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Barely Legal -- Good Enough for Conrad Murray
3/30/2011 6:23 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
A good defense team always telegraphs subtle messages to potential jurors, and Dr. Conrad Murray did just that yesterday in Santa Monica.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/03/30/0330-conrad-murray-splash-credit.jpg)
As his lawyers were in downtown L.A. picking a jury that will decide if he is criminally responsible for the death of Michael Jackson, Dr. Murray proudly sported the number 18 -- the magic number that makes people barely legal.
Barely legal is all it should take to get an acquittal.
Who knew, the best jury consultants in town were Abercrombie and Fitch?
http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/30/dr-conrad ... ely-legal/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/30/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-18-santa-monica-photo-picture-manslaughter-case-trial-propofol-barely-legal/)
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Being the investigator that I'm suppose to be...I ask you, is TMZ once again..
#1 the opportune photographer on the scene...
#2 leaving a clue in the #18
#3 leaving the clue in the words "leaving subtle messages"
#4 leaving messages in the words "barely legal"
#5 magic number?
Just asking...
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Oh.....TMZ.......!
Here is a Wikipedia for the number 18......the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18_(number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18_(number))
and what I found interesting:
In religion and literature
The Hebrew word for "alive" is חי (chai), which has a numerical value of 18. Consequently, the custom has arisen in Jewish circles to give donations and monetary gifts in multiples of 18 as an expression of blessing for long life.
In Judaism, in the Talmud; Pirkei Avot (5:25), Rabbi Yehudah ben Teime gives the age of 18 as the appropriate age to get married ("Ben shmonah esra lechupah", at eighteen years old to the Chupah (marriage canopy)). (See Coming of age, Age of majority).
In Ancient Roman custom the number 18 can symbolise a blood relative.
Joseph Heller's novel Catch-22 was originally named Catch-18 because of the Hebrew meaning of the number, but was amended to the published title to avoid confusion with another war novel, Mila 18.[1]
There are 18 chapters in the Bhagavad Gita, which is contained in the Mahabharata, which has 18 books. The Kurukshetra War which the epic depicts, is between 18 armies (11 on the Kuru side, 7 on the Pandava).
18 is on the right palm of the right hand in Arabic.
There is more I am sure...but just had to post that quickly for the :o factor!
Back to reading up on 18!
Blessings!
PS> I am wondering what's on page 18 of the autopsy report, maybe? Or some other document we have seen????
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maybe "leaving subtle messages" in the word "fitch" as close to "fetch" as is close to "get" or "pick"...
conclusion pick jury member number 18 ????
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Remember that photo of Sam Gossen with Karen Faye and some other girls.. she had a T-Shirt on of the same make and someone had photoshopped the "Fitch" on her top to re-spell something else?
Just reminded me of that.
P.S. - is age of consent 18 in USA? Thats quite high. In UK its 16.
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Fitch....
a dark brown mustelid [weasel or polecat] of the woodlands of Eurasia that gives off an unpleasant odour when threatened.
hmm.
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Murray appears to be one frame away from grabbing his crotch.
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Maybe this whole upcoming trial is "barely legal".
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Murray appears to be one frame away from grabbing his crotch.
:lol: I hope he doesn't do that though. :lol:
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Well, to me Number 18 is interesting because 8-1=7 which is Michael's number and also 8+1=9 which was another important number for the hoax. Making 666 upside down and make it 999. So 18 both makes 7 and 9 which are important numbers in this hoax.
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Maybe this whole upcoming trial is "barely legal".
yeah and that. ;)
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or something that has been going on for a while is barely legal. :?
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maybe "leaving subtle messages" in the word "fitch" as close to "fetch" as is close to "get" or "pick"...
conclusion pick jury member number 18 ????
Maybe Juror #18 could be Michael?? I stated this on the other post that I have a feeling that Michael will be in the jury.
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Murray appears to be one frame away from grabbing his crotch.
Oh well! He wants to be Michael. :lol:
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nevermind :x
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[youtube:p6u1491m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cf3HLNJFPs[/youtube:p6u1491m]
I cross-referenced this video from Esprit467 under the "Tyne Stecklein in New Old Navy Commercial" thread due to parallel between Old Navy and Ambercrombie and Fitch.
Great video and Thankyou to Esprit467!
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/18/0118-kid-conrad-murray-photo-ex-tmz.jpg)
Murray not to have clothes great or these photos are done the same day :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
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@wishingstar - I got your WOW factor! What a "coincidence"! ;) 18=Alive hmmmm.... Thanks for that! Great find!
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very slightly off topic ...
I was looking at the remembering Michael attached to this article about Conrad, and TMZ has a link advertisement attched to the photographs for Pearl JR book about the hoax. :lol: :lol: :lol: I guess TMZ just did good business!!! :lol: :lol:
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/18/0118-kid-conrad-murray-photo-ex-tmz.jpg)
Murray not to have clothes great or these photos are done the same day :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
nice catch paula :lol:
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Fitch is a clothing line of "Abercrombie & Fitch" :?
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Nice loafers Connie!
I'm sorry, but again Connie reminds me of MJ in this picture. Before anyone jumps on me: I do not see that in EVERY picture of him, just sometimes. It's something about the eyes and the mouth. Either Mike sometimes puts on the Connie suit and mask, or Connie is related to him, but they resemble each other a lot in my opinion.
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Curious, yesterday i was doing a little research and ended up seeing this pic where one can read "Barely Legal".
This is an adult publication and Michael was criticized by some people for having porn magazines at home. May be some relation with this recent Murray´s article?
(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2009/07/michael_jackson_drugs_013_full.jpg)
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A good defense team always telegraphs subtle messages to potential jurors
Lol, barely SUBTLE...
Btw, I love the blue color of CM's shirt. Symbolic meaning of the color blue is life and re-birth or resurrection. http://www.egyptianmyths.net/colors.htm (http://www.egyptianmyths.net/colors.htm)
On “barely legal” I found this:
Video on Trial (season 3)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The third season of the Canadian television comedy series Video on Trial premiered on MuchMusic on August 12, 2007 and concluded on August 11, 2008. It consists of 26 episodes.
[edit] Episodes
The show uses a courtroom-style format: each episode usually consists of five music videos being "tried" by five different people, usually comedians, musicians, and entertainment columnists, acting as the "jurors". From the first to mid-fifth seasons, the end of each episode featured a final "verdict" given to each video being "tried".
Starting with the 19th episode of the third season (Episode 3.19), the show introduced new graphics; these new graphics continued until the 21st episode of the fifth season (Episode 5.21).
This list is arranged in the order in which the episodes were broadcast, and does not include spin-off "specials" (such as Stars on Trial). The list contains the air dates, episode numbers, "accused" music videos, and "jurors" of each episode of the season.
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"Video on Trial: So '90s Edition"
• Marty Adams
• Trevor Boris
• Nikki Payne
• Pauly Shore
• Alyson Smith 1. "Black or White" - Michael Jackson
2. "Say You'll Be There" - Spice Girls
3. "I Wanna Sex You Up" - Color Me Badd
4. "Pretty Fly (For a White Guy)" - The Offspring
5. "Break Stuff" - Limp Bizkit
July 14, 2008
3.25
"Totally '80s Video on Trial"
• Debra DiGiovanni
• Nikki Payne
• Boomer Phillips
• Ron Sparks
• Anna Von Frances 1. "Open Your Heart" - Madonna
2. "Legs" - ZZ Top
3. "Bad" - Michael Jackson
4. "Didn't You Kill My Brother?" - Alexei Sayle
5. "Rio" - Duran Duran
July 28, 2008
"Video on Trial: ♥ Barely Legal ♥"
Trevor Boris
Debra DiGiovanni
Sabrina Jalees
Matt O'Brien
Darrin Rows
1."Rush" - Aly & AJ
2."Start All Over" - Miley Cyrus
3."What Time Is It?" - High School Musical 2 cast
4."SOS" - Jonas Brothers
5."Hold Me" - Menudo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_on_Trial_(season_3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_on_Trial_(season_3))
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This is an adult publication and Michael was criticized by some people for having porn magazines at home.
I don't get that, seriously... I would be concerned if a guy did NOT have porn SOMEWHERE in his house or on his computer. They are guys, that's what they have :lol: Why would Mike be any different?
It's hypocrite that they make an elephant out of a mosquito in the US when it comes to porn and nudity, while it has the biggest porn industry in the world.
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Nice loafers Connie!
I'm sorry, but again Connie reminds me of MJ in this picture. Before anyone jumps on me: I do not see that in EVERY picture of him, just sometimes. It's something about the eyes and the mouth. Either Mike sometimes puts on the Connie suit and mask, or Connie is related to him, but they resemble each other a lot in my opinion.
Okay, I can't let it go. I know people have called me insane before, but I don't care. Murray sometimes simply looks different and when he does he looks like Mike. In those pictures we can't see his height, so that's not the issue. I just compared the hands of the Murray in this picture with a picture from Mike in the BAD era and they are the same. Same shape, same long and thin fingers and even the vains match. The only difference is, is that 'Murray' has a tiny bump on his little finger...
So you can all call me nuts but I am just going to say it: the man in this picture is Michael Jackson.
There, rant at me if you like, but I truly believe he is.
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No one has to rant at you. It's your opinion
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Murray appears to be one frame away from grabbing his crotch.
That must be a clue he's in fact Michael Jackson :lol: :lol: :lol:
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"Barely legal is all it should take to get an acquittal."
Almost looks like a verdict to me.
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Nice loafers Connie!
I'm sorry, but again Connie reminds me of MJ in this picture. Before anyone jumps on me: I do not see that in EVERY picture of him, just sometimes. It's something about the eyes and the mouth. Either Mike sometimes puts on the Connie suit and mask, or Connie is related to him, but they resemble each other a lot in my opinion.
Okay, I can't let it go. I know people have called me insane before, but I don't care. Murray sometimes simply looks different and when he does he looks like Mike. In those pictures we can't see his height, so that's not the issue. I just compared the hands of the Murray in this picture with a picture from Mike in the BAD era and they are the same. Same shape, same long and thin fingers and even the vains match. The only difference is, is that 'Murray' has a tiny bump on his little finger...
So you can all call me nuts but I am just going to say it: the man in this picture is Michael Jackson.
There, rant at me if you like, but I truly believe he is.
I've got absolutely the same feeling while looking at Murray!
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Curious, yesterday i was doing a little research and ended up seeing this pic where one can read "Barely Legal".
This is an adult publication and Michael was criticized by some people for having porn magazines at home. May be some relation with this recent Murray´s article?
(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2009/07/michael_jackson_drugs_013_full.jpg)
Thank you @Gema your post is very interesting, please see the following article and then there is mention of the magazine again in Charles Thomson's famous article.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/7129260/n ... rtainment/ (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/7129260/ns/today-entertainment/)
Accuser’s brother admits lying
SANTA MARIA, Calif. — A 14-year-old boy who testified that Michael Jackson molested his brother acknowledged under cross-examination Tuesday that the pop star didn’t show him a sex magazine that the prosecution had introduced into evidence. The witness also said he lied under oath in a separate civil lawsuit.
The teenager, who visited Jackson’s Neverland ranch for the last time in March 2003, became confused after Jackson attorney Thomas Mesereau showed him a copy of Barely Legal magazine dated August 2003.
The boy had testified on Monday that the magazine was one of those that Jackson had showed to him and his brother.
Confronted with the conflicting dates, the boy said: “I never said it was exactly that one. That’s not exactly the one he showed us.”
..He said he had looked at the magazine with District Attorney Tom Sneddon before it was presented as evidence.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-t ... 10258.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-thomson/one-of-the-most-shameful_b_610258.html)
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Nice loafers Connie!
I'm sorry, but again Connie reminds me of MJ in this picture. Before anyone jumps on me: I do not see that in EVERY picture of him, just sometimes. It's something about the eyes and the mouth. Either Mike sometimes puts on the Connie suit and mask, or Connie is related to him, but they resemble each other a lot in my opinion.
Okay, I can't let it go. I know people have called me insane before, but I don't care. Murray sometimes simply looks different and when he does he looks like Mike. In those pictures we can't see his height, so that's not the issue. I just compared the hands of the Murray in this picture with a picture from Mike in the BAD era and they are the same. Same shape, same long and thin fingers and even the vains match. The only difference is, is that 'Murray' has a tiny bump on his little finger...
So you can all call me nuts but I am just going to say it: the man in this picture is Michael Jackson.
There, rant at me if you like, but I truly believe he is.
Souza.. you are right..
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In this link there are more photos of Murray.
http://x17online.com/gallery/view_galle ... 17&index=1 (http://x17online.com/gallery/view_gallery.php?gallery=DrMurray032911Part2_X17&index=1)
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Nice loafers Connie!
I'm sorry, but again Connie reminds me of MJ in this picture. Before anyone jumps on me: I do not see that in EVERY picture of him, just sometimes. It's something about the eyes and the mouth. Either Mike sometimes puts on the Connie suit and mask, or Connie is related to him, but they resemble each other a lot in my opinion.
Okay, I can't let it go. I know people have called me insane before, but I don't care. Murray sometimes simply looks different and when he does he looks like Mike. In those pictures we can't see his height, so that's not the issue. I just compared the hands of the Murray in this picture with a picture from Mike in the BAD era and they are the same. Same shape, same long and thin fingers and even the vains match. The only difference is, is that 'Murray' has a tiny bump on his little finger...
So you can all call me nuts but I am just going to say it: the man in this picture is Michael Jackson.
There, rant at me if you like, but I truly believe he is.
remember the pic with the white shirt and the t-shirt it split down to the navel and his hands are placed that way.
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Nice loafers Connie!
I'm sorry, but again Connie reminds me of MJ in this picture. Before anyone jumps on me: I do not see that in EVERY picture of him, just sometimes. It's something about the eyes and the mouth. Either Mike sometimes puts on the Connie suit and mask, or Connie is related to him, but they resemble each other a lot in my opinion.
Okay, I can't let it go. I know people have called me insane before, but I don't care. Murray sometimes simply looks different and when he does he looks like Mike. In those pictures we can't see his height, so that's not the issue. I just compared the hands of the Murray in this picture with a picture from Mike in the BAD era and they are the same. Same shape, same long and thin fingers and even the vains match. The only difference is, is that 'Murray' has a tiny bump on his little finger...
So you can all call me nuts but I am just going to say it: the man in this picture is Michael Jackson.
There, rant at me if you like, but I truly believe he is.
Hello Souza!!
I don't think you are insane at all .Look at the long fingers of Michael playing the piano in the Bad era,starting 0:20.Wow he has such a beautiful hands :oops: :D
RARE! MJ playing the Piano(Eng subbed)
[youtube:vw6wxua3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnJRBlUBLi0[/youtube:vw6wxua3]
Actually I think I'm the crazy one here,lol.I still believe Michael is still black.Call me crazy put this is what I think .
LOVE
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/03/30/0330-conrad-murray-splash-credit.jpg)
He's wearing loafers.
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well i guess this insanity is contagious because i have been starting to lean this way for a little while now. question is , if we are not insane what does it mean for the hoax , michaels career , his life? :?
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And they're old.
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And they're old.
:lol: i almost mentioned that myself.
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well i guess this insanity is contagious because i have been starting to lean this way for a little while now. question is , if we are not insane what does it mean for the hoax , michaels career , his life? :?
I'm not going to say, it makes me anxious to put it out there publicly.
In fact I wish we could/would all refrain from speculating what will come of this, because it's entirely possible that if we guess the right answers... they will change or something will happen to disrupt the community again... paranoia perhaps, but maybe we should just keep watching and keep our predictions to ourselves :?: :geek:
Ps. or at least off the public record.
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Now Murray is Michael?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif)
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well i guess this insanity is contagious because i have been starting to lean this way for a little while now. question is , if we are not insane what does it mean for the hoax , michaels career , his life? :?
I'm not going to say, it makes me anxious to put it out there publicly.
In fact I wish we could/would all refrain from speculating what will come of this, because it's entirely possible that if we guess the right answers... they will change or something will happen to disrupt the community again... paranoia perhaps, but maybe we should just keep watching and keep our predictions to ourselves :?: :geek:
Ps. or at least off the public record.
i think you are right
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Being the investigator that I'm suppose to be...I ask you, is TMZ once again..
#1 the opportune photographer on the scene...
#2 leaving a clue in the #18
#3 leaving the clue in the words "leaving subtle messages"
#4 leaving messages in the words "barely legal"
#5 magic number?
Just asking...
Totally agree.
Moreover, like TMZ can take pictures so close to Murray? Is a contract? Murray is great, if he was angry at being photographed enough, poor photographer! :lol:
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Being the investigator that I'm suppose to be...I ask you, is TMZ once again..
#1 the opportune photographer on the scene...
#2 leaving a clue in the #18
#3 leaving the clue in the words "leaving subtle messages"
#4 leaving messages in the words "barely legal"
#5 magic number?
Just asking...
Totally agree.
Moreover, like TMZ can take pictures so close to Murray? Is a contract? Murray is great, if he was angry at being photographed enough, poor photographer! :lol:
He likes to pose at the cameras. He's the *star* of this movie, you know? ;)
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Now Murray is Michael?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif)
should be more sympathetic to our poor over hoaxed brains ya know :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Some say I don't know much (I beg to differ 'cause I'm here..hee) but my initial thought was - Michael ?!?!
There are some pics from the '90's, he's wearing black jeans, white unbuttened shirt and in one of the pics his hand is placed exactly the same as CM. They certainly look identical, especially the nail beds.
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Why is Murray's hand and legs really thin?
Also reading the article again and a few things stood out.
They always seem to get a photo of Murray at Santa Monica.
The photo of MJ's music dancer only shows Murray from the top to just before his waist which could mean it was the same day.
Maybe barely legal means the 18th person chosen to be on the jury (12 jurors but 6 extra if needed, 12+6 = 18) is MJ...it is barely legal because it's MJ of course but it is still legal as this trial is fake so it doesn't really matter who is on the jury.
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Some say I don't know much (I beg to differ 'cause I'm here..hee) but my initial thought was - Michael ?!?!
There are some pics from the '90's, he's wearing black jeans, white unbuttened shirt and in one of the pics his hand is placed exactly the same as CM. They certainly look identical, especially the nail beds.
i know which one you mean, he still was darker. wasn't the ophrah interview like 92 ? he was pretty light by then.
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Now Murray is Michael?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif)
:lol: Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-026.gif)
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
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Some say I don't know much (I beg to differ 'cause I'm here..hee) but my initial thought was - Michael ?!?!
There are some pics from the '90's, he's wearing black jeans, white unbuttened shirt and in one of the pics his hand is placed exactly the same as CM. They certainly look identical, especially the nail beds.
i know which one you mean, he still was darker. wasn't the ophrah interview like 92 ? he was pretty light by then.
Yes, he was darker so it was before Oprah. I'll try and find them. I don't know how to drag the photo out of my collection into here :oops:
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Why oh why do I think that CM's hands are just a little bit too big, that the middle and ring finger are sticking together too much and that the whole guy has too skinny arms and legs for that pumped up body.
(Why is it that he changes features and BMI so often between "recent" photographs.)
No offense intended, this guy just never fits usual optical measures in my eyes-brain connections.
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Some say I don't know much (I beg to differ 'cause I'm here..hee) but my initial thought was - Michael ?!?!
There are some pics from the '90's, he's wearing black jeans, white unbuttened shirt and in one of the pics his hand is placed exactly the same as CM. They certainly look identical, especially the nail beds.
That is exactly the picture I compared it with. Same hands.
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Now Murray is Michael?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif)
:lol: Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-026.gif)
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
yes.. we all debated if michael was murray in the video murray did for his clients and freinds... we thought he was a digitally made person or michael... mmmm
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1- we're not in the 80s, nor 90s. So Would Michael have the exact hands he had back then? With time,hands change, even mine changed in past 10 years. Does he have a prostetic make up of his hands from the 80's?
2- Murray's height, no matter if he's not besides anyone, is pretty obvious. For instance, I can tell very well the height of a person just by seeing him/her in a photo even if I see that someone for the first time. Murray is a man in his 6'0 -6'3 and I cut my hand for it. It's highly obvious. No matter if he walks alone or he's besides anyone
3 - Can you actually see all those details in a so low quality photo? Details of the nails can be seen accuratelly only in very HI-Q photos.
4- Even if the photo is not in Hi-Q I can tell the shape of his fingers is not Michael's. Why: a detail that jumps in my eyes is that Michael's fingers always had a different shape than in most people - no matter 70s-80-s-90s-00. His fingers bend from the middle and he doesn't bend at all his phalanx - as Murray does in this photo. Even if we regard the possibility of a prosthetic make-up, he would bend his fingers the same way no matter if the prosthetic make-up gives his fingers another look.He would bend them from the same point.
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[youtube:1gkexazl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESGptNNsJ0&feature=related[/youtube:1gkexazl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESGptNNsJ0&feature=related
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1- we're not in the 80s, nor 90s. So Would Michael have the exact hands he had back then? With time,hands change, even mine changed in past 10 years. Does he have a prostetic make up of his hands from the 80's?
Yeah, probably the same as his body miraculously changed? Your hands may get older, but they stay the same. It's how you are built.
2- Murray's height, no matter if he's not besides anyone, is pretty obvious. For instance, I can tell very well the height of a person just by seeing him/her in a photo even if I see that someone for the first time. Murray is a man in his 6'0 -6'3 and I cut my hand for it. It's highly obvious. No matter if he walks alone or he's besides anyone
That doesn't make sense at all. You can't possibly tell from a picture when no one is around, how tall someone is. Utter BS.
3 - Can you actually see all those details in a so low quality photo? Details of the nails can be seen accuratelly only in very HI-Q photos.
Yes, I can see the details.
4- Even if the photo is not in Hi-Q I can tell the shape of his fingers is not Michael's. Why: a detail that jumps in my eyes is that Michael's fingers always had a different shape than in most people - no matter 70s-80-s-90s-00. His fingers bend from the middle and he doesn't bend at all his phalanx - as Murray does in this photo. Even if we regard the possibility of a prosthetic make-up, he would bend his fingers the same way no matter if the prosthetic make-up gives his fingers another look.He would bend them from the same point.
You must be looking at O2 dude's hands...
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Actually, hands do change. Skin on your hands certainly changes, and Michael has discoloration in his nails that was pretty prounounced. Overall shape of hands can change as well, due to arthritis for instance. If you look at pictures of Michael's hands from BAD and Thriller time and compare them with let say the L'Uomo or the Vanity Fair shoot, you can see changes. Hands are one of those indicators of actual age- people have surgery on their faces and even necks now, but hands still will indicate your age (due to skin and skeletal changes)
Also, while CM's hand in the shot are large, his index finger looks much different from Michael's. Michael has a stronger middle section and a longer top section of that digit.
So, I really don't think Michael is CM here- however, I think CM (or whoever he is) has been instructed to walk like Michael or pose in similar stances/poses (remember when he was against that wall and it almost looked like he was wearing the tux from Off the Wall?)
However, Souza, the first thing I thought of when I saw that headline were the Barely Legal magazines from the 05 trial. That day was such a nightmare for Michael. If you read the transcripts, it is almost ridiculous how they spent so much just arguing what to call the magazines- Sneddon wanted to call them "porn" but since they are legal and were legally purchases he had to call them "adult material"- talk about trying to influence a jury (people have a much stronger reaction to the word porn than to adult material). And yes, the only oiont made with all this (besides humiliating Michael and his family) was that he was a normal heterosexual man. Interesting that this phrase popped up "randomly" (yeah right).
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And yes, the only oiont made with all this (besides humiliating Michael and his family) was that he was a normal heterosexual man.
Right. Some people forgot about it.
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Actually, hands do change. Skin on your hands certainly changes, and Michael has discoloration in his nails that was pretty prounounced. Overall shape of hands can change as well, due to arthritis for instance. If you look at pictures of Michael's hands from BAD and Thriller time and compare them with let say the L'Uomo or the Vanity Fair shoot, you can see changes. Hands are one of those indicators of actual age- people have surgery on their faces and even necks now, but hands still will indicate your age (due to skin and skeletal changes)
Also, while CM's hand in the shot are large, his index finger looks much different from Michael's. Michael has a stronger middle section and a longer top section of that digit.
So, I really don't think Michael is CM here- however, I think CM (or whoever he is) has been instructed to walk like Michael or pose in similar stances/poses (remember when he was against that wall and it almost looked like he was wearing the tux from Off the Wall?)
However, Souza, the first thing I thought of when I saw that headline were the Barely Legal magazines from the 05 trial. That day was such a nightmare for Michael. If you read the transcripts, it is almost ridiculous how they spent so much just arguing what to call the magazines- Sneddon wanted to call them "porn" but since they are legal and were legally purchases he had to call them "adult material"- talk about trying to influence a jury (people have a much stronger reaction to the word porn than to adult material). And yes, the only oiont made with all this (besides humiliating Michael and his family) was that he was a normal heterosexual man. Interesting that this phrase popped up "randomly" (yeah right).
We don't know he had artritis, he only had a bump on his little finger. Anything could have caused that. And he is in his early 50's, not 80+. My grandfather even still has the same hands as he had 40 years ago. My dad is in his 60's and works with his hands, injures them a lot (even sawed off a part of his hand) but still his hands are the same as they always have been, except for the part that is clearly missing of course. A few more scars, a little bump somewhere maybe, but the same hands. Same goes for my mother. Your vains stay in the same place and the overall shape stays the same, unless you have some illness that totally disforms your hands. Murray's hand is pretty much identical to that of MJ in the late 80's, which is quite a big coincidence if you ask me. Of course, it MIGHT BE a coincidence, but I don't really believe in coincidences anymore. And I choose not to compare with recent pics, because I am sure the hoax has been going on for 20 years and therefore everything we see after BAD is questionable to me. The make up, the wigs...makes me wonder what else was an illusion. Like the nose, that changed by the day, only to get back to its former BAD era shape in the end. Michael altered the shape of his nose on purpose, with a very clever use of make up. Just look at pictures of the History Era. In the teaser we see Mike with a perfectly normal, broad straight nose. Then we have a nose looking sharp as a knife at the tour at times (not all the time) and if you look closely, you see dark make-up on the sides. I had make up classes years ago and that's what they teach you to make a nose look much slimmer, dark shades on the sides. So if he built an illusion around his nose, who says he didn't build an illusion around other body parts? Cleft in chin same thing. One time big and deep, other time almost vanished. Eyes big (white line on bottom eye lid), eyes small (dark eyeliner). So I can't tell how he looks like by looking at pictures from the past 20 years, because he changes by the shot. That is why I use the older ones.
And yes, I have read pretty much everything about the trial and it still makes my blood boil when I think of it.
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Well, apparently it is possible to fake even the fat body.
Look: (this is Eddie Murphy in The Klumps)
(http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/entertainment/pop-culture/MOVIES:+The+fat+suit+mystique/uploads/articles/articles-pic-3909-289.jpg)
And the article link: http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/entertainment/pop-culture/MOVIES:+The+fat+suit+mystique/
And here's Murray:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/30/article-1298990-0AA111AC000005DC-832_474x649.jpg)
And don't forget Janet played with Murphy in that film.... :?
(http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000_Nutty_Professor_II:_The_Klumps/janet_jackson_eddie_murphy_nutty_professor_2_the_klumps_002.jpg)
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(http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/entertainment/pop-culture/MOVIES:+The+fat+suit+mystique/uploads/articles/articles-pic-3909-289.jpg)!!! Eddie Murphy !!!!!!!!! :shock: :lol:
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wonder if you can fake an outty?
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wonder if you can fake an outty?
If you can fake a pregnancy with a prosthetic belly, you can fake an outty too. ;)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_v92n-ab5zQI/TKeiylG0MBI/AAAAAAAAAM8/hj1qdbzPMnw/s200/pregnant-prosthetic-belly-01.jpg)
http://www.myfakepregnancy.com/2010/10/how-to-fake-pregnancy.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_4684978_fake-being-pregnant-fool-people.html
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Now Murray is Michael?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif)
:lol: Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-026.gif)
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. :lol:
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You're family is very lucky, Souza. My Mom's hands changed a lot- skin and skeletal wise. Mine have, too. My veins are more pronounced now at 42 and the skin def has changed to more crinkled and thinner.
Now, I have many male African America friends and their hands have not changed so much- other than the skin and veins more pronounced.
I still think the top section of MJ's index finger is much longer. If anyone has she pics from Vanity Fair (there are a couple where you can see his hands very well) you'll see what I mean. And that was 2007. Anyway....not saying you could not be correct, cause heaven knows how many odd things have happened in the past 21 months. And I suspect it ain't over till it's over...
Lol- the Eddie Murphy pic made me laugh.. Yes, it is amazing what can be done with prosthetic masks and suits these days. Therefore...who knows... At this rate, I would not be too surprised if at the Finale of American Idol, JLo would be revealed to be Michael.. ;)
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Now Murray is Michael?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif)
:lol: Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-026.gif)
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. :lol:
I think we have seen him much more then we even suspected on here. I have a list and there are few on there that were never even posted on the forum, or laughed at. I have my reasons to believe it's MJ in disguise but I will refrain from sharing it from now on. Laughing at thoughts like this is disrespectful and childish, and since we all know that anything is possible with Michael Jackson, it's pretty ignorant as well.
I never thought Pinoccio or greenman were MJ, but I didn't laugh at it, because I am sure he goes out in disguises, and I have a list of them myself, so why laugh at it? If you can't prove someone wrong, you can't possibly make fun of their ideas. Practice what you preach and if you disagree, just simply disagree without making fun of people. I don't give a fuck because people already think I'm insane, but I know there are people on here who do care and feel offended by it. Think about that the next time you laugh at someone without proving them wrong or backing up your claims, and remember that you also could be very wrong. Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not.
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Now Murray is Michael?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif)
:lol: Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-026.gif)
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. :lol:
I think we have seen him much more then we even suspected on here. I have a list and there are few on there that were never even posted on the forum, or laughed at. I have my reasons to believe it's MJ in disguise but I will refrain from sharing it from now on. Laughing at thoughts like this is disrespectful and childish, and since we all know that anything is possible with Michael Jackson, it's pretty ignorant as well.
I never thought Pinoccio or greenman were MJ, but I didn't laugh at it, because I am sure he goes out in disguises, and I have a list of them myself, so why laugh at it? If you can't prove someone wrong, you can't possibly make fun of their ideas. Practice what you preach and if you disagree, just simply disagree without making fun of people. I don't give a fuck because people already think I'm insane, but I know there are people on here who do care and feel offended by it. Think about that the next time you laugh at someone without proving them wrong or backing up your claims, and remember that you also could be very wrong. Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not.
No need to be offended Souza. I never judged you why you think Murray is Michael. I believe that the hat man at the memorial was Michael. So I do believe he use disguises. I'm not ridiculing ANYONE here, I'm having fun with the idea of Michael in all of those disguises. It makes me laugh. Not laughing at anyone's thoughts, laughing at the image I create on my mind seeing Michael disguised as a blonde lady or Murray etc. ;) My opinion about Michael disguised as Murray; it is beyond craziness. But still it is fun to think of him disguised like Murray.
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(I feel Macaulay Culkin was hatman at the memorial only.)
I've always felt there were 2 Murrays, and way back someone did a line-up of eyes/mouth etc. of youtube Murray and MJ, and they matched. Also there has been such a strong consistent placing of MJ/Murray pics side-by-side on TMZ that makes you wonder if they're hinting. Murray's Youtube messages seemed to be MJ's words to us. There was that weird half white hand on the original Murray pic we had. There's the fact that beach Murray has a major pot and the recent Murray is trim. His fingers do look like younger MJ's. And what was with hatman at the funeral's paisley tie matching Murray's going to court. Got to admit something fishy but what. They have certainly been toying with us. There was pic of that extra black big Murray in the beginning who's face didn't look like our Murray. They showed that supposed uncle of Murray's that was just our Murray with gray hair and a beard :lol: . They've obviously taken all the pics of Murray pre June 25,09 since no one seems to know him or care to even look his way. Murray says he loves MJ's mother like his own. When he says, "I am an innocent man", it reminds me of Michael's song notes scribbled after his trial, Innocent Man. Everything about his medical practise and patients is downright off. I know in the making of the Lord of the Rings, they can do amazing things to produce the illusion that someone is way taller than others, like Gandalf and the hobbits. I'd like to see that lawyer that always walks with Murray, with some other people so we know his true height. We may have to laugh our heads off at the final truth of just how great an actor MJ is, and how public he actually has been through this whole hoax. But not knowing and feeling the sting of others laughing at us is hard to take. Right since the beginning Murray has somehow seemed like Michael to me, but I have no proof. What a major shenanaigan MJ has pulled off here. Hope no one kills themself over this.
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wonder if you can fake an outty?
If you can fake a pregnancy with a prosthetic belly, you can fake an outty too. ;)
Why fake an outtie....here's Michael's and Murray's...
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wonder if you can fake an outty?
If you can fake a pregnancy with a prosthetic belly, you can fake an outty too. ;)
Why fake an outtie....here's Michael's and Murray's...
OMG he is so sexy in that pic. (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/drooling/drooling-5.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net) (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/drooling/drooling-6.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-drooling-smileys.html) (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/drooling/drooling-2.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-drooling-smileys.html)
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You can see more pictures of Murray here. It seems like they made a photo shoot again. :lol:
http://x17online.com/gallery/view_gallery.php?gallery=DrMurray032911Part2_X17&index=5
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The dude is really tall. Especially to be Michael in disguise. ;) And definitely that's not Michael's hot ass. :lol: They took 33 pictures of him. 33
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2u61clw.jpg)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/24ywe29.jpg)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/243kjn9.jpg)
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Now Murray is Michael?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif)
:lol: Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-026.gif)
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. :lol:
I think we have seen him much more then we even suspected on here. I have a list and there are few on there that were never even posted on the forum, or laughed at. I have my reasons to believe it's MJ in disguise but I will refrain from sharing it from now on. Laughing at thoughts like this is disrespectful and childish, and since we all know that anything is possible with Michael Jackson, it's pretty ignorant as well.
I never thought Pinoccio or greenman were MJ, but I didn't laugh at it, because I am sure he goes out in disguises, and I have a list of them myself, so why laugh at it? If you can't prove someone wrong, you can't possibly make fun of their ideas. Practice what you preach and if you disagree, just simply disagree without making fun of people. I don't give a fuck because people already think I'm insane, but I know there are people on here who do care and feel offended by it. Think about that the next time you laugh at someone without proving them wrong or backing up your claims, and remember that you also could be very wrong. Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not.
I am sure the laugh is on the summary of Michael's possible appearances, not your opinion.(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/natur/nature-smiley-017.gif)
I thought and still think between blond woman and fedora man on memorial as Michael.
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Murray sure has lost that beer gut since the swim pics hasn't he :)
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Murray sure has lost that beer gut since the swim pics hasn't he :)
He must have runned fast and a lot on that beach. :lol: ahhh and he was going to gym, remember? He is a sportive dude. It's not easy to be the star of the movie. :lol:
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The dude is really tall. Especially to be Michael in disguise. ;) And definitely that's not Michael's hot ass. :lol: They took 33 pictures of him. 33
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2u61clw.jpg)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/24ywe29.jpg)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/243kjn9.jpg)
Thank you for finding these photos. As I said too. This guy is at least 6'0 if not even 6'3. I personally don't need people around him to be able to state this
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We can actually see one of the Murray's height in certain pics, but I will stop mentioning it. It's 'beyond crazy' and people can see someone's height without any reference next to it, so there is no use.
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wonder if you can fake an outty?
If you can fake a pregnancy with a prosthetic belly, you can fake an outty too. ;)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_v92n-ab5zQI/TKeiylG0MBI/AAAAAAAAAM8/hj1qdbzPMnw/s200/pregnant-prosthetic-belly-01.jpg)
http://www.myfakepregnancy.com/2010/10/how-to-fake-pregnancy.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_4684978_fake-being-pregnant-fool-people.html
oh my goodness! you couldn't pay me enough to wear that thing around. so are the zippers or whatever in the back? :lol: :lol: :lol:
look i know the murry/ michael stuff seems down right crazy , but it has been nagging at me for a long time now. i have trouble reconciling all of the michaels to each other. i don't know if that makes any sense but something is just weird about it all ( yes i can hear you all saying to yourself who is weird ;) ) maybe i am but there is something about it that i just can't shake.
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(I feel Macaulay Culkin was hatman at the memorial only.)
I've always felt there were 2 Murrays, and way back someone did a line-up of eyes/mouth etc. of youtube Murray and MJ, and they matched. Also there has been such a strong consistent placing of MJ/Murray pics side-by-side on TMZ that makes you wonder if they're hinting. Murray's Youtube messages seemed to be MJ's words to us. There was that weird half white hand on the original Murray pic we had. There's the fact that beach Murray has a major pot and the recent Murray is trim. His fingers do look like younger MJ's. And what was with hatman at the funeral's paisley tie matching Murray's going to court. Got to admit something fishy but what. They have certainly been toying with us. There was pic of that extra black big Murray in the beginning who's face didn't look like our Murray. They showed that supposed uncle of Murray's that was just our Murray with gray hair and a beard :lol: . They've obviously taken all the pics of Murray pre June 25,09 since no one seems to know him or care to even look his way. Murray says he loves MJ's mother like his own. When he says, "I am an innocent man", it reminds me of Michael's song notes scribbled after his trial, Innocent Man. Everything about his medical practise and patients is downright off. I know in the making of the Lord of the Rings, they can do amazing things to produce the illusion that someone is way taller than others, like Gandalf and the hobbits. I'd like to see that lawyer that always walks with Murray, with some other people so we know his true height. We may have to laugh our heads off at the final truth of just how great an actor MJ is, and how public he actually has been through this whole hoax. But not knowing and feeling the sting of others laughing at us is hard to take. Right since the beginning Murray has somehow seemed like Michael to me, but I have no proof. What a major shenanaigan MJ has pulled off here. Hope no one kills themself over this.
Ditto, amen, +1, and right on.
Who says this guy isn't wearing lifts bordering on mini-stilts? If MJ is 5'11, and Murray is 6'3 you're only talking 4". If MJ is 5'9 that would be 6". Add a body suit for big shoulders (and sometimes a pot belly), a mask and viola, there's Murray.
I'm telling you: either Murray is MJ is disguise (at least sometimes) or someone is taking great painS to make it appear that way.
Maybe that's how MJ left Carolwood. I never thought that guy in white in stretcher gif looked like Murray. I thought he was some orderly. That man looks young and awkward and gangly.
Crazy right? Right. So is believing MJ faked his death. That's super crazy thinking.
We forgot to add that the O2 Guy appeared to have very broad shoulders and be very built, with a wig that accentuated the size of his head (blockhead-too big). He didn't look/act/talk/walk quite like MJ and yet he was presented to us as MJ. Now we have Murray... who doesn't always look the same. Sometimes he's not quite right; he's a little too thin or young or fit or fat or tall or not. His top lip doesn't move when he speaks. His skin has a strange fold at the base of his neck :| . Then we have LKL Dave Dave who doesn't quite look like the IRL Dave Dave, his skin is a little too smooth or too flushed, he has bigger ears, he has hands or he doesn't, his shoulders are unusually broad, his nose seems narrower and smaller. He sounds just like MJ. He interrupts Larry King. Very bold. Very confident on Live TV.
If you can disregard everything you "know" to be impossible In Real Life, then all the clues point to Murray=MJ in disguise. Just look at the pictures with your eyes... and not with your preconceived notions. Look at the situation as you would when you were a kid, before all your dreams came crashing down to reality at your feet.
It is possible. Michael Jackson=Magic.
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or mj=murry in disguise
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/18/0118-kid-conrad-murray-photo-ex-tmz.jpg)
Murray not to have clothes great or these photos are done the same day :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
Great catch Paula!! I think this is a pretty big clue because the picture they used for the article is basically confirming that all/most of these pictures of Murray were taken before 6/25/09 or at least thats my opinion. Maybe sometimes we over analyze things and should take a step back and realize that its all pretty simple. However I definitely think we should pick apart the article itself because I just have a feeling that its loaded with clues that I know are there but I can't quite put my finger on. :?
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/18/0118-kid-conrad-murray-photo-ex-tmz.jpg)
Murray not to have clothes great or these photos are done the same day :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
Great catch Paula!! I think this is a pretty big clue because the picture they used for the article is basically confirming that all/most of these pictures of Murray were taken before 6/25/09 or at least thats my opinion. Maybe sometimes we over analyze things and should take a step back and realize that its all pretty simple. However I definitely think we should pick apart the article itself because I just have a feeling that its loaded with clues that I know are there but I can't quite put my finger on. :?
Hello StrangerInCalifornia!!!!
You're right,but I have a strange feeling looking at the picture with Murray and that boy wearing glasses.DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO THIS BOY IS???? Because it looks familiar to me????? :idea: [/size]
LOVE
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this murry doesn't look the same to me as he has some other times. guess it is just the way the shot is taken. sometimes it seems like a lot that we perceive is all about the cameras or should i say the technique.
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More then one Murray.
Like more then one MJ, and more then one Dave Dave, and more then one Hatman, and more then one Blonde Lady, and even, more then one Klein.
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One then one Murray.
Like more then one MJ, and more then one Dave Dave, and more then one Hatman, and more then one Blonde Lady, and even, more then one Klein.
it's a plot to drive us mmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddddddd
i think it is working
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Oops. I meant more then one Murray.
Not one then one Murray. Ugh. Darn editing time limit. Souza, can you edit that so I don't go on record posting gibberish?
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I've always loved the Michael-as-Murray possibility and I would certainly never rule it out. It's actually the easiest answer if you think about it. And I agree that there seems to be a lot of characters in this hoax that have two versions of themselves.
Why does Murray appear to wear the same outfits over and over again? I agree with those who also say these photos were staged a while ago, likely before June 25th. The word fitch got me wondering. A definition of fitch from the urban dictionary is "To say a made up word with enough confidence to convince others it is a real word." FITCH is written across Murray's chest. Maybe alter that definition by replacing "word" with "person".
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Is there anyone on this forum who has seen Murray for real, maybe when he arrived for the trial? It seems he's changing from a big belly to no belly to a little belly and so on. :lol: I also find it strange that in all the pictures he is so relaxed and no one seems to bother him.That makes me think the pictures are put in scene and manipulated to make him look as tall or as fat as they want.
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I guess we shall concentrate (using our ambulance-photo-skills learned at the other thread :lol: ) for investigating WHEN actually were Murray photos taken!
We shall examine the background and everything...
Who's in? :?
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/18/0118-kid-conrad-murray-photo-ex-tmz.jpg)
Murray not to have clothes great or these photos are done the same day :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
Great catch Paula!! I think this is a pretty big clue because the picture they used for the article is basically confirming that all/most of these pictures of Murray were taken before 6/25/09 or at least thats my opinion. Maybe sometimes we over analyze things and should take a step back and realize that its all pretty simple. However I definitely think we should pick apart the article itself because I just have a feeling that its loaded with clues that I know are there but I can't quite put my finger on. :?
Hello StrangerInCalifornia!!!!
You're right,but I have a strange feeling looking at the picture with Murray and that boy wearing glasses.DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO THIS BOY IS???? Because it looks familiar to me????? :idea: [/size]
LOVE
He looks like he could be related to Murray (if and when he's not being played by Michael). I think I remember a while ago someone found the website of the guy in the picture but I'm not sure cuz my brain is starting to turn to mush these days lol
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I guess we shall concentrate (using our ambulance-photo-skills learned at the other thread :lol: ) for investigating WHEN actually were Murray photos taken!
We shall examine the background and everything...
Who's in? :?
I'm not sure if I could be much help, but I'm definitely in!
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We can actually see one of the Murray's height in certain pics, but I will stop mentioning it. It's 'beyond crazy' and people can see someone's height without any reference next to it, so there is no use.
Why do you care what others say Souza? Everyone is stating their opinions and as you can see there're lots of people like you here who see the "beyond craziness" with my words. Can Michael disguise as Murray? Yeah, why not? Is this Michael disguised as Murray? No way, beyond craziness to me. I'm not saying you people are crazy but the way he looks has nothing to do with Michael plus he's too tall to be Michael in disguise as I wrote before. I'm not ridiculing or humiliating anyone here. That's just my opinion as I do not see any different Murrays like some of you do. So there's no need to get offended as everyone has a right to state their opinion. So pls go ahead. I'm sure that there're lots of people here who will be interested for further search about this issue.
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We can actually see one of the Murray's height in certain pics, but I will stop mentioning it. It's 'beyond crazy' and people can see someone's height without any reference next to it, so there is no use.
Why do you care what others say Souza? Everyone is stating their opinions and as you can see there're lots of people like you here who see the "beyond craziness" with my words. Can Michael disguise as Murray? Yeah, why not? Is this Michael disguised as Murray? No way, beyond craziness to me. I'm not saying you people are crazy but the way he looks has nothing to do with Michael plus he's too tall to be Michael in disguise as I wrote before. I'm not ridiculing or humiliating anyone here. That's just my opinion as I do not see any different Murrays like some of you do. So there's no need to get offended as everyone has a right to state their opinion. So pls go ahead. I'm sure that there're lots of people here who will be interested for further search about this issue.
No PureLove, I won't. I am done with the topic. Many people tried to explain how certain things can be done and you are either not reading, or simply ignoring it. I do not care what others say, I am simply not spending any more of my time on it when people are ridiculing it without solid arguments, or keep repeating arguments that have been debunked already. There is no use and this is going in circles. This shouldn't be about who is right, it should be a discussion where people challenge each other, but that means looking at things from all perspectives, even if you think it's beyond crazy.
Other than you might expect, I am not offended. If I really am offended then trust me; you will know for sure.
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/18/0118-kid-conrad-murray-photo-ex-tmz.jpg)
Murray not to have clothes great or these photos are done the same day :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
Great catch Paula!! I think this is a pretty big clue because the picture they used for the article is basically confirming that all/most of these pictures of Murray were taken before 6/25/09 or at least thats my opinion. Maybe sometimes we over analyze things and should take a step back and realize that its all pretty simple. However I definitely think we should pick apart the article itself because I just have a feeling that its loaded with clues that I know are there but I can't quite put my finger on. :?
Hello StrangerInCalifornia!!!!
You're right,but I have a strange feeling looking at the picture with Murray and that boy wearing glasses.DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO THIS BOY IS???? Because it looks familiar to me????? :idea: [/size]
LOVE
yes this boy looks fimiliar to me too..did we see him on tmz? i feel like ive seen the picture of that boy on here in this forum but cant for the life of me find it :oops: but i do remember seeing him...where oh where did it go...lol..sorry cant be of help.. :oops:
huggs n faith n love..
suzz
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/18/0118-kid-conrad-murray-photo-ex-tmz.jpg)
Murray not to have clothes great or these photos are done the same day :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
Great catch Paula!! I think this is a pretty big clue because the picture they used for the article is basically confirming that all/most of these pictures of Murray were taken before 6/25/09 or at least thats my opinion. Maybe sometimes we over analyze things and should take a step back and realize that its all pretty simple. However I definitely think we should pick apart the article itself because I just have a feeling that its loaded with clues that I know are there but I can't quite put my finger on. :?
Hello StrangerInCalifornia!!!!
You're right,but I have a strange feeling looking at the picture with Murray and that boy wearing glasses.DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO THIS BOY IS???? Because it looks familiar to me????? :idea: [/size]
LOVE
yes this boy looks fimiliar to me too..did we see him on tmz? i feel like ive seen the picture of that boy on here in this forum but cant for the life of me find it :oops: but i do remember seeing him...where oh where did it go...lol..sorry cant be of help.. :oops:
huggs n faith n love..
suzz
You're right, it seems to be Terry Henderson featuring in the Hold My Hand music video.
MJ Music Video Dancer -- I Support Dr. Murray
1/18/2011 2:30 AM PST by TMZ Staff
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Not every Michael Jackson fan HATES Dr. Conrad Murray ... in fact, one of the guys who danced in the new MJ music video met up with Conrad this past weekend ... and insists, "He's a nice guy."
TMZ has learned Terry Henderson -- who was featured in the "Hold My Hand" video -- ran into Murray at 3rd Street Promenade shopping center in Santa Monica on Sunday ... and immediately struck up a conversation.
Henderson told us he fully supports Murray through his "tough legal battle" ... even though most hardcore MJ fans view Conrad as the enemy.
Henderson's olive branch got us thinking -- will MJ fans ever be able to make peace with Murray?
After all, MJ did preach love and forgiveness, right?
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=12501)
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/18/0118-kid-conrad-murray-photo-ex-tmz.jpg)
I do not see the similarity
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/18/0118-kid-conrad-murray-photo-ex-tmz.jpg)
Murray not to have clothes great or these photos are done the same day :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
Great catch Paula!! I think this is a pretty big clue because the picture they used for the article is basically confirming that all/most of these pictures of Murray were taken before 6/25/09 or at least thats my opinion. Maybe sometimes we over analyze things and should take a step back and realize that its all pretty simple. However I definitely think we should pick apart the article itself because I just have a feeling that its loaded with clues that I know are there but I can't quite put my finger on. :?
Hello StrangerInCalifornia!!!!
You're right,but I have a strange feeling looking at the picture with Murray and that boy wearing glasses.DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO THIS BOY IS???? Because it looks familiar to me????? :idea: [/size]
LOVE
yes this boy looks fimiliar to me too..did we see him on tmz? i feel like ive seen the picture of that boy on here in this forum but cant for the life of me find it :oops: but i do remember seeing him...where oh where did it go...lol..sorry cant be of help.. :oops:
huggs n faith n love..
suzz
You're right, it seems to be Terry Henderson featuring in the Hold My Hand music video.
MJ Music Video Dancer -- I Support Dr. Murray
1/18/2011 2:30 AM PST by TMZ Staff
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Not every Michael Jackson fan HATES Dr. Conrad Murray ... in fact, one of the guys who danced in the new MJ music video met up with Conrad this past weekend ... and insists, "He's a nice guy."
TMZ has learned Terry Henderson -- who was featured in the "Hold My Hand" video -- ran into Murray at 3rd Street Promenade shopping center in Santa Monica on Sunday ... and immediately struck up a conversation.
Henderson told us he fully supports Murray through his "tough legal battle" ... even though most hardcore MJ fans view Conrad as the enemy.
Henderson's olive branch got us thinking -- will MJ fans ever be able to make peace with Murray?
After all, MJ did preach love and forgiveness, right?
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
Thank you everlastinglove!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes he was in Hold my hand video,indeed thank you for reminded me.But I also saw him in another place,in a video to be more specific.Now maybe I'm wrong but take a look here,in this video ,starting 11:05 minute.I think he was younger there but please observe the shape of the ears :idea: .Please tell me what
you or the rest think!!!!
[youtube:1w3gw3yi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbRWog8jUFs&feature=related[/youtube:1w3gw3yi]
LOVE
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/01/18/0118-kid-conrad-murray-photo-ex-tmz.jpg)
Murray not to have clothes great or these photos are done the same day :lol:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
Great catch Paula!! I think this is a pretty big clue because the picture they used for the article is basically confirming that all/most of these pictures of Murray were taken before 6/25/09 or at least thats my opinion. Maybe sometimes we over analyze things and should take a step back and realize that its all pretty simple. However I definitely think we should pick apart the article itself because I just have a feeling that its loaded with clues that I know are there but I can't quite put my finger on. :?
Hello StrangerInCalifornia!!!!
You're right,but I have a strange feeling looking at the picture with Murray and that boy wearing glasses.DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO THIS BOY IS???? Because it looks familiar to me????? :idea: [/size]
LOVE
yes this boy looks fimiliar to me too..did we see him on tmz? i feel like ive seen the picture of that boy on here in this forum but cant for the life of me find it :oops: but i do remember seeing him...where oh where did it go...lol..sorry cant be of help.. :oops:
huggs n faith n love..
suzz
You're right, it seems to be Terry Henderson featuring in the Hold My Hand music video.
MJ Music Video Dancer -- I Support Dr. Murray
1/18/2011 2:30 AM PST by TMZ Staff
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Not every Michael Jackson fan HATES Dr. Conrad Murray ... in fact, one of the guys who danced in the new MJ music video met up with Conrad this past weekend ... and insists, "He's a nice guy."
TMZ has learned Terry Henderson -- who was featured in the "Hold My Hand" video -- ran into Murray at 3rd Street Promenade shopping center in Santa Monica on Sunday ... and immediately struck up a conversation.
Henderson told us he fully supports Murray through his "tough legal battle" ... even though most hardcore MJ fans view Conrad as the enemy.
Henderson's olive branch got us thinking -- will MJ fans ever be able to make peace with Murray?
After all, MJ did preach love and forgiveness, right?
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad ... e-traitor/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/18/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-music-video-hold-my-hand-fan-picture-traitor/)
Thank you everlastinglove!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes he was in Hold my hand video,indeed thank you for reminded me.But I also saw him in another place,in a video to be more specific.Now maybe I'm wrong but take a look here,in this video ,starting 11:05 minute.I think he was younger there but please observe the shape of the ears :idea: .Please tell me what
you or the rest think!!!!
[youtube:2yfp4se7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbRWog8jUFs&feature=related[/youtube:2yfp4se7]
LOVE
Yes, applehead250609, I watched the video and I noticed it too, the same smile as well. Very possible, because this fan loves to dance and he did quite a performance there. May be Michael wanted to give him a chance in the 'Hold My Hand' music video.
Btw I enjoyed the cake fight, I loved to watch that Michael enjoyed it too :lol: :lol: :lol:
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This is an adult publication and Michael was criticized by some people for having porn magazines at home.
I don't get that, seriously... I would be concerned if a guy did NOT have porn SOMEWHERE in his house or on his computer. They are guys, that's what they have :lol: Why would Mike be any different?
It's hypocrite that they make an elephant out of a mosquito in the US when it comes to porn and nudity, while it has the biggest porn industry in the world.
Well, didn´t they get upset because Michael had ART BOOKS with "nude" people in it? :lol: :lol:
I have seen the program "Funniest American videos", censoring the titties and butt of doggies!!! :lol: :lol:
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[youtube:s0dvo22v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESGptNNsJ0&feature=related[/youtube:s0dvo22v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESGptNNsJ0&feature=related
Right!! ;) Does it bring memories anyone??
[youtube:s0dvo22v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLpABElGXb8[/youtube:s0dvo22v]
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Now Murray is Michael?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif)
:lol: Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-026.gif)
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. :lol:
I think we have seen him much more then we even suspected on here. I have a list and there are few on there that were never even posted on the forum, or laughed at. I have my reasons to believe it's MJ in disguise but I will refrain from sharing it from now on. Laughing at thoughts like this is disrespectful and childish, and since we all know that anything is possible with Michael Jackson, it's pretty ignorant as well.
I never thought Pinoccio or greenman were MJ, but I didn't laugh at it, because I am sure he goes out in disguises, and I have a list of them myself, so why laugh at it? If you can't prove someone wrong, you can't possibly make fun of their ideas. Practice what you preach and if you disagree, just simply disagree without making fun of people. I don't give a fuck because people already think I'm insane, but I know there are people on here who do care and feel offended by it. Think about that the next time you laugh at someone without proving them wrong or backing up your claims, and remember that you also could be very wrong. Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not.
I totally agree with your post Souza. I have been writing the same thing so many times that up to this point I assume it will never ever penetrate in to her brain (and who behaves alike). Been there and done it. Moving on.
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Is there anyone on this forum who has seen Murray for real, maybe when he arrived for the trial? It seems he's changing from a big belly to no belly to a little belly and so on. :lol: I also find it strange that in all the pictures he is so relaxed and no one seems to bother him.That makes me think the pictures are put in scene and manipulated to make him look as tall or as fat as they want.
I remember reading in twitter about people who went to the prelim and "saw" Murray, so they confirmed it was him.
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Imo, Murray is the metaphor of Michael.
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Imo, Murray is the metaphor of Michael.
I believe so too. We can endlessly speculate and analyze whether Conrad Murray is real or fake. He is in fact a metaphor of Michael. He's the tool or representative of the message Truth Will Prevail.
L.O.V.E. & Faith
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Now Murray is Michael?
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-045.gif)
:lol: Actually now Michael happens to be is Murray. Michael's roles within last 18 months: blond woman, man in fedora, green man, then Dave Dave, now Murray. Did I miss something? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-026.gif)
Does this sound like Michael? I doubt so. Too much.
You forgot the old man. All of the old men appeared in MJ related videos were Michael too. :lol:
I think we have seen him much more then we even suspected on here. I have a list and there are few on there that were never even posted on the forum, or laughed at. I have my reasons to believe it's MJ in disguise but I will refrain from sharing it from now on. Laughing at thoughts like this is disrespectful and childish, and since we all know that anything is possible with Michael Jackson, it's pretty ignorant as well.
I never thought Pinoccio or greenman were MJ, but I didn't laugh at it, because I am sure he goes out in disguises, and I have a list of them myself, so why laugh at it? If you can't prove someone wrong, you can't possibly make fun of their ideas. Practice what you preach and if you disagree, just simply disagree without making fun of people. I don't give a fuck because people already think I'm insane, but I know there are people on here who do care and feel offended by it. Think about that the next time you laugh at someone without proving them wrong or backing up your claims, and remember that you also could be very wrong. Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not.
I totally agree with your post Souza. I have been writing the same thing so many times that up to this point I assume it will never ever penetrate in to her brain (and who behaves alike). Been there and done it. Moving on.
Can you please stop jumping on me Gema?!? I'm sick of reading your posts where you attack me somehow. If you moved on then be it and move on but stop jumping on me and criticizing me!!! You're the LAST person who can criticize me on this forum. Grow up and stop being bitchy.
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[youtube:3oa5f7vm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhGtL2Kp0-Q&feature=related[/youtube:3oa5f7vm]
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Pure Love,
The fact that you feel attacked says more about you than me. As you noticed, I have not been the only one calling you out for the way you laugh at forum members :| never backing up your harsh comments, just going on with them in the most stubborn way.
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[youtube:3vjjb9f2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpYeekQkAdc[/youtube:3vjjb9f2]
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Gema, PureLove, NOW STOP IT! You two act like babies! Reporting each other's posts? So that I have to intervene? What am I? A kinder garten teacher? Not going there, you two are both adults and if you want to argue, do so in PM and please leave me alone.
Knock it out you two, or I will ban your asses for a few days so that you both can come to your senses. :evil:
(http://skepacabra.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/pot-kettle-black.jpg)
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Pure Love,
The fact that you feel attacked says more about you than me. As you noticed, I have not been the only one calling you out for the way you laugh at forum members :| never backing up your harsh comments, just going on with them in the most stubborn way.
The fact that I feel attacked is because you qouted my post Gema. Noone is stupid here not to understand this. Second of all, I wrote that I wasn't laughing at Souza's opinion and I was laughing at the image I create of Michael disguising as Murray in my mind. I explained it and Souza said nothing to it, so we moved on. What's the point of jumping on me and stirring the shit like you say always? Why do you jump on me always like you did on TS' thread? You wrote me that I was judgemental. And how funny that is to hear it from someone who calls people with names like "empthy box, symbiosis lives" etc. I apologized from you since I had no fault and as I never got into personal issues like calling people with names or humiliating them. You did it but I was the one who apologized from you and from others just because I became a part of the fight. But you keep on attacking me. I do not know what your personal problem with me is, but what you're doing is definitely off limits. As I wrote there I wasn't laughing at anyone's thought there and I think I have a right to laugh when I want to as long as I do not humiliate or have fun with anyone. So you're saying that you moved on, so be it and move on.
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Well, after reading your responses again, this is the song that comes to my mind...seriously, dedicated to you dear...
[youtube:3gh9nkml]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGMDBppWBOo[/youtube:3gh9nkml]
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What was not understood about PM???
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Gema, PureLove, NOW STOP IT! You two act like babies! Reporting each other's posts? So that I have to intervene? What am I? A kinder garten teacher? Not going there, you two are both adults and if you want to argue, do so in PM and please leave me alone.
Knock it out you two, or I will ban your asses for a few days so that you both can come to your senses. :evil:
(http://skepacabra.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/pot-kettle-black.jpg)
I'm not the one who keeps on jumping on people Souza. You can see it on TS' thread too. She keeps on jumping on me. Show me where I start the fight? You can't show it because I don't. But I'm seriously getting tired of Gema jumping on me all the time.
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Last warning. Cut it out now and move on. You are equally guilty. Now if I see one more fight between you two in public, you will both get banned for 3 days. I'm not kidding, I'm dead serious.
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Last warning. Cut it out now and move on. You are equally guilty. Now if I see one more fight between you two in public, you will both get banned for 3 days. I'm not kidding, I'm dead serious.
(http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-fighting-smileys-763.gif)
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awww girls come on pppppplllllllleeeeeeaaaaassssseeeee do we really want to lose another thread to this kind of stuff?please
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Gema if you have a personal issue with me, go ahead and PM me but PLEASE stop jumping on me, ok? I HATE to fight. So STOP starting the fights and move on. We don't have a right to bother others.
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PureLove, NOT IN HERE! This thread is called Barely Legal -- Good Enough for Conrad Murray, not "The PureLove and Gema show". In Holland we have an expression that says Do I speak Turkish? But I guess in this case maybe I should.
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PureLove, NOT IN HERE! This thread is called Barely Legal -- Good Enough for Conrad Murray, not "The PureLove and Gema show". In Holland we have an expression that says Do I speak Turkish? But I guess in this case maybe I should.
I'm done Souza. Why and what for do you use that expression by the way? I can help you speaking Turkish. :lol: Ok back to topic.
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PureLove, NOT IN HERE! This thread is called Barely Legal -- Good Enough for Conrad Murray, not "The PureLove and Gema show". In Holland we have an expression that says Do I speak Turkish? But I guess in this case maybe I should.
here in us it is am i speaking greek. we are still off topic but its funny.
i am returning to my original thoughts of what the statement could mean.
something either now or in the past that is goin on is barely legal. maybe that is what makes someone a
smooth criminal ;)
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Gema, PureLove, NOW STOP IT! You two act like babies! Reporting each other's posts? So that I have to intervene? What am I? A kinder garten teacher? Not going there, you two are both adults and if you want to argue, do so in PM and please leave me alone.
Knock it out you two, or I will ban your asses for a few days so that you both can come to your senses. :evil:
(http://skepacabra.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/pot-kettle-black.jpg)
I didn´t noticed this post. Your banning threats and opinions could have also been called in private, Souza.
Your own quote "Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not"
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Gema, PureLove, NOW STOP IT! You two act like babies! Reporting each other's posts? So that I have to intervene? What am I? A kinder garten teacher? Not going there, you two are both adults and if you want to argue, do so in PM and please leave me alone.
Knock it out you two, or I will ban your asses for a few days so that you both can come to your senses. :evil:
(http://skepacabra.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/pot-kettle-black.jpg)
I didn´t noticed this post. Your banning threats and opinions could have also been called in private, Souza.
Your own quote "Discussing and claiming you don't agree is fine, ridicule is not"
This is not ridicule, it's fact. You chose a public fight, then expect a public response from me. This is the last thing said about this.
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[youtube:111r72yd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhGtL2Kp0-Q&feature=related[/youtube:111r72yd]
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Souza, I choosed to give an opinion in public, as you did previously, and responded in public as well, Souza, not a fight.
Your post was not a fact, just your opinion and was way out of proportion as well.
I give an answer in level 3 and get responses in level 12. No fair balance in dealing with the situation.
Looks to me that a lot of tension have been in the forum this week, so please, don´t spit all your frustration on me.
I am not here to "win" confrontations and to be threatened was the least expected.
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Okay great and now we can move on
Back to topic
:mrgreen:
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I was looking on TMZ on the Barely Leagle topic, and whilst searching I found this
which highlights MJ was BARELY DEAD now I find that so odd, it did disappear a couple of times so I hope this link works, just thought it was weird :?
copied from TMZ the NUMBER OF YEARS HE SERVES IN PRISON FOR KILLING MICHAEL JACKSON! Justice for Michael, NOW ... It's because MJ was "barely dead".
http://www.tmz.com/search/articles/mich ... %20dead/1/ (http://www.tmz.com/search/articles/michael%20jackson%20barely%20dead/1/)
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:shock:
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what does this mean? :?
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what does this mean? :?
It's a comment (#11) written by Really? A believer for sure.
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what does this mean? :?
It's a comment (#11) written by Really? A believer for sure.
aha... okay, many thanks for your explanation! :)
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what does this mean? :?
It's a comment (#11) written by Really? A believer for sure.
aha... okay, many thanks for your explanation! :)
:)
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what does this mean? :?
It's a comment (#11) written by Really? A believer for sure.
aha... okay, many thanks for your explanation! :)
:)
btw I'm not a comment poster on TMZ's :|
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My sister turned 18 on Paris's birthday this year! :) I'm always so quick to relate myself.