Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: MarcianoJezus on January 02, 2011, 08:22:49 PM
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Somebody just sended me this picture..
Is this real? Is this really someone around the time of the trails wearing a MJ mask? Because i just can't believe it tbh.
(http://94.100.121.96/1201200001-1201250000/1201231601-1201231700/1201231602_5_SNHN.jpeg)
Watch the neck.
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my humble opinion is that is Michael. I could be wrong but I think its him.
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I'm thinkin this has to be photoshopped because if somebody is gonna wear this "mask" wouldn't they at least make it long enough to cover their collarbone? Or wear a turtleneck? This is not real.
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It is Michael on the picture. What makes you be doubt that it is real? It is not possible that someone sent you real picture of Michael?
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it's Michael
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it is the real Michael, look on his left cheek, where he use to have the beauty mark, you can see a scar. This is the real Michael. YOu said watch the neck, but i cannot see the neck properly. sorry. Blessings.
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Somebody just sended me this picture..
Is this real? Is this really someone around the time of the trails wearing a MJ mask? Because i just can't believe it tbh.
(http://94.100.121.96/1201200001-1201250000/1201231601-1201231700/1201231602_5_SNHN.jpeg)
Watch the neck.
This was discussed months ago. Look down along the neck where the hairline is - you can see the edge of the mask. If I find the thread I'll post it. Blessings.
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Michael has neck skin... :lol:
He is turning his head to the right... and the skin on his neck is rubbing on his collar.
He is human, you know... he has skin that crinkles when he moves his body.
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Somebody just sended me this picture..
Is this real? Is this really someone around the time of the trails wearing a MJ mask? Because i just can't believe it tbh.
(http://94.100.121.96/1201200001-1201250000/1201231601-1201231700/1201231602_5_SNHN.jpeg)
Watch the neck.
This was discussed months ago. Look down along the neck where the hairline is - you can see the edge of the mask. If I find the thread I'll post it. Blessings.
No that is not a mask. That is a colar of his shirt, or a shadow, since he turned his head. look at his nose he has a dimple, and his left cheek has a scar from his beauty mark. My God we are reaching a point that we cannot recognize Michael? Come on guys.. I know there are so many impersonators and believe me I saw one Last week, and he did look lots like Michael, but it wasn't him. He had no dimple on his nose, no scar on his left cheeks, and definetely his fingers and hands where not Michaels. Just to let you know that this man is Michael.
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I've always believed Michael has worn masks ... he's the master of disguise because he's been doing it since childhood. I'll bet he's been keeping people guessing for decades now, but of course people will believe what they want to believe and what I've stated is only MY opinion, no-one elses ;)
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Those are the shades he wore during the trial. He's wearing a black jacket and a red shirt. There are full body pics of him wearing said clothing widely available on the web. It's Michael.
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(http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz117/Tholstrup83/Michael%20Jackson%20-%202003-2005/Trial28.jpg)
(http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz117/Tholstrup83/Michael%20Jackson%20-%202003-2005/Trial17.jpg)
THIS Michael is fake!
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac87/JuliasAngel/Michael%20Jackson%20King%20of%20Fashion/michael-jackson-trial-12.jpg)
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I've never said i didn't believe this was MJ. I was shocked because it looked like a mask. I've always believed that MJ looked really good during the trails tbh. He didn't look so thin as he did some years after that. But you got to admit, it does look kinda weird when you see that for the first time on that picture xd.
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(http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz117/Tholstrup83/Michael%20Jackson%20-%202003-2005/Trial28.jpg)
(http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz117/Tholstrup83/Michael%20Jackson%20-%202003-2005/Trial17.jpg)
THIS Michael is fake!
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac87/JuliasAngel/Michael%20Jackson%20King%20of%20Fashion/michael-jackson-trial-12.jpg)
I agree that it's just skin. I have never understood where people saw a mask. I think I see what is meant now, but that's indeed his shirt. I also think that he has created an illusion that is called Michael Jackson the last 20 years. Wearing heavy make-up that made his nose look way more narrow than it really was, to appear later with the nose as we have seen in the BAD era. I said before that I don't think he changed as much as he made us believe. At some of the pictures of the last decade where he doesn't wear that heavy make-up, you can see he still looks like himself, while some pictures make you go 'who the f*ck is that?'.
I am curious though why you think that it's not him on the bottom picture in the white suit?
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love the white suite :lol:
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Somebody just sended me this picture..
Is this real? Is this really someone around the time of the trails wearing a MJ mask? Because i just can't believe it tbh.
(http://94.100.121.96/1201200001-1201250000/1201231601-1201231700/1201231602_5_SNHN.jpeg)
Watch the neck.
It IS MICHAEL without any mask
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My Dear Michael, I hope you don't read this... :(
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If I wear a tight collar and turn my head, I bet it looks like a mask as well...
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It is Michael in all pictures. I too am curious as to why there is doubt that it is not Michael in the white suit.
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and by the way, he looks gorgeous in all the photos.
It has become highly disrespectful the whole thing about double obsession. I am so sure that everything about any "double" has totally another meaning and not to REPLACE Michael or impersonate him.
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Oh he is so gorgeous with the white suit. That IS Michael totally scrumptious as always. Thank you for posting the photo. I'm grabbing this one for my collection. :)
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ohhh yes ! it's Him ... :) <3
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and by the way, he looks gorgeous in all the photos.
It has become highly disrespectful the whole thing about double obsession. I am so sure that everything about any "double" has totally another meaning and not to REPLACE Michael or impersonate him.
Although I think it is Mike on the pics above as well, I do disagree with your statement. This is it is not all Michael. Different heights, different bodies, different heads etc. But you actually don't even have to look at his face, body or height, because you can tell by his moves and body language if it is him or not. Simply compare it to the Dangerous tour rehearsals. Even though it is just a rehearsal and he isn't by far giving 100%, all his movements are sharp and his typical movements. Saying he couldn't do that due to his age (and I will say again that 50 is far from old) is utter BS in my opinion. Mike danced his whole life and his movements are routine. He has a very unique way of using his body and you don't loose that. I am sure you will still recognize his signature movements. Some of the MJ's in TII simply do not have his typical movements. It also is contradicting since we see him move perfectly fine on Thriller (just to name one). And if it were all him, why would we not HEAR him sing? Why are there no cuts in the audio, but lots of cuts in the video? Why not show the rehearsal as it was? Maybe because some of them simply can't sing?
Besides that, we KNOW he used doubles throughout his carreer. Whether for safety reasons or distraction, but he did use them. There is nothing wrong with that.
Even though I think there is no use in discussing the doubles anymore, because we simply will not know until we hear it from the horse's mouth, I disagree that it is disrespectful to discuss it. I find it more disrespectful to call him old and incapable of dancing.
Not directed at you but in general: what I think is funny is that no one wants to believe TII is full of doubles ("it's all Michael") when IMO that is as obious as it can be, while everyone jumps on the bandwagon about the Cascio tracks on the new album are fake, while in my opinion THAT is all Michael. I think he had expected that his fans would have noticed the doubles in TII, and when they didn't, he created the controversy surrounding the album to see if they would buy it. In my opinion a lot of the fans do not even recognize their idol, but maybe I have the wrong Michael Jackson in mind...
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Souza, I understand your point but my opinion, as strong as yours, is that it is Michael 100% in This Is It and that those specific "doubles" were used for another purpose and that is not to replace Michael or impersonate him to deceive people. For me, it's totally another thing behind all this stuff with the "doubles"
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and by the way, he looks gorgeous in all the photos.
It has become highly disrespectful the whole thing about double obsession. I am so sure that everything about any "double" has totally another meaning and not to REPLACE Michael or impersonate him.
Although I think it is Mike on the pics above as well, I do disagree with your statement. This is it is not all Michael. Different heights, different bodies, different heads etc. But you actually don't even have to look at his face, body or height, because you can tell by his moves and body language if it is him or not. Simply compare it to the Dangerous tour rehearsals. Even though it is just a rehearsal and he isn't by far giving 100%, all his movements are sharp and his typical movements. Saying he couldn't do that due to his age (and I will say again that 50 is far from old) is utter BS in my opinion. Mike danced his whole life and his movements are routine. He has a very unique way of using his body and you don't loose that. I am sure you will still recognize his signature movements. Some of the MJ's in TII simply do not have his typical movements. It also is contradicting since we see him move perfectly fine on Thriller (just to name one). And if it were all him, why would we not HEAR him sing? Why are there no cuts in the audio, but lots of cuts in the video? Why not show the rehearsal as it was? Maybe because some of them simply can't sing?
Besides that, we KNOW he used doubles throughout his carreer. Whether for safety reasons or distraction, but he did use them. There is nothing wrong with that.
Even though I think there is no use in discussing the doubles anymore, because we simply will not know until we hear it from the horse's mouth, I disagree that it is disrespectful to discuss it. I find it more disrespectful to call him old and incapable of dancing.
Not directed at you but in general: what I think is funny is that no one wants to believe TII is full of doubles ("it's all Michael") when IMO that is as obious as it can be, while everyone jumps on the bandwagon about the Cascio tracks on the new album are fake, while in my opinion THAT is all Michael. I think he had expected that his fans would have noticed the doubles in TII, and when they didn't, he created the controversy surrounding the album to see if they would buy it. In my opinion a lot of the fans do not even recognize their idol, but maybe I have the wrong Michael Jackson in mind...
I agree with you! Thanks Souza. :)
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Souza, I understand your point but my opinion, as strong as yours, is that it is Michael 100% in This Is It and that those specific "doubles" were used for another purpose and that is not to replace Michael or impersonate him to deceive people. For me, it's totally another thing behind all this stuff with the "doubles"
What puzzles me is how you can think it is all Mike in TII. How do you explain the differences in height, bodies, faces and most of all: the movements that are off. It's a genuine question because I really do not understand.I see at least 3 different persons. Mike himself (or else a hell of a double), a short one that is very feminine and small with small shoulders, and a tall one. One moves like MJ and is IMO MJ himself or the best double ever, one is tall and dances great, and one is short and well uhmm...dances not that well. Billie Jean was not Billie Jean at all. I don't think he would change his moves like that. To improve it: yes. But this? No way. The orange pants in The Way You Make Me Feel? No way. I am sure he is very talented and can do a lot, but he can't change his body structure back and forth like that. Even if he would have lost 10 or 20 pounds in a few days, there is no way the width of his shoulders would change that much, simply because you bones don't schrink when you loose weight.
And how do you explain this? No matter how hard I try, I really don't see the same person in these pics.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii2.jpg)
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I have to agree - I wish I didn't but I do.
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Michael has neck skin... :lol:
He is turning his head to the right... and the skin on his neck is rubbing on his collar.
He is human, you know... he has skin that crinkles when he moves his body.
Michael has neck skin... >>>just like the most people...nothing special about that.
That's not a mask! :lol:
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And Souza, I have to agree with you.
These 2 persons don't look the same. I thought...maybe is it just the facial expressions..but still then, doesn't look the same. And when I watch TII I really think it's all Mike! :lol: Haha...so confusing. My head is spinning!
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and by the way, he looks gorgeous in all the photos.
It has become highly disrespectful the whole thing about double obsession. I am so sure that everything about any "double" has totally another meaning and not to REPLACE Michael or impersonate him.
Although I think it is Mike on the pics above as well, I do disagree with your statement. This is it is not all Michael. Different heights, different bodies, different heads etc. But you actually don't even have to look at his face, body or height, because you can tell by his moves and body language if it is him or not. Simply compare it to the Dangerous tour rehearsals. Even though it is just a rehearsal and he isn't by far giving 100%, all his movements are sharp and his typical movements. Saying he couldn't do that due to his age (and I will say again that 50 is far from old) is utter BS in my opinion. Mike danced his whole life and his movements are routine. He has a very unique way of using his body and you don't loose that. I am sure you will still recognize his signature movements. Some of the MJ's in TII simply do not have his typical movements. It also is contradicting since we see him move perfectly fine on Thriller (just to name one). And if it were all him, why would we not HEAR him sing? Why are there no cuts in the audio, but lots of cuts in the video? Why not show the rehearsal as it was? Maybe because some of them simply can't sing?
Besides that, we KNOW he used doubles throughout his carreer. Whether for safety reasons or distraction, but he did use them. There is nothing wrong with that.
Even though I think there is no use in discussing the doubles anymore, because we simply will not know until we hear it from the horse's mouth, I disagree that it is disrespectful to discuss it. I find it more disrespectful to call him old and incapable of dancing.
Not directed at you but in general: what I think is funny is that no one wants to believe TII is full of doubles ("it's all Michael") when IMO that is as obious as it can be, while everyone jumps on the bandwagon about the Cascio tracks on the new album are fake, while in my opinion THAT is all Michael. I think he had expected that his fans would have noticed the doubles in TII, and when they didn't, he created the controversy surrounding the album to see if they would buy it. In my opinion a lot of the fans do not even recognize their idol, but maybe I have the wrong Michael Jackson in mind...
Souza has made some very distinct and accurate claims which I am inclined to believe in. Not only did Michael have body doubles in this is is it, but it was a proven fact that before hand, Michael set out to get body doubles even before June 25th surfaced!
Michael only showed up twice to the rehearsals in actuality, and since he knew his own moves and dances, the body doubles were there to get a feel of Michael being on stage while he was sitting in audience watching, perhaps. I can't remember exactly where I read it, but they confirmed that there were body doubles or at least hinted at the possibility that there could be some well before his "death" occurred. Therefore, I think we can safely conclude that this was certainly not Michael and I can hardly even begin to imagine that it could be him in every scene. I can't even remember the last time michael chose to perform with his aviator sunglasses! (never!) Common sense would suggest that if you are michael jackson, you wouldn't need to use your glasses simply because you have nothing to hide. I'm sorry, but I'm with Souza on this, and I think her point is extremely valid and substantiated. one with common sense can easily make out Michael.
on a separate note, and I sincerely apologize if this may sound as if it is a rather sexist comment, but as an individual on this message board who happens to be male, I think it is easier to evaluate the death hoax simply because I am not enamored by michael and am not constantly glorifying his good looks and charm. I think we need more males figures to allow us to think straight. Because right now, I think many of us could be in denial about what we see and believe, and males, although arrogant and self-centered, can honestly give you an accurate and honest assertion on the matter.
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love the white suite :lol:
I know. He looks so real and attractive! :oops:
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Souza, I understand your point but my opinion, as strong as yours, is that it is Michael 100% in This Is It and that those specific "doubles" were used for another purpose and that is not to replace Michael or impersonate him to deceive people. For me, it's totally another thing behind all this stuff with the "doubles"
What puzzles me is how you can think it is all Mike in TII. How do you explain the differences in height, bodies, faces and most of all: the movements that are off. It's a genuine question because I really do not understand.I see at least 3 different persons. Mike himself (or else a hell of a double), a short one that is very feminine and small with small shoulders, and a tall one. One moves like MJ and is IMO MJ himself or the best double ever, one is tall and dances great, and one is short and well uhmm...dances not that well. Billie Jean was not Billie Jean at all. I don't think he would change his moves like that. To improve it: yes. But this? No way. The orange pants in The Way You Make Me Feel? No way. I am sure he is very talented and can do a lot, but he can't change his body structure back and forth like that. Even if he would have lost 10 or 20 pounds in a few days, there is no way the width of his shoulders would change that much, simply because you bones don't schrink when you loose weight.
And how do you explain this? No matter how hard I try, I really don't see the same person in these pics.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii2.jpg)
Michael gave an interview once where he mentioned something about wanting to change up Billie Jean. He said the fans expected, almost demanded that he do the moonwalk at the particular point where he originally did it, so he kept it that way. I would be inclined to believe he would change the Billie Jean routine.
(If I can locate that interview I will for reference).
Also, the second row of pics show a man in two distinctly different positions. In one position, he is standing erect. In the other, he is in a semi squat dance position (classical Michael moves, IMO) thus making him appear shorter than what he is.
As for his moves, Michael was always evolving in his dance. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do things differently, even a little strangely as the newer moves were just that; new and less practiced. Also, consider that he was suffering from back and feet pain (well documented throughout the years) and that may have hindered his movements. He was, after all, 50 years old, too, and he'd not seen a stage (formally) in many, many years. He's definitely not going to move like the Michael of old.
I am just inclined to believe TII was all Michael.
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Seriously people...
Re: Michael in the white suit.
That was one of the most serious days of his life (beginning of the trial). Do you honestly believe a double would've appeared in court? Look at the interaction between him and the family on that day. It was an interaction of genuine love and unity. No double could 'imitate' that.
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love the white suite :lol:
I know. He looks so real and attractive! :oops:
That pic of him in that white suit just does things to me, lol!!
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and by the way, he looks gorgeous in all the photos.
It has become highly disrespectful the whole thing about double obsession. I am so sure that everything about any "double" has totally another meaning and not to REPLACE Michael or impersonate him.
Although I think it is Mike on the pics above as well, I do disagree with your statement. This is it is not all Michael. Different heights, different bodies, different heads etc. But you actually don't even have to look at his face, body or height, because you can tell by his moves and body language if it is him or not. Simply compare it to the Dangerous tour rehearsals. Even though it is just a rehearsal and he isn't by far giving 100%, all his movements are sharp and his typical movements. Saying he couldn't do that due to his age (and I will say again that 50 is far from old) is utter BS in my opinion. Mike danced his whole life and his movements are routine. He has a very unique way of using his body and you don't loose that. I am sure you will still recognize his signature movements. Some of the MJ's in TII simply do not have his typical movements. It also is contradicting since we see him move perfectly fine on Thriller (just to name one). And if it were all him, why would we not HEAR him sing? Why are there no cuts in the audio, but lots of cuts in the video? Why not show the rehearsal as it was? Maybe because some of them simply can't sing?
Besides that, we KNOW he used doubles throughout his carreer. Whether for safety reasons or distraction, but he did use them. There is nothing wrong with that.
Even though I think there is no use in discussing the doubles anymore, because we simply will not know until we hear it from the horse's mouth, I disagree that it is disrespectful to discuss it. I find it more disrespectful to call him old and incapable of dancing.
Not directed at you but in general: what I think is funny is that no one wants to believe TII is full of doubles ("it's all Michael") when IMO that is as obious as it can be, while everyone jumps on the bandwagon about the Cascio tracks on the new album are fake, while in my opinion THAT is all Michael. I think he had expected that his fans would have noticed the doubles in TII, and when they didn't, he created the controversy surrounding the album to see if they would buy it. In my opinion a lot of the fans do not even recognize their idol, but maybe I have the wrong Michael Jackson in mind...
Souza you are absolutely right. 50 is not old. I am 50 yrs old and I do what a 20 yr old can do. I feel it is rediculous that we cannot recognize Mj, You can see it is him. If any one has doubts you can look at the hands and fingernails that you will know it is Michael. And as you stated that michael has a unique way of moving walking and dancing. I honestly hope he does not read this post, because I feel like crying when I hear this about an idol that we know over 40 yrs. Blessings
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Souza, I understand your point but my opinion, as strong as yours, is that it is Michael 100% in This Is It and that those specific "doubles" were used for another purpose and that is not to replace Michael or impersonate him to deceive people. For me, it's totally another thing behind all this stuff with the "doubles"
What puzzles me is how you can think it is all Mike in TII. How do you explain the differences in height, bodies, faces and most of all: the movements that are off. It's a genuine question because I really do not understand.I see at least 3 different persons. Mike himself (or else a hell of a double), a short one that is very feminine and small with small shoulders, and a tall one. One moves like MJ and is IMO MJ himself or the best double ever, one is tall and dances great, and one is short and well uhmm...dances not that well. Billie Jean was not Billie Jean at all. I don't think he would change his moves like that. To improve it: yes. But this? No way. The orange pants in The Way You Make Me Feel? No way. I am sure he is very talented and can do a lot, but he can't change his body structure back and forth like that. Even if he would have lost 10 or 20 pounds in a few days, there is no way the width of his shoulders would change that much, simply because you bones don't schrink when you loose weight.
And how do you explain this? No matter how hard I try, I really don't see the same person in these pics.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii2.jpg)
Michael gave an interview once where he mentioned something about wanting to change up Billie Jean. He said the fans expected, almost demanded that he do the moonwalk at the particular point where he originally did it, so he kept it that way. I would be inclined to believe he would change the Billie Jean routine.
(If I can locate that interview I will for reference).
Also, the second row of pics show a man in two distinctly different positions. In one position, he is standing erect. In the other, he is in a semi squat dance position (classical Michael moves, IMO) thus making him appear shorter than what he is.
As for his moves, Michael was always evolving in his dance. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do things differently, even a little strangely as the newer moves were just that; new and less practiced. Also, consider that he was suffering from back and feet pain (well documented throughout the years) and that may have hindered his movements. He was, after all, 50 years old, too, and he'd not seen a stage (formally) in many, many years. He's definitely not going to move like the Michael of old.
I am just inclined to believe TII was all Michael.
I disagree on every point you make. As I said, IF he would change his Billie Jean choreography, he would improve it, not do something like this. It's not MJ, it's not fresh and new, it's not innovating, so my conclusion is: not MJ.
I am not talking about the length of the legs, but the shape. Straight thighs againdt round ones. The faces simply are not the same either. Ears, eyes, shape of head and mouth all differ. Angles do can make you look a little different, but not like this.
As for the back and feet pains... Why don't we see him struggle with some other dances? Why does that look smooth?
And please, 50 is not old. I have friends and colleagues that age and some are fitter than I am. Michael is a born dancer and not being on stage does not mean not dancing. Not competing with my horse does not mean I don't ride. We also have the rehearsal with Travis, were he is sharp as a razor. I have a slow internet connection, so I can't check the YouTube now, but maybe someone else can post it.
I do believe Michael would come up with new moves, but I am sure they would be new and great. This definitely wasn't. And those shades are ridiculous. You can see it even bothers him because he keeps touching them. Why would Michael Jackson need shades on a rehearsal? Where has he ever worn shades on stage, besides some intros?
Michael being 50 doesn't mean old and cripple. Why do so many people rather believe he was old and unable to move his body, instead of him being in control. And I think he still got his moves, why wouldn't he?
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
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"Left" Michael is different than "right" Michael.
The weight is not only the difference, also the bone structure of the skull.
To me, "right" Michael is our Michael.
Also, Michael has a tendency to have his feet a little open. Left Michael is standing straight.
Those two are not the same or the pics are being manipulated to show a different Michael.
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It is not possible that people still have doubts about the use of doubles in TII.
In times when it is really Michael, he appears beautiful, charming and moving quite well.
For me, it was not him at times like Billie Jean and Man in the mirror, ie it was not Michael who finished the movie and this really worries me.
In IJCSLY and Human Nature, nobody will convince me it was Michael. If someone could compare these pictures with others in moments like: Stop! The love save, Thriller, Black or White and Earth Song ... would be a clearer differences.
I agree with Souza, there are more than double in TII!
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Well, Souza... it would be huge to write down why I say it is all Michael in TII. I'll try to make a long story short. Look at the details: hands- especially fingers. Go look up a HQ photo of Michael from 2007, 2008, whatever you want, and compare every single inch, every detail. He doesn't have usual hands, his hands can be very easy spotted because they are different. Different- in the meaning that he bends his phalanx in a different way than the majority of people do. Second, the height, as you say, in your opinion is different. As a photo editor, working in this field since 10 years, I tell you that my trained eye says that all you see it's optical illusion (maybe really made on purpose), because of the different clothing and different filming angles. Also when he wears the orange pants, he has a long T-shirt over his trousers, while for instance in TDCAU he has his shirt in his trousers - trick often used for those who are short because this way they look taller- also another trick is high waist on trousers. Michael, because he is already tall enough, the shirt wore in the trousers make him look even taller. Also, dark colors make you look taller. You just showed me two photos: one when he stands straight and the other while he has his knees bend - don't you see the optical illusion?
You say that he changed the choreography at BJ. Wouldn't he do that, why? Why you think he wouldn't change the choreography? In my opinion TII is a huge controversy and made up to provoke controversy- therefore he could very well change the choreography the way he wants. Again, go on the Blu-ray DVD and take a look closer at his fingers. You say that he moved differently. Does this prove it is not Michael? TII is made on purpose and I think we all realize it so far, why wouldn’t he put a different stamp on it? Why wouldn’t he change, why wouldn’t he behave differently if the whole thing is mind-blowing at every stage? Why wouldn’t he, if TII is the biggest controversy, the thing that raised the biggest confusion: is him isn’t him, he moves like him but he doesn’t at the same time, he looks like him but he doesn’t. Why to jump on the easiest conclusion: double. Why not dig it deeper and see what lies behind all this?
Third, show me exactly where you think he used "doubles" through his career. I've heard thousands of theories made up though time : that he used a double during the whole dangerous tour, that he died in the Pepsi accident and they provided us a double since then, that he sent a double to the trial in 2005, and many others, one more unbelievable than the other. Why? Based on what? I know Michael since I was 5, it’s been a lifetime and I can’t be blinded when my eyes and reason tell me other things. I can’t fool myself and I won’t. He used doubles? Yes, in the Pepsi advertisements, when he had to jump on the top of the buildings – those are double stunts, for dangerous things, yes, he used a double in the filming of smooth criminal in TII – stairs scene and jumping though window.
I thought this problem since very, very long time ago and what I managed to take out of this is that “doubles” would have been probably used as entertainers of the public. Doubles would have been used as they were at Super Bowl 1993, something of this kind- but everyone would know it. Doubles used but not to replace Michael or deceive people to make them think it is Michael when it actually isn’t.
I’m not trying to convince anybody, I just say all this because you asked me to.
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Tarja, you completely ignored the most obvious points I made, which makes me think this is a useless discussion. You do not KNOW MJ since you were 5, you know who he is. Something completely different.
You can come up with tricks and lighting and angles, but it's not convincing at all. The pics I posted are from 2 completely different persons. If you think they are both Michael, then fine by me, but in that case I will stop the discussion. I have stated my opinion about this numerous time and no one ever made valid points as to how he could transform that much in a few days/weeks. And that's only logic, since it is impossible.
And yes, Michael used doubles. Also during the trial where he went in through the back, while a double was distrating the audience in the front. Can you just try to imagine his position back then? Even though most people were there to support him, I am sure je didn't always feel like walking past the crowds. He has been through hell and back.
And there are more examples, b ut if you are interested in them, please do a searchj on the forum, because I am not going to discuss it further. To me it's obvious, you apparently see the same MJ throughout TII. I will never understand that, and maybe you will never see what I see, so let's agree to disagree, because I have had this discussion way to many times and it's really not important enough for me to sweat over it.
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I think this is something that Michael like. He always want his fan to question everything and do not believe everything at face value. I think now we are opening our eyes more to the world itself. To not believe everything that is handled to us. I am also very cautious when there are many statements are there saying what will do and what he won't do. We as fans cannot know for sure what he would or would not do. I think that we should take it with a grain of salt. Remember what was it that made us feel a certain way about a certain situation that involved Michael . We all have to remember that he is the MASTER OF DISGUISE. I think that the only thing that we could do is give our honest opinion on things. I notice in many of those pictures that he wore a lot of medals. Is there any way we can find what the medals are and if you take a look at him in the white suite you will see that on the right sleeve on the biscep area crest. Is it also possible to find out what type that crest is.
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Well, Souza... it would be huge to write down why I say it is all Michael in TII. I'll try to make a long story short. Look at the details: hands- especially fingers. Go look up a HQ photo of Michael from 2007, 2008, whatever you want, and compare every single inch, every detail. He doesn't have usual hands, his hands can be very easy spotted because they are different. Different- in the meaning that he bends his phalanx in a different way than the majority of people do. Second, the height, as you say, in your opinion is different. As a photo editor, working in this field since 10 years, I tell you that my trained eye says that all you see it's optical illusion (maybe really made on purpose), because of the different clothing and different filming angles. Also when he wears the orange pants, he has a long T-shirt over his trousers, while for instance in TDCAU he has his shirt in his trousers - trick often used for those who are short because this way they look taller- also another trick is high waist on trousers. Michael, because he is already tall enough, the shirt wore in the trousers make him look even taller. Also, dark colors make you look taller. You just showed me two photos: one when he stands straight and the other while he has his knees bend - don't you see the optical illusion?
You say that he changed the choreography at BJ. Wouldn't he do that, why? Why you think he wouldn't change the choreography? In my opinion TII is a huge controversy and made up to provoke controversy- therefore he could very well change the choreography the way he wants. Again, go on the Blu-ray DVD and take a look closer at his fingers. You say that he moved differently. Does this prove it is not Michael? TII is made on purpose and I think we all realize it so far, why wouldn’t he put a different stamp on it? Why wouldn’t he change, why wouldn’t he behave differently if the whole thing is mind-blowing at every stage? Why wouldn’t he, if TII is the biggest controversy, the thing that raised the biggest confusion: is him isn’t him, he moves like him but he doesn’t at the same time, he looks like him but he doesn’t. Why to jump on the easiest conclusion: double. Why not dig it deeper and see what lies behind all this?
Third, show me exactly where you think he used "doubles" through his career. I've heard thousands of theories made up though time : that he used a double during the whole dangerous tour, that he died in the Pepsi accident and they provided us a double since then, that he sent a double to the trial in 2005, and many others, one more unbelievable than the other. Why? Based on what? I know Michael since I was 5, it’s been a lifetime and I can’t be blinded when my eyes and reason tell me other things. I can’t fool myself and I won’t. He used doubles? Yes, in the Pepsi advertisements, when he had to jump on the top of the buildings – those are double stunts, for dangerous things, yes, he used a double in the filming of smooth criminal in TII – stairs scene and jumping though window.
I thought this problem since very, very long time ago and what I managed to take out of this is that “doubles” would have been probably used as entertainers of the public. Doubles would have been used as they were at Super Bowl 1993, something of this kind- but everyone would know it. Doubles used but not to replace Michael or deceive people to make them think it is Michael when it actually isn’t.
I’m not trying to convince anybody, I just say all this because you asked me to.
That's one of the most rational presentations I've seen on this forum.
Excellently said.
Honestly, there weren't that many drastic changes in Michael during the filing of TII. In all actuality, it is highly illogical to suggest there were. The changes that are visible can be (rationally) explained, and you've done that well.
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(http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz117/Tholstrup83/Michael%20Jackson%20-%202003-2005/Trial28.jpg)
(http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz117/Tholstrup83/Michael%20Jackson%20-%202003-2005/Trial17.jpg)
THIS Michael is fake!
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac87/JuliasAngel/Michael%20Jackson%20King%20of%20Fashion/michael-jackson-trial-12.jpg)
I agree that it's just skin. I have never understood where people saw a mask. I think I see what is meant now, but that's indeed his shirt. I also think that he has created an illusion that is called Michael Jackson the last 20 years. Wearing heavy make-up that made his nose look way more narrow than it really was, to appear later with the nose as we have seen in the BAD era. I said before that I don't think he changed as much as he made us believe. At some of the pictures of the last decade where he doesn't wear that heavy make-up, you can see he still looks like himself, while some pictures make you go 'who the f*ck is that?'.
I am curious though why you think that it's not him on the bottom picture in the white suit?
I so much agree with Souza about this...just look at the close-up photos of his face...the nose looks so normal !:it's those lines of makeup (like look-a-like's do)that make the illusion of "pointed" nose. I really believe him when he said he had 2 or 3 surgeries on the face.
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Are some here really suggesting this isn't Michael Jackson? Same white suit, same day...Different lighting, facial expressions, 'poses', etc., but it is most definitely Michael...
(http://www.michaeljackson.com/sites/mjackson/files/imagecache/preview/photos/michael-jackson-white-suit%5B1%5D.jpg)
(http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040817/040817_michaelJackson_vmed_10a.widec.jpg)
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqAdsxACUXQ1rzh0Yoo0otlgbURq_XnVrLC_t_PZAhMk-Beg38DQ)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsa_YvSK1peVPKXyjh6T-iuMvB54FiMdsxyxcSS9eGEciOZCYN-A)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRti7hkCxqZtoGKscaXwlKE6TJsgMfKj4OXeQwpiwJUOUH9ohyZ)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHpbZ8YXEydOSvlgssM60ZaVUoxD9OqU-_LSk2zJq-4aKU2lSX_Q)
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Are some here really suggesting this isn't Michael Jackson? Same white suit, same day...Different lighting, facial expressions, 'poses', etc., but it is most definitely Michael...
(http://www.michaeljackson.com/sites/mjackson/files/imagecache/preview/photos/michael-jackson-white-suit%5B1%5D.jpg)
(http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040817/040817_michaelJackson_vmed_10a.widec.jpg)
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqAdsxACUXQ1rzh0Yoo0otlgbURq_XnVrLC_t_PZAhMk-Beg38DQ)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsa_YvSK1peVPKXyjh6T-iuMvB54FiMdsxyxcSS9eGEciOZCYN-A)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRti7hkCxqZtoGKscaXwlKE6TJsgMfKj4OXeQwpiwJUOUH9ohyZ)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHpbZ8YXEydOSvlgssM60ZaVUoxD9OqU-_LSk2zJq-4aKU2lSX_Q)
Just one person suggested that, please scroll up.
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Souza, I understand your point but my opinion, as strong as yours, is that it is Michael 100% in This Is It and that those specific "doubles" were used for another purpose and that is not to replace Michael or impersonate him to deceive people. For me, it's totally another thing behind all this stuff with the "doubles"
What puzzles me is how you can think it is all Mike in TII. How do you explain the differences in height, bodies, faces and most of all: the movements that are off. It's a genuine question because I really do not understand.I see at least 3 different persons. Mike himself (or else a hell of a double), a short one that is very feminine and small with small shoulders, and a tall one. One moves like MJ and is IMO MJ himself or the best double ever, one is tall and dances great, and one is short and well uhmm...dances not that well. Billie Jean was not Billie Jean at all. I don't think he would change his moves like that. To improve it: yes. But this? No way. The orange pants in The Way You Make Me Feel? No way. I am sure he is very talented and can do a lot, but he can't change his body structure back and forth like that. Even if he would have lost 10 or 20 pounds in a few days, there is no way the width of his shoulders would change that much, simply because you bones don't schrink when you loose weight.
And how do you explain this? No matter how hard I try, I really don't see the same person in these pics.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii2.jpg)
Michael gave an interview once where he mentioned something about wanting to change up Billie Jean. He said the fans expected, almost demanded that he do the moonwalk at the particular point where he originally did it, so he kept it that way. I would be inclined to believe he would change the Billie Jean routine.
(If I can locate that interview I will for reference).
Also, the second row of pics show a man in two distinctly different positions. In one position, he is standing erect. In the other, he is in a semi squat dance position (classical Michael moves, IMO) thus making him appear shorter than what he is.
As for his moves, Michael was always evolving in his dance. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do things differently, even a little strangely as the newer moves were just that; new and less practiced. Also, consider that he was suffering from back and feet pain (well documented throughout the years) and that may have hindered his movements. He was, after all, 50 years old, too, and he'd not seen a stage (formally) in many, many years. He's definitely not going to move like the Michael of old.
I am just inclined to believe TII was all Michael.
I disagree on every point you make. As I said, IF he would change his Billie Jean choreography, he would improve it, not do something like this. It's not MJ, it's not fresh and new, it's not innovating, so my conclusion is: not MJ.
Well, I'll agree to disagree with you. Just because it's not fresh or invigorating to you, doesn't mean it's not Michael Jackson.
I am not talking about the length of the legs, but the shape. Straight thighs againdt round ones. The faces simply are not the same either. Ears, eyes, shape of head and mouth all differ. Angles do can make you look a little different, but not like this.
Like someone has famously said before...location, location, location...as well as lighting, clothing, etc. It's not rocket science at all.
As for the back and feet pains... Why don't we see him struggle with some other dances? Why does that look smooth?
Souza, I know you're not daft. Just as some with arthritis often do, it's possible he felt better at some points than he did at others. He's a human being for Christ's sake, and as such, he's prone to ills and ailments men his age often experience as a natural course of aging.
And please, 50 is not old. I have friends and colleagues that age and some are fitter than I am. Michael is a born dancer and not being on stage does not mean not dancing. Not competing with my horse does not mean I don't ride. We also have the rehearsal with Travis, were he is sharp as a razor. I have a slow internet connection, so I can't check the YouTube now, but maybe someone else can post it.
I've posted that very video here on this forum, so I am familiar with its contents. Michael is a born man who happened to be a talented dancer. Just like any other talent, one must practice and work with it to perfect it. Do you know that he did so daily in his latter years? It has been my professional experience that rehearsals are sometimes as equally demanding as a show itself. If he was not conditioning himself rigorously, daily, then it is perfectly understandable that he'd be a little 'off' in some segments. That's the point of rehearsing; to get it right.
I do believe Michael would come up with new moves, but I am sure they would be new and great. This definitely wasn't. And those shades are ridiculous. You can see it even bothers him because he keeps touching them. Why would Michael Jackson need shades on a rehearsal? Where has he ever worn shades on stage, besides some intros?
Again, practice makes perfect, and what you're seeing in TII is just that; practice...
Michael being 50 doesn't mean old and cripple. Why do so many people rather believe he was old and unable to move his body, instead of him being in control. And I think he still got his moves, why wouldn't he?
No one said he lost it, least of all me. I believe he was in great shape, but I can also understand his need to polish his act, so to speak, after years of not performing.
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God I love this man! He looks like an angel in that white suit. ;)
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Souza, I understand your point but my opinion, as strong as yours, is that it is Michael 100% in This Is It and that those specific "doubles" were used for another purpose and that is not to replace Michael or impersonate him to deceive people. For me, it's totally another thing behind all this stuff with the "doubles"
What puzzles me is how you can think it is all Mike in TII. How do you explain the differences in height, bodies, faces and most of all: the movements that are off. It's a genuine question because I really do not understand.I see at least 3 different persons. Mike himself (or else a hell of a double), a short one that is very feminine and small with small shoulders, and a tall one. One moves like MJ and is IMO MJ himself or the best double ever, one is tall and dances great, and one is short and well uhmm...dances not that well. Billie Jean was not Billie Jean at all. I don't think he would change his moves like that. To improve it: yes. But this? No way. The orange pants in The Way You Make Me Feel? No way. I am sure he is very talented and can do a lot, but he can't change his body structure back and forth like that. Even if he would have lost 10 or 20 pounds in a few days, there is no way the width of his shoulders would change that much, simply because you bones don't schrink when you loose weight.
And how do you explain this? No matter how hard I try, I really don't see the same person in these pics.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii2.jpg)
Michael gave an interview once where he mentioned something about wanting to change up Billie Jean. He said the fans expected, almost demanded that he do the moonwalk at the particular point where he originally did it, so he kept it that way. I would be inclined to believe he would change the Billie Jean routine.
(If I can locate that interview I will for reference).
Also, the second row of pics show a man in two distinctly different positions. In one position, he is standing erect. In the other, he is in a semi squat dance position (classical Michael moves, IMO) thus making him appear shorter than what he is.
As for his moves, Michael was always evolving in his dance. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do things differently, even a little strangely as the newer moves were just that; new and less practiced. Also, consider that he was suffering from back and feet pain (well documented throughout the years) and that may have hindered his movements. He was, after all, 50 years old, too, and he'd not seen a stage (formally) in many, many years. He's definitely not going to move like the Michael of old.
I am just inclined to believe TII was all Michael.
I disagree on every point you make. As I said, IF he would change his Billie Jean choreography, he would improve it, not do something like this. It's not MJ, it's not fresh and new, it's not innovating, so my conclusion is: not MJ.
Well, I'll agree to disagree with you. Just because it's not fresh or invigorating to you, doesn't mean it's not Michael Jackson.
I am not talking about the length of the legs, but the shape. Straight thighs againdt round ones. The faces simply are not the same either. Ears, eyes, shape of head and mouth all differ. Angles do can make you look a little different, but not like this.
Like someone has famously said before...location, location, location...as well as lighting, clothing, etc. It's not rocket science at all.
As for the back and feet pains... Why don't we see him struggle with some other dances? Why does that look smooth?
Souza, I know you're not daft. Just as some with arthritis often do, it's possible he felt better at some points than he did at others. He's a human being for Christ's sake, and as such, he's prone to ills and ailments men his age often experience as a natural course of aging.
And please, 50 is not old. I have friends and colleagues that age and some are fitter than I am. Michael is a born dancer and not being on stage does not mean not dancing. Not competing with my horse does not mean I don't ride. We also have the rehearsal with Travis, were he is sharp as a razor. I have a slow internet connection, so I can't check the YouTube now, but maybe someone else can post it.
I've posted that very video here on this forum, so I am familiar with its contents. Michael is a born man who happened to be a talented dancer. Just like any other talent, one must practice and work with it to perfect it. Do you know that he did so daily in his latter years? It has been my professional experience that rehearsals are sometimes as equally demanding as a show itself. If he was not conditioning himself rigorously, daily, then it is perfectly understandable that he'd be a little 'off' in some segments. That's the point of rehearsing; to get it right.
I do believe Michael would come up with new moves, but I am sure they would be new and great. This definitely wasn't. And those shades are ridiculous. You can see it even bothers him because he keeps touching them. Why would Michael Jackson need shades on a rehearsal? Where has he ever worn shades on stage, besides some intros?
Again, practice makes perfect, and what you're seeing in TII is just that; practice...
Michael being 50 doesn't mean old and cripple. Why do so many people rather believe he was old and unable to move his body, instead of him being in control. And I think he still got his moves, why wouldn't he?
No one said he lost it, least of all me. I believe he was in great shape, but I can also understand his need to polish his act, so to speak, after years of not performing.
encino_girl, you seem to get very offensive, while we are only discussing opinions here. You have yours, I have mine and as I said in my previous post, I disagree with your points. To me these are all excuses to make it MJ, while IN MY OPINION it is not all MJ. That is just my opinion and I have the right to have that opinion, just as you can have yours. If you don't like people disagreeing with you, you should start a blog and disable the comments. On a discussion board people discuss.
If you think it's all MJ, that's fine by me. I wouldn't loose a minute of sleep over it. But as I said before, this is the gazillionth discussion about this and I was already done with it months ago, since it's a useless discussion. Maybe we will hear one day from Mike himself. Until then, I rest my case.
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I AGREE WITH SOUZA 100%.I enlarged the picture with the paint application, and I saw the Michael at the right he has his little scar from his mole on his left cheek, and also i saw his fingers they are Michael's fingers. He has a defined fingers they curl upwards,and also his nails are stained. The Michael at the left his legs are thinner and longer, and the right are a little fuller. People started spreading rumours about Michael being too thin and fragile, well if you she the Michael to the left yes, of course people talk. I have a feeling that Michael did it un purpose to have the imposter replace him. Yesterday i saw on Much music a documentary of Michael Jackson called GONE TOO SOON. De Leo said that Michael went only to 2 rehearsals, he was not in a mood of rehearsing. In order to do the movie, someone had to be there to rehearse. So that's when the impersonators comes along. I think Michael went to the rehearsal with the intention to direct the movie. I am not a big fan of Joe Jackson, I respect him because he is Michael's father, but he stated that was not Michael it was impersonators.I do believe Joe Jackson, even if he promoted his business when his son supposedly passed away. :roll: I wanted to paste the picture of the enlargement I did, I had a hard time. If you have that application you can do it yourself and check it out. blessings.
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I AGREE WITH SOUZA 100%.I enlarged the picture with the paint application, and I saw the Michael at the right he has his little scar from his mole on his left cheek, and also i saw his fingers they are Michael's fingers. He has a defined fingers they curl upwards,and also his nails are stained. The Michael at the left his legs are thinner and longer, and the right are a little fuller. People started spreading rumours about Michael being too thin and fragile, well if you she the Michael to the left yes, of course people talk. I have a feeling that Michael did it un purpose to have the imposter replace him. Yesterday i saw on Much music a documentary of Michael Jackson called GONE TOO SOON. De Leo said that Michael went only to 2 rehearsals, he was not in a mood of rehearsing. In order to do the movie, someone had to be there to rehearse. So that's when the impersonators comes along. I think Michael went to the rehearsal with the intention to direct the movie. I am not a big fan of Joe Jackson, I respect him because he is Michael's father, but he stated that was not Michael it was impersonators.I do believe Joe Jackson, even if he promoted his business when his son supposedly passed away. :roll: I wanted to paste the picture of the enlargement I did, I had a hard time. If you have that application you can do it yourself and check it out. blessings.
Could you possibly post the enlarged photos? Every time I try to enlarge a photo, it gets pixilated.
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There is no need for an apology, that's exactly my point.
It seems to me we are allowed to disagree with others, but not with you?
On a discussion board people discuss and a discussion is about defending your opinion, based on arguments. I did exactly that and on this topic a thousand times. Like I said, I have stated my opinion and I posted my arguments. Those arguments were dismissed with other arguments that I don't agree with, so I disagree again, based on my arguments. It's called a discussion and it has nothing to do with me wanting to be right. It's so easy to always say that I don't like it when people disagree with me. I really don't care, I simply share my opinion. Cutting me off by saying again that I can't handle people that disagree is getting old. If I didn't like it or couldn't handle it, I would have never once again stated my opinion about this subject.
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There is no need for an apology, that's exactly my point.
I thought that you'd say that.
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There is no need for an apology, that's exactly my point.
I thought that you'd say that.
Yeah, but the point is: do you also understand it?
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Souza, I understand your point but my opinion, as strong as yours, is that it is Michael 100% in This Is It and that those specific "doubles" were used for another purpose and that is not to replace Michael or impersonate him to deceive people. For me, it's totally another thing behind all this stuff with the "doubles"
What puzzles me is how you can think it is all Mike in TII. How do you explain the differences in height, bodies, faces and most of all: the movements that are off. It's a genuine question because I really do not understand.I see at least 3 different persons. Mike himself (or else a hell of a double), a short one that is very feminine and small with small shoulders, and a tall one. One moves like MJ and is IMO MJ himself or the best double ever, one is tall and dances great, and one is short and well uhmm...dances not that well. Billie Jean was not Billie Jean at all. I don't think he would change his moves like that. To improve it: yes. But this? No way. The orange pants in The Way You Make Me Feel? No way. I am sure he is very talented and can do a lot, but he can't change his body structure back and forth like that. Even if he would have lost 10 or 20 pounds in a few days, there is no way the width of his shoulders would change that much, simply because you bones don't schrink when you loose weight.
And how do you explain this? No matter how hard I try, I really don't see the same person in these pics.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii2.jpg)
Michael gave an interview once where he mentioned something about wanting to change up Billie Jean. He said the fans expected, almost demanded that he do the moonwalk at the particular point where he originally did it, so he kept it that way. I would be inclined to believe he would change the Billie Jean routine.
(If I can locate that interview I will for reference).
Also, the second row of pics show a man in two distinctly different positions. In one position, he is standing erect. In the other, he is in a semi squat dance position (classical Michael moves, IMO) thus making him appear shorter than what he is.
As for his moves, Michael was always evolving in his dance. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do things differently, even a little strangely as the newer moves were just that; new and less practiced. Also, consider that he was suffering from back and feet pain (well documented throughout the years) and that may have hindered his movements. He was, after all, 50 years old, too, and he'd not seen a stage (formally) in many, many years. He's definitely not going to move like the Michael of old.
I am just inclined to believe TII was all Michael.
I disagree on every point you make. As I said, IF he would change his Billie Jean choreography, he would improve it, not do something like this. It's not MJ, it's not fresh and new, it's not innovating, so my conclusion is: not MJ.
Well, I'll agree to disagree with you. Just because it's not fresh or invigorating to you, doesn't mean it's not Michael Jackson.
I am not talking about the length of the legs, but the shape. Straight thighs againdt round ones. The faces simply are not the same either. Ears, eyes, shape of head and mouth all differ. Angles do can make you look a little different, but not like this.
Like someone has famously said before...location, location, location...as well as lighting, clothing, etc. It's not rocket science at all.
As for the back and feet pains... Why don't we see him struggle with some other dances? Why does that look smooth?
Souza, I know you're not daft. Just as some with arthritis often do, it's possible he felt better at some points than he did at others. He's a human being for Christ's sake, and as such, he's prone to ills and ailments men his age often experience as a natural course of aging.
And please, 50 is not old. I have friends and colleagues that age and some are fitter than I am. Michael is a born dancer and not being on stage does not mean not dancing. Not competing with my horse does not mean I don't ride. We also have the rehearsal with Travis, were he is sharp as a razor. I have a slow internet connection, so I can't check the YouTube now, but maybe someone else can post it.
I've posted that very video here on this forum, so I am familiar with its contents. Michael is a born man who happened to be a talented dancer. Just like any other talent, one must practice and work with it to perfect it. Do you know that he did so daily in his latter years? It has been my professional experience that rehearsals are sometimes as equally demanding as a show itself. If he was not conditioning himself rigorously, daily, then it is perfectly understandable that he'd be a little 'off' in some segments. That's the point of rehearsing; to get it right.
I do believe Michael would come up with new moves, but I am sure they would be new and great. This definitely wasn't. And those shades are ridiculous. You can see it even bothers him because he keeps touching them. Why would Michael Jackson need shades on a rehearsal? Where has he ever worn shades on stage, besides some intros?
Again, practice makes perfect, and what you're seeing in TII is just that; practice...
Michael being 50 doesn't mean old and cripple. Why do so many people rather believe he was old and unable to move his body, instead of him being in control. And I think he still got his moves, why wouldn't he?
No one said he lost it, least of all me. I believe he was in great shape, but I can also understand his need to polish his act, so to speak, after years of not performing.
encino_girl, you seem to get very offensive, while we are only discussing opinions here. You have yours, I have mine and as I said in my previous post, I disagree with your points. To me these are all excuses to make it MJ, while IN MY OPINION it is not all MJ. That is just my opinion and I have the right to have that opinion, just as you can have yours. If you don't like people disagreeing with you, you should start a blog and disable the comments. On a discussion board people discuss.
If you think it's all MJ, that's fine by me. I wouldn't loose a minute of sleep over it. But as I said before, this is the gazillionth discussion about this and I was already done with it months ago, since it's a useless discussion. Maybe we will hear one day from Mike himself. Until then, I rest my case.
I thought the double from TII was already explained in this video
[youtube:9exm5l21]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkcyn1JgdUw[/youtube:9exm5l21]
and about the TII pictures above, One of those pics was a promotional pic for the movie so it was spruced all up to look awesome, it even appears they removed the clef in his chin slightly. the other pic appears that they caught him mid blink and while he was singing.
Now for "orange pants TII MJ" Hes wearing the skinny jeans that the kids are wearing these days that accentuate and sometime exaggerate the appearance of how skinny your legs are, trust me ive tried a pair of these ridiculous pants on before, and as for his broad shoulders, that shinny over sized blazer gives off the appearance of very broad shoulders.
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I AGREE WITH SOUZA 100%.I enlarged the picture with the paint application, and I saw the Michael at the right he has his little scar from his mole on his left cheek, and also i saw his fingers they are Michael's fingers. He has a defined fingers they curl upwards,and also his nails are stained. The Michael at the left his legs are thinner and longer, and the right are a little fuller. People started spreading rumours about Michael being too thin and fragile, well if you she the Michael to the left yes, of course people talk. I have a feeling that Michael did it un purpose to have the imposter replace him. Yesterday i saw on Much music a documentary of Michael Jackson called GONE TOO SOON. De Leo said that Michael went only to 2 rehearsals, he was not in a mood of rehearsing. In order to do the movie, someone had to be there to rehearse. So that's when the impersonators comes along. I think Michael went to the rehearsal with the intention to direct the movie. I am not a big fan of Joe Jackson, I respect him because he is Michael's father, but he stated that was not Michael it was impersonators.I do believe Joe Jackson, even if he promoted his business when his son supposedly passed away. :roll: I wanted to paste the picture of the enlargement I did, I had a hard time. If you have that application you can do it yourself and check it out. blessings.
Could you possibly post the enlarged photos? Every time I try to enlarge a photo, it gets pixilated.
It gives me the same problem, or else I would have posted it. sorry
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I agree with Souza. 1000% percent. The guy in the red pants during the rehearsals in TII, gave me a different feeling as soon as I saw him.
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I AGREE WITH SOUZA 100%.I enlarged the picture with the paint application, and I saw the Michael at the right he has his little scar from his mole on his left cheek, and also i saw his fingers they are Michael's fingers. He has a defined fingers they curl upwards,and also his nails are stained. The Michael at the left his legs are thinner and longer, and the right are a little fuller. People started spreading rumours about Michael being too thin and fragile, well if you she the Michael to the left yes, of course people talk. I have a feeling that Michael did it un purpose to have the imposter replace him. Yesterday i saw on Much music a documentary of Michael Jackson called GONE TOO SOON. De Leo said that Michael went only to 2 rehearsals, he was not in a mood of rehearsing. In order to do the movie, someone had to be there to rehearse. So that's when the impersonators comes along. I think Michael went to the rehearsal with the intention to direct the movie. I am not a big fan of Joe Jackson, I respect him because he is Michael's father, but he stated that was not Michael it was impersonators.I do believe Joe Jackson, even if he promoted his business when his son supposedly passed away. :roll: I wanted to paste the picture of the enlargement I did, I had a hard time. If you have that application you can do it yourself and check it out. blessings.
Could you possibly post the enlarged photos? Every time I try to enlarge a photo, it gets pixilated.
It gives me the same problem, or else I would have posted it. sorry
No worries!
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There is no need for an apology, that's exactly my point.
I thought that you'd say that.
Yeah, but the point is: do you also understand it?
I understand that my opinion differs from yours, and just as you are adhering firmly to yours, so will I to mine.
So, in the spirit of amicability, Happy New Year to you and yours.
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I've never said i didn't believe this was MJ. I was shocked because it looked like a mask. I've always believed that MJ looked really good during the trails tbh. He didn't look so thin as he did some years after that. But you got to admit, it does look kinda weird when you see that for the first time on that picture xd.
Im not being funny, but how old are you>??
You wait until you are in your 40's.. you will find you will have some neck skin crinkles going on too!!
Its normal skin for a man his age.
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I've been thinking. Actually there aren't many people who would honestly know what Michael looks like. And I think it has it's purpose. When I see pictures of michael or impersonators, I can't tell. But moving and the hands are good help to regognize the real MJ :) For years Michael has surely used numerous impersonators, sometimes it's clearer than other times.
I am also sure that Michael discuised more often lady that many people regognize, I hope that you fans don't take this insulting for Michael. I really love and appreciate him very, very much.
This discuising is very intresting part of MJ, I think. He is probably very talented to change his moving also, if neseccary. And now he can be almost anywhere he want's beacause most of the people believe in media. Im very exited what Michael looks these days when he chooses to come in publicity.
I'm supporting you in everything Michael!
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The doubles again, huh?
Seems like this is one of the most controversial subject, and i don't think people will ever agree on it, 'cuz there will always be angles, and lights, and different make-ups. ( not to talk abt the surgeries, and facial expressions, plus Mike, as a superhero, with a huge M on his chest, changing shape, from time to time, etc. )
That's all right, people see what they wanna see, and noone really wants to see double dudes in their icon's rehearsal (movie). Even i don't wanna see them, but they're there, obviously, and for a reason, not accidentaly, that's for sure.
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I will stay out of the is-he-or-isn't-he TII discussion, and just state that I also believe that it was Michael in the top of the post. GORGEOUS mature Michael, might I add. I love it when we see him "human" as this- neckskin (he is turning his head!!!!- of course there is some skin), pores, and all. God, that man is amazing.
I am also glad a majority agreed that it was Michael in the white suit- as this is the stuff my dreams are made of... That white suit just does all kinds of things for me (as does the man in it....).
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Yep, that white suit I imagine does all sorts of things for many people and I could not agree more. *Drooling smiley needed HERE* :D
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Since that my english is not that good as Souza's.. I have to that you Souza.. Cuz you said all the things I wanted to say..I agree with you 110%..
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I've never said i didn't believe this was MJ. I was shocked because it looked like a mask. I've always believed that MJ looked really good during the trails tbh. He didn't look so thin as he did some years after that. But you got to admit, it does look kinda weird when you see that for the first time on that picture xd.
Im not being funny, but how old are you>??
You wait until you are in your 40's.. you will find you will have some neck skin crinkles going on too!!
Its normal skin for a man his age.
I found the picture in google, and it is his shirt that cuts into a V so it seems his neck is wrinkly, but it is not. I am trying to find it and I can't anymore, it is the same as posted. I guess you can see it better when the picture is smaller. His shirt is almost the same color as his neck. So it is not his neck that is wrinkly nor a mask.
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Both sides have valid arguments on the doubles. However, what I can't get my head around is why some get so upset at the thought of there being doubles. to my mind, it only helps the hoax.