Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Theories => Coherent Theories ~ Connect the dots => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on January 22, 2011, 10:53:48 PM
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Before I will start with this theory, I have to tell you that I am still laughing as I am writing this. This one might be worse than the dog theory, the union thread and all other posts that weren't really that appreciated, but it seriously makes perfect sense and I think almost everything can be explained by it. I rechecked some old articles and I really think this is it and if it is, it's hilarious. I skipped a night and everytime I do that, I get thoughts in my head I normally don't get.
If you feel the need to send me medication, please PM me and I will give you my P.O. Box #.
Okay, let's start. I was checking Murray's felony complaint again, because something was off. Here is the complaint:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/charge777.jpg)
According to the complaint, Dr. Murray "did unlawfully, and without malice, kill Michael Joseph Jackson, a human being, in the commission of an unlawful act, not a felony; and in the commission of a lawful act which might have produced death, in an unlawful manner, and without due caution and circumspection."
I remember there has been a poster either here or at the old MJHD on the board or in the chat, mentioned that a 'human being' has no legal definition. I checked that again, and that is true. It should have been 'person' or simply nothing, because we normally would assume that Michael Jackson is a person/human being.
But because I always do around 3 things at once, I decided to take my mind off of the complaint again and look at the Dangerous and Michael album covers again. They seemed so similar and I knew something was up with it, but I couldn't figure out what. But even though they look so similar, there is actually just one thing the same on both. Here are the covers:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/dangerous777.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/michael777.jpg)
The only thing that is the same, is the crowning of the king. And that is when I thought of this. On Dangerous, it is not Michael that is being crowned, it's Bubbles. On Michael on the other hand, it is Michael who is being crowned. Jermaine said at the press conference something like "My brother, The King of Pop has passed away." (sorry, still lousy internet connection, so I can't check the vid now). Quoting 50cent on 'Monster'; "All hell, run tell, the King has risen".
I will get back to the album covers later on.
We have been discussing the public image recently and many times before. We have also discussed the music industry and how they use the artists and control them. They wanted a monkey - Mike gave them a monkey: Bubbles. I think he built the image around the animal, giving them exactly what they wanted (a puppet, a monkey) a circus, a factory where he could make everything they wanted from him, and he would go and hide behind the mask to work on music, short films and this major project. Bubbles - The King of Puppets.
According to Mike he sent Bubbles to a center in 2003, because he started puberty, but that doesn't make sense. Bubbles was born in 1983, so he was 20 in 2003 and a chimp is in his puberty around the age of 8-9.
At eight or nine years a chimp attains puberty and by the age of 15 (years) a male becomes socially mature.
http://whozoo.org/students/brawil/chimps2.htm (http://whozoo.org/students/brawil/chimps2.htm)
What I think is that Bubbles died. Mike was already planning the hoax and as much as he might have loved the animal as well, this could be convenient and I think he froze him. According to TMZ (see http://www.tmz.com (http://www.tmz.com) or the recaps on the forum) the body was in deep freeze, and all of a sudden embalmed. I can imagine that when you defrost a monkey that has been dead for 6 years, you better embalm pretty quickly, because I think the smell would be horrible. It also explains why the body had lividity and rigor mortis set in as if he just died, yet the time of death a mystery to the coroner, because if a body has been frozen, it's very difficult to determine a date of death. That is why the room was heated, to warm up the chimp for the autopsy.
Bubbles was a part of the family, he ate at the table, slept in a bed and went to the toilet. He
lived at the encino home for quite a while until Mike brought him to Neverland. Latoya: " LaToya:
"Bubbles became a human - he became one of us. He ate at the family table just like we do with a
knife and fork."
I also think Mike named Bubbles Michael Joseph Jackson. It was reported somewhere (forgive me, but I really can't remember where, maybe someone else does) that Mike wanted to name all his children Michael Jackson. And he did. All the kids have the name Michael Jackson, yet Michael jr. is called Prince, Prince Michael is called Blanket and we have Paris, who also carries the name Michael. So why not Bubbles, he was kind of his kid as well and as a little brother and son to the Jacksons. Katherine probably loved the animal and gets emotional because of his death and remembering that, or because Mike just put the animal in the freezer
I will just mention some random stuff to explain before I get back to the album covers which I typed to someone before making this post, because I am too tired to get in orde now, I'll reheck tomorrow.
MJ was a druggie, Harvey keeps insisting he was a druggie. Bubbles was taken from a lab and addicted to drugs. Could also explain scars and illnesses, no idea what they did to the animal there
Bubbles was a huge chimp: 5 feet something and 160lbs
Bubbles got sick, lost weight
Bubbles had short black hair
Vitiligo is quite common with chimps
The golden casket was too short, yet TMZ kept saying Michael Jackson was really in the casket
The chimp would have fit
Painkillers found, bubbles was ill
Bubbles peed in a cup; a monkey doesn't care if everyone sees his dick. If he's gotta go he's gotta go
Bubble might even smoked which would explain the sigarettes and long deseases, there are more smoking chimps, just Google
The singing in the third person in Breaking News. Everyone said he wouldn't sing about himself, well maybe he didn't
MJ had doubles for bubbles
MJ and Bubbles wore the same clothes, Bubbles was MJ's 'double' (symbolically of course)
There is a rumor on the net that Bubbles died years ago
Center for Great Apes founder Patti Ragan said: "Bubbles hadn't seen Michael for seven or eight years. If he had been around him he would have felt the loss. Who would have felt the loss? Bubbles over MJ or MJ over his dead chimp? Weird statement. The center probably is sponsored by Mike.
Bubbles also tried to commit suicide (Wiki)
BAD was MJ's last tour...it was Bubbles last tour
Latoya's visit to Bubbles:
http://images.contactmusic.com/newsimag ... 165282.jpg (http://images.contactmusic.com/newsimages/la_toya_visiting_bubbles_1165282.jpg)
To me that looks like a female Orangutan
As mentioned in the dog theory, propofol is used to put animals down[/list]
Sick old frail and balding man that doesn't look like Michael Jackson?
(http://s1.hbvl.be/imgpath/assets_img_gvl/2009/07/02/491252/chimpansee-bubbles-niet-welkom-op-uitvaart-michael-jackson_5_460x0.jpg)
There is probably more, I haven't been through all the recaps and Bubbles articles yet.
Let's assume this monkey theory is right, and bubbles had vitiligo...Maybe Mike didn't. I saw that TMZ posted about White Chicks (movie) this week, 2 black guys being sprayed white. I am still wondering about the cream that Murray had to hide, bleaching cream. Why shouldn't he want anyone to know? It's a common vitiligo treatment, nothing to be ashamed of. But bleaching cream can be temporarily. How many times did we see him in those 20 years? He really WAS pretty private. He allegedly was doing his make-up for hours before he came out of his bedroom, why? Your face is done in a few minutes, half hour max. Put some clothes on and finished.
Back to the album covers. On Dangerous he hides behind the mask, image 'taking over'. Shy, naive and what else, while the smart businessman is pulling the strings from behind the curtain and 'producing' the life of Michael Jackson.
On the Michael cover, the mask is gone. We see his complete work behind him, up until 2009. There are two sides though. Everything before 1988 (dark side, pre-hoax) and everything from 1988 on (light side, hoax). Dark-Light / Black-White. Mike is crowned and on the cover he is black again. That must mean something.
Bubbles died, the King of pop died with all his fake ID's and stuff around him. The king has risen, 'Mike crowned again, taking back control.
Let me make clear that I am not saying that the all he did was only because of his image and for the hoax. I am not saying that because I believe that although we have seen the public image, all his good work was from his heart. So please let's not get into discussion about that, because that is not what I mean. The king of pop was a distraction for the media. It has been one big media mindfuck and I bet there is a lot of video footage. Could you imagine what would happen if the monkey was really dead and the whole media drama was over a monkey? Reporting breaking news that clearly doesn't add up since even 13-year-olds found this board (no offense meant with that, I hope you get me) about a dead monkey? I would love to see their faces...
On a sidenote: I think Murray is home free, what do we have here:
A preliminary hearing is held only on felony cases and is conducted before a magistrate judge.
http://www2.state.id.us/fourthjudicial/ ... ocess.html (http://www2.state.id.us/fourthjudicial/FOURTH%20DISTRICT/CriminalCaseProcess.html)
In the United States federal courts, magistrate judges are appointed to assist United States district court judges in the performance of their duties. Magistrate judges are authorized by 28 U.S.C. § 631 et seq.
While district judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the United States Senate for lifetime tenure, magistrate judges are appointed by a majority vote of the federal district judges of a particular district and serve terms of eight years if full-time, or four years if part-time, and may be reappointed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magistrate_Judge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magistrate_Judge)
Michael Pastors is not a magistrate judge:
Conrad Murray Judge -- So Tough, So Smart
4/5/2010 9:40 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/04/05/0405_michael_edward_pastor_ex.jpg)
Sources tell TMZ the judge who will get the Conrad Murray manslaughter case is one of the toughest, smartest judges on the bench in L.A. County.
Court sources tell TMZ that L.A. County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor will be assigned Murray's case today, following a brief hearing with the Supervising Judge of the L.A. County Superior Court.
Judge Pastor has handled some high-profile cases, including the case involving topless pics of Cameron Diaz, Jason Priestley's DUI case, and a slew of other high-profile, non-celeb cases.
Note to lawyers in the case -- Pastor is extremely tough, and nothing gets past him. He reads every legal doc in his cases and makes it a point to become an expert on whatever the case involves.
Judge Pastor also knows something about addiction -- he's renowned at the courthouse as having a frequent flier mileage addiction, often flying pointlessly over a weekend just to rack up mileage points.
He's getting the Judicial Excellence Award from the L.A. County Criminal Courts Bar Association this weekend.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/05/conrad-mu ... slaughter/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/05/conrad-murray-judge-michael-jackson-la-county-superior-court-manslaughter/)
Judge Pastor is a heavyweight, and Harve already pointed that out. Too bad we are no legal savvys here. Next time put something like "Conrad Murray Judge -- TOO Tough, TOO Smart" as a title, maybe we will notice then.
Murray also entered a plea at his first hearing, oops:
Though often referred to as an arraignment, a first appearance is a separate court event. A defendant charged with a felony may not enter a plea at the first appearance, but he must do so at the arraignment.
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If a defendant is bound over to the district court on a felony charge, he or she must then appear for arraignment before a district judge. At the arraignment in district court, the defendant is again advised of his or her rights and the procedures the court will follow from that time forward. It is at this stage of the proceeding that the felony defendant may enter a plea.
http://www2.state.id.us/fourthjudicial/ ... ocess.html (http://www2.state.id.us/fourthjudicial/FOURTH%20DISTRICT/CriminalCaseProcess.html)
But all that is not important, because it wasn't even a felony in the first place.
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http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpb ... .php?f=122 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=122)
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 921AAXOVqK (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100311223921AAXOVqK)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-t ... -a-mystery (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-time-of-death-a-mystery)
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=52918 (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=52918)
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/st ... es_1165282 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/michael-jackson-trusted-bubbles_1165282)
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tm ... _02_wm.pdf (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0208_murray_02_wm.pdf)
http://www2.state.id.us/fourthjudicial/ ... ocess.html (http://www2.state.id.us/fourthjudicial/FOURTH%20DISTRICT/CriminalCaseProcess.html)
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Okay........
One thing I absolutely believe is that Michael did become a dancing puppet and he knew it.
After his initial rocket to fame as he even put it [loosely quoting here] "I've been in the business so long I feel like an old man."
Then he contracted to produce so many records and tour to promote them via touring...which also meant getting mobbed and living his life in a fish bowl.
The fun had gone out of that for him year's ago.
It had to be SO hard for him!
He was a little rebel in his own way and when he bucked the system they bucked back...in a BIG way....to keep their "monkey money machine"[with the mega Beatles catalog] in line and in his cage.
I have often wondered how he could stand it...how he endured it....after watching so many video's of him being mobbed, followed, people screaming "it's Michael Jackson" watching his nervous reaction while he tried to maintain.
I am surprised he hung around as long as he did....I know I personally could not.
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Souza, no disrespect but I might be crazy too coz this does make sense in a weird way! Imagine the faces of non- believers if this is the case :$
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[youtube:1xduj009]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHHLhRpbrsI&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:1xduj009]
This is as wild as it gets but actually it's an intriguing theory, Souza, and in many ways insightful. (e.g. definition of human being; all children to be named michael jackson; album covers -- on Dangerous the crowning is for the chimp; brown Michael on new album cover really must mean something; propofol could be for an animal...) this is particularly thought-provoking and true:
We have been discussing the public image recently and many times before. We have also discussed the music industry and how they use the artists and control them. They wanted a monkey - Mike gave them a monkey: Bubbles. I think he built the image around the animal, giving them exactly what they wanted (a puppet, a monkey) a circus, a factory where he could make everything they wanted from him, and he would go and hide behind the mask to work on music, short films and this major project. Bubbles - The King of Puppets. According to Mike he sent Bubbles to a center in 2003, because he started puberty, but that doesn't make sense. Bubbles was born in 1983, so he was 20 in 2003 and a chimp is in his puberty around the age of 8-9.
Not sure about not having vitiligo though. MJ, the man, :D seems to have it and how do we know it's true that he spent hours applying make-up? That could be a made up story. Many times there are pictures of MJ without makeup or not much of it - a couple of interviews too, particularly if he's unshaven. He is gorgeous unshaven and w/o make-up. I don't believe MJ felt he couldn't be seen without make-up. Maybe the cream was something for Bubbles and that's why Murray didn't want anyone to see it IF that story is even true - it could very well not be - just some diversion. I really don't think there was any "cream". Yet, anything's possible here but I've seen signs of the vitiligo since the 80's. That said, the brown Michael on the album cover - a late 70's Michael - has to mean something, I agree.
It's interesting that the part of the Dangerous album cover on the Michael cover is 3-tiered starting with Dangerous face with the police force above and then suited up Michael and above that the History cover Michael... No Bubbles on this part...
What would be difficult to reconcile in your theory is the dead body, the autopsy report, etc. if Bubbles died and this is the body the emt's saw, the extent to which the hospital, coroner, emt's are involved would be extensive and I thought TS says it is unlikely to have so many people involved. Although another body - a fake one- could have been used as part of the trap door clown/magic act/illusion/trick. This is the hardest part for me to fit into your theory, though.
I really could see MJ loving Bubbles so much that he had him interred in Forest Lawn. And the memorial and funeral having a double meaning as in goodbye to the King of Pop as well as Bubbles who was also named Michael Jackson. Why not?
I agree, the hoax is for very serious reasons as well as demonstrating all the monkey business going down.
"MJ had doubles for Bubbles" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
(Here's a question: when would Bubbles birthday have been? :D )
Lyrics: Monkey Business by Michael jackson
Well, Lord have mercy
Well, Lord have mercy
This ain't no good for me
This ain't no good for me, babe
Well, Lord have mercy
Well, Lord have mercy
Ain't no good for me, babe
Tell me what's goin' down, babe
Every time I wanna say it, it is
Just too much for me
I don't ever wanna say it cause of
All the blasphemy
Everybody's doin' it to somebody's love
In sight of me
I might tell on you
Don't you start no stuff with me
Your brother's got kids with
your mother in law
I might drop dead about what I saw
I caught your mother, she doin' a dude
You can't like it that I'm lookin' right at you
Stop it, it's too much
Monkey business goin' down
Well, Lord have mercy
Well, Lord have mercy
Don't be callin' out "mercy me" (Don't be callin' out "mercy me")
Don't be callin' down, babe (Don't be callin' out mercy)
Well, Lord have mercy
Even burst the breast
Don't be callin' out "mercy me" (Don't be callin' out "mercy me")
Don't be goin' down, babe (Don't be callin' out "mercy")
Every time I wanna say it, it is
Just too much for me
Everybody's doin' it to somebody's love
It seems to me
I just can't believe the things I'm seein'
So just let it be
I might tell on you
So don't you start no stuff with me
Your brother's got kids with
your mother in law
I might drop dead about what I saw
I caught your mother, she doin' a dude
You can't like it that I'm lookin' right at you
Stop it, it's too much
Monkey business goin' down
I read the paper and I can't believe what's goin' round
Somebody's doin' it to somebody's up, somebody's down
The government won't pay my taxes and I'm really mad
My mouth might let it be
So don't you monkey shy with me
Your brother's got kids with
your mother in law
I might drop dead about what I saw
I caught your mother, she doin' a dude
You can't like it that I'm lookin' right at you
Your brother's gone and kissed
The mother in law
I might tell Dad about what I saw
Your brother didn't make a nickle, or dime too
Sittin' around tellin' how he did it to you
Stop it, it's too much
Monkey business goin' down
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
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I must read the Thread in the evening if I have time!!! Thanks.
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Souza your mind is an incredible thing, to come up with stuff like this and connect all the dots when most of us would be too scared to admit even thinking it in the first place in case we were laughed off the board!! It actually does make a lot of sense though so I'm glad you have the courage of your convictions and that you aren't afraid to put theories like this out there. Some people might think it's crazy but I'm not one of them, Bubbles being crowned on the Dangerous cover speaks volumes in my opinion.
Who knows if there's some secret we have to unlock before the rest of the hoax can play out, nobody said there was a prize awaiting the person who figures it all out but I can't help but wonder if somehow we do have more of a role than we realise. Why else are we being left all these clues, when MJ knows we're (at the moment) the only ones who are really paying any attention? I reckon it's up to us to spread the word once the time is right and we have it figured out once and for all. No idea when that'll be as it's so complex, sometimes I think he thinks we're a lot smarter than we actually are even though there are so many super-smart people here! ;) I'm thankful that we're being gently guided along the way, so many paths to go down we'd be trying to work it all out forever otherwise!
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Souza, you are something :lol: :lol:
If this is the situation, Michael´s repported death is Dadaism in a nutshell :lol: :lol:
Anyway, Bubbles has been also part of the hypothesis. Who knows if he had an ID and he is the one who died and Michael wanted to burry him in a human cementery and not an animal one.
But, didn´t LaToya visit Bubbles recently? a living Bubbles?
When I saw that video I metaphorically connected Michael with Bubbles, as Michael not knowing who he is or remembering his family members, having an identity crisis, but not now, after the 2005 trials. That much stress could have cost him a serious mental break down, so deep, that The King of Pop does not exist any longer, has been erased from Michael´s mind, and now Michael is not who we know. The concept of Murray may be?
Some how I feel that Michael Jackson the artist does not want people to know who he really is.
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Souza, you rock!
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Souza, you rock!
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Shipment of Xanax and Prince Valium is on the way!
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:lol: ;)
I think your theory might fit in the hoax theory covered with the satiric humor Michael likes. And if you consider the TMZ's "Casket Mystery Solved" post:
/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=8529&p=265710&hilit=casket+mystery#p265710 and the funeral sales guy who's selling a similar casket of MJ (sorry I can't recall the thread), is this the same kind of eyewinking humor.
Talking about judge Pastor I'm thinking of the TMZ post: http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/13/harvey-le ... tmz-on-tv/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/13/harvey-levin-sings-my-way-tmz-live-frank-sinatra-tmz-on-tv/) in which a small part of the movie "What's Up Doc" was shown. In that movie there's a judge who is addicted to pills http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ncFob_dF0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ncFob_dF0) :lol: ;)
And you're right about Bubbles being a hominid/human being: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human)
The Hominidae (anglicized hominids, also known as great apes[notes 1]), as the term is used here, form a taxonomic family, including four extant genera: chimpanzees, gorillas, humans, and orangutans.[1] In the past, the term was used in the more restricted sense of humans and relatives of humans closer than chimpanzees.
A number of known extinct genera are grouped with humans in the Homininae subfamily, others with orangutans in the Ponginae subfamily. The most recent common ancestor of the Hominidae lived roughly 14 million years ago,[2] when the ancestors of the orangutans speciated from the ancestors of the other three genera.[3] The ancestors of the Hominidae family had already speciated from those of the Hylobatidae family, perhaps 15-20 million years ago.[3][4]
Family tree showing the extant hominoids: humans (genus Homo), chimpanzees (genus Pan), gorillas (genus Gorilla), orangutans (genus Pongo), and gibbons (four genera of the family Hylobatidae: Hylobates, Hoolock, Nomascus, and Symphalangus). All except gibbons are hominids.
The next article is from a not so reliable tabloidish paper, but has some interesting points concerning Michael and Bubbles.
Bubbles and Michael Jackson's relationship was bananas
By Jim Shelley 20/09/2010
Michael Jackson & Bubbles: The Untold Story started with a series of claims more worthy of some demented satire.
“You actually felt Bubbles was a kid in a monkey suit,” stated Jackson’s biographer.
“Bubbles became a human,” simpered Jackson’s not-at-all bonkers sister, La Toya.
“Michael Jackson’s life was extraordinary.”
OK this one was true.
“How did the world’s most famous chimp end up behind bars?” the narrator asked with all the gravity of a reporter on Panorama as if Bubbles had been convicted of possession of Class A drugs.
First, the show established why Jackson loved Bubbles so.
“He craved love and affection. And he found it with Bubbles.” (Let’s not go there.)
“Two lives – man and ape – became entangled.” Blimey.
Next, they wheeled out a series of Californian fruitcakes/esteemed experts to explain Jacko’s state of mind.
“I don’t think you can ignore the influence of his early ¬childhood,” declared Sari ¬Shepphird – a piercing insight I’m sure you’ll agree.
“You get a damn good hug from a chimp,” said evolutionary psychologist and ape expert Carole Jahme. “That is perhaps the kind of strength of hug he’d have liked from his father.”
Bubbles was his dad, basically. And – when the Jackson 5 became an international ¬phenomenon – one of many animal surrogates for friends.
“He had quite a few rats,” said La Toya fondly. “His first one, I recall it being a little white mouse…” Eh?!?
“He just started to not trust people. He started to think that everybody had a hidden agenda because, generally thinking, most people did.”
This was the view of J. Randy Taraborrelli – Jackson’s one-time friend who himself (presumably reluctantly) wrote a biography about Jackson.
Jackson, as the “documentary” explained, implored doctors to operate on Bubbles’ vocal chords so that he could talk.
“But all the money in the world wasn’t going to grant Jackson his wish,” intoned the narrator, in case you thought it could.
“Their larynx isn’t positioned in the right place for speech,” confirmed Jahme. “It’s too high up in the throat.” So that’s that. Often, it seemed, Jackson used Bubbles to generate press coverage for himself.
“This way, his private life was not penetrated by the press,” Mark Lester said, perhaps unfortunately.
But ultimately Jackson abandoned him (that’s Bubbles, not Lester).
“Michael didn’t survive showbusiness but Bubbles did,” the narrator declared sombrely – as if their lives were entwined.
Bubbles is 26 now and weighs 200lbs (he’s grown into a gorilla basically) and lives in “a retirement community for ex-showbusiness apes” (only in America).
“When Michael died,” pondered Patti Ragan, founder of the Centre for Great Apes, “one of the questions that came to me was: has anyone told Bubbles?”
She had decided not to tell him, or show him any pictures of his former owner.
Enter La Toya (as it were), who claimed it was “my dream” to be reunited with the now-quite-aggressive chimp.
“It’s been 20 something years,” she sighed, prompting the notion that if she cared that much, she could have visited Bubbles before. Maybe taken him some bananas…
“The visit might be a way to help La Toya find closure,” suggested the narrator.
After a while she asked Ragan, “Can I say a couple of words to Bubbles alone?”
Whispering, La Toya tried – as Michael had with the vocal chords idea – to communicate with him, prompting the bizarre, strangely moving, sight of watching La Toya talking to a monkey, crying.
“I think you remember me don’t you?” she sobbed. Bubbles just moved off. Whether he did remember her, you couldn’t really tell.
And so despite this probing Channel 4 documentary, Bubbles remained an enigma.
Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/201 ... z1Bs1MgNY1 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2010/09/20/bubbles-and-michael-jackson-s-relationship-was-bananas-115875-22573862/#ixzz1Bs1MgNY1)
Everything is possible. This could be a great theory, eccentric, satirical , yet sad and inevitably necessary at the same time :(
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AMAZING SOUZA super great post thank you.
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I mean no disrespect by asking the following questions. I am really wondering.
I am wondering why a chimp would need bleaching cream? (I feel goofy even typing that question, because it's so out there.) If he did have vitiligo, isn't the cream just for cosmetic purposes? Or does the cream help with pain? Would a chimp have to "look good?" I'm confused...maybe my brain doesn't allow me to think THAT far out of the box.
Also, I agree with SOL, there would have to be a lot more people involved if Bubbles was in fact the body.
The theory is entertaining, though. I guess we won't know how far out this hoax goes until Michael returns.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
The theory sounds crazy but also sounds plausible at some points. Bubbles could be dead and that could be the reason why Latoya was crying when she saw that monkey and Mrs Jackson was sad too but I do not think that it was his body that was used for the autopsy and etc.
I mean no disrespect by asking the following questions. I am really wondering.
I am wondering why a chimp would need bleaching cream? (I feel goofy even typing that question, because it's so out there.) If he did have vitiligo, isn't the cream just for cosmetic purposes? Or does the cream help with pain? Would a chimp have to "look good?" I'm confused...maybe my brain doesn't allow me to think THAT far out of the box.
Also, I agree with SOL, there would have to be a lot more people involved if Bubbles was in fact the body.
The theory is entertaining, though. I guess we won't know how far out this hoax goes until Michael returns.
Agree anewfan. Bleaching cream is not used to get the pain and also Vitiligo doesn't give any physical pain. It doesn't make sense to me why a monkey would use a bleaching cream. :lol: No disrespect Souza, loved your theory and it cracked me up to think Bubbles with bleaching cream on his face :lol:
Michael had vitiligo IF he didn't make those white patches on his neck and hands with make-up for whatever reason. And I do not see any reason for him to create a vitiligo illusion because I don't believe that he wanted to become a white person and used Vitiligo as an excuse to bleach his skin and become white. He always said that he is proud of his race. He had vitiligo and with the depigmentation treatment he became white. I don't know if Bubbles had also vitiligo. Never saw any white patches on him.
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This is as wild as it gets but actually it's an intriguing theory, Souza, and in many ways insightful. (e.g. definition of human being; all children to be named michael jackson; album covers -- on Dangerous the crowning is for the chimp; brown Michael on new album cover really must mean something; propofol could be for an animal...) this is particularly thought-provoking and true:
We have been discussing the public image recently and many times before. We have also discussed the music industry and how they use the artists and control them. They wanted a monkey - Mike gave them a monkey: Bubbles. I think he built the image around the animal, giving them exactly what they wanted (a puppet, a monkey) a circus, a factory where he could make everything they wanted from him, and he would go and hide behind the mask to work on music, short films and this major project. Bubbles - The King of Puppets. According to Mike he sent Bubbles to a center in 2003, because he started puberty, but that doesn't make sense. Bubbles was born in 1983, so he was 20 in 2003 and a chimp is in his puberty around the age of 8-9.
Not sure about not having vitiligo though. MJ, the man, :D seems to have it and how do we know it's true that he spent hours applying make-up? That could be a made up story. Many times there are pictures of MJ without makeup or not much of it - a couple of interviews too, particularly if he's unshaven. He is gorgeous unshaven and w/o make-up. I don't believe MJ felt he couldn't be seen without make-up. Maybe the cream was something for Bubbles and that's why Murray didn't want anyone to see it IF that story is even true - it could very well not be - just some diversion. I really don't think there was any "cream". Yet, anything's possible here but I've seen signs of the vitiligo since the 80's. That said, the brown Michael on the album cover - a late 70's Michael - has to mean something, I agree.
It's interesting that the part of the Dangerous album cover on the Michael cover is 3-tiered starting with Dangerous face with the police force above and then suited up Michael and above that the History cover Michael... No Bubbles on this part...
What would be difficult to reconcile in your theory is the dead body, the autopsy report, etc. if Bubbles died and this is the body the emt's saw, the extent to which the hospital, coroner, emt's are involved would be extensive and I thought TS says it is unlikely to have so many people involved. Although another body - a fake one- could have been used as part of the trap door clown/magic act/illusion/trick. This is the hardest part for me to fit into your theory, though.
I really could see MJ loving Bubbles so much that he had him interred in Forest Lawn. And the memorial and funeral having a double meaning as in goodbye to the King of Pop as well as Bubbles who was also named Michael Jackson. Why not?
I agree, the hoax is for very serious reasons as well as demonstrating all the monkey business going down.
"MJ had doubles for Bubbles" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
(Here's a question: when would Bubbles birthday have been? :D )
Lyrics: Monkey Business by Michael jackson
Well, Lord have mercy
Well, Lord have mercy
This ain't no good for me
This ain't no good for me, babe
Well, Lord have mercy
Well, Lord have mercy
Ain't no good for me, babe
Tell me what's goin' down, babe
Every time I wanna say it, it is
Just too much for me
I don't ever wanna say it cause of
All the blasphemy
Everybody's doin' it to somebody's love
In sight of me
I might tell on you
Don't you start no stuff with me
Your brother's got kids with
your mother in law
I might drop dead about what I saw
I caught your mother, she doin' a dude
You can't like it that I'm lookin' right at you
Stop it, it's too much
Monkey business goin' down
Well, Lord have mercy
Well, Lord have mercy
Don't be callin' out "mercy me" (Don't be callin' out "mercy me")
Don't be callin' down, babe (Don't be callin' out mercy)
Well, Lord have mercy
Even burst the breast
Don't be callin' out "mercy me" (Don't be callin' out "mercy me")
Don't be goin' down, babe (Don't be callin' out "mercy")
Every time I wanna say it, it is
Just too much for me
Everybody's doin' it to somebody's love
It seems to me
I just can't believe the things I'm seein'
So just let it be
I might tell on you
So don't you start no stuff with me
Your brother's got kids with
your mother in law
I might drop dead about what I saw
I caught your mother, she doin' a dude
You can't like it that I'm lookin' right at you
Stop it, it's too much
Monkey business goin' down
I read the paper and I can't believe what's goin' round
Somebody's doin' it to somebody's up, somebody's down
The government won't pay my taxes and I'm really mad
My mouth might let it be
So don't you monkey shy with me
Your brother's got kids with
your mother in law
I might drop dead about what I saw
I caught your mother, she doin' a dude
You can't like it that I'm lookin' right at you
Your brother's gone and kissed
The mother in law
I might tell Dad about what I saw
Your brother didn't make a nickle, or dime too
Sittin' around tellin' how he did it to you
Stop it, it's too much
Monkey business goin' down
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
(Monkey business goin' down)
sounds to me like he wrote this after a morning of watching jerry springer and maury povich
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After reflecting about this post most of the day, If Bubbles were in the coffin, how can he fit? When Latoya visited Bubbles( if it is Bubbles) the chimp was humungous. I have a hard time believing it. Also how can the coroner do autopsy, wouldn't he know that it is not a human being but an animal? Wouldn't he ask questions? I am trying to understand also. But Souza like i said before AMAZING..
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After reflecting about this post most of the day, If Bubbles were in the coffin, how can he fit? When Latoya visited Bubbles( if it is Bubbles) the chimp was humungous. I have a hard time believing it. Also how can the coroner do autopsy, wouldn't he know that it is not a human being but an animal? Wouldn't he ask questions? I am trying to understand also. But Souza like i said before AMAZING..
If the chimp was around 5'6", than he would fit. The monkey Latoya visited looks like an orangutan instead of a chimp, and if Bubbles died a few years ago, the monkey Latoya visited wasn't Bubbles after all.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
The theory sounds crazy but also sounds plausible at some points. Bubbles could be dead and that could be the reason why Latoya was crying when she saw that monkey and Mrs Jackson was sad too but I do not think that it was his body that was used for the autopsy and etc.
I mean no disrespect by asking the following questions. I am really wondering.
I am wondering why a chimp would need bleaching cream? (I feel goofy even typing that question, because it's so out there.) If he did have vitiligo, isn't the cream just for cosmetic purposes? Or does the cream help with pain? Would a chimp have to "look good?" I'm confused...maybe my brain doesn't allow me to think THAT far out of the box.
Also, I agree with SOL, there would have to be a lot more people involved if Bubbles was in fact the body.
The theory is entertaining, though. I guess we won't know how far out this hoax goes until Michael returns.
Agree anewfan. Bleaching cream is not used to get the pain and also Vitiligo doesn't give any physical pain. It doesn't make sense to me why a monkey would use a bleaching cream. :lol: No disrespect Souza, loved your theory and it cracked me up to think Bubbles with bleaching cream on his face :lol:
Michael had vitiligo IF he didn't make those white patches on his neck and hands with make-up for whatever reason. And I do not see any reason for him to create a vitiligo illusion because I don't believe that he wanted to become a white person and used Vitiligo as an excuse to bleach his skin and become white. He always said that he is proud of his race. He had vitiligo and with the depigmentation treatment he became white. I don't know if Bubbles had also vitiligo. Never saw any white patches on him.
I think that part was misunderstood. I never said that Bubbles used the cream. I meant Mike, IF he didn't had vitiligo. I'm not sure about that either, it's just that the cover of the new album and some other things made me think that he didn't. Pretending to have vitiligo would be a hell of a disguise and would throw a lot of people off. He could do whatever he wanted without people recognizing him. I am not saying it is a fact, because I am too confused about it myself when I look at some pictures. I only mention it as a possibility from my point of view and the new album cover reminded me again of that thought. It is the first cover since the Thriller album where we see him black again. It also has nothing to do with not wanting to be black, because I do believe he was proud to be a black man. If this was the case, it was for distraction and safety reasons. But like I said, when I see certain pictures it makes me doubt that theory, because we do see patches. But what is the meaning of the album cover in that case? Everything that has to do with MJ is full of symbolism, so this means something, I have no doubt about it.
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Sinderella » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:10 pm
Shipment of Xanax and Prince Valium is on the way!
LOL!!
Needles to say to whoever posted the song lyrics to Monkey Business I LOVE that song...Yeeeeeeeeeeee!
I kinda had to chop it up for my sig line. :mrgreen:
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Souza if you are not right, you should be because this is just too funny!
All this reminds me of Monkey Business. On a hunch I looked this up and found that there were two movies made by this name. One was a Marx Brothers movie where the inadvertently get mixed up in the mob. The other was one which starred Cary Grant and Marilyn Monroe. In it, the chimp inadvertently discovers the secret of eternal youth. Recall that Michael said he wanted to live forever. Perhaps there's a connection.
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Also, in reference to the "Monkey Business" lyrics... also contains the line "it's just too much for me" Remember someone was asking about that line from "Behind the Mask" where they heard it before in another song. Well, this song wasn't mentioned. So connection there with Monkey Business and Behind the Mask.
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Also, in reference to the "Monkey Business" lyrics... also contains the line "it's just too much for me" Remember someone was asking about that line from "Behind the Mask" where they heard it before in another song. Well, this song wasn't mentioned. So connection there with Monkey Business and Behind the Mask.
Oh, that's interesting...
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First : Souza i like you but ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Second : i agree on the symbol of the monkey and the crowned king etc...And maybe Michael used Bubble as a symbol to say that he is "the monkey of the story"
Do I believe MJ froze his beloved pet, somehow his kid, to use the body for hoax purpose...i really doubt this.
I think some people spread the rumor Bubble was dead because they wanted to proove that the monkey was mistreated, which is wrong. I do believe 80kg monkey is not easy to deal with when you start to have a family life. All the TRUST you can put in an animal is nothing against the GUILT feeling you'll get when an accident will happen between your animal and your kids. Bubble is an animal, even if he lived the life of a human being...That must be my strong will not to humanize animals, but I do think Bubble was put in a center so he could live a chimp life and feel more comfortable when his strengh and his needs. Dealing social relationship with a 80kg pet is not that easy i think, even if MJ is "the best" :roll:
BUT, what I notice is that Bubble was given to a center before all the mess. How could Michael be away for hoax purpose, with a 80kg chimp ??
Last : on the picture with Latoya, this is deff. a chimpanze, not an orang outang.
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Souza....I'm glad you started out your post laughing, because I laughed so hard I had to quit reading numerous times :))) This shows you're human and good natured.
Great post. Honest, that's amazing investigating. I'm so glad we have you, and you are doing a great job, I have wanted to say this for quite awhile...picked a crazy time to tell you didn't I? :D
I really think there are tons of loose ends to gather on this theory, but I'm sure you can tie them up. I'm excited to read them. And I'm sure TMZ will be all over it, as here we'd been talking about where Jemaine is for a few days, I've msgd. them there asking, and Bam! they post!.. They watch us. Hello TMZ. Glad to have you as a messenger to us.
Keep on this for us Souza cuz I'm sorta ...lost?? :D GREAT job, great investigating and really observing.
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I do not encounter but there is a video of Paris saying something of a monkey..
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So if the monkey theory is correct (and I for one, really hope it is ;) perhaps there is a meaning to burying a monkey. Ever hear of having a monkey on your back? Did MJ finally get his freedom when he got that monkey off his back and buried it forever?
Kinda reminds me of my favorite Robbie Williams song Me and my Monkey. It's a cautionary tail. Don't tango in Las Vegas with a Monkey.
Some have connected Robbie to MJ. Perhaps there's a message here. In any case, it's really fun to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsNVigqFEpM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsNVigqFEpM)
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oops. forgot the link
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HaHaHa I don't think he was thinking of the Jerry Springer Show when he penned this song...I think he was thinking about his Brother's and how his family has become SO dysfunctional.... :mrgreen: thazzz just my opinion.
Every time I wanna say it, it is
Just too much for me
Everybody's doin' it to somebody's love
It seems to me
I just can't believe the things I'm seein'
So just let it be
I might tell on you
So don't you start no stuff with me
Your brother's got kids with
your mother in law
I might drop dead about what I saw
I caught your mother, she doin' a dude
You can't like it that I'm lookin' right at you
Stop it, it's too much
Monkey business goin' down
I read the paper and I can't believe what's goin' round
Somebody's doin' it to somebody's up, somebody's down
The government won't pay my taxes and I'm really mad
My mouth might let it be
So don't you monkey shy with me
Your brother's got kids with
your mother in law
I might drop dead about what I saw
I caught your mother, she doin' a dude
You can't like it that I'm lookin' right at you
Your brother's gone and kissed
The mother in law
I might tell Dad about what I saw
Your brother didn't make a nickle, or dime too
Sittin' around tellin' how he did it to you
Stop it, it's too much
Monkey business goin' down
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:? Uh....
Questions: how could a thawed corpse of a primate EVER be mistaken for the dying body of a human being by medical professionals???? The feet, the hands, the general MUG of a monkey looks nothing like a man. Anyone would know the difference, especially a paramedic. Even an old man still looks like a human. Do you mean to say that MJ had the animal shaved before freezing? GROSS. :o That he had the "southern" thumbs removed??? I don't know...this corpse mutilation of someone (I could plainly see previously) that he loved to death, is waaaaaay too creepy for me. :shock: Yucky! The flesh of the dead is different than someone in the throws of death. They would KNOW by certain details (ick, no "spring" to the flesh...eeeuuuwww) that there had been no life in the body of the animal for days. And, er...by law, a dead animal would no way be allowed inside a human hospital, just for sanitation's sake, unless it were a shark attached to a living victim/patient.
I'll accept it as a Fantastically creative metaphor, but, eeewww, not literally true. Have you been sleepin' in the poppies, dear? ;) :lol:
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:? Uh....
Questions: how could a thawed corpse of a primate EVER be mistaken for the dying body of a human being by medical professionals???? The feet, the hands, the general MUG of a monkey looks nothing like a man. Anyone would know the difference, especially a paramedic. Even an old man still looks like a human. Do you mean to say that MJ had the animal shaved before freezing? GROSS. :o That he had the "southern" thumbs removed??? I don't know...this corpse mutilation of someone (I could plainly see previously) that he loved to death, is waaaaaay too creepy for me. :shock: Yucky! The flesh of the dead is different than someone in the throws of death. They would KNOW by certain details (ick, no "spring" to the flesh...eeeuuuwww) that there had been no life in the body of the animal for days. And, er...by law, a dead animal would no way be allowed inside a human hospital, just for sanitation's sake, unless it were a shark attached to a living victim/patient.
I'll accept it as a Fantastically creative metaphor, but, eeewww, not literally true. Have you been sleepin' in the poppies, dear? ;) :lol:
Of course I don't think that the EMT's have mistaken a monkey for a person, it's not that bad with my sanity! I think the EMT's are in the know, that they are actors BESIDES their jobs as EMT and I think they say what's in the script and that they signed a confidentiality agreement. The ambulance not being in a hurry and backing out confirms that for me. I think the EMT's had either a dummy or a double in the ambulance, which they brought to UCLA. The coroner might have received the monkey to be able to perform an autopsy, the coroner must be in the know because you can't tell me he didn't realize that it wasn't MJ on his table IF there was a real body, and in case there was no body, he must know as well. In any case, the coroner knows. Craigh Harvey and Ed Winter as well. I think a double arrived at UCLA and I think the normal staff that DID see him, was told that UCLA was a distraction for the media and that MJ was taken elsewhere (Cedar's). Some bobos from UCLA must know as well.
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Klein says there were numerous times when Jackson would pee in the doctor's home -- in a cup!!! -- around groups of people, including children.
Klein says Jackson would also pee in front of other people in his office.
that would fit more to a chimp than to MJ.. :lol:
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:? Uh....
Questions: how could a thawed corpse of a primate EVER be mistaken for the dying body of a human being by medical professionals???? The feet, the hands, the general MUG of a monkey looks nothing like a man. Anyone would know the difference, especially a paramedic. Even an old man still looks like a human. Do you mean to say that MJ had the animal shaved before freezing? GROSS. :o That he had the "southern" thumbs removed??? I don't know...this corpse mutilation of someone (I could plainly see previously) that he loved to death, is waaaaaay too creepy for me. :shock: Yucky! The flesh of the dead is different than someone in the throws of death. They would KNOW by certain details (ick, no "spring" to the flesh...eeeuuuwww) that there had been no life in the body of the animal for days. And, er...by law, a dead animal would no way be allowed inside a human hospital, just for sanitation's sake, unless it were a shark attached to a living victim/patient.
I'll accept it as a Fantastically creative metaphor, but, eeewww, not literally true. Have you been sleepin' in the poppies, dear? ;) :lol:
Of course I don't think that the EMT's have mistaken a monkey for a person, it's not that bad with my sanity! I think the EMT's are in the know, that they are actors BESIDES their jobs as EMT and I think they say what's in the script and that they signed a confidentiality agreement. The ambulance not being in a hurry and backing out confirms that for me. I think the EMT's had either a dummy or a double in the ambulance, which they brought to UCLA. The coroner might have received the monkey to be able to perform an autopsy, the coroner must be in the know because you can't tell me he didn't realize that it wasn't MJ on his table IF there was a real body, and in case there was no body, he must know as well. In any case, the coroner knows. Craigh Harvey and Ed Winter as well. I think a double arrived at UCLA and I think the normal staff that DID see him, was told that UCLA was a distraction for the media and that MJ was taken elsewhere (Cedar's). Some bobos from UCLA must know as well.
I agree that at least one person from the Coroner's (probably the chief guy) had to know. The person who did the autopsy may not necessarily have recognised MJ but if he was told by his boss, he would just accept it and do as he is told. Only one person from the police would need know also for the same reasons as the Coroner. The Chief guy would just tell the others what to do and not give them details. Same goes for the Chief at the Hospital. So really, only 3 major people need know about the hoax - their minions would just do as they were asked and get on with their jobs.
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:? Uh....
Questions: how could a thawed corpse of a primate EVER be mistaken for the dying body of a human being by medical professionals???? The feet, the hands, the general MUG of a monkey looks nothing like a man. Anyone would know the difference, especially a paramedic. Even an old man still looks like a human. Do you mean to say that MJ had the animal shaved before freezing? GROSS. :o That he had the "southern" thumbs removed??? I don't know...this corpse mutilation of someone (I could plainly see previously) that he loved to death, is waaaaaay too creepy for me. :shock: Yucky! The flesh of the dead is different than someone in the throws of death. They would KNOW by certain details (ick, no "spring" to the flesh...eeeuuuwww) that there had been no life in the body of the animal for days. And, er...by law, a dead animal would no way be allowed inside a human hospital, just for sanitation's sake, unless it were a shark attached to a living victim/patient.
I'll accept it as a Fantastically creative metaphor, but, eeewww, not literally true. Have you been sleepin' in the poppies, dear? ;) :lol:
Of course I don't think that the EMT's have mistaken a monkey for a person, it's not that bad with my sanity! I think the EMT's are in the know, that they are actors BESIDES their jobs as EMT and I think they say what's in the script and that they signed a confidentiality agreement. The ambulance not being in a hurry and backing out confirms that for me. I think the EMT's had either a dummy or a double in the ambulance, which they brought to UCLA. The coroner might have received the monkey to be able to perform an autopsy, the coroner must be in the know because you can't tell me he didn't realize that it wasn't MJ on his table IF there was a real body, and in case there was no body, he must know as well. In any case, the coroner knows. Craigh Harvey and Ed Winter as well. I think a double arrived at UCLA and I think the normal staff that DID see him, was told that UCLA was a distraction for the media and that MJ was taken elsewhere (Cedar's). Some bobos from UCLA must know as well.
I agree that at least one person from the Coroner's (probably the chief guy) had to know. The person who did the autopsy may not necessarily have recognised MJ but if he was told by his boss, he would just accept it and do as he is told. Only one person from the police would need know also for the same reasons as the Coroner. The Chief guy would just tell the others what to do and not give them details. Same goes for the Chief at the Hospital. So really, only 3 major people need know about the hoax - their minions would just do as they were asked and get on with their jobs.
The autopsy was performed by the chief coroner himself, so even easier. But Ed Winter and Craig Harvey for sure know something. I think they have received tons of e-mails about the hoax, and I alone got 5 or 6 replies from Craig Harvey and some of his comments were pretty hilarious, about how 99% of the doctors wouldn't burn their hands by signing a bogus autopsy and how the fact that certain things were blocked on the DC 'escaped his logic capacity'.
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Who was that guy on the stand at Murray's Hearing then - Christopher someone - I thought he was the one who performed the autopsy - I believe I saw this in the transcripts. Wasn't he also the one who said he didn't know where the AR came from?
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Who was that guy on the stand at Murray's Hearing then - Christopher someone - I thought he was the one who performed the autopsy - I believe I saw this in the transcripts. Wasn't he also the one who said he didn't know where the AR came from?
Coroner Doesn't Believe Dr. Murray's Story
Updated 1/11/11 at 10:26am
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A doctor for the L.A. County Coroner's Office testified he doesn't believe Dr. Murray only gave Michael Jackson 25mg of Propofol.
Without saying Murray lied to cops during his interview two days after MJ died, Dr. Christopher Rogers testified if Murray were correct about the 25mg of Propofol, Jackson would have awakened after 3 to 5 minutes of sleep.
Rogers also testified he doesn't believe Jackson swallowed Propofol. The defense laid the groundwork for this theory yesterday, because small amounts of the drug were found in Jackson's stomach.
And Rogers said he believes it's inappropriate to use Propofol for insomnia and that Murray's care was "substandard."
Rogers is the chief of forensic medicine division, the chief medical examiner coroner is :
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http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/Coroner_Home.htm# (http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/Coroner_Home.htm#)
Now why didn't the chief coroner himself testify? I have not heard he was called as a witness anywhere, which is beyond strange IMO. In OJ's case he did testify, because he was the responsible coroner. Rogers is listed in the AR both as chief of forensic medicine division and deputy medical examiner coroner and Sarthyavagiswaran as chief medical examiner-coroner, which in my world means that dr. Sarthyavagiswaran was responsible for the autopsy. It's logical that he would testify in this case as well, and not only dr. Rogers. Up until this day we haven't heard anything from Sarthyavagiswaran, nothing at all.
I will send the mail I sent to Craig Harvey and Ed Winter to dr. Sarthyavagiswaran and dr. Rogers as well, maybe they will reply, because I haven't heard form both Harvey or Winter yet.
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Souza first off I think you are beyond brilliant for coming up with this theory. And as far fetched as it sounds, it sounds also very possible. I read the whole thing. Wow. You have me thinking on this track now.... Oh and one other thing:
***Bubbles peed in a cup; a monkey doesn't care if everyone sees his dick.*** :lol: :lol: :lol: :oops:
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Souza, I've quite enjoyed this take, just as I did the dog one way back. There are some definate possibilities there, especially because of the crowning of Bubbles on Dangerous. I just wanted to add things from the "Leave me alone" video.
There are a few newspaper clips of Bubbles in the beginning. Then we see other kinds of animals until the end, we see Bubbles in chains and beside him other caged animals, MJ on a ball and chain, and a sign saying ride is closed. Then the interesting thing is that right after that Michael on his plane ride lifts Bubbles (no chains) on his ride where Bubbles climbs all around. Exactly then the Gulliver-like figure of MJ starts to come alive, where before he seemed unconscious. Postrate MJ starts singing along and moving his fingers, then all hell breaks loose as he stands and all attempts to tie him down and build an entertainment world attached to him, all come crashing down. But some of this reality may be because of the 20+ year plans of the hoax, not just greedy bad people. It is also interesting that the movie "Gulliver" is just now in theatres with Jack Black. My daughter,boyfriend, and husband went to see it and they said it was super good and they laughed lots, though reviews haven't been good apparantly. Has anyone seen it, to find any MJ clues?
[attachment=4:1ympnl2p]Bub 1.jpg[/attachment:1ympnl2p][attachment=3:1ympnl2p]Bub 2.jpg[/attachment:1ympnl2p][attachment=2:1ympnl2p]bub 3.jpg[/attachment:1ympnl2p]
[attachment=1:1ympnl2p]bub 4.jpg[/attachment:1ympnl2p][attachment=0:1ympnl2p]bub 5.jpg[/attachment:1ympnl2p]
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Could fit them all in. This last one is right beside where Bubbles is in chains.
[attachment=1:132tcx0r]bub 6.jpg[/attachment:132tcx0r]
Also some other comments,
suspicious mind
sounds to me like he wrote this after a morning of watching jerry springer and maury povich
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by ~Souza~ » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:02 pm
all4loveandbelieve wrote:After reflecting about this post most of the day, If Bubbles were in the coffin, how can he fit? When Latoya visited Bubbles( if it is Bubbles) the chimp was humungous. I have a hard time believing it. Also how can the coroner do autopsy, wouldn't he know that it is not a human being but an animal? Wouldn't he ask questions? I am trying to understand also. But Souza like i said before AMAZING..
If the chimp was around 5'6", than he would fit. The monkey Latoya visited looks like an orangutan instead of a chimp, and if Bubbles died a few years ago, the monkey Latoya visited wasn't Bubbles after all.
I sincerely doubted if that was Bubbles then. Latoya sounded so fake, and I doubt Michael would have never ever visited him again. Not MJ. I think too it must have been an double and Bubbles had died.
Its her
I'll accept it as a Fantastically creative metaphor, but, eeewww, not literally true. Have you been sleepin' in the poppies, dear?
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by sunrise » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:26 am
Klein says there were numerous times when Jackson would pee in the doctor's home -- in a cup!!! -- around groups of people, including children.
Klein says Jackson would also pee in front of other people in his office.
that would fit more to a chimp than to MJ..
Totally, totally! :lol:
Now here's a cute pic of MJ and Bubbles I had found before.
[attachment=0:132tcx0r]04_michael_jackson[1].jpg[/attachment:132tcx0r]
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Souza first off I think you are beyond brilliant for coming up with this theory. And as far fetched as it sounds, it sounds also very possible. I read the whole thing. Wow. You have me thinking on this track now.... Oh and one other thing:
***Bubbles peed in a cup; a monkey doesn't care if everyone sees his dick.*** :lol: :lol: :lol: :oops:
I agree with you. How can Michael pee in a cup? Or infront of others? What kind of manners is he teaching his kids? Michael thought very good manners to his children, you can see that they are very well mannered. Even if he did, I am 100% sure he would do it in private, just to say. Michael is a shy man, and I am sure the mother gave him mannerism. Hard to believe MJ peed in a cup or infront of others. That is far fetched, that is for sure.
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Souza first off I think you are beyond brilliant for coming up with this theory. And as far fetched as it sounds, it sounds also very possible. I read the whole thing. Wow. You have me thinking on this track now.... Oh and one other thing:
***Bubbles peed in a cup; a monkey doesn't care if everyone sees his dick.*** :lol: :lol: :lol: :oops:
I agree with you. How can Michael pee in a cup? Or infront of others? What kind of manners is he teaching his kids? Michael thought very good manners to his children, you can see that they are very well mannered. Even if he did, I am 100% sure he would do it in private, just to say. Michael is a shy man, and I am sure the mother gave him mannerism. Hard to believe MJ peed in a cup or infront of others. That is far fetched, that is for sure.
The "MJ peed in cup" was the most hilarious article of the past 19 moths and it got even better when Arnie came on TMZ talking about it as if it were completely normal. I have laughed so much that night, you really can't imagine.
Harve, we need a laugh again, and some Arnie!
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Want some more dead monkey ?
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=17420&p=297417#p297417 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=17420&p=297417#p297417)
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Harve, we need a laugh again, and some Arnie!
ask and you shall receive...... story about Arnie filing for bankrupcty, if I am not mistaken, posted after you posted your request :lol:
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Harve, we need a laugh again, and some Arnie!
ask and you shall receive...... story about Arnie filing for bankrupcty, if I am not mistaken, posted after you posted your request :lol:
Yep Yep. I couldn't believe my good fortune in finding that and hoped someone would notice. Thanks Frosty the Forst! ;)
That coupled with March 28 trial date set - the same date in 1881 that Barnum and Bailey formed "Greatest Show On Earth" just has me rolling over in laughter. I can't stop laughing. Michael you are beyond GENIUS and I love your sense of HUMOR. :lol: :lol: :lol:
(TMZ, TS and MJHDI have quite the vibe going. Sometimes I don't know where one ends and the other begins! :lol: :lol: I definitely got my laugh on today. Hee Haw!)
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[youtube:sycpbuby]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szohPrQaPl0[/youtube:sycpbuby]
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Brilliant Souza.
Nothing is impossible...
(http://www.daerr.info/picture/photo/Afrikad3-700.jpg)
and there are no koinkidances...
(http://image.lyricspond.com/image/b/artist-black-eyed-peas/album-monkey-business/cd-cover.jpg)
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
The theory sounds crazy but also sounds plausible at some points. Bubbles could be dead and that could be the reason why Latoya was crying when she saw that monkey and Mrs Jackson was sad too but I do not think that it was his body that was used for the autopsy and etc.
I mean no disrespect by asking the following questions. I am really wondering.
I am wondering why a chimp would need bleaching cream? (I feel goofy even typing that question, because it's so out there.) If he did have vitiligo, isn't the cream just for cosmetic purposes? Or does the cream help with pain? Would a chimp have to "look good?" I'm confused...maybe my brain doesn't allow me to think THAT far out of the box.
Also, I agree with SOL, there would have to be a lot more people involved if Bubbles was in fact the body.
The theory is entertaining, though. I guess we won't know how far out this hoax goes until Michael returns.
Agree anewfan. Bleaching cream is not used to get the pain and also Vitiligo doesn't give any physical pain. It doesn't make sense to me why a monkey would use a bleaching cream. :lol: No disrespect Souza, loved your theory and it cracked me up to think Bubbles with bleaching cream on his face :lol:
Michael had vitiligo IF he didn't make those white patches on his neck and hands with make-up for whatever reason. And I do not see any reason for him to create a vitiligo illusion because I don't believe that he wanted to become a white person and used Vitiligo as an excuse to bleach his skin and become white. He always said that he is proud of his race. He had vitiligo and with the depigmentation treatment he became white. I don't know if Bubbles had also vitiligo. Never saw any white patches on him.
I think that part was misunderstood. I never said that Bubbles used the cream. I meant Mike, IF he didn't had vitiligo. I'm not sure about that either, it's just that the cover of the new album and some other things made me think that he didn't. Pretending to have vitiligo would be a hell of a disguise and would throw a lot of people off. He could do whatever he wanted without people recognizing him. I am not saying it is a fact, because I am too confused about it myself when I look at some pictures. I only mention it as a possibility from my point of view and the new album cover reminded me again of that thought. It is the first cover since the Thriller album where we see him black again. It also has nothing to do with not wanting to be black, because I do believe he was proud to be a black man. If this was the case, it was for distraction and safety reasons. But like I said, when I see certain pictures it makes me doubt that theory, because we do see patches. But what is the meaning of the album cover in that case? Everything that has to do with MJ is full of symbolism, so this means something, I have no doubt about it.
Pls correct me if I got it wrong. You say that Michael didn't have vitiligo but he used the disease as a cover to get out without people recognizing him because he was and is still a black person? People thought that he was white but he was black still? But wouldn't people recognize him even if his color was black? He has a very unique nose, lips, eyes etc. I mean the color of his skin is not the only thing that makes him recognizable. If you change the color of your skin, wouldn't your parents and friends recognize you? I still believe Michael had Vitiligo and he depigmented his skin to get rid of the white patches. And I do agree with you that there must be a meaning behind the album cover. I don't know what it is but I do not think that it's because Michael is still a black person.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
The theory sounds crazy but also sounds plausible at some points. Bubbles could be dead and that could be the reason why Latoya was crying when she saw that monkey and Mrs Jackson was sad too but I do not think that it was his body that was used for the autopsy and etc.
I mean no disrespect by asking the following questions. I am really wondering.
I am wondering why a chimp would need bleaching cream? (I feel goofy even typing that question, because it's so out there.) If he did have vitiligo, isn't the cream just for cosmetic purposes? Or does the cream help with pain? Would a chimp have to "look good?" I'm confused...maybe my brain doesn't allow me to think THAT far out of the box.
Also, I agree with SOL, there would have to be a lot more people involved if Bubbles was in fact the body.
The theory is entertaining, though. I guess we won't know how far out this hoax goes until Michael returns.
Agree anewfan. Bleaching cream is not used to get the pain and also Vitiligo doesn't give any physical pain. It doesn't make sense to me why a monkey would use a bleaching cream. :lol: No disrespect Souza, loved your theory and it cracked me up to think Bubbles with bleaching cream on his face :lol:
Michael had vitiligo IF he didn't make those white patches on his neck and hands with make-up for whatever reason. And I do not see any reason for him to create a vitiligo illusion because I don't believe that he wanted to become a white person and used Vitiligo as an excuse to bleach his skin and become white. He always said that he is proud of his race. He had vitiligo and with the depigmentation treatment he became white. I don't know if Bubbles had also vitiligo. Never saw any white patches on him.
I think that part was misunderstood. I never said that Bubbles used the cream. I meant Mike, IF he didn't had vitiligo. I'm not sure about that either, it's just that the cover of the new album and some other things made me think that he didn't. Pretending to have vitiligo would be a hell of a disguise and would throw a lot of people off. He could do whatever he wanted without people recognizing him. I am not saying it is a fact, because I am too confused about it myself when I look at some pictures. I only mention it as a possibility from my point of view and the new album cover reminded me again of that thought. It is the first cover since the Thriller album where we see him black again. It also has nothing to do with not wanting to be black, because I do believe he was proud to be a black man. If this was the case, it was for distraction and safety reasons. But like I said, when I see certain pictures it makes me doubt that theory, because we do see patches. But what is the meaning of the album cover in that case? Everything that has to do with MJ is full of symbolism, so this means something, I have no doubt about it.
Pls correct me if I got it wrong. You say that Michael didn't have vitiligo but he used the disease as a cover to get out without people recognizing him because he was and is still a black person? People thought that he was white but he was black still? But wouldn't people recognize him even if his color was black? He has a very unique nose, lips, eyes etc. I mean the color of his skin is not the only thing that makes him recognizable. If you change the color of your skin, wouldn't your parents and friends recognize you? I still believe Michael had Vitiligo and he depigmented his skin to get rid of the white patches. And I do agree with you that there must be a meaning behind the album cover. I don't know what it is but I do not think that it's because Michael is still a black person.
It's really just a thought and I can't back it up at all. It's not that important either, although I hope he really never had vitiligo. He already had enough to cope with.
Of course I thought about the nose too, but do you remember the crazy story that MJ had prostetic noses in his night drawer and that his nose fell off? What if that was a story leaked by himself as well, as a clue? If he were black, with short hair (hence the wigs) and with a prostetic nose on, NO ONE would even think it's him. They expect a white MJ with long black hair and a tiny nose, not a black man with short hair/no hair and a bigger nose.
ORRRRR maybe he did have vitiligo and uses brown cream... I have to think that through more.
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PureLove said
And I do agree with you that there must be a meaning behind the album cover. I don't know what it is but I do not think that it's because Michael is still a black person.
PureLove, you mean brown in color, right? Michael is still a Black person. He will always be a Black man but his skin is no longer brown in color.
I agree it is significant that Michael's image from the late 70's or 80's is what's on the album cover some 30 years after that era. And the album is called Michael in that context as if the amplified image we see is more Michael than any other image. I believe Michael has vitiligo because we see evidence of it for a long time.
http://reflectionsonthedance.com/Factsversusfiction.html#anchor_114
@Souza: Of course he had to provide maintenance and touch-up patches on his skin but everyone knows this so why does Murray have a concern about cream? It may be true but isn't it possible that's a lie? Maybe there was no cream to retrieve and Murray is making that up or he never said it.
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I'm soooo happy someone finally said "Michael IS a Black Man". No matter what color his skin was in reality or by way of make up, he IS African American and it seems to me for whatever reason some people forget that. I hated all of those stupid press stories that claimed Michael wanted to be a white man. UGH!!!!! :evil:
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:? Uh....
Questions: how could a thawed corpse of a primate EVER be mistaken for the dying body of a human being by medical professionals???? The feet, the hands, the general MUG of a monkey looks nothing like a man. Anyone would know the difference, especially a paramedic. Even an old man still looks like a human. Do you mean to say that MJ had the animal shaved before freezing? GROSS. :o That he had the "southern" thumbs removed??? I don't know...this corpse mutilation of someone (I could plainly see previously) that he loved to death, is waaaaaay too creepy for me. :shock: Yucky! The flesh of the dead is different than someone in the throws of death. They would KNOW by certain details (ick, no "spring" to the flesh...eeeuuuwww) that there had been no life in the body of the animal for days. And, er...by law, a dead animal would no way be allowed inside a human hospital, just for sanitation's sake, unless it were a shark attached to a living victim/patient.
I'll accept it as a Fantastically creative metaphor, but, eeewww, not literally true. Have you been sleepin' in the poppies, dear? ;) :lol:
Of course I don't think that the EMT's have mistaken a monkey for a person, it's not that bad with my sanity! I think the EMT's are in the know, that they are actors BESIDES their jobs as EMT and I think they say what's in the script and that they signed a confidentiality agreement. The ambulance not being in a hurry and backing out confirms that for me. I think the EMT's had either a dummy or a double in the ambulance, which they brought to UCLA. The coroner might have received the monkey to be able to perform an autopsy, the coroner must be in the know because you can't tell me he didn't realize that it wasn't MJ on his table IF there was a real body, and in case there was no body, he must know as well. In any case, the coroner knows. Craigh Harvey and Ed Winter as well. I think a double arrived at UCLA and I think the normal staff that DID see him, was told that UCLA was a distraction for the media and that MJ was taken elsewhere (Cedar's). Some bobos from UCLA must know as well.
Sorry, Souza! Man, your post was so 8-) colorful, I got some literal visuals :o and began going nuts. :oops: Of course no one is cutting up Bubbles! And the county has at least one paid insider. Sheesh, I need to get a grip! :? :lol:
It would be just like MJ to do something so Lewis Carrol...after all, he SAID he was "not like other guys".
This gives new meaning to the phrase, "Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle!" and makes me wonder about the reference in the V movie, to, (was it?), the first version of the Prisoner of Zenda, (or one of those "doubles" films) that V and Evey were watching, where an interloper replaces the real guy, and NO one is the wiser? Man, if you are correct, this ride just got a whole lot wilder :shock: :!: :!:
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I still don't think that chimp Latoya saw was Bubbles. Just listen to her choking up, like she didn't for MJ's "death".
[youtube:34504e47]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ZRkS5GWj8[/youtube:34504e47]
These chimps don't look the same. The Latoya chimp has darker hands, and ears, and the ears look smaller.
[attachment=1:34504e47]bubbles joe.jpg[/attachment:34504e47][attachment=0:34504e47]bub latoy.jpg[/attachment:34504e47]
So then if they are not the same, then what did MJ do with the body?? 8-) Frozen in a freezer?
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http://www.save-the-primates.org.au/pri ... panzee.htm (http://www.save-the-primates.org.au/primates-chimpanzee.htm)
"Chimpanzees have black fur and are frequently bald with no tail and pink skin, which can darken to black with age."
Also this is interesting:
"Chimpanzee Mothers Carry Their Mummified Dead Infants"
http://news.discovery.com/animals/chimp ... fants.html (http://news.discovery.com/animals/chimpanzee-mothers-carry-their-mummified-dead-infants.html)
"Chimpanzees are also very vulnerable to human illnesses, especially respiratory problems."
http://www.chimphaven.org/chimps-pets.cfm (http://www.chimphaven.org/chimps-pets.cfm)
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Pls correct me if I got it wrong. You say that Michael didn't have vitiligo but he used the disease as a cover to get out without people recognizing him because he was and is still a black person? People thought that he was white but he was black still? But wouldn't people recognize him even if his color was black? He has a very unique nose, lips, eyes etc. I mean the color of his skin is not the only thing that makes him recognizable. If you change the color of your skin, wouldn't your parents and friends recognize you? I still believe Michael had Vitiligo and he depigmented his skin to get rid of the white patches. And I do agree with you that there must be a meaning behind the album cover. I don't know what it is but I do not think that it's because Michael is still a black person.
It's really just a thought and I can't back it up at all. It's not that important either, although I hope he really never had vitiligo. He already had enough to cope with.
Of course I thought about the nose too, but do you remember the crazy story that MJ had prostetic noses in his night drawer and that his nose fell off? What if that was a story leaked by himself as well, as a clue? If he were black, with short hair (hence the wigs) and with a prostetic nose on, NO ONE would even think it's him. They expect a white MJ with long black hair and a tiny nose, not a black man with short hair/no hair and a bigger nose.
ORRRRR maybe he did have vitiligo and uses brown cream... I have to think that through more.
When a prostetic nose or face is used, I don't think that it is necessary to change the color of the skin. Prostetics would be enough for a disguise. And I wish he never needed to cope with Vitiligo. Most people think that you don't suffer when you have vitiligo because it doesn't give any physical pain. But the pain it gives to your soul is tremendous. It is such a very hard disease to deal with. I trust his words about him telling about his vitiligo. I hope Prince's vitiligo gets cured before it gets bigger. I don't want that cutie to suffer of it.
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PureLove saidAnd I do agree with you that there must be a meaning behind the album cover. I don't know what it is but I do not think that it's because Michael is still a black person.
PureLove, you mean brown in color, right? Michael is still a Black person. He will always be a Black man but his skin is no longer brown in color.
Yes of course I did. Sorry if I misstated it. He is a black man with white skin. I just didn't want to write it this long. And I wrote in my previous posts that Michael is proud of his race. Black or white, does it really matter? It doesn't matter to me. Black person with white skin or white person with black skin, the color of the skin is not what makes that person a person. You know what I'm saying? :)
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I'm soooo happy someone finally said "Michael IS a Black Man". No matter what color his skin was in reality or by way of make up, he IS African American and it seems to me for whatever reason some people forget that. I hated all of those stupid press stories that claimed Michael wanted to be a white man. UGH!!!!! :evil:
Yeah I'm sorry for choosing the wrong words. I should have written "Michael is a black person with white skin color". I just shortened it and wrote "I do not think that it's because Michael is still a black person". But I was talking about the color of his skin, not about his race. I'm proud of his race too. And it just doesn't matter to me what the color of your skin is. Sorry for all the misunderstanding.
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I'm soooo happy someone finally said "Michael IS a Black Man". No matter what color his skin was in reality or by way of make up, he IS African American and it seems to me for whatever reason some people forget that. I hated all of those stupid press stories that claimed Michael wanted to be a white man. UGH!!!!! :evil:
Yeah I'm sorry for choosing the wrong words. I should have written "Michael is a black person with white skin color". I just shortened it and wrote "I do not think that it's because Michael is still a black person". But I was talking about the color of his skin, not about his race. I'm proud of his race too. And it just doesn't matter to me what the color of your skin is. Sorry for all the misunderstanding.
Black people under their black skin, the skin is white. They bleed like we do, they cry like we do they laugh like we do, It means we are all alike, in the eyes of God, We have been created all alike. Black or white who the freak cares. Listen to Michael song Black or White. Blessings to all
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I'm soooo happy someone finally said "Michael IS a Black Man". No matter what color his skin was in reality or by way of make up, he IS African American and it seems to me for whatever reason some people forget that. I hated all of those stupid press stories that claimed Michael wanted to be a white man. UGH!!!!! :evil:
Yeah I'm sorry for choosing the wrong words. I should have written "Michael is a black person with white skin color". I just shortened it and wrote "I do not think that it's because Michael is still a black person". But I was talking about the color of his skin, not about his race. I'm proud of his race too. And it just doesn't matter to me what the color of your skin is. Sorry for all the misunderstanding.
Black people under their black skin, the skin is white. They bleed like we do, they cry like we do they laugh like we do, It means we are all alike, in the eyes of God, We have been created all alike. Black or white who the freak cares. Listen to Michael song Black or White. Blessings to all
Totally agree with you sweets. :)
[youtube:3hv165dz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMqkZmuEC0[/youtube:3hv165dz]
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I'm soooo happy someone finally said "Michael IS a Black Man". No matter what color his skin was in reality or by way of make up, he IS African American and it seems to me for whatever reason some people forget that. I hated all of those stupid press stories that claimed Michael wanted to be a white man. UGH!!!!! :evil:
I even read somewhere ( a blog was it)that MJ wanted to recreate a vampire with his looks to achieve eternal life. Or what about the people saying that he wanted to be a white woman!? Stories.....one will find all kinds of them all over the net.
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I was definately thinking also that the autopsy claim about removing the brain would add up more to an investigation into an animal's death, like for science, studying Bubbles to research illnesses and things to do with chimps.
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I was definately thinking also that the autopsy claim about removing the brain would add up more to an investigation into an animal's death, like for science, studying Bubbles to research illnesses and things to do with chimps.
I thought this could be referring to the wizzard of Oz (wizzard of O2 ?) MJ having "no brain" in this movie... :mrgreen:
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*nods* definately that too. Yes and his character the scarecrow always wanted a brain :lol:
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I saw the video of bubbles and Latoya. As soon as she got near the cage she called his name Bubbles and he turned around and approached towards Latoya. He faced her all the time she spoke to him. What do you want he is a chimp, he will not talk back at her, but he did stare into her face. Towards the end he kind of turned his back, that's how she left and said bye to him. For some odd reason, I feel it is Bubbles, I don't think Bubbles is dead, just by the chimps reaction.
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Sorry, i can't help myself :lol:
(http://humour-fun.net/photos/485.jpg)
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Sorry, i can't help myself :lol:
(http://humour-fun.net/photos/485.jpg)
:lol: Now to find the real Michael Jackson!
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Sorry, i can't help myself :lol:
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OMG!! That's hilarious!! Mystery solved!!
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Sorry, i can't help myself :lol:
(http://humour-fun.net/photos/485.jpg)
OMG!! That's hilarious!! Mystery solved!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: thats to funny !!!
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Sorry, i can't help myself :lol:
(http://humour-fun.net/photos/485.jpg)
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! How did you do that? It's hilarious!
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Sorry, i can't help myself :lol:
(http://humour-fun.net/photos/485.jpg)
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! How did you do that? It's hilarious!
Very funny but all that money and bubbles couldn't fix his teeth?? :lol:
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Ok I just read this... FINALLY... and my head is spinning!!! I don't even know what to say other than I'm thinking of a few things.
1. Oh boy! If the "MJ is dead" crew read this they would surely think we've all lost our marbles! LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:
2. Uh.... I told you my head was spinning... I wrote out point #1 and forgot what my other two points were! hahahhaha uh yeah... I'll get back to you later! :-)
Great post though Souza!
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Maybe this is why some of the family members were laughing so hard at the memorial?
It would be amazing to know that a chimp was in the coffin while the whole world is thinking
its your brother......
Also, the bloody shirt...seems like I saw Bubbles wear a little white shirt on occasion when
he was little!
And remember Liza Minelli's words about the autopsy? quote: " When the autopsy comes out all hell will
break loose, so Thank God we are celebrating him now!"
Some other things that come to mind..."The illusion starts tommorow" (quote by Michael to Kenny)
also the 911 call..."We have a gentleman here...." a chimp could be a gentleman right?? :lol: :lol:
Oh man, am I losing my mind too?? Maybe I am just desperate for answers! God help us all!
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Sorry, i can't help myself :lol:
(http://humour-fun.net/photos/485.jpg)
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! How did you do that? It's hilarious!
What will happen if the zipper breaks?
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(http://humour-fun.net/photos/485.jpg)
What will happen if the zipper breaks?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Anybody else remember the news about MJ wanting to be cryogenically frozen? This would fit in with the Bubbles theory as well - the King of Pop (aka: Bubbles) being frozen...maybe MJ leaked this news as well...
I too had a great :lol: :lol: reading about the possibility that it was Bubbles peeing in a cup!
Great theory Souza ~ some very interesting points brought to our attention! Thank you!
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This is not a chimp, it's a gorilla, but before long, he'll be moonwalking! :lol: :lol:
[youtube:2u5re3yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBUKRFXGuqo[/youtube:2u5re3yt]
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My god this is really getting to you now isn't it? :lol: Be a good girl and take your medication. I don't know which was worse, the dog thing or this. :lol:
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My god this is really getting to you now isn't it? :lol: Be a good girl and take your medication. I don't know which was worse, the dog thing or this. :lol:
It's fine to have a laugh about it, I did as well and a good one. But to ridicule it is not really necessary because this post is meant as a serious theory. You clearly never read the dog theory, because the dog is just a tiny part of it. The blog, which has two parts, has a LOT of detailed information on the meds and the timeline, so it really wasn't ridiculous at all. Besides that, this one isn't as ridiculous as you think either, the symbolism implies that something is up with Bubbles/monkeys. What I meant with mentioning 'worse than the dog theory' I meant the reactions people would give, not the theory itself.
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I have to say this theory could make since! Nice work... just something I'm confused on, you said Bad was Michael's last tour. What do you mean? :?
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Sorry, i can't help myself :lol:
(http://humour-fun.net/photos/485.jpg)
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! How did you do that? It's hilarious!
Google is your friend to find you everything but what you search :lol:
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The Night the Monkey Died
is an episode of the TV series "The Greatest Show on Earth" (1963–1964).
It is episode # 23 of 30:
Season 1
Season 1, Episode 1: Lion on Fire
Original Air Date—17 September 1963
Season 1, Episode 2: Silent Love, Secret Love
Original Air Date—24 September 1963
Season 1, Episode 3: No Middle Ground for Harry Kyle
Original Air Date—1 October 1963
Season 1, Episode 4: Don't Look Down, Don't Look Back
Original Air Date—8 October 1963
Season 1, Episode 5: Garve
Original Air Date—15 October 1963
Season 1, Episode 6: The Loser
Original Air Date—22 October 1963
Season 1, Episode 7: Uncaged
Original Air Date—29 October 1963
Season 1, Episode 8: The Circus Never Came to Town
Original Air Date—5 November 1963
Season 1, Episode 9: An Echo of Faded Velvet
Original Air Date—12 November 1963
Season 1, Episode 10: The Hanging Man
Original Air Date—19 November 1963
Season 1, Episode 11: Leaves in the Wind
Original Air Date—26 November 1963
Season 1, Episode 12: The Wrecker
Original Air Date—3 December 1963
Season 1, Episode 13: Lady in Limbo
Original Air Date—10 December 1963
Season 1, Episode 14: A Black Dress for Gina
Original Air Date—17 December 1963
Season 1, Episode 15: Where the Wire Ends
Original Air Date—7 January 1964
Season 1, Episode 16: Corsicans Don't Cry
Original Air Date—14 January 1964
Season 1, Episode 17: Big Man from Nairobi
Original Air Date—21 January 1964
Season 1, Episode 18: The Show Must Go on - To Orange City
Original Air Date—28 January 1964
Season 1, Episode 19: A Place to Belong
Original Air Date—11 February 1964
A former European circus director is hired by Johnny Slate.
Season 1, Episode 20: Man in a Hole
Original Air Date—18 February 1964
Season 1, Episode 21: Clancy
Original Air Date—25 February 1964
Season 1, Episode 22: The Last of the Strongmen
Original Air Date—3 March 1964
Season 1, Episode 23: The Night the Monkey Died
Original Air Date—10 March 1964
Season 1, Episode 24: Of Blood, Sawdust, and a Bucket of Tears
Original Air Date—17 March 1964
Season 1, Episode 25: Rosetta
Original Air Date—24 March 1964
Season 1, Episode 26: The Glorious Days of the Used to Be
Original Air Date—31 March 1964
Season 1, Episode 27: Love the Giver
Original Air Date—7 April 1964
Season 1, Episode 28: This Train Don't Stop Till It Gets There
Original Air Date—14 April 1964
Season 1, Episode 29: There Are No Problems, Only Opportunities
Original Air Date—21 April 1964
Season 1, Episode 30: You're All Right, Ivy
Original Air Date—28 April 1964
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056762/episodes
Jack Palance starred as circus director Johnny Slate.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0592639/
Jack Palance exemplified evil incarnate on film -- portraying some of the most intense and gripping villains witnessed in 50s westerns and melodrama
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001588/bio
Jack Palance starred in Batman as Carl Grissom, a crime lord who is "bad".
Carl Grissom is the most powerful crime lord in Gotham City, with almost the entire Gotham City Police Department (except Commissioner Gordon) on his payroll,
http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Carl_Grissom
In real life, Jack Palance's daughter Brooke married Michael Wilding, son of Michael Wilding Sr. (1912–1979) and Elizabeth Taylor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Palance
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Just love this photo, and it again makes me wonder just how many Bubbles there were, there could have easily been numerous chimps taking on the role. We don't even know for sure if the one LaToya visited was the real deal. I do think the importance and significance of the monkey being crowned on the Dangerous album is something we've just scratched the surface of.
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There's more to the monkey.
Definition of a monkey:
1. Any of various long-tailed, medium-sized members of the order Primates, including the macaques, baboons, guenons, capuchins, marmosets, and tamarins and excluding the anthropoid apes and the prosimians.
2. One who behaves in a way suggestive of a monkey, as a mischievous child or a mimic.
3. The iron block of a pile driver.
4. Slang A person who is mocked, duped, or made to appear a fool: They made a monkey out of him.
5. Slang Drug addiction: have a monkey on one's back.
v. mon·keyed, mon·key·ing, mon·keys
v.intr. Informal
1. To play, fiddle, trifle, or tamper with something.
2. To behave in a mischievous or apish manner: Stop monkeying around!
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/monkey
Sun Wukong, also known as the Monkey King, is a main character in the classical Chinese epic novel Journey to the West (Pinyin: Xīyóujì). In the novel, he is a monkey born from a stone who acquires supernatural powers through Taoist practices. After rebelling against heaven and being imprisoned under a mountain by the Buddha, he later accompanies the monk Xuanzang on a journey to retrieve Buddhist sutras from India.
Sun Wukong possesses an immense amount of strength; he is able to lift his 13,500 jīn (8,100 kg or 17,881 lbs) staff with ease. He is also superbly fast, able to travel 108,000 li (54,000 kilometers or 33,554 mi) in one somersault. Sun knows 72 transformations, which allows him to transform into various animals and objects; he has trouble, however, transforming into other people, because he is unable to complete the transformation of his tail. He is a skilled fighter, capable of holding his own against the best generals of heaven. Each of his hairs possesses magical properties, and is capable of transforming either into a clone of the Monkey King himself, or various weapons, animals, and other objects. He also knows spells that can command wind, part water, conjure protective circles against demons, and freeze humans, demons, and gods alike.[1]
There are parallels between the character and Hanuman, the Hindu monkey god of India[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong[
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/m/monkey.htm
Monkey King is an indeed rebellious extraordinary being, born out of a rock, fertilized by the grace of Heaven, Being extremely smart and capable, he learned all the magic tricks and gongfu from a master Taoist,being able to transform himself into seventy-two different images such as a tree, a bird, a beast of prey or a bug as small as a mosquito so as to sneak into an enemy's belly to fight him inside or out.
http://www.china-on-site.com/monkey.php
[youtube:rr3iqk0n]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0nfdk3qCNQ[/youtube:rr3iqk0n]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0nfdk3qCNQ
To the Maya the monkey is a divine creature --
Monkeys represent the sacred, the underworld and a man of an earlier creation. The Maya adoration of the monkey is based on the creation myths.
The Myth:
Long ago, men were made of wood. The wood people were punished by being destroyed, and those few who managed to survive, became monkeys. The gods refused to give up and then created a man made of maize (corn) .
In one version of the Popol Vuh -- Hero Twins named Hunahpu and Xbalanque were the Hero Twins. These Hero Twins had an earlier set of brothers: a Howler Monkey and a Spider Monkey.
These older brothers were accomplished artists and dancers. But they were also envious of their younger brothers, for they knew that their younger brothers would become the Hero Twins.
One day the older brothers took their younger brothers to hunt for birds with the intention of harming them. The older brothers climbed a tree that (through magical powers) knew of the evil intentions, The tree began to grow taller and taller, lifting the older brothers closer to the heavens.
The tree grew so high up that the older brothers were unable to climb down again. They loosened their clothes and tried to climb down but their loincloths became tails and they were changed into monkeys. The younger set of brothers ran to their grandmother.
When they brought her back to the scene, the older brothers, now turned into a Howler Monkey and a Spider Monkey, began to shake the limbs of the tree violently.
When the Hero Twins began to play a flute and beat a drum that the monkeys calmed down and began to dance. They climbed down the tree and followed their younger brothers back home.
These dancing monkeys were so funny that the younger brothers and grandmother laughed. Their feelings hurt at being laughed at, the monkeys ran away to the forest to live high in the trees forever. Throughout Maya villages in the highlands (Chiapas, Tabasco and Guatemala) men dress up as monkeys to do funny dances and perform mischief.
Monkeys are often associated with the sacred and the divine. Monkeys are shown on pottery in scenes of the underworld .
Maya monkeys live high in the forest canopy, outside of Cancun and Cozumel, suspended between the earth and the heavens. They can easily come and go between the ground and the highest point of the rain forest.
In the Temple of the Inscriptions in Palenque, the Sarcophagus Cover shows Pacal descending into the Underworld. On his belt is an image of a monkey.
There are two kinds of monkeys common in the Mexico Maya area: spider and howler. The spider monkey, with wiry, long limbs is a joyous creature.
His face is capable of many expressions and his disposition is kind. The howler monkey has less of an expression and its howls sound like someone crying. One Spider Monkey may be associated more with laughter and pranks, life and joy, while the Howler Monkey may be associated more with seriousness and work and duty. Spider monkeys laugh. Howler monkeys cry.
http://www.mayankids.com/mmkbeliefs/maya_monkey.htm
A dancing monkey is:
Someone who does your bidding, a puppet or lackey.
A dancing monkey is an accomplice who follows the leader (silver back) at all times, through thick and thin much like an urchin except acts more like a master's puppet.
Dancing Monkey is also referred to as Pinoccio.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dancing%20monkey
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Just love this photo, and it again makes me wonder just how many Bubbles there were, there could have easily been numerous chimps taking on the role. We don't even know for sure if the one LaToya visited was the real deal. I do think the importance and significance of the monkey being crowned on the Dangerous album is something we've just scratched the surface of.
I don't remember where I read that, so it's not trustable source, but there was someone in charge of cleaning who said there was several chimp in the house, and was talking about one called xxx (i don't remember the name) who was throwing his poopoo on every wall of the bathroom, when Bubbles was well educated.
So maybe Michael had several chimps, but Bubble was the "public" one. Considering chimps are very social, i guess Bubbles would have enjoy to have other chimps to be with.
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The Night the Monkey Died
is an episode of the TV series "The Greatest Show on Earth" (1963–1964).
It is episode # 23 of 30:
Season 1
Season 1, Episode 1: Lion on Fire
Original Air Date—17 September 1963
Season 1, Episode 2: Silent Love, Secret Love
Original Air Date—24 September 1963
Season 1, Episode 3: No Middle Ground for Harry Kyle
Original Air Date—1 October 1963
Season 1, Episode 4: Don't Look Down, Don't Look Back
Original Air Date—8 October 1963
Season 1, Episode 5: Garve
Original Air Date—15 October 1963
Season 1, Episode 6: The Loser
Original Air Date—22 October 1963
Season 1, Episode 7: Uncaged
Original Air Date—29 October 1963
Season 1, Episode 8: The Circus Never Came to Town
Original Air Date—5 November 1963
Season 1, Episode 9: An Echo of Faded Velvet
Original Air Date—12 November 1963
Season 1, Episode 10: The Hanging Man
Original Air Date—19 November 1963
Season 1, Episode 11: Leaves in the Wind
Original Air Date—26 November 1963
Season 1, Episode 12: The Wrecker
Original Air Date—3 December 1963
Season 1, Episode 13: Lady in Limbo
Original Air Date—10 December 1963
Season 1, Episode 14: A Black Dress for Gina
Original Air Date—17 December 1963
Season 1, Episode 15: Where the Wire Ends
Original Air Date—7 January 1964
Season 1, Episode 16: Corsicans Don't Cry
Original Air Date—14 January 1964
Season 1, Episode 17: Big Man from Nairobi
Original Air Date—21 January 1964
Season 1, Episode 18: The Show Must Go on - To Orange City
Original Air Date—28 January 1964
Season 1, Episode 19: A Place to Belong
Original Air Date—11 February 1964
A former European circus director is hired by Johnny Slate.
Season 1, Episode 20: Man in a Hole
Original Air Date—18 February 1964
Season 1, Episode 21: Clancy
Original Air Date—25 February 1964
Season 1, Episode 22: The Last of the Strongmen
Original Air Date—3 March 1964
Season 1, Episode 23: The Night the Monkey Died
Original Air Date—10 March 1964
Season 1, Episode 24: Of Blood, Sawdust, and a Bucket of Tears
Original Air Date—17 March 1964
Season 1, Episode 25: Rosetta
Original Air Date—24 March 1964
Season 1, Episode 26: The Glorious Days of the Used to Be
Original Air Date—31 March 1964
Season 1, Episode 27: Love the Giver
Original Air Date—7 April 1964
Season 1, Episode 28: This Train Don't Stop Till It Gets There
Original Air Date—14 April 1964
Season 1, Episode 29: There Are No Problems, Only Opportunities
Original Air Date—21 April 1964
Season 1, Episode 30: You're All Right, Ivy
Original Air Date—28 April 1964
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056762/episodes
Jack Palance starred as circus director Johnny Slate.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0592639/
Jack Palance exemplified evil incarnate on film -- portraying some of the most intense and gripping villains witnessed in 50s westerns and melodrama
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001588/bio
Jack Palance starred in Batman as Carl Grissom, a crime lord who is "bad".
Carl Grissom is the most powerful crime lord in Gotham City, with almost the entire Gotham City Police Department (except Commissioner Gordon) on his payroll,
http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Carl_Grissom
In real life, Jack Palance's daughter Brooke married Michael Wilding, son of Michael Wilding Sr. (1912–1979) and Elizabeth Taylor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Palance
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xFy6h6FccY0/S9QN88K4i3I/AAAAAAAAAGI/ti_VpRj43-0/s1600/muere_jack_palance.jpg)
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Dorgas, manolo.
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Elvis Presley got a Chimp too name Scatter. If you haven't know this already. :)
(http://seasweetie.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/scatter.jpg)
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I still don't think that chimp Latoya saw was Bubbles. Just listen to her choking up, like she didn't for MJ's "death".
[youtube:26uc8lzg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ZRkS5GWj8[/youtube:26uc8lzg]
These chimps don't look the same. The Latoya chimp has darker hands, and ears, and the ears look smaller.
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So then if they are not the same, then what did MJ do with the body?? 8-) Frozen in a freezer?
Came back to read this theory.
La Toya is very touched by the chimp´s situation. Have we heard lately more about Bubbles?