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Title: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 01, 2011, 08:53:58 AM
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/conrad-murrays-lawyers-dont-have-the-budget-for-lengthy-michael-jackson-trial_1204586

Michael Jackson - Conrad Murray's Lawyers 'Don't Have The Budget' For Lengthy Michael Jackson Trial
01 March 2011 01:42  

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Conrad Murray's Lawyers 'Don't Have The Budget' For Lengthy Michael Jackson Trial
           

Lawyers representing DR. CONRAD MURRAY have urged a judge not to delay the upcoming involuntary manslaughter trial into MICHAEL JACKSON's death - because they "don't have the budget" for lengthy court proceedings.

The medic stands accused of administering the drug Propofol which killed the King of Pop in June 2009.

The case is scheduled to begin on 24 March (11), but Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor could push back the start date of the trial after prosecutors called for a later hearing, according to the Associated Press.

Speaking on Monday (28Feb10), he said, "I am extremely distressed about the state of this case and whether the defense is prepared for trial and its obligations to Dr. Murray."

But Murray's legal team have appealed to Judge Pastor to keep 24 March as the start date - as they are running out of cash.

Defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan pleaded, "We need to go to trial right away. We don't have the budget that would let us draw this out."

Reports suggest prosecutors are objecting to the trial start date because they are entitled to receive discovery of defense evidence 30 days before trial starts - a deadline which has already passed. The judge threatened Murray’s lawyers with hefty fines for failing to share evidence with prosecutors.

He told the attorneys for the pop icon’s personal physician that he would impose the fines or other sanctions on Wednesday (02Mar11) unless they met their legal obligation to turn over witness statements and expert reports to prosecutors.

Meanwhile, the judge has ordered Deputy District Attorney David Walgren to turn over digital photos from Jackson's autopsy as well as all of the surveillance tapes recorded at his home on the day he died.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: fordtocarr on March 01, 2011, 09:01:28 AM
I though as I read an article about this same subject a couple of days ago, that "they have the tapes"??
Someone prob. had them all along.  BUT...are they telling the DEFENSE to turn them over???  HOW'D the defense have them???  And whoever had them, how do we know they aren't doctored???
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: Jennie on March 01, 2011, 09:43:16 AM
The tapes did go missing apparently on 25-06-2009. If I had done something terribly wrong and I knew of the existence of evidence against me and panicked cause I did not want anyone to view the evidence before I could explain things myself I would go straight for the evidence and take it with me. Dr. Murray disappeared on june 25th 09 who knows perhaps he had the tapes with him and hung on to them cause he wasn't sure what to do with them or how to use them.   I am just saying this as it came to mind however please note that I am not saying wether I am against murray or on his side or nothing like that. I am still taking every pieces of puzzle being put out there and seeing if they fit together without knowing what the puzzle is supposed to look like.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: fordtocarr on March 01, 2011, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/conrad-murrays-lawyers-dont-have-the-budget-for-lengthy-michael-jackson-trial_1204586

Michael Jackson - Conrad Murray's Lawyers 'Don't Have The Budget' For Lengthy Michael Jackson Trial
01 March 2011 01:42  

Caption: Michael Firestone as Michael Jackson (Picture) THE REEL AWARDS - A Star-Studded Show Featuring Award-Winning Impersonators held at Golden Nugget Hotel and Casino Las Vegas, Nevada ....

Conrad Murray's Lawyers 'Don't Have The Budget' For Lengthy Michael Jackson Trial
           

Lawyers representing DR. CONRAD MURRAY have urged a judge not to delay the upcoming involuntary manslaughter trial into MICHAEL JACKSON's death - because they "don't have the budget" for lengthy court proceedings.



The medic stands accused of administering the drug Propofol which killed the King of Pop in June 2009.

The case is scheduled to begin on 24 March (11), but Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor could push back the start date of the trial after prosecutors called for a later hearing, according to the Associated Press.

Speaking on Monday (28Feb10), he said, "I am extremely distressed about the state of this case and whether the defense is prepared for trial and its obligations to Dr. Murray."

But Murray's legal team have appealed to Judge Pastor to keep 24 March as the start date - as they are running out of cash.

Defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan pleaded, "We need to go to trial right away. We don't have the budget that would let us draw this out."

Reports suggest prosecutors are objecting to the trial start date because they are entitled to receive discovery of defense evidence 30 days before trial starts - a deadline which has already passed. The judge threatened Murray’s lawyers with hefty fines for failing to share evidence with prosecutors.

He told the attorneys for the pop icon’s personal physician that he would impose the fines or other sanctions on Wednesday (02Mar11) unless they met their legal obligation to turn over witness statements and expert reports to prosecutors.

Meanwhile, the judge has ordered Deputy District Attorney David Walgren to turn over digital photos from Jackson's autopsy as well as all of the surveillance tapes recorded at his home on the day he died.
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So it's the DA who has the tapes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: suspicious mind on March 01, 2011, 10:47:57 AM
so is this saying that defence and procicution have evidence that each are supposed to notify the other of that they haven't? :?
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: jill on March 01, 2011, 10:48:19 AM
First they say the tapes have gone missing...then it was reported there were never any tapes made because Michael didn't like to filmed at home, now the D.A. has them?
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: jill on March 01, 2011, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
so is this saying that defence and procicution have evidence that each are supposed to notify the other of that they haven't? :?

Yes, under the law each side has to show the other all the evidence and testimonies from expert witnesses before the trial so each has the time to build their case.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: PureLove on March 01, 2011, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: "jill"
First they say the tapes have gone missing...then it was reported there were never any tapes made because Michael didn't like to filmed at home, now the D.A. has them?

The thing I read is; first the tapes were missing and then the police has them and now DA has them. Probably IF there's a tape for real, then the police took it first and then gave it to DA for the investigation.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: suspicious mind on March 01, 2011, 11:02:07 AM
so why the focus on the defense not holding anything back when apparently the prosecution is also?
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 01, 2011, 11:09:19 AM
Perhaps Michael or a family member had them and turned them over from jump.  The prosecuion possibly held onto this evidence until the discovery phase to be used as the smoking gun.  That's what I've been hoping all along. 8-)
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: jill on March 01, 2011, 11:19:28 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
so why the focus on the defense not holding anything back when apparently the prosecution is also?

Both sides always play this game.  Usually to gain more time, push the trial back to have more time to prepare.  Just odd that the defense is doing it when they say they want a speedy trial.  I think sometimes they do it hoping they won't get caught withholding evidence.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: jill on March 01, 2011, 11:22:28 AM
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "jill"
First they say the tapes have gone missing...then it was reported there were never any tapes made because Michael didn't like to filmed at home, now the D.A. has them?

The thing I read is; first the tapes were missing and then the police has them and now DA has them. Probably IF there's a tape for real, then the police took it first and then gave it to DA for the investigation.

Funny, I never heard that one.  So many things have been reported throughout this whole thing, no one knows what's truth and what's not.   I guess that's the point.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: PureLove on March 01, 2011, 11:31:46 AM
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "jill"
First they say the tapes have gone missing...then it was reported there were never any tapes made because Michael didn't like to filmed at home, now the D.A. has them?

The thing I read is; first the tapes were missing and then the police has them and now DA has them. Probably IF there's a tape for real, then the police took it first and then gave it to DA for the investigation.

Funny, I never heard that one.  So many things have been reported throughout this whole thing, no one knows what's truth and what's not.   I guess that's the point.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a tape at the trial. There can be a staged scene to make it look more real as a part of the show. Michael as the creator of this show, could definitely have staged a scene of it.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: curls on March 01, 2011, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: "PureLove"
I wouldn't be surprised to see a tape at the trial. There can be a staged scene to make it look more real as a part of the show. Michael as the creator of this show, could definitely have staged a scene of it.

Yes, that's true, many of us have been hoping the tapes would reveal 'the truth', whereas, in fact, if they ever come to light and are shown in court, they could just be more of MJ's illusion. We still won't be able to believe them!
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on March 01, 2011, 11:49:07 AM
OH My God...  :?  
The question is did Michael actually  live in Carolwood?? :?
I wonder what is on these tapes. Is it possible Mj had cameras in his room? Or rather we'll see the picture from the corridor or outside of the house...
I wouldn't be surprised if these tapes were actually taped in Full HD :D :D :D
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: jill on March 01, 2011, 11:51:24 AM
Verylittlesuzie, you are probably right about the HD part!  LOL
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: MissG on March 01, 2011, 12:05:33 PM
I want to see those tapes. Also, all the stuff LaToya took from the home, I want to se those as well.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: dragonflylilies on March 01, 2011, 12:31:22 PM
That is funny verylittlesusie.  I was getting ready to post if the video would be in HD, since everything is these days.  Is there a thread somewhere on here that says what channel the trial is to be on?  I need to set my DVR to record the days.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: lynnandsofee on March 01, 2011, 02:53:06 PM
I think the BIG news here is, the judge is requesting pic's of the autopsy !!!!  Is he questioning whether it truly was Michael?  Why would he want this ??? Hello
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 01, 2011, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: "lynnandsofee"
I think the BIG news here is, the judge is requesting pic's of the autopsy !!!!  Is he questioning whether it truly was Michael?  Why would he want this ??? Hello

I found that interesting too.  Why are they important if not to prove that this autopsy really belonged to whom they claim it belonged. 8-)
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: suspicious mind on March 01, 2011, 05:36:45 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Quote from: "lynnandsofee"
I think the BIG news here is, the judge is requesting pic's of the autopsy !!!!  Is he questioning whether it truly was Michael?  Why would he want this ??? Hello

I found that interesting too.  Why are they important if not to prove that this autopsy really belonged to whom they claim it belonged. 8-)


good question. what would they be needed for otherwise?
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 01, 2011, 05:55:38 PM
:D So much to digest in the last few days.  It’s as though we are being purposely given some fuel for our fires since it appears that of late, some were burning out.  I wonder who the supplier is? It’s like a subliminal message of don’t give up NOW.  We are ALMOST THERE :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on March 01, 2011, 06:27:24 PM
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "jill"
First they say the tapes have gone missing...then it was reported there were never any tapes made because Michael didn't like to filmed at home, now the D.A. has them?

The thing I read is; first the tapes were missing and then the police has them and now DA has them. Probably IF there's a tape for real, then the police took it first and then gave it to DA for the investigation.

Funny, I never heard that one.  So many things have been reported throughout this whole thing, no one knows what's truth and what's not.   I guess that's the point.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a tape at the trial. There can be a staged scene to make it look more real as a part of the show. Michael as the creator of this show, could definitely have staged a scene of it.
we all along think it was him in the tapes.  This is really very well orchastrated by Michael. He will deserve a million oscars for this one. Blessings.


I AGREE  with you. I think we will see another person who is not Michael in those tapes, and than we will see Michael coming out and he will say Gotcha...  :lol:
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: PureLove on March 01, 2011, 06:58:42 PM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
I wouldn't be surprised if these tapes were actually taped in Full HD :D :D :D

Same here  :lol:
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: nefari on March 01, 2011, 09:17:36 PM
I think it would be hilarious if all that was on the tapes is Michael jumping out of somewhere saying nothing but "Boo".
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: MJhasSpoken on March 01, 2011, 09:39:57 PM
I was going to say this earlier since one of you mentioned Carolwood I will put it here.

I went to see MJ's Carolwood home and when I got there I looked through the gate and someone in a black jacket was there and moved back as soon as they saw me...I am not saying it is MJ because he doesn't own that house but it was weird, there was also a car parked in the garage which is probably the owners car but the car looked like the shape of the red car in the ambulance photo, I couldn't see the colour of the car as it was covered.. Also another off topic weird thing is when I was driving to his house the ambulance number 71 came past with sirens on it moved super fast, then about 20min later I saw it parked back on sunset at the firestation.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: happythoughts on March 01, 2011, 10:38:27 PM
What I got from this article, Michael doesn't want the case to be delayed because he is ready to come back. :D  Wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: RunFaYaLife on March 02, 2011, 12:15:44 AM
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Meanwhile, the judge has ordered Deputy District Attorney David Walgren to turn over digital photos from Jackson's autopsy as well as all of the surveillance tapes recorded at his home on the day he died.

Seriously...that is pretty much standard in a Murder Trial.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: bec on March 02, 2011, 02:41:15 AM
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Meanwhile,the judge has ordered Deputy District Attorney David Walgren to turn over digital photos from Jackson's autopsy as well as all of the surveillance tapes recorded at his home on the day he died.

Digital photos of MJ's body in 2005 trial submitted as evidence. Reminder.

There were plenty of tapes from surveillance cameras in Carrolwood on 6/25/09, these are the tapes that the DA would have possession of... there's just no footage from the hours in question. That portion of the footage was either removed or never existed in the first place, as if the cameras were turned off, so it is "missing".
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: allforlove on March 02, 2011, 09:49:51 AM
Does anyone know if the looked for the camera's immediately? Because if they noticed it later woulded they have the family to ask about it?
I mean LaToya and i don't remember who else where there and removed all kind off things the smae day ort the day after if I recall that scene right. It just isn't right that they were never questioned about their behavior or were they?
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on March 03, 2011, 07:14:50 AM
I feel, if they have the tapes, it is not the ones in Michael's room. I am positive it has been removed, or as Michael said he did not like to have anything taped in his room. We shall see in in the trial. Imagine if they have the tape and it is Michael talking to us, saying he is alive somewhere, and not to worry about him? That would be spooky  :lol:
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: MissG on March 03, 2011, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: "allforlove"
Does anyone know if the looked for the camera's immediately? Because if they noticed it later woulded they have the family to ask about it?
I mean LaToya and i don't remember who else where there and removed all kind off things the smae day ort the day after if I recall that scene right. It just isn't right that they were never questioned about their behavior or were they?

Makes no sense that people can move freely in to the "crime scene" and collect items as LaToya did.

My guess: I have the impression that MJ had cameras all over the place for basic security reasons and also in his room, but may be that camera was not monitored by the security team, since I guess that MJ liked his privacy, he may be hold those tapes for review and may be people were not awared of the existance of a camera in that room on the 1st place.

How did the tapes reach the police? who gave the tapes?. So many questions.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: fordtocarr on March 03, 2011, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "allforlove"
Does anyone know if the looked for the camera's immediately? Because if they noticed it later woulded they have the family to ask about it?
I mean LaToya and i don't remember who else where there and removed all kind off things the smae day ort the day after if I recall that scene right. It just isn't right that they were never questioned about their behavior or were they?

Makes no sense that people can move freely in to the "crime scene" and collect items as LaToya did.

My guess: I have the impression that MJ had cameras all over the place for basic security reasons and also in his room, but may be that camera was not monitored by the security team, since I guess that MJ liked his privacy, he may be hold those tapes for review and may be people were not awared of the existance of a camera in that room on the 1st place.

How did the tapes reach the police? who gave the tapes?. So many questions.

Good questions, and I hope they are answered by Michael walking into the courtroom with the tapes in his hand and camera in the other, laughing.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: chloead505 on March 03, 2011, 04:21:13 PM
Ehm, excuse me...The tapes were never lost, in the first place. Either they were there all along or 'someone' released them. But dont believe for one second they actually got lost. LOL
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 03, 2011, 04:27:58 PM
Quote from: "chloead505"
Ehm, excuse me...The tapes were never lost, in the first place. Either they were there all along or 'someone' released them. But dont believe for one second they actually got lost. LOL

I agree wholeheartedly. Never “lost” excpet to those who were “looking” for them. ;)
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: chloead505 on March 03, 2011, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Quote from: "chloead505"
Ehm, excuse me...The tapes were never lost, in the first place. Either they were there all along or 'someone' released them. But dont believe for one second they actually got lost. LOL

I agree wholeheartedly. Never “lost” excpet to those who were “looking” for them. ;)

Absolutely! Btw, they're probably still looking :D
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 10, 2011, 09:47:40 PM
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
I feel, if they have the tapes, it is not the ones in Michael's room. I am positive it has been removed, or as Michael said he did not like to have anything taped in his room. We shall see in in the trial. Imagine if they have the tape and it is Michael talking to us, saying he is alive somewhere, and not to worry about him? That would be spooky  :lol:

Yes, but that doesn't necessarially mean that WE will be seeing the tapes, or the autopsy pictures.  For instance, in the O.J. trial, it was televised, but they didn't show the actual pictures of the bodies.  I doubt we will be seeing any pictures and I'll be surprised if we see any of the tapes.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: fordtocarr on March 11, 2011, 11:41:42 AM
That's what "lawyer" Harvey Levin said also.  The security tapes and autopsy pics will NOT be shown.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: MissG on March 11, 2011, 11:54:54 AM
Not viewing tapes or pics will be at the end the same to us. Going on with theories.
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: Integrity on March 13, 2011, 06:37:31 PM
This evidence should have been looked at just after his supposed death!
If MJ had cameras and they have them in there possesion than the tapes will reveal everything that was hapening in his room and all over the home, garage, driveway ect.....
I really do not know how they could have had these tapes and in the viewing of them was not able to either convict Dr Murray  caught in the act of murder & neglect or they have   proof that it was not MJ and it was someone else that had died that morning...
Title: Re: Security Tapes have been found???
Post by: MissG on March 15, 2011, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: "Integrity"
This evidence should have been looked at just after his supposed death!
If MJ had cameras and they have them in there possesion than the tapes will reveal everything that was hapening in his room and all over the home, garage, driveway ect.....
I really do not know how they could have had these tapes and in the viewing of them was not able to either convict Dr Murray  caught in the act of murder & neglect or they have   proof that it was not MJ and it was someone else that had died that morning...

In deed. The tapes hold the truth of what happened. Hopefully those have the bedroom image and hopefull is just a message from Michael to us.

I cannot get out of my head this movie  "The Life of David Gale"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_of_David_Gale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_of_David_Gale)


In a frenzy, she tries to get the evidence to the authorities in time to stop the execution. She arrives at the prison just as the warden announces that the execution has already been carried out. The tape is then released, causing a media and political uproar over the execution of an innocent man.

Bloom realizes that she has been manipulated by Gale and his associates, and that Gale, Harraway and Wright conspired to frame Gale in order to show that the death penalty can result in the execution of innocents. The film ends revealing that Gale had planned on being executed - he and Harraway both sacrificing their lives prematurely for their cause. The "Off the Record" tape effectively releases Bloom of guilt, as Gale did not intend for the suicide tape to arrive in time to stop his execution.

The set up makes sense. But M is not dead in this case, just proving how the justice can be putting in the death row innocent people.

Long ago we discussed this same issue in one of the threads related to the doggie autopsy.
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