Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: LiberianGirl on December 20, 2009, 03:48:14 PM
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Ok, I want to ask to poeple who live in America. I want to learn if Michael and his kids were in the spotlight so much just before the London conference and this hoax thing? Because in my country (I'm from Turkey btw) Michael wasn't on any media for about 7-8 years. How was the situation in America? Because if he and his kids were not in the media lately, I'm going to tell you something and I will ask you guys to look from this perspective.
Michael hided his kids very long time (since their birth) from the media. BUT he suddenly decided to show them to everyone just before his "death"! And the kids were in the spotlight again in the memorial and funeral. If Michael was going to hide forever and never comes back, would he push his kids under the spotlight just to hide himself? NO NEVER! We know how much he cares for his kids and he would do anything to protect them. If he wanted to keep on hiding the kids from the media he would have never ever shown their faces to nobody. The kids wouldn't be at the memorial or we would never know their faces. The kids are in the media all around the world. I don't believe in the theory that those kids are just decoys. Because we've seen them since they were born. No, those are Michael's real kids. Ok, here is the question:
If Michael is not going to come back never, why did he put the kids under the spotlight? He would never ever think like "Yes, I'm free finally and the media can mess with my kids". No way! Do I make any sense? So I think he is going to come back :)
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Yes he would have to be coming back unless they got to an age where they refused to put the masks on and then just after this happened.
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He didn't hide his kids since birth. He showed all of his children when they were toddlers, multiple times. Can also clearly tell all of them are the kids we see today at an older age.
Just a few times he did but most of the times they had masks on. Especially when they were getting out they were always masked.
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LiberianGirl and icebluestarlight, you might find the earlier thread I Know Why the Kid's IDs Were Revealed Weeks Before 6-25 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=410) helpful. It explains one theory about why Michael may have revealed the children's identities shortly before June 25, and I think there's a pretty good chance it may be correct.
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This is what I wonder. And you know... If any of us doubt he will come back... Why would Michael first expose his children to the media and then disappear? If he really wanted to live in privacy with his children the last thing he needed to do was to put their faces on TV and exploit them. How will he be able to live in private for the rest of his life now that everyone knows what his children looks like? This is what convinces me that Michael used his childen as tools in the hoax. He will be back. Because there is no way he would intentionally exploit his kids and then never come back. Him living anonymously whilst his children are exposed to media and dangers. Michael would never do that.
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As I've said before, be patient and he'll explain everything as to the whyS/whatS that has made him to be invisible for a while. He'll explain everything himself and his future plans for himself and his children.
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This is what I wonder. And you know... If any of us doubt he will come back... Why would Michael first expose his children to the media and then disappear? If he really wanted to live in privacy with his children the last thing he needed to do was to put their faces on TV and exploit them. How will he be able to live in private for the rest of his life now that everyone knows what his children looks like? This is what convinces me that Michael used his childen as tools in the hoax. He will be back. Because there is no way he would intentionally exploit his kids and then never come back. Him living anonymously whilst his children are exposed to media and dangers. Michael would never do that.
This is what exactly I wanted to mean. If he never showed their faces, nobody would know what the kids look like so he could go out with them easily. But this way everyone knows his kids and he can not go out as himself with the kids and this sounds like impossible to me. He can not hide in the rest of his life. This is one of the reasons why I started to think that he's coming back :)
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:) and he did say on geraldo that one day he would introduce his kids to the world ;) our mj is no fool :lol:
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:) and he did say on geraldo that one day he would introduce his kids to the world ;) our mj is no fool :lol:
And he also said on Geraldo that he is working on a movie project. ;)
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:) and he did say on geraldo that one day he would introduce his kids to the world ;) our mj is no fool :lol:
And he also said on Geraldo that he is working on a movie project. ;)
:D MICHAEL JACKSON GENIUS :D
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@LiberianGirl, have you had a change of heart today? Is just that last night you pointed out that you felt at peace as you has discovered a song Michael had done with Paul Mcartney with the words "I am alive and here forever" the same words as at the memorial and you said that you knew he wanted peace and he wasn't coming back. I have always thought he couldn't come back so I thought that was a really good observation.
I am not criticising you as many change their minds regarding this and we all have different moods but have you changed your mind? and if so why such a drastic change in one day?
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i agree i wanna right down the reasons why i think he'll come back
1. kids identity shown
2. loves his fans too much to leave us
3. always wants to be the best at what he does
4. likes to out smart people
5. justice getting truth out highlighting the liars/lies
I also think the extra ending after the credits on this is it was our confirmation of thisxxx
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4. likes to out smart people
Bingo!
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@LiberianGirl, have you had a change of heart today? Is just that last night you pointed out that you felt at peace as you has discovered a song Michael had done with Paul Mcartney with the words "I am alive and here forever" the same words as at the memorial and you said that you knew he wanted peace and he wasn't coming back. I have always thought he couldn't come back so I thought that was a really good observation.
I am not criticising you as many change their minds regarding this and we all have different moods but have you changed your mind? and if so why such a drastic change in one day?
I thought about his kids today and got this idea. I always have new ideas girl. And yes today I more believe that he will come back but I'm not sure of course :) I put my thougths on a weighing machine and for today "He's going to come back" side is heavier :)
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Reasons he cannot come back-sorry but we have to look at both sides.
1. Finances-he has made more money after "death" than for years and in a short space of time, as did Elvis. If he just retired he would still be hunted by the media but most of all even if he wasn't broke how long would his money last living as he has for years?-he has never lived normally such as you or I.
2. Age-he was nearly 51 years old, most retire at not much older.
3. Health-he wasn't as ill as the media/tabloids said but we know he had arthiritis, you could see on his hands. He also suffered for years with vitiligo and possibly other health problems.
4. Age-again the age factor. He did say he did not want to age and get old. Must be bad to age in front of the whole world, best to bow out and be remembered handsome and not wrinkly and decrepid.
5. Legal implications- members can say what they want but to hoax your death with financial gain is a criminal offence and he cannot claim ignorance on this as he was married to the Daughter of Elvis.
6. His family- Do you honestly think he would let his family announce his death and talk of his passing, hold a funeral and memorial to come back? To make the world know they are liars?
5. Hate- say what you want but for every one of his dedicated fans like us there are 20 or 30 people, probably more who are either indifferent or not fans who would hate him.
6. Media/tabloids-the court case in 05 will have seemed like a rehearsal compared to the wrath and hate he will receive from the media. He would return tenfold to the very BS that plauged and haunted him for years-the hate of the tabloids.
Still waiting for a return?
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4. likes to out smart people
Bingo!
Ahhh, yes he really outsmarted people in 93 and again in 05 didn't he? Child molestation accusations ring a bell? He was a victim and God knows how that made him feel. Michael was not the sort to outsmart people, he was a peaceful person, a man full of love and loving minds do not think like that.
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Reasons he cannot come back-sorry but we have to look at both sides.
1. Finances-he has made more money after "death" than for years and in a short space of time, as did Elvis. If he just retired he would still be hunted by the media but most of all even if he wasn't broke how long would his money last living as he has for years?-he has never lived normally such as you or I.
2. Age-he was nearly 51 years old, most retire at not much older.
3. Health-he wasn't as ill as the media/tabloids said but we know he had arthiritis, you could see on his hands. He also suffered for years with vitiligo and possibly other health problems.
4. Age-again the age factor. He did say he did not want to age and get old. Must be bad to age in front of the whole world, best to bow out and be remembered handsome and not wrinkly and decrepid.
5. Legal implications- members can say what they want but to hoax your death with financial gain is a criminal offence and he cannot claim ignorance on this as he was married to the Daughter of Elvis.
6. His family- Do you honestly think he would let his family announce his death and talk of his passing, hold a funeral and memorial to come back? To make the world know they are liars?
5. Hate- say what you want but for every one of his dedicated fans like us there are 20 or 30 people, probably more who are either indifferent or not fans who would hate him.
6. Media/tabloids-the court case in 05 will have seemed like a rehearsal compared to the wrath and hate he will receive from the media. He would return tenfold to the very BS that plauged and haunted him for years-the hate of the tabloids.
Still waiting for a return?
I agree with some of the things you wrote but today as I wrote yes, I still wait for him to return. I wrote why he would come back on my other post, so I don't need to write them all over again and today I found the kids issue as a plus :D
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Ahhh, yes he really outsmarted people in 93 and again in 05 didn't he? Child molestation accusations ring a bell? He was a victim and God knows how that made him feel. Michael was not the sort to outsmart people, he was a peaceful person, a man full of love and loving minds do not think like that.
I wasnt referring to his personal life. I was thinking more on his musicality and work related area. He did outsmart us in many aspects of film/music/producing/ and investing. I was thinking more that hoax was about outsmarting people who think he is dead.
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4. likes to out smart people
Bingo!
Ahhh, yes he really outsmarted people in 93 and again in 05 didn't he? Child molestation accusations ring a bell? He was a victim and God knows how that made him feel. Michael was not the sort to outsmart people, he was a peaceful person, a man full of love and loving minds do not think like that.
Girl I do respect what you think about his comeback issue but you seem so much frustrated when people say that they think that he will come back. Why do you insist so much that he won't come back. It's your thought, not a fact. Let everyone tell what they think about it and respect their thoughts.
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as for the media being a reason he would not come back i dont think so it was all over the media that he died did we believe NO.this has made us all question the media just look at the ruddish that has been reported about him since june we question everything right ;)
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as for the media being a reason he would not come back i dont think so it was all over the media that he died did we believe NO.this has made us all question the media just look at the ruddish that has been reported about him since june we question everything right ;)
agree and also the way he comes back is important. If he comes back with a witness protection Program, the media wouldn't be so harsh to him. And Michael is a fighter. He always fought with media, why would he stop now? Especially after showing them like stupid, after fooling them all. I'm sure that he will be so amazed to see their faces when he comes back :D
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Of course he will be back! I'm sure!And his childs can't wear mask untill the end of their lives!Prince says many times he doen't wear mask.I hope you understand what I wrote.Sorry for my english :roll:
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Reasons he cannot come back-sorry but we have to look at both sides.
1. Finances-he has made more money after "death" than for years and in a short space of time, as did Elvis. If he just retired he would still be hunted by the media but most of all even if he wasn't broke how long would his money last living as he has for years?-he has never lived normally such as you or I.
2. Age-he was nearly 51 years old, most retire at not much older.
3. Health-he wasn't as ill as the media/tabloids said but we know he had arthiritis, you could see on his hands. He also suffered for years with vitiligo and possibly other health problems.
4. Age-again the age factor. He did say he did not want to age and get old. Must be bad to age in front of the whole world, best to bow out and be remembered handsome and not wrinkly and decrepid.
5. Legal implications- members can say what they want but to hoax your death with financial gain is a criminal offence and he cannot claim ignorance on this as he was married to the Daughter of Elvis.
6. His family- Do you honestly think he would let his family announce his death and talk of his passing, hold a funeral and memorial to come back? To make the world know they are liars?
5. Hate- say what you want but for every one of his dedicated fans like us there are 20 or 30 people, probably more who are either indifferent or not fans who would hate him.
6. Media/tabloids-the court case in 05 will have seemed like a rehearsal compared to the wrath and hate he will receive from the media. He would return tenfold to the very BS that plauged and haunted him for years-the hate of the tabloids.
Still waiting for a return?
I agree with some of the things you wrote but today as I wrote yes, I still wait for him to return. I wrote why he would come back on my other post, so I don't need to write them all over again and today I found the kids issue as a plus :D
I tend to stick to what is always my opinion-no offence at all intended to any of you but there are some who tend to change their minds/outlooks/opinions from day to day and week to week and I know this has been a helluva roller coaster ride for us all but my views have always been consistant and I think if you are not so consistant with your opinion and you do change sometimes then your opinions cannot be strong enough to hold ground. BTW all members of my family , most who are not fans do think he is alive but when told of views that he can return their opinion is "no way" and "he cannot", if you want something enough you will start to believe-think about it.
Last but not least is one of the most important reasons why he cannot return and I should have added.
After the court case he was a broken man. Indeed he didn't even want to return to Neverland and in fact did not even want to be in the USA for a couple of years. He was never the same after the terrible accusations. What does he owe the world after that? Where were all his fans at that time? Even members on here have admitted to not knowing if he was guilty or not. they didn't appear in their hoards at the court like when he was at the height of fame, in fact by the end of the courtcase there were just handfuls of fans there for him. The media slaughtered him-he must have thought everyone had deserted him. And where were all his so called friends? even his own sister accused him.
How do we know he hasn't just metiphorically done a big one finger sign to the whole world? If he did- good on yer Michael. I don't blame you at all!! *ollocks to em all!!!
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Of course he will be back! I'm sure!And his childs can't wear mask untill the end of their lives!Prince says many times he doen't wear mask.I hope you understand what I wrote.Sorry for my english :roll:
:) UNDERSTOOD AND NO NEED TO SAY SORRY :)
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Reasons he cannot come back-sorry but we have to look at both sides.
1. Finances-he has made more money after "death" than for years and in a short space of time, as did Elvis. If he just retired he would still be hunted by the media but most of all even if he wasn't broke how long would his money last living as he has for years?-he has never lived normally such as you or I.
2. Age-he was nearly 51 years old, most retire at not much older.
3. Health-he wasn't as ill as the media/tabloids said but we know he had arthiritis, you could see on his hands. He also suffered for years with vitiligo and possibly other health problems.
4. Age-again the age factor. He did say he did not want to age and get old. Must be bad to age in front of the whole world, best to bow out and be remembered handsome and not wrinkly and decrepid.
5. Legal implications- members can say what they want but to hoax your death with financial gain is a criminal offence and he cannot claim ignorance on this as he was married to the Daughter of Elvis.
6. His family- Do you honestly think he would let his family announce his death and talk of his passing, hold a funeral and memorial to come back? To make the world know they are liars?
5. Hate- say what you want but for every one of his dedicated fans like us there are 20 or 30 people, probably more who are either indifferent or not fans who would hate him.
6. Media/tabloids-the court case in 05 will have seemed like a rehearsal compared to the wrath and hate he will receive from the media. He would return tenfold to the very BS that plauged and haunted him for years-the hate of the tabloids.
Still waiting for a return?
I agree with some of the things you wrote but today as I wrote yes, I still wait for him to return. I wrote why he would come back on my other post, so I don't need to write them all over again and today I found the kids issue as a plus :D
I tend to stick to what is always my opinion-no offence at all intended to any of you but there are some who tend to change their minds/outlooks/opinions from day to day and week to week and I know this has been a helluva roller coaster ride for us all but my views have always been consistant and I think if you are not so consistant with your opinion and you do change sometimes then your opinions cannot be strong enough to hold ground. BTW all members of my family , most who are not fans do think he is alive but when told of views that he can return their opinion is "no way" and "he cannot", if you want something enough you will start to believe-think about it.
Last but not least is one of the most important reasons why he cannot return and I should have added.
After the court case he was a broken man. Indeed he didn't even want to return to Neverland and in fact did not even want to be in the USA for a couple of years. He was never the same after the terrible accusations. What does he owe the world after that? Where were all his fans at that time? Even members on here have admitted to not knowing if he was guilty or not. they didn't appear in their hoards at the court like when he was at the height of fame, in fact by the end of the courtcase there were just handfuls of fans there for him. The media slaughtered him-he must have thought everyone had deserted him. And where were all his so called friends? even his own sister accused him.
How do we know he hasn't just metiphorically done a big one finger sign to the whole world? If he did- good on yer Michael. I don't blame you at all!! *ollocks to em all!!!
We never said that Michael owes us this, and we never said that's the reason why he needs to come back. (At least I never did) He doesn't owe nobody nothing. That would be such a selfish thought. But I believe that he did this for various reasons and to complete this mission he may come back. That's what I'm saying. I believe that whatever he does after this time, he will do it for him, for his family and for his fans. Not for only himself or for his kids or for us. Michael thinks so wide. He thinks the world. It does matter why exatly he did this. I want him to be happy. If he doesn't come back and be happy, that's ok with me but if he comes back and be happy, that would be great.
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Girl I do respect what you think about his comeback issue but you seem so much frustrated when people say that they think that he will come back. Why do you insist so much that he won't come back. It's your thought, not a fact. Let everyone tell what they think about it and respect their thoughts.
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I am frustrated! Most are writing WHEN he comes back, not IF he comes back. They are even saying what to say to their families/friends etc when he DOES come back. I am just being realistic and giving reasons why he cant return and not saying he WONT. there is a difference. I do respect others ideas but I do not think their reasons for a return hold much foundation thats all. I hope in a way I am wrong as I would love to see him back but then with the hate he will have to endure if he does will be sickening and heartbreaking to see. I just will not be too disappointed if he doesn't return thats all. This forum is so we can all share our opinions etc. Do you honestly want me to just lie and agree with everyone and say"oh yes, of course he will return" when in my heart I do not think he will. That would be hypocrytical. So you are saying it is ok to post as long as it is what everyone wants to hear? That we should not have an opinion of our own and not try to discuss in an honest way? You all want agreeing members with no minds of their own? Apart from not being a way to get to the truth it will be very boring to say the least. The posts which are the most enlightening and informative are the ones who are questioning each others theories. I love to read difference of opinions and to read members explaining their ideas in a constructive way. I have never been abusive in any of my posts and never will be so please give me the right to have my say.BTW-it was only last night you yourself was saying he cannot return-at least I am consistant.
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I do respect others ideas but I do not think their reasons for a return hold much foundation thats all.
Maybe others think that your reasons don't hold much foundations for not coming back :) That's the reason why I found your reaction weird. Our reasons can be enough for us. That's what I asked you to respect.
Do you honestly want me to just lie and agree with everyone and say"oh yes, of course he will return" when in my heart I do not think he will.
No nobody wrote you to lie but you just insist so much. You keep on writing the same things. And you expect us to accept what you think. And when we don't, you get frustrated. You don't need to judge them like they're NOT realistic or etc. We're all realistic here and we try to think every clue, every probability. You gave your reasons, ok we got that but why need to insist like trying to make us believe what you say. It's great that you're consistant but you can not blame me or others if we haven't made a decision about it or made a decision on the opposite of yours.
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I do respect others ideas but I do not think their reasons for a return hold much foundation thats all.
Maybe others think that your reasons don't hold much foundations for not coming back :) That's the reason why I found your reaction weird. Our reasons can be enough for us. That's what I asked you to respect.
Do you honestly want me to just lie and agree with everyone and say"oh yes, of course he will return" when in my heart I do not think he will.
No nobody wrote you to lie but you just insist so much. You keep on writing the same things. And you expect us to accept what you think. And when we don't, you get frustrated. You don't need to judge them like they're NOT realistic or etc. We're all realistic here and we try to think every clue, every probability. You gave your reasons, ok we got that but why need to insist like trying to make us believe what you say. It's great that you're consistant but you can not blame me or others if they haven't made a decision about it or made a decision on the opposite of your thought.
It does work both ways you know-You all keep writing the same things-oh no excuse me but you change your mind-some days you are with me and say he will not return and other days he will-at least I stick to my same opinion. We are all giving reasons why and why he cannot come back-is interesting to read. We all have different opinions and I read all reasons to and for his return. My Mum (who is very wise) has always said if you give a strong good opinion then people get angry, perhaps this is the reason you first criticised me?
Please remember that it was only last night that you posted a very valid and interesting theory on why you thought Michael would not be back and that you knew he was safe and alive you had found peace. I thought it sounded very sincere and I was truly happy that one of our members had found a closure and peace. Can you possibly imagine my reaction and horror when I read less than 24 hours later you have completely changed your mind? You are so sincere in the things you post that one day later your opinion is the opposite! Hmmmm............. nuff said!!!
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Girl I do respect what you think about his comeback issue but you seem so much frustrated when people say that they think that he will come back. Why do you insist so much that he won't come back. It's your thought, not a fact. Let everyone tell what they think about it and respect their thoughts.
I am frustrated! Most are writing WHEN he comes back, not IF he comes back. They are even saying what to say to their families/friends etc when he DOES come back. I am just being realistic and giving reasons why he cant return and not saying he WONT. there is a difference. I do respect others ideas but I do not think their reasons for a return hold much foundation thats all. I hope in a way I am wrong as I would love to see him back but then with the hate he will have to endure if he does will be sickening and heartbreaking to see. I just will not be too disappointed if he doesn't return thats all. This forum is so we can all share our opinions etc. Do you honestly want me to just lie and agree with everyone and say"oh yes, of course he will return" when in my heart I do not think he will. That would be hypocrytical. So you are saying it is ok to post as long as it is what everyone wants to hear? That we should not have an opinion of our own and not try to discuss in an honest way? You all want agreeing members with no minds of their own? Apart from not being a way to get to the truth it will be very boring to say the least. The posts which are the most enlightening and informative are the ones who are questioning each others theories. I love to read difference of opinions and to read members explaining their ideas in a constructive way. I have never been abusive in any of my posts and never will be so please give me the right to have my say.BTW-it was only last night you yourself was saying he cannot return-at least I am consistant.[/quote]
All I want to say to this Harleyblonde is HALLELUJA.
(and that goes for your other post to)
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I do respect others ideas but I do not think their reasons for a return hold much foundation thats all.
Maybe others think that your reasons don't hold much foundations for not coming back :) That's the reason why I found your reaction weird. Our reasons can be enough for us. That's what I asked you to respect.
Do you honestly want me to just lie and agree with everyone and say"oh yes, of course he will return" when in my heart I do not think he will.
No nobody wrote you to lie but you just insist so much. You keep on writing the same things. And you expect us to accept what you think. And when we don't, you get frustrated. You don't need to judge them like they're NOT realistic or etc. We're all realistic here and we try to think every clue, every probability. You gave your reasons, ok we got that but why need to insist like trying to make us believe what you say. It's great that you're consistant but you can not blame me or others if they haven't made a decision about it or made a decision on the opposite of your thought.
It does work both ways you know-You all keep writing the same things-oh no excuse me but you change your mind-some days you are with me and say he will not return and other days he will-at least I stick to my same opinion. We are all giving reasons why and why he cannot come back-is interesting to read. We all have different opinions and I read all reasons to and for his return. My Mum (who is very wise) has always said if you give a strong good opinion then people get angry, perhaps this is the reason you first criticised me?
Please remember that it was only last night that you posted a very valid and interesting theory on why you thought Michael would not be back and that you knew he was safe and alive you had found peace. I thought it sounded very sincere and I was truly happy that one of our members had found a closure and peace. Can you possibly imagine my reaction and horror when I read less than 24 hours later you have completely changed your mind? You are so sincere in the things you post that one day later your opinion is the opposite! Hmmmm............. nuff said!!!
Actually I made that post on the first hand because I became sure that he's alive and thought that he is not coming back because of its lyrics. When we had the same opinion about his comeback you were about to hug me but now I have an opposite thought and you want to punch me. It's my thought geez! It's non of your business what I think. You can not judge me or blame me for having different ideas. It doesn't make you wise or realistic to stick to your opinion. It makes you obsessed. Try to be objective and think both sides. You say that you respect other's opinion but it seems like you don't know what respect is.
This is the last time I'm writing to you about this issue. And this topic is NOT about if he's coming back or not. I had another topic for that. This was about his kids and a possibility of him to come back because of them. You changed the subject and ruined my post too. Hope you learn how to respect others. Ohh and btw I'm sincere always. It's just your problem if you hesitate about it.
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Actually I made that post on the first hand because I became sure that he's alive and thought that he is not coming back because of its lyrics. When we had the same opinion about his comeback you were about to hug me but now I have an opposite thought and you want to punch me. It's my thought geez! It's non of your business what I think. You can not judge me or blame me for having different ideas. It doesn't make you wise or realistic to stick to your opinion. You say that you respect other's opinion but it seems like you don't know what respect is.
This is the last time I'm writing to you about this issue. And this topic is NOT about if he's coming back or not. I had another topic for that. This was about his kids and a possibility of him to come back because of them. You changed the subject and ruined my post too. Hope you learn how to respect others. Ohh and btw I'm sincere always. It's just your problem if you hesitate about it.
Now you are being completely irrational. First off it was you who first criticised me in this thread because I gave what I believe to be good solid reasons why Michael cannot come back. What do you mean that I want to punch you? I have never hit anyone in my life and hope I never will and what do you mean I was ready to hug you last night? if you were here now with me I would hug and greet you and make you welcome. Please do not say I do not know what respect is -it is you who are getting angry and suggesting I hold aggression towards you. I am not judging you at all-please read my earlier posts. I did not ruin your post-(you don't need any help for that!) we are not in the playground! If you do not want opinions then why post?
It really is a shame if we cannot state our point of view without this unfounded aggression and I am sorry but I do not want to get involved with any arguements at all. I don't and do not want to hate anyone or have hate and bitterness in my heart and please do not assume you know what sort of a person I am because I cannot have the same opinions as you. You do not have to explain yourself to me or anyone-its just I was astounded to see you had changed your mind. Remember that to feel love is much more fulfilling than to feel hate. Take care.
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After all the clues and the movie, especially the after credit part, and this kids issue, i can believe everything but not that he never had a plan for coming back! All of this just indicates a come back. Come back as in coming back and announce that he's alive, not performing. I'm not sure if he would perform again or not, but all the things i stated above just tell that he will reappear and reveal it. And may be a few shows for public demand? Who knows if he wants to perform again, he's not THAT old as some members are trying to make him look like.
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After all the clues and the movie, especially the after credit part, and this kids issue, i can believe everything but not that he never had a plan for coming back! All of this just indicates a come back. Come back as in coming back and announce that he's alive, not performing. I'm not sure if he would perform again or not, but all the things i stated above just tell that he will reappear and reveal it. And may be a few shows for public demand? Who knows if he wants to perform again, he's not THAT old as some members are trying to make him look like.
I agree with you too. He's only 51 and in a good shape. Most of the singers at the age of 51 doesn't retire. I don't know if he will perform and it isn't important. We know how much he hates to tour also. I just want him to be happy. And yes, I think he is coming back :)
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Thanks liberiangirl, i agree with you in all the above posts. Also about changing our minds, we all are living probably in the toughest period of our lives so far, our psychology may differ at times. We are just fans, we don't know everything. Everyday we get to know more clues, more informations that can ofcurse change our opinions sometimes. There's nothing wrong about that.
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Thanks liberiangirl, i agree with you in all the above posts. Also about changing our minds, we all are living probably in the toughest period of our lives so far, our psychology may differ at times. We are just fans, we don't know everything. Everyday we get to know more clues, more informations that can ofcurse change our opinions sometimes. There's nothing wrong about that.
Thank you Farhat. Nobody can judge others because of their thoughts and noone should expect people to accept his or her idea. You don't have a right to blame people if they don't think like you. Everyday we find different things and this make us to change our ideas and this is so normal. We shouldn't stick to anything because that prevents us to see other things or antyhing other than that. There's a story growing with new clues and findings everyday.
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Thanks liberiangirl, i agree with you in all the above posts. Also about changing our minds, we all are living probably in the toughest period of our lives so far, our psychology may differ at times. We are just fans, we don't know everything. Everyday we get to know more clues, more informations that can ofcurse change our opinions sometimes. There's nothing wrong about that.
Thank you Farhat. Nobody can judge others because of their thoughts and noone should expect people to accept his or her idea. You don't have a right to blame people if they don't think like you. Everyday we find different things and this make us to change our ideas and this is so normal. We shouldn't stick to anything because that prevents us to see other things or antyhing other than that. There's a story growing with new clues and findings everyday.
There's a story growing with new clues and findings everyday. So true. So true. I have just been observing ;)
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Like a very careful daddy Michael thought about his children future and, being Michael Jackson's children could have helped them in their future lives and careers. And everybody had to know that they are HIS children , not another ones !!!
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sorry.kind of late with this.:|i will go back on topic later.@Harleyblonde~I would actually consider what you are saying if you werent being so pushy and desperate.You are a little too fixed on the thought of mj not coming back that it makes your theory or whatever very exxagerated or sort of fixed with negativity to prove your point.The more you push,the more lame it gets.You justify it as being "strong opinionated" but sorry,its not.That is basically being narrowminded.no offense.I dont think people would be as mad as you are suggesting because i can already see TONS of his younger new fans being thrilled instead of living with the feeling that they missed out and thats just 1 example.Actually instead of being mad,many people would feel indescribable and not know what to think. Age and health is a dumb reason not to comeback also.i dont see mj as being a shallow person.You claim that people have weak foundations for their opinions?hah err psych,you really need to reevaluate your own girlfriend.
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sorry.kind of late with this.:|i will go back on topic later.@Harleyblonde~I would actually consider what you are saying if you werent being so pushy and desperate.You are a little too fixed on the thought of mj not coming back that it makes your theory or whatever very exxagerated or sort of fixed with negativity to prove your point.The more you push,the more lame it gets.You justify it as being "strong opinionated" but sorry,its not.That is basically being narrowminded.no offense.I dont think people would be as mad as you are suggesting because i can already see TONS of his younger new fans being thrilled instead of living with the feeling that they missed out and thats just 1 example.Actually instead of being mad,many people would feel indescribable and not know what to think. Age and health is a dumb reason not to comeback also.i dont see mj as being a shallow person.You claim that people have weak foundations for their opinions?hah err psych,you really need to reevaluate your own girlfriend.
i soooo agree!! specially with the part in bold. i myself am one of them i'd say. though i grew up listening to him, i always thought i actually missed him out. i wasn't even born when he was having a glorious successful era. :cry: i always wanted a come back of him, but that would never be the reason for me to want him to return, that would be really selfish. neither do i expect him to be back cause i think i missed him out. that's my bad luck and there's nothing that can be done about it. still there are A LOT of new fans (the very young generation) would be thrilled to have him back. he had fans before the june 25, but i bet the number of his fans increased atleast to a billion after that. and these fans are the young boys and girls who would be welcoming him with extreme bliss. i know i'm getting away from the topic, i' apologize to LiberianGirl for that :oops: but i thought i should share my opinion about this. the world would not be AS MAD AS Harleyblonde is saying if he comes back with the WPP. there are more lovers than haters. i agree with the part too where you said mostly people would not know what to think. it's not like the media is waiting for him to return and then they'll jump over him instantly. for some reason, i think, things will be normal in about a year. paparazzies can always bark around, Michael isn't afraid of that, neither are we.
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sorry.kind of late with this.:|i will go back on topic later.@Harleyblonde~I would actually consider what you are saying if you werent being so pushy and desperate.You are a little too fixed on the thought of mj not coming back that it makes your theory or whatever very exxagerated or sort of fixed with negativity to prove your point.The more you push,the more lame it gets.You justify it as being "strong opinionated" but sorry,its not.That is basically being narrowminded.no offense.I dont think people would be as mad as you are suggesting because i can already see TONS of his younger new fans being thrilled instead of living with the feeling that they missed out and thats just 1 example.Actually instead of being mad,many people would feel indescribable and not know what to think. Age and health is a dumb reason not to comeback also.i dont see mj as being a shallow person.You claim that people have weak foundations for their opinions?hah err psych,you really need to reevaluate your own girlfriend.
i soooo agree!! specially with the part in bold. i myself am one of them i'd say. though i grew up listening to him, i always thought i actually missed him out. i wasn't even born when he was having a glorious successful era. :cry: i always wanted a come back of him, but that would never be the reason for me to want him to return, that would be really selfish. neither do i expect him to be back cause i think i missed him out. that's my bad luck and there's nothing that can be done about it. still there are A LOT of new fans (the very young generation) would be thrilled to have him back. he had fans before the june 25, but i bet the number of his fans increased atleast to a billion after that. and these fans are the young boys and girls who would be welcoming him with extreme bliss. i know i'm getting away from the topic, i' apologize to LiberianGirl for that :oops: but i thought i should share my opinion about this. the world would not be AS MAD AS Harleyblonde is saying if he comes back with the WPP. there are more lovers than haters. i agree with the part too where you said mostly people would not know what to think. it's not like the media is waiting for him to return and then they'll jump over him instantly. for some reason, i think, things will be normal in about a year. paparazzies can always bark around, Michael isn't afraid of that, neither are we.
he had fans before the june 25, but i bet the number of his fans increased atleast to a billion after that. and these fans are the young boys and girls who would be welcoming him with extreme bliss
yeah you're right .. I'm one of them .. Honestly I'm not michael's fan before 25 June .. :(
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sorry.kind of late with this.:|i will go back on topic later.@Harleyblonde~I would actually consider what you are saying if you werent being so pushy and desperate.You are a little too fixed on the thought of mj not coming back that it makes your theory or whatever very exxagerated or sort of fixed with negativity to prove your point.The more you push,the more lame it gets.You justify it as being "strong opinionated" but sorry,its not.That is basically being narrowminded.no offense.I dont think people would be as mad as you are suggesting because i can already see TONS of his younger new fans being thrilled instead of living with the feeling that they missed out and thats just 1 example.Actually instead of being mad,many people would feel indescribable and not know what to think. Age and health is a dumb reason not to comeback also.i dont see mj as being a shallow person.You claim that people have weak foundations for their opinions?hah err psych,you really need to reevaluate your own girlfriend.
I am neither pushy nor desperate. Far from it-I am very laid back and feel no need at all to insult and slam people at all and never will. I am not narrowminded either, if your idea of narrowmindedness is evaluating everything for many many hours, working it all out in your head and then reaching a decision which sounds logical to yourself and sticking to that conclusion-then yes I am. Also age and health is a great consideration in this scenario-Michael himself said he didn't want to grow old and at 50 all are prone to wrinkles, sagging, grey hair, slowing down and well...... aging. Why are you being nasty to me? Why insult me and then say "no offense"? - of course it is offensive. Just because I do not agree to the opinions that you want to believe. Is it because you do not want to read anything regarding the possibility of him not coming back? Is it because it doesn't fit in with your perfect theories and threads where everyoneone agrees that he will return? I am sorry for you if feel the need to slam me but I have every right to state what I believe as you have, it's just we have opposite opinions and if you cannot agree to disagree without being hostlie and abusive then it is sad. I refuse to get into an arguement and retaliate by insulting you as you have me-I think your post to me will show how very out of order this is. Please try to post without insults.
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Harleyblond thank you for (again) your wise words.
I was just writing a post about this but there is no need for it anymore now.
I hope everyone gets the message.
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Ok, I want to ask to poeple who live in America. I want to learn if Michael and his kids were in the spotlight so much just before the London conference and this hoax thing? Because in my country (I'm from Turkey btw) Michael wasn't on any media for about 7-8 years. How was the situation in America? Because if he and his kids were not in the media lately, I'm going to tell you something and I will ask you guys to look from this perspective.
Michael hided his kids very long time (since their birth) from the media. BUT he suddenly decided to show them to everyone just before his "death"! And the kids were in the spotlight again in the memorial and funeral. If Michael was going to hide forever and never comes back, would he push his kids under the spotlight just to hide himself? NO NEVER! We know how much he cares for his kids and he would do anything to protect them. If he wanted to keep on hiding the kids from the media he would have never ever shown their faces to nobody. The kids wouldn't be at the memorial or we would never know their faces. The kids are in the media all around the world. I don't believe in the theory that those kids are just decoys. Because we've seen them since they were born. No, those are Michael's real kids. Ok, here is the question:
If Michael is not going to come back never, why did he put the kids under the spotlight? He would never ever think like "Yes, I'm free finally and the media can mess with my kids". No way! Do I make any sense? So I think he is going to come back :)
America is a continent who have 35 countries . I think, you want to say EEUU, becouse Im from America too. :D :D :D
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Please try to post without insults.[/b]
Harleyblond thank you for (again) your wise words.
I was just writing a post about this but there is no need for it anymore now.
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Thank you for your support, very much appreciated.
As I said earlier I refuse to get into petty squabbling and we are all here as we want answers and feel the need to seek the truth and we should all stick together. It just seems to me that if one does not post wonderful posts of what some members want to hear "all is rosy in the garden", "Michael is sure to return and we can all get back to normal", "Michael would not do this to his fans, was just like when he was in his 30's/didn't age" bla bla bla-(you get the gist) then members get very defensive and angry. I know it is not what they want to hear but some of us are more realistic. This is real life, not a fairy tale, may not have a happy ending. I cannot imagine the agony and heartache Michael has gone through since 05, why sweep all that under the carpet? I have noticed that many seem afraid to post what they really think-some have said they are "very sorry BUT" , then gone on to state their opinion and this means they are afraid of the backlash and this is sad. One should never be afraid to state an honest opinion.....how boring would it be if we all thought the same? and would it get us any answers?
I have always stood up for what I believe in, in all walks of life and will continue to do so. I will not be intimidated.To throw insults is doing no harm to anyone but the person doing it.
Thanks again and God bless you.
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I have a question and maybe someone here can help me out. A few years ago, my daughter's stepmom and I had a huge falling out. My daughter had pictures of her half-brother on her myspace and the stepmom said that she wanted all images of her child removed from my childs account. I thought she was just being bitchy so I ignored it. She then had her attorney contact us to let us know that ANY images of children, regardless of the relation, had to have parental approval before they could be posted in a public forum and that if we didn't remove them then we would be sued.
Now, with that being said, wouldn't Michael have had to have given some sort of authorization for the photos of his children to be printed or couldn't he have in turn sued the tabloid that posted them?
Since really we had not heard much from Michael publicly it strikes me as odd that one photographer knew that his kids would be at the studio with him on the day that the first unmasked photos were taken. Wonder if he used his "friend" again? You know, the one who took the famous ambulance shot!
Just a thought :?: :!: :?:
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:) and he did say on geraldo that one day he would introduce his kids to the world ;) our mj is no fool :lol:
And he also said on Geraldo that he is working on a movie project. ;)
AND HE SAID THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL! ;)
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sorry.kind of late with this.:|i will go back on topic later.@Harleyblonde~I would actually consider what you are saying if you werent being so pushy and desperate.You are a little too fixed on the thought of mj not coming back that it makes your theory or whatever very exxagerated or sort of fixed with negativity to prove your point.The more you push,the more lame it gets.You justify it as being "strong opinionated" but sorry,its not.That is basically being narrowminded.no offense.I dont think people would be as mad as you are suggesting because i can already see TONS of his younger new fans being thrilled instead of living with the feeling that they missed out and thats just 1 example.Actually instead of being mad,many people would feel indescribable and not know what to think. Age and health is a dumb reason not to comeback also.i dont see mj as being a shallow person.You claim that people have weak foundations for their opinions?hah err psych,you really need to reevaluate your own girlfriend.
i soooo agree!! specially with the part in bold. i myself am one of them i'd say. though i grew up listening to him, i always thought i actually missed him out. i wasn't even born when he was having a glorious successful era. :cry: i always wanted a come back of him, but that would never be the reason for me to want him to return, that would be really selfish. neither do i expect him to be back cause i think i missed him out. that's my bad luck and there's nothing that can be done about it. still there are A LOT of new fans (the very young generation) would be thrilled to have him back. he had fans before the june 25, but i bet the number of his fans increased atleast to a billion after that. and these fans are the young boys and girls who would be welcoming him with extreme bliss. i know i'm getting away from the topic, i' apologize to LiberianGirl for that :oops: but i thought i should share my opinion about this. the world would not be AS MAD AS Harleyblonde is saying if he comes back with the WPP. there are more lovers than haters. i agree with the part too where you said mostly people would not know what to think. it's not like the media is waiting for him to return and then they'll jump over him instantly. for some reason, i think, things will be normal in about a year. paparazzies can always bark around, Michael isn't afraid of that, neither are we.
No apology needed hon. I'm open to every opinion as long as people don't push others to believe and support their opinion ;)
Today I found something else that makes me think that he will come back ;) :D I'll make a post. :D
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I have a question and maybe someone here can help me out. A few years ago, my daughter's stepmom and I had a huge falling out. My daughter had pictures of her half-brother on her myspace and the stepmom said that she wanted all images of her child removed from my childs account. I thought she was just being bitchy so I ignored it. She then had her attorney contact us to let us know that ANY images of children, regardless of the relation, had to have parental approval before they could be posted in a public forum and that if we didn't remove them then we would be sued.
Now, with that being said, wouldn't Michael have had to have given some sort of authorization for the photos of his children to be printed or couldn't he have in turn sued the tabloid that posted them?
Since really we had not heard much from Michael publicly it strikes me as odd that one photographer knew that his kids would be at the studio with him on the day that the first unmasked photos were taken. Wonder if he used his "friend" again? You know, the one who took the famous ambulance shot!
Just a thought :?: :!: :?:
hmmm interesting. and yes that's a possibility for him to call Mr "That day and the other d... ummm" lol :D
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@Harleyblonde~that is pretty sad how you have to turn it into one of those "oooh!you insulted me!" things when i truely wasnt trying to.i just thought that type of thinking was narrowminded,NOT necessarily YOU, but if you believe it describes you so much then fine.woops/sorry if i come off as rude.seriously,you arent coming off as laid back AT ALL and now you accuse me of not wanting to listen,basically suggesting that i am ignorant.WTH?i AM listening to you but the problem is that You try too hard to convince people and it sure does show.1st You disrupt a discussion and even throw ppl,including me off~track.Sorry but i sense a bit of hypocrasy from your response.slam you and your theories?i just dont agree with the way that you are coming at people.Look i dont want to grow older either so i am going to be compelled to hoax my death and not want to comeback either.just because he said that doesnt mean it would automatically be a reason for him Not to comeback.hassling...lol.rofl.gotta stop 4 now.
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Today I found something else that makes me think that he will come back ;) :D I'll make a post. Hope NOBODY ruins it again lol :D
what's the post?? k i'll try and find. and yeah, Hope NOBODY ruins it again lol :D
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Look i dont want to grow older either so i am going to be compelled to hoax my death and not want to comeback either.just because he said that doesnt mean it would automatically be a reason for him Not to comeback.hassling...lol.rofl.gotta stop 4 now.
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Reasons he cannot come back-sorry but we have to look at both sides.
1. Finances-he has made more money after "death" than for years and in a short space of time, as did Elvis. If he just retired he would still be hunted by the media but most of all even if he wasn't broke how long would his money last living as he has for years?-he has never lived normally such as you or I.
2. Age-he was nearly 51 years old, most retire at not much older.
3. Health-he wasn't as ill as the media/tabloids said but we know he had arthiritis, you could see on his hands. He also suffered for years with vitiligo and possibly other health problems.
4. Age-again the age factor. He did say he did not want to age and get old. Must be bad to age in front of the whole world, best to bow out and be remembered handsome and not wrinkly and decrepid.
5. Legal implications- members can say what they want but to hoax your death with financial gain is a criminal offence and he cannot claim ignorance on this as he was married to the Daughter of Elvis.
6. His family- Do you honestly think he would let his family announce his death and talk of his passing, hold a funeral and memorial to come back? To make the world know they are liars?
5. Hate- say what you want but for every one of his dedicated fans like us there are 20 or 30 people, probably more who are either indifferent or not fans who would hate him.
6. Media/tabloids-the court case in 05 will have seemed like a rehearsal compared to the wrath and hate he will receive from the media. He would return tenfold to the very BS that plauged and haunted him for years-the hate of the tabloids.
Still waiting for a return?
Im sorry i see where ur coming from but my answers to yours:
1. true he has made a lot of money, but im quite sure MJ has enough to last him a life time upon his return...think about it he own His Music and Videos...he owns the Beatles cataloge pretty two of the biggest things he owns (himself and the beatles) so finacial wise hes straight...and i truely believe if he come back he'll mke even more money from the love and miss from his fans...
2. i dnt get wat ur saying but from wat i think ur saying MJ has a choice to retire if he come back and hang up his dancing shoes fine but if not GREAT i believe MJ can go for at least another 10yrs if not more..he dont give up that easy but 1 reason y i think he would retire is because he said he doesnt wanna die on stage(meaning he dont want to die not retired)...he can come back and till retire
3. Yes true, MJ does have health problems However he also takes very good care of himself...but if health is the issue ok he can Retire his fans would undersand
4. Your right he did say that.....but simple like hes done for 7-8 years he can stay out of public eye just explain to fans whats going on and show up here and there bt h dont have to b in the publics eye everyday of his life...
5. It Is NOT illegal to have fans that love you a lil more......thats like saying Beyonce said "Im gonna retire" every1 runs to buy her CD and stuff she makes a few extra buck then comeback and say "i decided not to retire" is illegal.......Its the same thing with Michael announcing his final Concert..Fans went out and bought his CDz and Dvdz and everything then no show...thats not Illegal Im sorry.....and ny other finacial situation like the Memorial and funeral cos and eveything was all paid for by Michael's estate in other words Michael....he didnt collect any insurance nor did the kids or family...the allowance comes from Michael's estate hence Michael himself....He committed NOTHING Illegal....lies? Yes...rude? certainly...but knowing Michael its a damn good reason y he did wat he did
6. Yes i would believe it for the simple fact that #1 DOCTORS or DETECTIVES r suppose to announce a death Officially so that was no accident or anything....as far as funeral and things well.....i simply call it Protecting my family....Blood is thicker than water so if the family had to do whatever to protect their sibling then they gotta do what they gotta do....Presenting them as liars??? No i like Protectors.....
7. I believe his TRUE fans would understand WHY he did this......especially if u wanna get an important message across or u just wanna protect ur life
8. Now i see where u stand........The Media wont mean Shyt to ANY1 after his return because this would totally BLOW UP in there faces, They would b exposed as the Liars they r in the worst way possible, and pretty much they would have to confess that everything they reported about MJ's "death" was a lie that THEY created....then wen they try and tell a story who still gonna tune in??????
So in other words....YES I'm still waiting for a Return :)
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5. It Is NOT illegal to have fans that love you a lil more......thats like saying Beyonce said "Im gonna retire" every1 runs to buy her CD and stuff she makes a few extra buck then comeback and say "i decided not to retire" is illegal
I think Jay-Z and Michael are both in this category. :lol:
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The only time I ever saw the children was when they had a mask or scarf over their face. I'm in the US, btw. Michael had also not been seen on TV for several years before his death. I don't remember even seeing anything about his new concert on TV, only on the internet. After the last accusations on him, it's like he disappeared from the earth. It is so sad what he went through.
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Today I found something else that makes me think that he will come back ;) :D I'll make a post. Hope NOBODY ruins it again lol :D
what's the post?? k i'll try and find. and yeah, Hope NOBODY ruins it again lol :D
I am leaving you guys to it! Like I said everyone has a right to post what they believe and if it doesn't suit what you want then you say the thread is ruined????? You just want all to agree?
You guys just keep all posting how and when he will be back and work out what you will tell all the disbelivers and just keep on posting what you all want to hear-there are no substantial reasons from any of you on here to convince me and I am leaving it at that so I would be grateful if you could leave your sarcastic remarks to yourself. When Rach (moderater) on the old forum stated reasons one day why she thought he would not return she did not receive hostile responses as I did. I wonder why?
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Harley girl I love you. But you really made me so mad and I wrote you why I found your reaction weird. That's ok. Pls no need to keep on arguing ok? You think that he won't come back, some think he will and I'm on the both sides. One side is heavier sometimes. But is it big deal really? We all LOVE the same man. C'mon guys. Why do we argue? Just stop it ok? I really don't like to argue. But pls Harley I'm just saying pls don't insist people to think like you and when they don't, don't judge them. Maybe it wasn't your intention but it looked like that when you wrote those. Pls guys, let's have a group hug now. We're all here for Michael. He wouldn't like us to behave like this to each other. Just think about Michael and think what he would think about us when we act like this. C'mon. I love you all guys. We are all in this case for 6 months. It makes a half year. We're like brothers and sisters here. So let's hug each other and stop arguing. That's ok if some think that he won't come back but some think that he will and some who couldn't decide :) So what? Harley, I'm sorry that I wrote "Hope NOBODY ruins it" I will delete it now. I was really mad at you and I'm sorry. C'mon people. Let's come together and keep on investigating all together again. Are you with me?
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Harley girl I love you. But you really made me so mad and I wrote you why I found your reaction weird. That's ok. Pls no need to keep on arguing ok? You think that he won't come back, some think he will and I'm on the both sides. One side is heavier sometimes. But is it big deal really? We all LOVE the same man. C'mon guys. Why do we argue? Just stop it ok? I really don't like to argue. But pls Harley I'm just saying pls don't insist people to think like you and when they don't, don't judge them. Maybe it wasn't your intention but it looked like that when you wrote those. Pls guys, let's have a group hug now. We're all here for Michael. He wouldn't like us to behave like this to each other. Just think about Michael and think what he would think about us when we act like this. C'mon. I love you all guys. We are all in this case for 6 months. It makes a half year. We're like brothers and sisters here. So let's hug each other and stop arguing. That's ok if some think that he won't come back but some think that he will and some who couldn't decide :) So what? Harley, I'm sorry that I wrote "Hope NOBODY ruins it" I will delete it now. I was really mad at you and I'm sorry. C'mon people. Let's come together and keep on investigating all together again. Are you with me?
I am not argueing-the remark about this thread I know was aimed at me-thats ok, I never hold a grudge and am sorry that you still felt upset. I just said what I thought without insults and I did not suggest that all should share my beliefs. I wrote exactly what I felt in a very strong manner as I feel it very strong, words are wonderful-why try to get your opinion across without using the appropiate words? No matter. I accept your apology and I never have or ever intend to fall out with anyone and as I said before if we all agreed on the same thing there wouldn't be much need to discuss anything and it would be boring. I can be a little sarcastic I know, am never nasty but have sarcasm so am guilty for that! I know I annoyed you (bless you!) andI know it is hard for us all but try not to the situation get to you too much, it is bad to be heartbroken and annoyed at the situation but at the end of the day we have to try to deal with it as to be low and depressed I think only causes you to be vunerable to illness, we all need to stay strong eh? I know how much many of you want him to return so can understand where the disagreements came from. I love to read all the different theories where members don't agree-is really entertaining as long as it doesn't get personal. I am with you and indeed with you all as the most important thing we agree on is that he is alive, that is what is really important. We are all united in this together......Take care and God bless.
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Harley girl I love you. But you really made me so mad and I wrote you why I found your reaction weird. That's ok. Pls no need to keep on arguing ok? You think that he won't come back, some think he will and I'm on the both sides. One side is heavier sometimes. But is it big deal really? We all LOVE the same man. C'mon guys. Why do we argue? Just stop it ok? I really don't like to argue. But pls Harley I'm just saying pls don't insist people to think like you and when they don't, don't judge them. Maybe it wasn't your intention but it looked like that when you wrote those. Pls guys, let's have a group hug now. We're all here for Michael. He wouldn't like us to behave like this to each other. Just think about Michael and think what he would think about us when we act like this. C'mon. I love you all guys. We are all in this case for 6 months. It makes a half year. We're like brothers and sisters here. So let's hug each other and stop arguing. That's ok if some think that he won't come back but some think that he will and some who couldn't decide :) So what? Harley, I'm sorry that I wrote "Hope NOBODY ruins it" I will delete it now. I was really mad at you and I'm sorry. C'mon people. Let's come together and keep on investigating all together again. Are you with me?
I am not argueing-the remark about this thread I know was aimed at me-thats ok, I never hold a grudge and am sorry that you still felt upset. I just said what I thought without insults and I did not suggest that all should share my beliefs. I wrote exactly what I felt in a very strong manner as I feel it very strong, words are wonderful-why try to get your opinion across without using the appropiate words? No matter. I accept your apology and I never have or ever intend to fall out with anyone and as I said before if we all agreed on the same thing there wouldn't be much need to discuss anything and it would be boring. I can be a little sarcastic I know, am never nasty but have sarcasm so am guilty for that! I know I annoyed you (bless you!) andI know it is hard for us all but try not to the situation get to you too much, it is bad to be heartbroken and annoyed at the situation but at the end of the day we have to try to deal with it as to be low and depressed I think only causes you to be vunerable to illness, we all need to stay strong eh? I know how much many of you want him to return so can understand where the disagreements came from. I love to read all the different theories where members don't agree-is really entertaining as long as it doesn't get personal. I am with you and indeed with you all as the most important thing we agree on is that he is alive, that is what is really important. We are all united in this together......Take care and God bless.
God bless you too girl and all of you :)
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@LiberianGirl- Thankyou! Hugs and xxxx :D :D
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@LiberianGirl- Thankyou! Hugs and xxxx :D :D
Hugs and Kisses back at you Harley and to all of my adventure friends :D
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He didn't hide his kids since birth. He showed all of his children when they were toddlers, multiple times. Can also clearly tell all of them are the kids we see today at an older age.
He started hiding the children's faces after Debbie's request -they started getting threats.
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There seems to be alot of positive press about the kids, which in the world of the media is very unusal, - they say after all bad press sells.
I wonder if it has been released, as with the Royal kids when Diana died?
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The kids did appear in videos and photo's - but this was staged, i think when they were generally about they were protected.
After recent FBI disclosures you can understand.
What he went through, my he had such strength, and still smiled and was kind.
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I think the unveiling of his kids is a good indicator that he will come back. If the wanted a quiet life with his children, why take away the little anonymity the children had and make the targets for the media. It would be easier if he didn't put them in the spotlight.
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Hi that is a very good point, i mean not all celeb's children are in the news.
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Do you think that the Jacksons are releasing the information. The thanksgiving video?
Not the best publicity I thought in this age of recession. But who am I to comment. Kids have a strong will to survive.
Back to the point do you think it is the Jackson's releasing the info?
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Do you think that the Jacksons are releasing the information. The thanksgiving video?
Not the best publicity I thought in this age of recession. But who am I to comment. Kids have a strong will to survive.
Back to the point do you think it is the Jackson's releasing the info?
well it must be who else could do it ;)
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Thanks for that reply, you did make me smile, so why?
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Thanks for that reply, you did make me smile, so why?
maybe because they give us clues oh i dont know i live in a padded cell :lol: :lol: