Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Videos => Topic started by: TheRunningGirl on December 27, 2010, 05:40:10 AM
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Those videos from The Micheal Project 20 (TMP - Dmovie 27) have been posted over the last week and are simply EXCELLENT. Many of the Themes/Messages I see emerging through those latest videos fully support my personal Hoax beliefs:
- "The Greatest show on Earth" is a Live Movie Michael is directing - Lies to make Truth - There are lessons to be learnt, Art is Resistance.
- Numerology plays a part in the Hoax
- The Parallels between Michael and Jesus Christ
- The Rainbow Children (Age of Aquarius?) and the ONE consciousness - Sacred Divine Symbolism - It is all for Love.
- LMP plays a key role in the Hoax
- ...and a lot more!
Those videos are for all to enjoy with an open Mind... THANK YOU Dmovie27
TMP: The Bashir Code Phase VI
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f6PNIkZLoA[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZeoh8n7Reo[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCraRIFPreU[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRNUFhPWHJk[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5OSs0lxejs[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpEpQuQgBy0[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
TMP: The Bashir Code Phase VII
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1evcciBIcE[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
With L.O.V.E
PS: And Dmovie27, I hope you do not mind me posting your videos, I do not know whether you still post on here! ;)
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TRG. Thank you for putting this videos here for us to watch I appreciate your efforts. I watched all of them can't wait for more.Thank you again and Blessings.
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Reminder to watch later.
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Thanks for posting these videos The Running Girl, if you have things in them in which I agree, some really puzzle me
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Thanks for posting these. I love dmovie's videos.
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Thanks for posting these. I remember seeing the earlier ones as well. All of them have intrigued
me thoroughly. It was around late August last year I think, as I had immersed and saturated myself
in everything Michael since his "death", when a realization came over me strongly, a bursting, a joy,
the last breadcrumb in my 12 year big-picture journey. I had said to so many people over those years
that I felt like God was leading me from this topic to the next and the next, and then suddenly it
stopped. I wondered why, and I just started reading regular news and researching about whatever
was a big story for close to a year. I remember telling friends that I thought the trail seemed to have
stopped. So Michael Jackson was a big story, so I researched about him. :o :shock: :o :shock: :o
And I've not quit yet. I came in from a walk, saying to my husband, I yield to
this what my heart and spirit are telling me and won't fight it anymore. Not many weeks after that
realization came the nagging feeling that just wouldn't go away, that it was ALL pre-planned. That
this is all much bigger than anyone can imagine. That he planned it longer than just 2 decades ago,
but his whole life. Many times I have questioned and doubted, but I always come back to the initial
conviction so powerful in my heart.
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Thanks for posting these. I remember seeing the earlier ones as well. All of them have intrigued
me thoroughly. It was around late August last year I think, as I had immersed and saturated myself
in everything Michael since his "death", when a realization came over me strongly, a bursting, a joy,
the last breadcrumb in my 12 year big-picture journey. I had said to so many people over those years
that I felt like God was leading me from this topic to the next and the next, and then suddenly it
stopped. I wondered why, and I just started reading regular news and researching about whatever
was a big story for close to a year. I remember telling friends that I thought the trail seemed to have
stopped. So Michael Jackson was a big story, so I researched about him. :o :shock: :o :shock: :o
And I've not quit yet. I came in from a walk, saying to my husband, I yield to
this what my heart and spirit are telling me and won't fight it anymore. Not many weeks after that
realization came the nagging feeling that just wouldn't go away, that it was ALL pre-planned. That
this is all much bigger than anyone can imagine. That he planned it longer than just 2 decades ago,
but his whole life. Many times I have questioned and doubted, but I always come back to the initial
conviction so powerful in my heart.
Yes! It is interesting how the answers can suddenly appear when you expect it less, as if there was some magic force that decided for us what we should see and when!
I think when Michael wrote the few lines message below on his official website around the time of his O2 announcement, He knew exactly what he meant but nobody quite understood it!
"THE TIME HAS COME
THE TIME HAS COME
THE TIME HAS COME
IT IS NOW I SEE AND FEEL THAT CALLING ONCE AGAIN, TO BE PART OF A MUSIC THAT WILL NOT JUST CONNECT BUT,
MAKE ALL FEEL ONE, ONE IN JOY, ONE IN PAIN, ONE IN LOVE, ONE IN SERVICE AND IN CONSCIOUSNESS
~MICHAEL JACKSON"
I Love the TMP videos because you can really feel a Michael-like spirituality right through and they take you on a journey bringing together more and more pieces of the puzzle together as the journey continues.
The Jesus Christ parallels are much stronger now than they were in the first few phases of the "project" or maybe my awareness is greater! The theme of the Rainbow children is emerging in the latest video (Phase VII) and this in itself reminded me of the above quote from Michael as well as our forum discussions on the age of Aquarius (See thread in Odd Things)... It all so nicely fits together! And let's not forget the discussions on the end of Time(s) in the TS thread! It is just so amazing, it defies my logic (And this never happened before!) ... so I have to let my heart speaks instead!
Extract from http://www.starchildren.info/rainbow.html
Rainbow Children
Think of yourself as an incandescent power, illuminated and perhaps forever talked to by God and his messangers…Brenda Ueland
The rainbow children are the third generation of special children that have come to help humanity evolve. Different from the Indigo and Crystal children, Rainbow children have a few more interesting characteristics. The Rainbow children are generally born in the year 2000 and above. In some cases, there might also be a few scouts that came to earth before 2000. The few Rainbow children that are here today are born from early Crystal scouts that were born in the 1980’s.
As the name implies, the Rainbow children come to earth with a few more other spectrum of ray color. They are born on the ninth dimension of consciousness, the dimension of collective consciousness.
As many people might have experienced it, the Rainbow children bring joy and harmony to their families. Unlike the Indigo and Crystal children, the Rainbow child is born to smile, which is accompanied by their huge hearts that are full of forgiveness.
Doreen Virtue describes characteristics of Rainbow children:
· Very few currently incarnated.
· Parents are crystal adults.
· Never incarnated before.
· No karma.
· Do not choose dysfunctional families.
· They are all about service.
· May have big eyes like the crystal children, but they are totally trusting.
· Entirely fearless of everybody.
· Bringing in the healing rainbow energy previously brought through Reiki, QiGong, and Pranic healing and other hands on healing.
Crystal children can also be very high energy, have strong personalities, be creative, and can instantly manifest anything they want or need.
The purpose of the Rainbow children is to complete the final stages of the foundation that the Indigo and Crystal children have made. The three children, Indigo, Crystal, and Rainbow each have a specific task. The Indigo children are to break down the paradigm of the traditional thinking. Then the Crystal children will build their foundation on the broken paradigm. Finally, the Rainbow children are here to build on to what the Indigo and Crystal children began.
Doreen Virtue says, “the Rainbow children are perfectly balanced in their male and female energies. They are confident without aggressiveness; they are intuitive and psychic without effort; they are magical and can bend time, become invisible, and go without sleep and food. The Crystal children’s sensitivities make them vulnerable to allergies and rashes. The angels say that the Rainbow children will have overcome this aspect… Rainbow children have no karma, so they have no need to choose chaotic childhoods for spiritual growth...The Rainbow children operate purely out of joy, and not out of need or impulse. The babies will be recognized, because their energy is one of giving to parents, and not of neediness. Parents will realize that they cannot out-give their Rainbow children, for these children are a mirror of all actions and energy of love. Whatever loving thoughts, feelings, and actions that you send to them are magnified and returned a hundred-fold.”
Rainbow children are already attuned to the world we are moving towards when things will instantly manifest. Humanity as a whole is not there yet, so the mass consciousness grid holds back instant manifestation from being commonplace. A toddler has a hard time understanding that. They feel if they “think” juice, well then juice ought to naturally appear instantly. In higher dimensions this may be true and it will be true here on Earth as well, thanks to the Rainbow kids making it so.
Rainbow Children tend to:
· Have very strong wills and personalities.
· Be very high energy.
· Be very attuned to color and color vibrations around them.
· Have passionate creativity.
· Love bright clothing and colorful environments.
· Bubble over with enthusiasm for everything in life.
· Expect instant manifestation of whatever they think/need.
· Have healing abilities.
· Have telepathy.
The Rainbow children seem to be here to implement the Divine Will and they will use their strong will and energy to build the New World on the foundation of peace and harmony the Crystal children are laying down. The Crystal children are only able to lay down that foundation because the Indigo children have already forged the path and broken down all of the old barriers. They are all-important and have to come in this sequence to accomplish their goals.
Rainbows are highly sensitive, loving, forgiving, and magical like the Crystal children. The difference is that the Rainbows have never before been on earth, so they have no karma to balance. The Rainbows, therefore, choose entirely peaceful and functional households. They don’t need chaos or challenges to balance karma or grow.
As the other Crystal children grow older, they will be the peace-loving parents who birth the new Rainbow children. The Rainbows being born right now are the scouts, and the large influx of Rainbows will occur during the years 2010 through 2030.
Rainbow children are absolutely open hearted, love unconditionally, and have no fear towards any stranger. Unlike the Crystal children who only display affection to people warranting their trust, the Rainbows are universally affectionate. They heal us with their huge heart chakras, and envelop us in a blanket of rainbow-colored energy that we so sorely need. They are our earth angels.
It is interesting to note that The Rainbow Children is also an album by Prince, released in 2001. It was also released through Prince's website earlier in the year. It is the first album released outside of the NPG Music Club to be released under the name of Prince again, as he had reverted back to his previous stage name from his symbolic moniker a year earlier.
This concept album illustrates common Prince themes of spirituality and human sexuality, as well as love and racism, through the fictitious story of a social movement toward a Martin Luther King, Jr.-inspired utopian society. The album seems to allude to his recent conversion to the Jehovah's Witnesses religion, but Egyptian monotheism and New Age concepts such as the Akashic records are used as metaphors as well. Jazzier than any of his previous efforts, fan reaction was divided when this album was released. Some fans saw the album as a musical and spiritual evolution for Prince.
See full article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rainbow_Children
With L.O.V.E
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Thanks so much for posting these RunningGirl, very interesting stuff.
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[youtube:1osh92mq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1evcciBIcE&feature=related[/youtube:1osh92mq]
Warning the following info may make you open your eyes. :shock:
I saw this video today and I posted the following comment:
This comment may get removed but, it is my wish you will leave it alone.
Be VERY careful when speaking on the subject of prostitution especially when you yourself have never lived that life. Tread lightly... there are many of US out there and we bleed just like you do.
We are HUMAN and are not the monsters.
We are NOT "whores" We are women who have feelings, families, and children just like you hypocrites who cast stones.
Peace
I went back to see if he would leave it alone, lol
Nope it is removed and so I tried to comment again and I am blocked, lol
Why? Because he is a FRAUD!
Your such a FRAUD! You used my theory of Michael telling stories that I wrote in the TIAI 11/30 thread. You also used the rainbow children theory and video I sent you.
I gave you 1 opportunity to wave the flag of truce and peace. You removed my comment and made it clear you want war! It's on! FOOL! You will rot in hell Judas.
You have been blocked by the owner of this video.
I gave him 5 months of my silence and he took that for granted as weakness on my part. I extended the hand of peace today and he declared war. For every action there is a reaction. You all are being warned, for fasle prophets come (in this case) his (Michael's) name. Never let your guard down because the author seems friendly and on your side. Every spirit needs to be weighed whether it is from God or Satan.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204:1-6&version=NIV)
1 John 4:1-6
1 John 4
On Denying the Incarnation
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+14:14&version=NIV)
Jeremiah 14:14
14 Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+23:16&version=NIV)
Jeremiah 23:16
16 This is what the LORD Almighty says:
“Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds,
not from the mouth of the LORD.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7:15&version=NIV)
Matthew 7:15
True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
[youtube:1osh92mq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmjxRzx88nU[/youtube:1osh92mq]
Reminder of who I am. 8-)
Evidence below of what I spoke on before he "supposedly" revealed it in his video. You think he doesn't read this forum? Snakes slither in the grass quietly but, you always know when they are around.
This first thread is locked so if your reading this all the way through you will see my comment regarding the rainbow children, and the exact same video he used in his video. I posted that way before his video and I also sent it to him when we were speaking.
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=9246&start=900#p205053 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=9246&start=900#p205053)
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16112&p=274036#p274036 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16112&p=274036#p274036)
Re: TIAI 11/30
by Im_convincedmjalive » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:07 am
MICHAEL JACKSON
MOONWALK
Chapter One
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I've always wanted to be able to tell stories, you know, stories that came from my soul. I'd like to sit by a fire and tell people stories - make them see pictures, make them cry and laugh, take them anywhere emotionally with something as deceptively simple as words. I'd like to tell tales to move their souls and transform them. I've always wanted to be able to do that. Imagine how the great writers must feel, knowing they have that power. I sometimes feel I could do it. It's something I'd like to develop. In a way, songwriting uses the same skills, creates the emotional highs and lows, but the story is a sketch. It's quicksilver. There are very few books written on the art of storytelling, how to grip listeners, how to get a group of people together and amuse them. No costumes, no makeup, no nothing, just you and your voice, and your powerful ability to take them anywhere, to transform their lives, if only for minutes.
That is all. :|
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@Im_convincedmjalive
Sorry to read that your differences with Dmovie27 are on-going... and Peace to you.
The "Sinful", "Dangerous" woman has been a constant theme in Michael's song for the last 20+ years and this simply cannot be ignored... without Sins there is no REDEMPTION needed!
There is NO denying the parallels between Michael and Jesus. Whether REAL or created for the purpose of the "Greatest Show on Earth", the parallels are in there for all to SEE.
The Bible addresses the DIFFICULT subject of "Prostitution" and REDEMPTION very CLEARLY.
So what does the Bible say about prostitution and redemption?
The Bible tells us that prostitution is immoral:
Proverbs 23:27-28 says, "For a prostitute is a deep pit and a wayward wife is a narrow well. Like a bandit she lies in wait, and multiplies the unfaithful among men."
"For the lips of an immoral woman drip honey, And her mouth is smoother than oil; But in the end she is bitter as wormwood, Sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet go down to death, Her steps lay hold of hell" (Proverbs 5:3-5 NKJV).
Corinthians 6:13 says, "The body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body."
Although prostitution is sinful, prostitutes are not beyond God's scope of forgiveness:
The Bible records His use of a prostitute named Rahab to further the fulfillment of His plan. As a result of her obedience, she and her family were rewarded and blessed (Joshua 2:1; 6:17-25). In the New Testament, a woman who had been known for being a sexual sinner—before Jesus forgave and cleansed her from sin—found an opportunity to serve Jesus while He was visiting in the home of a Pharisee. The woman, recognizing Christ for who He is, brought a bottle of expensive perfume to Him. In regret and repentance, the woman wept and poured perfume on His feet, wiping it with her hair. When the Pharisees criticized Jesus for accepting this act of love from the "immoral" woman, He admonished them and accepted the woman's worship. Because of her faith, Christ had forgiven all her sins, and she was received into His kingdom (Luke 7:36-50).
When speaking to those who refused to believe the truth about Himself, Jesus Christ said, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him" (Matthew 21:31-32).
Just like anyone else, prostitutes have the opportunity to receive salvation and eternal life from God, to be cleansed of all their unrighteousness and be given a brand new life! All they must do is turn away from their sinful lifestyle and turn to the living God, whose grace and mercy are boundless. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!" (2 Corinthians 5:17).
The Jack the Ripper scenes in TMP Phase VII part 1 video are absolutely accurate, the tour of the Quarter mile is one of London many "attractions" and until watching the TMP video I never realised that this was a possible "HOAX" created by TPTB to bring FEAR. I need to look into this one a bit more!
With L.O.V.E
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I gotta weigh in on this. I watched DMovie27 and how he related to members here way back at the beginning of this year. I came to the conclusion that this man has a problem with females and a tangable anger at times. And now I will also add that I think that this same person has posted here numerous times under other names. One that comes to mind is BlackJack. This is what I really think.
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*reminder to watch*
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It is not the actual subject of sin and prostitution that I am worried about coming to light, it is how it is being addressed in his videos. To say that Jack the Ripper who murdered prostitutes is a hoax is nonsense. It would be like saying The Green River killer was a hoax. I know better, I was out on the streets when he was killing women.
Off the backs and death of women; the greedy turned it into a profitable business.
I have lost many friends at the hands of killers aka a trick who went on a killing spree sometimes in the name of cleaning up the sinfulness because of the "whore"
I have lived that life for over 25 years. Let me tell you if there were NO men as customers there would be no women prostituting. The oldest profession in the world didn't start because of a womans idea, it started because of men and their evil, deviant, sexual habits.
Dmovie puts ALL sin and BLAME on women, mainly "whores" He is NOT qualified to speak on the subject of prostitution, I am. I specifically asked that he tread lightly, meaning show a little respect as we are HUMAN.
I said before I know things that would make anyones blood curdle, I was referring to the life of prostitution I have lived. Many people have no idea of the sick minded men and their requests.
Dmovie puts the blame on prostitutes as if we are the problem for mankinds fall and destruction. I don't need a lecture on sin and redemption and what the scripture says about the sin of prostitution. I think you may have misunderstood why I am upset over his video.
When I say hypocrite I mean exactly this:
No one is free from sin. There are different levels of prostitution; streetwalkers, porn stars, playboy models, escorts, strippers, housewives...yes they give up sex or hold it back depending on what they receive in the form of money, jewelry, car, house, ect.
To specifically point fingers and cast stones at the prostitute is a hypocrite in my eyes.
To whom it may concern if you choose to be lead to slaughter that is your right.
I did my part...I gave a warning.
Peace 8-)
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Just watched all the videos.
I have no idea why the video maker keeps talking about prostitutes. I mean, what does that to do with the hoax?
The rest of the video makes sense, but the prostitutes parts lost me.
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I feel it necessary to speak up on behalf of Dmovie_27, as he was permanently banned from this site a while ago. I am regularly in touch with him by email, and he has given me permission to quote him ("... feel free to repost these words if it will help anyone understand my stance better there. It's just horrible when someone slanders you and you are not even allowed to defend yourself properly.") I will be using a few of his direct quotes in this post so that you may SEE that Dmovie_27 is NOT coming from a place of hate -- quite the opposite. I would rather that you SEE and HEAR his own words, because those words speak volumes.
"Please tell Running Girl and the others who posted nice comments and started the topic a heartfelt thank you for their support and love. I can't defend myself there and it really would not be worth it now anyway."
Re the recent post from @Im_convincedmjalive:
"Any one thats thinking can see I am exalting and honoring women, not tearing them down. I'm only tearing down the things that created negativity inside of them and If anything, it is pointing out that the sheer dispespect of women is the PRIMARY source of most of our problems in this world. But like most severly damaged women, once that damage has been done, there is no coming back to redemption. This is why the story of Mary Magdelene is so profound and important because it was truly a "miracle" that she changed her ways and life once she came upon Jesus. It is a rare feat coming from what she came from."
" This is also why the Gulf Oil Spill is so significant. More than people could ever realize. Because once the water is fouled, it will take a LONG time to get it back right...if EVER it gets back right and woman as I have pointed out out time and again is the representative of water. "
"Whatever 'problem' I may have with women, I chose to address it the way I did because I LOVE them. It really was done out of love. Like the parent who has to discipline the child because they KNOW they are being foul and out of bounds, my motivations were no different."
Step back and look at these videos and HEAR what Dmovie is REALLY saying. It requires stepping out of EGO and personal circumstance. This is about love. It's about putting DEVINE LOVE back into the equation. In TII Michael said, "We've got to put LOVE back into the world." Trust and believe that Michael was coming from a DEEPLY SPIRITUAL place when he said that.
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This is why the story of Mary Magdelene is so profound and important because it was truly a "miracle" that she changed her ways and life once she came upon Jesus. It is a rare feat coming from what she came from."
Is this person talking in a symbolic way or really wants to "save" women working within the sex industry putting Mary Magdelene as an example of change by faith and care?
Why is he using the MJ hoax for that?
I am again....LOST, as uuuusuuuuuaaaaal
"Whatever 'problem' I may have with women, I chose to address it the way I did because I LOVE them. It really was done out of love. Like the parent who has to discipline the child because they KNOW they are being foul and out of bounds, my motivations were no different."
So I guess he is including as well lovers, unfaithful spouses and one night standers? and, not only women...what about men doing that?
I don´t see this research relevant to the hoax. Please enlighten me to understand what this has to do with Michael and his death because I can´t see the point yet.
Step back and look at these videos and HEAR what Dmovie is REALLY saying. It requires stepping out of EGO and personal circumstance. This is about love. It's about putting DEVINE LOVE back into the equation. In TII Michael said, "We've got to put LOVE back into the world." Trust and believe that Michael was coming from a deeply spiritual place when he said that.
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Divine Love back would be the love for God. One can´t force people to believe in the existance of God.
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Thanks for the reply, @Gema.
"Divine Love back would be the love for God. One can´t force people to believe in the existance of God."
I have come to realize that God, for me, is not an external force to be reckoned with, but rather an internal force of my own creation, outside of my own ego. I believe in something greater than my own self, but it's is inside of me. I think that the Bible can be used as a very useful moral compass.
"Is this person talking in a symbolic way or really wants to "save" women working within the sex industry putting Mary Magdelene as an example of change by faith and care?"
My interpretation of this is women hold a lot of power. It was Adam that "caved" into Eve's tempting ways. To this day, men fuel the "sexification" of women, and women perpetuate that ideal. And the male and female grow further and further apart with the objectification of women. The control to "unite" the male and female lies with the female, as we carry the "emotion". Michael has a primarily female audience. This could be the time to harness the female energy and help change the world. Just my opinion.
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I have come to realize that God, for me, is not an external force to be reckoned with, but rather an internal force of my own creation, outside of my own ego. I believe in something greater than my own self, but it's is inside of me. I think that the Bible can be used as a very useful moral compass.
Beautifully put.
Michael has a primarily female audience. This could be the time to harness the female energy and help change the world. Just my opinion.
I am not awared of the power of the female energy, but if in any case can be used for a positive change for the world, I am interested in knowing how that can be done :)
Thanks for the explanations. I am pretty ignorant about this subjects. Totally new to me.
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You are so welcome, @ Gema. I'm so glad that you want to explore this further, because I FEEL that this is what Michael's message is all about. The marriage of the opposites. Sun and Moon, Yin/Yang, left/right etc. "There's nothing that can't be done if we raise our voice as ONE."
You just need to Google (or whatever your search engine is) "male female energies." I'll start you off with this link: http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/two_ ... _body.html (http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/two_energies_one_body.html).
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Re the recent post from @Im_convincedmjalive:
"Any one thats thinking can see I am exalting and honoring women, not tearing them down. I'm only tearing down the things that created negativity inside of them and If anything, it is pointing out that the sheer dispespect of women is the PRIMARY source of most of our problems in this world. But like most severly damaged women, once that damage has been done, there is no coming back to redemption. This is why the story of Mary Magdelene is so profound and important because it was truly a "miracle" that she changed her ways and life once she came upon Jesus. It is a rare feat coming from what she came from."
Seriously? LMAO! In one sentence your exalting women, not tearing them down. Then turn around and say "Your tearing down the things that created negativity inside them". Which is it? Your exalting or tearing down because you can't have both unless your into control because that is what pimps do, they tear down a woman and then bring her back up under their control and programming.
Oh next up nice jab at attempting to say that most severly damaged women (which includes ALL women) once the damage is done there is no coming back to redemption. ??? Huh?
Next sentence yet it is a miracle because a prostitute very severly damaged came back from it. By the Grace of God and Jesus recognizing that she was worthy because she believed in him from the jump. Mary didn't hesitate to follow Jesus; that is the part you forgot to say. You also contradicted yourself with your first statement about no return for the severly damaged woman. LMAO.
That was also a jab at me and stating I am so severly damaged that I shouldn't be believed, nice try lmao.
So I told ya he reads this forum and I know all about his friends who watch his videos and are also members here on this forum. You thought I was blind and not watching? lol
I am now not allowed to have my opinion on his video and content (subject matter) which I know better than he does when it comes to the life of a prostitute. I am not allowed to critic his video as an investigator on the MJDHI website? It is a "hoax" video of Michael Jackson's fake death... I am not allowed freedom of speech, standing up for what I believe in?
Like I said in my first post:
I gave him 5 months of my silence and he took that for granted as weakness on my part. I extended the hand of peace today and he declared war. For every action there is a reaction. You all are being warned, for fasle prophets come (in this case) his (Michael's) name. Never let your guard down because the author seems friendly and on your side. Every spirit needs to be weighed whether it is from God or Satan.
You think he doesn't read this forum? Snakes slither in the grass quietly but, you always know when they are around.
From my second post:
It is not the actual subject of sin and prostitution that I am worried about coming to light, it is how it is being addressed in his videos.
Dmovie puts ALL sin and BLAME on women, mainly "whores" He is NOT qualified to speak on the subject of prostitution, I am. I specifically asked that he tread lightly, meaning show a little respect as we are HUMAN.
Dmovie puts the blame on prostitutes as if we are the problem for mankinds fall and destruction.
To specifically point fingers and cast stones at the prostitute is a hypocrite in my eyes.
To whom it may concern if you choose to be lead to slaughter that is your right.
I did my part...I gave a warning.
Peace
..."It's just horrible when someone slanders you and you are not even allowed to defend yourself properly.")
Oh please... the woe is me routine, you can still read the forum, many trolls come back after being bannned...
"Whatever 'problem' I may have with women, I chose to address it the way I did because I LOVE them. It really was done out of love. Like the parent who has to discipline the child because they KNOW they are being foul and out of bounds, my motivations were no different."
Yes whatever problem you have with women is the first step of recovery, admitting you have a problem is good. Ok ya wanna talk about a parent disciplining? So am I then... I am a disciple of Christ Jesus our Lord and I am disciplining his children.. and I am warning whoever has eyes to see and ears to hear.
Riddle me this: if Dmovie is all about Love then why did he automatically block me?
I have said all that I am going to on this issue, I got out what I wanted to say...oh and if I am slanderous criticing his video, the inaccurancies of it, regarding Jack the Ripper, prostitutes being murdered, money being made off of their deaths...If that is slanderous because I weighed out the spirit of Dmovie and I find him foul..then what he said about prostitutes is slanderous to me.
Peace
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@I'm_convincedmjalive -- I will never know what you have been through in your life, and I will never know YOUR reality. So I can only ATTEMPT to understand your pain. Can you remove yourself from this situation and see that there is a HUGE problem in this world today, and perhaps it starts in the home. Perhaps it is the next generation that will get it right. They have the chance to understand what DEVINE LOVE is. Do we, the "grownups" just throw up our hands and just acknowledge that there is no way out of this viscious cycle? You said yourself that there are many forms of prostitution. I could not agree more. You just happen to sell yourself in a more obvious manner.
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To address the Facts on Jack the Ripper.
The known facts on Jack the Ripper do perfectly match the TMP phase VII videos:
Reference - Extract from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper
"Jack the Ripper" is the best-known name given to an unidentified serial killer who was active in the largely impoverished areas in and around the Whitechapel district of London in 1888. The name originated in a letter, written by someone claiming to be the murderer, that was disseminated in the media. The letter is widely believed to have been a hoax, and may have been written by a journalist in a deliberate attempt to heighten interest in the story. Other nicknames used for the killer at the time were "The Whitechapel Murderer" and "Leather Apron".
Attacks ascribed to the Ripper typically involved female prostitutes from the slums whose throats were cut prior to abdominal mutilations. The removal of internal organs from at least three of the victims led to proposals that their killer possessed anatomical or surgical knowledge. Rumours that the murders were connected intensified in September and October 1888, and letters from a writer or writers purporting to be the murderer were received by media outlets and Scotland Yard. The "From Hell" letter, received by George Lusk of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee, included half of a preserved human kidney, supposedly from one of the victims. Mainly because of the extraordinarily brutal character of the murders, and because of media treatment of the events, the public came increasingly to believe in a single serial killer known as "Jack the Ripper".
Extensive newspaper coverage bestowed widespread and enduring international notoriety on the Ripper. An investigation into a series of brutal killings in Whitechapel up to 1891 was unable to connect all the killings conclusively to the murders of 1888, but the legend of Jack the Ripper solidified. As the murders were never solved, the legends surrounding them became a combination of genuine historical research, folklore, and pseudohistory. The term "ripperology" was coined to describe the study and analysis of the Ripper cases. There are now over one hundred theories about the Ripper's identity, and the murders have inspired multiple works of fiction.
The "Legend" of Jack the Ripper has been reported in many instances has being a Hoax invented to create Fear and increase Newspaper sales:
Reference : http://www.monstrous.com/Monstrous_People/Jack_the_Ripper_Hoax_Invented_to_Win_Newspaper_War_.html
Jack the Ripper was a forgery invented by journalists to link a series of unrelated murders and sell newspapers, according to a new book.
The unsolved murders of five prostitutes in London's East End in 1888 have spawned innumerable theories over the identity of the 'real' Jack the Ripper - with candidates including artist Walter Sickert, Alice In Wonderland author Lewis Carroll and even Queen Victoria's grandson the Duke of Clarence.
But now historian Dr Andrew Cook claims to have blown all these theories out of the water by dismissing the notion of a brutal, murderous spree by one 'serial killer' altogether.
In his book Jack The Ripper: Case Closed, he argues that the famous letter bragging about the killings - signed 'Jack the Ripper' in the first-ever use of that name - was actually forged by journalists desperate to sell their newspaper.
Dr Cook says streetwalkers Mary Nichols, Catherine Eddowes, Mary Kelly, Elizabeth Stride and Annie Chapman were killed by different men, as were the six other Whitechapel victims often added to the Ripper's toll.
He takes his evidence from police and medical experts at the time who expressed doubts about the single killer theory even as it began to take hold on the public imagination.
The senior Whitechapel policeman at the time of the killings admitted in his retirement speech that he did not believe Mary Kelly was killed by 'Jack the Ripper', Dr Cook points out.
The assistant police surgeon who examined all five victims, Percy Clark, told the East London Observer in 1910: 'I think perhaps one man was responsible for three of them. I would not like to say he did the others.'
However, comments like this were a drop in an ocean as the myth of the lone rogue killer took hold of the Victorian imagination.
Dr Cook shows that the newly-launched Star newspaper was the first to claim that one man was behind three of the 1888 killings.
Even though most experts today agree that two of these - Emma Smith and Martha Tabram - were not carried out by the same man, the Star's prurient accounts of the on-going murders massively boosted its circulation.
The Star only unveiled the notorious letter from 'Jack the Ripper' in the midst of a drastic fall in sales after the exoneration of a bootmaker it had identified as a key suspect.
Handwriting expert Elaine Quigley, recruited by Dr Cook to examine the letter, has identified it as the work of Star journalist Frederick Best.
But the public was convinced, Dr Cook says - and the concept of a lone rogue killer on the loose in the East End backstreets may have helped the real culprits literally get away with murder.
With L.O.V.E
P.S.: Do not confuse Jack the Ripper with the Yorkshire Ripper! - Different Place... Different Time...
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The issue is very controversial Mary Magdalene:
It is said that Jesus had a follower who so loved as much as to have the courage to attend his crucifixion, a follower that he love both chose him as the first person to know his resurrection. This character has come down to us with controversial name and profession: Mary Magdalene, the prostitute. But in the canonical Gospels never is it presented as such, at most relates it as a freed sinful. The linkage of Mary Magdalene with a prostitute is due to a rather late interpretation, carried out at least the 4th century, if not later, based on a questionable reading of the famous passage from the Gospel according to St. Luke in which it appears a sinner who washes the feet of the Lord and rinse them with her hair. Washing feet was a service that you did to show welcome and hospitality or simply for deference. Normally performed it a slave no Jew or a woman, but not a prostitute. A literal interpretation of la Magdalena character and their profession is not only wrong and desecadora, but it also can to mislead us or prevent us from discover what is hidden behind one of the richest and most beautiful Christian themes. Remember that Eastern santa María Magdalena, far from being a public sinner is a Virgin who in recent years I have been to church eremitic life.
That Mary Magdalene was the first person to come into contact with the risen Christ precisely awarded the primary roles in the esoteric filiation of Christianity. It has come it to call "the Evangelist of the resurrection". Certainly it is normal that relates it to John, the beloved disciple, and no enjoyment of the sympathies of Peter, who is who in some way symbolises the stone church, outdoor, Church while John symbolizes the Church of love, the domestic church.
In the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, after hearing the story of a vision that Maria Magdalena receives specific teachings of el Salvador to the soul, the same Peter is amazed, and said: "master has talked with a woman without we know, and not manifestly, things that are ignored, so all we return us and listen to this woman?" Has really preferred it to us? "."
If the Magdalena represents the soul, it is logical that the redemptive words of Christ are directed to it and not men of "flesh and blood", as Jews, would say or of "flesh and bone", as we say "Christians". This Gospel is not current; words as in the Gospel of Thomas, containing "the secret words which Jesus had said", we find words nor the Apostles themselves knew: "these thoughts are different from what we know."
It is aimed at redeeming words Nous, some translated by mind, but rather refers to the divine spark that dwells within every human being.
The Three Marias
The Gospels speak of three Marys and in several passages we find one that could well be Mary Magdalene. In one of the most plémicos Gnostic Gospels, the so-called Gospel of Philip, we read:
"There were three Mariam, who walked with the teacher all the time: his mother (his) sister and Magdalene, who is called his partner."
The first verse of canonical origin which refers to Mary Magdalene is found just after the crucifixion (Matthew XXVII-56) and before the resurrection of Jesus. There is explicitly called Mary Magdalene. Further distinguishing between Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James, is back to saying "there was Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, sitting opposite the tomb. " In the Gospel of Mark (XV-57) the text is slightly different: "Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph looked where he was laid. " And later (XVI-I): "After the Sabbath, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices to go and anoint him. "
But the Gospel passage that perhaps provides more data on the character is in Mark
XVI-9 says:
Resurrected Jesus on the morning of the first day of the week, is first appeared to Mary Magdalene, who had missed seven demons." "She was who announced it to those who had lived with him, which were mired in sadness yel crying, but hearing that lived and had been seen by her, not believed it."
Several things can deduct a first reading of these words:
1-Mary Magdalene was the first person that resurrected Jesus appeared. This gives already a superiority over the other disciples, superiority to the Apostles, especially Peter, do not seem to have been recognized.
2 - Mary Magdalene you had "taken" or is removed, seven demons. This allows us to identify women appearing in Lucas VIII-2, which was a sinner, but that does not say at any one time than prostitute.
3-Maria Magdalena announcing Jesus resurrected, but his own disciples not believed it, despite the fact that, as we read in John XX-9, was that in writing that "necessary was that the resucitase from the dead". This attitude is still in many Christians, it somehow have stayed on the cross but not gone further on. As Louis Cattiaux wrote in his book the back message, "the believer's faith is delete the desolation of death to have hope in the resurrection and the joy of a new life force", and later: "many believed do good going in search of the death of Jesus, but none was followed in the resurrection, which is the only one that justifies the passion of the beautiful Lord and confirms our upcoming release".Volviendo item in question, instead of being the first person to contemplate Jesus María Magdalena resurrected would have been a man (an apostle, as it would be the logical thing), would have thought you?
http://www.celtiberia.net/articulo.asp?id=1340 (http://www.celtiberia.net/articulo.asp?id=1340)
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Paula,
Several things can deduct a first reading of these words:
1-Mary Magdalene was the first person that resurrected Jesus appeared. This gives already a superiority over the other disciples, superiority to the Apostles, especially Peter, do not seem to have been recognized.
2 - Mary Magdalene you had "taken" or is removed, seven demons. This allows us to identify women appearing in Lucas VIII-2, which was a sinner, but that does not say at any one time than prostitute.
3-Maria Magdalena announcing Jesus resurrected, but his own disciples not believed it, despite the fact that, as we read in John XX-9, was that in writing that "necessary was that the resucitase from the dead". This attitude is still in many Christians, it somehow have stayed on the cross but not gone further on. As Louis Cattiaux wrote in his book the back message, "the believer's faith is delete the desolation of death to have hope in the resurrection and the joy of a new life force", and later: "many believed do good going in search of the death of Jesus, but none was followed in the resurrection, which is the only one that justifies the passion of the beautiful Lord and confirms our upcoming release".Volviendo item in question, instead of being the first person to contemplate Jesus María Magdalena resurrected would have been a man (an apostle, as it would be the logical thing), would have thought you?
Mary Magdalene a man??
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You are so welcome, @ Gema. I'm so glad that you want to explore this further, because I FEEL that this is what Michael's message is all about. The marriage of the opposites. Sun and Moon, Yin/Yang, left/right etc. "There's nothing that can't be done if we raise our voice as ONE."
You just need to Google (or whatever your search engine is) "male female energies." I'll start you off with this link: http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/two_ ... _body.html (http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/two_energies_one_body.html).
Thanks for the link. I took the time to read it. Very new to my knowledge :)
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TheRunningGirl wrote:
The Jack the Ripper scenes in TMP Phase VII part 1 video are absolutely accurate, the tour of the Quarter mile is one of London many "attractions" and until watching the TMP video I never realised that this was a possible "HOAX" created by TPTB to bring FEAR.
8-)
It is not the actual subject of sin and prostitution that I am worried about coming to light, it is how it is being addressed in his videos. To say that Jack the Ripper who murdered prostitutes is a hoax is nonsense. It would be like saying The Green River killer was a hoax. I know better, I was out on the streets when he was killing women.
I have lost many friends at the hands of killers aka a trick who went on a killing spree sometimes in the name of cleaning up the sinfulness because of the "whore"
Off the backs and death of women; the greedy turned it into a profitable business.
Dmovie puts ALL sin and BLAME on women, mainly "whores" He is NOT qualified to speak on the subject of prostitution, I am. I specifically asked that he tread lightly, meaning show a little respect as we are HUMAN.
Do you see my issue? Do you really understand why I am so passionate about the issue?
Dmovie puts the blame on prostitutes as if we are the problem for mankinds fall and destruction.
Well since it appears I have been misunderstood as to why I am upset at the suggestion of Jack the Ripper murders being a hoax; I will show you why I referenced The Green River Killer. The murders happened in London just as they did in the state of Washington, Portland, and where ever else Gary Ridgeway aka The Green River Killer chose to murder women.
Do you know how much money has been made exploiting the murders of these women by The Green River Killer? Do you know how many times the police had Gary in their custody but, let him go and he continued to murder women for 20 years? :x
[youtube:25pfvwcn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0A2oAUNi0Q[/youtube:25pfvwcn]
[youtube:25pfvwcn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRUM47q9Fvs&feature=related[/youtube:25pfvwcn]
[youtube:25pfvwcn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N27ElFO59Yo&feature=related[/youtube:25pfvwcn]
[youtube:25pfvwcn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d9Bq0dokTY&feature=related[/youtube:25pfvwcn][youtube:25pfvwcn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM0C-oKscmU&feature=related[/youtube:25pfvwcn]To address the Facts on Jack the Ripper.
The known facts on Jack the Ripper do perfectly match the TMP phase VII videos:
Reference - Extract from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper
"Jack the Ripper" is the best-known name given to an unidentified serial killer who was active in the largely impoverished areas in and around the Whitechapel district of London in 1888. The name originated in a letter, written by someone claiming to be the murderer, that was disseminated in the media. The letter is widely believed to have been a hoax, and may have been written by a journalist in a deliberate attempt to heighten interest in the story. Other nicknames used for the killer at the time were "The Whitechapel Murderer" and "Leather Apron".
Attacks ascribed to the Ripper typically involved female prostitutes from the slums whose throats were cut prior to abdominal mutilations. The removal of internal organs from at least three of the victims led to proposals that their killer possessed anatomical or surgical knowledge. Rumours that the murders were connected intensified in September and October 1888, and letters from a writer or writers purporting to be the murderer were received by media outlets and Scotland Yard. The "From Hell" letter, received by George Lusk of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee, included half of a preserved human kidney, supposedly from one of the victims. Mainly because of the extraordinarily brutal character of the murders, and because of media treatment of the events, the public came increasingly to believe in a single serial killer known as "Jack the Ripper".
Extensive newspaper coverage bestowed widespread and enduring international notoriety on the Ripper. An investigation into a series of brutal killings in Whitechapel up to 1891 was unable to connect all the killings conclusively to the murders of 1888, but the legend of Jack the Ripper solidified. As the murders were never solved, the legends surrounding them became a combination of genuine historical research, folklore, and pseudohistory. The term "ripperology" was coined to describe the study and analysis of the Ripper cases. There are now over one hundred theories about the Ripper's identity, and the murders have inspired multiple works of fiction.
The "Legend" of Jack the Ripper has been reported in many instances has being a Hoax invented to create Fear and increase Newspaper sales:
Reference : http://www.monstrous.com/Monstrous_People/Jack_the_Ripper_Hoax_Invented_to_Win_Newspaper_War_.html
Jack the Ripper was a forgery invented by journalists to link a series of unrelated murders and sell newspapers, according to a new book.
The unsolved murders of five prostitutes in London's East End in 1888 have spawned innumerable theories over the identity of the 'real' Jack the Ripper - with candidates including artist Walter Sickert, Alice In Wonderland author Lewis Carroll and even Queen Victoria's grandson the Duke of Clarence.
But now historian Dr Andrew Cook claims to have blown all these theories out of the water by dismissing the notion of a brutal, murderous spree by one 'serial killer' altogether.
In his book Jack The Ripper: Case Closed, he argues that the famous letter bragging about the killings - signed 'Jack the Ripper' in the first-ever use of that name - was actually forged by journalists desperate to sell their newspaper.
Dr Cook says streetwalkers Mary Nichols, Catherine Eddowes, Mary Kelly, Elizabeth Stride and Annie Chapman were killed by different men, as were the six other Whitechapel victims often added to the Ripper's toll.
He takes his evidence from police and medical experts at the time who expressed doubts about the single killer theory even as it began to take hold on the public imagination.
The senior Whitechapel policeman at the time of the killings admitted in his retirement speech that he did not believe Mary Kelly was killed by 'Jack the Ripper', Dr Cook points out.
The assistant police surgeon who examined all five victims, Percy Clark, told the East London Observer in 1910: 'I think perhaps one man was responsible for three of them. I would not like to say he did the others.'
However, comments like this were a drop in an ocean as the myth of the lone rogue killer took hold of the Victorian imagination.
Dr Cook shows that the newly-launched Star newspaper was the first to claim that one man was behind three of the 1888 killings.
Even though most experts today agree that two of these - Emma Smith and Martha Tabram - were not carried out by the same man, the Star's prurient accounts of the on-going murders massively boosted its circulation.
The Star only unveiled the notorious letter from 'Jack the Ripper' in the midst of a drastic fall in sales after the exoneration of a bootmaker it had identified as a key suspect.
Handwriting expert Elaine Quigley, recruited by Dr Cook to examine the letter, has identified it as the work of Star journalist Frederick Best.
But the public was convinced, Dr Cook says - and the concept of a lone rogue killer on the loose in the East End backstreets may have helped the real culprits literally get away with murder.
With L.O.V.E
P.S.: Do not confuse Jack the Ripper with the Yorkshire Ripper! - Different Place... Different Time...
I was not arguing Dmovie's facts of tourism as being inaccurate. I am saying his suggestion that the theory of Jack the Ripper was just a hoax to scare people is inaccurate. You are quoting wikipedia and news media for your evidence towards the argument, I however know that wikipedia is to be taken with a grain of salt because everyone can add to it their theories, also to quote the media and to use their words as truth....really? We all should know by now to also take the media with a grain of salt.
Also I don't disagree with the fact that the media and anyone else who exploits the deaths of the women were done with the modivation to SELL newspapers, books, tourism, to make a PROFIT= money.oh and if I am slanderous criticing his video, the inaccurancies of it, regarding Jack the Ripper, prostitutes being murdered, money being made off of their deaths...If that is slanderous because I weighed out the spirit of Dmovie and I find him foul..then what he said about prostitutes is slanderous to me.
Do you know how disinformation is used, spread, and why?
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There's so much to respond to in this thread.
Add Prince to my personal list of contenders for TS, currently Lisa P., Joe Espisito, TT, Elvis. My personal favorite is MJ
for sure, and most likely. But just in case it's not MJ, then one of these. 50% to 95% sure TS is Michael :lol: .
Prostitution, well that has been around since practically Adam and Eve and their kids. God created men and women with
genitalia believe it or not, and the electrical impulses of pleasure or pain along with them! :shock: :o :lol: Someone posted about Rahab in the Jericho situation being in the bloodline of Jesus, and there was as well Judah, one of the 12 sons of Jacob, had a child from a prostitute Tamar in the bloodline. Then in the New Testament Jesus was born so-called in the setting where people must have thought Mary slept with someone other than Joseph her betrothed. Then finally Jesus himself hung around sinners and was accused of doing so. That historical setting was not kind to women. The Bible is written in the setting of male dominance, fact, part of the original curse. Jesus broke that mold in some ways. I personally believe the book of John was written by Mary Magdalene, the disciple whom Jesus loved. The evidence points to that. (I've written about the details on another thread.) Hebrews written by Priscilla, wife of Aquilla.
But then I believe ALL is planned by God, evil and all literature, religion, sin and temptation--everything. No free will--myth and part of the illusion. We THINK we think our own thoughts and carry out our own plans and sin nature or loving ways. Michael even said he could have influenced Hitler and those 2 brit boys who heiniously tortured that todler to death, for good with love.
Concerning Jack the Ripper, someone that MJ mentioned several times, means he (or concept) is significant for some reason. So which of these opinions is correct IDK-- JTR fictitious or real? The fact is many prostitutes are murdered all the time in every city throughout the world. In my city there are several per year. Robert Picton is famous in Vancouver for having supposedly slaughtered 50. You are correct that if men didn't have these weaknesses or lusts there wouldn't be this issue. But it's all part of God's storyline. HISstory and the human tapestry.
Interesting that Lisa Marie was married before, and married again after MJ, yet he loves her still. A theme in the Old Testament is God's love for his wife--Israel as a nation. She was a prostitute and unfaithful, and sometimes God says he has divorced her and sometimes angry with her, but still always loves her and will always love her. Read the major prophetic books. God told Hosea to marry a prostitute Gomer and have 2 children with her, whose names were symbolic of Israel as God's wife. The prostitute themes run throughout the Bible; it's one of many layers of the story. Beautiful I think. God's thoughts and ways are not like man's thoughts and ways.
The Apostle Paul who wrote many books in the New Testament, was a student of Pharasaism, converted to Christ. He still maintained his anti-women stance, though teaching against the Laws of Pharasaism. We all keep certain aspects of our environment and upbringing whether we think we do or not.
About the confrontational dispute going on in this thread, we all have personalities, and styles of communication. I hope respect and love can prevail over emotion. If there is wrongdoing, it will eventually come out. Blessings to all.
Im_convincedmjalive
I respect you and appreciate all your contributions to this forum. I believe you are a genuine passionate person.
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The issue is very controversial Mary Magdalene:
http://www.celtiberia.net/articulo.asp?id=1340 (http://www.celtiberia.net/articulo.asp?id=1340)
You are absolutely right Paula, Marie Magdalene remains in large an enigma today with many theories about who she really was. The article is absolutely right in stating that she may indeed not have been a prostitute. Mary Magdalene may have been a disciple of Jesus or even his wife.
God created man in his image. In God's image he created him. Male and female He created them. -- Genesis 1:27
And I feel sometime that religions have voluntarily removed God's feminine face and with it the emotions, the compassion, the love of life, people and things.
I particularly like the poem Thunder, Perfect Mind from the Gospel of Thomas (see below reference) that may so nicely describe Mary Magdalene.
Reference: http://home.clara.net/heureka/religion/ ... minine.htm (http://home.clara.net/heureka/religion/sacred-feminine.htm)
The Gospel of Thomas was suppressed by the Church with the same rigour and brutality that it used to suppress heretics and witches. Only fragments had survived, until a copy was found with the Nag Hammadi find in Egypt in 1945. Although less well known, the Nag Hammadi find was as important as finding the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The Nag Hammadi find contained a number of interesting documents that shed light on early Christianity, including a number of early Christian gospels, the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Truth (written from the perspective of the serpent in the Garden of Eden), the Apocryphon of John (mysteries taught by Jesus to John), the Gospel to the Egyptians (the Great Book of the Sacred Spirit), early Christian writings attributed to the followers of Jesus, the Secret Book of James, the Apocalypse of Paul, the Letter of Peter to Paul, the Apocalypse of Peter and a miscellanea of poetry, quasi-philosophical and theological discussions and descriptions of the origins of the universe, magic, myths and mystical practices. In total thirteen leather-bound papyrus books and assorted loose leaves of papyrus in an earthenware jar, fifty-two documents, of which forty were previously unknown.
The documents themselves are dated at around 350-400 AD, but draw upon much earlier documents of which they are copies.
One of the poems, entitled Thunder, Perfect Mind is spoken in the voice of a divine female power:
For I am the first and the last.
I am the honoured one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin ...
I am the barren one,
and many are her sons ...
I am the silence that is incomprehensible ...
I am the utterance of my name.
With L.O.V.E
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Why is Magdalene being discussed?
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If TheRunningGirl and Gem he asks me if I believe that Maria Magadalenn is a man, not, as well as i do not believe that it was a prostitute, is interesting what they say The Gnostic Gospels
The first documents for Christianity. Oddly enough, does not match the Gospels of the Bible. The Gospel of Philip, for example: the companion of the Saviour is Mary Magdalene. Christ loved her more than all his disciples and used to kiss her in the mouth. The rest of disciples were offended by this and he expressed his disapproval. He said: why it rather than all of us love?.
In Aramaic, the word 'partner' at that time meant literally 'wife'. 'And the companion of the Saviour was Mary Magdalene. Other paragraphs was given to understand clearly that Magdalena and Jesus had a romantic relationship. The Gospel of Mary Magdalene: and Peter said: «What has spoken el Salvador with a woman without our knowledge?.» Must we give us all the back and listen to it? «Prefers it to us?» And Levi responded: «Peter, you've always very impetuous.» I now see you fighting against women as an adversary. If the Savior has made worthy, who are you to reject it?. Sure that el Salvador known very well. «Why it loved more than us.»
The prostitute? This word sounds to insult! -I think that Magdalena was not!. This unfortunate misconception is the legacy of a smear campaign launched by the Church in his early
Obviously the Vatican, faithful to its tradition of obscurantist, tried by all means prevent disclosure of those texts. Because with them were uncovered machinations and contradictions and confirming that the modern Bible was compiled and edited by men who have the tendency to overestimate what masculion and devaluacion of femininity.
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Looks like the church had a weird interest in portraying women as bad :x
The most probable is that Jesus, being 33, male, had a wife and kids, grown up ones btw, as any men in his village.
Also, If Magdalene followed him together with Mary, his mother, and Ann, his aunt, looks to me that they were a family already.
Who knows, may be Jesus was a normal guy who one day got a psychosis and lost it. Moisés also "talked" to God and Mary also showed signs of "mental insanity". Was may be running in the family?
Do not get me wrong, I don´t want to offend Jesus followers or the Iconic figure of Jesus and all of the Saints, or God. I am just trying to add some "now a days" views on the Jesus´s story phenomenom.
On the other hand, as the story is written, it is very easy to love a person as Jesus and also, imo, some parts of the Bible are really a great manual of morality and love and care examples.
The sad thing is that the scriptures have been manipulated over the years, so one will never know how the story really went, unless of course, the Ark of the Covenant finally is located and opened and one can read the 10 commandments and may be find the real book, who knows!
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@I'm_convincedmjalive -- I will never know what you have been through in your life, and I will never know YOUR reality. So I can only ATTEMPT to understand your pain. Can you remove yourself from this situation and see that there is a HUGE problem in this world today, and perhaps it starts in the home. Perhaps it is the next generation that will get it right. They have the chance to understand what DEVINE LOVE is. Do we, the "grownups" just throw up our hands and just acknowledge that there is no way out of this viscious cycle? You said yourself that there are many forms of prostitution. I could not agree more. You just happen to sell yourself in a more obvious manner.
Yes I am very capable of looking at this objectively; don't confuse what I have been through and my response to his video content as being emotionally charged based on my past. I said it is HOW the content is being told. Who is more qualified to address the problem? The woman who has lived it or a man who is saying in his video that mans sin and fall is because of the immoral prostitute?
You think I don't know this is a HUGE problem? I lived it, I know full well that it does start from the home why women end up being a prostitute. I am not saying this issue isn't important and that it shouldn't be discussed and looked at. I am saying the way it is being protrayed is one sided. I am allowed to voice my disagreements of his video. He has his opinion and I have mine.
I am allowed to have an opposing view seeing how I actually lived it.
Do not misunderstand why I raise issues with his video and placing blame solely on women especially prostitutes. Maybe you should really pay attention to how Dmovie is leading you to his thought process, his objective to have you think his way, his objective to preach on subjects he lacks knowledge in. Why do you feel the need to stand up for him?
Did you not see who was in his Chapter One video and who stood up for him before and now who is the one he has shuned, stabbed in the back...
Peace
So originally I tried to end this debate over my reasons of strong dislike in how Dmovie presented the issue of prostitution. I said I had said all I was going to but, it kept going. I will explain myself if I am being misunderstood. I originally sent this as a PM but, I never got a response from mjintrigue2012. Since these are my words in PM and I choose to openly share what I said; I am therefore reposting my explanation.
@ MJonmind,
Thank you for the bible (scripture) info. I appreciate you as well in your contribution to this subject. I do not have a problem with the way the issue is being dealt with now as long as it is fair and more than one explanation is given.
Thanks to everyone who has added to it.
Peace
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@Im_convincedmjalive - Here are some answers to the points you made. Let me be clear that those answers reflect my PERSONAL perspective and NOBODY else.
TheRunningGirl wrote:
The Jack the Ripper scenes in TMP Phase VII part 1 video are absolutely accurate, the tour of the Quarter mile is one of London many "attractions" and until watching the TMP video I never realised that this was a possible "HOAX" created by TPTB to bring FEAR.
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It is not the actual subject of sin and prostitution that I am worried about coming to light, it is how it is being addressed in his videos. To say that Jack the Ripper who murdered prostitutes is a hoax is nonsense. It would be like saying The Green River killer was a hoax. I know better, I was out on the streets when he was killing women.
I have lost many friends at the hands of killers aka a trick who went on a killing spree sometimes in the name of cleaning up the sinfulness because of the "whore"
Off the backs and death of women; the greedy turned it into a profitable business.
Dmovie puts ALL sin and BLAME on women, mainly "whores" He is NOT qualified to speak on the subject of prostitution, I am. I specifically asked that he tread lightly, meaning show a little respect as we are HUMAN.
Do you see my issue? Do you really understand why I am so passionate about the issue?
Dmovie puts the blame on prostitutes as if we are the problem for mankinds fall and destruction.
Well since it appears I have been misunderstood as to why I am upset at the suggestion of Jack the Ripper murders being a hoax; I will show you why I referenced The Green River Killer. The murders happened in London just as they did in the state of Washington, Portland, and where ever else Gary Ridgeway aka The Green River Killer chose to murder women.
Do you know how much money has been made exploiting the murders of these women by The Green River Killer? Do you know how many times the police had Gary in their custody but, let him go and he continued to murder women for 20 years? :x
The use of the word Hoax with reference to Jack the Ripper does NOT implies that the women were not killed - It simply states that the name of "Jack the Ripper" likely originated from a letter sent by a journalist and that "Jack the Ripper" as such never existed and the prostitutes were killed by different men rather than one serial killer. This suited TPTB who were looking at stopping the influx of Irish immigrants in the area and wanted to create a FEAR factor...
I can understand why you are passionate on the topic, I however do NOT see the NEGATIVES you see in the TMP videos and on a personal level I have always found Dmovie27 extremely pleasant. I do see a lot of Love for women and a belief in the divine feminine and the words used in the video are inherent in the scriptures. There is no attempt to put the blame on women but a definite desire to bring back the divine feminine to create a more balanced and better humanity.
Thank you for your videos on the Green River Killer. Distressing "story". In both cases women were killed, creating great suffering.
To address the Facts on Jack the Ripper.
The known facts on Jack the Ripper do perfectly match the TMP phase VII videos:
Reference - Extract from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper
"Jack the Ripper" is the best-known name given to an unidentified serial killer who was active in the largely impoverished areas in and around the Whitechapel district of London in 1888. The name originated in a letter, written by someone claiming to be the murderer, that was disseminated in the media. The letter is widely believed to have been a hoax, and may have been written by a journalist in a deliberate attempt to heighten interest in the story. Other nicknames used for the killer at the time were "The Whitechapel Murderer" and "Leather Apron".
Attacks ascribed to the Ripper typically involved female prostitutes from the slums whose throats were cut prior to abdominal mutilations. The removal of internal organs from at least three of the victims led to proposals that their killer possessed anatomical or surgical knowledge. Rumours that the murders were connected intensified in September and October 1888, and letters from a writer or writers purporting to be the murderer were received by media outlets and Scotland Yard. The "From Hell" letter, received by George Lusk of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee, included half of a preserved human kidney, supposedly from one of the victims. Mainly because of the extraordinarily brutal character of the murders, and because of media treatment of the events, the public came increasingly to believe in a single serial killer known as "Jack the Ripper".
Extensive newspaper coverage bestowed widespread and enduring international notoriety on the Ripper. An investigation into a series of brutal killings in Whitechapel up to 1891 was unable to connect all the killings conclusively to the murders of 1888, but the legend of Jack the Ripper solidified. As the murders were never solved, the legends surrounding them became a combination of genuine historical research, folklore, and pseudohistory. The term "ripperology" was coined to describe the study and analysis of the Ripper cases. There are now over one hundred theories about the Ripper's identity, and the murders have inspired multiple works of fiction.
The "Legend" of Jack the Ripper has been reported in many instances has being a Hoax invented to create Fear and increase Newspaper sales:
Reference : http://www.monstrous.com/Monstrous_People/Jack_the_Ripper_Hoax_Invented_to_Win_Newspaper_War_.html
Jack the Ripper was a forgery invented by journalists to link a series of unrelated murders and sell newspapers, according to a new book.
The unsolved murders of five prostitutes in London's East End in 1888 have spawned innumerable theories over the identity of the 'real' Jack the Ripper - with candidates including artist Walter Sickert, Alice In Wonderland author Lewis Carroll and even Queen Victoria's grandson the Duke of Clarence.
But now historian Dr Andrew Cook claims to have blown all these theories out of the water by dismissing the notion of a brutal, murderous spree by one 'serial killer' altogether.
In his book Jack The Ripper: Case Closed, he argues that the famous letter bragging about the killings - signed 'Jack the Ripper' in the first-ever use of that name - was actually forged by journalists desperate to sell their newspaper.
Dr Cook says streetwalkers Mary Nichols, Catherine Eddowes, Mary Kelly, Elizabeth Stride and Annie Chapman were killed by different men, as were the six other Whitechapel victims often added to the Ripper's toll.
He takes his evidence from police and medical experts at the time who expressed doubts about the single killer theory even as it began to take hold on the public imagination.
The senior Whitechapel policeman at the time of the killings admitted in his retirement speech that he did not believe Mary Kelly was killed by 'Jack the Ripper', Dr Cook points out.
The assistant police surgeon who examined all five victims, Percy Clark, told the East London Observer in 1910: 'I think perhaps one man was responsible for three of them. I would not like to say he did the others.'
However, comments like this were a drop in an ocean as the myth of the lone rogue killer took hold of the Victorian imagination.
Dr Cook shows that the newly-launched Star newspaper was the first to claim that one man was behind three of the 1888 killings.
Even though most experts today agree that two of these - Emma Smith and Martha Tabram - were not carried out by the same man, the Star's prurient accounts of the on-going murders massively boosted its circulation.
The Star only unveiled the notorious letter from 'Jack the Ripper' in the midst of a drastic fall in sales after the exoneration of a bootmaker it had identified as a key suspect.
Handwriting expert Elaine Quigley, recruited by Dr Cook to examine the letter, has identified it as the work of Star journalist Frederick Best.
But the public was convinced, Dr Cook says - and the concept of a lone rogue killer on the loose in the East End backstreets may have helped the real culprits literally get away with murder.
With L.O.V.E
P.S.: Do not confuse Jack the Ripper with the Yorkshire Ripper! - Different Place... Different Time...
I was not arguing Dmovie's facts of tourism as being inaccurate. I am saying his suggestion that the theory of Jack the Ripper was just a hoax to scare people is inaccurate. You are quoting wikipedia and news media for your evidence towards the argument, I however know that wikipedia is to be taken with a grain of salt because everyone can add to it their theories, also to quote the media and to use their words as truth....really? We all should know by now to also take the media with a grain of salt.
Also I don't disagree with the fact that the media and anyone else who exploits the deaths of the women were done with the modivation to SELL newspapers, books, tourism, to make a PROFIT= money.oh and if I am slanderous criticing his video, the inaccurancies of it, regarding Jack the Ripper, prostitutes being murdered, money being made off of their deaths...If that is slanderous because I weighed out the spirit of Dmovie and I find him foul..then what he said about prostitutes is slanderous to me.
Do you know how disinformation is used, spread, and why?
Wikipedia was only used to bring the facts on "Jack the Ripper" not the Hoax story - I know how information are used in the Wiki but beLIEve that for general purpose it is an acceptable source of information.
It is widely reported that the actual letter(s) signed Jack the Ripper were indeed a Hoax and neither you or I have facts pertinent to what happened 105 years to argue whether the letters were a Hoax or not. My point was that the reference to the letters as a "Hoax" has been around for at least 20 years and probably longer!
http://www.jack-the-ripper-tour.com/jack_letters.htm
Yes I know how dis-information is used, spread and why. Why?
With L.O.V.E
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There's so much to respond to in this thread.
Add Prince to my personal list of contenders for TS, currently Lisa P., Joe Espisito, TT, Elvis. My personal favorite is MJ
for sure, and most likely. But just in case it's not MJ, then one of these. 50% to 95% sure TS is Michael :lol: .
Prostitution, well that has been around since practically Adam and Eve and their kids. God created men and women with
genitalia believe it or not, and the electrical impulses of pleasure or pain along with them! :shock: :o :lol: Someone posted about Rahab in the Jericho situation being in the bloodline of Jesus, and there was as well Judah, one of the 12 sons of Jacob, had a child from a prostitute Tamar in the bloodline. Then in the New Testament Jesus was born so-called in the setting where people must have thought Mary slept with someone other than Joseph her betrothed. Then finally Jesus himself hung around sinners and was accused of doing so. That historical setting was not kind to women. The Bible is written in the setting of male dominance, fact, part of the original curse. Jesus broke that mold in some ways. I personally believe the book of John was written by Mary Magdalene, the disciple whom Jesus loved. The evidence points to that. (I've written about the details on another thread.) Hebrews written by Priscilla, wife of Aquilla.
But then I believe ALL is planned by God, evil and all literature, religion, sin and temptation--everything. No free will--myth and part of the illusion. We THINK we think our own thoughts and carry out our own plans and sin nature or loving ways. Michael even said he could have influenced Hitler and those 2 brit boys who heiniously tortured that todler to death, for good with love.
Concerning Jack the Ripper, someone that MJ mentioned several times, means he (or concept) is significant for some reason. So which of these opinions is correct IDK-- JTR fictitious or real? The fact is many prostitutes are murdered all the time in every city throughout the world. In my city there are several per year. Robert Picton is famous in Vancouver for having supposedly slaughtered 50. You are correct that if men didn't have these weaknesses or lusts there wouldn't be this issue. But it's all part of God's storyline. HISstory and the human tapestry.
Interesting that Lisa Marie was married before, and married again after MJ, yet he loves her still. A theme in the Old Testament is God's love for his wife--Israel as a nation. She was a prostitute and unfaithful, and sometimes God says he has divorced her and sometimes angry with her, but still always loves her and will always love her. Read the major prophetic books. God told Hosea to marry a prostitute Gomer and have 2 children with her, whose names were symbolic of Israel as God's wife. The prostitute themes run throughout the Bible; it's one of many layers of the story. Beautiful I think. God's thoughts and ways are not like man's thoughts and ways.
The Apostle Paul who wrote many books in the New Testament, was a student of Pharasaism, converted to Christ. He still maintained his anti-women stance, though teaching against the Laws of Pharasaism. We all keep certain aspects of our environment and upbringing whether we think we do or not.
Yes MJonmind - Those excellent videos really give food for thoughts!
Women were killed in 1888 in the London White Chapel area, the Hoax reference is I believe about the letter(s) signed Jack the Ripper which are said to have been written by a journalist looking at a way to increase paper sales.
http://www.jack-the-ripper-tour.com/jack_letters.htm (http://www.jack-the-ripper-tour.com/jack_letters.htm)
Yes, the role of LMP in the hoax and her portrayal in the videos is fascinating. I really wonder which Truth will come out!
With L.O.V.E
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I tried to copy the text of this article over, but it didn't work. An interesting presentation entitled: "Mary Magdalene: Our Spritual Mirror."
http://creationspirit.files.wordpress.c ... irror_.pdf (http://creationspirit.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mary-magdalene-our-spiritual-mirror_.pdf)
http://www.grailproductions.com/article ... sciousness (http://www.grailproductions.com/articles/the-year-2012-the-birthing-of-christ-consciousness)
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TheRunningGirl wrote:
The use of the word Hoax with reference to Jack the Ripper does NOT implies that the women were not killed - It simply states that the name of "Jack the Ripper" likely originated from a letter sent by a journalist and that "Jack the Ripper" as such never existed and the prostitutes were killed by different men rather than one serial killer. This suited TPTB who were looking at stopping the influx of Irish immigrants in the area and wanted to create a FEAR factor...
I can understand why you are passionate on the topic, I however do NOT see the NEGATIVES you see in the TMP videos and on a personal level I have always found Dmovie27 extremely pleasant. I do see a lot of Love for women and a belief in the divine feminine and the words used in the video are inherent in the scriptures. There is no attempt to put the blame on women but a definite desire to bring back the divine feminine to create a more balanced and better humanity.
Thank you for your videos on the Green River Killer. Distressing "story". In both cases women were killed, creating great suffering.
Yes I know how it was being used in the sense that it is a myth that a man named Jack the Ripper was created to be a farse and that it may have been possible that there was more than one man responsible for the murders. I also understand that it is possible that TPTB used the murders of those women to suit their needs. To make MONEY. The tourism is a very good example of TPTB using the murders to their benefit. Human Nature is curiousity even if it is morbid.
I highly doubt it was used to create fear to conform. You know why I say this? Look at the way the images are shown in todays media as acceptable? There is more reality shows on today showing women being "whores" to use Dmovie's word as an acceptable way to act. MTV 16 and pregnant, For the LOVE of Ray J, and whoever is hot at the moment, The Bad girls club, etc. This is all considered acceptable behavour by society.
The music videos shown today are showing society how to behave, like drunks, party, have sex, a free for all. You see where I am going?
As for Dmovie and his true intentions, you will see (maybe.) I don't think you or anyone else who has contact with him actually have the same kind of conversations as we did. These were not nice, loving, respectful convos. You will see in his video something different because of his deceitful words he uses outfront. It is now becoming a personal issue more than I wanted it to. I personally don't care what interactions you all have with him anymore, I have said what I can and that is it.TheRunningGirl wrote:
Wikipedia was only used to bring the facts on "Jack the Ripper" not the Hoax story - I know how information are used in the Wiki but beLIEve that for general purpose it is an acceptable source of information.
It is widely reported that the actual letter(s) signed Jack the Ripper were indeed a Hoax and neither you or I have facts pertinent to what happened 105 years to argue whether the letters were a Hoax or not. My point was that the reference to the letters as a "Hoax" has been around for at least 20 years and probably longer!
http://www.jack-the-ripper-tour.com/jack_letters.htm (http://www.jack-the-ripper-tour.com/jack_letters.htm)
Yes I know how dis-information is used, spread and why. Why?
The info you presented is a form of disinformation and it is a good example of how people become confused about a issue. If the whole truth was told we would not be having this conversation. Since everyone has their own personal feelings or objectives on how a story goes that is how disinformation gets done.
Keep the masses confused so a saviour can come on the scene and provide a solution to the chaos out of order theory. My interpretation in why MJ would reference Jack the Ripper and especially in the context of the Bashir interview and the questioning of MJ about children: MJ used a horrific monster as an example of contrast to himself. He said "Why should I be worried, who's the criminal, who's Jack the Ripper in the room?"
Who is the Monster? My interpretation is he is asking who is more the monster, me or you the public and the media who keeps the image of him as a monster going?
Peace
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Mjintrigue2012 Thanks for the links, very interesting
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I tried to copy the text of this article over, but it didn't work. An interesting presentation entitled: "Mary Magdalene: Our Spritual Mirror."
http://creationspirit.files.wordpress.c ... irror_.pdf (http://creationspirit.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mary-magdalene-our-spiritual-mirror_.pdf)
http://www.grailproductions.com/article ... sciousness (http://www.grailproductions.com/articles/the-year-2012-the-birthing-of-christ-consciousness)
Thanks for the links!
The 1st one gave me another dimension of how to interpretate the human psychology.
The second link has a book called "You’re Not Going Crazy…You’re Just Waking Up!" ...well, I need to read it :lol: :lol: the title sounds like music to my ears :lol:
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Gema wrote: The second link has a book called "You’re Not Going Crazy…You’re Just Waking Up!" ...well, I need to read it the title sounds like music to my ears
(http://www.hispanosnet.com/emoticones-gratis-msn/locos/2027.gif) :lol:
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Gema wrote: The second link has a book called "You’re Not Going Crazy…You’re Just Waking Up!" ...well, I need to read it the title sounds like music to my ears
(http://www.hispanosnet.com/emoticones-gratis-msn/locos/2027.gif) :lol:
Your welcome, everyone! Maybe we can get a bulk discount on that book!
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TheRunningGirl wrote:
The use of the word Hoax with reference to Jack the Ripper does NOT implies that the women were not killed - It simply states that the name of "Jack the Ripper" likely originated from a letter sent by a journalist and that "Jack the Ripper" as such never existed and the prostitutes were killed by different men rather than one serial killer. This suited TPTB who were looking at stopping the influx of Irish immigrants in the area and wanted to create a FEAR factor...
I can understand why you are passionate on the topic, I however do NOT see the NEGATIVES you see in the TMP videos and on a personal level I have always found Dmovie27 extremely pleasant. I do see a lot of Love for women and a belief in the divine feminine and the words used in the video are inherent in the scriptures. There is no attempt to put the blame on women but a definite desire to bring back the divine feminine to create a more balanced and better humanity.
Thank you for your videos on the Green River Killer. Distressing "story". In both cases women were killed, creating great suffering.
Yes I know how it was being used in the sense that it is a myth that a man named Jack the Ripper was created to be a farse and that it may have been possible that there was more than one man responsible for the murders. I also understand that it is possible that TPTB used the murders of those women to suit their needs. To make MONEY. The tourism is a very good example of TPTB using the murders to their benefit. Human Nature is curiousity even if it is morbid.
I highly doubt it was used to create fear to conform. You know why I say this? Look at the way the images are shown in todays media as acceptable? There is more reality shows on today showing women being "whores" to use Dmovie's word as an acceptable way to act. MTV 16 and pregnant, For the LOVE of Ray J, and whoever is hot at the moment, The Bad girls club, etc. This is all considered acceptable behavour by society.
The music videos shown today are showing society how to behave, like drunks, party, have sex, a free for all. You see where I am going?
As for Dmovie and his true intentions, you will see (maybe.) I don't think you or anyone else who has contact with him actually have the same kind of conversations as we did. These were not nice, loving, respectful convos. You will see in his video something different because of his deceitful words he uses outfront. It is now becoming a personal issue more than I wanted it to. I personally don't care what interactions you all have with him anymore, I have said what I can and that is it.TheRunningGirl wrote:
Wikipedia was only used to bring the facts on "Jack the Ripper" not the Hoax story - I know how information are used in the Wiki but beLIEve that for general purpose it is an acceptable source of information.
It is widely reported that the actual letter(s) signed Jack the Ripper were indeed a Hoax and neither you or I have facts pertinent to what happened 105 years to argue whether the letters were a Hoax or not. My point was that the reference to the letters as a "Hoax" has been around for at least 20 years and probably longer!
http://www.jack-the-ripper-tour.com/jack_letters.htm (http://www.jack-the-ripper-tour.com/jack_letters.htm)
Yes I know how dis-information is used, spread and why. Why?
The info you presented is a form of disinformation and it is a good example of how people become confused about a issue. If the whole truth was told we would not be having this conversation. Since everyone has their own personal feelings or objectives on how a story goes that is how disinformation gets done.
Keep the masses confused so a saviour can come on the scene and provide a solution to the chaos out of order theory. My interpretation in why MJ would reference Jack the Ripper and especially in the context of the Bashir interview and the questioning of MJ about children: MJ used a horrific monster as an example of contrast to himself. He said "Why should I be worried, who's the criminal, who's Jack the Ripper in the room?"
Who is the Monster? My interpretation is he is asking who is more the monster, me or you the public and the media who keeps the image of him as a monster going?
Peace
I totally agree that the way the MJ hoax information is presented means that the interpretation is very often dependent upon our own tinted view of the World. DISINFORMATION? Yes it is! and that's why we are not all necessary on the same "bandwagon", much depends on how we balance intuition and logic (Heart versus mind) to draw our own conclusions.
I do like your interpretation of why MJ referenced to Jack the Ripper in the Bashir interview... It is very plausible.
The other way to see it:
He was playing the Joker and knew very well what the media and public would think when the interview was published so he chose to make the connection with a monster (not any monster but a "serial killer" that was never caught and which name may have been a media creation) so that to later demonstrate that the monster never existed and was a pure media/public creation. This may have been the desired outcomes from the 2005 trials... though clearly it did not happen?
Peace.
With L.O.V.E
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personally i found it quite odd that michael referance jack the ripper when talking about a situation involving children.
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personally i found it quite odd that michael referance jack the ripper when talking about a situation involving children.
The more shocking the Monster, the more people will try to think about what Michael meant and find an interpretation for the Truth.
What one wishes is to be touched by truth and to be able to interpret that truth so that one may use what one is feeling and experiencing, be it despair or joy, in a way that will add meaning to one's life and will hopefully touch others as well.
This is art in its highest form. Those moments of enlightenment are what I continue to live for."
You will notice that in the TMP Phase VII part I video there is a photo of the book "Jack the Ripper: The final Solution" by Stephen Kings; Do you know that the theory about Jack the Ripper presented in this book is widely acknowledged as a Hoax?
Reference:Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper:_The_Final_Solution
Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution is a book written by Stephen Knight first published in 1976. It proposed a solution to five murders in Victorian London that were blamed on an unidentified serial killer known as "Jack the Ripper".
In an attempt to solve the mystery, Knight presented an elaborate conspiracy theory involving the British royal family, freemasonry and the painter Walter Sickert. He concluded that the victims were murdered to cover up a secret marriage between the heir to the throne, Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale, and Annie Elizabeth Crook, a working class girl. There are many facts that contradict Knight's theory, and his main source, Joseph Gorman (also known as Joseph Sickert), later retracted the story and admitted to the press that it was a hoax. Most scholars dismiss the theory as a fantasy, and the book's conclusion is now widely discredited.
Nevertheless, the book was popular and commercially successful, going through 20 editions.[1] It was the basis for the film Murder by Decree and the graphic novel From Hell, as well as other dramatisations, and has influenced crime fiction writers, such as Patricia Cornwell and Anne Perry.
The song Monster in the album Michael is interesting because it gives answers to who the monsters really are.
The song overview on the album booklet reads:
...This song shows us a world where everyone wants to be an overnight star without considering what you lose in the process. Privacy, anonymity, and integrity become an illusion in exchange for the next photo or the next story. Michael actually recorded some of his background vocals through a PVC pipe for the song which was fun...
Reference: http://www.metrolyrics.com/monster-lyrics-michael-jackson.html
You can look at them coming out the walls
You can look at them climbing out the bushes
You can find them when the letter's bout to fall
He be waiting with his camera on focus
Everywhere you seem to turn
There's a monster
When you look up in the air there's a monster
Paparazzi got you scared like a monster
(Too bad)
(Ah Ah) Hollywood it's got you jumping like you should
(Too bad)
It's got you bouncing off the wall
It's got you drunk enough to fall
(Too bad)
Oh oh Hollywood just look in the mirror
And tell me you like
Don't you, don't you like it
Monster
He's a monster
He's an animal
Monster (yea-eah)
He's a monster
He's an animal
He's coming at ya
Coming at ya rather too fast
Mama say mama got you in a zig zag
And you're running
And you're running just to escape it
But they are gunning for the money
So they fake it
Everywhere you seem to turn
There's a monster
When you look up in the air there's a monster
When you see them in the street
That's a monster, monster, monster
(Too bad)
(Ah Ah) Hollywood it's got you jumping like you should
It's got you bouncing off the wall
It's got you drunk enough to fall
(Too bad)
Hollywood just look in the mirror
And tell me you like what you see
Monster
(he's like an animal)
He's a monster
(just like an animal)
He's an animal
(and he's moving in the air)
Monster
He's a monster
He's an animal
(everybody wanna be a star)
Why are they never satisfied with and all you give, (yeh, yeh, yeh, yeah)
You gave them your all
They're watching you fall
And they eat your soul like a vegetable
[50 Cent]
Catch me in a bad mood, flippin' you'll take a whippin'
Animal, Hannibal, cannibal addition
Tears appear, yeah, blurring your vision
Fear in the air, screaming, your blood drippin'
Shiver a second, now, now, now, now what is it
Funeral's, cemeteries, don't worry it's time to visit
Broke bones, tombstones, how do you think I'm kidding
Its home, sweet home, the land of the forbidden
All hell, run tell, the King has risen
2010 Thriller, there's nothing iller, it's killer
There vision, the missin' the pack, this is that,
This the bomb, ring the alarm
MJ number 1, it's goes on and on
Its goes on and on
We get to crippin', its running in the early morn'
Keep on dreaming there's nowhere to run
You can drive but you done
I can feel it in the air, hear the monster come.
[Michael Jackson]
Too bad, oh oh Hollywood it's got you jumping like you should
It's got you bouncing off the wall
It's got you drunk enough to fall
(Too bad)
Oh oh Hollywood just making it clearer
And tell me you like
Don't you don't you like it
Monster
(she wanna be a star)
He's a monster
(say you wanna go far)
He's an animal
(Why do you keep stalking me)
Monster
(what you do to me)
He's a monster
(why did you take, why did you fake it)
He's an animal
(yee-aah, why are stalking me)
Monster
(why are you stalking me)
He's a monster
(why are you haunting me)
He's an animal
(why did you do it, why did you, why are you stalking me)
Monster
(why are you haunting me)
He's a monster
(why are you haunting me)
He's an animal
(Why did you, why did you)
He's dragging you down like a monster
He's keeping you down like a monster
He's dragging you down like a monster
He's keeping you down like a monster
With L.O.V.E
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TMP: The Bashir code Phase VII - Part 2
"In this conclusion of The Micheal Project's The Bashir Code, Michael gets the last word as he and Bashir engage in their final round."
[youtube:3n9qf1j0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMa4p_CiFk4[/youtube:3n9qf1j0]
Another excellent video to shake our thinking...
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TMP: The Bashir code - Final Words and End Credits
"Some words and heartfelt thank you's to the subscribers who helped make THIS such an incredible year. Here's to 2011 and beyond. THIS is the moment!"
[youtube:1da737g5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW6IPBW6oek[/youtube:1da737g5]
The closing video of the Bashir code series.
This video provides some interesting inside into the structure and objective of the series:
- The first part of the series: male and aggressive
- The second part Female to end with the divine feminine principle
- To learn to grow as One
The MLK "We will get to the promise land" speech towards the end, is a pleasure to listen to... We will get to the promise land! ;)
And a BIG Thank You to Dmovie27 for his truly inspirational work.
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Thank you SONY by ! NO ! Letting me see video :?
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Thank you SONY by ! NO ! Letting me see video :?
Hi! Paula - Are you Blocked on all videos Paula or only the last one? In Venezuela?
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TheRunningGirl wrote:
paula-c wrote:
Thank you SONY by ! NO ! Letting me see video
Hi! Paula - Are you Blocked on all videos Paula or only the last one? In Venezuela?
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TheRunningGirl, only the last that published
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Wow- this was a lot to ingest and digest.
I have thought for a while that Lisa Marie is an intricate part in all of this. I don't know how long she has been knowingly involved, at first I thought since the private funeral, but then I question that as well.
Michael has always had very strong themes of the corrupted woman vs the sainted woman. It's all in his music- the woman is usually the temptress. Psychologically, I always attributed it to his childhood and his exposure to sexuality vs seeing what went on in strip clubs, seeing women throwing themselves at his brothers, his father using women, etc- while he saw his mother as the very image of sainthood.
The color imagery (red vs blue) was fascinating. I noticed Katherine usually wears that bright blue (innocent, holy woman) as well as pearl (which are a symbol of purity- they also come from water- the pure female). Lisa wore purple in the interview- it is a royal color and it is also the merging of blue and red. We all know the red bracelets Michael wore- recently (actually, at the Harry Potter premiere) Lisa wore a very similar BLUE lace bracelet (which many fans immidiately pointed out as looking so close to what Michael usually wears- and not anything she has been seen with). Also, she is not wearing a wedding ring and "her" Michael (as her husband Michael Lockwood) just basically was emasculated on national TV as his wife sang the praises of MJ,- (her greatest high). It will be interesting to see how this plays out. As a side note: I wonder how Scientolgoy plays in. Was she sent to turn Michael who in turn turned her (so many turns, I know)?
I have to think more about the Jack the Ripper aspect before I can comment in a logical manner.
One thing I do have problems with: I find it so hard to believe that Michael would have set up everything pre-trial. His pain and suffering just seemed too real. But- At this point, I put everthing into question.
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Certainly Jesus must have known his calling from at least the age of 12, when his distraught parents looking for him, found him with the religious scholars of Jerusalem astounding them with his knowledge. Everything he did from the age of 30 on anyone can see was deliberate, planned, followed. He talked many times of doing ONLY what his father's will was, that the timing was not yet, that he would be betrayed by one of his disciples who he knew specifically, and that he would die and why he would die. The only time there is any sense of doubt is when in the garden of Gethsemene he asks God if it is possible for this cup (suffering) to pass, but not his will but God's be done. From many things MJ has said and written those same indications are there. Whether it is actually orchestrating or simply forknowledge of a major plan that God has mapped out I'm not sure. I'm convinced nothing is random coincidence. Why did Dmovie27 put those statements of MLK right before the last quote from MJ? Is he/she saying what I'm thinking he's saying?
Yes, a very big thank you to Dmovie27 for a brilliant set of videos.
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Certainly Jesus must have known his calling from at least the age of 12, when his distraught parents looking for him, found him with the religious scholars of Jerusalem astounding them with his knowledge. Everything he did from the age of 30 on anyone can see was deliberate, planned, followed. He talked many times of doing ONLY what his father's will was, that the timing was not yet, that he would be betrayed by one of his disciples who he knew specifically, and that he would die and why he would die. The only time there is any sense of doubt is when in the garden of Gethsemene he asks God if it is possible for this cup (suffering) to pass, but not his will but God's be done. From many things MJ has said and written those same indications are there. Whether it is actually orchestrating or simply forknowledge of a major plan that God has mapped out I'm not sure. I'm convinced nothing is random coincidence. Why did Dmovie27 put those statements of MLK right before the last quote from MJ? Is he/she saying what I'm thinking he's saying?
Yes, a very big thank you to Dmovie27 for a brilliant set of videos.
MJonmind, there is no doubting Michael's faith in god and the parallels with Jesus Christ are coming out strongly throughout the TMP videos. I see and hear what you see as well! and I interpreted the MLK speech "We will get to the promise land", "I have seen the Glory of the coming of the Lord" ... as a re-enforcement that Michael is the one coming back to carry the light.
Whether God scripted or pure Art I don't know... Michael is a genius and there is no better time than Now (Approaching 2012) to create such an illusion. If illusion it is... it is beautifully done!
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Josephine Baker! I had been wondering for a while where the association between Michael and Josephine Baker came from (other than Josephine Baker being said to have been one of Michael's aliases) and "Blink" something came to mind when watching the TMP video Phase VII part one, the Rainbow Children.
At 5:50, Michael talks about adopting 2 kids from each continent around the World and this juggled my memory of the Rainbow Tribe. Josephine Baker and her fourth husband Jo Bouillon created a family of adopted children from the 4 corners of the earth, they called it the Rainbow Tribe
reference: http://www.travellady.com/Issues/September06/3530JosephineBaker.htm
[center:2q95wp6o]In the Footsteps of Josephine Baker
A Visit to Her Chateau in France, Home of the Rainbow Tribe
By Will Snyder[/center:2q95wp6o]
Ernest Hemingway called her “the most sensational woman anybody ever saw, or ever will.” Non-stop energy, sexual and political, she never accepted defeat, kept reaching out for a better world. The still-inspiring Josephine Baker has been honored in 2006, the centenary of her birth. And fans of hers keep heading to the castle in southwest France where she built the “humanist” legend, to add to the showbiz, Nazi resistance and ball-breaking legends secured elsewhere.
The amazing rags-to-riches story goes like this: born poor and black in race-riot torn East St. Louis, joined a traveling Negro Revue in her teens, rising nightclub star Josephine became the rage of Paris with her risqué banana skirt shimmying. She was a stunning artistic and commercial success, becoming the highest paid woman entertainer in Europe in the late 1920’s. She fell in love with a lot of men, but also with a 300 acre estate with a 15th century castle known as Les Milandes in the Perigord, Southwest France. Josephine was a hero of the French resistance during WWII. Once the war was over, and she had secured her Legion of Honor award from Charles de Gaulle, she bought the castle (and village) and moved in.
She had a dream. She and her fourth husband Jo Bouillon –stymied by Josephine’s two miscarriages- created a family of adopted children from the 4 corners of the earth, and raised them in their hillside French chateau and surrounding grounds. Theirs was a vision called the Rainbow Tribe, and they didn’t stop adopting children until they had 12 youngsters, nearly all from different nations and races. Journalists and tourists were welcome to Milandes to witness a community of love: an unabashed black woman uniting children from the four corners of the earth to live in harmony. Josephine brought many family members from the USA to help out, taking different roles in the operation of the castle and village, creating a model family adoption and entertainment center.
The dream lasted a little over 20 years. By 1968, husband Jo had left for Argentina. Josephine was a terrific entertainer, but a poor money manager. Her American family proved unable to help. Local suppliers took advantage of the situation and lack of controls. Financial ruin was averted on several occasions by donations from friends and benefactors. But the beautiful candle was burning out, and the wheels of justice finally closed the door on the dream when the village and castle were sold at public auction. Josephine was publicly humiliated by the new owners, and a famous photograph shows her locked outside the medieval kitchen in the rain in her bathrobe.
Friends again came to the rescue. Princess Grace gave her a house in Monaco, and she never returned to the Dordogne. Ten years later, she died during a courageous comeback on the stage in Paris. Her legend has continued to grow ever since.
The Milandes Chateau/ museum is open to the public, and is a rare treat, a “must-see” for Americans visiting France. The museum recently unveiled a centenary statue of Josephine by a local French artist. It shows her with several of her adopted children, happy in their Dordogne village- before her financial woes led to a bitter end of the French country dream. As Langston Hughes, who knew Josephine when she first hit the stage said of her, "There was something about her rhythm, her warmth, her smile, and her impudent grace that made her stand out."
Looking at Josephine’s life in any detail makes one realize just how extraordinary nearly every aspect of her character and personality really were. In addition to aiding the French cause during the Nazi occupation of Paris, she used her presence to fight for civil rights in the US, and was honored by the NAACP. She demonstrated alongside Bob Dylan and others in the 1963 March on Washington rally. Ever a friend of the rich and famous, she always kept her heart on the side of the oppressed. She was extravagant but human, show-biz yet compassionate for the less fortunate, before it was the politically correct thing to do.
She was also stubborn to a high degree. At the time of her financial crisis, she was given expert advice by her high-positioned friends, none of which she really listened to. One benefactor who was just getting started on a holiday center business called Club Med offered to pay off all her debts if she would give him a lease to bring a few guests to the village. True to herself, she of course refused.
No doubt that there are many other parallels between Michael and Josephine Baker:
- She died making her come back to the stage ---> Hoax Story: Michael dies Making his come back to the stage
- She supported the French resistance and other fights for Freedom ---> Performance Art/MJ AIR
- She was a terrific entertainer---> Michael is the greatest
and I am sure there is much more.
With L.O.V.E
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Wow- this was a lot to ingest and digest.
I have thought for a while that Lisa Marie is an intricate part in all of this. I don't know how long she has been knowingly involved, at first I thought since the private funeral, but then I question that as well.
Michael has always had very strong themes of the corrupted woman vs the sainted woman. It's all in his music- the woman is usually the temptress. Psychologically, I always attributed it to his childhood and his exposure to sexuality vs seeing what went on in strip clubs, seeing women throwing themselves at his brothers, his father using women, etc- while he saw his mother as the very image of sainthood.
The color imagery (red vs blue) was fascinating. I noticed Katherine usually wears that bright blue (innocent, holy woman) as well as pearl (which are a symbol of purity- they also come from water- the pure female). Lisa wore purple in the interview- it is a royal color and it is also the merging of blue and red. We all know the red bracelets Michael wore- recently (actually, at the Harry Potter premiere) Lisa wore a very similar BLUE lace bracelet (which many fans immidiately pointed out as looking so close to what Michael usually wears- and not anything she has been seen with). Also, she is not wearing a wedding ring and "her" Michael (as her husband Michael Lockwood) just basically was emasculated on national TV as his wife sang the praises of MJ,- (her greatest high). It will be interesting to see how this plays out. As a side note: I wonder how Scientolgoy plays in. Was she sent to turn Michael who in turn turned her (so many turns, I know)?
I have to think more about the Jack the Ripper aspect before I can comment in a logical manner.
One thing I do have problems with: I find it so hard to believe that Michael would have set up everything pre-trial. His pain and suffering just seemed too real. But- At this point, I put everthing into question.
I totally agree that LMP is a part of it and has been from Hoax day 1, how long before that did she get involved and what her current relationship with Michael is, I really do not know. The video below from TMP (From 3:30) is interested as it looks at a previous Oprah interview of Priscilla and Lisa-Marie. Clearly everything is a real tangled web with lies coming from all over the place! I wonder who is hiding what?
[youtube:19mkvq6w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcXln1IDR8g[/youtube:19mkvq6w]
The above TMP video also makes some good parallels between the Oprah interview in 1993 and the Bashir documentary - It also provides an interesting perspective on Oprah --> Can Oprah be trusted?
With L.O.V.E
PS: The "codes" as posted recently by TMP:
THE CODE:
Red, yellow, gold and orange = female
Black, blue, grey = male
white = purity or light
green = earth = female
sun and earth = mother/child
universe and moon = father
water = female
land = male
blue sky = male