Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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Murray on MJ Kids: 'That's My Children, I Love Them' (http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/08/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-paris-prince-blanket-video/)
4/8/2011 4:45 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
File this one under The Feeling Is Probably Not Mutual -- while out at The Grove in Los Angeles yesterday, a photog asked Dr. Conrad Murray about Michael Jackson's kids and he responded, "That's my children, I love them. I love them."
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/04/08/0408-conrad-murray-video-credit.jpg) (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=d7c2939b-11d5-4383-b5c2-c1f7c4d00d26)
http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/08/conrad-mu ... ket-video/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/08/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-paris-prince-blanket-video/)
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Wow...that's his children...just wow...why would he say that when it's not unless he is MJ.
Also at the start of the video was the Hop movie and for some reason I feel MJ has something to do with that movie...I don't know why though.
Also the kids recently went to The Grove and now Murray.
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I'm confused ...
This is very strange :? :shock:
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Can not he would be so cynical! First he said he loved Ms. Kathe like her mother. Now he says that boys are his sons and who loves them.
Either he is Michael or he wants to take Michael's life for him.
Too weird! He is able to scare me.
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i knew this was coming ! i felt it !
what did he say after when they ask about katherine he said i am sorry for her loss?
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i knew this was coming ! i felt it !
what did he say after when they ask about katherine he said i am sorry for her loss?
Yes he did...things are getting weirder by the day...Marlon twitter isn't him...CM thinks that MJ's children are his...I swear we are SO in the Twilight Zone.
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I saw a brown rabbit (Murray behind the poster) :lol:
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i knew this was coming ! i felt it !
what did he say after when they ask about katherine he said i am sorry for her loss?
Yes he did...things are getting weirder by the day...Marlon twitter isn't him...CM thinks that MJ's children are his...I swear we are SO in the Twilight Zone.
now , the ball is in the families court. let's see if the kid's give a response ;)
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everyone on the street stops and stares at him, even from far away. like I've never seen in any of Murray's videos. It looks like people on the street recognize who this man is.
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everyone on the street stops and stares at him
most of the other videos were in more quite surroundings and no one seemed to notice what was happening.
also i can't tell for sure , do murry and the bodyguard seem a little less happy with the attention as we go along or do the think they have reacted the same all along?
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It's getting more and more obvious how Murray talks like he is Michael.Didn't he say something similar about Katherine? (http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae234/mustpb/Skype%20emoticons/emoticon-0112-wondering.gif)
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It's getting more and more obvious how Murray talks like he is Michael.Didn't he say something similar about Katherine? (http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae234/mustpb/Skype%20emoticons/emoticon-0112-wondering.gif)
something about loveing here like his own mother or something.
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Murray on MJ Kids: 'That's My Children, I Love Them' (http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/08/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-paris-prince-blanket-video/)
4/8/2011 4:45 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
File this one under The Feeling Is Probably Not Mutual -- while out at The Grove in Los Angeles yesterday, a photog asked Dr. Conrad Murray about Michael Jackson's kids and he responded, "That's my children, I love them. I love them."
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/04/08/0408-conrad-murray-video-credit.jpg) (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=d7c2939b-11d5-4383-b5c2-c1f7c4d00d26)
http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/08/conrad-mu ... ket-video/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/08/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-paris-prince-blanket-video/)
Who added the pic for me????? Tell me how to add from TMZ please :))))) THANK YOU MUCHO
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It's getting more and more obvious how Murray talks like he is Michael.Didn't he say something similar about Katherine? (http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae234/mustpb/Skype%20emoticons/emoticon-0112-wondering.gif)
something about loveing here like his own mother or something.
Yes, that's what I remember too.
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Thank you for sharing this with us.
Why does it seem that Dr Murray is in Los Angeles all the time when his practice is in Texas and Nevada? It seems as though he is never working? The other thing I noticed is the person that came into the screen very briefly. Was that his attorney? If so, why wasn't he walking with them before or after that shot? Very strange, for sure.
Blessings.
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It's getting more and more obvious how Murray talks like he is Michael.Didn't he say something similar about Katherine? (http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae234/mustpb/Skype%20emoticons/emoticon-0112-wondering.gif)
In January sometime he said 'I love her very much' here is the TMZ link
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/06/dr-conrad ... ordstroms/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/06/dr-conrad-murray-katherine-jackson-michael-jackson-manslaughter-prelim-nordstroms/)
Article:
Doctor Conrad Murray claims it's been hard for him to watch Michael Jackson's mother Katherine grieve over the death of her son ... because he "loves" her like his own mother.
Murray was out shopping at Nordstrom in Santa Monica yesterday -- hopefully looking to replace the awful paisley tie he wore on the first day of his manslaughter prelim -- when he told photogs, "It's hard to see [Katherine] grieving ... I care about her as much as I care about my own mother."
Murray added, "I love her very much."
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I have always felt that Murray's character was the representation of Michael in some ways. When Murray said, "That's my children, I love them," it reminded me of a part in the tapes Michael did with Rabbi Shmuley, when he talked about sort of being a universal father.
BOTEACH: Do you feel like a universal father to children, that you have this ability to love them and appreciate them?
JACKSON: Yes.
BOTEACH: In a way that others don't?
JACKSON: Yes. And I always feel that I don't want the parents to get jealous. It happens sometimes. And it rubs fathers in a strange way, not as much as the mothers.
I always say to the dads, I'm not trying to take your place. I'm just trying to help. I want to be a friend.
And the kids end up just falling in love with my personality. Sometimes it gets me into trouble. I'm just there to help.
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What's that white spot on the side in Murray's face :?: :?: :?:
A white patch on the side.
Watch the video more often.
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Thank you for sharing this with us.
Why does it seem that Dr Murray is in Los Angeles all the time when his practice is in Texas and Nevada? It seems as though he is never working? The other thing I noticed is the person that came into the screen very briefly. Was that his attorney? If so, why wasn't he walking with them before or after that shot? Very strange, for sure.
Blessings.
that did look like one of them didn't ? maybe they were meeting there for something and he walked into the situation.
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Wow, this is really weird, either Murray is way too cynical and impudent or this is definitely a hoax, agree with one of the members, i think he represents MJ, speaks on behalf of Michael, this is the only explanation i can give for his weird behavior
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Wow, this is really weird, either Murray is way too cynical and impudent or this is definitely a hoax, agree with one of the members, i think he represents MJ, speaks on behalf of Michael, this is the only explanation i can give for his weird behavior
if murry is representing michael what is katherines loss? is it the pretend loss of michael or is it something else?
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if murry is representing michael what is katherines loss? is it the pretend loss of michael or is it something else?
Well, i think Katherine's grief is not about losing Michael, her sorrow is about what the media did to him, how they treated and still treat him, about the nightmare that he had to go through and finally about the circumstances that forced Michael to hoax his death and be away from the kids and the family(i still think that he sees them from time to time). Well, this is just speculation, how i see the things
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There are two things about the screenshot of the video that are weird to me:
1) "Murray"'s hands :?
2) The way the guy looks at him. I can hear him saying, "Yeah, I know who you are! I'm watching you..." :twisted:
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Those people are driving me crazy!!! Why can't they just talk normal. CM and whole Jackson family. Jermain saying that Marlon's twitter is fake (took you too long Jerm to figure this out). Randy called Frank Dileo "freak" (was a mistake apparently). Now CM saying "That's my children, I love them. I love them." Why in the World would say that about somebody's kids? On top of that those are children of a man that was kind of "killed" by you. Isn't he scared to piss off the non believers or the "this is not it" community?
I love it when they act and talk crazy things :D, but if i was on the other side (non believer, "this is not it") i would be VERY pissed off. Why are they doing this? Are they trying to wake up more people? They think if they will act this way more people would BELIEVE? Or this whole crazy thing is just for us, believers?
Let me know what you think guys, i'm just trying to figure out WHY are they doing this, only for us or for non believers as well? ;)
L.O.V.E
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Lenght of the video : 34 s 3+4 = 7 :D
Brown rabbit at the beginning ;)
Mirror at 4 sec ... :)
Orange inverted triangle in the background at 9 sec ! :shock:
Anything else :?:
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I have another interpretation, he probably meant we are all children of God, I know he is far from God. So that's why he said my children. Their are children and he loves the children. Children are innocent. I don't think Murray is Michael. blessings.
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if murry is representing michael what is katherines loss? is it the pretend loss of michael or is it something else?
Well, i think Katherine's grief is not about losing Michael, her sorrow is about what the media did to him, how they treated and still treat him, about the nightmare that he had to go through and finally about the circumstances that forced Michael to hoax his death and be away from the kids and the family(i still think that he sees them from time to time). Well, this is just speculation, how i see the things
that's not a bad answer. makes me think also of the statement she made about she couldn't stand to look at that man and went on to say it was like when they made the molestation accusations against him. being pretty sure that she didn't say michael or my son but him .
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There are two things about the screenshot of the video that are weird to me:
1) "Murray"'s hands :?
2) The way the guy looks at him. I can hear him saying, "Yeah, I know who you are! I'm watching you..." :twisted:
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can you explain this further ? i am not catching on to watch you mean. :oops: :?
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i am goin to the funny farm again. does this bodyguard , assistant or whatever make anybody else think of michael beardon? :? :shock: should i dig out my spring straight jacket?
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There are two things about the screenshot of the video that are weird to me:
1) "Murray"'s hands :?
2) The way the guy looks at him. I can hear him saying, "Yeah, I know who you are! I'm watching you..." :twisted:
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can you explain this further ? i am not catching on to watch you mean. :oops: :?
I can imagine him saying that.
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that's not a bad answer. makes me think also of the statement she made about she couldn't stand to look at that man and went on to say it was like when they made the molestation accusations against him. being pretty sure that she didn't say michael or my son but him .
Agrre, if u've noticed neither Mrs Katherine nor other members of the family blame Murray directly, they say that he's just a fall guy, that Michael's other doctors are responsible too,that there are also other people behind it.....they never come up and say that he has killed Michael cause of his ignorance, every time they avoid it(sorry for my broken English)
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There are two things about the screenshot of the video that are weird to me:
1) "Murray"'s hands :?
2) The way the guy looks at him. I can hear him saying, "Yeah, I know who you are! I'm watching you..." :twisted:
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can you explain this further ? i am not catching on to watch you mean. :oops: :?
I can imagine him saying that.
:lol: ok now i see
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This video seems to feature the more chunked-out version of Murray. :lol:
Orange inverted triangle in the background at 9 sec ! :shock:
Ya, I found that very strange, it just sort of floated across the screen... :?
Murray's body language in the first few seconds of the video reminds me of Michael's...
"And how are you feeling Dr. Murray, are you ok?" "Horrible" "Ya, you feelin' good?" "Not really". Maybe Michael was finding the disguise particularly uncomfortable at that moment! :lol:
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It's the orange inverted triangle that has me all excited. It has to be a link to TIAI and this site. Same as Travis Payne and the Cebu prisoners dressed in orange prison uniforms dancing TDRCAU and forming an inverted orange triangle [that great find courtesy of the cheetoman]. Reinforcing the message of the hoax in taking the power out of the hands of the elite few and returning it to the many.
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Who added the pic for me????? Tell me how to add from TMZ please :))))) THANK YOU MUCHO
It was me ;) I will send you PM with how to do it ;)
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Who added the pic for me????? Tell me how to add from TMZ please :))))) THANK YOU MUCHO
It was me ;) I will send you PM with how to do it ;)
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if you could post that on a thread it would be nice to learn how to do it . thanks :D
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i am goin to the funny farm again. does this bodyguard , assistant or whatever make anybody else think of michael beardon? :? :shock: should i dig out my spring straight jacket?
Yes it would be a good idea to dust off the jackets with the trial coming up. Murrey's bodyguard reminds me a little of Majestic Magnificent.
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Who added the pic for me????? Tell me how to add from TMZ please :))))) THANK YOU MUCHO
It was me ;) I will send you PM with how to do it ;)
oH great thanks to YOU :)
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Logistically, isn't Murray much too tall to be Michael? He is very tall so how would he pull that off?
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HE DOES LOOK LIKE MAJESTIK!!! Check out his myspace...too many pics to compare. Maybe that's why Joe says not to be mean to Murray...Murray is borrowing Joe's man...
http://www.myspace.com/majestikmagnific ... 95/tagged# (http://www.myspace.com/majestikmagnificent/photos/25577095/tagged#){%22ImageId%22%3A67506624}
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Who added the pic for me????? Tell me how to add from TMZ please :))))) THANK YOU MUCHO
It was me ;) I will send you PM with how to do it ;)
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if you could post that on a thread it would be nice to learn how to do it . thanks :D
OK, first make sure that your BBCode is enabled (below your post message box).
step 1 - posting picture:
If you click your mouse on picture on TMZ page you should get something like "copy image address" . Click on it and paste it in between "(http://[color=#0000FF]full_url_link_of_a_pic_goes_here[/color])". This is first step on how to post a picture.
btw - it works with other pictures on the net, not only TMZ
step 2 - linking the picture with the video
If you would like to add video to the picture, just do the same as above in Step 1 plus put the following code:
"full_url_link_of_a_pic_goes_here_(as_in_step_1)[/img]] (http://full_url_link_to_the_video[img)"
Please do not use " " as I did, I put it only to be able to present the codes.
If you need more help, just send a PM. Please do not use this thread to discuss post's format.
There is a thread about it here:
Thread on forum features. (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=13010&p=217682&hilit=bbcode#p217682)
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Okay...thank you :)
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Oh- at the Grove again! Just like the kids and LaToya last week.
I don't think Murray is Michael personally, but that he represents Michael in some way. The mother remark, now the kids, the trial, yesterday's discussion re graphic autopsy pisc which paralleled the discussion about allowing graphic images of Michael from 93 in the 2005 trial... All these 'coincidences' point to the fact that Murray "is" Michael symbolically speaking.
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Murray is playing in making these comments. Surely he has seen in blogs hoax that some think he is Michael and is exploiting this to generate confusion!
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There is something in the way Murray moves almost a swagger as he walks which is kinda familiar :? Anyone else notice that :shock: He seems to be moving and walking differently more pronounced. :? Maybe I need to go back to my padded cell for a lie down :lol:
Blessings
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Can not he would be so cynical! First he said he loved Ms. Kathe like her mother. Now he says that boys are his sons and who loves them.
Either he is Michael or he wants to take Michael's life for him.
Too weird! He is able to scare me.
the same here...exept that he is not MJ
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this guys is so strange..the way he talk, the way he walk :?
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I don't think Murray is Michael personally, but that he represents Michael in some way. The mother remark, now the kids, the trial, yesterday's discussion re graphic autopsy pisc which paralleled the discussion about allowing graphic images of Michael from 93 in the 2005 trial... All these 'coincidences' point to the fact that Murray "is" Michael symbolically speaking.
I feel the same about this. Don't forget CM's statement, I can HEAR Michael talking!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv9jtZ7c ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv9jtZ7cLy0&feature=related)
[youtube:2cesldj7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv9jtZ7cLy0&feature=related[/youtube:2cesldj7]
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Get a good look at the "man in the mirror" !! If you pause this video at 7 seconds you will see a strange
figure in the mirror that resembles the old man bald dancer!!!!!!!! He is long and lean and you dont see
his face!! He stays there for quite some time!
ALSO, I see a man walking behind Murray at 7 seconds. He is wearing shades and he kinda looks like
Majestic!!!
If you pause the video at 7 seconds you will see Murray, the mirror, and the guy!
Also about the mirror image. Its strange because it looks like it was photoshopped in!!!!! :shock: :o
I also agree that Murray is speaking for Michael in a symbolic way. ;)
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Get a good look at the "man in the mirror" !! If you pause this video at 7 seconds you will see a strange
figure in the mirror that resembles the old man bald dancer!!!!!!!! He is long and lean and you dont see
his face!! He stays there for quite some time!
ALSO, I see a man walking behind Murray at 7 seconds. He is wearing shades and he kinda looks like
Majestic!!!
If you pause the video at 7 seconds you will see Murray, the mirror, and the guy!
Also about the mirror image. Its strange because it looks like it was photoshopped in!!!!! :shock: :o
I also agree that Murray is speaking for Michael in a symbolic way. ;)
Yep he looks like MajMag...I posted that on page 1 of his ..and a link to his myspace with pics to compare. I think he IS. Now what do we make of it if he is???
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Get a good look at the "man in the mirror" !! If you pause this video at 7 seconds you will see a strange
figure in the mirror that resembles the old man bald dancer!!!!!!!! He is long and lean and you dont see
his face!! He stays there for quite some time!
ALSO, I see a man walking behind Murray at 7 seconds. He is wearing shades and he kinda looks like
Majestic!!!
If you pause the video at 7 seconds you will see Murray, the mirror, and the guy!
Also about the mirror image. Its strange because it looks like it was photoshopped in!!!!! :shock: :o
I also agree that Murray is speaking for Michael in a symbolic way. ;)
Yep he looks like MajMag...I posted that on page 1 of his ..and a link to his myspace with pics to compare. I think he IS. Now what do we make of it if he is???
WOW!!! I didn't even know that you guys were thinking it looked like majestic too until I just looked at all of
the above posts!! So I am not crazy... good!!!
Why would him and Majestic be together?? The man in the mirror is also freaking me out!!! The angle is off on the mirror image that we see. I swear this looks like a scene from a mystery movie!!!!
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Fucking moron walking as if he is a vice president of the world.Why he repeats Michael's words "god bless you"? Micheling around? :twisted:
"Sorry for loss"- while he said that, his voice tone sharply dropped down, you can hardly listen to it. I think this means he says that to look hoax real, but since there is no actual loss, he almost whispers those words.
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Ok, its time for me to be in the nuthouse now!!
There is a girl in the beginning of the video that walks toward the mirror. Its around the 2 or 3 second
mark. She is wearing a white hat (kinda Michaelish). She looks like she could have been a dancer in one
of the latest videos. She walks up to the mirror and you can see her purse strap matches up with the strap
we see in the mirror!!!
Then she walks away and the figure is still there!! The purse strap and all still remains. But its not her.
It looks like a very tall bald man because at one point his ear pops out and you can see that he has no
hair...Its all so very quick so start pausing stuff between 2 and 3 seconds. Pay attention to the mirror.
Guys, this has to be fake. IT HAS TO BE!!!!!!!!!! This whole thing is not real. These TMZ segments look
too much like movie scenes. AND TMZ ALWAYS knows where to find Murray!!! HOW IS THAT???????
Sorry, I am going insane here. This is tooooo much!
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Wow... big clue if he's michael in disguise :o
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At :13 - the song playing in the "background" yet rather loud - the lyrics -
"Anything for love...."
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At :20 the man who says to Murray "the (?) right over here" - looks like Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/05/conrad-mu ... ch-photos/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/05/conrad-murray-ed-chernoff-lawyer-venice-beach-photos/)
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Lenght of the video : 34 s 3+4 = 7 :D
Brown rabbit at the beginning ;)
Mirror at 4 sec ... :)
Orange inverted triangle in the background at 9 sec ! :shock:
Anything else :?:
Wow yes I noticed the mirror too: a Man In The Mirror (couldn't see much of him :? )
The movie HOP with the song "I Want Candy" http://www.iwantcandy.com/ (http://www.iwantcandy.com/). Well, MJ loves candy :D
Woman wearing a white fedora, though fedora's are fashionable last & this summer, so might be farfetched..
Balloons (again), I remember the balloon guy a few months ago selling Murray a balloon animal. Significant? idk
Michael's voice in the noise? :?
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AnaMarcia wrote:
Can not he would be so cynical! First he said he loved Ms. Kathe like her mother. Now he says that boys are his sons and who loves them.
Either he is Michael or he wants to take Michael's life for him. 8-)
Too weird! He is able to scare me.
The speech as Michael, or he is Michael.. or his messenger :? :mrgreen:
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AnaMarcia wrote:
Can not he would be so cynical! First he said he loved Ms. Kathe like her mother. Now he says that boys are his sons and who loves them.
Either he is Michael or he wants to take Michael's life for him. 8-)
Too weird! He is able to scare me.
The speech as Michael, or he is Michael.. or his messenger :? :mrgreen:
I would say he is his messenger.The way he talks is as if he rehearsed what to say in an Michaelish way. :mrgreen:
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Dr Murray is either a cold hearted stupid dr or a very brave man what I don't understand is why he doesn't get abuse or things thrown at him by people that think Michael is dead how can he walk down the street smiling
Well I am more confused than ever
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Camera...lights...and ACTION! (http://paradigmamejillon.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/mj-y-camara.jpg)
How sweet of Dr. Murray to call MJ kids his own. This man is a loving and caring father! :lol:
Okay everybody that's a wrap! (http://dontforgetmichaeljackson.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/liberian-girl.jpg)
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Lenght of the video : 34 s 3+4 = 7 :D
Brown rabbit at the beginning ;)
Mirror at 4 sec ... :)
Orange inverted triangle in the background at 9 sec ! :shock:
Anything else :?:
Wow yes I noticed the mirror too: a Man In The Mirror (couldn't see much of him :? )
The movie HOP with the song "I Want Candy" http://www.iwantcandy.com/ (http://www.iwantcandy.com/). Well, MJ loves candy :D
Woman wearing a white fedora, though fedora's are fashionable last & this summer, so might be farfetched..
Balloons (again), I remember the balloon guy a few months ago selling Murray a balloon animal. Significant? idk
Michael's voice in the noise? :?
And I'd like to add: this is the first time that Murray doesn't seem very happy, he really does look uncomfortable (or is acting). Why now? There is a remarkable change in the video, which is that there are people staring at him (already noticed in this thread by someone). The reason could be that this video is shot recently, while the previous video's must have been shot before 06/25/09. Murray feels the difference and says "I feel horrible" because of the accusing looks. Is it because he feels guilty OR is it because he is innocent :?:
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Dr Murray is either a cold hearted stupid dr or a very brave man what I don't understand is why he doesn't get abuse or things thrown at him by people that think Michael is dead how can he walk down the street smiling
Well I am more confused than ever
Just like everlastinglove_MJ said, I think that till now, every vid was pre recorderd before the 25/06/2009.This vid is different.Here he's acting very uneasy and strained.In all the other vids he always was very relaxed, almost happy.
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That must be the answer it must be prerecorded because if he is a messenger for Michael and working for Michael how would Michael know that Murray would be safe as some grief stricken person could breakthrough and do who knows what I have always worried about murrays safety
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Those people are driving me crazy!!! Why can't they just talk normal. CM and whole Jackson family. Jermain saying that Marlon's twitter is fake (took you too long Jerm to figure this out). Randy called Frank Dileo "freak" (was a mistake apparently). Now CM saying "That's my children, I love them. I love them." Why in the World would say that about somebody's kids? On top of that those are children of a man that was kind of "killed" by you. Isn't he scared to piss off the non believers or the "this is not it" community?
I love it when they act and talk crazy things :D, but if i was on the other side (non believer, "this is not it") i would be VERY pissed off. Why are they doing this? Are they trying to wake up more people? They think if they will act this way more people would BELIEVE? Or this whole crazy thing is just for us, believers?
Let me know what you think guys, i'm just trying to figure out WHY are they doing this, only for us or for non believers as well? ;)
L.O.V.E
I feel the same, i think it is also done in order to attract the non-believers' attention because they for most of them seem to believe that Murray killed Michael...so I presume that him saying that will "piss them off" to use a common expression.
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"That´s my children, I love them. I love them."
Did I understand right? :? Was Murray talking about his own kids or Michael´s kids?. To refer to MJ kids as his sounds odd :? for believers, imagine for those who believe Murray killed Michael.
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i am goin to the funny farm again. does this bodyguard , assistant or whatever make anybody else think of michael beardon? :? :shock: should i dig out my spring straight jacket?
Yes it would be a good idea to dust off the jackets with the trial coming up. Murrey's bodyguard reminds me a little of Majestic Magnificent.
yeah you guys are right it does seem more like majestic. i just knew he seemed familiar somehow. of course it doesn't mean it is him .
hey maybe after this murry is goin into the music business and needs a manager ;)
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I have always felt that Murray's character was the representation of Michael in some ways.
Exactly! Because Murray is Michael in this trial. He is representing Michael in 2005. Michael was innocent and Murray is innocent too. The media and the public judged Michael before the jury did just like it's happening to Murray right now. He's definitely representing Michael. He is using the same words that Michael would use, and of course he says that he loves Katherine and the kids like Michael does. ;)
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gee with murry and the kids running around that area it's a wonder they didn't run into each other ;)
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Seems like Murray has his accent back. This is the 'other' Murray, the one that is chubbier. Who jojo's like that with his weight?
So he loves Katherine like he loves his own mother and PPB are his children? Are people already sniffing out the BS here or are they still on the numb mode?
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Seems like Murray has his accent back. This is the 'other' Murray, the one that is chubbier. Who jojo's like that with his weight?
So he loves Katherine like he loves his own mother and PPB are his children? Are people already sniffing out the BS here or are they still on the numb mode?
yeah you know it's out there . any reaction from the "deaders" on this?
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Listen to his voice when he said that's my children, this does not sound like Murray. His skin is also lighter, very light. Murray is darker. There is something fishy. I wrote before that he may have thought they are children of God, we are all children. After listening it again at home in peace his voice is not the same. Something is off.
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If I were his kid, I would be like ohhh HELL no! You murdered my father & now you call me your own child? Get OUT of here! :o
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Listen to his voice when he said that's my children, this does not sound like Murray. His skin is also lighter, very light. Murray is darker. There is something fishy. I wrote before that he may have thought they are children of God, we are all children. After listening it again at home in peace his voice is not the same. Something is off.
Maybe Murray was the one who was using the bleaching cream that he had gone to get it from Michael's house? :lol:
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At :13 - the song playing in the "background" yet rather loud - the lyrics -
"Anything for love...."
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At :20 the man who says to Murray "the (?) right over here" - looks like Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff
(http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/04/040410J13_MURRAY_NPG_19_full.jpg)
http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_image ... 9_full.jpg (http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2010/04/040410J13_MURRAY_NPG_19_full.jpg)
http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/05/conrad-mu ... ch-photos/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/05/conrad-murray-ed-chernoff-lawyer-venice-beach-photos/)
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/20fc406f-4dcb-4ca0-9376-513bb298b258_mn.jpg)
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainme ... 258_mn.jpg (http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/20fc406f-4dcb-4ca0-9376-513bb298b258_mn.jpg)
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wir ... d=10391204 (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=10391204)
since we can't see their feet here to see if they are walking at the same level it might not mean anything but in this pic murry is substantially taller than the lawyer, but not so much when he walks up near him in the video. ideas?
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"Thats my children"? hmm, for the first time im starting to believe michael is murray in disguise
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it also seems like something odd is going on with him emotionally when he says i love them the second time.kind of an anguished look on his face and in the tone of his voice. any one else see and hear that or is it me? :)
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gee with murry and the kids running around that area it's a wonder they didn't run into each other ;)
:lol:
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gee with murry and the kids running around that area it's a wonder they didn't run into each other ;)
:lol:
maybe this story has a to be continued
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I know it probably is too hard to believe, but I have absolutley no doubt now that Murray is MJ in disguise....
You can tell that these scenes are always rehearsed, as there is pauses, and different angels in them. I remember seeing the video of murray strolling around with his baby, and you hear a girl say "Hey, we were just in a movie".
This is the illusion we were talking about. Technology has come a long way, and I'm sure, there is a way to add height by using leg extensions, and water proof effects.
These are the pictures of the funeral, when I thought that the mystery man in the fedora hat was Conrad Murray in disguise...just look at the nails, and the back of the hair line...you can definitely see the wig........
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oARx7PP ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oARx7PPKX4&feature=related)
[youtube:l5m59h35]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oARx7PPKX4&feature=related[/youtube:l5m59h35]
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i dont think murray is mike in disguise, but I dont put anything past michael as far as shock and creativity go. I think murray is a representation of michael, an innocent black man who is accused of a horrible crime that he didnt commit. boy this hoax is making me more lu-lu by the minute :lol:
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i dont think murray is mike in disguise, but I dont put anything past michael as far as shock and creativity go. I think murray is a representation of michael, an innocent black man who is accused of a horrible crime that he didnt commit. boy this hoax is making me more lu-lu by the minute :lol:
So Murray is Michael's voice ???
What if we can prove that Murray was at the funeral in disguise ??? That would seal the deal for me.. ;) ;)
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Didn't the Dave Dave we thought was MJ drive in the car (there are pics) to the funeral, sit next to Elizabeth and then speak? That's what some said way back, but it's not included in the available footage because Dave Dave was too Michaelish or something.
Here's MJ walking from the front view about the same pace as Murray. Watch at :40 and 3:17. He'd have to have on a double-the-body-weight fat suit but I guess it's not impossible. I have my doubts though considering the enormous challenges of height, voice, weight. If MJ could pull this off it would win an Oscar. It would be the most shocking of roles though that he is the hated killer and MJ himself.
[youtube:30ydj2hp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQbMhz7-Les[/youtube:30ydj2hp]
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Just a few comparisons....and CM does look different from his mug shot..
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Someone said this earlier but Conrad looks extra puffy in the video!! His cheeks look different. There is no
way he has gained weight that fast. Something is really odd! Also, I have watched this video AGAIN like
4 times in a row and there is something strange about his speaking tone that I didn't notice before.
Murray's voice doesn't sound like a real voice at all. It sounds like someone TRYING to speak with an
accent. Have you ever tried to talk like Kermit the frog?? Thats what this voice sounds like to me.
Someone trying to FORCE a different speaking tone out of their normal voice. :?
Can I join you guys in the looney bin? I am gonna need some meds and a straight jacket!! :lol:
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I must be imagining things but it seems like the camera man said "anything you want to say to Mr.Jackson" :lol:
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I think Murray is more MJ's messenger. ;)
First, the YT video... now these statements. :?
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I know it probably is too hard to believe, but I have absolutley no doubt now that Murray is MJ in disguise....
You can tell that these scenes are always rehearsed, as there is pauses, and different angels in them. I remember seeing the video of murray strolling around with his baby, and you hear a girl say "Hey, we were just in a movie".
This is the illusion we were talking about. Technology has come a long way, and I'm sure, there is a way to add height by using leg extensions, and water proof effects.
These are the pictures of the funeral, when I thought that the mystery man in the fedora hat was Conrad Murray in disguise...just look at the nails, and the back of the hair line...you can definitely see the wig........
I don't believe Michael is Murray in disguise but of course it is possible. About the funeral, I'm not sure what you mean, it was Conrad Murray disguised as the old man or do you mean Michael, because you say Michael is Dr. Conrad Murray. :?
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I mean there are two murrays......one is played by MJ, and the other is a real actor playing parts that are required of him... If Murray is on in the hoax, then he was a personal friend of Mj and the children...He could have lattended the fake funeral in disguise as hatman. Murray exists..at least "Robert Earl Carter" does. Whether he is a real doctor or not, is not that important. If he has a paid part in this, then he would be in hiding, not walking the streets and being filmed doing it. Murray in court, could be played by MJ...There is no information about him on google before the 25/6/09.!
I have always wondered how Murray could afford a 24hr body guard...when he can't even pay child support. And his lawyer is not cheap. Someone is funding it ....IMO of course.
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I mean there are two murrays......one is played by MJ, and the other is a real actor playing parts that are required of him... If Murray is on in the hoax, then he was a personal friend of Mj and the children...He could have lattended the fake funeral in disguise as hatman. Murray exists..at least "Robert Earl Carter" does. Whether he is a real doctor or not, is not that important. If he has a paid part in this, then he would be in hiding, not walking the streets and being filmed doing it. Murray in court, could be played by MJ...There is no information about him on google before the 25/6/09.!
I have always wondered how Murray could afford a 24hr body guard...when he can't even pay child support. And his lawyer is not cheap. Someone is funding it ....IMO of course.
Thank you for this explanation. I agree with the part of the bodyguard, how can he affort it?
There were some speculations that Murray might be a actor named Robert Earl Carter, I know, but I couldn't found anything about him, can you remember how we came to his name?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGm3ML2JFfU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGm3ML2JFfU)
[youtube:22cojzpw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGm3ML2JFfU[/youtube:22cojzpw]
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Murray=MJ is a meataphor to me, not Murray or Michael disguised of each other.
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Murray=MJ is a meataphor to me, not Murray or Michael disguised of each other.
Make believe character in my logic
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Listen to his voice when he said that's my children, this does not sound like Murray. His skin is also lighter, very light. Murray is darker. There is something fishy. I wrote before that he may have thought they are children of God, we are all children. After listening it again at home in peace his voice is not the same. Something is off.
Maybe Murray was the one who was using the bleaching cream that he had gone to get it from Michael's house? :lol:
Purlove, I was drinking coffee when I read this, you made my choke.. I cannot drink and laugh at the same time. Good point girl...
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+KVoQCBW4vpvl.jpg)
Even his stride looks eerily similar to Lovely One's signature pic above of MJ in One More Chance.
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The photos were flipped horizontally.
This is Murray no 2.
He has so delicate hands that they look like a woman's ones.
Compare to the Fitch 18 photos.
Apparel + watch are remarkably speaking for a well filled portemonnaie.
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+KVoQCBW4vpvl.jpg)
Even his stride looks eerily similar to Lovely One's signature pic above of MJ in One More Chance.
Where did you find these pics MJonmind, if you don't mind me asking? Thanks.
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+KVoQCBW4vpvl.jpg)
This picture must have been made seconds after this one:
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+I4686uqE4m-l.jpg)
Do you see the letters on the magazine? They are mirrored. What's up with all this mirroring? :?
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but it's normal to be mirrored. It's the reflection of the buildings in front of that glass door. In a normal way it would be mirrored. You talk about the italic writing that appeares reflected on the glass?
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but it's normal to be mirrored. It's the reflection of the buildings in front of that glass door. In a normal way it would be mirrored. You talk about the italic writing that appeares reflected on the glass?
I'm talking about the magazine the man in the red shirt is holding.As far as I can see he's holding a Playboy magazine but the letters a wrong.
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She means the Playboy in the guy's hand. It's the only thing mirrored. Murray is not mirrored, because his jacket has the buttons on the right and the breast pocket on the left. Seems like 'Playboy' was shopped into the picture, but for what reason?
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btw, is Murray giving people autographs? :lol:
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btw, is Murray giving people autographs? :lol:
Depending on when these photos were actually taken, I think it's possible this guy didn't know who he was asking for an autograph from, but maybe asked because Murray was being followed by a camera...
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There are more pics on here, and you can find the ones of Arnold too. Taken on the 7th.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l4O7RHhI ... unch+Grove (http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l4O7RHhIUS_/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove)
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Murray wears his watch on the left hand. Michael wears it only on his right hand. Detail.
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She means the Playboy in the guy's hand. It's the only thing mirrored. Murray is not mirrored, because his jacket has the buttons on the right and the breast pocket on the left. Seems like 'Playboy' was shopped into the picture, but for what reason?
A "fan" who loves to read Playboy magazine is getting a signature from a "doctor" who left his patient alone to go to a strip club. ahhh what a dramatic structure we're having here! :lol:
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I know I've said this before, and posted another pic of this, but I still say, why does it look like he wears makeup? Running about an inch in front of his ear clear down his neck, is lighter. Not the only pic I've seen like this. Again, I wonder about that closet shirt. I still think that was Murray's makeup. But, WHY the makeup?
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I notice the guy(bodyguard or friend) holding a Louis Vuitton bag or whatever it is. It coud be a fake, but if not, that guy can afford a Louis Vuitton bag being a bodyguard or whatever he is.
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I know I've said this before, and posted another pic of this, but I still say, why does it look like he wears makeup? Running about an inch in front of his ear clear down his neck, is lighter. Not the only pic I've seen like this. Again, I wonder about that closet shirt. I still think that was Murray's makeup. But, WHY the makeup?
I do not see any make-up. I looked at it like :shock: but couldn't see any make-up. Maybe that's just me, I don't know. The tone of the skin may differ on different parts of the body or face I think.
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There are more pics on here, and you can find the ones of Arnold too. Taken on the 7th.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l4O7RHhI ... unch+Grove (http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l4O7RHhIUS_/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove)
Thanks for the link!
I wonder about 2 things:
1) I found some movie posters of the movie "Hop", but I didn't find the one that's in the Murray video?
http://hop.movie-trailer.com/2010/11/ho ... oster.html (http://hop.movie-trailer.com/2010/11/hop-movie-poster.html)
2) Maybe I really need a padded cell now :lol: , but look at this picture (it's from the link fordtocarr posted):
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove+P3vlYnXHXi3l.jpg)
Murrays hand points to the movie poster - does this little chick he points to have bunny ears? :shock:
Okay, maybe it's time for the straight jacket. :D
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Gosh! Sometimes he has a gut, sometimes he doesn't. I wonder what is going on with him/them... Also, it looks like the wall and his tie are matching. Odd. (Small-ish looking feet for a tall man, I must say.)
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove+Myek4DsXJPPl.jpg)
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Dr+C ... sXJPPl.jpg (http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove+Myek4DsXJPPl.jpg)
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l4O7RHhI ... yek4DsXJPP (http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l4O7RHhIUS_/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove/Myek4DsXJPP)
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It's Murrey's legs that get me. They are so slender and fine boned. It's as if his fat suit only goes to his belly then stops. Then there is the baggy suited attorney whose clothing only emphasize his diminuitive stature. Done on purpose to help with the optical illusion of Murrey's height. Seriously, what short man tries to appear even shorter on purpose?
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I know I've said this before, and posted another pic of this, but I still say, why does it look like he wears makeup? Running about an inch in front of his ear clear down his neck, is lighter. Not the only pic I've seen like this. Again, I wonder about that closet shirt. I still think that was Murray's makeup. But, WHY the makeup?
I do not see any make-up. I looked at it like :shock: but couldn't see any make-up. Maybe that's just me, I don't know. The tone of the skin may differ on different parts of the body or face I think.
I do not see any make up either, but I find it very odd, that some pictures his skin is dark and some other pictures he is lighter. Than it could be he wears make up. OUF! this is a mystery... Where are you Shelock Holmes??? :lol: :lol:
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Didn't the Dave Dave we thought was MJ drive in the car (there are pics) to the funeral, sit next to Elizabeth and then speak? That's what some said way back, but it's not included in the available footage because Dave Dave was too Michaelish or something.
Here's MJ walking from the front view about the same pace as Murray. Watch at :40 and 3:17. He'd have to have on a double-the-body-weight fat suit but I guess it's not impossible. I have my doubts though considering the enormous challenges of height, voice, weight. If MJ could pull this off it would win an Oscar. It would be the most shocking of roles though that he is the hated killer and MJ himself.
[youtube:1m4wkgia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQbMhz7-Les[/youtube:1m4wkgia]
any thoughts on whether one of these body guards could be the guy who is currently runnig around with murry ?
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There are more pics on here, and you can find the ones of Arnold too. Taken on the 7th.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l4O7RHhI ... unch+Grove (http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l4O7RHhIUS_/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove)
Thanks for the link!
I wonder about 2 things:
1) I found some movie posters of the movie "Hop", but I didn't find the one that's in the Murray video?
http://hop.movie-trailer.com/2010/11/ho ... oster.html (http://hop.movie-trailer.com/2010/11/hop-movie-poster.html)
2) Maybe I really need a padded cell now :lol: , but look at this picture (it's from the link fordtocarr posted):
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove+P3vlYnXHXi3l.jpg)
Murrays hand points to the movie poster - does this little chick he points to have bunny ears? :shock:
Okay, maybe it's time for the straight jacket. :D
I didn't see this mentioned.....
what stands out to me is the green poster with the word PLOT and what looks like TWIST ....
IT'S A SODA....ferm......?????? PLOT TWIST? Yeah, I'd say so!
Funny, the next picture I see of the green poster has totally different wording......different poster, I guess?
Blessings!
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Things happen for explanation
1) Murray is not guilty because Michael killed himself
2) And even if he killed his father, then he has to replace, then he loves children like their children
3) If he killed the son of Katherine Jackson, also will replace his son, then he loves her like her mother.
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It's Murrey's legs that get me. They are so slender and fine boned. It's as if his fat suit only goes to his belly then stops. Then there is the baggy suited attorney whose clothing only emphasize his diminuitive stature. Done on purpose to help with the optical illusion of Murrey's height. Seriously, what short man tries to appear even shorter on purpose?
I had the same thought looking at Chernoff's clothing. I have the feeling that most of the Murray pictures are manipulated in a way. Some things are off but I can't pinpoint it.
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The plot chickens.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
and I notice something not right with his legs as well..Its almost as if his pants stick to his legs rather than flow like the others. like the trousers get stuck on the fat suit padding.........the ankles are too thin for his body size ....straight jacket now please.
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Another somewhat 'crazy' aspect is that I keep associating Murrey with the lyrics of "Will You Be There". Parts like
Carry me
Like you are my brother
Love me like a mother
Will you be there
Everyone's taking control of me
Seems like the world's got a role for me
I'm so confused
Will you show to me
You'll be there for me
And care enough to bear me.
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We've got a pic of Murrey pointing to 'chicks'. I remember that sneddon and his men siezed a video when they searched Neverland called 'Chicks'. They assumed it was a porno as chicks is slang for minors. Upon reviewing the tape they found out it was about chicks as in baby birds.
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Seems like Murray has his accent back. This is the 'other' Murray, the one that is chubbier. Who jojo's like that with his weight?
So he loves Katherine like he loves his own mother and PPB are his children? Are people already sniffing out the BS here or are they still on the numb mode?
I know that is not subject of this thread, but remember these photos of Murray?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jOei79s-Dqo/TVCqIRto0HI/AAAAAAAABCE/AKGe3Kh228g/s1600/7comparacionmurray.jpg)
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but it's normal to be mirrored. It's the reflection of the buildings in front of that glass door. In a normal way it would be mirrored. You talk about the italic writing that appears reflected on the glass?
I'm talking about the magazine the man in the red shirt is holding.As far as I can see he's holding a Playboy magazine but the letters a wrong.
Yes that's strange. It's possible the Playboy issue that month mirrored the front cover as a themed cover art edition... happens sometimes. Newsweek has run an upside down cover occasionally and People ran a backwards cover issue once.
The negative of the photographed may have been flipped when it was developed, but then the reflected store sign would be mirrored as well, if you catch what I mean, it would read properly instead as a reflection. So it's not possible the negative was flipped unless the pics are a photoshop compilation of the human subjects placed into the background scene, which is elaborate considering there are many frames, and again, like I said about the ambulance pic, why bother.
Playboy logo IS the white rabbit though. So... yeah it's possible this mirrored magazine cover is a clue. If so that means the autograph seeker is a plant, which is the most obvious answer here.
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The plot chickens.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
and I notice something not right with his legs as well..Its almost as if his pants stick to his legs rather than flow like the others. like the trousers get stuck on the fat suit padding.........the ankles are too thin for his body size ....straight jacket now please.
It appears that the length from knee to foot is longer then normal proportions.
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It's Murrey's legs that get me. They are so slender and fine boned. It's as if his fat suit only goes to his belly then stops. Then there is the baggy suited attorney whose clothing only emphasize his diminuitive stature. Done on purpose to help with the optical illusion of Murrey's height. Seriously, what short man tries to appear even shorter on purpose?
From around October/November 2009...
(http://susanetok.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/conrad-murray2.jpg?w=450&h=410)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... google.com (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JNjOK3favP8J:susanetok.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/this-is-for-you-maria-new-picture-of-conrad-murray/+how+tall+is+lawyer+ed+chernoff&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com)
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I know I've said this before, and posted another pic of this, but I still say, why does it look like he wears makeup? Running about an inch in front of his ear clear down his neck, is lighter. Not the only pic I've seen like this. Again, I wonder about that closet shirt. I still think that was Murray's makeup. But, WHY the makeup?
[youtube:2afkh8f0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiYBRrRTwUg[/youtube:2afkh8f0]
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Playboy logo IS the white rabbit though. So... yeah it's possible this mirrored magazine cover is a clue. If so that means the autograph seeker is a plant, which is the most obvious answer here.
Nice white rabbit connection!
Interesting what you say about the autograph seeker being a plant. Sort of like how at an MJ concert when a girl would somehow get on stage and hug Michael while he sang. Does anyone else remember hearing that this was Michael's idea originally? To have a girl run on stage while he performed and he would allow it for a moment or two before the girl was removed. So if true, another parallel there with Murray and this autograph seeker. Minus the hugging of course.
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Playboy logo IS the white rabbit though. So... yeah it's possible this mirrored magazine cover is a clue. If so that means the autograph seeker is a plant, which is the most obvious answer here.
Nice white rabbit connection!
Interesting what you say about the autograph seeker being a plant. Sort of like how at an MJ concert when a girl would somehow get on stage and hug Michael while he sang. Does anyone else remember hearing that this was Michael's idea originally? To have a girl run on stage while he performed and he would allow it for a moment or two before the girl was removed. So if true, another parallel there with Murray and this autograph seeker. Minus the hugging of course.
Yes that's a good connection too Andrea, the YANA girls. So much more fun when they spaz and have to get dragged away.
There's a been a few times now that Murray has been photographed with a "fan" or two. There was the boy recently with the thumbs up sign, the woman with the coffee last year. Now the autograph seeker.
Murray has fans and supporters and MJ fans go OMG how could ANYONE be a Murray Fan?!? He's so AWFUL, he's a MURDERER.
When it is pointed out to them that MJ was falsely accused and condemned as guilty before his day in court, they actually have the nerve to say the situation with Murray is completely different. With MJ, they say, there was no evidence, only hearsay, and a dirty DA that fabricated evidence. With Murray, they say, we know all the facts, it's OBVIOUS what happened and that only HE could be at fault. GUILTY!
The icon for the court case forum over at MJJC is a pic of Murray's face with a big red X over it captioned: "Justice for Michael" . :lol:
He knew this would happen. That's exactly the point. If they would apply their massive, blind, unconditional love to all of mankind, think of how wonderful a world this would be.
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Yes that's a good connection too Andrea, the YANA girls. So much more fun when they spaz and have to get dragged away.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
There's a been a few times now that Murray has been photographed with a "fan" or two. There was the boy recently with the thumbs up sign, the woman with the coffee last year. Now the autograph seeker.
Murray has fans and supporters and MJ fans go OMG how could ANYONE be a Murray Fan?!? He's so AWFUL, he's a MURDERER.
When it is pointed out to them that MJ was falsely accused and condemned as guilty before his day in court, they actually have the nerve to say the situation with Murray is completely different. With MJ, they say, there was no evidence, only hearsay, and a dirty DA that fabricated evidence. With Murray, they say, we know all the facts, it's OBVIOUS what happened and that only HE could be at fault. GUILTY!
The icon for the court case forum over at MJJC is a pic of Murray's face with a big red X over it captioned: "Justice for Michael" . :lol:
He knew this would happen. That's exactly the point. If they would apply their massive, blind, unconditional love to all of mankind, think of how wonderful a world this would be.
Those are very good points. I wonder how obvious Michael has to make it for them. Maybe Murray will show up to court in pj's or hop on a car. Well probably not, but I can see Murray rebelling too, but in a much more subtle and muted way during his trial. But anyone who thinks Murray is a murderer will get their wake up call, even if it has to be at the last possible moment to catch on to the hoax (the BAM). I would really want to know how they would feel at that moment, if it will be a personal realization or not. I just hope it's genuine happiness.
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Playboy logo IS the white rabbit though. So... yeah it's possible this mirrored magazine cover is a clue. If so that means the autograph seeker is a plant, which is the most obvious answer here.
Nice white rabbit connection!
Interesting what you say about the autograph seeker being a plant. Sort of like how at an MJ concert when a girl would somehow get on stage and hug Michael while he sang. Does anyone else remember hearing that this was Michael's idea originally? To have a girl run on stage while he performed and he would allow it for a moment or two before the girl was removed. So if true, another parallel there with Murray and this autograph seeker. Minus the hugging of course.
Yes that's a good connection too Andrea, the YANA girls. So much more fun when they spaz and have to get dragged away.
There's a been a few times now that Murray has been photographed with a "fan" or two. There was the boy recently with the thumbs up sign, the woman with the coffee last year. Now the autograph seeker.
Murray has fans and supporters and MJ fans go OMG how could ANYONE be a Murray Fan?!? He's so AWFUL, he's a MURDERER.
When it is pointed out to them that MJ was falsely accused and condemned as guilty before his day in court, they actually have the nerve to say the situation with Murray is completely different. With MJ, they say, there was no evidence, only hearsay, and a dirty DA that fabricated evidence. With Murray, they say, we know all the facts, it's OBVIOUS what happened and that only HE could be at fault. GUILTY!
The icon for the court case forum over at MJJC is a pic of Murray's face with a big red X over it captioned: "Justice for Michael" . :lol:
He knew this would happen. That's exactly the point. If they would apply their massive, blind, unconditional love to all of mankind, think of how wonderful a world this would be.
I remember someone's comment on TMZ saying something like 'this is the same thing that happened to MJ and when it happened to be that people found him to be guilty you all got upset but now that it's someone else you do the same as they did to MJ' and someone's reply was 'that was different'...yeah way different :roll:
By the way love your avatar Andrea...it's so CUTE.
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~Souza~ wrote:
Seems like Murray has his accent back. This is the 'other' Murray, the one that is chubbier. Who jojo's like that with his weight?
So he loves Katherine like he loves his own mother and PPB are his children? Are people already sniffing out the BS here or are they still on the numb mode?
I know that is not subject of this thread, but remember these photos of Murray?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jOei79s-Dqo/TVCqIRto0HI/AAAAAAAABCE/AKGe3Kh228g/s1600/7comparacionmurray.jpg)
Actually the way Murray's face (and body) seems to change fits with the theme that Murray represents MJ. Michael's ever changing face mystified Bashir and basically still everyone.
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It's Murrey's legs that get me. They are so slender and fine boned. It's as if his fat suit only goes to his belly then stops. Then there is the baggy suited attorney whose clothing only emphasize his diminuitive stature. Done on purpose to help with the optical illusion of Murrey's height. Seriously, what short man tries to appear even shorter on purpose?
I had the same thought looking at Chernoff's clothing. I have the feeling that most of the Murray pictures are manipulated in a way. Some things are off but I can't pinpoint it.
There is nothing weird about his legs, my step father has same figure as CM, but my step father is not that tall though. His legs are also very long and slim and at the same time he has a big belly, much bigger than CM's. It's just a type of figure, it's called an apple figure type, when the upper part of the body is bigger and has more fat than the lower part.
But i agree that the attorney guy's clothes are like at least 2 sizes big for him. He seems to be soooo short.
L.O.V.E
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It's Murrey's legs that get me. They are so slender and fine boned. It's as if his fat suit only goes to his belly then stops. Then there is the baggy suited attorney whose clothing only emphasize his diminuitive stature. Done on purpose to help with the optical illusion of Murrey's height. Seriously, what short man tries to appear even shorter on purpose?
I had the same thought looking at Chernoff's clothing. I have the feeling that most of the Murray pictures are manipulated in a way. Some things are off but I can't pinpoint it.
There is nothing weird about his legs, my step father has same figure as CM, but my step father is not that tall though. His legs are also very long and slim and at the same time he has a big belly, much bigger than CM's. It's just a type of figure, it's called an apple figure type, when the upper part of the body is bigger and has more fat than the lower part.
But i agree that the attorney guy's clothes are like at least 2 sizes big for him. He seems to be soooo short.
L.O.V.E
My Dad's build is very similar to Murray's. He's tall, has slim legs and arms but has a belly on him. And my Dad wears suits regularly for work, his body-type is quite like Murray's. What's funny is I've always thought my dad is kinda goofy-looking :lol: but it makes me love him even more.
But I'm not saying that Murray is as we see him, he could totally be wearing an upper-body suit of some sort, maybe lifts in his shoes. The Murray height debate reminds me of Michael's own seemingly undetermined height.
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I've suggested this before about green screening a studio Murray into these settings, which would make adjustments like height possible. I know way back it was suggested for youtube message-for-fans Murray that he was green screened into that room. This video shows some possibilities, but I'm sure with MJ's access to state of the art, they could do much more that this.
[youtube:pwd4v6bv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bie_Pj0AbAY[/youtube:pwd4v6bv]
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(http://
[img]http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+I4686uqE4m-l.jpg)
Do you see the letters on the magazine? They are mirrored. What's up with all this mirroring? :?
I went to search for the lastest issue cover and what this guy holds in his hand doesn't look like the latest (April), considering the photos were taken on April 7th. In the original issue, the blonde's hair covers the "A" and "Y"
(http://www.playboy.com/girls/magazine/april2011/images/cover.jpg)
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There are more pics on here, and you can find the ones of Arnold too. Taken on the 7th.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l4O7RHhI ... unch+Grove (http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/l4O7RHhIUS_/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove)
Thanks for the link!
I wonder about 2 things:
1) I found some movie posters of the movie "Hop", but I didn't find the one that's in the Murray video?
http://hop.movie-trailer.com/2010/11/ho ... oster.html (http://hop.movie-trailer.com/2010/11/hop-movie-poster.html)
2) Maybe I really need a padded cell now :lol: , but look at this picture (it's from the link fordtocarr posted):
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove+P3vlYnXHXi3l.jpg)
Murrays hand points to the movie poster - does this little chick he points to have bunny ears? :shock:
Okay, maybe it's time for the straight jacket. :D
The "subliminal" message i get looking at the pic is "Chicks and rock and roll" - "plot twin is a ref" (reference)
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(http://
[img]http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+I4686uqE4m-l.jpg)
Do you see the letters on the magazine? They are mirrored. What's up with all this mirroring? :?
I went to search for the lastest issue cover and what this guy holds in his hand doesn't look like the latest (April), considering the photos were taken on April 7th. In the original issue, the blonde's hair covers the "A" and "Y"
(http://www.playboy.com/girls/magazine/april2011/images/cover.jpg)
The edition: Sex and Music.
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The "subliminal" message i get looking at the pic is "Chicks and rock and roll" - "plot twin is a ref" (reference)
The Play Boy edition: Sex and Music issue.
Well, what´s going on in the music industry? Could have Michael been blackmailed by a "lusty" fan?, or is it a meat market out there, in the music industry?
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I'm definitely thinking that this magazine is a clue. I also looked for playboy issues. NONE of them have the cover like that one. They all either have someones head blocking out a letter or two of the word playboy..or have a head or something behind the word. NONE had just playboy written on a plain white background. Aside from the fact it's backwards??
If this whole pic was reversed...wouldn't the window writings be now the right way?? Clue.
I originally thought this guy was an autograph hound...there on that day where there was something going on. I thought it was something with Arnold. But, it says Murray's pics were on the 7th and Arnold's were on the 8th. Yet this guy has the same shirt?
I wonder if he's a paparazzi, with that bag he carries...like...if he works for TMZ, who always catches Murray.
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She means the Playboy in the guy's hand. It's the only thing mirrored. Murray is not mirrored, because his jacket has the buttons on the right and the breast pocket on the left. Seems like 'Playboy' was shopped into the picture, but for what reason?
:lol: :lol: :lol: it seems to me an 'accidental' editing failure of TMZ to give us a subtle proof of photoshop, meaning this is all fake/a hoax ;)
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The plot chickens.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
and I notice something not right with his legs as well..Its almost as if his pants stick to his legs rather than flow like the others. like the trousers get stuck on the fat suit padding.........the ankles are too thin for his body size ....straight jacket now please.
I have a question for you, if Michael is disguised as Murray, I could understand the fat suit, Michael is much skinnier than Murray, but how about the height? If you look at the shoes they do not have a very big heal, Murray is 6ft, and Michael is 5'9-5'11 let's add the 5'11. So tell me how can this man be Michael disguised in Murray? It does not make sense.
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The plot chickens.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
and I notice something not right with his legs as well..Its almost as if his pants stick to his legs rather than flow like the others. like the trousers get stuck on the fat suit padding.........the ankles are too thin for his body size ....straight jacket now please.
I have a question for you, if Michael is disguised as Murray, I could understand the fat suit, Michael is much skinnier than Murray, but how about the height? If you look at the shoes they do not have a very big heal, Murray is 6ft, and Michael is 5'9-5'11 let's add the 5'11. So tell me how can this man be Michael disguised in Murray? It does not make sense.
I know this question wasn't directed to me, but if I may answer, there is ways to make you taller. Murray is only about 3 inches taller than MJ at the most, so there could be a small heel on the shoes he wears, or theres other shoes that appear to not have a large heel, because there's hidden height-increaser's on the inside:
(http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens4105162_1239959714shoes_that_make_you_taller_intro2.jpg)
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It's really quite possible to add up to 6" of height with shoe lifts and inserts. Murray is more like 6'4. But Michael's alleged 5'11 height + 6 inches = 6'5.
I think this is like a Dave Dave thing. Murray is a real person playing this role, but MJ appears as "Murray" occasionally...(?)
In any case I'm resolved to that it's either that (MJ disguised as Murray sometimes) or they want us to think that and they are messing with Murray's appearance strategically to arouse suspicion. It's elaborate but very subtle. Murray doesn't always look or (now) talk the same. Just like MJ, there's too many unaccounted for differences to just be lighting and makeup.
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Watch MJ walking in this video, starting at 3:43. Comparing his shoulders, legs, shoe length, hands, stride to Murray. MJ looks really tall in this video,IMO. He also just looks great. ;)
[youtube:1def2c18]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vE-5ddS4RE&feature=player_embedded#at=297[/youtube:1def2c18]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vE-5ddS ... ded#at=297 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vE-5ddS4RE&feature=player_embedded#at=297)
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The plot chickens.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
and I notice something not right with his legs as well..Its almost as if his pants stick to his legs rather than flow like the others. like the trousers get stuck on the fat suit padding.........the ankles are too thin for his body size ....straight jacket now please.
I have a question for you, if Michael is disguised as Murray, I could understand the fat suit, Michael is much skinnier than Murray, but how about the height? If you look at the shoes they do not have a very big heal, Murray is 6ft, and Michael is 5'9-5'11 let's add the 5'11. So tell me how can this man be Michael disguised in Murray? It does not make sense.
I know this question wasn't directed to me, but if I may answer, there is ways to make you taller. Murray is only about 3 inches taller than MJ at the most, so there could be a small heel on the shoes he wears, or theres other shoes that appear to not have a large heel, because there's hidden height-increaser's on the inside:
(http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens4105162_1239959714shoes_that_make_you_taller_intro2.jpg)
if you take a 5'0 woman wearing a 15 cm heels and put her besides a 5'11 woman wearing no heels, would they look the same or at least close in heights? the 5'0 woman's legs will still be short no matter the heels she wears. It would look ridiculously. This as to have a picture.
from 5'11 to 6'0-6'3 as Murray there a huge difference.
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GIRAFFE shoes!
(http://giraffe-shoes.com/images/logo.jpg)
http://giraffe-shoes.com/images/logo.jpg (http://giraffe-shoes.com/images/logo.jpg)
Adds 4 inches to a man's height. (10 centimeters). Watch the video at this link ;)
http://giraffe-shoes.com/ (http://giraffe-shoes.com/)
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~Souza~ wrote:
Seems like Murray has his accent back. This is the 'other' Murray, the one that is chubbier. Who jojo's like that with his weight?
So he loves Katherine like he loves his own mother and PPB are his children? Are people already sniffing out the BS here or are they still on the numb mode?
I know that is not subject of this thread, but remember these photos of Murray?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jOei79s-Dqo/TVCqIRto0HI/AAAAAAAABCE/AKGe3Kh228g/s1600/7comparacionmurray.jpg)
Actually the way Murray's face (and body) seems to change fits with the theme that Murray represents MJ. Michael's ever changing face mystified Bashir and basically still everyone.
I guess he dyes his hair. Men do that too. I agree his skin gets lighter and then darker, then he is fatter then skinnier and this is within days not years. :lol: That is the only thing that makes me think that it is not Murray all the time. If it were only for his hair that doesn't mean anything.
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Wait! There's more! ;)
"We offer elevator shoes for men which can increase height by almost 6 inches"
(http://www.increasingshoes.com/images/Banner2011-1.jpg)
http://www.increasingshoes.com/images/Banner2011-1.jpg (http://www.increasingshoes.com/images/Banner2011-1.jpg)
http://www.increasingshoes.com/ (http://www.increasingshoes.com/)
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The plot chickens.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
and I notice something not right with his legs as well..Its almost as if his pants stick to his legs rather than flow like the others. like the trousers get stuck on the fat suit padding.........the ankles are too thin for his body size ....straight jacket now please.
I have a question for you, if Michael is disguised as Murray, I could understand the fat suit, Michael is much skinnier than Murray, but how about the height? If you look at the shoes they do not have a very big heal, Murray is 6ft, and Michael is 5'9-5'11 let's add the 5'11. So tell me how can this man be Michael disguised in Murray? It does not make sense.
I know this question wasn't directed to me, but if I may answer, there is ways to make you taller. Murray is only about 3 inches taller than MJ at the most, so there could be a small heel on the shoes he wears, or theres other shoes that appear to not have a large heel, because there's hidden height-increaser's on the inside:
(http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens4105162_1239959714shoes_that_make_you_taller_intro2.jpg)
if you take a 5'0 woman wearing a 15 cm heels and put her besides a 5'11 woman wearing no heels, would they look the same or at least close in heights? the 5'0 woman's legs will still be short no matter the heels she wears. It would look ridiculously. This as to have a picture.
from 5'11 to 6'0-6'3 as Murray there a huge difference.
Thanks Yula, i asked the question to everyone, so thank you for your response. I still think that it is not michael in disguise. I still feel michael is too short to be passed as Murray. just some odd feeling. I think Murray is playing with us.. my opinion.
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Listen to his voice when he said that's my children, this does not sound like Murray. His skin is also lighter, very light. Murray is darker. There is something fishy. I wrote before that he may have thought they are children of God, we are all children. After listening it again at home in peace his voice is not the same. Something is off.
Maybe Murray was the one who was using the bleaching cream that he had gone to get it from Michael's house? :lol:
i chose this post only because it mentions the bleaching cream and i wasn't sure if i should start a new thread but this was on my yahoo news when i logged on today.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cb_jamaica_skin_bleaching (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cb_jamaica_skin_bleaching)
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It's Murrey's legs that get me. They are so slender and fine boned. It's as if his fat suit only goes to his belly then stops. Then there is the baggy suited attorney whose clothing only emphasize his diminuitive stature. Done on purpose to help with the optical illusion of Murrey's height. Seriously, what short man tries to appear even shorter on purpose?
From around October/November 2009...
(http://susanetok.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/conrad-murray2.jpg?w=450&h=410)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... google.com (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JNjOK3favP8J:susanetok.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/this-is-for-you-maria-new-picture-of-conrad-murray/+how+tall+is+lawyer+ed+chernoff&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com)
In two pictures Chernoff is taller than the third picture.
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If you watch in that photo where he's taller, he's on the stairs. In the left bottom one.
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um i am mentioning this here because i wasn't sure where else to go with it. on facebook geraldene hughes is saying that murry is making the rounds at l.a. churches asking for prayers for an innocent verdict. this woman really seems to dislike murry . i mean i know he is supposed to be a murderer but it's almost strange how much anger this woman has in this. i know i saw posted a while back that one of the family members was not wanting her to speak for the family or something.
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+KVoQCBW4vpvl.jpg)
Even his stride looks eerily similar to Lovely One's signature pic above of MJ in One More Chance.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! :o :o
Good eye!!
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+KVoQCBW4vpvl.jpg)
Even his stride looks eerily similar to Lovely One's signature pic above of MJ in One More Chance.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! :o :o
Good eye!!
It does! :o :shock: 8-)
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+KVoQCBW4vpvl.jpg)
Even his stride looks eerily similar to Lovely One's signature pic above of MJ in One More Chance.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! :o :o
Good eye!!
It does! :o :shock: 8-)
:lol: :lol: :lol: why are you all so shocked?
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+KVoQCBW4vpvl.jpg)
Even his stride looks eerily similar to Lovely One's signature pic above of MJ in One More Chance.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! :o :o
Good eye!!
It does! :o :shock: 8-)
:lol: :lol: :lol: why are you all so shocked?
most people were saying theres no way conrad murray is michael in disguise, mostly because of the height which i said elevator shoes could be the reason conrad is tall. But this also supports the theory that Conrad is MJ in disguise 8-) So I'm shocked at how close the resemblance is, because it makes me even more convinced that it's Michael. The only thing is the voice.. :?
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Um the pic of CM looks like Michael's Billie Jean walk. But I mean, the photo was taken in a split second, we can't see the whole walk, and can't anyone look like that when they walk?
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+KVoQCBW4vpvl.jpg)
Even his stride looks eerily similar to Lovely One's signature pic above of MJ in One More Chance.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! :o :o
Good eye!!
It does! :o :shock: 8-)
:lol: :lol: :lol: why are you all so shocked?
most people were saying theres no way conrad murray is michael in disguise, mostly because of the height which i said elevator shoes could be the reason conrad is tall. But this also supports the theory that Conrad is MJ in disguise 8-) So I'm shocked at how close the resemblance is, because it makes me even more convinced that it's Michael. The only thing is the voice.. :?
Uhm, actually his voice matches. Remember, MJ has many disguises to use. Conrad Murray could be just one of them. The real Conrad Murray exists as well! Remember the video where Murray says "I'm an innocent man", he has a very high pitched voice (lol), - but it isn't like Michael's. I think Michael can easily imitate to be different. He is good at fooling people. :lol:
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+KVoQCBW4vpvl.jpg)
Even his stride looks eerily similar to Lovely One's signature pic above of MJ in One More Chance.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! :o :o
Good eye!!
It does! :o :shock: 8-)
:lol: :lol: :lol: why are you all so shocked?
most people were saying theres no way conrad murray is michael in disguise, mostly because of the height which i said elevator shoes could be the reason conrad is tall. But this also supports the theory that Conrad is MJ in disguise 8-) So I'm shocked at how close the resemblance is, because it makes me even more convinced that it's Michael. The only thing is the voice.. :?
Uhm, actually his voice matches. Remember, MJ has many disguises to use. Conrad Murray could be just one of them. The real Conrad Murray exists as well! Remember the video where Murray says "I'm an innocent man", he has a very high pitched voice (lol), - but it isn't like Michael's. I think Michael can easily imitate to be different. He is good at fooling people. :lol:
I know that Michael can disguise as anyone, I mean an obvious example is Ghosts, but I don't think there's a real conrad murray. I think it's a made up name, this guy's real name is "Robert Earl Carter". But anyway, I remember Michael's imitation of Joe from the Glinda conversations... :lol:
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I was thinking about this "Murray" when "Conny" says "that´s my children"
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSZHLiC9vgaJCweUII3o-GBHpDdum6IwlRws7hjfRMuyfPnML_CA)
Bigger pic here: http://img707.imageshack.us/i/43165646.jpg/ (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/43165646.jpg/)
We know that MJ is the father of Prince and Paris but this "white Murray" made me wonder since always, even more after I read somewhere that the man in the pic is a lawyer involved with the case.
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HE DOES LOOK LIKE MAJESTIK!!! Check out his myspace...too many pics to compare. Maybe that's why Joe says not to be mean to Murray...Murray is borrowing Joe's man...
http://www.myspace.com/majestikmagnific ... 95/tagged# (http://www.myspace.com/majestikmagnificent/photos/25577095/tagged#){%22ImageId%22%3A67506624}
Sorry to be so late
Yes this is Majestik with Wendy Duran, Tatiana, Precious and Sunn Shine
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(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Conrad+Murray+Former+Governor+Arnold+Schwarzenegger+KVoQCBW4vpvl.jpg)
Even his stride looks eerily similar to Lovely One's signature pic above of MJ in One More Chance.
YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! :o :o
Good eye!!
It does! :o :shock: 8-)
:lol: :lol: :lol: why are you all so shocked?
most people were saying theres no way conrad murray is michael in disguise, mostly because of the height which i said elevator shoes could be the reason conrad is tall. But this also supports the theory that Conrad is MJ in disguise 8-) So I'm shocked at how close the resemblance is, because it makes me even more convinced that it's Michael. The only thing is the voice.. :?
Uhm, actually his voice matches. Remember, MJ has many disguises to use. Conrad Murray could be just one of them. The real Conrad Murray exists as well! Remember the video where Murray says "I'm an innocent man", he has a very high pitched voice (lol), - but it isn't like Michael's. I think Michael can easily imitate to be different. He is good at fooling people. :lol:
I know that Michael can disguise as anyone, I mean an obvious example is Ghosts, but I don't think there's a real conrad murray. I think it's a made up name, this guy's real name is "Robert Earl Carter". But anyway, I remember Michael's imitation of Joe from the Glinda conversations... :lol:
a thought about the voices and imitation. at my daughters band banquet a week or so ago the orchestra teacher was talking about one of the students. she told how this student came to her and confessed that she did not know how to read music. the teacher said but you have to read music you play so wonderfully or whatever ( the whole time the girl is standing there shaking her head no) as it turns out the girl has what she called a freak ear. she just hears the part and can play it. wouldn't surprise me to find out there was something like that about michael as well.
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does this body guard make anyone think of the dude who was sitting next to the blond at the memorial? did we ever establish who that was? am i goin off the deep end again. be gentle.
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Well I'm glad I'm not the only one that think MJ may be DCM in disguise. For those asking about Murray's walk, here's a clip of him walking a bit when he visited FL.
[youtube:1tn4920e]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT8TUbyfC38[/youtube:1tn4920e]
Also you hear in the video how they say that the Jackson family were outraged that he visited there. But then I never heard any of the family speak to any reporter about it. Did you guys hear anything or read anything about it?
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why would Michael in disguise visit FL
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Because it's awesome.
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Because it's awesome.
:lol: :lol: :lol: mj_bad/
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I really think most people totally underestimate what MJ is capable of doing. friendlikeme81 's video clearly showed the same voice with casket guy and the ghost mayor, and clearly shows the excellent acting ability of MJ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfa_JTFN ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfa_JTFNHIc&feature=player_embedded) A very good magician leaves people mystified how he could accomplish something that appears physically impossible, but it's illusion, slight of hand, technology/make-up etc. We don't have the answers right now, but we should keep this theory open.
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If Michael is Murray i hope Murray will not be convicted.
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I really don't know what to think but i found it strange, i must admit.
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and a photo to attach to the collection of photos of happy Dr. Conrad Murray, as always is laughing but this time dressed as doctor, ... :lol: I always see something different from Murray .. errrr
(http://media.laindependent.com/images/S005877423.jpg)
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I forget the link
http://www.laindependent.com/entertainm ... 04433.html (http://www.laindependent.com/entertainment/music/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-trial-117304433.html)
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I don't think Murray is Michael personally, but that he represents Michael in some way. The mother remark, now the kids, the trial, yesterday's discussion re graphic autopsy pisc which paralleled the discussion about allowing graphic images of Michael from 93 in the 2005 trial... All these 'coincidences' point to the fact that Murray "is" Michael symbolically speaking.
I feel the same about this. Don't forget CM's statement, I can HEAR Michael talking!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv9jtZ7c ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv9jtZ7cLy0&feature=related)
[youtube:1ub4v160]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv9jtZ7cLy0&feature=related[/youtube:1ub4v160]
This video reminds me so much of that video Michael did back in '97 for the child molestation trial. You know that video where he's talking and he is in a red short and black slacks? His teeth and movements and eyes remind me so much of Michael! What do you guys think?
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I totally know what you mean. Friendlikeme81, here's another voice and body movement comparison that would be so helpful! That would be amazing!
2 years and there's still so much investigation still to do.
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does this body guard make anyone think of the dude who was sitting next to the blond at the memorial? did we ever establish who that was? am i goin off the deep end again. be gentle.
Anything's possible... ;)
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove+Myek4DsXJPPl.jpg)
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Dr+C ... sXJPPl.jpg (http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Dr+Conrad+Murray+Out+Lunch+Grove+Myek4DsXJPPl.jpg)
(http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/tanja017/blondie.jpg)
http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr35 ... londie.jpg (http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/tanja017/blondie.jpg)
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLimRw9_ajA5zaNi0fBmJabvPfE0i9aJbX_Cekg_jHH2WW4ZOP&t=1)
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... WW4ZOP&t=1 (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLimRw9_ajA5zaNi0fBmJabvPfE0i9aJbX_Cekg_jHH2WW4ZOP&t=1)
Link to a great blow-up of the image -
http://media.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/ ... kson09.jpg (http://media.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/photos/images/july09/jackson_sm/jackson09.jpg)
I can't remember seeing this view of blonde lady and her seat mate before -
http://michaeljacksonhoax.lefora.com/co ... 219927.jpg (http://michaeljacksonhoax.lefora.com/composition/attachment/c28c7eb480972634d6ef04c167430fea/285006/vlcsnap-219927.jpg)
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I've never understood why people think MJ is the Hat Man and the Blonde Lady when they sit right by each other at the memorial. But i like the little girl's Thriller jacket :D
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I don't think the blond lady is MJ. It might be one of his impersonators - for I don't remember MJ having such a large adam's apple. Looking at the pic thread of him out and about on 5-15-09, I don't notice one. Plus, didn't this woman have on heels and stockings? I doubt MJ would wear something like that.
Could be, but I'm leaning towards Hat Man. He has a spot on the outside of his wrist/forearm that I noticed on MJ before in a pic with him and O-Bee. When I first saw Hat Man and that spot, I instantly thought of that pic. I know which one it is - and to me, it is a blemish/spot that make-up won't hide - and/or MJ left it there on purpose. And why would Hat Man have a glove on the right hand? He was the only one that stood up when the casket was being taken out. I could be wrong, of course.
And of course, at the end of Diana Ross's video from the I Love You CD, we have:
HAT
MAN
TAN
Now, I understand one of the distributors for her CD is Manhattan Records, but that was already listed on the front web page, so why list it at the end after one thought no other words or pics would be there (similarly to how one had to wait for the credits to be over before one say the extras to MJ's movie TII)? I mean, EMI was the main distributor for her CD, so why wasn't their name listed thus? Lol
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i feel kind of silly asking this but that dress seems to be kind of riding up there . wouldn't a woman be more likely to notice this and straighten the situation out a little as oppsosed to a guy? :oops:
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I don't think the blond lady is MJ. It might be one of his impersonators - for I don't remember MJ having such a large adam's apple. Looking at the pic thread of him out and about on 5-15-09, I don't notice one. Plus, didn't this woman have on heels and stockings? I doubt MJ would wear something like that.
Could be, but I'm leaning towards Hat Man. He has a spot on the outside of his wrist/forearm that I noticed on MJ before in a pic with him and O-Bee. When I first saw Hat Man and that spot, I instantly thought of that pic. I know which one it is - and to me, it is a blemish/spot that make-up won't hide - and/or MJ left it there on purpose. And why would Hat Man have a glove on the right hand? He was the only one that stood up when the casket was being taken out. I could be wrong, of course.
And of course, at the end of Diana Ross's video from the I Love You CD, we have:
HAT
MAN
TAN
Now, I understand one of the distributors for her CD is Manhattan Records, but that was already listed on the front web page, so why list it at the end after one thought no other words or pics would be there (similarly to how one had to wait for the credits to be over before one say the extras to MJ's movie TII)? I mean, EMI was the main distributor for her CD, so why wasn't their name listed thus? Lol
why do you think an impersonator wouldn't just come as themself? help me out here :| . i know what spot you are talking about , i thought it was on the right hand . did you see it at the memorial or the funeral?
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i feel kind of sillyasking thisbut that dress seems to be kind of riding up there . wouldn'ta woman be more likely to notice thisand straighten the situation outa littleas oppsosed toa guy? :oops:
I laughed at this. are you a guy or girl, out of curiousity? But you are right, a girl would be more conscience about this unless she's sloppy. why would you wear a dress that short to someons's memorial anyway, Geez?
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i feel kind of sillyasking thisbut that dress seems to be kind of riding up there . wouldn'ta woman be more likely to notice thisand straighten the situation outa littleas oppsosed toa guy? :oops:
I laughed at this. are you a guy or girl, out of curiousity? But you are right, a girl would be more conscience about this unless she's sloppy. why would you wear a dress that short to someons's memorial anyway, Geez?
i am an old woman :lol: i can't imagine my daughter putting her hand on my knee either.
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My bad - that should read:
MAN
HAT
TAN
suspicious mind, yes, the spot is on the right lower wrist area.
The young girl with her hand on the woman's knee is not that strange to me. Who is the child, and why would she be putting her hand on MJ's naked knee? Lol - That doesn't seem to fit to me. It looks like the man is holding hands with his wife, and also with them is their daughter and their son - all in a row.
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My bad - that should read:
MAN
HAT
TAN
suspicious mind, yes, the spot is on the right lower wrist area.
The young girl with her hand on the woman's knee is not that strange to me. Who is the child, and why would she be putting her hand on MJ's naked knee? Lol - That doesn't seem to fit to me. It looks like the man is holding hands with his wife, and also with them is their daughter and their son - all in a row.
i just thought could you imagine being a family of people who for what ever reason went to this memorial and somehow find out that a bunch of strangers have been analizing you . afraid/ pale/ :o :shock:
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I was just looking at that picture of "hat man" at the memorial and I always wondered if those blue pants he is wearing are pajama bottoms and if so, what an odd thing to wear to a memorial. This of course reminded me of Michael having to go to court in his PJ's, so I looked up the picture from that day, and Michael just happens to be wearing blue pajama bottoms, with a black blazer and a white shirt and that is what "hat man" is wearing!! Michael's PJ's had a floral print on them, but still...another "coincidence"??? Just thought I would share that as it really struck me as odd.
Love and Blessings to all...sorry, I don't know how to post a pic here.
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I NEVER, not a second thought or believed that the blonde lady was Michael. I thought the hat man could be him BUT remember Paris and Jermaine were wearing earphones. So I think they had those to hear what the director told them to do. So, Michael had to be somewhere behind the curtain, at the directing room probably to give the directions to them. If we believe that they had earphones to hear the director and if we believe that Michael was the director of the memorial, then why do we expect to see him in a disguise at the memorial? We didn't see that hat man and blonde lady talking to a little microphone, did we? So, they both can not be Michael in disguise. Michael is the man behind the curtain and pulling out the strings, not the man who wears different disguises to appear in his movie. He is the director not the actor, if you know what I'm saying.
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i know that for some reason that day i was not able to watch the memorial from start to finish and have only watched bits and peices since then. maybe i need to make it a homework assignment to wathch the whole thing in it's intirety. do we have a link here?
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I thought the hat man could be him BUT remember Paris and Jermaine were wearing earphones. So I think they had those to hear what the director told them to do. So, Michael had to be somewhere behind the curtain, at the directing room probably to give the directions to them. If we believe that they had earphones to hear the director and if we believe that Michael was the director of the memorial, then why do we expect to see him in a disguise at the memorial? We didn't see that hat man and blonde lady talking to a little microphone, did we? So, they both can not be Michael in disguise.
The mysterious 'hat man' is talking on his 'cell phone' quite a lot. More than anyone else is it seems, right? And why would he wear the same outfit to the funeral as the memorial? I don't know, thats pretty weird to me. either this guy is superstitious and thats his lucky hat, or he is trying to stand out when the two services are examined together. Who is he anyway? There's something to ask Jermaine :roll: (Don't anyone get any ideas from that last statement :lol:) [youtube:1mtsyak7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8[/youtube:1mtsyak7]
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by mjj4ever777 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:24 pm
I was just looking at that picture of "hat man" at the memorial and I always wondered if those blue pants he is wearing are pajama bottoms and if so, what an odd thing to wear to a memorial. This of course reminded me of Michael having to go to court in his PJ's, so I looked up the picture from that day, and Michael just happens to be wearing blue pajama bottoms, with a black blazer and a white shirt and that is what "hat man" is wearing!! Michael's PJ's had a floral print on them, but still...another "coincidence"??? Just thought I would share that as it really struck me as odd.
Love and Blessings to all...sorry, I don't know how to post a pic here.
I'm sure it is no coincidence the outfit is the same.IMO
(http://www.stevemiller4lasvegas.com/MichaelJacksonPajamas.jpg)
by PureLove » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:41 pm
I NEVER, not a second thought or believed that the blonde lady was Michael. I thought the hat man could be him BUT remember Paris and Jermaine were wearing earphones. So I think they had those to hear what the director told them to do. So, Michael had to be somewhere behind the curtain, at the directing room probably to give the directions to them. If we believe that they had earphones to hear the director and if we believe that Michael was the director of the memorial, then why do we expect to see him in a disguise at the memorial? We didn't see that hat man and blonde lady talking to a little microphone, did we? So, they both can not be Michael in disguise. Michael is the man behind the curtain and pulling out the strings, not the man who wears different disguises to appear in his movie. He is the director not the actor, if you know what I'm saying.
Good thinking! The possibility that MJ used decoys in various places is what may be throwing us off. I also remember that the kids kept looking up all the time (maybe at the "director").
peacock7
And of course, at the end of Diana Ross's video from the I Love You CD, we have:
HAT
MAN
TAN
Now, I understand one of the distributors for her CD is Manhattan Records, but that was already listed on the front web page, so why list it at the end after one thought no other words or pics would be there (similarly to how one had to wait for the credits to be over before one say the extras to MJ's movie TII)? I mean, EMI was the main distributor for her CD, so why wasn't their name listed thus? Lol
Interesting! Could you find that and post a pic if possible?
suspicious mind, I was thinking the same about the short skirt and girl's hand on "her" knee. Just a silly embarrassing question--if that person was standing how many inches from crotch to hem are we talking? I'm guessing only a couple, but I don't wear short skirts so I don't know. And I was also baffled by the girl next to "her" who I thought had her arm/hand in the air when there obviously are no armrests. Very weird to me, and begs to attract attention. Does the girl in red look familiar to anyone? Actually I think her hand is up too high to be on blondie's knee. Could there be any other explanation for her hand being like that without an armrest?
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by mjj4ever777 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:24 pm
I was just looking at that picture of "hat man" at the memorial and I always wondered if those blue pants he is wearing are pajama bottoms and if so, what an odd thing to wear to a memorial. This of course reminded me of Michael having to go to court in his PJ's, so I looked up the picture from that day, and Michael just happens to be wearing blue pajama bottoms, with a black blazer and a white shirt and that is what "hat man" is wearing!! Michael's PJ's had a floral print on them, but still...another "coincidence"??? Just thought I would share that as it really struck me as odd.
Love and Blessings to all...sorry, I don't know how to post a pic here.
I'm sure it is no coincidence the outfit is the same.IMO
(http://www.stevemiller4lasvegas.com/MichaelJacksonPajamas.jpg)
by PureLove » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:41 pm
I NEVER, not a second thought or believed that the blonde lady was Michael. I thought the hat man could be him BUT remember Paris and Jermaine were wearing earphones. So I think they had those to hear what the director told them to do. So, Michael had to be somewhere behind the curtain, at the directing room probably to give the directions to them. If we believe that they had earphones to hear the director and if we believe that Michael was the director of the memorial, then why do we expect to see him in a disguise at the memorial? We didn't see that hat man and blonde lady talking to a little microphone, did we? So, they both can not be Michael in disguise. Michael is the man behind the curtain and pulling out the strings, not the man who wears different disguises to appear in his movie. He is the director not the actor, if you know what I'm saying.
Good thinking! The possibility that MJ used decoys in various places is what may be throwing us off. I also remember that the kids kept looking up all the time (maybe at the "director").
peacock7
And of course, at the end of Diana Ross's video from the I Love You CD, we have:
HAT
MAN
TAN
Now, I understand one of the distributors for her CD is Manhattan Records, but that was already listed on the front web page, so why list it at the end after one thought no other words or pics would be there (similarly to how one had to wait for the credits to be over before one say the extras to MJ's movie TII)? I mean, EMI was the main distributor for her CD, so why wasn't their name listed thus? Lol
Interesting! Could you find that and post a pic if possible?
suspicious mind, I was thinking the same about the short skirt and girl's hand on "her" knee. Just a silly embarrassing question--if that person was standing how many inches from crotch to hem are we talking? I'm guessing only a couple, but I don't wear short skirts so I don't know. And I was also baffled by the girl next to "her" who I thought had her arm/hand in the air when there obviously are no armrests. Very weird to me, and begs to attract attention. Does the girl in red look familiar to anyone? Actually I think her hand is up too high to be on blondie's knee. Could there be any other explanation for her hand being like that without an armrest?
i guess these pics have just shown up over the last almost two years , do we know if they match up with what went on during the actual event? could this be another photoshop? i am no good at all in determining that kind of stuff.
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by mjj4ever777 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:24 pm
I was just looking at that picture of "hat man" at the memorial and I always wondered if those blue pants he is wearing are pajama bottoms and if so, what an odd thing to wear to a memorial. This of course reminded me of Michael having to go to court in his PJ's, so I looked up the picture from that day, and Michael just happens to be wearing blue pajama bottoms, with a black blazer and a white shirt and that is what "hat man" is wearing!! Michael's PJ's had a floral print on them, but still...another "coincidence"??? Just thought I would share that as it really struck me as odd.
Love and Blessings to all...sorry, I don't know how to post a pic here.
I'm sure it is no coincidence the outfit is the same.IMO
(http://www.stevemiller4lasvegas.com/MichaelJacksonPajamas.jpg)
by PureLove » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:41 pm
I NEVER, not a second thought or believed that the blonde lady was Michael. I thought the hat man could be him BUT remember Paris and Jermaine were wearing earphones. So I think they had those to hear what the director told them to do. So, Michael had to be somewhere behind the curtain, at the directing room probably to give the directions to them. If we believe that they had earphones to hear
the director and if we believe that Michael was the director of the memorial, then why do we expect to see him in a disguise at the memorial? We didn't see that hat man and blonde lady talking to a little microphone, did we? So, they both can not be Michael in disguise. Michael is the man behind the curtain and pulling out the strings, not the man who wears different disguises to appear in his movie. He is the director not the actor, if you know what I'm saying.
Good thinking! The possibility that MJ used decoys in various places is what may be throwing us off. I also remember that the kids kept looking up all the time (maybe at the "director").
peacock7
And of course, at the end of Diana Ross's video from the I Love You CD, we have:
HAT
MAN
TAN
Now, I understand one of the distributors for her CD is Manhattan Records, but that was already listed on the front web page, so why list it at the end after one thought no other words or pics would be there (similarly to how one had to wait for the credits to be over before one say the extras to MJ's movie TII)? I mean, EMI was the main distributor for her CD, so why wasn't their name listed thus? Lol
Interesting! Could you find that and post a pic if possible?
suspicious mind, I was thinking the same about the short skirt and girl's hand on "her" knee. Just a silly embarrassing question--if that person was standing how many inches from crotch to hem are we talking? I'm guessing only a couple, but I don't wear short skirts so I don't know. And I was also baffled by the girl next to "her" who I thought had her arm/hand in the air when there obviously are no armrests. Very weird to me, and begs to attract attention. Does the girl in red look familiar to anyone? Actually I think her hand is up too high to be on blondie's knee. Could there be any other explanation for her hand being like that without an armrest?
When I 1st saw her I actually thought she was Latoya.