Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => The Jackson Family & Kids => Prince, Paris & Blanket => Topic started by: *Mo* on September 16, 2010, 11:39:54 AM
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According to ET Online and TMZ the Guardian ad Litem for Prince, Paris and Blanket is Margaret Lodise:
Guardian ad Litem Appointed for Michael Jackson's Children
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A Los Angeles judge has appointed a Guardian ad Litem to represent the interests of Michael Jackson's three young children.
Judge Mitchell Beckloff has named attorney Margaret Lodise of the firm of Sacks, Glazier, Franklin & Lodise, LLP, as the Guardian ad Litem for "Prince" Michael, Paris, and Prince "Blanket." According to the court, the children's grandmother, Katherine Jackson, will remain the Guardian of the Person for the children.
http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/08/77431/index.html (http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/08/77431/index.html)
Michael Jackson Merchandise Hearing
8/17/2009 3:00 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
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The lawyer for Michael Jackson's kids is set to appear in court for the first time today, as lawyers for the estate and Katherine Jackson's lawyers try to reach an agreement on merchandising all things Michael.
UPDATE 7:10 PM -- And we're done for the day. Biggest headline -- the judge has approved a major Jackson merchandising deal, but there is still one more deal (with AEG for a Jackson memorabilia tour) to be decided upon.
UPDATE 7:03 PM -- The judge has set an evidentiary hearing for Friday -- so the AEG deal won't be approved (or denied) until then.
UPDATE 6:45 PM -- An attorney for AEG says the company wants the deal taken care of this week.
UPDATE 6:41 PM -- And we're back on the record.
UPDATE 6:34 PM -- The judge has ordered a short recess in the hopes all sides can reach an agreement on the AEG deal today. UPDATE 6:32 PM -- The lawyer representing Jackson's kids isn't sure the AEG deal is the best deal out there.
UPDATE 6:24 PM -- One of the lawyers for the special administrators is worried that if the AEG deal isn't approved soon, AEG will pull it off the table.
UPDATE 6:15 PM -- All parties involved continue to express the time constraint they are under -- everyone wants the deals done ASAP.
UPDATE 6:10 PM -- The attorney for the kids just said she is not objecting the AEG deal.
UPDATE 6:05 PM -- An attorney for Katherine just suggested the lawyers for estate have pulled the guardian ad litem towards their side.
UPDATE 5:58 PM -- The deal with Bravado, to produce various different kinds of Jackson memorabilia, has been approved. This deal will generate millions of dollars for the Jackson estate.
UPDATE 5:50 PM -- Howard Weitzman, the attorney for the special administrators, has stated that one of the beneficiaries approves the AEG deal (to put on a Jackson memorabilia tour), but one is against it. We've been hearing Katherine is not happy about the arrangement, so she is probably the one who has objected.
UPDATE 5:35 PM -- The judge has set a tentative date (September 9) to hear Katherine's safe harbor petition. What that means is that Katherine wants to file an objection to the special administrators, but doesn't want to do so if it would be considered protesting the will. Jackson's will contains a no-contest clause -- meaning anyone who challenges it loses their inheritance rights.
UPDATE 5:30 PM -- The judge said that if it weren't for Katherine Jackson's procedural posturing, both parties would not have to spend as much time in court.
UPDATE 5:13 PM -- The judge said he agrees with Lodise -- there needs to be a simpler process put in place so the special administrators of Jackson's estate don't have to go before the judge to do every single thing.
UPDATE 5:11 PM -- The judge wants to come up with a trial date for Katherine Jackson's objection to the permanent appointment of the special administrators.
UPDATE 5:10 PM -- Margaret Lodise, the guardian ad litem for Jackson's kids, has submitted a report to the court.
UPDATE 4:57 PM -- The lawyers are getting into place.
UPDATE 4:47 PM -- Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise, the woman who claims to be the bio mom of MJ's kids, is in the courtroom. Let the fun begin!
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Launch photos: http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/michael_jackson_2 (http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/michael_jackson_2)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/17/michael-j ... katherine/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/17/michael-jackson-merchandise-hearing-AEG-estate-katherine/)
Looking at the papers that allegedly were filed in court yesterday on behalf of Katherine Jackson and Conrad Murray we see something different:
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In the Complaint for Damages as well as in the Motion to Dismiss Katherine Jackson is named as the Guardian ad Litem for Prince, Paris and Blanket.
The same thing goes for Joe Jackson's Wrongful Death Suit:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/guardian_ad_litem3.jpg)
Legal questions:
So, who is the real Guardian ad Litem, and in case Katherine is not, it this reason enough to throw these cases out?
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Michael find this whole legal thing so boring, he's falling asleep. :lol:
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Michael find this whole legal thing so boring, he's falling asleep. :lol:
Or maybe he's just checking if we're falling asleep!!
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Another mistake :?:
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Another mistake :?:
If that's a mistake then it's a consistent one, because Katherine is listed as the kids' Guardian at Litem in all three legal papers...
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I am not a lawyer, in particular not in California ;) , but as far as I understand Guardian ad Litem might be appointed for a particular selected matter, in case the General Guardian does not feel sufficiently capable to represent the minor in that field. So maybe Katherine is a general guardian and Margaret Lodise has been selected for estate and financial matters only? :?
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Jackson Court Hearing -- Afternoon Session
8/10/2009 3:10 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
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Here's the blow-by-blow inside the Michael Jackson estate hearing. KEEP REFRESHING for the latest.
UPDATE: Court is adjourned for the day. They'll be back again on August 24.
UPDATE: The judge has sealed courtroom temporarily.
UPDATE: The lawyers just said Bravado has a number of buyers interested in merchandising Jackson memorabilia but if they don't get the green light quickly the buyers could lose interest within a week.
UPDATE: This is really important. The judge just appointed a guardian ad litem for the 3 Jackson kids. That means they will have independent representation in court proceedings. The notion -- that the interests of the kids may not completely square with the interests of Katherine Jackson or the estate. It's not unusual this happened, but it's significant.
UPDATE: An attorney from AEG has assured the judge none of the video material in question has to do with the children. UPDATE: Billie Jean just raised her hand like she wants to talk. This isn't Ms. Marcus' fifth period English class.
UPDATE: AEG is proposing a Michael Jackson memorabilia tour that would visit three cities.
UPDATE: The judge has taken the bench -- and Billie Jean is back with more documents.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/michael-j ... n-session/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/michael-jackson-court-hearing-afternoon-session/)
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I am not a lawyer, in particular not in California ;) , but as far as I understand Guardian ad Litem might be appointed for a particular selected matter, in case the General Guardian does not feel sufficiently capable to represent the minor in that field. So maybe Katherine is a general guardian and Margaret Lodise has been selected for estate and financial matters only? :?
Guardians ad litem are often appointed in divorce cases or in parenting time disputes to represent the interests of the minor children. Guardians ad litem are also used in other family matters involving grandparents obtaining custody or grandparenting time as well as protection orders where one parent is attempting to get an order against another party with a legal connection to the mother of the child. The kinds of people appointed as a guardian ad litem vary by state, ranging from volunteers to social workers to regular attorneys to others with the appropriate qualifications. The guardian ad litem's only job is to represent the minor children's best interests.
A guardian ad litem is a unique type of guardian in a relationship that has been created by a court order only for the duration of a legal action.
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When MJ was facing the trials in 2005, for the nature of it, i believe that the custody of his children were also questioned.
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Well if these legal documents say Katherine is the guardian ad litem, is what really should be.
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And who is Margaret Lodise? :?
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And who is Margaret Lodise? :?
She is a lawyer and Judge Mitchell Beckloff has named her as the Guardian ad Litem for Prince, Paris and Blanket...
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I think Guardian as Litem can work a couple of different ways. It can be for individual cases but that would be absolutely dumb in the case of the Jackson kids. For instance, my son had one for his court proceedings which involved his accident (this is where, I came to get a lot of my knowledge of the law, the thing lasted years and I went to work for a bunch of these lawyers). For my son, he needed someone to protect his interests regarding how much money he should receive etc, making sure that it all seemed appropriate.
For the Jackson kids, there really should be a Guardian ad Litem appointed to cover all of their interests, not just one for certain cases and that absolutely should NOT be a family member. It is not because Katherine is not trustworthy, it is because she is human and has emotion attached to the children. There can be mistakes made when family handles this stuff.
Mo, without even reading these documents I know the answer to your question, because coincidentally this just came up with my son. Not only can they throw these cases out but if a court proceeding commences and it is found out some years later that a child is improperly represented in court the case can be reopened.
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I think Guardian as Litem can work a couple of different ways. It can be for individual cases but that would be absolutely dumb in the case of the Jackson kids. For instance, my son had one for his court proceedings which involved his accident (this is where, I came to get a lot of my knowledge of the law, the thing lasted years and I went to work for a bunch of these lawyers). For my son, he needed someone to protect his interests regarding how much money he should receive etc, making sure that it all seemed appropriate.
For the Jackson kids, there really should be a Guardian ad Litem appointed to cover all of their interests, not just one for certain cases and that absolutely should NOT be a family member. It is not because Katherine is not trustworthy, it is because she is human and has emotion attached to the children. There can be mistakes made when family handles this stuff.
Mo, without even reading these documents I know the answer to your question, because coincidentally this just came up with my son. Not only can they throw these cases out but if a court proceeding commences and it is found out some years later that a child is improperly represented in court the case can be reopened.
Thank you!
Now, I tend to believe that:
- They're including "errors" in these legal documents to see if if the public is just swallowing it or someone picks up on the errors;
- They're building in 'safety measures' in case things turn out the wrong way in order to be able to have decisions revoked.
Thoughts please?[/b]
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I think Guardian as Litem can work a couple of different ways. It can be for individual cases but that would be absolutely dumb in the case of the Jackson kids. For instance, my son had one for his court proceedings which involved his accident (this is where, I came to get a lot of my knowledge of the law, the thing lasted years and I went to work for a bunch of these lawyers). For my son, he needed someone to protect his interests regarding how much money he should receive etc, making sure that it all seemed appropriate.
For the Jackson kids, there really should be a Guardian ad Litem appointed to cover all of their interests, not just one for certain cases and that absolutely should NOT be a family member. It is not because Katherine is not trustworthy, it is because she is human and has emotion attached to the children. There can be mistakes made when family handles this stuff.
Mo, without even reading these documents I know the answer to your question, because coincidentally this just came up with my son. Not only can they throw these cases out but if a court proceeding commences and it is found out some years later that a child is improperly represented in court the case can be reopened.
Thank you!
Now, I tend to believe that:
- They're including "errors" in these legal documents to see if if the public is just swallowing it or someone picks up on the errors;
- They're building in 'safety measures' in case things turn out the wrong way in order to be able to have decisions revoked.
Thoughts please?[/b]
If there is any validity to the argument that the "mistake" is intentional I would say that the answer would be (b), because this would not only allow Guardians to reopen cases, but also allow the children. The children, if finding out that something was wrong, even after the age of 18, could reopen a case. The test for that, is "When did the guarded child receive notice that the representation was delivered wrong?". For example, my son will be 21, but just in the last 2 months discovered that he was misrepresented on some things. He will be allowed some time to revisit his case, based on that.
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They can be both options, the majority of the people "swallows" everything what it sees for television or what he reads in the tabloids, many people read the holder of the news and not the text.
And the second option, the mistakes are constant in several documents with some purpose.
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It is highly unusual that Katherine Jackson would be appointed as a Guardian Ad Litem anyway. Guardians, parents, or those with vested interests in the child are not appointed to this position. A Guardian Ad Litem is usually a Lawyer, but sometimes a medical professional or some other specially trained professional such as a social worker (depends on the state) but they are not related to the child.
What is a Guardian Ad Litem?
A guardian ad litem is appointed by a court in order to represent the best interests of the child...the court can appoint a guardian ad litem for the child. While some states require that a guardian ad litem be an attorney, other states’ courts will appoint guardian ad litems who are not attorneys, but who have specialized training.
http://resources.lawinfo.com/en/Articles/Child-Custody-Lawyers/Federal/what-is-a-guardian-ad-litem.html
How The Guardian ad Litem Is Chosen
The court usually decides whether a Guardian ad Litem would be beneficial in a particular case. However, the court does not always choose the Guardian and sometimes may not have any say as to who the Guardian will be.
The Guardian ad Litem
A Guardian ad Litem is the child's attorney, and in some states, such as New York, the Guardian is called the Attorney for the Child. In New York, the child is the client and the Attorney for the Child must obviously be an attorney. In other states, such as Maine, the child is represented by the Guardian ad Litem but the court, not the child, is the client and the Guardian owes its allegiance to the court first. Likewise, in some states like Maine, the Guardian does not have to be an attorney but can be a social worker.
Clerk's Selection From the Roster
In some states, the Guardian is chosen randomly from the list of Guardians. Sometimes this is done alphabetically by the clerks or court secretaries. Other times the Guardian is chosen if it is his turn. Either way, the clerks or secretaries choose the Guardian from the roster. The court has no say unless someone makes a motion for another Guardian ad Litem, such as where there is a conflict of interest. The luck of the draw decides who the Guardian will be in any particular case.
Attorneys' Selection
Other states use subjective methods of selecting Guardians ad Litem and allow the attorneys to hand-pick the Guardian. Some people view this as inherently unfair because the attorneys are going to choose a Guardian whom they believe is favorable to their case. Some courts will allow attorneys to pick several names and then the court decides who the Guardian is if the attorneys cannot agree. Another problem with this method, which is still in use in some states, is that some excellent Guardians are not chosen because either they are not known to the attorneys or because they will protect the child at all costs, which is not necessarily what the mother or father wants when they are concerned about winning their case.
The Court's Selection
Still another method of selection is by the judge. She may know which Guardian will be a good fit for a particular case and may make the appointment based on that knowledge.
http://www.divorcenet.com/resources/divorce/divorce-children/how-the-guardian-ad-litem-is-chosen
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I think there has to be more fake than real in this hoax or it would be hard to control. Could a real judge be given the opportunity to block whatever is planned for the future? Can the hoax work if they have to dodge real legal bullets?
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Looking at the papers that allegedly were filed in court yesterday on behalf of Katherine Jackson and Conrad Murray we see something different:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/guardian_ad_litem1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/guardian_ad_litem2.jpg)
In the Complaint for Damages as well as in the Motion to Dismiss Katherine Jackson is named as the Guardian ad Litem for Prince, Paris and Blanket.
The same thing goes for Joe Jackson's Wrongful Death Suit:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/guardian_ad_litem3.jpg)
Legal questions:
So, who is the real Guardian ad Litem, and in case Katherine is not, it this reason enough to throw these cases out?
mikael joseph?? :shock: again joseph??
*LUNA*
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Well if these legal documents say Katherine is the guardian ad litem, is what really should be.
Katherine cannot be guardian ad litem. She is not trained as one, nor was she appointed by the judge.
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According to a comment to an article on SAWFNEWS about Michael and asking for Blanket to get general anesthesia for oral surgery or treatment, the Guardian at Litem is Margaret G Lodise (and it gives all her contact info). I found it so very interesting that this info came out all of a sudden today (the poster's name is Jan7) Hm...another coincidence I am sure... 8-)
http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/66102.aspx (http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/66102.aspx)
Here is the comment in its entirety:
PR EXERCISE
By Jan7 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 (EST)
TMZ and others are today running a horrific story about Michael supposedly authorizing an illegal use of anesthesia on Blanket.
Sub-text of story? MJ so drug addled he did not protect his children. Long term sub-text: MJ is evil therefore the ending of life by Dr Murray does not merit legal sanction.
At the same time stories are now appearing promoting Dr Murray as an needed asset to his patients in Texas.
The Defense is clearly gearing up PR before the trial.
This is what needs to happen:
Margaret G. Lodise is Guardian At Litem for Michael's kids.
Please write to her at http://t.co/ZRAzrfi (http://t.co/ZRAzrfi) & inform her of TMZ's story.
She will be horrified by the story and may be able to kill it so it does not go beyond day one. If a huge influx of people contact her office, she will contact the estate and deal with the situation - legally.
Her phone details are also at that link provided above along with fax and email.
Please do NOT go to TMZ and leave angry comments. Traffic is what they want. Clicks increase their visit figures and send a
message to those who advertize on TMZ that TMZ is a hot site.
Direct your attention to contacting Margeret Lodise and the Estate if any of you have that contact.
Margaret's Lodise's contact details are as follows:
350 South Grand Ave Suite 3500 Los Angeles, California 90071-3475
Her direct line is: 213-617-2049
Her email is: You are not allowed to view links.
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