Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: mjjamm on November 10, 2010, 06:57:30 PM
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This is concering the Otwo Michael, in this post I will prove it was Michael
FIRST Otwo MIchael: NOTICE HOW HIS LIP GOES LOWER ON ONE SIDE:
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/3390/26545639.png)
(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8181/54042884.png)
NOW HERES MICHAEL IN PUBLIC, NOTICE THEY ALL ALSO HAVE A CROOKED SMILE
(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8572/69022308.png)
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7674/agh.png)
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6012/99108445.png)
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I have extensive knowledge of this event,and I'm going to have to disagree with you that it wasn't.
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:ugeek:
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I never thought I'd be getting to know Michael this well...beautiful smile :)
I have to agree with Sind. To me it doesn't look the same either.
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Maybe I was mistaked :b
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I appreciate this....it is nice to see him that close up too! I have almost given up on the comparisons because it can drive a person crazy. My latest take on it is that Michael had such fine attention to detail and the money to make masks, prothetics, teeth and ears all look very similar. If he had wanted to dress the o2 guy up to look so similar to him then he could have. Coule explain why he was late - time was needed to put all the make up on or get the face ready. I was watching Michael at Chritian Audigier's 50's birthday party and for what it is worth, he looked and sounded and even acted a bit like the 02 Michael. So then I thought it was either Michael at both events or their was an imposter at both. I am so confused I don't know what to think anymore. I've decided to give it a break and come back to it another time. Thanks for the research though. CInderella....have you shared you knowledge on the 02 event here. Please let me know where to look for it as I would be interested in reading it. Thanks
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Odd question :oops:
Did MJ have his own teeth or he was wearing porcelain crowns?
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I think you are mjjamm.
And no I haven't,yet as soon as I am finished compiling I will do and link you to the thread.Not a problem
I can't see why he wouldn't of had his own teeth-BUT he might have had to have them altered because of his other cosmetic procedures.
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me? :?:
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I think it's Michael at the O2. I don't believe anyone could look that similar to Michael even with lots of cosmetic surgeries and/or masks or prosthetic makeup.
Compare the second and the third photos which mjjamm posted: you can see that Michael's facial muscles work/move the same way as they worked when he was younger. This cannot be imitated IMO.
Btw. his teeth looks the same to me too.
And last but not least, you look a little different on every photo or even video. It depends on the light, on the angle etc. I know you guys know it, I don't have to explain it, I'm just saying :)
Just watch this Ebony photo, does Michael's smile look as it generally used to look? I think it looks way less a typical Michael-smile than as Michael smiles at the O2.
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Everyone is entitled to believe what they wish to believe and see what they wish to see.
The man at the 02 had more against than for him being Michael than just a smile.
No one saw MJ in 2009 before the 02-which was done on purpose to make this come into question.
You must look at the other factors too though,
Hair,hand movements,voice,accent,HANDS AND NAILS,actions and body language,the walk from the car into the 02 or should I say swagger and bounce,the 02 MJ does not have Michael's lip scar.
Nothing about the 02 MJ...is MJ.
Infact nothing about the entire conference was real...well sort of..there appears to be be two very different stage set ups in a number of photographs lurking about.
Not to mention the fact out of all the hundreds of people there with phones,cameras,etc....next to no photo's from the fans point of view exist.
Then you have the photos that were re-released in Dec 09 with the real MJ's head photoshopped on instead..you can quite clearly see the difference.
Like I say when I have compiled my fact file I will present it.I'm a perfectionist so until I have everything in it...i'm holding on to it.
Just don't base your entire beliefs on one thing.
The hands give it away ;)
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Odd question :oops:
Did MJ have his own teeth or he was wearing porcelain crowns?
as I am a person who first looks at teeth nose and eyes in a person, I must say that his teeth look all natural, with probably some implants or little crowns on his back teeth (because on the front teeth I can't notice it) recently, as when you are passing your 40s it's pretty hard to have your teeth as when you were 20. In my opinion, yes, his teeth are all natural, at least his front ones
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Everyone is entitled to believe what they wish to believe and see what they wish to see.
The man at the 02 had more against than for him being Michael than just a smile.
No one saw MJ in 2009 before the 02-which was done on purpose to make this come into question.
You must look at the other factors too though,
Hair,hand movements,voice,accent,HANDS AND NAILS,actions and body language,the walk from the car into the 02 or should I say swagger and bounce,the 02 MJ does not have Michael's lip scar.
Nothing about the 02 MJ...is MJ.
Infact nothing about the entire conference was real...well sort of..there appears to be be two very different stage set ups in a number of photographs lurking about.
Not to mention the fact out of all the hundreds of people there with phones,cameras,etc....next to no photo's from the fans point of view exist.
Then you have the photos that were re-released in Dec 09 with the real MJ's head photoshopped on instead..you can quite clearly see the difference.
Like I say when I have compiled my fact file I will present it.I'm a perfectionist so until I have everything in it...i'm holding on to it.
Just don't base your entire beliefs on one thing.
The hands give it away ;)
I will be patient to wait for your fact file, I'm a perfectionist too :)
But about "hand movements,voice,accent actions and body language,the walk from the car into the 02 or should I say swagger and bounce", I recommend you to read this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=9453 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=9453)
I found it very possible that this what happened when I read that.
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I have come full circle, as an unfamiliar person at first thinking it was him, then with all the close annalysis that he was a double, and now 16 months later with deeper understanding, now completely convinced this was our mastermind performer MJ, all the way. Absolutely! Now why would MJ give away this prized key star acting position to a double or impersonator? Maybe non-important filler places that don't matter much.
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Odd question :oops:
Did MJ have his own teeth or he was wearing porcelain crowns?
MJ had beautiful teeth so I can't understand why he would have crowns but then again he had/has a beautiful face but that didn't stop him changing it.
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I question because if there is a double, that double, even with an equal smile and teeth, should have the teeth fixed to look as Michaels and there can be differences between teeth.
Even if the double is using a fasad of teeth to look as MJ, MJ has the natural ones. IDK, may be with a photoshop program one can light up the teeth and see if they change colour between doubles? Teeht reacts to light in different ways.
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I am not into double theory, but I now express my opinion regarding natural/false teeth. It's a fact that false teeth (crowns, porcelain implants) won't have the translucidity that natural teeth have. Of course there are types and types of crowns, implants ,ect, and of course there are day by day better materials but never a false tooth will look the same (in structure/texture) as a natural tooth.
Natural teeth have a specific translucidity and you won't find a person who has all his natural teeth having all the same texture and translucidity. This is how you spot a crown- by its texture.
I searhed to show us what I am talking about
Crowns:
(http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy87/Tarja_Rose/Bonding_After.jpg)
Natural: - Michael has gorgeous teeth but here's an usual example of natural teeth and how their translucidity look if you have a HQ close up
(http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy87/Tarja_Rose/Dark-incisor-5-web.jpg)
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Right. Thats why I also asked to make light comparisons.
A ceramic tooth is not as translucent as a bone tooth and will react to light differently.
@Tarja, was it you the one working as a designer? Do you have the tools to alter the light in order to see if the teeth of the "O2 MJ´s" are corresponding to each other?
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Can I just point out that were were shown in TII a table of 6men sitting around with 02 MJ pictures on the screen open in photoshop.Non of the photos lurking on google or anywhere else are original and untouched by photoshop.
You would have to get an original photograph to work from.
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Can I just point out that were were shown in TII a table of 6men sitting around with 02 MJ pictures on the screen open in photoshop.Non of the photos lurking on google or anywhere else are original and untouched by photoshop.
You would have to get an original photograph to work from.
Good point.
I guess we will neer know. Even the original could have been manipulated to create the double controversy.
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I think Michael was wearing weird make-up to look like this Vendetta-guy... It's all an illusion... :?
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Even if Mike himself would come out and say he was O2 dude, he should have to prove it because I would call BS. I agree with Sin, there is nothing about this guy that even makes me think it's him. Everything screams prostetic make-up to me and MJ behind the curtain directing this circus.The mannerisms and voice could have been intentionally weird if it was MJ himself, but the mouth does not match and to me that's a dead giveaway. I don't look at teeth because they are probably false and scars can be made with prostetic make-up.
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Right. Thats why I also asked to make light comparisons.
A ceramic tooth is not as translucent as a bone tooth and will react to light differently.
@Tarja, was it you the one working as a designer? Do you have the tools to alter the light in order to see if the teeth of the "O2 MJ´s" are corresponding to each other?
Yes, I work with photo edition since 10 years - not as my job but as a hobby sort to say. If you want me to help you with something, show me
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Although I hate to dissect Michael, I still believe it's him at the O2. I agree with some posters that his behaviour was very 'weird' and that he spoke with a 'strange' (english) accent (but I heard him doing it before, I believe it was in the Bashir-interview, although I'm not sure about that), but I agree with Mjjamm that his lower lip is a big giveaway. And if you compare his nostrils in the second and thirth picure, then I feel they are very similar. His 'weird' behaviour was probably caused by nerves, he hadn't been in the spotlight for almost 4 years (and the last time for him wasn't in a very happy period to say the least) and maybe he was afraid to get negative reactions (again). Not by his fans ofcourse but you know what I mean.
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(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/149/l_2643c53e28bf4bfaaacb4db754185d79.jpg) Released:March 09
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/138/l_c2ecd7dd9d124312a2fa6efd53408c8c.jpg) Released December 09
Michael must have had an on the spot nose job/St Tropez tan done and then had it wiped off mid speech without anyone seeing ORRRRRR it was these guys realising someone over did it with everything so shit...better make it look more like MJ...
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/post-8295777-12621809005B15D.jpg)
My bet is on the table full of computer photoshop nerds working away at them..
The chin,nose,hands...everything is WRONG wrong wrong.
and Just to show you what else I was talking about earlier,
(http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Announces+Plans+Summer+Residency+1A6E9K1OKTBl.jpg)
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/105/l_51a78fc11b0343aea1f51181c39a81a0.jpg)
Isn't it a shame that all those people and the people behind them lost their footage/usb leads to upload all the photos and filming....all those hundreds of thousands of pictures taken...and none of them made it to google images.
I've got more footage uploaded on the net from the people who went to my shows I used to do than what's up from this 02 nonsense.
I can go on and on
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Theres vids on youtube raw of the announcement
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Theres vids on youtube raw of the announcement
True, I've seen them.
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it was Michael..I know..
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I'm not disputing there are SOME videos up,but there were 2000 people there.2000 people take a lot of photos and videos.
I'd say 98% of the 02 pics available are the approved/controlled ones already photoshopped,red curtain behind him and then the odd one of him arriving/leaving-but not many of those.
MJ might have been there so he was 'spotted' and it made it harder to argue it wasn't him....but it didn't work because it is clearly someone else.
and then just some of MJ through early to mid 2009
(http://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+Hotel+7kxaLI5_tSOl.jpg)
(http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Announces+Plans+Summer+Residency+j8YBTgKHoRkl.jpg)
Ok so not his smile,although that is present too.....did someone give him a hair cut on the way and like....chop off the entire back part of his head to give him a bob...cause when he left his hotel...it was shoulder length to the back-you can see it touching his shoulders,and by the time the 02 kicked off...it was gone.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/06/article-1159645-03C246CE000005DC-296_224x309.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/06/article-1159645-03C2E2B7000005DC-894_224x309.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TEE1ka5KthI/AAAAAAAAApA/ps7bCsVDqo4/s400/MJ+2009+11.jpg)
Feb 2009 ^
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TEEzOn3tFpI/AAAAAAAAAoY/5UaJt_Y9YRc/s400/MJ+2009+TII+38.jpg)
March 2009^
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TEE1JX7rkWI/AAAAAAAAAo4/t0vc96zij9c/s400/MJ+2009+5.jpg)
April 2009^
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TEE0cH6kfyI/AAAAAAAAAoo/pmQ04M6vJzM/s400/MJ+2009+doctors+May+15+1.jpg)
May 2009^
(http://www.clubofmozambique.com/solutions1/sectionnews/data/entertainment/mj_last_06.jpg)
June 09^
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If any of you have a chance to look at Michael at the 50 birthday party of Christian Audigier I saw it somewhere recently and I couldn't believe how much it looked and sounded like the 02 Mike. If I can find it again I will post it. As I said earlier in the post it is either the same imposter or they are both Mike.
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and then just some of MJ through early to mid 2009
(http://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+Hotel+7kxaLI5_tSOl.jpg)
(http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Announces+Plans+Summer+Residency+j8YBTgKHoRkl.jpg)
Ok so not his smile,although that is present too.....did someone give him a hair cut on the way and like....chop off the entire back part of his head to give him a bob...cause when he left his hotel...it was shoulder length to the back-you can see it touching his shoulders,and by the time the 02 kicked off...it was gone.
LOL, I never noticed the difference in the hair length. More that should make people go hmmmmm.
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(http://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+Hotel+7kxaLI5_tSOl.jpg)
(http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Announces+Plans+Summer+Residency+j8YBTgKHoRkl.jpg)
Ok so not his smile,although that is present too.....did someone give him a hair cut on the way and like....chop off the entire back part of his head to give him a bob...cause when he left his hotel...it was shoulder length to the back-you can see it touching his shoulders,and by the time the 02 kicked off...it was gone.
LOL, I never noticed the difference in the hair length. More that should make people go hmmmmm.
Oh,that isn't the best part...
He then returned to the hotel and it had grown back...and also looked more like MJ.
Nose,nails,hands.
(http://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Returning+Hotel+37eDD_599x9l.jpg)
You would think so Souza but there will be people who will still argue against it.
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God please give me magical hair like that!
Oh, but I will play devil's advocate: he changed wigs in between. One hairstyle for on stage, one for signing autographes? :lol:
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God please give me magical hair like that!
Oh, but I will play devil's advocate: he changed wigs in between. One hairstyle for on stage, one for signing autographes? :lol:
I know right,I want magical MJ hair too..lol!
Totally,he had Carol's mobile hair salon in the back of that mini van
'Don't worry....we come to you,wherever you are we have a wig for every situation-call now(may charge extra if en route'
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God please give me magical hair like that!
Oh, but I will play devil's advocate: he changed wigs in between. One hairstyle for on stage, one for signing autographes? :lol:
I know right,I want magical MJ hair too..lol!
Totally,he had Carol's mobile hair salon in the back of that mini van
'Don't worry....we come to you,wherever you are we have a wig for every situation-call now(may charge extra if en route'
:lol:
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I'm not convinced that all the "O2 photos" coming out on the Internet were actually taken at the O2 (and not retouched). The one with the chopped-off hair ("bob") looks suspicious to me... I haven't even seen it before. And watching the video from the conference, I didn't see anything wrong with Mike's hair. (If you want to say it wasn't Michael... That's fine. It's a debate that has been going on for a while, and it can easily continue. I don't want to get into it.)
[youtube:1ytfdw4s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1znYaU0oeo[/youtube:1ytfdw4s]
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Odd question :oops:
Did MJ have his own teeth or he was wearing porcelain crowns?
I heard it was his own teeth
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@ Gema
According to the autopsy he had natural teeth but IMO the look changed dramatically (see thread "How can teeth change ...". The teeth are now very pointy and no regular ... if you compare them to Mike's teeth in the 70s and 80s. Besides, at that time they appeared to be whiter, "thicker" and less transparent.
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Seems pretty certain that MJ has been planning this hoax for at least 21 years. If so do you not think he is pushing for doubles thinking and could easily change up his hair, make-up, expressions, voice, fingernails, walking gait, or whatever even every 15 minutes if need be, to just get everyone going and all confused.
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and then just some of MJ through early to mid 2009
(http://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+Hotel+7kxaLI5_tSOl.jpg)
(http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Announces+Plans+Summer+Residency+j8YBTgKHoRkl.jpg)
Ok so not his smile,although that is present too.....did someone give him a hair cut on the way and like....chop off the entire back part of his head to give him a bob...cause when he left his hotel...it was shoulder length to the back-you can see it touching his shoulders,and by the time the 02 kicked off...it was gone.
LOL, I never noticed the difference in the hair length. More that should make people go hmmmmm.
The lower layers of his hair are simply under his collar IMO. It happens often with layered, shoulder-length hair.
In this photo it really seems strange, but you can see it more clearly by watching the video.
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Odd question :oops:
Did MJ have his own teeth or he was wearing porcelain crowns?
as I am a person who first looks at teeth nose and eyes in a person, I must say that his teeth look all natural, with probably some implants or little crowns on his back teeth (because on the front teeth I can't notice it) recently, as when you are passing your 40s it's pretty hard to have your teeth as when you were 20. In my opinion, yes, his teeth are all natural, at least his front ones
Guess again ! I am one yr younger than Mj and knock on wood I have all my teeth. If you go regularly dentist you will be fine. I do see his back teeth are not his. But then again pictures are hard to see.
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Omg...his full hair...(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_009.gif)
Btw... I don't like the fists he made... :roll:
@mmz
From where do you want know that was MJ at the O2-announcement? Please explain me. :roll:
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I'm laughing at my own notion here but honestly to me 02 guy looks like either Janet or Latoya with an awful Michael disguise on. Question is where would they hide their obvious female attributes unless it's all illusion. I've entertained Criss Angel being 02 guy also because the walk is so similar to the way Criss walks. But Criss has a big nose that could only be hidden by illusion.
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Odd question :oops:
Did MJ have his own teeth or he was wearing porcelain crowns?
as I am a person who first looks at teeth nose and eyes in a person, I must say that his teeth look all natural, with probably some implants or little crowns on his back teeth (because on the front teeth I can't notice it) recently, as when you are passing your 40s it's pretty hard to have your teeth as when you were 20. In my opinion, yes, his teeth are all natural, at least his front ones
Guess again ! I am one yr younger than Mj and knock on wood I have all my teeth. If you go regularly dentist you will be fine. I do see his back teeth are not his. But then again pictures are hard to see.
Of course. This is excatly what i also said. I, with my eagle eye of someone who always looks almost always first at someone's teeth, I say his teeth are all natural as much as I can see on his front teeth, as molars are hard to be seen unelss he wide opens his mouth. This is what i said. That he might have implants on his back teeth (maybe, because I can't see them to tell my opinion) but his front one look natural for me so far. How can you see his back teeth? If you can see them blurry and from far away you can't say if they are natural or false. Close ups are needed for this. can you show a photo to see it too? I don't have any recent where I can see all his teeth
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@ Gema
According to the autopsy he had natural teeth but IMO the look changed dramatically (see thread "How can teeth change ...". The teeth are now very pointy and no regular ... if you compare them to Mike's teeth in the 70s and 80s. Besides, at that time they appeared to be whiter, "thicker" and less transparent.
Yes, my thoughts two - they were a lot straighter in the 80s
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Even if Mike himself would come out and say he was O2 dude, he should have to prove it because I would call BS. I agree with Sin, there is nothing about this guy that even makes me think it's him. Everything screams prostetic make-up to me and MJ behind the curtain directing this circus.The mannerisms and voice could have been intentionally weird if it was MJ himself, but the mouth does not match and to me that's a dead giveaway. I don't look at teeth because they are probably false and scars can be made with prostetic make-up.
i AGREE.....
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@ Gema
According to the autopsy he had natural teeth but IMO the look changed dramatically (see thread "How can teeth change ...". The teeth are now very pointy and no regular ... if you compare them to Mike's teeth in the 70s and 80s. Besides, at that time they appeared to be whiter, "thicker" and less transparent.
Yes, my thoughts two - they were a lot straighter in the 80s
Porcelain sheets?
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/answers/162000/162626_1283439938938_251_270.jpg)
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That was MJ at the O2 arena. I do not know why you people say it wasnt.
I can see the younger generation between 1- 25 saying it is not becasue they really did follow MJ
The older Generatin like my self who has followed him since 9 or 10 our selves know the real thing.
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That was MJ at the O2 arena. I do not know why you people say it wasnt.
I can see the younger generation between 1- 25 saying it is not becasue they really didn't follow MJ.The older Generatin like my self who has followed him since 9 or 10 our selves know the real thing.
It has nothing to do with age,that is an absurd assumption to make.
It has to do with extensive research,facts,and information I have recieved through my job and people I know/what I have read and looked into and I am entitled to my opinion based on those things.
It has nothing to do with my age.
You can't speak for the entire population of MJ fans over 25...or below it.
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That was MJ at the O2 arena. I do not know why you people say it wasnt.
I can see the younger generation between 1- 25 saying it is not becasue they really did follow MJ
The older Generatin like my self who has followed him since 9 or 10 our selves know the real thing.
No disrespect intended here dominque - but hasn't there ever been a time throughout your life where you saw Michael either in a picture, on the news, or recently in TII or 02 and you thought "is that really him...he looks different?" I'm just wondering because even though I wasn't a "fanatic" I did pay attention whenever I saw Michael and there were times I was really confused by what I saw. The 02 pictures are among them. I appreciate your view on this.
Blessings :)
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If you look at the video of the O2 conference and that picture where it looks shorter in the back, it is obvious the picture was 'shopped. The video you can clearly see the hair is near shoulder length and the hair looks it be stuck in between the collar (as a man with long hair i can say that it happens frquently).
Just my view on it.
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(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/149/l_2643c53e28bf4bfaaacb4db754185d79.jpg) Released:March 09
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/138/l_c2ecd7dd9d124312a2fa6efd53408c8c.jpg) Released December 09
Like I said before...If they were going to photoshop the pictures to REMOVE the tan he quite obviously had,slim his nose down,change his chin,chop his hair,why make him look different in the first place?
Why not save these 6 guys below a job of 'shopping every picture to make them look MORE like Michael?
PHOTOSHOP R US
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/post-8295777-12621809005B15D.jpg)
and this is without the lack of vocab,weird behaviour/walk/bounce/accent..etc.
No one is going to change my mind.
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On the This is It dvd, it shows MJ arriving/leaving to the press conference on a buggy.
Whereas all the videos of the 02 announcement, show him not going on the buggy, but instead choosing to walk instead.......
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4Cm ... 4&index=10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q&playnext=1&list=PL53757CA97B9D8894&index=10)
[youtube:2682u3sl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q&playnext=1&list=PL53757CA97B9D8894&index=10[/youtube:2682u3sl]
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There are pictures of the 02 stage which indicate two very different set ups also.
I'll get on to searching them out now.
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(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/149/l_2643c53e28bf4bfaaacb4db754185d79.jpg) Released:March 09
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/138/l_c2ecd7dd9d124312a2fa6efd53408c8c.jpg) Released December 09
Like I said before...If they were going to photoshop the pictures to REMOVE the tan he quite obviously had,slim his nose down,change his chin,chop his hair,why make him look different in the first place?
Why not save these 6 guys below a job of 'shopping every picture to make them look MORE like Michael?
PHOTOSHOP R US
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/post-8295777-12621809005B15D.jpg)
and this is without the lack of vocab,weird behaviour/walk/bounce/accent..etc.
No one is going to change my mind.
Those two photos were taken from different places, so different angles, different lights, different cameras. His nose looks more slim in the paler photo, but I think it's just because of the light.
It is possible though that someone photosopped some of the O2 pictures.
But these two don't prove it to me, as they are basically different. On the second photo you can see a necklace under his left collar. And the mike covers his suit differently, you can see it if you focus on the embroidery.
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(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/149/l_2643c53e28bf4bfaaacb4db754185d79.jpg) Released:March 09
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/138/l_c2ecd7dd9d124312a2fa6efd53408c8c.jpg) Released December 09
Like I said before...If they were going to photoshop the pictures to REMOVE the tan he quite obviously had,slim his nose down,change his chin,chop his hair,why make him look different in the first place?
Why not save these 6 guys below a job of 'shopping every picture to make them look MORE like Michael?
PHOTOSHOP R US
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/post-8295777-12621809005B15D.jpg)
and this is without the lack of vocab,weird behaviour/walk/bounce/accent..etc.
No one is going to change my mind.
Those two photos were taken from different places, so different angles, different lights, different cameras. His nose looks more slim in the paler photo, but I think it's just because of the light.
It is possible though that someone photosopped some of the O2 pictures.
But these two don't prove it to me, as they are basically different. On the second photo you can see a necklace under his left collar. And the mike covers his suit differently, you can see it if you focus on the embroidery.
You must be kidding me?
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On the This is It dvd, it shows MJ arriving/leaving to the press conference on a buggy.
Whereas all the videos of the 02 announcement, show him not going on the buggy, but instead choosing to walk instead.......
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4Cm ... 4&index=10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q&playnext=1&list=PL53757CA97B9D8894&index=10)
[youtube:9uxngs44]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q&playnext=1&list=PL53757CA97B9D8894&index=10[/youtube:9uxngs44]
Your comment made me remember something odd...
[attachment=0:9uxngs44]O2 Press Bus.png[/attachment:9uxngs44]
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/TrailerTIIBus.png)
The arrival on the bus appears in the trailer for the movie "This Is it" and the dancers say "there's Michael", "There's the man", "Woo", "The man is here" and then we see Michael enter a door, the screen goes Black and we see him inside Culver Studios, wearing the same jacket as the O2 Press conference. The stuff from Culver Studios is the "Green Screening" of the 11 dancers into 1100 for "They Don't Care About Us" Arch shot.
Starts at about 0:29 in the video
[youtube:9uxngs44]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEHGU6hd04[/youtube:9uxngs44]
[attachment=4:9uxngs44]Trailer TII 1.png[/attachment:9uxngs44]
[attachment=3:9uxngs44]Trailer TII 2.png[/attachment:9uxngs44]
In the movie itself we don't see that arrival by bus and the dialogue starts after Michael has already entered Culver studios.
[attachment=2:9uxngs44]TII DVD 1.png[/attachment:9uxngs44]
[attachment=1:9uxngs44]TII DVD 2.png[/attachment:9uxngs44]
So are we see Michael enter the O2 for the press conference or his entering Culver Studios?
If it is from the Press conference why do they make it look like it's Culver Studios in the trailer for "This Is It"?
If it is Culver Studios, then why is it included in the video for the O2 Press Conference and how would that be possible if the Culver studio footage was filmed AFTER the O2 Press Conference?
Why would Michael be wearing the same Jacket at Culver that he wore at the O2 Press Conference and then they combine this footage when he makes his entrance at Culver Studios?
Because it's all a movie and a big huge hoax! ;) :lol:
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On the This is It dvd, it shows MJ arriving/leaving to the press conference on a buggy.
Whereas all the videos of the 02 announcement, show him not going on the buggy, but instead choosing to walk instead.......
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4Cm ... 4&index=10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q&playnext=1&list=PL53757CA97B9D8894&index=10)
[youtube:2lo3oq2y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q&playnext=1&list=PL53757CA97B9D8894&index=10[/youtube:2lo3oq2y]
Your comment made me remember something odd...
The arrival on the bus appears in the trailer for the movie "This Is it" and the dancers say "there's Michael", "There's the man", "Woo", "The man is here" and then we see Michael enter a door, the screen goes Black and we see him inside Culver Studios, wearing the same jacket as the O2 Press conference. The stuff from Culver Studios is the "Green Screening" of the 11 dancers into 1100 for "They Don't Care About Us" Arch shot.
Starts at about 0:29 in the video
[youtube:2lo3oq2y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEHGU6hd04[/youtube:2lo3oq2y]
[attachment=3:2lo3oq2y]Trailer TII 1.png[/attachment:2lo3oq2y]
[attachment=2:2lo3oq2y]Trailer TII 2.png[/attachment:2lo3oq2y]
In the movie itself we don't see that arrival by bus and the dialogue starts after Michael has already entered Culver studios.
[attachment=1:2lo3oq2y]TII DVD 1.png[/attachment:2lo3oq2y]
[attachment=0:2lo3oq2y]TII DVD 2.png[/attachment:2lo3oq2y]
So are we see Michael enter the O2 for the press conference or his entering Culver Studios?
If it is from the Press conference why do they make it look like it's Culver Studios in the trailer for "This Is It"?
If it is Culver Studios, then why is it included in the video for the O2 Press Conference and how would that be possible if the Culver studio footage was filmed AFTER the O2 Press Conference?
Why would Michael be wearing the same Jacket at Culver that he wore at the O2 Press Conference and then they combine this footage when he makes his entrance at Culver Studios?
You just blew my mind Serenity! :shock: :lol:
I always thought the whole press conference looked really staged, and it didn't seem to me that the audience there was even in the same room, or filmed the same day. It looked fake and weird and off. So if it was all just filmed in a studio that would make a lot of sense.
If that was Michael, then maybe he was wearing a prosthetic mask of "himself" - for the purpose of speculation. He would act out of character (he was very Tom Cruise-ish to me at that press conference), and talk differently then have a strange confrontational manner at the very end with someone we can't see.
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SD, I was just thinking the same thing........it is the same outfit, and the way he walks is sooooo 02 MJ. He looks angry and is walking with that same strud...stomping type of walk....the only person missing is Dr Thome Thome. Do you think what I'm thinking ;) ;)
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Even if Mike himself would come out and say he was O2 dude, he should have to prove it because I would call BS. I agree with Sin, there is nothing about this guy that even makes me think it's him. Everything screams prostetic make-up to me and MJ behind the curtain directing this circus.The mannerisms and voice could have been intentionally weird if it was MJ himself, but the mouth does not match and to me that's a dead giveaway. I don't look at teeth because they are probably false and scars can be made with prostetic make-up.
I second that.
Also, I remember when I first saw that on Tv, back then in March last year, I was like... "Is that MJ?"... Of course I believed it was by then, but he had something about it that made me go hmmm.
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On the This is It dvd, it shows MJ arriving/leaving to the press conference on a buggy.
Whereas all the videos of the 02 announcement, show him not going on the buggy, but instead choosing to walk instead.......
[youtube:3uniisu0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q[/youtube:3uniisu0]
Your comment made me remember something odd...
The arrival on the bus appears in the trailer for the movie "This Is it" and the dancers say "there's Michael", "There's the man", "Woo", "The man is here" and then we see Michael enter a door, the screen goes Black and we see him inside Culver Studios, wearing the same jacket as the O2 Press conference. The stuff from Culver Studios is the "Green Screening" of the 11 dancers into 1100 for "They Don't Care About Us" Arch shot.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10900)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/TrailerTIIBus.png)
Starts at about 0:29 in the video
[youtube:3uniisu0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEHGU6hd04[/youtube:3uniisu0]
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10894)
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10895)
In the movie itself we don't see that arrival by bus and the dialogue starts after Michael has already entered Culver studios.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10896)
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10898)
So are we see Michael enter the O2 for the press conference or his entering Culver Studios?
If it is from the Press conference why do they make it look like it's Culver Studios in the trailer for "This Is It"?
If it is Culver Studios, then why is it included in the video for the O2 Press Conference and how would that be possible if the Culver studio footage was filmed AFTER the O2 Press Conference?
Why would Michael be wearing the same Jacket at Culver that he wore at the O2 Press Conference and then they combine this footage when he makes his entrance at Culver Studios?
You just blew my mind Serenity! :shock: :lol:
I always thought the whole press conference looked really staged, and it didn't seem to me that the audience there was even in the same room, or filmed the same day. It looked fake and weird and off. So if it was all just filmed in a studio that would make a lot of sense.
If that was Michael, then maybe he was wearing a prosthetic mask of "himself" - for the purpose of speculation. He would act out of character (he was very Tom Cruise-ish to me at that press conference), and talk differently then have a strange confrontational manner at the very end with someone we can't see.
How about this. It is an audio clip from a video recorded by a fan at the O2 conference. The video has been removed from youtube but I saved it and extracted this audio. I have slowed it down a bit. A guy in the crowd at the O2 Press Conference says "We're going to a Funeral"
http://www.zshare.net/audio/826913472506cb19/
http://www.zshare.net/audio/826914388ee51e28/
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Interesting observation Serenitys_Dream! Makes me wonder how many other purposeful oddities we have still not found. It's like we're taken in and out of illusion and reality, spinning our heads.
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On the This is It dvd, it shows MJ arriving/leaving to the press conference on a buggy.
Whereas all the videos of the 02 announcement, show him not going on the buggy, but instead choosing to walk instead.......
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4Cm ... 4&index=10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q&playnext=1&list=PL53757CA97B9D8894&index=10)
[youtube:1c2xj4h1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q&playnext=1&list=PL53757CA97B9D8894&index=10[/youtube:1c2xj4h1]
Your comment made me remember something odd...
[attachment=0:1c2xj4h1]O2 Press Bus.png[/attachment:1c2xj4h1]
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/TrailerTIIBus.png)
The arrival on the bus appears in the trailer for the movie "This Is it" and the dancers say "there's Michael", "There's the man", "Woo", "The man is here" and then we see Michael enter a door, the screen goes Black and we see him inside Culver Studios, wearing the same jacket as the O2 Press conference. The stuff from Culver Studios is the "Green Screening" of the 11 dancers into 1100 for "They Don't Care About Us" Arch shot.
Starts at about 0:29 in the video
[youtube:1c2xj4h1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEHGU6hd04[/youtube:1c2xj4h1]
[attachment=4:1c2xj4h1]Trailer TII 1.png[/attachment:1c2xj4h1]
[attachment=3:1c2xj4h1]Trailer TII 2.png[/attachment:1c2xj4h1]
In the movie itself we don't see that arrival by bus and the dialogue starts after Michael has already entered Culver studios.
[attachment=2:1c2xj4h1]TII DVD 1.png[/attachment:1c2xj4h1]
[attachment=1:1c2xj4h1]TII DVD 2.png[/attachment:1c2xj4h1]
So are we see Michael enter the O2 for the press conference or his entering Culver Studios?
If it is from the Press conference why do they make it look like it's Culver Studios in the trailer for "This Is It"?
If it is Culver Studios, then why is it included in the video for the O2 Press Conference and how would that be possible if the Culver studio footage was filmed AFTER the O2 Press Conference?
Why would Michael be wearing the same Jacket at Culver that he wore at the O2 Press Conference and then they combine this footage when he makes his entrance at Culver Studios?
Because it's all a movie and a big huge hoax! ;) :lol:
THE PICTURE OF HIM ENTERING THE DOOR IS NOT THE SAME OF THE OTWO, HE IS ENTERING THE DOOR TO WHERE THE SCENE WHERE MICHAEL TELLS THE PIANO GUY HOW HE WANTS THE WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL IS PLAYED
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(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/post-8295777-12621809005B15D.jpg)
My bet is on the table full of computer photoshop nerds working away at them..
This is press room equipment that is being provided at important events.
This is giving prepared PR information to the press vultures so they have images & text to copy and paste. Usually you would use an office space somewhere down the corridor "backstage" and not place them inside of the "official press conference room" which in fact was a lobby at O2. (rings "lobbyist" to me...)
The photoshop of the images is of miserable amateur quality and was either done in a rush or on purpose. As the O2 conference was the kick-off of everything following, I personally tend to not consider "done in a rush". The hiatus of the publication platform of those over 400 photoshop examples of "how to not do it" fits into the picture.
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This is press room equipment that is being provided at important events.
This is giving prepared PR information to the press vultures so they have images & text to copy and paste. Usually you would use an office space somewhere down the corridor "backstage" and not place them inside of the "official press conference room" which in fact was a lobby at O2. (rings "lobbyist" to me...)
The photoshop of the images is of miserable amateur quality and was either done in a rush or on purpose. As the O2 conference was the kick-off of everything following, I personally tend to not consider "done in a rush". The hiatus of the publication platform of those over 400 photoshop examples of "how to not do it" fits into the picture.
I know what a press room is I have sat in one many times,it doesn't look like any press or production room I have ever been in.Doesn't answer my question of why this picture still taken from TII was shown or why they had to alter them that much to make it look more like MJ..if it was MJ standing at the conference.
Whenever it was done, the pictures looking more MJ like-whiter/different nose etc were not released until December 09 the only ones on the net between March and Dec were the original ones that look nothing like him...9months isn't a rush.
On the This is It dvd, it shows MJ arriving/leaving to the press conference on a buggy.
Whereas all the videos of the 02 announcement, show him not going on the buggy, but instead choosing to walk instead.......
[youtube:xlv5d9te]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q[/youtube:xlv5d9te]
Your comment made me remember something odd...
The arrival on the bus appears in the trailer for the movie "This Is it" and the dancers say "there's Michael", "There's the man", "Woo", "The man is here" and then we see Michael enter a door, the screen goes Black and we see him inside Culver Studios, wearing the same jacket as the O2 Press conference. The stuff from Culver Studios is the "Green Screening" of the 11 dancers into 1100 for "They Don't Care About Us" Arch shot.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10900)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/TrailerTIIBus.png)
Starts at about 0:29 in the video
[youtube:xlv5d9te]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEHGU6hd04[/youtube:xlv5d9te]
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10894)
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10895)
In the movie itself we don't see that arrival by bus and the dialogue starts after Michael has already entered Culver studios.
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10896)
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10898)
So are we see Michael enter the O2 for the press conference or his entering Culver Studios?
If it is from the Press conference why do they make it look like it's Culver Studios in the trailer for "This Is It"?
If it is Culver Studios, then why is it included in the video for the O2 Press Conference and how would that be possible if the Culver studio footage was filmed AFTER the O2 Press Conference?
Why would Michael be wearing the same Jacket at Culver that he wore at the O2 Press Conference and then they combine this footage when he makes his entrance at Culver Studios?
You just blew my mind Serenity! :shock: :lol:
I always thought the whole press conference looked really staged, and it didn't seem to me that the audience there was even in the same room, or filmed the same day. It looked fake and weird and off. So if it was all just filmed in a studio that would make a lot of sense.
How about this. It is an audio clip from a video recorded by a fan at the O2 conference. The video has been removed from youtube but I saved it and extracted this audio. I have slowed it down a bit. A guy in the crowd at the O2 Press Conference says "We're going to a Funeral"
http://www.zshare.net/audio/826913472506cb19/
http://www.zshare.net/audio/826914388ee51e28/
Thank you for aiding this side of the argument Serenity
People forget sometimes to connect the 02 conference with TII.
We were shown the guys sitting round on photoshop with 02 press pictures for a reason.
The 02 was not real,and it was not Michael..you see the same walk/bounce in TII which we know used doubles...so why would anyone not allow themselves to believe a double was used for the 02 conference when TII is FULL of them??
The double's were used throughout Michael's life for all kinds of things he either couldn't attend or to distract crowds etc...why is it so unbelieveable to assume one was used for the 02 part of the 'production'?
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8256/fullscreencapture392010.jpg)
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8256/fullscreencapture392010.jpg)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8256/fullscreencapture392010.jpg)
Some guy in a blue suit standing on the stage?where did he come from?
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8198/fullscreencapture392010s.jpg)
They are all supposed to be from the same conference.
The stage looks different ,there is some guy who has a blue suit on standing infront of the podium where MJ is meant to be talking,the stage looks cluttered and busy in one shot but totally clear in another-this was meant to be live,there were no breaks or commercials were it was tidied up before the next installment.It only lasted about 6mins if that.
Also on the sky news picture the red curtain rail-to me-looks like it is running in a circular shape and on the MJJpics it looks more angular and square
Those two photos were taken from different places, so different angles, different lights, different cameras. His nose looks more slim in the paler photo, but I think it's just because of the light.
Sorry to sound rude but-Are you being serious?
It is possible though that someone photosopped some of the O2 pictures.
But these two don't prove it to me, as they are basically different. On the second photo you can see a necklace under his left collar. And the mike covers his suit differently, you can see it if you focus on the embroidery.
It's possible?I have put a picture up from TII that SHOWS you 6guys photoshopping them :/
They are the same picture,with two very different looking Michael's.
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Almost all pictures were photoshopped and published in that terrible quality in spring.
Those pictures popping up afterwards were trying to give the impression that it was indeed Michael at the conference as they were mainly "giving more light" to the face.
There are at least 2 fan videos out there. It's from those videos that we know they had to wait for hours for the announcement and that Michael arrived late.
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My friend was there so I know nothing was staged - it was a real press conference.
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check this video on youtube it will explain. I had posted it on another thread.
This will explain alot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_WDxhxPBjI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_WDxhxPBjI)
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(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/149/l_2643c53e28bf4bfaaacb4db754185d79.jpg) Released:March 09
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/138/l_c2ecd7dd9d124312a2fa6efd53408c8c.jpg) Released December 09
Like I said before...If they were going to photoshop the pictures to REMOVE the tan he quite obviously had,slim his nose down,change his chin,chop his hair,why make him look different in the first place?
Why not save these 6 guys below a job of 'shopping every picture to make them look MORE like Michael?
PHOTOSHOP R US
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/post-8295777-12621809005B15D.jpg)
and this is without the lack of vocab,weird behaviour/walk/bounce/accent..etc.
No one is going to change my mind.
Those two photos were taken from different places, so different angles, different lights, different cameras. His nose looks more slim in the paler photo, but I think it's just because of the light.
It is possible though that someone photosopped some of the O2 pictures.
But these two don't prove it to me, as they are basically different. On the second photo you can see a necklace under his left collar. And the mike covers his suit differently, you can see it if you focus on the embroidery.
You must be kidding me?
To Souza and Sinderella,
My point is that those two photos are not the same. You can prove the photoshop thing better with two photos which are the same - except Michael's face, of course.
I was sleepy when I wrote my post, I didn't think it over very much. I only posted about it because Sinderella said
"Like I say when I have compiled my fact file I will present it.I'm a perfectionist so until I have everything in it...i'm holding on to it."
and I thought I tell my opinion to her that these two photos are probably not the best for proving that the first one was photoshopped. As they are basically not the same.
It can be that two photographers stood next to each other (this is what I ment by different places, not miles away :) ) and the two of them used different settings in connection with the light/brilliance of their own cameras (I don't know too much about photography, but as I know they can even imitate that it's daylight when it's already getting dark).
Of course it could be made by the same photographer, just in different moments, so Michael moved during that time - and that's why his hair covers his necklace in one photo and doesn't on the other, etc. In this case, it's photoshopped, as the same photographer couldn't change the setting of his camera during such a short time.
I'm just writing down my thoughts to help you to think it over, I'm not against you :)
And I don't say I can be a big help, as I'm not someone professional in photography, I just tried :)
With love,
DREAMSandTRUTH
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check this video on youtube it will explain. I had posted it on another thread.
This will explain alot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_WDxhxPBjI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_WDxhxPBjI)
THANK YOU^^^
been trying to find that exact video but I have so much stuff,it's lost in the rest of the info.
It is CLEAR that 02 MJ was not MJ.
All the points made in this thread are in this about the lighting,facial features being different,hair not being the same...
Michael was there,he was pictured arriving,at the hotel before and after and sitting in the mini van,but it 100% was not him on that 02 stage.
Dermott said later in another interview when he hugged him he was like wow..this guy is ripped'...Michael Jackson was not really what I would called 'ripped' having personally dated a Muai Thai Kickboxer.
The 2 pictures I put up from March and then from December clearly show alterations in the nose,chin,skin colour,length of neck-meaning yes now he has a visible necklace on...and different sized hands.
He was the same up and down...the 02 MJ was bigger on the top with thinner legs.
And maybe why he had a double on stand by was because he had been the guy walking into Culver City studios as well,and the footage was going to be in TII-it had to match up.They had to get that footage of him stepping out the mini bus to go inside and then on TII he is walking into the green screen room like he just got off the same mini bus.
It would also explain why he asked Dermott was the teleprompter on...no time to learn Michael's speech.
TBH,as soon as he walked on stage i thought...'ha...who is this...that isn't Michael Jackson's face'his nose and chin gave it away first and then the rest of the odd actions/accent/speech followed.
I never once said it was not real.I believe it was staged in accordance with the hoax/TII that followed and that possibly 2 were done,one live for TV and media purposes-they did have to make out like the TII tour was REAL and was going to happen,and then one not which would explain the different stage set ups,lighting,him in the golf buggy one min and not the next.
-I also don't consider 2 videos from fans out of a possbile 2000 to be nearly enough.
There should have been hundreds of versions of it and there is not...Just like every picture is a released picture,hardly any fan ones exist.Had I of been in the UK at the time and gone, I would of taken hundreds and uploaded them immidiatley which would then of come up in google searches.
There are a few...but I think they just slipped through the net.
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Sinderella, Wow, Maui Thai kickboxer? 8-) Now I imagine that would be the definition of "ripped"! Seriously though I think you've made all the points as clear as can be, if there are those who still aren't seeing it I doubt they will, until this is all over. Just like all the other theories there are going to be those that believe and those that don't. It's felt like we're running around in circles at times and I think if we could get our hands on footage that isn't "official", from someone who was actually there, it would be invaluable. Maybe people were only allowed to film very briefly, there could have been footage confiscated, we really need to hear it from someone who was there. It is very odd that such a "historic" announcement wouldn't be all over the internet in any other form but the official one (with a couple of exceptions maybe). Especially after his "death" people who were there would be posting footage and saying "I was there".
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Well my friend was there but I don't think she took any pics so I can't post anything but I do know it took place for real. My friend did say that MJ looked odd that day and nothing like she expected him to look. My own personal opinion is swaying towards it not being MJ at the 02 because of all the discrepancies in his features and also he seemed taller. The only thing making me unsure is his voice because, although it was deeper than usual, it still had the same old MJ mannerisms and inflections.
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The O2-guy is definitely ripped! He looks like a leightweight bodybuilder.(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_042.gif)
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The O2-guy is definitely ripped! He looks like a leightweight bodybuilder.(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_042.gif)
He looked very thin to me, nothing like a body builder at all (lol) but I have heard people say MJ had a strong handshake.
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I think it's Michael at the O2. I don't believe anyone could look that similar to Michael even with lots of cosmetic surgeries and/or masks or prosthetic makeup.
Compare the second and the third photos which mjjamm posted: you can see that Michael's facial muscles work/move the same way as they worked when he was younger. This cannot be imitated IMO.
Btw. his teeth looks the same to me too.
And last but not least, you look a little different on every photo or even video. It depends on the light, on the angle etc. I know you guys know it, I don't have to explain it, I'm just saying :)
Just watch this Ebony photo, does Michael's smile look as it generally used to look? I think it looks way less a typical Michael-smile than as Michael smiles at the O2.
Iam with you a 1000%
Always have and always will believe Michael was at 02. Thank you
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Sinderella, Wow, Maui Thai kickboxer? 8-) Now I imagine that would be the definition of "ripped"! Seriously though I think you've made all the points as clear as can be, if there are those who still aren't seeing it I doubt they will, until this is all over. Just like all the other theories there are going to be those that believe and those that don't. It's felt like we're running around in circles at times and I think if we could get our hands on footage that isn't "official", from someone who was actually there, it would be invaluable. Maybe people were only allowed to film very briefly, there could have been footage confiscated, we really need to hear it from someone who was there. It is very odd that such a "historic" announcement wouldn't be all over the internet in any other form but the official one (with a couple of exceptions maybe). Especially after his "death" people who were there would be posting footage and saying "I was there".
Yeah,he's pretty huge,he could lift me up and carry me around like I was a feather...ripped is a good word to describe him haha.
Anyway,there is a lot more than the evidence in this thread to suggest/prove it was not Michael at the 02 but as you say anyone who can't see it,probably never will until the end.
I don't know if there was any promo to even suggest he was coming to do that conference prior to it happening?I know some pretty big MJ fans and they would have gone i'm sure.
It's just like everything else...only one official version,any other version is either taken down immidiatley or just doesn't exist.ie,Susan's aftershow video from Jermaine's show...she can't have been the ONLY person there, same with Ken Rolling-still haven't worked out who he is but he seemed to be the only one on the planet to upload any kind of footage from the Vegas show.I know filming was banned but there are always people who ignore this and do it anyway,they can't confiscate people's phone's-camera's yeah..phones...no.She said that her camera was taken for the show,but given back to her before the afterparty,so people did have them.
And exactly after his 'death' it wouldn't matter about it being allowed to be uploaded or not...the tour was not going ahead therefore the 02 conf meant nothing so where is all the footgage that was quite clearly being recorded??I put a picture up of one small group near the front and circled all the phones and camera's.
I'm not saying it never happened,it clearly did..what I am saying is..look at everything that is wrong with it.It is in keeping PERFECTLY with the other events...odd discrepincies with the filming,the people who took part,things being said and caught on tape -ie..funeral 'and then they said he was alive' 'we're going to a funeral',is it MJ is it someone else,him being an hour late,the connections to TII.....
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The O2-guy is definitely ripped! He looks like a leightweight bodybuilder.(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_042.gif)
He looked very thin to me, nothing like a body builder at all (lol) but I have heard people say MJ had a strong handshake.
Maybe because of his clothes...and this why I said "leightweight bodybuilder".(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_329.gif)
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The O2-guy is definitely ripped! He looks like a leightweight bodybuilder.(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_042.gif)
He looked very thin to me, nothing like a body builder at all (lol) but I have heard people say MJ had a strong handshake.
Maybe because of his clothes...and this why I said "leightweight bodybuilder".(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_329.gif)
His shoulders are broader than Michael's,he has a much slimmer frame.
I might have already said it but the guy at the 02 was definitley more top heavy.
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The O2-guy is definitely ripped! He looks like a leightweight bodybuilder.(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_042.gif)
He looked very thin to me, nothing like a body builder at all (lol) but I have heard people say MJ had a strong handshake.
Maybe because of his clothes...and this why I said "leightweight bodybuilder".(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_329.gif)
His shoulders are broader than Michael's,he has a much slimmer frame.
I might have already said it but the guy at the 02 was definitley more top heavy.
His upper body looks maybe like this...omg, if I imagine to fall in his arms...*faints*
(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2938/sexyp.jpg)
(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_039.gif) (http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_009.gif)
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It is MJ
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I think people had a hard time believing Michael got his face nice lookin for this announcement. He look young and smooth faced. face was fuller and he looked great.
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I think people had a hard time believing Michael got his face nice lookin for this announcement. He look young and smooth faced. face was fuller and he looked great.
You serious? I rather see Mike with an older face full of wrinkles with the genuine big smile than this clown. Sorry, but it really doesn't look like him and IF it turns out to have been him, he did something wrong the last time at the plastic surgeon. That is not intended to be disrespectful, it's just not his aura, not his smile, not his nose at all. I believe a lot, but this I don't.