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Title: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: chrisgurl14 on October 18, 2010, 05:06:37 PM
 :D Lisa Marie Presley will FINALLY be on Oprah this Thursday (10/21/10) to talk about Michael! For more info go to:
 http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Mari ... el-Jackson (http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Marie-Presley-Speaks-Out-About-the-Death-of-Michael-Jackson)
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: LOVESoldier28 on October 18, 2010, 06:16:28 PM
I did numerology for the date of the Oprah show for the Lisa Marie Presley episode.

October (10)
Day       (21)
Year     (21)

Total   (52: 5+2=7)

I think MJ had a hand in the choosing of the new date for the episode.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: truthprevails on October 18, 2010, 07:09:38 PM
The year is not 21, but 10 (if you ignore the full number, which is 2010).
So you'd have 10 + 21 + 10 = 41.  And that means... nothing!


Sorry, I don't believe in numerology - or at least not in the way that some people on this forum use it... It gets so crazy sometimes!
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: suspicious mind on October 18, 2010, 09:54:50 PM
interesting background in the pic.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: libra8 on October 18, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: "truthprevails"
The year is not 21, but 10 (if you ignore the full number, which is 2010).
So you'd have 10 + 21 + 10 = 41.  And that means... nothing!


Sorry, I don't believe in numerology - or at least not in the way that some people on this forum use it... It gets so crazy sometimes!
When using numerology the correct way to add the numbers is:
10/21/2010 = 1+0+2+1+2+0+1+0 = 7
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Lonelynation on October 18, 2010, 11:11:47 PM
I just find it interesting that Lisa is doing an interview on Michael this week..and in a couple weeks Joe and Katherine will be.. what's up with the timing? Why all at once?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: heisinme09 on October 19, 2010, 01:09:09 AM
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
I just find it interesting that Lisa is doing an interview on Michael this week..and in a couple weeks Joe and Katherine will be.. what's up with the timing? Why all at once?

My thoughts EXACTLY!!

It sounds like in the very near future, we are going to see three Oprah interviews about Michael: 1)LMP, 2)Joe & Katherine and 3)The Kids! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHERE IS IT LEADING? Is Oprah setting the stage for Michael's Vindication? Is it possible that she has seen the light and the errors of her ways?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: bec on October 19, 2010, 01:26:16 AM
Quote from: "truthprevails"
The year is not 21, but 10 (if you ignore the full number, which is 2010).
So you'd have 10 + 21 + 10 = 41.  And that means... nothing!


Sorry, I don't believe in numerology - or at least not in the way that some people on this forum use it... It gets so crazy sometimes!

Well if you do it wrong of course it doesn't work.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: chloead505 on October 19, 2010, 01:44:03 AM
Quote from: "heisinme09"
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
I just find it interesting that Lisa is doing an interview on Michael this week..and in a couple weeks Joe and Katherine will be.. what's up with the timing? Why all at once?

My thoughts EXACTLY!!

It sounds like in the very near future, we are going to see three Oprah interviews about Michael: 1)LMP, 2)Joe & Katherine and 3)The Kids! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHERE IS IT LEADING? Is Oprah setting the stage for Michael's Vindication? Is it possible that she has seen the light and the errors of her ways?

A lot will be happening in Oct and Nov!! Interviews, new DVD...Halloween?  :lol: This will be interesting!
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Lonelynation on October 19, 2010, 01:45:55 AM
Quote from: "heisinme09"
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
I just find it interesting that Lisa is doing an interview on Michael this week..and in a couple weeks Joe and Katherine will be.. what's up with the timing? Why all at once?

My thoughts EXACTLY!!

It sounds like in the very near future, we are going to see three Oprah interviews about Michael: 1)LMP, 2)Joe & Katherine and 3)The Kids! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHERE IS IT LEADING? Is Oprah setting the stage for Michael's Vindication? Is it possible that she has seen the light and the errors of her ways?

I'm trying really hard not to get my hopes up. I guess I just don't understand ... like why now? Why not around the 1 year anniversary, or after it initially happened? And if this is really just to clear his name in some way, why would Oprah care? To me, she decided that Michael did touch those children, when of course that couldn't be further from the truth. And because of this, why in the world would the family or LMP want anything to do with her? I know LMP has said things in the past that weren't in favor of Michael.. but I think that maybe she realizes what she had. You know that saying you don't know what you have till it's gone? I truly believe that. I just want to know what is going to come out of all this. I want to watch but I'm scared of what might be said. I know I'll cry, and I don't want to. It'll make me feel like all hope is gone even though there is all this evidence. It's just heartbreaking to go through this all the time.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: mrbigshot on October 19, 2010, 09:36:37 AM
You have to understand that, when michael said he wanted to be "GOD-LIKE," I think he was referring to forgiveness as well. Maybe after this hoax is resolved, people will finally learn to realize that this man is incredible, thus michael will have the kindness in his heart to forgive! Remember, Jesus had many followers, but he also had those who betrayed him, yet he forgave them. I wouldnt be surprised if Michael Forgave Oprah. He's not a hypocrite, why have anger and contempt for those who have had that on you for so long? he wants hatred and anger to stop!
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: sandythyme on October 19, 2010, 09:43:33 AM
I keep trying to rap my brain around 10/25.  16months after Michael "died" 1 + 6 = 7, the 25th 2+5 = 7, Michael is 52 5+2 =7.  I know it's silly, I thought I would have a little fun with numbers today.  Also, as for the pending interviews with Lisa Marie and Michael's family.  To me it's just to strange.  In regards to Lisa Marie, why now?  With Michael's Mom and kids.  Why?  For the ratings or  could there be another reason?   I still keep thinking Michael is living at home with his Mom and his children.  Oh well will tell.   Take care, Love to all
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: loveratheart4mj on October 19, 2010, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: "mrbigshot"
You have to understand that, when michael said he wanted to be "GOD-LIKE," I think he was referring to forgiveness as well. Maybe after this hoax is resolved, people will finally learn to realize that this man is incredible, thus michael will have the kindness in his heart to forgive! Remember, Jesus had many followers, but he also had those who betrayed him, yet he forgave them. I wouldnt be surprised if Michael Forgave Oprah. He's not a hypocrite, why have anger and contempt for those who have had that on you for so long? he wants hatred and anger to stop!


If MJ has been planning this for years.....Oprah could be playing her part. No one knows for sure who all is involved in this. Honor amoung stars......zipped lips.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: MJonmind on October 19, 2010, 10:21:49 AM
Quote from: "loveratheart4mj"
Quote from: "mrbigshot"
You have to understand that, when michael said he wanted to be "GOD-LIKE," I think he was referring to forgiveness as well. Maybe after this hoax is resolved, people will finally learn to realize that this man is incredible, thus michael will have the kindness in his heart to forgive! Remember, Jesus had many followers, but he also had those who betrayed him, yet he forgave them. I wouldnt be surprised if Michael Forgave Oprah. He's not a hypocrite, why have anger and contempt for those who have had that on you for so long? he wants hatred and anger to stop!


If MJ has been planning this for years.....Oprah could be playing her part. No one knows for sure who all is involved in this. Honor amoung stars......zipped lips.
Yes, like that expression for car mirrors, "Objects are nearer than they appear."
I'm also thinking that often people have a lot of pride/ego, and they just can't bring themselves to apologize, but will do all manner of kind things instead to make things up. I know people like that. :lol:
I'm looking forward to the interviews.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: MeandMyShadow on October 19, 2010, 10:46:30 AM
I guess I'm not up on things.  Other than the timing of her show on molestation during the trials, what else has Oprah said or done to MJ?  I agree, the timing of her show during those times was bad and more than likely, not just a coinsidence, but is there more that she has done that I don't know about?  :?   I am not making light of the show timing, but just want to know if she's said things in the past or what else.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: alovesmichael on October 19, 2010, 11:09:19 AM
You know, I'm quite excited about what Lmp will have to say but I hope she has matured and reflected on her past comments and actions. However, why oh why does she have to do it on Oprah's show?! That b*tch, pardon my language, does not even deserve to mention Michael's name. Why can't she just talk about her weight problem  :roll:  in a normal order or something? I will definitely cry my eyes out...

Can I watch it live on the web?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: truthprevails on October 19, 2010, 11:28:01 AM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
I guess I'm not up on things.  Other than the timing of her show on molestation during the trials, what else has Oprah said or done to MJ?  I agree, the timing of her show during those times was bad and more than likely, not just a coinsidence, but is there more that she has done that I don't know about?  :?   I am not making light of the show timing, but just want to know if she's said things in the past or what else.

The comments on the website actually discuss some of the things that Oprah did to MJ in the past:
http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Mari ... el-Jackson (http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Marie-Presley-Speaks-Out-About-the-Death-of-Michael-Jackson)
Mrs. O was certainly on the HATE BANDWAGON...
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Love4Michael on October 19, 2010, 11:35:07 AM
Like many, I'm skeptical of the motives behind this interview. However, I took the time to go to the site and read the comments of others.  I came across this beautiful testimonial by someone named SwiftHearts and had to share it here.  Unless you're a cold-hearted individual you are going to need tissues handy. ♥

Posted: Mon 10/18/2010 4:00 PM
 
SwiftHearts : I recently heard of this interview airing and decided to get more information about it on Oprah's website. This is when I stumbled across this discussion and decided to share my story. I was diagnosed with a rare form of child bone cancer in 2000 at the age of fifteen. I was to start chemo therapy in August of that year. Not many people know this but Michael opened up Neverland several times each year for anyone to come and enjoy the park. Everything was free. Rides, games, food. A friend of mine who was a regular at Neverland called me one night and told me the park was going to be open for two weeks at the beginning of August that year. I asked my parents if they would take me the week before I was scheduled to start chemo. My doctors all advised against saying they feared I was too weak but I eventually talked my parents in to it. We had to drive what seemed like several miles after we went through the front gates of Neverland to get to where the actual park was with the rides. As we were driving down the winding road something came over me that I can't explain to this day. It was almost a feeling of peace.


When my family and I stepped out of the car we weren't sure if we should check in with someone or really what to do. A man finally walked over to us and introduced himself and then explained to my parents how everything worked. We signed in with our names and other information and were given matching wrist bands and told we could ride anything we wanted, eat anything we wanted, play any of the games, etc. The man mentioned that on occasion Michael would come outside and say hello to everyone there. My parents thanked the man and within minutes I was at the top of the ferris wheel with my Dad. We rode it three times in a row and then it was on to the swings. We rode the rides for hours before getting in line to get some cotton candy and popcorn. As we sat down at a table with our snacks we noticed a crowd of children running all in one direction. I stood up on the seat of the table we were at but couldn't see anything. Several minutes later the crowd began moving towards us and it was then that I saw Michael. Standing under a huge umbrella and laughing as children were pulling at his arms, legs, and hugging him.

My Mom then grabbed my hand and we made our way over to him. We introduced ourselves and my Mom told him what a wonderful time we were having. She then told him about my cancer and that I would be starting chemo the next week. When she said that Michael put one hand on my head and said, "God Bless you." When he touched me I felt the same feeling of peace and comfort that I did as I had when we drove through the gates of Neverland. He stood there and talked to us for a couple more minutes and then he left. I continued riding rides with my family and the other children but I couldn't stop thinking about meeting him. As we were leaving that night the man who we spoke to when we arrived stopped my dad and handed him a note. The note was from Michael and it was inviting the three of us to have dinner with him. Without hesitation my Dad accepted the invitation and the man then directed us to through another gate which led to the main house. I was surprised once we were in front of the house. I expected it to be this huge mansion but it wasn't. It wasn't small but it certainly wasn't huge. Several people who worked for him greeted us when we pulled up outside. We had dinner with Michael and his children that night and to this day it was the best night of my life. After dinner he asked my parents if it would be ok if he prayed with us and of course they said yes. I had never and still to this day have never heard anyone pray the way he did. At fifteen years old it made me cry.

After he finished praying I opened my eyes and looked to each of my parents who were in tears as well. Michael was gracious enough to give us a tour of some of the things were weren't able to see earlier in the day. He showed us the arcade and the movie theater. The movie theater at Neverland was not your typical theater. Not only were there seats like a real theater, there were also beds for the children who were too sick to sit up. After showing us around we said goodbye to Michael and thanked him for everything. Imagine my Mother's surprise when she received a call from him several days later! We assumed he had obtained our number from the sign in sheet that we filled out upon arriving at Neverland. He asked her how I was doing and she told him I would begin chemo on Monday. He then gave her a number in which to reach him directly and asked her to please call him and let him know how I was doing around the middle of the week. She agreed. I went that Monday morning to the hospital prepared to begin chemo. When the doctor walked in the room he asked both of my parents to sit down. The three of us feared he was going to say the cancer had spread. They had run blood work and some more scans on me two days prior which is typical prior to beginning treatment.

When the doctor began to speak he looked at my parents and said, "I don't know how to tell you this. I don't know how to explain this but Danielle no longer has cancer. There are no signs of it on any of the scans we just took." My Mom, my Dad, and I sat there and just stared at him and finally my Mom burst in to tears. We left the hospital and the first thing my Mom did when we got home was call Michael. I was embarrassed because she was crying on the phone but then she handed the phone to me to speak to him and it was obvious he had been crying as well. Through the years Michael remained in touch with my family and would call us several times a year on the phone to say hello. He would sometimes send us gifts and cards. I have been cancer free for ten years now. I can't explain what happened when I went to Neverland. It's defies explanation. I want people to know that I am not the only one who visited Neverland very sick only to become well after my visit. There are hundreds, if not thousands of us. Our stories were never made public because Michael didn't want that. He was a wonderful man. I have never met anyone who cared so deeply about not just children but people in general.

How could the world not love this man?  It absolutely breaks my heart.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: libra8 on October 19, 2010, 11:44:52 AM
I think part of the reason for the hoax, was that he had to die, to clear his good name.

Remember what Kenny O said in TII?? something like, piece by piece MJ will be revealed & he'll jump out.

Recently we see his name uncovered on the school, yesterday I read that MTV to reinstate Michael Jackson's name to the Video Vanguard Award and now the Oprah interviews of the family & lisa Marie. I see this as an extension/ part of the process to clear his name. Why did he choose Oprah?? becuz Oprah is a conduit to the homes & mainstream America...the average person listens to Oprah... ALLOT of people listen to Oprahs opinions, advice etc.

My hope is that what Oprahs doing in these interviews is clearing his good name..& hopefully she'll offer a much deserved apology to him & his family.

Before I draw any conclusion, I'll wait & see what manifests with the upcoming interviews...remember what KO said,  "piece by piece".
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Lonelynation on October 19, 2010, 11:46:16 AM
^ Wow I'm bawling now. I didn't expect that. I'm going to be a mess when I head to work. He is such a beautiful human being. How could the world crucify him like they did. He gave us everything he had, and people just couldn't accept it. He is so innocent and pure - the world wasn't ready for a soul like his
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: shelby61 on October 19, 2010, 12:22:53 PM
What a wonderful story and yes it did bring tears to my eyes (am at work on break and saw this so wasn't bawling but felt like it)...omg what a wonderful human being ... why do people have to hurt such a lovely soul and human.  He deserves every positive recognition and to hell with the negative people and press.  Let them drown in their own misery as MJ's army continues to "trample" on and expose the good in MJ while exposing the bad too.... thank you for sharing such a wonderful story.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: mdc on October 19, 2010, 12:37:51 PM
Why does this have to be scheduled to air the same week she has two shows on child molestation? Even if the LMP is any where near positive about Michael in her interview, the public will already have the molestation charges in their minds from the previous days shows. I'm not sure about Ms. Oprah's intentions, but they don't look good to me. JMO  I hope she proves me wrong.

One of the interviews on molestation is with Tyler Perry. If this interview with LMP gives a bad impression of MJ, I wonder how Tyler Perry will feel being used for the purpose of the further smearing of MJ's name, whether it is implied or not. I don't know him, but I don't think he would approve.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on October 19, 2010, 12:47:07 PM
8-)
A spade is a spade no matter how many years have gone by!

I have waited to comment on this crapola...
Because something wasn't right about all of this so I waited for O to expose her true self and gee tada whatta know:
Wolf in Sheep clothes.

Oprah has NOT changed her mind or attitude. I wouldn't blame Mike one bit if he set these interviews up with LMP, and his fam to do PAYBACK to O.
LMP is another opportunistic broad. The truth hurts sometimes.

For real O?  you have the show about a Boy who killed his molester the very same week your gonna run the interview with LMP?

Bull shit O...
Your a hypocrite and you will do anything for money.
[youtube:1bbskshk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyCc7XHC0Y[/youtube:1bbskshk]
Sorry people it is what it is.
I did enjoy reading the boy who had cancer story.

Does anyone else here know or have any additional info on O being in The Committee of 300 club?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... 300_11.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_committee300_11.htm)
Some good info on this subject but, it is so much I couldn't find names. I do remember reading O's name on this list.

She is definetly apart of the elite or aka NWO.
She is a sellout.
Don't fall for the Illusion she protrays.


http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Exclusive ... s-Molester (http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Exclusive-The-16-Year-Old-Boy-Who-Killed-His-Molester)

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Daniel-K ... tory-Video (http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Daniel-Kovarbasichs-Story-Video)

See Comment Below from this link: http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Mari ... el-Jackson (http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Marie-Presley-Speaks-Out-About-the-Death-of-Michael-Jackson)

Posted: Tue 10/19/2010 11:02 AM  
cookie006 : Oprah, please move this show to the following week. What are you trying to insinuate, lining up MJ after two consecutive shows on paedophiles like it's a series?


 8-)  8-)  8-)  8-)  8-)  8-)  8-)
Peace
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on October 19, 2010, 02:49:10 PM
8-) Here we go Shady Shit going on!

O has been discussed on this forum concerning joining the Bilderberg Group.
Funny the videos are now removed. That is how much Power she holds.
Sellout!



viewtopic.php?f=90&t=9970 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=9970)
Quote from: "Stranger In Chi-town"
Quote from: "White_Orchid"
Oprah and Bill Gates joined the Bilderberg club
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlcGtbDz ... _embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlcGtbDzy1w&feature=player_embedded#)!

Bill Gates supports Vaccinations to de-populate the planet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gvDkVc ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gvDkVcFkI&feature=related)

Obama supports euthanasia-see the end of this video when the Doctor runs out of meetig when he was confronted and challenged!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-0SHFE ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-0SHFEgGo&feature=related)

 :ugeek:

Um...what? They're a part of THAT group, now??? :shock:  :shock:  :cry:
First post with the links.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: backstager on October 19, 2010, 03:48:48 PM
I literally cried when I saw the commercial. I'm definitely watching. The commercial was interesting. Some mention of Elvis, and something about "not knowing what you have until its gone" [which is oh so true]. And as for the Tyler Perry thing-- I really don't understand why thats on right after/before/whatever the LMP episode.

OH! Just remembered, Tyler Perry is the director of Janet Jackson's 3 latest movies. How fun things turn out, when there are so many connections ;)
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: missdanipyt on October 19, 2010, 05:23:11 PM
Just saw this on facebook from Taj Jackson:
Guys, there really is no easy way for me to say this but I always want to tell you the truth. Good or Bad. After finally talking directly to my cousins, I found out they did in fact speak to Oprah. I don't know if they are or will be part of the upcoming interview or not.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: backstager on October 19, 2010, 05:28:12 PM
Quote from: "missdanipyt"
Just saw this on facebook from Taj Jackson:
Guys, there really is no easy way for me to say this but I always want to tell you the truth. Good or Bad. After finally talking directly to my cousins, I found out they did in fact speak to Oprah. I don't know if they are or will be part of the upcoming interview or not.

If the kids are going to be on Oprah, then I am definitely watching. More for the chance of slipups than anything... everytime they open their mouths-- The Grammy's come in mind more than anything-- besides, what could they possibly be talking about? It would be kind of RUDE for Oprah to ask the kids about their father's death... I mean that would not play out so well for the public. Especially MJ fans.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: missdanipyt on October 19, 2010, 05:47:04 PM
Everything about this situation has to have something to do with the hoax. Otherwise it's just wrong.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: sprint911 on October 19, 2010, 07:12:27 PM
Preview

[youtube:3hp8i774]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7FnKVukUFE&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3hp8i774]
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: mrbigshot on October 19, 2010, 07:29:00 PM
Those questions are extremely intrusive! It seems like Lisa feels michaels pain now. I think she realized what michael went through after she got asked all these questions, you can kind of sense a bit of guilt.

but a few things pop out to me:

shes interviewing presely in ENGLAND.

She seems like shes acting.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: missdanipyt on October 19, 2010, 07:43:33 PM
"Did he have to die for you to recognize that he loved you."

...Wowww...... :shock:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: sprint911 on October 19, 2010, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: "mrbigshot"
Those questions are extremely intrusive! It seems like Lisa feels michaels pain now. I think she realized what michael went through after she got asked all these questions, you can kind of sense a bit of guilt.

but a few things pop out to me:

shes interviewing presely in ENGLAND.

She seems like shes acting.
we have to wait and see, but i agree with you. her gasping made me laughed though :lol:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: sprint911 on October 19, 2010, 07:46:49 PM
Quote from: "missdanipyt"
"Did he have to die for you to recognize that he loved you."

...Wowww...... :shock:
:lol: that question made me cringe, because i hope it isn't true
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Lonelynation on October 19, 2010, 09:40:46 PM
"Did he have to die for you to recognize that he loved you."

Wow, I think that is such an inappropriate question. That really stuck out to me.
Tsk tsk Oprah.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: reasonables+luvs+MJ on October 19, 2010, 09:49:40 PM
Honestly, I am NOT a fan of Oprah at all (I don't understand why people like her), but if I can remember, I MIGHT watch the stupid show. ... Someone better say something about this hoax!!!

reason
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: thepeacock2012 on October 19, 2010, 09:53:50 PM
HOLY FRIGGIN CRAP....SUNFLOWERS!! WHT THE HELL...COMEON....yeah I agree if this isn't part of the hoax then something is disqustingly wrong...but it is !!!(part of the hoax)...this is going to be wild
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: sprint911 on October 19, 2010, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: "thepeacock2012"
HOLY FRIGGIN CRAP....SUNFLOWERS!! WHT THE HELL...COMEON....yeah I agree if this isn't part of the hoax then something is disqustingly wrong...but it is !!!(part of the hoax)...this is going to be wild

thanks for pointing it out :shock:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: 2 Bad on October 20, 2010, 12:12:43 AM
Amazing, the story about the child and the visit to Neverland!
Thank you for pointing that out. I started reading the comments but the negativity pours out and it poisonous. So thank you for posting the comment, keeps the rest of it off of me.  :D  

I'll watch the preview. The timing of all of this makes you wonder.... Michael does need somebody like Oprah to do right by him. I am not going to voice my opinion till I watch. Innocent until proven guilty. Yes I know of the past, I have watched them on TV when they aired....maybe Oprah had a dose of Neverland's magic and will do good? Maybe not $$$$$$$
I swore off Oprah many years ago so watching her just for the few shows will be tough.
Stay positive!

It's all for LOVE!
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: MJonmind on October 20, 2010, 02:51:07 AM
Sunflowers! That made my day! This IS going to be good. Michael has everything linked by clues, if we've been paying attention since the beginning. This will also help put the possible interviews with Mr. & Mrs. Jackson and MJ's kids into more comfortable position.

An odd thing happened to me. I shared this dream I had about 3-4 days ago, on the Dreams thread (not even thinking about the O interview), but I'll share it here again. I dreamt my daughter, Lisa Marie Presley and I went out to a restaurant to eat. Lisa was very cheerful and silly. She had 2 pairs of glasses and 1 pair of sunglasses, and she kept trying them each on, and then put all 3 on at the same time. Then I woke up. Seems to me that Lisa has to look through different lenses for this situation. One as his old lover and maybe in love still, second through the eyes of the hoax and the link to her father, and third on top of it all she has to keep her own integrity and cool, as in sunglasses, since she is now married to another man and she doesn't want Oprah to pry and push her around. I personally think they still love each other, from a distance, and who knows what the future may hold.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: 2 Bad on October 20, 2010, 03:48:35 AM
Interesting dream! I like your feelings about it too.
Very positive and I certainly do agree that LMP has to be looking and playing 3 parts.
In the preview she looked pissed at times. LOL! Well perhaps if Oprah pushes her she'll push back hard enough for Oprah to land on her rump <ggg> :lol:

We've Had Enough!

Well fingers crossed all goes well.  I trust so few people in Michael's life, his family is a different matter, that's blood.
With all the conflicting stories it's hard to make a decision on anybody, there are too many lies!
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: mulherluxo on October 20, 2010, 07:45:22 AM
And note that when start recording, there is a vase of sunflowers on top of the table, and another behind Lisa.
:lol:  :lol:

Count with me:
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1778/23230568.jpg)

(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1910/12903902.jpg)

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1949/65659941.jpg)

I love sunflowers!!!!!
LOLLLLLLLLLL

  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: suspicious mind on October 20, 2010, 08:30:09 AM
two points:  a. did he have to die for you to realize that he loved you?
could this not also be asked of the fans?
b. what the heck is going on with lisa and the eye makeup? does it not seem to anyone else that it has gotten progressively stranger everytime we see her( or is it just me :? )
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: suspicious mind on October 20, 2010, 08:43:13 AM
Quote from: "Love4Michael"
Like many, I'm skeptical of the motives behind this interview. However, I took the time to go to the site and read the comments of others.  I came across this beautiful testimonial by someone named SwiftHearts and had to share it here.  Unless you're a cold-hearted individual you are going to need tissues handy. ♥

Posted: Mon 10/18/2010 4:00 PM
 
SwiftHearts : I recently heard of this interview airing and decided to get more information about it on Oprah's website. This is when I stumbled across this discussion and decided to share my story. I was diagnosed with a rare form of child bone cancer in 2000 at the age of fifteen. I was to start chemo therapy in August of that year. Not many people know this but Michael opened up Neverland several times each year for anyone to come and enjoy the park. Everything was free. Rides, games, food. A friend of mine who was a regular at Neverland called me one night and told me the park was going to be open for two weeks at the beginning of August that year. I asked my parents if they would take me the week before I was scheduled to start chemo. My doctors all advised against saying they feared I was too weak but I eventually talked my parents in to it. We had to drive what seemed like several miles after we went through the front gates of Neverland to get to where the actual park was with the rides. As we were driving down the winding road something came over me that I can't explain to this day. It was almost a feeling of peace.


When my family and I stepped out of the car we weren't sure if we should check in with someone or really what to do. A man finally walked over to us and introduced himself and then explained to my parents how everything worked. We signed in with our names and other information and were given matching wrist bands and told we could ride anything we wanted, eat anything we wanted, play any of the games, etc. The man mentioned that on occasion Michael would come outside and say hello to everyone there. My parents thanked the man and within minutes I was at the top of the ferris wheel with my Dad. We rode it three times in a row and then it was on to the swings. We rode the rides for hours before getting in line to get some cotton candy and popcorn. As we sat down at a table with our snacks we noticed a crowd of children running all in one direction. I stood up on the seat of the table we were at but couldn't see anything. Several minutes later the crowd began moving towards us and it was then that I saw Michael. Standing under a huge umbrella and laughing as children were pulling at his arms, legs, and hugging him.

My Mom then grabbed my hand and we made our way over to him. We introduced ourselves and my Mom told him what a wonderful time we were having. She then told him about my cancer and that I would be starting chemo the next week. When she said that Michael put one hand on my head and said, "God Bless you." When he touched me I felt the same feeling of peace and comfort that I did as I had when we drove through the gates of Neverland. He stood there and talked to us for a couple more minutes and then he left. I continued riding rides with my family and the other children but I couldn't stop thinking about meeting him. As we were leaving that night the man who we spoke to when we arrived stopped my dad and handed him a note. The note was from Michael and it was inviting the three of us to have dinner with him. Without hesitation my Dad accepted the invitation and the man then directed us to through another gate which led to the main house. I was surprised once we were in front of the house. I expected it to be this huge mansion but it wasn't. It wasn't small but it certainly wasn't huge. Several people who worked for him greeted us when we pulled up outside. We had dinner with Michael and his children that night and to this day it was the best night of my life. After dinner he asked my parents if it would be ok if he prayed with us and of course they said yes. I had never and still to this day have never heard anyone pray the way he did. At fifteen years old it made me cry.

After he finished praying I opened my eyes and looked to each of my parents who were in tears as well. Michael was gracious enough to give us a tour of some of the things were weren't able to see earlier in the day. He showed us the arcade and the movie theater. The movie theater at Neverland was not your typical theater. Not only were there seats like a real theater, there were also beds for the children who were too sick to sit up. After showing us around we said goodbye to Michael and thanked him for everything. Imagine my Mother's surprise when she received a call from him several days later! We assumed he had obtained our number from the sign in sheet that we filled out upon arriving at Neverland. He asked her how I was doing and she told him I would begin chemo on Monday. He then gave her a number in which to reach him directly and asked her to please call him and let him know how I was doing around the middle of the week. She agreed. I went that Monday morning to the hospital prepared to begin chemo. When the doctor walked in the room he asked both of my parents to sit down. The three of us feared he was going to say the cancer had spread. They had run blood work and some more scans on me two days prior which is typical prior to beginning treatment.

When the doctor began to speak he looked at my parents and said, "I don't know how to tell you this. I don't know how to explain this but Danielle no longer has cancer. There are no signs of it on any of the scans we just took." My Mom, my Dad, and I sat there and just stared at him and finally my Mom burst in to tears. We left the hospital and the first thing my Mom did when we got home was call Michael. I was embarrassed because she was crying on the phone but then she handed the phone to me to speak to him and it was obvious he had been crying as well. Through the years Michael remained in touch with my family and would call us several times a year on the phone to say hello. He would sometimes send us gifts and cards. I have been cancer free for ten years now. I can't explain what happened when I went to Neverland. It's defies explanation. I want people to know that I am not the only one who visited Neverland very sick only to become well after my visit. There are hundreds, if not thousands of us. Our stories were never made public because Michael didn't want that. He was a wonderful man. I have never met anyone who cared so deeply about not just children but people in general.

How could the world not love this man?  It absolutely breaks my heart.


before anyone goes off half cocked on this please  try to understand that the ability to heal by the laying on of hands is not all that unusual. i am so tired of people who can believe in this from michael but they can not believe in it if the the person with this gift happens to be a dude with a funny accent and a bad combover (not saying that the paticular dude is beyond reproach).if you will read 1st. corintians chapter 12 and learn about the gifts you will understand more.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: lovemj4everandever on October 20, 2010, 11:45:04 AM
So LMP is wearing "purple" for the interview.

Prince's tour will start on a "purple day in December 2010."

Kenny Ortega just tweeted he is feeling "especially PURPLE today."    :?:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 20, 2010, 11:48:00 AM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
So LMP is wearing "purple" for the interview.

Prince's tour will start on a "purple day in December 2010."

Kenny Ortega just tweeted he is feeling "especially PURPLE today."    :?:

Also... Purple is the color of Thursdays. Tomorrow is a Thursday!  ;) Hmm...
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: sprint911 on October 20, 2010, 12:14:40 PM
"Purple rain purple rain"

Sorry, i couldn't contain myself :lol:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: sprint911 on October 20, 2010, 12:16:08 PM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
So LMP is wearing "purple" for the interview.

Prince's tour will start on a "purple day in December 2010."

Kenny Ortega just tweeted he is feeling "especially PURPLE today."    :?:
December 2010 is not a day, can you please post what day hes will start his tour?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: lovemj4everandever on October 20, 2010, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: "sprint911"
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
So LMP is wearing "purple" for the interview.

Prince's tour will start on a "purple day in December 2010."

Kenny Ortega just tweeted he is feeling "especially PURPLE today."    :?:
December 2010 is not a day, can you please post what day hes will start his tour?

That's just it....he said his tour will start "on a purple day in December in the year 2010."  That's all he said.  He gave no date.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 20, 2010, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
Quote from: "sprint911"
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
So LMP is wearing "purple" for the interview.

Prince's tour will start on a "purple day in December 2010."

Kenny Ortega just tweeted he is feeling "especially PURPLE today."    :?:
December 2010 is not a day, can you please post what day hes will start his tour?

That's just it....he said his tour will start "on a purple day in December in the year 2010."  That's all he said.  He gave no date.

I bet it will be a Thursday!  ;)  :lol:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: LOVESoldier28 on October 20, 2010, 12:21:26 PM
Purple is also the color of Royalty. Since Lisa happens to be the daughter of the King of Rock N Roll and was married to the King of Pop and maybe MJ's family line can be truly traced back to a royal linage so we have proof that maybe he truly is a royal. Purple (Amethyst) is also the color of spirituality.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: trublu on October 20, 2010, 12:40:34 PM
Wow this does look like a very hard hitting interview..

Oprah better be in on the hoax otherwise this is just really harsh! Regardless of what you think of LMP.

I just hope her interview tactics are are more sensitive with Michaels kids..(unless of course she knows about the hoax...hmm I'm not so sure about that but who knows).

Like already said, if she doesn't know about/believe in the hoax then asking the kids about their 'dead father' is harsh! What on earth could they even talk about??
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: suspicious mind on October 20, 2010, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
Quote from: "sprint911"
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
So LMP is wearing "purple" for the interview.

Prince's tour will start on a "purple day in December 2010."

Kenny Ortega just tweeted he is feeling "especially PURPLE today."    :?:
December 2010 is not a day, can you please post what day hes will start his tour?

That's just it....he said his tour will start "on a purple day in December in the year 2010."  That's all he said.  He gave no date.


thursday's in dec. 2010 are  2/9/16/23/30
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: suspicious mind on October 20, 2010, 01:38:59 PM
seems to me i heard recently of some kind of vote that is being put off until dec. 31 so that the results won't piss off voters in some direction. :?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: MissG on October 20, 2010, 02:13:26 PM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
So LMP is wearing "purple" for the interview.

Prince's tour will start on a "purple day in December 2010."

Kenny Ortega just tweeted he is feeling "especially PURPLE today."    :?:

 :lol:  i am wearing purple eyeshadow
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Lonelynation on October 20, 2010, 02:21:54 PM
Out of curiosity..
Would you guys inform us as to what happens in the interview.
I don't think I can watch it - it will be too hard. So for those who do, it'd be greatly appreciated if you can give us an idea if anything significant in regards to the hoax happens.

Pretty please <3
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 20, 2010, 04:28:06 PM
I am staying at work an hour over just to watch this show.  Don't want to be enroute home and miss a minute.  Though I despise Oprah Winfrey, I've got to hear what Lisa Marie says in response to these 2 questions; did you suspect Michael was addicted heavily to drugs, and did he have to die for you to realize that he loved you.  My heart is pounding.  I don't know how I will feel while watching it or after.  I just know that my mind, if not my heart, is telling me to tune in.  My first reaction was "how dare you".  My second, if you dare, it had better be point on.  I'll know tomorrow.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: heisinme09 on October 20, 2010, 05:02:44 PM
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
Out of curiosity..
Would you guys inform us as to what happens in the interview.
I don't think I can watch it - it will be too hard. So for those who do, it'd be greatly appreciated if you can give us an idea if anything significant in regards to the hoax happens.

Pretty please <3

I have no doubt whatsoever that this interview of LMP by Oprah will be heavily discussed and dissected on this Forum....have no fear!  ;)
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: alovesmichael on October 20, 2010, 05:24:31 PM
The preview made me cry already just imagine how it'll be like when I watch the enire interview (though I'm still not sure how I'll be able to watch it)... And that testimony that someone posted about the girl with cancer just made me cry my eyes out  :cry: . Such a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: anewfan on October 20, 2010, 05:39:29 PM
The info for tomorrow's show on my dvr says.....
 
"For the First Time: Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson",
In England, Lisa Marie Presley talks about how she has coped with the death of her former husband Michael Jackson, Presley also discusses her marriage to the King of Pop and why it ended, and finds parallels between him and her father, Elvis Presley.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 20, 2010, 05:42:32 PM
:?: Is she still married :?:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: curls on October 20, 2010, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
did he have to die for you to realize that he loved you?
could this not also be asked of the fans?

That's exactly what I thought! I always thought it was just one of his quirky ways when he used to always say 'I love you all' - can't tell you how it blew me away when I realised he really meant it! And yes, I'm ashamed to say, he did have to die for me to realise it.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: mjsgirl89 on October 20, 2010, 05:53:50 PM
I really don't think Oprah is in on the hoax, i mean i may be wrong, but she has said some pretty harsh things about MJ and never believed in his obvious innocence...SHE GETS ON MY NERVES!!!!!!

LMP on the other hand, i do believe is in the 'know' maybe not actively doing her part (at least not til now...i guess we'll see in the interview) i mean the sunflower Thank You note was in Michael's handwriting and he could have just as easily posted that blog...who knows really?!?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: sprint911 on October 20, 2010, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
:?: Is she still married :?:
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: yes
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 20, 2010, 06:05:14 PM
:lol: poor bloak!
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: thevoice on October 20, 2010, 06:14:06 PM
Well what a timing! the LMP interview and the painting auction to follow.

Just goes to show:
1. there's no such thing as an internet rumor out of nowhere (as we were made to believe the interiew didnt happen)

2. whatever MJ is behind this interview or not the painting auction will deflect from any nonsense LMP might say or reinforce the positivity. I still think LMP is just a wannabe non talented celebrity trying to fit in...

3. regarding OPrah, she is smart woman. I think MJ might not like her but she is a force in the world and has contributed to much good for black woman and black people and people in general all over the world. We have Obama thanks to Oprah...Janet is never shy to go there and talk whener she got something to sell. So Randy's outbusrt is so contrived ...ha!

Perhaps she has been harshed with MJ rightly so at times. If I was abused as a young person as she was, I don't know if I will ever be comfortable with anyone in MJ's position. innocent or not. There is a trauma and it is unfair for us to rubbish her. But we can also admit that she is perhaps opening a door to understanding MJ...

with love
xx
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: suspicious mind on October 20, 2010, 07:04:44 PM
Quote from: "anewfan"
The info for tomorrow's show on my dvr says.....
 
"For the First Time: Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson",
In England, Lisa Marie Presley talks about how she has coped with the death of her former husband Michael Jackson, Presley also discusses her marriage to the King of Pop and why it ended, and finds parallels between him and her father, Elvis Presley.

is there supposed to be an implication about drug addiction here? lisa was around blankets age in 1977. how much knowlegde could she have about that.?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: anewfan on October 20, 2010, 07:39:22 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "anewfan"
The info for tomorrow's show on my dvr says.....
 
"For the First Time: Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson",
In England, Lisa Marie Presley talks about how she has coped with the death of her former husband Michael Jackson, Presley also discusses her marriage to the King of Pop and why it ended, and finds parallels between him and her father, Elvis Presley.

is there supposed to be an implication about drug addiction here? lisa was around blankets age in 1977. how much knowlegde could she have about that.?


That's a good question....I'm not sure what she meant by it....I guess we will have to see what she has to say tomorrow. I have my dvr set and ready to go!
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Sinderella on October 20, 2010, 07:59:10 PM
Quote
 NO Coincidence on the same week of her LMP interview @Oprah is doing 3 shows on child molestation? She just added another one #FAIL

Comment from someone on twitter regarding this entire BS interview.Never knew that...but now I do,And I'm f&*king outraged.


Oprah.I have more respect for what is on the bottom of my high heel on a friday night than I do for you...
That is all.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: anewfan on October 20, 2010, 08:16:02 PM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote
 NO Coincidence on the same week of her LMP interview @Oprah is doing 3 shows on child molestation? She just added another one #FAIL

Comment from someone on twitter regarding this entire BS interview.Never knew that...but now I do,And I'm f&*king outraged.


Oprah.I have more respect for what is on the bottom of my high heel on a friday night than I do for you...
That is all.


No way!! That is so wrong!! Thanks for the heads up!! :shock:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: hope on October 20, 2010, 08:42:23 PM
Yes, she still believes he is guilty.
[youtube:hk7rljby]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWeDlG7hRx0[/youtube:hk7rljby]
Title: Lisa Marie Presley Opens Up About Michael Jackson Oct 21
Post by: sprint911 on October 20, 2010, 09:36:48 PM
LOS ANGELES, Calif. --
Lisa Marie Presley has given her first – and only — interview about the 2009 death of her former husband, Michael Jackson.

On Thursday’s “The Oprah Winfrey Show,” the world will know about the devastation Lisa Marie felt when the King of Pop succumbed to acute Propofol intoxication in June 2009.

“Do you think you could have saved him?” Oprah asked in a clip made available by the show on Wednesday.

“I think that was a train heading in a certain direction that no one could have stopped,” Lisa Marie said. “I’ve had to really get my head around that in order to stop the pain.

Oprah asked Lisa Marie a host of questions about losing Michael – including the parallel’s between Michael’s death and her father, Elvis Presley’s death. The TV queen also asked Lisa if she thinks family and friends let Michael down.

“If he didn’t want you around, if you were going to make him confront something he didn’t want to confront, he could make you go away — including his own family,” Lisa Marie said.


Lisa Marie and Michael Jackson were married for two years, from 1994 to 1996.


preview here: http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Mari ... el-Jackson (http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Marie-Presley-Speaks-Out-About-the-Death-of-Michael-Jackson)

access Hollywood: http://www.accesshollywood.com/lisa-mar ... icle_38608 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/lisa-marie-presley-on-michael-jacksons-death_article_38608)
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on October 20, 2010, 10:19:46 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Yes, she still believes he is guilty.
[youtube:2rigkhk9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWeDlG7hRx0[/youtube:2rigkhk9]

O said: "No I did not consider going to the memorial or funeral because I did not consider myself a friend of his. I was NOT a friend, I was someone who interviewed him"

Sadness? None of us will know the truth? HUH? Yes we do! He was and IS innocent.
Proven beyond a reasonable doubt, Not Guilty by a jury of his peers.

Well thanks for admiting that O.  8-)

That is the icing on the dirt cake!

What more proof do people need to see?

It is smoke and mirrors...
The "Oh I was so devasted by his death" from Lisa...
I thought she read our forum according to Eliza's post.
Tell O about the "hoax" for us Lisa, lol

That will cause her ratings to go up for sure!
Title: Re: Lisa Marie Presley Opens Up About Michael Jackson Oct 21
Post by: sprint911 on October 20, 2010, 10:27:28 PM
[youtube:18tlpg08]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrj86rXlwnY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:18tlpg08]
Title: Re: Lisa Marie Presley Opens Up About Michael Jackson Oct 21
Post by: 2good2btrue on October 20, 2010, 10:36:58 PM
Blah blah blah...heard it all before Lisa...but I love the sunflowers in the background. ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Lisa Marie Presley Opens Up About Michael Jackson Oct 21
Post by: RK on October 20, 2010, 11:58:24 PM
I like that ET has MJ and Elvis pictured together there. And they mention the comparisons between the two supposed "deaths". What would be great is if they actually exposed just how alike the whole MJ hoax death is to Elvis's own model. Now THAT would open up some sleepy heads to what's really been happening here.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: hope on October 21, 2010, 01:41:11 AM
I dont mean to disrespect Elvis because I admire him and his music. But....he was a walking pharmacy when he died, got what he wanted when he wanted it, spent money like crazy, ......pretty much the same shit Lisa and Oprah are accusing Michael of, and that is okay for Elvis and he is still admired and loved, but Michael is a drug addicted freak? Plus, Lisa was married to him for two years, of which most of those two years she said he was gone for 6 weeks ata time and she wouldnt know where he was. Her interview with Oprah after the divorce, she made it sound like being married to Michael was hell on earth. There was no warmth or love in her voice or emotions at all for him. Now what....16  yrs later, she gives an interview about their "misunderstood" marriage? Is she now going to be the grieving ex-wife that so desperately tried to save him, yet turned her back on him and walked away?  After her last interview with Oprah, talking about his sexuality, and putting him down, why would I believe her "caring" words now. And her interview with Diane Sawyer after the divorce was even more hurtful.  :evil:  :cry:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: MashMike on October 21, 2010, 01:41:33 AM
No way Oprah is in on it or is aware of the hoax, i don't really think so, she still thinks that Michael might be guilty for those allegations. About the interview with LMP and the Jacksons-i  will no way watch them on her channel, noo way, i dont wanna her ratings grow as they did in 1993 with the help of Michael, she doesn't deserve it :evil: , it's obvious that she did those 2 interviews not out of respect for Michael or his family,but  just to have the same phenomenal ratings as she did years ago with MJ, so i'll obviously watch them only  on youtube.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: hope on October 21, 2010, 01:47:28 AM
Quote from: "MashMike"
No way Oprah is in on it or is aware of the hoax, i don't really think so, she still thinks that Michael might be guilty for those allegations. About the interview with LMP and the Jacksons-i  will no way watch them on her channel, noo way, i dont wanna her ratings grow as they did in 1993 with the help of Michael, she doesn't deserve it :evil: , it's obvious that she did those 2 interviews not out of respect for Michael or his family,but  just to have the same phenomenal ratings as she did years ago with MJ, so i'll obviously watch them only  on youtube.
I totally agree. The only reason she is doing this is because her show is ending, and his "daeth" is the biggest story ever. What better way to bo out, and step on his face at the same time  :evil:  Lisa just wants to keep her name connected to his and play the devestated caring ex-wife  :evil:  I'd like to kick them both in the arse. :twisted:
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: MashMike on October 21, 2010, 01:58:37 AM
yep hope i agree with u, there is already a  facebook group with a lot of fans who are not going to watch both interviews on her channel ,later on we'll watch them on youtube or on other channel.(to me it's obvious  what Lisa is going to speak about, just blah blah blah-the old song. :roll: )
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: hope on October 21, 2010, 02:57:14 AM
Quote from: "MashMike"
yep hope i agree with u, there is already a  facebook group with a lot of fans who are not going to watch both interviews on her channel ,later on we'll watch them on youtube or on other channel.(to me it's obvious  what Lisa is going to speak about, just blah blah blah-the old song. :roll: )
Which group?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 21, 2010, 02:57:44 AM
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
Quote from: "heisinme09"
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
I just find it interesting that Lisa is doing an interview on Michael this week..and in a couple weeks Joe and Katherine will be.. what's up with the timing? Why all at once?

My thoughts EXACTLY!!

It sounds like in the very near future, we are going to see three Oprah interviews about Michael: 1)LMP, 2)Joe & Katherine and 3)The Kids! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHERE IS IT LEADING? Is Oprah setting the stage for Michael's Vindication? Is it possible that she has seen the light and the errors of her ways?

I'm trying really hard not to get my hopes up. I guess I just don't understand ... like why now? Why not around the 1 year anniversary, or after it initially happened? And if this is really just to clear his name in some way, why would Oprah care? To me, she decided that Michael did touch those children, when of course that couldn't be further from the truth. And because of this, why in the world would the family or LMP want anything to do with her? I know LMP has said things in the past that weren't in favor of Michael.. but I think that maybe she realizes what she had. You know that saying you don't know what you have till it's gone? I truly believe that. I just want to know what is going to come out of all this. I want to watch but I'm scared of what might be said. I know I'll cry, and I don't want to. It'll make me feel like all hope is gone even though there is all this evidence. It's just heartbreaking to go through this all the time.

Same here :(
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Sinderella on October 21, 2010, 04:06:21 AM
Quote from: "anewfan"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
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 NO Coincidence on the same week of her LMP interview @Oprah is doing 3 shows on child molestation? She just added another one #FAIL

Comment from someone on twitter regarding this entire BS interview.Never knew that...but now I do,And I'm f&*king outraged.


Oprah.I have more respect for what is on the bottom of my high heel on a friday night than I do for you...
That is all.


No way!! That is so wrong!! Thanks for the heads up!! :shock:


Yes way.It's disgusting.
The pair of them need to be hanged.
I wish I could say the Jacksons will step in and make it right and stand up for their son/brother/father/uncle....but we all know THAT ain't going to happen.

Oprah is a disgrace and LMP lives her life of other peoples fame.
As I said to someone last night,someone tell me what good she does humanity?
So what,she is Elvis's daughter...big effing deal.She should use her position and power from that name and do something that is for the greater good of the world instead of falling out of nightclubs,releasing another pointless album and dishing the dirt on her EX HUSBAND.
Stella McCartney has a famous dad too...she has her own fashion house,perfume,does work for animal charities like PETA and continues her mothers work.She made a name for herself,does worthwhile charity work and puts something back into the famous name she was born with.She doesn't just feed off the fact she is a McCartney.


I have uploaded a letter from the oprah site,it's in a new thread if anyone wants to read it.It is regarding Katherine being on Oprah...but it is relevant to this also.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: *Mo* on October 21, 2010, 04:30:51 AM
Quote from: "hope"
I dont mean to disrespect Elvis because I admire him and his music. But....he was a walking pharmacy when he died, got what he wanted when he wanted it, spent money like crazy

I'm amazed that you, an MJ hoax believer, have adopted this opinion about Elvis.  So, in other words - everything the media told you about Mike's drugs abuse and money spending habits is all bullshit, but when it comes to Elvis it's all true?  Hmmm... (http://star.walagata.com/w/blue-jay/SmiliesGifs/ScratchHead.gif)

Regarding the "when he died" part - I think you have some catching up to do:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... t_case.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/eliza_court_case.php)

Work your way up from the bottom.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: TheRunningGirl on October 21, 2010, 05:55:24 AM
This article from star-magazine may be giving a flavour of what will be discussed during the interview: Some strong words:

http://www.star-magazine.co.uk/breakingnews/view/24399/Presley-Maybe-I-could-have-saved-Jackson-/

"...charting a course to destruction..."
"I think that was a train headed in a certain direction that I don't know if anyone could have stopped and I've had to really get my head around that in order to stop the pain."

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Presley: 'Maybe I could have saved Jackson'
Posted: Thursday 21 October 2010

ISA MARIE PRESLEY is haunted by the death of her ex-husband MICHAEL JACKSON - because she believes she could have helped him turn his life around if she had known the King of Pop was so ill.
 
In her first in-depth interview since Jackson lost his life last summer (Jun09), Presley, who was married to the pop superstar from 1994 to 1996, tells Oprah Winfrey in a TV special to air on Thursday (21Oct10) she feels she could have done more for the Thriller singer in the final months of his life.
She says, "I know that it's naive to think that I could have (saved him) but I wanted to. Had I made a call, had I stopped being so shut off from him, had I just said, 'How are you?' I really regret that I didn't."
But Presley fears that even if she had reached out to help Jackson, he would have refused her aid - and she knew the superstar was charting a course to destruction while she was married to him.
She adds, "I think that was a train headed in a certain direction that I don't know if anyone could have stopped and I've had to really get my head around that in order to stop the pain."

With L.O.V.E
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 21, 2010, 06:17:17 AM
So what's she saying after all?
God forgive me but if we are wrong and Michael is really dead I blame them all for it....all....his family, his brothers, his parents....... :(
I'm so upset about those interviews like Lisa's .... so what she wants now?! What kind of a wife she was to Michael ? She wanted to change a genius according to her own ideas ?!
Like Michael needed HER changes  :evil:

If she loved him as much as she says she would have let him be himself and accepted him just the way he was and she would have never left him... for no reason
what a mess   :(
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: trublu on October 21, 2010, 06:22:04 AM
I'd just like to add, that just because/if Oprah isn't 'in' on the hoax' it doesn't mean she believes he's dead..

I mean look at us..none of us a are 'in' on it (as far as I know :?  :lol: ) and yet we still believe!
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: For All Time on October 21, 2010, 06:52:25 AM
With all the respect....I'm saying that i don't like Lisa, i don't like her because she made Michael suffer, she didn't respect him , she left............and she hurt him deeply.I don't know exactly what happened between them because i wasn't there but after their divorce she went to different TV shows and she said ugly things about Michael and i could see she was embarrassed that they were married.And know she's coming to talk about Michael ? Why ? After all this years what is her problem ? She wasn't there for him when he needed a friend, someone to talk too that horrible episode from 2005.I am so curious what she will say. but i think it was better that she wouldn't come now to say anything about MJ.She moved on with her life and now she comes to talk to Oprah ? This is crazy.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: mehere on October 21, 2010, 08:19:21 AM
Very interesting.  First Lisa Marie interview then Michael's parents.  
All so very well orchestrated.  Oprah knows....
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: nefari on October 21, 2010, 08:32:23 AM
I think LMP is kicking her own arse over and over for leaving and hurting Michael but she is unwilling to admit that for what ever reasons. I blame her for so many of his hurts and problems and maybe I am wrong for doing so as I do not know her personally but she should have loved him for better or worse and taken him the way he was and not tried to change this beautiful human being. If Michael is alive though, some little part of me thinks she may be in on the hoax because of the sunflower caper which seems to be on-going.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: suspicious mind on October 21, 2010, 08:53:40 AM
just a thought here.
anyone notice who isn't talking?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Sinderella on October 21, 2010, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
just a thought here.
anyone notice who isn't talking?
To Oprah or in this thread?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: suspicious mind on October 21, 2010, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
just a thought here.
anyone notice who isn't talking?
To Oprah or in this thread?
at all apparently

i mean debbie.

 i know some don't like her but to me it is just as intriguing that one she is so quiet and two that apparently no one has sought her out to talk with her. why?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Sinderella on October 21, 2010, 09:28:47 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
just a thought here.
anyone notice who isn't talking?
To Oprah or in this thread?
at all apparently

i mean debbie.

 i know some don't like her but to me it is just as intriguing that one she is so quiet and two that apparently no one has sought her out to talk with her. why?

VERY TRUE.
Everyone seems to forget she exists when she really has such a massive part in Michael's life,she is the mother of 2 of his children.So I am with you there,very strange indeed.Maybe we should seek her out and talk to her before Oprah gets her broom stick out again and swoops in....lol.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: suspicious mind on October 21, 2010, 10:20:25 AM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
just a thought here.
anyone notice who isn't talking?
To Oprah or in this thread?
at all apparently

i mean debbie.

 i know some don't like her but to me it is just as intriguing that one she is so quiet and two that apparently no one has sought her out to talk with her. why?

VERY TRUE.
Everyone seems to forget she exists when she really has such a massive part in Michael's life,she is the mother of 2 of his children.So I am with you there,very strange indeed.Maybe we should seek her out and talk to her before Oprah gets her broom stick out again and swoops in....lol.

course she does tend to push back when pushed maybe that is why they leave her out of it. ;)
Title: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 12:14:21 PM
From another forum

Quote
Another detailed write up from micaro:

the interveiw wasn't as bad as I thought. LIsa was honest for once. Some stuff I could have did without but here's a recap if can't wait till it comes on in your area.

She started out saying in past interviews she was defensive and barky when the subject of MJ came up because she was always promoting a project and the interview would turn to be about MJ or personal things. She felt like this would be better to do the interview before her record comes out

They spoke a bit about her husband and kids in the beginning and why she moved to England. She felt LA has gotten over the top in its superficiality.
Her and Oprah went hiking this summer, so they've spoken about MJ before this.

Oprah started saying the star-crossed love affair between LMP and MJ started in 1993 from friendship and grew to something more.
They had not spoken in more than a decade before he died..

She said she was barky during the last interview with Oprah about MJ because she didn't understand her relationship with him
Oprah said she understood her defensiveness but LMP came across to her and the rest of the world as confusion and publicity.

LMP said MJ was a master manipulator of the media in a lot of ways. He was brought up that way. She said before she starts answering questions about him you have to understand how he was raised which was different than anyone's except her father. He was conditioned to get himself where he needed to go for his talent. He became good at creating and puppetering. She said she always confused the manipulation as he didn't love her but she understands now it was a survival tactic for him.

She's gained all this clarity about MJ since his death.
She was in England when she first heard, she was crying all day and didn't' know why. She got the news from a friend, John Travolta text her was she alright? She was floored and shocked.

She can't explain how or why she gained all this clarity, that's why she waited so long.
She felt she failed to help him.
She didn't suspect a drug problem until Decemeber 95 when he collapsed. She said their were all these reports, low blood pressure, viral infection, dehydration, she couldn't get real answers. She felt there was drug use after various indications.
She said their were times she would pick him up from doctor's offices and he would not be coherent.
At the time she just thought it was the injections, that he would need. Oprah asks things for what. She said injections dermatological. Oprah asks for his skin, LMP says yes and for various things he needed.

Oprah asks did she feel she was kept in the dark. LMP says no, everything was spoken, If he needed to wake her up and talk he did.
Oprah asks did he have trouble speaking then, LMP says yes, he was like a gnome, She would call him a gnome. because he was always up and about. she says he did have a hard time sleeping.

Oprah asks did she feel she was a nuturer. She says yes and she loved it. When her and MJ were together and they had an understanding about the people and things going on around him, she never felt such a high in her life.

Oprah asks she told the producers her time with MJ was the highest and the lowest of her life. Oprah asks her about the lowest. LMP skirts it and says when she speaks about him now, its all good and she was all this love and understanding for him. LMP then proceeds to try to answer Oprah's questions but of course oprah interrupts and asks were you angry with him when you left the marriage.
Yes she was very angry. She felt they were so united then he pushed her out.
Oprah asks why did the marriage ends, she said there was point when he had to make a decision her or the people around him.

Oprah asks he seemed to be drawn to people like that. LMP says like her father MJ had the luxury of creating his own reality and when people disagreed with him, you were out. She felt disposable. MJ wasn't a bad person, that's just how he functioned.
When its this unusual reality mixed with an addiction, its trouble.

Oprah then asks about the similarities between MJ and Elvis, LMP doesn't understand it but she sees it.
The home MJ died, was right across the street from Elvis' former home.

Oprah asked about the blog. and why she entitled it he knew.
she said he told her he was afraid he would end up like her father during a conversation at neverland sitting by the fire.

Oprah asks why did she fall in love with him. LMP says because he was an incredible person. She never felt so high in her life. He had something so intoxicating about him and when he was open it wasn't like anything.
Oprah then says oh I felt that too when I first met in 92 when he shined his light on you.
LMP says she always wanted to be around him. He was a drug for her. she never felt like that with another human being except her father.

Oprah asked did she feel love by Michael in the beginning. She did. she knew he didn't really have many women in his life, a few dates
Oprah asked how did he propose-- they were in the library in front of the fire at neverland, MJ pulled out a 10 carat ring, got on his knees and propsed. Oprah asked did she feel it would last forever, she said yes.

Orpah said when they were together it was like a circus. She said it was but they were together mostly with no cameras and alot of that was because History was coming out.



Oprah asks does she feel manipulated- yes but she knew she had to do his thing but she understood as his wife, she needed to do certain things.
Oprah asked was there alot of pressure to have a baby- LMP says yes and she wanted to , but she wanted to make sure things were stable.
Oprah says several months after they divorced it was announced that Debbie Rowe was pregnant.
LMP says it was a bit retalitory act on his part
She knew DR was there the whole time telling him she would have his baby, because he told her if she didn't debbie would. They would get into an arguments about it. At the time she felt hurt, she did things that hurt him. She was torn because she left her husband for Michael. While with MJ she never felt good about it. Danny was about her her life and MJ didn't know what to do with it. He was upset about the Hawaii vacation. He would leave and she couldn't find him. She says when she did things that upset MJ or when MJ got uncomfortable he would icy you out.
But in retrospect, he tried very hard and went through so much with her. He never did that with any other female or anyone. They would argue for 3 days straight breaking to eat and sleep. She admires that he gave it a good shot. she didn't appreciate it then and she wishes she did.

Did he have to die for her to realize he loved her. Yes she says when they were together they were really in love, had rough patches, she had to make a decison to walk because she saw the doctors coming and it scared her so she left but they spent 4 more years after the divorced getting back together, breaking up, talking about getting back together then she pushed him away because she wasn't moving forward.
She still loved him after she left him, She left him to make a stand and it was a stupid move because basically MJ called her bluff. He's stubborn.
Afterwards she was still flying all over the world with him.

Last spoke in a good conversation in 2005- she was removed and detached. He could feel it. He wanted to tell her she was right about the people around him. He asked did she still love him, she told him she was indifferent, he did't like it , he cried, he didn't understand how she became so detached.
Final part of conversation, him telling her he felt someone was going to try to kill him to get ahold of his catalouge and estate, He named names but she doesn't want to say but he was concerned about his life.

OPrah asks about the allegations, LMP says she did not see anyting like that.
He called LMP about the trial. She told him to keep his head together. he said like what drugs. she said yeah. There was a time random things were coming out the BAshir interview, she saw him high as a kite,
Oprah asks about the sleeping with young children comment MJ made in the bashir interview. LMP says she feels MJ says those things at times to be defiant like a little rebel because he got so angry so he would say things he knew people didn't like.
Oprah goes back to the charges. LMP says no she doesn't like they were true but of course she can never know excatly what went on in the room but she doesn't think they are true.

Did she get closure at the funeral- no. She was the last one standing up with him, she went back in because she didn't want to leave him. cue picture of her standing over the casket. She couldn't make peace, she wanted to apologize. She wanted to save him, she regrets she didn't at least try to call him or something.
FAmily and friends tried to help him but if he didn't want you around making him confront things, you wouldn't be. That was a train headed in a certain direction and no one could stop it

Oprah asks about current husband. Husband happy when she'll be done with this interview. He understands and she doesn't like it but she's had to deal with all this. She thanks God for him because it's highly unusual to deal with.

She feels really alone that she's dealt with all this with her father and Michael but honored at the same time. June 25th is a day she dreads like August 16th.
She's not talking about it again.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 12:27:22 PM
Many many interesting things...calls Michael a "puppeteer" and points out the similarities between MJ and her dad... elvisandmj.com anyone?  ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: angelshadow on October 21, 2010, 12:34:53 PM
Question me why the ex-wife generally a need has to tell about the ex-husband....
I think would not have to be.... Privately it is private! This brings certainly also good money...... :?  :roll: I am furious a little bit and sad!  :?
First Oprah in Encino....
Lisa with Oprah .......
The rumor children MJ's to the interview....

(sorry 4 my bad english)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: lilwendy on October 21, 2010, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Many many interesting things...calls Michael a "puppeteer" and points out the similarities between MJ and her dad... elvisandmj.com anyone?  ;)

Exactly my thoughts....  ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Lonelynation on October 21, 2010, 12:45:43 PM
Reading that.. I don't really see much tied to the hoax. I'm disappointed obviously, but I think if we are to pick things out of it, it's because we're looking for something that isn't there. My opinion of course.
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Sinderella on October 21, 2010, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
just a thought here.
anyone notice who isn't talking?
To Oprah or in this thread?
at all apparently

i mean debbie.

 i know some don't like her but to me it is just as intriguing that one she is so quiet and two that apparently no one has sought her out to talk with her. why?

VERY TRUE.
Everyone seems to forget she exists when she really has such a massive part in Michael's life,she is the mother of 2 of his children.So I am with you there,very strange indeed.Maybe we should seek her out and talk to her before Oprah gets her broom stick out again and swoops in....lol.

course she does tend to push back when pushed maybe that is why they leave her out of it. ;)


I'd love to hear her opinions on all of this though,I can imagine they would be far more interesting than LMP.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: lovemj4everandever on October 21, 2010, 01:03:07 PM
She hadn't talked to him in a decade before his "death."

Contradiction:  He called her during the trial in 2005.  She told him to keep his head together.  

Yes, of course, he is the puppeteer!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
Reading that.. I don't really see much tied to the hoax. I'm disappointed obviously, but I think if we are to pick things out of it, it's because we're looking for something that isn't there. My opinion of course.

Just playing devil's advocate here. If this is a hoax, and if LMP knows it's a hoax, then what realistically would you expect her to say? Surely she can't be too obvious and give it away. Also, for me, her pointing out the similarities between MJ and Elvis multiple times (here, and many times before this interview) says a lot. Even if it's not a hoax or she is not "in on it", she MUST know about elvisandmj.com and therefore wouldn't keep bringing up how much Elvis and MJ have in common. It is my belief that Lisa Marie is saying as much as she is at liberty to say, Michael and Elvis are a lot alike... they both faked their deaths. But she cannot come out and say that.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: angelshadow on October 21, 2010, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
She hadn't talked to him in a decade before his "death."

Contradiction:  He called her during the trial in 2005.  She told him to keep his head together.  

Yes, of course, he is the puppeteer!

good Point lovemj4everandever ;)
Neither Lisa plays her part or she makes herself extremely important 8-)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 01:08:12 PM
well in the interview lisa said michael proposed to her beside a fire place in the Neverland Library, but  in 1995 with Diana Sawyer, she said he proposed to her on the phone :?:

Clue this be a clue??

And another thing when Oprah mention the casket, she chuckled a little bit, and it seems she was trying not to laugh :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Lonelynation on October 21, 2010, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: "sprint911"
well in the interview lisa said michael proposed to her beside a fire place in the Neverland Library, but  in 1995 with Diana Sawyer, she said he proposed to her on the phone :?:

Clue this be a clue??

And another thing when Oprah mention the casket, she chuckled a little bit, and it seems she was trying not to laugh :lol:

I noticed that too..maybe she was trying to put Michael in a brighter light?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: lovemj4everandever on October 21, 2010, 01:22:23 PM
And how is it REMOTELY POSSIBLE that a photo of LMP standing at the casket never surfaced until now during this interview?   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Guess Mike has been holding on to it all this time....

"You see things when I want you to see them" - MJ    :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Piece by piece by piece....
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Lonelynation on October 21, 2010, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
Reading that.. I don't really see much tied to the hoax. I'm disappointed obviously, but I think if we are to pick things out of it, it's because we're looking for something that isn't there. My opinion of course.

Just playing devil's advocate here. If this is a hoax, and if LMP knows it's a hoax, then what realistically would you expect her to say? Surely she can't be too obvious and give it away. Also, for me, her pointing out the similarities between MJ and Elvis multiple times (here, and many times before this interview) says a lot. Even if it's not a hoax or she is not "in on it", she MUST know about elvisandmj.com and therefore wouldn't keep bringing up how much Elvis and MJ have in common. It is my belief that Lisa Marie is saying as much as she is at liberty to say, Michael and Elvis are a lot alike... they both faked their deaths. But she cannot come out and say that.

I guess because I don't believe in Elvis faking his death, it seems a bit overboard. I have a hard time believing both these extremely famous people managed to fake their deaths. I'm not trying to cause controversy or anything, but that's just my honest opinion. I feel like the more I read posts on this site the more I feel like we are looking into things that aren't there. I absolutely believe Michael is alive, and I think a lot of people have written some brilliant things, but I just don't know anymore. I just want this to all be over with. You know?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: MissG on October 21, 2010, 01:34:48 PM
Has the interview been aired yet?
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Has the interview been aired yet?
yes it aired already, spoiler here

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14973 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14973)
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: MissG on October 21, 2010, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: "sprint911"
Quote from: "Gema"
Has the interview been aired yet?
yes it aired already, spoiler here

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14973 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14973)
Thanks hun.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 01:44:49 PM
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
Reading that.. I don't really see much tied to the hoax. I'm disappointed obviously, but I think if we are to pick things out of it, it's because we're looking for something that isn't there. My opinion of course.

Just playing devil's advocate here. If this is a hoax, and if LMP knows it's a hoax, then what realistically would you expect her to say? Surely she can't be too obvious and give it away. Also, for me, her pointing out the similarities between MJ and Elvis multiple times (here, and many times before this interview) says a lot. Even if it's not a hoax or she is not "in on it", she MUST know about elvisandmj.com and therefore wouldn't keep bringing up how much Elvis and MJ have in common. It is my belief that Lisa Marie is saying as much as she is at liberty to say, Michael and Elvis are a lot alike... they both faked their deaths. But she cannot come out and say that.

I guess because I don't believe in Elvis faking his death, it seems a bit overboard. I have a hard time believing both these extremely famous people managed to fake their deaths. I'm not trying to cause controversy or anything, but that's just my honest opinion. I feel like the more I read posts on this site the more I feel like we are looking into things that aren't there. I absolutely believe Michael is alive, and I think a lot of people have written some brilliant things, but I just don't know anymore. I just want this to all be over with. You know?

To each his own, I believe in that no matter what. But I do disagree 100% about Elvis. In fact, if only 1 of them faked their death I would say it's Elvis (although I believe they both did). The only reason I say this is because it is possible that Michael was murdered and it was made to look like a hoax (however very unlikely), while Elvis' death had millions of people puzzled, but it was then just swept under a rug without much investigation and people just accepted it as truth. And I think would be it would be easier for Elvis to pull off such a stunt than for MJ, because Elvis "died" at a time when the media wasn't quite as "in your face" as it is today. Also, you said you don't believe 2 famous people managed to fake their deaths.. but on the contrary, I would argue that ONLY famous people at their level would have the resources to pull it off. Plus, the Elvis similarities that Michael copied cannot be coincidence. Hopefully, the truth will prevail in Eliza's case and more people will be receptive of what really happened no matter how "overboard" it may seem, which I agree it does seem rather extreme at first, but the evidence speaks for itself.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on October 21, 2010, 01:51:00 PM
Quote from: "sprint911"
well in the interview lisa said michael proposed to her beside a fire place in the Neverland Library, but  in 1995 with Diana Sawyer, she said he proposed to her on the phone :?:

Clue this be a clue??

And another thing when Oprah mention the casket, she chuckled a little bit, and it seems she was trying not to laugh :lol:


wasnt something filmed in the Library at Neverland! wasnt it "Agent MJ"? could that be a clue??  :?  :shock:  or have I finally lost the plot?

Is there a picture anywhere of Lisa with MJ casket? I havent seen one yet?

 ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Lonelynation on October 21, 2010, 01:57:46 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
Reading that.. I don't really see much tied to the hoax. I'm disappointed obviously, but I think if we are to pick things out of it, it's because we're looking for something that isn't there. My opinion of course.

Just playing devil's advocate here. If this is a hoax, and if LMP knows it's a hoax, then what realistically would you expect her to say? Surely she can't be too obvious and give it away. Also, for me, her pointing out the similarities between MJ and Elvis multiple times (here, and many times before this interview) says a lot. Even if it's not a hoax or she is not "in on it", she MUST know about elvisandmj.com and therefore wouldn't keep bringing up how much Elvis and MJ have in common. It is my belief that Lisa Marie is saying as much as she is at liberty to say, Michael and Elvis are a lot alike... they both faked their deaths. But she cannot come out and say that.

I guess because I don't believe in Elvis faking his death, it seems a bit overboard. I have a hard time believing both these extremely famous people managed to fake their deaths. I'm not trying to cause controversy or anything, but that's just my honest opinion. I feel like the more I read posts on this site the more I feel like we are looking into things that aren't there. I absolutely believe Michael is alive, and I think a lot of people have written some brilliant things, but I just don't know anymore. I just want this to all be over with. You know?

To each his own, I believe in that no matter what. But I do disagree 100% about Elvis. In fact, if only 1 of them faked their death I would say it's Elvis (although I believe they both did). The only reason I say this is because it is possible that Michael was murdered and it was made to look like a hoax (however very unlikely), while Elvis' death had millions of people puzzled, but it was then just swept under a rug without much investigation and people just accepted it as truth. And I think would be it would be easier for Elvis to pull off such a stunt than for MJ, because Elvis "died" at a time when the media wasn't quite as "in your face" as it is today. Also, you said you don't believe 2 famous people managed to fake their deaths.. but on the contrary, I would argue that ONLY famous people at their level would have the resources to pull it off. Plus, the Elvis similarities that Michael copied cannot be coincidence. Hopefully, the truth will prevail in Eliza's case and more people will be receptive of what really happened no matter how "overboard" it may seem, which I agree it does seem rather extreme at first, but the evidence speaks for itself.

I definitely respect your opinion, but we differ on it. I agree that famous people are the ones to be able to do it.. but I guess I just, like you said, find it extreme that they'd both do it. Also if it were the case that Elvis is alive, I find it depressing. It's been how many years and there's still been no confirmation one way or the other. If it's the same way for Michael - this is going to wear me down. I'm barely holding on as it is. It's really heartbreaking to read all these things everyday and getting your hopes up when there may be no reason to
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 21, 2010, 01:58:30 PM
What I get from that interview is that both, Michael and Lisa were not mature enough to face a relationship being who they are.
Lisa presents Michael as a stubborn man "diva" type. It´s either his way or nothing.

Both confused the meaning of love and both felt non corresponding to each others needs.

Looks like it was a love and hate relation as can happen with teens or when someone has a 1st love  ;)

For how their lifes developed, looks like both matured enough and appreciated each other.

I am not positive with her answer about the child molestation accusations. She is dubious.

I did not understand the part where she was at the funeral  :shock:  I had no idea she was there.

The conversation about "Did he need to die for you to understand that he loved you" makes me think about Michael´s quote "It´s all for love"  ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 01:59:55 PM
Good point Gema... I sure didn't see LMP at the funeral...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 02:02:33 PM
she said she at the private funeral
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 02:04:36 PM
Quote from: "sprint911"
she said she at the private funeral

Ok gotcha, thanks.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 02:07:48 PM
Introducing part 1 of 3.

[youtube:3vvpat8u]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBj4nRay69s&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3vvpat8u]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Heartbreaker on October 21, 2010, 02:19:45 PM
Thanks you for the video sprint911 :) . Lisa's eye movements scare me. :?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Lonelynation on October 21, 2010, 02:25:39 PM
Ahhh part 2 part 2!!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 02:30:29 PM
Quote from: "Lonelynation"
Ahhh part 2 part 2!!
soon
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on October 21, 2010, 02:36:17 PM
WOW, thank you! :D All the times Elvis was brought up :shock:

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LMP said MJ was a master manipulator of the media in a lot of ways. He was brought up that way. She said before she starts answering questions about him you have to understand how he was raised which was different than anyone's except her father. He was conditioned to get himself where he needed to go for his talent. He became good at creating and puppetering. She said she always confused the manipulation as he didn't love her but she understands now it was a survival tactic for him.

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Oprah asks he seemed to be drawn to people like that. LMP says like her father MJ had the luxury of creating his own reality and when people disagreed with him, you were out. She felt disposable. MJ wasn't a bad person, that's just how he functioned.

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Oprah then asks about the similarities between MJ and Elvis, LMP doesn't understand it but she sees it.
The home MJ died, was right across the street from Elvis' former home.

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she said he told her he was afraid he would end up like her father during a conversation at neverland sitting by the fire.

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LMP says she always wanted to be around him. He was a drug for her. she never felt like that with another human being except her father.

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She feels really alone that she's dealt with all this with her father and Michael but honored at the same time. June 25th is a day she dreads like August 16th.

Another thing, one part of the article says they hadn't spoken since a decade before his death, but they spoke in 2005?  :?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: *Mo* on October 21, 2010, 02:52:16 PM

I have merged the threads about the Lisa Marie interview.  Unfortunately the original title got lost, I apologize for that.

Please do not post new threads about this interview, but post in this thread instead.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 02:58:13 PM
[youtube:1qt4af9b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho9HaLEH6vs&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:1qt4af9b]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 03:03:41 PM
please look for part 3 here http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt ... 07&page=63 (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97107&page=63) I wont be here to post it, thanks
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 03:11:12 PM
Wowwwww.... all they talk about are the similarities with Elvis... "play by play by play..identical" (talking about both deaths)... come on!  :D
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 21, 2010, 03:19:41 PM
Think i'm going to wait till it is all uploaded and watch it in one go.

I will refrain from making any comments about LMP until afterwards.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 03:27:46 PM
One thing that caught my attention is when LMP is talking about how she fell in love with him for who he was and how she felt intoxicated by his presence... she goes on and on about it and then says "I am NOT lying when I say that". Isn't that kind of a weird thing to say? Why would anyone think she was lying? Does that mean she's lying about the rest of it?  :lol:  

Also interesting that Oprah talks about Michael's "light" and how it affects people and made her personally want to "be his friend"... well Oprah...now is your chance to be his friend!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 21, 2010, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
One thing that caught my attention is when LMP is talking about how she fell in love with him for who he was and how she felt intoxicated by his presence... she goes on and on about it and then says "I am NOT lying when I say that". Isn't that kind of a weird thing to say? Why would anyone think she was lying? Does that mean she's lying about the rest of it?  :lol:  

Also interesting that Oprah talks about Michael's "light" and how it affects people and made her personally want to "be his friend"... well Oprah...now is your chance to be his friend!


I think it is just a saying...just like saying "I'm not kidding" or "I'm not joking"
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: liegi on October 21, 2010, 03:35:16 PM
Why do I feel Oprah is suspicious? Why does she bring up the connections between MJ and Elvis? Is she on to something?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: "anewfan"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
One thing that caught my attention is when LMP is talking about how she fell in love with him for who he was and how she felt intoxicated by his presence... she goes on and on about it and then says "I am NOT lying when I say that". Isn't that kind of a weird thing to say? Why would anyone think she was lying? Does that mean she's lying about the rest of it?  :lol:  

Also interesting that Oprah talks about Michael's "light" and how it affects people and made her personally want to "be his friend"... well Oprah...now is your chance to be his friend!


I think it is just a saying...just like saying "I'm not kidding" or "I'm not joking"

You're right, "not kidding' or "not joking" would seem appropriate, but I don't think it's common to word it the way she did. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: "liegi"
Why do I feel Oprah is suspicious? Why does she bring up the connections between MJ and Elvis? Is she on to something?

Yeah, it does seem like she's onto something... I noticed that too.

I was thinking... what  if Lisa Marie doesn't want the truth to come out about her father? What if she's trying to confirm to people that her father is really dead by talking about MJ and his "drug problems". That way, when all the similarities are pointed out, it makes sense to people without considering the death hoaxes. Does that make sense? Just considering every angle here. I still keep in the back of my mind the idea that the LMP that we know may not be the real daughter of Elvis. Imagine if that is really the case... if so then she's nothing but an actor who of course wouldn't want the truth to come out because that would expose the truth about herself as well. Totally "out there" I know but something is definitely up...

Also she talks about how Michael always asked questions about her father's death, getting details.. well, I wonder why?

And I cannot get over the sunflowers...  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 03:50:05 PM
[attachment=0:187vjhdh]Sunflowers.jpg[/attachment:187vjhdh]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 21, 2010, 03:52:44 PM
I think that the sunflowers have hidden cameras and microphones  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
I think that the sunflowers have hidden cameras and microphones  :lol:

LOL!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 03:53:36 PM
[attachment=0:1f358qqv]Eye.jpg[/attachment:1f358qqv]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: *Mo* on October 21, 2010, 03:53:58 PM
[youtube:na9nae99]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZqkOdGIaq4[/youtube:na9nae99]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 21, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
Agent sunflower
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Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 04:09:51 PM
LMP is also wearing Purple.

Purple is the color of good judgment. It is the color of people seeking spiritual fulfillment.
Purple has been used to symbolize spirituality, creativity, wealth, royalty, nobility, ceremony, mystery, wisdom, enlightenment, magic.
Being the combination of red and blue, the warmest and coolest colors, purple is believed to be the ideal color.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: liegi on October 21, 2010, 04:12:37 PM
Oprah refers to Lisa being with his "casket".  She says to Lisa, "so, This Is It."  There is much more than meets the eye.  Lisa is also saying, "Now I understand."
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: andreita2994 on October 21, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
i think lisa marie presley was finally telling the truth. i was really sad what they've went through. so according to ther michael had a drug problem, there's was a lot of bad people around him, and during the martin bashir interview he was high sometimes. this is really complicated. what if michael had drug problems. remember he could do whatever he wanted. i've never been a 100%believer but i'm not a non-believer. i have many doubts about his "death". but what lisa said about michael and doing whatever he wanted, and if you opposed you were out. if he had drug problems there was no one that could help him. i really hope michael realized what he was doing and got out. i also wonder if michael still loved lisa. cuz they still together even after they got divorced.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 04:19:39 PM
am I the only who realize that oprah is wearing yellow, it really scares because I think she  is part of the hoax. But I hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on October 21, 2010, 04:36:47 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
One thing that caught my attention is when LMP is talking about how she fell in love with him for who he was and how she felt intoxicated by his presence... she goes on and on about it and then says "I am NOT lying when I say that". Isn't that kind of a weird thing to say? Why would anyone think she was lying? Does that mean she's lying about the rest of it?  :lol:  

Also interesting that Oprah talks about Michael's "light" and how it affects people and made her personally want to "be his friend"... well Oprah...now is your chance to be his friend!

Yea otay buttwheat! lol

Liar! Hipocrite. I am Not a big fan of O's right now.

There is nothing that she could say right now that would make this ok.
This is not an attack on you Jaci. Your comment caught my eye.
 ;)

Quote from: "thevoice"
Well what a timing! the LMP interview and the painting auction to follow.

Just goes to show:
1. there's no such thing as an internet rumor out of nowhere (as we were made to believe the interiew didnt happen)

2. whatever MJ is behind this interview or not the painting auction will deflect from any nonsense LMP might say or reinforce the positivity. I still think LMP is just a wannabe non talented celebrity trying to fit in...

3. regarding OPrah, she is smart woman. I think MJ might not like her but she is a force in the world and has contributed to much good for black woman and black people and people in general all over the world. We have Obama thanks to Oprah...
Janet is never shy to go there and talk whener she got something to sell. So Randy's outbusrt is so contrived ...ha!

Perhaps she has been harshed with MJ rightly so at times. If I was abused as a young person as she was, I don't know if I will ever be comfortable with anyone in MJ's position. innocent or not. There is a trauma and it is unfair for us to rubbish her.
But we can also admit that she is perhaps opening a door to understanding MJ...

with love
xx

What? We have Oprah to thank for Obama? What a joke!

 What I highlighted in your comment above is exactly what O said in her interview with Access Hollywood.

I am a childhood abuse survivor and I would never allow my past to influence and cloud my judgement towards an INNOCENT MAN!

What she did and what your saying is projecting the blame onto Mike for something someone else did a long time ago to O.

I can't stand how she stays STUCK in her wallowing misery and feel sorry for me attitude.

I pulled my comment from this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14955 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14955)
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
Quote from: "BeTheChange"
It was a great letter and I'm sure she's read it...28 pages of comments are sure to draw some attention.  Unfortunately, I don't think it will do much good.  I can't believe that she's done two shows on molestation this week and 'coincidentally' is interviewing LMP this week as well.  Why is all this happening?  What are her motives?  Something just doesn't feel right about this whole thing...and whatever shred of respect I had left for Oprah (which wasn't much) has completely vanished.  That she sandwiched the LMP interview inbetween her molestation shows speaks volumes about what she still thinks of MJ, no matter what she says in that interview tomorrow.With L.O.V.E. always.


Exactly!

What LMP says during the interview kinda gets overshadowed by this ONE fact that I have highlighted in your post.

I have read most of the comments on her board under this subject and there have been a few people who have wrote out specific stuff she has done over the years (in her interviews with other people) that disrespected Michael every way she could.

I can not for the life of me understand how those facts can be over looked.
I saw the promo of LMP and O with the sunflowers, give me a break.
I can't remember where I read it but, Michael's favorite flowers aren't sunflowers.

I think that was a part of the "hoax" because of what the sunflower represents and perhaps this interview is also part of the "hoax"... wait and see is what I will do.
I still think O is a opportunistic, backstabbing, only out for herself person.

I can't even give her credit for being a human or a woman anymore.
I used to have mad respect for her when she first started her show, yes I watched and was proud of her accomplishments.

But, as we should know by now, "the powers to be" run the show and they make or break stars, including O.

She is now under their control and spell.
There is a hidden agenda, no doubt about it.

I am only speaking about LMP and how this interview was oh so cleverly slipped in between molester shows and O's whole site has numerous stories on molestation...

A zebra doesn't change it's stripes just because TIME has passed by.
 Vultures who prey on dead carcasses don't stop eating because it's not in their nature to do so.

O is doing what comes Natural to her, Anything for MONEY.[/b]

I got confused because the threads were merged, lol

I had a thought last night about this...
If Mike set up this interview with Lisa and O, perhaps he did it to allow O to be herself and prove to the world she hasn't changed.

Look at the shows she ran in the same week.
Isn't it Obvious she hasn't changed?
2005 dejavu!

I am watching this interview like a hawk eye investigator.
I am watching every move they make, the body language including the rolling the eyes crap.  :roll:

I have no opinion on Mother Katherine and PaPa Joe. They are grown folks and know what they are doing.
Peace
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: TheRunningGirl on October 21, 2010, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: "sprint911"
am I the only who realize that oprah is wearing yellow, it really scares because I think she  is part of the hoax. But I hope I'm wrong

Yes! In Yellow and orange, she looked like a HUGE sunflower!  Following the ... light... I hope!

With L.O.V.E
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: friendlikeme81 on October 21, 2010, 04:46:37 PM
something is very off with the background (scenery outside), it doesn't add up to a coherent picture.
I marked the cups on the table as points for orientation

[attachment=0:1h59k1al]lmp on oprah 2010.jpg[/attachment:1h59k1al]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 04:48:03 PM
Chanel Logo
[attachment=0:2zv9n74j]LMP 1.jpg[/attachment:2zv9n74j]

The Vesica Piscis

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This ancient symbol is the shape formed by two interlocking circles and is part of sacred geometry. “Piscis” refers to the fact that the middle section resembles a fish (piscies). Its mystical meaning has always been shrouded in mystery but most agree that it is meant to represent the feminine principle – the “vulva of the Goddess”.

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“The Vesica Piscis, two interlinked circles, is also known as “the Yoni”. The name “yoni” refers to the middle portion of the interlocking circles, is derived from the Sanskrit meaning, “divine passage”. That the yoni is the feminine, the yoni should be viewed such that the divine passage becomes a correlation to sex, or male/female union. It is this correlation, and its relation to rebirth and regeneration that remains a basic truth at the very core of Occult structural foundations.”
John Yarker, The Arcane Schools

Early Christianity often represented Christ inside a Vesica Piscis, representing the womb of the Virgin and/or the gateway to the celestial world.

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The vesica piscis also has an important meaning in Freemasonry:

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“The vesica is “a universal exponent of architecture or Masonry, and the original source or fountain from which its signs and symbols are derived— it constituted the great and enduring secret of our ancient brethren”
-George Oliver, Discrepancies of Masonry

Albert G. Mackey discusses the use of the vesica in early Masonry:

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“As a symbol, it was frequently employed as a church decoration by the Freemasons of the Middle Ages. The seals of all colleges, abbeys, and other religious communities, as well as of ecclesiastical persons, were invariably made of this shape. Hence, in reference to the religious character of the Institution, it has been suggested that the seals of Masonic Lodges should also have that form, instead of the circular one now used.”
Albert G. Mackey, Encyclopedia of Freemasonry

We can see a typical use of the vesica on a masonic seal:

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Seal of Academia lodge #847

Probably because of its association with sexuality, the vesica is used by clothing companies its also used by other brands

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Chanel Logo
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Pearls
Pearls symbolize Purity, Spiritual Transformation, Charity, Honesty, Wisdom and Integrity, all the best within us. Pearls provide a clear vehicle for the advancing states of wisdom, as well as a clean channel for receipt of spiritual guidance.

Pearls not only provide a mirror in which to see ourselves, but give us insight into how we appear to others.

The ragged, rough grain of sand, transformed over time slowly growing into a object of great value and beauty.   With it's humble beginnings, Pearls symbolize innocence and a pure heart, and help us get in touch with the simple honest things of life.

    *White: Symbol of pure heart and mind; innocence, faith.
    *Gold and Black: Also for prosperity.
    *Pink: Works especially with the heart Chakra.

Keywords:
Purity , honesty, innocence and integrity, concentration, focus, meditation, serenity, tranquillity and wisdom.

Vibrates to the number 7
http://www.sobrietystones.com/resources/GemBook/Stones/meanings_gemstones_pearls.htm

The Pearl a Christian Symbol
* Purity
* Harmony
* Humility

St. Augustine... after realizing that the pearl was not among the gems which signified the twelve apostles declared that the pearl was reserved in this manner by God for Jesus Christ Himself
This idea makes a lot of sense, when one thinks of the correlation between these two verses:

John 10:9 "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out and find pasture." And:

Revelations 21:21 "And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: each one of the gates was a single pearl."

Jesus = door = Pearl gates of heaven

This fits well, as Jesus claimed to be the way into heaven...

John 14:6 "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no man comes unto the Father, but through Me. Yet another symbol for which the pearl is used is for Heaven as in the following verse:

"The kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls." Matthew 13:45

Since the PEARL, represents Jesus Christ himself...and Heaven,  it indeed also represents the: ZENITH OF QUALITY AND GOOD TASTE.

In Matthew 7:6, in the famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says, "Don't cast your pearls before swine."

Salvador Assael, of Assael International says, "I find with pearls, more than with any other gem, endless parables for life itself."

And he adds, "The black pearl of Polynesia captures the rainbow after the storm. It is a symbol of hope for all humanity."
http://www.karipearls.com/symbol.html
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: missdanipyt on October 21, 2010, 04:48:42 PM
Quote from: "sprint911"
well in the interview lisa said michael proposed to her beside a fire place in the Neverland Library, but  in 1995 with Diana Sawyer, she said he proposed to her on the phone :?:

Clue this be a clue??


that was the first thing i thought of when i read this!!! did she just like straight up lie?! i vividly remember them saying he proposed to her over the phone. wtf?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 21, 2010, 05:14:47 PM
Ok, just watched the videos. I haven't read the thread yet, but here are my first thoughts:

I regained respect for LMP, she did a good job clearing the sky on this interview. I think she was as honest as she can be and she said good things about him. What I thought was strange was that she was avoiding eye-contact with Oprah, who again had to bring up the child molestation charges. Nice yellow (and orange) sunflowers. She hadn't spoken to him in a decade, she talked to him a lot during the second allegations. He proposed in the library? I thought she said before it was on the phone. And thank you Lisa for confirming the OBVIOUS similarities between Elvis and MJ. Good to hear from the horse's mouth Mike asked her all the details on Elvis' death.

Gonna read the thread now.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 05:16:09 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
[attachment=0:16tr2n5u]Eye.jpg[/attachment:16tr2n5u]
what's that now?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: backstager on October 21, 2010, 05:17:50 PM
I liked how she stood up for their marriage. Loved it actually. And I found it very odd (in a good way) that LMP kept making references to Elvis throughout the interview. And also odd that she kept bringing up "the library by the fireplace" is there any significance in that? Also, there was mentioning of vampires and spiders...? I don't know what to think of that either.

I'm still trying to decipher it all.

On a side note: Did anyone else find it weird that LMP said she saw the Bashir interview and thought that Michael was intoxicated?

And I'd like to close my post by saying that photo of LMP by "Michaels Casket" looks posed. And how is it JUST being leaked now, more than a year after the fact?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 05:20:47 PM
Quote from: "backstager"
I liked how she stood up for their marriage. Loved it actually. And I found it very odd (in a good way) that LMP kept making references to Elvis throughout the interview. And also odd that she kept bringing up "the library by the fireplace" is there any significance in that? Also, there was mentioning of vampires and spiders...? I don't know what to think of that either.

I'm still trying to decipher it all.

On a side note: Did anyone else find it weird that LMP said she saw the Bashir interview and thought that Michael was intoxicated?

And I'd like to close my post by saying that photo of LMP by "Michaels Casket" looks posed. And how is it JUST being leaked now, more than a year after the fact?

[attachment=0:298mdxmr]LMP Casket.jpg[/attachment:298mdxmr]

I don't see any irises in those flowers...

(http://www.waleg.com/celebrities/images/mj-casket09.jpg)
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: michaelsupporter on October 21, 2010, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: "missdanipyt"
"Did he have to die for you to recognize that he loved you."

...Wowww...... :shock:

Yep, this is true Romeo and Juliet!!!
Shakespeare couldn't have written a better script!!!
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: michaelsupporter on October 21, 2010, 05:32:18 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
two points:  a. did he have to die for you to realize that he loved you?
could this not also be asked of the fans?
b. what the heck is going on with lisa and the eye makeup? does it not seem to anyone else that it has gotten progressively stranger everytime we see her( or is it just me :? )

Suspicious mind and All:

I noticed this too.....and my theory is that the eye makeup along with the false eyelashes are a way to conceal the truth.  Did you all notice just how often she blinked and the difficulty she had maintaining eye contact????? She was very fidgety during the entire interview and spent a great deal of time playing with her hair. These are all indications of nervousness and I even go as far to question LMP's truth in her statements. Was it scripted???? I get a sense it is. If she and Oprah are such good friends, LMP should be able to conduct an interview where LMP is calm, collected and able to point-blank answer questions without being fidgety and look Oprah in the eyes. What's up with it all?????  Perhaps, LMP is supposed to appear this way so we will see through it?????
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Heartbreaker on October 21, 2010, 05:35:55 PM
Quote from: Serenitys_Dream

[attachment=0:cg5xexzu]LMP Casket.jpg[/attachment:cg5xexzu]

I don't see any irises in those flowers...


The background is not the same :? . Where is the crown for the king of pop?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "backstager"
I liked how she stood up for their marriage. Loved it actually. And I found it very odd (in a good way) that LMP kept making references to Elvis throughout the interview. And also odd that she kept bringing up "the library by the fireplace" is there any significance in that? Also, there was mentioning of vampires and spiders...? I don't know what to think of that either.

I'm still trying to decipher it all.

On a side note: Did anyone else find it weird that LMP said she saw the Bashir interview and thought that Michael was intoxicated?

And I'd like to close my post by saying that photo of LMP by "Michaels Casket" looks posed. And how is it JUST being leaked now, more than a year after the fact?

[attachment=0:3gdghh21]LMP Casket.jpg[/attachment:3gdghh21]

I don't see any irises in those flowers in the LMP photo...

(http://www.waleg.com/celebrities/images/mj-casket09.jpg)

Let's not forget:

Michael Jackson Buys Coffin For Neverland Ranch
September 20, 2002
The Sun reports Michael Jackson has splashed out $34,000 on a gold-plated coffin. Jacko picked the ornate design from a catalogue after visiting an undertaker in Las Vegas. He then asked shocked workers to ship the box to his Neverland Ranch in California, and many speculate it was purchased for his own funeral.
http://popdirt.com/michael-jackson-buys-coffin-for-neverland-ranch/7886/
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: mumof3 on October 21, 2010, 05:39:40 PM
I agree the background to the video does not match up and was lisas hair like that at the funeral I thought it was blonder and smoother I might be wrong
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 05:44:41 PM
Eye spot an Eye ;)

[attachment=0:2vusx8m4]eye.jpg[/attachment:2vusx8m4]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: michaelsupporter on October 21, 2010, 05:47:43 PM
Quote from: "angelshadow"
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
She hadn't talked to him in a decade before his "death."

Contradiction:  He called her during the trial in 2005.  She told him to keep his head together.  

Yes, of course, he is the puppeteer!

good Point lovemj4everandever ;)
Neither Lisa plays her part or she makes herself extremely important 8-)

I agree with this plus I feel that another contradiction from LMP is the drug part.  She suspected it----but never had proof. She is implying it but throughout the interview she gave major clues that he was coherent and able to work as a "unit". I have a hard time believing that anyone consistently under the influence of any drug is going to be able to maintain a relationship for any great length of time.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 21, 2010, 05:49:42 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
something is very off with the background (scenery outside), it doesn't add up to a coherent picture.
I marked the cups on the table as points for orientation

[attachment=0:14v8d0jy]lmp on oprah 2010.jpg[/attachment:14v8d0jy]

Yeah.in the 4th pic bottom right....aint seeing that bench that is outside behind the cup in pic 2.

God.This is such a set up.
Sunflowers with redish marigolds
Yellow
The eye on the box in plain view
Scenery that doesn't add up (FOREST LAWN ANYONE?)
LMP in purple,which is weird after there was a huge article done about the colours the government officials wear when addressing the public or each other as a sign/code...i will find the article again!!! But it was talking about the purple tie Obama wears and the purple silicone wristbands a few of them had on in different conferences.and Not to get into it because I am anti illuminati...but it did have an element of that in the article...and there is the eye infront of her.


FFS!
I feel like I am living in the Truman Show.....is ANYTHING ever going to appear real and not a set up ever again?Really though?

p.s I would also like to say if I were LMP husband.....the current one...I would buy her a tent and tell her to go camp out at FL and be closer to the man who apparently made her intoxicated and who she made a mistake leaving.
GOOD LORD.
Someone get Dr Phill before shit goes down in camp Presely.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 21, 2010, 05:50:59 PM
I was just watching the 3rd video...and my fiance came in and watched for a minute then said, "is she making all that up?"... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

That's exactly what it felt like to me, like she was just telling stories...

And my intuition says that Oprah knows exactly what is going on. Especially from that last Elvis/MJ comparison.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 21, 2010, 05:52:41 PM
As much as I hate to admit it, I seriously think I understand the kind of love hate relationship she and Michael had.  It was like she was talking about a man who happens to also be named Michael that I personally know and dated for a painful 4 years.  It was most unnerving and eerie to hear some of what she said because I have lived it myself :?   Especially the part about him being able to close the door emotionally and push people out of his life when he felt wronged.  I know that feeling and it is not literal.  It is like being somewhere so unwelcoming that you felt a force physically pushing you.  Its cold as ice.  Imagine being in love with someone who has built an invisible wall between you that you can't penetrate no matter how hard you try.  You feel that they have refrained from caring, excised you, and for all practical purposes, you no longer exist.  To them you are now invisible. You live together separately, no emotion, nothing. I can almost feel emphatic with her because I know EXACTLY what she was talking about.   Beautiful eyes that stare straight through you, cold and expressionless, as if you're not even there.  That hurts like hell.  Never want to experience that again :(
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: lovemj4everandever on October 21, 2010, 05:57:00 PM
Flowers are not the same and like I said earlier, how is it REMOTELY possible that this casket pic has not surfaced over the last year?  To me, it honestly looks like LMP has been photoshopped into the photo or at the very least something is just way off about it.  Not only are the flowers not the same, but from what I see, the casket isn't the same, it seems to have different handles.  Behind the casket somewhere inbetween LMP and the green curtain in the back, it looks like a "green screen" set with the green carpet.  

This is just all so amazing.  Michael you are a freakin' genius.  I do get the feeling Lisa is in in on the hoax, after all she's the one who suggested we send specifically "silk" sunflowers to FL and "silk" flowers are not allowed, so we know she didn't leave any "silk" sunflowers as she claimed on her myspace.  

What was up with Oprah's yellow and orange?  This is SOOOOO big.  I think we're all gonna be BLOWN away by how big this is.....

Everyone seems to regret that it took Michael's "death" to come to grips with the reality of all things "Michael Jackson."  

We're lovin' the show Mike!  And YES! We Will be There!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: applehead250609 on October 21, 2010, 05:57:45 PM
Hello my friends!!!!! :D


I really think that Janet has right:
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE UNTIL IT'S GONE!!!!!!

[youtube:17nk5690]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9QYv9XBMHI[/youtube:17nk5690]

Now why you wanna go and do dat love, huh
Now why you wanna go and do dat huh do that
Now why you wanna go and do dat love, huh
Now why you wanna go and do dat, do dat, do dat

I like this song huh,
What
On and on it seemed to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone
Repeat 3x
You don't know what you've got till it's gone

I've a feeling
Now believing
That you were the one I was meant to be with
Oh how I'm wishing, thinking dreaming, of you to love
That I was meant to be
That way

Got till it's gone (on and on)
Got till it's gone(on and on)
Yeah, yeah, yeah

On and on it seemed to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone
Repeat 3x


oh oh
What
Joni Mitchell never lies (lies, lies)
You never know what you've got till it's gone

I could turn back hands of time (mmm)
Make you fall in love with me again
So would you give me another chance to love
To love you the right way, come again

Got till it's gone (on and on)
Got till it's gone (on and on)

Joni Mitchell never lies
On and on it seemed to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone
Repeat 3x

What's that
Uh huh Yeah
Let me just wait'it for a minute (don't know what you've got till it's gone)
What
Now you realisin' when the nights go long
Right
Can't wait for to to say when you know that I'm wrong
Right
Get back for awhile
When I tell you to settle
I was working round the clock
But you girls' win the medal (I heard..I heard)
Talk about I heard you smith
But just check on the beat
That was out with the time
But my love you impeach
Now you're looking at the wall
..a hand cold
Breakin' in my house
Hangin' up thenimposing

Now why you wanna go and do dat love, huh
Now why you wanna go and do dat huh
Now why you wanna go and do dat love, huh
Now why you wanna go and do dat, do dat, do dat

On and on it seems to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Have you ever realized
Joni Mitchell never lies
Don't know what you've got till it's gone


I have mixed feelings about this and about what its going on lately in "Michael's life"  :? ,but something its fishy that's for sure.We have alot of news about Michael ,but who its watching??????? WE,the Believers????? And maybe some fans ?
I am the only one who thinks that this is strange???? Why this is not on NATIONAL TV in every COUNTRY in this this WORLD?????? :?:  :idea: Everything that happened after 25 june last year,and that was positive about Michael was not for everyone to see, :( .Yes I remember Michael 's words,GOOD NEWS DONT SELL, :x .
I hope that all this CIRCUS is a part of the HOAX,otherwise it doesent make sense  to me,not this and not the interview with Mj's parents and kids :cry: .And about the drugs ,what was that ???? She now say the same things like Janet ,said???? :?: Was he really on drugs,he who was against them????? Sorry but this is garbage,pure garbage.
The incident that Lisa said, happened for real but as I rememeebr was is 1995 and not in 1994  :?  :?: ,and it was because of health probllems not drugs. I remember that Michael had to do a show for HBO,togheter with Marcel Marceau,but its was canceled.Here is an article about that incident:




Michael Jackson 'stable' after collapse
December 7, 1995
Web posted at: 10:30 a.m. EST

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Michael Jackson was hospitalized in stable condition Thursday, suffering from apparent dehydration and low blood pressure. The 37-year-old entertainer collapsed on stage during a rehearsal at the Beacon Theater in New York late Wednesday afternoon.

New York Emergency Medical Service received a call at 4:51 p.m. from a security guard at the theater saying Jackson was not breathing, but when they arrived minutes later he was awake and alert, according to EMS spokesman John Hanchar. Emergency workers determined that Jackson was suffering from exhaustion, dehydration and dangerously low blood pressure, Hanchar told CNN.

EMS spokeswoman Marie Lamberti said that when Jackson was first treated, his blood pressure measured 70 over 40. A healthy reading would be 120 over 80.

"He appeared very sluggish," said emergency medical technician La-Shunn Knight. (40K AIFF sound or 40K WAV sound) She said Jackson, wearing jeans and a T-shirt, mumbled a few words she couldn't understand.

Another medical technician, Kevin Barwick, said Jackson was "semi-conscious" and was treated with oxygen and intravenous fluids before being taken to Beth Israel Hospital North.

 Jackson's health has made news before. His hair caught fire when a smoke bomb misfired while he was taping a Pepsi commercial in 1984. He was hospitalized with chest pains in 1990. An August 1993 concert in Singapore was postponed because Jackson was suffering from dehydration. And in November 1993, he cut short a concert tour because of an addiction to prescription painkillers amid allegations of child molestation.

 Jackson's sister, recording artist Janet Jackson, appeared at the hospital shortly after her brother's arrival.

 His admission for tests raised questions about the two weekend concerts to be taped for a cable TV special Sunday night on HBO. HBO officials say rehearsals for "Michael Jackson: One Night Only" are continuing while they await word on whether he will be able to go on.

"Michael was not going to be in rehearsals tonight," said HBO spokesman Quentin Schaffer. "It was just pyrotechnics. His private physician is flying in from Los Angeles right now and we will not know anything until (Thursday)." (195K AIFF sound or 195K WAV sound)

The special is scheduled to be taped Friday and Saturday.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9512/michael_jackson/12-07/index.html
[youtube:17nk5690]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvTRE8NBoMA[/youtube:17nk5690]

Here are some comments about this from Mjjcomunity site:

1- I remember being excited because I had HBO and couldn't wait to see it. He did a press conference during the rehearsal time with Marcel Marceau. Looks like the video from youtube is from the press conference. He danced around a bit with Marceau on the stage during that.

The concerts (there were supposed to be two there in NYC) never happened, though, unfortunately. Michael collapsed during rehearsals on December 6, 1995. The 911 call said he wasn't breathing, but when the ambulance arrived they said he was awake, so that had been wrong. He was "groggy" and had low blood pressure, however, and was kept in the hospital in intensive care for severe dehydration. The HBO 'One Night Only' concerts were cancelled when the doctors told him he simply had to take the rest of the year off to get well. Here are a couple of archived articles: http://edition.cnn.com/US/9512/micha...-07/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/US/9512/micha...-07/index.html) and http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/07/ny...rehearsal.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/07/ny...rehearsal.html)

P.S. The first news reports were that he'd had a heart attack and had been rushed to the hospital. It was scary, I'll tell you. Thank God he was ok after getting some fluids into him. That time, at least  



2 - I remember that Marceau was praising Michaels voice on childhood he told the reporter his voice on that song was magic. I really hope someone has taped it.

Which songs was he going to perform? Anyone know?



3- Does anyone know if Mike did a complete concert rehearsal for the 1995 HBO TV Concert One night Only. And the important question is did anyone taped it on film like the This is it rehearsal?
I only heard good stuff about the rehearsals back in the day.
In an interview Marceau told the reporter that Mike was singing Childhood in the rehearsals
live and he had planed to performe the full concert with live vocals!!!!!!!

I would love to see the Childhood live version with Marceau SO MUCH!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC22e...layer_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC22e...layer_embedded)

And one last remark about what Lisa said today:
If I remember correct Michael ask her to marry her on the phone,no??????


On May 26, 1994 Michael Jackson marry Lisa Marie Presley
Twenty days after her divorce from Keough, Presley married the late singer, Michael Jackson on May 26, 1994, in the Dominican Republic. They had first met when 7-year-old Presley attended several of his shows in Las Vegas. According to Yahoo.com, when they met again as adults, "things moved very quickly", with Jackson proposing over the telephone after four months. They stayed in contact every day over the telephone. As child molestation accusations became public, Jackson became dependent on Lisa Marie for emotional support; she was concerned about his faltering health and his addiction to drugs. Lisa Marie explained, "I believed he didn't do anything wrong, and that he was wrongly accused and, yes, I started falling for him. I wanted to save him. I felt that I could do it." Shortly afterwards, she tried to persuade Jackson to settle the allegations out of court and go into rehabilitation to recover—he subsequently did both.  
Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Marie_Presley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Marie_Presley)  



LOVE
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: michaelsupporter on October 21, 2010, 06:00:16 PM
I just have to add this as I am perplexed by it and I must admit that I tend to analyze things closely:

Did anyone find it suspicious that LMP said that she was the last one standing with Michael?????? Oprah then asked a question and it was clarified to be that at the private funeral LMP was standing alone over Michael's casket---as everyone else had exited the room. Now, call me crazy, but this brings to mind Karen Faye and company's claim that they had spent 9 hours with Michael preparing his make-up and clothing for the funeral. It all sounds rather ludicrous and revealing to me.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 06:02:39 PM
Quote from: "mumof3"
I agree the background to the video does not match up and was lisas hair like that at the funeral I thought it was blonder and smoother I might be wrong

Arriving
[attachment=1:3e9qe3mv]LisaLimo1-EU.jpg[/attachment:3e9qe3mv]

Seated at the back at the funeral service.
[attachment=0:3e9qe3mv]LMP at Funeral.jpg[/attachment:3e9qe3mv]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: michaelsupporter on October 21, 2010, 06:03:35 PM
Wasn't Oprah's final question something to this degree:

What lesson is this for you being that so many parallels exist between the life and death of your father, Elvis, and your former husband, Michael Jackson????

Well, should there be any lesson to be learned at all, my friends?????????....................unless, of course, there is one to learn!!!!!!

Michael, you inspire me and keep me "on my toes"!!!!!!!!! Keep it coming, my friend!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 21, 2010, 06:09:13 PM
@Applehead250609 not too sure what your entire post was about then..seemed like a recap of the past year and a half in one go??

Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
Flowers are not the same and like I said earlier, how is it REMOTELY possible that this casket pic has not surfaced over the last year?  To me, it honestly looks like LMP has been photoshopped into the photo or at the very least something is just way off about it.  Not only are the flowers not the same, but from what I see, the casket isn't the same, it seems to have different handles.  Behind the casket somewhere inbetween LMP and the green curtain in the back, it looks like a "green screen" set with the green carpet.  

Totally agree..the more I look at the stills the more I think...forest lawn funeral.
There is no way that LMP casket pic has been around since 09...NONE!!!

@hesouttamylife sorry for your experience *hugs*

I just want to know what the REAL reason is behind this Interview...because it isn't ground breaking info..she has spoken out about him before..to Oprah the witch Whinfrey so when someone knows...hook me up (Y) cause my head is in pain from processing information lol.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: michaelsupporter on October 21, 2010, 06:22:55 PM
Here is my take on the interview in general:

It is contrived----Michael is behind it-and here are the reasons why:

1)LMP's non-verbals: she is fidgety, avoids eye contact and flips her hair often.
2)The inconsistencies that LMP has previously stated compared to that of today (ie: the marriage proposal etc., not talking to him in a decade but talking to him in 2005 etc.)
3)The facts between the parallels between the life and death of Elvis and Michael were stressed greatly!
4) The emphasis that there is a lesson to learn in all of this.
5)The admittance by LMP that Michael was manipulative...but had to be for a reason...and she gets that now!
6)LMP's vagueness in her theory that Michael used drugs. She demonstrated no proof or real conviction to this in my opinion.....only a personal hunch.
7)The sunflowers!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 21, 2010, 06:23:23 PM
it was mention almost in passing that michael felt that people were after the catalog.
can someone tell me . it looks like a laptop on the table across from lisa . is that just there for oprah to check up on what she is going to talk about? also very little was put out there as far as elvis and drugs compared to what was said about michael.

remember the video of when michael was first questioned about the first allegation. there was the list they asked him about. he said it was for an interview and read the stuff off. well the interview with oprah in 93(?) pretty much addressed what was on that list in one way or another. my guess is michael was mostly controlling that interview . and i have to guess that lisa was mostly in control of what was disscussed for this one. imo
Title: Re: LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON OPRAH THIS WEEK!!!
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on October 21, 2010, 06:30:28 PM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
two points:  a. did he have to die for you to realize that he loved you?
could this not also be asked of the fans?
b. what the heck is going on with lisa and the eye makeup? does it not seem to anyone else that it has gotten progressively stranger everytime we see her( or is it just me :? )

Suspicious mind and All:

I noticed this too.....and my theory is that the eye makeup along with the false eyelashes are a way to conceal the truth.  Did you all notice just how often she blinked and the difficulty she had maintaining eye contact????? She was very fidgety during the entire interview and spent a great deal of time playing with her hair. These are all indications of nervousness and I even go as far to question LMP's truth in her statements. Was it scripted???? I get a sense it is. If she and Oprah are such good friends, LMP should be able to conduct an interview where LMP is calm, collected and able to point-blank answer questions without being fidgety and look Oprah in the eyes. What's up with it all?????  Perhaps, LMP is supposed to appear this way so we will see through it?????


■Avoiding eye contact
Evasive eye contact: a sign of discomfort.
 
Why do we keep from looking at a person? It may be because we feel ashamed to be looking at them if we're being dishonest of trying to deceive them. However, Scotland's University of Stirling found that, in a question-and-answer study among children, those who maintained eye contact were less likely to come up with the correct answer to a question than those who looked away to consider their response. Eye contact, as a socialising device, can take a surprising amount of effort to maintain when this energy could be spend on calculating, as opposed to perceptive, tasks.

 
Crying
Humans are believed to be the only species on Earth to cry, though there is emerging evidence of it in elephants and gorillas.
 In most cultures around the world, crying is considered to be caused by an extreme experience of emotion; usually, it's associated with sadness or grief, though often extreme experiences of happiness, and through humor, can cause us to cry. Often, forced crying to gain sympathy or deceive others is known as "crocodile tears" - an expression from myths of crocodiles 'crying' when catching prey.


Blinking
Aside from our instinctive need to blink, our emotions and feeling towards the person we're talking to can cause us to subconcious alter our blink rate. Blinking more than the average 6-10 times per minute (see right) can be a good indicator that a person is attracted to the person they're talking to, and is for this reason used as a sign of flirting.

Men and women blink at roughly the same rate as each other - between 6 and 10 times per minute in a normal setting. Additionally, animals such as tortoises are known to blink at different times with each eye.
 

Winking
In the West, we consider winking to be a cheeky form of flirting - something we do with people that we know or are on good terms with. However, there are cross-cultural variations on the issue of winking: some Asian cultures frown up on the use of this form of facial expression.

 Eye Direction
What does the direction is someone looking in tell us about what they're thinking or feeling? Well, probably just what they're looking at. The thing to look out for is the direction someone's eyes are looking in when they're thinking. Looking to their left indicates that they're reminiscing or trying to remember something. On the other hand, looking to their right indicates more creative thoughts, and this is often interpreted as a potential sign that someone may be being deceitful in some situations, i.e. creating a version of events. Note: if a person is left handed, the direction indicators may be reversed.

Yes shifty eyes say it all. I will say she tried...lol
LMP said she wanted to get this interview out of the way because she was about to PROMOTE her album. Hidden agenda?
What was the point of bringing up the drugs and molestation again?
I am cynical so forgive me I don't buy any of this garbage.

They had a hike during the summer?
Too many contradictions and shifty eyes searching for an answer that would be most beLIEvable.
 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

Peace

Oh and I like how O took a jab at the "fans" saying Lisa wasn't some "fan" marrying him...lol
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: libra8 on October 21, 2010, 06:33:24 PM
Where her hand rests on top of the casket...it looks like shes photoshopped into the picture
(http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn217/libra_047/LMP20Casket2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: CC on October 21, 2010, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Here is my take on the interview in general:

It is contrived----Michael is behind it-and here are the reasons why:

1)LMP's non-verbals: she is fidgety, avoids eye contact and flips her hair often.
2)The inconsistencies that LMP has previously stated compared to that of today (ie: the marriage proposal etc., not talking to him in a decade but talking to him in 2005 etc.)
3)The facts between the parallels between the life and death of Elvis and Michael were stressed greatly!
4) The emphasis that there is a lesson to learn in all of this.
5)The admittance by LMP that Michael was manipulative...but had to be for a reason...and she gets that now!
6)LMP's vagueness in her theory that Michael used drugs. She demonstrated no proof or real conviction to this in my opinion.....only a personal hunch.
7)The sunflowers!

7 REASONS   GOOD POINTS! ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 06:38:53 PM
If Oprah had any real journalistic or interview skills she would have asked LMP about the Eliza Presley Paternity case!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: kdkennedy74 on October 21, 2010, 06:45:36 PM
If MJ really did buy a gold casket several years back then he had been planning this for several years.

I am still trying to figure out how I feel about LMP's interview with O. I watched and recorded because I wanted to see what others of you noticed and now I can go back and watch again and take note of the things that were stated here.  

I also find it very odd that this photo of LMP at the casket has never surfaced until now...who took the photo I wonder?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 21, 2010, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
two points:  a. did he have to die for you to realize that he loved you?
could this not also be asked of the fans?
b. what the heck is going on with lisa and the eye makeup? does it not seem to anyone else that it has gotten progressively stranger everytime we see her( or is it just me :? )

Suspicious mind and All:

I noticed this too.....and my theory is that the eye makeup along with the false eyelashes are a way to conceal the truth.  Did you all notice just how often she blinked and the difficulty she had maintaining eye contact????? She was very fidgety during the entire interview and spent a great deal of time playing with her hair. These are all indications of nervousness and I even go as far to question LMP's truth in her statements. Was it scripted???? I get a sense it is. If she and Oprah are such good friends, LMP should be able to conduct an interview where LMP is calm, collected and able to point-blank answer questions without being fidgety and look Oprah in the eyes. What's up with it all?????  Perhaps, LMP is supposed to appear this way so we will see through it?????

■Avoiding eye contact
Evasive eye contact: a sign of discomfort.

Too many contradictions and shifty eyes searching for an answer that would be most beLIEvable.
[/b]


I was talking to Mr Shikster while this was going on on US tv,and the first thing he said about..was her body language and how she appears to be hiding things.

Quote

2010-10-21 @16:15:37 "To me her body language and face say she has something to hide thus far into the interview"
at the end of it..."I kept my eyes and ears open for the whole LMP interview. Heres my findings......sunflowers....the fact she seemed like she had something to hide by facial expressions and A LOT of her hand movements were a lot like Michaels

Just adding in his bit since he isn't about.He got it straight away.


Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
If Oprah had any real journalistic or interview skills she would have asked LMP about the Eliza Presley Paternity case!

YES!! you know...since that is a more current and pressing issue than a marriage that dissolved 14years ago!!!!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: msteetee34 on October 21, 2010, 06:50:10 PM
I'm looking at these pics of LMP at the funeral.  How come when she arrives it's clearly dark outside but when she sitting in the service it's still daylight in the other pic where she sitting next to her daughter?  How it's going go from being dark to daylight makes no sense.  Also her hair is super dark on top when she get out the car but it's looks blonde when she sitting and standing over the casket.  I didn't get to see the interview but I heard that she said something like she love being around him more than any other human being besides her father.  She love taking care of him.  That's kinda like a diss to her current husband Michael.  It sound like no one fill MJ shoes after him.  Nick Cage not even her new hubby.  I believe her and MJ did have a love,hate, passionate relationship.  I could see chemistry between those two when they did that interview with Diane Sawyer.   MJ was teasing Lisa then she pinched him but later he was talking and she grabbed his hand.  She seem defensive toward Diane Sawyer when she would speak about MJ's appearance.  People say LMP is evil female but I notice that men who are really sweet tend to be attracted to females like that.  I've seen it alot in other couples.  I think the mean things she said in the past was out of hurt because she loved him alot.  She probably was real mad when MJ married Debbie.  I think her momma had something to do with their break up too.  I think her not having his babies too was also a major factor.  I think LMP got real love for him still and she would go out of her way for him if need be.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: TheRunningGirl on October 21, 2010, 06:53:59 PM
Quote from: "CC"
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Here is my take on the interview in general:

It is contrived----Michael is behind it-and here are the reasons why:

1)LMP's non-verbals: she is fidgety, avoids eye contact and flips her hair often.
2)The inconsistencies that LMP has previously stated compared to that of today (ie: the marriage proposal etc., not talking to him in a decade but talking to him in 2005 etc.)
3)The facts between the parallels between the life and death of Elvis and Michael were stressed greatly!
4) The emphasis that there is a lesson to learn in all of this.
5)The admittance by LMP that Michael was manipulative...but had to be for a reason...and she gets that now!
6)LMP's vagueness in her theory that Michael used drugs. She demonstrated no proof or real conviction to this in my opinion.....only a personal hunch.
7)The sunflowers!

7 REASONS   GOOD POINTS! ;)

And I would add

8) MJ Manipulation of the media clearly stated
9) The house Elvis lived on being in front of MJ Holmsby Hill house.

If I was not a beLIEver, I would have felt sad watching this interview but then, I remember how much our dear TS insisted on the Elvis and MJ connection (A long, long time before the LMP interview was announced)... http://www.elvisandMJ.com (http://www.elvisandMJ.com), the media campaign...  I remember the clue about the MJ Holmsby home and the Elvis house being discovered and discussed...The many (and some very recent ones too) discussions about the media and the lessons they need to learn... and I feel so Happy that we, BeLIEvers, are being looked after so that our FAITH takes us to a day of his BAM.

With L.O.V.E
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 21, 2010, 07:07:47 PM
Is it me? or I see a mirror view?? The camera must be taking the image from a mirror. Pls, observe how the box stands. Looks like is reflected in the mirror, standing on a console or chest of drawers.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: a18wheelslady on October 21, 2010, 07:13:47 PM
could the laptop be there set to web cam and Michael was watching everything?????????
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: truthprevails on October 21, 2010, 07:18:02 PM
Who took the photo of LMP by the casket (esp. if Lisa was the last person there)?!  And how convenient that she's holding that memorial pamphlet with MJ's photo... Looks almost like a photo-op to me.  WHY would anyone want a photo taken at such a moment?!

There's a certain degree of contradiction with respect to Michael's drug-taking:
LMP said she saw no signs until Michael collapsed in 1995... Then she had an inkling he was on drugs.  Later on, when talking about the Bashir interview, LMP said that MJ looked "intoxicated" and "high as a kite" there, and not how he was when Lisa and him were together - implying that Michael had been sober/clear-headed (at least for the most part) when Lisa knew him... And that's for 1.5-2 years of marriage + 4 yrs after the divorce.  The conclusion I draw is that MJ wasn't a drug addict/junkie per se, but may have taken painkillers (and possibly sleep aids?) at times.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: truthprevails on October 21, 2010, 07:22:40 PM
Oh, one more thing I found odd:
Lisa's laugh at the very end of the interview, after Oprah thanks her for her time and for opening up...  :shock:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: angelwings on October 21, 2010, 07:22:47 PM
Watch her eyes....especially when Oprah asks who told her about MJ's death

http://changingminds.org/techniques/bod ... nguage.htm (http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/parts_body_language/eyes_body_language.htm)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: katson45 on October 21, 2010, 07:28:45 PM
Agree wth truth and angel....Check out the final seconds of the shoot, after sound is off...lisa's triuphant grin (to me said yeah! we did it!) MJ prob shot this himself...la te da...makin' movies michael!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 21, 2010, 07:34:56 PM
Quote from: truthprevails
Who took the photo of LMP by the casket (esp. if Lisa was the last person there)?!  And how convenient that she's holding that memorial pamphlet with MJ's photo... Looks almost like a photo-op to me.  WHY would anyone want a photo taken at such a moment?!

There's a certain degree of contradiction with respect to Michael's drug-taking:
LMP said she saw no signs until Michael collapsed in 1995... Then she had an inkling he was on drugs.  Later on, when talking about the Bashir interview, LMP said that MJ looked "intoxicated" and "high as a kite" there, and not how he was when Lisa and him were together - implying that Michael had been sober/clear-headed (at least for the most part) when Lisa knew him... And that's for 1.5-2 years of marriage + 4 yrs after the divorce.  The conclusion I draw is that MJ wasn't a drug addict/junkie per se, but may have taken painkillers (and possibly sleep aids?) at times.[/quote

or maybe he was acting ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 21, 2010, 07:37:15 PM
I have to read and watch the videos with more quiet, when Michael says LMP marriage asked the fireplace and it is assumed that he did by phone, what this does is reinforce my suspicion that the marriage did not exist, one thing so do not forget and more when you're so in love.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: michaelsupporter on October 21, 2010, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
I have to read and watch the videos with more quiet, when Michael says LMP marriage asked the fireplace and it is assumed that he did by phone, what this does is reinforce my suspicion that the marriage did not exist, one thing so do not forget and more when you're so in love.


Paula-C and All,

You are sooooo right. There are very few women who will not be able to recount-in full-every detail of their proposal. Yep, something is very, very fishy here!!!!!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 21, 2010, 07:49:16 PM
what do you think the reaction to this interview is with people who believe michael is dead.? will they notice  the contradiction about the marraige proposal ect.? do you think it will make any body go hmmm?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 21, 2010, 07:51:53 PM
This was just tweeted by Oprah....

Oprah
 OMG! Just had a SURPRISE date with Jackie Jackson. My teen idol hearthrob. Tried not to talk too much or eat too much. Succeeded at neither! 21 minutes ago via OpenBeak

Interesting.....I wonder what's up with that?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: RK on October 21, 2010, 07:55:09 PM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
something is very off with the background (scenery outside), it doesn't add up to a coherent picture.
I marked the cups on the table as points for orientation

[attachment=0:25ye7crp]lmp on oprah 2010.jpg[/attachment:25ye7crp]

Yeah.in the 4th pic bottom right....aint seeing that bench that is outside behind the cup in pic 2.

God.This is such a set up.
Sunflowers with redish marigolds
Yellow
The eye on the box in plain view
Scenery that doesn't add up (FOREST LAWN ANYONE?)
LMP in purple,which is weird after there was a huge article done about the colours the government officials wear when addressing the public or each other as a sign/code...i will find the article again!!! But it was talking about the purple tie Obama wears and the purple silicone wristbands a few of them had on in different conferences.and Not to get into it because I am anti illuminati...but it did have an element of that in the article...and there is the eye infront of her.


FFS!
I feel like I am living in the Truman Show.....is ANYTHING ever going to appear real and not a set up ever again?Really though?

p.s I would also like to say if I were LMP husband.....the current one...I would buy her a tent and tell her to go camp out at FL and be closer to the man who apparently made her intoxicated and who she made a mistake leaving.
GOOD LORD.
Someone get Dr Phill before shit goes down in camp Presely.
NO!!!! Don't give them ideas for the sequel. I would like to know when either LMP or the family is actually going to state  those very "elusive" names they all mention constantly with the murder scenario.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: truthprevails on October 21, 2010, 07:55:58 PM
There could be a very simple explanation for the discrepancy re: marriage proposal: As I recall, on the phone Michael only asked LMP something like "If I asked you to marry me, what would you say?"  The proposal by the fireplace was probably the formal one, where MJ brought the ring... which LMP actually said.  I personally don't believe the marriage was a sham of any sort.

Re drugs: Yes, MJ may have just wanted LMP to believe he was on drugs, especially since this collapse occurred toward the end of the marriage, or right at the end.  ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: onemoretime on October 21, 2010, 07:58:46 PM
I wonder if Lisa Marie is reading this thread to see people's reaction to her interview, especially since she was so well informed about the parallels between the most important men in her life, all of which she can find in this forum.
Not that she doesn't know it all by her own experience, but why does she refer to it in the interview?

When Oprah asks her about her feelings she had when she was near Michael's casket, she didn't know what to say for quite some time, scratching her head, and she was even smiling. Her answer was evasive and strange as her behavior.

She seems to know, who the people are, who threatened Michael and who wanted his catalogue and his estate, but refused to name them in the interview. Why did she mention this at all?  A conspiracy and an escape?

I had the feeling she tried to be as genuine as possible in her feelings and their relationship; only when it comes to certain questions, she gets a little nervous and she lacks words to describe, because she can't say he wasn't in the casket, maybe. I am more confused now after the interview, as there are some inconsistencies in her behavior. Is it possible that she smiles, where other people would almost start crying of sadness? If she really was the last one at the casket, then she must know what was going on in all respects.
Does she know everything and Oprah doesn't?
Lisa's reaction reminded me of her similar reaction in a Larry King interview, when he asked her about her father Elvis, and she stopped answering a very delicate question, because she didn't know what to answer, in order not to betray herself confessing her father might be alive. She was rather embarassed and Larry King understood ...

Oprah asking her about the child molestation made it clear that Oprah still has doubts. Lisa answers in the same way she always did. So nothing new here.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Dancer on October 21, 2010, 08:00:58 PM
There are two more things that puzzle me. Sorry for my poor English, but I try to eyplain what I mean:

The first thing is:
When I look at 6:30 in the interview, I see long windows that reach to the bottom, to the floor, behind both persons.

[youtube:kkaqbiew]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBj4nRay69s[/youtube:kkaqbiew]

But At 6:34 the window behind LMP seems to reach only to the middle of the wall. The same at 6:58 behind Oprah.
Is it just a different angle??

The second thing is the photo of LMP and the casket. I looked at the pictures of the caskets that Serenity posted on page 7 of the thread. To me it seems the caskets are not the same, it seems as if the casket  in the 2nd picture has more "straight sides" (sorry again for my poor English), the one in the picture with LMP looks more sloped.
Does anybody understand what I mean?  :?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 21, 2010, 08:09:33 PM
Quote from: "anewfan"
This was just tweeted by Oprah....

Oprah
 OMG! Just had a SURPRISE date with Jackie Jackson. My teen idol hearthrob. Tried not to talk too much or eat too much. Succeeded at neither! 21 minutes ago via OpenBeak

Interesting.....I wonder what's up with that?


Shouldn't she be reading the 500 replies she has on her website to ONE letter? #justsayin'
Is that to throw attention OFF what's just aired?If so...it failed miserably.LOL.

Quote from: "RK"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
something is very off with the background (scenery outside), it doesn't add up to a coherent picture.
I marked the cups on the table as points for orientation

[attachment=0:9p39w39m]lmp on oprah 2010.jpg[/attachment:9p39w39m]

Yeah.in the 4th pic bottom right....aint seeing that bench that is outside behind the cup in pic 2.

God.This is such a set up.
Sunflowers with redish marigolds
Yellow
The eye on the box in plain view
Scenery that doesn't add up (FOREST LAWN ANYONE?)
LMP in purple,which is weird after there was a huge article done about the colours the government officials wear when addressing the public or each other as a sign/code...i will find the article again!!! But it was talking about the purple tie Obama wears and the purple silicone wristbands a few of them had on in different conferences.and Not to get into it because I am anti illuminati...but it did have an element of that in the article...and there is the eye infront of her.


FFS!
I feel like I am living in the Truman Show.....is ANYTHING ever going to appear real and not a set up ever again?Really though?

p.s I would also like to say if I were LMP husband.....the current one...I would buy her a tent and tell her to go camp out at FL and be closer to the man who apparently made her intoxicated and who she made a mistake leaving.
GOOD LORD.
Someone get Dr Phill before shit goes down in camp Presely.
NO!!!! Don't give them ideas for the sequel. I would like to know when either LMP or the family is actually going to state  those very "elusive" names they all mention constantly with the murder scenario.

I just laughed so loud at this.The sequel? THIS IS REALLY IT....HONEST.
What can I say I work in Entertainment if I can get a spot doing production on TII2 I'm going to throw the ideas out there haha

@Dancer Your English is fine (Y)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: pepper on October 21, 2010, 08:13:27 PM
Quote from: "missdanipyt"
Quote from: "sprint911"
well in the interview lisa said michael proposed to her beside a fire place in the Neverland Library, but  in 1995 with Diana Sawyer, she said he proposed to her on the phone :?:

Clue this be a clue??


that was the first thing i thought of when i read this!!! did she just like straight up lie?! i vividly remember them saying he proposed to her over the phone. wtf?

At 1:56 Diane Sawyer asks who said the word "marriage" first - MJ and Lisa go on to say that the topic of marriage, of proposing, first came up when they were talking on the phone.  Lisa says that MJ said (on the phone) "What would you do if I asked you to marry me?" and Lisa said she told him "I would."

Oprah asked "How did he propose?"

Two different questions...  Two different answers...


[youtube:2efbptk6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paMQXQzsJbc&feature=related[/youtube:2efbptk6]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paMQXQzs ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paMQXQzsJbc&feature=related)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: truthprevails on October 21, 2010, 08:14:03 PM
Re-watching the video, I noticed something I hadn't seen before (a little spooky):
Watch from 1:53 to 1:57:
Just as Oprah says "You can be present, but still not be there", the light outside goes from bright to dusk-y (in just 2-3 seconds)... Hmm.  Maybe there's a light fixture/lamp outside?

Like some of you, I got the feeling that Oprah is still not convinced of MJ's innocence... What a shame.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: pepper on October 21, 2010, 08:15:36 PM
Quote from: "truthprevails"
There could be a very simple explanation for the discrepancy re: marriage proposal: As I recall, on the phone Michael only asked LMP something like "If I asked you to marry me, what would you say?"  The proposal by the fireplace was probably the formal one, where MJ brought the ring... which LMP actually said.  I personally don't believe the marriage was a sham of any sort.


I agree with you.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: angelwings on October 21, 2010, 08:16:32 PM
Quote from: "Dancer"
There are two more things that puzzle me. Sorry for my poor English, but I try to eyplain what I mean:

The first thing is:
When I look at 6:30 in the interview, I see long windows that reach to the bottom, to the floor, behind both persons.

[youtube:sp21ghv5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBj4nRay69s[/youtube:sp21ghv5]

But At 6:34 the window behind LMP seems to reach only to the middle of the wall. The same at 6:58 behind Oprah.
Is it just a different angle??

The second thing is the photo of LMP and the casket. I looked at the pictures of the caskets that Serenity posted on page 7 of the thread. To me it seems the caskets are not the same, it seems as if the casket  in the 2nd picture has more "straight sides" (sorry again for my poor English), the one in the picture with LMP looks more sloped.
Does anybody understand what I mean?  :?

You are right!  Good eye!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 21, 2010, 08:19:42 PM
would not the question she asked about whether the family let him down or whatever have been an opportunity to mention that she had had an interview with his parents and when it would air?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: truthprevails on October 21, 2010, 08:22:07 PM
Dancer:
Good point about the windows!!  And the backdrop keeps changing behind Oprah!  :shock:
THIS IS A HOAX.  :D
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 21, 2010, 08:25:09 PM
It's always been over the phone...i've seen,heard,and read numerous times about this particular proposal to Lisa...this is the first time i've heard differently.

And just a question...but this fire place she is on about....it isn't the one that 'MJ's ghost'walked past is it on CNN last summer?

[youtube:16diepws]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3EUA-DIkm4&p=A4C50860815D5BE9&playnext=1&index=13[/youtube:16diepws]

Honestly,first thing that came into my head.
I might be tired..I might be on to something,not sure..but there you go...x
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on October 21, 2010, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
It's always been over the phone...i've seen,heard,and read numerous times about this particular proposal to Lisa...this is the first time i've heard differently.

Exactly, I've always heard that they were talking on the phone and Michael said "What would you say if I asked you to marry me?" and Lisa said she would say yes.. maybe the whole getting down on his knee & proposing was the official proposal? :? I never heard it before this interview though.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 21, 2010, 08:31:01 PM
Quote from: "Dancer"
There are two more things that puzzle me. Sorry for my poor English, but I try to eyplain what I mean:

The first thing is:
When I look at 6:30 in the interview, I see long windows that reach to the bottom, to the floor, behind both persons.

[youtube:bthauzj2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBj4nRay69s[/youtube:bthauzj2]

But At 6:34 the window behind LMP seems to reach only to the middle of the wall. The same at 6:58 behind Oprah.
Is it just a different angle??

The second thing is the photo of LMP and the casket. I looked at the pictures of the caskets that Serenity posted on page 7 of the thread. To me it seems the caskets are not the same, it seems as if the casket  in the 2nd picture has more "straight sides" (sorry again for my poor English), the one in the picture with LMP looks more sloped.
Does anybody understand what I mean?  :?
those windows are the back windows, those are not the front windows
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: hope on October 21, 2010, 08:42:10 PM
Its her daughter Riley with the blonde hair, and Riley probably took the picture. It also looks like the casket is inside the Holy Terrace in front of the crypt thing (you can kind of see the gate behind her.
Also, talking about Michaels drug use all the time really upsets me. I love Elvis, but does Lisa and Oprah both forget that he was a walking pharmacy when he died, yet he is still protrayed as a beloved do no wrong King of Rock. C'mon Lisa, lets talk about YOUR daddys drug use instead of P, P, & B's daddys for a change  :evil:
Sorry, but this really pisses me off.  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
Also, it was stated by one of Michaels family members (cant remember which one) that Michael had called Lisa to congratulate her on her twin girls. So thats another communication within the decade. :roll:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: a18wheelslady on October 21, 2010, 09:03:07 PM
I know this must have been talked about before but watching made me think --- Elvis was gone for 33 years and Michael 1 year.
3+3=6+1=7
could she have an ear piece in her ear to help her answer the questions ??????
she did stop many times not knowing how to answer.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 21, 2010, 09:06:30 PM
just notice the bit on the you can be present but still not be there. why work so hard to get that out?

lalala i need my jacket :roll:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: 2good2btrue on October 21, 2010, 09:24:35 PM
The whole reason the Jackson Family and Lisa Marie are letting Oprah interview them, is because the family want the truth out there, and what better way than having Oprah do it.  She is the most watched talk back host.

This is all part of the plan, but Oprah doesn't know about it.

The first thing I picked up from this interview is that Lisa says...
"Michael rang me and told me he was scared...because he thought he was going to be murdered for his catalogue.....Michael told her who was going to kill him,  so Lisa knows who it is, but was not allowed to say anything. This is the first time I've heard Lisa say this....

do you get where I'm headed with this??
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jass88mj on October 21, 2010, 09:25:26 PM
guys, behind Lisa in that pic. there's MJ's tomb inside the mausoleum, I can't believe it...I'm scared...did they act even inside the mausoleum... :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: RK on October 21, 2010, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
The whole reason the Jackson Family and Lisa Marie are letting Oprah interview them, is because the family want the truth out there, and what better way than having Oprah do it.  She is the most watched talk back host.

This is all part of the plan, but Oprah doesn't know about it.

The first thing I picked up from this interview is that Lisa says...
"Michael rang me and told me he was scared...because he thought he was going to be murdered for his catalogue.....Michael told her who was going to kill him,  so Lisa knows who it is, but was not allowed to say anything. This is the first time I've heard Lisa say this....

do you get where I'm headed with this??
This is the exact point that stood out to me. The family have been saying similar all along. Question is are we gonna have to wait till Murray's court case to hear these actual names?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jass88mj on October 21, 2010, 09:35:26 PM
Quote from: "jass88mj"
guys, behind Lisa in that pic. there's MJ's tomb inside the mausoleum, I can't believe it...I'm scared...did they act even inside the mausoleum... :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: 2good2btrue on October 21, 2010, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: "jass88mj"
guys, behind Lisa in that pic. there's MJ's tomb inside the mausoleum, I can't believe it...I'm scared...did they act even inside the mausoleum... :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

Yes thats exactly what I thought too.  The tomb is draped with a curtain, and the pic is inside the mausoleum......

But if the family went to that much trouble for the funeral, wouldnt you think that the show would have continued inside as well...
This is before the coffin was to be interred...none of the family stayed for that, instead, they went to that Italian Restaurant for the after party...... ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)

I believe these pictures were all taken on the same night, and day...including the ones of the one year anniversary......and the family were just photoshopped into them again..
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jass88mj on October 21, 2010, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
Quote from: "jass88mj"
guys, behind Lisa in that pic. there's MJ's tomb inside the mausoleum, I can't believe it...I'm scared...did they act even inside the mausoleum... :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

Yes thats exactly what I thought too.  The tomb is draped with a curtain, and the pic is inside the mausoleum......

But if the family went to that much trouble for the funeral, wouldnt you think that the show would have continued inside as well...
This is before the coffin was to be interred...none of the family stayed for that, instead, they went to that Italian Restaurant for the after party...... ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)

I believe these pictures were all taken on the same night, and day...including the ones of the one year anniversary......and the family were just photoshopped into them again..

I hope you are right...I am a little scared because I didn't thought this "film" was inside the mausoleum too...so I was starting to think was all true...omg...maybe I'm tired because it's 4.40 am here in Italy...so maybe I'm tired and I can't see clearly...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MsTrinity333 on October 21, 2010, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: "pepper"
Quote from: "truthprevails"
There could be a very simple explanation for the discrepancy re: marriage proposal: As I recall, on the phone Michael only asked LMP something like "If I asked you to marry me, what would you say?"  The proposal by the fireplace was probably the formal one, where MJ brought the ring... which LMP actually said.  I personally don't believe the marriage was a sham of any sort.


I agree with you.

As do I.  
The phone conversation was Michael asking if she would do it; "What would you do if I asked you to marry me?" and Lisa said she told him "I would." The official proposal was later when he pulled out the ring.  This has been portrayed in a movie so I was not surprised at this.  I never believed the marriage was a publicity stunt or sham of any sort .  You can read it in their eyes.  It was real.  Many have said she was the love of his life inc. Tito in an interview in Spain.

First of all let me say I LOVED the story on page one of Michael praying with the family & the healing!  I've read similar stories about this; about MJ's touch & healings.  God is good.   :D

All in all I was pleased with the interview.  I felt she was honest and cleared the air about her feelings for Michael past & present and the clarity she has gained.  She confirmed the divorcee was a mistake; she still loved him & he her, and that they were together for yrs after the divorce talking about getting back together.  It was interesting when she said he asked her in 2005 if she still loved him.  We've all heard he wanted her back at that time.  I wish they would have gotten back together.  It is obvious like we all thought that they had deeply loved each other, and the feelings never really died. Lisa also admitted her stubbornness and mistakes as well.

CNN reported she broke down at the funeral & there are pictures of her there.  Someone mentioned not seeing the purple Iris' in the new picture.  I've never seen this before... Interesting it comes out now; but you CAN see a hint of purple to the very right of the frame.

10-21-2010 The date = 7  ;)
I still question Oprah's motives.
Lisa even talked about all the Elvis parallels...hmmmm  ;)
I saw Sunflowers  :lol:

Does she or doesn't she...?  
Time will tell.

Thank you Lisa,
L.O.V.E. Eternally
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: a18wheelslady on October 21, 2010, 09:53:12 PM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
Quote from: "jass88mj"
guys, behind Lisa in that pic. there's MJ's tomb inside the mausoleum, I can't believe it...I'm scared...did they act even inside the mausoleum... :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

Yes thats exactly what I thought too.  The tomb is draped with a curtain, and the pic is inside the mausoleum......

But if the family went to that much trouble for the funeral, wouldnt you think that the show would have continued inside as well...
This is before the coffin was to be interred...none of the family stayed for that, instead, they went to that Italian Restaurant for the after party...... ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)

I believe these pictures were all taken on the same night, and day...including the ones of the one year anniversary......and the family were just photoshopped into them again..
I never saw this picture before but it looks very strange because in all the other pictures the tomb is only half as tall as this picture is showing.

ps  there love hate relationship was one of a kind and you could tell they loved each other.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: mrbigshot on October 21, 2010, 09:56:57 PM
Where can I view this interview if I missed it on television?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: a18wheelslady on October 21, 2010, 09:58:03 PM
it is posted in the first few pages of this post  :D

PAGE 5 IS THE FIRST PART
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jass88mj on October 21, 2010, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: "a18wheelslady"
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
Quote from: "jass88mj"
guys, behind Lisa in that pic. there's MJ's tomb inside the mausoleum, I can't believe it...I'm scared...did they act even inside the mausoleum... :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

Yes thats exactly what I thought too.  The tomb is draped with a curtain, and the pic is inside the mausoleum......

But if the family went to that much trouble for the funeral, wouldnt you think that the show would have continued inside as well...
This is before the coffin was to be interred...none of the family stayed for that, instead, they went to that Italian Restaurant for the after party...... ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)

I believe these pictures were all taken on the same night, and day...including the ones of the one year anniversary......and the family were just photoshopped into them again..
I never saw this picture before but it looks very strange because in all the other pictures the tomb is only half as tall as this picture is showing.

ps  there love hate relationship was one of a kind and you could tell they loved each other.

the tomb is draped...so it may looks different...but why this pic. now?
why pics inside the mausoleum? what a strange angolation...everything's strange in that pic...btw it scares me... :(
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: michaelsupporter on October 21, 2010, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
just notice the bit on the you can be present but still not be there. why work so hard to get that out?

lalala i need my jacket :roll:

Perhaps....to emphasize the point that Michael can be present yet not be (appear) here.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: JukeBox on October 21, 2010, 10:37:44 PM
wow i'm halfway through the interview and i'm stunned. the interview emphasizes so much on the parallels between Elvis and MJ! Lisa Marie is the connection, of course she had to give this interview, and the timing is a perfect lead-in and buildup to the exposure of Eliza's case. i would be surprised if Oprah doesn't know about the hoax, or if she isn't the least suspicious.

this is excellent.
Oh i wonder if MJ is up to any tricks this Halloween. ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: thevoice on October 21, 2010, 11:08:10 PM
You're right Oprah didnt back Obama or use her influence within and outside the black commnunity to help, finance and support the emergence of one of the greatest  leaders of our time, rallying incredible amount of young and first time voters who made the difference....she stayed home hating on MJ i guess.

I am a little shock at the hate towards Oprah. I can understand people might dislike her but hate?  A certain Sneddon  had the very same feeling once...Where's the L.O.V.E in all this?


I don't think she is projecting the blame on her past as an  abuse survivor on MJ specifically, I think she'll always be suspiscous of any person in Mike's predicament. Whatever she might say. But If they dont want to deal with her, why go to her?

Quote from:

[b
What? We have Oprah to thank for Obama? What a joke!

 What I highlighted in your comment above is exactly what O said in her interview with Access Hollywood.

I am a childhood abuse survivor and I would never allow my past to influence and cloud my judgement towards an INNOCENT MAN!

What she did and what your saying is projecting the blame onto Mike for something someone else did a long time ago to O.

I can't stand how she stays STUCK in her wallowing misery and feel sorry for me attitude.

.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Andrea on October 21, 2010, 11:08:39 PM
I just finished watching all 3 parts of the interview.  I don't know if it was green-screened and I'm not sure what Oprah may know but here's what I'm thinking (I must admit that I have not yet read all the comments on this thread so I apologize if what I say is similar to what someone else may have said but this is my thought process  :) ).  I think if Michael is a master at manipulating the media, being a puppeteer, then would it not be entirely possible that Oprah is being manipulated herself by Michael, LMP and the entire Jackson family??  This interview takes place at LMP's home in England, Oprah went to the Jackson Encino home to see Katherine and the other Jacksons who were there - all on their turf, not Oprah's.  Oprah may not know (although she may have suspicions) that Michael faked his death.  She may be thinking of ratings - who would turn down an interview with Katherine Jackson or Lisa Marie??  And I'm sure Oprah is very interested in what these people say so she is also satisfying her own curiousity.  There seems to be so much going on with Oprah these days but that doesn't mean that she knows more than we do.  It's possible she knows even less but she is brought into the fold by those who are closest to Michael to prove a point.  I think this interview with Lisa Marie will make people understand Michael and feel empathy for him so maybe when he BAMs, perhaps there won't be such a huge backlash.  Let's face it - Oprah is very popular and a LOT of people will see this interview and the one with Katherine Jackson.  LMP and Katherine are helping the world better understand Michael and if it means using Oprah to convey their message then so be it.  It's just very interesting and telling to me that Lisa Marie mentions Michael being a master manipulator of the media to Oprah.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 11:12:03 PM
I keep looking at this picture...

It looks photoshopped to me, like her face has been stuck on there and her right hand just seems cut off. She also has something else besides the program in her left hand. There is some big puffy thing on her chest, I thought it might be a flower but it looks off. There is green astroturf on the ground behind her and I don't think they would have laid that down inside the mausoleum (or maybe they did?) but it was on the outside where the service was held. I can't figure out exactly where this picture is supposed to have been taken. There is some kind of stone thing behind her with a very short curtain. The flowers look different to me too and the crown isn't there. It is all just very weird  :?

(http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy67/droopinghalo/LMPCasket.jpg)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: looking4truth on October 21, 2010, 11:15:25 PM
This is just a theory I have after seeing this interview. Actually, I had this theory in the back of my mind but wanted further proof before I state it. I wonder if Oprah is also involved. Now before you curse me out, just follow me here. TMZ is a well known TABLOID website and we all know how Michael feels about tabloids so to probably most fans, TMZ would be a media format that MJ would be against so they would probably not think that TMZ and Michael would be working together on such a major endeavor. However, as TS and others pointed out, they are more than likely working together in some way. It could be indirect or direct but either way, TMZ is playing the role of the informative tabloid, which most would think, is going against Michael naturally since MJ HATED tabloids. You get where I'm going? If not, let me keep going. If this adventure was planned for years, then Michael may have enlisted some help early on for this and "puppeteered" their role in it. For most fans, Oprah would be someone against Michael. She would be playing the role of mainstream media, which is another thing I think Michael HATED. However, here she is...doing an interview with Lisa Marie Presley with orange and yellow on (matching the sunflowers), saying this is it at the end and making constant references to Michael and Elvis comparisons. Almost pushing the idea that Elvis and MJ's lives and deaths are parallel to one another. Perhaps, pushing more people to look up the parallels and possibly see ElvisandMJ.com website.

I could be TOTALLY wrong on this theory. Let me make this clear but I've read others hinted on this possible theory in this thread and other threads in the past and perhaps this theory is not so far-fetch. Like Prince said, you just never know...let's just wait it out. At this point, it would be safe not to judge anyone until all the facts are placed and the truth prevails.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: mrbigshot on October 21, 2010, 11:19:19 PM
I wish they could interview liz taylor once in a while, She has been as quiet as lisa has been since the "death," and i wouldn't be surprised if she had some stories to discuss...maclay culkin as well. One thing is for certain, after indulging in such an interview concerning this tragedy, Oprah had a tendency to show some strange mannerisms. I don't appreciate how many dirty looks she gave to lisa.

I think Michael's death actually came along as this:

Jermaine: Hey michael, TMZ reported your death not too long ago, is this true?

Michael: Not really.

Jermaine: Are you sure? you wanna give this death thing a shot?

Michael: Eh, might as well. Those sensationalistic tabloids get everything wrong, might as well leave it as it is for now.

Jermaine: alright I'll go make the statement.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
Quote from: "looking4truth"
This is just a theory I have after seeing this interview. Actually, I had this theory in the back of my mind but wanted further proof before I state it. I wonder if Oprah is also involved. Now before you curse me out, just follow me here. TMZ is a well known TABLOID website and we all know how Michael feels about tabloids so to probably most fans, TMZ would be a media format that MJ would be against so they would probably not think that TMZ and Michael would be working together on such a major endeavor. However, as TS and others pointed out, they are more than likely working together in some way. It could be indirect or direct but either way, TMZ is playing the role of the informative tabloid, which most would think, is going against Michael naturally since MJ HATED tabloids. You get where I'm going? If not, let me keep going. If this adventure was planned for years, then Michael may have enlisted some help early on for this and "puppeteered" their role in it. For most fans, Oprah would be someone against Michael. She would be playing the role of mainstream media, which is another thing I think Michael HATED. However, here she is...doing an interview with Lisa Marie Presley with orange and yellow on (matching the sunflowers), saying this is it at the end and making constant references to Michael and Elvis comparisons. Almost pushing the idea that Elvis and MJ's lives and deaths are parallel to one another. Perhaps, pushing more people to look up the parallels and possibly see ElvisandMJ.com website.

I could be TOTALLY wrong on this theory. Let me make this clear but I've read others hinted on this possible theory in this thread and other threads in the past and perhaps this theory is not so far-fetch. Like Prince said, you just never know...let's just wait it out. At this point, it would be safe not to judge anyone until all the facts are placed and the truth prevails.

Oprah is part of the NWO media machine she isn't part of the hoax IMO. She attended that meeting with Gates and other billionaires to push for more birth control especially in third world countries, she also is supposed to have attended Bilderberg meetings in the past.

Secret billionaire club seeks population control
Gates, Rockefeller, Turner, Oprah, Buffett, Soros, Bloomberg attend meeting
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=99105
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: hope on October 21, 2010, 11:31:40 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
I keep looking at this picture...

It looks photoshopped to me, like her face has been stuck on there and her right hand just seems cut off. She also has something else besides the program in her left hand. There is some big puffy thing on her chest, I thought it might be a flower but it looks off. There is green astroturf on the ground behind her and I don't think they would have laid that down inside the mausoleum (or maybe they did?) but it was on the outside where the service was held. I can't figure out exactly where this picture is supposed to have been taken. There is some kind of stone thing behind her with a very short curtain. The flowers look different to me too and the crown isn't there. It is all just very weird  :?

(http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy67/droopinghalo/LMPCasket.jpg)
I will try to explain this, but it is upsetting me a bit. Behind the green curtain would be the entrance for the casket, which would be lowered below, then encased.They would have put the curtain there to hide the hole. The green carpet perhaps is there to protect the floor. I would assume the crown would have been taken off when moving the casket inside the mausolium. I find this very unsettling. :(
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: msteetee34 on October 21, 2010, 11:35:23 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
I keep looking at this picture...

It looks photoshopped to me, like her face has been stuck on there and her right hand just seems cut off. She also has something else besides the program in her left hand. There is some big puffy thing on her chest, I thought it might be a flower but it looks off. There is green astroturf on the ground behind her and I don't think they would have laid that down inside the mausoleum (or maybe they did?) but it was on the outside where the service was held. I can't figure out exactly where this picture is supposed to have been taken. There is some kind of stone thing behind her with a very short curtain. The flowers look different to me too and the crown isn't there. It is all just very weird  :?

(http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy67/droopinghalo/LMPCasket.jpg)

This pic really look fake when taking a closer look.  The body looks kinda large to me to be Lisa Marie's body.  I know she put on a little weight but I don't think that's her body.  Look like her head put on someone else's body to me.  Look more like Debbie Rowe's body frame.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: hope on October 21, 2010, 11:39:37 PM
She is holding a flower in her left hand with the program and the flowers reflection is on the casket. her right hand looks to be on the side, not on top.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 21, 2010, 11:41:00 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
I keep looking at this picture...

It looks photoshopped to me, like her face has been stuck on there and her right hand just seems cut off. She also has something else besides the program in her left hand. There is some big puffy thing on her chest, I thought it might be a flower but it looks off. There is green astroturf on the ground behind her and I don't think they would have laid that down inside the mausoleum (or maybe they did?) but it was on the outside where the service was held. I can't figure out exactly where this picture is supposed to have been taken. There is some kind of stone thing behind her with a very short curtain. The flowers look different to me too and the crown isn't there. It is all just very weird  :?

(http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy67/droopinghalo/LMPCasket.jpg)
I will try to explain this, but it is upsetting me a bit. Behind the green curtain would be the entrance for the casket, which would be lowered below, then encased.They would have put the curtain there to hide the hole. The green carpet perhaps is there to protect the floor. I would assume the crown would have been taken off when moving the casket inside the mausolium. I find this very unsettling. :(

I don't mean to upset you; I apologize.

I feel Michael is alive so it seems that this is staged and not a real funeral to me.

If it is inside the mausoleum and LMP said she was the last person to be with the casket, then no one stayed for the actual internment? I find this very disturbing. I have never actually been to a funeral where someone was buried or interred in a crypt (my relatives have all been cremated) so is this the usual procedure?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: msteetee34 on October 21, 2010, 11:46:21 PM
Quote from: "anewfan"
This was just tweeted by Oprah....

Oprah
 OMG! Just had a SURPRISE date with Jackie Jackson. My teen idol hearthrob. Tried not to talk too much or eat too much. Succeeded at neither! 21 minutes ago via OpenBeak

Interesting.....I wonder what's up with that?

Yeah Oprah got a love Jones for Jackie she even told MJ that in the 1993 interview that she had a crush on Jackie.  I don't blame her.  He is a hot man to be almost 60.  I would get with Jackie over his son.lol  She probably leave Stedman old behind real fast for Jackie.  I like Jackie to because he got a sweet demeanor about him and he always seem mellow even when he get mad he talk all soft.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: hope on October 21, 2010, 11:50:18 PM
I want him to be alive too. And yes, that is the way they do it. However, I find it odd that NOBODY stayed for the interrment. ESPECIALLY with it being Michael Jackson. I feel he is alive as well. What I find unsettling is all the "real set-up"(curtain etc). I really dont find much odd with the picture except for 1 thing and that is....the picture seems to be taken from a slant downwards, like someone is standing on something looking down to take the picture. :?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: michaelsupporter on October 21, 2010, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
I keep looking at this picture...

It looks photoshopped to me, like her face has been stuck on there and her right hand just seems cut off. She also has something else besides the program in her left hand. There is some big puffy thing on her chest, I thought it might be a flower but it looks off. There is green astroturf on the ground behind her and I don't think they would have laid that down inside the mausoleum (or maybe they did?) but it was on the outside where the service was held. I can't figure out exactly where this picture is supposed to have been taken. There is some kind of stone thing behind her with a very short curtain. The flowers look different to me too and the crown isn't there. It is all just very weird  :?

(http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy67/droopinghalo/LMPCasket.jpg)

Serenity,

I agree with you....it does look rather "off". Plus, If this pic was literally taken inside the mausoleum one would think it illogical to view the casket from the crypt side, right????? According to the other pics with Jermaine speaking at the funeral, there is much more room as you approach the crypt/casket. Don't you agree?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: lovemj4everandever on October 22, 2010, 12:13:44 AM
Quote from: "msteetee34"
I'm looking at these pics of LMP at the funeral.  How come when she arrives it's clearly dark outside but when she sitting in the service it's still daylight in the other pic where she sitting next to her daughter?  How it's going go from being dark to daylight makes no sense.  

That's a brilliant observation!   :lol:  :lol:  So which "funeral" did she attend?  The one with trees or without trees?   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 22, 2010, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
As much as I hate to admit it, I seriously think I understand the kind of love hate relationship she and Michael had.  It was like she was talking about a man who happens to also be named Michael that I personally know and dated for a painful 4 years.  It was most unnerving and eerie to hear some of what she said because I have lived it myself :?   Especially the part about him being able to close the door emotionally and push people out of his life when he felt wronged.  I know that feeling and it is not literal.  It is like being somewhere so unwelcoming that you felt a force physically pushing you.  Its cold as ice.  Imagine being in love with someone who has built an invisible wall between you that you can't penetrate no matter how hard you try.  You feel that they have refrained from caring, excised you, and for all practical purposes, you no longer exist.  To them you are now invisible. You live together separately, no emotion, nothing. I can almost feel emphatic with her because I know EXACTLY what she was talking about.   Beautiful eyes that stare straight through you, cold and expressionless, as if you're not even there.  That hurts like hell.  Never want to experience that again :(
I lived this too. It's terrible  :( .
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: lovemj4everandever on October 22, 2010, 12:21:23 AM
I also agree that there are huge discrepancies in the background.  I'm not really hung up on the placement of the cups, and I do understand about the differences in the windows shot from different angles, but I cannot wrap my head around how the background behind Oprah's close-ups could possibly be real in relation to what we see in the "straight on" shots.  No matter how I try to accommodate for different angles, I don't see how this could possibly be so.   :?:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 22, 2010, 12:32:46 AM
Quote from: "TheRunningGirl"

If I was not a beLIEver, I would have felt sad watching this interview but then, I remember how much our dear TS insisted on the Elvis and MJ connection (A long, long time before the LMP interview was announced)... http://www.elvisandMJ.com (http://www.elvisandMJ.com), the media campaign...  I remember the clue about the MJ Holmsby home and the Elvis house being discovered and discussed...The many (and some very recent ones too) discussions about the media and the lessons they need to learn... and I feel so Happy that we, BeLIEvers, are being looked after so that our FAITH takes us to a day of his BAM.

With L.O.V.E

Elvis and MJ connection was obvious from the very beggining. In Randy's book "The magic and the madness" it was mentioned that episode when LMP and Michael talked about Elvis' death and Michael said he was afraid he will end up like her father.
I was reading the book last year after June 25th and that mentioning caught my attention.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 22, 2010, 12:35:00 AM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
I also agree that there are huge discrepancies in the background.  I'm not really hung up on the placement of the cups, and I do understand about the differences in the windows shot from different angles, but I cannot wrap my head around how the background behind Oprah's close-ups could possibly be real in relation to what we see in the "straight on" shots.  No matter how I try to accommodate for different angles, I don't see how this could possibly be so.   :?:
yes you are right...what's up with that green grass  :shock: ?! Shouldn't be there...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: applehead250609 on October 22, 2010, 12:37:49 AM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
@Applehead250609 not too sure what your entire post was about then..seemed like a recap of the past year and a half in one go??

Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
Flowers are not the same and like I said earlier, how is it REMOTELY possible that this casket pic has not surfaced over the last year?  To me, it honestly looks like LMP has been photoshopped into the photo or at the very least something is just way off about it.  Not only are the flowers not the same, but from what I see, the casket isn't the same, it seems to have different handles.  Behind the casket somewhere inbetween LMP and the green curtain in the back, it looks like a "green screen" set with the green carpet.  

Totally agree..the more I look at the stills the more I think...forest lawn funeral.
There is no way that LMP casket pic has been around since 09...NONE!!!

@hesouttamylife sorry for your experience *hugs*

I just want to know what the REAL reason is behind this Interview...because it isn't ground breaking info..she has spoken out about him before..to Oprah the witch Whinfrey so when someone knows...hook me up (Y) cause my head is in pain from processing information lol.


Hello Sinderella!!!! :D


My post was about three things:

About Michael collappse from 1995 ,wich I described, about how I KNEW Michael proposed  Lisa and some comments regarding THIS INTERVIEW wich I foud very strange after all this time,now that Lisa SEMMS HAPPY with her NEW FAMILY.
TO ME EVERYTHING REGARDING THIS INTERVIEW IS STRANGE and I will repeat myself again:


I have mixed feelings about this and about what its going on lately in "Michael's life"  ,but something its fishy that's for sure.We have alot of news about Michael ,but who its watching??????? WE,the Believers????? And maybe some fans ?
I am the only one who thinks that this is strange???? Why this is not on NATIONAL TV in every COUNTRY in this this WORLD??????   Everything that happened after 25 june last year,and that was positive about Michael was not for everyone to see,  .Yes I remember Michael 's words,GOOD NEWS DONT SELL,  .
I hope that all this CIRCUS is a part of the HOAX,otherwise it doesent make sense to me,not this and not the interview with Mj's parents and kids  .And about the drugs ,what was that ???? She now say the same things like Janet ,said????  Was he really on drugs,he who was against them????? Sorry but this is garbage,pure garbage.



LOVE YOU VERY MUCH!!!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: PinkTopaz on October 22, 2010, 12:55:25 AM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
I was just watching the 3rd video...and my fiance came in and watched for a minute then said, "is she making all that up?"... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

That's exactly what it felt like to me, like she was just telling stories...

And my intuition says that Oprah knows exactly what is going on. Especially from that last Elvis/MJ comparison.

Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Paula-C and All,

You are sooooo right. There are very few women who will not be able to recount-in full-every detail of their proposal. Yep, something is very, very fishy here!!!!!
:roll: It seems like people are always so happy to believe that- so before I become the idiot here, I'm not saying there's no chance it maybe wasn't a real marriage, but if it were, would it be so bad if MJ were actually happy and in love enough to be married, no matter what we think of the woman?? Sheesh..
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: chloead505 on October 22, 2010, 02:04:15 AM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
It's always been over the phone...i've seen,heard,and read numerous times about this particular proposal to Lisa...this is the first time i've heard differently.

And just a question...but this fire place she is on about....it isn't the one that 'MJ's ghost'walked past is it on CNN last summer?

[youtube:3a5hkog0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3EUA-DIkm4&p=A4C50860815D5BE9&playnext=1&index=13[/youtube:3a5hkog0]

Honestly,first thing that came into my head.
I might be tired..I might be on to something,not sure..but there you go...x

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: infinatetrinity on October 22, 2010, 03:26:46 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Ok, just watched the videos. I haven't read the thread yet, but here are my first thoughts:

I regained respect for LMP, she did a good job clearing the sky on this interview. I think she was as honest as she can be and she said good things about him. What I thought was strange was that she was avoiding eye-contact with Oprah, who again had to bring up the child molestation charges. Nice yellow (and orange) sunflowers. She hadn't spoken to him in a decade, she talked to him a lot during the second allegations. He proposed in the library? I thought she said before it was on the phone. And thank you Lisa for confirming the OBVIOUS similarities between Elvis and MJ. Good to hear from the horse's mouth Mike asked her all the details on Elvis' death.

Gonna read the thread now.


I agree with Souza.In this interview in my opinion LMP did a very good job answering all of Oprahs questions,and I felt with just listening to it from an outside view that LMP was trying to show the world what a good person Michael was.I don't feel she portrayed him in a bad light at all.She let all of us hear about Michael Jackson 'The Man' and he was human.So what if he did drugs at times,it didn't mean he was a drug addict and when she spoke of their conversations about her dad it helped lead her up to her response of just exactly how the 2 of them died in the exact same way which could easily have been a clue for us.I didn't see her saying anything wrong in this interview.As for the differences in when they last talked to each other where does anyone hear  LMP say it was over a decade ago?if you know then please direct me to the right part because I don't remember hearing LMP ever saying that instead I hear Oprah during the beginning when she is narrating saying it was over a decade since they spoke...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: simalves on October 22, 2010, 03:29:16 AM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
I also agree that there are huge discrepancies in the background.  I'm not really hung up on the placement of the cups, and I do understand about the differences in the windows shot from different angles, but I cannot wrap my head around how the background behind Oprah's close-ups could possibly be real in relation to what we see in the "straight on" shots.  No matter how I try to accommodate for different angles, I don't see how this could possibly be so.   :?:


But of course the windows are different. Look at the curtains, in one shot they touch the bottom of the window or the sill if that is what it is called. In the other it is longer than the window length and you see a pinkish wall. This could just be a big 3D TV at the back of the curtains that are real. The windows, the wall, the yellowish grass and the dull green grass are what is being shown on the TV.

There is an advert here that the guy is trying to seduce the girl showing her the lovely view from his apartment, his expensive wardrobe and his possessions, and as he succeeds in getting her to say yes to going out with him and steps out, he switches the TV's off and we see that it is actually just a tiny closed room with TV's lined up on the walls. Welcome to new 3D technology.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: simalves on October 22, 2010, 03:34:55 AM
If Michael really loved Lisa, could Xscape be about her??? Seems to fit

Girl - Sometimes I feel like
I've gotta get away

Michael - I tried to share my life with someone I could love
But games and money is all she ever thought of
How could that be my fault when she gambled and lost?
I'm tired of silly games,
It's time to make a change

Why is it I can't do whatever I want to?
Went in my personal life and I don't live for you
So don't you try to tell me what is right for me
You be concerned about you,
I can do what I want to
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MJonmind on October 22, 2010, 04:18:24 AM
The last 2 days a virus prevented me from going on the net, so I read stuff I had saved, and hadn't taken the time to really read it before. I read all the Glenda tapes again carefully (MJ -I'm convinced now), and the long LMP website that goes through their whole relationship date by date in great detail and it was so helpful. The Glenda tapes come probably months before the relationship with LMP begins. Then now I come home from work, system re-booted, and watched the Oprah interview, and read many of your comments. Wow!

My overall feeling is mostly positive. This is delicate surgery here, you can't rush in with Michael's wonderful, he's alive, he's innocent. People have to be transitioned in stages. This was a very positve link.  However even though Lisa said she didn't see him act inappropriately with children, she didn't say that he would never do that or tell stories of all the things he had done for children. Perhaps people might question now if MJ would really do that crime. She clearly showed that she loved him still and was not ashamed to say it. For Oprah to talk about Michael as in walking to the Light and almost wanting him to be her friend, I see it as her subtle way of expressing how she doesn't believe MJ is capable of harming a child. Especially when she tries so hard to draw the parallel of MJ to Elvis, something that would not be done if she felt he was guilty. Lisa does say she talked to him for several hours in 2005, which is true according to the LMP website. I think she is generally truthful, but what I noticed was again, airs of her own importance in trying to save him, as if he was a totally needy inept person not capable of making wise decisions, although she did say they were both stubborn. Was it the Brett artist that mentioned about seeing Michael wandering around Neverland drunk? Can't remember. But Lisa saying she though MJ was higher than a kite during part of the Bashir interview, might explain why we thought we saw 2 different Michaels, explaining away the doubles dilemna. Makes sense. However even though they dwell a lot on MJ's drug problem, I still believe in my heart that just having a little too much to drink does not mean he died of an overdose--but they're leaning heavily on it to convince everyone of his logical cause of death. But then why mention that MJ named people he thought wanted him dead. :?

For the hoax, besides the visible things like the sunflowers, the talk of MJ's creative power in manipulating a relationship and the media were telling. She seemed to say MJ had forknowedge of his death being similar to Elvis, implying special powers. He had to die for her to know she really loved him--relates to all of us deepening our love for him after June 25. She said he had named names of who was going to kill him and she won't say, and then Oprah says, "This is It".

Serenitys_Dream, interesting about the necklace. Just wanted to add a verse about pearls.
Quote
Matthew 13:44-46 (King James Version)
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Interesting that this interview came at a time when things were getting quiet around here. :lol:  I just love MJ and his knowing just how to tickle our imaginations steadily for 16 months! I'm thinking no matter how long this will take till the BAM, MJ's going to stick with us for the journey. Yea!! :D
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 22, 2010, 05:24:01 AM
Quote from: "applehead250609"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
@Applehead250609 not too sure what your entire post was about then..seemed like a recap of the past year and a half in one go??

Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
Flowers are not the same and like I said earlier, how is it REMOTELY possible that this casket pic has not surfaced over the last year?  To me, it honestly looks like LMP has been photoshopped into the photo or at the very least something is just way off about it.  Not only are the flowers not the same, but from what I see, the casket isn't the same, it seems to have different handles.  Behind the casket somewhere inbetween LMP and the green curtain in the back, it looks like a "green screen" set with the green carpet.  

Totally agree..the more I look at the stills the more I think...forest lawn funeral.
There is no way that LMP casket pic has been around since 09...NONE!!!

@hesouttamylife sorry for your experience *hugs*

I just want to know what the REAL reason is behind this Interview...because it isn't ground breaking info..she has spoken out about him before..to Oprah the witch Whinfrey so when someone knows...hook me up (Y) cause my head is in pain from processing information lol.


Hello Sinderella!!!! :D


My post was about three things:

About Michael collappse from 1995 ,wich I described, about how I KNEW Michael proposed  Lisa and some comments regarding THIS INTERVIEW wich I foud very strange after all this time,now that Lisa SEMMS HAPPY with her NEW FAMILY.
TO ME EVERYTHING REGARDING THIS INTERVIEW IS STRANGE and I will repeat myself again:


I have mixed feelings about this and about what its going on lately in "Michael's life"  ,but something its fishy that's for sure.We have alot of news about Michael ,but who its watching??????? WE,the Believers????? And maybe some fans ?
I am the only one who thinks that this is strange???? Why this is not on NATIONAL TV in every COUNTRY in this this WORLD??????   Everything that happened after 25 june last year,and that was positive about Michael was not for everyone to see,  .Yes I remember Michael 's words,GOOD NEWS DONT SELL,  .
I hope that all this CIRCUS is a part of the HOAX,otherwise it doesent make sense to me,not this and not the interview with Mj's parents and kids  .And about the drugs ,what was that ???? She now say the same things like Janet ,said????  Was he really on drugs,he who was against them????? Sorry but this is garbage,pure garbage.



LOVE YOU VERY MUCH!!!

HELLO TO YOU TOO!! haha :)

Thanks for the recap/short version,I was tired and it just wasn't making sense to me but clarity has returned and yes I agree...garbage being the polite and cleaner word to use..is spot on.
As I said previously,if this ISN'T to do with the hoax/plan/production Michael has going on and really is just LMP and Oprah having a good old chin wag....I don't see the point.It has all been said before now and 14yrs after the fact makes NO sense.The only difference now is that LMP has changed some of her stories details around and seems to have to pause to answer and as for oprah..someone else(sorry can't recall who you are) said if Oprah was there to really give an interview-why not ask about Eliza?and talk about her own father who was again as someone said-a walking pharmacy.The whole interview was unnesassary and pointless if it wasn't to benefit Michael.So I hope it was or I just wasted an hour of my life watching it.LOL.

Nothing within the surroundings is coherent.It is a total set up.
The outside changes,the bench vanishes,it does look like it is in a mirrored view with that chest with the EYE shaped box on,the sunflowers,her body language-it needs an expert to look at it,And to top all that off.......this random picture of her next to the casket has just emerged almost a year and half after the event...no no no.....Just no.
I have also got problems understanding her motives when the fact is, she is now happily married,got kids with him,seems to be on some sort of normal happy life path....and then goes on Oprah and says he was her favourite human being since her father and he made her feel intoxicated and she realised she'd made a mistake.The other guy must be at home going..nice,thanks for that WIFE.Why cause a rift in your current marriage over one that happened over a decade a go..for an Oprah show?

Makes no sense.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: angel on October 22, 2010, 06:37:44 AM
I get the feeling we are supposed to notice all the contradictions, discrepancies, etc.......
Dots of TMZ, now Dots of Oprah. ;)   Made me think of the movie "Clue" and the "what's wrong with this picture" pages.  Wonder what else will happen "in the library by the fireplace"?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 22, 2010, 06:42:29 AM
something no one else has touched on that i have noticed. the kind of long drawn out part about lisa feeling guilty throughout their marraige for this relationship having broken up her marriage and family. to me that is somethng i have always wondered about. does it fit the perspective of michael that he would persue a married woman? seeing how joe had treated his mother in this matter. any thoughts?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 22, 2010, 06:46:38 AM
Quote from: "angel"
I get the feeling we are supposed to notice all the contradictions, discrepancies, etc.......
Dots of TMZ, now Dots of Oprah. ;)   Made me think of the movie "Clue" and the "what's wrong with this picture" pages.  Wonder what else will happen "in the library by the fireplace"?

weren't there questions about the video of katherine hawking her book that some wondered if it was at neverland and about a fireplace or was that a bookshelf :?

although the neverland ghost thing sounds like a good reason.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Tink.I.Am on October 22, 2010, 06:51:06 AM
Quote from: "chloead505"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
It's always been over the phone...i've seen,heard,and read numerous times about this particular proposal to Lisa...this is the first time i've heard differently.

And just a question...but this fire place she is on about....it isn't the one that 'MJ's ghost'walked past is it on CNN last summer?

[youtube:1wr5cuc7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3EUA-DIkm4&p=A4C50860815D5BE9&playnext=1&index=13[/youtube:1wr5cuc7]

Honestly,first thing that came into my head.
I might be tired..I might be on to something,not sure..but there you go...x

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
neverland has many "fireplaces"... but  the one in the library  should be this one...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 22, 2010, 06:54:13 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "angel"
I get the feeling we are supposed to notice all the contradictions, discrepancies, etc.......
Dots of TMZ, now Dots of Oprah. ;)   Made me think of the movie "Clue" and the "what's wrong with this picture" pages.  Wonder what else will happen "in the library by the fireplace"?

weren't there questions about the video of katherine hawking her book that some wondered if it was at neverland and about a fireplace or was that a bookshelf :?

although the neverland ghost thing sounds like a good reason.


I'm sticking with the Ghost haha

I'd also like to put this out there:
At the funerals and throughout this whole thing we all know about the Liberian Girl connection...

(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/14100000/Liberian-Girl-liberian-girl-14134396-300-287.jpg)

This is the photo still used throughout the hoax and on the funeral programme's  right^^ ?
Looks like he is leaning on a fireplace to me.
I mean if that laptop had a webcam,or he is some way was behind this interview..that would also be keeping with the LG theme,of him being there the whole time..behind the scenes.

Just a thought
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 22, 2010, 07:02:45 AM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "angel"
I get the feeling we are supposed to notice all the contradictions, discrepancies, etc.......
Dots of TMZ, now Dots of Oprah. ;)   Made me think of the movie "Clue" and the "what's wrong with this picture" pages.  Wonder what else will happen "in the library by the fireplace"?

weren't there questions about the video of katherine hawking her book that some wondered if it was at neverland and about a fireplace or was that a bookshelf :?

although the neverland ghost thing sounds like a good reason.


I'm sticking with the Ghost haha

I'd also like to put this out there:
At the funerals and throughout this whole thing we all know about the Liberian Girl connection...

(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/14100000/Liberian-Girl-liberian-girl-14134396-300-287.jpg)

This is the photo still used throughout the hoax and on the funeral programme's  right^^ ?
Looks like he is leaning on a fireplace to me.

especially since the little tidbit with the kids saying they wanted to be in his next ghost movie ;) but then there are all the hints of thriller.
a thriller of a ghost story :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 22, 2010, 07:06:39 AM
He said in 2008 in an interview he wanted his first proper movie to be Thriller-the movie
and then Latoya confirmed it in 2009 when he 'died' saying he'd been reading books on directing and Thriller was going to be his first one.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sandythyme on October 22, 2010, 07:23:13 AM
Just a couple of things I want to throw out there about the interview.  I thought Lisa was respectful and sincere.  I noticed the non eye contact with Oprah, that could just mean she is shy and doesn't like to be "out there", center of attention as she mentioned.  I liked the fact that she showed Michael in a positive light.  He had his moments, but she also had her moments.  It was important that Lisa admitted her mistakes.  Why it took this long to understand him.....Well at least  it happened.  The proposal - as stated we heard it was done over the phone.  So now he pulls out a 10 carat diamond AND I THINK HE GOT DOWN ON HIS KNEES to propose as well.  Sorry, but I think I would remember if a man got down on his knees to propose marriage to me.  Now maybe because she has been married a few times....I don't know.  I just know I would remember.  Finally the last conversation that they had in 2005, Michael  said he was afraid  someone was going to murder him for his catalog and estate.  Lisa said he gave her names, but she wouldn't mention them.  Why would a mother of four, admit on national television that she knows the names of the people that Michael suspected would try to kill him?  That's crazy, that would be putting Lisa and her family in danger. My thoughts on the interview, I am glad it happened.  It was done to clear the air.  But some comments just didn't make sense to me.  Take care, Love to All.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: looking4truth on October 22, 2010, 08:23:34 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"

Oprah is part of the NWO media machine she isn't part of the hoax IMO. She attended that meeting with Gates and other billionaires to push for more birth control especially in third world countries, she also is supposed to have attended Bilderberg meetings in the past.

Secret billionaire club seeks population control
Gates, Rockefeller, Turner, Oprah, Buffett, Soros, Bloomberg attend meeting
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=99105

Again, I could be wrong with my theory but ever heard of the saying, keep your friends close and your enemies closer? Perhaps, she is going along with the agenda, for now, just to figure out what that agenda is OR perhaps you are right, she could be totally not on MJ's side at all. You do have great reason to think that but since I do not know her nor know her true relationship with MJ and those around MJ, I am still going to have to be open to that idea but I do thank you for the info. I'll check it out. Until I get the truth, I'm open to pretty much any possibility. This "hoax" can be much bigger than what any one expected.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: looking4truth on October 22, 2010, 08:24:15 AM
Oh I had a dream last night that Oprah basically said she was a believer in the hoax.  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 22, 2010, 08:36:41 AM
I can understand Lisa Marie not making eye contact with Oprah because when you are in an interview with someone as probing as Oprah, the only way to keep from becoming distracted and be able to stay your ground and not be swayed, especially if you are shy or if the interview is very personal to you, is to look elsewhere.  Once you allow the person to probe and intimidate you, your answers become broken and not as strong as you want them to be.  I honestly think Lisa Marie did a very good job.  She says that she will never talk about Michael in an interview setting again.  I believe her.   :(
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 22, 2010, 08:45:53 AM
PinkTopaz nobody is saying that Michael has no nght to be happy with the person he wishes to be, what happens is that for some people and to me is suspect, the only document signed and sealed we have seen as a marriage certificate not is is an affidavit, there is a marriage in which incidentally are not signatures or stamps, has anyone seen the divorce decree?, and now the LMP contradiction in saying that Michael asked him to Neverland with marriage the chimney, I try to be objective.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 22, 2010, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
I can understand Lisa Marie not making eye contact with Oprah because when you are in an interview with someone as probing as Oprah, the only way to keep from becoming distracted and be able to stay your ground and not be swayed, especially if you are shy or if the interview is very personal to you, is to look elsewhere.  Once you allow the person to probe and intimidate you, your answers become broken and not as strong as you want them to be.  I honestly think Lisa Marie did a very good job.  She says that she will never talk about Michael in an interview setting again.  I believe her.   :(

so in effect this has put her in a position in the future to say i have said all i am going to say about michael jackson and not raise any suspicion ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 22, 2010, 08:59:14 AM
Lisa Marie says she never suspected that Michael had problems with drugs during the marriage, although she remembers the incident of the trial of HBO, said that did not know what was going on, then later she says "when we were together, we were really in the love and had hard times, says she "looked medicines and medical Out" and was scared. this is contradictory and once again a point in favor of Murray, now everyone, Lisa Marie and family talk about addiction
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 22, 2010, 09:14:36 AM
Quote from: "sandythyme"
Just a couple of things I want to throw out there about the interview.  I thought Lisa was respectful and sincere.  I noticed the non eye contact with Oprah, that could just mean she is shy and doesn't like to be "out there", center of attention as she mentioned.  I liked the fact that she showed Michael in a positive light.  He had his moments, but she also had her moments.  It was important that Lisa admitted her mistakes.  Why it took this long to understand him.....Well at least  it happened.  The proposal - as stated we heard it was done over the phone.  So now he pulls out a 10 carat diamond AND I THINK HE GOT DOWN ON HIS KNEES to propose as well.  Sorry, but I think I would remember if a man got down on his knees to propose marriage to me.  Now maybe because she has been married a few times....I don't know.  I just know I would remember.  Finally the last conversation that they had in 2005, Michael  said he was afraid  someone was going to murder him for his catalog and estate.  Lisa said he gave her names, but she wouldn't mention them.  Why would a mother of four, admit on national television that she knows the names of the people that Michael suspected would try to kill him?  That's crazy, that would be putting Lisa and her family in danger. My thoughts on the interview, I am glad it happened.  It was done to clear the air.  But some comments just didn't make sense to me.  Take care, Love to All.

I agree with you. You don't just forget how someone proposes, I thought that was strange as well. And the thing about someone wanting to murder Michael, that statement was VERY telling in my opinion. It's almost as if there were certain things she was 'supposed to' get in the interview, like certain phrases or certain talking points that "someone" instructed her to do (he 'manipulated' her, but she 'understands it now'). And the catalog/estate/murder comment was basically confirming to us that he HAD REASON TO FAKE HIS DEATH. She always confirms that she loves him, he didn't molest children, and that it took her awhile to wrap her mind around him being gone...aka...the hoax.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ER911 on October 22, 2010, 09:28:30 AM
I've watched Oprah for years & although I've lost some respect for her, I've also found that rather than bashing her, it's just as easy to turn the channel. I wanted to say this because so many people, especially on twitter had a field day bashing Oprah & will probably continue through out the future interviews pertaining to the Jacksons.

I guess I just cannot comprehend why people will bash a person & then tune in:)

With reference to this particular interview, I too agree with many here, that it was done in good taste.

The only statement that I found a bit disturbing was the one from Lisa herself. Oprah was questioning her as to why Lisa would now come forward for the interview. Lisa does a bit of hem hauling saying that she needs to do this in order to move forward, but then reverses & states that, yes, she is doing the interview in order to prevent any future questions pertaining to Michael because she has an album coming out next year.

She stated that she did not want conversations inverted as had been done to her in the past, to "cross" with her initial purpose for interviews.

I wish she had simply started by saying she was doing the interview in order to move forward in her life, rather than ending on that note.

She could have then concluded the interview by stating that she hoped this would answer any questions people may have as she does not want any further questions concerning Michael when her album comes out next year.

I don't think it interfered with her interview, but I do think it overshadowed it, because it seemed to be her primary reason for doing the interview as she stated in the beginning of the interview.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 22, 2010, 09:51:31 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
I can understand Lisa Marie not making eye contact with Oprah because when you are in an interview with someone as probing as Oprah, the only way to keep from becoming distracted and be able to stay your ground and not be swayed, especially if you are shy or if the interview is very personal to you, is to look elsewhere.  Once you allow the person to probe and intimidate you, your answers become broken and not as strong as you want them to be.  I honestly think Lisa Marie did a very good job.  She says that she will never talk about Michael in an interview setting again.  I believe her.   :(

so in effect this has put her in a position in the future to say i have said all i am going to say about michael jackson and not raise any suspicion ;)


I was thinking that same thing...Suspicious mind! I think she will have a record coming out later, and by making that statement, she can get out of having to answer questions about MJ. (He will of course have BAMMED by that time..IMO)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: lovemj4everandever on October 22, 2010, 10:02:24 AM
Tweet from Jackie Jackson moments ago

JackieJackson5
 
Just finished taping the Oprah show. The show is about Teenage Heart Throbs - & I was Oprah's! We had lots of fun - watch the show Nov 4th
less than a minute ago via TweetDeck

Oprah's tweet yesterday said she had a SURPRISE date with Jackie.

Does it seem to anyone else that, against all odds, The Jacksons are definitely in cahoots with Oprah?   :?:  :idea:  Maybe Michael really is using her in this "HIStory in the Making" saga....
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MeandMyShadow on October 22, 2010, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
Tweet from Jackie Jackson moments ago

JackieJackson5
 
Just finished taping the Oprah show. The show is about Teenage Heart Throbs - & I was Oprah's! We had lots of fun - watch the show Nov 4th
less than a minute ago via TweetDeck

Oprah's tweet yesterday said she had a SURPRISE date with Jackie.

Does it seem to anyone else that, against all odds, The Jacksons are definitely in cahoots with Oprah?   :?:  :idea:  Maybe Michael really is using her in this "HIStory in the Making" saga....

I was thinking the same thing.  And, perhaps this Oprah interviewing is all taking place at this time because the new album is coming out next month?  Getting publicity, even if it is with Oprah?  Just a thought.

And, maybe I am cynical, but I just don't believe all of what LMP spoke about.  They were in love, but he basically says, if you will not give me children, Debbie is waiting on the sidelines to fill the spot?  Pleeeeease, what kind of *real* marriage would put up with that, even if it were MJ.  Remember, she's not like a star struck fan, who would do anything just to be near him.  Would she really put up with that?  And, if they were truly in love, would she be going on vacations with her ex husband, even if it were just a platonic thing?  I mean, they were only married a year and a half (according to this interview) they should still be in the honeymoon stage of their marriage, especially if they weren't together a lot of the time.  Just doesn't sound real to me, just my opinion.  

And why now?  Why does she say how much they were in love, after a decade and after he is dead.  And why at the other interview she states, "Holy mother of God, what was I thinking?"  I wiil never forget those words.  

Maybe she feels bad about how things turned out and wants to make things right, but seems a little late to me.  Could it be that she's been getting hate mail or something?  Or, she did reveal she is going to release an album next year, perhaps she wants to get on MJ's fans good side?  


But the thing that bothered me the most was when she talked about whether or not she believed he did anything to those accusers.  She said to her knowledge, nothing ever happened.  That the only people who really know are MJ and the person in the room.  Well, duh, that is obvious.  But how many times has Jermaine stated MJ is 1000 percent innocent.  He obviously doesn't know for a  fact, he wasn't in the room, yet he states profatically that he is 1000 percent innocent.  Why couldn't she do the same?   She left that little seed of doubt for people.   :evil:  And that makes me angry.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MsTrinity333 on October 22, 2010, 10:25:17 AM
Three things:

1.  Lisa didn't say it was almost a decade since she talked to Michael; OPRAH did.  Lisa said they had a long telephone conversation in 05.

2.  I've watched the interview twice on a large HD screen.  As a former photographer I can tell you these are NOT different sets; they are different camera angles.  The shorter windows are FLANKING the floor length ones on BOTH sides.  In the segment where Oprah asks if there were things Spoken or Unspoken in the marriage you can see both sets of windows to Oprah's right.  And in another angle focusing on Lisa talking (about the Elvis parallels I believe) you can see both sets of windows to Lisa's left.  PS the box on the table center of the screen is not an eye.  It's a diamond shape as is the STONE set in the center... it looks African?

3.  Casket picture.  You can see a hint of purple (Iris) to the right of the glove at the edge of the frame...again, it's just the camera angle.  I don't think it's photo shopped; I see her reflection on the casket.

L.O.V.E. Eternally
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: shelby61 on October 22, 2010, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: "sandythyme"
...Finally the last conversation that they had in 2005, Michael  said he was afraid  someone was going to murder him for his catalog and estate.  Lisa said he gave her names, but she wouldn't mention them.  Why would a mother of four, admit on national television that she knows the names of the people that Michael suspected would try to kill him?  That's crazy, that would be putting Lisa and her family in danger. My thoughts on the interview, I am glad it happened.  It was done to clear the air.  But some comments just didn't make sense to me.  Take care, Love to All.

There was a few other people that said they knew who killed MJ.... LaToya for one (I think) -- were there any others?  I cannot recall lol...so much information to sort out lol....it seems some know who killed him and some don't.  It really does sound the game "Clue" as someone mentioned earlier.  Maybe that was one of  MJ's favourite games as a child.

Basically, I think LMP tried to clear to clear the air about her marriage to MJ in the 90's. The questions very scripted and they didn't veer of course very much. The colour of LMP's dress was purple. Didn't Kenny O tweet about purple and that it represented anti-bullying day. Also, don't forget Oprah did the movie The Color Purple.

"The Color Purple is a story of hope, a testatment to the healing power of love and a celebration of life".  The Broadway musical is now on a US tour.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: lovemj4everandever on October 22, 2010, 10:43:05 AM
One last thought on this for now....since I'm a 10000000000000000000000% beLIEver that Michael is alive and it's pretty obvious the Jacksons and Oprah are in cahoots, given the Jacksons interviews, Jackie's tweet this morning, Oprah's tweet yesterday, LMP saying things that make no sense such as she knows who Michael thought was going to kill him but is not involved in a police investigation LOL, strange camera work, etc......

I think maybe the purpose in all the Jacksons and LMP going to OPRAH is to spread news of the HOAX to the Oprah boards!  I think I will post there later today.  In my way of thinking, this just has to be in the plan.  Millions of people read the Oprah blogs so what better way to spread word of the HOAX just as MJ's DVD set, MJ's album, MJ's game, etc. are all going to be released over the next few weeks and including the lead up to the preliminary hearing for the "fall guy" for the hoax.   The more I think about this - I personally am certain of it!  Anyone with me?   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Let's take our MESSAGE to the OPRAH blogs!   :lol:

p.s.  It will be interesting to see if the moderators at Oprah's blog/boards let's the "hoax" messengers post.   ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: shelby61 on October 22, 2010, 10:53:50 AM
One other thing, I asked my hubby who is very much into photography and knows his cameras and angles, etc. about that picture of LMP with the casket.  He says it is a picture that was taken a long ways away because of the clarity of the flowers as opposed to the object they were trying to photograph (which is LMP).. overall though he said that the photo was a fake.

So two major players are retiring from their current positions and that is Larry King and Oprah.  They will be off doing other things now.  Larry has not posted a new blog since August -- which is very strange since there has been so much news since then about Michael and he used to post 2 to 3 blogs a day sometimes.  On the other spectrum, Oprah has been very quiet since MJ's "death" and then all of a sudden, she is interviewing MJ's ex-wife who says this will be her only interview about Michael?

I believe piece by piece MJ is being revealed.  These interviews and stories (more of course are coming out positive about Michael) are part of the whole reveal process.  You know some reality shows do run for four or so years...so this is one big show about the Greatest Entertainer of our Time....he is a real genius.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: looking4truth on October 22, 2010, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: "shelby61"
One other thing, I asked my hubby who is very much into photography and knows his cameras and angles, etc. about that picture of LMP with the casket.  He says it is a picture that was taken a long ways away because of the clarity of the flowers as opposed to the object they were trying to photograph (which is LMP).. overall though he said that the photo was a fake.

So two major players are retiring from their current positions and that is Larry King and Oprah.  They will be off doing other things now.  Larry has not posted a new blog since August -- which is very strange since there has been so much news since then about Michael and he used to post 2 to 3 blogs a day sometimes.  On the other spectrum, Oprah has been very quiet since MJ's "death" and then all of a sudden, she is interviewing MJ's ex-wife who says this will be her only interview about Michael?

I believe piece by piece MJ is being revealed.  These interviews and stories (more of course are coming out positive about Michael) are part of the whole reveal process.  You know some reality shows do run for four or so years...so this is one big show about the Greatest Entertainer of our Time....he is a real genius.

I forgot about this but you're right. Thanks for bringing that back up again.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 22, 2010, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
One last thought on this for now....since I'm a 10000000000000000000000% beLIEver that Michael is alive and it's pretty obvious the Jacksons and Oprah are in cahoots, given the Jacksons interviews, Jackie's tweet this morning, Oprah's tweet yesterday, LMP saying things that make no sense such as she knows who Michael thought was going to kill him but is not involved in a police investigation LOL, strange camera work, etc......

I think maybe the purpose in all the Jacksons and LMP going to OPRAH is to spread news of the HOAX to the Oprah boards!  I think I will post there later today.  In my way of thinking, this just has to be in the plan.  Millions of people read the Oprah blogs so what better way to spread word of the HOAX just as MJ's DVD set, MJ's album, MJ's game, etc. are all going to be released over the next few weeks and including the lead up to the preliminary hearing for the "fall guy" for the hoax.   The more I think about this - I personally am certain of it!  Anyone with me?   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Let's take our MESSAGE to the OPRAH blogs!   :lol:

I'm with you on spreading the message and getting more people to believe 100%
HOWEVER I do think Oprah could have apologised like she apparently was going to-and hasn't,she could of NOT slipped LMP's show inbetween shows on child molestation,and I think she would be getting less of a hard time.People probably would have gained a tiny shred of respect for her and listen to what she and the people on her show have to say regarding this whole production-(i like that term better than hoax.)
Whether she is in on it or not, morally...she needs to say sorry.But she can't because clearly she still associates him with his trial all those years ago...and that is 1.absurd and 2.keeps her on the level with the lowest of the low for whom I have no time for.

Michael,his children,fans and friends all deserve that apology from her for what she did to him...and then we can all get along (Y)
If she is on it all,it wouldn't have hurt the grand scheme of things to retract her wrong doing??

Just my view.Having the majority of MJ's fans hating her is not an achievment.




IN OTHER NEWS someone interview Diana Ross already....surely she is due a session with Oprah or Larry before they retire.PRIME VIEWING OPP.Liz wouldn't go a miss either,I'd watch that and give my viewer rating points instead of seeing it on youtube ha.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: shelby61 on October 22, 2010, 12:46:32 PM
It is quite possible that this was taped awhile back.  We may want to check out to see recent pictures of Oprah and LMP (for instance:  is their hair the same and the weight the same).  Perhaps this is why there is no apology from Oprah.   We know that Oprah yo yo's on her weight.   Of course LMP has kept pretty quiet and out of the limelight since MJ's "death" so it may be hard to find recent pics of her....just a thought ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: cin_pyt on October 22, 2010, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: "sandythyme"
Just a couple of things I want to throw out there about the interview.  I thought Lisa was respectful and sincere.  I noticed the non eye contact with Oprah, that could just mean she is shy and doesn't like to be "out there", center of attention as she mentioned.  I liked the fact that she showed Michael in a positive light.  He had his moments, but she also had her moments.  It was important that Lisa admitted her mistakes.  Why it took this long to understand him.....Well at least  it happened.  The proposal - as stated we heard it was done over the phone.  So now he pulls out a 10 carat diamond AND I THINK HE GOT DOWN ON HIS KNEES to propose as well.  Sorry, but I think I would remember if a man got down on his knees to propose marriage to me.  Now maybe because she has been married a few times....I don't know.  I just know I would remember.  Finally the last conversation that they had in 2005, Michael  said he was afraid  someone was going to murder him for his catalog and estate.  Lisa said he gave her names, but she wouldn't mention them.  Why would a mother of four, admit on national television that she knows the names of the people that Michael suspected would try to kill him?  That's crazy, that would be putting Lisa and her family in danger. My thoughts on the interview, I am glad it happened.  It was done to clear the air.  But some comments just didn't make sense to me.  Take care, Love to All.

I AGREE WITH YOU. OKAY NOW IF LMP, TOYA ETC KNOW NAMES WHY ARE THEY TAKING FOREVER TO SOLVE THIS? PLZ! IT MAKES NO SENSE OH I KNOW BUT I WON'T SAY. NOW, IF THE PERSON OR PERSONS ARE OUT THERE VIEW LMP, TOYA, AND THE BROTHERS AS THREATS? SERIOUSLY, THE MAN IS FINE AND MAYBE YES THERE WAS SOME BAD PPL AROUND HIM BUT THE MAN IS SAFE.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 22, 2010, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: "shelby61"
It is quite possible that this was taped awhile back.  We may want to check out to see recent pictures of Oprah and LMP (for instance:  is their hair the same and the weight the same).  Perhaps this is why there is no apology from Oprah.   We know that Oprah yo yo's on her weight.   Of course LMP has kept pretty quiet and out of the limelight since MJ's "death" so it may be hard to find recent pics of her....just a thought ;)


It was supposed to have been filmed the other week while they were both in London.
google:
(http://cdn.showbizspy.com/static/lisamarie.jpg) August 20th 2010
(http://www.skinnyvscurvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Lisa-Marie-Presley-weight.jpg) March 11th 2010
(http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20091111/300.winfrey.oprah.lc.111109.jpg) Sept 2010
(http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00350/oprah_350902a.jpg) April 2010


Any help?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ForstAMoon on October 22, 2010, 01:41:16 PM
the first picture of LMP is from 2008

The 25th William S. Paley TV Festival - Elvis 68 Comeback Special on the 40th Anniversary
Venue & Location: Arclight Theater / Hollywood, CA USA
Event Date:03/14/2008
Photographer: © GL / PR Photos

the second one is from October 2009.

let me find the sources for those.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 22, 2010, 01:51:46 PM
Google...go figure.
I don't have my own private stash of LMP pics TBH lol.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ForstAMoon on October 22, 2010, 01:54:24 PM
:)

first one
http://www.topnews.in/node/29988 (http://www.topnews.in/node/29988)

second one
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/a ... nce-mix.do (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23756433-lisa-marie-isnt-thrilled-by-mahikis-dance-mix.do)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on October 22, 2010, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: "thevoice"
You're right Oprah didnt back Obama or use her influence within and outside the black commnunity to help, finance and support the emergence of one of the greatest  leaders of our time, rallying incredible amount of young and first time voters who made the difference....she stayed home hating on MJ i guess.

I am a little shock at the hate towards Oprah. I can understand people might dislike her but hate?  A certain Sneddon  had the very same feeling once...Where's the L.O.V.E in all this?


I don't think she is projecting the blame on her past as an  abuse survivor on MJ specifically, I think she'll always be suspiscous of any person in Mike's predicament. Whatever she might say. But If they dont want to deal with her, why go to her?



What? We have Oprah to thank for Obama? What a joke!

 What I highlighted in your comment above is exactly what O said in her interview with Access Hollywood.

I am a childhood abuse survivor and I would never allow my past to influence and cloud my judgement towards an INNOCENT MAN!

What she did and what your saying is projecting the blame onto Mike for something someone else did a long time ago to O.

I can't stand how she stays STUCK in her wallowing misery and feel sorry for me attitude.

"I am a little shock at the hate towards Oprah. I can understand people might dislike her but hate?  A certain Sneddon  had the very same feeling once...Where's the L.O.V.E in all this?"

Um,

First I never used the word Hate towards O. I am highly dissappointed in her behaviour towards Michael and the fact that she continues to make inuendos towards hinting at the possibility of his guilt to influence public perception. That's what "Media Mind Control" is all about. Influencing public opinion and perception.

As you realize she is a power mogul with her show and Millions of impressionable minds are being influenced to continue to think Michael was a molester despite the fact he was found NOT Guilty In a court of law.

Even going as far as to ask Lisa about the accusations and does she think he was guilty?...and Lisa's answer was to leave an impression in people's minds she may very well think he's guilty.

Lisa answered:  "Honestly I have know way of knowing if he did, I wasn't there" something like that.

Instead she should of said: "No doubt in my mind he was/is INNOCENT and found NOT GUILTY!" If she truly wanted to set that record straight.

Do not compare me to Snake Sneddon,
Obama is what?

Might I suggest you read up on Obama and his puppeteers.
The forum is full of good info.

As for your last question...
Why shouldn't Mike or anyone else for that matter use O's show as a medium and a stage to get your message out to her Millions of viewers.
Peace[/b]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: angelshadow on October 22, 2010, 02:13:43 PM
Here still pictures of Lisa (recently)
http://fadedblog.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/lisa-marie-presley-is-all-shook-up/
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MJonmind on October 22, 2010, 02:25:13 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
something no one else has touched on that i have noticed. the kind of long drawn out part about lisa feeling guilty throughout their marraige for this relationship having broken up her marriage and family. to me that is somethng i have always wondered about. does it fit the perspective of michael that he would persue a married woman? seeing how joe had treated his mother in this matter. any thoughts?

According to the LMP site, Lisa was the one who pursued MJ relentlessly, and I mean hounded Brett, others and MJ to get together and show an interest in him personally as well as for her getting her singing a boost up. MJ was totally not intersted in the beginning at all, in fact even said, Lisa, she can't sing. It was only after a long friendship and Lisa's persistent interest that MJ thought about her in a romantic way. Now the question is not why would MJ date a married woman, but why would Lisa relentlessly pursue a another single man while married.

Also in the LMP site someone had asked MJ about making her do or say something (I forget), and MJ said nobody tells Lisa what to say or do. If fact that was the basis of most of their fights, Lisa telling MJ what to do and him resisting, and if MJ did something against her wishes, all hell broke loose. Apparantly they had one of their first huge fights right after the MTV kiss. Lisa didn't want to do it and MJ said the audience would love it and it would be good for publicity. He did it and she was furious with him. Things totally fell apart right after the Diane Sawyer interview, where you could already see she was sulking about something. So in this hoax, it may be that Oprah and Lisa are in the know, but MJ is allowing them both to be themselves, and say what they want, but he will use it for his advantage, because he's the wiser now for it. JMO I think that is actually one of the reasons MJ loves her, is she is a spitfire, someone he can't dominate. Men are funny that way. What do you think?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 22, 2010, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
something no one else has touched on that i have noticed. the kind of long drawn out part about lisa feeling guilty throughout their marraige for this relationship having broken up her marriage and family. to me that is somethng i have always wondered about. does it fit the perspective of michael that he would persue a married woman? seeing how joe had treated his mother in this matter. any thoughts?

According to the LMP site, Lisa was the one who pursued MJ relentlessly, and I mean hounded Brett, others and MJ to get together and show an interest in him personally as well as for her getting her singing a boost up. MJ was totally not intersted in the beginning at all, in fact even said, Lisa, she can't sing. It was only after a long friendship and Lisa's persistent interest that MJ thought about her in a romantic way. Now the question is not why would MJ date a married woman, but why would Lisa relentlessly pursue a another single man while married.

Also in the LMP site someone had asked MJ about making her do or say something (I forget), and MJ said nobody tells Lisa what to say or do. If fact that was the basis of most of their fights, Lisa telling MJ what to do and him resisting, and if MJ did something against her wishes, all hell broke loose. Apparantly they had one of their first huge fights right after the MTV kiss. Lisa didn't want to do it and MJ said the audience would love it and it would be good for publicity. He did it and she was furious with him. Things totally fell apart right after the Diane Sawyer interview, where you could already see she was sulking about something. So in this hoax, it may be that Oprah and Lisa are in the know, but MJ is allowing them both to be themselves, and say what they want, but he will use it for his advantage, because he's the wiser now for it. JMO I think that is actually one of the reasons MJ loves her, is she is a spitfire, someone he can't dominate. Men are funny that way. What do you think?

You make some interesting points. I do think you're right about the spitfire thing. With Diane Sawyer, when LMP says "they can eat it", Michael seems to love it. It makes sense because he's so nice to everyone and probably has to be prim and proper in interviews, so when someone else says what he wants to say but can't, that is probably very attractive to him. I know this is a reason my fiance likes me, lol. I am not the type of woman to keep quiet or to not stand up for myself. I say what I feel and what needs to be said in every situation. Also interesting to point out, Michael's mother is the opposite of that. Perhaps Michael noticed that Katherine let Joe walk all over her, making Lisa Marie's personality especially refreshing to him.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: friendlikeme81 on October 22, 2010, 03:30:38 PM
when is the interview supposed to have been taken, last week?
shouldn't the nature outside look more like autumn with coloured leaves?
don't know about the timing of the seasonal changes in England, but in Germany autumn is in full process.

btw. didn't Michael mention that he likes how the leaves change their colours in TII?


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Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: missdanipyt on October 22, 2010, 03:44:11 PM
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"

As you realize she is a power mogul with her show and Millions of impressionable minds are being influenced to continue to think Michael was a molester despite the fact he was found NOT Guilty In a court of law.

Even going as far as to ask Lisa about the accusations and does she think he was guilty?...and Lisa's answer was to leave an impression in people's minds she may very well think he's guilty.

Lisa answered:  "Honestly I have know way of knowing if he did, I wasn't there" something like that.

Instead she should of said: "No doubt in my mind he was/is INNOCENT and found NOT GUILTY!" If she truly wanted to set that record straight.


Yeah I agree.
When they were married, in the Diane Sawyer interview when asked about these types of allegations, Lisa was so quick to defend her husband, and say that Michael's just a very loving person and the children love being around him.
Now in the 2005 allegations just because she's not married to him any more she has the nerve to act like she's stupid and all "Oh I don't know if he did or not" Get out of here with that BS. If she knows he was innocent the first time, and she knows that it's Michaels lovingness and caringness that was misunderstood back then, why would this time be any different?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 22, 2010, 03:51:28 PM
Quote from: "ForstAMoon"
:)

first one
http://www.topnews.in/node/29988 (http://www.topnews.in/node/29988)

second one
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/a ... nce-mix.do (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23756433-lisa-marie-isnt-thrilled-by-mahikis-dance-mix.do)

Can't delete them so..they will just have to be wrong.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: lovemj4everandever on October 22, 2010, 03:53:51 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
when is the interview supposed to have been taken, last week?
shouldn't the nature outside look more like autumn with coloured leaves?
don't know about the timing of the seasonal changes in England, but in Germany autumn is in full process.

btw. didn't Michael mention that he likes how the leaves change their colours in TII?


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Very good point!  I just googled "images" for England foliage in September and in October and everything came up "orange!"    :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on October 22, 2010, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: "missdanipyt"
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"

As you realize she is a power mogul with her show and Millions of impressionable minds are being influenced to continue to think Michael was a molester despite the fact he was found NOT Guilty In a court of law.

Even going as far as to ask Lisa about the accusations and does she think he was guilty?...and Lisa's answer was to leave an impression in people's minds she may very well think he's guilty.

Lisa answered:  "Honestly I have know way of knowing if he did, I wasn't there" something like that.

Instead she should of said: "No doubt in my mind he was/is INNOCENT and found NOT GUILTY!" If she truly wanted to set that record straight.


Yeah I agree.
When they were married, in the Diane Sawyer interview when asked about these types of allegations, Lisa was so quick to defend her husband, and say that Michael's just a very loving person and the children love being around him.
Now in the 2005 allegations just because she's not married to him any more she has the nerve to act like she's stupid and all "Oh I don't know if he did or not" Get out of here with that BS. If she knows he was innocent the first time, and she knows that it's Michaels lovingness and caringness that was misunderstood back then, why would this time be any different?

[youtube:3l7wxmcw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlPZSiSwVhY&feature=related[/youtube:3l7wxmcw]
Thanks for noticing and not being blinded by love.

Peace
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 22, 2010, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: "shelby61"
It is quite possible that this was taped awhile back.  We may want to check out to see recent pictures of Oprah and LMP (for instance:  is their hair the same and the weight the same).  Perhaps this is why there is no apology from Oprah.   We know that Oprah yo yo's on her weight.   Of course LMP has kept pretty quiet and out of the limelight since MJ's "death" so it may be hard to find recent pics of her....just a thought ;)

I was thinking that this was taped a while back as well. LMP looks really pale, haggard, and heavier....just like "normal" people look right after they have given birth. (I know I looked like crap for quite awhile after I had my son.) I am wondering if this interview happened closer to after the birth of her twins? But the twins were born Oct. '08.....so I'm not sure. It was what  crossed my mind as soon as I saw her. Something is definitely fishy about this whole interview though......
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: karen924 on October 22, 2010, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: "looking4truth"
Oh I had a dream last night that Oprah basically said she was a believer in the hoax.  :lol:

Looking4 truth check out the visions from michael forum. I posted my dream about Oprah and Michael there!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: _Anna_ on October 22, 2010, 06:00:52 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
when is the interview supposed to have been taken, last week?
shouldn't the nature outside look more like autumn with coloured leaves?
don't know about the timing of the seasonal changes in England, but in Germany autumn is in full process.

btw. didn't Michael mention that he likes how the leaves change their colours in TII?


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[attachment=0:206oofaw]nature background.jpg[/attachment:206oofaw]
That is really strange..... Here the fall is in its full beauty and you see only brown-copper colours all around.
What we can see there is like a spring in full bloom.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 22, 2010, 07:04:49 PM
The autumn detail is a good point, this garden is seen very! Green!, probably this interview was done months ago 8-)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: alovesmichael on October 22, 2010, 07:39:54 PM
I just finished watching the interview and I knew I would cry but this much? It was painful  :( .

I see that the theories and speculation of connections to "the hoax" is in full bloom (sunflowers, Oprahs involvement, Prince and purple - eh really? etc.) but I have noting to add to that. All I feel is deep pain, Michael feels more gone than ever (physically)  :cry: . People talking about his death and reflecting on it, thinking back at his life, kids supposedly being interviewed etc, how could that ever fit into a realistic plan to prove something or show something or whatever the theory is? Why does life play with us in such painful ways when all we want is to do good?  :(

What I truly want to know is the names of the people that Michael feared would kill him for his catalogue, the names that Lisa claims she knows! Are any of those in charge of Michael's estate right now?! If so, WE DESERVE TO KNOW! so that we can try to do something about it!

I love u Michael and miss u every, single day...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on October 22, 2010, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
Quote from: "thevoice"
You're right Oprah didnt back Obama or use her influence within and outside the black commnunity to help, finance and support the emergence of one of the greatest  leaders of our time, rallying incredible amount of young and first time voters who made the difference....she stayed home hating on MJ i guess.

I am a little shock at the hate towards Oprah. I can understand people might dislike her but hate?  A certain Sneddon  had the very same feeling once...Where's the L.O.V.E in all this?


I don't think she is projecting the blame on her past as an  abuse survivor on MJ specifically, I think she'll always be suspiscous of any person in Mike's predicament. Whatever she might say. But If they dont want to deal with her, why go to her?

"I am a little shock at the hate towards Oprah. I can understand people might dislike her but hate?  A certain Sneddon  had the very same feeling once...Where's the L.O.V.E in all this?"

Um,

First I never used the word Hate towards O. I am highly dissappointed in her behaviour towards Michael and the fact that she continues to make inuendos towards hinting at the possibility of his guilt to influence public perception. That's what "Media Mind Control" is all about. Influencing public opinion and perception.

As you realize she is a power mogul with her show and Millions of impressionable minds are being influenced to continue to think Michael was a molester despite the fact he was found NOT Guilty In a court of law.

Even going as far as to ask Lisa about the accusations and does she think he was guilty?...and Lisa's answer was to leave an impression in people's minds she may very well think he's guilty.

Lisa answered:  "Honestly I have know way of knowing if he did, I wasn't there" something like that.

Instead she should of said: "No doubt in my mind he was/is INNOCENT and found NOT GUILTY!" If she truly wanted to set that record straight.

Do not compare me to Snake Sneddon,
Obama is what?

Might I suggest you read up on Obama and his puppeteers.
The forum is full of good info.

As for your last question...
Why shouldn't Mike or anyone else for that matter use O's show as a medium and a stage to get your message out to her Millions of viewers.
Peace
[youtube:96gsudab]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGzQZ9i5xqI[/youtube:96gsudab]

I wanted to give you a lil help in your research.
L.O.V.E.
V 8-)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: fordtocarr on October 22, 2010, 07:56:47 PM
Okay...Lisa did play with her hair from time to time...and she paused and stammered a lot, and even gave simply wrong answers sometimes, COULD she have had a earphone in???  Did the camera ever show both ears, or a close up enough view of them????  Hummm, could've she been fed info??
ALSO...I'm pretty sure I've read someplace, or seen an interview with LMP saying SHE proposed to MJ!!!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: fordtocarr on October 22, 2010, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: "anewfan"
Quote from: "shelby61"
It is quite possible that this was taped awhile back.  We may want to check out to see recent pictures of Oprah and LMP (for instance:  is their hair the same and the weight the same).  Perhaps this is why there is no apology from Oprah.   We know that Oprah yo yo's on her weight.   Of course LMP has kept pretty quiet and out of the limelight since MJ's "death" so it may be hard to find recent pics of her....just a thought ;)

I was thinking that this was taped a while back as well. LMP looks really pale, haggard, and heavier....just like "normal" people look right after they have given birth. (I know I looked like crap for quite awhile after I had my son.) I am wondering if this interview happened closer to after the birth of her twins? But the twins were born Oct. '08.....so I'm not sure. It was what  crossed my mind as soon as I saw her. Something is definitely fishy about this whole interview though......

I thought the entire time, that woman is pregnant...or she'd just had a baby.  Even the way she held her arms about her middle and the camo, same colored outfit was designed to disguise, as everyone female knows...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: PureLove on October 22, 2010, 10:03:00 PM
I don't know why some people started to lose their hope after this interview. We saw Janet, Latoya, Jermaine and some other family members talking about MJ's supposed death. But we didn't lose hope. So why now? Keep the faith guys. Remember all of the things we have found till today. They can not be coincidences only. It doesn't make me feel good too when they talk about MJ like he really died, but this must be in the plan. As long as we believe Michael is alive, we shouldn't forget that he is directing the show. What was said by LMP on Oprah and whatever is said by his parents and kids will be by his direction!

And one last reminder for you all. Oprah show is produced by AEG!!!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: PinkTopaz on October 22, 2010, 11:08:16 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "sandythyme"
Just a couple of things I want to throw out there about the interview.  I thought Lisa was respectful and sincere.  I noticed the non eye contact with Oprah, that could just mean she is shy and doesn't like to be "out there", center of attention as she mentioned.  I liked the fact that she showed Michael in a positive light.  He had his moments, but she also had her moments.  It was important that Lisa admitted her mistakes.  Why it took this long to understand him.....Well at least  it happened.  The proposal - as stated we heard it was done over the phone.  So now he pulls out a 10 carat diamond AND I THINK HE GOT DOWN ON HIS KNEES to propose as well.  Sorry, but I think I would remember if a man got down on his knees to propose marriage to me.  Now maybe because she has been married a few times....I don't know.  I just know I would remember.  Finally the last conversation that they had in 2005, Michael  said he was afraid  someone was going to murder him for his catalog and estate.  Lisa said he gave her names, but she wouldn't mention them.  Why would a mother of four, admit on national television that she knows the names of the people that Michael suspected would try to kill him?  That's crazy, that would be putting Lisa and her family in danger. My thoughts on the interview, I am glad it happened.  It was done to clear the air.  But some comments just didn't make sense to me.  Take care, Love to All.

I agree with you. You don't just forget how someone proposes, I thought that was strange as well. And the thing about someone wanting to murder Michael, that statement was VERY telling in my opinion. It's almost as if there were certain things she was 'supposed to' get in the interview, like certain phrases or certain talking points that "someone" instructed her to do (he 'manipulated' her, but she 'understands it now'). And the catalog/estate/murder comment was basically confirming to us that he HAD REASON TO FAKE HIS DEATH. She always confirms that she loves him, he didn't molest children, and that it took her awhile to wrap her mind around him being gone...aka...the hoax.
That whole thing about the phone mainly came from that non-reliable Tarraborelli book. In the actual interview with Ebony in '94, MJ says,
Quote from: "MJ"
I'm the shyest person in the world. I said to her- we were on the phone- 'If I asked you to marry me, would you? She said, 'Of course'! Then there was silence. I said 'Excuse me, I've got to go the bathroom." he laughed sheepishly. "So I came back. But I didn't quite know what to say." Following the telephone proposal and acceptance, the engaged couple promptly met at Neverland, where the romance started."
The magazine just assumes that he proposed on the phone, but he just asked her if she would, it's not the same thing. And, even if he did, it says they promptly met at Neverland after. That sounds like, if he did do it over the phone, he was so blundering that he compensated by doing it again in front of that fireplace at N-Land- I have a cousin whose boyfriend did almost exactly that, he tried to propose once, but he was so nervous he just blurted it and was all stuttering, and the next day he called her out to the garden of her pad and did it again, kneeling and all gallant. . Maybe that second time was so tender and dear to both of them that they never felt the need to share it with the world before this.. and now she did. It's possible.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MJonmind on October 23, 2010, 02:09:41 AM
Quote from: "karen924"
Quote from: "looking4truth"
Oh I had a dream last night that Oprah basically said she was a believer in the hoax.  :lol:

Looking4 truth check out the visions from michael forum. I posted my dream about Oprah and Michael there!
Can you post just the actual dream here, because as you know that thread is a
Quote from: "karen924"
Quote from: "looking4truth"
Oh I had a dream last night that Oprah basically said she was a believer in the hoax. :lol:

Looking4 truth check out the visions from michael forum. I posted my dream about Oprah and Michael there!
lo-o-o-ng thread, hard to wade through :lol: . Thanks!
Could you post the actual dream here, since as you know that thread is very lo-o-o-ng  :lol: . Like finding a needle in a haystack! Thanks!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MashMike on October 23, 2010, 03:03:28 AM
The interview was what i expected, all positive about MJ after his "death", the only thing i didn't like was Oprah's dumb question about those allegations and Lisa's response to that,  i can't imagine those two being in on the hoax, esp. Oprah, i highly doubt Michael would have trusted them(i should confess it was a little bit hard and sad to watch the interview)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: For All Time on October 23, 2010, 04:37:28 AM
I didn't have time to read all your opinions on this interview but i agree with this, the interview was recorded some time ago, because It's autumn in England too....how everything is so green ? I noticed some strange answers from LMP ...did u ? Oprah said.." I know u went to the private funeral,what was that like standing in this room with his casket ( not with MJ, with his casket !) and Lisa, "hmmm, that was....(smile on her face ?!) really, scratching her head and saying " another 6 months of more 2 recover from , i think ! "Don't u find this very strange ? And when she was asked how did he proposed to her, different answer from the one that she gave years ago, why that ? Let me know what u think.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 23, 2010, 06:38:15 AM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Quote from: "karen924"
Quote from: "looking4truth"
Oh I had a dream last night that Oprah basically said she was a believer in the hoax.  :lol:

Looking4 truth check out the visions from michael forum. I posted my dream about Oprah and Michael there!
Can you post just the actual dream here, because as you know that thread is a
Quote from: "karen924"
Quote from: "looking4truth"
Oh I had a dream last night that Oprah basically said she was a believer in the hoax. :lol:

Looking4 truth check out the visions from michael forum. I posted my dream about Oprah and Michael there!
lo-o-o-ng thread, hard to wade through :lol: . Thanks!
Could you post the actual dream here, since as you know that thread is very lo-o-o-ng  :lol: . Like finding a needle in a haystack! Thanks!


but if you post it here the threads will bleed together and well it won't be about what it started as any more
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 23, 2010, 07:19:16 AM
Quote from: "fordtocarr"
Quote from: "anewfan"
Quote from: "shelby61"
It is quite possible that this was taped awhile back.  We may want to check out to see recent pictures of Oprah and LMP (for instance:  is their hair the same and the weight the same).  Perhaps this is why there is no apology from Oprah.   We know that Oprah yo yo's on her weight.   Of course LMP has kept pretty quiet and out of the limelight since MJ's "death" so it may be hard to find recent pics of her....just a thought ;)

I was thinking that this was taped a while back as well. LMP looks really pale, haggard, and heavier....just like "normal" people look right after they have given birth. (I know I looked like crap for quite awhile after I had my son.) I am wondering if this interview happened closer to after the birth of her twins? But the twins were born Oct. '08.....so I'm not sure. It was what  crossed my mind as soon as I saw her. Something is definitely fishy about this whole interview though......

I thought the entire time, that woman is pregnant...or she'd just had a baby.  Even the way she held her arms about her middle and the camo, same colored outfit was designed to disguise, as everyone female knows...

Well the pics i put up from google which said they where 2010 but actually go back to 2008..should maybe help as to her size and hair??
The pic of her in the blue outfit IS 2010..it was from a birthday she went to in London Just last week...apparently...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: trublu on October 23, 2010, 09:38:29 AM
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
when is the interview supposed to have been taken, last week?
shouldn't the nature outside look more like autumn with coloured leaves?
don't know about the timing of the seasonal changes in England, but in Germany autumn is in full process.

btw. didn't Michael mention that he likes how the leaves change their colours in TII?


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[attachment=0:2snkmqbx]nature background.jpg[/attachment:2snkmqbx]
That is really strange..... Here the fall is in its full beauty and you see only brown-copper colours all around.
What we can see there is like a spring in full bloom.

There are parts of the English countryside thats stay green all year round, it's just beautiful.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: michaelsupporter on October 23, 2010, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: "fordtocarr"
Quote from: "anewfan"
Quote from: "shelby61"
It is quite possible that this was taped awhile back.  We may want to check out to see recent pictures of Oprah and LMP (for instance:  is their hair the same and the weight the same).  Perhaps this is why there is no apology from Oprah.   We know that Oprah yo yo's on her weight.   Of course LMP has kept pretty quiet and out of the limelight since MJ's "death" so it may be hard to find recent pics of her....just a thought ;)

I was thinking that this was taped a while back as well. LMP looks really pale, haggard, and heavier....just like "normal" people look right after they have given birth. (I know I looked like crap for quite awhile after I had my son.) I am wondering if this interview happened closer to after the birth of her twins? But the twins were born Oct. '08.....so I'm not sure. It was what  crossed my mind as soon as I saw her. Something is definitely fishy about this whole interview though......

I thought the entire time, that woman is pregnant...or she'd just had a baby.  Even the way she held her arms about her middle and the camo, same colored outfit was designed to disguise, as everyone female knows...


This same very thought had occurred to me too! What do you all think of that one???? And, could it be remotely possible that she is with Michael Jackson and not Lockwood?????
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: nefari on October 23, 2010, 10:54:58 AM
And the photos of Murray with "his newest child", I kept thinking wow that child looks like could be a new child of Michael Jackson's. I've been wondering for awhile if maybe LMP is still with MJ and everything else is just a smoke-screen but I didn't say anything for fear of people getting angry with me.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ER911 on October 23, 2010, 10:56:35 AM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
Tweet from Jackie Jackson moments ago

JackieJackson5
 
Just finished taping the Oprah show. The show is about Teenage Heart Throbs - & I was Oprah's! We had lots of fun - watch the show Nov 4th
less than a minute ago via TweetDeck

Oprah's tweet yesterday said she had a SURPRISE date with Jackie.

Does it seem to anyone else that, against all odds, The Jacksons are definitely in cahoots with Oprah?   :?:  :idea:  Maybe Michael really is using her in this "HIStory in the Making" saga....

I was thinking the same thing.  And, perhaps this Oprah interviewing is all taking place at this time because the new album is coming out next month?  Getting publicity, even if it is with Oprah?  Just a thought.

And, maybe I am cynical, but I just don't believe all of what LMP spoke about.  They were in love, but he basically says, if you will not give me children, Debbie is waiting on the sidelines to fill the spot?  Pleeeeease, what kind of *real* marriage would put up with that, even if it were MJ.  Remember, she's not like a star struck fan, who would do anything just to be near him.  Would she really put up with that?  And, if they were truly in love, would she be going on vacations with her ex husband, even if it were just a platonic thing?  I mean, they were only married a year and a half (according to this interview) they should still be in the honeymoon stage of their marriage, especially if they weren't together a lot of the time.  Just doesn't sound real to me, just my opinion.  

And why now?  Why does she say how much they were in love, after a decade and after he is dead.  And why at the other interview she states, "Holy mother of God, what was I thinking?"  I wiil never forget those words.  

Maybe she feels bad about how things turned out and wants to make things right, but seems a little late to me.  Could it be that she's been getting hate mail or something?  Or, she did reveal she is going to release an album next year, perhaps she wants to get on MJ's fans good side?  


But the thing that bothered me the most was when she talked about whether or not she believed he did anything to those accusers.  She said to her knowledge, nothing ever happened.  That the only people who really know are MJ and the person in the room.  Well, duh, that is obvious.  But how many times has Jermaine stated MJ is 1000 percent innocent.  He obviously doesn't know for a  fact, he wasn't in the room, yet he states profatically that he is 1000 percent innocent.  Why couldn't she do the same?   She left that little seed of doubt for people.   :evil:  And that makes me angry.

I understand your point of view concerning Lisas' statement & the "seed of doubt".  However, I think we need to be careful in thinking that Lisa should have echoed Jermaines' statement.

Why should she say that she is 100% sure with regard to what did or did not transpire in that particular room? She would be labeled a liar if she said she knew because she was not in the room.

I do however, think that there was no need for her to add that to her statement, because Oprah did not ask her for the particulars.

Perhaps Lisa wanted it made very clear that although she herself never witnessed any wrong doing by Michael, that she could not verify specifics because she was not there.

Lisa was simply being honest about that specific event & I don't think we should fault her for that.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Andrea on October 23, 2010, 10:57:38 AM
I wrote earlier in this thread and I still think it's possible that Oprah herself is being manipulated, as she is part of the "media" that LMP said Michael is the master of manipulating.  And I believe this more so because the interview took place at LMP's and Oprah also visited the Jackson Encino home - so they were on their turf, not Oprah's.  I think it's possible that they're playing Oprah and there's no way Oprah would turn down an opportunity to interview LMP or the Jacksons, particularly Katherine because Katherine is so well respected and loved by Michael.

As for LMP's weight - I think part of the reason she moved to the UK was to escape the shallow attitudes of people in California and just wants to be comfortable and not be constantly photographed and criticized about the way she looks.  I think she looks great, but maybe a little tired.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 23, 2010, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Quote from: "fordtocarr"
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It is quite possible that this was taped awhile back.  We may want to check out to see recent pictures of Oprah and LMP (for instance:  is their hair the same and the weight the same).  Perhaps this is why there is no apology from Oprah.   We know that Oprah yo yo's on her weight.   Of course LMP has kept pretty quiet and out of the limelight since MJ's "death" so it may be hard to find recent pics of her....just a thought ;)

I was thinking that this was taped a while back as well. LMP looks really pale, haggard, and heavier....just like "normal" people look right after they have given birth. (I know I looked like crap for quite awhile after I had my son.) I am wondering if this interview happened closer to after the birth of her twins? But the twins were born Oct. '08.....so I'm not sure. It was what  crossed my mind as soon as I saw her. Something is definitely fishy about this whole interview though......

I thought the entire time, that woman is pregnant...or she'd just had a baby.  Even the way she held her arms about her middle and the camo, same colored outfit was designed to disguise, as everyone female knows...




This same very thought had occurred to me too! What do you all think of that one???? And, could it be remotely possible that she is with Michael Jackson and not Lockwood?????

I had that same thought on Lockwood, but then I thought it was too far-fetched. This whole hoax has definitely allowed my imagination to run wild and to know that the truth is often-times stranger than fiction! I sure hope we are given all the answers to this huge puzzle eventually!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 23, 2010, 12:23:13 PM
Since I believe that par of the interview shows the mirror image of it, this I take as a metaphor.....Starting with the "women in the mirror"

I think that both, Oprah and LMP have changed their opnion about Michael and to make the change one must start with the man in the mirror  ;)

Quote from: "Gema"
Is it me? or I see a mirror view?? The camera must be taking the image from a mirror. Pls, observe how the box stands. Looks like is reflected in the mirror, standing on a console or chest of drawers.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 23, 2010, 01:11:47 PM
By that this LMP's photo next to the coffin is published 16 months after Michael's "death"?, probably still we have not seen everything. 8-)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 23, 2010, 01:37:25 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Since I believe that par of the interview shows the mirror image of it, this I take as a metaphor.....Starting with the "women in the mirror"

I think that both, Oprah and LMP have changed their opnion about Michael and to make the change one must start with the man in the mirror  ;)

Quote from: "Gema"
Is it me? or I see a mirror view?? The camera must be taking the image from a mirror. Pls, observe how the box stands. Looks like is reflected in the mirror, standing on a console or chest of drawers.
I don't think Oprah has changed her opinion at all. She is doing these shows for ratings and because fans demand it. She did not do a tribute show until fans became angry about it, then she did one that didn't amount to much of a tribute. She then also removed all videos of Michael, from her website, that had been on previous interviews with him, fans were very upset. People have been questioning her motives as they are perceiving her as being anti-Michael so all of this is also o maintain her image and retain her influence on the public. I think that Oprah is manipulating the situation but she is actually being manipulated herself, by Michael, and doesn't even realize it.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: starlight30 on October 23, 2010, 02:37:12 PM
1. First before the interview there is a shot of purple flowers. Lisa is wearing purple. There is another shot of different purple flowers later on. Oprah is wearing the same colors and a sunflower. Of course, she wanted fans to send one sunflower because that was his favorite flower. I think she mentioned she kept them around Neverland. So now she keeps them at her house in London? I made me wonder if he was there w/them.
2. Then LMP mentions the people around him where vampires. Oprah echos vampires. LMP added, "vampires, spiders". I thought spiders was an interesting thing to add, since in TII MJ came out from under a spider.
SPIDER: Linked to treachery and death in many cultures, it was seen as a "trickster" in ancient Africa, a "spinner of fate" in ancient goddess cultures and -- in ancient Greek myths -- the goddess Arachne turned into a spider by her jealous rival Athena. "Christian" cultures have linked it both to an evil force that sucked blood from its victims and to "good luck" because of the cross on the back of some species. The Chinese have welcomed the spider descending on its thread as a bringer of joys from heaven. hmmmmm....trickster.....joker
3. Then the date of the interview 10-21-2010 so we have 1 + 3+3. Oprah mentions Elvis died 33 years ago. 33 being the highest level of FM.
4. Then the weird photo of her w/his casket. Why would someone want or keep or show a photo w/a casket? Why would an ex wife of 13 years ago be the last one w/him? It is taken from an above shot angle. She is wearing a big white flower, I think one black glove and is holding the booklet. I saw one pic of her getting out of the limo and one far away in a back seat shot. I don't see any big white flower on her.
5. Then they giggle at the end. Say what???
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: alovesmichael on October 23, 2010, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: "PureLove"
I don't know why some people started to lose their hope after this interview. We saw Janet, Latoya, Jermaine and some other family members talking about MJ's supposed death. But we didn't lose hope. So why now? Keep the faith guys. Remember all of the things we have found till today. They can not be coincidences only. It doesn't make me feel good too when they talk about MJ like he really died, but this must be in the plan. As long as we believe Michael is alive, we shouldn't forget that he is directing the show. What was said by LMP on Oprah and whatever is said by his parents and kids will be by his direction!

And one last reminder for you all. Oprah show is produced by AEG!!!

Actually, why could it not be coincidences? And if for example money does play a big part in this whole circus since June 25th it would make quite a few things more understandable. How could Michael be directing this interview when it's clear that Oprah couldn't care less (except from the gossip)? And doesn't AEG produce tons of shows anyway? Just trying to put things in other perspectives...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 23, 2010, 07:19:01 PM
I found this website,Don't know HOW reliable the people on there are but I noticed it because of a comment made:

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This was filmed 9 months ago and Oprah chooses to push back the air date until it's run during a week with two shows on pedophilia?

[center:2qdejpb3]http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/52310231.html?page=1#comments[/center:2qdejpb3]

If someone has a live journal or is signed up to this ohnotheydidnt community,might be worthwhile possibly messaging the girl who wrote it and find out where she got her information from?If at all or if she's assuming it was 9 months ago.She seems quite specific though.
There are a few comments asking wtf.

This Image is from the article.I don't know that much about the UK countryside..is it sunny and blue skies in fall?
[center:2qdejpb3](http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3720/48153805.jpg)[/center:2qdejpb3]

Like I say,I don't know if it will help but worth looking into if the girl who said it has a source.

Same chick also points this out which I never knew either
Quote
Also Oprah's new channel OWN backwards is NWO. New World Order

Learn something new everyday...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 23, 2010, 07:35:20 PM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
I found this website,Don't know HOW reliable the people on there are but I noticed it because of a comment made:

Quote
This was filmed 9 months ago and Oprah chooses to push back the air date until it's run during a week with two shows on pedophilia?

[center:14bg6q91]http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/52310231.html?page=1#comments[/center:14bg6q91]

If someone has a live journal or is signed up to this ohnotheydidnt community,might be worthwhile possibly messaging the girl who wrote it and find out where she got her information from?If at all or if she's assuming it was 9 months ago.She seems quite specific though.
There are a few comments asking wtf.

This Image is from the article.I don't know that much about the UK countryside..is it sunny and blue skies in fall?
[center:14bg6q91](http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3720/48153805.jpg)[/center:14bg6q91]

Like I say,I don't know if it will help but worth looking into if the girl who said it has a source.

Same chick also points this out which I never knew either
Quote
Also Oprah's new channel OWN backwards is NWO. New World Order

Learn something new everyday...

does anyone else think lisa looks thinner here and doesn't seem to have on as much eye makeup? or is it just me needn' my jacket? :?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 23, 2010, 07:47:55 PM
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does anyone else think lisa looks thinner here and doesn't seem to have on as much eye makeup? or is it just me needn' my jacket?

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Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on October 23, 2010, 07:49:39 PM
Quote from: "ER911"
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
Tweet from Jackie Jackson moments ago

JackieJackson5
 
Just finished taping the Oprah show. The show is about Teenage Heart Throbs - & I was Oprah's! We had lots of fun - watch the show Nov 4th
less than a minute ago via TweetDeck

Oprah's tweet yesterday said she had a SURPRISE date with Jackie.

Does it seem to anyone else that, against all odds, The Jacksons are definitely in cahoots with Oprah?   :?:  :idea:  Maybe Michael really is using her in this "HIStory in the Making" saga....

I was thinking the same thing.  And, perhaps this Oprah interviewing is all taking place at this time because the new album is coming out next month?  Getting publicity, even if it is with Oprah?  Just a thought.

And, maybe I am cynical, but I just don't believe all of what LMP spoke about.  They were in love, but he basically says, if you will not give me children, Debbie is waiting on the sidelines to fill the spot?  Pleeeeease, what kind of *real* marriage would put up with that, even if it were MJ.  Remember, she's not like a star struck fan, who would do anything just to be near him.  Would she really put up with that?  And, if they were truly in love, would she be going on vacations with her ex husband, even if it were just a platonic thing?  I mean, they were only married a year and a half (according to this interview) they should still be in the honeymoon stage of their marriage, especially if they weren't together a lot of the time.  Just doesn't sound real to me, just my opinion.  

And why now?  Why does she say how much they were in love, after a decade and after he is dead.  And why at the other interview she states, "Holy mother of God, what was I thinking?"  I wiil never forget those words.  

Maybe she feels bad about how things turned out and wants to make things right, but seems a little late to me.  Could it be that she's been getting hate mail or something?  Or, she did reveal she is going to release an album next year, perhaps she wants to get on MJ's fans good side?  


But the thing that bothered me the most was when she talked about whether or not she believed he did anything to those accusers.  She said to her knowledge, nothing ever happened.  That the only people who really know are MJ and the person in the room.  Well, duh, that is obvious.  But how many times has Jermaine stated MJ is 1000 percent innocent.  He obviously doesn't know for a  fact, he wasn't in the room, yet he states profatically that he is 1000 percent innocent.  Why couldn't she do the same?   She left that little seed of doubt for people.   :evil:  And that makes me angry.

I understand your point of view concerning Lisas' statement & the "seed of doubt".  However, I think we need to be careful in thinking that Lisa should have echoed Jermaines' statement.

Why should she say that she is 100% sure with regard to what did or did not transpire in that particular room? She would be labeled a liar if she said she knew because she was not in the room.I do however, think that there was no need for her to add that to her statement, because Oprah did not ask her for the particulars.

Perhaps Lisa wanted it made very clear that although she herself never witnessed any wrong doing by Michael, that she could not verify specifics because she was not there.

Lisa was simply being honest about that specific event & I don't think we should fault her for that.


OMG!

Why?
Because a JURY of 12 people who are strangers who weren't in the ROOM either said NOT GUILTY!

I don't understand how that can be excused as non existence information now.

This is not a fairy tale and a story of fantasy.
This is REAL LIFE.
A man was accused of molestation and found NOT GUILTY.
I don't care if it is Michael or not. I don't care if it is LMP.

I find it hard to think people are ok with the fact O and LMP get a pass on maybe thinking Michael is guilty 5 years later for fear of maybe being a liar?

Think if you were Mike.
You want people maybe thinking you were guilty because they weren't there even though you were found NOT GUILTY in a court of law?
I don't get it.

 8-)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 23, 2010, 07:50:51 PM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
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I really think that has to do with the picture. And what is wrong with her weight? She lost a lot already, and she carried twins! One of my friends had twins and she never lost the extra weight.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 23, 2010, 07:55:41 PM
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I really think that has to do with the picture. And what is wrong with her weight? She lost a lot already, and she carried twins! One of my friends had twins and she never lost the extra weight.

I never said there was anything wrong with her weight there.
That photo was put in my original post..not for her but for the scene behind her to pin point was it filmed when they say it was.
The comparison was done for SM who posted after me about her looking different.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 23, 2010, 08:00:46 PM
I do not know England, in the following link they can look at some autumn photo.


http://outdoors.webshots.com/album/202445617vaEyxY (http://outdoors.webshots.com/album/202445617vaEyxY)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 23, 2010, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
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I really think that has to do with the picture. And what is wrong with her weight? She lost a lot already, and she carried twins! One of my friends had twins and she never lost the extra weight.

I never said there was anything wrong with her weight there.
That photo was put in my original post..not for her but for the scene behind her to pin point was it filmed when they say it was.
The comparison was done for SM who posted after me about her looking different.

I was only replying to you about the photo, the weight thing was in general.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: finfin on October 23, 2010, 08:15:40 PM
Points I thought were strange after looking again at the videos:
1.  LMP did not once say Michael had "died", "passed away", or was "dead" - Oprah did.
2.  It was as though the Elvis and MJ parallels were emphasised and were put "out there"
3.  I wonder what LMP meant by Michael having certain injections for various things he needed, not just
     for his skin.
4.  The fireplace mentioned twice - for the proposal and when Michael talked about Elvis's mode of death

Being from England, looking at the foliage it does seem to have been in the Summer, definitely not in the last few weeks and not in Spring
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: iamhere4mj on October 23, 2010, 08:30:09 PM
There have been a couple of posts suggesting that maybe Michael and Lisa are married instead of her being married to Michael Lockwood. If this is true how many of us would ever trust Michael ever again? To make it seem that Lisa is married to someone else (plus having twins) when in fact her and Michael are married would in my mind be a reason for me to stop believing in Michael. I know that each of us has a right to be married to anyone that we want to be married to but I just can't see Michael deceiving anyone like this when we are having a hard enough time with him being gone. Just my opinion.

And as far as when this show was taped, I believe Lisa and her family moved to the UK in August of this year, so that would make it summer and don't forget that Oprah said her and Lisa went on a hike that summer, maybe that was a hint on when this was filmed.

I thought overall the interview was good but as usual anything coming from Lisa when it comes to Michael makes you go hmmm sometimes. I think she's pissed because she was 'disposable' and she lost at her own game with him.

Love you Michael!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 23, 2010, 08:47:19 PM
Quote from: "iamhere4mj"
There have been a couple of posts suggesting that maybe Michael and Lisa are married instead of her being married to Michael Lockwood. If this is true how many of us would ever trust Michael ever again? To make it seem that Lisa is married to someone else (plus having twins) when in fact her and Michael are married would in my mind be a reason for me to stop believing in Michael. I know that each of us has a right to be married to anyone that we want to be married to but I just can't see Michael deceiving anyone like this when we are having a hard enough time with him being gone. Just my opinion.

And as far as when this show was taped, I believe Lisa and her family moved to the UK in August of this year, so that would make it summer and don't forget that Oprah said her and Lisa went on a hike that summer, maybe that was a hint on when this was filmed.

I thought overall the interview was good but as usual anything coming from Lisa when it comes to Michael makes you go hmmm sometimes. I think she's pissed because she was 'disposable' and she lost at her own game with him.

Love you Michael!


You talk sense.I like you.haha
To suggest they are still married is as absurd as saying he actually died in 2009.
I do question her current husband's frame of mind letting her do it in the first place,but they had kids together,just spent £8million on a new house together and seem relativley normal as a family/married couple-as normal as it can be in celebrity land.and didn't she marry Nicholas Cage after Michael?
As you have said,there is enough going on with everything else without adding more theories to it.

As for the time of year,I didn't think the UK had a summer?Just rain...LOL.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 23, 2010, 08:49:14 PM
Quote from: "iamhere4mj"
There have been a couple of posts suggesting that maybe Michael and Lisa are married instead of her being married to Michael Lockwood. If this is true how many of us would ever trust Michael ever again? To make it seem that Lisa is married to someone else (plus having twins) when in fact her and Michael are married would in my mind be a reason for me to stop believing in Michael. I know that each of us has a right to be married to anyone that we want to be married to but I just can't see Michael deceiving anyone like this when we are having a hard enough time with him being gone. Just my opinion.


Although I doubt the two are still married, even if that were true that would have been none of our business. If it was part of the hoax, it needed to be done like this. Why is it ok for him to lie about being dead, but not about being married? I don't get that. But again, I don't think they are married still, I think she really married Michael Lockwood and had his kids.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: PinkTopaz on October 23, 2010, 09:50:14 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
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I really think that has to do with the picture. And what is wrong with her weight? She lost a lot already, and she carried twins! One of my friends had twins and she never lost the extra weight.

I never said there was anything wrong with her weight there.
That photo was put in my original post..not for her but for the scene behind her to pin point was it filmed when they say it was.
The comparison was done for SM who posted after me about her looking different.

I was only replying to you about the photo, the weight thing was in general.
I was going to say that-! I saw someone else saying about her wanting to get away from "shallow" Cali (not everyone is like that, gosh!) because she wanted tp be comfortable, but she doesn't look "fat" at all to me!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 23, 2010, 11:50:21 PM
I just want to clarify that I didn't call LMP fat. I said she was heavier, which, if you compare these pics to those before she got pregnant with the twins, you can plainly see she is heavier. (which we all know happens most of the time after having children...especially twins) I wasn't putting her down. I was simply stating the obvious, which led me to believe that this interview took place earlier than they said it did. (Closer to when she gave birth.)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 24, 2010, 12:00:27 AM
umm  i think i was the one who brought up lisa looking thinner in one picture than in the other. it seems like some other people have been getting the heat for it. sorry guys. i did not intend anything to be a judgement on lisa. i just noticed that one picture looked different than the other. even when i look at the video again there seems to be a difference. maybe it is camera angle but it seems the difference is too much for that. idk

just for the record i am 5.1 and about 150 or so right now so i am not passing judgement on anybodies body ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 24, 2010, 12:50:28 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
umm  i think i was the one who brought up lisa looking thinner in one picture than in the other. it seems like some other people have been getting the heat for it. sorry guys. i did not intend anything to be a judgement on lisa. i just noticed that one picture looked different than the other. even when i look at the video again there seems to be a difference. maybe it is camera angle but it seems the difference is too much for that. idk

just for the record i am 5.1 and about 150 or so right now so i am not passing judgement on anybodies body ;)


I don't think any of us meant to be judgemental. We were just pointing out discrepancies in weight in order to maybe establish a time frame. Your honesty in your measurements made me smile for some reason. I don't think any of us have perfect bodies...as long as we are healthy, then I guess that's all that matters!!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on October 24, 2010, 07:12:42 AM
Quote from: "sprint911"
please look for part 3 here http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt ... 07&page=63 (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97107&page=63) I wont be here to post it, thanks


Has any one tried to post a comment on the videos?  I have tried and it comes up as an error message, or was it  because I was trying to post http://www.elvisandmj.com (http://www.elvisandmj.com) :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Honest Im still trying and it wont let me!  :shock:  :?

Ill keep trying.

L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on October 24, 2010, 07:21:04 AM
Having watch all 3 parts of the Oprah interview, dont you think it is a HUGE coincidence that when Lisa went back in to be with MJs casket when everyone else (her words)  had left because she couldnt leave him, there just "happened" to be a photographer present to capture the moment for HIStory :shock:  :shock:  :?

This is getting stranger and stranger. :roll:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: liegi on October 24, 2010, 07:46:49 AM
What I thought was strange was showing the footage of the fact that Elvis' home and MJ's last dwelling were close by.  I didn't get that.

However, Elvis and MJ are linked in more ways than just be marriage.  MJ owns Elvis' catalogue.  Lately, I have been hearing a new version of "Suspicious Minds" on the radio here in Italy. I just heard in today while I was at the gym.  Then, MJ's Cirque du Soleil show comes on the heels of Elvis' show.

People involved in the entertainment business are not going to tell us what REALLY goes on. They deal in symbolism, myth-making and "escapism" (as MJ so aptly puts it).
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 24, 2010, 07:51:21 AM
Quote from: "Ijustcantstoplovingu"
Having watch all 3 parts of the Oprah interview, dont you think it is a HUGE coincidence that when Lisa went back in to be with MJs casket when everyone else (her words)  had left because she couldnt leave him, there just "happened" to be a photographer present to capture the moment for HIStory :shock:  :shock:  :?

This is getting stranger and stranger. :roll:

LOL, you're right. I guess the photographer couldn't leave either... :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Datroot on October 24, 2010, 08:02:22 AM
We had a pretty decent summer this year in the UK and it is a beautiful day today.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: nefari on October 24, 2010, 08:43:05 AM
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 24, 2010, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I'm sure it would be romantic if they 'up and ran off' but this is real life,not a Disney movie.
Firstly,Michael to the majority of the world died in 2009.
Secondly,LMP would have to vanish also.So would her kids..they aren't going to just leave all 7children they have between them to OTHER people behind so they can make out on a beach somewhere.
Thirdly,LMP wanted more kids,she found out why she couldn't,ficed it,and she had twins with Michael Lockwood(in 08),they just bought a very expensive house in England...you can hoax everything else but their kids are very real.
and lastly people DO get married and divorced not everything is a hoax or a lie or has something behind it.If Michael was still living out in the open and 'alive' post 2009 LMP's current situation wouldn't even be in question.. she'd still be with another man and she'd still have given birth to twins that aren't MJ's.

I think the world needs to let this one go.LMP and Michael Jackson..are no more.
If 14years hadn't of passed,they hadn't had 7children between them to other people, both got re-married,moved,not spoken and so on and so on..oh and Michael hadn't 'died' and fooled the world,i'd say they might get back together..but as it stands..all the above^ HAS happened and so in my opinion..people need to move on and stick to the investigation at hand-Michael and his hoax.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 24, 2010, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I'm sure it would be romantic if they 'up and ran off' but this is real life,not a Disney movie.
Firstly,Michael to the majority of the world died in 2009.
Secondly,LMP would have to vanish also.So would her kids..they aren't going to just leave all 7children they have between them to OTHER people behind so they can make out on a beach somewhere.
Thirdly,LMP wanted more kids,she found out why she couldn't,ficed it,and she had twins with Michael Lockwood(in 08),they just bought a very expensive house in England...you can hoax everything else but their kids are very real.
and lastly people DO get married and divorced not everything is a hoax or a lie or has something behind it.If Michael was still living out in the open and 'alive' post 2009 LMP's current situation wouldn't even be in question.. she'd still be with another man and she'd still have given birth to twins that aren't MJ's.

I think the world needs to let this one go.LMP and Michael Jackson..are no more.
If 14years hadn't of passed,they hadn't had 7children between them to other people, both got re-married,moved,not spoken and so on and so on..oh and Michael hadn't 'died' and fooled the world,i'd say they might get back together..but as it stands..all the above^ HAS happened and so in my opinion..people need to move on and stick to the investigation at hand-Michael and his hoax.

How does one know which parts are part of the hoax and which ones aren't? I'd like to read that manual if you have one......
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 24, 2010, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: "anewfan"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I'm sure it would be romantic if they 'up and ran off' but this is real life,not a Disney movie.
Firstly,Michael to the majority of the world died in 2009.
Secondly,LMP would have to vanish also.So would her kids..they aren't going to just leave all 7children they have between them to OTHER people behind so they can make out on a beach somewhere.
Thirdly,LMP wanted more kids,she found out why she couldn't,fixed it,and she had twins with Michael Lockwood(in 08),they just bought a very expensive house in England...you can hoax everything else but their kids are very real.
and lastly people DO get married and divorced not everything is a hoax or a lie or has something behind it.If Michael was still living out in the open and 'alive' post 2009 LMP's current situation wouldn't even be in question.. she'd still be with another man and she'd still have given birth to twins that aren't MJ's.

I think the world needs to let this one go.LMP and Michael Jackson..are no more.
If 14years hadn't of passed,they hadn't had 7children between them to other people, both got re-married,moved,not spoken and so on and so on..oh and Michael hadn't 'died' and fooled the world,i'd say they might get back together..but as it stands..all the above^ HAS happened and so in my opinion..people need to move on and stick to the investigation at hand-Michael and his hoax.

How does one know which parts are part of the hoax and which ones aren't? I'd like to read that manual if you have one......


That was my own personal opinion.I don't really appriciate sarcasm when I was really just saying be logical about things,her children to another man aren't disposable or for show.
I don't think hooking up with another guy,having his babies and moving to another country to then run off and be with her ex husband when he has been resurrected isn't something I'd consider to be part of the overall plan,....whatever it may be.Especially since he did want kids with her when they were married.

It's fine if you think differently,we all have our own thoughts on the subject.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 24, 2010, 10:48:52 AM
@Sinderella....I don't think that the kids are just for show and disposable and I'm pretty sure other people don't either. I think we are all just throwing out suggestions as to why they are going to LMP about MJ now 15 years later after their marriage. We may not be right, but that's okay. That's called collaboration. I do believe there is something up with her.....we just don't know what it is.
 I'm sorry if my sarcasm wasn't appreciated. I just thought your comment about it not being a Disney movie was somewhat rude and condescending to nefari. You may not have meant it that way, but that's the way I read it.
Let's just hug it out  :) and move on....(sending virtual "knucks")
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 24, 2010, 11:07:52 AM
Oprah in the hoax?
LMP and Karen Faye seem to be friends.
I logged in twitter and I saw many people questioning Karen Faye about this interview.

I took the time also to ask Karen some questions and her answers are very interesting to me. So far, Karen always answers to my questions and I am thankful for that.

Tell me what you think.

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@wingheart Hi Karen.I would like to know your opinion about the last interview of LMP and Oprah.Do you think that was a necessary 1?Thanks
Answer:YES

@wingheart Why, in your opinion, was a necessary interview?
Answer:It was necessary for HER heart and spirit. AND by the ratings, everyone else wanted to hear what she had to say also.

@wingheart I agree.People wanted to know LMP´s side of the story.What about Oprah?what is your conclusion about her& D way she lead D interw

Answer: I think Oprah has an agenda supporting the big corps who stole Michael's soul.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: karen924 on October 24, 2010, 11:44:16 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
Oprah in the hoax?
LMP and Karen Faye seem to be friends.
I logged in twitter and I saw many people questioning Karen Faye about this interview.

I took the time also to ask Karen some questions and her answers are very interesting to me. So far, Karen always answers to my questions and I am thankful for that.

Tell me what you think.

Quote
@wingheart Hi Karen.I would like to know your opinion about the last interview of LMP and Oprah.Do you think that was a necessary 1?Thanks
Answer:YES

@wingheart Why, in your opinion, was a necessary interview?
Answer:It was necessary for HER heart and spirit. AND by the ratings, everyone else wanted to hear what she had to say also.

@wingheart I agree.People wanted to know LMP´s side of the story.What about Oprah?what is your conclusion about her& D way she lead D interw

Answer: I think Oprah has an agenda supporting the big corps who stole Michael's soul.


Gema, very interesting! Idont thinnk Oprah is in on the hoax directly unless Michael is usig her for his own purpose, making her unknowingly involved in the hoax. I think the last question/answer says a lot
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 24, 2010, 11:57:18 AM
isn't this in a sense using her relationship with michael  and her fathere to further her career? she knows she has materiel coming out . she does this interview so she can say to whomever she deals with during the promotional faze i have dealt with that don't even go there. she comes on she tells all the michael fans that are watching that she has regrets about the way things happened but that yes they truely loved each other (if michael loved her she must be wonderful ;) )i said the nasty things i said because i didn't understand our relationship. he was a wonderful person but he grew up in an invironment that caused him to be manipulative. debbie (that evil person who gave him what i didn't ) was there on the sidelines and he taunted me with her. and there are paralels between my father and michael (that must make me special because i was attacted to both of them) and it has made my life so tragic . with all of that drama in her life one would thing she would still be able to have more emotion about it that just some very big sighs.to her credit she never did like to answer questions about her father during interviews either but they probably stopped asking about her father ? well oh right about the time she married michael  ;) .

i mentioned somewhere else a thought i had about lisa and michael having kids. it was that perhaps since they did not stay together that it was a blessing in disguise that they did not have children together. you know that would have been an ugly battle because there is no way the presleys are just going to hand over elvis grandchildren like debbie (supposedly handed over hers).

to whomever it was who mentioned michael having elvis catalog . that is what i understood  it to be yet someone in another post mentioned michael's getting the elvis catalog . so which is it ? are there 2?


you know  perhaps michael rarely speaking about these relationaships is not just him being nice perhaps it is part of his genius. ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 24, 2010, 12:03:56 PM
Quote from: "karen924"
Quote from: "Gema"
Oprah in the hoax?
LMP and Karen Faye seem to be friends.
I logged in twitter and I saw many people questioning Karen Faye about this interview.

I took the time also to ask Karen some questions and her answers are very interesting to me. So far, Karen always answers to my questions and I am thankful for that.

Tell me what you think.

Quote
@wingheart Hi Karen.I would like to know your opinion about the last interview of LMP and Oprah.Do you think that was a necessary 1?Thanks
Answer:YES

@wingheart Why, in your opinion, was a necessary interview?
Answer:It was necessary for HER heart and spirit. AND by the ratings, everyone else wanted to hear what she had to say also.

@wingheart I agree.People wanted to know LMP´s side of the story.What about Oprah?what is your conclusion about her& D way she lead D interw

Answer: I think Oprah has an agenda supporting the big corps who stole Michael's soul.


Gema, very interesting! Idont thinnk Oprah is in on the hoax directly unless Michael is usig her for his own purpose, making her unknowingly involved in the hoax. I think the last question/answer says a lot

To be honest Karen, that answer got me like this  :shock:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 24, 2010, 12:35:01 PM
I do not believe this theory of which LMP and Michael esten together, if I believe that she knows this one of the deception but to think that his marriage with Michael Lockwood is a deception not, to involve a few girls in all that, making see that his parents estan married and his father is another person seems to me to be absurd and a very delicate topic, have looked at photos of the girls and of Michael Lockwood in Internet and they look like more that there is LMP.
 A very different thing is does not know the one who is the mother of ridge-tile (that this matter is not a problem of us), a mother is necessary to invent him.
 It is probable that Michael (deserves to be very happy) if it has some pair but I do not believe that it is LMP
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: finfin on October 24, 2010, 12:58:51 PM
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10458)
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
I just have to add this as I am perplexed by it and I must admit that I tend to analyze things closely:

Did anyone find it suspicious that LMP said that she was the last one standing with Michael?????? Oprah then asked a question and it was clarified to be that at the private funeral LMP was standing alone over Michael's casket---as everyone else had exited the room. Now, call me crazy, but this brings to mind Karen Faye and company's claim that they had spent 9 hours with Michael preparing his make-up and clothing for the funeral. It all sounds rather ludicrous and revealing to me.
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by shelby61 » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:53 pm

One other thing, I asked my hubby who is very much into photography and knows his cameras and angles, etc. about that picture of LMP with the casket. He says it is a picture that was taken a long ways away because of the clarity of the flowers as opposed to the object they were trying to photograph (which is LMP).. overall though he said that the photo was a fake.
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by ~Souza~ » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:51 pm

Ijustcantstoplovingu wrote:
Having watch all 3 parts of the Oprah interview, dont you think it is a HUGE coincidence that when Lisa went back in to be with MJs casket when everyone else (her words) had left because she couldnt leave him, there just "happened" to be a photographer present to capture the moment for HIStory    

This is getting stranger and stranger.

LOL, you're right. I guess the photographer couldn't leave either...  
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by paula-c » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:11 pm

By that this LMP's photo next to the coffin is published 16 months after Michael's "death"?, probably still we have not seen everything.

I would just like to comment about the picture with LMP and the casket,  I think it is completely absurd that she has had her picture taken in the first place.  I do not know why the media have not said this is strange - why in the world would anyone pose for a photo with a casket, never mind the ex-wife of the most famous person in the world - what would be the purpose.  As Oprah said it would be a private moment - not so private now!  To put this on the TV is morbid, given that the viewing audience thinks Michael is dead
I also agree with michael supporter that it can be put beside the Karen Faye  and company claim to be dressing and putting make up on Michael for 9 hours as being ludicrous, especially as he would have been dead for over 2 months.
Also I think it is interesting that in the whole interview I did not hear LMP say that Michael had "died","passed" or mentioned his "death" Oprah was the one who said these words
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 24, 2010, 01:03:19 PM
If it is strange that at times "private" is always a photographer
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: angelshadow on October 24, 2010, 01:12:58 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
If it is strange that at times "private" is always a photographer

Exactly!!! How practically in this case.....
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: nefari on October 24, 2010, 01:22:11 PM
I do not appreciate the sarcasm here that I get 90 percent of the time. I simply state my opinion and get attacked. I never said anything about Michael running off and leaving ANY kids first off. You all must take me for a cruel bit*h which really hurts my feelings because I do not promote abandoning children. I never implied a Disney movie either. And good things do happen in real life and anyone who thinks they dont must be a negative depressed nim wit. Sorry to think positive and burst your little sobbing bubbles. Sorry to try and be helpful and talk to you people at all. You can go back to your disturbing bleak outlooks now. This sort of thing makes me wonder what the he** I even come here for because I see nothing but fighting and fussing day after day. Go ahead and warn me, flag me, throw me off the forum. I couldn't care less. Single me out! But just know I'm not the only one being attacked on this forum.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 24, 2010, 01:25:19 PM
ok do i understand that she was at all three occasions: the memorial , the widely views night time funeral and the private services. is this not the one she that which she said she was the last one there? if that is the case and this is where the picture is from then it looks like the casket was never open.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: finfin on October 24, 2010, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
I do not appreciate the sarcasm here that I get 90 percent of the time. I simply state my opinion and get attacked. I never said anything about Michael running off and leaving ANY kids first off. You all must take me for a cruel bit*h which really hurts my feelings because I do not promote abandoning children. I never implied a Disney movie either. And good things do happen in real life and anyone who thinks they dont must be a negative depressed nim wit. Sorry to think positive and burst your little sobbing bubbles. Sorry to try and be helpful and talk to you people at all. You can go back to your disturbing bleak outlooks now. This sort of thing makes me wonder what the he** I even come here for because I see nothing but fighting and fussing day after day. Go ahead and warn me, flag me, throw me off the forum. I couldn't care less. Single me out! But just know I'm not the only one being attacked on this forum.
Hi Nefari, your posts are just as valid as anyone else's on here. You were not the only one suggesting that MJ and LMP could still be together - the way things are these days, anything could be possible, please do not be discouraged  :)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Sinderella on October 24, 2010, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
I do not appreciate the sarcasm here that I get 90 percent of the time. I simply state my opinion and get attacked. I never said anything about Michael running off and leaving ANY kids first off. You all must take me for a cruel bit*h which really hurts my feelings because I do not promote abandoning children. I never implied a Disney movie either. And good things do happen in real life and anyone who thinks they dont must be a negative depressed nim wit. Sorry to think positive and burst your little sobbing bubbles. Sorry to try and be helpful and talk to you people at all. You can go back to your disturbing bleak outlooks now. This sort of thing makes me wonder what the he** I even come here for because I see nothing but fighting and fussing day after day. Go ahead and warn me, flag me, throw me off the forum. I couldn't care less. Single me out! But just know I'm not the only one being attacked on this forum.


Firstly,I have never attacked anyone over the internet or in real life..in my life.
My sarcasm statement was about the manual which was apologised for and it's fine.No one has a manual or direction to follow this in that is why it needs a team of people who have different opinions.
My point was to point out there are children involved in this on both sides so saying they are still married-not just you but anyone..in my own opinion..is wrong.
I am not in a sobbing bubble,im in a realistic one.Also..no need for name calling.
No one faught with you....i gave my opinion as a reply.which I am entitled to..as are you,and you gave yours.
No one singled you out,those are your words no one elses.
No one insulted you,like you have just done to me and whoever else doesn't share your opinion.

The whole hoax and all parts are a constant debate of opinions.There are 4000+people on here,no one person thinks the same and everyone has something different to add or speak about.

I am not a 'nim wit' I am extremley educated and gave my opinion.Sorry you didn't like it but I didn't agree with yours.Difference is,I never insulted you.


Moving on....
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on October 24, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
Here is a page with lots of pictures of LMP and her husband Michael Lockwood.
http://www.fanpop.com/spots/lisa-marie-and-michael-lockwood/images/14169711/title/lmp-ml-forever-3-photo

(http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/08/08-15/lisamarie1.jpg)

Some photos of the twins, just precious.

(http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/lisa-marie-presley-twins-first-picture-04_med.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/19/article-1221375-06E07C8F000005DC-276_468x315.jpg)

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:z_d8iwb6aLbcMM:http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/betsyb3/lisaandtwins.jpg&t=1)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: friendlikeme81 on October 24, 2010, 01:52:06 PM
what do you think about the white glove here? did anyone see it on the original casket?

[attachment=0:2hdmwb4m]white glove on casket.jpg[/attachment:2hdmwb4m]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ni-co-le on October 24, 2010, 02:09:35 PM
they look so cute the twin girls  ;) thanks for posting :)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MJonmind on October 24, 2010, 02:26:21 PM
Quote from: "finfin"
Quote from: "nefari"
I do not appreciate the sarcasm here that I get 90 percent of the time. I simply state my opinion and get attacked. I never said anything about Michael running off and leaving ANY kids first off. You all must take me for a cruel bit*h which really hurts my feelings because I do not promote abandoning children. I never implied a Disney movie either. And good things do happen in real life and anyone who thinks they dont must be a negative depressed nim wit. Sorry to think positive and burst your little sobbing bubbles. Sorry to try and be helpful and talk to you people at all. You can go back to your disturbing bleak outlooks now. This sort of thing makes me wonder what the he** I even come here for because I see nothing but fighting and fussing day after day. Go ahead and warn me, flag me, throw me off the forum. I couldn't care less. Single me out! But just know I'm not the only one being attacked on this forum.
Hi Nefari, your posts are just as valid as anyone else's on here. You were not the only one suggesting that MJ and LMP could still be together - the way things are these days, anything could be possible, please do not be discouraged :)
Agreed!

My thoughts, we all agree that TS, TIAI, and TMZ are integral parts of this hoax, that they are some of the glue that holds everything together. Well, it was they who so strongly pushed Elvis and MJ, Lisa's sunflowers, his whole family being actors. We do know that Karen Faye has strongly come out since the "death" pushing for justice for MJ, how thin and sickly he was. Her final response sounds to me to be a mismatch of her other responses. All I know from the LMP site is that she and MJ had a long conversation on the phone in 2005, and that he still really wanted her and loved her. We all agree that it is MJ himself who is working behind the scenes directing this entire "movie" hoax, or he is truly dead and we are deceived to be pitied creatures, and it is the Illuminati, AEG, Sony that have gone to all the trouble of creating the intricasies of this hoax weaving together Michael's own heart and soul with it. No!!! A thousand times no, that just can not make sense. The sunflowers in Oprah's set are testimony to us that this is Michael arranging this, and allowing Lisa to be herself and Oprah to have her ratings and go out with a bang. But in the whole entertainment business collectively we probably don't know how in sinc they are planning a big spectacular gigantic "show" of the century with MJ at the helm. These are after all, the movers and shakers of the world, and this IS the man who runs things behind the curtain. :?  :D
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MFFreedom on October 24, 2010, 02:28:00 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
what do you think about the white glove here? did anyone see it on the original casket?

[attachment=0:3jyqv10o]white glove on casket.jpg[/attachment:3jyqv10o]

Just looking at this funeral picture with an open mind, the face simply looks somewhat weirdly tilt and not in line with the whole hairdo - especially along the parting (of the hair). Also, the proportion feels off. I feel the photoshopper  :lol: didn't really have an eye for the size of her face in comparison to the hairdo  :roll:   :lol:

My comment about the interview: what made my ears pop up was Lisa talking about 'injections that he needet to have' - a line she was repeating quite a few times. I was like "Huh?! You don't know what these injections were for?" Initially hearing it the first time it felt rehearsed, she just forgot to think out the details ... that's why she concluded with ... "just injections that he needed.  :?: ... and then she changed her seating position in a manner as if she thought 'Phew, THAT was close ... ' To me it just felt, as if she kind of felt pushed into a corner by Oprah and was glad, when O dropped the subject ... (half way anyways ... :roll: )

Regarding the background. I only watched it on YT as it was not aired here in Switzerland. The background, the backyard with the trees reminded me immediately of an animated computer movie. The green and the 'sun-light' seemed a bit too clear and too green. It's hard to discribe. Now I know the grass is REALLY green in England  :D but still, it looked too artificial to me.

Overall, I was always a bit distracted by her huge eyelashes and eye make-up  :lol:  :lol:  

So, my 2 cents, Love
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: sprint911 on October 24, 2010, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Here is a page with lots of pictures of LMP and her husband Michael Lockwood.
http://www.fanpop.com/spots/lisa-marie-and-michael-lockwood/images/14169711/title/lmp-ml-forever-3-photo

(http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/08/08-15/lisamarie1.jpg)

Some photos of the twins, just precious.

(http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/lisa-marie-presley-twins-first-picture-04_med.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/19/article-1221375-06E07C8F000005DC-276_468x315.jpg)

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:z_d8iwb6aLbcMM:http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/betsyb3/lisaandtwins.jpg&t=1)
Exactly, i wish people would stop talking out of their asses and saying that Lisa an Michael are together, because they're obviously not. She maybe part of the hoax but that doesn't mean they're in wonderland making out :roll:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 24, 2010, 04:12:28 PM
Unreal....
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: friendlikeme81 on October 24, 2010, 04:16:57 PM
Quote from: "MFFreedom"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
what do you think about the white glove here? did anyone see it on the original casket?

[attachment=1:30zww1oo]white glove on casket.jpg[/attachment:30zww1oo]

Just looking at this funeral picture with an open mind, the face simply looks somewhat weirdly tilt and not in line with the whole hairdo - especially along the parting (of the hair). Also, the proportion feels off. I feel the photoshopper  :lol: didn't really have an eye for the size of her face in comparison to the hairdo  :roll:   :lol:

My comment about the interview: what made my ears pop up was Lisa talking about 'injections that he needet to have' - a line she was repeating quite a few times. I was like "Huh?! You don't know what these injections were for?" Initially hearing it the first time it felt rehearsed, she just forgot to think out the details ... that's why she concluded with ... "just injections that he needed.  :?: ... and then she changed her seating position in a manner as if she thought 'Phew, THAT was close ... ' To me it just felt, as if she kind of felt pushed into a corner by Oprah and was glad, when O dropped the subject ... (half way anyways ... :roll: )

Regarding the background. I only watched it on YT as it was not aired here in Switzerland. The background, the backyard with the trees reminded me immediately of an animated computer movie. The green and the 'sun-light' seemed a bit too clear and too green. It's hard to discribe. Now I know the grass is REALLY green in England  :D but still, it looked too artificial to me.

Overall, I was always a bit distracted by her huge eyelashes and eye make-up  :lol:  :lol:  

So, my 2 cents, Love

thank you for your thoughts  :) I agree with your observation that about Lisa's bodylanguage and the unprecise way she is talking about Michael's drug problem. As you have said, it's like if she has only a vague idea about she is supposed to talk about, as if she is following a prescripted story without having spent deeper thoughts on the details.

and about this casket picture, I have just noticed that the sort of white flower that Lisa is wearing attached on her dress was shopped into the picture, it is not there in the original bouquet.
This picture is soo fake and we are guided to notice that quite obviously (who could have missed that white flower on her chest?)[attachment=0:30zww1oo]flowers on casket.jpg[/attachment:30zww1oo]
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: anewfan on October 24, 2010, 04:36:49 PM
@friendlikeme81...I think she is holding the flower in her left hand and it's just hanging over her body. It looks like she's wearing the flower, but if you look closely, you can see the stem part of it in her left hand. (I thought she was wearing it at first too. )
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: PureLove on October 24, 2010, 05:08:50 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "PureLove"
I don't know why some people started to lose their hope after this interview. We saw Janet, Latoya, Jermaine and some other family members talking about MJ's supposed death. But we didn't lose hope. So why now? Keep the faith guys. Remember all of the things we have found till today. They can not be coincidences only. It doesn't make me feel good too when they talk about MJ like he really died, but this must be in the plan. As long as we believe Michael is alive, we shouldn't forget that he is directing the show. What was said by LMP on Oprah and whatever is said by his parents and kids will be by his direction!

And one last reminder for you all. Oprah show is produced by AEG!!!

Actually, why could it not be coincidences? And if for example money does play a big part in this whole circus since June 25th it would make quite a few things more understandable. How could Michael be directing this interview when it's clear that Oprah couldn't care less (except from the gossip)? And doesn't AEG produce tons of shows anyway? Just trying to put things in other perspectives...

A coincidence? Then we should count everything we have found till today as coincidences which is impossible with THOUSANDS of them, don't you think? I do not believe anything happens without Michael's permission in this hoax. Especially the interviews with family and ex wife.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: PureLove on October 24, 2010, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"

My thoughts, we all agree that TS, TIAI, and TMZ are integral parts of this hoax, that they are some of the glue that holds everything together. Well, it was they who so strongly pushed Elvis and MJ, Lisa's sunflowers, his whole family being actors. We do know that Karen Faye has strongly come out since the "death" pushing for justice for MJ, how thin and sickly he was. Her final response sounds to me to be a mismatch of her other responses. All I know from the LMP site is that she and MJ had a long conversation on the phone in 2005, and that he still really wanted her and loved her. We all agree that it is MJ himself who is working behind the scenes directing this entire "movie" hoax, or he is truly dead and we are deceived to be pitied creatures, and it is the Illuminati, AEG, Sony that have gone to all the trouble of creating the intricasies of this hoax weaving together Michael's own heart and soul with it. No!!! A thousand times no, that just can not make sense. The sunflowers in Oprah's set are testimony to us that this is Michael arranging this, and allowing Lisa to be herself and Oprah to have her ratings and go out with a bang. But in the whole entertainment business collectively we probably don't know how in sinc they are planning a big spectacular gigantic "show" of the century with MJ at the helm. These are after all, the movers and shakers of the world, and this IS the man who runs things behind the curtain. :?  :D

I can not agree with you more!!! BRILLIANT POST!!!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: mjssoulmate on October 24, 2010, 06:29:29 PM
Quote from: "Ijustcantstoplovingu"
Having watch all 3 parts of the Oprah interview, dont you think it is a HUGE coincidence that when Lisa went back in to be with MJs casket when everyone else (her words)  had left because she couldnt leave him, there just "happened" to be a photographer present to capture the moment for HIStory :shock:  :shock:  :?

This is getting stranger and stranger. :roll:

I didn't think photographers were allowed inside.  We haven't seen any photos taken of family members inside on the day of the funeral.  And we know that Katherine never even went inside, most people chose not to.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: loveratheart4mj on October 24, 2010, 06:36:11 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Quote from: "finfin"
Quote from: "nefari"
I do not appreciate the sarcasm here that I get 90 percent of the time. I simply state my opinion and get attacked. I never said anything about Michael running off and leaving ANY kids first off. You all must take me for a cruel bit*h which really hurts my feelings because I do not promote abandoning children. I never implied a Disney movie either. And good things do happen in real life and anyone who thinks they dont must be a negative depressed nim wit. Sorry to think positive and burst your little sobbing bubbles. Sorry to try and be helpful and talk to you people at all. You can go back to your disturbing bleak outlooks now. This sort of thing makes me wonder what the he** I even come here for because I see nothing but fighting and fussing day after day. Go ahead and warn me, flag me, throw me off the forum. I couldn't care less. Single me out! But just know I'm not the only one being attacked on this forum.
Hi Nefari, your posts are just as valid as anyone else's on here. You were not the only one suggesting that MJ and LMP could still be together - the way things are these days, anything could be possible, please do not be discouraged :)
Agreed!

My thoughts, we all agree that TS, TIAI, and TMZ are integral parts of this hoax, that they are some of the glue that holds everything together. Well, it was they who so strongly pushed Elvis and MJ, Lisa's sunflowers, his whole family being actors. We do know that Karen Faye has strongly come out since the "death" pushing for justice for MJ, how thin and sickly he was. Her final response sounds to me to be a mismatch of her other responses. All I know from the LMP site is that she and MJ had a long conversation on the phone in 2005, and that he still really wanted her and loved her. We all agree that it is MJ himself who is working behind the scenes directing this entire "movie" hoax, or he is truly dead and we are deceived to be pitied creatures, and it is the Illuminati, AEG, Sony that have gone to all the trouble of creating the intricasies of this hoax weaving together Michael's own heart and soul with it. No!!! A thousand times no, that just can not make sense. The sunflowers in Oprah's set are testimony to us that this is Michael arranging this, and allowing Lisa to be herself and Oprah to have her ratings and go out with a bang. But in the whole entertainment business collectively we probably don't know how in sinc they are planning a big spectacular gigantic "show" of the century with MJ at the helm. These are after all, the movers and shakers of the world, and this IS the man who runs things behind the curtain. :?  :D


Loved your commnets!! Thanks!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: mjssoulmate on October 24, 2010, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: "sandythyme"
Just a couple of things I want to throw out there about the interview.  I thought Lisa was respectful and sincere.  I noticed the non eye contact with Oprah, that could just mean she is shy and doesn't like to be "out there", center of attention as she mentioned.  I liked the fact that she showed Michael in a positive light.  He had his moments, but she also had her moments.  It was important that Lisa admitted her mistakes.  Why it took this long to understand him.....Well at least  it happened.  The proposal - as stated we heard it was done over the phone.  So now he pulls out a 10 carat diamond AND I THINK HE GOT DOWN ON HIS KNEES to propose as well.  Sorry, but I think I would remember if a man got down on his knees to propose marriage to me.  Now maybe because she has been married a few times....I don't know.  I just know I would remember.  Finally the last conversation that they had in 2005, Michael  said he was afraid  someone was going to murder him for his catalog and estate.  Lisa said he gave her names, but she wouldn't mention them.  Why would a mother of four, admit on national television that she knows the names of the people that Michael suspected would try to kill him?  That's crazy, that would be putting Lisa and her family in danger. My thoughts on the interview, I am glad it happened.  It was done to clear the air.  But some comments just didn't make sense to me.  Take care, Love to All.

I agree with you.  It seems like a dangerous statement to make.  This was done with a purpose in mind.  I can't figure out what it is, but all the Jackson's have stated the same thing.  They all say they have names, and that Murray is just a fall guy.  Fall guy or not, he is still the one who allegedly killed Michael.  Why are they making excuses for him?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: loveratheart4mj on October 24, 2010, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "MFFreedom"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
what do you think about the white glove here? did anyone see it on the original casket?

[attachment=1:1csvxgos]white glove on casket.jpg[/attachment:1csvxgos]

Just looking at this funeral picture with an open mind, the face simply looks somewhat weirdly tilt and not in line with the whole hairdo - especially along the parting (of the hair). Also, the proportion feels off. I feel the photoshopper  :lol: didn't really have an eye for the size of her face in comparison to the hairdo  :roll:   :lol:

My comment about the interview: what made my ears pop up was Lisa talking about 'injections that he needet to have' - a line she was repeating quite a few times. I was like "Huh?! You don't know what these injections were for?" Initially hearing it the first time it felt rehearsed, she just forgot to think out the details ... that's why she concluded with ... "just injections that he needed.  :?: ... and then she changed her seating position in a manner as if she thought 'Phew, THAT was close ... ' To me it just felt, as if she kind of felt pushed into a corner by Oprah and was glad, when O dropped the subject ... (half way anyways ... :roll: )

Regarding the background. I only watched it on YT as it was not aired here in Switzerland. The background, the backyard with the trees reminded me immediately of an animated computer movie. The green and the 'sun-light' seemed a bit too clear and too green. It's hard to discribe. Now I know the grass is REALLY green in England  :D but still, it looked too artificial to me.

Overall, I was always a bit distracted by her huge eyelashes and eye make-up  :lol:  :lol:  

So, my 2 cents, Love

thank you for your thoughts  :) I agree with your observation that about Lisa's bodylanguage and the unprecise way she is talking about Michael's drug problem. As you have said, it's like if she has only a vague idea about she is supposed to talk about, as if she is following a prescripted story without having spent deeper thoughts on the details.

and about this casket picture, I have just noticed that the sort of white flower that Lisa is wearing attached on her dress was shopped into the picture, it is not there in the original bouquet.
This picture is soo fake and we are guided to notice that quite obviously (who could have missed that white flower on her chest?)[attachment=0:1csvxgos]flowers on casket.jpg[/attachment:1csvxgos]


Friends if that photo of Lisa by the casket is real then she is definitely a big player in this hoax too  L)>):>)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: loveratheart4mj on October 24, 2010, 06:41:03 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE your comment. That would be the most awesomest ever for sure!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: suspicious mind on October 24, 2010, 07:05:33 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Here is a page with lots of pictures of LMP and her husband Michael Lockwood.
http://www.fanpop.com/spots/lisa-marie-and-michael-lockwood/images/14169711/title/lmp-ml-forever-3-photo

(http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/08/08-15/lisamarie1.jpg)

Some photos of the twins, just precious.

(http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/lisa-marie-presley-twins-first-picture-04_med.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/19/article-1221375-06E07C8F000005DC-276_468x315.jpg)

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:z_d8iwb6aLbcMM:http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/betsyb3/lisaandtwins.jpg&t=1)


i'm going there again  ;) even these pics give the impression of lisa being thinner even after the twins . and more viberant. maybe she has been under stress by all of this one way or another. even though ophra did say that they had had ocaasion to be in contact at a previous time they shouldn't have been wearing the same clothes. the same clothes ;)  where have we incountered that before ;) ?

it was interestig that when she mentioned picking him up from a certain doctor and mentioning injections to me implies klien. he is always talking about these injectables that he has been working with.around that time though would michael have been having anything of that nature done. ?


they also talked about him having trouble sleeping but no mention of him trying to do anything about it. i remember that having a problem being able to get sleep was supposed to have been how elvis got started having problems.


 :oops: think i am babbleing again. sorry
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: 2 Bad on October 24, 2010, 07:32:35 PM
" Overall, I was always a bit distracted by her huge eyelashes and eye make-up :lol: :lol: "

That distracted me too! Also squinting her eyes and looking up away from the camera, creepy :lol:
My sister would squint like that when we argued, like it was a mean look, drove me crazy!
When I argue you can see my eyes  :shock:
I can understand she was uncomfortable, I would have been, but I certainly would not have been so self centered and "Me!" about it.
I am sick at hearing drugs, drugs, drugs. This is all leading to the Dr. getting off easy, which plays with our theories and wrecks havoc with non-believers that have hate in their hearts. Weeding out the true followers?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: mjkate on October 24, 2010, 07:39:03 PM
I know this is farfetched and maybe mentioned already. I got the feeling that Lisa Marie was speaking to Michael as opposed to the audience. She was maybe in on the hoax but hasn't been able to spend any time with him. I thought this mainly because she was talking about her love for him and now understanding his for her. That sounds like something she wants him to know not an audience of strangers. Also, the sunflowers sitting there was a nice touch but who were they meant for. I felt like they were meant to be for MJ to see. Like a peace offering. The same with the message about the fireplace in the library. Maybe that has even more meaning for the two of them - the engagement but who knows what else she could be referring to to...it could have a hidden message for him. She was getting lots off her chest but it would only be helpful to her if he was listening or she hoped he would be. If I think of myself in her shoes, there would be no way I would find it helpful to sit in front of the world with Oprah and talk about those private things unless this was the only way I could get a message to the person I wanted to hear. Michael stayed so private about his life and he would not have thought it was cool that she would do an interview like that - discussing his drug use and addiction - unless she was asked to for the hoax - AND she would get to clear the air with him...the whole interview seemed to be about either his drug use or her intoxicated love for him. Too much info for me but a perfect amount of info for him. I am not saying they are still together at all...it just sounded like she was aplogizing for not being there for him as a friend who cared deeply. Just my opinion - thanks for listening
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 24, 2010, 07:56:28 PM
The friendship is also love ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: PinkTopaz on October 24, 2010, 10:39:34 PM
Quote from: "sprint911"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Here is a page with lots of pictures of LMP and her husband Michael Lockwood.
http://www.fanpop.com/spots/lisa-marie-and-michael-lockwood/images/14169711/title/lmp-ml-forever-3-photo

(http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/08/08-15/lisamarie1.jpg)

Some photos of the twins, just precious.

(http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/lisa-marie-presley-twins-first-picture-04_med.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/19/article-1221375-06E07C8F000005DC-276_468x315.jpg)

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:z_d8iwb6aLbcMM:http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/betsyb3/lisaandtwins.jpg&t=1)
Exactly, i wish people would stop talking out of their asses and saying that Lisa an Michael are together, because they're obviously not. She maybe part of the hoax but that doesn't mean they're in wonderland making out :roll:
Oh, would you stop- it may not be the most realistic and we may not the same, but can't they post what they choose, I mean come on, it does sound nice-  (speaking of sisters, 2 Bad)one of mine was standing behind me just now and she said about the twin babies- "Cute, but wouldn't it be awesome if they had black hair and wide brown eyes?"
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: starlight30 on October 25, 2010, 12:03:50 AM
Did anyone find it odd that LMP referred to MJ as a gnome. It was when they were talking when he couldn't sleep at night.

A gnome ( /noʊm/[1]) is a diminutive chthonic spirit in Renaissance magic and alchemy, first introduced by Paracelsus and later adopted by more recent authors including those of modern fantasy literature. Its characteristics have been reinterpreted to suit the needs of various story-tellers, but it is typically said to be a small, humanoid creature that lives underground.[2]

The name gnome has been used in the Fantasy genre, typically in a cunning role, e.g. as an inventor.[6]

In L. Frank Baum's Oz series, the Nomes (so spelled), especially their king, are the chief adversaries of the Oz people. Ruth Plumly Thompson, who continued the series after Baum's death, reverted to the traditional spelling.

In C. S. Lewis's The Chronicles of Narnia, gnomes, or "Earthmen" as they are sometimes called, live in the Underland, a series of subterranean caverns. Unlike the traditional, more humanlike gnomes, they can have a wide variety of physical features and skin colors. They are used as slaves by the Lady of the Green Kirtle.

J. R. R. Tolkien, in the legendarium surrounding his Elves, uses "Gnomes" as a name of the Noldor, the most gifted and technologically minded of his elvish races, in conscious exploitation of the similarity with gnomic; Gnomes is thus Tolkien's English loan-translation of Quenya Noldor, "those with knowledge". In The Father Christmas Letters, which Tolkien wrote for his children, Red Gnomes are helpful creatures who come from Norway to the North Pole to assist Father Christmas and his Elves in fighting the wicked Goblins.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: starlight30 on October 25, 2010, 12:04:22 AM
Did anyone find it odd that LMP referred to MJ as a gnome. It was when they were talking when he couldn't sleep at night.

A gnome ( /noʊm/[1]) is a diminutive chthonic spirit in Renaissance magic and alchemy, first introduced by Paracelsus and later adopted by more recent authors including those of modern fantasy literature. Its characteristics have been reinterpreted to suit the needs of various story-tellers, but it is typically said to be a small, humanoid creature that lives underground.[2]

The name gnome has been used in the Fantasy genre, typically in a cunning role, e.g. as an inventor.[6]

In L. Frank Baum's Oz series, the Nomes (so spelled), especially their king, are the chief adversaries of the Oz people. Ruth Plumly Thompson, who continued the series after Baum's death, reverted to the traditional spelling.

In C. S. Lewis's The Chronicles of Narnia, gnomes, or "Earthmen" as they are sometimes called, live in the Underland, a series of subterranean caverns. Unlike the traditional, more humanlike gnomes, they can have a wide variety of physical features and skin colors. They are used as slaves by the Lady of the Green Kirtle.

J. R. R. Tolkien, in the legendarium surrounding his Elves, uses "Gnomes" as a name of the Noldor, the most gifted and technologically minded of his elvish races, in conscious exploitation of the similarity with gnomic; Gnomes is thus Tolkien's English loan-translation of Quenya Noldor, "those with knowledge". In The Father Christmas Letters, which Tolkien wrote for his children, Red Gnomes are helpful creatures who come from Norway to the North Pole to assist Father Christmas and his Elves in fighting the wicked Goblins.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MJonmind on October 25, 2010, 12:59:14 AM
Something I noticed in all the pics of Lisa with M. Lockwood, there doesn't seem to be a lot of chemistry or affection between them. Maybe their marriage for her is more one of peace and serenity. Whereas when she was with Michael, observers including D. Trump thought they couldn't seem to keep their hands off each other, and constantly looked like they were crazily in love, kissing all the time. Photographers noted that they naturally intertwined their bodies. Well I don't see any passion in these pics. I think after Lisa's meltdown, she wanted a relationship that was a little more out of the public eye, and a man who never gave her any backtalk or grief, a yesman. MJ was no yesman, and I think they were a perfect match, 2 passionate firey people. But the public, her mother and the media didn't give them a chance. What marriage could withstand that? Just as after MJ and her divorce, and her going back to Danny Keough, MJ and her continued their romance out of the public eye. What makes you think this possibly easy-going M. Lockwood is also not accommodating Lisa keeping a little fire on the side. Her present to him might be 2 gorgeous little girls, a high living standard, some fame, but in trade for allowing her to have a side love interest. Debbie Rowe also was such a loving giving person, not minding at all, that though she had married MJ to give him the children, she knew his heart belonged to Lisa. She often said they had a non-traditional marriage. So Nefari, you may not necessarily be too far off. MJ realized and even said it, that if he married, it would have to be someone with money and equal fame, and that Lisa Marie was about the best and only match for him. What Michael wants he will not give up until he has. JMHO, who knows!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: nefari on October 25, 2010, 03:22:13 PM
Thanks everyone. I'm not saying I'm right but I appreciate just being able to have a voice as others do. I don't have to be correct. I just want truth but I am the type of person that believes in "all things are possible" and "no stone unturned". Lockwood to me is as important as Murray in all of this and we should keep all eyes on both.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: liegi on October 25, 2010, 03:25:06 PM
Nefari--good point.  They look like an odd couple.  Would there be any reason for LMP coming out and interviewing with Oprah now?  Do you think Oprah convinced her?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 25, 2010, 07:08:18 PM
This was what TS said in his last post:

Report this postReply with quoteSilencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
by TS » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:59 am

"Also, even though MJ and LMP are not married anymore: yet it is disrespectful to MJ (as well as LMP) to minimize the Elvis connection—even if there were NO other connections! Just a few days after the TIAI Update #6 on Elvis and MJ was posted, Jermaine spoke very highly of LMP and MJ {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91T8jCl_EE}. Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??"
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Andrea on October 25, 2010, 07:30:22 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
This was what TS said in his last post:

Report this postReply with quoteSilencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
by TS » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:59 am

"Also, even though MJ and LMP are not married anymore: yet it is disrespectful to MJ (as well as LMP) to minimize the Elvis connection—even if there were NO other connections! Just a few days after the TIAI Update #6 on Elvis and MJ was posted, Jermaine spoke very highly of LMP and MJ {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91T8jCl_EE}. Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??"

I'm pretty convinced TS is a genuine informer.
Thank you for the reminder paula!
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 25, 2010, 07:35:29 PM
;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: miriam34 on October 25, 2010, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: "loveratheart4mj"
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE your comment. That would be the most awesomest ever for sure!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D

I hope so... :D
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 25, 2010, 11:30:12 PM
Quote from: "miriam34"
Quote from: "loveratheart4mj"
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE your comment. That would be the most awesomest ever for sure!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D

I hope so... :D

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..... I hope not  :lol:  
They looked great together when they were married and Michael never looked better in his entire life in my opinion, but ..... he said he was married to his work. Maybe he changed his mind in the meantime.... Am I the only one who thinks Michael and marriage don't exactly go together  :D ?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: missdanipyt on October 26, 2010, 05:30:06 PM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "miriam34"
Quote from: "loveratheart4mj"
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE your comment. That would be the most awesomest ever for sure!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D

I hope so... :D

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..... I hope not  :lol:  
They looked great together when they were married and Michael never looked better in his entire life in my opinion, but ..... he said he was married to his work. Maybe he changed his mind in the meantime.... Am I the only one who thinks Michael and marriage don't exactly go together  :D ?

I agree with you. I mean, I know Michael was always searching for love and he really loved women, he said this several times and plus its obvious haha, and when he was in love it WAS a really beautiful thing, however he not only said he was married to his work but he said he was married to his fans, and married to life in general. He might have also said he was married to God too or something like that I dont remember.. Plus I know he said Lisa was the love of his life, he looked GREAT when he was with her (so did she) and I LOVE seeing him happy... but I dont care WHAT happens, something about that woman just doesnt sit well with me. I preferred him with Brooke Shields. Even though I actually prefer him SINGLE cuz otherwise I get HELLUH jealous!!  :lol:  haha but seriously, lust for MJ aside, I don't like LMP and the way she treated Michael. He can do much better in my opinion, he's a King who needs a Queen! He deserves the best of the best. Nothing in my mind makes me thing they would still be together.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 26, 2010, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "miriam34"
Quote from: "loveratheart4mj"
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE your comment. That would be the most awesomest ever for sure!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D

I hope so... :D

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..... I hope not  :lol:  
They looked great together when they were married and Michael never looked better in his entire life in my opinion, but ..... he said he was married to his work. Maybe he changed his mind in the meantime.... Am I the only one who thinks Michael and marriage don't exactly go together  :D ?

I don't see why not? He just needs someone he trusts and a woman who can tame the man, because I think being married to Michael Jackson isn't that easy (read: I think HE isn't that easy). Maybe in a way Lisa would have been perfect for him, yet I think she might not have been strong enough when you look at the cult she was/is involved in.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: PinkTopaz on October 26, 2010, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "miriam34"
Quote from: "loveratheart4mj"
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE your comment. That would be the most awesomest ever for sure!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D

I hope so... :D

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..... I hope not  :lol:  
They looked great together when they were married and Michael never looked better in his entire life in my opinion, but ..... he said he was married to his work. Maybe he changed his mind in the meantime.... Am I the only one who thinks Michael and marriage don't exactly go together  :D ?

I don't see why not? He just needs someone he trusts and a woman who can tame the man, because I think being married to Michael Jackson isn't that easy (read: I think HE isn't that easy). Maybe in a way Lisa would have been perfect for him, yet I think she might not have been strong enough when you look at the cult she was/is involved in.
I agree, Souz- there are just too many people in this world for that! I also agree that a woman should be strong and vibrant for him, and in a lot of ways Lisa was a nice fireball match, but at the end of that day the cult gets in the way..
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MashMike on October 27, 2010, 01:50:45 AM
missdanipyt you took words just out of my mouth, i absolutely share your opinion
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 27, 2010, 02:29:59 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "miriam34"
Quote from: "loveratheart4mj"
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE your comment. That would be the most awesomest ever for sure!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D

I hope so... :D

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..... I hope not  :lol:  
They looked great together when they were married and Michael never looked better in his entire life in my opinion, but ..... he said he was married to his work. Maybe he changed his mind in the meantime.... Am I the only one who thinks Michael and marriage don't exactly go together  :D ?

I don't see why not? He just needs someone he trusts and a woman who can tame the man, because I think being married to Michael Jackson isn't that easy (read: I think HE isn't that easy). Maybe in a way Lisa would have been perfect for him, yet I think she might not have been strong enough when you look at the cult she was/is involved in.
Well, maybe I should say Michael and a conventional marriage don't go together :D
I think He neeed an extraodinary woman, just like him, sensitive and clever enough to understand his way of thinking and gorgeous at the same time.
I'm afraid that kind of woman wasn't born yet.
What cult is Lisa involved in  :? ? Are we talking about scientology?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 27, 2010, 03:10:15 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
What cult is Lisa involved in  :? ? Are we talking about scientology?

Yes
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: For All Time on October 27, 2010, 05:39:50 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "miriam34"
Quote from: "loveratheart4mj"
Quote from: "nefari"
I don't think them being married would be strange at all. And we were led to believe that her and Lockwood are together, led to believe that her and good ole Nick were together. Please please prove any of it is true. I'll never believe any of it. I think if LMP and Michael up and ran away together it would be the most romantic thing in history and I would have not one problem loving him as much as I always have. I'd be like way to go Michael, you got your woman now be happy sweetie.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE your comment. That would be the most awesomest ever for sure!!!!!!! :D  :D  :D

I hope so... :D

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..... I hope not  :lol:  
They looked great together when they were married and Michael never looked better in his entire life in my opinion, but ..... he said he was married to his work. Maybe he changed his mind in the meantime.... Am I the only one who thinks Michael and marriage don't exactly go together  :D ?

I don't see why not? He just needs someone he trusts and a woman who can tame the man, because I think being married to Michael Jackson isn't that easy (read: I think HE isn't that easy). Maybe in a way Lisa would have been perfect for him, yet I think she might not have been strong enough when you look at the cult she was/is involved in.
Well, maybe I should say Michael and a conventional marriage don't go together :D
I think He neeed an extraodinary woman, just like him, sensitive and clever enough to understand his way of thinking and gorgeous at the same time.
I'm afraid that kind of woman wasn't born yet.
What cult is Lisa involved in  :? ? Are we talking about scientology?

I think he didn't find the perfect woman for him.If they were together on this day , then i would say that him & Lisa are right for each other, but they are not so....I agree with u Gina , Michael needs a strong woman, beautiful & intelligent...Where is she ?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 27, 2010, 06:22:22 AM
Where is she? I don't know. If we take something from each one of us, his fans, maybe we can invent that woman for him :D

But maybe he already found her and we don't know.....imagine...the whole mistery would be gone if suddenly we hear he's married  :D . Not good, not good :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 27, 2010, 06:30:30 AM
"Don't try to understand me, but simply do the things I say"  
That kind of woman   :D  ?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: For All Time on October 27, 2010, 07:21:41 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
"Don't try to understand me, but simply do the things I say"  
That kind of woman   :D  ?
O yes...i can be like that  :D
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 27, 2010, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: "For All Time"
Michael needs a strong woman, beautiful & intelligent...Where is she ?
(http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)

I could not help it  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: missudi12 on October 27, 2010, 10:29:16 AM
Here I am,Here I am,,,,,,I wish,lol lol
My impression of Lisa,and its just mine is I get the feeling,when shes inlove with someone,she likes to have their attention,and spend time with them,Michael had alot of people around and probobly couldnt give her his attention all the time,and I think she got jealous,I read somewhere she was abit like that with Karen Faye,because she was close to Michael,I can understand because I have been like that,I think we can all get insecure at times,Doesnt matter how much money ones got,we still all human,and have flaws.I read or heard Lisa say she couldnt stand all the people around him,I think Lisa is more of a private person,and didnt like all the attention,but this is just my opinon.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ni-co-le on October 27, 2010, 10:46:23 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "For All Time"
Michael needs a strong woman, beautiful & intelligent...Where is she ?
(http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)

I could not help it  :lol:  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: i was just thinking the same  ;) :mrgreen:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on October 27, 2010, 11:47:05 AM
:lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 27, 2010, 12:35:20 PM
Quote from: "ni-co-le"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "For All Time"
Michael needs a strong woman, beautiful & intelligent...Where is she ?
(http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)

I could not help it  :lol:  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: i was just thinking the same  ;) :mrgreen:

Ni-co-le :arrow: (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)
Gema  :arrow:  (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)

Any one else?  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 27, 2010, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: "missudi12"
I read or heard Lisa say she couldnt stand all the people around him,I think Lisa is more of a private person,and didnt like all the attention,but this is just my opinon.

Should be a difficult task to be the partner of a popular man as Michael Jackson is. Surely one must endure a lot and I don´t think that it is easy.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on October 27, 2010, 02:13:43 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "ni-co-le"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "For All Time"
Michael needs a strong woman, beautiful & intelligent...Where is she ?
(http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)

I could not help it  :lol:  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: i was just thinking the same  ;) :mrgreen:

Ni-co-le :arrow: (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)
Gema  :arrow:  (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)

Any one else?  :lol:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/images/smilies/jumr.gif) :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 27, 2010, 02:24:23 PM
You won :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on October 27, 2010, 02:38:45 PM
Yay! :mrgreen: :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: nefari on October 27, 2010, 03:17:28 PM
Gema I love your little smilies "Me me me!!!" lol
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: missdanipyt on October 27, 2010, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: "MashMike"
missdanipyt you took words just out of my mouth, i absolutely share your opinion
Glad to hear it! ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Andrea on October 27, 2010, 08:31:31 PM
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 28, 2010, 01:24:08 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "For All Time"
Michael needs a strong woman, beautiful & intelligent...Where is she ?
(http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)

I could not help it  :lol:  :lol:
Gema be careful what you wish for  :lol:
Maybe the boy is here reading  ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: _Anna_ on October 28, 2010, 01:45:34 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...
Really? The first thing that I saw was that it is NWO backwards.
But I highly doubt Oprah would ever leave such clue, she practically is one of the manipulated and controlled, that works to dig holes behind some people.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: For All Time on October 28, 2010, 02:05:01 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "For All Time"
Michael needs a strong woman, beautiful & intelligent...Where is she ?
(http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)

I could not help it  :lol:  :lol:
Gema be careful what you wish for  :lol:
Maybe the boy is here reading  ;)
This made me  :lol: We are so many, It's a big line here  ;)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 28, 2010, 02:20:16 AM
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...
Really? The first thing that I saw was that it is NWO backwards.
But I highly doubt Oprah would ever leave such clue, she practically is one of the manipulated and controlled, that works to dig holes behind some people.

It looks like a subliminal message.


Quote from: "For All Time"
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "For All Time"
Michael needs a strong woman, beautiful & intelligent...Where is she ?
(http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)

I could not help it  :lol:  :lol:
Gema be careful what you wish for  :lol:
Maybe the boy is here reading  ;)
This made me  :lol: We are so many, It's a big line here  ;)

@MJFAN7 already won  :lol:  she even jumped up and down.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 28, 2010, 02:33:05 AM
Quote from: "For All Time"
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "For All Time"
Michael needs a strong woman, beautiful & intelligent...Where is she ?
(http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/trailbreaker77-44444-albums-sports-car-family-picture3265-smiley-raising-waving-hand.gif)

I could not help it  :lol:  :lol:
Gema be careful what you wish for  :lol:
Maybe the boy is here reading  ;)
This made me  :lol: We are so many, It's a big line here  ;)

But Gema is the first in line - way to go Gema  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 28, 2010, 02:54:07 AM
I am in so many lines that at the end will be a difficult choice  :lol:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 28, 2010, 05:23:12 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...

Besides NWO backwards, it also seems to say "I OWN you...." It's kinda hypnotizing with those colors.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 28, 2010, 05:53:31 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...

Besides NWO backwards, it also seems to say "I OWN you...." It's kinda hypnotizing with those colors.


forget the line, back to reality  :D
I think it is just a coincidence
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 28, 2010, 06:39:26 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...

Besides NWO backwards, it also seems to say "I OWN you...." It's kinda hypnotizing with those colors.


forget the line, back to reality  :D
I think it is just a coincidence

Sorry, but I don't believe in coincidence. If you want to believe that, it's fine by me, but I see things differently. This IS reality to me. Not questioning anything and simply think it's a coincidence is escaping from reality. JMO.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 28, 2010, 06:43:02 AM
I knew you will say that :D
But "I own you" - what could it mean?

If it was "I owe you..." I would have understood the meaning

Or I'm mistaken the 2 words?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 28, 2010, 07:02:49 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
I knew you will say that :D
But "I own you" - what could it mean?

If it was "I owe you..." I would have understood the meaning

Or I'm mistaken the 2 words?


I own you, or you are mine... I think you need to do some reading on subliminal messages, NWO and mind control.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 28, 2010, 07:28:18 AM
so you see it like they say "I own you..." - "I control you.." ?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 28, 2010, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
so you see it like they say "I own you..." - "I control you.." ?

Something like that, yes.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Stranger In Chi-town on October 28, 2010, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...
When I first heard about her network about a year or so ago, I also noticed how it spelled "OWN", AND thought it was a quirky coinkydink, but the "NWO" part I didn't realize until pointed that out the other day on one of these threads.  Curious.  :?
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: jacilovesmichael on October 28, 2010, 09:44:18 AM
Quote from: "Stranger In Chi-town"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...
When I first heard about her network about a year or so ago, I also noticed how it spelled "OWN", AND thought it was a quirky coinkydink, but the "NWO" part I didn't realize until pointed that out the other day on one of these threads.  Curious.  :?

Thanks for posting, I was JUST about to mention that! I've always thought it was kinda freaky... and the launch date for her network reduces to a 6 in numerology...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: trustno1 on October 28, 2010, 09:56:07 AM
I too think that in terms of this hoax there are way too many coincidences for them to be mere coincidences.  However I refuse to accept that nothing EVER happens by coincidence, I see too many examples in my everyday life.  Her name is Oprah Winfrey and it's her network so of course the initials are going to spell out OWN.  Whether there's subliminal messages going on or not.  If she'd called it something else some people would find hidden meaning in that as well!  To not question anything is wrong and that's what this hoax tells us if nothing else but also to question everything, no matter how mundane or benign, would for me mean I am in fact losing my mind!!
  For instance the other day while out shopping I noticed in a local jewellers shop a vase of sunflowers in the window.  It had never been there before and it's the first time they had flowers in the window.  The first thing that flashed into my mind was MJ and for a split-second I thought "is this a sign of some kind?".  Then I caught myself thinking that and worried I was losing it!!
 There are those who think Oprah is in on the hoax, there are those who think she's being used, and there are those who think neither.  So none of us knows but in my humble opinion (and I have read up on mind control and subliminal messages) this could be one of those actual coincidences that are bound to crop up.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Stranger In Chi-town on October 28, 2010, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "Stranger In Chi-town"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...
When I first heard about her network about a year or so ago, I also noticed how it spelled "OWN", AND thought it was a quirky coinkydink, but the "NWO" part I didn't realize until pointed that out the other day on one of these threads.  Curious.  :?

Thanks for posting, I was JUST about to mention that! I've always thought it was kinda freaky... and the launch date for her network reduces to a 6 in numerology...

6 in numerology? For real?  :o


http://www.numberquest.com/knowledge_nu ... ning_6.php (http://www.numberquest.com/knowledge_number_meaning_6.php)
Number 6


 
Harmony, beauty, nurturing, love, marriage, family, responsibility, understanding, sympathy, healing, empathic, perfectionist, order, duty, comfort, service.

Correspondence Tables
Tarot:   Lovers
Astrology:   Venus, Virgo, Gemini
Rune:   Wunjo
I Ching:   Sung
Tree of Life:   Tiphereth, Beauty
Hebrew Letter:   Vau, Samekh
Shamanism:   Duck, Snake, and Lion
Alchemy:   Air
Element:   Earth, Air
Aura:   Rainbow
Colors:   Sky-Blue, Indigo, Rose Pink
Gemstone:   Pearl, Sapphire, Topaz, Yellow Diamond
Musical Note:   G
Plane:   F-Intuitive, O,X-Emotional
Temperament:   F,X-Dual/Mutable, O-Creative/Inspired
Months:   June
Weekday:   Friday
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: karen924 on October 28, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
I too thought, " I OWN you" when I saw O.W.N at first.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Andrea on October 28, 2010, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10452)

Interesting how the logo colors match the colors in the interview (clothing, grass backdrop).

As for the OWN being NWO backwards, Oprah has done the backwards thing before with her production company HARPO...
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 28, 2010, 04:07:18 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10452)

Interesting how the logo colors match the colors in the interview (clothing, grass backdrop).

As for the OWN being NWO backwards, Oprah has done the backwards thing before with her production company HARPO...


Sharp... And the colors in the still of the interview are the other way around too, purple first, orange last.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on October 28, 2010, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10452)

Interesting how the logo colors match the colors in the interview (clothing, grass backdrop).

As for the OWN being NWO backwards, Oprah has done the backwards thing before with her production company HARPO...

Oprah is the O and Lisa is the N  :D
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 29, 2010, 05:11:59 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10452)

Interesting how the logo colors match the colors in the interview (clothing, grass backdrop).

As for the OWN being NWO backwards, Oprah has done the backwards thing before with her production company HARPO...
Indeed  :shock:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on October 29, 2010, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10452)

Interesting how the logo colors match the colors in the interview (clothing, grass backdrop).

As for the OWN being NWO backwards, Oprah has done the backwards thing before with her production company HARPO...

I didn't realize Harpo was Oprah backwards. :shock:
OWN is NWO backwards. :o
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MJonmind on October 29, 2010, 02:32:08 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/oprah_winfrey_network_logo__oPt.jpg)

Oprah's new logo...

(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10452)

Interesting how the logo colors match the colors in the interview (clothing, grass backdrop).

As for the OWN being NWO backwards, Oprah has done the backwards thing before with her production company HARPO...
:o  :shock: Don't forget the eye at the bottom.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: 2good2btrue on October 29, 2010, 08:55:33 PM
Happy Halloween everyone.... ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)   Just for fun

http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/16BejT2ma4UPXiLV (http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/16BejT2ma4UPXiLV)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Andrea on October 29, 2010, 11:41:32 PM
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10452)

Quote from: "~Souza~"
Sharp... And the colors in the still of the interview are the other way around too, purple first, orange last.

Quote from: "Gema"
Oprah is the O and Lisa is the N  :D
I'm wondering if the clothing colors are meant to say "NO"...? Instead of NWO.

(http://www.oprah.com/cgi-bin/ownmedia.cgi?key=homepage_image_doTHciThjfnnOnU2OXhlA&type=image)
With the caption: "Introducing OWN's new look...
Welcome to the new OWN site! We've been busy revamping and gearing up for the big day...1.1.11."   http://www.oprah.com/own (http://www.oprah.com/own)

Notice the launch date? 1111.  I really don't know what to think about Oprah.  I'm wondering if she was forced to retire instead of saying it was her choice...It could be possible that she angered some of the powers that be and they didn't want her on their network tv or something anymore but they are letting her do the rest of her shows on what she wants to finish off on (Jacksons, LMP as an example - ratings=$!).  I realize Oprah was spotted at the Bilderberg meeting but someone on here said something like, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"- maybe OWN is supposed to be NWO backwards, but maybe she is doing what Michael is doing with the 666 / 999, flipping it or reversing it.  Maybe she'll finish her longtime show with a BANG and start her OWN with a BAM.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on October 30, 2010, 12:36:46 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10452)

Quote from: "~Souza~"
Sharp... And the colors in the still of the interview are the other way around too, purple first, orange last.

Quote from: "Gema"
Oprah is the O and Lisa is the N  :D
I'm wondering if the clothing colors are meant to say "NO"...? Instead of NWO.

(http://www.oprah.com/cgi-bin/ownmedia.cgi?key=homepage_image_doTHciThjfnnOnU2OXhlA&type=image)
With the caption: "Introducing OWN's new look...
Welcome to the new OWN site! We've been busy revamping and gearing up for the big day...1.1.11."   http://www.oprah.com/own (http://www.oprah.com/own)

Notice the launch date? 1111.  I really don't know what to think about Oprah.  I'm wondering if she was forced to retire instead of saying it was her choice...It could be possible that she angered some of the powers that be and they didn't want her on their network tv or something anymore but they are letting her do the rest of her shows on what she wants to finish off on (Jacksons, LMP as an example - ratings=$!).  I realize Oprah was spotted at the Bilderberg meeting but someone on here said something like, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"- maybe OWN is supposed to be NWO backwards, but maybe she is doing what Michael is doing with the 666 / 999, flipping it or reversing it.  Maybe she'll finish her longtime show with a BANG and start her OWN with a BAM.

That is a nice thought but, I highly doubt she is keeping her enemies close due to I believe she is down with the enemy.

How do you explain the fact she had all those molestation shows and articles before the LMP talk?

Or why she chose to focus on his drug problems and cement in people's minds again she thinks Mike is guilty?

 How can you explain LMP's statement confirming she thought he maybe guilty by saying she wasn't in the room so how could she honestly know for sure of his innocence?

Hidden agenda.

Numerology is used by the powers to be and the 1/1/11 date is very revealing.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Andrea on October 30, 2010, 09:30:47 AM
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
Quote from: "Andrea"
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10452)

Quote from: "~Souza~"
Sharp... And the colors in the still of the interview are the other way around too, purple first, orange last.

Quote from: "Gema"
Oprah is the O and Lisa is the N  :D
I'm wondering if the clothing colors are meant to say "NO"...? Instead of NWO.

(http://www.oprah.com/cgi-bin/ownmedia.cgi?key=homepage_image_doTHciThjfnnOnU2OXhlA&type=image)
With the caption: "Introducing OWN's new look...
Welcome to the new OWN site! We've been busy revamping and gearing up for the big day...1.1.11."   http://www.oprah.com/own (http://www.oprah.com/own)

Notice the launch date? 1111.  I really don't know what to think about Oprah.  I'm wondering if she was forced to retire instead of saying it was her choice...It could be possible that she angered some of the powers that be and they didn't want her on their network tv or something anymore but they are letting her do the rest of her shows on what she wants to finish off on (Jacksons, LMP as an example - ratings=$!).  I realize Oprah was spotted at the Bilderberg meeting but someone on here said something like, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"- maybe OWN is supposed to be NWO backwards, but maybe she is doing what Michael is doing with the 666 / 999, flipping it or reversing it.  Maybe she'll finish her longtime show with a BANG and start her OWN with a BAM.

That is a nice thought but, I highly doubt she is keeping her enemies close due to I believe she is down with the enemy.

How do you explain the fact she had all those molestation shows and articles before the LMP talk?

Or why she chose to focus on his drug problems and cement in people's minds again she thinks Mike is guilty?

 How can you explain LMP's statement confirming she thought he maybe guilty by saying she wasn't in the room so how could she honestly know for sure of his innocence?

Hidden agenda.

Numerology is used by the powers to be and the 1/1/11 date is very revealing.

I just thought I would throw that possibility out there about Oprah, I'm quite confused as to what Oprah's role may be in this whole thing.  IF she was forced out, it's plausible that she was also forced to do the molestation shows, and was told to focus on the drug aspect during her interview with LMP.  

And I still think it's possible that Oprah herself is being manipulated by Michael, as she is part of the media that he is the master of manipulating.  If that's the case, she could've been striking back at him with the molestation shows, drug questions, etc.

I realize I'm all over the place here but it's good to consider all possibilities.  :)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: SoldierofLOVE on October 30, 2010, 05:27:01 PM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
Happy Halloween everyone.... ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)   Just for fun

http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/16BejT2ma4UPXiLV (http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/16BejT2ma4UPXiLV)


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   Very cute.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: SoldierofLOVE on October 30, 2010, 05:40:22 PM
I just can't accept LMP focusing on drugs.  If she finally understands more why would it be of interest to her to continue to depict MJ as a drug addict.  And, if Oprah was a real journalist, she'd ask why the autopsy doesn't show signs of serious drug use.

Her behavior is counterintuitive for me.  She's gotta be aware of the importance of MJ's image and how it's been tarnished and even if he was a drug addict, which I don't believe, but if it were true, wouldn't you want to make sure people all over the world understood what a good man MJ was?  He was more than a drug addict if you wanted to put it that way.  As the former wife, the so-called only woman he ever loved (according to her but we know he loved Diana immensely), she had an obligation to focus on MJ's strengths and not his weaknesses.  Even a realistic view of a person has strengths and weaknesses.  
I can't understand why she was so one-sided and I do not like it.  Manipulative, intoxicating presence is all we got.  Enough!

As for Oprah, why didn't she ask what it was like for LMP to travel with MJ and visit sick children?  What Neverland was like with the visits of impoverished and sick children or his generosity with charities.  Why does no one want to focus on who he was (is) as one of the greatest humanitarians to walk the earth?  Why not ask one question about his genius? His God-given talent?  

And, I'm sorry, Elvis was not the man that MJ was.  I am not saying anything negative about Elvis but they were NOT alike in personality,  imo.  

When you have an opportunity to spread the right message all over the world this is all we got?  People will believe LMP more than anyone else and it seems that this interview set us back 5 steps. Okay, 7 steps. I'm not getting it and I'm very angry about it.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: karen924 on October 30, 2010, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"
I just can't accept LMP focusing on drugs.  If she finally understands more why would it be of interest to her to continue to depict MJ as a drug addict.  And, if Oprah was a real journalist, she'd ask why the autopsy doesn't show signs of serious drug use.

Her behavior is counterintuitive for me.  She's gotta be aware of the importance of MJ's image and how it's been tarnished and even if he was a drug addict, which I don't believe, but if it were true, wouldn't you want to make sure people all over the world understood what a good man MJ was?  He was more than a drug addict if you wanted to put it that way.  As the former wife, the so-called only woman he ever loved (according to her but we know he loved Diana immensely), she had an obligation to focus on MJ's strengths and not his weaknesses.  Even a realistic view of a person has strengths and weaknesses.  
I can't understand why she was so one-sided and I do not like it.  Manipulative, intoxicating presence is all we got.  Enough!

As for Oprah, why didn't she ask what it was like for LMP to travel with MJ and visit sick children?  What Neverland was like with the visits of impoverished and sick children or his generosity with charities.  Why does no one want to focus on who he was (is) as one of the greatest humanitarians to walk the earth?  Why not ask one question about his genius? His God-given talent?  

And, I'm sorry, Elvis was not the man that MJ was.  I am not saying anything negative about Elvis but they were NOT alike in personality,  imo.  

When you have an opportunity to spread the right message all over the world this is all we got?  People will believe LMP more than anyone else and it seems that this interview set us back 5 steps. Okay, 7 steps. I'm not getting it and I'm very angry about it.

Agreed UNLESS someone had/has a hidden agenda
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: hope on October 30, 2010, 10:38:15 PM
Also, with Oprah and even Lisa, comparing Elvis to Michael, and somehow making Elvis out to be such an amazing person and idol (dont get me wrong, because I love Elvis too). Do they forget that Elvis was a walking pharmacy when he died with way worse drugs than Michael was taking (at the time of his death). And, no disrespect, but Michael was also there raising his children hands on. I remember Lisa saying before that she wouldnt see her dad for days at a time because he would sleep through her visits. So, I too, get frustrated when anyone compares Michael to Elvis.  :evil:
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: LyricalMiracles on November 01, 2010, 09:00:18 AM
Could somebody kindly tell me where I can watch this full interview? I missed it the day it aired it seems :(  Thanks in advance <3
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Andrea on November 01, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: "LyricalMiracles"
Could somebody kindly tell me where I can watch this full interview? I missed it the day it aired it seems :(  Thanks in advance <3
Go to page 5 on this thread, you'll find the first part and there's two more parts afterwards, you just might have to scroll a bit.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MJonmind on November 01, 2010, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: "hope"
Also, with Oprah and even Lisa, comparing Elvis to Michael, and somehow making Elvis out to be such an amazing person and idol (dont get me wrong, because I love Elvis too). Do they forget that Elvis was a walking pharmacy when he died with way worse drugs than Michael was taking (at the time of his death). And, no disrespect, but Michael was also there raising his children hands on. I remember Lisa saying before that she wouldnt see her dad for days at a time because he would sleep through her visits. So, I too, get frustrated when anyone compares Michael to Elvis.  :evil:
I still remember TS saying that the Elvis connection is brought into the hoax not necessarily for comparison but also for contrast (how different they are). Yes I agree with you that Michael is far ahead in every category.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: missudi12 on November 04, 2010, 02:47:11 PM
Is it me,or did anyone else notice Lisa to me,kept making a point of saying,We were in the Library sitting by the fire,It just came into my head the other day,and I,ve been trying to see if there were any clues in what she said,but havent come up with anything as yet. :(
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on November 04, 2010, 03:35:14 PM
Off topic but it really made me laugh. Someone in the comments of TMZ referred to Oprah W. as Orca W
People have a funny way to bull others at times.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ignisaeternus on December 27, 2010, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: "backstager"
I liked how she stood up for their marriage. Loved it actually. And I found it very odd (in a good way) that LMP kept making references to Elvis throughout the interview. And also odd that she kept bringing up "the library by the fireplace" is there any significance in that? Also, there was mentioning of vampires and spiders...? I don't know what to think of that either.

I'm still trying to decipher it all.

On a side note: Did anyone else find it weird that LMP said she saw the Bashir interview and thought that Michael was intoxicated?

And I'd like to close my post by saying that photo of LMP by "Michaels Casket" looks posed. And how is it JUST being leaked now, more than a year after the fact?

I'm just catching up on this thread- so I apologize in advance if I raise issues that will be raised again after this post (but which I have not read yet).  The fireplace also caught me by surprise.  Having been an avid investigator into Michael and Lisa's relationship (which I believe to be much deeper than people believe, the fireplace proposal also caught my eye and ear. Especially because the fireplace was also mentioned in her blog after his "death." (Fireplace- hm...meaning....phoenix rising from the ashes?)
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ignisaeternus on December 27, 2010, 03:02:45 PM
cont:
Furthermore- the picture at the funeral.  I was like- ARE YOU KIDDING ME????  I belong to several big MJ/LMP boards and NO ONE has seen this picture before.  I have seen Lisa and Riley hiding several rows up, but I have NEVER seen that image of Lisa standing over Michael's casket.  Who took it?  (she was the last person there, she said) Why was it just leaked now?  Yeah, right!  This was one of the most glaring clues there.  

I tend to think that Lisa was brought into the hoax that day.  Someone mentioned the quote where she said "that gave her another six months of things to process" (not verbatim, but that was the gist)...well, yeah!

I do believe Michael never got over her- and seeing her face no in that interview, I do not think she got over him.  Her husband is toast.  Her facial expression was ELATED when she talked about Michael and how well she understands him now.  I do believe she thought she had lost him- and now, "all this love and understanding" is back.  I think, when she talked about him before, those instances was fueled by 1) anger (she had "lost their unity" felt like an outsider, etc.  Makes me wonder- did Michael not let her in all the way after their divorce - remember, they galavanted around quite publically for a long time- on purpose?), 2)immaturity, and 3) being heavily influenced by others and what THEY wanted her to believe.  
Now, she KNOWS better.  She is one of the rare outsiders the family let in (invited to the funeral, the private party afterwards..which was odd in itself; and access To Forest Lawn).
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ignisaeternus on December 27, 2010, 03:09:10 PM
cont:

There was also a very quiet article a while back about Lisa being a nurturing presence in the lives of the  children.  Well, yeah- who better to be there for them then SHE who has LIVED this scenario and can really help them cope with it?  
Lisa has never once cashed in on Michael.  Yes, she has run her mouth- but I believe that was a misguided effort to get his attention (like a two year old throwing herself on the ground)- in addition to the other reasons I mentioned before.  
I believe Michael, after having coped with her pretend-indifference (which he probably saw through after analysing her), decided it was important to let her in on the hoax.  
I think her move to England as well as The Oprah interview pretty much out of the blue just before the interview of the kids and Katherine (which we hear was instigated by the Jackson camp) are  connected.  Too many coincidences once again.  
Sorry for the triple post- can you tell I am passionate about this topic??/  :D And I know that many do not see eye to eye with me on Lisa, and I expect and respect that.  But this is what my mind came up with after putting together investigations about their marriage and more so their tumultuous relationship post divorce and the death hoax thoughts, and Lisa's interview.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MsTrinity333 on January 03, 2011, 11:23:04 AM
I agree with you...it may have been my statement on another thread you were quoting.   :)
Her reaction at the funeral was too real; and now she understands and smiles... I think she has been brought into the hoax and those 6 mos were processing time.  I can't help but think of a line from the movie 2012 where Jackson asks 'Do you love him?' and she answered something to the effect of 'I love him enough'... :shock:   Ok.  Call me slow but I didn't sit down and watch this movie in it's entirety until Dec 31st 2010.  I fell off my chair so many times I just decided to stay on the floor. :lol:   I spent the first 2.5-3 mos of this "hoax" deeply grieving, praying and unable to function.  Yes I saw the This Is Also It link on the official site when advertising the pre-order of TII or what ever...and I thought; "what a bunch of sick people."  Around Sept-Nov I started watching hoax investigator vids ie Piano Games etc...Things in MJ's death just did NOT add up and were really bugging me!  Come Christmas people started sending me L7W's videos and I thought what the H__. is this?!  :roll:  I blew Seven off about three times...  :lol: True to form for me.  I'm a skeptic; but once I'm on board with something or someone, I don't let go.  I'm very loyal and stubborn that way... and that inc. defending Lisa too.  There's a reason she wrote all those songs, played indifferent; which we all know she wasn't, moved to England, brought the sunflowers, wore peals & purple.  That picture at MJ's funeral is the only one out there I know of.  COINCIDENCE?  I think not.  Haven't we learned by now there ARE no coincidences?

L.O.V.E. Eternally
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 03, 2011, 12:19:40 PM
Lisa Marie is VERY married to Michael Lockwood and they have beautiful twins. You can continue to romanticize and fantasize that LMP and MJ are together but this just isn't the case.

LONDON, ENGLAND - NOVEMBER 11 2010: Lisa Marie Presley attends the World Premiere of Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows: Part 1 held at The Odeon Leicester Square on November 11, 2010 in London, England.

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06rN1qT9W7eoq/610x.jpg)

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02DIeWZcQV5bI/x610.jpg)

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09xE1PN9Rc5WC/x610.jpg)

Reuters Pictures  1 month ago
http://www.daylife.com/photo/06rN1qT9W7eoq?q=Lisa+Marie+Presley

Lisa Marie Presley credits hubby with helping her cope with MJ’s death
October 20, 2009 Hello Magazine

London, Oct 20 (ANI): American singer Lisa Marie Presley has credited her husband Michael Lockwood for supporting her through the tragic death of her ex-husband Michael Jackson.

Presley, 41, who had been married to the late King of Pop for two years between 1994 and 1996, was left devastated by his sudden death in June this year.

“I am so very sad and confused with every emotion possible. I am heartbroken. This is such a massive loss on so many levels, words fail me,” the Daily Star quoted her as having said at the time of his death.

And now she has revealed to Britain’s Hello magazine that it was her hubby Lockwood, who helped her get through her grief and helped her to heal.

“He has cried with me, he has left me alone to cry if that’s what I needed. I have never met a more selfless and supportive person,” she told the mag.

Presley also took solace in her 12-month old twins with Lockwood, insisting little Finley and Harper gave her comfort in those sad days.

“They both have such a sweetness about them that it breaks (my) heart,” she added.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MsTrinity333 on January 03, 2011, 01:09:14 PM
Sorry...
I don't buy it; neither does anyone else who has kept an eye on MJ's & Lisa's relationship through the yrs.  Many people think ML is just a cover or a convenience.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 03, 2011, 01:29:28 PM
Why did LMP move to the UK?
It has to do with how she feels about LA but also the Church of Scientology.

Lisa Marie Presley ditches $5M Los Angeles pad for a $12M mansion in the UK
December 6th 2010

Lisa Marie Presley is saying goodbye to the USA and hello to the UK.

Elvis Presley's baby girl sold her 8,000 square-foot Los Angeles ranch, which sits atop three acres of land in the gated Hidden Hills neighborhood, for $5 million, reports the Daily Mail.

Presley swapped the eight-bedroom, nine-bathroom property in LA for a  major upgrade: she reportedly bought a Kent, England, mansion for over $12 million.

The new home boasts 11 bedrooms, an indoor pool and sauna and 90 acres of land.

It's no secret that Michael Jackson's ex-wife isn't too thrilled with Los Angeles these days. She told the Mail last year that it had "gotten dramatically worse in the last five or six years, even more shallow if that's even possible."

Presley also reportedly plans to record her third album in London, where she said the culture, people and beauty have reawakened her.
http://www.sortmusic.com/rss/en/l/lisa-m-presley/f20101206/C1B8A25AD7.html

Lisa Marie Presley purchased an 8 million dollar home in Tunbridge Wells, Kent - England. Lisa Marie Presley and husband Michael Lockwood  have purchased a mansion in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, which will be guarded with patrolling guards on quad bikes.
http://www.elvispresleynews.com/LisaMariePresley-Kent.html

Tunbridge Wells, Kent, UK (Scientology's LATEST centre!)
I was absolutely SHOCKED to find out that my own town is the latest base for the 'Church' of Scientology; I adore this town and knowing that these pieces of filth have gotten their claws into it has really got my blood boiling.

Is anyone else in or around Kent up for taking a stroll down to the lovely Highstreet of Tunbridge Wells, West Kent? If you're from another part of Kent then may I suggest making a day/weekend of it - there's lots to see here!

Here are the details:
Church of Scientology Mission of Tunbridge Wells
47A High Street
Kent
TN1 1XL
Tel: (01892) 530-1137
Email: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/33-europe/tunbridge-wells-kent-uk-scientologys-latest-centre-2297/

Lisa Marie Presley - Presley Finds English Home Near Scientology Base
19 August 2010

LISA MARIE PRESLEY has bought a $12 million (£8 million) estate in England close to the former world headquarters of the Church of Scientology, according to a U.K. report.

The singer has lived in California since her father Elvis passed away in 1977, but she recently revealed plans to set up home in England - putting her five-bedroom ranch up for sale at just under $9 million (£6 million).

The King's daughter has now found her perfect British home in the town of Tunbridge Wells, Kent, which lies close to the town of East Grinstead, Sussex - where Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard settled in 1959 after moving from the U.S., reports Britain's The Sun.

The 11-bedroom pad has an indoor pool, cinema, sauna - as well as a lake in its huge grounds.

Presley is a devout follower of the controversial religion, insisting it stopped her "going mad or killing herself" and helped her quit drugs as a teen.
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/presley-finds-english-home-near-scientology-base_1159206

Opposition To Scientology

FUSS
In 1995 a campaigning group was formed, calling itself Families Under Scientology Stress (FUSS), to bring together ex-members and concerned families. Two members of FUSS, Richard and Judy Price of Tunbridge in Kent, were amongst those who received threats of legal action from the Church's solicitor, accusing them of planning "unlawful and tortuous acts" against the Church. The Prices told a local newspaper that they were suffering "harassment and intimidation" including unsolicited visitors to their house late at night. The Church of Scientology spread a rumour to the press that Richard Price was an alcoholic, which he denied.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_the_United_Kingdom
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MissG on January 03, 2011, 01:38:39 PM
I believe that LMP loves Michael Jackson as a friend. She is married now with the father of her twins Michael Lockwood and I am sure that she loves that man as a husband, not Michael.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: paula-c on January 03, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
If i agree with Serenitys_Dream and Gema
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 03, 2011, 03:20:18 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
If i agree with Serenitys_Dream and Gema
I do too. I think there is mutual respect and love towards each other, but as friends. Even though I did have my doubts (and sometimes I still have them) I do think their marriage was real, it just didn't work out. I think the Scientology was a big factor in that.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: mjkate on January 03, 2011, 03:35:01 PM
Even if the reason for the marriage wasn`t real at the begginning...they were friends and I think she did fall for him and he her. They seem so happy and sweet together. It was either a strong friendship or they were in love. Then when things got tough, whether it was the children issue, or him switching to scientology issue, they hadn`t been together long enough or had enough experience with relationships to whether the storms. I do really have a strong suspicion now after watching the mj secret hollywood doc, that scientology did have a role to play in helping him with his image. During the Diane Sawyer interview she did ask him about his views and he said no he wasn`t a scientologist and then they both have stated that the relationship started going down hill shortly after that interview. It could have been the church said ok walk away, it could be because LMP said she thought it was an odd thing that Michael should adopt her kids (He didn`t look like he liked that) it could have been because of her vacation with Danny or his with the Cascios. The scientology scenario reason just makes a lot of sense.....he was already friends with her so she would have been trying to sway him, the church already wanted him so they would have been encouraging her, they have helped others and he needed help, Brian Oxman said he say checks made payable to scientology....imo I think it was a combination of friendship and the church thinking they could help and him accepting a little help to try it out. He said himself he went to meetings.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ignisaeternus on January 03, 2011, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
I believe that LMP loves Michael Jackson as a friend. She is married now with the father of her twins Michael Lockwood and I am sure that she loves that man as a husband, not Michael.

I would hope that for Lisa and I would be a BIT more convinced if she just looked like she loved him once in a while (have you seen the wedding pictures? To say she looked disinterested would be an understatment.  Priscilla looked happier than LMP).  Look at the pictures of her and Michael Lockwood- where is the love in her eyes?  I am big time into non-verbals and I just don't see it.  Now, when she spoke about Michael on Oprah, - there was that spark again that was there in her eyes in the happy times with MJ.  That spark during the early marriage, and then again in the late 90s (Ivy Pics anyone?).  
So, possibly, she made peace in her life and made a calm, content life with Lockwood and the children- and like I said, I hope that this is the  case.  But nothing in the universe will ever convince me that she lied about Michael having been "the highest high" of her life emotion-wise.  Her face said it all- unless she is the most amazing actress I have ever seen.  And even Oprah commented on this (according to Gayle King's website)- pointing out that Lisa was still very much in love with MJ and that she (O) advised her to focus on her husband and move on.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MsTrinity333 on January 03, 2011, 05:21:17 PM
Quote from: "ignisaeternus"
Quote from: "Gema"
I believe that LMP loves Michael Jackson as a friend. She is married now with the father of her twins Michael Lockwood and I am sure that she loves that man as a husband, not Michael.

I would hope that for Lisa and I would be a BIT more convinced if she just looked like she loved him once in a while (have you seen the wedding pictures? To say she looked disinterested would be an understatment.  Priscilla looked happier than LMP).  Look at the pictures of her and Michael Lockwood- where is the love in her eyes?  I am big time into non-verbals and I just don't see it.  Now, when she spoke about Michael on Oprah, - there was that spark again that was there in her eyes in the happy times with MJ.  That spark during the early marriage, and then again in the late 90s (Ivy Pics anyone?).  
So, possibly, she made peace in her life and made a calm, content life with Lockwood and the children- and like I said, I hope that this is the  case.  But nothing in the universe will ever convince me that she lied about Michael having been "the highest high" of her life emotion-wise.  Her face said it all- unless she is the most amazing actress I have ever seen.  And even Oprah commented on this (according to Gayle King's website)- pointing out that Lisa was still very much in love with MJ and that she (O) advised her to focus on her husband and move on.

EXACTLY... I see no real love there.  She never looks happy with Lockwood.  But when she was with MJ the eyes, physical contact & hand holding said it all.  I used to be a portrait photographer; we're good at reading peoples body language & eyes.  You can't fake that in pictures.  And as far as the Scientology goes; it said FORMER home...doesn't mean she bought it for that purpose.  I've heard from other friends on other social sites a year ago that Lisa's picture has disappeared from some Scientology sites and that she may be distancing or leaving the cult.  I hope she has.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 03, 2011, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: "MsTrinity333"
I've heard from other friends on other social sites a year ago that Lisa's picture has disappeared from some Scientology sites and that she may be distancing or leaving the cult. [/color]
Let's hope she did.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ignisaeternus on January 03, 2011, 05:50:12 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "MsTrinity333"
I've heard from other friends on other social sites a year ago that Lisa's picture has disappeared from some Scientology sites and that she may be distancing or leaving the cult. [/color]
Let's hope she did.

The thing is, it's not so easy to get out- and she does have her kids to worry about.  These people don't play around, as you all know.  So, maybe (and hopefully) the whole bigger picture ties to getting the goods on Scientology as well (I've always wondered how much their influenced reached into the conspiracy to try to destroy Michael over all this time)- and a weakening of their cult (sorry, I fail to see them as a religion) would finally free Lisa from their influence (by removing the threat to her family).
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 03, 2011, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: "MsTrinity333"
I've heard from other friends on other social sites a year ago that Lisa's picture has disappeared from some Scientology sites and that she may be distancing or leaving the cult.  I hope she has.

Lisa Marie Presley: Stop Slamming Scientology!
Lisa Marie Presley has taken to her blog to tell her fans that now is NOT the time to be bashing Scientology. Here’s what the daughter of Elvis had to say:

“I wished I could be writing you under happier circumstances but I cannot because two of my very good friends, (John and Kelly Travolta) the sweetest people in the world, have just encountered the worst possible tragedy a parent could be forced to endure, the death of their son Jett.

“My heart is crying and bleeding for them. I personally would not have it in me to bury my own child. I am writing this because I have noticed that for the most part, people and the media have been very sympathetic and respectful, but there are those certain ones that want to use this horrible tragedy as an opportunity to once again, blame and or attack Scientology?”

“Folks, as popular as it has been to discriminate and ridicule Scientology and Scientologist’s in the recent past , Now is NOT the time. I realize that there is a lot of mis information out there about the subject which has caused a lot of stone throwing but we are not still in the dark ages and it is still an Unconstitutional Injustice to partake in and encourage such condemnation.

“Among most of the crazy made up garbage that goes around about it , It is not true that Scientologist’s ‘Don’t believe in’ medical care, medicine or medical Doctors and that may have something to do with this terrible tragedy. Just like anyone else, if one is sick, they go to the doctor, If a medication will make it better then they take it. If they don’t then they are an idiot and you can’t blame their religion. Whatever medical and or physical condition Jett had, I can tell you first hand that his parents were on a tireless, never ending quest to get and provide him with the absolute best care anyone could ever ask for and need, Medically, physically, emotionally, medicinally and spiritually.

“I am not writing this to preach my beliefs, I am here to protect my friends. To the few of you out there that this may apply to, Let’s not use the tragic death of a child to facilitate your insatiable need to attack and destroy Scientology shall we? John and Kelly have done nothing but spend their lives and their time helping others, making people happy and making peoples lives better. Please let this family grieve in peace. ~LMP”

Lisa, 40, also had this to say about her 3-month-old twin girls Harper and Finley: “PS, I am so sorry it has been such a long time since I have written. I have just been soaking up the love and the happiness that these two little babies have brought us. More on that soon…….:) Thank you so much for all of your well wishes. I love and miss you very much. I’ll be in touch.”
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/01/06/lisa-marie-preseley-scientology/

Lisa Marie Presley: Don't "Blame Scientology" for Jett's Death
Jan-6-09

Lisa Marie Presley is as devastated about Jett Travolta's death as the rest of the world, but she cautioned readers in a MySpace post this morning that the public should not use the tragedy as an excuse to attack Scientology. Below is the complete post.

Now Is Not The Time.
I wished I could be writing you under happier circumstances but I cannot because Two of my very good friends, (John and Kelly Travolta ) the sweetest people in the world have just encountered the worst possible tragedy a parent could be forced to endure, the death of their son Jett.
My heart is crying and bleeding for them.
I personally would not have it in me to bury my own child.
I am writing this because I have noticed that for the most part, people and the media have been very sympathetic and respectful, but there are those certain ones that want to use this horrible tragedy as an opportunity to once again, blame and or attack Scientology?
Folks, as popular as it has been to discriminate and ridicule Scientology and Scientologist's in the recent past , Now is NOT the time.
I realize that there is a lot of mis information out there about the subject which has caused a lot of stone throwing but we are not still in the dark ages and it is still an Unconstitutional Injustice to partake in and encourage such condemnation.
Among most of the crazy made up garbage that goes around about it , It is not true that Scientologist's "Don't believe in " medical care , medicine or medical Doctors and that may have something to do with this terrible tragedy.
Just like anyone else, If one is sick , they go to the doctor, If a medication will make it better then they take it.
If they don't then they are an idiot and you can't blame their religion.
Whatever medical and or physical condition Jett had , I can tell you first hand that his parents were on a tireless, never ending quest to get and provide him with the absolute best care anyone could ever ask for and need, Medically, physically, emotionally, medicinally and spiritually.
I am not writing this to preach my beliefs, I am here to protect my friends.
To the few of you out there that this may apply to,
Let's not use the tragic death of a child to facilitate your insatiable need to attack and destroy Scientology shall we?
John and Kelly have done nothing but spend their lives and their time helping others, making people happy and making peoples lives better.
Please let this family grieve in peace.

~LMP
http://www.zimbio.com/Lisa+Marie+Presley/articles/96/Lisa+Marie+Presley+Don+t+Blame+Scientology

This is just a rumour that was posted on a single thread on an ex-Scientology forum without a link or documentation.
http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=13106

IS LISA MARIE PRESLEY LAVISHING ELVIS'S MILLIONS ON SCIENTOLOGY
September 26, 2010 By James Murray

IN THE leafy hollows of East Sussex, the only child of Elvis Presley has quietly set up home with her fourth husband and their two young children and is living the life of a recluse. For the past month, Lisa Marie Presley and musician Michael Lockwood have been staying in a £10million home set in 50 acres yet no neighbours have actually seen them.

Attempts to speak to her on the intercom of the gated property proved fruitless when a security man with an American drawl said: ‘‘There’s nobody by that name living here, sir.”

Whatever the guard says, everyone in the area is convinced Elvis’s daughter is relishing the peace of living like the lady of the manor, far from the madness of Los Angeles.

As the nights draw in, the conversation over pints of ale at Lisa’s local, The King’s Arms, inevitably turns to the raven-haired 42-year-old, who had brief marriages to Michael Jackson and Nicolas Cage. The question on everyone’s lips is: why has she forsaken the glitz of Hollywood for a Sussex backwater?

The answer almost certainly lies in the fact that her new home, near the village of Rotherfield, is just a few miles away from Scientology’s 59-acre British, and former world, headquarters at Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead.

Lisa Marie counts fellow followers Tom Cruise and his wife Katie Holmes among her closest friends along with John Travolta, whom she spoke up for candidly following the death of his teenage son Jett in the Bahamas last year.

Angry Lisa Marie issued a public statement claiming certain people wanted to use Travolta’s “horrible tragedy” as an opportunity to “blame and or attack Scientology”.

The fact that a British judge once accused the organisation of being “sinister and dangerous” must baffle the devoted disciple of founder L Ron Hubbard, a sci-fi writer who was the subject of regular FBI investigations during his lifetime and who sought sanctuary in East Grinstead while being pursued by his enemies.

While the people of Sussex are delighted Lisa Marie and her family are neighbours, some wonder about her motives. As one neighbour asked last week: “Are Elvis’s millions being used to bankroll the church? That is all people here are talking about.”

Scientology chiefs never like to discuss donors but it is naive to think that Lisa Marie has not been generous in her support of the organisation she credits with saving her life.

It has been suggested that she encouraged both her wealthy former husbands, Jackson and Cage, to get fully involved but they reportedly weren’t as keen to follow the teachings of a man who believed we evolved from a race which crash landed on Earth in spaceships.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/201781/Is-Lisa-Marie-Presley-lavishing-Elvis-s-millions-on-Scientology
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ignisaeternus on January 03, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
I have read this- and the last sentence always cracks me up.   :lol:

Still... I tend to be careful about such reports- esp as this was in the main media. "Just because you read it in a magazine, see it on a tv screen..."  ;)

If I wanted to get away from "them," was afraid for my kids, and knew the time was not right and that I had to be patient for other reason, I would also scream from the roofs that I am "their" biggest fan...  
So, this article, IMO can be seen from both sides of the argument and depending on your beliefs.  Hopefully, at some point, either side will know who was right.  Right now, we can only speculate.  

Also, it's a strange committed scientologist who wears crosses and says God Bless... I continue to think at some point Lisa woke up, remembered what her father believed in, but was in too deep to get out.  And I continue to think that Michael had something to do with "turning her," which would be one of the main reasons Scientology leaders might have started to get interested in helping to bring him down (since not only did he not join, he also might have been suspected of influencing Lisa).  Of course, that is just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MsTrinity333 on January 03, 2011, 06:42:40 PM
Quote from: "ignisaeternus"
I have read this- and the last sentence always cracks me up.   :lol:

Still... I tend to be careful about such reports- esp as this was in the main media. "Just because you read it in a magazine, see it on a tv screen..."  ;)

If I wanted to get away from "them," was afraid for my kids, and knew the time was not right and that I had to be patient for other reason, I would also scream from the roofs that I am "their" biggest fan...  
So, this article, IMO can be seen from both sides of the argument and depending on your beliefs.  Hopefully, at some point, either side will know who was right.  Right now, we can only speculate.  

Also, it's a strange committed scientologist who wears crosses and says God Bless... I continue to think at some point Lisa woke up, remembered what her father believed in, but was in too deep to get out.  And I continue to think that Michael had something to do with "turning her," which would be one of the main reasons Scientology leaders might have started to get interested in helping to bring him down (since not only did he not join, he also might have been suspected of influencing Lisa).  Of course, that is just my humble opinion.

I think you make some valid points; thank you.  Esp if her Mother & the Elvis estate are still wrapped up in it.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 03, 2011, 07:16:34 PM
Quote from: "ignisaeternus"
Also, it's a strange committed scientologist who wears crosses and says God Bless...

Scientology Cross

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cc/Scientology_Cross_Logo.png/220px-Scientology_Cross_Logo.png)

The Scientology cross is one of the principal symbols of Scientology. It is most often used to represent the Church of Scientology.

The cross closely resembles the Christian cross, but differs from it with the addition of four diagonal rays between the conventional horizontal and vertical arms. The eight points of the cross represent the eight dynamics in Scientology:

   1. The Self
   2. Creativity, sex, and procreation (family)
   3. Group, society, community
   4. Species survival (humankind)
   5. Life forms in general
   6. Matter
   7. Spirit
   8. Infinity or Supreme being

The Church of Scientology says that "the horizontal bar represents the material universe, and the vertical bar represents the spirit. Thus, the spirit is seen to be rising triumphantly, ultimately transcending the turmoil of the physical universe to achieve salvation."

The Scientology cross apparently dates back to the mid-1950s. Scientology's founder L. Ron Hubbard wrote in 1955 that "the model of the cross came from a very ancient Spanish mission in Arizona, a sand casting which [Hubbard] dug up"  He also occasionally referred to it as the "sunburst cross". Hubbard was based in Phoenix, Arizona for a substantial part of 1952, though it is not clear whether his asserted discovery of the cross dates from this period.

Critics of Scientology have noted other possible derivations from occult sources. The Scientology cross is similar to the Rosicrucian or Rosy cross and the similar cross of Aleister Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis. Hubbard was briefly a member of the Rosicrucians and was involved in OTO "magical workings" in Pasadena, California some years before founding Scientology.

The practice of prominently displaying the cross in Scientology centers was instituted in 1969 following hostile press coverage in the United Kingdom and elsewhere, when Scientology's status as a legitimate religion was being questioned. In response, Hubbard ordered that "Any staff who are trained at any level as auditors (but not in A[dvanced] O[rganization]s) are to be clothed in the traditioned ministerial black suit, black vest white collar silver cross for ordinary org wear."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_cross

An excellent post on answers.com with multiple links on the subject of "God and Scientology"
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070810110828AAtF8UY

...some Scientologists do believe in a god, but Scientology is far from theistic, and CERTAINLY not Christian. L. Ron Hubbard (Scientology's founder and "prophet") both outright denied the existence of "the Christian Heaven" and also spoke about visiting such a place (though described it as a mental "implant station", nothing like the Heaven Christianity conceives).
http://www.xenu.net/archive/HCOB/FU-HCOB-630511.html

Furthermore, Scientology asserts that our REAL selves are not our bodies or minds but an eternally existing soul (a Thetan, as Hubbard called it) that resides in body after body over time. This would render the idea of an eternal afterlife quite unnecessary and moot. After a Thetan "Drops the Body" (dies), they are, according to Hubbard, preprogrammed to return to the "implant station" (which could be the "Heaven" describes) where their memories are erased and they are assigned another body.

When Hubbard spoke on the topic of "god", he jokingly postulated a "Big Thetan" but rejected the Christian notion of Yahweh. When it comes to Jesus, Hubbard declared: "The man on the cross; there was no Christ!" and asserted that the ideas of God and Christ are mental implants (he called the implant "R6"). This may be in reference to the Christian messiah or any messiah figure, but regardless, that would rule out Jesus as mankind's Savior.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/christians.html#4

In addition, there's no concept of "sin" in Scientology. As stated by one ex-Scientologist: "[Scientologists] do believe, however, that the spiritual power of the spirit has decreased over zillion of centuries due to the "bad acts" they got involved into. This may be viewed as a form of sin, but the concept is quite different than the traditional concept of sin in Christianity."
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/feedback_interviews.htm

Elvis Heiress In Cult Shock
Daily Express 7th August 1986
Lisa Marie Presley, 18, has joined the Church of Scientology
http://www.dougiethompson.com/elvis-heiress-in-cult-shock.htm

Scientologist
Lisa Marie Presley is a devout Scientologist and thanks the Church of Scientology for keeping her from "going mad or killing herself".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Marie_Presley

She says about her experience as a Scientologist:
L. Ron Hubbard researched man and has carefully and precisely mapped a route out of the madness, misery and unwanted conditions one can encounter in life. When applied exactly, the technology produces incredible results. Those results are very definite and eternal. Were it not for Scientology, I would either be completely insane or dead by now. I am forever grateful for the technology of Scientology and to Mr. Hubbard who dedicated his life to helping man and this planet, as well as to the people who have dedicated their lives to helping others through Scientology.
http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/Part05/Chp19/pg0310.html

That is a long time to be a member of this organization...

"To Whom It May Concern"
To Whom It May Concern is the debut album from American singer/songwriter Lisa Marie Presley. It was released on April 8, 2003 in the United States and Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Whom_It_May_Concern_%28Lisa_Marie_Presley_album%29

Credits for "To Whom It May Concern"
Daniel a.k.a. Snork…If it weren’t for you, this album would have never happened. Thank you for always being there when I needed to write. Thank you for your love. Thank you for continuing to be an anchor in my life. Thank you for being the father of my children and thank you for being yourself, the beautiful, sweet tortured soul that you are, that I connected with so long ago. I love you unconditionally and always will.

Thank you to all the amazing artists who inspired me even if you don’t know who you are. God Bless YOU!
http://www.lisapresley.com/contact/cd_credits.html
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 04, 2011, 09:58:03 AM
Danny Keough
Daniel (Danny) Keough (born November 6, 1964) is a musician and actor and former husband of American singer/songwriter Lisa Marie Presley. Keough is a Scientologist, and met Lisa at the Scientology Celebrity Centre. Keough married Presley, the daughter of Elvis Presley and actress Priscilla Presley at the Church of Scientology in West Hollywood on October 3, 1988.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Keough

Michael Lockwood
Michael Dean Lockwood (born May 22, 1961 in Hawthorne California) is an American guitarist and producer, a native of Bakersfield, probably most well-known for producing and performing with Lisa Marie Presley and Aimee Mann.

He married Lisa Marie Presley in a small ceremony in Kyoto, Japan on January 22, 2006. Like his wife, he is involved with the Church of Scientology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lockwood_%28guitarist%29

It doesn't look like LMP has or is leaving the Church of Scientology anytime soon. Having married another Scientologist and moved to an area in the UK, that has an establish Scientology presence, as well as a new recruitment centre...I believe LMP is more involved with the "Church" than ever.

For myself, it is pretty clear that LMP is not with Michael and is very married to her current husband ML, who is also the father to their twins. This doesn't mean that LMP and Michael were not friends after their divorce. LMP could be involved in the hoax even if they are just friends but I am not sure how direct that involvement is. There is no way of knowing if she is truly aware that Michael is alive and is playing an active role, if she suspects he is alive, or if he planted things/ideas such as "sunflowers are my favourite flower" in preparation for the hoax. Only time will tell how much she knows/knew and how involved she is/was; if at all.

I have provided quite a bit of information on this subject, if you wish to disregard it all because it isn't what you would like to believe, that's fine. But what several members continue to suggest is not reality but simply a romanticizing/fantasizing of the situation.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: MsTrinity333 on January 04, 2011, 10:51:29 AM
While I appreciate research into the Cult that doesn't mean Lisa is ACTIVE in it right now, a lot has happened since MJ's "death" and the birth of her twins, she may be just laying low, processing, distancing herself.  If anyone could change her opinion it would be Michael and his faith.  Yes Scientology did save her when she desperately needed it...so yes, she will defend it to some point inc. her friendship with John Travolta and the death of his son.  But it doesn't mean she personally buys into some of their bs anymore.  She was a wreck up until the funeral; she said she was "the last one standing with him" in the Oprah interview.  Then another 6 mos to process...process what?  The Truth?  Being brought into the hoax?  Seeing things in a new and blinding light?  Was this her clarity?  

She was under a lot of duress; It's times like this we draw on our faith as we understand it. It could be there were things in her heart her "faith" just couldn't square up with this whole situation. We've already established there are no coincidences.  Her interview, wearing purple, pearls, sunflowers, Katherine's interview & the kids.  MJ may have answered some of those questions of faith & enlightened her; leading her in the right direction... We don't know.  But is it wrong to hope so?!  

I'd rather L.O.V.E. & pray for Lisa to come to the truth than slam her understanding of it at this point.  
Love is patient...love is kind.
Title: Re: *New thread* Lisa Marie interview with oprah (spoiler)
Post by: ignisaeternus on January 04, 2011, 11:21:38 AM
ITA, Ms Trinity. ALso interesting how adamant she was that John Travolta's son's death was NOT the fault of Scientologists.  Hm... IF I feared for my family's life, the death of a child of someone who also is in this group of dangerous people might freak me out even more (wether connected or not).

I do not think we should judge people or their motives in times when we can see day by day that things may not be what they seem.  I thought that was one of the points of this whole thing happening around us.  Hopefully, one day, things will be clearer to us and we will understand more fully, but until then, we will all have our positions.

I do agree with the danger of Scientology whole-heartedly.  I see them as extrememly powerful and dangerous.  I just am not convinced of the depth of Lisa's involvement.  ANd at the end of the day, neither one of us can truely know.
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