Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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People vs. Dr. Conrad Murray (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/04/michael-jackson-doctor-conrad-murray-preliminary-hearing-trial-witness-propofol-death/)
1/4/2011 12:10 PM PST by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's Assistant Testifies
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The prosecution began to paint a picture of Dr. Conrad Murray's reckless actions on the night MJ passed away ... by calling to the stand the Jackson assistant Murray telephoned before he called 911.
Michael Amir Williams testified that he received a frantic voicemail from Murray at 12:13 PM on June 25, 2009. Williams said Murray's VM said, "Where are you? Get here right away, hurry."
Williams says he then called Alberto Alvarez, MJ's security guard, and asked Alvarez to walk to the front door. Williams says he heard Murray's voice in the background, then Alvarez hung up.
Williams said that later on at the hospital, Murray approached him and said Michael had some cream in his room that Murray knew MJ wouldn't want the world to know about. Williams said he wanted someone to give him a ride back to MJ's house to retrieve it.
Murray's baby mama, Nicole Alvarez, was in court today -- but ordered to return on Friday. Murray was on the phone with Alvarez when he realized MJ was in trouble.
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"Murray was on the phone with Alvarez when he realized MJ was in trouble." :?:
Wasn't Alvarez in the house that day? He called 911. What phone, who Murrey was oln the phone with Alvarez? Is it my English or journalist's? :roll:
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What is this cream?? :lol:
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What is this cream?? :lol:
If I recall right they said after June 25 that they found lots of bleeching creme in the mansion. Something that sounds pretty weird to me, since he was pretty light already and there would be no need for that amount of bleeching cream IMO. I do have another thought on that 'cream' though, but I'll wait this thing out first.
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What is this cream?? :lol:
If I recall right they said after June 25 that they found lots of bleeching creme in the mansion. Something that sounds pretty weird to me, since he was pretty light already and there would be no need for that amount of bleeching cream IMO. I do have another thought on that 'cream' though, but I'll wait this thing out first.
What kind? hemorroid cream or what? Nothing to the ashame of anyway.
Why so much mystery with the "cream"? Bleaching cream makes no sense. May be ice cream?
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What is this cream?? :lol:
If I recall right they said after June 25 that they found lots of bleeching creme in the mansion. Something that sounds pretty weird to me, since he was pretty light already and there would be no need for that amount of bleeching cream IMO. I do have another thought on that 'cream' though, but I'll wait this thing out first.
What kind? hemorroid cream or what? Nothing to the ashame of anyway.
Why so much mystery with the "cream"? Bleaching cream makes no sense. May be ice cream?
whipped cream :twisted:
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The prosecution began to paint a picture of Dr. Conrad Murray's reckless actions on the night MJ passed away ... by calling to the stand the Jackson assistant Murray telephoned before he called 911.
Michael Amir Williams testified that he received a frantic voicemail from Murray at 12:13 PM on June 25, 2009. Williams said Murray's VM said, "Where are you? Get here right away, hurry."
Dr. Murray: Please Hold ... MJ is Dying
11/9/2009 10:00 PM PST by TMZ Staff
We've learned Dr. Murray was on a cell phone with his girlfriend from Houston between 12:03 and 12:13 PM on June 25, 2009 -- the day Jackson died.
Sources say the girlfriend told LAPD detectives about 5 minutes into the call, she heard Dr. Murray abruptly drop the phone and then heard him administer CPR. The girlfriend said there was no indication Dr. Murray knew anything was amiss before dropping the telephone.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/10/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol-cellphone-cell-phone-call-lapd
Murray disconnected from the call to the girlfriend, dialed the assistants number, the voicemail picked up after how ever many rings, Murray listened to the outgoing voicemail greeting and then left that message for the assistant...all at 12:13. Amazing!
Williams says he then called Alberto Alvarez, MJ's security guard, and asked Alvarez to walk to the front door. Williams says he heard Murray's voice in the background, then Alvarez hung up.
So Murray was at the front door and not in the upstairs bedroom administering CPR?
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What is this cream?? :lol:
If I recall right they said after June 25 that they found lots of bleeching creme in the mansion. Something that sounds pretty weird to me, since he was pretty light already and there would be no need for that amount of bleeching cream IMO. I do have another thought on that 'cream' though, but I'll wait this thing out first.
What kind? hemorroid cream or what? Nothing to the ashame of anyway.
Why so much mystery with the "cream"? Bleaching cream makes no sense. May be ice cream?
whipped cream :twisted:
That´s the one i meant :lol: oopsss
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"Murray was on the phone with Alvarez when he realized MJ was in trouble." :?:
Wasn't Alvarez in the house that day? He called 911. What phone, who Murrey was oln the phone with Alvarez? Is it my English or journalist's? :roll:
Alvarez his girlfriend... bodyguard and Murray girlfriend have same surname
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What is this cream?? :lol:
If I recall right they said after June 25 that they found lots of bleeching creme in the mansion. Something that sounds pretty weird to me, since he was pretty light already and there would be no need for that amount of bleeching cream IMO. I do have another thought on that 'cream' though, but I'll wait this thing out first.
What kind? hemorroid cream or what? Nothing to the ashame of anyway.
Why so much mystery with the "cream"? Bleaching cream makes no sense. May be ice cream?
Because, If MJ did die and he was murdered... this is an excuse from Murray.
Murray wanted to get back to the house to hide evidence, so he told the bodyguards he needed to go back to get this skin cream. It was a lie.
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What is this cream?? :lol:
If I recall right they said after June 25 that they found lots of bleeching creme in the mansion. Something that sounds pretty weird to me, since he was pretty light already and there would be no need for that amount of bleeching cream IMO. I do have another thought on that 'cream' though, but I'll wait this thing out first.
What kind? hemorroid cream or what? Nothing to the ashame of anyway.
Why so much mystery with the "cream"? Bleaching cream makes no sense. May be ice cream?
I read before that once someone begins bleaching their skin, they must continue to do so because the pigmentation could actually start to come back in. I know that doesn't sound very scientific, but the article I read was worded much better. So I think Michael continues to apply cream to the portions of his body that haven't lost their pigmentation from the vitiligo.
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Sorry for my ignorance, but as TMZ knows in detail what Williams stated this :?:
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The prosecution began to paint a picture of Dr. Conrad Murray's reckless actions on the night MJ passed away ... by calling to the stand the Jackson assistant Murray telephoned before he called 911.
Michael Amir Williams testified that he received a frantic voicemail from Murray at 12:13 PM on June 25, 2009. Williams said Murray's VM said, "Where are you? Get here right away, hurry."
Dr. Murray: Please Hold ... MJ is Dying
11/9/2009 10:00 PM PST by TMZ Staff
We've learned Dr. Murray was on a cell phone with his girlfriend from Houston between 12:03 and 12:13 PM on June 25, 2009 -- the day Jackson died.
Sources say the girlfriend told LAPD detectives about 5 minutes into the call, she heard Dr. Murray abruptly drop the phone and then heard him administer CPR. The girlfriend said there was no indication Dr. Murray knew anything was amiss before dropping the telephone.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/10/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-propofol-cellphone-cell-phone-call-lapd
Murray disconnected from the call to the girlfriend, dialed the assistants number, the voicemail picked up after how ever many rings, Murray listened to the outgoing voicemail greeting and then left that message for the assistant...all at 12:13. Amazing!
Williams says he then called Alberto Alvarez, MJ's security guard, and asked Alvarez to walk to the front door. Williams says he heard Murray's voice in the background, then Alvarez hung up.
So Murray was at the front door and not in the upstairs bedroom administering CPR?
Fox News is published court room notes are contradicting this also...
Are these reporters even in the same court room?
Inside the Preliminary Hearing of Dr. Conrad Murray
January 4, 2011
Fox News Reporter Sally Arthy was in court today for the preliminary hearing of Michael Jackson’s Doctor Conrad Murray. Here are her notes from inside the courtroom.
June 25
Only 2 people in room at the time— MJ and Dr. Murray
11:51am call- lasted 11 mins..witness heard noises at other end of phone
Likely Conrad Murray who realized MJ was not breathing.
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/04/courtroom-notes-inside-the-preliminary-hearing-of-dr-conrad-murray/
Conrad Murray's Call Before Michael Jackson 911
2/16/2010 1:42 PM PST by TMZ Staff
Minutes before Dr. Conrad Murray realized Michael Jackson was in deep distress, he left a voicemail for a patient about his heart scan.
News of the World published the voicemail, in which Dr. Murray informed Bob Russell about his heart scan.
Dr. Murray left the voicemail at 11:54 AM.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/16/conrad-murrays-voicemail-michael-jackson-911-lapd/3
Cops: Doc on Phone While MJ Not Breathing
Aug. 26, 2009
Police say that, after Murray found Jackson unconscious, he called his office and stayed on the phone for a full half-hour, "Early Show" national correspondent Hattie Kauffman reported on the broadcast Wednesday.
A police affadavit says Murray found Jackson not breathing at 11 a.m. the day the singer died. But the 911 call wasn't made until 12:21 p.m. And now, cell phone records show Murray made 47 minutes worth of other calls.
At 11:18 a.m., Murray made a 32-minute call to his office in Las Vegas
32+18 = 50, yet the next call is at 11:49 not 11:50
At 11:49 a.m., he called another Las Vegas phone number for 3 minutes.
49+3 = 52, yet the next call is at 11:51 not 11:52
And at 11:51 a.m., he called Houston for 11 minutes.
51+11 = 12:02 pm, so there is time to call the girlfriend but it isn't in this time line except the next call is at 12:12 pm yet Murray was talking to the girlfriend until 12:13 pm
Then at 12:12 p.m., he called a Jackson associate for one minute.
TMZ says that Murray was on the phone from 12:03 until 12:13 pm with his girlfriend, no mention of that call in this time line (she lives in Santa Monica). The Assistant testified he received the voicemail call also at 12:13
Kauffman reported the police affidavit shows these calls happened while Jackson was unconscious in his bed and Murray was performing CPR.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/26/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main5266204.shtml
So was Murray at the front door, on the phone or upstairs administering CPR?
There is no mention of the reported call to a patient in which Murray left a voice message. This call was supposedly made at 11:54 but the call made at 11:51 lasted 11 minutes so that is also impossible. :?
And finally, there are numerous reports that Murray made THREE calls from his cell phone before calling 911. I count 6 calls with conflicting times plus the 911...
7 8-)
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What a mess... :lol:
This was to be expected. These two weeks will be a wake-up call. People will start questioning. I think that is it's purpose.
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What a mess... :lol:
This was to be expected. These two weeks will be a wake-up call. People will start questioning. I think that is it's purpose.
totally agree :D a cardiologist who couldn't do the CPR :lol:
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What a mess... :lol:
This was to be expected. These two weeks will be a wake-up call. People will start questioning. I think that is it's purpose.
totally agree :D a cardiologist who couldn't do the CPR :lol:
Yeah, ain't that hilarious? This movie just turned into a comedy again.
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Faheen also said after Michael was pronounced dead at UCLA, Dr. Murray told him he was hungry and wanted to leave. Faheen said he told Murray to eat at the hospital, but Murray left.
lmao
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Someone on the chat mentioned the cream being something they were using for his skin condition. But it was an odd mixture of something. The chat kept breaking up and I could not get the gist of what they were describing.
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Specific skin creams for Vitiligo have to be applied on a continuous basis or else the skin will fall back to it's original splotched coloration. Many of the creams contain trace amounts of Mercury and many are illegal for sale in the US. One of the most common is called Diana Cream.
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People vs. Dr. Conrad Murray[/url]
1/4/2011 12:10 PM PST by TMZ Staff
Michael Amir Williams testified that he received a frantic voicemail from Murray at 12:13 PM on June 25, 2009. Williams said Murray's VM said, "Where are you? Get here right away, hurry."
Witness: Michael Jackson Doctor Interrupted CPR
By THOMAS WATKINS Associated Press Writer LOS ANGELES March 22, 2010
Alvarez told police he arrived at Jackson's home around 10:20 a.m. He was awaiting instructions for the day in a security trailer outside Jackson's rented mansion when, at 12:17 p.m., his phone rang. It was Williams.
People vs. Dr. Conrad Murray[/url]
1/4/2011 12:10 PM PST by TMZ Staff
Williams says he then called Alberto Alvarez, MJ's security guard, and asked Alvarez to walk to the front door. Williams says he heard Murray's voice in the background, then Alvarez hung up.
Witness: Michael Jackson Doctor Interrupted CPR
By THOMAS WATKINS Associated Press Writer LOS ANGELES March 22, 2010
Williams told Alvarez that Murray had just called to say Jackson was in trouble. Alvarez rushed into the mansion and up the stairs to Jackson's room, where he saw Murray standing at the pop star's bedside, performing CPR with one hand, according to the statements.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=10173490&page=4
hmmm...seems the story is kind of different
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Reading all this...this all looks so real..
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AHEEN MUHAMMED
One of Michael’s other bodyguards, said he and and guard Alberto Alvarez saw Murray crouched next to Jackson's bed "in a panicked state asking, 'Does anyone know CPR?'" "I looked at Alberto because we knew Dr. Murray was a heart surgeon, so we were shocked," Muhammed said
When defense lawyer Ed Chernoff asked if perhaps Murray was only asking for help because he was tired, Muhammed said "The way that he asked it is as if he didn't know CPR."
March 22, 2010: Murray told the men it was his first time performing CPR, Alvarez said, though Chernoff said Murray had administered CPR many times before.
Muhammed, the third witness on the opening day of the hearing, said he never saw Murray performing CPR on Jackson before paramedics arrived and carried him to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center.
March 22, 2010: On the day Jackson died, Murray waited until the bags were filled before telling Alvarez to call 911, according to Alvarez's statement. "I need an ambulance as soon as possible," Alvarez told a dispatcher. "We have a gentleman here that needs help and he's not breathing."
The dispatcher told Alvarez to put Jackson on the floor. At that moment, Muhammad rushed into the room and began helping with chest compressions while Murray attempted mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
Jackson's two oldest children, Prince and Paris, were at their father's bedroom door as the drama unfolded just after noon on June 25, 2009, Muhammed said. "Paris was on the floor on her hands and knees and she was just crying," he said.
March 22, 2010: Two of the star's children, Prince and Paris, came in the room and cried as they saw Murray trying to save their father. A nanny was called to usher them away and they were taken to wait outside in a vehicle.
At the hospital, after the death had been called, Williams said he saw Murray crying.
Murray asked Williams if he or someone else could take him back to the mansion so he could pick up the cream, according to Williams' statement.
Williams said he didn't think it was a good idea for Murray to return to the house. He spoke to Muhammad and they agreed they wouldn't take Murray back. They concocted a story that police had taken all the keys to the vehicles as part of the investigation.
Murray said he would take a cab, and Williams said he saw him leave the hospital through a side door.
March 22, 2010: The account was given to investigators by Alberto Alvarez, Jackson's logistics director, who was summoned to the stricken star's side as he was dying on June 25. His statement and those from two other Jackson employees also obtained by the AP paint a grisly scene in Jackson's bedroom.
Alvarez and the others who gave the statements, Jackson's personal assistant Michael Amir Williams and driver/bodyguard Faheem Muhammad, could be key witnesses should Murray go to trial. Except for the brief appearances by the nanny and the children, Alvarez and Muhammad were the only others in the room with Murray as he tried to save Jackson before paramedics arrived.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=10173490&page=1
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Reading all this...this all looks so real..
No, sorry if you have read all of my posts there are some pretty big inconsistencies especially with phone calls which are supposed to have come from Murray's actual phone records.
How many sets of phone records are there?
Why are all the call times incorrect, especially if this is from the actual phone records?
Why are only 3 calls reported as having been made by Murray, then it's 4 but there are as many as 7?
Why are some calls omitted from the record and how can all these calls be overlapping one another?
If you believe Michael is dead, why are you here?
There are boards for those who believe Michael is dead but this one is dedicated to investigating Michael's death hoax, which most of us firmly believe in or have many doubts about the "official" story.
You are not actually investigating anything and all of your posts are what I refer to as "SHIT DISTURBING".
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Well this is one hot freaking mess and it is just the first day.
Stories are conflicted everywhere.. According to the chef " Kai" something the children were all downstairs having lunch and got in a circle and prayed in the living room while all this was going on. I am sure this is on the board somewhere as there was an interview with Larry King and some others that she did after he went away.
Now someone says they were in the room watching??? Damn someone really needs those tapes from the house that are missing as this info so far is so inconsistant it is nuts.
I agree with you SerenityDreams about the phone calls. From what I remember right from the beginning there were 3 calls made. One of them was for an extended period of time and no one could find out who that call was to ( or no one was telling) now there are a multitude all around the same time?
People have had a very long period of time to think about this and to know their stories and if things were cut and dry and things happened as they did, there would not be these glaring inconsistancies with the members of the staff.
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If it's all a play the inconsistancies with the members of the staff still don't make sense.
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Reading all this...this all looks so real..
No, sorry if you have read all of my posts there are some pretty big inconsistencies especially with phone calls which are supposed to have come from Murray's actual phone records.
How many sets of phone records are there?
Why are all the call times incorrect, especially if this is from the actual phone records?
Why are only 3 calls reported as having been made by Murray, then it's 4 but there are as many as 7?
Why are some calls omitted from the record and how can all these calls be overlapping one another?
If you believe Michael is dead, why are you here?
There are boards for those who believe Michael is dead but this one is dedicated to investigating Michael's death hoax, which most of us firmly believe in or have many doubts about the "official" story.
You are not actually investigating anything and all of your posts are what I refer to as "SHIT DISTURBING".
I'm saving most of your posts, Serenity's 8-) You are a brilliant investigator!
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What a mess... :lol:
This was to be expected. These two weeks will be a wake-up call. People will start questioning. I think that is it's purpose.
totally agree :D a cardiologist who couldn't do the CPR :lol:
Yeah, ain't that hilarious? This movie just turned into a comedy again.
lets hope so :( :? its totally absurd this whole thing :shock:
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a cardiologist who knew how to do CPR...just asking for help.
so no, not hilarious to me anymore.
TMZ is now twisting things on purpose to make it look like a fake ridiculous trial. Why? God knows. I keep the opinion for myself.
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What a mess... :lol:
This was to be expected. These two weeks will be a wake-up call. People will start questioning. I think that is it's purpose.
totally agree :D a cardiologist who couldn't do the CPR :lol:
Yeah, ain't that hilarious? This movie just turned into a comedy again.
lets hope so :( :? its totally absurd this whole thing :shock:
Haha funny yes, that he didn't know how to do CPR. Conrad Murray a cardiologist? I place my question marks. Most people know how to do CPR right? Even if your not a cardiologist. But still...noone in the house didn't know how to do CPR? I find it neccesary that everyone knows how to do CPR, because it really can save lives!
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Kim, he knew and he did...
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Kim, he knew and he did...
Someone who does a CPR, but not right! Doesn't know how to do CPR! My opinion. I didn't say he did nothing.
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I'm saving most of your posts, Serenity's 8-) You are a brilliant investigator!
Thank you very much for the compliment and I am flattered.
But I am no smarter than anyone else, and have also been known to come to the wrong conclusion, or have totally missed the boat on several subjects regarding the hoax. :lol:
The hoax can sometimes be called "the land of confusion"!
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Maybe crazy to say, but I'm more and more convinced that this Murray guy is not a real doctor.
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Maybe crazy to say, but I'm more and more convinced that this Murray guy is not a real doctor.
Lol, I think Conrad Murray isn't even his name.
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Neither do I - I always suspected him of being an agent and I still think he helped MJ escape.
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Maybe crazy to say, but I'm more and more convinced that this Murray guy is not a real doctor.
Lol, I think Conrad Murray isn't even his name.
:lol: Yes! Also remarkable that there is so less info about this Murray guy on the internet. All I can find about this man has to do with MJ.
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Neither do I - I always suspected him of being an agent and I still think he helped MJ escape.
I never thought of the possibility of Murray being an agent, but it makes sense.