Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Theories => References & Similarities => Topic started by: Infinitylady on January 13, 2011, 10:23:57 AM
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Here is something that was sent to me a few weeks ago. You donot have to agree and hey, it's all good. Just passing on the info. This is the young lady who gave the messenger to have this message posted in Dec. 2009:
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1452)in regards to MJ. She wanted me to pass this on and I am only going to share with you what she has mentioned.
There is a link that she included as this is apparently another person who has been feeling the same about the hoax.
Her quote:
The Lord spoke to me… The time has come to act. Michael will not come out unless he sees people believing in his innocence regarding the entire hoax- Like Barak, who would not go up to fight the enemies unless Deborah would go with him.
this is the Lord’s instruction. Judges – 6:14, 16 & 7: 14. We have to gather – people of God who believe that Michael is alive. We have to declare the truth that Michael is not the one behind the hoax in a way that will catch the attention of the people God wants it to know and Michael himself. That’s when Michael will come out.
This needs a lot of faith and patience in the Lord. God is our shield.
I have taken the first step instructed by the Lord.
http://estherforgod.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/on-behalf-of-god-for-michael-jackson-2/
Gave link to a site that believes Michael is alive. I think I got one.
This was her/his responseEsther,
Could you please say more about: 1) why you are so sure Michael is alive, 2) why you are so sure Michael didn't create the hoax, 3) who is behind the hoax?, 4) the theories that he did create the hoax are not true? 5) Can you debunk the number of clues that have been touched on through this forum? If so, how?
Finally, you ask that we help him to appear. In what way(s)?
I do believe in Jesus Christ, I pray to God for insight and wisdom, I do believe that Michael is alive and well, and I do believe he will return. My thoughts are detailed throughout this forum. Could you please elaborate on your thoughts, insights, revelations?
Thank you,
S.O.L.
‘Only’ the people who believe in the Lord can do this. God’s involvement and the need of Faith in the Lord will separate the chaff from the wheat and bring in the people of God’s choice.
pray and reply me as soon as possible.
God is Great!
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When someone has a strong faith in the good Lord, anything is possible. That's why I always said in all the post to be positive, and have FAITH in God. Some of you may not believe in God, and that is ok, but positiveness is the main key. When you portrait positiveness and especially in a big group it will be so strong that even if one does not believe in God, God will help every single one of us.LIKE THE ARMY OF L.O.V.E. I do believe this person.
The only thing I do not understand is the Michael did not do this hoax? Does it mean he was kidnapped? Does it mean they are playing with our heads? This is the part I do not understand. Can you please ask this person to elaborate a little more? Blessings
P.S. I JUST READ THE link, you know some how i do believe this person. As you know I had written a thread stating that I have a gift from God, being intuitive. Intuitions come to me so strongly that sometimes i supress them because it scares me. I shouldn't be scared anymore, because believe it of not on June 25 2009 when i read that Michael jackson was dead, someon talking to me and said no he is not dead, he is alive. I just brushed it off, it was so scary. Now I understand this person, she has that same voice I hear, all the time, that is God. When I have intuitions, I hear someone talking to me, it is so strange. She is stating that Michael did not do this hoax, evil people did kill someone but not Michael, He escaped into hidding. THE BEST PART HE OR SHE SAID THAT ONE OF MJ BROTHER'S IS IN IT. I WOUNDER WHO CAN IT BE? Who is the one in need of money? I have an intuition now, . I think I know who it is do not want to accuse him but if it is him that is very low. Michael helped all his family, if it weren't for Michael his brothers wouldn't be living a luxurious life. Please read the link it is very interesting.
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i remember sensing in the very beginning , before looking at any hoax information an ergency regarding whatever was happening with michael. that did go away after a while.
i guess what i mean to express that if this happened the way that "ester" presents it then for a time michael was most likely in a position of being out of sorts. surely he found someone he could trust to go to if all of this is true.
what we also might need to think about is that if can be convinced that this is michaels doing then perhaps even some of the players can be lead down that path as well. :?
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I have thought all along that a certain brother knew far more about this than we were being led to believe. I also think another family member knows something too.
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I have thought all along that a certain brother knew far more about this than we were being led to believe. I also think another family member knows something too.
think of the delima for a mother to have one child have a part in something like this involving another, if she is aware of it.
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I have thought all along that a certain brother knew far more about this than we were being led to believe. I also think another family member knows something too.
think of the delima for a mother to have one child have a part in something like this involving another, if she is aware of it.
Must be terrible for her if she is aware. I was actually thinking another sibling might have something to do with it too. I'm probably just being silly but I can't get the thought out of my mind.
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I have thought all along that a certain brother knew far more about this than we were being led to believe. I also think another family member knows something too.
think of the delima for a mother to have one child have a part in something like this involving another, if she is aware of it.
Must be terrible for her if she is aware. I was actually thinking another sibling might have something to do with it too. I'm probably just being silly but I can't get the thought out of my mind.
i am having trouble determining if you means knows about it or is involved in it. and if you mean has played a part in helping put him in this position. or if one in particular is trying to help him get out of this mess, if that is in fact what is going on.
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I just can't help thinking that maybe one or two siblings helped put him in this position. I'm probably wrong but my instincts are normally pretty good.
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I just can't help thinking that maybe one or two siblings helped put him in this position. I'm probably wrong but my instincts are normally pretty good.
if it was a long term process i can see how there could have been stuff that happened to help things along. i think that some of it goes back to deiter wisener also. have always had the feeling. by the way has anyone seen the video lately where michael is giving the depsostion about giving power of attorney to wiesner and admitting to taking medications and not being fully aware of what he was doing? and i think this dude was his manager when the bashir thing happened.
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I 100% believe that Michael was taken to a rehab facility in another country because of his addictions days before June 25, 2010 in a desperate attempt to save him from death by his true, very few, friends. I believe he was rehabilitated there and remains on an out-patient basis to work his program with that same group of true friends in another country. I believe he sees his children and I believe he will return to the public one day. I do not think this is the hoax he would have planned. I believe he was way in over his head and those who truly care for him recognized it and took vast measures to get him the help he needed.
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I 100% believe that Michael was taken to a rehab facility in another country because of his addictions days before June 25, 2010 in a desperate attempt to save him from death by his true, very few, friends. I believe he was rehabilitated there and remains on an out-patient basis to work his program with that same group of true friends in another country. I believe he sees his children and I believe he will return to the public one day. I do not think this is the hoax he would have planned. I believe he was way in over his head and those who truly care for him recognized it and took vast measures to get him the help he needed.
@eviltwin, that could be a possibility. Why hide it? Everyone knew that Michael was on prescription drugs. They have been publicized it for the longest time, it was no secret. If they brought him to a rehabilitated center, why say that he died? It does not make sense. I am sure they would have said Michael was not well at all he is in a rehab center to fix his drugs issue. Example. Lindsay Lohan, she has been in the news and still is they admitted her to the Betty Ford rehab center. No hidding from public. I think it is more than meets the eye. Something even bigger. If one of his brother's was in it that is discusting. I am appaled.
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by all4loveandbelieve » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:47 pm
eviltwin wrote:I 100% believe that Michael was taken to a rehab facility in another country because of his addictions days before June 25, 2010 in a desperate attempt to save him from death by his true, very few, friends. I believe he was rehabilitated there and remains on an out-patient basis to work his program with that same group of true friends in another country. I believe he sees his children and I believe he will return to the public one day. I do not think this is the hoax he would have planned. I believe he was way in over his head and those who truly care for him recognized it and took vast measures to get him the help he needed.
by all4loveandbelieve
@eviltwin, that could be a possibility. Why hide it? Everyone knew that Michael was on prescription drugs. They have been publicized it for the longest time, it was no secret. If they brought him to a rehabilitated center, why say that he died? It does not make sense.
Yeah I agree the theory as it stands may not make much sense, , but what if Mike was in a sort of Comma situation though.Is it possible some people made the decisions to hide him away, expecting his recovery or his decease?
And if Mike recovers fully then He may come back, but if not, no harm done with death report right?
the family may have decided not to let the world know that he is indeed in that state perhaps. :?
Who knows really, that may not have been to cool for his “image” or business maybe too.Just a thought.
This way, they say he died, and then at the same time start hoax rumors, just in case he comes back.
I am always reminded, of a dream I had of Mike a while back where it was clearly shown to me that there was something wrong with Mike and his brain.
So, that is one of the additional reasons why I tend to believe Esther and her “kidnapped “ type of report, as maybe has a bit of truth in it perhaps.?
Who is to say in the end what is what really, LOL. :roll:
Peace.
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Not wanting to go off of this OP topic but this does tie into the conversation somewhat. I have been wondering if the 1999 Munich incident with the falling stage bridge/bucket was not a hit attempt in itself and maybe someone was trying to kill Michael for a long time and he had to escape for that reason.
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Not wanting to go off of this OP topic but this does tie into the conversation somewhat. I have been wondering if the 1999 Munich incident with the falling stage bridge/bucket was not a hit attempt in itself and maybe someone was trying to kill Michael for a long time and he had to escape for that reason.
i have had the same thoughts about that.
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Not wanting to go off of this OP topic but this does tie into the conversation somewhat. I have been wondering if the 1999 Munich incident with the falling stage bridge/bucket was not a hit attempt in itself and maybe someone was trying to kill Michael for a long time and he had to escape for that reason.
i have had the same thoughts about that.
So did I, have the same thoughts, Everything what happened to Michael is for a reason. The reason was evil.. You know we can speculate until we are blue in the face, we will probably never know the reason, until Michael comes out and tell us. You know the youtube video of a person who looks like Michael, the recent one, where he was in a condo of some sort. How about if he is the real Michael asking for help.
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I think all we can do is to keep pushing along, investigating, praying that he is safe, praying for answers, staying strong together and thanking the heavens above we have each other. We will never forget what we have all gone through together.
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I think all we can do is to keep pushing along, investigating, praying that he is safe, praying for answers, staying strong together and thanking the heavens above we have each other. We will never forget what we have all gone through together.
@nefari: Amen. I am so glad to be part of this forum, I have met some wonderful people here, all of you are wonderful people. Even if we had some quarrels, not agreeing and some bickerings. Let's not forget bashings. :lol: Michael brought us together, what a wonderful thing he has done. Tonight I was watching the movie with Janet Jackson, Why did I get married too. I love that movie, if any of you have the chance to watch it go for it. When the movie ended, she sang, it is so amazing when you close your eyes and listen to the song, I feel Michael singing. They have such a similar voice. Just wanted to share this with you. Have all a good night. Blessings.
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I was thinking about this post all night, and something came over me. If Michael was kidnapped why did he duisguise himself as DAVE DAVE at LKL show. A person who is kidnapped cannot escape, cannot be free he will be tied down in a room, with people around him so he wouldn't escape. This doesn't make sense. I am sure he DID NOT got kidnapped, his brothers were not involved, this is another farce, and a lie which again we believed in. The only thing his brothers did is probably helped him escape, that is all. Which Jermaine made a slip up..
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I may get booed for this but I just know Jermaine of all people loves Michael. Sure they are Brothers and Brothers have disagreements and hostility from time to time. I think Jermaine has always tried to be bossy and sort of big brotherish to Michael and Mike was having none of that. But I think if you really look with your hearts and closer with your eyes you will know Jermaine is not a baddy.
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I was thinking about this post all night, and something came over me. If Michael was kidnapped why did he duisguise himself as DAVE DAVE at LKL show. A person who is kidnapped cannot escape, cannot be free he will be tied down in a room, with people around him so he wouldn't escape. This doesn't make sense. I am sure he DID NOT got kidnapped, his brothers were not involved, this is another farce, and a lie which again we believed in. The only thing his brothers did is probably helped him escape, that is all. Which Jermaine made a slip up..
the op does not think michael was kidnapped . that is nothing but loves theory.
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I was thinking about this post all night, and something came over me. If Michael was kidnapped why did he duisguise himself as DAVE DAVE at LKL show. A person who is kidnapped cannot escape, cannot be free he will be tied down in a room, with people around him so he wouldn't escape. This doesn't make sense. I am sure he DID NOT got kidnapped, his brothers were not involved, this is another farce, and a lie which again we believed in. The only thing his brothers did is probably helped him escape, that is all. Which Jermaine made a slip up..
the op does not think michael was kidnapped . that is nothing but loves theory.
ok than this is what she said: This is indeed a hoax because the one who was murdered was not Michael Jackson. When learned of his own death made official by his own brother all Michael Jackson could do was flee away.
This fact is the reason why you see all the hoax encouraging theories all over the internet compelling people to believe that Michael is the one behind this when in truth this is a ditch Michael’s enemies dug to trap Michael forever and gain from him. They created his grave but God will bring him out.
He was forced into this hoax and was trapped mercilessly by the people he called his enemies. Sadly even one of his brothers is involved but I know ‘You’ didn’t want to harm him… but like Reuben, you watched them push Michael into this ditch.
Yes you are right she did not say kidnap, but she makes us understand that this was against Michael's will, for me it is kidnapping. They pushed Michael into a ditch. (figure of speech) In your own words what did you understand?
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Again, I find it fishy, because the day of his funeral Micheal got disguised as DAVE DAVE. so it means I have doubt about this person. Just my opinion.
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I was thinking about this post all night, and something came over me. If Michael was kidnapped why did he duisguise himself as DAVE DAVE at LKL show. A person who is kidnapped cannot escape, cannot be free he will be tied down in a room, with people around him so he wouldn't escape. This doesn't make sense. I am sure he DID NOT got kidnapped, his brothers were not involved, this is another farce, and a lie which again we believed in. The only thing his brothers did is probably helped him escape, that is all. Which Jermaine made a slip up..
Excellent point. And I also agree that Jermaine, with all his jealousy issues that have been part of his and Michael's relationship for a very long time (remember- Jermaine was supposed to be the lead singer before Michael's dazzled everyone at that school performance and the family saw his potential)- that he does love him.
Saying "Michael was forced into this" disregards the planning evidence (dates, numerology etc) we know to exist. I think he was forced into even conceiving the hoax idea,as he had figured out the conspiracy pretty early on- but he was in charge at the execution of the plan, I believe. And if part of that plan was to recover from any effect of the enormous emotional and mental strain he has been living under for decades- I think that would be an added bonus.
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I was thinking about this post all night, and something came over me. If Michael was kidnapped why did he duisguise himself as DAVE DAVE at LKL show. A person who is kidnapped cannot escape, cannot be free he will be tied down in a room, with people around him so he wouldn't escape. This doesn't make sense. I am sure he DID NOT got kidnapped, his brothers were not involved, this is another farce, and a lie which again we believed in. The only thing his brothers did is probably helped him escape, that is all. Which Jermaine made a slip up..
the op does not think michael was kidnapped . that is nothing but loves theory.
ok than this is what she said: This is indeed a hoax because the one who was murdered was not Michael Jackson. When learned of his own death made official by his own brother all Michael Jackson could do was flee away.
This fact is the reason why you see all the hoax encouraging theories all over the internet compelling people to believe that Michael is the one behind this when in truth this is a ditch Michael’s enemies dug to trap Michael forever and gain from him. They created his grave but God will bring him out.
He was forced into this hoax and was trapped mercilessly by the people he called his enemies. Sadly even one of his brothers is involved but I know ‘You’ didn’t want to harm him… but like Reuben, you watched them push Michael into this ditch.
Yes you are right she did not say kidnap, but she makes us understand that this was against Michael's will, for me it is kidnapping. They pushed Michael into a ditch. (figure of speech) In your own words what did you understand?[/quote
]well i guess it does boil down to being held hostage by the situation. i will agree that. i just thought perhaps since the actual kidnap theory had been proposed that it was somehow mingled in your thoughts. so much info, makes ones head spin .
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Not wanting to go off of this OP topic but this does tie into the conversation somewhat. I have been wondering if the 1999 Munich incident with the falling stage bridge/bucket was not a hit attempt in itself and maybe someone was trying to kill Michael for a long time and he had to escape for that reason.
i have had the same thoughts about that.
So did I, have the same thoughts, Everything what happened to Michael is for a reason. The reason was evil.. You know we can speculate until we are blue in the face, we will probably never know the reason, until Michael comes out and tell us. You know the youtube video of a person who looks like Michael, the recent one, where he was in a condo of some sort. How about if he is the real Michael asking for help.
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Can the youtube video be found somewhere, a link maybe? Haven't seen it. Nothing seems to be impossible.
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esthers blog is interesting read all her entry about michael jackson and you will know alot ... :shock: it makes me more confuse now.
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She speaks of a friend of a friend, Carmen. There was a Carmen speaking of kidnapping on a Thaiindian page, but some of her posts got deleted as some other posters said. I am not sure if she means her or someone else.
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She speaks of a friend of a friend, Carmen. There was a Carmen speaking of kidnapping on a Thaiindian page, but some of her posts got deleted as some other posters said. I am not sure if she means her or someone else.
I know exactly what you talking about. Yeah, she stated that her posts were intentionally deleted in regards to her theories. She no longer post there and hasn't been on there.
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I have thought all along that a certain brother knew far more about this than we were being led to believe. I also think another family member knows something too.
think of the delima for a mother to have one child have a part in something like this involving another, if she is aware of it.
Must be terrible for her if she is aware. I was actually thinking another sibling might have something to do with it too. I'm probably just being silly but I can't get the thought out of my mind.
I heard the same thing.
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Again, I find it fishy, because the day of his funeral Micheal got disguised as DAVE DAVE. so it means I have doubt about this person. Just my opinion.
I understand but I still wonder if there is still more to this that we yet still don't understand.
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Again, I find it fishy, because the day of his funeral Micheal got disguised as DAVE DAVE. so it means I have doubt about this person. Just my opinion.
I understand but I still wonder if there is still more to this that we yet still don't understand.
Infinitylady, I have very strong faith in God, I may be repeating myself again, I don't know if you know about me, I have intuition. I wrote a thread about it. When I read that person's blog, I felt the same way like you did. I was upset that one of his brother's may be involved. I know that Jermaine is jealous of MJ, but not to that point of kidnapping. Two night ago, I was thinking, and believe it or not a little voice inside of me (usually the little voice is the good lord) told me otherwise. Told me that MJ was not kidnapped nor his brother was in it. It came to me if he was kidnapped or as they said the bad people dug his hole (figure of speech) how did he go to LKL as Dave Dave. Why would Jermaine make slip ups saying he left us way before he went to to the airport? You see things like that does not make sense. I do not know any details just like yourself, but I strongly believe that Michael planned his hoax, for a good cause. We will know once he comes back. blessings.
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Again, I find it fishy, because the day of his funeral Micheal got disguised as DAVE DAVE. so it means I have doubt about this person. Just my opinion.
I understand but I still wonder if there is still more to this that we yet still don't understand.
Infinitylady, I have very strong faith in God, I may be repeating myself again, I don't know if you know about me, I have intuition. I wrote a thread about it. When I read that person's blog, I felt the same way like you did. I was upset that one of his brother's may be involved. I know that Jermaine is jealous of MJ, but not to that point of kidnapping. Two night ago, I was thinking, and believe it or not a little voice inside of me (usually the little voice is the good lord) told me otherwise. Told me that MJ was not kidnapped nor his brother was in it. It came to me if he was kidnapped or as they said the bad people dug his hole (figure of speech) how did he go to LKL as Dave Dave. Why would Jermaine make slip ups saying he left us way before he went to to the airport? You see things like that does not make sense. I do not know any details just like yourself, but I strongly believe that Michael planned his hoax, for a good cause. We will know once he comes back. blessings.
It could have been a situation that got out of control. That is just my guess. I know June 25th was a very disappointing thing for many of us and to now hear of something like this adds more to the disappointment so I know who wants to hear more bad news. There is just alot of distractions. A red-herring in all of this.
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Again, I find it fishy, because the day of his funeral Micheal got disguised as DAVE DAVE. so it means I have doubt about this person. Just my opinion.
I understand but I still wonder if there is still more to this that we yet still don't understand.
Infinitylady, I have very strong faith in God, I may be repeating myself again, I don't know if you know about me, I have intuition. I wrote a thread about it. When I read that person's blog, I felt the same way like you did. I was upset that one of his brother's may be involved. I know that Jermaine is jealous of MJ, but not to that point of kidnapping. Two night ago, I was thinking, and believe it or not a little voice inside of me (usually the little voice is the good lord) told me otherwise. Told me that MJ was not kidnapped nor his brother was in it. It came to me if he was kidnapped or as they said the bad people dug his hole (figure of speech) how did he go to LKL as Dave Dave. Why would Jermaine make slip ups saying he left us way before he went to to the airport? You see things like that does not make sense. I do not know any details just like yourself, but I strongly believe that Michael planned his hoax, for a good cause. We will know once he comes back. blessings.
Going back to the site, there is nothing saying anything about his brother kidnapping MJ.
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i haven't been back to the blog to reread but didn't esther say something about someone who was caught up in this thing being the person who warned mike and helped him get away? i was thinking wasn't there someone who told us in an interview over the last year and a half that they were the last to see him from the crew because their car was blocking his? anyone remember that? if so do you remember who it was?
i still can not wrap my head around him leaving the kids there though. wonder if there is more to be revealed about that. remember the confusion about murry calling prince ect. ect.
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I missed something. Who is Carmen?
What´s the theory? Michael being kidnapped? Don´t think so.
Michael needed to pay back and to make money again to support his legacy, his business and kids, to secure their future.
Michael may be was not open to the idea of faking his death and it is probable that Jemaine´s contacts and Michael´s business advisors came to the conclusion of having a quick solution, "Killing" Michael.
Many times he said that he was more worth dead than alive, and that has been proved after June 25th 2009. Sales high to the sky, Michael´s name being cleared up, Michael earning respect back, Michael being recognize by his life achievements within the industry and his humanitarian contributions as well as gaining old fans and supporters back and getting new ones.
His death has been a rebirth.
May be Michael was not happy with the procedures or the way has been done, and even if think that he feared for his life, faking his death has been positive for him.
We love him unconditionally, so as soon as he comes back (if ever) he should know that here we are with open arms.
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I missed something. Who is Carmen?
What´s the theory? Michael being kidnapped? Don´t think so.
Michael needed to pay back and to make money again to support his legacy, his business and kids, to secure their future.
Michael may be was not open to the idea of faking his death and it is probable that Jemaine´s contacts and Michael´s business advisors came to the conclusion of having a quick solution, "Killing" Michael.
Many times he said that he was more worth dead than alive, and that has been proved after June 25th 2009. Sales high to the sky, Michael´s name being cleared up, Michael earning respect back, Michael being recognize by his life achievements within the industry and his humanitarian contributions as well as gaining old fans and supporters back and getting new ones.
His death has been a rebirth.
May be Michael was not happy with the procedures or the way has been done, and even if think that he feared for his life, faking his death has been positive for him.
We love him unconditionally, so as soon as he comes back (if ever) he should know that here we are with open arms.
Here is the link where Carmen posted.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/who-is-dr-conrad-murray_100210049.html
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She speaks of a friend of a friend, Carmen. There was a Carmen speaking of kidnapping on a Thaiindian page, but some of her posts got deleted as some other posters said. I am not sure if she means her or someone else.
I included the link in my last post. But here is some of what you may be talking about. I copied and past. It is alot.
carmen Says:
April 24th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
metabolize and leave no trace of the propofol in the stomach for the coroner to find!
However, for the significant amount of propofol to be found in the stomach, it means that it was POURED DOWN THE VICTIM’S THROAT AFTER DEATH, when the BODY CANNOT metabolize the propofol!
THAT, in my opinion, should prove, in any court of law, this HOMICIDE WAS NOT ACCIDENTAL BUT with PREMEDITATED INTENT TO KILL; to pour propofol down a man’s throat after death MAY have been done to maximize the effects of the drug, and cause death, unaware of the fact that the victim already died, a fact proven by the significant presence of propofol in the stomach not yet metabolize, found and noted clearly by the coroner in the autopsy report!
That said, combined with the fact that almost every medical journal I’ve read on propofol, and trust me there is a lot of publications on propofol, all list clearly, THAT NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD PROPOFOL BE MIXED WITH MIXED WITH BENZODIAZEPINE or MIDOZOLAM, because it increases greatly the probability of death during sedation!
I am still waiting for the doctors and anesthesiologists to get back to me on their observations and EVERYONE is ENCOURAGED to check the validity of these comments listed above, with any medical journals or professionals! These opinions seem to be accepted medical knowledge, not really something to question among doctors, but I will wait for their final answers.
The doctor’s and anesthesiologists who’s opinion I’ve asked have not gotten back to me with a full report yet; but, all 5 of them, at the first sight of the autopsy report, immediately pointed out the propofol in the stomach is not possible unless someone poured it down the victim’s throat after death; but they will get back to me! Everyone is welcome and asked by me to do their on medical research on propofol in the stomach and how it could get in the stomach and not be metabolized!
carmen Says:
April 24th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Why did you cut my post, why do you block my post ?
I have discovered the scientific evidence the man presumed to be Michael was murdered, and the murder was not accidental but intentional and you cut down 80% of my post. Why?
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Again, I find it fishy, because the day of his funeral Micheal got disguised as DAVE DAVE. so it means I have doubt about this person. Just my opinion.
I understand but I still wonder if there is still more to this that we yet still don't understand.
Infinitylady, I have very strong faith in God, I may be repeating myself again, I don't know if you know about me, I have intuition. I wrote a thread about it. When I read that person's blog, I felt the same way like you did. I was upset that one of his brother's may be involved. I know that Jermaine is jealous of MJ, but not to that point of kidnapping. Two night ago, I was thinking, and believe it or not a little voice inside of me (usually the little voice is the good lord) told me otherwise. Told me that MJ was not kidnapped nor his brother was in it. It came to me if he was kidnapped or as they said the bad people dug his hole (figure of speech) how did he go to LKL as Dave Dave. Why would Jermaine make slip ups saying he left us way before he went to to the airport? You see things like that does not make sense. I do not know any details just like yourself, but I strongly believe that Michael planned his hoax, for a good cause. We will know once he comes back. blessings.
Going back to the site, there is nothing saying anything about his brother kidnapping MJ.
it says and one of his brother is in it. something like that.
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Again, I find it fishy, because the day of his funeral Micheal got disguised as DAVE DAVE. so it means I have doubt about this person. Just my opinion.
I understand but I still wonder if there is still more to this that we yet still don't understand.
Infinitylady, I have very strong faith in God, I may be repeating myself again, I don't know if you know about me, I have intuition. I wrote a thread about it. When I read that person's blog, I felt the same way like you did. I was upset that one of his brother's may be involved. I know that Jermaine is jealous of MJ, but not to that point of kidnapping. Two night ago, I was thinking, and believe it or not a little voice inside of me (usually the little voice is the good lord) told me otherwise. Told me that MJ was not kidnapped nor his brother was in it. It came to me if he was kidnapped or as they said the bad people dug his hole (figure of speech) how did he go to LKL as Dave Dave. Why would Jermaine make slip ups saying he left us way before he went to to the airport? You see things like that does not make sense. I do not know any details just like yourself, but I strongly believe that Michael planned his hoax, for a good cause. We will know once he comes back. blessings.
Going back to the site, there is nothing saying anything about his brother kidnapping MJ.
it says and one of his brother is in it. something like that.
Ok, let me go back and reread it again.
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If anyone finds Carmen, let´s invite her to the forum to share opinions!
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It makes me think why the fake rumors that he had no money.....he bought that house just to use it for the "death scene" plus we saw that he didn't even had a real bed in there...(from the photos i saw) it was just mattresses ....it all comes in my mind now and they all connect...just like in a Agatha Christie... :( i think there was indeed a dead body but not Michael's ..and they added more drugs so that it will cause more distress.....(i have a head ache sorry if i said something wrong)
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ok let me see if i have this straight.
carmen and all for love think mike was kidnapped.
esther thinks he got away . but that he is trapped by the circumstances of hoaxers believing that he is responsible for the hoax and it is sony ect. and that he will be in legal trouble to return.
is that it?
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ok let me see if i have this straight.
carmen and all for love think mike was kidnapped.
esther thinks he got away . but that he is trapped by the circumstances of hoaxers believing that he is responsible for the hoax and it is sony ect. and that he will be in legal trouble to return.
is that it?
I think we should call inspector Clouseau.. Honestly what other BS people will come out with. Michael faked his own death, yes, he needed some help to pull a hoax that size. This was all planned from Michael. Why would Sony do that to Michael. Michael agreed to do the concerts. I would have understood if Michael disagreed. Like le papillon blue says," I have a headache", but I have a migraine. Blessings everyone.
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Esther has written one single post here on the forum, introducing herself shortly and referring to her blog (to be found in the section: Other theories, on 3rd January 2011)
She said that she had a dream one year ago (18th January 2010) about Michael's situation and didn't know how to begin with to get the message through (to us).
Events That Led To the ‘Missing’ of Michael Jackson – God Reveals – 3 (“he was forced to hoax his death”)
Filed under: From God's Heart by "Esther" — 3 Comments
January 13, 2011
This is the passage in which she described Carmen's version of the effects of Propofol, given to an already dead person. Now I am sure she speaks of the Carmen who wrote a lot in the Thaiindian paper, who had repeatedly said to have received serious threats if she continued researching. She had always claimed, she had quite substantial proof of her findings and kept them safe somewhere. Suddenly she stopped posting and now we hear she is a friend of a friend, so she is still around and Esther knows this board. It can be assumed, she reads here and can tell Carmen about it. I remember there was a discussion, Carmen didn't want to join a board for various personal reasons.
Esther's (and Carmen's?) theory would be:
A dead body, but Michael alive
A brother involved, savior in the end
Michael can only come back, when people don't think, he hoaxed his death
I just don't know if I fully comprehend the message and theory.
Does it mean, he survived and someone else died / was murdered?
Another theory again, not a new one, but not yet dead.
And what is de troot? Murray is no help either.
Reading Esther's blog with all the religious references and God's guidance make me think of fables with animals telling the story. By slipping into a role (of an animal like a fox or cat or whatever) and not writing in their own words, authors were able to convey a message in a subliminal way, without getting in danger of being persecuted if they spoke of unwanted truth which had to remain hidden from the evil-doers' perspective. God knows everything, he knows the truth. So if she claims to have received the message through him, she doesn't say, she knows, but God, and God cannot be attacked. She may be afraid and fear not to be protected enough or have enough evidence or power to present her theory as the truth.
She seems confident with Michael being alive, whereas Carmen's theory was more of the kidnapping and Michael still being in danger, or even the unthinkable.
But Michael as Dave Dave on Larry King Live and so on and so on, nothing adds up.
Everything is just so strange. What a journey. A criminal case, witness protection program, a hoax, a hoax of a hoax, a cover-up, a movie, a BAM planned, an unsolved puzzle (forever?)
How should a judge find out the ultimate truth and justice if an army of fans researching their butts off have gained a lot of knowledge and personal growth, but still haven't found the answer to the question of all questions.
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Esther has written one single post here on the forum, introducing herself shortly and referring to her blog (to be found in the section: Other theories, on 3rd January 2011)
She said that she had a dream one year ago (18th January 2010) about Michael's situation and didn't know how to begin with to get the message through (to us).
Events That Led To the ‘Missing’ of Michael Jackson – God Reveals – 3 (“he was forced to hoax his death”)
Filed under: From God's Heart by "Esther" — 3 Comments
January 13, 2011
This is the passage in which she described Carmen's version of the effects of Propofol, given to an already dead person. Now I am sure she speaks of the Carmen who wrote a lot in the Thaiindian paper, who had repeatedly said to have received serious threats if she continued researching. She had always claimed, she had quite substantial proof of her findings and kept them safe somewhere. Suddenly she stopped posting and now we hear she is a friend of a friend, so she is still around and Esther knows this board. It can be assumed, she reads here and can tell Carmen about it. I remember there was a discussion, Carmen didn't want to join a board for various personal reasons.
Esther's (and Carmen's?) theory would be:
A dead body, but Michael alive
A brother involved, savior in the end
Michael can only come back, when people don't think, he hoaxed his death
I just don't know if I fully comprehend the message and theory.
Does it mean, he survived and someone else died / was murdered?
Another theory again, not a new one, but not yet dead.
And what is de troot? Murray is no help either.
Reading Esther's blog with all the religious references and God's guidance make me think of fables with animals telling the story. By slipping into a role (of an animal like a fox or cat or whatever) and not writing in their own words, authors were able to convey a message in a subliminal way, without getting in danger of being persecuted if they spoke of unwanted truth which had to remain hidden from the evil-doers' perspective. God knows everything, he knows the truth. So if she claims to have received the message through him, she doesn't say, she knows, but God, and God cannot be attacked. She may be afraid and fear not to be protected enough or have enough evidence or power to present her theory as the truth.
She seems confident with Michael being alive, whereas Carmen's theory was more of the kidnapping and Michael still being in danger, or even the unthinkable.
But Michael as Dave Dave on Larry King Live and so on and so on, nothing adds up.
Everything is just so strange. What a journey. A criminal case, witness protection program, a hoax, a hoax of a hoax, a cover-up, a movie, a BAM planned, an unsolved puzzle (forever?)
How should a judge find out the ultimate truth and justice if an army of fans researching their butts off have gained a lot of knowledge and personal growth, but still haven't found the answer to the question of all questions.
carmen is not a fan of Mjs. Not everyone is a fan of MJ who have been researching.
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Then why not post on the blog instead but with all due respect she is only sharing what she feel. What's the harm?! It's her blog and she can share her God or if you want to call religion views if she chooses to. I mean, don't we express our views here too?! C'mon on, some of us been on this board long enough.
I mean, we post pretty much everything on this board until it gets out of hand. If you would read the very beginning of what I posted. I did included a post that was posted here over a year ago. I also included in this post the Thanindian News.
Now you can believe what you want to believe. That is totally up to you. I am not ignoring nobody's hard work of evidence of their research but not everyone was MJs fan who has been taking a look at this whole June 25th demise. Ok.