forget it.

Marihuana prevents alzheimer, can cure cancer without destroying your healthy cells, is a great NATURAL painkiller and NEVER EVER have I heard someone dying from it. I live in Holland, I know MANY people who smoke weed occasionally or even daily. They never die. I also know people who use prescription drugs, alcohol and tabacco, all three LEGAL drugs in the countries that are so against pot. People do die from those three. So seriously, why attack the weed?





Yes, the few times I smoked ( by the prohibition ) i sleep like a baby
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: wishingstar on May 13, 2012, 06:52:34 PM
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Okay, I need to say this: Amsterdam is more than weed and hookers, okay? Amsterdam is the most multi-culti city in the world with amazing art houses, architecture, museums, canals, Queen's Day festivals etc etc etc.

It annoys me when people say Amsterdam = weed/drugs. Only those who have never been there and appreciate the city itself say that.

Yes, Souza, it does has that reputation, true.  However, I would love visit there someday.  Everything I have read seen about the art world there is amazing...it leaves me speechless on so many levels...I love the art culture that exudes from there...such history too! 
The world is full of such amazing places, I just want to go everywhere....but, alas, have to live vicariously through others.....maybe some day. 

Just one of the museums I'd love to see one day:

Rijksmuseum Amsterdam, the museum of the Netherlands (http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/)

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbNkh-pWIeBjgW5Z_EI9NFqXXjj4Qs0tqwGIZjcG_wHFbhiWlq-
g)

Blessings Always
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 13, 2012, 07:02:29 PM
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Okay, I need to say this: Amsterdam is more than weed and hookers, okay? Amsterdam is the most multi-culti city in the world with amazing art houses, architecture, museums, canals, Queen's Day festivals etc etc etc.

It annoys me when people say Amsterdam = weed/drugs. Only those who have never been there and appreciate the city itself say that.
Yes, Souza, it does has that reputation, true.  However, I would love visit there someday.  Everything I have read seen about the art world there is amazing...it leaves me speechless on so many levels...I love the art culture that exudes from there...such history too! 
The world is full of such amazing places, I just want to go everywhere....but, alas, have to live vicariously through others.....maybe some day.   [...]
I cannot but just JOIN Wishy in her line of thoughts trip !  :icon_e_wink:

It's a shame that every big, nice and famous city has to endure some defamation of some sort!!
I guess the 'celebrity price" cliche applies for cities too, not just for artists! loll



Some explanations as to why "they" declared marijuana as being "illegal" !

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC3KSK4Axhg&feature=g-vrec[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJOKQudXdtI&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on May 13, 2012, 07:34:24 PM
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Why is it illegal consume marijuana if multiple studies have confirmed that its effects are less harmful than the consumption of tobacco for the human organism, and that their social implications are significantly less negative than the consumption of alcohol? Why is it prohibited the cultivation of this plant if it is proven that it can bring multiple benefits from a plane medicinal.
I have more than 12 days tomamdo analgesics by breakage of fiber in the ribs and even think about marijuana, here is totally banned, even for medicinal purposes

Side effects of marijuana:
physical effects: Marijuana impairs the lungs and cells, especially white blood cells and spermatozoa. Accelerates the pulse. Lowers the defenses. It damages the throat (pharyngitis, cough). A joint just leaves more tar in the lungs that several cigarettes among other reasons because it is smoked without a filter (bronchitis, asthma). Psychic effects: Marijuana distorts the perception spoiling the sensitivity, decreased memory and will make it difficult to think, learn and make decisions, produces anxiety and aggression altering the psychic equilibrium. Makes you lose interest and motivation for the normal things (life, health, ...) to focus attention on the drug and its rituals. Marijuana creates psychological dependence while decreasing freedom affected think the opposite is true. Cause irreversible brain damage or slow recovery. Disorder increases the personal and physical appearance deteriorates.  :affraid:


 :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

Oh wow, you know I... I mean I... I mean...  :icon_eek:  :icon_e_ugeek: nevermind.

Just carry on with what you believe. *pats sweetsunset on head*.

Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on May 13, 2012, 07:38:39 PM
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Okay, I need to say this: Amsterdam is more than weed and hookers, okay? Amsterdam is the most multi-culti city in the world with amazing art houses, architecture, museums, canals, Queen's Day festivals etc etc etc.

It annoys me when people say Amsterdam = weed/drugs. Only those who have never been there and appreciate the city itself say that.
Yes, Souza, it does has that reputation, true.  However, I would love visit there someday.  Everything I have read seen about the art world there is amazing...it leaves me speechless on so many levels...I love the art culture that exudes from there...such history too! 
The world is full of such amazing places, I just want to go everywhere....but, alas, have to live vicariously through others.....maybe some day.   [...]
I cannot but just JOIN Wishy in her line of thoughts trip !  :icon_e_wink:

It's a shame that every big, nice and famous city has to endure some defamation of some sort!!
I guess the 'celebrity price" cliche applies for cities too, not just for artists! loll



Some explanations as to why "they" declared marijuana as being "illegal" !

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC3KSK4Axhg&feature=g-vrec[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJOKQudXdtI&feature=related[/youtube]





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-Prior to the introduction of the cotton in 1820, 80% of the clothes and fabrics were generally made from this plant.-The first recorded cultivation of hemp date of at least five thousand years ago in ancient China.-The majority of the works of Rembrandt, Van Gogh, Monet, and many others, were painted on canvas made from hemp.In 1916, the U.S. Department of agriculture predicted that by 1940 all books would be printed on hemp which would imply that they should not be cutting down more trees.This confirmed that one hectare planted with hemp produces 4 times more paper than the same area planted with trees, and the extraction process requires between 4 and 7 times less effort in machinery which translates to turn into less pollution.Some of the paints and varnishes of higher quality were made from the seeds of the cannabis until 1930.Henry Ford, founder of the shipping of cars of the same name, built his first car model using hemp as main raw material and was designed to operate with fuel also generated from this plant
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 13, 2012, 07:40:38 PM
Birds eat the seeds all the time btw...
Title: Re: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: KAP93 on May 13, 2012, 07:51:00 PM
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My previous post is about the marijuana usage for fun purposes. I wasn't talking about its medical use.

@bec Unfortunately as far as I witnessed from my friends who use marijuana, the side effects I posted are admissible. I also experienced that people who start to smoke weeds, also start to try other illegal drugs which is extremely dangerous. I'm so against to all illegal drugs and them to be shown like innocent candy bars.


Pot is not illegal here and is less dangerous than coffee, if you use it right. The problem in countries where it's illegal is that the pot is mixed with shit which will make the drug dangerous. And I have NEVER seen pot smokers switch to coke or crack. I'm not saying you should smoke a joint every day, not at all, but most of the scary stories about it are bs.


I gotta disagree on one thing. My dad started smoking pot and he did switch to crack( been clean for a year now, thank God). I really don't think smoking a joint everyday is such a good idea personally. Furthermore, buying weed from others is also dangerous because the fact is people can put anything they want in it and you'll never know. For example, one guy I know put rat poison in a joint to hurt someone else. I think if you really are that interested about the subject matter, research the truth about the plant. And if you want to smoke it, please grow it yourself! Especially if you're here in the U.S. When it comes to any form of drugs, or anything for that matter, you have to be careful, you know. People just try to make a big deal about it, probably to screw with people. Like I said, you just have to know what you're doing like with anything.

-Just thought I'd leave a comment.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: BeTheChange on May 13, 2012, 08:46:30 PM
I think I'm in a 'slow recovery' stage  :icon_e_confused:

As with everything one chooses to put into their system, logic shouldn't fly out the window or it may end being a very bad choice.  People go on and on about how 'bad' cannabis is and how negative an influence it is for minors to read about it...yet, the amount of garbage that enters the system through government-approved 'channels' (media, big pharma, education, etc)...never seems to get the same reaction.  I find that both odd and troublesome.

In its natural state, cannabis has NEVER done harm if/when used in an intelligent way....rather, there is a TON of info on the documented benefits of it.  It is one of the oldest, and in many cultures sacred, practices/rituals of 'oneness' between man and nature...between the physical and the spiritual.  It's a shame that something as natural as a plant has been banned from our 'freedom' of choice....let alone from our ailing systems.  We are not 'allowed' to consume/use a natural substance that has been proven to have health benefits!  How anyone does NOT see something wrong with that is beyond me.

The 'smoke(screen)' wafting off of TPTB is 100 times more potent, and dangerous, than any joint ever smoked.

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on May 13, 2012, 09:30:51 PM
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My previous post is about the marijuana usage for fun purposes. I wasn't talking about its medical use.

@bec Unfortunately as far as I witnessed from my friends who use marijuana, the side effects I posted are admissible. I also experienced that people who start to smoke weeds, also start to try other illegal drugs which is extremely dangerous. I'm so against to all illegal drugs and them to be shown like innocent candy bars.


Pot is not illegal here and is less dangerous than coffee, if you use it right. The problem in countries where it's illegal is that the pot is mixed with shit which will make the drug dangerous. And I have NEVER seen pot smokers switch to coke or crack. I'm not saying you should smoke a joint every day, not at all, but most of the scary stories about it are bs.


I gotta disagree on one thing. My dad started smoking pot and he did switch to crack( been clean for a year now, thank God). I really don't think smoking a joint everyday is such a good idea personally. Furthermore, buying weed from others is also dangerous because the fact is people can put anything they want in it and you'll never know. For example, one guy I know put rat poison in a joint to hurt someone else. I think if you really are that interested about the subject matter, research the truth about the plant. And if you want to smoke it, please grow it yourself! Especially if you're here in the U.S. When it comes to any form of drugs, or anything for that matter, you have to be careful, you know. People just try to make a big deal about it, probably to screw with people. Like I said, you just have to know what you're doing like with anything.

-Just thought I'd leave a comment.

With all due respect, he would have smoked the crack anyway, the pot had nothing to do with it. The rest of what you said I don't disagree with.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: RK on May 13, 2012, 10:48:42 PM
I can't believe there are so many pages already about simple smoking dope.  One would have to be very naive to think Michael hadn't come across it way early on in the day being in the music industry. It is not that hard to grow a plant for recreational or medical use yourself if you should so desire to. I don't think this is the answer to the hoax why as such...it's simply another avenue or rabbit hole to venture down. This hoax has had many such knowledge gaining trails and this is another of them.   [color]
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MissG on May 14, 2012, 03:38:42 AM
Long story short;
When I was a student - some years ago - a friend of mine had a plantation in his student apartment, in the kitchen. A fire started, and, imagine...the whole building got high!
This guy got quite upset, it took him time to dry up the plants and all was gone in a matter of minutes!



Title: Re: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on May 14, 2012, 06:24:13 AM
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My previous post is about the marijuana usage for fun purposes. I wasn't talking about its medical use.

@bec Unfortunately as far as I witnessed from my friends who use marijuana, the side effects I posted are admissible. I also experienced that people who start to smoke weeds, also start to try other illegal drugs which is extremely dangerous. I'm so against to all illegal drugs and them to be shown like innocent candy bars.


Pot is not illegal here and is less dangerous than coffee, if you use it right. The problem in countries where it's illegal is that the pot is mixed with shit which will make the drug dangerous. And I have NEVER seen pot smokers switch to coke or crack. I'm not saying you should smoke a joint every day, not at all, but most of the scary stories about it are bs.

speaking of coffee this debate is most likely just like the one about coffee. every other other week it is good for you or bad for you. tells me all it is about is the researchers having a job. probably with pre-cocieved notions or done by pro /con research establishments and using you guessed it tax dollars to do so
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Title: Re: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PureLove on May 14, 2012, 12:04:11 PM
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My previous post is about the marijuana usage for fun purposes. I wasn't talking about its medical use.

@bec Unfortunately as far as I witnessed from my friends who use marijuana, the side effects I posted are admissible. I also experienced that people who start to smoke weeds, also start to try other illegal drugs which is extremely dangerous. I'm so against to all illegal drugs and them to be shown like innocent candy bars.


Pot is not illegal here and is less dangerous than coffee, if you use it right. The problem in countries where it's illegal is that the pot is mixed with shit which will make the drug dangerous. And I have NEVER seen pot smokers switch to coke or crack. I'm not saying you should smoke a joint every day, not at all, but most of the scary stories about it are bs.

If you use it right! Exactly Souza! Unfortunately some people start to upload themselves with it and they lose themselves that they start to look for more "fun"! This makes them go with cracks and some other drugs. I had to experience this from the first hand. My ex bf was a marijuana addict. Yes, I use the word 'addict' because he was feeling depressed and nervous when he couldn't smoke marijuana. At the beginning he was smoking it just for fun but after a couple of months, he became addicted to it as it was calming him down. A year later, he started to use extacy, and some other drugs that I have no idea about. Marijuana was not enough for him to have his "fun". He wanted to fly more. He lost his job, his family and then me. He was growing his own marijuana, so there was nothing mixed with it. Even when he was smoking only marijuana, he was forgetting everything, he wasn't caring for anything, he was emotionless, he was coughing like he had lung cancer, couldn't breath well, his heart was beating too fast, there were dark circles around his eyes and so many other side effects of it. I met many of his marijuana addict friends and all of them were having the same side effects. And I'm talking about the time when he was using marijuana only. So saying marijuana is less dangerous than coffee is totally wrong.

The addiction starts by trying it (for most of the people). You start to smoke only one a day and then make it twice and it gets more and more. Unfortunately people lose their control easily when it comes to drugs. There're so many other ways to have fun like listening to music, making a walk at the beach or at the park or whatever you enjoy doing. There're other ways to become more creative, like reading books, travelling, watching movies and so on. Noone needs marijuana to have fun or to become  creative.

I personally do not believe Michael tried marijuana to become more creative. We're talking about Michael Jackson here. He wrote all those amazing songs, amazing poems and books. He was born with the creativeness gift that he didn't need to use anything else to push his creativity. I did read many times that he was against all illegal drugs as well. I can be wrong of course but this is my gut feeling about Michael smoking marijuana.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 14, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
You know what's also not good for you?

TOO MUCH food
TOO MUCH alcohol
TOO MUCH coffee
TOO MUCH time behind the computer

Everything that has TOO MUCH in front of it, is not good for you.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PureLove on May 14, 2012, 12:37:13 PM
Too much of everything is unhealthy for you. But most of them do not make you go from too less to too much . People lose their control over drugs so easily.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: KAP93 on May 14, 2012, 01:46:22 PM
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My previous post is about the marijuana usage for fun purposes. I wasn't talking about its medical use.

@bec Unfortunately as far as I witnessed from my friends who use marijuana, the side effects I posted are admissible. I also experienced that people who start to smoke weeds, also start to try other illegal drugs which is extremely dangerous. I'm so against to all illegal drugs and them to be shown like innocent candy bars.


Pot is not illegal here and is less dangerous than coffee, if you use it right. The problem in countries where it's illegal is that the pot is mixed with shit which will make the drug dangerous. And I have NEVER seen pot smokers switch to coke or crack. I'm not saying you should smoke a joint every day, not at all, but most of the scary stories about it are bs.


I gotta disagree on one thing. My dad started smoking pot and he did switch to crack( been clean for a year now, thank God). I really don't think smoking a joint everyday is such a good idea personally. Furthermore, buying weed from others is also dangerous because the fact is people can put anything they want in it and you'll never know. For example, one guy I know put rat poison in a joint to hurt someone else. I think if you really are that interested about the subject matter, research the truth about the plant. And if you want to smoke it, please grow it yourself! Especially if you're here in the U.S. When it comes to any form of drugs, or anything for that matter, you have to be careful, you know. People just try to make a big deal about it, probably to screw with people. Like I said, you just have to know what you're doing like with anything.

-Just thought I'd leave a comment.

With all due respect, he would have smoked the crack anyway, the pot had nothing to do with it. The rest of what you said I don't disagree with.

I see what you mean, but what I meant  was that smoking weed got him introduced to crack and he became addicted to it that way, though I know that's not what Souza meant in her post now. But he had the wrong type of motives for doing drugs anyway, he used it as a way to escape from emotional pain and became addicted. That's what his problem problem was.

On another note, the fact is you can get addicted to anything, like Phyllis Hyman who was addicted to food among other things.  You just have to watch yourself, like with anything. And you have to make sure you're not doing it for the wrong reasons. I'm sure people don't start out doing any form of drug thinking they'll become addicted to it. You just have to watch out and make sure nothing becomes so unhealthily important to you that it controls you and that can be with anything at all. Heck, you could just as easily get addicted to Mr. Jackson if you're not too careful.  :LolLolLolLol:
And as Pure Love said, an over abundance of anything in your system is bad for you.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: paula-c on May 14, 2012, 02:20:36 PM
Marijuana continue prohibited, as so many other medicinal plants wonderful, but the tobacco which kills you can legally sell, aspartame causing cancer continue sweetening many beverages, weapons remain legal because kill even preventively is desirable to ensure the stolen previously, also by force of arms.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on May 14, 2012, 02:44:36 PM
Yup, paula, that's pretty much the bottom line.

List of potentially harmful side effects as long as my arm attached to every Rx drug sold in America and around the world and they want to pretend they are only looking out for our best interest? Bullshit n nonsense.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Its her on May 14, 2012, 03:16:34 PM
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...Over 11 million people smoked marijuana last month. Many may not have severe marijuana side effects from taking the drug but many people will. Marijuana side effects include physical problems like breathing difficulties and deteriorating physical abilities. Despite a popular belief, marijuana side effects speed up the heart, blood and breathing rate. The body is taxed more and this speeds up the aging process just like methamphetamines do. The marijuana side effects from this extra exertion on the body include a higher risk for lung cancer, heart attacks and strokes.

Marijuana side effects also wreak havoc on the brain when the drug is used habitually. The natural chemical balance of the brain is disrupted affecting the pleasure centers and regulatory systems. The ability to learn, remember and adapt quickly to changes is impaired by marijuana use. Depression often occurs with marijuana usage, which feeds into the cycle of more drug use to treat the pain created by drug use. This cycle of addiction is very powerful and users soon find that they cannot stop using the drug even if they want to.

This information is patently UNTRUE. One way to tell if one is reading propaganda or truth about weed is to take note of the terminology. Marijuana is not a DRUG. It is a plant, like broccoli. No one (YET) has gone to blackballing THAT plant, even though it is more highly reactive in body systems than almost any other green vegetable. Maybe because the effects are more subtle and stetched out over TIME at the cellular level, than a green which produces a noticeable high, and the taste itself has been prohibitive. Maybe because there are more receptors in the brain, SPECIFICALLY for Cannabis, than Broccoli. Hmmm, wonder WHY, GOD???  :bearhug:
The facts are that mj is a faster acting more enjoyable, and lower calorie cure than broccoli, and hemp has at least 100 more uses besides medicinal and recreational, which COULD dig deep into the pockets of the criminals controlling big business.

I was just reading here, somewhere I think, where hemp was outlawed in the thirties, because some big business newspaperman, who was also an elected politician, AND owned some forests, was afraid that hemp would hurt the profits in his :icon_evil: :icon_evil: papermill interests!  So, it's NOT just about getting high. It's about controlling the MONEY, and making certain big business gets it ALL.

I am not against big business---in America anyone enterprising and industrious enough, can become almost as rich as they can stand to be!  :affraid: :icon_bounce: What I am against is using one's political advantage to "fix" the game, and prevent competition FOR the money. Hospitals are a humongous business in bed with Big Pharma. Mj and hemp like products would clean up that filthy business, fairly and righteously, and they KNOW this.

Mj is by far, superior to ANYthing Big Pharma has created, and has NEVER killed anyone in the history of the world. BP can't say THAT about any of their DRUGS, even the friendly aspirin can be DEADLY, and HAS killed... 

Anyway, also notice the LANGUAGE used to describe BP's chemicals and the terms to describe the humble plant, mj. Does anyone remember when they used to call a place to get meds, a "DRUG Store"?

Well, they don't like that, and have been calling them "pharmacies' for decades now, since the campaign to JUST SAY NO! (to DRUGS!! :icon_lol:) was launched against marijuana in such a big way.. And they don't like it when you call their concoctions DRUGS---the accepted (PC) term is "medicines" to misdirect from the fact that meds kill more people than they make better. No medicine actually makes anyone better, they just move the symptoms of illness to another place in the body. They have "medicines" for practically every ailment. Before you know it you're on 4,5,6,19 "medicines" (and, usually IN the hospital, by then :-\ :'( :'( :'() chasing symptoms CAUSED by the first few "medicines" around in your still sick body...and then the body gives out.

It's easy to remember: Anyone calling mj a DRUG, is either innocently believing the sheep-targeted rhetoric about it from TPTB, or are PART OF the ORGANIZED conspiracy to TURN and frighten people against a pure cure and commodity such as mj, hemp oil, hashish, herb or weed.

I have never smoked or ingested any weed in any way. My first interest was fueled by the indignation over WHY a poor, scared lady with a a painful cancer should have to choose between PRISON or DISFIGUREMENT AND DEATH (from the only other alternatives: poisoning, burning, or being put in slooooow motion, until you die on morphine)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am just finding out how DUPED I and most of us have been all our lives ABOUT this. We need to open our eyes and see the truth. LOOK for it.

I am not saying to get you some weed and smoke :icon_albino: it every day as if we all NEED it,  :icon_razz: any more than I am telling anyone to eat a pound of Broccoli every day. Even when it is legal some people will never find a use for it in their lives. PERFECTLY FINE!  :)

I am saying to open your mind to the truth and get over the fear which we have been indoctrinated with, so the sick people who need it can easily obtain ALL they need, not just the stingy excuses for pain management they are handing out in the name of "Medical mj". :icon_mad: 

If TPTB want to regulate it, I like what was advised in the "420 Amsterdam Smokeout" literature, to not have more than (I forget) a certain small amount of the substance on you at any time. Simple. I won't object to regulation if it is fair and safe. Sheeesh! the "father of our country"  :thjajaja121: George Washington, commanded every household to grow hemp in their home gardens!  :multiplespotting: The World Bank had no tentacles into America as yet.

Dependency issues come from INSIDE the individual, NOT from a FOOD or otherwise ingested plant!! I have a pizza addiction. BAAAD. But it is I, at the helm, not the lovely cheese ;) and spicy sauce :-*, oooh, so dangerous!  :icon_rolleyes: Some people are fixated on chocolate--especially if they take certain prescriptions which flush out their iron or magnesium...(another story). This is not to discount real chemical addictions such as cocaine or pain drugs, but the key words are "FOODs" and "DRUGs", to know which one is dangerous enough to rightfully blame a dependency on.
How CONVENIENT that the U.S. HAS a branch of government just for that!(only they are arbitrarily making such calls, not simply reporting the TRUTH about what is safe for humans...)

ReTHINK marijuana, educate yourself and free the tree.  :icon_bounce: :abouttime:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Its her on May 14, 2012, 03:50:49 PM
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Side effects of marijuana:
physical effects: Marijuana impairs the lungs and cells, especially white blood cells and spermatozoa. Accelerates the pulse. Lowers the defenses. It damages the throat (pharyngitis, cough). A joint just leaves more tar in the lungs that several cigarettes among other reasons because it is smoked without a filter (bronchitis, asthma). Psychic effects: Marijuana distorts the perception spoiling the sensitivity, decreased memory and will make it difficult to think, learn and make decisions, produces anxiety and aggression altering the psychic equilibrium. Makes you lose interest and motivation for the normal things (life, health, ...) to focus attention on the drug and its rituals. Marijuana creates psychological dependence while decreasing freedom affected think the opposite is true. Cause irreversible brain damage or slow recovery. Disorder increases the personal and physical appearance deteriorates.  :affraid: 

WOW! This reminds me of a movie I saw once :icon_arrow: REEFER MADNESS  :affraid: :affraid:

A  :ghsdf: propaganda  :icon_albino: film...

 :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 14, 2012, 08:58:49 PM
@It'sHer: I LOVED your posts! you're great!!!
Love you sis'!  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: RK on May 14, 2012, 10:09:33 PM
Not everyone that advocates the benefits of the plant use it to smoke and change their  conscious state. Many are happy with their present state of mind, like me. Hemp oil is beneficial for your health, so I take a spoonful daily and use it as a night rehydrator on my skin. It smells a bit like dope. It's a good thing I am married to an old hippie. To him it is like perfume. We also eat hemp seeds tossed in salads. These are easily available at the health food store. You won't get stoned, but you will benefit from it's goodness.
It is true that many have believed the propaganda that has been fed them about the 'evils' of weed without any first hand experience themselves. My own father was worried back in the mid seventies when his three children were puffing up a storm....so he decided to smoke a joint with us so he could decide for himself. His conclusion was he'd rather have a beer. On another note, my 80 year old mother is going through treatment for cancer of the bladder.....we've already had our talk about pain relief  :icon_e_ugeek: 
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Its her on May 14, 2012, 10:18:02 PM
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@It'sHer: I LOVED your posts! you're great!!!
Love you sis'!  :bearhug:

Thank You, SimPattyK!
Oh, I am just ranting my frustrations...YOU are finding some AMAZING things!!!! WOWEE!  :icon_bounce: All those bubbleweed references and mojo and lollipops. At least ten or more things connected directly to Hoax. My jaw was just  :o :o :o when we got all kinds of "denial". You found way more connections than I EVER even imagined!! Co-incidence shmo-incidence. :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: What the heck??????????????

Makes ya THINK, huh.  :icon_e_surprised: :icon_geek:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Tink on May 14, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
Reefer Madness was straight up Propaganda, with money at stake.

I dislike propaganda. But in the state of California, we do get a yearly card for Chronic Pain patients, to help us cut down on PAIN KILLERS. Edibles, etc., can help us sleep. But it also shows up in urine & blood tests - so if you have that license, you must balance everything. We have Indica (which will obliterate pain), within 2 hits normally. Or Sativa, which is to keep you awake, and keep pain down; it's a hybrid. Usually, they'll mix them both, so we can operate on some level of  normalcy, an hour or two, after smoking it. Unfortunately, eating/drinking it, can affect you for up to a few days. I have 9 documented reasons, plus I always bring in my doctor records, and my MRIs. I'm taken quite seriously.

It really helps with Fibromyalgia, Lupus, Migraines, and other chronic pain diseases, like slipped/degenerative disc disease. Most people will take it when they get home from work, so their body can just really relax. The joke? The Pharmaceuticals are CHEAPER!  :errrr: I have my license, and keep canna butter, and a small amount of Bob Marley's stuff around, just in case of emergencies - I figured it paid for itself, in two ER trips. When you're given Torridol & Demerol, or Dilaudid every time you're run into the ER, and finally you're so dehydrated that your vessels are collapsing? Believe you me - a few puffs of Bob Marley's stuff will make you drink a quart of water, and doze...and maybe pain will be less, when you wake up.

Yeah - it's the only way to cut my painkillers down, but my insurance LOOKS DOWN on it, and would rather give me enough pills to kill me each month. I only pick up orders in that number, because it lasts 3 months on me - same price as a month, idiots.

So, I can't blame big pharma - I really must blame the system. Oh, and when they banned Cannabis? Was AFTER WW2, when they no longer needed Hemp rope for the Battleships! Yes; there was a huge fight between the paper industry and cutting down forests, for Hearst! Cannabis grows much faster - and you don't need the ones that get people high at all; just the fibers. It's an easy renewable resource.

Right now, if they were intelligent? The government would let the Harvard Grads and MIT grads grow it, harvest the buds for people with chronic conditions, make money for the government - tax it at 10%, for the state it's in - then sell all the hemp fibers, for production. The losers who manage to get past the doctors to get "high?" Well, they are always disappointed, lol.

Win/win for everyone! Two different crops, off of each plant. Out here in CA, they get 3 harvests, I think.

Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: wishingstar on May 14, 2012, 11:15:56 PM
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@It'sHer: I LOVED your posts! you're great!!!
Love you sis'!  :bearhug:

Thank You, SimPattyK!
Oh, I am just ranting my frustrations...YOU are finding some AMAZING things!!!! WOWEE!  :icon_bounce: All those bubbleweed references and mojo and lollipops. At least ten or more things connected directly to Hoax. My jaw was just  :o :o :o when we got all kinds of "denial". You found way more connections than I EVER even imagined!! Co-incidence shmo-incidence. :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: What the heck??????????????

Makes ya THINK, huh.  :icon_e_surprised: :icon_geek:


You guys are just two examples of the great, great minds here...truly.  I love how you guys express yourself and create images that make me think....I am a very, very visual learner and person in general.  I admit, sometimes, I get very tired of reading the long posts from people......not that I don't love them, literally my eyes start feeling weird.  However, the visuals that Sim does really does help.  I can look at them and my eyes don't freak out as much......
the information you and others bring to light each and every day has been magnificent.  I truly find myself in awe post after post......Souza, brilliant forum here.....btw....did you see my Amsterdam reply?  I would love to see your city some day for the art and the history.....amazing!!!! 

Have a most beautiful evening/day!
Blessings to all......
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MJonmind on May 15, 2012, 01:10:52 AM
The problem is I don’t think that any real solid scientific long-range studies have been done. And I have learned from when my daughter was doing a research paper, that even studies can be skewed because sponsers/government and other pressures can interfere with the set-up of the study and publishing the results. You’ll always find negative and positives personal experiences with using marijuana.  But how would you know with any particular situation what is related to the mj usage, or if other variables involved. You’d have to do studies with mice   with a completely controlled environment.

I asked my co-worker about her experience with it. She said she and her husband used to sell it. She smokes it only occasionally, but is a chain smoker with regular cigarettes. Her husband smokes regularly too, but used to smoke weed intensively years ago. She said she left him for some years because she felt it was the weed that made him aggressive and angry, mentally addicted to it also.  Concerning my nephew that I wrote about above, I’m actually fairly upset/distancing myself from him, for family reasons, which may relate to his mj usage, because of his temper, tongue and attitude.  Also I worked with a regular mj smoker for a few months, and I and others couldn’t stand him, but I don’t know if it was the weed making him the way he was, or only other factors.

RK
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I can't believe there are so many pages already about simple smoking dope.  One would have to be very naive to think Michael hadn't come across it way early on in the day being in the music industry. It is not that hard to grow a plant for recreational or medical use yourself if you should so desire to. I don't think this is the answer to the hoax why as such...it's simply another avenue or rabbit hole to venture down. This hoax has had many such knowledge gaining trails and this is another of them.

Yes, though I think the plant may have some small part to play in the 'healing of the world', so it's on MJ's list of things that need to be addressed. Healing the world, as he is doing here I believe, is no simple thing (obviously  :icon_e_biggrin:)
 
KAP93
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you could just as easily get addicted to Mr. Jackson if you're not too careful.

Some of us ARE 100% addicted!
I'm pretty much hopeless... :icon_geek: :woohoo2: ;)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MJonmind on May 15, 2012, 01:53:04 AM
Its Her, you didn't respond to  my question in the Front/Back thread -- because I thought your comment was interesting!

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They can SEE that decriminalization of this tree of life, The Cure,
Wait, are you saying the Marijuana plant is the Tree of Life, for the healing of the nations?  Or just playing with words?

Okay maybe not Tree of Life, but maybe the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, that's if they smoked it! :icon_lol:

Genesis 2:9,17,
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9 And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden,
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat[d] of it you shall surely die…
Here’s the whole story of Adam and Eve and the great “sin” of eating from the tree that would make them wise—open their eyes!  (Sounds like Marijuana!)  Weird why they didn’t eat from the Tree of Life while they had the chance.  Genesis 3 ESV - The Fall - Now the serpent was more - Bible Gateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203&version=ESV)

But we get a chance in End-times:
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Revelation 22:1-2
22 Then the angel[a] showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Okay, maybe I'm not serious, but it kinda makes you speculate on actual trees these were and will be in the future. God did make them after-all, and maybe they have roles to play in the Big picture.  Imagine the world transformed by the proper usage and promotion of this one whole plant/tree with all it's parts.  Of course in unison with other innovative and healing ideas.  I'm sure our MJ's got a whole lot more ideas to share!!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MissG on May 15, 2012, 09:35:47 AM
I was thinking...MJ had a lot of pain in his back. Every person i talked to who consumed Maria said that the plant helped them more than anything to relieve the back pain.

Do we know if Michael smoked anything?
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: RK on May 15, 2012, 01:19:46 PM
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I was thinking...MJ had a lot of pain in his back. Every person i talked to who consumed Maria said that the plant helped them more than anything to relieve the back pain.

Do we know if Michael smoked anything?
Yes according to Frank Casscio in his book. Only for a brief year or so he said.
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Its Her, you didn't respond to  my question in the Front/Back thread -- because I thought your comment was interesting!

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They can SEE that decriminalization of this tree of life, The Cure,
Wait, are you saying the Marijuana plant is the Tree of Life, for the healing of the nations?  Or just playing with words?

Okay maybe not Tree of Life, but maybe the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, that's if they smoked it! :icon_lol:

Genesis 2:9,17,
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9 And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden,
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat[d] of it you shall surely die…
Here’s the whole story of Adam and Eve and the great “sin” of eating from the tree that would make them wise—open their eyes!  (Sounds like Marijuana!)  Weird why they didn’t eat from the Tree of Life while they had the chance.  Genesis 3 ESV - The Fall - Now the serpent was more - Bible Gateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203&version=ESV)

But we get a chance in End-times:
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Revelation 22:1-2
22 Then the angel[a] showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Okay, maybe I'm not serious, but it kinda makes you speculate on actual trees these were and will be in the future. God did make them after-all, and maybe they have roles to play in the Big picture.  Imagine the world transformed by the proper usage and promotion of this one whole plant/tree with all it's parts.  Of course in unison with other innovative and healing ideas.  I'm sure our MJ's got a whole lot more ideas to share!!
Sorry to but in here, but I met a mad man once when I had first become a christian that was convinced that 'the plant' was the tree of life spoken about for the healing of the nations. He also swore black and blue that our then Premier, Joe Bjelkie Petersen was the antichrist. But the creepiest thing was that he took to his own leg with an axe. He said that he had to do it because of that scripture...if thine eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. He ended up an amputee. I was terrified of this poor man back then  and would cross the road to avoid having to talk to him.   :-\
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MissG on May 15, 2012, 02:23:17 PM
Thanks, RK!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PureLove on May 15, 2012, 04:27:02 PM
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Side effects of marijuana:
physical effects: Marijuana impairs the lungs and cells, especially white blood cells and spermatozoa. Accelerates the pulse. Lowers the defenses. It damages the throat (pharyngitis, cough). A joint just leaves more tar in the lungs that several cigarettes among other reasons because it is smoked without a filter (bronchitis, asthma). Psychic effects: Marijuana distorts the perception spoiling the sensitivity, decreased memory and will make it difficult to think, learn and make decisions, produces anxiety and aggression altering the psychic equilibrium. Makes you lose interest and motivation for the normal things (life, health, ...) to focus attention on the drug and its rituals. Marijuana creates psychological dependence while decreasing freedom affected think the opposite is true. Cause irreversible brain damage or slow recovery. Disorder increases the personal and physical appearance deteriorates.  :affraid: 

WOW! This reminds me of a movie I saw once :icon_arrow: REEFER MADNESS  :affraid: :affraid:

A  :ghsdf: propaganda  :icon_albino: film...

 :thjajaja121:


Wish those side effects were not true but they are all true unfortunately. I experienced it as I wrote in my previous post. Yes, marijuana is a plant which has the effect of a dangerous drug which makes it a drug!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Its her on May 15, 2012, 05:15:42 PM
(originally asked in the Front & Back thread, where I was asked to not talk about marijuana there.  :smiley_abuv: )
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They can SEE that decriminalization of this tree of life, The Cure,
Wait, are you saying the Marijuana plant is the Tree of Life, for the healing of the nations?  Or just playing with words?
Hi MJonmind,

To answer your question, er, not exactly. While the Tree of Life is still on Earth but invisible, according to the Bible, it would be a major stretch to say for certain that they are the same item. For one thing, it was GOD who hid the Tree of Life from Man in his "fallen" state, to be revealed to us later, and it is Man keeping the world from the marijuana plant, now. There is a huge difference: the invisible one causes men to Live Forever and the Man-prohibited one simply causes healing and temporary happiness. ;D

It would be  :-[ catastrophic   :-[ for Man to live forever, permanently damaged and under the Tyrannical rule of the underworld. It seems to me that the tree could have been here in another form, SINCE the garden, because Jesus said that all who come personally to Him will never die. Once He makes it so each of us will never die, who needs the "Object"  formerly known  as "the Tree of Life"? Hmmm...

This would be something to pursue in depth on the sister site, where the Types and Shadows (TS? ???) were discussed. Not sure myself, if that tree was "a Type" of Christ, or "a Type" of the tree he died on :affraid:. But it would explain some things as being Forethought, because nothing surprises or escapes God, and He planned Eternal Life with Christ, way before Man went and fell... :icon_rolleyes:

I am not certain when, maybe during the Millenium, when Jesus is THE Authority here on Earth, mj or another plant which we may not recognize (because it is a completely other healing plant/tree than mj), will be here for everyone here to freely use for HEALING, since Jesus created it, and He'll be in Charge, ;) but it will not give anyone Eternal Life. I am thinking they are certainly two DIFFERENT trees. :icon_geek:

People are calling marijuana the "Tree of Life" because it KILLS diseases attempting to KILL US, without harming us AT ALL. I suppose it FEELS like someone gave you LIFE, once you are rescued from the clutches of something so hellishly painful, debilitating, disfiguring, and deadly as cancer. :-\

So they are calling it that out of sheer awe.  :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 15, 2012, 07:24:27 PM
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Side effects of marijuana:
physical effects: Marijuana impairs the lungs and cells, especially white blood cells and spermatozoa. Accelerates the pulse. Lowers the defenses. It damages the throat (pharyngitis, cough). A joint just leaves more tar in the lungs that several cigarettes among other reasons because it is smoked without a filter (bronchitis, asthma). Psychic effects: Marijuana distorts the perception spoiling the sensitivity, decreased memory and will make it difficult to think, learn and make decisions, produces anxiety and aggression altering the psychic equilibrium. Makes you lose interest and motivation for the normal things (life, health, ...) to focus attention on the drug and its rituals. Marijuana creates psychological dependence while decreasing freedom affected think the opposite is true. Cause irreversible brain damage or slow recovery. Disorder increases the personal and physical appearance deteriorates.  :affraid: 

WOW! This reminds me of a movie I saw once :icon_arrow: REEFER MADNESS  :affraid: :affraid:

A  :ghsdf: propaganda  :icon_albino: film...

 :thjajaja121:


Wish those side effects were not true but they are all true unfortunately. I experienced it as I wrote in my previous post. Yes, marijuana is a plant which has the effect of a dangerous drug which makes it a drug!

Then it most likely wasn't pure weed.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Its her on May 15, 2012, 07:33:58 PM
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Side effects of marijuana:
physical effects: Marijuana impairs the lungs and cells, especially white blood cells and spermatozoa. Accelerates the pulse. Lowers the defenses. It damages the throat (pharyngitis, cough). A joint just leaves more tar in the lungs that several cigarettes among other reasons because it is smoked without a filter (bronchitis, asthma). Psychic effects: Marijuana distorts the perception spoiling the sensitivity, decreased memory and will make it difficult to think, learn and make decisions, produces anxiety and aggression altering the psychic equilibrium. Makes you lose interest and motivation for the normal things (life, health, ...) to focus attention on the drug and its rituals. Marijuana creates psychological dependence while decreasing freedom affected think the opposite is true. Cause irreversible brain damage or slow recovery. Disorder increases the personal and physical appearance deteriorates.  :affraid: 

WOW! This reminds me of a movie I saw once :icon_arrow: REEFER MADNESS  :affraid: :affraid:

A  :ghsdf: propaganda  :icon_albino: film...

 :thjajaja121:


Wish those side effects were not true but they are all true :icon_question: unfortunately. I experienced it as I wrote in my previous post. Yes, marijuana is a plant which has the effect of a dangerous drug which makes it a drug!

Wow. I am sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience! I don't know what else may have been going on, because I don't know what else was in the weed you obtained, or what, if any prescriptions you were taking at the same time.

You didn't experience ALL of the effects in the list, because weed has never DAMAGED any brains, lungs or throats or body systems, and actually someone who has an illness exchanging gases in the lungs hadn't ought to be SMOKING  :affraid: anything! It probably needs to be used with a vaporizer or as cupcakes, and not as a joint, for lung sensitive folks. I only know what people tell me, including you, and even people with asthma are very happy with it. :) I don't know what happened with you, unless you got the weed mixed with any of the things unscrupulous people mix it with to make more profit :Crash:. When it is legal it will be safer. :icon_e_smile: 

 :icon_arrow: It's possible you COULD be allergic to it or something added to it.  :confused: One sign of an allergy to a FOOD is a very rapid pulse, so it was probably not the body friendly natural THC, etc., in the weed. The herb "sage" is another all healing wonder, but some people are just allergic to it. :icon_e_confused:

Allergies are a tricky business. You can die suddenly, so they are nothing to fool with. They are also a BIG business  :Crash:. There used to be a genius and compassionate doctor who cured peoples' long time allergies, by rethinking what Histamine was FOR, in the human body. He couldn't believe that something God made the body produce would go so backwards in the body and kill people, and he was right. He was the guy with the Water Cure. Unfortunately, he was killed in 2004 after helping billions of people.  :'( :-\ :-\ :-\

There is a pill form of synthetic THC which is prescribed by medical doctors which is mostly useless if you ask around, and dangerous, because it is a doctored=ruined  :icon_mad: form of THC. Prescriptions are ALL toxins of various degrees, all by themselves.

The naturally growing, God-made plant nutrientS IN the natural state are perfectly  :icon_e_surprised: balanced with human physiology, especially receptors in the brain, lungs, liver and gut. It is a whole package. It is like this was purposely designed for US! Marijuana has been clinically given to EVEN people with the aforementioned pre-existing/pre-ingestion issues (anxiety, aggression, lethargy, and indecisiveness) without making these worse. It's not a cure ALL; it won't make one a self starter if one is decidedly lazy. It won't raise one's IQ who is lethargic and disinterested in applying himself to learning. It's not magic and it may not be for everyone. Please don't use it at all, then, or at least never alone, if it affects YOU in a scary way.  :bearhug:  :icon_e_smile:

 
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Its her on May 15, 2012, 08:40:17 PM
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@It'sHer: I LOVED your posts! you're great!!!
Love you sis'!  :bearhug:

Thank You, SimPattyK!
Oh, I am just ranting my frustrations...YOU are finding some AMAZING things!!!! WOWEE!  :icon_bounce: All those bubbleweed references and mojo and lollipops. At least ten or more things connected directly to Hoax. My jaw was just  :o :o :o when we got all kinds of "denial". You found way more connections than I EVER even imagined!! Co-incidence shmo-incidence. :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: What the heck??????????????

Makes ya THINK, huh.  :icon_e_surprised: :icon_geek:


You guys are just two examples of the great, great minds here...truly.  I love how you guys express yourself and create images that make me think....I am a very, very visual learner and person in general.  I admit, sometimes, I get very tired of reading the long posts from people......not that I don't love them, literally my eyes start feeling weird.  However, the visuals that Sim does really does help.  I can look at them and my eyes don't freak out as much......
the information you and others bring to light each and every day has been magnificent.  I truly find myself in awe post after post......Souza, brilliant forum here.....btw....did you see my Amsterdam reply?  I would love to see your city some day for the art and the history.....amazing!!!! 

Have a most beautiful evening/day!
Blessings to all......

:affraid: :bowdown: Wishingstar, you are just too nice! I always wanted to be a 'Great Mind' but have had to settle for the picking of others'  :thjajaja121:!!!! I AM learning tons of stuff, a VERY visual learner, myself (!) just from hanging out with the clever and well read people HERE, but it is so heartwarming to be included with some great minds, like SimPattyK!  ;) ;) She must NEVER sleep--always tick-tock-ticking and finding all kinds of connections to thousands of things we never knew in this Hoax. Those clothing montages and thread    were downright spooky!  :affraid: I mean, MJ MUST have planned how and when like clothes were worn for big days in the Hoax, but for SimPattyK to have gleaned these from all kinds of time periods, it's impossible and AMAZING, to me. :th_bravo: And to throw Elvis in the mix with like clothing and costumes...ohmiGOSH! I am SHOCKED at the similarites that keep coming up. I'm going to post something about him when I figure out where to post it. But thank you so much for being so sweet, including me in such a prestigious group :woohoo2:. I think I have more of a tabloid :affraid: mind--
"INQUIRING, and I WANT TO KNOW!  :Crash:  :screaming-7365: RIGHT NOW!"  :thjajaja121:

And Back's and Front's numbers "made" me feel like the Village :-[ Idiot, so I treasure your kind and generous words!!! :-*
;D
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on May 15, 2012, 09:19:48 PM
so we are almost 3 years into this thing and ..... to my knowledge......  no one ....connected to michael exclaimed .........
poor michael this never would have had to happen if only he would have been able to have pot legally.....


geez louise can we say overkill  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Its her on May 15, 2012, 09:20:59 PM
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Reefer Madness was straight up Propaganda, with money at stake.

I dislike propaganda. But in the state of California, we do get a yearly card for Chronic Pain patients, to help us cut down on PAIN KILLERS. Edibles, etc., can help us sleep. But it also shows up in urine & blood tests - so if you have that license, you must balance everything. We have Indica (which will obliterate pain), within 2 hits normally. Or Sativa, which is to keep you awake, and keep pain down; it's a hybrid. Usually, they'll mix them both, so we can operate on some level of  normalcy, an hour or two, after smoking it. Unfortunately, eating/drinking it, can affect you for up to a few days. I have 9 documented reasons, plus I always bring in my doctor records, and my MRIs. I'm taken quite seriously.

It really helps with Fibromyalgia, Lupus, Migraines, and other chronic pain diseases, like slipped/degenerative disc disease. Most people will take it when they get home from work, so their body can just really relax. The joke? The Pharmaceuticals are CHEAPER!  :errrr: I have my license, and keep canna butter, and a small amount of Bob Marley's stuff around, just in case of emergencies - I figured it paid for itself, in two ER trips. When you're given Torridol & Demerol, or Dilaudid every time you're run into the ER, and finally you're so dehydrated that your vessels are collapsing? Believe you me - a few puffs of Bob Marley's stuff will make you drink a quart of water, and doze...and maybe pain will be less, when you wake up.

Yeah - it's the only way to cut my painkillers down, but my insurance LOOKS DOWN on it, and would rather give me enough pills to kill me each month. I only pick up orders in that number, because it lasts 3 months on me - same price as a month, idiots.

So, I can't blame big pharma - I really must blame the system. Oh, and when they banned Cannabis? Was AFTER WW2, when they no longer needed Hemp rope for the Battleships! Yes; there was a huge fight between the paper industry and cutting down forests, for Hearst! Cannabis grows much faster - and you don't need the ones that get people high at all; just the fibers. It's an easy renewable resource.

Right now, if they were intelligent? The government would let the Harvard Grads and MIT grads grow it, harvest the buds for people with chronic conditions, make money for the government - tax it at 10%, for the state it's in - then sell all the hemp fibers, for production. The losers who manage to get past the doctors to get "high?" Well, they are always disappointed, lol.

Win/win for everyone! Two different crops, off of each plant. Out here in CA, they get 3 harvests, I think.

Tink, thank you for all this info! Too bad you had to learn all this the hard way (personal need). I agree, it is the System, with Big Pharma being just one of their many foul-stenched limbs. I love your ideas! My kingdom for an intelligent, fearless, ethical person in government!! :screaming-7365: Btw, you're pretty savvy, what do YOU think went wrong with the CA campaign---it was supposed to make money for the state--was it to legalize mj or loosen up the medical usage to include more people/ illnesses, I forget---WHAT happened when everyone was so focused and in agreement, there??? Not enough money, not enough re-education of the public? Not enough leg work? Signatures? I mean, if you have an idea. :)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Its her on May 15, 2012, 10:41:05 PM
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so we are almost 3 years into this thing and ..... to my knowledge......  no one ....connected to michael exclaimed .........
poor michael this never would have had to happen if only he would have been able to have pot legally.....


geez louise can we say overkill  :icon_rolleyes:

It is very possible, especially if one of the purposes for the Hoax is to clean up MJ's rumor and prejudice tarnished image, that he did not WANT to be connected to an illegal recreational drug. Prescriptions, while even more evil and dangerous, are more widely accepted as necessary and even prestigious, and anyway, can be ALL made to go away at the end of the Hoax, when he comes back and EVERYTHING is shown to be over the top LIES, or everything and everybody which can be stung, IS.  :Crash:

But, marijuana needs new press and education. That is a lot, because it is illegal and that automatically makes people who consider themselves upstanding citizens, easily, without question, choose to be against it. Maybe connecting it to a very upstanding scientific or medical organization, for a "Halo effect" would help, instead of only the wooly masses, or anarchists "smoking themselves silly for fun", clamoring for it.

You see? Weed has SUCH a bad rap itself, rethinking this, I would expect a genius choosing his battles carefully to step over that one, at least this time. :icon_e_ugeek: :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red

We don't NEED him or a hoax to change the way people view weed. It is do-able at the WE THE PEOPLE level, in America. Collecting a million signatures (It may only be half that, and it's only a fifth of that for just one state), to get it on the ballot isn't fun, but well, how bad do we need to have a viable safe alternative to the typical cancer treatments in use today?? Changing what people think is the hardest thing, but changing what they see is not. EVERYONE knows someone disfigured by surgery, chemo and radiation, AND who STILL has the cancer creepily spreading its ugly deformed mess in other places on the same "medically treated" body, if they are still alive. Maybe just another year and even "good" upstanding people will become mad as hell, begin to hope in the real cure, and free it for common, legal use.  :beerchug:
 
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: gwynned on May 15, 2012, 11:39:54 PM
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r ideas! My kingdom for an intelligent, fearless, ethical person in government!! :screaming-7365: Btw, you're pretty savvy, what do YOU think went wrong with the CA campaign---it was supposed to make money for the state--was it to legalize mj or loosen up the medical usage to include more people/ illnesses, I forget---WHAT happened when everyone was so focused and in agreement, there??? Not enough money, not enough re-education of the public? Not enough leg work? Signatures? I mean, if you have an idea. :) [/color][/size][/font][/b]

For what it's worth, here are my thoughts on why it failed.  First you have people who are conservative who are and always have been against it.   Then you have a growing people who want it legalized.  The problem is, for almost anyone in California, it can be gotten legally. so there's no real compelling reason to change it as it might end up in the hands of big business.  As it stands now, communities like mine in Humboldt are kept afloat because of it.  Bottom line is little to gain and potentially lots to lose from certain perspectives.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: curls on May 16, 2012, 02:01:01 AM
Just a thought: the general perception on this thread seems to be that any bad side effects must've been caused by something undesirable being added. Why though do you think that legalising it means an end to this practice? Governments would have their hands in it, imposing 'standards' etc, which would be no better than unscrupulous producers now. Or maybe you are supposing everyone will be growing their own?  They don't, in general, do that with their (government regulated) 'food' to ensure it's free from unhealthy modifications, so following that train of thought ......

I just feel a little balance and forethought could be added to your obvious enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: MJonmind on May 16, 2012, 04:56:32 AM
Yes, that's why we have the Liquor Comission, meat inspectors, milk inspectors, government run casinos, and a million other regulators officially supposedly keeping the product clean, consistent and safe for the public consumer. And of course they make a tidy profit on all of that being channeled through them.  And we don't know what else they have up their sleeves--for examples the GMO foods and the Monsanto monopoly--leading to the fear that their goal is prevent the world from growing anything but their seed--leading to starvation.  Good things in the start that become slippery slopes.

Its Her, thanks for your interesting and as usual flamboyant answer!
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So they are calling it (mj) that (Tree of Life) out of sheer awe.

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SimPattyK!  ;) ;)  She must NEVER sleep
Was that an order for her to keep working?  :icon_mad:  :icon_lol:  Or speculation on her hours of research? :icon_cry:
What would we do without her brilliant visual dot connecting extraordinaire?!  Simpa, just don’t try propofol okay?

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Sorry to but in here, but I met a mad man once when I had first become a christian that was convinced that 'the plant' was the tree of life spoken about for the healing of the nations. He also swore black and blue that our then Premier, Joe Bjelkie Petersen was the antichrist. But the creepiest thing was that he took to his own leg with an axe. He said that he had to do it because of that scripture...if thine eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. He ended up an amputee. I was terrified of this poor man back then  and would cross the road to avoid having to talk to him.
 
 :icon_eek: :icon_e_sad: :thjajaja121:

Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: suspicious mind on May 16, 2012, 06:08:27 AM
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so we are almost 3 years into this thing and ..... to my knowledge......  no one ....connected to michael exclaimed .........
poor michael this never would have had to happen if only he would have been able to have pot legally.....


geez louise can we say overkill  :icon_rolleyes:

It is very possible, especially if one of the purposes for the Hoax is to clean up MJ's rumor and prejudice tarnished image, that he did not WANT to be connected to an illegal recreational drug. Prescriptions, while even more evil and dangerous, are more widely accepted as necessary and even prestigious, and anyway, can be ALL made to go away at the end of the Hoax, when he comes back and EVERYTHING is shown to be over the top LIES, or everything and everybody which can be stung, IS.  :Crash:

But, marijuana needs new press and education. That is a lot, because it is illegal and that automatically makes people who consider themselves upstanding citizens, easily, without question, choose to be against it. Maybe connecting it to a very upstanding scientific or medical organization, for a "Halo effect" would help, instead of only the wooly masses, or anarchists "smoking themselves silly for fun", clamoring for it.

You see? Weed has SUCH a bad rap itself, rethinking this, I would expect a genius choosing his battles carefully to step over that one, at least this time. :icon_e_ugeek: :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red

We don't NEED him or a hoax to change the way people view weed. It is do-able at the WE THE PEOPLE level, in America. Collecting a million signatures (It may only be half that, and it's only a fifth of that for just one state), to get it on the ballot isn't fun, but well, how bad do we need to have a viable safe alternative to the typical cancer treatments in use today?? Changing what people think is the hardest thing, but changing what they see is not. EVERYONE knows someone disfigured by surgery, chemo and radiation, AND who STILL has the cancer creepily spreading its ugly deformed mess in other places on the same "medically treated" body, if they are still alive. Maybe just another year and even "good" upstanding people will become mad as hell, begin to hope in the real cure, and free it for common, legal use.  :beerchug:
 


that is another aspect of this whole thing that everyone seems to be overlooking imo is the hard reality that sometimes genious can't tie their own damn shoes!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 16, 2012, 11:22:48 AM
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@It'sHer: I LOVED your posts! you're great!!! Love you sis'!  :bearhug:
Thank You, SimPattyK!
Oh, I am just ranting my frustrations...YOU are finding some AMAZING things!!!! WOWEE!  :icon_bounce: All those bubbleweed references and mojo and lollipops. At least ten or more things connected directly to Hoax. My jaw was just  :o :o :o when we got all kinds of "denial". You found way more connections than I EVER even imagined!! Co-incidence shmo-incidence. :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: What the heck??????????????
Makes ya THINK, huh.  :icon_e_surprised: :icon_geek:
You guys are just two examples of the great, great minds here...truly.  I love how you guys express yourself and create images that make me think....I am a very, very visual learner and person in general.  I admit, sometimes, I get very tired of reading the long posts from people......not that I don't love them, literally my eyes start feeling weird.  However, the visuals that Sim does really does help.  I can look at them and my eyes don't freak out as much......
the information you and others bring to light each and every day has been magnificent.  I truly find myself in awe post after post......Souza, brilliant forum here.....btw....did you see my Amsterdam reply?  I would love to see your city some day for the art and the history.....amazing!!!! 
Have a most beautiful evening/day! Blessings to all......
:affraid: :bowdown: Wishingstar, you are just too nice! I always wanted to be a 'Great Mind' but have had to settle for the picking of others'  :thjajaja121:!!!! I AM learning tons of stuff, a VERY visual learner, myself (!) just from hanging out with the clever and well read people HERE, but it is so heartwarming to be included with some great minds, like SimPattyK!  ;) ;) She must NEVER sleep--always tick-tock-ticking and finding all kinds of connections to thousands of things we never knew in this Hoax. Those clothing montages and thread    were downright spooky!  :affraid: I mean, MJ MUST have planned how and when like clothes were worn for big days in the Hoax, but for SimPattyK to have gleaned these from all kinds of time periods, it's impossible and AMAZING, to me. :th_bravo: And to throw Elvis in the mix with like clothing and costumes...ohmiGOSH! I am SHOCKED at the similarites that keep coming up. I'm going to post something about him when I figure out where to post it. But thank you so much for being so sweet, including me in such a prestigious group :woohoo2:. I think I have more of a tabloid :affraid: mind--
"INQUIRING, and I WANT TO KNOW!  :Crash:  :screaming-7365: RIGHT NOW!"  :thjajaja121:

And Back's and Front's numbers "made" me feel like the Village :-[ Idiot, so I treasure your kind and generous words!!! :-*
;D

Aaawww! @Wishy & @It'sHer: I can't even start to tell you the joy I'm feeling every-time I read you both.
I want to tell you that everything you wrote about me is exactly how I feel about you too!

I am so happy you love my findings. If I made connections, some more or less relevant than others, I want you to know that that most of those connections, especially the recent ones, are the result of our fruitful, constructive discussions, both on the forum and in private. And what I say here, is available also for MjonMind and BTC.
I feel like we're a TEAM !!! really!! I am fully aware that I wouldn't have gotten here with my research and findings if it weren't for all of you!

I know this might sound a bit restrictive to other members of this forum. Please don't interpret it that way. I do like you and appreciate you all and I enjoy being here, all of you are great, each in unique special way, you all contribute greatly to this incredible adventure and I feel proud and privileged to be a part of this together with all of you!

Regarding what I said above... It's  simply a FACT that I cannot ignore !! and I need to SCREAM it out loud! Otherwise I would feel like being ungrateful to these 4 wonderful fairy-friends , that have always inspired me, mesmerized me with their lovely and mind blowing comments, ever since I arrived on this forum. Not to mention their encouragements !! PLUS: I've never related so MUCH with anyone ever before! In terms of so many things shared in common to the point where I freaked out sometimes at how telepathy works between us! It's crazy how so many times we manage to think exactly the same and express entire lines of thoughts exactly in the same way the other one would! I've never experienced such MIND - READING with anyone ever before! and much less with 4 people !! You'll have forever my gratitude, respect and love  :bearhug:
I think that in 90% of the cases we could say we're each other's archetype!  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: just joking!! But really... after years, when I'll remember my time spent on this forum, I think THIS ^^ will be the most powerful memory I'll have!


Now on-topic loll
Might this be a clue we have missed at that time? ---- > TIAI January 7 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=21917.msg403965#msg403965)
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 16, 2012, 11:43:47 AM
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Quote from: It'sHer
SimPattyK!  ;) ;)  She must NEVER sleep
Was that an order for her to keep working?  :icon_mad:  :icon_lol:  Or speculation on her hours of research? :icon_cry:
What would we do without her brilliant visual dot connecting extraordinaire?!  Simpa, just don’t try propofol okay?
lmao  :thjajaja121:

@It'sHer is right!! Lately I've been missing sleep-hours, but boy... OH BOY!! what I've gained in exchange!! priceless!
I wish I didn't need to sleep in order to function loll
But who can sleep when there's so many things to read about and time is as if nonexistent! Time is really my biggest enemy right NOW!

I am tired, I can feel tiredness, physically, but mentally I feel like a V8 engine!
Now I will take a slower rhythm and get more rest... I am at a stage where I have gathered a lot of info in my head and on my pc... info that needs to lay for a while so that I can make a path through it.... In other words "let it simmer" a bit more! loll So I stop digging for now... now I will try to catch up with answering messages and reading threads here that I haven't had time to read lately...

@MjonMind: lmao  :icon_lol: You can be tranquil about that. The only drug I know is MUSIC, that's how I go to sleep, that's how I wake up loll

LOVE you guys!  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: PureLove on May 16, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
Guys please just remember that we have 14-15 year old kids on the forum. I respect all of your opinions but just remember that they can find encouragement in your posts to smoke weeds.

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Then it most likely wasn't pure weed.

He was growing the weed himself, so it was pure weed.

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Wow. I am sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience! I don't know what else may have been going on, because I don't know what else was in the weed you obtained, or what, if any prescriptions you were taking at the same time.

You didn't experience ALL of the effects in the list, because weed has never DAMAGED any brains, lungs or throats or body systems, and actually someone who has an illness exchanging gases in the lungs hadn't ought to be SMOKING  :affraid: anything! It probably needs to be used with a vaporizer or as cupcakes, and not as a joint, for lung sensitive folks. I only know what people tell me, including you, and even people with asthma are very happy with it. :) I don't know what happened with you, unless you got the weed mixed with any of the things unscrupulous people mix it with to make more profit :Crash:. When it is legal it will be safer. :icon_e_smile: 

 :icon_arrow: It's possible you COULD be allergic to it or something added to it.  :confused: One sign of an allergy to a FOOD is a very rapid pulse, so it was probably not the body friendly natural THC, etc., in the weed. The herb "sage" is another all healing wonder, but some people are just allergic to it. :icon_e_confused:

Allergies are a tricky business. You can die suddenly, so they are nothing to fool with. They are also a BIG business  :Crash:. There used to be a genius and compassionate doctor who cured peoples' long time allergies, by rethinking what Histamine was FOR, in the human body. He couldn't believe that something God made the body produce would go so backwards in the body and kill people, and he was right. He was the guy with the Water Cure. Unfortunately, he was killed in 2004 after helping billions of people.  :'( :-\ :-\ :-\

There is a pill form of synthetic THC which is prescribed by medical doctors which is mostly useless if you ask around, and dangerous, because it is a doctored=ruined  :icon_mad: form of THC. Prescriptions are ALL toxins of various degrees, all by themselves.

The naturally growing, God-made plant nutrientS IN the natural state are perfectly  :icon_e_surprised: balanced with human physiology, especially receptors in the brain, lungs, liver and gut. It is a whole package. It is like this was purposely designed for US! Marijuana has been clinically given to EVEN people with the aforementioned pre-existing/pre-ingestion issues (anxiety, aggression, lethargy, and indecisiveness) without making these worse. It's not a cure ALL; it won't make one a self starter if one is decidedly lazy. It won't raise one's IQ who is lethargic and disinterested in applying himself to learning. It's not magic and it may not be for everyone. Please don't use it at all, then, or at least never alone, if it affects YOU in a scary way.  :bearhug:  :icon_e_smile:

 


I have to disagree with almost everything you wrote Itsher. It was my ex bf who got into weeds, not me. He was not using it when we first met and started dating but then started to use it because of his friends. He was growing the weed in his back yard. So the weed he smoked was pure! The rest is just like I wrote in one of my previous posts. He didn't have any lung or breathing problems or he wasn't forgetting anything before he started to use it. He was such a healthy guy and I experienced how he lost his health, his career, his family and me. He started to cough like he had cancer, he started to have breathing problems, started to forget everything, became an emotionless person, also became a very nervous, depressed person especially when he didn't smoke it. It wasn't enough for him that he started to use some more drugs like extasy and so on.

Yes, maybe just a smoke per day might not be dangerous BUT it is hard for people to keep it at that. MOST of them start to smoke more and more and then they start to lose their health and then start using other drugs. It was NOT only my bf who had to go through all of this because of weeds but also his friends too. That's how I experienced it from the first hand and how I know how dangerous using weeds is.

If any of you is using weeds, pls be careful with it. I saw how it damages lives. Love to all of you.
  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: wishingstar on May 16, 2012, 12:54:54 PM
For the most part I have stayed off this thread...just a couple of random posts/thoughts.  I would like to say I do shadow PureLove's statement of the kids on forum....if for the only reason, some of those kids are probably from the States.......where it is still a very illegal substance.  All doctor's notes aside, get caught with that stuff your life is trashed here......schools kick you out, you can be jailed, scholarships lost in a heartbeat, jobs lost.....it's illegal stuff here.  So please do not risk your future...I have seen many kids lose way too much because of it.  It's not worth it.........


Blessings Always
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: bec on May 16, 2012, 01:13:08 PM
Btw, it is "weed" singular as the plural, you do not add an "s".

Yes, it's bugging me.

There is a lot of misinformation flying around this thread from both sides.
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: Tink on May 16, 2012, 03:12:38 PM
@itsher - we barely lost. The biggest issue, is the abuse that goes on with it, and the fact we have the Mexican CARTELS MURDERING people over Pot street distribution!

49 headless people over the past week. HOW do we stop this madness!?  :'( That's why we can't legalize it across the board! We'd just be putting money into their pockets. Decriminalizing it for personal use - that's what we've done. Dealers? PRISON.

There's THC, which gets people high, and like it's been pointed out - that's the ingredient that makes people USELESS, and absolutely can cause other health issues. It makes them want more, more, more. THAT is the type the Cartels have a grip on, make their money on.

As for the MMJ patients? The doctors won't give a recommendation under either 18 - 21. And they do comb through your medical records these days, thank goodness.

THC isn't the ingredient we're using for MMJ patients; it's the cannaboids for pain, which won't get the stoner's high.

BUT - it sounds wrong, about what was found at the house; you know why? Because patients get it in glass or plastic Medicine bottles, same as regular meds, with a label of which place it came from, with name on it - NOT in baggies.

Ergo, it WAS NOT MICHAEL'S! Doesn't anyone realize that!?

It really sounds to me, like the moldy baggies were planted by someone - who knew nothing about this, or didn't think it mattered. Did the cops plant it, from really OLD evidence lockers?

p.s. - I don't use it anymore, because I have decent insurance again. Yes; I take an awful lot of meds each day, but I can travel to any state and any country without getting busted. It's a sigh of relief for me!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 17, 2012, 04:20:43 PM
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For the most part I have stayed off this thread...just a couple of random posts/thoughts.  I would like to say I do shadow PureLove's statement of the kids on forum....if for the only reason, some of those kids are probably from the States.......where it is still a very illegal substance.  All doctor's notes aside, get caught with that stuff your life is trashed here......schools kick you out, you can be jailed, scholarships lost in a heartbeat, jobs lost.....it's illegal stuff here.  So please do not risk your future...I have seen many kids lose way too much because of it.  It's not worth it.........

Blessings Always
I agree with what you say Wishy, when it comes to laws, which are more or less debatable, YESSS people need to watch what they're doing! And I totally understand PureLove's point of view too, especially coming from a concrete personal experience. I am sorry you had to endure such a terrible circumstance, PureLove.
 
Marijuana is a plant, but with powerful effects...that can influence differently people, just like for ex. coffee makes some people feel sleepy, while others feel full of energy! totally opposite effects! So most certainly marijuana has various effects on different people. Even if it's a plant , it's not like your consuming a fruit or something !! And when it's smoked it gets more harmful.

The way I see this plant is for only extreme situations, when you really need it as a treatment, as an alternative to chemical drugs!  And just as I don't take an aspirin as soon as my head hurts a bit when I get cold, I prefer to let the pain go by itself and I take the pill only if it persists, so similarly I wouldn't take marijuana under any form, just for the "fun of it"! I think of this plant just as I think of any medicine: it is be used only when needed and with caution!!!
Title: Re: Michael and Marijuana
Post by: SimPattyK on May 17, 2012, 07:21:27 PM
Unless I'm having HALLUCINATIONS, Lisa just made a video in Elvis's studio and she's wearing a dress with...... MARIJUANA LEAVES!!  :affraid:

--------- > Lisa Marie Presley ~ interviews/videos/articles/photos (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22103.msg404392#msg404392)
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