Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Redirects => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI ~ 2011 => Topic started by: JukeBox on January 22, 2011, 11:04:35 PM
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http://www.sparklensprinkle.com/o/popup_image.php?pID=4946&image=12311
(http://sparklensprinkle.com/o/images/3356-416ABestBirthdayEver.jpg)
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I wonder whose birthday is being referred to...TS's maybe? Happy Birthday TS..? :lol:
It makes my internet window shrink when I go to it, weird.
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Ok, wow- this is SO strange. One of my friend who I met on the Internet about a year ago (yeah, I know, odd; and it was through Michaeling activites) and who has been VERY secretive about many things- anyway, her birthday is today (1-23).
Ok, I will go google now who else has birthdays today...
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There will BE NO BIRTHDAYS THIS YEAR.....muahahaha
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So far, Caroline of Moncacco and John Hancock (signer of the Declaration of Independence) stand out. John Hancock would go with the Independence/Freedom theme, and it also makes me think of Michael's 1998 signature (as we say, put your John Hancock here- when saying sign something).
So, signature or signing /not signing could tie in...
In that light- July 4th is the Birtday of our Nation...Independence Day, Fireworks...
Or, it IS someone's birtday....AHHHHH- Nobody in the family stands out. LMP's birtday is coming up 2-2. Elvis' birthday just passed. Prince's birthday is also coming up in February.
Think, think....
Thanks, TS- I really didn't want to go to bed anyway... lol. ;)
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There will BE NO BIRTHDAYS THIS YEAR.....muahahaha
YES!!!!
Or ...............we will all be 111. ; )
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hmmm... Just saying... Next birthday is Prince on feb 13th on same day than Grammy awards,
and there is Conrad Murray's birthday on feb. 19th, maybe the trial could end on the birthday of Murray... :D
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hmmm... Just saying... Next birthday is Prince on feb 13th on same day than Grammy awards,
and there is Conrad Murray's birthday on feb. 19th, maybe the trial could end on the birthday of Murray... :D
Well, if MIchael could perform this year, that surely would be the best birthday...(Remember Paris' speech last year?)
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well the previous redirect was about Elvis's 76th birthday, and perhaps LMP being in LA because of that. so maybe this redirect is about Elvis/Jesse having the best birthday ever, and TS would know because...? ;)
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I found this but don't know if this is warm or cold on the trail.
"the best birthday gift ever"
[youtube:20lgbre6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pZK-VrR21s[/youtube:20lgbre6]
This sounds like his come-back song. :)
Just Pretend
Just pretend I didn't go
When I walked away, I heard you say
If you need me, you know what to do
I knew it then, I'd be back again
Just pretend I'm right there with you
And I'll come flying to you, oh yes
All the crying is true
Oh, I will hold you and love you again
But until then, well just pretend
Oh, it's funny but I can't recall the things
We said or why you're crying
But now I know it was wrong to go
I belong here by your side
[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/just-pretend ... esley.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/just-pretend-lyrics-elvis-presley.html) ]
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Happy Birthday!
25th birthday...
January 23, 1986, Walldorf Astoria, NYC
Rock'n' Roll Hall of Fame
A handful of artists are inducted into the Hall of Fame in an annual induction ceremony, historically held at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City. The first group of inductees, inducted on January 23, 1986, included James Brown, Little Richard, Elvis Presley, Fats Domino, Ray Charles, Chuck Berry, Sam Cooke, The Everly Brothers, Buddy Holly, and Jerry Lee Lewis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame
Michael joined in 2001.
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_halloffame.html
There is some criticism about the rules of who will be nominated etc.
Criticism
Letter sent to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame from the Sex Pistols.
The main criticism of the Hall of Fame is that the nomination process is controlled by a few individuals who are not musicians, such as founder Jann Wenner (who has filled the position of managing editor for Rolling Stone magazine), former foundation director Suzan Evans, and writer Dave Marsh, reflecting their tastes rather than the views of the rock world as a whole. A former member of the nominations board once commented that "At one point Suzan Evans lamented the choices being made because there weren't enough big names that would sell tickets to the dinner. That was quickly remedied by dropping one of the doo-wop groups being considered in favor of a 'name' artist...I saw how certain pioneering artists of the '50s and early '60s were shunned because there needed to be more name power on the list, resulting in '70s superstars getting in before the people who made it possible for them. Some of those pioneers still aren't in today."[19] According to Fox News, petitions with tens of thousands of signatures were also being ignored, and some groups that were signed with certain labels or companies or were affiliated with various committee members have even been put up for nomination with no discussion at all.[19] The committee has also been accused of largely ignoring certain genres.[20] According to author Brett Milano, "entire genres get passed over, particularly progressive rock, '60s Top 40, New Orleans funk and a whole lot of black music."[21]
Another criticism is that too many artists are inducted. In fifteen years, 97 different artists have been inducted.[22] A minimum of 50% of the vote is needed to be inducted, although the final percentages are not announced and a certain number of inductees (five in 2009) is set before the ballots are shipped.[22] The committee usually nominates a small number of artists (12 in 2010) from an increasing number of different genres. Several voters, including Joel Selvin, himself a former member of the nominating committee, didn't submit their ballots in 2007 because they didn't feel that any of the candidates were truly worthy.[23]
The surviving members of the British punk rock band The Sex Pistols, inducted in 2006, maintained their anti-establishment image by refusing to attend the ceremony, calling the museum "a piss stain".[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame
Interestingly, the URL hompage of the R'n'R hall of fame currently delivers:
[attachment=0:my6nxz1h]rockhall_com_502error.jpg[/attachment:my6nxz1h]
http://rockhall.com/
Makes me smile because
1) 5+2 = 7 (I'm kidding)
2) the technical error is described as:
A server (not necessarily a Web server) is acting as a gateway or proxy to fulfil the request by the client (e.g. your Web browser or our CheckUpDown robot) to access the requested URL. This server received an invalid response from an upstream server it accessed to fulfil the request.
This problem is due to poor IP communication between back-end computers, possibly including the Web server at the site you are trying to visit.
http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E502.html
Seems to fit the general communication and decision issues that were described on wiki?
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[youtube:3uc4jjg1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWHgUO86gW0[/youtube:3uc4jjg1]
[youtube:3uc4jjg1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzAC5L4j0kY[/youtube:3uc4jjg1]
[youtube:3uc4jjg1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOJp_PnCB8[/youtube:3uc4jjg1]
:D
It also depends where you are in the world because here in western Canada/US it is still January 22, 2011 and not the 23rd yet.
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hmmm... Just saying... Next birthday is Prince on feb 13th on same day than Grammy awards,
and there is Conrad Murray's birthday on feb. 19th, maybe the trial could end on the birthday of Murray... :D
Well, if MIchael could perform this year, that surely would be the best birthday...(Remember Paris' speech last year?)
Two things:
1)Does anyone have the transcript of exactly what Paris said at the Grammy's last year when accepting with her brother, Prince, the Lifetime Achievement Award bestowed upon her dad? I've always felt that Paris is ONE SMART COOKIE and what may have appeared on the surface to be the speech of a child who was overwhelmed and tripping over what she meant to say, may instead have been the following: she said EXACTLY what she meant to say and exactly what she was TOLD to say....you know....as in a SCRIPT....just like at the end of the Memorial....a SCRIPT...have we forgetten that she was clearly wearing an ear piece on the Staples Center Stage? ...that you can clearly see Uncle Randy giving her the cue?.....since then. she has flat out told us she wants to be an actress...she has flat out told us that she and her dad do "little improvs"....all I'm saying is that there are some possible dots to connect here.
2)I recently watched a Hoax Video (sorry, can't remember who made it, but I found it through the Forum) that centered on the idea of Michael appearing in some fashion at the upcoming 2011 Grammy's....like the stage is set for it, if you see the clues....very interesting, I must say...even though I personally fear the timing is not yet right for him to Bam....but wouldn't that be THE BEST BIRTHDAY EVER for young 14 (!) year old Prince....14 being a very Jacksonesque number....7 x 2!!!
I think I'm really liking the TIAI nugget for today!!!
Peace, y'all!
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@Serenity Dreams- Yeah, I thought of the time lag, too. Also, if we go by California time, it also would not have been the 23rd yet.
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@Serenity Dreams- Yeah, I thought of the time lag, too. Also, if we go by California time, it also would not have been the 23rd yet.
Maybe TS is not in CA right now?
The world is a lot bigger than good old Cali ;)
Oh and I forgot:
could be Michael's birthday as well - so Happy Birthday ! ;)
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14789&p=248670#p248670
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1-22 is Orianthi's Birtday. (1/22/85)
She turned 26.
posting.php?mode=reply&f=145&t=17484 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/posting.php?mode=reply&f=145&t=17484)
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@Serenity Dreams- Yeah, I thought of the time lag, too. Also, if we go by California time, it also would not have been the 23rd yet.
Maybe TS is not in CA right now?
The world is a lot bigger than good old Cali ;)
True, but what made me think of it was a TS post talking about TMZ times and how they usually give Eastern Standard, but that the time significance goes often to California Time.
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http://starcasm.net/archives/34033
Paris Jackson (11) spoke at her dad’s public memorial back in July 2009 in a tearful plea that did more to humanize Michael Jackson in the public mind than anything Madonna or Brooke Shields could have said. More than half a year later, her older brother Prince Jackson publicly spoke (for the reported first time ever) about his father Michael Jackson for the first time in the very same venue, the Staples Center, at the 2010 Grammy Awards. Paris spoke again briefly as well as they accepted a lifetime achievement award to their father.
Prince (13) began:
“First of all, we’d like to thank god for watching over us over these past seven months, and our grandma and grandpa for their love and support. We would also like to thank the fans. Our father loved you so much because you were always there for him. Our father was always concerned about the planet and humanity. Through all his hard work and dedication, he has helped many charities and donated to all of them. Through all his songs, his message was simple: Love. We will continue to spread his message and help the world. thank you. We love you daddy.”
Paris followed up:
“Daddy was supposed to be here. Daddy was going to perform this year, but he couldn’t perform last year. Thank you, we love you daddy.”Their younger sibling, Blanket Jackson, didn’t accompany them on stage.
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@Serenity Dreams- Yeah, I thought of the time lag, too. Also, if we go by California time, it also would not have been the 23rd yet.
Maybe TS is not in CA right now?
The world is a lot bigger than good old Cali ;)
Oh and I forgot:
could be Michael's birthday as well - so Happy Birthday ! ;)
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14789&p=248670#p248670
That was the 28th, but that's the post of Souza's I have been looking for, thanks SD.
Pepsi accident 27th anniversary is coming up on Thursday this week (27th). Wow. That would be the Pepsi Accident's golden anniversary this year.
The Pepsi accident being the first day of the second half of MJ's "life".
Birth (reported) 8/29/1958-->1/26/1984=9282 days
Pepsi Accident 1/27/1984-->6/25/09=9282 days
Exactly.
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Oh and I forgot:
could be Michael's birthday as well - so Happy Birthday ! ;)
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14789&p=248670#p248670
TIME and ILLUSION about time are BIG themes in this journey.
Before all those who did not follow the discussion about Michael's birthday are jumping on me:
Michael admits he lied about his age because he was told to lie about it.
[youtube:1ja7eqii]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAzarSbfPEk[/youtube:1ja7eqii]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAzarSbfPEk
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Eliza A. Presley aka Alice Tiffin's birthday is Jan 23rd (1962)
And how would it be the best birthday ever for Eliza?
Wonder what's going on with the case?
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Hmm, maybe TMZ will help us with this one today ;)
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Eliza A. Presley aka Alice Tiffin's birthday is Jan 23rd (1962)
And how would it be the best birthday ever for Eliza?
Wonder what's going on with the case?
I think that matches the best. Good find!
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... -to-elvis/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/sep/25/woman-claims-kinship-to-elvis/)
Does that mean something happened behind the scenes with Lisa Marie in LA, that has made it Eliza "best birthday ever", like a quiet verification that she is Elvis' half-sister? Could it happen that quietly in the courts?
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Eliza A. Presley aka Alice Tiffin's birthday is Jan 23rd (1962)
And how would it be the best birthday ever for Eliza?
Wonder what's going on with the case?
A family reunion b-day may be.
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TS once again you must be sitting back and smiling as we go scurrying around looking for clues to the meaning of the redirect! I like these ones though so keep 'em coming! ;) Whoever it refers to I hope they ARE having the best birthday ever! I think Eliza is a good candidate given the recent redirects, but I'll keep digging just in case there are other possibilities...
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Other possibilities.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_23)
Multiple choice a la carte! :D
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Hapy b-day Eliza! I wonder why we don't hear anything from the case, because apparently it's a good b-day, so what went on?
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Happy birthday Eliza.
For that nobody has spoken about Eliza's case?, she has not done it either.
Has it to see LMP's trip with all that?, there is algun agreement?, questions, questions... :roll:
TS your to know something of all that :?: :x
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What would be Eliza greatest Birthday?
What happens on Thriller night?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(song)
"Thriller" is a song by American recording artist Michael Jackson. It is the seventh and final single from his sixth studio album Thriller. It was released on January 23, 1984 by Epic Records.
Just a thought! :shock:
With L.O.V.E
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TheRunningGirl wrote:
What would be Eliza greatest Birthday?
What happens on Thriller night?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(song (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(song))
"Thriller" is a song by American recording artist Michael Jackson. It is the seventh and final single from his sixth studio album Thriller. It was released on January 23, 1984 by Epic Records.
Just a thought!
With L.O.V.E
8-) This can be
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What would be Eliza greatest Birthday?
What happens on Thriller night?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(song)
"Thriller" is a song by American recording artist Michael Jackson. It is the seventh and final single from his sixth studio album Thriller. It was released on January 23, 1984 by Epic Records.
Just a thought! :shock:
With L.O.V.E
The 27th anniversary (999). Interesting.
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Happy Birthday Eliza. I'd love you to share what exactly made this one the best ever. ;)
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well the previous redirect was about Elvis's 76th birthday, and perhaps LMP being in LA because of that. so maybe this redirect is about Elvis/Jesse having the best birthday ever, and TS would know because...? ;)
I thought the same.
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What would be Eliza greatest Birthday?
What happens on Thriller night?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(song)
"Thriller" is a song by American recording artist Michael Jackson. It is the seventh and final single from his sixth studio album Thriller. It was released on January 23, 1984 by Epic Records.
Just a thought! :shock:
With L.O.V.E
The 27th anniversary (999). Interesting.
Oh, Bingo- I knew if I just went to sleep I would wake up to you wonderful sleuthes coming up with good stuff! YES!
Yeah, I bet TS got a good laugh at all of us scurrying...
Also, interesting thought that Thriller MIGHT be connected to Michael's real birthday if Aug 29th 1958 was not it.
Small tidbit on the side: Jackie tweeted last night for all the partyers to not drive, tweet, and drink, or something like that. That tweet came in right after TS's redirect. (will post in tweeting section).
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[youtube:1zfeusp4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLIUlaJsGwU[/youtube:1zfeusp4]
:lol: :lol:
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What would be Eliza greatest Birthday?
What happens on Thriller night?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(song)
"Thriller" is a song by American recording artist Michael Jackson. It is the seventh and final single from his sixth studio album Thriller. It was released on January 23, 1984 by Epic Records.
Just a thought! :shock:
With L.O.V.E
Wow! I knew it was Eliza's birthday from facebook :lol:
but i didn't know about that. :o
interesting 8-)
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A Happy Birthday to Eliza :D ... maybe that Justice has been served?
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Interestingly, the redirect came "Close to midnight"... (Eastern time anyway).
So, Happy Birhtday, Eliza and Thriller!
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What would be Eliza greatest Birthday?
What happens on Thriller night?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(song)
"Thriller" is a song by American recording artist Michael Jackson. It is the seventh and final single from his sixth studio album Thriller. It was released on January 23, 1984 by Epic Records.
Just a thought! :shock:
With L.O.V.E
The 27th anniversary (999). Interesting.
Interesting because 4 days later was the Pepsi accident on 1/27/1984. Thursday will be it's 27th anniversary.
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well the previous redirect was about Elvis's 76th birthday, and perhaps LMP being in LA because of that. so maybe this redirect is about Elvis/Jesse having the best birthday ever, and TS would know because...? ;)
That idea makes sense, but then there are other possible birthdays/anniversaries and confusion over the time zone/redirection time. Can you give us a little clue TS? How many candles?
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:(
http://elizapresley.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... naive.html (http://elizapresley.blogspot.com/2011/01/call-me-naive.html)
1/23/11(call me) naive
(call me) naive
(call me) naive and i would disagree
how could that be?
it doesn’t fit me
but now as i look back
the words that felt like an attack
i see now they were a fact
tell me who won, tell me who lost
and what did it all mean?
not sure what to say
or even to do
i thought as long as i had the truth
that it could win
just so you know
I did my best
I just never realized that in part
I had lost from the start
or that losing this way would crush my heart.
no one should have anymore worries
their secrets are safe once again
those secrets that will be taken to many graves
by those that never even gave
a single thought to the turmoil and waves
so can you tell me if being naive
also means being a fool?
while I so naively thought you cared
as my very soul was bared,
did you ever care how I fared?
they say that money makes
the world go around
tell me daddy, if you were here
like me, would you shed a tear?
you held your daughter dear.
(call me) naive cause i believed the lies,
never being wise
to what was under the guise.
i cannot shed anymore tears,
i no longer have fears
and i hold the real truths dear.
i leave these words
to go and rest
so go ahead (call me) naïve as a child
as my thoughts run wild
my words always meek and mild.
it looks like in my fight
it was always david vs. goliath, right?
it has extinguished my light.
i do believe in miracles
just to let you know
i have spent 20 years of my life
twisted in this strife,
innocent enough that i never saw the knife.
they say that friends
can come and go
they also say that blood is
thicker than water
i have met so very many
people that don't have any
motives other than to be my lucky penny.
for all that hoped i would fail
this is my legal death knell,
you must be happy in your own private hell.
these words, emotions and pain
could go on forever
i want to thank those that
offered their hearts
no matter this outcome
a presley i shall always be
for my daddy that tried to make it right,
i know you would have joined this fight
and i hold your love for me in truth and light.
(call me) naive
eliza alice presley
copyright january 23rd, 2011
Happy Birthday Eliza...I love you. Have a good day today and always.
I am sad because of your heartache, I feel your pain, struggles and longing to belong.
You are in my prayers always.
Peace
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I pretty much don't know what to say now ... :( is it completely over or is there still some kind of hope left??
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:(
http://elizapresley.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... naive.html (http://elizapresley.blogspot.com/2011/01/call-me-naive.html)
1/23/11(call me) naive
(call me) naive
(call me) naive and i would disagree
how could that be?
it doesn’t fit me
but now as i look back
the words that felt like an attack
i see now they were a fact
tell me who won, tell me who lost
and what did it all mean?
not sure what to say
or even to do
i thought as long as i had the truth
that it could win
just so you know
I did my best
I just never realized that in part
I had lost from the start
or that losing this way would crush my heart.
no one should have anymore worries
their secrets are safe once again
those secrets that will be taken to many graves
by those that never even gave
a single thought to the turmoil and waves
so can you tell me if being naive
also means being a fool?
while I so naively thought you cared
as my very soul was bared,
did you ever care how I fared?
they say that money makes
the world go around
tell me daddy, if you were here
like me, would you shed a tear?
you held your daughter dear.
(call me) naive cause i believed the lies,
never being wise
to what was under the guise.
i cannot shed anymore tears,
i no longer have fears
and i hold the real truths dear.
i leave these words
to go and rest
so go ahead (call me) naïve as a child
as my thoughts run wild
my words always meek and mild.
it looks like in my fight
it was always david vs. goliath, right?
it has extinguished my light.
i do believe in miracles
just to let you know
i have spent 20 years of my life
twisted in this strife,
innocent enough that i never saw the knife.
they say that friends
can come and go
they also say that blood is
thicker than water
i have met so very many
people that don't have any
motives other than to be my lucky penny.
for all that hoped i would fail
this is my legal death knell,
you must be happy in your own private hell.
these words, emotions and pain
could go on forever
i want to thank those that
offered their hearts
no matter this outcome
a presley i shall always be
for my daddy that tried to make it right,
i know you would have joined this fight
and i hold your love for me in truth and light.
(call me) naive
eliza alice presley
copyright january 23rd, 2011
Happy Birthday Eliza...I love you. Have a good day today and always.
I am sad because of your heartache, I feel your pain, struggles and longing to belong.
You are in my prayers always.
Peace
This composition makes me wonder if the "Court Case" is going well. It doesn't sound victorious. I hope I'm wrong.
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I pretty much don't know what to say now ... :( is it completely over or is there still some kind of hope left??
Only if Elvis jumps out of the cake himself, which I doubt he will. The case still isn't updated though, I find that strange: http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/ ... &end_date= (http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/pls/chweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=CH-09-1696&begin_date=&end_date=)
I hope Eliza is doing ok. She has the truth herself, but by losing this case some people will always think of her as a fake and a golddigger. That's unfair but unfortunately how it works in the world these days.
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I pretty much don't know what to say now ... :( is it completely over or is there still some kind of hope left??
Only if Elvis jumps out of the cake himself, which I doubt he will. The case still isn't updated though, I find that strange: http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/ ... &end_date= (http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/pls/chweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=CH-09-1696&begin_date=&end_date=)
I hope Eliza is doing ok. She has the truth herself, but by losing this case some people will always think of her as a fake and a golddigger. That's unfair but unfortunately how it works in the world these days.
This is sad. Jesse/ Elvis, if he is indeed alive, must stand out for this woman. She just wants legally to have a father.
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Call me crazy but I feel like it's not over yet.
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Call me crazy but I feel like it's not over yet.
Crazy (http://www.addemoticons.com/emoticon/animated/AddEmoticons04263.gif)
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I am not sure either. Her poem has a sad aura. Today was her -day, may be has nothing to do with the court, but has to do that the people that she expected did not come to her celebration, as Jesse.
IDK how to interpretate her mood.
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What would be Eliza greatest Birthday?
What happens on Thriller night?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(song)
"Thriller" is a song by American recording artist Michael Jackson. It is the seventh and final single from his sixth studio album Thriller. It was released on January 23, 1984 by Epic Records.
Just a thought! :shock:
With L.O.V.E
The 27th anniversary (999). Interesting.
Interesting because 4 days later was the Pepsi accident on 1/27/1984. Thursday will be it's 27th anniversary.
and Tuesday Conrad back in Court 2 + 5 = 7 ;)
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Really very sorry for Eliza :roll:
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Lisa Marie Presley's birthday is on the 1st February......just like me !!! ;) ;) :D :D :D :D :D
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Death-Knell doctrine is a rule that allows an interlocutory appeal to be filed in cases where not allowing the appeal until final judgment would moot the issue on appeal and cause irreparable injury to the appellant's rights. This was recognized as an exception to the final-judgment rule but the doctrine was later limited by the U.S. Supreme Court in Coopers & Lybrand v. Livesay, 437 U.S. 463 (U.S. 1978) where the court held that the fact that an interlocutory order might induce a party to abandon his claim before final judgment was not a sufficient reason for considering it a "final decision." However the doctrine is still applicable in some contexts. For example, the doctrine allows an immediate appeal of the denial of a temporary restraining order when the lack of an appeal would leave nothing to be considered in the trial court. [Woratzeck v. Arizona Bd. of Exec. Clemency, 117 F.3d 400 (9th Cir. Ariz. 1997)]
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Death-Knell doctrine is a rule that allows an interlocutory appeal to be filed in cases where not allowing the appeal until final judgment would moot the issue on appeal and cause irreparable injury to the appellant's rights. This was recognized as an exception to the final-judgment rule but the doctrine was later limited by the U.S. Supreme Court in Coopers & Lybrand v. Livesay, 437 U.S. 463 (U.S. 1978) where the court held that the fact that an interlocutory order might induce a party to abandon his claim before final judgment was not a sufficient reason for considering it a "final decision." However the doctrine is still applicable in some contexts. For example, the doctrine allows an immediate appeal of the denial of a temporary restraining order when the lack of an appeal would leave nothing to be considered in the trial court. [Woratzeck v. Arizona Bd. of Exec. Clemency, 117 F.3d 400 (9th Cir. Ariz. 1997)]
Can you translate that into simple English please? :lol:
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I have no idea really. I meant to have quotes around that. I looked it up since Eliza mentioned death knell and I learned there is a death knell doctrine and thought I'd share that. I'm not a lawyer so we can try and decipher together if it makes any sense to do so. We don't really know what's going on but my cursory understanding is, if the death knell doctrine applies in her case - depending on what the ruling actually was - it seems that she can appeal? Also, there maybe hasn't been a final ruling? We're in the dark at the moment because we don't know what the ruling is exactly or if there's been a final one.
I wonder who's having the best birthday ever?
Maybe Oprah will announce her miracle tomorrow that eventhough her step-father is named Vernon, her real father is named Vernon too and she's a
Presley!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, she is from Mississippi! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Anyway,
I looked up interloctory appeal to see if we can glean anything from all this legal mumbo jumbo.
"An interlocutory appeal (or interim appeal), in the law of civil procedure, is an appeal of a ruling by a trial court that is made before the trial itself has concluded. Most jurisdictions generally prohibit such appeals, requiring parties to wait until the trial has concluded before they challenge any of the decisions made by the judge during that trial. However, many jurisdictions make an exception for decisions that are particularly prejudicial to the rights of one of the parties. For example, if a party is asserting some form of immunity from suit, or is claiming that the court completely lacks personal jurisdiction over them, then it is recognized that being forced to wait for the conclusion of the trial would violate their right not to be subjected to a trial at all."
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Also, there are 2 comments from Eliza's post and she took down the image of Lady Justice :|
I agree with "Sandy". It would be great if she'd be clearer...
kimberlyadam said...
sister,
call me....I am very concerned...Debbie and I are worried about you... Happy birthday and always know RJ and I love you very much...if you need a place my door is always open
Love, Kim
1/23/11 4:24 PM
Sandy said...
Kind of vague so be more bold so we will know what this is suppose to mean.We would like the details? Please
1/23/11 4:31 PM
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Oh... Don't know if I understand it really, but could it mean that it was thrown out of court because the defendant (LMP) lives in the UK now?
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Call me crazy but I feel like it's not over yet.
Me, too. It's far from over. There is purpose is Eliza's situation. As we have heard before, time will tell all.
Happy Birthday, Eliza, and much L.O.V.E. Indeed, a Presley you shall always be.
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Call me crazy but I feel like it's not over yet.
Me, too. It's far from over. There is purpose is Eliza's situation. As we have heard before, time will tell all.
Happy Birthday, Eliza, and much L.O.V.E. Indeed, a Presley you shall always be.
I agree wholeheartedly, even if there's a setback or delay. And I think that's what the legal jargon means as well.
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There is one thing that would change things for her, if a special someone came forward saying he'd hoaxed his death in 1977 and is still alive, against the wishes of Priscilla and Lisa. I agree this isn't over. She might be down for round two, but there's more rounds to go. Just her calm steadfast determination is an indication she will keep going.
But now how this possible defeat in court can be her best birthday ever, is not clear. This is a very mysterious redirect, TS. Do you know something we don't know?
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It was Dangerous_Inc aka Cam aka Cameron's birthday as well on the 23rd. Happy belated birthday and thanks for all the leaks.
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Well, Eliza is now thanking people for their birthday messages:
http://www.elizapresley.blogspot.com/ (http://www.elizapresley.blogspot.com/)
But I'm lost! That sad poem doesn't seem to ring true for 'the best birthday ever', unless something happened since the court hearing. Was that on 14th? Have we heard anything official yet? Maybe someone wants the outcome kept quiet?
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With his right hand he acquits Kings... Hmmmmmm ;)
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I read Linda's update on January 23rd and thought well there will be more to this story sooner or later. I went back to read her site again and sure enough more info is being revealed. There are things that are not being said. I know that some things are scary for people to speak on and one of those things is the fact that Scientology does play a huge part in the way this case is being handled. I am not saying that Linda is involved with the Scientology cult but Lisa and her mother are. Anyone who does some research on the Scientology cult will find out that they are into intimidation. They are white collar gangsters and will harass people. Something to consider when thinking about what Eliza was up against. 8-)
http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page57 (http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page57)
SUNDAY, JANUARY 23, 2011
I have learned this afternoon that the plaintiff in the court case involving Elvis's/Jesse's DNA has announced (in the form of a poem) that she did lose the case. This is a wonderful result for my wishes and Elvis's/Jesse's.
She should have listened on October 28, 2009, when Elvis/Jesse asked me to phone her and tell her to "STOP"...which I did immediately. Jesse has not been supporting her and she has not been told by him that he was going to come out.
I do know 100% that the DNA is from Elvis Presley himself. I am just so thankful that he has not been exposed through this court case.
Also, I would like to clear up one false statement that has been out there since the summer of 2008: Elvis/Jesse did not "give" the DNA to the plaintiff. She lifted it off of an envelope which he had licked in which he sent her a note. He has lick sealed all of my envelopes for the past (almost) 19 years and I would never have done such a thing.
Here is a link to the plaintiff's blog in order that everyone may visit and read her announcement:
elizapresley.blogspot.com/
MONDAY, JANUARY 24, 2011 --- UPDATE ON THE ABOVE COURT CASE
As anyone who has followed my web site will recall, I denounced the plaintiff's efforts to continue this case months ago and stated at that time that Elvis did not support her in this case. So, it should not come as a shock to anyone that the case was defeated. This is how it should have culminated. What goes around comes around.
I can tell the details of what took place on the day of the hearing in the court room. My dear friend Betty, who lives in Memphis, kept me posted on the events of the day. The following is exactly how things unfolded in the open court room:
This was scheduled to be an open court hearing with no cameras nor recorders allowed.
The plaintiff herself was not present. The only parties in attendance were the two opposing attorneys. Oddly enough the two attorneys appeared to be good friends, sitting together, visiting, laughing and talking. When the case was finally called, the attorneys asked the judge for the case to be heard in the judges private chambers. With that the judge, the two attorneys and the court recorder retired to the judges chambers. This alone should indicate that something which was not to be known to the public was to be discussed and decided.
Also, something else of interest is that the Court Docket has not yet been updated to show the outcome of the case. Normally, in the past, all events have been posted to the court docket very soon after taking place. It has now been 7 business days and still there is nothing added on the docket indicating what took place on the 14th.
I have heard rumors about why the case was dismissed but I will report nothing until it is confirmed officially. I will say, though, that if the reason I have heard is true then there would have been absolutely no reason for the case being heard in the judges chambers, there would be no reason for the delay in posting it to the court docket, and there would be no reason for the plaintiff to have worded her announcement of defeat in such a final way as she would have had other recourses of continued action.
I state the above in order that you may all understand how enormous the challenge of going against Elvis's own wishes was. Thus, the bitterness expressed by the plaintiff toward him in her announcement of her loss of the case.
Here is the link to the court docket in order that everyone may check for themselves to see that I am stating the truth: chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/pls/chweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames
Here are the entries which took place leading up to the Jan. 14th hearing also in order that you may see that I am stating the truth and that nothing has been posted about the Jan. 14th hearing:
12-JAN-2011
02:56 PM Affidavit (T)
Entry: AFFIDAVIT OF WILLIAM R. BRADLEY, JR.
13-JAN-2011
12:33 PM Response (T) CALDWELL, KATHLEEN L
Entry: PLAINTIFF'S RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
13-JAN-2011
12:39 PM Memorandum (T) CALDWELL, KATHLEEN L
Entry: PLAINTIFF'S MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION TO MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
Eliza has also updated her original poem.
(call me) naive
(call me) naive
(call me) naive
i would so disagree
how could that be?
it doesn’t fit me
but now as i look back
the words that felt like an attack
i see now just how much was 'out of whack'
so please tell me who won, tell me who lost
and what did it all mean?
not sure what to say
or even to do
i thought as long as i had the truth
that it could win
just so you know
i did my best
(call me) naive
i just never realized that in part
i had lost from the start
or that losing this way would crush my heart.
no one should have anymore worries
their secrets are safe once again
those secrets that'll be taken to your graves
by those that never even gave
a single thought to my life, the turmoil and waves.
so can you tell me if being naive
also means being a fool?
while i was so sure you truly cared
as my very soul was bared,
did you ever care how i fared?
they say that money makes
the world go around
(call me) naive
tell me daddy, if you were here
like me, would you shed a tear?
you held your daughter dear.
'cause i believed the lies,
never being wise
to what was under the guise.
i cannot shed anymore tears,
i no longer have fears
and i hold the real truths dear.
i leave these words
to go and rest
you always knew that i was naïve as a child
as my thoughts ran wild
my words always meek and mild.
it looks like in my fight
it was always david vs. goliath, right?
it has finally extinguished my light.
(call me) naive
i do believe in miracles
just to let you know
i have spent 20 years of my life
twisted in this strife,
innocent enough that i never saw the knife.
they say that friends
can come and go
they also say that blood is
thicker than water
just to think, as you sat back protected
and oh so respected
yet never cared how i'd be affected
just so everyone knows
my conscience is clear
(call me) naive
try being just thirteen
thinking you have already seen
all the trauma and tears in between
they say that an adopted child feels
that they cannot have 'peace' till they have all the 'pieces'
i would agree as my heart and soul
were shattered into those very 'pieces'
what does it mean to betray?
does loyalty only apply to those not in the way?
or does it change in your book from day to day to day?
i have to admit tho, that i never had a clue
that this birthday would turn out this way
i have met so very many
people that don't have any
motives other than to be my lucky penny.
(call me) naive
for all that hoped i would fail
this is my legal death knell,
you must be happy in your own private hell?
the emotions, pain and grief
could go on forever in my words
i want to thank those that
offered their hearts
i have found my way thru the maze of lies
it was a very twisted road indeed
yet, no matter this outcome
a presley i shall always be
for my daddy that tried to make it right,
i know you would have joined this fight
and i hold your love for me in truth and light ..
(call me) naive
eliza alice presley
copyright january 23rd, 2011
by eliza at 2:26 PM
http://www.elizapresley.blogspot.com/ (http://www.elizapresley.blogspot.com/)
So if I take all of this info into my mind and jumble it around I can come up with a thought on the meaning of this January 23rd redirect: LMP was in LA around the time of her fathers 76th birthday. The tabloid wrote it was due to fainting and needing to go to the church of Scientology for help.
Lisa Marie Collapses
viewtopic.php?f=130&t=17433 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=130&t=17433)
Well suppose she needed help from them but not because of her health but due to needing them to handle this court problem, make it go away. Anyways Elvis/Jesse would be the only one that comes to mind that this would have been his best birthday ever considering he may have been able to visit with LMP and her new baby girls. ;)
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17469 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17469)
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=106&t=17124#p293268
did u all notice LMP is back in america for Elvis 76th birthday ..????????????
Oh.... Does she have to be in the US for that? I thought he was dead? :lol:
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Wow. Thank you, im_convinced. Scientology may be involved, but if Jesse/Elvis did not want this revealed, I think he would have had great power to ensure that it isn't. He doesn't need Scientology for that. You cannot underestimate a man who has been well-hidden for over 30 years and very tied to law enforcement -- but mostly he has great spiritual power as I continue to read about him. I am in awe, actually.
And this is probably why Eliza has been called (by someone) naive. Naive to think she could go against Jesse/Elvis' wishes. I pray for her.
I think I agree -- Jesse/Elvis had the best birthday ever seeing his daughter and grandchildren, which I guess is what he said when TS asked him, "how was your birthday?" Elvis: It was the best birthday ever! :lol:
I'm just having too much fun today on my day off from work! Thanks for the redirects and your patience, TS.
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Wow. Thank you, im_convinced. Scientology may be involved, but if Jesse/Elvis did not want this revealed, I think he would have had great power to ensure that it isn't. He doesn't need Scientology for that. You cannot underestimate a man who has been well-hidden for over 30 years and very tied to law enforcement -- but mostly he has great spiritual power as I continue to read about him. I am in awe, actually.
And this is probably why Eliza has been called (by someone) naive. Naive to think she could go against Jesse/Elvis' wishes. I pray for her.
I think I agree -- Jesse/Elvis had the best birthday ever seeing his daughter and grandchildren, which I guess is what he said when TS asked him, "how was your birthday?" Elvis: It was the best birthday ever! :lol:
I'm just having too much fun today on my day off from work! Thanks for the redirects and your patience, TS.
I should have been more specific when I wrote about Scientology and who they would be helping. In the update from TS it is mentioned all the difficulty Scientology has given Elvis/Jesse over the years. I was referring to Scientology having an interest in this case going away for their monetary benefit. If it is revealed that infact Elvis is alive it will not go over well for the Estate or the Cult.
I hope this makes more sense now. I believe everyone involved in this case is doing what they think is best. ;)
viewtopic.php?f=125&t=16148 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=16148)
9. “His Own Words”
There has been a lot of question and discussion lately about Linda Hood Sigmon, and whether she is a reliable informer for Elvis/Jesse. According to her: “Elvis/Jesse does not support the court case …” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
According to Eliza: “NEVER HAS MY BROTHER CONTACTED MYSELF VIA MAIL, PHONE OR EMAIL TO ASK, REQUEST OR ORDER ME TO DISCONTINUE AND/OR WITHDRAW FROM MY COURT CASE. NOT WHILE IT WAS FILED IN PROBATE COURT OR SINCE IT HAS BEEN FILED IN CHANCERY COURT. UNLESS OR UNTIL HE DOES, I SHALL CONTINUE TO ASSERT MY RIGHT TO DO SO.”
{http://elizapresley.blogspot.com/2010/11/december-14-2010-130pm.html}.
Which of these statements is true: the one from Linda, or the one from Eliza? Can you wrap your mind around the idea that both of these statements are true? Is it possible that Jesse has asked Linda not to support the court case, and yet he has not asked Eliza to stop it? Can you put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and understand what issues he is dealing with?
Did you know that there was a similar situation between Linda and Dr. Hinton, regarding Jesse “coming out” in 2002? Both of them were in contact with Jesse, and both of them were informers; but Linda and Dr. Hinton did not agree on this aspect of the general public learning the truth about Jesse {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19}.
Also, notice this recent statement on Linda’s website: “He [Jesse] has mentioned coming to see me a few times and while he knows that he would be welcome, I have not encouraged it.” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
The book by Dr. Hinton and Jesse, which I have already quoted from above, is titled: The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words! And many of the letters printed in this book, are also photocopied there in his own handwriting. So if we want the most accurate information about Jesse, this is it! This first quote which I will include from this book is about Jesse, but written by Dr. Hinton; while the other quotes, below the first one, were all written by Jesse himself (his own words).
Dr. Hinton said: “... they did not want him [Jesse] within five miles of Graceland, but he [Jesse] and one other person went up to his bedroom at Graceland late at night to get the cuff-links.” (TTAEAP 50).
Jesse: “The Graceland estate does not allow me to contact them personally, they are determined to keep the myth alive and don’t want me taking any chances. ... I can’t do a thing about it either. The Church of Scientology has something to do with it.” (TTAEAP 40,41).
Jesse: “You see I have everything taken care of except the fact that I am never given any cash whatsoever. When I do ask for cash, I am always given the third degree on what I need cash for. So you can see all the restrictions I have on me. People ... thought I was the same old Elvis handing out money ...” (TTAEAP 28; see 48).
Jesse: “I picked four (4) of us initially and to this day all have kept the secret. I also know when this book reaches the bookstores people (my loyal friends) will be heartbroken. They took care of me and convinced others that I was no longer alive.” (TTAEAP 31).
Jesse: “I have already been told through a source that Lisa Marie will cause problems if B.J.’s picture is shown.” (TTAEAP 63). And yet the picture of Jesse and Benjamin was included in Jesse’s book (on page 23).
Jesse: “I was told there was a survey that stated percentage wise that many people still thought I was alive! But as time went by I became more daring and went out [in public] with minimal disguises.” (TTAEAP 48).
Jesse: “As I get older I feel I must reveal more facts of my life as Jesse.” (TTAEAP 56).
Some may say that these statements by Jesse/Elvis were from about ten years ago, and perhaps things have changed since then. Yes, and I would also say that those who can read between the lines, think for themselves, and put themselves in Jesse’s shoes—they will probably be able to understand what has and has not changed in the last decade. Nuff said!
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Something is definitely not right...
I think Elvis has not much to say anymore, I think others are taking care of business for the estate and I have the feeling he doesn't agree. LMP has not much left from the estate anymore as I understood, only 15% or so. Who has the rest? And why did she sell it? And did Elvis agree on that? Did she sell out of free will? I think this goes indeed deeper than we thought.
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I can imagine the "control" scientology would have over members...especially high profile members because of their auditing. They'd be privy to everybody's sins and misdemeanors, foibles and eccentricities. Sounds like a setup for blackmail to me.
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Okay, I think I understand. I'd forgotten about TS' comments about this re: Jesse/Scientology. But it is also true that Jesse/Elvis did not want Eliza to come out with this either? Yet, I agree, something's not right. Maybe LMP is starting to feel the burden of this to the point of collapsing. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
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Eliza posted at 2.26 p.m.
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Just an interesting thing I noted today, but maybe just coincidental :? . Hubby at TV, I watched a few minutes of Ellen DeGeneres. She said, "This is going to be 'THE BEST BIRTHDAY EVER'. And I went :shock: ! :lol: It's her birthday today on the 26th! Anyway, she had as a guest right then come on, Jaden Smith who brought her a picture telling of a well he bought for her. He mentioned that his sister was coming out with her album.
Edit, I think I'll just move the rest over to a new post with a proper title. viewtopic.php?f=188&t=17565 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=17565)