Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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MJ's Kids -- Murray Couldn't Have Killed Our Dad (http://www.tmz.com/2011/02/20/michael-jackson-doctor-conrad-murray-grace-rwaramba-heart-doctor-kids-dialed-911/)
2/20/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's children refused to believe their dad died of a heart attack -- because MJ used to RAVE that Dr. Murray was the BEST doctor on EARTH ... TMZ has learned.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/02/19/0216-michael-jackson-conrad-ex-getty-credit.jpg)
MJ's former nanny, Grace Rwaramba, spoke with LAPD investigators in the months after Michael died ... and explained how Murray became a "regular" around the house when the singer lived in Vegas ... coming by at least two times a week.
Grace told investigators Michael would constantly brag about Murray in front of the kids -- and that's why after he died, the kids would say, "There's no way daddy could have died of a heart attack because Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world."
Grace also said Michael first met Murray through a member of MJ's security team ... and explained MJ felt he could trust Murray, because the security guy claimed he had some sort of mysterious leverage over the doc.
Grace offered no further explanation about the mysterious leverage.
And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
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The only thing I saw in that article was this:
"There's no way daddy could have died!" 8-)
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Piece by piece its reveiling ....and yes my first thoughts also NO WAY YOUR DAD DIED OF A HEARTATTACK OR WHATEVER 8-) :D He is alive !!
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And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
what could this be? where is this from? 2009 or earlier?
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And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
what could this be? where is this from? 2009 or earlier?
It was said that MJ passed out in his London Hotel in March 2009.
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but it wasn't the only article. There were various made up by media on this subject and everything was a lie so far, as usual, as expected, but this one with the 911 call I haven't read before.
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TMZ is not the gospel :lol: They are th ones talking about the 911 call made by the kids...who knows!?
I still think that Murray SAVED Michael.
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Hey if this is true I will believe MJ's kids before adults anyday. Kids are usually honest for the most part and they have nothing to gain from lying. This sounds like it could be a good thing to me.
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"Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world." Reminds me of Paris' speech. Our daddy is the best father in the whole world :D
"because the security guy claimed he had some sort of mysterious leverage over the doc". Now what kind of influence could that be....family maybe ;)
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And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
what could this be? where is this from? 2009 or earlier?
It was said that MJ passed out in his London Hotel in March 2009.
If is this true then it would be logical that someone sends a double to the announcement to make the speech.
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What Does Leverage Mean?
1. The use of various financial instruments or borrowed capital, such as margin, to increase the potential return of an investment.
2. The amount of debt used to finance a firm's assets. A firm with significantly more debt than equity is considered to be highly leveraged.
Leverage is most commonly used in real estate transactions through the use of mortgages to purchase a home.
And didn't Murray get introduced to MJ from treating his children??
Suddenly, the story has changed again..this article states that he was introduced to MJ through a security personnel.....because he had a mysterious financial instruments or borrowed capital, such as margin, to increase the potential return of an investment.
Did you know that Mohamed Faheed (security) and Grace Rwaramba are involved with the Nation of Islam, and so is Dr Thome Thome /??
His visit to Florida could have been for Disneyland.
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Did you edit my post Souza? like know how you made that header link to the tmz article :?: always interested how some things done within posts.
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So now, we have another story from TMZ, which now suggests that the children don't think Murray could have hurt their father because he was the "Best Dr. in the whole world".
Didn't Paris say at the memorial, the "My father was the best daddy you could have imagined".
This new evidence is great for the defence. MJ's children are now suggesting Dr Murray didn't kill their father ??? WTF. Obviously, they don't want him behind bars. :? :?
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Did you edit my post Souza? like know how you made that header link to the tmz article :?: always interested how some things done within posts.
I did it ;) will send you PM how to to this.
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So now they involve the kids in it. Who can believe the kids are lying?
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BTW - it is nice to see the timing the article was posted
2/20/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff
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Haha..they're spoon-feeding the hoax to the public.
First stage: Murray couldn't have killed our Dad.
Second stage: Nobody could have killed our Dad.
Third, and last stage: If nobody killed the Dad...the Dad is ALIVE.
Where's Dad? Dad...Daddy...MJ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
This made my day!
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Haha..they're spoon-feeding the hoax to the public.
First stage: Murray couldn't have killed our Dad.
Second stage: Nobody could have killed our Dad.
Third, and last stage: If nobody killed the Dad...the Dad is ALIVE.
Where's Dad? Dad...Daddy...MJ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
This made my day!
Did I say dad? No I dadn't - nothing could be my father from the truth :mrgreen:
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I have got the feeling. Grace is not trustworthy.
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I can't even cope with this LMAO.
I need another cup of tea before I get stuck into a proper in-depth thought/reply session over this article/development.
Haha..they're spoon-feeding the hoax to the public.
First stage: Murray couldn't have killed our Dad.
Second stage: Nobody could have killed our Dad.
Third, and last stage: If nobody killed the Dad...the Dad is ALIVE.
Where's Dad? Dad...Daddy...MJ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
This made my day!
HAHAHAHAHAAHA You know it's true :P
Also,just like to say TMZ is not the gospel by any stretch of the imagination,however..as we know,the worlds media seem to believe that they have 100% reliable sources and copy and paste them on a regular basis,so this story will circulate like all those before it,therefore transmitting the idea to the general public that if the kids are saying he never killed him(when they were there and it was said in the prelim they saw Michael not breathing,naked,etc),there is a song in the charts called 'Michael Jackson is not dead',the lawyer is compromising the trial and there is a possible delay on the way etc etc, things will start adding up slowly.
I think now is a good time to believe more than ever.
This trial is slowly going down the drain one drip at a time.
right,brb my brain requires caffine.
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I have got the feeling. Grace is not trustworthy.
Well if she really spoke to the LAPD investigators about this..you'd expect the interview to have been recorded or protocoled or whatever. This would also need to be brought up during the trial with Murray - based on Grace's testimony. Murray's legal team would certainly try to get Grace on their side cus this would help the defence MUCH more than the funny story about MJ being a druggie and injecting himself a shot of propofol and other fairy tales.
It's just so ridiculous how the defence always comes up with something so absurd!! Instead of actually focusing on things that could POSSIBLY help Murray. I mean why don't they try to obtain a professional feedback on Murray - from his colleagues, former professors, medical institution...anyone CREDIBLE, for chrissake!? Well cus they're busy looking for 1,5 year old syringes that were found on an unsealed crime scene. Gimme a break.
Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself.
:roll: We shall see...
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I can't even cope with this LMAO.
I need another cup of tea before I get stuck into a proper in-depth thought/reply session over this article/development.
Haha..they're spoon-feeding the hoax to the public.
First stage: Murray couldn't have killed our Dad.
Second stage: Nobody could have killed our Dad.
Third, and last stage: If nobody killed the Dad...the Dad is ALIVE.
Where's Dad? Dad...Daddy...MJ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
This made my day!
HAHAHAHAHAAHA You know it's true :P
Also,just like to say TMZ is not the gospel by any stretch of the imagination,however..as we know,the worlds media seem to believe that they have 100% reliable sources and copy and paste them on a regular basis,so this story will circulate like all those before it,therefore transmitting the idea to the general public that if the kids are saying he never killed him(when they were there and it was said in the prelim they saw Michael not breathing,naked,etc),there is a song in the charts called 'Michael Jackson is not dead',the lawyer is compromising the trial and there is a possible delay on the way etc etc, things will start adding up slowly.
I think now is a good time to believe more than ever.
This trial is slowly going down the drain one drip at a time.
right,brb my brain requires caffine.
May I have one as well please? Although the good laugh I've had over this actually woke me up LMAO
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I don't know if you guys noticed, the kids do not say their daddy is alive but this article is telling about the moment they learned about the death of their father:
Quote:
"and that's why after he died, the kids would say, "There's no way daddy could have died of a heart attack because Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world."
Just my 2 cents.
But of course the article is weird and denies everything the world thinks about Dr. Murray....
8-)
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And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
what could this be? where is this from? 2009 or earlier?
It was said that MJ passed out in his London Hotel in March 2009.
If is this true then it would be logical that someone sends a double to the announcement to make the speech.
London is a fair distance away from Florida!!!! :lol:
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Another point: If MJ did die, he didnt die of a heart attack. His heart stopped when he stopped breathing due to Propofol intoxication.
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BTW - it is nice to see the timing the article was posted
2/20/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff
Yes...
2+2+2+1+1+1 = 9
:mrgreen:
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Im not suggesting the article is by any means true but I can see a dad telling their kids that Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the world. IF there were some health concerns surrounding Michael, he could have very well have said that to ease his childrens mind. Perhaps they asked why daddy needed a doctor in the first place. Most children see their parents as invincible.
Unless the defense is going put the children on the stand, which I hope they do not, to me, it will just come across as heresay. For some reason, i do to not trust Grace. I feel like she wnats to stay in the public eye.
Hugs and Love
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Im not suggesting the article is by any means true but I can see a dad telling their kids that Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the world. IF there were some health concerns surrounding Michael, he could have very well have said that to ease his childrens mind. Perhaps they asked why daddy needed a doctor in the first place. Most children see their parents as invincible.
Unless the defense is going put the children on the stand, which I hope they do not, to me, it will just come across as heresay. For some reason, i do to not trust Grace. I feel like she wnats to stay in the public eye.
Hugs and Love
and sadly if he was actually doing this it would be expected that he would try and smooth over with them the idea that a doctors was there. this is a sad thought for me because i never want to think that it could be the case. :(
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Michael Jackson's children refused to believe their dad died of a heart attack -- because MJ used to RAVE that Dr. Murray was the BEST doctor on EARTH ... TMZ has learned.
MJ RAVE BEST EARTH
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The only thing I saw in that article was this:
"There's no way daddy could have died!" 8-)
me too!
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So we know for some odd reason Michael had Murray see one of the kids years back as a physician.
But, didn't murray come on the team in MAY '09? He had been Michael's dr. just a MONTH when this happened. I've read that 100 times. I am wondering things like, how long had Michael lived at Carolwood...how long since he'd lived in Vegas, because, how'd he be a regular in the place if he was just hired a month prior to "death". Did they "hang out" concocting this hoax for years...Florida, Vegas, Carolwood....then, goodbye??
I know none of this matters and the jist of the article is that we are hearing positive confirmation that Michael is still sending clues...but, also, this points to Murray being involved with Michael multiple times a week for a much longer time than just May when he was hired. Sounds like he's been on team Michael for a long time, and not just as a cardo doc for the kids.
Rehearsing??
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BTW - it is nice to see the timing the article was posted
2/20/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff
Yes...
2+2+2+1+1+1 = 9
:mrgreen:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
no, I mean only "2", "0" and "1"
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This is awsome the BIG REVEAL ALREADY STARTS ;)
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" because MJ used to RAVE that Dr. Murray was the BEST doctor on EARTH ... " ...to play the role in this hoax film... 8-)
:D
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Grace told....and that's why after he died, the kids would say, "There's no way daddy could have died of a heart attack because Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world."
Please, correct me if I'm wrong: Grace said "the kids WOULD say.." and NOT "the kids DID say. The word 'would' indicates that it's a wish/desire or it is the past tense of will. It's not a confirmation that the kids actually made that statement.
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And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
Being tested the acts of June 25 :?: :lol:
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paula-c wrote:
And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
Being tested the acts of June 25
aaah Any and 911 call was made from a hotel.... 8-)
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Interesting news...that make me very positive.
Michael Jackson, we love you so much!
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/02/19/0216-michael-jackson-conrad-ex-getty-credit.jpg)
Murray has an almost "sad puppy dog" look on his face...like "I'm not the bad guy!".
Michael Jackson's children refused to believe their dad died of a heart attack
Once again, wasn't it a "cardiac arrest" if we're sticking to the official story that Michael is "dead"? And children know best, they know and speak the truth.
paula-c wrote:
And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
Being tested the acts of June 25
aaah Any and 911 call was made from a hotel.... 8-)
Good one paula! Another parallel to the fictitious events of June 25th, 2009.
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So, now Michael met Murray through his security team? I thought it was through AEG? And I wonder what the mysterious leverage the security guard had over Murray.
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"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."
:roll: We shall see...[/quote]
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Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial? Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team. That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team. So MJ is being revealed piece by piece :)
This is from the wikipedia.
Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]
On April 26, 2004, Michael Jackson removed Mark Geragos as his attorney, replacing him with Thomas Mesereau. In a public statement provided by his spokesperson Raymone Bain, Jackson stated, "It is imperative that I have the full attention of those who are representing me. My life is at stake..." suggesting that Geragos may not have had enough time to handle his case because of Geragos' workload.[23] Geragos, for his part, later said he was dismayed to see Jackson climb atop a sport utility vehicle to the cheers of his fans after leaving the Santa Barbara County, California courthouse in January 2004 when he was first arraigned on the initial complaint.[24] Geragos' co-counsel Benjamin Brafman also expressed disapproval of Jackson's actions.[24] "Although [in January] the lawyers explained the behavior as 'Michael being Michael,' " The New York Times reported, "they are said to have privately expressed consternation at the display of frivolity in the face of serious charges."[24]
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Also, Michael would always do complete background checks on anyone who entered his inner circle, which would include hiring a personal physician for his children. If Michael thought for one minute that Murray has never done CPR but yet claimed his specialty was cardiology, Michael would never had brought his kids to that doctor. He was fiercely protective of those children and would do anything for them at all costs and perhaps he is doing "The Greatest Show on Earth" (at all costs) for them. :)
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I find it strange that they keep calling the nanny by her first name, Grace. Generally in a news story you would say Grace Rwaramba to announce her then just call her Rwaramba. That would be the proper way to say it but they just call her Grace... We have someone on here with the screen name Grace.
Grace do you know something we don't know? :D
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Welp, this is a sure sign that Conrad Murray is innocent :)
Btw, when does the 'newbie' title get changed? I'm not a newbie I'm a believer.
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I don’t know about this article. Seems TMZ is releasing too much that goes in Murray’s favor if this is a real trial because I’m still not 100% on this. :? Still some discomfort or me.
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"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."
:roll: We shall see...
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Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial? Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team. That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team. So MJ is being revealed piece by piece :)
This is from the wikipedia.
Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]
On April 26, 2004, Michael Jackson removed Mark Geragos as his attorney, replacing him with Thomas Mesereau. In a public statement provided by his spokesperson Raymone Bain, Jackson stated, "It is imperative that I have the full attention of those who are representing me. My life is at stake..." suggesting that Geragos may not have had enough time to handle his case because of Geragos' workload.[23] Geragos, for his part, later said he was dismayed to see Jackson climb atop a sport utility vehicle to the cheers of his fans after leaving the Santa Barbara County, California courthouse in January 2004 when he was first arraigned on the initial complaint.[24] Geragos' co-counsel Benjamin Brafman also expressed disapproval of Jackson's actions.[24] "Although [in January] the lawyers explained the behavior as 'Michael being Michael,' " The New York Times reported, "they are said to have privately expressed consternation at the display of frivolity in the face of serious charges."[24]
My point is that it is NOT a personal conflict. There is a separate thread on this where I explained why. It's just going to delay the trial if the judge doesnt dismiss this objection as inadmissible. Which he should by all means because it's total nonsense.
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Los Angeles (CNN) -- Dr. Conrad Murray, whose involuntary manslaughter trial starts next month, has hired a new lawyer for his legal team.
Los Angeles lawyer Nareg Gourjian will assist lawyers Ed Chernoff and J. Michael Flanagan in defending Murray, who is charged in pop star Michael Jackson's death.
A document filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Monday said Gourjian is replacing Joseph Low, who is leaving the Murray defense team.
Gourjian is a former of associate of Mark Geragos, a lawyer known for high-profile criminal cases. He helped Geragos with those cases, including Chris Brown's domestic violence charge and the trial of Scott Peterson, who was convicted of killing his wife.
Gourjian currently represents Joe Finley, an "America's Got Talent" prospect whose wife was found dead last fall at a Los Angeles hotel.
Murray is accused of killing Michael Jackson in June of 2009 with an overdose of the anesthetic propofol.
The defense lawyers and prosecution will meet for a hearing Tuesday to discuss discovery motions and other issues as they prepare for the start of jury selection on March 24.
Judge Michael Pastor ruled last week that the trial can be televised.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/14 (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/14) ... index.html
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Possible conflict of interest delays new lawyer for Dr. MurrayBy Alan Duke, CNNFebruary 15, 2011 5:50 p.m. EST
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Murray wants lawyer Nareg Gourjian to join his defense team
Gourjian's old firm says he worked on Michael Jackson's criminal defense
The judge will decide if there is a conflict of interest
Gourjian says he was too busy with Scott Peterson to work for Jackson
Los Angeles (CNN) -- The judge delayed a decision on allowing a new lawyer to join Dr. Conrad Murray's defense team until he can determine if there is a conflict of interest.
The lawyer, Nareg Gourjian, had worked on Michael Jackson's child molestation defense.
Murray, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson, wants Gourjian to replace Joseph Low, who left the defense team earlier this month.
Gourjian's former law firm, headed by lawyer Mark Geragos, raised the possible conflict of interest before Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor at a hearing Tuesday.
"We have a great amount of respect for Mr. Gourjian, but it is our duty to disclose his participation in our past representation for Mr. Jackson," Geragos and Geragos attorney Pat Harris said.
The Geragos firm represented Jackson for two years starting in 2003, when he was charged with child molestation. Jackson replaced Geragos with Thomas Mesereau in 2004, saying he wanted an attorney who would devote his full time to his case.
Geragos was also defending Scott Peterson, who was charged with murdering his wife, at the same time.
Gourjian told the judge he was "in no way inolved" in the Jackson case because he was "a brand-new lawyer" busy working on the Scott Peterson murder case at the time.
The decision rests on if Gourjian's work for Jackson was "substantially related" to the current case and if his work for the defense would require "Gourjian to attempt to discredit his former client directly or indirectly," Pastor said.
The judge delayed a decision until more facts are provided by Geragos and there is a response from the lawyer for Michael Jackson's estate.
Mark Geragos will be asked to appear at the next hearing on February 24, the judge said.
Murray is also represented by Houston lawyer Ed Chernoff and J. Michael Flanagan of Los Angeles.
The defense demanded a speedy trial at last month's arraignment, the trial to start by the end of March. Jury selection is now set for March 24.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/15/cal ... index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/15/california.conrad.murray.hearing/index.html)
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And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
Being tested the acts of June 25 :?: :lol:
1) The first information TMZ distributed was:
Michael Jackson -- Cardiac Arrest
6/25/2009 1:30 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
UPDATE -- Michael Jackson passed away today at the age of 50.
Click here for the latest.
We've just learned Michael Jackson was taken by ambulance to a hospital in Los Angeles ... and we're told it was cardiac arrest and that paramedics administered CPR in the ambulance ... and it's looking bad.
He was picked up at his home around 20 minutes ago -- we're told his mother is on the way to visit him.
UPDATE: The 911 call came in at 12:21PM at his Holmby Hills home in L.A.
UPDATE: A Jackson family member tells TMZ Michael is in "really bad shape" and the brothers are headed to UCLA.
UPDATE: We just got off the phone with Joe Jackson, Michael's dad, who says "he is not doing well."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-rushed-to-the-hospital/
Content of this article is likely to have been changed over the months, but NOT the PASSING.
A link is directed to the "DIES" conclusive article - why adding so much drama in present tense btw?:
Michael Jackson Dies
6/25/2009 2:20 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/
2) Grace claims to have been with the family in Florida. (Who was with his family in FL?)
3) The kids are said to have called 911. (They know.)
We have again:
1) twisting words + present tense mixed up with past tense -
the "time theme / sleep theme" is on again
2) the family theme
3) the 911 theme.
We are currently missing the
4) child support theme
5) bad theme
6) burn theme
7) change theme.
Watch for the next TMZ articles...
And then:
Some cultural tenets associated with rave culture are:
* "Peace"
* "Love"
* "Unity"
* "Respect"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rave
(That makes me remember my best rave ever which took place in a huge garage somewhere near Redwood, hahaha, we were dancing on top of the roofs of some Chevys from the 50s and God knows I even learned that night how to sleep for some minutes in that heat... :lol: )
Michael, you rock more than ever... hope you're having a good rave right now...
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MJ's Kids -- Murray Couldn't Have Killed Our Dad... because he's alive and we talk to him all the time :D
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"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."
:roll: We shall see...
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Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial? Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team. That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team. So MJ is being revealed piece by piece :)
This is from the wikipedia.
Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]
My point is that it is NOT a personal conflict. There is a separate thread on this where I explained why. It's just going to delay the trial if the judge doesnt dismiss this objection as inadmissible. Which he should by all means because it's total nonsense.
Of course it is not a personal conflict, and it is total nonsense. Law firms can put up firewalls if there is a conflict.... and any legal person would know what I mean by this.
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"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."
:roll: We shall see...
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Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial? Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team. That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team. So MJ is being revealed piece by piece :)
This is from the wikipedia.
Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]
My point is that it is NOT a personal conflict. There is a separate thread on this where I explained why. It's just going to delay the trial if the judge doesnt dismiss this objection as inadmissible. Which he should by all means because it's total nonsense.
Of course it is not a personal conflict, and it is total nonsense. Law firms can put up firewalls if there is a conflict.... and any legal person would know what I mean by this.
Here is one :)
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/02/19/0216-michael-jackson-conrad-ex-getty-credit.jpg)
Murray has an almost "sad puppy dog" look on his face...like "I'm not the bad guy!".
Michael Jackson's children refused to believe their dad died of a heart attack
Once again, wasn't it a "cardiac arrest" if we're sticking to the official story that Michael is "dead"? And children know best, they know and speak the truth.
paula-c wrote:
And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
Being tested the acts of June 25
aaah Any and 911 call was made from a hotel.... 8-)
Good one paula! Another parallel to the fictitious events of June 25th, 2009.
I think this picture is how Michael was feeling when he was going through his trial. I believe that some of these pictures represent the parallels of how Michael was feeling at the time, especially the comparison pictures.
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"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."
:roll: We shall see...
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Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial? Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team. That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team. So MJ is being revealed piece by piece :)
This is from the wikipedia.
Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]
My point is that it is NOT a personal conflict. There is a separate thread on this where I explained why. It's just going to delay the trial if the judge doesnt dismiss this objection as inadmissible. Which he should by all means because it's total nonsense.
Of course it is not a personal conflict, and it is total nonsense. Law firms can put up firewalls if there is a conflict.... and any legal person would know what I mean by this.
Here is one :)
Yes, coming from the two of you who work in that field, I will believe you. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us! Blessings.
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"Oh, but the prosecution team isnt staying behind...their recent story about Murray's new lawyer having a personal conflict is a hoax in itself."
:roll: We shall see...
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Didn't Mike initially retain Mark Geragos as his attorney during the 2003 trial? Then because of another case (I believe) Geragos was working on (I think it was the Scott Peterson case) he had to leave the team. That is when Tom Mesereau joined the team. So MJ is being revealed piece by piece :)
This is from the wikipedia.
Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson In the early stages of the Michael Jackson molestation case, Geragos handled that case as well as Scott Peterson's death penalty case simultaneously. Though he managed a busy workload since he began working as a lawyer, during this time, he was handling two of the United States's best-known cases. Geragos's "...crushingly busy calendar" in the courtroom earned him a rebuke by a judge in an embezzlement case Geragos was also trying.[22]
My point is that it is NOT a personal conflict. There is a separate thread on this where I explained why. It's just going to delay the trial if the judge doesnt dismiss this objection as inadmissible. Which he should by all means because it's total nonsense.
Of course it is not a personal conflict, and it is total nonsense. Law firms can put up firewalls if there is a conflict.... and any legal person would know what I mean by this.
Here is one :)
Yes, coming from the two of you who work in that field, I will believe you. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us! Blessings.
Always happy to share my knowledge ;) I'm just waiting for the moment when even "ordinary" people (not lawyers, not hoaxers, not even fans, just anyone and everyone) will start to notice all these oddities that are slowly turning into unprecedented absurdities that just make you question your own sanity because you can't believe your eyes and ears LOLL.
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So we know for some odd reason Michael had Murray see one of the kids years back as a physician.
But, didn't murray come on the team in MAY '09? He had been Michael's dr. just a MONTH when this happened. I've read that 100 times. I am wondering things like, how long had Michael lived at Carolwood...how long since he'd lived in Vegas, because, how'd he be a regular in the place if he was just hired a month prior to "death". Did they "hang out" concocting this hoax for years...Florida, Vegas, Carolwood....then, goodbye??
I know none of this matters and the jist of the article is that we are hearing positive confirmation that Michael is still sending clues...but, also, this points to Murray being involved with Michael multiple times a week for a much longer time than just May when he was hired. Sounds like he's been on team Michael for a long time, and not just as a cardo doc for the kids.
Rehearsing??
AHH! Good point! Something new to consider. 8-)
All that time rehearsing and planning what would go down! This would make sense!!
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MJ's former nanny, Grace Rwaramba, spoke with LAPD investigators in the months after Michael died ... and explained how Murray became a "regular" around the house when the singer lived in Vegas ... coming by at least two times a week.
This is the part that is strange to me. Murray was a "regular" around the house. Yet in his video he does not express sorrow that his friend, Michael, is "dead". He does not express his condolances to Michael's family. Murray only uses this worldwide platform to let his patients know he will be "fine" and the "troot will prevail." This seems rather cold and crass to me!
[youtube:1lfahqw4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bjDWRJx9I[/youtube:1lfahqw4]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bjDWRJx9I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bjDWRJx9I)
Also, if Murray was a "regular" around the house, wouldn't Miko Brando have known him? Miko Brando says he was essentially Michael's "go to guy", his right hand man, (Miko has been around Michael since before the Pepsi fire incident!) and yet in this video Miko says he never met Dr. Murray. Listen from 7:49 to 8:25.
[youtube:1lfahqw4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIoxTrKP84[/youtube:1lfahqw4]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIoxTrKP84 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIoxTrKP84)
I wondered if Kenny Ortega had met Dr. Murray before the day that Murray got mad at Kenny for sending Michael home from rehearsal early according to this source: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... eath-.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/01/choreographer-kenny-ortega-michael-jackson-too-weak-to-perform-just-before-death-.html)
According to http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... =36&page=4 (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6881309.ece?token=null&offset=36&page=4)
"Ask if Dr Conrad Murray was a regular presence on the set, and Ortega replies that he only met him “a couple of times. I had a couple of conversations with him. He was Michael’s personal choice doctor, and was his daily physician as I understand it. And was doing everything in his…” Ortega falters, as if he’s mindful of the ongoing legal situation. “He was helping Michael stay nourished and healthy and, you know, looking after him.”
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(http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/photo-3-500x334.jpg)
this photo is from 2005, trials.... WHITE
innocent? Murray?
credits: Milena
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/ ... 1&start=20 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=14021&start=20)
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What I find interesting about this is that the bodyguards just posted something on facebook a week or so ago, asking people how they thought Michael met Murray. This article claims that one of the bodyguards is the one who hooked them up. Those three guys have also said that they were the only bodyguards/security that Michael had while living in Vegas, so if the article is true on that statement, then the bodyguards already knew exactly how Michael met Murray. Hmmm...
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If Michael said this to the children, it is because he trusted Murray. It seems that Mrs. Katherine also sympathizes with this doctor, she never accused of anything! Murray even said he loved her as a mother.
This shows that the Jacksons can be friends with Murray for a long time, especially if he lived in Las Vegas and Michael went there very frequently.
What Grace said, about the time he was in the house does not make much sense. She was not fired in the beginning of 2009? And so we know Michael Murray was just one month, then ... someone is lying here! As always!
Anyway, this seems like a good news. The trial is approaching, and it seems the truth is slowly coming out!
Paris already said long ago, she did not think was to blame for Murray, but the AEG that was exploring Michael.
I don't have a link to this news, but I remember hearing it somewhere!
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Fasten seat belts, hold on tight, the ride is now beginning. This hoax is going to come out one way or another. I am enjoying this adventure. :mrgreen:
[youtube:3i43m5y0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIoxTrKP84[/youtube:3i43m5y0]
On a side note in this video Lou is talking about how he was training Michael and he says something very interesting. Listen at around the 1:42 mark. He says "And you wanna be conditioned as possible especially at the age of 51." Really? Mike supposedly died at the age of 50 but yet Lou says "especially at the age of 51." Not dead clue again. Thanks Lou.
Peace
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Fasten seat belts, hold on tight, the ride is now beginning. This hoax is going to come out one way or another. I am enjoying this adventure. :mrgreen:
[youtube:2cq1qh5p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIoxTrKP84[/youtube:2cq1qh5p]
On a side note in this video Lou is talking about how he was training Michael and he says something very interesting. Listen at around the 1:42 mark. He says "And you wanna be conditioned as possible especially at the age of 51." Really? Mike supposedly died at the age of 50 but yet Lou says "especially at the age of 51." Not dead clue again. Thanks Lou.
Peace
This need not necessarily be important. Michael had nearly 51 years ...
I'll do 28 years in April and others have referred as if I had already completed 28. This is common!
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Hey if this is true I will believe MJ's kids before adults anyday. Kids are usually honest for the most part and they have nothing to gain from lying. This sounds like it could be a good thing to me.
I agree with you 100%, unless they were coached what to say. Remember, if Michael wants the children to say he was an alien ( example) they would obey the order. Now this is the time to come out with the truth, Murray cannot go to jail since Michael is alive and will be back. Part of the plan right??? ;)
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What I find interesting about this is that the bodyguards just posted something on facebook a week or so ago, asking people how they thought Michael met Murray. This article claims that one of the bodyguards is the one who hooked them up. Those three guys have also said that they were the only bodyguards/security that Michael had while living in Vegas, so if the article is true on that statement, then the bodyguards already knew exactly how Michael met Murray. Hmmm...
Now, that is interesting.
I wonder if they were trying to scope the fans knowledge and see if they were busted yet?
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Fasten seat belts, hold on tight, the ride is now beginning. This hoax is going to come out one way or another. I am enjoying this adventure. :mrgreen:
[youtube:2d2mbpca]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIoxTrKP84[/youtube:2d2mbpca]
On a side note in this video Lou is talking about how he was training Michael and he says something very interesting. Listen at around the 1:42 mark. He says "And you wanna be conditioned as possible especially at the age of 51." Really? Mike supposedly died at the age of 50 but yet Lou says "especially at the age of 51." Not dead clue again. Thanks Lou.
Peace
This need not necessarily be important. Michael had nearly 51 years ...
I'll do 28 years in April and others have referred as if I had already completed 28. This is common!
How about I throw in he (Lou) said "especially being 51 NOW". ;)
Peace
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Of course their busted hahaha
from day 1...
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If they were together so much you would have thought there would be a photo of them together at some time
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I read along time ago that one of the body guards introduced Murry to Michael.
Actually I think it was said on the Today show interview.
What I found interesting is what Grace said about the Hotel room in Florida.
Since he was always going there anyway...it does not surprise me....and he did have some serious health issues that cannot be disputed.
So he could have been unconscious for a number of reasons.
However, the family finally started talking about knowing he had a drug problem.
SOoooOOooo.
BTW....I guess you all know that after Michael fired Grace -who had worked for him and the Jackson's at Mjjc for 17 years.
After he died or pretended to die or whatEVER....the kids wanted her back and Katherine got her there ...the last time I heard she is still there.
Too bad Aljeeera is too. :mrgreen:
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If they were together so much you would have thought there would be a photo of them together at some time
That's what I was thinking too...
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mumof3 wrote:
If they were together so much you would have thought there would be a photo of them together at some time
who?
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MJ's former nanny, Grace Rwaramba, spoke with LAPD investigators in the months after Michael died ... and explained how Murray became a "regular" around the house when the singer lived in Vegas ... coming by at least two times a week.
And as is that which TMZ knows what she declares to the police.... :?:
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MJ's former nanny, Grace Rwaramba, spoke with LAPD investigators in the months after Michael died ... and explained how Murray became a "regular" around the house when the singer lived in Vegas ... coming by at least two times a week.
And as is that which TMZ knows what she declares to the police.... :?:
Exactly, as I said, there must be an official record of this or else it's just another hearsay with no value for either side.
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Maybe the security guard's or Grace will be called as witnesses...heh.
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mumof3 wrote:
If they were together so much you would have thought there would be a photo of them together at some time
who?
Sorry I was meaning Michael and Murray there is not photo that i am aware of of both of them, if they were together so much i would have thought there would be one photo at least
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Ohhhh...gotcha..
I think i have seen a photo or youtube of Murray and MJ at the staples center?
Somewhere...after all of these months of looking I get blurry on the details.lol
Anyway it was vague...not like they were posing together or anything.
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paula-c wrote:
And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
Being tested the acts of June 25
aaah Any and 911 call was made from a hotel....
TS wrote:
4-23. The 911 Call Was at 12:21
Whether you think MJ really died, or it’s all a hoax, everyone recognizes that the whole thing kicked off with a 911 phone call placed at 12:21 PM on 6-25-09. However, all the other timing was planned: death 77 days until 9-9-09; memorial on 7-7 (full moon), and 7 years from will; burial 7 days from 9-9-09 (and essentially full moon), etc. So is it possible that the timing of the 911 call was also planned? Yes, there are several ways to show that 12:21 was planned.
First, the call was received at exactly 12:21, and 4 seconds; you can see this in the centre of the computer screen {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=254; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson)}. You can be sure that emergency facilities have their time very accurate, down to the second. Also, most cell phones today have very accurate time set automatically; so it was easy for the 911 caller to know the exact time.
With most phones, you can preset a speed dial (such as 911) with one button; so it would only take a second or two to place the call. Then the 911 operator would answer immediately, as soon as the call comes through. So if the caller was waiting for the right time to make the call, 12:21—and then pushed the speed dial button—about 4 seconds into the minute is what we would expect, for when the 911 operator would receive the call.
This does not mean that the exact second was planned; it would be difficult to get the call through on a specific second. However, the exact minute was planned; and as soon as the planned minute arrived, the call was placed.
This explains why the 911 call was not made earlier. If it had been a real emergency, obviously there would’ve been no hesitation or waiting until 12:21 to make the call; but since this was all planned, down to the minute, nobody was put in danger by waiting until 12:21 to place the 911 call.
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4-24. Was the “Death” Time (2:26) Also Planned?
Quite obviously, the exact minute of the 911 call was planned. Could it be, then, that the exact minute of the “death” (2:26 PM) was also planned? Once you realize that MJ has been planning this for decades (see 4-27): you should not be too surprised to find that yes, the exact minute of the death was part of the plan (by the way, the redirect about 12:21 and 2:26 was done on 2-26).
8-)
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"Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world." Reminds me of Paris' speech. Our daddy is the best father in the whole world :D
Exactly and plus: THIS IS THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH! ;) Murray Couldn't Have Killed their Dad because he is a friend and was helping him out. :D
Haha..they're spoon-feeding the hoax to the public.
First stage: Murray couldn't have killed our Dad.
Second stage: Nobody could have killed our Dad.
Third, and last stage: If nobody killed the Dad...the Dad is ALIVE!
Exactly! :lol: And fourth stage: MJ BAMS! :D
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BTW - it is nice to see the timing the article was posted
2/20/2011 1:00 AM PST by TMZ Staff
Hmmm....Good observation Forest! ;) :D
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"Grace offered no further explanation about the mysterious leverage.
And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place."
Is leverrage about the different names used instead of MJ to get medications for Michael? I guess so.
What Florida trip, when, is this 911 call about June 25,2009?
So, kids and Michael were in Florida when MJ "died"in 06/25/09 at Carolwood Drive in Los Angeles house and 911 call was made from the Florida hotel but it is unclear when incident (death) took place. Is that it? :shock: :shock: :shock:
This is mandarin, not English; really bomshell........ unless I am missing something.
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Here's another view of Grace in Time online depicting her as someone who was so loyal to Michael that she would never share any information about him in public.
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1911880,00.html
The Michael Jackson Case: The Return of the Nanny
By Bryan Alexander / Los Angeles Wednesday, Jul. 22, 2009
An enigmatic woman in Michael Jackson's inner circle is re-emerging just as the battle over the guardianship and paternity of his kids continues. Grace Rwaramba — the Rwandan nanny of Prince Michael I, 12; Paris Michael Katherine, 11; and Prince Michael II (known as Blanket), 7 — is the woman Jackson insiders describe as the most maternal personality the children have known. She left Jackson's employ, perhaps dismissed, last year but is now staging a comeback that may be key to the fate of the three young Jacksons. Indeed, her return to the side of the children — and the Jackson clan — may reinforce, at least in the public eye, the family's claim to being the best guarantors of the children's well-being.
Rwaramba worked for Jackson for 17 years, first as his secretary and then, after the children arrived, as their nanny. According to sources, Rwaramba is resuming the work she did throughout the children's lives. Her job ended abruptly in 2008 when she was allegedly fired by Jackson for yet-established reasons. Since his death, however, sources say Rwaramba has resumed child-caring duties at the Jackson clan's Encino, Calif., compound and was seen taking the children to Jehovah's Witness classes.
Introduced to Jackson by his friend Deepak Chopra, Rwaramba was such a constant in the singer's life that there were even rumors that they were secretly married. But according to documents filed in Nevada's Clark County, she was married to her first husband during the majority of her employment with Jackson and married her second husband, Joseph Kisembo, in December 2008. There were other, almost Svengali-like rumors. "I hear some odd things about her — this woman in the background with all of this power, flexing her muscles," says former Jackson spiritual adviser Firpo Carr. "That's not the Grace I know. Unless she has this other secret life I don't know about," says Carr. "She is one of the humblest people I have been around."
Others are sensitive to the pivotal position Rwaramba occupied in Jackson's life. "You have to be aware of the most powerful nanny in the universe," says a former Jackson confidant. "She was the gatekeeper for Michael, and she wielded that power. She absolutely did."
Her influence on the children was undeniable. "Grace was like the mother, and Michael was the father," says Jackson friend and filmmaker Bryan Michael Stoller, who often visited Neverland. "The only person I saw get close to the kids besides Michael was Grace." Rwaramba returned at their time of crisis. The actor Mark Lester, star of the movie musical Oliver! and godfather to Jackson's children, spoke to her soon after the singer's sudden death and describes her as "shocked and grief stricken." Still, Lester tells TIME, "she's a very strong person, and she's a tower of strength for the children. She is the closest thing to a mother that they have ever experienced." While not sure if her return is permanent, he adds, "Right now, it's important they have some continuity."
Carr says some of the talk about Grace came about as a result of her loyal silence about Jackson. In a world where former friends and employees often sold their version of life with Jackson to the highest tabloid bidder, Rwaramba maintained her secrets.
There was therefore disbelief at a story that appeared shortly after Jackson's June 25 death. Britain's Sunday Times wrote a piece quoting Rwaramba allegedly giving explosive details about Jackson's drug use. The story cited her attempts to curb his addiction as the reason she was let go. "I had to pump his stomach many times. He always mixed so much of it," the paper quoted Rwaramba as saying. "There was one period that it was so bad that I didn't let the children see him ... He always ate too little and mixed too much." Rwaramba quickly put out a statement disavowing the piece: "I don't even know how to pump a stomach." She said she had never spoken to the Sunday Times: "The statements attributed to me confirm the worst in human tendencies to sensationalize tragedy and smear reputations for profit."
The incident did little to damage her relationship with the family. The next day, Joe Jackson, the star's father, publicly called Rwaramba "a good friend of the family and to the kids," going so far as to say a more permanent role in their lives was under consideration. Rwaramba was also given prime position in the official Michael Jackson souvenir book at the lavish public memorial. "Thank you for entrusting me with your precious children, my love for them will never waver," she wrote in its final solo entry.
"She is totally dedicated to the children and will do whatever it takes to make the children happy," Chopra tells TIME. "She will play a large part in those children's lives," says Carr. Her work may be key as details of Jackson's alleged drug use emerge. Addiction specialist Dr. Drew Pinksy tells TIME that children of addicted parents frequently suffer from a sense of abandonment, but the caring, "emotionally available" support that Jackson set up could provide a "life-saving link that might help these children stay healthy. I'm praying for the status quo for these kids." In the eyes of many Jackson watchers, Rwaramba is that status quo.
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I think now is a good time to believe more than ever.
This trial is slowly going down the drain one drip at a time.
BAM!!
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OK, so according to this article, MJ's children KNOW how to place a call to 911 because on one occasion they DID just that - called 911 from the hotel on their trip to Florida. If one of his children witnessed the so-called events on the afternoon of 6/25/09; one would think the child would have called 911 on that date as well???
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OK, so according to this article, MJ's children KNOW how to place a call to 911 because on one occasion they DID just that - called 911 from the hotel on their trip to Florida. If one of his children witnessed the so-called events on the afternoon of 6/25/09; one would think the child would have called 911 on that date as well???
thanks, so the trip to Florida had happened some other day before June 25,2009. Now it is clear. TMZ has started to speak tagalog for some reason. Speak English Harvey!
Exactly, that is what I was always surprised too; how come no one besides Murray could call 911?
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OK, so according to this article, MJ's children KNOW how to place a call to 911 because on one occasion they DID just that - called 911 from the hotel on their trip to Florida. If one of his children witnessed the so-called events on the afternoon of 6/25/09; one would think the child would have called 911 on that date as well???
No access to a telephone....remember there were no landlines or so it is said.
thanks, so the trip to Florida had happened some other day before June 25,2009. Now it is clear. TMZ has started to speak tagalog for some reason. Speak English Harvey!
Exactly, that is what I was always surprised too; how come no one besides Murray could call 911?
MJ used to go to Florida quite a bit...he had so called friends there....Brett Ratner, Al Malnik, [maybe some not user friends too] took the kids to Disneyland....and he also took those horrid Avrizo kids that brought yet more pretend child molestation charges against him.
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Yes I live here in Orlando and MJ rented a Mansion in Isles Worth (were tigger woods lived) for 4 days....he wanted the people whom he rented the place from to keep it hush hush he was there but then gets on top of the roof and starts to wave to people on the lake whom were in their boats.....then the news choppers were there and MJ was all over the news :? Don't know why he did that :lol:
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Yes I live here in Orlando and MJ rented a Mansion in Isles Worth (were tigger woods lived) for 4 days....he wanted the people whom he rented the place from to keep it hush hush he was there but then gets on top of the roof and starts to wave to people on the lake whom were in their boats.....the the news choppers were there and MJ was all over the news :? Don't know why he did that :lol:
:lol:
That's cute. Maybe he didn't want anyone saying he would be there so he could be the one. Just like how he'll decide when he returns, it'll be on his cue.
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Whom knows when it comes to this man :lol: :D
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Oh, btw, Murray was a regular around the house. OK. But he didnt know the address of the compound? YEAH RIGHT!
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Yes I live here in Orlando and MJ rented a Mansion in Isles Worth (were tigger woods lived) for 4 days....he wanted the people whom he rented the place from to keep it hush hush he was there but then gets on top of the roof and starts to wave to people on the lake whom were in their boats.....then the news choppers were there and MJ was all over the news :? Don't know why he did that :lol:
lmao! TOO FUNNY!
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Oh, btw, Murray was a regular around the house. OK. But he didnt know the address of the compound? YEAH RIGHT!
Maybe he relied on his GPS in his beemer to get there. ; )
Actually that really does not shock me...the way I am I just
go where it is...I don't need the address.
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Los Angeles, Feb 20 (IANS) Michael Jackson's children refuse to believe that their father died of a heart attack because he used to say his doctor, Conrad Murray, was the best on earth, says a report.
MJ's former nanny, Grace Rwaramba, spoke with LAPD investigators in the months after Michael died and explained how Murray became a 'regular around the house when the singer lived in Vegas ... coming by at least two times a week,' TMZ.com reports.
Grace told investigators Michael would constantly brag about Murray in front of the kids and that's why after he died, the kids would say: 'There's no way daddy could have died of a heart attack because Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world.'
Grace also said Michael first met Murray through a member of MJ's security team and explained MJ felt he could trust Murray, because the security guy claimed he had some sort of mysterious leverage over the doctor.
She offered no further explanation about the mysterious leverage, but said that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ 'passed out' in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.
http://www.sify.com/news/jackson-s-kids ... caejd.html (http://www.sify.com/news/jackson-s-kids-don-t-believe-murray-could-ve-killed-their-dad-news-international-lcutuhcaejd.html)
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I find it interesting that Murray loves Katherine like his own mother, loves his own patients and kisses them, and was supposedly a "regular" coming to visit MJ's house so he would have gotten to know the kids well also. Yet he has not one shred of sadness at Michael's death and sympathy for the family. Close behind him are his patients and church who also seem to care less about MJ's death--MJ who has brought so much recognition and pride to black Americans.
It's either a mind-bender or it's a hoax.
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I think that Grace R. is a good source to get to know MJ and how his life was, also his habits and/ or "adictions". Grace was/ is the nanny of those kids, like their mother almost and also traveled with Michael. She should make good witness.
Did we see her at the memorial or funeral?
Grace R. Is a key piece and no one seems to put her on the spot light.
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Oh, btw, Murray was a regular around the house. OK. But he didnt know the address of the compound? YEAH RIGHT!
He did not know the address and on top of that he did not know how to perform CPR.. :lol:
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CHECK OUT THIS ARTICLE ABOUT THE SAME ISSUE
http://www.hecklerspray.com/michael-jacksons-children-defend-conrad-murray-leaving-fans-wondering-who-to-blame/201156546.php
Michael Jackson’s Children Defend Conrad Murray, Leaving Fans Wondering Who To Blame
by Mof Gimmers on February 21, 2011 0 Comments
in Celebrity Gossip,Music News,News
Boooo! Hissss! Conrad Murray! He’s a rotten sod who killed Michael Jackson by being hopeless! He probably liked Prince’s records better! Boooo! What a stinkin’ rotter! And that’s what 99% of Michael Jackson devotees have spent their time shouting for the past 12 months.
Most MJ fans have all this worked out already so they must be wondering why the US legal system is persevering with such an expensive case like the one starting to unfurl around the cadaver of Michael Jackson.
Of course, everyone who actually knew Michael and saw him in person, spoke to him on the phone and kept regular correspondence with him – no, that doesn’t include trying to pick out hidden messages in his songs or vivid delusions and apparitions appearing in your room – don’t have a sausage when it comes to knowing what happened that night… but that’s okay because MJ fans know exactly what happened thanks to things they’ve read online. But wait! Jackson’s children have something to say!
Naturally, we should listen to Michael Jackson’s children. They were at the house all the time. They have actually met Michael Jackson AND Dr Conrad Murray. They probably said the word ‘propofol’ before we’d even heard about it.
Yesindeedio. People have chided many for showing a lack of respect in the face of these grieving children, so it really is only fair for us to let them have their say.
And apparently, Dr. Conrad Murray is doing cartwheels around his My First CPR books, as Michael Jackson’s children have stepped up to defend him, which is very handy as people are accusing him of killing their father.
Jacko’s kids refuse to believe that their father died due to a heart attack. and don’t believe that Michael passed away at the hands of Murray, mainly because of their father’s praise of Murray while under his care.
According to their former nanny, Grace Rwaramba, Murray was a regular fixture in the Jackson household and that Jackson would sing Murray’s praises on how he was such a wonderful doctor.
That’d be Michael Jackson there. Praising Dr Conrad Murray. Mental MJ fans hang on Jackson’s every word, so presumably, they don’t know who to blame and cry at now.
Jackson’s children, all speaking in unison like creepy crypt kids from a horror film, turned around slowly and said:
“There’s no way daddy could have died of a heart attack because Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world.”
However, accidents do happen and while Murray may have been boss at looking after Jackson, there’s a chance that he may have tried to administer propofol into Jackson on his last day on Earth via a bright yellow JCB, trying to scoop open The King Of Pop’s vein and fire medicine from a pea-shooter while hanging out of the window.
We just don’t know.
And neither do you. We’re all treading water ’til the court-case kicks off and we can all watch it on television while all nearly agreeing that Man In The Mirror has the best key-change in pop history. Well, that or the one in ‘Invisible Touch’ by Genesis is.
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OK, so according to this article, MJ's children KNOW how to place a call to 911 because on one occasion they DID just that - called 911 from the hotel on their trip to Florida. If one of his children witnessed the so-called events on the afternoon of 6/25/09; one would think the child would have called 911 on that date as well???
has anyone wondered if they were ever even there ?
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Yes I live here in Orlando and MJ rented a Mansion in Isles Worth (were tigger woods lived) for 4 days....he wanted the people whom he rented the place from to keep it hush hush he was there but then gets on top of the roof and starts to wave to people on the lake whom were in their boats.....then the news choppers were there and MJ was all over the news :? Don't know why he did that :lol:
Hahaha! That's cute! I love hearing MJ stories like these.
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I find it interesting that Murray loves Katherine like his own mother, loves his own patients and kisses them, and was supposedly a "regular" coming to visit MJ's house so he would have gotten to know the kids well also. Yet he has not one shred of sadness at Michael's death and sympathy for the family. Close behind him are his patients and church who also seem to care less about MJ's death--MJ who has brought so much recognition and pride to black Americans.
It's either a mind-bender or it's a hoax.
I agree with you! ;) I found this video with the same observation...
[youtube:27ywpgpt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm-duMLDwvE&feature=related[/youtube:27ywpgpt]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm-duMLD ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm-duMLDwvE&feature=related)
And here is the video from when Murray went to church - of course it's been edited to show us what they want to show us - but it seems the only victim is Murray, Murray, Murray - at :46 'Dr. Murray sat with a bodyguard and never took his sunglasses off' at 1:04 'he spoke to members of the church for about 5 minutes, never mentioning Michael Jackson by name, but DID talk about his legal problems...'
[youtube:27ywpgpt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-uTGQ&feature=related[/youtube:27ywpgpt]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-u ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-uTGQ&feature=related)
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CHECK OUT THIS ARTICLE ABOUT THE SAME ISSUE
http://www.hecklerspray.com/michael-jacksons-children-defend-conrad-murray-leaving-fans-wondering-who-to-blame/201156546.php
Michael Jackson’s Children Defend Conrad Murray, Leaving Fans Wondering Who To Blame
by Mof Gimmers on February 21, 2011 0 Comments
in Celebrity Gossip,Music News,News
Boooo! Hissss! Conrad Murray! He’s a rotten sod who killed Michael Jackson by being hopeless! He probably liked Prince’s records better! Boooo! What a stinkin’ rotter! And that’s what 99% of Michael Jackson devotees have spent their time shouting for the past 12 months.
Most MJ fans have all this worked out already so they must be wondering why the US legal system is persevering with such an expensive case like the one starting to unfurl around the cadaver of Michael Jackson.
Of course, everyone who actually knew Michael and saw him in person, spoke to him on the phone and kept regular correspondence with him – no, that doesn’t include trying to pick out hidden messages in his songs or vivid delusions and apparitions appearing in your room – don’t have a sausage when it comes to knowing what happened that night… but that’s okay because MJ fans know exactly what happened thanks to things they’ve read online. But wait! Jackson’s children have something to say!
Naturally, we should listen to Michael Jackson’s children. They were at the house all the time. They have actually met Michael Jackson AND Dr Conrad Murray. They probably said the word ‘propofol’ before we’d even heard about it.
Yesindeedio. People have chided many for showing a lack of respect in the face of these grieving children, so it really is only fair for us to let them have their say.
And apparently, Dr. Conrad Murray is doing cartwheels around his My First CPR books, as Michael Jackson’s children have stepped up to defend him, which is very handy as people are accusing him of killing their father.
Jacko’s kids refuse to believe that their father died due to a heart attack. and don’t believe that Michael passed away at the hands of Murray, mainly because of their father’s praise of Murray while under his care.
According to their former nanny, Grace Rwaramba, Murray was a regular fixture in the Jackson household and that Jackson would sing Murray’s praises on how he was such a wonderful doctor.
That’d be Michael Jackson there. Praising Dr Conrad Murray. Mental MJ fans hang on Jackson’s every word, so presumably, they don’t know who to blame and cry at now.
Jackson’s children, all speaking in unison like creepy crypt kids from a horror film, turned around slowly and said:
“There’s no way daddy could have died of a heart attack because Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world.”
However, accidents do happen and while Murray may have been boss at looking after Jackson, there’s a chance that he may have tried to administer propofol into Jackson on his last day on Earth via a bright yellow JCB, trying to scoop open The King Of Pop’s vein and fire medicine from a pea-shooter while hanging out of the window.
We just don’t know.
And neither do you. We’re all treading water ’til the court-case kicks off and we can all watch it on television while all nearly agreeing that Man In The Mirror has the best key-change in pop history. Well, that or the one in ‘Invisible Touch’ by Genesis is.
I like this article, thanks for posting it iLOVEMJBeLIEve. It may be written in a rather bizarre tone and I don't much like the reference to the kids as 'creepy crypt kids from a horror movie', but it's overall feeling is that no-one knows what happened so just wait and see instead of judging and forming opinions based on nothing.
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This is the story and its link for those whom want to check it out :D http://www.thetimeshareauthority.com/20 ... l-jackson/ (http://www.thetimeshareauthority.com/2009/07/03/orlando-timeshare-developer-played-landlord-to-michael-jackson/)
Orlando Timeshare Developer Played Landlord to Michael Jackson
Author: Jason Tremblay
For all the stories coming out now about the life (and death) of music icon Michael Jackson, one of the more intriguing comes from timeshare developer, David Siegel.
Siegel is the founder and CEO of Westgate timeshare and Westgate Vacation Villas, based in Orlando, Florida. Over the years, the theme parks made Orlando a favorite vacation destination for pop king, Michael Jackson, but with his fame and notoriety, he couldn’t exactly enjoy a quiet stay in an Orlando hotel or Orlando timeshare. So he rented private property.
And no residential location in the Orlando area is any more private that the exclusive mansions behind the guarded gates of Isleworth, located in a corner of the Orlando area, in the tiny town of Windermere. In addition to being home to Jacqueline and David Siegel, Isleworth‘s famous residents include Ken Griffey Jr., Shaquille O’Neal, Tiger Woods, and a host of other ultra-wealthy celebrities and business moguls who own homes there. But it was one of the two Isleworth homes of Westgate timeshare’s Siegel that appealed to Jackson most among the cloistered mansions, possibly because it is located on a four-acre private island—and privacy is what Jackson stressed mattered most.
So from time to time, Michael Jackson and his entourage would contact Siegel and request to rent the Siegel family’s little 26,000 square-foot home with its 60-foot heated pool bordered in real gold and its 1700 feet of shoreline along the pristine freshwater of the Butler Chain of Lakes. With every Orlando visit, there was always the caveat that Siegel was to tell no one about Jackson’s presence, and for the weekly rental rate of $15,000, Siegel had plenty of motivation to honor the pop star’s request.
Which is why David Siegel found it so amazing, that after all the pledges of secrecy, soon after arriving at the Florida retreat, Jackson would be spotted on the roof of the home. As Siegel explained to FOX News Orlando, “He said he’ll take it under the condition that nobody knows he’s here. I didn’t tell anybody. He moves in. Within a day, he’s up on top of the house waving at boaters!”
How long do you think it takes, in Orlando, Florida, already known as Hollywood East because of the movie production and music recording industry based there, for paparazzi to identify the King of Pop standing on the widow’s walk of a two-story mansion, waiving one gloved hand to the recreational boaters just off shore?
And if you are thinking about enjoying the sunny weather, theme parks, and sparking lakes of Orlando and Central Florida yourself, but you are not planning on renting a private mansion, here are links to beautiful Westgate timeshares you can enjoy for a lot less money … but wherever you go, stay off the roof.
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(http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/photo-3-500x334.jpg)
this photo is from 2005, trials.... WHITE
innocent? Murray?
credits: Milena
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/ ... 1&start=20 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=14021&start=20)
Good point
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Oh my so the article that I posted above yesturday I just had lunch with a friend whom is an exc chef for Victoria Elberts in Disney and said he also does some private cooking for this big timeshare owner whom MJ knew. We'll My friend Tom was at the home around this time period cooking for the mans wife I think he called her Betty, anyway she had came into the kitchen and asked him would you like to meet Michael Jackson he just stoppped by to see us with the kids? Tom said sure (its a once in a life time opportunity) he said the kids were running around playing and MJ was on a piano playing and singing. Mike got up and shook his hand they exchanged a few words. Tom said Mike was very reserved kinda hesitent in wanting to interact with him, Tom said if I saw him outside the way he looked I would not know it was him! I said hmmmm why? He said he was camaflarged from head to toe! I said really??? Inside the mansion? He said yes. The wife also told Tom that he would just stop by unannouced all the time. I just thought that it was a neat story and wanted to share with you and also interesting that MJ would wear things in homes which were prob not fun to wear to hide his look. :D
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Oh my so the article that I posted above yesturday I just had lunch with a friend whom is an exc chef for Victoria Elberts in Disney and said he also does some private cooking for this big timeshare owner whom MJ knew. We'll My friend Tom was at the home around this time period cooking for the mans wife I think he called her Betty, anyway she had came into the kitchen and asked him would you like to meet Michael Jackson he just stoppped by to see us with the kids? Tom said sure (its a once in a life time opportunity) he said the kids were running around playing and MJ was on a piano playing and singing. Mike got up and shook his hand they exchanged a few words. Tom said Mike was very reserved kinda hesitent in wanting to interact with him, Tom said if I saw him outside the way he looked I would not know it was him! I said hmmmm why? He said he was camaflarged from head to toe! I said really??? Inside the mansion? He said yes. The wife also told Tom that he would just stop by unannouced all the time. I just thought that it was a neat story and wanted to share with you and also interesting that MJ would wear things in homes which were prob not fun to wear to hide his look. :D
Thank you for sharing this.. Nice to know someone who saw Michael..
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Yes very neat, Tom was interested in the fact that a lot of us think he's still alive. He was asking me questions about how do you think he would keep all these people quiet ect. It was nice to hear the story felt at little more closer to Mike for a moment :D
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This is the 5th person I have meet or known that has met MJ....darn I was so close :lol: Maybe one day :D
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Oh, btw, Murray was a regular around the house. OK. But he didnt know the address of the compound? YEAH RIGHT!
He did not know the address and on top of that he did not know how to perform CPR.. :lol:
What about the DAMN cell phone that he couldn't keep his damn hands off from???? Oh crap, I'm making him sound guilty....geez...we get caught up in this don't we??? After all, he did he didn't do, don't matter, it's a show :))))))
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Yes I live here in Orlando and MJ rented a Mansion in Isles Worth (were tigger woods lived) for 4 days....he wanted the people whom he rented the place from to keep it hush hush he was there but then gets on top of the roof and starts to wave to people on the lake whom were in their boats.....then the news choppers were there and MJ was all over the news :? Don't know why he did that :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Amazing. Thank you for sharing this. :)
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Yes I live here in Orlando and MJ rented a Mansion in Isles Worth (were tigger woods lived) for 4 days....he wanted the people whom he rented the place from to keep it hush hush he was there but then gets on top of the roof and starts to wave to people on the lake whom were in their boats.....then the news choppers were there and MJ was all over the news :? Don't know why he did that :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Amazing. Thank you for sharing this. :)
No prob love, I still don't get why MJ would keep his disguse on in the home?? My friend said its a huge home, Mike offered them a ton of cash for it but they declined(they are well off) the home is on its own little island in that subdivision. He always has me questioning everything :?
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When the hoax goes calm before the next storm I use the down time to go and investigate things I have missed since I started on the forum. Shortly after the news of Michael's death I felt sad and watched the Memorial but that was all the T.V. coverage I watched. I missed the funeral at Forest Lawn when it happened. I only have seen the videos on youtube after the fact of me knowing this is a hoax.
Anyways my point is when I do come across videos like the ones I posted (below) they fill in some blanks, confirm or deny what I maybe wondering or what alot of members here in this thread are wondering about Murray and how he met Michael.
The following videos are from the ABC 20/20 After Life special that was done on the one year anniversary. I just found these yesterday. There is alot of interesting info in these videos. The timeline of Murray and his actions are explained by his lawyer Ed Chernoff.
The body gaurds explain how Murray met Michael. There is a guy from the AP who claims to have gotten Alberto Alvarez's actual testimony to the police. The report says that Alberto said to the police that when Murray was giving CPR he stated "This is my first time doing CPR" (<I'm paraphrasing) He didn't say he didnt know how, he stated it was his FIRST time doing it. That isn't the same as not knowing.
I know CPR but I have never needed to do it. It is not unreasonable to believe that even a doctor would never need to do CPR.
[youtube:17sb6hfp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aysbUMVVihw&feature=related[/youtube:17sb6hfp]
Harvey makes a few cameos. lol ;)
I find it interesting that ABC is reporting the info that most of us know is a hoax. It doesn't appear that they did any investigating.
I also like to see it in action on a news program or special because it just makes it all the more interesting. I feel as though I am watching a live soap opera. Some people call em stories. lol
The whole special that ABC did is on youtube parts 1-11. There is the link to part one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7dXQs6 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7dXQs62Q0&feature=related)
There is alot of good and new things I didn't know before (some about the hoax timelines and testimonies) and some about Michael and his early years during his career in the 80's. It is worth watching.
[youtube:17sb6hfp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYN_Z45tf50&feature=related[/youtube:17sb6hfp]
Some of MJ's fans didn't learn. Look at the nasty signs. Tsk Tsk. 8-)