Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => The Jackson Family & Kids => Katherine Jackson => Topic started by: Lovely One on March 26, 2011, 05:24:46 PM
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Here is a question I often ask myself and I wonder about the rest of you too...
WHY don't we believe Katherine that her son has passed?? Under normal circumstances if the mother
says her child is dead than he is dead. Why can't we just believe her and trust her and put this to rest??
After all, it is Michael's mother and she would know best right???
What about you?? Are you surprised that you still believe even after Katherine's book??
No matter what the family has said or done, I still believe.
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Yes, that has been the roughest part for me, as I've said a lot. With Katherine being religious it is very hard for me to think she would lie, EVEN if Michael is her son or to protect him. I think there must be more...something to make it NOT be a lie or she'd be in trouble with the elders. That keeps me thinking that IT'S A MOVIE. I know a lot of you don't think so, but FOR ME, to piece Katherine into it w/o lies and risk what she believes (yes I know what a mother would do for her child, I am a mom, but weigh God vs son)it has to involve on HER part, a movie so it's acting.
But, like you Lovely One, I still believe no matter what it is Katherine or anyone is saying and even if he never comes back, even if the family eventually says no hoax, I'll still believe.
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Yes, that has been the roughest part for me, as I've said a lot. With Katherine being religious it is very hard for me to think she would lie, EVEN if Michael is her son or to protect him. I think there must be more...something to make it NOT be a lie or she'd be in trouble with the elders. That keeps me thinking that IT'S A MOVIE. I know a lot of you don't think so, but FOR ME, to piece Katherine into it w/o lies and risk what she believes (yes I know what a mother would do for her child, I am a mom, but weigh God vs son)it has to involve on HER part, a movie so it's acting.
But, like you Lovely One, I still believe no matter what it is Katherine or anyone is saying and even if he never comes back, even if the family eventually says no hoax, I'll still believe.
You are right, there has to be more. Much much more. If we are in a movie, then it would be acceptable
for Katherine to lie knowing that this is not real! The movie theory still sits well with me. It would make
more sense than alot of things. Especially with Katherine. ;)
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I don't forsee this hoax will be a movie. I have done alot of thinking in the past 20 months. At first I thought that Michael hoaxed his death because he did not want to do his 50 concerts. He probably said to himself screw them, I was suppose to do 10 they added another 40 I am not doing them" Then by reading all the investigations, I said to myself there is more than meets the eye. Especially if he had an encounter with Tommy Mottola, I think Michael had embarked himself in a war with the mob. The Mob is a powerful organization, you do not cross them, or else you are a target for them.
I honestly think he is under the witness protection. They need show that Michael's death is real. So they needed a doctor who is Murray being accused. The mother had no choice to go with it, a mother would do anything for his child, no matter how religious you are, you will protect your son, even if it is lying. Probably the witness protection told Katherine to do a memoir book of Michael, so his death would be more realistic.
What is stopping me believing Katherine? Here goes. I am a mother, and if my son has died, I would be screaming, pulling my hair, crying balling my eyes out, I wouldn't want to see anyone, especially not doing an interview with Oprah. I wouldn't go out the next day to buy sleeping bags. I would send my body guards, or anyone in my household. I would not be able to go out in the public after my son's death.
This is my opinion, and if she is sad is because her son, has been put down so many times, was misunderstood, and on top of that he has to be in hiding until they catch the goones who is after him. How can a mother the happy? She is not sad because he died, but because she misses him and would like to see him soon. Michael is alive. Blessings.
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I don't get how a movie would make it ok for her to lie. The rest of us don't know it's a movie- so she would not be lying in a movie way but in a real way- until all is revealed.
Being a mother myself, I know, nothing, I mean NOTHING would stop me from lying for my children if they were in danger. Which makes me think this was in a way life or death- not immidiate on 6/25- but impending. That in turn brings me back to the involvement of law enforcement (FBI) or the like. Which would assure Katherine that he son would not be in more trouble and would also make it ok with her religious beliefs if she was saving her son.
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My beliefs are pretty much what you have written here. I totaly agree expecially with your last paragraph. ;)
I don't forsee this hoax will be a movie. I have done alot of thinking in the past 20 months. At first I thought that Michael hoaxed his death because he did not want to do his 50 concerts. He probably said to himself screw them, I was suppose to do 10 they added another 40 I am not doing them" Then by reading all the investigations, I said to myself there is more than meets the eye. Especially if he had an encounter with Tommy Mottola, I think Michael had embarked himself in a war with the mob. The Mob is a powerful organization, you do not cross them, or else you are a target for them.
I honestly think he is under the witness protection. They need show that Michael's death is real. So they needed a doctor who is Murray being accused. The mother had no choice to go with it, a mother would do anything for his child, no matter how religious you are, you will protect your son, even if it is lying. Probably the witness protection told Katherine to do a memoir book of Michael, so his death would be more realistic.
What is stopping me believing Katherine? Here goes. I am a mother, and if my son has died, I would be screaming, pulling my hair, crying balling my eyes out, I wouldn't want to see anyone, especially not doing an interview with Oprah. I wouldn't go out the next day to buy sleeping bags. I would send my body guards, or anyone in my household. I would not be able to go out in the public after my son's death.
This is my opinion, and if she is sad is because her son, has been put down so many times, was misunderstood, and on top of that he has to be in hiding until they catch the goones who is after him. How can a mother the happy? She is not sad because he died, but because she misses him and would like to see him soon. Michael is alive. Blessings.
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I also agree. Katherine is a mother above all things, a mother who loves her children and would protect them at any costs. I feel if it was to save Michael's life she would do anything to protect him at all cost. I would if it was my child and we all know how close they were Michael love his mother more than anything in the world and she knows that and she loves him too so she knows that God will not punish her for doing what she has to do to protect Michael. God is a very forgiving God.
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What all of you are saying makes so much sense. So, the probability that Michael was in danger
could be the reason that Katherine is able to lie. Makes lots of sense but here is what bothers me...
If Michael was in such danger than maybe he won't be coming back? Does anyone ever return from
the witness protection plan?? So many questions.
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What all of you are saying makes so much sense. So, the probability that Michael was in danger
could be the reason that Katherine is able to lie. Makes lots of sense but here is what bothers me...
If Michael was in such danger than maybe he won't be coming back? Does anyone ever return from
the witness protection plan?? So many questions.
Comments above me are great and I agree. Yes, people have come back from Witness Protection but only after the danger or threat is no longer there. But sometimes they don't. Who really knows where the danger is - there seems to have been many out to get Michael in one way or another from psycho fans to business managers to lunatic DA's.
I, also, have struggled with this very question. Here are some reasons I have doubt.
1) Mother Katherine goes shopping for sleeping bags the day or two after Michael's death.
2) She does not break down in interviews while talking about Michael's death but she does when talking about the 2005 trial.
3) Katherine flying around the country and not even being at Forest Lawn on the anniversary of Michael's death. She was in Gary, Indiana doing the tribute thing.
4) Katherine writing the book wasn't odd for me - I think she's wanting people to understand the "real" Michael and not the one that the media has portrayed. This was the perfect chance to reach people's open hearts.
5) Wearing the blue suit to Murray's court hearings. To me it was too coincidental.
6) Oprah interviews.
7) No name on the crypt even to this day.
The last thing that is odd for me is that nobody in the family received a call from her when she was heading to the hospital. They all heard from various sources and then called her. If it were one of my sons I would call their father right away even though we are no longer married. It's been said that Joe and Katherine see and talk to each other a lot so I cannot believe that she would not have called Joe immediately.
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What all of you are saying makes so much sense. So, the probability that Michael was in danger
could be the reason that Katherine is able to lie. Makes lots of sense but here is what bothers me...
If Michael was in such danger than maybe he won't be coming back? Does anyone ever return from
the witness protection plan?? So many questions.
Comments above me are great and I agree. Yes, people have come back from Witness Protection but only after the danger or threat is no longer there. But sometimes they don't. Who really knows where the danger is - there seems to have been many out to get Michael in one way or another from psycho fans to business managers to lunatic DA's.
I, also, have struggled with this very question. Here are some reasons I have doubt.
1) Mother Katherine goes shopping for sleeping bags the day or two after Michael's death.
2) She does not break down in interviews while talking about Michael's death but she does when talking about the 2005 trial.
3) Katherine flying around the country and not even being at Forest Lawn on the anniversary of Michael's death. She was in Gary, Indiana doing the tribute thing.
4) Katherine writing the book wasn't odd for me - I think she's wanting people to understand the "real" Michael and not the one that the media has portrayed. This was the perfect chance to reach people's open hearts.
5) Wearing the blue suit to Murray's court hearings. To me it was too coincidental.
6) Oprah interviews.
7) No name on the crypt even to this day.
The last thing that is odd for me is that nobody in the family received a call from her when she was heading to the hospital. They all heard from various sources and then called her. If it were one of my sons I would call their father right away even though we are no longer married. It's been said that Joe and Katherine see and talk to each other a lot so I cannot believe that she would not have called Joe immediately.
Very well said, thank you. I forgot these points. thank you and Blessings.
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All well and good and we always have possibilities. But, with me being the same faith as Katherine, I can tell you, if she'd be lying, she'd be disfellowshipped and we'd hear about it. Love you children or not, she could not do this if there is not a glitch or something. And to say God forgives, there is a scripture that talks about KNOWINGLY sinning. She just couldn't do that.
And also, just because he was in danger, just because he is in WWP, whatever reason, still don't mean it wouldn't be being set up for a movie. COME ON, this IS Michael Jackson, who makes movies/videos of rehearsals, tours, interviews, a video of the making of a video, videos of others making videos and video of playing at his home with home videos. Time will tell, but I think whatever the reasons for leaving, this is set up for a movie and hopeful Oscar (which is the ultimate award and one Michael don't have)and Katherine's part is NOT a lie in anyway or... like I said above. She has to have the elders helping her, there is no other way.
Also, just because he's gone, almost 2 years now, cleared his name and finances, if he was in danger, he's not going to be by coming back? We just don't know.
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All well and good and we always have possibilities. But, with me being the same faith as Katherine, I can tell you, if she'd be lying, she'd be disfellowshipped and we'd hear about it. Love you children or not, she could not do this if there is not a glitch or something. And to say God forgives, there is a scripture that talks about KNOWINGLY sinning. She just couldn't do that.
And also, just because he was in danger, just because he is in WWP, whatever reason, still don't mean it wouldn't be being set up for a movie. COME ON, this IS Michael Jackson, who makes movies/videos of rehearsals, tours, interviews, a video of the making of a video, videos of others making videos and video of playing at his home with home videos. Time will tell, but I think whatever the reasons for leaving, this is set up for a movie and hopeful Oscar (which is the ultimate award and one Michael don't have)and Katherine's part is NOT a lie in anyway or... like I said above. She has to have the elders helping her, there is no other way.
Also, just because he's gone, almost 2 years now, cleared his name and finances, if he was in danger, he's not going to be by coming back? We just don't know.
so if you are jw you can't lie but you can act and sing and dance as long as it doesn't involve anything that would be looked at as involving the occult or involve sexual impressions (such as latoya posing in a magazine in some state of undress)? huh
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All well and good and we always have possibilities. But, with me being the same faith as Katherine, I can tell you, if she'd be lying, she'd be disfellowshipped and we'd hear about it. Love you children or not, she could not do this if there is not a glitch or something. And to say God forgives, there is a scripture that talks about KNOWINGLY sinning. She just couldn't do that.
And also, just because he was in danger, just because he is in WWP, whatever reason, still don't mean it wouldn't be being set up for a movie. COME ON, this IS Michael Jackson, who makes movies/videos of rehearsals, tours, interviews, a video of the making of a video, videos of others making videos and video of playing at his home with home videos. Time will tell, but I think whatever the reasons for leaving, this is set up for a movie and hopeful Oscar (which is the ultimate award and one Michael don't have)and Katherine's part is NOT a lie in anyway or... like I said above. She has to have the elders helping her, there is no other way.
Also, just because he's gone, almost 2 years now, cleared his name and finances, if he was in danger, he's not going to be by coming back? We just don't know.
so if you are jw you can't lie but you can act and sing and dance as long as it doesn't involve anything that would be looked at as involving the occult or involve sexual impressions (such as latoya posing in a magazine in some state of undress)? huh
You are correct. But, LaToya was never a JW...she never became baptized. Michael was baptized and we know when the pressures of becoming "too worldly" was too much, he was counciled over and over and told this was bringing too much negative attention to the organization, he left. You know he had problems with leaving and felt much guilt and continued to give his messages in song. Michael left about 1987 and to ME, look how his life changed. But his is not about Michael and religion. It's about believing Katherine, and I've stated why I feel as I do. You don't have to believe my reasons, we are all just stating our own reason to feel as we do. Correct? I'm not trying to convince you. No one on this thread is. Just stating our own feelings why we continue to believe although Katherine says Michael died.
I don't want to get into religion here with you...I just simply wanted to say why I believe Michael is alive and that Katherine isn't lying. JMP.
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For me there are only two possibilities, Katherine lied because she has to protect Michael for very good reasons and maybe in this case she has the help of the elders as a JW.Or this is all a part of his movie, that would be so great! :P
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1) Mother Katherine goes shopping for sleeping bags the day or two after Michael's death.
2) She does not break down in interviews while talking about Michael's death but she does when talking about the 2005 trial.
3) Katherine flying around the country and not even being at Forest Lawn on the anniversary of Michael's death. She was in Gary, Indiana doing the tribute thing.
4) Katherine writing the book wasn't odd for me - I think she's wanting people to understand the "real" Michael and not the one that the media has portrayed. This was the perfect chance to reach people's open hearts.
5) Wearing the blue suit to Murray's court hearings. To me it was too coincidental.
6) Oprah interviews.
7) No name on the crypt even to this day.
Very well said. Exactly what I also think. :)
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What all of you are saying makes so much sense. So, the probability that Michael was in danger
could be the reason that Katherine is able to lie. Makes lots of sense but here is what bothers me...
If Michael was in such danger than maybe he won't be coming back? Does anyone ever return from
the witness protection plan?? So many questions.
I do not think Michael is in WPP because when you get in that program, you can never go back to see your family or friends. You get a brand new name and a brand new location and you can bring your close family like kids with you. But Michael didn't bring them with him. I do not believe he wouldn't go to see his parents, kids and family never. He did a deal with the FBI called Sting Operation. Sting Operation perfectly fits with this issue. I believe that after he comes back he will be protected by the FBI or by more bodygouards.
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All well and good and we always have possibilities. But, with me being the same faith as Katherine, I can tell you, if she'd be lying, she'd be disfellowshipped and we'd hear about it. Love you children or not, she could not do this if there is not a glitch or something. And to say God forgives, there is a scripture that talks about KNOWINGLY sinning. She just couldn't do that.
And also, just because he was in danger, just because he is in WWP, whatever reason, still don't mean it wouldn't be being set up for a movie. COME ON, this IS Michael Jackson, who makes movies/videos of rehearsals, tours, interviews, a video of the making of a video, videos of others making videos and video of playing at his home with home videos. Time will tell, but I think whatever the reasons for leaving, this is set up for a movie and hopeful Oscar (which is the ultimate award and one Michael don't have)and Katherine's part is NOT a lie in anyway or... like I said above. She has to have the elders helping her, there is no other way.
Also, just because he's gone, almost 2 years now, cleared his name and finances, if he was in danger, he's not going to be by coming back? We just don't know.
so if you are jw you can't lie but you can act and sing and dance as long as it doesn't involve anything that would be looked at as involving the occult or involve sexual impressions (such as latoya posing in a magazine in some state of undress)? huh
You are correct. But, LaToya was never a JW...she never became baptized. Michael was baptized and we know when the pressures of becoming "too worldly" was too much, he was counciled over and over and told this was bringing too much negative attention to the organization, he left. You know he had problems with leaving and felt much guilt and continued to give his messages in song. Michael left about 1987 and to ME, look how his life changed. But his is not about Michael and religion. It's about believing Katherine, and I've stated why I feel as I do. You don't have to believe my reasons, we are all just stating our own reason to feel as we do. Correct? I'm not trying to convince you. No one on this thread is. Just stating our own feelings why we continue to believe although Katherine says Michael died.
I don't want to get into religion here with you...I just simply wanted to say why I believe Michael is alive and that Katherine isn't lying. JMP.
oh i was just trying to figure out if this was actual doctrine of the church.(seems it would be written somewhere). if this is the actual doctrine then she would in deed be exempt ( i think :? ).let me be clear . from what i have read about jw i have not seen that what they believe is like bizarre or anything it just have a few parts that don't fit with some other faiths, that simple. i sometimes think all of the differences are a trick of the devil to confuse people into rejecting faith in a nutshell ;)
here is my one big worry with all of this . that katherine could in deed be telling the truth but that it all happened long before and that it has been hidden. the only other thing i can think is that the big shots simply stole his identity or he has been playing with people for a very long time.
wonder what it would be worth to a man to have the world record for the longest hoax? ;)
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Well Katherine most obviously lied in her book she stated that he went to the Echo Area in Liverpool England and there were thousands of fans there with balloons etc wishing Michael a happy birthday. Michael only played in Liverpool once which was 1988 at Aintree Racecourse he has not been back since plus the echo area was only opened in January 2008. I live in Liverpool and believe me if Michael had been here I would know.
Due to this obvious lie I have difficulty believing any of it- if she fabricated that bit why would I expect the rest to be true.
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Well Katherine most obviously lied in her book she stated that he went to the Echo Area in Liverpool England and there were thousands of fans there with balloons etc wishing Michael a happy birthday. Michael only played in Liverpool once which was 1988 at Aintree Racecourse he has not been back since plus the echo area was only opened in January 2008. I live in Liverpool and believe me if Michael had been here I would know.
Due to this obvious lie I have difficulty believing any of it- if she fabricated that bit why would I expect the rest to be true.
I am a religious person, I am catholic and I have very much faith in God. We all have one God, his name is different in every religion. Arabs call him Allah, Jeovah witness they call him Jeovah.. It is the same God. God knows if a child is in trouble that if you lie he will forgive. God is good he forgives anyone who repents of his sins. So if Katherine lied, He will forgive her, because he knows she did it for her son's well being. Plus most of her children they changed religion, Jermaine became muslim, and if I understood correctly Michael also became muslim. Believe me if I were Katherine I would lie though my teeth to protect my son.. She should also win an Oscar for her acting. A mother who lost a son wouldn't be acting this way. Usually if you want to do a memoir of your son you wouldn't do it a month after his death. You would wait at least a year or so. Blessings.
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What all of you are saying makes so much sense. So, the probability that Michael was in danger
could be the reason that Katherine is able to lie. Makes lots of sense but here is what bothers me...
If Michael was in such danger than maybe he won't be coming back? Does anyone ever return from
the witness protection plan?? So many questions.
I do not think Michael is in WPP because when you get in that program, you can never go back to see your family or friends. You get a brand new name and a brand new location and you can bring your close family like kids with you. But Michael didn't bring them with him. I do not believe he wouldn't go to see his parents, kids and family never. He did a deal with the FBI called Sting Operation. Sting Operation perfectly fits with this issue. I believe that after he comes back he will be protected by the FBI or by more bodygouards.
In the witness protection, once the person has been apprehanded they can go back as their normal self. As we all know Michael can disguise himself and go see his children when ever he wants. If he left with his children, this would have been obvious, if some one is after him they would know that he did not die, but is hiding somewhere. The FBI wanted these murderers to think that Michael has died..
That's why the children stayed behind with the grandmother, so it wouldn't be so obvious into their eyes.
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I remember one of my posts on topic: viewtopic.php?f=153&t=16645&hilit=katherine+lying (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=153&t=16645&hilit=katherine+lying)
Re: Katherine interview with Oprah!
by everlastinglove_MJ » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:44 pm
"WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THE FAMILY BE TALKING TO DR. MURRAY AT THIS TIME!!!! WHERE IS THE DOCTOR THAT WORKED ON MICHAEL AND HOW IS IT THAT KATHERINE DID NOT EVEN TALK TO THE DOCTOR WHO WAS WITH HER SON AT UCLA HOSPITAL."
Because Conrad Murray is an actor in this hoax scenario and he's playing the doctor who's "unofficially" announcing MJ's passing. NO official authority claims that MJ is dead, because that will imperil his/her position. So is the death certificate, which is not legitimate because it isn't signed, as far as I know, by an official authority.
And this also concerns Katherine. Considering the hoax, Katherine isn't lying, she is acting and partly she expresses real emotion. Personally I would do the same after all what Michael had been through.
It's all for L.O.V.E.
I believe in Katherine and her reasons.
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What all of you are saying makes so much sense. So, the probability that Michael was in danger
could be the reason that Katherine is able to lie. Makes lots of sense but here is what bothers me...
If Michael was in such danger than maybe he won't be coming back? Does anyone ever return from
the witness protection plan?? So many questions.
I do not think Michael is in WPP because when you get in that program, you can never go back to see your family or friends. You get a brand new name and a brand new location and you can bring your close family like kids with you. But Michael didn't bring them with him. I do not believe he wouldn't go to see his parents, kids and family never. He did a deal with the FBI called Sting Operation. Sting Operation perfectly fits with this issue. I believe that after he comes back he will be protected by the FBI or by more bodygouards.
In the witness protection, once the person has been apprehanded they can go back as their normal self. As we all know Michael can disguise himself and go see his children when ever he wants. If he left with his children, this would have been obvious, if some one is after him they would know that he did not die, but is hiding somewhere. The FBI wanted these murderers to think that Michael has died..
That's why the children stayed behind with the grandmother, so it wouldn't be so obvious into their eyes.
kind of sheds a little different light on some" trolls" who may have come here to try and get us to shut the **** up huh( provided that happened but we just don't know.)
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A mother who lost a son wouldn't be acting this way. Usually if you want to do a memoir of your son you wouldn't do it a month after his death. You would wait at least a year or so. Blessings.
Errrr.. she released the book a year after his death.
Also, i am surprised when people say "she wouldnt be acting this way" etc. You cannot predict how ANYONE will react in this kind of situation.
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Well Katherine most obviously lied in her book she stated that he went to the Echo Area in Liverpool England and there were thousands of fans there with balloons etc wishing Michael a happy birthday. Michael only played in Liverpool once which was 1988 at Aintree Racecourse he has not been back since plus the echo area was only opened in January 2008. I live in Liverpool and believe me if Michael had been here I would know.
Due to this obvious lie I have difficulty believing any of it- if she fabricated that bit why would I expect the rest to be true.
Hi Everyone,
I don't know if any of you have been following the "Redirect" on this site posted by TS. I suggest that if you are not, you should because some of things that have been mentioned in this post have been discussed in great depth in that thread. I want to put my two cents worth in regarding this question about Ms. Katherine. But I need to post here first one of the post by TS in the "Redirect Thread."
Re: TIAI March 9
by TS_comments » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:17 pm
Without quoting anyone specific, I will give my answers here to things that have been asked or stated by several hoax members about the FBI.
First, I am not the one to initiate FBI or government involvement. This is a theory that has been around pretty much from the beginning. Souza has had the FBI on the home page for a long time: "If he has the FBI on his side, a lot can be done." {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/recap_english.php}.
Second, I never said that everyone in the entire FBI organization is involved. I have always said MJ was planning this for years, and got a few key people in a few key positions to cooperate with him. Notice that this is possible with the structure of the FBI: "The article went on to also blame the FBI's decentralized structure which prevented effective communication and cooperation between different FBI offices. The article also claimed that the FBI has still not evolved into an effective counter terrorism or counterintelligence agency, due in large part to deeply ingrained cultural resistance to change within the FBI. {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fbi}.
Third, as I have said a few times already in this thread: the Elvis connection answers much of these objections--including the idea that there would be 100% secrecy, and no clues. Elvis had government help, that is unquestionably established not only from Linda's website--but just about anyone else who talks about the Elvis case. Also, originally Elvis had only six people in on it--and they were not all government agents. Therefore, all the people in all the government agencies were not in on it.
Fourth, if the FBI is involved, why would TS expose this publicly on the internet? Again, look at the Elvis case. Why does Linda's website publicly expose the fact that government agents helped Elvis in the past and recently? Is Linda's website putting anyone in danger? No. Why not? Because the general public has never heard of her website; and of the few who do see it, many still don't believe it. Same for this MJ hoax website. It is not getting millions of hits a day (not yet, anyway ). Few are watching, most of which are merely forum members here; and even some of those don't believe what I am saying about the FBI.
Fifth, there is more than one way to skin a cat. So let's look at it from the other side of the coin. If the FBI did not help out, then how could the Bel Air station not know something is fishy? Would they sit by quietly, and say nothing, while MJ hired actors and rented an ambulance to look just like the LAFD #71 ambulance? And why would the LAFD Captain say {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggewNtwvHJ4}: "On June 25, 2009, LAFD responded ... our paramedic ..."--if indeed the LAFD did NOT respond, and it was merely actors in a rented ambulance?
Do you think professionals could ALL be bought out for money? And when the truth came out, wouldn't there be serious consequences for all of them? Do you think they would not be charged with abuse of public office--ESPECIALLY if they got paid for it? Can they get out of it all, by saying that it was all just for a movie--and this or that legal loophole squeaks them by? Did you know that legal loopholes do not prevent people from getting charged with a crime? Did you know that loopholes may not even prevent someone from being convicted of a crime? Different people interpret the law differently; that is why there are lawyers and judges and juries.
However, if key people in the FBI are cooperating with LAFD and MJ: then when the truth comes out, all they have to do is show success in catching some public corruption through this process--and all is well that ends well. After all, once again, that is their "top priority among criminal investigations" {http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
Finally: is this hoax a prank, or a Thriller II reality movie, or an ARG, or a sting operation, or a Vendetta, or an NWO/EOW warning, or a wake-up call to the gullible public (don't believe everything in the media), etc--which is it? And the answer is: all of the above! It is something that people have never seen before, at least not the combination of these things and on this scale.
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From the moment I became certain that it was a hoax, I’ve always believed there was a movie in this, and even more so when I read what Michael said in his “Moonwalk” autobiography.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=10082
I also believe that the movie is only one thing that is being accomplished with this grand scale hoax. And because I truly believe it is a hoax, I don't believe any of the main players :!: ;)
I am not a mother, but I feel that Ms. Katherine is only doing what any other mother would do in her position. And what position is that you ask? In the words of TS, “all of the above.” Take your pick.
I am sure that being the God fearing person that she is, if Ms. Katherine feels she has done anything wrong she knows how to go to God and do what she has to do to receive His forgiveness, because as it was pointed out earlier God is a God who can and will forgive sins. I truly believe that once we do our part, it is possible for God to look at us without seeing our sins because when He forgives us, He removes our sins from us “as far as the east is from the west." (Psalm 103:12) God forgives it’s man that has the problem forgiving :!:
Blessings to you all upon
TheWingsOfLove
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Well Katherine most obviously lied in her book she stated that he went to the Echo Area in Liverpool England and there were thousands of fans there with balloons etc wishing Michael a happy birthday. Michael only played in Liverpool once which was 1988 at Aintree Racecourse he has not been back since plus the echo area was only opened in January 2008. I live in Liverpool and believe me if Michael had been here I would know.
Due to this obvious lie I have difficulty believing any of it- if she fabricated that bit why would I expect the rest to be true.
Hi Everyone,
I don't know if any of you have been following the "Redirect" on this site posted by TS. I suggest that if you are not, you should because some of things that have been mentioned in this post have been discussed in great depth in that thread. I want to put my two cents worth in regarding this question about Ms. Katherine. But I need to post here first one of the post by TS in the "Redirect Thread."
Re: TIAI March 9
by TS_comments » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:17 pm
Without quoting anyone specific, I will give my answers here to things that have been asked or stated by several hoax members about the FBI.
First, I am not the one to initiate FBI or government involvement. This is a theory that has been around pretty much from the beginning. Souza has had the FBI on the home page for a long time: "If he has the FBI on his side, a lot can be done." {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/recap_english.php}.
Second, I never said that everyone in the entire FBI organization is involved. I have always said MJ was planning this for years, and got a few key people in a few key positions to cooperate with him. Notice that this is possible with the structure of the FBI: "The article went on to also blame the FBI's decentralized structure which prevented effective communication and cooperation between different FBI offices. The article also claimed that the FBI has still not evolved into an effective counter terrorism or counterintelligence agency, due in large part to deeply ingrained cultural resistance to change within the FBI. {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fbi}.
Third, as I have said a few times already in this thread: the Elvis connection answers much of these objections--including the idea that there would be 100% secrecy, and no clues. Elvis had government help, that is unquestionably established not only from Linda's website--but just about anyone else who talks about the Elvis case. Also, originally Elvis had only six people in on it--and they were not all government agents. Therefore, all the people in all the government agencies were not in on it.
Fourth, if the FBI is involved, why would TS expose this publicly on the internet? Again, look at the Elvis case. Why does Linda's website publicly expose the fact that government agents helped Elvis in the past and recently? Is Linda's website putting anyone in danger? No. Why not? Because the general public has never heard of her website; and of the few who do see it, many still don't believe it. Same for this MJ hoax website. It is not getting millions of hits a day (not yet, anyway ). Few are watching, most of which are merely forum members here; and even some of those don't believe what I am saying about the FBI.
Fifth, there is more than one way to skin a cat. So let's look at it from the other side of the coin. If the FBI did not help out, then how could the Bel Air station not know something is fishy? Would they sit by quietly, and say nothing, while MJ hired actors and rented an ambulance to look just like the LAFD #71 ambulance? And why would the LAFD Captain say {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggewNtwvHJ4}: "On June 25, 2009, LAFD responded ... our paramedic ..."--if indeed the LAFD did NOT respond, and it was merely actors in a rented ambulance?
Do you think professionals could ALL be bought out for money? And when the truth came out, wouldn't there be serious consequences for all of them? Do you think they would not be charged with abuse of public office--ESPECIALLY if they got paid for it? Can they get out of it all, by saying that it was all just for a movie--and this or that legal loophole squeaks them by? Did you know that legal loopholes do not prevent people from getting charged with a crime? Did you know that loopholes may not even prevent someone from being convicted of a crime? Different people interpret the law differently; that is why there are lawyers and judges and juries.
However, if key people in the FBI are cooperating with LAFD and MJ: then when the truth comes out, all they have to do is show success in catching some public corruption through this process--and all is well that ends well. After all, once again, that is their "top priority among criminal investigations" {http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption}.
Finally: is this hoax a prank, or a Thriller II reality movie, or an ARG, or a sting operation, or a Vendetta, or an NWO/EOW warning, or a wake-up call to the gullible public (don't believe everything in the media), etc--which is it? And the answer is: all of the above! It is something that people have never seen before, at least not the combination of these things and on this scale.
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From the moment I became certain that it was a hoax, I’ve always believed there was a movie in this, and even more so when I read what Michael said in his “Moonwalk” autobiography.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=10082
I also believe that the movie is only one thing that is being accomplished with this grand scale hoax. And because I truly believe it is a hoax, I don't believe any of the main players :!: ;)
I am not a mother, but I feel that Ms. Katherine is only doing what any other mother would do in her position. And what position is that you ask? In the words of TS, “all of the above.” Take your pick.
I am sure that being the God fearing person that she is, if Ms. Katherine feels she has done anything wrong she knows how to go to God and do what she has to do to receive His forgiveness, because as it was pointed out earlier God is a God who can and will forgive sins. I truly believe that once we do our part, it is possible for God to look at us without seeing our sins because when He forgives us, He removes our sins from us “as far as the east is from the west." (Psalm 103:12) God forgives it’s man that has the problem forgiving :!:
Blessings to you all upon
TheWingsOfLove
i always enjoy your visits here. don't stay away so long ;)
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@ Suspicious Mind
Hi there, God bless you royally :!: :!: :!:
Rest assured that I'm here with you all every day sometimes twice a day ;)
I love this site. :) I just don't comment that much.
But I take it to heart when people start in on Ms. Katherine. :o My mom is still alive, she will be 80 in September and I hate to imagine her having to go through what Ms. Katherine is going through right now. She didn't create this hoax and I'm sure that if she had a choice she wouldn't be involved, but she doesn't have that choice :!: And oh yes, she is a year older than my mom.
I guess God made me a champion for the elderly, because I just can't help
myself :!:
Stay blessed, because you certainly are! See you around the site!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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A mother who lost a son wouldn't be acting this way. Usually if you want to do a memoir of your son you wouldn't do it a month after his death. You would wait at least a year or so. Blessings.
Errrr.. she released the book a year after his death.
Also, i am surprised when people say "she wouldnt be acting this way" etc. You cannot predict how ANYONE will react in this kind of situation.
Yes it was published a yr later but it was in the works very early, Michael was gone not even several months. Ok. Miss Peppers how would you react if your son or daughter would die? Would you go out the next day to buy a sleeping bag? She has people who can do things for her, why did she go out? She should have stayed with the grandchildren, and console eachother. Who was with the grandchildren when she was out? You have your opinion, and I have mine. I do respect it, but I still feel she is a very good actrice. Blessings.
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@ Suspicious Mind
Hi there, God bless you royally :!: :!: :!:
Rest assured that I'm here with you all every day sometimes twice a day ;)
I love this site. :) I just don't comment that much.
But I take it to heart when people start in on Ms. Katherine. :o My mom is still alive, she will be 80 in September and I hate to imagine her having to go through what Ms. Katherine is going through right now. She didn't create this hoax and I'm sure that if she had a choice she wouldn't be involved, but she doesn't have that choice :!: And oh yes, she is a year older than my mom.
I guess God made me a champion for the elderly, because I just can't help
myself :!:
all of the media and the book thing are what seriously make me think that at least some of the family are in the position of between a rock and a hard place. i am not sure how and by whom. as for the shopping thing i am torn , in some ways i can see someone from this generation doing that because they tend to think that they have to be busy during these kinds of times.
but then folks do want that to mean that this can't be real ;)
i do understand the protective tendancy for mom's but the reality is they are human also and don't always make perfect choices while their children are in their care . trust me , i live with the situation from my own mothers choices and it can get heavy to be the one to carry the load, so bear with some of us who have lived this side of it.
Stay blessed, because you certainly are! See you around the site!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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Yes, that has been the roughest part for me, as I've said a lot. With Katherine being religious it is very hard for me to think she would lie, EVEN if Michael is her son or to protect him. I think there must be more...something to make it NOT be a lie or she'd be in trouble with the elders. That keeps me thinking that IT'S A MOVIE. I know a lot of you don't think so, but FOR ME, to piece Katherine into it w/o lies and risk what she believes (yes I know what a mother would do for her child, I am a mom, but weigh God vs son)it has to involve on HER part, a movie so it's acting.
But, like you Lovely One, I still believe no matter what it is Katherine or anyone is saying and even if he never comes back, even if the family eventually says no hoax, I'll still believe.
One of the main reasons I still think Michael is probably alive is because the family hasn't reached out to us telling to stop believing in a hoax because Michael really died.
They did not do it, although they know that thousands of fans believe that Michael is alive and are looking for the truth. I just cannot imagine that they could be so heartless that they wouldn't tell us to stop in case Michael is gone. This is a huge family, if he was gone, at least one of them would tell us to stop. But they don't do...
BUT if the family, some day, will tell us that this is not a hoax, Michael is really dead, I will say a final goodbye to Michael.
I want to stop this nightmare very soon, I want to decide somehow what to believe: he is alive or he is dead. I don't want to search the truth about it for ages. I hope Michael and/or his family will help us in this question soon.
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Because of everything that has been said here and i agree completley , I believe he is alive and that his mother will do anything to protect him, even lying. ;) :)
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What all of you are saying makes so much sense. So, the probability that Michael was in danger
could be the reason that Katherine is able to lie. Makes lots of sense but here is what bothers me...
If Michael was in such danger than maybe he won't be coming back? Does anyone ever return from
the witness protection plan?? So many questions.
I do not think Michael is in WPP because when you get in that program, you can never go back to see your family or friends. You get a brand new name and a brand new location and you can bring your close family like kids with you. But Michael didn't bring them with him. I do not believe he wouldn't go to see his parents, kids and family never. He did a deal with the FBI called Sting Operation. Sting Operation perfectly fits with this issue. I believe that after he comes back he will be protected by the FBI or by more bodygouards.
In the witness protection, once the person has been apprehanded they can go back as their normal self. As we all know Michael can disguise himself and go see his children when ever he wants. If he left with his children, this would have been obvious, if some one is after him they would know that he did not die, but is hiding somewhere. The FBI wanted these murderers to think that Michael has died..
That's why the children stayed behind with the grandmother, so it wouldn't be so obvious into their eyes.
No, you're wrong about WPP. Here it is about Witness Protection Program. The last paragraph is important. I wrote it on TS' thread before. WPP has very strict rules. That is the reason why I wrote, it is more possible that he is in a Sting Operation. He is definitely not in WPP. For further info about the Sting Operation and Entrapment which were also mentioned by TS, here is the link where I gave info about them.
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&start=475 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&start=475)
Witness Protection Program
The Witness Protection Program is a service provided by the United States Government which protects witnesses in major criminal cases from physical harm and intimidation. Among law enforcement, the program is better known as the Witness Security Program, or WITSEC. Under the Witness Protection Program, someone will be provided with physical security as well as a new identity and a place to live. The program applies to witnesses and close family members who may also be under threat. Some Americans are surprised to learn that many of the people in the Witness Protection Program are former criminals, who made a bargain with the State to avoid prosecution.
In order to be eligible for the Witness Protection Program, the witness must be providing major evidence relating to a grave felony. Witnesses in organized crime, drug running, and terrorism cases may be offered protection if they qualify. If the life of the witness is considered to be at risk because of his or her testimony, protection will be offered. Frequently, family members are included as well. The threat of death or intimidation must be substantial, as protecting a witness is very expensive.
In addition to providing physical security, the Witness Protection Program also relocates witnesses after the trial, and provides them with new identities. A small living stipend is offered until the witness finds a new job, and other assistance may be provided on an as-needed basis. When the witness is relocated, local law enforcement are informed if he or she was a criminal, so that they can keep an eye on the witness as well.
The program also includes restrictions. The witness is not allowed to return to his or her former hometown, and is not supposed to contact former friends and acquaintances. Every witness who has complied with the terms of the Witness Protection Program has been successfully protected, although witnesses who broke with the terms have been killed.
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I also belive that Michael is in a witness protection program and the much of the reason that he has given over so much power to Branca and McClain is because he is restricted from associating with anyone except family very discreetly. I feel that through his family members his wishes are being made known to the executors. This is also the reason I have never believed there will be a comeback. That life is over. He will not because he cannot go back to that life. I don't even believe he will ever come back to the states. I could be wrong on all of the above, but that is my gut feeling. To go public I believe would place him still and possibly forever in harm's way.
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. Ok. Miss Peppers how would you react if your son or daughter would die? Would you go out the next day to buy a sleeping bag? She has people who can do things for her, why did she go out? She should have stayed with the grandchildren, and console eachother. Who was with the grandchildren when she was out? You have your opinion, and I have mine. I do respect it, but I still feel she is a very good actrice. Blessings.
I cannot answer that question, as grief is unique.
You cannot judge someone on their actions when something has happened so recently.
I understand why you may think that going shopping was innapropriate, but how do you know she wasnt in shock and denial at that point? Maybe going shopping and doing something "normal" was her way to mentally cope with the stress.
Sometimes, when people are in extreme states emotion and in extreme situations, the mind can think in funny ways and people can act in the oddest of ways.
There is no "right" or "wrong" way to grief... this is my only point... and i dont think the fact that KJ went shopping either proves or disproves anything.
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I also belive that Michael is in a witness protection program and the much of the reason that he has given over so much power to Branca and McClain is because he is restricted from associating with anyone except family very discreetly. I feel that through his family members his wishes are being made known to the executors. This is also the reason I have never believed there will be a comeback. That life is over. He will not because he cannot go back to that life. I don't even believe he will ever come back to the states. I could be wrong on all of the above, but that is my gut feeling. To go public I believe would place him still and possibly forever in harm's way.
The program also includes restrictions. The witness is not allowed to return to his or her former hometown, and is not supposed to contact former friends and acquaintances.
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WPP means that you can never ever contact with any of your friends or acquaintances. And you can never go back to your former hometown. You can not see your family either. Do you still believe that he is in WPP? I do not. And well, I never ever, not in a second believed that he did the hoax to run away. That also makes me sure that he is not in WPP.
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During the period of time the case is open (I don't know the number of years) I thought the protected person was able to communicate through the FBI with mother, father, spouse, children. Is that not the case? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I, also, have struggled with this very question. Here are some reasons I have doubt.
1) Mother Katherine goes shopping for sleeping bags the day or two after Michael's death.
2) She does not break down in interviews while talking about Michael's death but she does when talking about the 2005 trial.
3) Katherine flying around the country and not even being at Forest Lawn on the anniversary of Michael's death. She was in Gary, Indiana doing the tribute thing.
4) Katherine writing the book wasn't odd for me - I think she's wanting people to understand the "real" Michael and not the one that the media has portrayed. This was the perfect chance to reach people's open hearts.
5) Wearing the blue suit to Murray's court hearings. To me it was too coincidental.
6) Oprah interviews.
7) No name on the crypt even to this day.
All is right. I juswant to add that when Katherine after all this weird behavior still repeats on the interviews that Michael is dead, right there I think it is because Michael is not planning to come back.
Don't forget to consider also her lawsuit against AEG for wrongful death . This not a joke. If Michael comes back, the consequesnces will be harsh for Katherine and Michael with AEG that will sue them back for defamation, uless before then, will be revealed and proved that AEG had direct connection with attempt to murder Michael.
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During the period of time the case is open (I don't know the number of years) I thought the protected person was able to communicate through the FBI with mother, father, spouse, children. Is that not the case? Correct me if I'm wrong.
If person is in WPP, he/she cannot contact anyone, especially close family members. It would jeopardize their safety and that person. Criminal keeps eye on siblings to make sure victim is not conacting his loved ones and is really dead. FBI does not get involve in connecting them. Those people sent maybe even out of the country where there is no FBI.
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During the period of time the case is open (I don't know the number of years) I thought the protected person was able to communicate through the FBI with mother, father, spouse, children. Is that not the case? Correct me if I'm wrong.
In Witness Protection Program that is not possible. You can take them with you though but you can not go to visit them. Here is what a Sting Operation is which sounds more plausible to me.
Sting operation
In law enforcement, a sting operation is a deceptive operation designed to catch a person committing a crime. A typical sting will have a law-enforcement officer or cooperative member of the public play a role as criminal partner or potential victim and go along with a suspect's actions to gather evidence of the suspect's wrongdoing.
Examples
* Deploying a bait car (also called a honey trap) to catch an auto thief
* Setting up a seemingly vulnerable honeypot computer to lure and gain information about hackers
* Arranging someone under the legal drinking age to ask an adult to buy an alcoholic beverage or tobacco products for them.[1]
* Posing as someone who is seeking illegal drugs, contraband or child pornography to catch a supplier; or as a supplier to catch a customer.
* Passing off explosives to a would-be terror bomber.
* Posing as a child in a chat room to lure a child molester
* An undercover officer posing as a potential customer to raid illegal prostitution.
* An undercover officer posing as a prostitute to raid illegal patronage.
Ethical and legal concerns
Sting operations are fraught with ethical concerns over whether they constitute entrapment. Law-enforcement may have to be careful not to provoke the commission of a crime by someone who would not normally be inclined to do so. Additionally, in the process of such operations, the police often engage in the same crimes, such as buying or selling contraband, soliciting prostitutes, etc. In common law jurisdictions, the defendant may invoke the defense of entrapment.
Contrary to popular misconceptions, however, entrapment does not prohibit undercover police officers from posing as criminals or denying that they are police. Entrapment is typically only a defense if a suspect is pressured into committing a crime they would probably not have committed otherwise, though the legal definition of this pressure varies greatly from country to country. For example, if undercover officers coerced a potential suspect into manufacturing illegal drugs to sell them, then the accused could use entrapment as a defense. However, if a suspect is already manufacturing drugs and police pose as buyers to catch him, then entrapment usually has not occurred.
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Scorpionchik I agree with you.
" I juswant to add that when Katherine after all this weird behavior still repeats on the interviews that Michael is dead, right there I think it is because Michael is not planning to come back"
I have always thought when all is said and done that Michael would not return to us. His old life is gone. My hope is that where ever he is that he is safe. I would settle for that. :| :cry:
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yes, I think what you are saying her makes us feel he is not returning...but what of the continuing new clues? I'm sure we will become even more lost as this trial comes and goes, but we have to be able to brush it off...and have faith in our hearts because this is going to be painful.
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I do not think that Michael will come back for a long time if ever, and that is what allows for the tears and the sadness that we occasionally see from his family. I don’t believe that Michael would do this unless he had to. And I cannot imagine that he is happy with this arrangement, especially if he cannot see his children. Not one bit :? I guess now it’s just wait and see. I only hope that he is okay :(
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I do not think that Michael will come back for a long time if ever, and that is what allows for the tears and the sadness that we occasionally see from his family. I don’t believe that Michael would do this unless he had to. And I cannot imagine that he is happy with this arrangement, especially if he cannot see his children. Not one bit :? I guess now it’s just wait and see. I only hope that he is okay :(
I agree with you that he wouldn't do it without seeing his kids. That's the reason why I say he is not in WPP. As for the return, I do believe he will come back and I do believe it is going to happen this summer. With the clues we have found, a return is a must.
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What all of you are saying makes so much sense. So, the probability that Michael was in danger
could be the reason that Katherine is able to lie. Makes lots of sense but here is what bothers me...
If Michael was in such danger than maybe he won't be coming back? Does anyone ever return from
the witness protection plan?? So many questions.
I do not think Michael is in WPP because when you get in that program, you can never go back to see your family or friends. You get a brand new name and a brand new location and you can bring your close family like kids with you. But Michael didn't bring them with him. I do not believe he wouldn't go to see his parents, kids and family never. He did a deal with the FBI called Sting Operation. Sting Operation perfectly fits with this issue. I believe that after he comes back he will be protected by the FBI or by more bodygouards.
In the witness protection, once the person has been apprehanded they can go back as their normal self. As we all know Michael can disguise himself and go see his children when ever he wants. If he left with his children, this would have been obvious, if some one is after him they would know that he did not die, but is hiding somewhere. The FBI wanted these murderers to think that Michael has died..
That's why the children stayed behind with the grandmother, so it wouldn't be so obvious into their eyes.
No, you're wrong about WPP. Here it is about Witness Protection Program. The last paragraph is important. I wrote it on TS' thread before. WPP has very strict rules. That is the reason why I wrote, it is more possible that he is in a Sting Operation. He is definitely not in WPP. For further info about the Sting Operation and Entrapment which were also mentioned by TS, here is the link where I gave info about them.
viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&start=475 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&start=475)
Witness Protection Program
The Witness Protection Program is a service provided by the United States Government which protects witnesses in major criminal cases from physical harm and intimidation. Among law enforcement, the program is better known as the Witness Security Program, or WITSEC. Under the Witness Protection Program, someone will be provided with physical security as well as a new identity and a place to live. The program applies to witnesses and close family members who may also be under threat. Some Americans are surprised to learn that many of the people in the Witness Protection Program are former criminals, who made a bargain with the State to avoid prosecution.
In order to be eligible for the Witness Protection Program, the witness must be providing major evidence relating to a grave felony. Witnesses in organized crime, drug running, and terrorism cases may be offered protection if they qualify. If the life of the witness is considered to be at risk because of his or her testimony, protection will be offered. Frequently, family members are included as well. The threat of death or intimidation must be substantial, as protecting a witness is very expensive.
In addition to providing physical security, the Witness Protection Program also relocates witnesses after the trial, and provides them with new identities. A small living stipend is offered until the witness finds a new job, and other assistance may be provided on an as-needed basis. When the witness is relocated, local law enforcement are informed if he or she was a criminal, so that they can keep an eye on the witness as well.
The program also includes restrictions. The witness is not allowed to return to his or her former hometown, and is not supposed to contact former friends and acquaintances. Every witness who has complied with the terms of the Witness Protection Program has been successfully protected, although witnesses who broke with the terms have been killed.
Yes I agree, I said if they aprehand the people who is trying to kill the person, that person can go back to his regular life. They caught the people. they are in jail and they threw the key away. (figure of speech) Now this is the law in Canada as for the US It could be it is different.
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seems like everything will come down to who has been behind all of this. if it is a large powerful organization or if it is just a few mangey mutes working alone.
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I keep going back in forth....If Michael were "dead" we wouldn't have clues. If Michael is alive, hiding and didn't want to be found we wouldn't have clues. We have clues, so I believe Michael is alive. I am hoping for a return. I guess what makes me feel better on frustrated days is that we have clues, clues from Michael to let us know he's ok which makes me hope for a return. Oh I sound CRAZY tonight...sorry guys, long day!
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I keep going back in forth....If Michael were "dead" we wouldn't have clues. If Michael is alive, hiding and didn't want to be found we wouldn't have clues. We have clues, so I believe Michael is alive. I am hoping for a return.
Technically you are right. But what about Katherine's and Joe's lawsuits against AEG and other people for wrongful death? You probably did not read every posts here. Does it look to you like 2nd part of hollywood movie? I don't think so. Therefore I tend to think Michael won't be back.
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all of the media and the book thing are what seriously make me think that at least some of the family are in the position of between a rock and a hard place. i am not sure how and by whom. as for the shopping thing i am torn , in some ways i can see someone from this generation doing that because they tend to think that they have to be busy during these kinds of times.
but then folks do want that to mean that this can't be real ;)
i do understand the protective tendancy for mom's but the reality is they are human also and don't always make perfect choices while their children are in their care . trust me , i live with the situation from my own mothers choices and it can get heavy to be the one to carry the load, so bear with some of us who have lived this side of it.
I could not have said it better! And I think that that is exactly where Ms. Katherine is right now, "between a rock and a hard place." And I am sure that is not a position she want's to be in. And as far as the shopping thing, she's 81 and she probably never thought that this is something I shouldn't be doing. As I said my mom will soon be 80 and she constantly does things and when I call her on it she says, "You know I didn't think about that."
I guess I'm prone to take some things lightly because I really truly believe that this is a hoax and a movie will come out of it. But unlike the making of a traditional movie, when the actors mess up, they can't say "CUT, let's take it from act 3 and don't go shopping this time :!: :lol:
Blessings!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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TS listed one of the reasons for the hoax as being NWO/EOW. What if Katherine believes God has a special role for Michael to play. If she feels this is from God she will obey what God tells her to do.
Remember Rahab in the Old Testament lied as to the whereabouts of the Israelite spies she hid under the straw. God rewarded her lie by sparing her life and her family when the walls of Jericho came down and the Israel army killed all inhabitants. She also became part of the blood-line of Jesus.
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TS listed one of the reasons for the hoax as being NWO/EOW. What if Katherine believes God has a special role for Michael to play. If she feels this is from God she will obey what God tells her to do.
Remember Rahab in the Old Testament lied as to the whereabouts of the Israelite spies she hid under the straw. God rewarded her lie by sparing her life and her family when the walls of Jericho came down and the Israel army killed all inhabitants. She also became part of the blood-line of Jesus.
Yes good point.
Whether any of you think MJ won't come back or you don't know if he is alive...just wait a while. Truth always has a way of coming out and the truth is MJ is alive we know it will come out if MJ lets it. We just have to wait a little while longer.
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@Lovely One...You have some very good points.
One of the things about Katherine that has intrigued me from the back in June 2009 is the shopping at Target.I thought about this for a long time,and yes Katherine has said many times that Michael was in danger,so then I got to thinking perhaps it was the word TARGET itself ..and she was just simply trying to tell us in a cryptic way.Michael is a Genius,and he also has Genius parents.Also there was a snippet of the song "Threatened'' in TII,right at the end of the Thriller song.Please don't think I am crazy,but to go shopping just days after your son has 'died' just doesn't make sense,especially when your son is MICHAEL JACKSON.I'll add the link as well.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6aU_vAtw-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6aU_vAtw-Q)
Cheers xxxooo
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TS listed one of the reasons for the hoax as being NWO/EOW. What if Katherine believes God has a special role for Michael to play. If she feels this is from God she will obey what God tells her to do.
Remember Rahab in the Old Testament lied as to the whereabouts of the Israelite spies she hid under the straw. God rewarded her lie by sparing her life and her family when the walls of Jericho came down and the Israel army killed all inhabitants. She also became part of the blood-line of Jesus.
Yes good point.
Whether any of you think MJ won't come back or you don't know if he is alive...just wait a while. Truth always has a way of coming out and the truth is MJ is alive we know it will come out if MJ lets it. We just have to wait a little while longer.
I agree - we should just wait this out as the truth will always prevail in the end. For those that mention the AEG lawsuit, didn't Katherine also dropped that lawsuit?
I believe those that are saying Michael is dead is because Michael does need the world to believe he's dead (for whatever reason) but not necessarily because he's never returning. If they come out and say "oh, you are right...blah, blah, blah" - the hoax would be over, right?
Funny thing about faith - it's believing in something unseen. It's trust and hope all rolled up into one. I have faith and I've been here this long so I will wait it out patiently. I hope you all continue to join me on this adventure. Blessings :)
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One thing I think we should remember is that if he is in a protection program, the fewer people who know it the better. Most family members and likely most associates would not know and that's for Michael's safety. :cry: So I guess that's something we must consider when judging some of their actions.
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if it was witness protection wouldn't we have been shut down a long time ago?
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Michael will come back. Here is my reason why I believe this.
He knows that this would be a torture to us, if he wasn't going to come back. I know that he knows we're waiting for him to come back and it would be so selfish of him if he did the hoax to run away and left clues behind. I do not believe that he left the clues just to let us know that he is alive. He would have given just a couple of ones like Elvis did and then stopped giving them. But we're getting lots of clues every day. Plus he would have done a simple hoax like having a heart attack or an accident and then left. Why would he involve Murray in? Everything has a purpose and that purpose is not a simple runaway plan. There is so much more. I'm sure that he will come back to us. I just want him to be safe after he appears. That's what makes me worry about him.
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In the witness protection, once the person has been apprehanded they can go back as their normal self. As we all know Michael can disguise himself and go see his children when ever he wants. If he left with his children, this would have been obvious, if some one is after him they would know that he did not die, but is hiding somewhere. The FBI wanted these murderers to think that Michael has died..
That's why the children stayed behind with the grandmother, so it wouldn't be so obvious into their eyes.
Yes I agree, I said if they aprehand the people who is trying to kill the person, that person can go back to his regular life. They caught the people. they are in jail and they threw the key away. (figure of speech) Now this is the law in Canada as for the US It could be it is different.
Ahh ok sorry. I needed to check out the meaning of apprehend before I made a comment. :lol: Yes, you're right. If the person who is threatening someone's life gets killed or apprehended, then the person who is in WPP can go back to his/her regular life. I was reading about WPP today and I found interesting things. I knew that it had strict rules but I didn't know this. If a person who is in WPP makes a call to his family or friends which he shouldn't do, FBI gives him a new location and a brand new ID once again. If he breaks the rule again, then FBI kicks him out of the program. I didn't know that FBI was giving a second brand new location and name. Wow, they have very strict rules.