Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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just in murrys defense just said mj might have been sippin on propofol
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People vs. Dr. Conrad Murray (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/04/michael-jackson-doctor-conrad-murray-preliminary-hearing-trial-witness-propofol-death/)
1/10/2011 12:05 PM PST by TMZ Staff
Defense: Michael Jackson Drank Propofol
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Michael Jackson may have drank himself to death by consuming a juice box laced with Propofol -- at least that's what Conrad Murray's defense team suggested in court today.
Murray's attorney, J. Michael Flanagan, was questioning a Senior Criminalist from the L.A. County Coroner's Office about the 70 grams of fluid found in MJ's stomach at the time of the autopsy ... fluid that tested positive for traces of Propofol.
Flanagan noted the presence of a juice box on MJ's nightstand ... and asked if it had been tested for Propofol ... raising the possibility that MJ was sippin' on the anesthetic shortly before he died.
The criminalist testified he had not tested the juice box.
So what's Flanagan's point? He might be suggesting that MJ was secretly self-administering his Propofol ... which would support Murray's defense theory that MJ accidentally caused his own overdose.
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What is a "juice box" - can anyone in the USA tell me? Is it a juice bottle??
This is going along the lines to explain the Propofol in the stomach from the AR.
If this is true.... what does Propofol do if you drink it? And who put it in the juice in the first place???
It could be that MJ didnt know it was in the juice.
Or if MJ put the Propofol in the juice, who else knew about this?
tch!
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Stupid defense. If it were true, who was paid to lace it? oh right Michael did it himself, with his favorite juice box. Maybe ppl will remember their lies this week, I mean lines.
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What is a "juice box"?????????????
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What is a "juice box" - can anyone in the USA tell me? Is it a juice bottle??
This is going along the lines to explain the Propofol in the stomach from the AR.
If this is true.... what does Propofol do if you drink it? And who put it in the juice in the first place???
It could be that MJ didnt know it was in the juice.
Or if MJ put the Propofol in the juice, who else knew about this?
tch!
A juice box is just that..... a juice box.
(http://nothingknew.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/juicebox.jpg)
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What is a "juice box" - can anyone in the USA tell me? Is it a juice bottle??
This is going along the lines to explain the Propofol in the stomach from the AR.
If this is true.... what does Propofol do if you drink it? And who put it in the juice in the first place???
It could be that MJ didnt know it was in the juice.
Or if MJ put the Propofol in the juice, who else knew about this?
tch!
A juice box is just that..... a juice box.
(http://nothingknew.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/juicebox.jpg)
Thankyou for the picture. We dont call them "juice boxes" where i come from. I had no idea what it was.
So.. how would MJ have got Propofol into that?????
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What is a "juice box" - can anyone in the USA tell me? Is it a juice bottle??
This is going along the lines to explain the Propofol in the stomach from the AR.
If this is true.... what does Propofol do if you drink it? And who put it in the juice in the first place???
It could be that MJ didnt know it was in the juice.
Or if MJ put the Propofol in the juice, who else knew about this?
tch!
A juice box is just that..... a juice box.
(http://nothingknew.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/juicebox.jpg)
Thankyou for the picture. We dont call them "juice boxes" where i come from. I had no idea what it was.
So.. how would MJ have got Propofol into that?????
No problem. See, that's the thing. I have no idea. I also don't understand how the defense is even using that, because even if the juice box was laced with it, wouldn't it STILL be Murray's fault? Since he's the doctor wouldn't he still be responsible for the medication and the overseeing of the medication?
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. no doubt someone is being funny. umm one of the defence attorneys is name j michaels. wasn't that like one of mikes aliases?
oh my could someone shoot it into the straw?
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What is a "juice box" - can anyone in the USA tell me? Is it a juice bottle??
This is going along the lines to explain the Propofol in the stomach from the AR.
If this is true.... what does Propofol do if you drink it? And who put it in the juice in the first place???
It could be that MJ didnt know it was in the juice.
Or if MJ put the Propofol in the juice, who else knew about this?
tch!
A juice box is just that..... a juice box.
(http://nothingknew.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/juicebox.jpg)
Thankyou for the picture. We dont call them "juice boxes" where i come from. I had no idea what it was.
So.. how would MJ have got Propofol into that?????
No its not like that DancingtheDream...they trying to say that MJ drunk a bottle of propofol...if im not wrong lol cuz im not N.American either
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What is a "juice box" - can anyone in the USA tell me? Is it a juice bottle??
This is going along the lines to explain the Propofol in the stomach from the AR.
If this is true.... what does Propofol do if you drink it? And who put it in the juice in the first place???
It could be that MJ didnt know it was in the juice.
Or if MJ put the Propofol in the juice, who else knew about this?
tch!
A juice box is just that..... a juice box.
(http://nothingknew.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/juicebox.jpg)
Thankyou for the picture. We dont call them "juice boxes" where i come from. I had no idea what it was.
So.. how would MJ have got Propofol into that?????
No its not like that DancingtheDream...they trying to say that MJ drunk a bottle of propofol...if im not wrong lol cuz im not N.American either
No they are not. They said that Michael drank from a juice box that was laced with propofol, not that he drank it straight.
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He has children. Does anyone really believe he would put Propofol into a juice box and would risk one of the children drinking that? I think the story is getting more and more ridiculous, isn't it?
Hoax hoax hoax!
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What is a "juice box" - can anyone in the USA tell me? Is it a juice bottle??
This is going along the lines to explain the Propofol in the stomach from the AR.
If this is true.... what does Propofol do if you drink it? And who put it in the juice in the first place???
It could be that MJ didnt know it was in the juice.
Or if MJ put the Propofol in the juice, who else knew about this?
tch!
A juice box is just that..... a juice box.
(http://nothingknew.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/juicebox.jpg)
Thankyou for the picture. We dont call them "juice boxes" where i come from. I had no idea what it was.
So.. how would MJ have got Propofol into that?????
DTD - What do you guys call them?
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He has children. Does anyone really believe he would put Propofol into a juice box and would risk one of the children drinking that? I think the story is getting more and more ridiculous, isn't it?
Hoax hoax hoax!
AGAIN.. reminds me of the "wine in coke cans" story from the trial. :shock:
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DTD - What do you guys call them?
In the UK we call them "cartons"
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This is getting ridiculous! Will they be featuring Murray/MJ in the next "Got Milk ?" ad??!!
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Michael Jackson Drank Propofol
That person in his right mind do something so :?:
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He has children. Does anyone really believe he would put Propofol into a juice box and would risk one of the children drinking that? I think the story is getting more and more ridiculous, isn't it?
Hoax hoax hoax!
AGAIN.. reminds me of the "wine in coke cans" story from the trial. :shock:
PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS... CAN ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS?????
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What is a "juice box"?????????????
A Juice box maybe likr featured in the 5ALIVE campaign?
;) :shock:
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DTD - What do you guys call them?
In the UK we call them "cartons"
Thanks!
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The HORROR of where this is leading. I don't like it one bit. My God I hope not but with Blanket not being mentioned as to his where a bouts during all of this and now a juice box which so often children drink out of......are you all following where this seems to be heading. And IF it heads there then I know Michael is not behind this because he would not dare. And whoever takes it in this direction needs to burn in hell.
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The HORROR of where this is leading. I don't like it one bit. My God I hope not but with Blanket not being mentioned as to his where a bouts during all of this and now a juice box which so often children drink out of......are you all following where this seems to be heading. And IF it heads there then I know Michael is not behind this because he would not dare. And whoever takes it in this direction needs to burn in hell.
I didn't think of that at all :(
I hope not, but lets not psych ourselves out by getting anxious.
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The HORROR of where this is leading. I don't like it one bit. My God I hope not but with Blanket not being mentioned as to his where a bouts during all of this and now a juice box which so often children drink out of......are you all following where this seems to be heading. And IF it heads there then I know Michael is not behind this because he would not dare. And whoever takes it in this direction needs to burn in hell.
But cant you see the comparison of the "Wine in Coke cans at Neverland" BS????
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He has children. Does anyone really believe he would put Propofol into a juice box and would risk one of the children drinking that? I think the story is getting more and more ridiculous, isn't it?
Hoax hoax hoax!
AGAIN.. reminds me of the "wine in coke cans" story from the trial. :shock:
Yes I agree that is a good comparison, also reminds me of the moonwalking dodo in the 5ALIVE campaign which continues to be more michaelesque on facebook.
:?
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The HORROR of where this is leading. I don't like it one bit. My God I hope not but with Blanket not being mentioned as to his where a bouts during all of this and now a juice box which so often children drink out of......are you all following where this seems to be heading. And IF it heads there then I know Michael is not behind this because he would not dare. And whoever takes it in this direction needs to burn in hell.
But cant you see the comparison of the "Wine in Coke cans at Neverland" BS????
I think the wine in the coke cans while flying was true. According to a flight attendant that testified during the trial, Michael did have wine put in diet coke cans while flying because he didn't like flying, but didn't want his kids or other kids on the flight to see him drinking alcohol.
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I wouldn't think that drinking propofol would have the same effect as having it administered intravenously. Surely Michael would know that.
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He has children. Does anyone really believe he would put Propofol into a juice box and would risk one of the children drinking that? I think the story is getting more and more ridiculous, isn't it?
Hoax hoax hoax!
AGAIN.. reminds me of the "wine in coke cans" story from the trial. :shock:
PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS... CAN ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS?????
Well, actually I think Michael actually did drink wine in coke cans, somewhere it said that (not sure if it's true) but it was so that his kids wouldn't know he was drinking wine. But I do agree, why would he risk the kids drinking that... :?
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Absolutely I see the huge similarities. All I'm saying is it gives me the creeps thinking if even there is one percent of a chance this is not a hoax, that some a-hole would dare implicate one of the children to save his or her own sorry arse. Does anyone know where Blanket was? Has this been mentioned from any source? I want that baby safe and sound and out of the danger of all of this idiocy.
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Absolutely I see the huge similarities. All I'm saying is it gives me the creeps thinking if even there is one percent of a chance this is not a hoax, that some a-hole would dare implicate one of the children to save his or her own sorry arse. Does anyone know where Blanket was? Has this been mentioned from any source? I want that baby safe and sound and out of the danger of all of this idiocy.
It was mentioned early on that the kids had been downstairs (in the den I think) with the Nanny before Prince and maybe Paris went upstairs. Blanket probably just stayed downstairs.
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I think the wine in the coke cans while flying was true. According to a flight attendant that testified during the trial, Michael did have wine put in diet coke cans while flying because he didn't like flying, but didn't want his kids or other kids on the flight to see him drinking alcohol.
As far as I can remember, yes, a flight attendant mentioned that and it might be true. But I think it's a big difference between putting a glas of wine into a coke can to have something to drink that calms you down when you're afraid of flying, and holding the can in your hand - OR putting propofol into a juice box and then falling asleep, so you would have no control over who might take this juice and drink.
Hoax!
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What is a "juice box"?????????????
:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm sorry i had to laugh at your curiosity, it was cute though
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He has children. Does anyone really believe he would put Propofol into a juice box and would risk one of the children drinking that? I think the story is getting more and more ridiculous, isn't it?
Hoax hoax hoax!
AGAIN.. reminds me of the "wine in coke cans" story from the trial. :shock:
You're right :shock:
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its true, michael used to put alcohol in pop cans, so that his kids wont see what hes drinking, however he did not made that idea. Someone else suggested it to him on the plane.
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I think the wine in the coke cans while flying was true. According to a flight attendant that testified during the trial, Michael did have wine put in diet coke cans while flying because he didn't like flying, but didn't want his kids or other kids on the flight to see him drinking alcohol.
As far as I can remember, yes, a flight attendant mentioned that and it might be true. But I think it's a big difference between putting a glas of wine into a coke can to have something to drink that calms you down when you're afraid of flying, and holding the can in your hand - OR putting propofol into a juice box and then falling asleep, so you would have no control over who might take this juice and drink.
Hoax!
I agree in that I don't believe that Michael poured propofol into a juice box. I was just mentioning that the wine in the coke cans supposedly really did happen.
If he really had wanted to drink propofol, he probably would have just drank it right from the vial, and then maybe took a sip of juice to get the propofol taste out of his mouth. I also think propofol is a little thicker consistency than a normal drink, so I think it would have been hard to get it into the small hole of a juice box. I think the defense is just trying to throw more reasonable doubt into the case. The more doubt they cast, the more I think the case won't even go to trial.
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Are they going to bring in the fact that MJ called wine "Jesus Juice". Maybe that's where the defense is getting their juice box idea from.
"Prosecutor: Dr Murray did you ever witness Mr. Jackson putting propofol into a juice box?
Murray: Yes sir. He put it into his Jesus juice box, bit off both ends of a licorice and sipped him some milk of amnesia."
:roll:
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If he really had wanted to drink propofol, he probably would have just drank it right from the vial, and then maybe took a sip of juice to get the propofol taste out of his mouth. I also think propofol is a little thicker consistency than a normal drink, so I think it would have been hard to get it into the small hole of a juice box. I think the defense is just trying to throw more reasonable doubt into the case.
I agree with you.
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Would someone kindly take me out to the pasture right now and put me out of my misery?!?!?!?!?!?!
Dear God, please stop this madness!!!!!UGH!!!!!!
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Are they going to bring in the fact that MJ called wine "Jesus Juice". Maybe that's where the defense is getting their juice box idea from.
"Prosecutor: Dr Murray did you ever witness Mr. Jackson putting propofol into a juice box?
Murray: Yes sir. He put it into his Jesus juice box, bit off both ends of a licorice and sipped him some milk of amnesia."
:roll:
I honestly don't think this is where the defense is going. I think they are just trying to cast more doubt as to how Michael received the "fatal" dose of propofol.
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I think the wine in the coke cans while flying was true. According to a flight attendant that testified during the trial, Michael did have wine put in diet coke cans while flying because he didn't like flying, but didn't want his kids or other kids on the flight to see him drinking alcohol.
As far as I can remember, yes, a flight attendant mentioned that and it might be true. But I think it's a big difference between putting a glas of wine into a coke can to have something to drink that calms you down when you're afraid of flying, and holding the can in your hand - OR putting propofol into a juice box and then falling asleep, so you would have no control over who might take this juice and drink.
Hoax!
I agree in that I don't believe that Michael poured propofol into a juice box. I was just mentioning that the wine in the coke cans supposedly really did happen.
If he really had wanted to drink propofol, he probably would have just drank it right from the vial, and then maybe took a sip of juice to get the propofol taste out of his mouth. I also think propofol is a little thicker consistency than a normal drink, so I think it would have been hard to get it into the small hole of a juice box. I think the defense is just trying to throw more reasonable doubt into the case. The more doubt they cast, the more I think the case won't even go to trial.
Propofol is an injection medication is it not? Could you even drink from the bottle? Though it seems someone might could have used a syringe and injected Propofol into a juice box but not drink right from the bottle. JMO
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He has children. Does anyone really believe he would put Propofol into a juice box and would risk one of the children drinking that? I think the story is getting more and more ridiculous, isn't it?
Hoax hoax hoax!
AGAIN.. reminds me of the "wine in coke cans" story from the trial. :shock:
That's what I thought of right away too. The parallels between this and the 2005 case are becoming so obvious.
And this is such a ridiculous suggestion - that Michael drank propofol...I don't know much about that drug but I would highly doubt you would achieve the effect you want by chugging it down, it's injected for a reason.
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After reading the coroner's testimony again, I see that the juice was actually in bottles. I am familiar with the brand Naked Juice and the opening on their bottles is as big as the opening on a gallon jug of milk, so I can see why the defense would try to say that Michael poured the propofol in there. It is possible. However, I still don't think that is the case.
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i'm going a bit crazy so please explain what you meant by "where this is headed" about Blanket. I'm not following. Please tell me what you think? Thanks,
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If this claim were true, you would think that propofol would've been detected in his urine.
But that would be assuming that this claim is true, that the autopsy was real and that MJ is dead.
I'm hoping this article will help the non-believers realize something's going on and wake up! Michael's alive people!
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The HORROR of where this is leading. I don't like it one bit. My God I hope not but with Blanket not being mentioned as to his where a bouts during all of this and now a juice box which so often children drink out of......are you all following where this seems to be heading. And IF it heads there then I know Michael is not behind this because he would not dare. And whoever takes it in this direction needs to burn in hell.
But cant you see the comparison of the "Wine in Coke cans at Neverland" BS????
I think the wine in the coke cans while flying was true. According to a flight attendant that testified during the trial, Michael did have wine put in diet coke cans while flying because he didn't like flying, but didn't want his kids or other kids on the flight to see him drinking alcohol.
Yes, that bit is true.. but the media twisted it around and it became a story that MJ gave kids wine in coke cans at Neverland.
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In the News Of The World, they printed a picture of MJs "death bed" and i remember there was a small bottle of orange juice by the bed. Not a carton or box.
I cant find the picture now, but im sure it was a bottle of orange juice.
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In the News Of The World, they printed a picture of MJs "death bed" and i remember there was a small bottle of orange juice by the bed. Not a carton or box.
I cant find the picture now, but im sure it was a bottle of orange juice.
I know what pics you're talking about, but I can't recall exactly what kind of bottle it was. Naked Juice (which is the brand of juice Elissa Fleak said was on the bedside table) actually comes in a plastic bottle so that may have been the bottle she was talking about. I believe Naked Juice makes "plain" orange juice, but most of their juices are blends of several different fruit juices.
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In a homicide investigation wouldn't absolutely everything be tested and fingerprinted??? Are there any police officers reading this???
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This is the picture
(http://www.intmensorg.info/images/mjdb.jpg)
And the bottle DOES look like NAKED Juice.
(http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl0/1/12981/07_2008/naked.preview.jpg)
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I also see two more bottles of water on that night-stand.
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He has children. Does anyone really believe he would put Propofol into a juice box and would risk one of the children drinking that? I think the story is getting more and more ridiculous, isn't it?
Hoax hoax hoax!
AGAIN.. reminds me of the "wine in coke cans" story from the trial. :shock:
PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS... CAN ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS?????
That's what I thought of right away, Dancing The Dream.
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mjkate put on your thinking cap :)
Think about it, how ruthless and nasty people can be about Michael, if someone really murdered him * which I still doubt* but just for the sake of investigating, lets say they did murder him and some horrible individual were to try and say that Blanket or one of the other kids put the propofol in Michael's juice container. That's what I meant by I don't like where this is heading or the direction it may go. Because if someone dares to go there I hope they get their arse beat within an inch of their lives.
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In the AR on page 3, it says that there are "Next to the left side of the bed, there were two tables and a tan colored sofa....SEVERAL empty juice BOTTLES...were on the tables as well."
More than ONE juice bottle but doesn't specify how many? :roll:
The containers were Bottles not Boxes.
And of course they weren't tested for propofol. As it seems nothing in all of this has been tested nor fingerprinted. What kind of crime scene is this anyway? A cover up, a hoax? Ineptness, purposely because there was a conspiracy to harm Michael maybe?
None of the containers of medication or propofol appear to have been tested to see if that is even what they contain.
None of the bottles of propofol have been tested for contamination even though TEVA recalled propofol for bacterial contamination just after Michael's "death".
Just because a label on a container says this is "lidocaine" or whatever doesn't mean that it is.
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believe me my thinking cap is on....it's just useless that's all! I just didn't follow that maybe they were going to say one of the kids did it. yikes that would be terrible. Now that we're hearing all of this pre lim stuff my head is spinning even more and I thought it would answer some questions. Now I have more!!!!!!! And I agree with you serenitys dream - it was a homicide yet nothing was sealed off or tested...makes no sense.
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I have a question for any lawyers out there. Can a defense team change their theory or just suggest a bunch of random theories in a trial or a prelim? At first they said that MJ injected himself with a fatal dose of propofol, now they are saying he drank it from a juice box?
Wouldn't they have to back up any theory with evidence? Or can they just leave it at that saying maybe he did it this way, or maybe he did it that way, or perhaps this way?
It just seems so absurd to me. If anyone can explain as best as you can, I would appreciate it.
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Honestly, propofol and lidocaine were reported as found in the stomach contents in the AR.
When the AR first came out, I asked the question "how could it possibly be in his stomach?"
There are two options.
1. He drank it, knowingly or unknowingly.
2. The propofol and lidocaine were poured into the samples at the coroner's after theses samples had been taken from the body.
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From answers.com. Not that this a medical site but as the poster states drinking propofol has not been studied.
What happens if you drink propofol?
Well, to start with, it would taste nasty. It has a smell that's reminiscent of industrial chemicals, and it's oily. Yuk. I think that ingestion of a significant amount of it would cause vomiting.
It is not supposed to be pharmacologically active when taken orally (as compared to fospropofol, which is). I don't know anyone who has tried it. We don't use orally administered drugs in anesthesia because the absorption is unpredictable, it takes too long to get an effect, it's not titratable, and we are very particular about keeping stomachs empty, so as to avoid aspiration.
I doubt oral administration of propofol has been studied, as that is not how it is meant to be used. (The prescribing literature states that the effects are unknown, and that is in relation to its excretion in breast milk and possible effect on nursing infants.)
In contrast, we know a lot about injecting it. A little bit will get you drowsy. A little bit more will cause you to lose consciousness. A little bit more than that will cause you to stop breathing. How much those bits are varies from person to person. I've given propofol to many, many thousands of patients, and sometimes I get surprised by how it affects someone. However, I have the equipment and skills to take care of any problems that arise.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110110154037AAquPQ8
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Thank you Serenity's Dream for that info. I can't imagine MJ thinking, "Hey...maybe I will drink some of this here prop and see if I can get some shut-eye....." It's just so crazy that the defense is even suggesting that.
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And that mention the "crime scene", what about the bloody shirt that nobody has said anything about it?, Or did someone design the whole scene?
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Thank you Serenity's Dream for that info. I can't imagine MJ thinking, "Hey...maybe I will drink some of this here prop and see if I can get some shut-eye....." It's just so crazy that the defense is even suggesting that.
What's also crazy is that saying he drank it was planned from the beginning, why else would the AR have said it was in his stomach? To be used as "evidence" at a later date. I'm wondering if this is Dr. Murray's get out of jail card?
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Thank you Serenity's Dream for that info. I can't imagine MJ thinking, "Hey...maybe I will drink some of this here prop and see if I can get some shut-eye....." It's just so crazy that the defense is even suggesting that.
What's also crazy is that saying he drank it was planned from the beginning, why else would the AR have said it was in his stomach? To be used as "evidence" at a later date. I'm wondering if this is Dr. Murray's get out of jail card?
It just may very well be.
Here you go Murray....
(http://www.sancarlosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/monopoly-get-out-of-jail-free-card.jpg)
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Are they going to bring in the fact that MJ called wine "Jesus Juice". Maybe that's where the defense is getting their juice box idea from.
"Prosecutor: Dr Murray did you ever witness Mr. Jackson putting propofol into a juice box?
Murray: Yes sir. He put it into his Jesus juice box, bit off both ends of a licorice and sipped him some milk of amnesia."
:roll:
I honestly don't think this is where the defense is going. I think they are just trying to cast more doubt as to how Michael received the "fatal" dose of propofol.
I don't either. It was sarcasm. :D They didn't believe it to be homicide at first. That's why they said Murray was only a witness so they wouldn't have the bottles tested. Murray didn't tell the EMTs or the hospital that he gave MJ the propofol. But he's the one that got it for him. Didn't someone testify that MJ was hooked up to an IV with a "milky" substance? Regardless of anything he was still hiding the fact he gave it to him. Before they could even make that allegation or put the idea out there they would have to have proof that propofol was in the bottles beside his bed. But if they kept them as evidence and it tested positive for propofol the prosecutor can turn around and ask Murray if he suspected it. If Murray says yes and agrees with the prosecutor, then the charges can be turned to first degree murder because if he speculated that MJ was drinking it and still administered it through IV he should know that it would kill him. But if he says no, then he's disagreeing with his only defense.
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This story has been created for one of two reasons.
1. IF Michael has really died at the hands of the doctor, then the defense is DESPERATE to
come up with a new defense.
OR
2. Michael has decided to inject a new 'ridiculous scenario' into the story to show us that we
are on the right track with the hoax! ;)
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Thank you paula.
I keep wondering about that bloody shirt. That's as bad as the missing camera footage. And that bloody shirt thrown in for good measure reminds me of the mysterious bloody glove during the OJ trial that questions abounded about. It's just screaming to me, someone is making a murder mystery novel or movie and racking their brain really hard to come up with good murder mystery goodies/fun/antics/props/ etc...
"Hey man throw in a bloody shirt for good measure...and for all of the perverts out there make sure the juice is of the NAKED variety" :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This can be hysterical luagh I have, but it sounds too funny. Laugh or cry?
1. Last week was prosecution withness testimony time and if there was a suspicion that Michael drank propofol, then prosecutor would use against accused as if MICHAEL WAS GIVEN propofol SECRETLY MIXED WITH JUICE or FORCED to DRINK which KILLED MJ, so it is homicide.(that's what they are trying to prove on prelim hearing cause it is their job).
2. There was no fingerprints checked on bottles of any kind in that room, propofol, jucies if I am not mistaking. Do we have those kind of reports?
3. As of today defense was saying Michael injected himself. Now because it was professionally found impossible, then Michael drank that propofol. :lol:
4. If they can also prove that Michael is insane, then that is possible :lol:
5. If I remember correctly, AR does not state that propofol was found in body's stomach. IT SAYS JUST DARK FLUID. :lol:
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Since you brought the OJ Simpson trial.
OJ = Orange Juice
And one of OJ Simpson's nicknames was "Juice"
Simpson acquired the nickname "Juice" as a play on "O. J.", an informal abbreviation for "Orange Juice".
http://www.answers.com/topic/o-j-simpson
Look to the Simpson trial for parallels!
Is this not only about Michael's 2005 trial that was based on false allegations but also about OJ Simpson's trial?
Two Black men falsely accused, framed even, convicted by the public through the use of the media. Both found not guilty in the court of law but forever marked as guilty in the court of public opinion?
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Thank you paula.
I keep wondering about that bloody shirt. That's as bad as the missing camera footage. And that bloody shirt thrown in for good measure reminds me of the mysterious bloody glove during the OJ trial that questions abounded about. It's just screaming to me, someone is making a murder mystery novel or movie and racking their brain really hard to come up with good murder mystery goodies/fun/antics/props/ etc...
"Hey man throw in a bloody shirt for good measure...and for all of the perverts out there make sure the juice is of the NAKED variety" :lol:
If I recall correctly, someone said (the cops maybe?) that the reason the bloody shirt wasn't examined is because Michael didn't have any open wounds. I can't remember where I read that though.
I really don't understand why everything in that room wasn't fingerprinted though. The only reason I can think of is because the death wasn't initially considered a homicide, and once it was, the room had already been cleaned or at least "tainted" since family members and whoever else had accessed it.
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Thank you paula.
I keep wondering about that bloody shirt. That's as bad as the missing camera footage. And that bloody shirt thrown in for good measure reminds me of the mysterious bloody glove during the OJ trial that questions abounded about. It's just screaming to me, someone is making a murder mystery novel or movie and racking their brain really hard to come up with good murder mystery goodies/fun/antics/props/ etc...
"Hey man throw in a bloody shirt for good measure...and for all of the perverts out there make sure the juice is of the NAKED variety" :lol:
If I recall correctly, someone said (the cops maybe?) that the reason the bloody shirt wasn't examined is because Michael didn't have any open wounds. I can't remember where I read that though.
I really don't understand why everything in that room wasn't fingerprinted though. The only reason I can think of is because the death wasn't initially considered a homicide, and once it was, the room had already been cleaned or at least "tainted" since family members and whoever else had accessed it.
No open wounds? Don't bedsores count?!! ahhh confused...
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Thank you paula.
I keep wondering about that bloody shirt. That's as bad as the missing camera footage. And that bloody shirt thrown in for good measure reminds me of the mysterious bloody glove during the OJ trial that questions abounded about. It's just screaming to me, someone is making a murder mystery novel or movie and racking their brain really hard to come up with good murder mystery goodies/fun/antics/props/ etc...
"Hey man throw in a bloody shirt for good measure...and for all of the perverts out there make sure the juice is of the NAKED variety" :lol:
If I recall correctly, someone said (the cops maybe?) that the reason the bloody shirt wasn't examined is because Michael didn't have any open wounds. I can't remember where I read that though.
I really don't understand why everything in that room wasn't fingerprinted though. The only reason I can think of is because the death wasn't initially considered a homicide, and once it was, the room had already been cleaned or at least "tainted" since family members and whoever else had accessed it.
No open wounds? Don't bedsores count?!! ahhh confused...
I don't think bed sores bleed out? I really don't know for sure though. I've always thought the bed sore claims were a lie anyway, as I can't see how someone as active (and restless!) as Michael could have possibly had bed sores on his body. Although that claim does correlate with a bedridden hospice patient. I think the open wounds comment was referring to cuts, and not just a needle prick, because there was quite a bit of blood on that shirt.
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This is getting ridiculous! Will they be featuring Murray/MJ in the next "Got Milk ?" ad??!!
LOL. Now that would be very funny! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Yeah and that ad would be filmed on an airplane to Phoenix no doubt :lol:
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Why are you talking about bed-sores?
Bed-sores were not on the AR.
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I really don't think that photo of the bloody shirt was legit. Just like the bedroom pics.
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oh for goodness sake....no one at the hospital knew why mj died...it was a big mystery. Conrad said he didn`t know and Richelle and company were perplexed so why the heck was homicide ruled out...it should have been suspected immediately when no one had any idea what happened to an otherwise healthy 50 year old. weirder than weird...
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Why are you talking about bed-sores?
Bed-sores were not on the AR.
I only addressed it because someone questioned my comment about not taking the bloody shirt into evidence since Michael didn't have any open wounds on his body. I can't even remember where the bed sores were mentioned, but I do remember reading about them at some point after the "death". It was probably in a tabloid.
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Why are you talking about bed-sores?
Bed-sores were not on the AR.
You are correct, there were no bedsores mentioned in the AR.
AR Page 3
4 discolored indentations were found on his lower backside
AR Page 13
Over the lower back are several 1/4-1/2 inch perimortem abrasions. (Comment: Scene photographs show beads on the bed).
Perimortem - At, or near, the time of death
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Since you brought the OJ Simpson trial.
OJ = Orange Juice
And one of OJ Simpson's nicknames was "Juice"
Simpson acquired the nickname "Juice" as a play on "O. J.", an informal abbreviation for "Orange Juice".
http://www.answers.com/topic/o-j-simpson
Look to the Simpson trial for parallels!
Is this not only about Michael's 2005 trial that was based on false allegations but also about OJ Simpson's trial?
Two Black men falsely accused, framed even, convicted by the public through the use of the media. Both found not guilty in the court of law but forever marked as guilty in the court of public opinion?
Yeah you're right SD. That's a hell of a coincidence. The OJ in that scene always confused me. The Fiji water makes me :lol:
I actually don't feel sympathetic to OJ but seems MJ does. back definitely does.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/ojsimpsonmj.jpg)
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He has children. Does anyone really believe he would put Propofol into a juice box and would risk one of the children drinking that? I think the story is getting more and more ridiculous, isn't it?
Hoax hoax hoax!
AGAIN.. reminds me of the "wine in coke cans" story from the trial. :shock:
Yes I agree that is a good comparison, also reminds me of the moonwalking dodo in the 5ALIVE campaign which continues to be more michaelesque on facebook.
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That was my first reaction to this story too. Well, that's not really true. My first reaction was to roll my eyes and laugh. But my second reaction was to think about the wine in a coke can and the 5 Alive bird.
If this is being brought up we can bet that it's being made to show just how silly of a notion it is. Think about it - when would he have had time to lace the juice with propofol?
Nefari - no worries. Michael would not have put this in a juice box/carton. Anyway, he only drank about 1/2. Here is the supposed deathbed picture as a reminder.
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Here is a bigger picture. It wasn't even a juice box/carton. It looks like a plastic container and he only drank 1/2. I doubt there would have been enough to put that much propofol into his stomach.
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Since you brought the OJ Simpson trial.
OJ = Orange Juice
And one of OJ Simpson's nicknames was "Juice"
Simpson acquired the nickname "Juice" as a play on "O. J.", an informal abbreviation for "Orange Juice".
http://www.answers.com/topic/o-j-simpson
Look to the Simpson trial for parallels!
Is this not only about Michael's 2005 trial that was based on false allegations but also about OJ Simpson's trial?
Two Black men falsely accused, framed even, convicted by the public through the use of the media. Both found not guilty in the court of law but forever marked as guilty in the court of public opinion?
quote="Serenitys_Dream"]Since you brought the OJ Simpson trial.
OJ = Orange Juice
And one of OJ Simpson's nicknames was "Juice"
Simpson acquired the nickname "Juice" as a play on "O. J.", an informal abbreviation for "Orange Juice".
http://www.answers.com/topic/o-j-simpson
Look to the Simpson trial for parallels!
Is this not only about Michael's 2005 trial that was based on false allegations but also about OJ Simpson's trial?
Two Black men falsely accused, framed even, convicted by the public through the use of the media. Both found not guilty in the court of law but forever marked as guilty in the court of public opinion?[/quote]
Serenity,
I respect you more than you'll ever know...but are you implying by this comment that you think that OJ Simpson was falsly accused and framed for the brutal death of his ex-wife and his friend?
There is HUGE difference here...I believe OJ was VERY guilty of the crime for which he was accused....Michael was not....plain and simple....I'm not AT ALL saying race wasn't also a HUGE factor in how OJ's trial played out....but I believe OJ was guilty and Michael was not...the only parallel is that they are both high profile African American celebrities and Michael didn't want the Jordy Chandler accusations to turn into an OJ-esque trial...
BTW, I say this with nothing but L.O.V.E.....
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People....you do realize....in order for the Hoax to play out, MURRAY MUST BE FOUND NOT GUILTY!!! This is how it is going to happen....as abhorent the thought is that Michael will once again be VILIFIED in the Schmedia, this is necessary....if Murray goes to jail, the Hoax is not real....PLEASE TELL ME I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THIS!!!
If so, I have completely lost my mind!
Love and Peace to all of you, no matter what you think, believe, feel or say....I mean that....didn't TS warn us that this was going get tough?
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Since you brought the OJ Simpson trial.
OJ = Orange Juice
And one of OJ Simpson's nicknames was "Juice"
Simpson acquired the nickname "Juice" as a play on "O. J.", an informal abbreviation for "Orange Juice".
http://www.answers.com/topic/o-j-simpson
Look to the Simpson trial for parallels!
Is this not only about Michael's 2005 trial that was based on false allegations but also about OJ Simpson's trial?
Two Black men falsely accused, framed even, convicted by the public through the use of the media. Both found not guilty in the court of law but forever marked as guilty in the court of public opinion?
Yeah you're right SD. That's a hell of a coincidence. The OJ in that scene always confused me. The Fiji water makes me :lol:
I actually don't feel sympathetic to OJ but seems MJ does. back definitely does.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/ojsimpsonmj.jpg)
Wait - BACK says that OJ's son committed the murder? I've never heard that ever mentioned by anyone before. I wonder how BACK seems so sure...
Also - heisinme...not saying you aren't correct. I really don't know. But wasn't OJ found innocent in a court of law? If so, is our mindset any different than those that continued to accuse Michael even when he was found innocent? I put myself in this category - just thinking out loud.
Okay - back to MJ. Hmmm...interesting.
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Serenity,
I respect you more than you'll ever know...but are you implying by this comment that you think that OJ Simpson was falsly accused and framed for the brutal death of his ex-wife and his friend?
There is HUGE difference here...I believe OJ was VERY guilty of the crime for which he was accused....Michael was not....plain and simple....I'm not AT ALL saying race wasn't also a HUGE factor in how OJ's trial played out....but I believe OJ was guilty and Michael was not...the only parallel is that they are both high profile African American celebrities and Michael didn't want the Jordy Chandler accusations to turn into an OJ-esque trial...
BTW, I say this with nothing but L.O.V.E.....
I agree with you heis, I really do, but what made me think twice is that back made a post reflecting what SD said. I posted the screenshot at the bottom of the last page. He says OJ didn't do it, his son did, which makes me think there's some sympathy to OJ there... and really the OJ on the night stand never made sense when everything else in that pic has a metaphorical connection or relates to a clue elsewhere in the case. Only the OJ had no logical explanation. This explanation is logical to me.
If we consider the competitive aspect of MJs personality, and the pillar by which all other celebrity court cases are compared since IS the OJ case... I'd say it's realistic to expect MJ to use it as the bar to some extent that he intends to clear with this hoax project.
So is the OJ a reminder to a black man who was proclaimed innocent in court but guilty in the media? Or is the OJ referencing the biggest celebrity court case media circus ever? I don't know, maybe both.
I think MJ looks at that as an example of how the court and the news can grip a nation for weeks on a non-national importance level, and have every single citizen's complete attention. OJ trial was an entity unto itself. It was a national, cultural, media phenomenon.
And above all else, in regards to OJ and where I and others stand on that it's completely irrelevant. Just like religion and numbers, this is MJ's hoax. He designed it his way. He designed it the way he envisioned it to be. If we want to participate in the ARG aspect we have to understand that.
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People....you do realize....in order for the Hoax to play out, MURRAY MUST BE FOUND NOT GUILTY!!! This is how it is going to happen....as abhorent the thought is that Michael will once again be VILIFIED in the Schmedia, this is necessary....if Murray goes to jail, the Hoax is not real....PLEASE TELL ME I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THIS!!!
If so, I have completely lost my mind!
Love and Peace to all of you, no matter what you think, believe, feel or say....I mean that....didn't TS warn us that this was going get tough?
No, I think you're just pigeon-holing a situation without precedence and I don't think that's possible to do with much accuracy or fair to yourself to do that.
There's no way to predict this, it's never been done before. Just breathe and keep watching, please. It's a hoax. If it's not I'll eat my shoe. I promise.
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I think Michael just likes to drink juice, including orange juice. I don't think it was purposely placed on the nightstand to make a connection to OJ Simpson. I'm also not sure if it's even orange juice or one of the many blended juices that Naked Juice makes. Maybe someone can blow up the picture.
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Since you brought the OJ Simpson trial.
OJ = Orange Juice
And one of OJ Simpson's nicknames was "Juice"
Simpson acquired the nickname "Juice" as a play on "O. J.", an informal abbreviation for "Orange Juice".
http://www.answers.com/topic/o-j-simpson
Look to the Simpson trial for parallels!
Is this not only about Michael's 2005 trial that was based on false allegations but also about OJ Simpson's trial?
Two Black men falsely accused, framed even, convicted by the public through the use of the media. Both found not guilty in the court of law but forever marked as guilty in the court of public opinion?
Serenity,
I respect you more than you'll ever know...but are you implying by this comment that you think that OJ Simpson was falsly accused and framed for the brutal death of his ex-wife and his friend?
There is HUGE difference here...I believe OJ was VERY guilty of the crime for which he was accused....Michael was not....plain and simple....I'm not AT ALL saying race wasn't also a HUGE factor in how OJ's trial played out....but I believe OJ was guilty and Michael was not...the only parallel is that they are both high profile African American celebrities and Michael didn't want the Jordy Chandler accusations to turn into an OJ-esque trial...
BTW, I say this with nothing but L.O.V.E.....
I am sorry if this upsets you, it isn not my intention at all.
But OJ Simpson was found Not Guilty in a court of law and I have posted about this before. The fact that Back has also posted about it also (which I wasn`t previously aware of) just further confirms this theory for myself. If OJ is innocent and his son really did kill Nicole and Ronald Goldman then evidence was planted, OJ was framed. Those who are supposed to be investigating and protecting teh innocent have failed us all then. If OJ is innocent then the truth prevailed as far as the law goes but to this day he is considered guilty anyway....just like Michael.
Sometimes what we believe is not always the truth and I truly feel that Michael is challenging us to look beyond everything we have told. History has been manipulated and this includes recent history.
On October 3, 1995, after only four hours of deliberation the previous day, the jury returned a verdict of not guilty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Verdict
The word 'teddy bears' links to an article http://www.tmz.com/page/1/ (http://www.tmz.com/page/1/)
- O.J. Simpson: The D.A. Was an 'A**hole' -
http://img203.imageshack.us/f/ojsimpsonmj.jpg/:? (http://img203.imageshack.us/f/ojsimpsonmj.jpg/:?):
Post by Serenitys_Dream » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:47 am
So who brutally murdered Nicole and Ronald?
Who killed out of hate?
The person who went virtually unnoticed, partly due to his fathers erradict behavior after the death and the reason why OJ's car was spotted and the reason why OJ would lie. Because any father would do anything to protect his son.
The murderer was Jason Simpson, born April 21, 1970, to Marguerite Simpson. Jason himself was still young when his dad began to date Nicole brown. Nicole brown would become pregnant with Jason's brother Aaron Simpson, who died in 1979 this had a huge affect on Jason and he needed psychological counciling to get over this stressful situation.
Psychological State
1) Still never got over his brothers death
2) When younger wrote a paper in which he was a murderer
3) Was arrested for assault
4) Stabbed himself in an argument with his girlfriend
5) Threatened his girlfriend and then threatened to kill her with a knife
6) Was critical of Nicole thought she was the cause of drama
7) Grown tired of Ronald
8) Had severe depression, drug issues and alocholic problems
Jason has spent time in mental institutions and was even spotted threatening to kill his girlfriend with a knife, on more than one occasion. Jason was diagnosed with Jekyll and Hyde Syndrome. He was on drugs, that would cause aggression, depression and other central nervous system affects. Jason was even arrested for assualt on a few occasions. On The night of the murders it has been documented that Jason was preparing a meal for the family, a very special meal, since he worked at a restaurant. The special occasion was his half sisters recital, the one that was stated pushed OJ over the edge to kill.
Motive, Opportunity and Execution
Nicole brown was reported to have made a phone call to Jason stating that she would not eat with his dad and that she would rather be at Ron Goldman's restaurant. It is even reported that after Jason hung up the phone he was extremely angry and was highly disappointed that she would choose Goldman over him. Jason had a bag of special cooking knives that he carried everywhere (from and to work). After the murders of Nicole and Goldman the murder weapon has yet to be found and most odd of all, Jason never returned to work....
Jason stated in the civil trial that he left early from work on that night around 9:30pm! He stated that he went home and watched TV. As we all know Ron Goldman was not the person to hold his tongue and Jason Simpson would often go to Nicole's place and would often argue with her. Perhaps this was the confrontation that began it all. According to the official report Goldman was killed first then Nicole. One must always remember that Nicole was cut up to the point of being nearly decapitated, the ruthless assault was aimed to her and it is clear that hate and anger were huge factors.
The big point here was that OJ was called sometime that evening. It was a brief phone call and possibly made by Jason in a frantic cry for help. OJ drove over there, their is no question about that. This would explain the blood on the passenger side of vehicle. As well as the mysterious "bag" OJ was reported taking to the airport in the limo ride their. One thought comes to mind, this bag contained the knives that were used by Jason. This would explain the blood tests wierd result, stating that it could have been a blood relative.
Forensic Expert Dr. lee stated specifically: "They went for the wrong Simpson."
The Glove!
It was stated in the trial that Nicole bought TWO pairs of these gloves for OJ and Jason. Jason may have dropped the glove, in his frenzy to protect himself. This would explain why the glove did not fit OJ, because it was not his size, but his sons.
It has also been reported that Jason wrote a paper, entitled: Jason the Murderer (or I am the murderer), I cannot remember which one. This was brought to Nicole's attention. Jason's thoughts, his state of mind, his life long unreleased anger, depression and hate, could have exploded and had serious end results.
They had the wrong Simpson....
More evidence:
1. As an adolescent, Jason performed poorly in school and demonstrated many antisocial behaviorus.
2. Considered a "problem child" at an early age. Documented in articles of interviews given by OJ.
3. Jason overdosed on drugs and alcohol at age 14 and was rushed to hospital.
4. Jason reportedly had difficulty communicating with his mother and at an early age moved in OJ and Nicole because Marguerite could not control him.
5. As a teenager Jason flew into a fit of rage and attacked a statue of his father with a baseball bat.
6. Jason stole his father's car and was turned in by Nicole.
7. Ronald Shipp stated Jason began being physically abused by his father at a young age.
8. Ronald Shipp described him as having pschological problems, along with abusing drugs and alcohol.
9. Jason was treated at the UCLA Nero-Psychiatric Institute for a mental condition, later being diagnosed as "Intermittent Rage Disorder" accompanied by seizures. He was prescribed Depakote, a drug frequently prescribed to individuals suffering from rage.
10. Jason dropped out or flunked out of USC.
11. According to Shipp, Jason had possibly stalked Nicole Simpson while she lived at Gretna Green.
12. According to Shipp, Jason and Nicole would go out dancing and partying together.
13. On more than one occasion Jason left or was fired from his job as a prep chef. Indications were he was unable to get along with people of authority.
14. Jason attempted suicide by stabbing himself with a pair of scissors.
15. Jason, in a fit of rage, assaulted his girlfriend Jackie where in he nearly breaks her back by throwing her into an empty bathtub.
16. Jason attacked his girlfriend Jackie with a chef's knife and cuts off her hair.
17. Jason attempted suicide by cutting his wrists with a shard of broken glass.
18. Jason attempted suicide a second time. This time by overdosing on Depakote. He was committed to the psychiatric ward at Saint John's hospital.
19. Jason had repeatedly been warned not to use drugs and alcohol while taking medication, because it could further complicate his existing neurological condition but continued to do so.
20. Jason was arrested for assaulting his former employer, Paul Goldberg, with a kitchen knife. At the time of the murders, Jason was still on probation for this earlier offense on Paul Goldberg.
21. Just prior to the murders, Jason felt he was "going to rage," and checked into Cedars Sinai Hospital. Previously, when he was about to rage, he claimed to hallucinate by hearing voices of people who weren't there.
22. Two months prior to the murders Jason, in a blind rage, assaulted his girlfriend, Jennifer Green, at his birthday party. Later that night, according to an article, he tried to strangle her.
23. Two months prior to the murders Jason was known to have stopped taking his Depakote because, as he was reported to have said, "It's f**king with my head."
24. On the night before the murders, Nicole had arranged to eat at Jackson's restaurant, where Jason was the chef, but she failed to show up the next night.
25. At 7pm on the night of the murders, Nicole and her family ate at Mezzaluna's restaurant instead of at Jackson's, where Jason was the chef.
26. According to Jennifer Green, and a waiter at Jackson's, Jason left the restaurant where he worked at around 9:45pm, approximately 45 mins to an hour prior to the murders.
27. Jason's civil deposition indicated he did not spend the evening with Jennifer Green as she indicated, but went directly home after he dropped Jennifer off at her apartment.
28. Jason had no alibi after 10pm, he claimed to watch TV until 3am.
29. Supposedly Jason had an "air-tight" alibi that he was cooking for 200 people at Jackson's restaurant. On that particular night there were less than 40 patrons at the restaurant the entire night. Jason left before it closed.
30. Experts established that the probable murder weapon was a chef's knife.
31. Jason had his own chef knives and kept them with him.
32. Jason had in his possession a set of chef knives when he left Jackson's restaurant at approximately 9:45pm on the night of the murders.
33. Jason was allegedly upset that Nicole and her party did not come to Jackson's as arranged on the night of June 12, 1994.
34. Jason's blood chemistry is supposed to have similar genetic characteristics as OJ's.
35. OJ and Jason have approximately the same size feet. Jason also had access to OJ's clothes closet and is known to have taken items of clothing from his dad at will.
36. James G. Cron, crime scene expert, has studied the investigative material and determined that Jason Simpson should have been considered a major suspect in the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman.
37. England crime scene experts, Tery Merston and his partner, Peter Harpur, stated OJ is not the killer of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman but in all probability, was at the crime scene after the murders. They both felt Jason Simpson should have been considered a major suspect.
38. Dr. Harvey Davisson, Dr. William Flynn, Dr. William Tedford and Dr. Charles Keller reviewed Jason's records and felt that Jason Simpson is psychologically disturbed and in need of help.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=14172&hilit=Nicole+brown+simpson+jason&start=25#p236470
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I think Michael just likes to drink juice, including orange juice. I don't think it was purposely placed on the nightstand to make a connection to OJ Simpson. I'm also not sure if it's even orange juice or one of the many blended juices that Naked Juice makes. Maybe someone can blow up the picture.
You can not forget that TMZ also posted a picture of OJ in one of there articles about Dr. Murray. After the article was posted to this forum with OJ`s picture, TMZ edited the article and changed the picture.
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I interpret Ortega's testimony that yes MJ was not up to par one day but then rebounded. Interestingly, those two days, 6/23 and 6/24, were the days Murray said he did NOT use propofol, just the benzos!
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To Bec and Serenity and Voice and whomever else...I knew when I made the assertion that I believed that OJ Simpson is actually guilty of murdering his ex and her friend that I might stir the pot a bit...I admit I was unaware that his son is still considered by some to be a viable suspect...but would a Father and Son's DNA be close enough to cast doubt about that? My memory of OJ's case was that the DNA evidence was irrefutable, except when put into the hands of the incompetent prosecution team of Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden...I honestly don't know the answer to that question and I would be most interested in knowing more about that if someone could provide the research ....however....THAT BEING SAID...I DO believe OJ was guilty, but found innocent by a court of law, in no small part due to a jury that was influenced by his celebrity and was therefore perhaps afraid to convict him for fear of L.A.city-wide, or perhaps nationwide, rioting if he were found guilty...but let me pose this question to you? Would that have been the case in Michael's trial? If he had been found guilty, would there have been that same fear? I believe that, sadly, the answer to that question would be a RESOUNDING NO! Therein lies the difference between the two cases....even though Michael Jackson's global fan base would most likely eclipse OJ's a thousand or million-fold, by the time of MIchael's 2004-5 trial, the Schmedia had already DECIMATED his reputation and therefore convinced the world at large that he was capable of unspeakable acts against children....the Court of Public Opinion had already convened, rendering their verdict before the formality of whatever the actual jury in the case decided....I am really not trying to cause any problems here...I hope that is obvious...the idea that Michael would use OJ's acquittal as some sort of referendum ofhis own innocence, EVEN IF OJ WAS GUILTY AS SIN, seems wrong to me....but maybe I don't know ANYTHING anymore....my head is spinning...truly.....and again, as always, all my thoughts are posted here with L.O.V.E and an open mindl....remember...we are always IN THIS TOGETHER....just trying to figure it all out....no disrespect from me EVER!
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I think Michael just likes to drink juice, including orange juice. I don't think it was purposely placed on the nightstand to make a connection to OJ Simpson. I'm also not sure if it's even orange juice or one of the many blended juices that Naked Juice makes. Maybe someone can blow up the picture.
You can not forget that TMZ also posted a picture of OJ in one of there articles about Dr. Murray. After the article was posted to this forum with OJ`s picture, TMZ edited the article and changed the picture.
I do recall that, but I just don't think there is a link to OJ Simpson. The OJ/Murray photo error isn't the first time TMZ posted the wrong person's photo in an article. In fact, I recall one of the articles about Alejandra actually had a pic of Halima. There has been other times when the wrong person's pic was included in an article, but I can't think of another example right now.
I just spent a few minutes looking at pictures of Naked juice bottles, and I don't think the juice on the nightstand is 100% orange juice anyway. Although the pic is extremely blurry, there is a hint of red in the area on the bottle where the pictures of the fruit are included. The 100% orange juice bottle only includes oranges and no other red-looking fruit. It could be orange-mango, but if that is the case, it would negate the OJ connection for me. JMO of course.
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Yeah I think SD just clicked this old loose end.
Good job SD. The back post seals it, imo.
The topic bothers me but when you put it this way:
OJ Simpson was found Not Guilty in a court of law and I have posted about this before. The fact that Back has also posted about it also (which I wasn`t previously aware of) just further confirms this theory for myself. If OJ is innocent and his son really did kill Nicole and Ronald Goldman then evidence was planted, OJ was framed. Those who are supposed to be investigating and protecting teh innocent have failed us all then. If OJ is innocent then the truth prevailed as far as the law goes but to this day he is considered guilty anyway....just like Michael.
Sometimes what we believe is not always the truth and I truly feel that Michael is challenging us to look beyond everything we have told. History has been manipulated and this includes recent history.
You can't argue that. Rights right and wrongs wrong. The court either works or it doesn't. Which would we rather, a guilty man to go free or an innocent put to death? Presumably, the US court system works and justice does prevail.
"Time is the checkmate of life" though, isn't it. "In time the 'truth will prevail'”.
and lastly but not leastly, @heisinme, I have great respect for you my dear, please don't misinterpret. I always enjoying discussing the hoax with you.
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Since you brought the OJ Simpson trial.
OJ = Orange Juice
And one of OJ Simpson's nicknames was "Juice"
Simpson acquired the nickname "Juice" as a play on "O. J.", an informal abbreviation for "Orange Juice".
http://www.answers.com/topic/o-j-simpson
Look to the Simpson trial for parallels!
Is this not only about Michael's 2005 trial that was based on false allegations but also about OJ Simpson's trial?
Two Black men falsely accused, framed even, convicted by the public through the use of the media. Both found not guilty in the court of law but forever marked as guilty in the court of public opinion?
Serenity,
I respect you more than you'll ever know...but are you implying by this comment that you think that OJ Simpson was falsly accused and framed for the brutal death of his ex-wife and his friend?
There is HUGE difference here...I believe OJ was VERY guilty of the crime for which he was accused....Michael was not....plain and simple....I'm not AT ALL saying race wasn't also a HUGE factor in how OJ's trial played out....but I believe OJ was guilty and Michael was not...the only parallel is that they are both high profile African American celebrities and Michael didn't want the Jordy Chandler accusations to turn into an OJ-esque trial...
BTW, I say this with nothing but L.O.V.E.....
I am sorry if this upsets you, it isn not my intention at all.
But OJ Simpson was found Not Guilty in a court of law and I have posted about this before. The fact that Back has also posted about it also (which I wasn`t previously aware of) just further confirms this theory for myself. If OJ is innocent and his son really did kill Nicole and Ronald Goldman then evidence was planted, OJ was framed. Those who are supposed to be investigating and protecting teh innocent have failed us all then. If OJ is innocent then the truth prevailed as far as the law goes but to this day he is considered guilty anyway....just like Michael.
Sometimes what we believe is not always the truth and I truly feel that Michael is challenging us to look beyond everything we have told. History has been manipulated and this includes recent history.
On October 3, 1995, after only four hours of deliberation the previous day, the jury returned a verdict of not guilty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Verdict
The word 'teddy bears' links to an article http://www.tmz.com/page/1/ (http://www.tmz.com/page/1/)
- O.J. Simpson: The D.A. Was an 'A**hole' -
http://img203.imageshack.us/f/ojsimpsonmj.jpg/:? (http://img203.imageshack.us/f/ojsimpsonmj.jpg/:?):
Post by Serenitys_Dream » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:47 am
So who brutally murdered Nicole and Ronald?
Who killed out of hate?
The person who went virtually unnoticed, partly due to his fathers erradict behavior after the death and the reason why OJ's car was spotted and the reason why OJ would lie. Because any father would do anything to protect his son.
The murderer was Jason Simpson, born April 21, 1970, to Marguerite Simpson. Jason himself was still young when his dad began to date Nicole brown. Nicole brown would become pregnant with Jason's brother Aaron Simpson, who died in 1979 this had a huge affect on Jason and he needed psychological counciling to get over this stressful situation.
Psychological State
1) Still never got over his brothers death
2) When younger wrote a paper in which he was a murderer
3) Was arrested for assault
4) Stabbed himself in an argument with his girlfriend
5) Threatened his girlfriend and then threatened to kill her with a knife
6) Was critical of Nicole thought she was the cause of drama
7) Grown tired of Ronald
8) Had severe depression, drug issues and alocholic problems
Jason has spent time in mental institutions and was even spotted threatening to kill his girlfriend with a knife, on more than one occasion. Jason was diagnosed with Jekyll and Hyde Syndrome. He was on drugs, that would cause aggression, depression and other central nervous system affects. Jason was even arrested for assualt on a few occasions. On The night of the murders it has been documented that Jason was preparing a meal for the family, a very special meal, since he worked at a restaurant. The special occasion was his half sisters recital, the one that was stated pushed OJ over the edge to kill.
Motive, Opportunity and Execution
Nicole brown was reported to have made a phone call to Jason stating that she would not eat with his dad and that she would rather be at Ron Goldman's restaurant. It is even reported that after Jason hung up the phone he was extremely angry and was highly disappointed that she would choose Goldman over him. Jason had a bag of special cooking knives that he carried everywhere (from and to work). After the murders of Nicole and Goldman the murder weapon has yet to be found and most odd of all, Jason never returned to work....
Jason stated in the civil trial that he left early from work on that night around 9:30pm! He stated that he went home and watched TV. As we all know Ron Goldman was not the person to hold his tongue and Jason Simpson would often go to Nicole's place and would often argue with her. Perhaps this was the confrontation that began it all. According to the official report Goldman was killed first then Nicole. One must always remember that Nicole was cut up to the point of being nearly decapitated, the ruthless assault was aimed to her and it is clear that hate and anger were huge factors.
The big point here was that OJ was called sometime that evening. It was a brief phone call and possibly made by Jason in a frantic cry for help. OJ drove over there, their is no question about that. This would explain the blood on the passenger side of vehicle. As well as the mysterious "bag" OJ was reported taking to the airport in the limo ride their. One thought comes to mind, this bag contained the knives that were used by Jason. This would explain the blood tests wierd result, stating that it could have been a blood relative.
Forensic Expert Dr. lee stated specifically: "They went for the wrong Simpson."
The Glove!
It was stated in the trial that Nicole bought TWO pairs of these gloves for OJ and Jason. Jason may have dropped the glove, in his frenzy to protect himself. This would explain why the glove did not fit OJ, because it was not his size, but his sons.
It has also been reported that Jason wrote a paper, entitled: Jason the Murderer (or I am the murderer), I cannot remember which one. This was brought to Nicole's attention. Jason's thoughts, his state of mind, his life long unreleased anger, depression and hate, could have exploded and had serious end results.
They had the wrong Simpson....
More evidence:
1. As an adolescent, Jason performed poorly in school and demonstrated many antisocial behaviorus.
2. Considered a "problem child" at an early age. Documented in articles of interviews given by OJ.
3. Jason overdosed on drugs and alcohol at age 14 and was rushed to hospital.
4. Jason reportedly had difficulty communicating with his mother and at an early age moved in OJ and Nicole because Marguerite could not control him.
5. As a teenager Jason flew into a fit of rage and attacked a statue of his father with a baseball bat.
6. Jason stole his father's car and was turned in by Nicole.
7. Ronald Shipp stated Jason began being physically abused by his father at a young age.
8. Ronald Shipp described him as having pschological problems, along with abusing drugs and alcohol.
9. Jason was treated at the UCLA Nero-Psychiatric Institute for a mental condition, later being diagnosed as "Intermittent Rage Disorder" accompanied by seizures. He was prescribed Depakote, a drug frequently prescribed to individuals suffering from rage.
10. Jason dropped out or flunked out of USC.
11. According to Shipp, Jason had possibly stalked Nicole Simpson while she lived at Gretna Green.
12. According to Shipp, Jason and Nicole would go out dancing and partying together.
13. On more than one occasion Jason left or was fired from his job as a prep chef. Indications were he was unable to get along with people of authority.
14. Jason attempted suicide by stabbing himself with a pair of scissors.
15. Jason, in a fit of rage, assaulted his girlfriend Jackie where in he nearly breaks her back by throwing her into an empty bathtub.
16. Jason attacked his girlfriend Jackie with a chef's knife and cuts off her hair.
17. Jason attempted suicide by cutting his wrists with a shard of broken glass.
18. Jason attempted suicide a second time. This time by overdosing on Depakote. He was committed to the psychiatric ward at Saint John's hospital.
19. Jason had repeatedly been warned not to use drugs and alcohol while taking medication, because it could further complicate his existing neurological condition but continued to do so.
20. Jason was arrested for assaulting his former employer, Paul Goldberg, with a kitchen knife. At the time of the murders, Jason was still on probation for this earlier offense on Paul Goldberg.
21. Just prior to the murders, Jason felt he was "going to rage," and checked into Cedars Sinai Hospital. Previously, when he was about to rage, he claimed to hallucinate by hearing voices of people who weren't there.
22. Two months prior to the murders Jason, in a blind rage, assaulted his girlfriend, Jennifer Green, at his birthday party. Later that night, according to an article, he tried to strangle her.
23. Two months prior to the murders Jason was known to have stopped taking his Depakote because, as he was reported to have said, "It's f**king with my head."
24. On the night before the murders, Nicole had arranged to eat at Jackson's restaurant, where Jason was the chef, but she failed to show up the next night.
25. At 7pm on the night of the murders, Nicole and her family ate at Mezzaluna's restaurant instead of at Jackson's, where Jason was the chef.
26. According to Jennifer Green, and a waiter at Jackson's, Jason left the restaurant where he worked at around 9:45pm, approximately 45 mins to an hour prior to the murders.
27. Jason's civil deposition indicated he did not spend the evening with Jennifer Green as she indicated, but went directly home after he dropped Jennifer off at her apartment.
28. Jason had no alibi after 10pm, he claimed to watch TV until 3am.
29. Supposedly Jason had an "air-tight" alibi that he was cooking for 200 people at Jackson's restaurant. On that particular night there were less than 40 patrons at the restaurant the entire night. Jason left before it closed.
30. Experts established that the probable murder weapon was a chef's knife.
31. Jason had his own chef knives and kept them with him.
32. Jason had in his possession a set of chef knives when he left Jackson's restaurant at approximately 9:45pm on the night of the murders.
33. Jason was allegedly upset that Nicole and her party did not come to Jackson's as arranged on the night of June 12, 1994.
34. Jason's blood chemistry is supposed to have similar genetic characteristics as OJ's.
35. OJ and Jason have approximately the same size feet. Jason also had access to OJ's clothes closet and is known to have taken items of clothing from his dad at will.
36. James G. Cron, crime scene expert, has studied the investigative material and determined that Jason Simpson should have been considered a major suspect in the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman.
37. England crime scene experts, Tery Merston and his partner, Peter Harpur, stated OJ is not the killer of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman but in all probability, was at the crime scene after the murders. They both felt Jason Simpson should have been considered a major suspect.
38. Dr. Harvey Davisson, Dr. William Flynn, Dr. William Tedford and Dr. Charles Keller reviewed Jason's records and felt that Jason Simpson is psychologically disturbed and in need of help.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=14172&hilit=Nicole+brown+simpson+jason&start=25#p236470
Serenity...thank you for this....I think we were posting simultaneously....most of what you shared here is COMPLETE NEWS TO ME...I will read and comment later....thanks!
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Found this trailer, have never heard of this documentary. I never followed the OJ trial or the Michael trial. So I am researching as I go here....
[youtube:3riixfrq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yWXEfpysR0[/youtube:3riixfrq]
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But one more thought that immediately comes to mind....where is Jason Simpson now? Where has he been all these years? What became of him? Someone that volatile and mentally unstable certainly wouldn't have just disappeared off the face of the earth with no further incidence? ESPECIALLY IF HE GOT AWAY WITH MURDER AND HIS FATHER HAS PAID SUCH A PUBLIC PRICE FOR THE CRIME HE COMMITTED? Please tell me anything you know about this!
Thank you so very much...I am reeling right now!
Blessings to you!
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Bec writes:
"and lastly but not leastly, @heisinme, I have great respect for you my dear, please don't misinterpret. I always enjoying discussing the hoax with you."
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Not to worry, my friend! The feeling is quite mutual! You bring SO MUCH great insight and intelligent thought to this Forum....I am not offended in the slightest....and the respect is mutual....this is heady stuff...we are trying SO HARD to figure all this out...this thread is giving me a MENTAL WORKOUT, to be sure!
Serenity....love to you too! You are the best! Your research on this Forum is TOP NOTCH and we are so indebted to you for all that you have contributed in the past and will contribute in the future, I'm sure....this thread has turned into quite a revelation for me....thank you!
Peace to you all!
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People....you do realize....in order for the Hoax to play out, MURRAY MUST BE FOUND NOT GUILTY!!! This is how it is going to happen....as abhorent the thought is that Michael will once again be VILIFIED in the Schmedia, this is necessary....if Murray goes to jail, the Hoax is not real....PLEASE TELL ME I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THIS!!!
If so, I have completely lost my mind!.
Love and Peace to all of you, no matter what you think, believe, feel or say....I mean that....didn't TS warn us that this was going get tough?
Not necessarily. It would have been in case if:
1. MJ is in protection program,so the prosecution knows Michael is not dead and proves guilt in homicide/attempt of murder;
2.OR, prosecution has no idea about hoax (even if they have a little doubt) and does his work properly and proves guilt either homiside or it will remain as a manslaughter.
3. Even if prosection fails to prove homicide and Murrey will be charged for manslaughter only or even go free, it still does not prove that Michael is alive if he is happened to be dead. It will show that prosecutor could not prove the case beyond the reasonable doubt.
Here is the definition of NOT GUILTY in the USA: does not mean someone did NOT commit a crime he/she is accused of, it means prosecution could not prove otherwise, does not have enough evidence.
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Serenity....love to you too! You are the best! Your research on this Forum is TOP NOTCH and we are so indebted to you for all that you have contributed in the past and will contribute in the future, I'm sure....this thread has turned into quite a revelation for me....thank you!
Thank you so much!
I don`t know where I found the original post with all that information in it. I don`t usually read above top secret website but there is an in depth post there which includes the information I already posted if you want to read that.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread472694/pg1
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Serenity....love to you too! You are the best! Your research on this Forum is TOP NOTCH and we are so indebted to you for all that you have contributed in the past and will contribute in the future, I'm sure....this thread has turned into quite a revelation for me....thank you!
Thank you so much!
I don`t know where I found the original post with all that information in it. I don`t usually read above top secret website but there is an in depth post there which includes the information I already posted if you want to read that.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread472694/pg1
Thanks for this link....I feel like I've just fallen down another Rabbit Hole! lol
Oh Lordy....when will this Hoax reveal its final hand? I think more of my grey matter is leaking out again.....Michael....I love you madly, but you're KILLING ME! lol
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He has children. Does anyone really believe he would put Propofol into a juice box and would risk one of the children drinking that? I think the story is getting more and more ridiculous, isn't it?
Hoax hoax hoax!
AGAIN.. reminds me of the "wine in coke cans" story from the trial. :shock:
Yes I agree that is a good comparison, also reminds me of the moonwalking dodo in the 5ALIVE campaign which continues to be more michaelesque on facebook.
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That was my first reaction to this story too. Well, that's not really true. My first reaction was to roll my eyes and laugh. But my second reaction was to think about the wine in a coke can and the 5 Alive bird.
If this is being brought up we can bet that it's being made to show just how silly of a notion it is. Think about it - when would he have had time to lace the juice with propofol?
Nefari - no worries. Michael would not have put this in a juice box/carton. Anyway, he only drank about 1/2. Here is the supposed deathbed picture as a reminder.
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Voice...you're another hoaxer whose opinion and voice on this forum I respect IMMENSELY!
I too have ALWAYS questioned the validity of this supposed Death Bed Photo....it has always seemed WAAAAAAY to convenient to me....
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People....you do realize....in order for the Hoax to play out, MURRAY MUST BE FOUND NOT GUILTY!!! This is how it is going to happen....as abhorent the thought is that Michael will once again be VILIFIED in the Schmedia, this is necessary....if Murray goes to jail, the Hoax is not real....PLEASE TELL ME I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THIS!!!
If so, I have completely lost my mind!.
Love and Peace to all of you, no matter what you think, believe, feel or say....I mean that....didn't TS warn us that this was going get tough?
Not necessarily. It would have been in case if:
1. MJ is in protection program,so the prosecution knows Michael is not dead and proves guilt in homicide/attempt of murder;
2.OR, prosecution has no idea about hoax (even if they have a little doubt) and does his work properly and proves guilt either homiside or it will remain as a manslaughter.
3. Even if prosection fails to prove homicide and Murrey will be charged for manslaughter only or even go free, it still does not prove that Michael is alive if he is happened to be dead. It will show that prosecutor could not prove the case beyond the reasonable doubt.
Here is the definition of NOT GUILTY in the USA: does not mean someone did NOT commit a crime he/she is accused of, it means prosecution could not prove otherwise, does not have enough evidence.
Thank you for this insight, Scorpionchik....food for thought, for sure! I guess the point I was trying to make is that I fear that many people that believe in the hoax will leave in droves if Murray is convicted...they will see that as the game buzzer...and I can see their point of view...but if I've learned anything about myself during this Hoax, it is this....QUESTION EVERYTHING....TAKE NOTHING AT FACE VALUE....we are not in control of this Hoax....Michael, and Michael alone, is....Keep the Faith....Hold His Hand....he loves us dearly....we are in the BEST hands! No matter what, take comfort in that thought....Michael loves his fans almost as much as his own family....he trusts us to trust him....we just have to do out part...and Whatever Happens, Don't Let Go Of His Hand.....love!
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DTD - What do you guys call them?
In the UK we call them "cartons"
Thanks!
In Montreal we call them mini juices in a cartons. I still do not understand this concept. If Michael is already with propofol, his eyes are closed how can he go and pour propofol in the juice carton(box) and drink it. This is gettting ridiculous. This hoax will come to an end soon. They have nothing else better to say in the defence of Murray.
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There are more people who have been framed,
there are more accidents that happened on purpose,
there is more evil in the world than ever will be published
for the word is twisted to cover-up.
We were expecting mud fights to come.
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People....you do realize....in order for the Hoax to play out, MURRAY MUST BE FOUND NOT GUILTY!!! This is how it is going to happen....as abhorent the thought is that Michael will once again be VILIFIED in the Schmedia, this is necessary....if Murray goes to jail, the Hoax is not real....PLEASE TELL ME I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THIS!!!
If so, I have completely lost my mind!
Love and Peace to all of you, no matter what you think, believe, feel or say....I mean that....didn't TS warn us that this was going get tough?
I see this. I agree with you. If Murray is found guilty and goes to jail,that means there is no hoax and Michael is really dead. Murray needs to be found not guilty so he will not go to jail and Michael can come out of hidding. They have to say stupid things right now, that Mj killed himself, he drank propofol, maybe they will come up that he took a bath with the propofol and that killed him by smelling it. ( I am being ridiculous just a joke. ) :lol: Just be patient and have faith and positive everything will be fine.
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Gosh the game clue comes to mind ......Murray....in the bedroom....with a juice bottle filled with propofol.....lol oh my word this is banana's :lol:
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did anyone listen to TMZ live on last night?
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I am not an expert in chemistry nor in these substances composition, but judging by what they state, that propofol was put into the juice, that would mean that propofol HAD to be mixed with the juice. Propofol is an oly substance and as I know, oil doesn't mix with the water or juice (juice is made with a cuantity of water), it's not soluble in water. That would mean that the propofol would float above and it would be a greasy thing at the top, not mixed with the juice to can drink it.
Then again, it is simply absurd because there was a doctor in the house, supposedly Murray, and any doctor could tell a patient that drinking Propofol will have no effect, probably you'll vomit, but no sedative effect. That's what I think. And to pour Propofol in juice bottles thinking it will help you sleep is beyond absurd for me, I mean god I am a mess at chemistry, I know nothing about any substance reaction, but to pour Propofol in juice and drink it would mean a complete idiot thing to do, and Michael is far from that. Even if he thought about that, a doctor could tell him it won't have any effect by drinking.
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This has been interesting, adding the OJ case into the mix. In that documentary SD posted, the bloody bodies are very graphic, making Murray's manslaughter case clean by comparison. It's probably nothing but I noticed all the Jason's. Jason Simpson, Jason Pfieffer, and Jason Malachi. It's ironic that the name Jason means "healer" in Greek. These 3 have brought negative situations. I do think that even though Jason probably committed the murders, OJ also had strong motivation to kill them, and also had a history of violence towards her and Jason. OJ may be innocent but there is something scary about this man. I find it strange that BACK would come to OJ's defense. That the same LAPD did such a botched job of examining the evidence, makes me wonder if there were not higher up reasons for this trial of the century, that relate to the MJ case.
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i appreciate serenity's dream's work, but i don't know about the parallels to the OJ case. i know the brown's personally, and this is hard to swallow. whether OJ, his son, or someone else was responsible for nicole and ron's murder, i just don't see the parallels to michael's own "death trial." sorry.
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This has been interesting, adding the OJ case into the mix. In that documentary SD posted, the bloody bodies are very graphic, making Murray's manslaughter case clean by comparison. It's probably nothing but I noticed all the Jason's. Jason Simpson, Jason Pfieffer, and Jason Malachi. It's ironic that the name Jason means "healer" in Greek. These 3 have brought negative situations. I do think that even though Jason probably committed the murders, OJ also had strong motivation to kill them, and also had a history of violence towards her and Jason. OJ may be innocent but there is something scary about this man. I find it strange that BACK would come to OJ's defense. That the same LAPD did such a botched job of examining the evidence, makes me wonder if there were not higher up reasons for this trial of the century, that relate to the MJ case.
I think OJ is paying for his murders He is in jail now. Not for the murders but for theft. Meaning when you did something wrong sooner or later Karma comes back and bite you even harder. He is paying for his wife's murder, He did it I know he did. Money talks remember that. You can get all the high lawyers that can you get off scott free. Look at that man who was in jail for 30 yrs.(I do not remember where it happened and the name of the person) After 30 yrs they found out he was innocent. They say innocent until proven guilty, yeah right you are guilty until proven innocent,than you go to jail without doing any crime. What system is this? They have already crucified you before hearing what happened. it is so easy to judge it is incredible.
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Back in the 90's I saw an interview with a stewardess who worked on the plane Michael used - if I remeber well he used that plane with the same staff several times.
The interviewer asked the stewardess what kind of food Michael liked.
The stewardess said Michael loved freshly pressed orange juice.
(That was before the Jesus juice thing, so she didn't say it for defending Michael. So we can believe she simply said it because this was the truth.)
I wonder that when Michael drank fresh orange juice on a plane, why would he drink some less healthy juice from a box or bottle, whatever.
He had a chef to make him fresh juice.
We have always heard that Michael preferred healthy food (and drink I guess ;) )
So I think that this juice bottle/box thing is BS. Probably they were just put in the room for making the hoax complex - who knows what Michael's plan is about the whole court procedure we have been listening to.
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Back in the 90's I saw an interview with a stewardess who worked on the plane Michael used - if I remeber well he used that plane with the same staff several times.
The interviewer asked the stewardess what kind of food Michael liked.
The stewardess said Michael loved freshly pressed orange juice.
(That was before the Jesus juice thing, so she didn't say it for defending Michael. So we can believe she simply said it because this was the truth.)
I wonder that when Michael drank fresh orange juice on a plane, why would he drink some less healthy juice from a box or bottle, whatever.
He had a chef to make him fresh juice.
We have always heard that Michael preferred healthy food (and drink I guess ;) )
So I think that this juice bottle/box thing is BS. Probably they were just put in the room for making the hoax complex - who knows what Michael's plan is about the whole court procedure we have been listening to.
Well i drink fresh orange juice.. and i also drink it from bottles and cartons.
When i go to bed, i often have a carton or can of drink next to my bed, in case i get up and am thirsty. Its just easier and faster to have a drink in the night that way, and because you can seal the bottle back up it stays fresh.
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There has never been one shadow of doubt to me that OJ is completely innocent and was framed by the likes of Mark Fuhrman and others working in cahoots. I followed this trial to the point I sat and took notes in a notebook daily and compared everything, questioned everything. Mark is a racist pig who has been known to spew racist slurs all over the place, even in court if I remember correctly. I will always believe he planted certain damning items in that case. OJ was a pained and hobbling old ex football player said to overtake 2 people with one knife, one of which was an agile fit young man. If it was a gun I could understand it but a knife and you have 2 people fighting for their lives against one guy and this guy's kids are sleeping right upstairs. BS!
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Back in the 90's I saw an interview with a stewardess who worked on the plane Michael used - if I remeber well he used that plane with the same staff several times.
The interviewer asked the stewardess what kind of food Michael liked.
The stewardess said Michael loved freshly pressed orange juice.
(That was before the Jesus juice thing, so she didn't say it for defending Michael. So we can believe she simply said it because this was the truth.)
I wonder that when Michael drank fresh orange juice on a plane, why would he drink some less healthy juice from a box or bottle, whatever.
He had a chef to make him fresh juice.
We have always heard that Michael preferred healthy food (and drink I guess ;) )
So I think that this juice bottle/box thing is BS. Probably they were just put in the room for making the hoax complex - who knows what Michael's plan is about the whole court procedure we have been listening to.
Well i drink fresh orange juice.. and i also drink it from bottles and cartons.
When i go to bed, i often have a carton or can of drink next to my bed, in case i get up and am thirsty. Its just easier and faster to have a drink in the night that way, and because you can seal the bottle back up it stays fresh.
In connection with foods/drinks I can do it, I almost always choose the healthy ones. I only drink fruit juices made by a company about twice a year. I can easily drink or eat fresh orange/apple etc, so why to choose the less healthy ones? And Michael even has a chef to make the juice for him. (For the night I put only water next to my bed, as this way I don't have to get up and wash my teeth.)
It's not that I eat absolutely heathily, but I try my best. As many of us.
I just point out how many times we heard that Michael eats in a very healthy way. He even wanted to be a vegetarian, but he said it wasn't good for his health, so he eats chicken (and fish, I guess) but not red meat.
Since his "death" we heard that the kids drank coke, and eat chocolate bars with him, but I just cannot really believe it. Coke is something I really wouldn't drink. Michael the healthy eater drinking coke and giving it to his children... No. I mean once or twice it's okay and each of us have our weaknesses, but I have the feeling that Prince only said this story on Oprah because they want to show Michael as a general person - maybe they think healthy eating made him a little weird too.
Just my opinion...
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Back in the 90's I saw an interview with a stewardess who worked on the plane Michael used - if I remeber well he used that plane with the same staff several times.
The interviewer asked the stewardess what kind of food Michael liked.
The stewardess said Michael loved freshly pressed orange juice.
(That was before the Jesus juice thing, so she didn't say it for defending Michael. So we can believe she simply said it because this was the truth.)
I wonder that when Michael drank fresh orange juice on a plane, why would he drink some less healthy juice from a box or bottle, whatever.
He had a chef to make him fresh juice.
We have always heard that Michael preferred healthy food (and drink I guess ;) )
So I think that this juice bottle/box thing is BS. Probably they were just put in the room for making the hoax complex - who knows what Michael's plan is about the whole court procedure we have been listening to.
Well i drink fresh orange juice.. and i also drink it from bottles and cartons.
When i go to bed, i often have a carton or can of drink next to my bed, in case i get up and am thirsty. Its just easier and faster to have a drink in the night that way, and because you can seal the bottle back up it stays fresh.
In connection with foods/drinks I can do it, I almost always choose the healthy ones. I only drink fruit juices made by a company about twice a year. I can easily drink or eat fresh orange/apple etc, so why to choose the less healthy ones? And Michael even has a chef to make the juice for him. (For the night I put only water next to my bed, as this way I don't have to get up and wash my teeth.)
It's not that I eat absolutely heathily, but I try my best. As many of us.
I just point out how many times we heard that Michael eats in a very healthy way. He even wanted to be a vegetarian, but he said it wasn't good for his health, so he eats chicken (and fish, I guess) but not red meat.
Since his "death" we heard that the kids drank coke, and eat chocolate bars with him, but I just cannot really believe it. Coke is something I really wouldn't drink. Michael the healthy eater drinking coke and giving it to his children... No. I mean once or twice it's okay and each of us have our weaknesses, but I have the feeling that Prince only said this story on Oprah because they want to show Michael as a general person - maybe they think healthy eating made him a little weird too.
Just my opinion...
After hearing the comments the kids made about eating candy and drinking sodas first thing in the morning, as well as other times of the day, I am surprised none of Michael's haters have slammed him for not promoting healthy eating habits for his kids.
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THE MAN IS TOO SMART TO DRINK PROPOFOL DAT IT HOAX IS STILL HAPPENING GET YOUR POPCORN LET THE TRIAL BEGIN.
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Back in the 90's I saw an interview with a stewardess who worked on the plane Michael used - if I remeber well he used that plane with the same staff several times.
The interviewer asked the stewardess what kind of food Michael liked.
The stewardess said Michael loved freshly pressed orange juice.
(That was before the Jesus juice thing, so she didn't say it for defending Michael. So we can believe she simply said it because this was the truth.)
I wonder that when Michael drank fresh orange juice on a plane, why would he drink some less healthy juice from a box or bottle, whatever.
He had a chef to make him fresh juice.
We have always heard that Michael preferred healthy food (and drink I guess ;) )
So I think that this juice bottle/box thing is BS. Probably they were just put in the room for making the hoax complex - who knows what Michael's plan is about the whole court procedure we have been listening to.
Well i drink fresh orange juice.. and i also drink it from bottles and cartons.
When i go to bed, i often have a carton or can of drink next to my bed, in case i get up and am thirsty. Its just easier and faster to have a drink in the night that way, and because you can seal the bottle back up it stays fresh.
In connection with foods/drinks I can do it, I almost always choose the healthy ones. I only drink fruit juices made by a company about twice a year. I can easily drink or eat fresh orange/apple etc, so why to choose the less healthy ones? And Michael even has a chef to make the juice for him. (For the night I put only water next to my bed, as this way I don't have to get up and wash my teeth.)
It's not that I eat absolutely heathily, but I try my best. As many of us.
I just point out how many times we heard that Michael eats in a very healthy way. He even wanted to be a vegetarian, but he said it wasn't good for his health, so he eats chicken (and fish, I guess) but not red meat.
Since his "death" we heard that the kids drank coke, and eat chocolate bars with him, but I just cannot really believe it. Coke is something I really wouldn't drink. Michael the healthy eater drinking coke and giving it to his children... No. I mean once or twice it's okay and each of us have our weaknesses, but I have the feeling that Prince only said this story on Oprah because they want to show Michael as a general person - maybe they think healthy eating made him a little weird too.
Just my opinion...
After hearing the comments the kids made about eating candy and drinking sodas first thing in the morning, as well as other times of the day, I am surprised none of Michael's haters have slammed him for not promoting healthy eating habits for his kids.
PLH....I believe Michael's kids simply wanted the world to know that he was a WONDERFUL father...that was the purpose of the Oprah interview....to let the 3 people on earth who loved him the most and he loved the most testify to his normalcy (which of course he was)....the continuation of the campaign to show the world The Man You Never Knew begun by TII....but not only that, I think that most of what they said was sprinkled with clues for the beLIEvers...to give us a nugget...."Coca Cola"...."Snickers"...."Skittles"..."Luxor"...."Fireworks"...."French Toast"....Prince wanting to be a Director/Producer....Paris wanting to be an actress....Oprah was so busy falling all over poor little Jermajesty that she probably had no clue that this was CHOCKFUL of Hoax Nuggets!....oh Dear Michael! Your GENIUS is showing again!
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Back in the 90's I saw an interview with a stewardess who worked on the plane Michael used - if I remeber well he used that plane with the same staff several times.
The interviewer asked the stewardess what kind of food Michael liked.
The stewardess said Michael loved freshly pressed orange juice.
(That was before the Jesus juice thing, so she didn't say it for defending Michael. So we can believe she simply said it because this was the truth.)
I wonder that when Michael drank fresh orange juice on a plane, why would he drink some less healthy juice from a box or bottle, whatever.
He had a chef to make him fresh juice.
We have always heard that Michael preferred healthy food (and drink I guess ;) )
So I think that this juice bottle/box thing is BS. Probably they were just put in the room for making the hoax complex - who knows what Michael's plan is about the whole court procedure we have been listening to.
Juice out of a box, carton, bottle, whatever...makes no sense to me either.