Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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Michael Jackson might still be alive if Conrad Murray hadn't been chatting me up on the phone, claims Sade Anding
PRETTY Sade Anding told last night how Michael Jackson's doctor was chatting her up on the phone as the superstar lay dying.
The waitress claimed Jacko might even have SURVIVED if Conrad Murray had been giving him his full attention.
King of Pop ... Michael Jackson died from a lethal dose of Propofol
Murray - the star's £100,000- a-month personal physician - made the call after allegedly administering a cocktail of drugs. He is said to have left Jacko's bedroom before ringing, then returned still on his mobile to find him battling for life.
The time of the call and how long 57-year-old dad of seven Murray spent on the phone is set to be crucial at his trial, due to start next month.
Sade, 24, said Murray began calling her and showering her with cash after they met in a steakhouse and bar in Houston, Texas. He pursued her for seven months - despite him living with 28-year-old former stripper Nicole Alvarez at the time.
Describing her call with flirty Murray, Sade told The Sun: "I said, 'Hello' and he said, 'It's Conrad'. I asked him what he was doing and he seemed distracted. It just took him a long time to say anything.
"So I was like, 'OK, let me tell you about my day.' I must have gone on for five minutes or so.
"I started saying, 'Hello? Hello?' I pushed the phone towards my ear and I could hear coughing and mumbling - there was a lot of commotion.
"It seemed like the phone was in his pocket or somewhere that made a lot of noise. That's when I hung up. I called and texted him but he didn't respond.
"I knew there was something really wrong. I felt like this stabbing pain in my chest.
"For him to get off the phone like that without saying anything to me was not normal and, with all the commotion, it seemed to me like an emergency.
"I turned on the TV a couple of hours later and heard about Michael. I realised that must have been what was going on. I was really sad about his death and to have heard all that stuff over the phone was really upsetting."
Sade went on: "Maybe Conrad could have reacted faster. I'm mad that he didn't take care of Michael like he was supposed to.
"I wish he had never met me. Maybe if he hadn't called me, Michael would still be here. I feel so guilty."
Jackson, 50, collapsed at a rented Los Angeles mansion in June 2009. Murray tried to resuscitate him but paramedics were not called for 25 minutes.
The Thriller star was finally declared dead in hospital. It was revealed at a hearing last month that Murray had been on the phone at the start of the drama - but it was thought he had been calling Alvarez, the mother of his young son, at their home in Santa Monica.
The drugs Murray is said to have given Jackson include powerful sedative Propofol. Murray denies involuntary manslaughter and is expected to claim Jacko gave himself the fatal dose.
Sade said the first time she saw the cardiologist he handed her a $100 tip for a $10 drink.
She recalled: "He told me he was from Trinidad and that he had started a clinic in Houston.
"He told me he was very successful. He said the song I'm Coming Up is the theme of his life - that he came up from nothing to where he was now.
"He said nothing about a girlfriend and all these children.
"We talked for about 15 minutes and eventually he said he wanted me to look after him every time he came.
"Sure enough, he kept coming back and tipping well."
They would speak on the phone at least once a week, and Murray started referring to Sade as his girlfriend. But despite their numerous meetings she insisted they never had sex.
She said: "I told him I had a boyfriend. I was his confidant. I felt like I was important to him. I felt like he needed me to get things off his chest. He would call me and tell me about his day and his problems. We just talked about random stuff."
Within a few weeks he landed the role as Jacko's personal doctor. Sade said: "He said Michael and him had been good friends for a while, ever since Prince got sick and he was called out and Michael liked him.
"After he took on Michael he started to show off a little more. He tried to impress me with it.
"Every time he saw me there was money involved, but I didn't ask for it.
"We went to a pizza place for lunch and as I was leaving he gave me a hug, grabbed my hand and gave me $450. Another time he asked me to come to his hotel and gave me a black strapless dress. We went for a meal.
"He brought up Michael in a very weird way. He said, 'I bet Michael is missing me right now.'
"After the meal we went to a bar. On the way he took out $400 from a bank and gave it to me.
"Back at the hotel I sat in a chair in his room and he sat on the bed. He gets out a cheque book and writes something, rips out a sheet and gives it to me - it's a $500 cheque.
"Looking back I think he was hoping I would join him on the bed, but I said I had to go."
Murray promised to bring Sade to England to meet Jacko at his ill-fated gigs at London's O2 Arena.
Sade said they still spoke on the phone after the star's death, but calls would last no more than two minutes and Murray seemed worried they might be recorded.
She added: "He told me that whatever I hear about him to not believe it, that he would explain himself - and that he was sorry that I had to go through this."
What stood out to me is the song mentioned. I'm coming up sang by Diana Ross.
I'm coming out
I'm coming
I'm coming out
I'm coming out
I'm coming out
I'm coming out
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
Got to let it show
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
I got to let it show
There's a new me coming out
And I just had to live
And I wanna give
I'm completely positive
I think this time around
I am gonna do it
Like you never do it
Like you never knew it
Ooh, I'll make it through
The time has come for me
To break out of the shell
I have to shout
That I'm coming out
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
Got to let it show
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
I got to let it show
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
Got to let it show
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
I got to let it show
I've got to show the world
All that I wanna be
And all my billities
Ther's so much more to me
Somehow, I have to make them
Just understand
I got it well in hand
And, oh, how I've planned
I'm spreadin' love
There's no need to fear
And I just feel so glad
Everytime I hear:
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
Got to let it show
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
I got to let it show
More of a perfect song for MJ...the words such as;
I'm coming out (BAM/Return)
I want the world to know (Announcement to the world that he LIVES)
The time has come for me (Timing of the BAM)
I have to shout (Tell us why he did it...to warn us)
There's so much more to me (he is not just a performer but someone who cares for the world and the people in it)
Somehow, I have to make them just understand (why he did it...faked his death)
And, oh, how I've planned (not to worry because he always thinks things through and is a few steps ahead of everyone)
I'm spreadin' love (Army of L.O.V.E)
There's no need to fear (not to be worried it will all work out)
are very telling
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"There was a lot of commotion. She added: "He told me that whatever I hear about him to not believe it, that he would explain himself - and that he was sorry that I had to go through this."
Maybe commotions were about preparing dummy to appear as Michael?
We don't believe either whatever we hear about Murray, yet.
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ever since Prince got sick and he was called out and Michael liked him.
She said ever since Prince got sick, I may be mistaken, but wasn`t Paris sick, and not Prince? I am not really sure. Not to believe what we hear about Conrad? He has this one right. He is not a cardiologist, nor a doctor,and does not know how to operate CPR. He got that one right :lol:
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Yes I thought it was Paris too.
This news article also said that,
Dr. Conrad Murray, right (with defense attorney John Michael Flanagan), emailed that Michael Jackson was in good health.
Los Angeles (CNN) — Dr. Conrad Murray sent an email to a British insurance agent assuring him that Michael Jackson was in good health just 40 minutes before the doctor realized the pop star had stopped breathing, according to testimony Monday.
The email, found on Murray’s iPhone, was introduced Monday at a preliminary hearing to decide if the involuntary manslaughter case against Murray will go to trial. http://mjforeverlove.wordpress.com/2011 ... fatal-day/ (http://mjforeverlove.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/testimony-jacksons-doctor-e-mailed-that-star-was-ok-on-fatal-day/)
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A SAD ENDING IS BACK.
Is she for real?
She's talking to the worst publication after TMZ and is expected to be taken seriously?
Murray promised to bring Sade to England to meet Jacko at his ill-fated gigs at London's O2 Arena.
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That's a lie,it was Nicole and the baby who he asked to go to England,in the prelim she said he asked her to go and they would be gone for a few months but back for the holidays(xmas)How would that have worked?Inviting all his hoes,baby's mom's,girlfriends on the tour together..
it's like an episode of Jerry Springer
(DDA questions now about the London tour and upcoming trip.)
Alvarez knew that Dr. Murray would be going to England. She was invited to go along with him. Doesn’t recall when she was invited???
DDA Q: Were you excited about the trip?
Alvarez: Definitely! Definitely.
DDA Q: Did you know how long you would be gone?
Alvarez: He never told me exactly how long (we would be gone), I knew it would be .......that we would be home for the holidays.
She had not made any plans (regarding a question to give up her apartment or not) for the trip. The baby is mentioned. “I was concerned. I wanted to go. I had a baby. “
DDA Q: The baby might have prevented you from going on the trip? Childcare, traveling.
Alvarez: Yes.
Refresh of what Sade said in court
Witness # 12 Sade Anding
DDA: In Feb 2009 where employed?
Anding: Sullivan Steak house.
DDA Q: Where?
Anding: She was a cocktail waitress. “I was there for six months at that time; six-eight months.
DDA Q: Describe the steak house. Which part did you work as? (Objection relevance, sustained.)Restaurant or lounge? (Objection sustained.)
While working as a cocktail waitress, did you meet someone who identified himself as Conrad Murray.
Anding: Yes.
DDA Q: Do you see him? (Anding identifies Dr. Murray.) Do you recall when it was you first met Conrad Murray, what month?
Anding: It was after Valentine’s Day. I just know I had started there two/three months [prior].
DDA Q: So the latter portion of February or the beginning of March?
Anding: Yes.
DDA Q: How did you meet? (Objection, overruled.)
Anding: Met him at the restaurant? (Objection, sustained.)
DDA Q: When you met Conrad Murray at Sullivan Steak House was he working there?
Anding: met him at the restaurant.
DDA Q: Did your first meeting with [Murray] at the restaurant stand out in your mind? (Objection, sustained.) Was there something unusual about your meeting? (Objection, vague.)
Judge Pastor: Do you have an offer of proof?
DDA (EC): I do your honor. Approach the bench.
DDA Q: From that first meeting with Dr. Murray, did you see him with some frequency?
When you first meet him did you see him on other occasions?
Did Dr. Murray refer to you as his girlfriend? Were you Conrad Murray’s girlfriend?
Anding: Yes.
DDA Q: Ms. Anding, in June 2009, was your telephone number (837) 366-3832?
Anding: Yes.
DDA Q: On June 25th 2009 did you receive a phone call from Conrad Murray?
Anding: Yes.
DDA Q: What time was it your time in Houston [when Dr. Murray called]?
Anding: I know it was 12:30 about. It was in the afternoon yes.
DDA Q: You were on your way out? (Objection sustained.) Did Dr. Murray telephone you on your cell phone, residence or landline?
Anding: Cell phone.
DDA Q: What did he say when he first spoke?
Anding: He told me he it was Conrad; he said “Hi,” and “How are you?”
DDA Q: Did you recognize his voice?
Anding: Yes.
DDA Q: He identified himself and asked you how you were. Did he tell you how he was doing?
Anding: He told me I was doing well, then I cut him off and I started talking. I said, “Well, let me tell you about my day.”
Just talked about how down and that I had a job. Before that time I’d seen him was in May.
DDA Q: What day?
Anding: May 23rd. In Houston.
DDA Q: Referring back to June 25 phone call,So you interrupt Dr. Murray and start chatting about your day and going on in your life?
Anding: Yes.
Anding said that she heard another phone go off. Then mumbling voices and then the sound was muffled
DDA Q: For a while into the conversation, you realized that he wasn’t there because he wasn’t saying anything to you?
Do you have any way of knowing when he stopped listening to you?
Anding: No.
DDA Q: Did you ever say anything specific when you realized that he wasn’t saying anything?
Anding: “Just hello, hello, hello. Are you there are you there? (But she didn’t get any response back from Dr. Murray.)
DDA Q: When you heard the mumbling on the other end, did you recognize the voice [as being Dr. Murray]?
Anding: No.
DDA Q: You said you tried to call Dr. Murray’s phone back and you got a response and but you got no response back? Was that unusual?
Anding: Yes. Last time I talked to Dr. Murray was when LAPD came to my house. It was sometime in 2009.
DDA Q: She was attending an event when the police came in Houston?
Anding: Yes.
DDA Q: Did you go to a sporting event?
Anding: Yes. A baseball game.
DDA Q: At some time did you learn that police that wanted to speak to you?
Anding: I called Conrad Murray and told him that the police came to my house. He said that he was sorry to have put me in that position. He made a request for her to call an attorney afterward.
DDA Q: Asked if she spoke to Dr. Murray’s attorney the next day. (Objection sustained.)
Defense cross-examination Chernoff.
Q: Ms. Anding, how are you? when did you get to LA? Did you fly yourself in?
Anding: No. (She flew into LA on County’s dime, spent the night last night and will fly out today (Friday).
Q: Was there anything else that you told Ms. Brazil today that you did not say previously?
Anding: No.
Chernoff: That’s it.
What exactly is the point of this article being printed now?
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I wonder if Sad Ending mean't I'm Coming Out by Diana Ross because the article says I'm Coming Up. With Murrey's playboy roll in this hoax maybe it's the Pink song Get This Party Started. Seems he liked to party pretty hearty wid the ladeez. Another thing, this man is supposedly 57. Same age as my husband. Me thinks he should be slowing down a tad in that department unless he has been prescribing himself viagra.
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Me thinks he should be slowing down a tad in that department unless he has been prescribing himself viagra.
I just laughed so loud at this,I woke my cat up
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Another thing, this man is supposedly 57. Same age as my husband. Me thinks he should be slowing down a tad in that department unless he has been prescribing himself viagra.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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with all of these baby mama's and babies and girlfriends of murry you almost get the impression he has jackson blood flowing through his vains ;) came back to correct that spelling but i think i will leave it , it just might fit.
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Conrad's Ex Pokes Holes in Murray's MJ Defense
2/3/2011 7:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff
Dr. Conrad Murray's ex-girlfriend claims Murray knew something was wrong with Michael Jackson at the start of a phone call he made to her on the day MJ died -- a complete contradiction to Murray's story.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/02/03/020311-gma-conrad-gf-video2-credit.jpg)
Sade Anding told Good Morning America Conrad had called her "out of the blue" on June 25, 2009 -- and from the beginning of the call, he "didn't sound like himself at all."
Anding claims she asked Murray what was wrong and he only replied, "Well ...."
That's when Sade claims Murray stopped talking ... and Sade claims she could hear someone "coughing" followed by a "mumbling of voices."
As TMZ previously reported, Murray told police he was on the phone with someone for a solid 5 minutes before he noticed something was wrong with MJ and got off the phone.
Prosecutors believe Murray may have known there was a problem earlier than he claims ... and may have used the time to cover up and make calls to establish his own timeline.
Video: http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true ... a064f4d6af (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=46b5c62d-8a83-44ac-8231-21a064f4d6af)
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FULL VIDEO
http://soc.li/kYF0VYi (http://soc.li/kYF0VYi)
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Um, is she supposed to go around giving interviews if she's a witness in the case?
And...
Did that interview seem weird to anyone else? The whole time I was thinking they really should have gotten a better actress for that part. lol
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I have merged two topics together,incase you're wondering where the other one is.
I have changed the name too,so it combines both articles.
One is about the sun,the other is TMZ's take on it.
Same story,Sade Anding.
She looks like a very sad ending on that TMZ photo doesn't she?!
She might get a nomination...she won't win the Oscar though lol.
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RK
You know what that Viagra is?? It's MONEY. It's an aphrodisiac. He just got hired by this HUGE celeb..got a HUGE income and BAM his HEAD blows up!!! ..literally both of 'em ;)
I think they both boosted his libido and upped the game, he felt/feels infallible. And don't he have that attitude to you?
But, in the course of the hoax, it's a great role for him. I wonder if there IS truth to all the babies etc..any of it, of if it's a role too, you know, don't believe what you see cuz those may be fixed too as far as we know to make him look like he has bad judgment all the way around.
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How can lady just accept that a guy coming out of the blue saying he's rich, gives so much money and she accepts it as if it was just normal life ?
I must live in another space... :lol:
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Anding claims she asked Murray what was wrong and he only replied, "Well ...."
That's when Sade claims Murray stopped talking ... and Sade claims she could hear someone "coughing" followed by a "mumbling of voices."
Ajaaa,.. and then with who spoke Murray, ("mumbling") is assumed that he was only in the room with Michael :roll: :mrgreen:
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I have merged two topics together,incase you're wondering where the other one is.
I have changed the name too,so it combines both articles.
One is about the sun,the other is TMZ's take on it.
Same story,Sade Anding.
She looks like a very sad ending on that TMZ photo doesn't she?!
She might get a nomination...she won't win the Oscar though lol.
http://ballyhooligan.files.wordpress.co ... =200&h=405 (http://ballyhooligan.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/golden-toilet-award.jpg?w=200&h=405)
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How can lady just accept that a guy coming out of the blue saying he's rich, gives so much money and she accepts it as if it was just normal life ?
I must live in another space... :lol:
You do.
It's Hollywood babe..
He was paying her $400+ at a time,everytime he saw her,there must be more to it than just having dinner.
I'm sorry but you only get paid by a guy if your a hooker/escort type person,your bribing them or you have a child to them (unless you have one to Jermaine)
She didn't have a kid,Nicole took that on so that leaves.........bribes and getting down and dirty for money.
hmm.
and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that happens just because it's Hollywood or everyone in LA is like that,I live there and i'm certainly not like that.
It just happens more often there because there are a lot of people with a lot of money and a lot of high end.....everything.
People don't bat an eyelid to any of it.
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Here is the link to the thread about her Good Morning America Appearance (and the ABC article).
viewtopic.php?f=219&t=17698 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=219&t=17698)
Grace made such a wonderful point there about the fact that Sade was a waitress...
Here is what she said:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=219&t=17698#p302449
Waitress:
A woman who serves at a table, as in a restaurant.
(note: wait ---> time)
Waitress (film), Release date: May 25, 2007
Plot
Keri Russell plays Jenna, a waitress living in the American South, who is trapped in an unhappy marriage with the abusive Earl (Jeremy Sisto). She works in Joe's Pie Diner, where her job includes creating inventive pies with unusual titles inspired by her life, such as the "Bad Baby Pie" she invents after her unwanted pregnancy is confirmed. Jenna longs to run away from her dismal marriage, and is slowly accumulating money to do so. She pins her hopes for escape on a pie contest in a nearby town, which offers a $25,000 grand prize, but her husband won't let her go. Her only friends are coworkers Becky and Dawn (Cheryl Hines and Adrienne Shelly), and Joe (Andy Griffith), the curmudgeonly owner of the diner and several other local businesses, who encourages her to begin a new life elsewhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitress_%28film%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitress_%28film%29)
Michael Jackson: Keep Your Head Up Lyrics
She's looking for a job and a finer place to stay,
She's looking for the hope and the empty promises,
She's working two jobs, keeping alive,
She works in a restaurant night and day,
She waits her life away,
She wipes her tears away.
She's cries inside every time she feels this way,
And she's dying inside, every time her baby cries.
[...]
Everybody say that time is borrowed,
And hanging down your head is no good,
And if your day arrives above tomorrow
Just give yourself a chance,
Fight the circumstance,
Rising too, again!
Keeping your head up to the sky!
Keeping your mind stay alive,
Gimmie your wings so we can fly,
Keep your head up, tonight!
Keeping your head up to the sky,
Are we could just rise up, tell me now?
Give me your wings so we can fly!
Sade:
Short form of Folasade, a Yoruban/African name meaning "honor confers a crown".
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Um, is she supposed to go around giving interviews if she's a witness in the case?
And...
Did that interview seem weird to anyone else? The whole time I was thinking they really should have gotten a better actress for that part. lol
It is weird. She is overacting, a better actress would have cost more and they have a budget, this hoax has a big cast. lol
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OK guys this is really something. Now that we have Sade coming out talking about her phone call with Murray. When she says that she heard coughing in the background and mumbling voices......could the coughing have been MJ? ( I know dumb question) or who in the hell could have been in that room with Murray? :( Because if we go by what we heard from this woman then.........There was definitley more than MJ and Murray in that room! And this is.....well.......Sad! :( I belive this definitley adds a new twist into the investigation how I do not know. Your thougts?
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Yeah..it was probably Murray coughing. What would make her think it wasn't?? He hadn't answered her! He don't answer, then she hears coughing...wouldn't YOU think he was gone to cough?? It's all in the SCRIPT
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I have merged two topics together,incase you're wondering where the other one is.
I have changed the name too,so it combines both articles.
One is about the sun,the other is TMZ's take on it.
Same story,Sade Anding.
She looks like a very sad ending on that TMZ photo doesn't she?!
She might get a nomination...she won't win the Oscar though lol.
The articles should not have been combined since each of them points out different argument.
So, I will paste here my opinion that opposes "poke" made by Sade to weak Muray's defense is sustantiated because:
"coughing" followed by a "mumbling of voices" proves nothing in terms of Michael was really dying or dead. In that case, she shold have listened voices like "Oh my God!", or "what the fuck!", or "Michael, Michael, are you ok!", and alike. So, "mumbling", on the other hand, more seems nothing substantial was going on.
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yeah looks like shes crying on the picture..
Sad Ending = Sade Anding? :geek:
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The articles should not have been combined since each of them points out different argument.
Well I decided they should,there does not need to be two threads on the same woman,talking about the same thing running at the same time.
The arguments can be made on both in the one thread.
I locked your's because the article had already been posted.
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Yeah I guess Murray could have been coughing and mumbling to himself?
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This Sade sounds like a real "Smooth Operator" totally PUN intended here. And I'm trying to figure why they quoted the name of that Diana Ross song wrong. I'm Coming Up instead of I'm Coming Out. Sounds like Conny thought he was the sh*t throwing money around to these women. But yet he supposedly cannot take care of his kids or ex's :?
He's a real mystery man.
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Sounds like Conny thought he was the sh*t throwing money around to these women. But yet he supposedly cannot take care of his kids or ex's :?
He's a real mystery man.
Wonder is Michael knew he had all these wives/girlfriends/'hired help'/children
paying women for dinner,buying them dresses,not paying for his children,cheating on their mom's with the other kids mom,and basically being a bastard....
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I have merged two topics together,incase you're wondering where the other one is.
I have changed the name too,so it combines both articles.
One is about the sun,the other is TMZ's take on it.
Same story,Sade Anding.
She looks like a very sad ending on that TMZ photo doesn't she?!
She might get a nomination...she won't win the Oscar though lol.
http://ballyhooligan.files.wordpress.co ... =200&h=405 (http://ballyhooligan.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/golden-toilet-award.jpg?w=200&h=405)
LMAO
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all4loveandbelieve wrote: ever since Prince got sick and he was called out and Michael liked him.
She said ever since Prince got sick, I may be mistaken, but wasn`t Paris sick, and not Prince? I am not really sure. Not to believe what we hear about Conrad? He has this one right. He is not a cardiologist, nor a doctor,and does not know how to operate CPR. He got that one right :lol:
I never understood why a cardiologist would be called to treat a child who wasn't feeling well. Why not a pediatrician? According to a New York Times article in September 2009, "Dr. Murray met Mr. Jackson in 2006, when the singer’s daughter, Paris, became ill on a trip with Mr. Jackson to Las Vegas, Ms. Sevcik said. A member of the singer’s entourage knew Dr. Murray and called him in to treat her; he struck up a friendship with Mr. Jackson."
Once again...nothing about the events surrounding Michael's "death" add up. 8-)
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What stood out to me is the song mentioned. I'm coming up sang by Diana Ross.
I'm coming out
I'm coming
I'm coming out
I'm coming out
I'm coming out
I'm coming out
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
Got to let it show
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
I got to let it show
There's a new me coming out
And I just had to live
And I wanna give
I'm completely positive
I think this time around
I am gonna do it
Like you never do it
Like you never knew it
Ooh, I'll make it through
The time has come for me
To break out of the shell
I have to shout
That I'm coming out
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
Got to let it show
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
I got to let it show
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
Got to let it show
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
I got to let it show
I've got to show the world
All that I wanna be
And all my billities
Ther's so much more to me
Somehow, I have to make them
Just understand
I got it well in hand
And, oh, how I've planned
I'm spreadin' love
There's no need to fear
And I just feel so glad
Everytime I hear:
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
Got to let it show
I'm coming out
I want the world to know
I got to let it show
More of a perfect song for MJ...the words such as;
I'm coming out (BAM/Return)
I want the world to know (Announcement to the world that he LIVES)
The time has come for me (Timing of the BAM)
I have to shout (Tell us why he did it...to warn us)
There's so much more to me (he is not just a performer but someone who cares for the world and the people in it)
Somehow, I have to make them just understand (why he did it...faked his death)
And, oh, how I've planned (not to worry because he always thinks things through and is a few steps ahead of everyone)
I'm spreadin' love (Army of L.O.V.E)
There's no need to fear (not to be worried it will all work out)
are very telling
Ditto! :) A very amazing song choice to summarize the hoax. And about this news; the dramatic structure is very needed for a feature film. And this one feeds the drama side of the hoax. Michael is going to show the world and this is definitely going to be a Thriller II! :D
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It is weird. She is overacting, a better actress would have cost more and they have a budget, this hoax has a big cast. lol
Sometimes Overacting is used on purpose to let the Viewers know that what they are watching is NOT real and it is all just a movie. ;) So probably she is overacting on purpose or she was chosen instead of a professional actress because overacting was needed, and it was known that she was going to overact. :)
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I just saw her on TV moments ago crying her eyes out saying how she regrets being on the phone with Murray and saying she heard choking and coughing sounds in the background but she's also very vague. She didn't say maybe I could have saved Michael by not being on the phone but instead maybe I could have prevented the things that went on in that room from happening the way they did.
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I could be wrong, but she does look so familiar....is this the same person who was at the private funeral ??? The one that hugs the mystery man (who could be Dr Murray in disguise) ??????????????????? The one who is standing up in this still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8&feature=related)
[youtube:2ag3e72c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8&feature=related[/youtube:2ag3e72c]
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I could be wrong, but she does look so familiar....is this the same person who was at the private funeral ??? The one that hugs the mystery man (who could be Dr Murray in disguise) ??????????????????? The one who is standing up in this still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8&feature=related)
[youtube:14ivsk2v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8&feature=related[/youtube:14ivsk2v]
She is an actual actress,her name escapes me atm though
She is the one the camera fixes on while she talks to someone and says something along the lines of
"I was crying,and then he told me he was still alive,and then we all went together,we went with him to (looks like she said hayvenhurst still working on it!)"
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Um, is she supposed to go around giving interviews if she's a witness in the case?
And...
Did that interview seem weird to anyone else? The whole time I was thinking they really should have gotten a better actress for that part. lol
It is weird. She is overacting, a better actress would have cost more and they have a budget, this hoax has a big cast. lol
Something is not okay with this many people being involved in the hoax. A secret can be kept when you involve as less people as possible. It bugs me from the beginning.
And the preliminary hearing... did they all lie under oath???
I can only imagine that maybe the whole "death" scene was played by a few people who were in the know, and others who also stayed in the house that day still think it was real. So they don't have to lie. (Although they are lied to... but it's another topic). Probably this Sade is not an actress, and she really thinks that Michael is dead.
But this theory of mine is also a little strange and I wouldn't really like if this was the case... But then again - how could so many people keep this big secret if they are all involved?
Sorry if it was discussed earlier (probably it was) but I never found a topic about it, and in the last months I have had less time to read the forum.
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Who runs this TNZ on twitter,True news zone?
They don't have a clue what they are talking about
Example
TrueNewsZone TNZ [True News Zone]
Yet pretty odd that 'Sade Anding', is giving interviews about that "certain call" here and there, wasn't a witness in the dr. Murray case.
ER,she was?
On day 4,2nd on the stand,before lunch and before Bridget Morgan and Nicole Alvarez.
TNZ are about as good at reporting the actual news as TMZ....
Last week they tweeted that the 'fans' trying to get into FL-who we know are Taaj and one of her stalker friends-were believers trying to prove it's empty.
Give me strength.
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I agree with that.....how can so many people keep a secret.
But maybe because, all the certain people involved, have a "gag order" and are on payroll...or contract. There are many, many actors trying to get a job, and I'm sure if the price is right, they will do what they have been told to do, under some signed confidentiality agreement...IMO.
I have seen many familiar faces at every public appearance and courtcases.
I have extensively researched this from the beginning, and it is possible that this is the case. The rest is just nature taking its course. There are beLIEvers, and fans fighting for justice, but we are not on a payroll.
Certain actors continually show up, and it leads me to believe that these people are playing their part in this amazing hoax.
Remember the first child support hearing with CM??? There were some weird looking people there, who seem to be in disguise. They may have been used later for other roles and have not been recognised in their new role.
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I agree with that.....how can so many people keep a secret.
But maybe because, all the certain people involved, have a "gag order" and are on payroll...or contract. There are many, many actors trying to get a job, and I'm sure if the price is right, they will do what they have been told to do, under some signed confidentiality agreement...IMO.
I have seen many familiar faces at every public appearance and courtcases.
I have extensively researched this from the beginning, and it is possible that this is the case. The rest is just nature taking its course. There are beLIEvers, and fans fighting for justice, but we are not on a payroll.
Certain actors continually show up, and it leads me to believe that these people are playing their part in this amazing hoax.
Remember the first child support hearing with CM??? There were some weird looking people there, who seem to be in disguise. They may have been used later for other roles and have not been recognised in their new role.
Thank you for your answer 2good2btrue!
I haven't thought of this possibility yet. I should have though, as during this hoax we have been looking for disguises continuously :)
I find it absolutely possible - although these are still a little too many people who MUST keep this secret. Even if they get a lot of money, there is a risk that they tell their boyfriends/girlfriends, etc after having a little wine or something. Okay, maybe nobody believes them even if they blab out something about the hoax ;) Oh, okay I got a little better concerning this question :lol: Sometimes writing helps to solve problems, having new ideas :)
But I still would like to hear your opinion about the preliminary court hearings. Did they lie under oath, or some of them don't know a thing about the hoax or...? How can this problem be solved? They must have figured out something for not causing these "witnesses" any trouble.
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This is what stuck out to me:
She added: "He told me that whatever I hear about him to not believe it, that he would explain himself - and that he was sorry that I had to go through this."
Here are my thoughts:
She is speaking now because she gave evidence in the court and now she has sold her story... MONEY. I think thats the reason and i have to give her credit for waiting this long to sell her story. Karen Faye didnt wait for the prelim, did she???
Also.. about her "lying" about Murray inviting her to London. This could be the truth. Murray seems to have a lot of women on the go, and it could be that he lied to her and promised a trip to London as a way of impressing her and getting her to stick around. That, along with the flashing the cash, is classic womanising behaviour.
Also.. this stuck in my mind... anyone remember Sam Gossen tweeting threats to Kenny Ortega?>>> she tweeted to him "I HOPE YOU COUGH TO DEATH"
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Also.. this stuck in my mind... anyone remember Sam Gossen tweeting threats to Kenny Ortega?>>> she tweeted to him "I HOPE YOU COUGH TO DEATH"
I remember that and I thought it was disgusting. Are you thinking that because Kenny asked for water? Was SdG in the courtroom that day?
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Also.. this stuck in my mind... anyone remember Sam Gossen tweeting threats to Kenny Ortega?>>> she tweeted to him "I HOPE YOU COUGH TO DEATH"
I remember that and I thought it was disgusting. Are you thinking that because Kenny asked for water? Was SdG in the courtroom that day?
I know SDG was hanging about the prelim as i saw her on one of the videos. I dont know if she was there every day or if she went into the court.
I thought of that comment after Sade Anding said she heard "coughing and mumbling" in the background.
Probably means nothing, but it just brought to mind the threat Sam Gossen made to Kenny Ortega. x
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Also.. this stuck in my mind... anyone remember Sam Gossen tweeting threats to Kenny Ortega?>>> she tweeted to him "I HOPE YOU COUGH TO DEATH"
I remember that and I thought it was disgusting. Are you thinking that because Kenny asked for water? Was SdG in the courtroom that day?
I know SDG was hanging about the prelim as i saw her on one of the videos. I dont know if she was there every day or if she went into the court.
I thought of that comment after Sade Anding said she heard "coughing and mumbling" in the background.
Probably means nothing, but it just brought to mind the threat Sam Gossen made to Kenny Ortega. x
Ah okay. I tend to think that particular 'fan'group are the ones that made his life miserable at times and therefore I find it odd that Karen seems to be best friends with them, since she claims to have been so close to MJ. Maybe Karen's role is to expose them for what they are: ignorant and dangerous stalkers. Maybe they all play a role, although I can't see why they would act like that, and maybe Karen is equally crazy. Everytime I look at her with him or see her talk about him, I get the feeling she always wanted to be more than just his make-up artist, but then again, she would be one of millions I guess. I must say I am honestly puzzled about KF, but I think we will know in time.
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all4loveandbelieve wrote: ever since Prince got sick and he was called out and Michael liked him.
She said ever since Prince got sick, I may be mistaken, but wasn`t Paris sick, and not Prince? I am not really sure. Not to believe what we hear about Conrad? He has this one right. He is not a cardiologist, nor a doctor,and does not know how to operate CPR. He got that one right :lol:
I never understood why a cardiologist would be called to treat a child who wasn't feeling well. Why not a pediatrician? According to a New York Times article in September 2009, "Dr. Murray met Mr. Jackson in 2006, when the singer’s daughter, Paris, became ill on a trip with Mr. Jackson to Las Vegas, Ms. Sevcik said. A member of the singer’s entourage knew Dr. Murray and called him in to treat her; he struck up a friendship with Mr. Jackson."
Once again...nothing about the events surrounding Michael's "death" add up. 8-)
Thank you for posting this. I knew it, wasn't Prince who was sick it was Paris. Again wrong information. This is what I said all along why a cardiologist taking care of a young child? Pediatricians are for young children. Go figure that one out. thanks again.
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I could be wrong, but she does look so familiar....is this the same person who was at the private funeral ??? The one that hugs the mystery man (who could be Dr Murray in disguise) ??????????????????? The one who is standing up in this still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8&feature=related)
[youtube:5x2qyc68]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8&feature=related[/youtube:5x2qyc68]
She is an actual actress,her name escapes me atm though
She is the one the camera fixes on while she talks to someone and says something along the lines of
"I was crying,and then he told me he was still alive,and then we all went together,we went with him to (looks like she said hayvenhurst still working on it!)"
yep, her name is Regina Hall