Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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Dr. Klein Hands Over Michael Jackson's Records (http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/06/michael-jackson-doctor-arnie-klein-doctor-conrad-murray-dermatologist-manslaughter-trial-pretrial-hearing-demerol-injections/)
42 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's friend and dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein was forced to turn over medical records today from the final months of Michael's life ... TMZ has learned.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/04/06/0406-arnie-mj-ex-getty-01.jpg)
Dr. Klein and his attorney handed over the documents during a pretrial hearing in Dr. Conrad Murray's manslaughter case.
Murray's team wants the paperwork to determine exactly what drugs Klein used to treat MJ. As TMZ reported ... Klein's medical records show (http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/28/michael-jackson-affection-for-injection/) he injected Michael with Demerol 51 times in the three months before he died.
Last month, Dr. Klein asked the judge to quash the subpoena for his records. Fail.
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Does this go over as a negative or a positive :?
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Michael Jackson's friend and dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein was forced to turn over medical records today from the final months of Michael's life ... TMZ has learned.
seems pretty late in the process to me...
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Why is it that in this article it says Klein was "FORCED" to hand over these records, but if you click on the words in Blue,"medical records show", it will take you to another article where it says that Klein "Filed" the documents himself!!?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)
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And Klein is happened to be so naive that he could not destroy those records, kept as a golden ingot to turn to Murray's defense and help him get away from conviction. Moreover, take Murray's place and get charges. To me, this is either Michael's hoax reason moving on, or total bull, or another game . But there is no way it is normal for Klein to keep and get forced to turn in records just like that.
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And Klein is happened to be so naive that he could not destroy those records, kept as a golden ingot to turn to Murray's defense and help him get away from conviction. Moreover, take Murray's place and get charges. To me, this is either Michael's hoax reason moving on, or total bull, or another game . But there is no way it is normal for Klein to keep and get forced to turn in records just like that.
Doctors are required by law to keep medical records. It is also against the law to destroy them. Therefore Dr Klein is complying with the law here. Its totally "normal" behaviour for a doctor.
Im not sure why Dr Murray didnt keep records, though.. and this never seems to have been asked????
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And Klein is happened to be so naive that he could not destroy those records, kept as a golden ingot to turn to Murray's defense and help him get away from conviction. Moreover, take Murray's place and get charges. To me, this is either Michael's hoax reason moving on, or total bull, or another game . But there is no way it is normal for Klein to keep and get forced to turn in records just like that.
Doctors are required by law to keep medical records. It is also against the law to destroy them. Therefore Dr Klein is complying with the law here. Its totally "normal" behaviour for a doctor.
Im not sure why Dr Murray didnt keep records, though... and this never seems to have been asked????
Correct, all professionals have to keep clients records for 5 years in any field. But if Klein has done Demerol injection.....51 times in short period of time, that is OFF THE RECORD procedure. Unless Klein was legally performing cosmetic surgery and used Demerol as anesthetic drug, then nothing ODD about it or dangerous for Klein. But I highly doubt Michael could have done 51 surgeries within 3 months.So, if Klein was injecting Demerolto make MJ sleep, I don't think Michael would have slept at Klein's office; thus, no point to inject Demerol per request and record it. That is, Klein was doing something illegal, injecting Demerol because MJ asked him, those NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN RECORDED and kept.
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Question: Why wasn't this done... I don't know... Back when he actually "died"?! That would make more sense. Do an investigation, gather all of his records, then try to piece together what happens. Why wait nearly two years after the fact?
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To the above poster... Demerol is a pain-killer, not an aenesthetic.
And its clearly not "off the record", because he recorded it and thus, actually complied with medical practices of keeping accurate records of the treatment he was giving.
i dont know why he gave 51 shots of painkillers... im sure he will tell us in the trial.
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To the above poster... Demerol is a pain-killer, not an aenesthetic.
And its clearly not "off the record", because he recorded it and thus, actually complied with medical practices of keeping accurate records of the treatment he was giving.
i dont know why he gave 51 shots of painkillers... im sure he will tell us in the trial.
Damn, I confused with Diprivan=Propofol. Demerol is a painkiller similar to morphine. :shock: http://www.drugs.com/demerol.html (http://www.drugs.com/demerol.html)
I clearly see illegal activities from Klein. He most probably altered records.
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They are still trying to paint Michael as a drug addict and I don’t like it. If this trial is to commence, it is not about Michael’s drug habits. :evil:
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To the above poster... Demerol is a pain-killer, not an aenesthetic.
And its clearly not "off the record", because he recorded it and thus, actually complied with medical practices of keeping accurate records of the treatment he was giving.
i dont know why he gave 51 shots of painkillers... im sure he will tell us in the trial.
didn't he even bill the estate for it?
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hesouttamylife wrote:
They are still trying to paint Michael as a drug addict and I don’t like it. If this trial is to commence, it is not about Michael’s drug habits.
if in the future will say that Michael provoked his "death ", well I was told to say first that was injected and drank after propofol :?
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Why is it that in this article it says Klein was "FORCED" to hand over these records, but if you click on the words in Blue,"medical records show", it will take you to another article where it says that Klein "Filed" the documents himself!!?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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If you keep going back and looking at the other TMZ reports on Klein, you will see that he is also claiming to have done 179 procedures on Michael in the last 3 months of his life!!! That is an average of 2 procedures a day for 3 months!!! :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It is all Pure BS!!!! ;)
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viewtopic.php?f=219&t=18386#p316215 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=219&t=18386#p316215)
Motion to quash motion to subpoena Arnold Klein:
Judge ruling: Denied without Prejudice. The ruling is still in Limbo due to the fact that Arnold Klein’s lawyer claims the subpoena was founded on non-proven allegations and inaccurate information by the defense in their written motion to subpoena Klein.
Defense wanted Klein’s medical reports for Michael from October 2008 to June 2009 and that they still haven’t received all records and that Arnold Klein should be subpoenaed.
Klein’s lawyer takes the stand claiming that Klein was out of the country all the month of May 2009 and that therefore the motion is invalid. Motion to subpoena also claimed that Klein gave Michael Demerol and but Klein’s lawyer claims there is no proof.
Furthermore, Klein’s lawyer states that he contacted Weitzman and that he claimed the Estate of Michael Jackson didn’t need Klein to be subpoenaed!
Judge wants Klein’s lawyer to hand the remaining missing documents to the defense in an “on camera review” on April 6th to be able to make a final decision on that motion as well.
viewtopic.php?f=219&t=18386#p316315 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=219&t=18386#p316315)
Not everything coming out is a joke. This was a legal matter back on March 22, 2011 and today was the day the judge said for Arnie to turn over the remaining documents. It is the defense who asked for these documents to help with Murray's defense, the D.A. didn't ask for it. If you go to the link I posted right above my comment there are some videos that will help explain alot of the procedures Arnie did for Michael. He was rebuilding his face. 8-)
Except for this comment I made: He cleary states he gave Michael 51 injections of demerol over a 3 month period around the time of Michaels' "death". See video below.
It was an error on my part. Everything else is still my opinion as accurate to the best of my knowledge. The documents Arnie filed is a bill for services provided to Michael. The bill was sent to the Estate.
Peace
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Thanks for posting that info and links Im_convincedmjalive, I had not seen all of those videos before. Dr. Klein thoroughly knows his field and is a very smooth talker. It's hard to find the holes or dishonesty, except for when his eyes shift makes you wonder. He and Hoefflin can't both be telling the truth. What a deep rabbit hole. :?
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Michael even sang about DEMEROL 8-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bge6KdcB ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bge6KdcB4FI&feature=related)
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How about Michael is trying to expose Dr. Klein, he found out what he was doing. That's why he hoaxed his death, to expose everyone who tried to give him these lethal drugs? IMO. ;)
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How about Michael is trying to expose Dr. Klein, he found out what he was doing. That's why he hoaxed his death, to expose everyone who tried to give him these lethal drugs? IMO. ;)
I've thought about that too. I think it makes sense! 8-)
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I hope so. What makes me pissed when these morons trying to blame Michael they say "he wanted, he begged..for pain killer.". MF...ers, even if it is true, they know that it does not relieve their negligence. They are responsible to care not to please patient. But they don't care when they see $$$$.
I have a new theory about the hoax. I think another option is that family started the hoax after they got to the hospital and saw Michael vary bad. Remember he had a pulse in the hospital, he did not die. But family decided to save him from monsters, they announced him dead. Therefore Jermain took that responsibility and La Toya signed whatever doctor should sign. The ambulance fake photo part, can be explained that Ben could not take photo, he just photoshopped picture and sold out to make $$$. But hoax did not start there. IDK. This is my another opinion of hoax procedure. And I remember we had here consideration about the story that some time before Jacksons wanted to kidnap Michael to save him. Randy said that if I am not mistaking. Does anyone remember that?That's what happened, they kidnapped Michael from hospital and said "that's it, no more King of Pop; we don't want Michael dead".
Therefore I think MJ won't be back. I have that feeling. I wish I am wrong. [/b] :(
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I hope so. What makes me pissed when these morons trying to blame Michael they say "he wanted, he begged..for pain killer.". MF...ers, even if it is true, they know that it does not relieve their negligence. They are responsible to care not to please patient. But they don't care when they see $$$$.
I have a new theory about the hoax. I think another option is that family started the hoax after they got to the hospital and saw Michael vary bad. Remember he had a pulse in the hospital, he did not die. But family decided to save him from monsters, they announced him dead. Therefore Jermain took that responsibility and La Toya signed whatever doctor should sign. The ambulance fake photo part, can be explained that Ben could not take photo, he just photoshopped picture and sold out to make $$$. But hoax did not start there. IDK. This is my another opinion of hoax procedure. And I remember we had here consideration about the story that some time before Jacksons wanted to kidnap Michael to save him. Randy said that if I am not mistaking. Does anyone remember that?That's what happened, they kidnapped Michael from hospital and said "that's it, no more King of Pop; we don't want Michael dead".
Therefore I think MJ won't be back. I have that feeling. I wish I am wrong. [/b] :(
Doesn't make sense. We clearly can see that this was well planned way before June 25, 2009.
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I hope so. What makes me pissed when these morons trying to blame Michael they say "he wanted, he begged..for pain killer.". MF...ers, even if it is true, they know that it does not relieve their negligence. They are responsible to care not to please patient. But they don't care when they see $$$$.
I have a new theory about the hoax. I think another option is that family started the hoax after they got to the hospital and saw Michael vary bad. Remember he had a pulse in the hospital, he did not die. But family decided to save him from monsters, they announced him dead. Therefore Jermain took that responsibility and La Toya signed whatever doctor should sign. The ambulance fake photo part, can be explained that Ben could not take photo, he just photoshopped picture and sold out to make $$$. But hoax did not start there. IDK. This is my another opinion of hoax procedure. And I remember we had here consideration about the story that some time before Jacksons wanted to kidnap Michael to save him. Randy said that if I am not mistaking. Does anyone remember that?That's what happened, they kidnapped Michael from hospital and said "that's it, no more King of Pop; we don't want Michael dead".
Therefore I think MJ won't be back. I have that feeling. I wish I am wrong. [/b] :(
It could be, we should explore every possibility. Maybe he is in a rehab center who knows. Coming back he will.
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Coroner at Office of Jackson Doc
Originally posted Jul 14th 2009 11:36 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
We've learned an official from the L.A. County Coroner's office just showed up at the office of Dr. Arnold Klein, Michael Jackson's dermatologist, and he's on the hunt for medical records.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/07/14/0714_winter_tmz_video-1.jpg)
WATCH VIDEO: http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true) ... f44d372d6e
Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter just went inside Dr. Klein's office. As we first reported, law enforcement is saying privately Dr. Klein has not cooperated in turning over files they requested.
Winter confirmed with TMZ just moments ago before walking in -- Dr. Klein is under investigation. We're told law enforcement is investigating Dr. Klein's prescription practices as they relate to Jackson -- including prescribing meds using aliases.
Sources say Winter is there to retrieve more patient records of Michael Jackson.
Story developing...
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/14/michael-j (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/14/michael-j) ... ter-death/
and what happened with this?
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Coroner at Office of Jackson Doc
Originally posted Jul 14th 2009 11:36 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
We've learned an official from the L.A. County Coroner's office just showed up at the office of Dr. Arnold Klein, Michael Jackson's dermatologist, and he's on the hunt for medical records.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/07/14/0714_winter_tmz_video-1.jpg)
WATCH VIDEO: http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true) ... f44d372d6e
Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter just went inside Dr. Klein's office. As we first reported, law enforcement is saying privately Dr. Klein has not cooperated in turning over files they requested.
Winter confirmed with TMZ just moments ago before walking in -- Dr. Klein is under investigation. We're told law enforcement is investigating Dr. Klein's prescription practices as they relate to Jackson -- including prescribing meds using aliases.
Sources say Winter is there to retrieve more patient records of Michael Jackson.
Story developing...
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/14/michael-j (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/14/michael-j) ... ter-death/
and what happened with this?
When i click to the address it gives me this error message
404 Page Not Found.
We're sorry, but we weren't able to find that page.
Perhaps we can interest you in one of the categories below.
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I hope so.
I have a new theory about the hoax. I think another option is that family started the hoax after they got to the hospital and saw Michael vary bad. Remember he had a pulse in the hospital, he did not die. But family decided to save him from monsters, they announced him dead. Therefore Jermain took that responsibility and La Toya signed whatever doctor should sign. The ambulance fake photo part, can be explained that Ben could not take photo, he just photoshopped picture and sold out to make $$$. But hoax did not start there. IDK. This is my another opinion of hoax procedure. And I remember we had here consideration about the story that some time before Jacksons wanted to kidnap Michael to save him. Randy said that if I am not mistaking. Does anyone remember that?That's what happened, they kidnapped Michael from hospital and said "that's it, no more King of Pop; we don't want Michael dead".
Therefore I think MJ won't be back. I have that feeling. I wish I am wrong. [/b] :(
Doesn't make sense. We clearly can see that this was well planned way before June 25, 2009.
I never thought about hoax as a way before well planned event. Michael could have had hoax thoughts "to get away from the system" since 2005, but actual hoax has not been planned long time ago. Rather months, weeks before June 25. Here is why I think so. Very well planned hoax should have been well prepared in every aspect. However, Michael's memorial took more than week, funeral took more than 2 months to take place and it is because they have been prepared random. To avoid suspision, if they planned before, then everything should had been planned to happen within usual lenght of time. IMO.
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I hope so.
I have a new theory about the hoax. I think another option is that family started the hoax after they got to the hospital and saw Michael vary bad. Remember he had a pulse in the hospital, he did not die. But family decided to save him from monsters, they announced him dead. Therefore Jermain took that responsibility and La Toya signed whatever doctor should sign. The ambulance fake photo part, can be explained that Ben could not take photo, he just photoshopped picture and sold out to make $$$. But hoax did not start there. IDK. This is my another opinion of hoax procedure. And I remember we had here consideration about the story that some time before Jacksons wanted to kidnap Michael to save him. Randy said that if I am not mistaking. Does anyone remember that?That's what happened, they kidnapped Michael from hospital and said "that's it, no more King of Pop; we don't want Michael dead".
Therefore I think MJ won't be back. I have that feeling. I wish I am wrong. [/b] :(
Doesn't make sense. We clearly can see that this was well planned way before June 25, 2009.
I never thought about hoax as a way before well planned event. Michael could have had hoax thoughts "to get away from the system" since 2005, but actual hoax has not been planned long time ago. Rather months, weeks before June 25. Here is why I think so. Very well planned hoax should have been well prepared in every aspect. However, Michael's memorial took more than week, funeral took more than 2 months to take place and it is because they have been prepared random. To avoid suspision, if they planned before, then everything should had been planned to happen within usual lenght of time. IMO.
The memorial and the burial were planned beforehand on those dates, it's not unprepared at all. His date of death makes 2040, the number on the rocket thing he stepped out of at the intro of the history tour. I could go on and on if you want. This has been in the making for 2 decades, not months or weeks. If you think that, you obviously don't see the brillancy of this masterpiece.
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I hope so.
I have a new theory about the hoax. I think another option is that family started the hoax after they got to the hospital and saw Michael vary bad. Remember he had a pulse in the hospital, he did not die. But family decided to save him from monsters, they announced him dead. Therefore Jermain took that responsibility and La Toya signed whatever doctor should sign. The ambulance fake photo part, can be explained that Ben could not take photo, he just photoshopped picture and sold out to make $$$. But hoax did not start there. IDK. This is my another opinion of hoax procedure. And I remember we had here consideration about the story that some time before Jacksons wanted to kidnap Michael to save him. Randy said that if I am not mistaking. Does anyone remember that?That's what happened, they kidnapped Michael from hospital and said "that's it, no more King of Pop; we don't want Michael dead".
Therefore I think MJ won't be back. I have that feeling. I wish I am wrong. [/b] :(
Doesn't make sense. We clearly can see that this was well planned way before June 25, 2009.
I never thought about hoax as a way before well planned event. Michael could have had hoax thoughts "to get away from the system" since 2005, but actual hoax has not been planned long time ago. Rather months, weeks before June 25. Here is why I think so. Very well planned hoax should have been well prepared in every aspect. However, Michael's memorial took more than week, funeral took more than 2 months to take place and it is because they have been prepared random. To avoid suspision, if they planned before, then everything should had been planned to happen within usual lenght of time. IMO.
The memorial and the burial were planned beforehand on those dates, it's not unprepared at all. His date of death makes 2040, the number on the rocket thing he stepped out of at the intro of the history tour. I could go on and on if you want. This has been in the making for 2 decades, not months or weeks. If you think that, you obviously don't see the brillancy of this masterpiece.
I wish you would be 100% right. it does not matter how much or how well I see. What matters is Michael be alive and come back and kick every single evils' ass..