Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The Conrad Murray Investigation & Court Case => After June 25, 2009 => Court Case & Hearings; Discussion and Articles => Topic started by: Sinderella on February 24, 2011, 07:17:04 PM
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Michael Jackson case: Prosecutor says defense isn't sharing information, asks for delay of doctor's trial
A prosecutor asked Thursday that the trial of Michael Jackson’s doctor be delayed because of what she said was the failure of the defense to share information about its planned case, including the findings of its star forensic witness.
Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor left the scheduled March 24 start of Dr. Conrad Murray’s trial in place, but said he shared the prosecution’s frustration and reminded defense attorneys that they could be fined or barred from calling witnesses if they did not comply with legal obligations to turn over the materials.
“Dr. Murray is entitled to have a speedy trial, but it’s not trial by lack of information,” Pastor said.
Deputy Dist. Atty. Deborah Brazil complained that with only a month before trial, Murray’s lawyers have not handed over a report or notes about the expected testimony of Dr. Paul White.
The defense acknowledged in court that White, a Dallas anesthesiologist with an expertise in propofol -- the drug that killed Jackson -- is its most important witness. But defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan insisted the expert had not prepared a report and had communicated his findings verbally. Those findings, Flanagan said, included the opinion that Jackson was addicted to Demerol and that Murray did not cause Jackson’s death.
Pastor urged Murray’s lawyers to provide more information about White's testimony to the prosecution.
“I’m just finding it very difficult to believe that a renowned forensic expert in any subject is going to take the stand without having documentation in front of him,” the judge said.
Murray, 57, is accused of involuntary manslaughter in the June 2009 death of the pop icon. His lawyers have suggested that Jackson self-administered the fatal dose of propofol
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This is becoming more and more comical and disturbing all at the same time. What a farce :shock:
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HA.I know right,and if this does get delayed,someone owes me $$ for my correct prediction of said event.Don't know who.....but someone :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:
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It seems like we need to start fastening our seat belts for the last run of the show. :lol:
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It seems like we need to start fastening our seat belts for the last run of the show. :lol:
Click!
Ready for take-off!
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I'll see what other developments I can get hold of on this
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Figures lol :lol:
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This is just my opinion but what if this delay is because MJ needs more time...also with the TIAI redirects, the reason for no redirects could be because MJ is working on the music videos (indirectly). Not that I want to be negative but maybe something didnt go to plan or MJ is delaying because of unforseen circumstances such as Liz Taylor being in hospital. (Hope she gets well)
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This is just my opinion but what if this delay is because MJ needs more time...also with the TIAI redirects, the reason for no redirects could be because MJ is working on the music videos (indirectly). Not that I want to be negative but maybe something didnt go to plan or MJ is delaying because of unforseen circumstances such as Liz Taylor being in hospital. (Hope she gets well)
Could be, maybe things have not fallen all into place yet :?
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To me it seems like they court scenes are not happening. Katherine isn't going to court to sue AEG, and now the defense, Murray has presented no report to begin the case, when THEY were the ones that wanted a speedy trial. It is like they don't REALLY want to do the court stuff...just try it in the MEDIA.
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including the findings of its star forensic witness Can it be Michael , in some destorted way???
The more time goes on, the more I feel in a roller coaster, going up and down, up and down oops I am getting dizzy here.. :mrgreen:
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including the findings of its star forensic witness Can it be Michael , in some destorted way???
The more time goes on, the more I feel in a roller coaster, going up and down, up and down oops I am getting dizzy here.. :mrgreen:
I feel you on that roller coaster lol :lol:
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Since when do we exchange opinions and notes from defense to prosecution OUTSIDE of a courtroom and BEFORE the trial and as a goodie the judge complains about the lack of documentation?
I think I'm gonna save some carrots for the Bugs Bunnies we're gonna see.
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I guess I'm just ignorant of how these legal proceedings work. I would have assumed that the prosecution would be the one having to present their documents, not the defense. I mean, why should the defense have to lay out how they plan to defend a client? To me it should be that the prosecution should have to tell how they plan to prove you did something so you know how to defend yourself, not the other way around.
I also just read another story about what happened in court today, and nothing makes sense of course.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=12987564
Flanagan told Pastor he hadn't prepared such notes for trials for at least 10 years.
Flanagan contended that California trial laws don't require him to prepare reports on witness interviews to hand over to prosecutors.
Pastor disagreed, saying the strategy appeared to undermine rules intended to prevent surprises during testimony at trial.
"It is a recipe for disaster," Pastor said. "We don't do trials based upon memory."
The judge rejected a request by prosecutor Deborah Brazil to vacate the scheduled start of Murray's trial in late March over the issue.
She argued there was no way the doctor's defense team could be prepared for trial if they had not yet written and handed over reports.
The above is just a portion of this 2 page story. So, defense attorney Flanagan says the CA law doesn't require him to prepare and give these reports to prosecutors. Judge Pastor disagrees and wants to prevent SURPRISES during the trial :D OH, and why would prosecutor Deborah Brazil be concerned about Murray's defense team being prepared, she's on the other side? Maybe the real reason the prosecutors are looking to delay the trial is because they don't have evidence to prove their case? Maybe MJ will be a surprise witness for Murray :lol:
Time will tell and Truth WILL Prevail!
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This is totally insane..that's all I have to say, really. LOL
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I'm not surprised there is a delay. Mother Katherine already dropped the case against AEG being responsible for hiring Murray. I believe I read this in a different forum. I always felt AEG wasn't responsible because Kenny O and others were at the memorial and he was also at the premiere of This is it taking pics with the brothers. If they were really responsible then why would the brothers be so friendly with him? Anyway what's next charges dropped completely against Murray? Like the family keeps saying he is the fall guy. It will be interesting to see what happens next that's for sure.
The Jackson brothers look rather chummy with Kenny. Ummm is Kenny holding Jackie's hand in the pic?lol :lol: :lol:
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This is totally insane..that's all I have to say, really. LOL
Wise words from our own in-house Lawyer
Go on,Chlo..give 'em hell
KJ has dropped her charges,this was all released yesterday/day before so it is definitley unravelling at snowball speed and YES they are 100% holding hands haahahaha
IT'S ALL FOR L.O.V.E isn't that right Kenny ;)
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The Jackson brothers look rather chummy with Kenny. Ummm is Kenny holding Jackie's hand in the pic?lol :lol: :lol:
Probably Jackie said to Kenny: "We Know What's Going On dude, and this is going to be a fast rollercoaster ride, so pls Hold My Hand" :lol:
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Yeah...
"Kenny,dude,I know our mom is going to try sue your ass and you'll be up on the stand and all that,but if you hold my hand,things will get better and nothing will come between us,squeeze it man....it's all for love and all for $$$"
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You guys remember when TII tour was delayed?
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You guys remember when TII tour was delayed?
***Correction
Remember when EVERYTHING since 2009 was delayed?
Tour
911 call
Funeral
TII Film release
DVD release
Murray's arrest
Album release
Game release
Syringe 'Evidence' testing (18months delayed this is by far the winner)
Trial....
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Los Angeles (CNN) -- A prosecutor in the involuntary manslaughter case against Dr. Conrad Murray asked the judge Thursday to delay the trial, which is set to begin in a month.
Murray, who is charged in the death of pop star Michael Jackson, invoked his right to a speedy trial within 60 days of his arraignment, but the prosecution complained the defense has not met its duty to share information about potential witnesses.
"I do not take notes when talking to a witness," defense lawyer Michael Flanigan told Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor during a hearing Thursday.
Judge Pastor scolded Flanagan and his co-cousel Ed Chernoff for not providing more details to the prosecution about the testimony they expect from the 93 people listed as potential defense witnesses.
"There are sanctions, including monetary and continuances, and also including preclusion of a witness," the judge warned.
Judge Pastor appeared caught by surprise at Murray's arraignment last month when defense lawyers invoked his right to hava a trial within 60 days.
Flanagan, outside of court Thursday, said the defense will be ready when jury selection is scheduled to start on March 24.
"The defendant has a right to go to trial within 60 days," he said. "I don't think there's any obligation for him to be completely ready 30 days before he's set to go to trial, if that were the true then what would we do the last 30 days?"
Judge Pastor ordered Murray's lawyers to create written summaries of what they've been told by witnesses in interviews.
"I guess we'll have to go out and take some more statements and tell the prosecution a little buit more about where we're coming from," Flanagan said.
Judge Pastor set a hearing for Monday morning to consider the prosecution request for a delay.
The judge also delayed making a decision until next week on allowing a new lawyer to join Murray's defense team until he can determine if there is a conflict of interest.
The lawyer, Nareg Gourjian, had worked on Michael Jackson's child molestation defense.
Murray wants Gourjian to replace Joseph Low, who left the defense team earlier this month.
Gourjian's former law firm, headed by lawyer Mark Geragos, raised the possible conflict of interest because the firm represented Jackson for two years starting in 2003, when he was charged with child molestation.
Geragos, and Michael Jackson estate's lawyer, Howard Weitzman, appeared in court Thursday to discuss the matter. But Judge Pastor asked them to return next week to meet privately because it involves "very sensitive material."
Gourjian told the judge last week that he was "in no way involved" in the Jackson case because he was "a brand-new lawyer" busy working on the a murder case at the time.
Jackson died on June 25, 2009 from what the coroner ruled was an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol
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O.M.G. that's Over My Gabacity...
:lol:
We need a second trial, urgently.
Not only everything got delayed, we had everything doubled so far.
And then we need garbage bins. Tons of garbage bins.
Seems we may need to stop our watches, clocks, everything that is ticking and freeze it in time.
Because time, the 4th dimension, is being no more under our control in this story.
Frozen in time, buried alive - this is what we've seen here too:
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Since when do we exchange opinions and notes from defense to prosecution OUTSIDE of a courtroom and BEFORE the trial and as a goodie the judge complains about the lack of documentation?
I think I'm gonna save some carrots for the Bugs Bunnies we're gonna
I thought, in discovery, prosecution has to share their evidence with the defense, not the other way round? (where are our lawyers, here?).
Maybe it's a nod to Michael who was notoriously late for everything.. :)
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When ever they mention Conrad Murray his age is always 57 ,even though over 20 months has passed.
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LOL Steph,you're only right
Lucky,I want to not age =[
TMZ-MAKE IT SO NOW!!
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I'm not surprised there is a delay. Mother Katherine already dropped the case against AEG being responsible for hiring Murray. I believe I read this in a different forum. I always felt AEG wasn't responsible because Kenny O and others were at the memorial and he was also at the premiere of This is it taking pics with the brothers. If they were really responsible then why would the brothers be so friendly with him? Anyway what's next charges dropped completely against Murray? Like the family keeps saying he is the fall guy. It will be interesting to see what happens next that's for sure.
The Jackson brothers look rather chummy with Kenny. Ummm is Kenny holding Jackie's hand in the pic?lol :lol: :lol:
:lol: My first thoughts about this picture were geez :shock: BMF = Black Mafia Family. Of course they aren’t. BMF were straight up gangstas.
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LOL Steph,you're only right
Lucky,I want to not age =[
TMZ-MAKE IT SO NOW!!
Lol...me neither....that is why i am always "27" and have been for years....
[although I now I have a step son that is older than me.... :mrgreen:
Hey what is so wrong with some arrested development?
buwaaaaaaahhhaaa.
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A prosecutor asked Thursday that the trial of Michael Jackson’s doctor be delayed because of what she said was the failure of the defense to share information about its planned case, including the findings of its star forensic witness.
Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor left the scheduled March 24 start of Dr. Conrad Murray’s trial in place, but said he shared the prosecution’s frustration and reminded defense attorneys that they could be fined or barred from calling witnesses if they did not comply with legal obligations to turn over the materials.
Must be illegal there too.
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Memorial was delayed. Right after they brought coffin in. "Sound problems". At least 5 min of silence and awkward waiting. Anyone who watched it live will remember.
Red flag number 7 I believe at that point.
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When ever they mention Conrad Murray his age is always 57 ,even though over 20 months has passed.
Yep, 50 + 7.
I start thinking a doubt on Michael's age could point to 49 in 2009 fitting much more logically than 50.
We love mysteries, don't we?
(Plus some ladies claim to stay at 49 to never get 50+, I'll see if I'll join them one day :lol: )
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When ever they mention Conrad Murray his age is always 57 ,even though over 20 months has passed.
Fake identities do not get old :lol:
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The Jackson brothers look rather chummy with Kenny. Ummm is Kenny holding Jackie's hand in the pic?lol :lol: :lol:
Probably Jackie said to Kenny: "We Know What's Going On dude, and this is going to be a fast rollercoaster ride, so pls Hold My Hand" :lol:
I know right.lol They are really holding hands. :lol:
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This is just so hysterical,I honestly need to remember who I made a bet with.....
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including the findings of its star forensic witness Can it be Michael , in some destorted way???
The more time goes on, the more I feel in a roller coaster, going up and down, up and down oops I am getting dizzy here.. :mrgreen:
I feel you on that roller coaster lol :lol:
Thanks becca26 that I am not the only one. Blessings
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Yet another article
Jackson judge says he might delay trial of doctor
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LOS ANGELES – A judge says he is considering delaying the trial of the doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death because the physician's attorneys haven't turned over witness statements to prosecutors.
Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor says he is extremely distressed by the lack of information that defense attorneys have given to prosecutors in advance of a trial slated to begin March 24.
Defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan says attorneys are still preparing their case and expect to continue their investigation even after trial starts.
That stunned Pastor, who says he may delay the trial or fine attorneys who aren't complying with rules requiring them to give potential evidence to prosecutors 30 days before trial.
Dr. Conrad Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.
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Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor says he is extremely distressed by the lack of information that defense attorneys have given to prosecutors in advance of a trial slated to begin March 24.
Why would a judge gets so emotionally involved. Looks like this guy needs to go take a holiday.
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Why I'm not surprised ? :lol: The delay is part of the plan because I believe the BAM will be in 2012 and this trial delay fits in the time schedule and to make the media more confused and eager... AND the trial is supposed to have world attention, yet the Middle East is breaking world news lately and in the next weeks/months, which was not foreseen. When things are "back to normal" the trial will be in the spotlights. Of course unforseen circumstances are included in the plan. Clever MJ ;)
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"A judge threatened Monday to hit Dr. Conrad Murray’s lawyers with $1,500-a-day... fines for failing to share evidence with prosecutors before the physician's trial next month in the death of Michael Jackson. Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor told lawyers for the pop icon’s personal physician that he would impose the fines or other sanctions Wednesday unless they met their legal obligation to turn over witness statements and expert reports to prosecutors."
“I am extremely distressed about the state of this case and whether in fact the defense is ready for trial,” Pastor said."
"Murray is set to go on trial March 24, but prosecutors have repeatedly asked the judge to delay the case, saying the defense is not ready for trial because it has not shared materials concerning its witnesses. Murray has refused to waive his right to a speedy trial, as most defendants do, to preserve his right to practice medicine.
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"A judge threatened Monday to hit Dr. Conrad Murray’s lawyers with $1,500-a-day... fines for failing to share evidence with prosecutors before the physician's trial next month in the death of Michael Jackson. Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor told lawyers for the pop icon’s personal physician that he would impose the fines or other sanctions Wednesday unless they met their legal obligation to turn over witness statements and expert reports to prosecutors."
“I am extremely distressed about the state of this case and whether in fact the defense is ready for trial,” Pastor said."
"Murray is set to go on trial March 24, but prosecutors have repeatedly asked the judge to delay the case, saying the defense is not ready for trial because it has not shared materials concerning its witnesses. Murray has refused to waive his right to a speedy trial, as most defendants do, to preserve his right to practice medicine.
HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!
Oh...my...God. I think non-believers must be pulling their hairs out and banging their heads against the wall. I am sorry for them. LOL.
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I hope the trial won't be delayed. And again I hope Michael comes back this year. He told in TII that we have only 4 years to get it right mentioning 2012. So whatever his plan is according to the end of the world, it would be too late if he comes back in 2012 in my opinion. He needs to come back this year. So I'm crossing my fingers for this trial not to be delayed.
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chloead505, am I right in thinking you're our legal expert? If so, can you confirm if it's normal practice and 'legal obligation' for the defence to have to 'share its evidence' with the prosecution before the trial begins?
If it is, then why are you laughing at these articles?
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chloead505, am I right in thinking you're our legal expert? If so, can you confirm if it's normal practice and 'legal obligation' for the defence to have to 'share its evidence' with the prosecution before the trial begins?
If it is, then why are you laughing at these articles?
Hi,
yes, I am a lawyer by profession. But I'm not a US lawyer so I don't want to pretend that I know US criminal law as it is very different from the continental system that we have here in Europe. I have been laughing on my occassions and in many threads, in fact. Sorry it is so ridiculous that I have to laugh - mainly at things to do with securing the crime scene, collecting evidence, people going in and out of the house, taking stuff, Murray running around with his liscence not suspended, doing tests on syringes that are 1,5 years old, ...quite lately the fairy tale about Murray's new defense lawyer having a personal conflict because he did some work for MJ back in 2005...and the list of absurdities (from a legal point of view at least) has no end..goes on and on. So now this plead to delay trial because judge is worried that defense is not ready...I mean WHAT??
Not sure about sharing evidence under US law. I do have a feeling that it's something that actually does exist, to a certain extent. But it's not like share as in have them look at your notes and the actual evidence, it's more about giving the other party the chance to (beforehand) get prepared to what is gonna be going down during the trial. So I'd think this includes disclosing a list of witnesses to give testimony for instance. I'm just a bit amazed at this construction and honestly I dont understand how that can be required from the defense. Sounds more natural vice versa - that is defense may require that from prosecution. I'd be happy to discuss this with a US lawyer...
I have never ever before heard about defense having to share evidence with prosecution. It is unthinkable in my jurisdiction so I can't tell you more about that.
So to make it short, I am laughing at the ridiculousness of the whole trial/prosecution thing. It's just getting delayed and delayed, but the reasons for that sound so far-fetched that I'm just thinking you dont have to be a lawyer to realize it's a parody.
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WHAT ARE THEY IN COURT TODAY OR WHAT? All these articles coming out.
Jackson judge says he might delay trial of doctor
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LOS ANGELES – Lawyers for Michael Jackson's doctor, insisting on a speedy trial on an involuntary manslaughter charge, appeared headed for a roadblock, with a judge saying Monday he doesn't think they are ready for trial and he may have to delay the planned March 24 start.
"I am extremely distressed about the state of this case and whether the defense is prepared for trial and its obligations to Dr. Murray," said Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor.
Prosecutors urged the judge to delay the start of jury selection, and Pastor asked them to present case law on the matter Wednesday, when he ordered Conrad Murray to appear. The doctor, who has pleaded not guilty, has been absent from the past few hearings under a waiver that allowed him to continue working at his clinics in Texas and Nevada.
Murray's medical license to practice in California has been suspended by Pastor. Defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan told the judge the urgency of getting to trial involves Murray's fear that if it takes too long, Texas and Nevada will lift his medical license as well.
Flanagan also suggested that Murray is running out of money to fund his defense.
"We need to go to trial right away," he said. "We don't have the budget that would let us draw this out."
Flanagan acknowledged, "We are still preparing this case," but said it was normal for evidence to develop even after the trial has begun.
"We will be ready for trial March 24," Flanagan said. "We are not ready today."
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Prosecutors objected that they are entitled to receive discovery of defense evidence 30 days before trial starts, a deadline which has already passed. Deputy District Attorney Deborah Brazil said she has received no reports from defense experts or any statements from proposed defense witnesses.
Flanagan angrily complained that the prosecution has not met all of its discovery obligations either.
The judge ordered Brazil and Deputy District Attorney David Walgren to turn over clean digital photos from Jackson's autopsy as well as all of the surveillance tapes recorded at his Bel Air home on June 25, 2009, the day he died of an overdose of the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives.
Pastor said that unless both sides quickly meet their discovery obligations, he will begin issuing sanctions of $1,500 per lawyer per day. The judge said he may have to start holding daily hearings in order to compel discovery.
Among the experts Flanagan said he expects to call is a leading authority on the use propofol. Flanagan said the witness believes Jackson was addicted to the pain killer Demerol and was withdrawing it at the time of his death, which may have complicated his reactions.
Outside court, Flanagan said prosecutors had 20 months to prepare their case while the defense began developing evidence in the past six weeks after a preliminary hearing.
Flanagan said outside court that he believes Pastor can't overrule the speedy trial requirement unless the defense is found unprepared on the day of trial. By then, the judge will have called hundreds of prospective jurors to the courthouse and arranged for extra security. He stressed that arranging for such a high-profile trial is time consuming and complicated.
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I think a group of teenagers could have put together a better trial or this forum. Yep that's it let us do it!!! :D
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This is different state and trial, but gives some overview of evidence sharing ideas.
SJC says defense must share evidence
Some lawyers warn change is radical
By Jonathan Saltzman, Globe Staff | March 15, 2006
A deeply divided Supreme Judicial Court ruled yesterday that prosecutors are entitled to know before trial what evidence criminal defense lawyers plan to use to cross-examine the state's witnesses, a decision prosecutors say levels the playing field but defense lawyers argue subverts the judicial system.
By a 4-3 vote, the state's high court decided that trial judges can order defense lawyers to share evidence they have gathered and intend to use to impeach the credibility of prosecution witnesses, including witness statements, documents, and recordings.
Under rules of evidence across the country, prosecutors already have to turn over the findings of criminal investigations to defense lawyers. But most states, including Massachusetts, have required defendants to provide the prosecution only with evidence their own witnesses were expected to testify about, not what the defense had learned to challenge government witnesses.
That is unfair, the high court said, even if the state typically has greater resources than defendants.
''The role of cross-examination, and the existence of an imbalance, should not override the right of the people and the victims of crimes to have the evidence evaluated by a truly informed trier of fact," Justice John M. Greaney wrote in the majority opinion.
The ruling drew sharply worded dissents from Chief Justice Margaret H. Marshall and Justice Robert J. Cordy, who were joined by Justice Roderick L. Ireland.
Marshall said the decision deprives defense lawyers of one of their most potent and constitutionally protected weapons: the ability to surprise a prosecution witness during cross-examination with evidence that shakes his or her testimony.
''This is not 'trial by ambush,' " she wrote. ''To the contrary, it permits the jury to assess for themselves the reliability of a witness's memory or whether an accuser is truthful."
Yesterday's decision, she added, ''all but guarantees constitutional challenges in the future."
Cordy, a former federal prosecutor, said the ruling was a ''sea change" that put Massachusetts at odds with federal courts and courts in most states. Invoking the phrase of a notable legal scholar, Cordy said the ruling will disable the ''greatest legal engine" ever invented to uncover the truth: cross-examination of witnesses.
In recent years, courts across the country have updated their rules of criminal procedure to require more sharing of information before trial. In Massachusetts, for example, rules require defendants to disclose alibi defenses and defenses based on mental illness to ensure that both sides will be able to prepare for key issues during a trial.
In the case that the court ruled on yesterday, the court said Superior Court Judge Margot Botsford had the authority to order Patrick John Durham, a murder defendant represented by a court-appointed lawyer, to turn over information gathered by a defense investigator to cross-examine prosecution witnesses. (Durham pleaded guilty to manslaughter while his lawyer appealed the ruling, making the issue moot to his case.)
The majority of the high court said that the rules of evidence supported Botsford's ruling and disputed Durham's lawyer's argument that it violated federal and state constitutional protections, including the right to confront one's accusers.
Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley applauded the ruling. He said it puts prosecutors on equal footing with defense lawyers, who often seek to catch witnesses off guard with prior statements they have made that contradict their testimony.
''This may deny some defense attorneys a Perry Mason moment when they surprise a witness and say, 'Gotcha!' " Conley said. ''But it's not television. It's not movies. It's real life."
He said the ruling will make the courts more open and fair and that his prosecutors will now ask for such evidence before trials.
But several defense lawyers predicted the decision will radically change the dynamics of criminal trials. Prosecutors, they said, now have the green light to share evidence with witnesses who will then change their stories before they are cross-examined.
''If you think of cross-examination like a test for the witness, this is like giving the witness the questions in advance of the test," said James L. Sultan, a lawyer for Durham who appeared before the high court.
Peter Krupp, who submitted a brief on behalf of two associations of criminal defense lawyers, said the ruling will make it harder for defense lawyers to challenge prosecution witnesses.
For instance, he said, in a murder case he worked on, a witness who testified for the state claimed he saw the defendant on a certain day, but Krupp confronted him on the stand with a record that proved he had been wrong.
Jonathan Saltzman can be reached at http://www.boston.com/news/local/articl ... _evidence/ (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/03/15/sjc_says_defense_must_share_evidence/)
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This is different state and trial, but gives some overview of evidence sharing ideas.
SJC says defense must share evidence
Some lawyers warn change is radical
By Jonathan Saltzman, Globe Staff | March 15, 2006
A deeply divided Supreme Judicial Court ruled yesterday that prosecutors are entitled to know before trial what evidence criminal defense lawyers plan to use to cross-examine the state's witnesses, a decision prosecutors say levels the playing field but defense lawyers argue subverts the judicial system.
By a 4-3 vote, the state's high court decided that trial judges can order defense lawyers to share evidence they have gathered and intend to use to impeach the credibility of prosecution witnesses, including witness statements, documents, and recordings.
Under rules of evidence across the country, prosecutors already have to turn over the findings of criminal investigations to defense lawyers. But most states, including Massachusetts, have required defendants to provide the prosecution only with evidence their own witnesses were expected to testify about, not what the defense had learned to challenge government witnesses.
That is unfair, the high court said, even if the state typically has greater resources than defendants.
''The role of cross-examination, and the existence of an imbalance, should not override the right of the people and the victims of crimes to have the evidence evaluated by a truly informed trier of fact," Justice John M. Greaney wrote in the majority opinion.
The ruling drew sharply worded dissents from Chief Justice Margaret H. Marshall and Justice Robert J. Cordy, who were joined by Justice Roderick L. Ireland.
Marshall said the decision deprives defense lawyers of one of their most potent and constitutionally protected weapons: the ability to surprise a prosecution witness during cross-examination with evidence that shakes his or her testimony.
''This is not 'trial by ambush,' " she wrote. ''To the contrary, it permits the jury to assess for themselves the reliability of a witness's memory or whether an accuser is truthful."
Yesterday's decision, she added, ''all but guarantees constitutional challenges in the future."
Cordy, a former federal prosecutor, said the ruling was a ''sea change" that put Massachusetts at odds with federal courts and courts in most states. Invoking the phrase of a notable legal scholar, Cordy said the ruling will disable the ''greatest legal engine" ever invented to uncover the truth: cross-examination of witnesses.
In recent years, courts across the country have updated their rules of criminal procedure to require more sharing of information before trial. In Massachusetts, for example, rules require defendants to disclose alibi defenses and defenses based on mental illness to ensure that both sides will be able to prepare for key issues during a trial.
In the case that the court ruled on yesterday, the court said Superior Court Judge Margot Botsford had the authority to order Patrick John Durham, a murder defendant represented by a court-appointed lawyer, to turn over information gathered by a defense investigator to cross-examine prosecution witnesses. (Durham pleaded guilty to manslaughter while his lawyer appealed the ruling, making the issue moot to his case.)
The majority of the high court said that the rules of evidence supported Botsford's ruling and disputed Durham's lawyer's argument that it violated federal and state constitutional protections, including the right to confront one's accusers.
Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley applauded the ruling. He said it puts prosecutors on equal footing with defense lawyers, who often seek to catch witnesses off guard with prior statements they have made that contradict their testimony.
''This may deny some defense attorneys a Perry Mason moment when they surprise a witness and say, 'Gotcha!' " Conley said. ''But it's not television. It's not movies. It's real life."
He said the ruling will make the courts more open and fair and that his prosecutors will now ask for such evidence before trials.
But several defense lawyers predicted the decision will radically change the dynamics of criminal trials. Prosecutors, they said, now have the green light to share evidence with witnesses who will then change their stories before they are cross-examined.
''If you think of cross-examination like a test for the witness, this is like giving the witness the questions in advance of the test," said James L. Sultan, a lawyer for Durham who appeared before the high court.
Peter Krupp, who submitted a brief on behalf of two associations of criminal defense lawyers, said the ruling will make it harder for defense lawyers to challenge prosecution witnesses.
For instance, he said, in a murder case he worked on, a witness who testified for the state claimed he saw the defendant on a certain day, but Krupp confronted him on the stand with a record that proved he had been wrong.
Jonathan Saltzman can be reached at http://www.boston.com/news/local/articl ... _evidence/ (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/03/15/sjc_says_defense_must_share_evidence/)
Exactly my point. That is why this is not commonly acceptable. It goes against the basic principle of consitutional rights - mainly to do with right to just trial.
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Thanks for your explanation a few posts back, chloead505, I hope you didn't think I was criticising your laughter - I was just puzzled because all this talk of delays is scaring me!
ForstAMoon, thanks for posting that article on evidence sharing. I liked this line:
''This may deny some defense attorneys a Perry Mason moment when they surprise a witness and say, 'Gotcha!' " Conley said. ''But it's not television. It's not movies. It's real life.
fordtocarr, interesting article from you too, thanks. This part hit me:
Flanagan angrily complained that the prosecution has not met all of its discovery obligations either.
The judge ordered Brazil and Deputy District Attorney David Walgren to turn over clean digital photos from Jackson's autopsy as well as all of the surveillance tapes recorded at his Bel Air home on June 25, 2009, the day he died of an overdose of the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives.
Pastor said that unless both sides quickly meet their discovery obligations, he will begin issuing sanctions of $1,500 per lawyer per day. The judge said he may have to start holding daily hearings in order to compel discovery.
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Since when do we exchange opinions and notes from defense to prosecution OUTSIDE of a courtroom and BEFORE the trial and as a goodie the judge complains about the lack of documentation?
I think I'm gonna save some carrots for the Bugs Bunnies we're gonna
I thought, in discovery, prosecution has to share their evidence with the defense, not the other way round? (where are our lawyers, here?).
Maybe it's a nod to Michael who was notoriously late for everything.. :)
In my State which is not CA, any report done on a supeonaed witness, that information is to be shared with both sides. For example, if the defense has a expert witness or just a witness in general that they are going to present at trial, the State (prosecuting side) should have all records/reports on this witness before the trial begins. The law on this varies from State to State but it sounds like CA has basically the same law.
Hugs
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Well but 'sharing evidence' sounds weird, whatever it means in reality. Sharing records on witnesses isnt sharing evidence in the narrow sense cause in case of witnesses, evidence = their testimony,that is the contents of it. So sharing evidence would mean telling prosecution what the witness is going to say/testify. At least they should use proper terms.
Besides maybe MJ is THE witness, no wonder they dont want to share! :-D
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''This may deny some defense attorneys a Perry Mason moment when they surprise a witness and say, 'Gotcha!' " Conley said. ''But it's not television. It's not movies. It's real life."
I'm sure Michael's got a lot of surprises up his sleeve for us all! :D
chloead505, I hope you will stay with us throughout the trial, so we will be able to catch all the humor/satire that MJ has so cleverly woven into the details and plot. Yet it will all appear so serious and to the non-believers a heart breaking fight for justice. It's art and it's all for L.O.V.E! The best is yet to come!
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To me it seems like they court scenes are not happening. Katherine isn't going to court to sue AEG, and now the defense, Murray has presented no report to begin the case, when THEY were the ones that wanted a speedy trial. It is like they don't REALLY want to do the court stuff...just try it in the MEDIA.
Hey! Where'd you hear that Katherine isn't going to court to sue AEG? I must've missed that because I never heard it. Is there a link or article to it?
Much thanks! :D
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To me it seems like they court scenes are not happening. Katherine isn't going to court to sue AEG, and now the defense, Murray has presented no report to begin the case, when THEY were the ones that wanted a speedy trial. It is like they don't REALLY want to do the court stuff...just try it in the MEDIA.
Okay...I guess I misunderstood what was being said. Katherine is dropping 4 of the complaints. Here's one of the articles.
LOS ANGELES (CBS) — Attorneys for Michael Jackson’s mother say she will not proceed with some of the original allegations in her complaint against the promoter of the London concert series her son was about to begin when he died, including fraud.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette M. Palazuelos ruled Feb. 2 that lawyers for Katherine Jackson and her grandchildren will have to provide more concrete evidence of fraud, negligent infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy, which the lawsuit alleges. She gave them 20 days to amend the complaint.
However, the attorneys filed papers Tuesday stating they “do not intent to amend the complaint.” The case is now scheduled to go to trial on the remaining allegations of breach of contract, negligent hiring and employer responsibility.
The suit was filed on Sept. 15 by Katherine Jackson on behalf of herself and her son’s three children, Michael Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine and Prince Michael, also known as Blanket.
The suit alleges AEG Live is responsible for the medical decisions made by Dr. Conrad Murray, the singer’s personal physician at the time, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in Jackson’s death.
The suit originally alleged Michael Jr. suffered negligent infliction of
emotional distress when he “witnessed his father suffering and accordingly
has suffered great trauma and severe emotional distress.” But according to
AEG, the Jackson family lawyers themselves do not allege the boy was present when Murray gave propofol to the singer, nor do they claim the boy was aware the physician was causing any harm to his father.
The 50-year-old singer died June 25, 2009, of acute propofol intoxication.
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The judge has asked for autopsy pic's????? :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Judge in Michael Jackson manslaughter case says he might delay trial of doctor
LOS ANGELES, Calif. — Lawyers for Michael Jackson's doctor, insisting on a speedy trial on an involuntary manslaughter charge, appeared headed for a roadblock, with a judge saying Monday he doesn't think they are ready for trial and he may have to delay the planned March 24 start.
"I am extremely distressed about the state of this case and whether the defence is prepared for trial and its obligations to Dr. Murray," said Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor.
Prosecutors urged the judge to delay the start of jury selection, and Pastor asked them to present case law on the matter Wednesday, when he ordered Conrad Murray to appear. The doctor, who has pleaded not guilty, has been absent from the past few hearings under a waiver that allowed him to continue working at his clinics in Texas and Nevada.
Murray's medical license to practice in California has been suspended by Pastor. Defence attorney J. Michael Flanagan told the judge the urgency of getting to trial involves Murray's fear that if it takes too long, Texas and Nevada will lift his medical license as well.
Flanagan also suggested that Murray is running out of money to fund his defence.
"We need to go to trial right away," he said. "We don't have the budget that would let us draw this out."
Flanagan acknowledged, "We are still preparing this case," but said it was normal for evidence to develop even after the trial has begun.
"We will be ready for trial March 24," Flanagan said. "We are not ready today."
Prosecutors objected that they are entitled to receive discovery of defence evidence 30 days before trial starts, a deadline which has already passed. Deputy District Attorney Deborah Brazil said she has received no reports from defence experts or any statements from proposed defence witnesses.
Flanagan angrily complained that the prosecution has not met all of its discovery obligations either.
The judge ordered Brazil and Deputy District Attorney David Walgren to turn over clean digital photos from Jackson's autopsy as well as all of the surveillance tapes recorded at his Bel Air home on June 25, 2009, the day he died of an overdose of the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives.
Pastor said that unless both sides quickly meet their discovery obligations, he will begin issuing sanctions of $1,500 per lawyer per day. The judge said he may have to start holding daily hearings in order to compel discovery.
Among the experts Flanagan said he expects to call is a leading authority on the use propofol. Flanagan said the witness believes Jackson was addicted to the pain killer Demerol and was withdrawing it at the time of his death, which may have complicated his reactions.
Outside court, Flanagan said prosecutors had 20 months to prepare their case while the defence began developing evidence in the past six weeks after a preliminary hearing.
Flanagan said outside court that he believes Pastor can't overrule the speedy trial requirement unless the defence is found unprepared on the day of trial. By then, the judge will have called hundreds of prospective jurors to the courthouse and arranged for extra security. He stressed that arranging for such a high-profile trial is time consuming and complicated.
Does anyone know what time this will start and which courthouse it is in?
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Need to catch up on this when I've slept,I see we have some brilliant legal insights =]
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Lawyers representing DR. CONRAD MURRAY have urged a judge not to delay the upcoming involuntary manslaughter trial into MICHAEL JACKSON's death - because they "don't have the budget" for lengthy court proceedings.
The medic stands accused of administering the drug Propofol which killed the King of Pop in June 2009.
The case is scheduled to begin on 24 March (11), but Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor could push back the start date of the trial after prosecutors called for a later hearing, according to the Associated Press.
Speaking on Monday (28Feb10), he said, "I am extremely distressed about the state of this case and whether the defense is prepared for trial and its obligations to Dr. Murray."
But Murray's legal team have appealed to Judge Pastor to keep 24 March as the start date - as they are running out of cash.
Defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan pleaded, "We need to go to trial right away. We don't have the budget that would let us draw this out."
Reports suggest prosecutors are objecting to the trial start date because they are entitled to receive discovery of defense evidence 30 days before trial starts - a deadline which has already passed. The judge threatened Murray’s lawyers with hefty fines for failing to share evidence with prosecutors.
He told the attorneys for the pop icon’s personal physician that he would impose the fines or other sanctions on Wednesday (02Mar11) unless they met their legal obligation to turn over witness statements and expert reports to prosecutors.
Meanwhile, the judge has ordered Deputy District Attorney David Walgren to turn over digital photos from Jackson's autopsy as well as all of the surveillance tapes recorded at his home on the day he died.
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/st ... al_1204586 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/conrad-murrays-lawyers-dont-have-the-budget-for-lengthy-michael-jackson-trial_1204586)
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In my State which is not CA, any report done on a supeonaed witness, that information is to be shared with both sides. For example, if the defense has a expert witness or just a witness in general that they are going to present at trial, the State (prosecuting side) should have all records/reports on this witness before the trial begins. The law on this varies from State to State but it sounds like CA has basically the same law.
Hugs
Thank you, Karen. Interesting how "scripted" cases become this way...especially, this one. ;)
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I hope the trial won't be delayed. And again I hope Michael comes back this year. He told in TII that we have only 4 years to get it right mentioning 2012. So whatever his plan is according to the end of the world, it would be too late if he comes back in 2012 in my opinion. He needs to come back this year. So I'm crossing my fingers for this trial not to be delayed.
Don't worry PureLove, because I suspect the trial needs to be delayed a little bit.
But just a very little bit. March 24th as a start date is just a tad early if this is to last 6 weeks.
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/02/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-lawyers-face-1500-a-day-fines.html
Just an update on the fines/delay from the LA Times
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''This may deny some defense attorneys a Perry Mason moment when they surprise a witness and say, 'Gotcha!' " Conley said. ''But it's not television. It's not movies. It's real life."
I'm sure Michael's got a lot of surprises up his sleeve for us all! :D
chloead505, I hope you will stay with us throughout the trial, so we will be able to catch all the humor/satire that MJ has so cleverly woven into the details and plot. Yet it will all appear so serious and to the non-believers a heart breaking fight for justice. It's art and it's all for L.O.V.E! The best is yet to come!
I most certainly will stay, although my job is obviously quite time-demanding. But I cant wait for more feeds from Absurdistan :-D
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Another article. Interesting added info.
http://www.laindependent.com/news/local ... 01403.html (http://www.laindependent.com/news/local/michael-jackson-judge-attorneys-murray-117101403.html)
Judge threatens to sanction attorneys in Michael Jackson case
By WIRE SERVICES
Story Published: Feb 28, 2011 at 2:27 PM PST
Story Updated: Feb 28, 2011 at 2:27 PM PST
Saying he was concerned about the sharing of evidence among attorneys, a Los Angeles judge Monday threatened to penalize lawyers in the criminal case against Dr. Conrad Murray, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter in connection with singer Michael Jackson's death.
During a pretrial hearing, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor told defense attorneys and prosecutors he was disappointed in persistent complaints from both sides about lawyers failing to share evidence.
"I want to emphasize I am considering very seriously the imposition of monetary sanctions at this point,'' Pastor told the lawyers.
The judge's comments were aimed at both prosecutors and defense attorneys, but he said specifically he was "disappointed'' at what he has been hearing about the lack of defense evidence being shared with prosecutors.
Pastor scheduled another hearing for 2 p.m. Wednesday, and he ordered that Murray and his lead attorney, Ed Chernoff, attend.
The judge noted that he did not want to punish Murray, but said he was considering penalties ranging from fines of $1,500 per day per lawyer, a possible delay in the scheduled March 24 trial date, inclusion of jury instructions in the case about "tardy discovery'' and — as a last resort — preclusion of some witnesses from testifying.
"I seriously am considering all sorts of responses to the discovery situation,'' the judge said.
During the hearing, Deputy District Attorney Deborah Brazil said defense attorneys turned over 526 pages of discovery last week, but 380 of them involved probate issues, and she was unclear of their relevance to the case. :?:
Defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan, however, complained that prosecutors were also failing to share evidence, calling the flow of information a "one-way street.''
Pastor demanded that the attorneys make serious improvement in communication before Wednesday.
"I expect a dramatically increased production of discovery between now and then,'' he said.
Both prosecutors in the case have asked that the March 24 trial date be pushed back. Pastor has not ruled on the motion, saying Monday that the District Attorney's Office would need to provide some case law to back up their request.
Murray, 58, is charged with involuntary manslaughter in connection with Jackson's death at age 50, amid a series of rehearsals for an upcoming series of sold-out concerts in London.
Murray is accused of administering the powerful anesthetic propofol to the singer to help him sleep, then failing to properly monitor him.
Jackson was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m. on June 25, 2009, after doctors at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center unsuccessfully tried to revive him. Paramedics who responded to the entertainer's rented Holmby Hills estate about two hours earlier said he appeared to have been dead for 20 minutes to an hour.
Murray proclaimed himself "an innocent man'' during a Jan. 25 court hearing, two weeks after he was ordered to stand trial following a six-day preliminary hearing.
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I most certainly will stay, although my job is obviously quite time-demanding. But I cant wait for more feeds from Absurdistan :-D
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well well well........
Never saw that coming
Ha.
Nah I did really.
http://www.accessatlanta.com/celebrities-tv/judge-delays-criminal-trial-857948.html
LOS ANGELES — A judge has postponed the trial of a doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death until early May.
The judge handling the involuntary manslaughter case against Murray indicated Monday, Feb. 28, 2011, he might delay the trial in what would be a defeat for defense lawyers anxious to get on with the proceedings.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor announced the delay Wednesday after meeting in chambers with prosecutors, defense attorneys, and Dr. Conrad Murray.
The move came after the judge asked defense attorneys at previous hearings why they hadn't turned over more information on potential witnesses to prosecutors.
The trial had been scheduled to begin with jury selection on March 24.
Prospective jurors will be given questionnaires on that day, but opening statements are now set to begin on May 9.
Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=13034910
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/03/michael-jackson-death-judge-postpones-conrad-murray-trial.html
Michael Jackson's death: Judge postpones start of Conrad Murray's trial for 1 month
March 2, 2011 | 3:20 pm
A judge Wednesday postponed opening statements in the trial of Michael Jackson’s doctor for a month to give both sides more time to share information with each other.
Hundreds of prospective jurors will report as scheduled to a downtown courthouse March 24 to fill out questionnaires regarding Dr. Conrad Murray’s case, but Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor said the final selection of panelists will not begin until May 4.
“Because of the nature and extent of discovery in this case, counsel wanted a little more time,” Pastor said after a 40-minute closed-door meeting with attorneys.
Murray, 57, is accused of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson’s 2009 death. He has pleaded not guilty.
-- Harriet Ryan
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Clearly she is really sad about the trial delay.....
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MJHIStoryVEVO
Nareg Gourjian Joins Murray’s Defense
A Superior Court judge cleared Dr. Conrad Murray’s defense Friday to add a third member to his legal team.
Judge Michael Pastor said in a written decision that he had found “no real or potential conflict of interest” in allowing a Glendale attorney who had once worked for a lawyer representing Micha...el Jackson to defend the physician now accused of killing him.
The attorney, Nareg Gourjian, was a junior associate in the firm of Geragos & Geragos seven years ago when lawyer Mark Geragos was Michael’s criminal defense counsel.
Pastor’s ruling came a day after the judge held closed-door meetings with Geragos, Gourjian and Howard Weitzman, an attorney for MJ’s estate.
“I’m pleased with the court’s finding,” Gourjian said.
Jury selection for Murray’s manslaughter trial gets underway later this month. He faces up to four years in prison if convicted
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I hope the trial won't be delayed. And again I hope Michael comes back this year. He told in TII that we have only 4 years to get it right mentioning 2012. So whatever his plan is according to the end of the world, it would be too late if he comes back in 2012 in my opinion. He needs to come back this year. So I'm crossing my fingers for this trial not to be delayed.
Don't worry PureLove, because I suspect the trial needs to be delayed a little bit.
But just a very little bit. March 24th as a start date is just a tad early if this is to last 6 weeks.
Thank you Bec. I asked this elsewhere but I don't remember someone answered it. How do we know the trial will last 6 weeks or 60 days? What if it lasts more than a couple of months, a year?
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How do we know the trial will last 6 weeks or 60 days? What if it lasts more than a couple of months, a year? [/b]
Simple answer PureLove, is that we don't know. I think reports from the court have said it is EXPECTED to last 6 weeks, but since when did things happen as we expected?! If it lasts a couple of months, a year, as you mention in your post, then so be it. We just have to sit patiently, watching and waiting.
And while we're doing 'what if's', what if it doesn't happen at all, what if it keeps on getting delayed, because let's face it, if MJ is alive, then prosecution is never going to be 'ready' to go to court!
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M:"Sorry, what?"
Audience person:trial is DELAYED!!
M:Oh? *fools, think it's all by accident*hahahaha"
Totally what this picture would sound like if it had audio.
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Sinders - that is totally unfair!! How can I drag myself away from the computer when you present me with a mesmerising vid like that above?! xxx
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Oh that's easy,you don't :mrgreen:
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M:"Sorry, what?"
Audience person:trial is DELAYED!!
M:Oh? *fools, think it's all by accident*hahahaha"
Totally what this picture would sound like if it had audio.
YUMMY YUMMY YUMMY MICHAEL. THANKS FOR THE CUTE CUTE PIC
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How do we know the trial will last 6 weeks or 60 days? What if it lasts more than a couple of months, a year? [/b]
Simple answer PureLove, is that we don't know. I think reports from the court have said it is EXPECTED to last 6 weeks, but since when did things happen as we expected?! If it lasts a couple of months, a year, as you mention in your post, then so be it. We just have to sit patiently, watching and waiting.
And while we're doing 'what if's', what if it doesn't happen at all, what if it keeps on getting delayed, because let's face it, if MJ is alive, then prosecution is never going to be 'ready' to go to court!
And....WHAT IF, it happens and we NEVER get answers, or don't get the one we want??
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In TII Michael said:
"We have four years to get it right, otherwise it is irreversible"
Sorry, but I still believe Michael is coming back in 2012, as I said before on this forum. The 4 years: 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012:
2009 :arrow: is the world in shock of his death.
2010 :arrow: is the year of the investigation, trialS and the outcome of weird "coincidences" during the investigation with the result that the group of believers grows, according to plan.
2011 :arrow: will be the trial(S) (including delays) year with many surprises and more mysteries and a lot of media and internet attention, start Immortal Tour, Oprah in November, the group believers is still growing. In 2011 Michael's message "to get it right" via media sources internet, TMZ etc. will reach a bigger (believers) audience.
In 2012 :arrow: Murray's trial ends, the truth will be unfold piece by piece in big spotlights because media is focussed and then BAM...Michael :D
JMHO of course.
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How do we know the trial will last 6 weeks or 60 days? What if it lasts more than a couple of months, a year? [/b]
Simple answer PureLove, is that we don't know. I think reports from the court have said it is EXPECTED to last 6 weeks, but since when did things happen as we expected?! If it lasts a couple of months, a year, as you mention in your post, then so be it. We just have to sit patiently, watching and waiting.
And while we're doing 'what if's', what if it doesn't happen at all, what if it keeps on getting delayed, because let's face it, if MJ is alive, then prosecution is never going to be 'ready' to go to court!
And....WHAT IF, it happens and we NEVER get answers, or don't get the one we want??
We will have to cross that bridge when we get to it fordtocarr.
No Fear.
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How do we know the trial will last 6 weeks or 60 days? What if it lasts more than a couple of months, a year? [/b]
Simple answer PureLove, is that we don't know. I think reports from the court have said it is EXPECTED to last 6 weeks, but since when did things happen as we expected?! If it lasts a couple of months, a year, as you mention in your post, then so be it. We just have to sit patiently, watching and waiting.
And while we're doing 'what if's', what if it doesn't happen at all, what if it keeps on getting delayed, because let's face it, if MJ is alive, then prosecution is never going to be 'ready' to go to court!
Thank you Curls. :) I've been trying to find out how we learned it will last 6 weeks only. So we know it from the reports came out from the court. Anything can happen like you wrote.
My worst characteristic feature is being impatient. I couldn't even believe myself how I've been following the hoax for such a long time. I think this is one of the features Michael gained me with his faked death. I would never ever expect myself researching for clues and waiting for him to come back to see him healthy again for 2 years. But lately I feel like I started loosing my patience. I've been on this for almost 19 months and I never had a break. It's been so so long for a person who hates to wait and to make people wait lol. If this wasn't Michael, I know that I would never bother keeping up with the hoax this long. It's because I love him so so much. Well, let's wait (damn it!) and see.
:)
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Re: Breaking News-Prosecution asks for delay in trial
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LOS ANGELES – Attorneys for the doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death say they want to talk to nearly three dozen people described as hostile witnesses before an upcoming trial.
Attorney J. Michael Flanagan told a judge Wednesday subpoenas had been issued for 35 witnesses, including all the members of Jackson's security team who were at the rented mansion where the singer died in June 2009.
Houston-based cardiologist Dr. Conrad Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.
The case reconvenes on March 16, when jury questionnaires will be discussed. Jury selection is scheduled to begin March 24, with opening statements scheduled for May 9.
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Re: Breaking News-Prosecution asks for delay in trial
– 29 mins ago
LOS ANGELES – Attorneys for the doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death say they want to talk to nearly three dozen people described as hostile witnesses before an upcoming trial.
Attorney J. Michael Flanagan told a judge Wednesday subpoenas had been issued for 35 witnesses, including all the members of Jackson's security team who were at the rented mansion where the singer died in June 2009.
Houston-based cardiologist Dr. Conrad Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.
The case reconvenes on March 16, when jury questionnaires will be discussed. Jury selection is scheduled to begin March 24, with opening statements scheduled for May 9.
Notice there is almost 4,000 comments on this in just 29 minutes!!!