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Title: TIAI January 6
Post by: GodhaschosenMJ on January 05, 2011, 10:22:50 PM
http://twitter.com/MJHOAXLIVE/status/22813976341512192 (http://twitter.com/MJHOAXLIVE/status/22813976341512192)

Paramedics as testigying did not recogonize the patient to be michael jackson .....
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: willddoMJ on January 05, 2011, 10:37:53 PM
never heard that before, does this twitter have proof?
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Andrea on January 05, 2011, 10:46:34 PM
Indeed the paramedics didn't recognize the patient...because Michael was never their patient.  

From the TMZ article in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=17045 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=17045)

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Richard Senneff testified when he arrived at MJ's house and saw MJ, he looked like a hospice patient -- extremely frail.

IF there WAS a body there...maybe that explains the "looked like a hospice patient"... because the body was one. Someone who had recently died but not before volunteering his dying body...someone who was sick and frail and of course didn't resemble Michael Jackson.  A brave soul who knew he wouldn't live and offered what help he could?
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: bec on January 05, 2011, 10:54:03 PM
That's been a consistent story since day one, yes.  

I don't believe there was any actual body though. I think this is a fabricated story.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Andrea on January 05, 2011, 10:56:35 PM
Quote from: "bec"
That's been a consistent story since day one, yes.  

I don't believe there was any actual body though. I think this is a fabricated story.

Ya that part always bothered me - whether there was a body there that day or not.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: MJonmind on January 05, 2011, 11:07:36 PM
Somehow I think for acting purposes, wouldn't it be easier on major people involved to have an actual body and carrying out some tasks so they could picture things in their minds when in the testimony box. I think they at least carried out some mock scenes so everyone was on board with similar stories. I still think the AR was on a real dead person (maybe this one here) and coupled together with actual info on MJ's real body :oops: . Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: bec on January 05, 2011, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "bec"
That's been a consistent story since day one, yes.  

I don't believe there was any actual body though. I think this is a fabricated story.

Ya that part always bothered me - whether there was a body there that day or not.

To me an actual dead body is an actual crime. It's a crime to pass off a dead person as someone they are not, that's not a little thing either that's a big crime, federal and such. I have a hard time believing that he would be so careful about legality elsewhere in this hoax and let mishandling of a corpse and etc involved with that hang over his come back.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: bec on January 05, 2011, 11:11:52 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Somehow I think for acting purposes, wouldn't it be easier on major people involved to have an actual body and carrying out some tasks so they could picture things in their minds when in the testimony box. I think they at least carried out some mock scenes so everyone was on board with similar stories. I still think the AR was on a real dead person (maybe this one here) and coupled together with actual info on MJ's real body :oops: . Just my thoughts.

That's true as well, which leads me to believe if the emt's were deceived and unknowing parties in the hoax, that it was MJ himself playing dead on that stretcher. Which is possible considering Murray's reported "constant interference" at the scene, but same time doesn't explain the ambulance pic (which also shows one handed cpr by emt).
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Yambo3003 on January 05, 2011, 11:25:28 PM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Somehow I think for acting purposes, wouldn't it be easier on major people involved to have an actual body and carrying out some tasks so they could picture things in their minds when in the testimony box. I think they at least carried out some mock scenes so everyone was on board with similar stories. I still think the AR was on a real dead person (maybe this one here) and coupled together with actual info on MJ's real body :oops: . Just my thoughts.

That's true as well, which leads me to believe if the emt's were deceived and unknowing parties in the hoax, that it was MJ himself playing dead on that stretcher. Which is possible considering Murray's reported "constant interference" at the scene, but same time doesn't explain the ambulance pic (which also shows one handed cpr by emt).

Isn't the ambulance pic fake according to Brian Oxman?
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: bec on January 05, 2011, 11:28:41 PM
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Somehow I think for acting purposes, wouldn't it be easier on major people involved to have an actual body and carrying out some tasks so they could picture things in their minds when in the testimony box. I think they at least carried out some mock scenes so everyone was on board with similar stories. I still think the AR was on a real dead person (maybe this one here) and coupled together with actual info on MJ's real body :oops: . Just my thoughts.

That's true as well, which leads me to believe if the emt's were deceived and unknowing parties in the hoax, that it was MJ himself playing dead on that stretcher. Which is possible considering Murray's reported "constant interference" at the scene, but same time doesn't explain the ambulance pic (which also shows one handed cpr by emt).

Isn't the ambulance pic fake according to Brian Oxman?

*Loophole

Oxman was 99.9%* sure it was a fake in his opinion*.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Yambo3003 on January 05, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: bec on January 05, 2011, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Yambo3003 on January 05, 2011, 11:54:52 PM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.

That makes perfect sense. I''ve not seen that video that much (Leave Me Alone). I will in order to see the mannequin. They could have also made a new mannequin, you know...an update version. Just a thought!  :)
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: PureLove on January 06, 2011, 12:03:34 AM
So there was a body there but it didn't belong to Michael. But also Twiggy posted that today at the court, MJ's laying on the floor pictures were shown. Probably fake ones like the ambulance picture. And I remember something like there was a body which was already dead and they kept the air conditioner open to keep the body warm.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 06, 2011, 12:07:17 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.

Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:41 am
As for the corpse remember the story of Michael contacting the German doctor who does the human body Plastination?

Michael Jackson set to be embalmed at the O2 Centre after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing
By Daily Mail Reporter Created 3:07 PM on 26th June 2009
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1195750/Michael-Jackson-set-plastinated-missing-deadline-cryogenic-freezing.html

Now the previous story was full of untruths but maybe it's intention was to lead us to the corpse...

German doctor selling human body parts from his lab/museum
Jun 1, 2010  by Laura Trowbridge
Doctor Gunther von Hagens, known as Germany's 'Dr Death', has a new mail order store for anyone wanting to buy body parts.

The world's leading anatomist Dr von Hagens "invented Plastination at the University of Heidelberg in 1977, developed the use of plastinated specimens for medical education and preservation, and established the International Society for Plastination. More than 400 universities in 40 countries utilize Dr. Gunther von Hagens’ preservation technique in their curriculum."

Plastination is the process which preserves the bodies of both people and animals, replacing body fluids with hardened silicon.

According to Sky News, Dr von Hagen is now selling body parts from his Plastinarium in Guben, Germany.

There are all sorts of human body parts for sale. A cross section of a human body sells from £100 to £14,000. Animal body parts are also for sale.

The Plastinarium opened in 2006, but closed two years later for "refurbishment". However, Sky News reports that the project came under religious groups' heavy criticism before reopening just recently.

Religious leaders describe von Hagens' work as "voyeuristic". One priest called it a "sublime form of cannibalism, which violates human dignity."

Dr von Hagens argues that his work is educational and promotes better health, and he is doing nothing wrong because "corpses have no souls".

His bodies come from donors who agree that he can plastinate their bodies after they die.

His Body Worlds exhibits have been seen all over the world.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/292816

What if Michael did contact Dr von Hagens but not to discuss being Plastinated but actually met with him to procure a body or bodies for the hoax. This man has access to all kinds of corpses.

I also remember the old clue giver JCC saying "Germany is key" or something like that.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: RK on January 06, 2011, 12:08:04 AM
The one handed CPR by Murray. The one handed CPR in ambulance. The one handed man in HMH video. I'm trying to get the meaning here. Does it allude to sleight of hand like a magician. Not letting your right hand know what your left hand is doing?  Like losing your right hand? Who does one handed CPR? Even with babies it's with index and forefingers of both hands.
In the case of a decoy body, how illegal would it be if the deceased had changed  names by deed poll. Michael Jackson is not a rare name. Just thinking out loud. I have never thought there was another body, but those paramedics testifying that they didn't recognize the deceased as being THE Michael Jackson is causing me to at least entertain some differing scenarios in  my hoax assumptions. It doesn't seem plausable that there was another body, but that would mean there are a lot of people in on the hoax.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: bec on January 06, 2011, 12:13:07 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.

Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:41 am
As for the corpse remember the story of Michael contacting the German doctor who does the human body Plastination?

Michael Jackson set to be embalmed at the O2 Centre after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing
By Daily Mail Reporter Created 3:07 PM on 26th June 2009
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1195750/Michael-Jackson-set-plastinated-missing-deadline-cryogenic-freezing.html

Now the previous story was full of untruths but maybe it's intention was to lead us to the corpse...

German doctor selling human body parts from his lab/museum
Jun 1, 2010  by Laura Trowbridge
Doctor Gunther von Hagens, known as Germany's 'Dr Death', has a new mail order store for anyone wanting to buy body parts.

The world's leading anatomist Dr von Hagens "invented Plastination at the University of Heidelberg in 1977, developed the use of plastinated specimens for medical education and preservation, and established the International Society for Plastination. More than 400 universities in 40 countries utilize Dr. Gunther von Hagens’ preservation technique in their curriculum."

Plastination is the process which preserves the bodies of both people and animals, replacing body fluids with hardened silicon.

According to Sky News, Dr von Hagen is now selling body parts from his Plastinarium in Guben, Germany.

There are all sorts of human body parts for sale. A cross section of a human body sells from £100 to £14,000. Animal body parts are also for sale.

The Plastinarium opened in 2006, but closed two years later for "refurbishment". However, Sky News reports that the project came under religious groups' heavy criticism before reopening just recently.

Religious leaders describe von Hagens' work as "voyeuristic". One priest called it a "sublime form of cannibalism, which violates human dignity."

Dr von Hagens argues that his work is educational and promotes better health, and he is doing nothing wrong because "corpses have no souls".

His bodies come from donors who agree that he can plastinate their bodies after they die.

His Body Worlds exhibits have been seen all over the world.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/292816

What if Michael did contact Dr von Hagens but not to discuss being Plastinated but actually met with him to procure a body or bodies for the hoax. This man has access to all kinds of corpses.

I also remember the old clue giver JCC saying "Germany is key" or something like that.

Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted without proper paperwork and documentation.

I'm using total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 06, 2011, 12:17:23 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Yambo3003 on January 06, 2011, 12:29:19 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.

Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:41 am
As for the corpse remember the story of Michael contacting the German doctor who does the human body Plastination?

Michael Jackson set to be embalmed at the O2 Centre after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing
By Daily Mail Reporter Created 3:07 PM on 26th June 2009
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1195750/Michael-Jackson-set-plastinated-missing-deadline-cryogenic-freezing.html

Now the previous story was full of untruths but maybe it's intention was to lead us to the corpse...

German doctor selling human body parts from his lab/museum
Jun 1, 2010  by Laura Trowbridge
Doctor Gunther von Hagens, known as Germany's 'Dr Death', has a new mail order store for anyone wanting to buy body parts.

The world's leading anatomist Dr von Hagens "invented Plastination at the University of Heidelberg in 1977, developed the use of plastinated specimens for medical education and preservation, and established the International Society for Plastination. More than 400 universities in 40 countries utilize Dr. Gunther von Hagens’ preservation technique in their curriculum."

Plastination is the process which preserves the bodies of both people and animals, replacing body fluids with hardened silicon.

According to Sky News, Dr von Hagen is now selling body parts from his Plastinarium in Guben, Germany.

There are all sorts of human body parts for sale. A cross section of a human body sells from £100 to £14,000. Animal body parts are also for sale.

The Plastinarium opened in 2006, but closed two years later for "refurbishment". However, Sky News reports that the project came under religious groups' heavy criticism before reopening just recently.

Religious leaders describe von Hagens' work as "voyeuristic". One priest called it a "sublime form of cannibalism, which violates human dignity."

Dr von Hagens argues that his work is educational and promotes better health, and he is doing nothing wrong because "corpses have no souls".

His bodies come from donors who agree that he can plastinate their bodies after they die.

His Body Worlds exhibits have been seen all over the world.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/292816

What if Michael did contact Dr von Hagens but not to discuss being Plastinated but actually met with him to procure a body or bodies for the hoax. This man has access to all kinds of corpses.

I also remember the old clue giver JCC saying "Germany is key" or something like that.

Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted without proper paperwork and documentation.

I'm using total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.


I think this is too risky and disrespectful. The mannequin theory sounds better or the EMT's being part of the hoax. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: bec on January 06, 2011, 12:29:59 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.

You're completely right. I actually meant "I'm using total speculation to render that one implausible", which is why I edited it. I wrote it in a conversational sense and it didn't come across in type properly.

Even with your correction to a body donated for plastination is in my opinion cumbersome for the hoax and implausible. It's also super macabre with someone else's body which is not really the PR thing he seems to be going for in all this.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: brunob12 on January 06, 2011, 12:30:38 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.

Using a body of another person like this is a crime.

Any chance of the body being a wax doll? ANOTHER Elvis parallell? At this point it wouldn't surprises me.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: bec on January 06, 2011, 12:32:53 AM
Quote from: "brunob12"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.

Using a body of another person like this is a crime.

Any chance of the body being a wax doll? ANOTHER Elvis parallell? At this point it didn't surprises me.

Yes of course. Plenty of MJ wax figures around. And then the Lou Feregno statement shortl;y after 6/25 saying MJ liked to fool people by sending mannequins off in ambulances. You don't say Lou? I like the dummy theory more n more, but it does cancel out the sits up on stretcher pics as fake then doesn't it.

Bummer.

 :lol:
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 06, 2011, 12:46:29 AM
Quote from: "brunob12"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.

Using a body of another person like this is a crime.

How is it a crime?

The person isn't murdered or anything, they already died and donated their body to this Doctor.
The body could have been returned to him after the autopsy and then plastinated.
No one would ever know.

Quote
TIAI Update #5b: DO you Think 4 your Self?
In all three of these cases (9-9-09, Halloween, and January): there was a realistic possibility of a bam—and especially the last two. Nevertheless, even though there was no bam, there were significant events which fit very well with the three “R” ratings. The 9-9-09 “Resurrection”: movie poster, movie 7 weeks later, and autopsy finalized (you need a dead body for an autopsy,[/color] so no resurrection until finalized).

So how else do you get a body for an autopsy then?
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: brunob12 on January 06, 2011, 01:07:24 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "brunob12"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Pretty sure you'd have to have some major licensing to obtain one of these, and it's still a human body, even if a private person could obtain one, I can't imagine that's even close to legal to try and use one of these things to fool a set of real EMTs, ie send it on Weekend At Burnie's style walk about unescorted with proper paperwork and documentation.

Total speculation to render that one implausible.

Ps. A hunch says MJ started this rumor that he contacted this guy about being plastinated. Betcha a million dollar it's MJ made up BS for the media.
I didn't mean a plastinated body, I meant an unplastinated one. Before it had been plastinated. Maybe refrigerated hence the room being so warm, in summer, to heat it back up.

Now I am just going off on tangents here.

Everything on this entire forum is speculation.

Using a body of another person like this is a crime.

How is it a crime?

The person isn't murdered or anything, they already died and donated their body to this Doctor.
The body could have been returned to him after the autopsy and then plastinated.
No one would ever know.

Quote
TIAI Update #5b: DO you Think 4 your Self?
In all three of these cases (9-9-09, Halloween, and January): there was a realistic possibility of a bam—and especially the last two. Nevertheless, even though there was no bam, there were significant events which fit very well with the three “R” ratings. The 9-9-09 “Resurrection”: movie poster, movie 7 weeks later, and autopsy finalized (you need a dead body for an autopsy,[/color] so no resurrection until finalized).

So how else do you get a body for an autopsy then?

One thing is to donate the body for academic purposes or whatever it is. The person/instituition is responsible for it, but it's not owner of it, doing whatever they want with it. They couldn't just borrow the body for MJ for a while to do whatever he had to do.

I don't know about the laws of USA, but I'm pretty sure that if I get a body from my university (who is there for academic purposes) to do whatever I need, I'll be in serious trouble. Legal trouble.

Well, who knows from wich body the autopsy came? It could be fake. I even remember someone here saying that could be the body of a dog. It could be lots of things. We will continue speculating until the truth comes out.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: curls on January 06, 2011, 01:22:41 AM
Can I just ask who is this Twiggy person who is suddenly being quoted all over the place?
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 06, 2011, 01:24:13 AM
Wouldn't they say if it was a fake body (wax figure)?
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: loyalfan on January 06, 2011, 03:48:50 AM
]I see this redirect as assurance to us that all is o.k.   .............................as if to tell us dont worry,i know there is a lot of doubt about,but i am telling you with this redirect............THERE WAS NO BODY........I AM O.K...............DONT WORRY xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: mjfansince4 on January 06, 2011, 04:01:07 AM
Quote from: "loyalfan"
]I see this redirect as assurance to us that all is o.k.   .............................as if to tell us dont worry,i know there is a lot of doubt about,but i am telling you with this redirect............THERE WAS NO BODY........I AM O.K...............DONT WORRY xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

agreed
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: diggyon on January 06, 2011, 04:45:31 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Yambo3003"
I don't think there was a body or someone playing *dead* in the ambulance. The EMT's would have notice it quickly. And if there was...it was not MJ. Wanna mess! Too many inconsistencies today!!  :roll:

The counter theory is that the EMTs are in on it which is prob most likely of all considering the 911 call almost certainly has to be fake and real emts don't come when you call the fake 911, lol.

*I think* for what that's worth, that the EMTs are in on it and the body is a dummy and the ambulance pic is real because its the MJ mannequin from the Leave Me Alone Video.

Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:41 am
As for the corpse remember the story of Michael contacting the German doctor who does the human body Plastination?

Michael Jackson set to be embalmed at the O2 Centre after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing
By Daily Mail Reporter Created 3:07 PM on 26th June 2009
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1195750/Michael-Jackson-set-plastinated-missing-deadline-cryogenic-freezing.html

Now the previous story was full of untruths but maybe it's intention was to lead us to the corpse...

German doctor selling human body parts from his lab/museum
Jun 1, 2010  by Laura Trowbridge
Doctor Gunther von Hagens, known as Germany's 'Dr Death', has a new mail order store for anyone wanting to buy body parts.

The world's leading anatomist Dr von Hagens "invented Plastination at the University of Heidelberg in 1977, developed the use of plastinated specimens for medical education and preservation, and established the International Society for Plastination. More than 400 universities in 40 countries utilize Dr. Gunther von Hagens’ preservation technique in their curriculum."

Plastination is the process which preserves the bodies of both people and animals, replacing body fluids with hardened silicon.

According to Sky News, Dr von Hagen is now selling body parts from his Plastinarium in Guben, Germany.

There are all sorts of human body parts for sale. A cross section of a human body sells from £100 to £14,000. Animal body parts are also for sale.

The Plastinarium opened in 2006, but closed two years later for "refurbishment". However, Sky News reports that the project came under religious groups' heavy criticism before reopening just recently.

Religious leaders describe von Hagens' work as "voyeuristic". One priest called it a "sublime form of cannibalism, which violates human dignity."

Dr von Hagens argues that his work is educational and promotes better health, and he is doing nothing wrong because "corpses have no souls".

His bodies come from donors who agree that he can plastinate their bodies after they die.

His Body Worlds exhibits have been seen all over the world.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/292816

What if Michael did contact Dr von Hagens but not to discuss being Plastinated but actually met with him to procure a body or bodies for the hoax. This man has access to all kinds of corpses.

I also remember the old clue giver JCC saying "Germany is key" or something like that.
If Michael really needed a corpse then all he had to do is contact any of his trusted doctors not some strange doctor in a different country in a different continent!!!!!! Makes sense, right?????
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: emeraldcity on January 06, 2011, 06:00:04 AM
Quote from: "loyalfan"
]I see this redirect as assurance to us that all is o.k.   .............................as if to tell us dont worry,i know there is a lot of doubt about,but i am telling you with this redirect............THERE WAS NO BODY........I AM O.K...............DONT WORRY xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I agree with you loyalfan.  I remember in one of Last Seven Word's videos the words NOBODY and NO BODY kept flashing on the screen.  It's all smoke and mirrors and illusion ... and we'll be kept guessing right up until the very end ;)
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: emeraldcity on January 06, 2011, 06:07:44 AM
Quote from: "curls"
Can I just ask who is this Twiggy person who is suddenly being quoted all over the place?

I've been wondering the same thing curls ... just who IS this Twiggy character and why haven't we heard of him/her before now??  :?
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Spike on January 06, 2011, 06:16:15 AM
Dr Von Hagens also uses the bodies for entertainment/artistic purposes. Apparently he is working with Lady Gaga to include his art in her show when it reaches Las Vegas.

Found this: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a231993/lady-gaga-to-use-corpses-in-stage-show.html

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Lady GaGa is allegedly planning to work with Gunther Von Hagens on a new stage set featuring preserved human bodies.

According to The Sun, the singer is considering the collaboration with the controversial 'Body Worlds' doctor in a bid to top the success of her 'Monster Ball' tour.

A source told the newspaper: "She is fascinated by Gunther's work and life. He grew up in Germany, a country she loves. He is quite a philosopher and has the kind of past she is drawn to.

"He was arrested and imprisoned after a student protest, braved the Metropolitan Police to stage the London autopsy and has ridden out the 'Body Worlds' controversy."

The added: "GaGa sees a kindred spirit and is hoping to meet him in New York. They've spoken over email and it's gone well. She is keen to have some 'Body Worlds' element in one of her shows, with Vegas being the obvious fit.

"It would be good to top this tour - which is already out there - with something nobody has done before, using dead bodies as part of a gig."

So if he can use them for a concert then why not a hoax/film?  ;)
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 06, 2011, 06:22:35 AM
Quote from: "emeraldcity"
Quote from: "curls"
Can I just ask who is this Twiggy person who is suddenly being quoted all over the place?

I've been wondering the same thing curls ... just who IS this Twiggy character and why haven't we heard of him/her before now??  :?

She believes MJ is alive, she knows Brian Oxman and she has interviewed Joe Jackson. She will also be attending the prelim everyday. There is a thread on here with her interview on a radio station and answering callers questions. Here is the thread (viewtopic.php?f=97&t=16916 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=16916))
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: ignisaeternus on January 06, 2011, 06:47:39 AM
She is a blogger who has been adamant re the hoax.  There is a thread here somewhere ( sorry, on my iPad, rushing around)!with her recent interview on radio.  Her blog has summaries re the hoax, theories etc.

Btw: was this a new redirect or did it go to her twitter again ( as this was the last redirect on 1/4)? The topic would be new as the twitter page would have refreshed- I was just wondering since we had that controversy on 1/5, too.
I'm so confused.

But yes, the paramedic didn testify he didn't recognize MJ.  To not recognize him would not be that unusual ( for example, was he wearing the weave/wig?). Dehydration changes appearance a bit; being thin etc, plus they did not expect to see MJ ( which influences perception) and I'm sure MJ in bed didn't look like MJ onstage.  So I could even believe that- if the autopsy description would match.  Which it doesn't. If MJ weighed 136 (per autopsy), that is not a bad weight for him.  Slim for most men, but he weighed less before.  One of the licenses from mid 2000 showed him as weighing 120. So, the frail statement didn't match. Also, then black/blue feet stAtement would have been in the autopsy, but wasn't. That discoloration would still be there, I think.
This is indeed another glaring Elvis parallel.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 06, 2011, 06:55:28 AM
Quote from: "ignisaeternus"
She is a blogger who has been adamant re the hoax.  There is a thread here somewhere ( sorry, on my iPad, rushing around)!with her recent interview on radio.  Her blog has summaries re the hoax, theories etc.

Btw: was this a new redirect or did it go to her twitter again ( as this was the last redirect on 1/4)? The topic would be new as the twitter page would have refreshed- I was just wondering since we had that controversy on 1/5, too.
I'm so confused.

But yes, the paramedic didn testify he didn't recognize MJ.  To not recognize him would not be that unusual ( for example, was he wearing the weave/wig?). Dehydration changes appearance a bit; being thin etc, plus they did not expect to see MJ ( which influences perception) and I'm sure MJ in bed didn't look like MJ onstage.  So I could even believe that- if the autopsy description would match.  Which it doesn't. If MJ weighed 136 (per autopsy), that is not a bad weight for him.  Slim for most men, but he weighed less before.  One of the licenses from mid 2000 showed him as weighing 120. So, the frail statement didn't match. Also, then black/blue feet stAtement would have been in the autopsy, but wasn't. That discoloration would still be there, I think.
This is indeed another glaring Elvis parallel.

She was redirected the first time for her updates during court (so her twitter in general) then she was redirected again for a specific statement that said the paramedics could not recognize MJ.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: paula-c on January 06, 2011, 07:01:48 AM
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Andrea wrote:

Indeed the paramedics didn't recognize the patient...because Michael was never their patient.

From the TMZ article in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=17045


Richard Senneff testified when he arrived at MJ's house and saw MJ, he looked like a hospice patient -- extremely frail.

IF there WAS a body there...maybe that explains the "looked like a hospice patient"... because the body was one. Someone who had recently died but not before volunteering his dying body...someone who was sick and frail and of course didn't resemble Michael Jackson. A brave soul who knew he wouldn't live and offered what help he could?

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Richard Senneff testified when he arrived at MJ's house and saw MJ, he looked like a hospice patient -- extremely frail.


Hospice care is the care for the end of life given by health professionals and volunteers. They provide medical, psychological and spiritual support. These care aims to help people who are close to death to have peace, comfort and dignity. Persons providing such care seek to control pain and other symptoms, so that the patient to stay as aware and comfortable as possible. Hospice care programs also offer support to the family of the patient.
Generally expected that patients in hospice care live 6 months or less. Hospice care can be provided on:
In the patient's home
A hospice care center
A hospital
Specialized care facilities


I agree with Andrea, who died on June 25 or before the day before?
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: curls on January 06, 2011, 07:02:13 AM
Quote from: "MJhasSpoken"
Quote from: "emeraldcity"
Quote from: "curls"
Can I just ask who is this Twiggy person who is suddenly being quoted all over the place?

I've been wondering the same thing curls ... just who IS this Twiggy character and why haven't we heard of him/her before now??  :?

She believes MJ is alive, she knows Brian Oxman and she has interviewed Joe Jackson. She will also be attending the prelim everyday. There is a thread on here with her interview on a radio station and answering callers questions. Here is the thread (viewtopic.php?f=97&t=16916 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=16916))

Thanks for that. How does she get to attend the prelim every day? Is she a journalist? Is she a fan with a lucky lottery ticket every day?  Sorry, I'll read what she says, and store it away in my brain somewhere, but I can't believe as gospel anything some random blogger comes up with.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: liegi on January 06, 2011, 07:04:49 AM
This would account for Murray's nervousness too if he is involved with the coverup.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 06, 2011, 07:09:26 AM
Quote from: "curls"
Quote from: "MJhasSpoken"
Quote from: "emeraldcity"
Quote from: "curls"
Can I just ask who is this Twiggy person who is suddenly being quoted all over the place?

I've been wondering the same thing curls ... just who IS this Twiggy character and why haven't we heard of him/her before now??  :?

She believes MJ is alive, she knows Brian Oxman and she has interviewed Joe Jackson. She will also be attending the prelim everyday. There is a thread on here with her interview on a radio station and answering callers questions. Here is the thread (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpb ... 97&t=16916 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=16916))

Thanks for that. How does she get to attend the prelim every day? Is she a journalist? Is she a fan with a lucky lottery ticket every day?  Sorry, I'll read what she says, and store it away in my brain somewhere, but I can't believe as gospel anything some random blogger comes up with.

True, don't believe everything you hear no matter where it comes from but she has a media pass and since she knows Brian Oxman (it's not what you know its who you know) maybe he gave her a pass.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: taty_2crazy on January 06, 2011, 08:24:42 AM
How could the paramedics recognize Michael if there is no body .  :)  :)
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 06, 2011, 08:36:57 AM
Quote from: "taty_2crazy"
How could the paramedics recognize Michael if there is no body .  :)  :)

It was probably a dummy
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: BeTheChange on January 06, 2011, 09:05:28 AM
I think TS tried to steer us away from the 'no body' scenerio and it does make sense that if there was no body, then a lot more people would have to be involved in the hoax.  My bet would be TS' statement about there being both a dummy and a real corpse used at different times and places.

TIAI Update #4d: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof Hoax, Not Murder
4-37. Hints on the “How’s” of the Hoax
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7194&p=116959&hilit=+room#p116959 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7194&p=116959&hilit=+room#p116959)

In this update, I have gone into great detail about the timing of the hoax (as well as a few other aspects). Previously, I have gone into great detail about the reasons for the hoax {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}. That leaves only one frontier remaining: how did MJ succeed in pulling off this massive hoax?

I’m not going to go into great detail on that now, it would be very long—and this update is already the longest update by far. But I will give some hints, to help you go in the right direction if you want to investigate it further.

For starters, maybe it is time to create a sub-forum for Coherent Theories. By this, I mean theories that start putting all the pieces together, fitting into one bigger picture. But we can’t have MJ hopping on a plane at LAX, escaping out of a tunnel in the basement of UCLA, and riding alive in the helicopter to the coroner’s office, as well as in the other helicopter—all at the same time. This would not qualify as a coherent theory.

I think we already have a huge clue from Jermaine, telling us that MJ went to the “airport”—NOT the hospital. And in fact, it would’ve been very risky and unnecessary for him to ride alive in the ambulance to UCLA, and then go into UCLA where he could be easily recognized (and hard to play dead), and then try to escape somehow. What would be the point?

Based on the planned timing of the hoax, we should now be able to see very plainly that the living MJ body double theory doesn’t work. There is no chance that a living double just happened to die on the right year, the right day, and the right hour.

This leaves us with three possibilities. There was no body at all, which would require quite a few people to be “in on it”. There was a dummy, not a real human; this reduces the number of people “in on it”, and also makes it easy to duplicate the looks of MJ (but paramedics would need to be “in on it”, because they would not be fooled by a dummy). Or there was a real human corpse, which had recently died. In fact, at different times and places, there could’ve been more than one corpse and/or dummy used as needed.

Considering the corpse possibility: do you remember anything about the room being heated extra warm—in the summer of all times {http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-time-of-death-a-mystery/}? Maybe the room was heated to make the corpse feel warm, like it had just died. And do you remember the paramedics saying that MJ had been dead for more than an hour before they arrived—and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man? {http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/27/paramedics-jackson-dead-when-we-arrived/; http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-j ... c-arrest/; (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/;) http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-j ... -911-call/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-the-911-call/)}

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With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on January 06, 2011, 10:55:03 AM
John 14:29 (King James Version)
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
8-)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... =72&t=7194 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7194)
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4-37. Hints on the “How’s” of the Hoax

In this update, I have gone into great detail about the timing of the hoax (as well as a few other aspects). Previously, I have gone into great detail about the reasons for the hoax { search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts) }. That leaves only one frontier remaining: how did MJ succeed in pulling off this massive hoax?

I’m not going to go into great detail on that now, it would be very long—and this update is already the longest update by far. But I will give some hints, to help you go in the right direction if you want to investigate it further.

For starters, maybe it is time to create a sub-forum for Coherent Theories. By this, I mean theories that start putting all the pieces together, fitting into one bigger picture. But we can’t have MJ hopping on a plane at LAX, escaping out of a tunnel in the basement of UCLA, and riding alive in the helicopter to the coroner’s office, as well as in the other helicopter—all at the same time. This would not qualify as a coherent theory.

I think we already have a huge clue from Jermaine, telling us that MJ went to the “airport”—NOT the hospital. And in fact, it would’ve been very risky and unnecessary for him to ride alive in the ambulance to UCLA, and then go into UCLA where he could be easily recognized (and hard to play dead), and then try to escape somehow. What would be the point?

Based on the planned timing of the hoax, we should now be able to see very plainly that the living MJ body double theory doesn’t work. There is no chance that a living double just happened to die on the right year, the right day, and the right hour.

This leaves us with three possibilities. There was no body at all, which would require quite a few people to be “in on it”. There was a dummy, not a real human; this reduces the number of people “in on it”, and also makes it easy to duplicate the looks of MJ (but paramedics would need to be “in on it”, because they would not be fooled by a dummy). Or there was a real human corpse, which had recently died. In fact, at different times and places, there could’ve been more than one corpse and/or dummy used as needed.

Considering the corpse possibility: do you remember anything about the room being heated extra warm—in the summer of all times http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-t ... a-mystery/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-time-of-death-a-mystery/) ? Maybe the room was heated to make the corpse feel warm, like it had just died. And do you remember the paramedics saying that MJ had been dead for more than an hour before they arrived—and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man? http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/27/paramedic ... e-arrived/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/27/paramedics-jackson-dead-when-we-arrived/) http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-j ... ac-arrest/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/) http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-j ... -911-call/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-the-911-call/)

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4-38. Only a Few Would Need to Be “In On It”

Let me also clue you in on a few tricks, so that only a relatively few people would need to be “in on it”. The endlessly discussed helicopter ride to the coroner: it could’ve had a living and/or a dead body in it, but not MJ; and yet none of the people in the copter, or working that situation, would’ve had any clue that MJ was alive.

All you would need to do is create a diversion for the media and public: the helicopter and all would be a big show for the media, while they transport the (supposedly) “real” MJ’s body in an unmarked vehicle—this would keep MJ’s body safer. And all the people “involved” in that diversion operation would play right along, and obey without question like good little boys and girls, thinking all the while that MJ’s dead body was being transported in some unmarked vehicle (and not even questioning whether or not MJ was actually dead). And even if they suspected later that MJ is alive, how would they know? They would not know, they would just suspect it (like hoax believers).

The fact that it’s a criminal case is another good alibi for secrecy and cover-up; this way, nobody thinks twice when they’re told not to talk about what they did or did not see at UCLA on June 25 (or other times and places).

Some have said that Forest Lawn (FL) would need to be in on the hoax; and maybe they are, but maybe not. If there was an actual dead body used during at least some of the process: then a dead body could’ve been at FL, even though it was not MJ. And sooner or later, the family could say: “We’ve decided to bury MJ somewhere else; but for privacy and security reasons, we want the public to think that he is buried here.”

They might even have FL sign confidentiality agreements, promising not to let anyone know that MJ was not buried at FL. Of course FL would still get paid, because the family did purchase space there http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/04jackson.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/04jackson.html) ; and since FL got their money, they would not care where MJ was actually buried, and that would be the end of it—FL might never imagine that MJ is still alive.

Do I need to give any more hints? I think I’ve said enough already. Besides, you want some surprises left for after Bamsday, don’t you?
Review Time...This Pre-Lim Trial is actually hilarious to me. The first day when the media started to report on what is being said in the courtroom it already had a very familiar vibe to it. I have read almost every word for word in the testimony given now before this pre-lim trial ever started. The riot act as told by Kenny's testimony was in the Complaint filed by Katherine against AEG, and company including Kenny.  :ugeek:
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf (http://www.psandb.com/articles/mj-complaint.pdf)

Starting with Page 2 of this document/FICTION story:

3.  At the time of Michael Jackson’s death, Michael Jackson was in a contract with AEG that covered the production of a lengthy tour of live shows - the “This is It” Tour--featuring Michael Jackson.

That JUMPED out at me and said HELLO!
Why on earth would a REAL legal document word The This is It tour that way? With the hyphens like we see in TMZ articles and the quote marks emphasizing and drawing attention to that?

Then after trying to give this document the benefit of doubt on the chance it is legit, LMAO
This was the clincher for me to know from then on it is ALL RUBBISH and it is a work of fiction. The court papers only.  ;)

From Page 5
26. Around the same time in early May 2009, AEG retained Dr. Conrad Murray (“Murray“) to be Jackson‘s personal “concierge“ physician and to exclusively treat Jackson.

Really? Highlight the name ("Murray") like that? Like how we say his name here, last name only. lol
So many of the sentences were repeated only in a different way but, it just kept regurgitating the same thing over and over.

I do understand that this situation is NOT a joke it is very serious and it is being used to EXPOSE the CROOKS.

That document told exactly what happened in a first person narrative, by their accounts of what went down.

So I am not dismissing the words but, I am calling this document B.S. and hilarious to read.
I really felt like I was reading pages from a work of fiction/Novel.
http://books.google.com/books?id=whzu2C ... &q&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=whzu2CkgLqIC&lpg=PP1&dq=moonwalk%20michael%20jackson&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false)

This document is riddled with clues.
Peace

The "riot act" is highlighted for attention, and the date of May 8th is noted in the lawsuit... what a terrible thing to be incorporated into effect on my b-day month and day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Act)

United States
The principle of the Riot Act was incorporated into the first Militia Act (1 Stat. 264) of 8 May 1792. The act's long title was "An act to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions".

Section 3 of the Militia Act gave power to the President to issue a proclamation to "command the insurgents to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes, within a limited time", and authorised him to use the militia if they failed to do so. Substantively identical language is presently codified at chapter 15 of title 10, United States Code.
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Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"
In another thread I wrote that I'd read Leonard Rowe's book.  I was drawn to it, not because Rowe is a laudable figure from what's out there in the press, but because he
use to work for Michael, was fired, and then called back to work for him (accordingly to Rowe), a few months before 6/25/09.  I'm drawn to anything that continues to repeat this pattern of Michael re-employing people only months before that fateful day.  That is more than a coincidence.

Ultimately, Rowe's book is about AEG and the racism of concert promoters.  Weren't we discussing somewhere awhile ago that Murray's role is to expose all these jokers and ensnare them by any means necessary? So, is it farfetched to believe that Mrs. Jackson is helping Michael to do this and it's by design that on one end,  she is suing AEG and Joe Jackson is  on the other end suing Murray?

Then Murray's role is to ensnare everyone that Michael's trying to bring down including AEG and Arnie Klein.  What if Michael married Debbie to get the information he needed about Klein the way MJ may have done with LMP to get the information he needed about hoaxes?
MJ's song Morphine, is a song to say, I see what you're doing with your demerol, etc.
Perhaps MJ learned what Arnie Klein was really about with his drug pushing, he wrote a song about it, and got even more info about him when MJ married Debbie...probably very damaging info...

And, what does Back say about Klein and others:
"What is relevant is the immense potential for blowback. And i'm not going down alone."

11/6/09
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt) ... ost2353379

Re: TMZ Live -- Dr. Arnie Klein ... Take Two

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Calm thy nerves.......

Arnie IS on the de-Klein

He's desperate and scared sh*tless

Because he knows it's just a matter of tImE.......


Tables are meant to be turned!
And lying backstabbers shall reap what they sow.

Your so hitting the nail on the head.
I have noticed this theme as well and had drawn a conclusion...
Mike knows his enemies and lured them with the one thing he KNOWS backstabbers wont turn down and they will do  ANYTHING FOR MONEY!

Don't let the RIGHT HAND know what the LEFT HAND is doing.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
The best way to take down your enemy is to infiltrate them and become one of them.
Deep Undercover
Smooth Criminal  8-)

Almost every statement that was said in the beginning of the investigation in 2009 is being contradicted by a new statement now from the witnesses. I never read anything about there being more than Alveraz as a witness in Michael's room when he was supposedly getting CPR. The hoax is being told to the media, non-believers, etc.

This is awesome to watch.  8-)

Keep Watching!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... 80#p238380 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=14188&p=238380#p238380)
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 06, 2011, 11:31:35 AM
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TS said:
This leaves us with three possibilities. There was no body at all, which would require quite a few people to be “in on it”. There was a dummy, not a real human; this reduces the number of people “in on it”, and also makes it easy to duplicate the looks of MJ (but paramedics would need to be “in on it”, because they would not be fooled by a dummy). Or there was a real human corpse, which had recently died. In fact, at different times and places, there could’ve been more than one corpse and/or dummy used as needed.

Considering the corpse possibility: do you remember anything about the room being heated extra warm—in the summer of all times {http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-time-of-death-a-mystery/}? Maybe the room was heated to make the corpse feel warm, like it had just died. And do you remember the paramedics saying that MJ had been dead for more than an hour before they arrived—and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man?

This is the second quote, from 2 different posts by TS, suggesting that there was a "real" body used...and possibly more than one. I still say it is possible that Michael could have arranged this with the plastinating doctor because he has access to bodies, he can ship them around the world and have them shipped to him without any suspicion. He has his own plastination foundation and lab. There were reports that Michael had contacted him. The bodies are donated and there must be a contract in which the person donating the body agrees, that their body can be used in different types of things, even "artistically" as lady Gaga  is using his bodies for her shows. Honestly, I don't think this is as far fetched as some members have stated and it wouldn't be illegal.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: onemoretime on January 06, 2011, 12:08:04 PM
Just a remark about the self-proclaimed Doctor Death in this context, the doctor who uses plastination techniques to preserve corpses:
He has fought against Parkinson Disease for over two years now and the disease has changed his life completely. At the time of Michael's "death" he was already ill and most of his concentration was on his health.
He had brain surgery in the last years and was in hospital. There is no cure for the disease, it can only be made a little easier to endure.
He is preparing his own death in the near future as he says, closes many laboratories and many employees have to leave.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: Datroot on January 06, 2011, 12:52:37 PM
The Coroner's office probably has shedloads of John Do's to choose from.  People with no identity, on wich to perform an autopsy - for a small fee of course.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: paula-c on January 06, 2011, 01:13:39 PM
We all saw Michael at This Is It, seemed like a terminal patient, or a hospice patient? we are talking about the same person?
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on January 06, 2011, 02:09:23 PM
Does this mean somebody died on June 25th, just not Michael Jackson? :shock: :?
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: MJonmind on January 06, 2011, 03:24:49 PM
IMO the Dr. Death plasticized bodies are not life-like but for showing layers of body parts, good for Gaga's grotesque stage art, but not MJ's hoax. As TS has said a life-like dummy could have been used in places like for the ambulance pic, but a fresh dead body from the morgue (previous hospice) for the 911 bedroom scene with elevated temperature, hospital trip, and part of the autopsy (some was MJ for real-alive). I don't know that for a coherent theory to be decided on, all details can be included because some like the Jermaine--LAX airport slip might have been for false leads, just as many supposed informers purposes were--false leads mixed with some truth. We were all in a maze with deliberately placed dead ends, trying to find the correct path.
Title: Re: TIAI 1/06
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 07, 2011, 04:22:28 AM
YES OF COURSE, SOMEBODY ELSE DIED INSTEAD.....not Michael, no....
Title: Re: TIAI January 6
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 30, 2011, 03:05:06 PM
Going through old TMZ articles and this one popped out at me.

Michael Jackson's Body -- Hold the Plastic
6/27/2009 8:21 AM PDT by TMZ Staff  

While it may seem like the kind of thing Michael Jackson would do, reports that the late singer made plans to have himself "plastinated" and put on display are exaggerated.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/06/27/0627_michael_jackson_body_worlds_getty_80028891_88656575.jpg)

The director of publicity for Dr. Gunther von Hagens tells TMZ someone claiming to be from Jackson's management team
did contact BODY WORLDS several months ago about Jackson's interest in being preserved in plastic.


But, she says, "We can further confirm that Mr. Jackson is not now a registered body donor in the Institute for Plastination's Body Donation Program."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/27/michael-jacksons-body-hold-the-plastic/
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