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Title: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: pillekelille on January 04, 2011, 03:06:10 AM
'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
4 minutes ago by TMZ Staff  

Michael Jackson's producer/director for the "This Is It" tour will be a star witness for the prosecution in Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing which begins today  ... sources tell TMZ.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/03/0103-conrad-murray-kenny-ortega-michael-jackson-ex-tmz-credit.jpg)

Our sources tell us ... Kenny Ortega will testify that on June 19, 2009 -- a week before MJ died -- Michael complained he was cold, had the shakes and was unable to perform ... so the rehearsal was canceled.

The next day -- June 20 -- an emergency meeting was held at Michael's home.  Kenny Ortega, several big wigs from AEG, Michael, and Dr. Conrad Murray were present.  We're told the meeting was "intense, loud and argumentative."  Kenny read Michael the riot act, imploring him to take better care of himself because the tour was imminent.  

Ortega will testify, during the meeting, Dr. Murray said some "terrible things," showing a lack of concern and respect for Michael.  Our sources would not reveal specifics, but we're told it's "damaging" to Murray.

Ortega will also testify that on June 23 and 24 -- the day before Jackson died -- Michael did a complete turnaround in rehearsals, wowing the backup dancers and others present with his moves and singing.

Ortega's testimony is important, because prosecutors will argue MJ was fine before Murray began pumping him with drugs the day he died.

See also
    * Famed MJ Lawyer -- Michael Was NOT Suicidal!
    * Michael Jackson's Son Will Not Be Witness at Prelim
    * Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial

Link is here: http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/04/michael-j ... slaughter/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/04/michael-jackson-kenny-ortega-died-propofol-this-is-it-producer-star-witness-preliminary-hearing-manslaughter/) ;)
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: mjfansince4 on January 04, 2011, 03:25:04 AM
oh kenny, how i've missed you!

OF COURSE he's the star witness! he's been with michael since the 90s. he "helped" (in more ways than one ;) ) with TII. i bet the ice is melting so fast right now we're going to be flooded.

and i'm sorry, but i find it very hard to swallow that murray would say "damaging" things around/near/in front of michael and michael would take it. we've seen he can be the sweetest soul ever, but he doesn't take crap.

didn't know what the phrase "riot act" was, so here:

Meaning

Reprimand rowdy characters and warn them to stop behaving badly.

Origin


Since the early 19th century we have used 'read the riot act' as a figurative phrase to describe attempts to calm groups of rowdies - along the same lines as 'you noisy louts, don't you know there are people here trying to sleep?'. It wasn't always so. Had we been 'reading the riot act' in 1715 we would have noticed capital letters. At that date there was a real Riot Act and it used to be read in public.

In English law the control of unruly citizens has usually been the responsibility of local magistrates. Any group of twelve or more that the authorities didn't like the look of could be deemed a 'riotous and tumultuous assembly' and arrested if they didn't disperse within an hour of the Riot Act being read to them by a magistrate. This seems a little harsh, but in 18th century England the government was fearful of Jacobite mobs who threatened to rise up and overthrow the Hanoverian George I. The fear was well-founded, as supporters of the deposed Stuarts did actually invade in 1715 and again in 1745. The 'Riot Act' was passed by the British government in 1714 and came into force in 1715. The Riot Act, which was more formally called 'An act for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies, and for the more speedy and effectual punishing the rioters' actually contained this warning:

    "Our sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the act made in the first year of King George, for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God save the King."

read the riot actThe punishments for ignoring the Act were severe - penal servitude for not less than three years, or imprisonment with hard labour for up to two years.

After the Hanoverians were established in power the Riot Act began to fade into disuse. It was read to a group of demonstrating mill workers at Manchester Town Hall in 1842, but was used with decreasing frequency and had become a rarity by the 20th century. Surprisingly, the Act remained on the UK statute books into modern times and wasn't formally repealed until 1973. It was eventually superseded by the 1986 Public Order Act.

The first record of the figurative use of the phrase is in William Bradford's Letters, December 1819:

    "She has just run out to read the riot act in the Nursery."
credit: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/read ... t-act.html (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/read-the-riot-act.html)


the phrasing is weird how TMZ wrote it, is it not?


and so we're back to england! we've come full circle.
p.s. LOVE the pictures they chose.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 04, 2011, 03:28:53 AM
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There will be no "star witness" in the prelim. Sources tell us the various witnesses will form building blocks, making the case that Dr. Murray acted recklessly by administering Propofol and other drugs to Jackson the day he died.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-j ... -propofol/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-jacksons-son-will-not-be-witness-preliminary-hearing-conrad-murray-propofol/)

And now:
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Michael Jackson's producer/director for the "This Is It" tour will be a star witness for the prosecution in Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing which begins today  ... sources tell TMZ.

So what is it Harve? Make up your mind.

Good to see Kenny's back!
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: dejavu on January 04, 2011, 03:32:59 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote
There will be no "star witness" in the prelim. Sources tell us the various witnesses will form building blocks, making the case that Dr. Murray acted recklessly by administering Propofol and other drugs to Jackson the day he died.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-j ... -propofol/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-jacksons-son-will-not-be-witness-preliminary-hearing-conrad-murray-propofol/)

And now:
Quote
Michael Jackson's producer/director for the "This Is It" tour will be a star witness for the prosecution in Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing which begins today  ... sources tell TMZ.

So what is it Harve? Make up your mind.

Good to see Kenny's back!

Kenny is the star witness, not the "star witness"!
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 04, 2011, 03:45:55 AM
Quote from: "dejavu"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote
There will be no "star witness" in the prelim. Sources tell us the various witnesses will form building blocks, making the case that Dr. Murray acted recklessly by administering Propofol and other drugs to Jackson the day he died.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-j ... -propofol/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-jacksons-son-will-not-be-witness-preliminary-hearing-conrad-murray-propofol/)

And now:
Quote
Michael Jackson's producer/director for the "This Is It" tour will be a star witness for the prosecution in Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing which begins today  ... sources tell TMZ.

So what is it Harve? Make up your mind.

Good to see Kenny's back!

Kenny is the star witness, not the "star witness"!

Yes, so no Bam during the prelim.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: raphaelleanique on January 04, 2011, 05:04:45 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "dejavu"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote
There will be no "star witness" in the prelim. Sources tell us the various witnesses will form building blocks, making the case that Dr. Murray acted recklessly by administering Propofol and other drugs to Jackson the day he died.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-j ... -propofol/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-jacksons-son-will-not-be-witness-preliminary-hearing-conrad-murray-propofol/)

And now:
Quote
Michael Jackson's producer/director for the "This Is It" tour will be a star witness for the prosecution in Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing which begins today  ... sources tell TMZ.

So what is it Harve? Make up your mind.



Good to see Kenny's back!

Kenny is the star witness, not the "star witness"!

Yes, so no Bam during the prelim.


The star who is witnessing surely could become the "star witness", but whatsoever.

I think it is too early for a BAM, things are finally going to unfold and get some reflectable substance for the public,IMO.
As I read the comments written below the TMZ MJarticle, I was very shocked to read how some people can be so convinced of their negative and destroying insight when it comes to MJ. The tabloids have a lot of work to do to get the injustice compensated they once caused, so TMZ, keep going!
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 04, 2011, 05:18:11 AM
On June 19 Michael was in such a bad shape that they called an urgent meeting and on June 23 and 24 Michael was in the best form....... because of some miracle drugs Murray gave to him I suppose.......Murray the miracles maker....how else could Michael "ressurected" from cold and shivering to singing and dancing like no other?!
What secret resources he found in himself to wake up and shine again on 24?
Or was it only the candle effect - like just before a candle is about to burn down it makes a last big flame........

Was 24 your last big flame Michael? Should we finally start praying for your soul? Do you want to stay dead Michael :cry: ?
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: 2good2btrue on January 04, 2011, 05:43:21 AM
Posted by TMZ on 4th Jan  4:1
John 1:4 (New International Version, ©2010)

 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

Galatians 1:4 (New International Version, ©2010)
Who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A4&version=NIV)
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: raphaelleanique on January 04, 2011, 05:48:20 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
On June 19 Michael was in such a bad shape that they called an urgent meeting and on June 23 and 24 Michael was in the best form....... because of some miracle drugs Murray gave to him I suppose.......Murray the miracles maker....how else could Michael "ressurected" from cold and shivering to singing and dancing like no other?!
What secret resources he found in himself to wake up and shine again on 24?
Or was it only the candle effect - like just before a candle is about to burn down it makes a last big flame........

Was 24 your last big flame Michael? Should we finally start praying for your soul? Do you want to stay dead Michael :cry: ?


I need some help on recalling whatelse happened on that June 19, I have other associations in mind than Michael being cold, anyone remembers? Even if it is not changing the bigger pic and also not prooving anything but possibly the media lying again, it may be worth its effort.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: voiceforthesilent on January 04, 2011, 05:51:42 AM
Quote from: "pillekelille"
'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
4 minutes ago by TMZ Staff  

Michael Jackson's producer/director for the "This Is It" tour will be a star witness for the prosecution in Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing which begins today  ... sources tell TMZ.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/03/0103-conrad-murray-kenny-ortega-michael-jackson-ex-tmz-credit.jpg)

Our sources tell us ... Kenny Ortega will testify that on June 19, 2009 -- a week before MJ died -- Michael complained he was cold, had the shakes and was unable to perform ... so the rehearsal was canceled.

The next day -- June 20 -- an emergency meeting was held at Michael's home.  Kenny Ortega, several big wigs from AEG, Michael, and Dr. Conrad Murray were present.  We're told the meeting was "intense, loud and argumentative."  Kenny read Michael the riot act, imploring him to take better care of himself because the tour was imminent.  

Ortega will testify, during the meeting, Dr. Murray said some "terrible things," showing a lack of concern and respect for Michael.  Our sources would not reveal specifics, but we're told it's "damaging" to Murray.

Ortega will also testify that on June 23 and 24 -- the day before Jackson died -- Michael did a complete turnaround in rehearsals, wowing the backup dancers and others present with his moves and singing.

Ortega's testimony is important, because prosecutors will argue MJ was fine before Murray began pumping him with drugs the day he died.

See also
    * Famed MJ Lawyer -- Michael Was NOT Suicidal!
    * Michael Jackson's Son Will Not Be Witness at Prelim
    * Michael Jackson Concert Tours on Trial

Link is here: http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/04/michael-j ... slaughter/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/04/michael-jackson-kenny-ortega-died-propofol-this-is-it-producer-star-witness-preliminary-hearing-manslaughter/) ;)

This whole story is strange. From the choice of pictures to the choice of words. And what is up with all of the dashes and the parentheses.

"intense, loud and argumentative."
"terrible things,"
"damaging"

IDK - it's just a strangely written piece that contradicts itself. I can't believe that they had a meeting over one failed rehearsal and there is no talk about Michael's manager, etc., being at that meeting. If they had a meeting with all of these players it was to put the final touches on this hoax.

I think that the story about being cold around the 19th lines up with the nurses story who said she got a call from Michael saying that one side of his body was hot and the other was cold, right?

I agree - I've missed Kenny and he's been quiet the last couple of months on Twitter.

Also - what's up with showing MJ's thumb in the picture - is that to prove that he's the real MJ? LOL. I need some sleep. Seriously.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: voiceforthesilent on January 04, 2011, 05:53:14 AM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
Posted by TMZ on 4th Jan  4:1
John 1:4 (New International Version, ©2010)

 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

Galatians 1:4 (New International Version, ©2010)
Who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A4&version=NIV)

TMZ is posting Biblical passages? Interesting.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: 2good2btrue on January 04, 2011, 06:00:28 AM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
Posted by TMZ on 4th Jan  4:1
John 1:4 (New International Version, ©2010)

 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

Galatians 1:4 (New International Version, ©2010)
Who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A4&version=NIV)

TMZ is posting Biblical passages? Interesting.

I believe this has been happening for a long time....there was a post a while back about this....The dates seem to match proverbs from the bible, just as TIAI does with their redirects.  With LOVE
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: reasonables+luvs+MJ on January 04, 2011, 06:06:55 AM
Gosh! TMZ always put the weirdest pictures on their site... :?
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: Sinderella on January 04, 2011, 06:28:26 AM
Great,the whole thing rests on Kenny....the human TII bulldozer.lol

***A note to Souza
Maybe there should be a new 'area' for all the trial threads as there is already a load of them and only more to come since it hasn't even started yet....??
Would just make it more tidy looking and also easier to see what's going on,I can foresee a lot of double threads popping up over due to them being spread out over the forum.

Just a thought to make everyone's life easier x
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: 2good2btrue on January 04, 2011, 07:17:28 AM
TMZ seem to quote from the bible often

[youtube:kb590u41]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZd_243ZjA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:kb590u41]
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 04, 2011, 08:08:49 AM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Great,the whole thing rests on Kenny....the human TII bulldozer.lol

***A note to Souza
Maybe there should be a new 'area' for all the trial threads as there is already a load of them and only more to come since it hasn't even started yet....??
Would just make it more tidy looking and also easier to see what's going on,I can foresee a lot of double threads popping up over due to them being spread out over the forum.

Just a thought to make everyone's life easier x
There already is: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... m.php?f=96 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=96)

I hope everyone will post their threads in there, except for the TMZ articles.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: loyalfan on January 04, 2011, 08:13:48 AM
so am i the only one on here who is scared about this......................???????????????????
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: Sinderella on January 04, 2011, 08:23:21 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Great,the whole thing rests on Kenny....the human TII bulldozer.lol

***A note to Souza
Maybe there should be a new 'area' for all the trial threads as there is already a load of them and only more to come since it hasn't even started yet....??
Would just make it more tidy looking and also easier to see what's going on,I can foresee a lot of double threads popping up over due to them being spread out over the forum.

Just a thought to make everyone's life easier x
There already is: viewforum.php?f=96 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=96)

I hope everyone will post their threads in there, except for the TMZ articles.


Oh awesome!Well done :)
Everyone take note haha.

Popcorn at the ready..LETS 'AV ITTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 04, 2011, 08:26:10 AM
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Sinderella"
Great,the whole thing rests on Kenny....the human TII bulldozer.lol

***A note to Souza
Maybe there should be a new 'area' for all the trial threads as there is already a load of them and only more to come since it hasn't even started yet....??
Would just make it more tidy looking and also easier to see what's going on,I can foresee a lot of double threads popping up over due to them being spread out over the forum.

Just a thought to make everyone's life easier x
There already is: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... m.php?f=96 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=96)

I hope everyone will post their threads in there, except for the TMZ articles.


Oh awesome!Well done :)
Everyone take note haha.

Popcorn at the ready..LETS 'AV ITTTTTTTTTTT

(http://www.jumparoundparty.com/wp-content/popcorn_machine.jpg)

Here ya go! What time will the circus start?
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: PureLove on January 04, 2011, 08:34:11 AM
Okay the interesting thing is, I don't know if you believe it or not and if you have ever been on LKL blogs but there was an informer there. And 4 moths ago s/he wrote a couple of times with capital latters that there will be a STAR WITNESS in the upcoming Murray hearings and s/he also wrote that there will be TRIAL! I don't know if this can be a koinkidannk that TMZ chose this title for Kenny :D But I don't believe in koinkidankes in this hoax :D Just wanted to let you guys know about it. Everything is very well planned and there's nothing to worry about. That's how I feel.

Here are some of her posts about the issue. There were more about the Star Witness issue and I'll be finding more posts of the informer about it.

-The preliminary hearing will be in January 2011. Though by the time this is posted it will be old news. More surprises on the way.
-The Informer

August 23rd, 2010 11:49 pm ET


-It is too soon for the Star Witness. That will be for the trial. Today's surprise is the delay. There will be more surprises to come in the first week of September and the end of October for the final buildup in January 2011 and the the magical comeback. Always remember the missing video security tapes of the 25th, the missing Thome Thome, broke Conrad's mystery financing, the old man at the Memorial, Brooke's admittance of being given a speech to read, the invited close friends at the interment, the blank tomb which is historically recognized at Forest Lawn since the early 1950s as a solid block and is merely a decoration underneath the stained glass Last Supper window, Conrad's recorded video statement like Michael had done when he defended himself and most importantly follow the number 7 as it will keep appearing everywhere. This is Reality Film. Michael started planning his shocking comeback with a famous magician back in 2006.
-The Informer

August 27th, 2010 2:41 am ET
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: Sinderella on January 04, 2011, 08:44:09 AM
YES!!!!

12pm EST apparently
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: suspicious mind on January 04, 2011, 09:03:14 AM
comes to my mind about baring false witness
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: pepper on January 04, 2011, 09:04:04 AM
June 19, 2009 was a Friday.  June 20 (the meeting at the house) was Saturday.  Nurse Lee says she got this call about him being hot and cold four days before his "death" which, depending on how you count the days,  would have been either June 21 (the Sunday after the big meeting and also Father's Day) or June 22, the Monday before MJ has his two great rehearsals on June 23 and 24.


Nurse Cherilyn Lee : "Then, four days before Jackson suffered cardiac arrest at his rented Los Angeles home, Lee said she got the frantic call from Jackson's camp about the singer wanting Diprivan and complaining about his body being alternately hot and cold.

Lee said she told Jackson to go to the hospital. He never went."


http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Mic ... 029&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=7975029&page=1)
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: Sinderella on January 04, 2011, 09:11:05 AM
Personally I think a few people from this forum should be called up....there is probably more info on here than there is actual evidence for the whole trial.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: voiceforthesilent on January 04, 2011, 10:00:31 AM
Quote from: "PureLove"
Okay the interesting thing is, I don't know if you believe it or not and if you have ever been on LKL blogs but there was an informer there. And 4 moths ago s/he wrote a couple of times with capital latters that there will be a STAR WITNESS in the upcoming Murray hearings and s/he also wrote that there will be TRIAL! I don't know if this can be a koinkidannk that TMZ chose this title for Kenny :D But I don't believe in koinkidankes in this hoax :D Just wanted to let you guys know about it. Everything is very well planned and there's nothing to worry about. That's how I feel.

Here are some of her posts about the issue. There were more about the Star Witness issue and I'll be finding more posts of the informer about it.

-The preliminary hearing will be in January 2011. Though by the time this is posted it will be old news. More surprises on the way.
-The Informer

August 23rd, 2010 11:49 pm ET


-It is too soon for the Star Witness. That will be for the trial. Today's surprise is the delay. There will be more surprises to come in the first week of September and the end of October for the final buildup in January 2011 and the the magical comeback. Always remember the missing video security tapes of the 25th, the missing Thome Thome, broke Conrad's mystery financing, the old man at the Memorial, Brooke's admittance of being given a speech to read, the invited close friends at the interment, the blank tomb which is historically recognized at Forest Lawn since the early 1950s as a solid block and is merely a decoration underneath the stained glass Last Supper window, Conrad's recorded video statement like Michael had done when he defended himself and most importantly follow the number 7 as it will keep appearing everywhere. This is Reality Film. Michael started planning his shocking comeback with a famous magician back in 2006.
-The Informer

August 27th, 2010 2:41 am ET

Thank you for posting this reminder! I remember something being said about it a few months ago. Yes, we definitely will need to keep watch on all of these events, for sure. Blessings!
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 04, 2011, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Okay the interesting thing is, I don't know if you believe it or not and if you have ever been on LKL blogs but there was an informer there. And 4 moths ago s/he wrote a couple of times with capital latters that there will be a STAR WITNESS in the upcoming Murray hearings and s/he also wrote that there will be TRIAL! I don't know if this can be a koinkidannk that TMZ chose this title for Kenny :D But I don't believe in koinkidankes in this hoax :D Just wanted to let you guys know about it. Everything is very well planned and there's nothing to worry about. That's how I feel.

Here are some of her posts about the issue. There were more about the Star Witness issue and I'll be finding more posts of the informer about it.

-The preliminary hearing will be in January 2011. Though by the time this is posted it will be old news. More surprises on the way.
-The Informer

August 23rd, 2010 11:49 pm ET


-It is too soon for the Star Witness. That will be for the trial. Today's surprise is the delay. There will be more surprises to come in the first week of September and the end of October for the final buildup in January 2011 and the the magical comeback. Always remember the missing video security tapes of the 25th, the missing Thome Thome, broke Conrad's mystery financing, the old man at the Memorial, Brooke's admittance of being given a speech to read, the invited close friends at the interment, the blank tomb which is historically recognized at Forest Lawn since the early 1950s as a solid block and is merely a decoration underneath the stained glass Last Supper window, Conrad's recorded video statement like Michael had done when he defended himself and most importantly follow the number 7 as it will keep appearing everywhere. This is Reality Film. Michael started planning his shocking comeback with a famous magician back in 2006.
-The Informer

August 27th, 2010 2:41 am ET

Thank you for posting this reminder! I remember something being said about it a few months ago. Yes, we definitely will need to keep watch on all of these events, for sure. Blessings!

Star witness is quite a common word, and the shit hit the fan in November/December, not September/Oktober. It's all known hoax info he posts, so I wouldn't rely on it too much.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 04, 2011, 10:14:59 AM
Star Witness = Witness of the Stars

A Book...

The Witness of the Stars
by Ethelbert William Bullinger
In a work of profound interest to students of Christianity and astrology alike, E.W. Bullinger uses astronomy, celestial charts, and quotations from the Bible to make his case for the existence of God's Word within the movements and configurations of the stars themselves. Beginning with proof in Psalm 19 that "the Creator both numbered as well as named the stars of heaven," Bullinger interprets each of the Twelve Signs of the Zodiac as they relate to biblical prophecy, arriving at some interesting-and controversial-conclusions.

British clergyman ETHELBERT WILLIAM BULLINGER (1837-1913) was one of the most respected Bible scholars of the 19th century. He is author of numerous works including Commentary on Revelation, Great Cloud of Witnesses, and How to Enjoy the Bible.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/491436.The_Witness_of_the_Stars

Quote from: "~Souza~"
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There will be no "star witness" in the prelim. Sources tell us the various witnesses will form building blocks, making the case that Dr. Murray acted recklessly by administering Propofol and other drugs to Jackson the day he died.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-j ... -propofol/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-jacksons-son-will-not-be-witness-preliminary-hearing-conrad-murray-propofol/)

And now:
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Michael Jackson's producer/director for the "This Is It" tour will be a star witness for the prosecution in Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing which begins today  ... sources tell TMZ.

So what is it Harve? Make up your mind.

Good to see Kenny's back!

Does God exist or doesn't he?
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: PureLove on January 04, 2011, 10:19:26 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Okay the interesting thing is, I don't know if you believe it or not and if you have ever been on LKL blogs but there was an informer there. And 4 moths ago s/he wrote a couple of times with capital latters that there will be a STAR WITNESS in the upcoming Murray hearings and s/he also wrote that there will be TRIAL! I don't know if this can be a koinkidannk that TMZ chose this title for Kenny :D But I don't believe in koinkidankes in this hoax :D Just wanted to let you guys know about it. Everything is very well planned and there's nothing to worry about. That's how I feel.

Here are some of her posts about the issue. There were more about the Star Witness issue and I'll be finding more posts of the informer about it.

-The preliminary hearing will be in January 2011. Though by the time this is posted it will be old news. More surprises on the way.
-The Informer

August 23rd, 2010 11:49 pm ET


-It is too soon for the Star Witness. That will be for the trial. Today's surprise is the delay. There will be more surprises to come in the first week of September and the end of October for the final buildup in January 2011 and the the magical comeback. Always remember the missing video security tapes of the 25th, the missing Thome Thome, broke Conrad's mystery financing, the old man at the Memorial, Brooke's admittance of being given a speech to read, the invited close friends at the interment, the blank tomb which is historically recognized at Forest Lawn since the early 1950s as a solid block and is merely a decoration underneath the stained glass Last Supper window, Conrad's recorded video statement like Michael had done when he defended himself and most importantly follow the number 7 as it will keep appearing everywhere. This is Reality Film. Michael started planning his shocking comeback with a famous magician back in 2006.
-The Informer

August 27th, 2010 2:41 am ET

Thank you for posting this reminder! I remember something being said about it a few months ago. Yes, we definitely will need to keep watch on all of these events, for sure. Blessings!

Star witness is quite a common word, and the shit hit the fan in November/December, not September/Oktober. It's all known hoax info he posts, so I wouldn't rely on it too much.

Definitely I would rely on it because s/he wrote it a  couple of times in August. ;) And s/he wrote there will be a trial and star witness is going to be for the trial. And plus they had the power on the blog to tell the mods to ban some of the members. The mods definitely cooperated with them. :) The Informer and Michael L.O.V.E. And they both knew many things earlier.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: paula-c on January 04, 2011, 10:31:49 AM
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Ortega will testify, during the meeting, Dr. Murray said some "terrible things," showing a lack of concern and respect for Michael. Our sources would not reveal specifics, but we're told it's "damaging" to Murray.



I do not understand this, that want to see that Michael is a fool, if a doctor is disrespectful or has no interest in my or any person, simple, i do not see more, Kenny not said that Michael was in excellent condition? :?:  :?
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: MissG on January 04, 2011, 11:06:11 AM
I just would like to know why they use that pic of Murray  :lol:

He is saying "Uuuuuuuu"
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: Grace on January 04, 2011, 11:47:59 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
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There will be no "star witness" in the prelim. Sources tell us the various witnesses will form building blocks, making the case that Dr. Murray acted recklessly by administering Propofol and other drugs to Jackson the day he died.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-j ... -propofol/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/michael-jacksons-son-will-not-be-witness-preliminary-hearing-conrad-murray-propofol/)

And now:
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Michael Jackson's producer/director for the "This Is It" tour will be a star witness for the prosecution in Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing which begins today  ... sources tell TMZ.

So what is it Harve? Make up your mind.

Good to see Kenny's back!

No contradiction IMO.
A "star witness" could be understood as a
1) star witness
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In legal proceedings, a star witness is a witness who provides major and crucial information in a criminal case. In some instances, a case may have several star witnesses, and their testimony may cinch a conviction or acquittal, especially when handled by a skilled lawyer.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-star-witness.htm
2) VIP witness
3) acting witness (starring a witness)

There's a movie "The Star Witness" from 1931
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Members of a family witness two murders, but the gang uses threats, violence and kidnapping to try to keep the members from testifying.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0022430/

There's http://www.starwitness.com for the fight against "the bad guys"
and
http://starwitnessinfo.blogspot.com/2009/01/about-us.html:
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Our focus has always been to help law enforcement utilize video evidence to catch criminals. Some of our initial products were created specifically for the federal government.

There's a song "Star Witness" from Neko Case:
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Case: It was one of those things where there's gang violence and somebody gets shot right in front of you, and you live it and it's horrible. And, of course, it doesn't make the news because the kid is black. Nobody gives a shit except for his family, and you see how much nobody gives a shit and it's fucking heartbreaking. He wasn't even the kid they were looking to shoot. He was just some kid who they mistook for somebody else and they shot him. I saw it happen. I didn't make the song about me either. The song is pieces of different people but the event is in there.
http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858578861/

A star witness in the hearing could then mean: "It is about a fight against bad guys."

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The next day -- June 20 -- an emergency meeting was held at Michael's home.  Kenny Ortega, several big wigs from AEG, Michael, and Dr. Conrad Murray were present.  We're told the meeting was "intense, loud and argumentative."
Sounds like a supersoaker party to me...

 
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Kenny read Michael the riot act, imploring him to take better care of himself because the tour was imminent.
 

"To read the riot act" is an established expression.
However it could as well be split into pieces and would then translate into:
Kenny read the riot act (act of an event / theater performance) to Michael - he read the story book to Michael.

A riot may be this:
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1. A wild or turbulent disturbance created by a large number of people.
2. Law A violent disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled for a common purpose.
3. An unrestrained outbreak, as of laughter or passions.
4. A profusion: The garden was a riot of colors in August.
5.
a. Unrestrained merrymaking; revelry.
b. Debauchery.
6. Slang An irresistibly funny person or thing: Isn't she a riot?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/riot

So Kenny read the most irresistibly funny part of a storybook?

I'm glad there was a turnaround.

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Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: Datroot on January 04, 2011, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
I just would like to know why they use that pic of Murray  :lol:

He is saying "Uuuuuuuu"


He is saying DATROOOOOOOT
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: suspicious mind on January 04, 2011, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
I just would like to know why they use that pic of Murray  :lol:

He is saying "Uuuuuuuu"

maybe because it is from the video that people think was michael. also kenny is pictured in between murry and michael. could he be a go- between? :?
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: MissG on January 04, 2011, 01:00:36 PM
Yes, Murray "saved" Michael from Kenny´s concerts somehow?
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: nefari on January 04, 2011, 01:01:36 PM
*Datroot*: LOL!!!!!!!!!!! He's saying Da Trooooooooooooooooooooot.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 04, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
If Michael was really ill on the 19th...  why didnt Kenny INSIST that Michael went to the hospital???

If Dr Murray was being an arse and being arrogant..  why didnt he drag MJ out of there, or call an ambulance>??

Shouting at MJ and reading him the riot act doesnt seem caring to me.   :?

Why didnt Kenny ring up Katherine and tell her what was going on????  

I dont believe this to be true.  Kenny is covering his own backside here.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: suspicious mind on January 04, 2011, 01:32:23 PM
baring false witness.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: Sinderella on January 04, 2011, 01:55:38 PM
Ustream link if anyone wants it

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/conrad-murray-back-in-court
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: PeaceLoveHappiness on January 04, 2011, 01:57:14 PM
It sounds to me like Kenny's testimony will actually support Murray more than hurt him.  

In other words, Michael was ill on the 19th, Murray tended to him resulting in Michael giving his best rehearsals on the 23rd and 24th, and then died on the 25th.  Well Murray has said all along that he was concerned that Michael might be getting too reliant on the propofol so he started cutting back the doses.  Then after he walked out of the room, a desperate Michael self injected the lethal dose.

Why was Michael so desperate to sleep so that he could perform well?  Because Randy Phillips had told him that the concerts were essentially a do or die situation.  So the defense will claim that if Michael (in his ill state) hadn't felt so cornered to perform, he wouldn't have self injected on the first place.  Therefore the guilty party would be AEG for forcing a sick Michael to perform anyway.
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: pepper on January 04, 2011, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Quote from: "pillekelille"
Our sources tell us ... Kenny Ortega will testify that on June 19, 2009 -- a week before MJ died -- Michael complained he was cold, had the shakes and was unable to perform ... so the rehearsal was canceled.


I think that the story about being cold around the 19th lines up with the nurses story who said she got a call from Michael saying that one side of his body was hot and the other was cold, right?


June 19, 2009 was a Friday. June 20 (the meeting at the house) was Saturday. According to this article, the phone call to the nurse (from an MJ staff member) was Sunday, June 21, which was Father's Day.  So according to this timeline, Friday he was hot/cold and they canceled rehearsal, the next day they read him the "riot act", he was hot/cold AGAIN the day after that (Father's Day Sunday), I don't know what happened Monday, then Tuesday and Wednesday he had the best rehearsals of all...

"Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse whose specialty includes nutritional counseling, said that she repeatedly rejected his demands for the drug, Diprivan, which is given intravenously.

But a frantic phone call she received from Jackson four days before his death made her fear that he somehow obtained Diprivan or another drug to induce sleep, Lee said.

While in Florida on June 21, Lee was contacted by a member of Jackson's staff.

"He called and was very frantic and said, 'Michael needs to see you right away.' I said, 'What's wrong?' And I could hear Michael in the background ..., 'One side of my body is hot, it's hot, and one side of my body is cold. It's very cold,"' Lee said.

"I said, 'Tell him he needs to go the hospital. I don't know what's going on, but he needs to go to the hospital ... right away."

"At that point I knew that somebody had given him something that hit the central nervous system," she said, adding, "He was in trouble Sunday and he was crying out."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=cp_e0630119A.xml&show_article=1)
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Who else did Michael call on that Father's Day?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/200 ... -21482316/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/06/30/michael-jackson-s-secret-dance-album-with-will-i-am-115875-21482316/)

Holding back tears before the Black Eyed Peas gig on the Jazz World stage, Will said: “The last time I spoke to Michael was on Father’s Day.

“He called me to wish me happy Father’s Day even though I don’t have any children.

“He said, ‘I just wanted to call and say have a good day anyway.’

“I told him, ‘OK, I will grab my crotch and wish myself happy Father’s Day for all my unborn children.’ He laughed and said, ‘You’re so funny.’

I tried calling him last week but he was always in rehearsals. It’s so sad. He was my friend and the biggest inspiration of my life. I’m going to miss him.”
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: MJonmind on January 04, 2011, 02:13:17 PM
Serenety_Dream, good point. I have read much on that site of Bullinger in the past.
Interesting that a Star was the witness to the world of Jesus' birth. Indirectly the Bible talks about the 12 constellations. There are 12 sons of Israel, and 12 disciples, and also when Joseph (a pre-type of Jesus) dreams, his 11 brothers are stars that bow down to him plus his parents the sun and moon.
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http://www.askelm.com/star/star006.htm
Astronomy and the Birth of Jesus

The essential factor in interpreting the symbol of Revelation 12:1–5 is the identification of the woman. What is John signifying by mentioning her? This much is certain: the woman in the first three verses is featured as being in heaven and both the Sun and the Moon are in association with her. After the dragon casts down a third of the stars of heaven (Revelation 12:4), the woman is then found on earth (verses 6 and 14). But the important factor is the birth of the man-child and the Woman’s relationship with the heavenly signs while she is symbolically in heaven. (The first three verses of Revelation 12 shows the Sun clothing her, the Moon under her feet and the Twelve Stars on her head).

The “birth” of the Messiah is associated with this heavenly spectacle. Since some noted heavenly bodies are a part of the picture, it could well be that John intended the woman to represent a constellation that the two primary luminaries transverse, and that she was a part of the zodiacal system which gives headship to the signs (the Twelve Stars were a “crown” upon her head). Recall that interpreting astronomical signs dominated the thinking of most people in the 1st century, whether the people were Jews or Gentiles. Indeed, the word “sign” used by the author of the Book of Revelation to describe this celestial display was the same one used by the ancients to denote the zodiacal constellations. 17....

Bullinger, in his book The Witness of the Stars (pp. 29–34), said that the word “Spica” has, through the Arabic, the meaning “the branch” and that it symbolically refers to Jesus who was prophetically called “the Branch” in Zechariah 3:8 and 6:12. And Bullinger (and Seiss in his book The Gospel in the Stars) maintains that this sign of Virgo designates the heavenly witness for the birth of the Messiah (Jesus). They say that Virgo should actually begin the zodiacal signs which give the story of the Messiah. This may be. The apostle John may have given the same indication as far as the first full sign of the zodiac is concerned. He depicted the woman of Revelation as having a crown of Twelve Stars on her head.

I also don't trust any of those so-called informers, though if they are assigned, each of them may present some truths mixed with falsehood to cloud the story, which has been happening since day 1. TS is the only one IMO that is stable.

Interesting info on "reading the riot act".
This is all building up to a very entertaining show!

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Pepper
I told him, ‘OK, I will grab my crotch and wish myself happy Father’s Day for all my unborn children.’ He laughed and said, ‘You’re so funny.’
:lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: 'This Is It' Producer -- Star Witness in MJ Prelim
Post by: Sinderella on January 04, 2011, 05:50:38 PM
5 members of the public are allowed to be present,this is done via a lottery(LOL)
so ridiculous and then handed the rules for court

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