Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => The Jackson Family & Kids => Katherine Jackson => Topic started by: PureLove on April 28, 2011, 11:31:12 PM
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Jackson's mum speaks before trial
Michael Jackson's mother has revealed she has "mixed emotions" about the upcoming trial of the doctor charged in connection with her son's death.
Katherine Jackson, the matriarch of one of music's most famous families, said the pain of the pop superstar's loss nearly two years ago remains and the potential punishment for Dr Conrad Murray doesn't seem like it's nearly enough.
"Sometimes I think why have a trial if... the maximum sentence is only four years," she said.
Mrs Jackson intends to make a daily trip to the trial, which begins on May 9. She has not spoken to Dr Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter, although she has seen him often from her seat at pre-trial hearings in the case.
"I'll be there, but it just hurts me because my son is gone and for forever and this man is trying to get away and get off," she said. "He needs to be punished."
The grandmother said she went to Michael's home after his death to clean up. There, she found several reminders he had scribbled to himself.
"He had notes around," she recalled. "'Discipline with love.'"
Mrs Jackson said the outpouring of grief and support from the Smooth Criminal singer's fans after he died also meant a lot to her.
"They felt my pain," she said. "It meant a lot to me. And at that time, I needed all of that to know the world was with me, the world felt my pain."
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/ind ... 32676.html (http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/jacksons-mum-speaks-before-trial-2632676.html)
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"Sometimes I think why have a trial if... the maximum sentence is only four years," she said.
Of course. The fuss is not worth it. ;)
There, she found several reminders he had scribbled to himself. "He had notes around," she recalled. "'Discipline with love.'"
I'm sure he left notes behind to let people know what exactly they needed to do. Director's notes to actors. :D
And I wonder who Michael is disciplining with the L.O.V.E? ;)
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ahh she is saying she was there cleaning up . ahh when was that ? when the others were there ? before the police went? is this the first we heard of her being there herself?
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What puzzles me about this is that there are times when Mrs. Jackson seems to think Murray is guilty. At other times, she says he was innocent and set up. I just don't know.
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Mrs Jackson said the outpouring of grief and support from the Smooth Criminal singer's fans after he died also meant a lot to her.
Why would they refer to Michael with this song? Maybe because he's acting like a smooth criminal himself to get back at all his enemies? ;)
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What puzzles me about this is that there are times when Mrs. Jackson seems to think Murray is guilty. At other times, she says he was innocent and set up. I just don't know.
Agree. I have heard her make both statements. :?
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cnn just had on their ticker at the bottom of the screen that the trial could be delayed. haven't seen any story yet.
interestingly enough it was grouped with entertainment stuff.
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ahh she is saying she was there cleaning up . ahh when was that ? when the others were there ? before the police went? is this the first we heard of her being there herself?
Yeah we heard Latoya went to the house but it seems like Katherine was with her too. They "lost" a son and a brother and they went to the house for the cleaning up? :lol:
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A friend of mine , the next minute her father died, went out to throw the garbage.
Michael is alive but my point is do not judge people's reactions, because even you might be surprised by your own some day. We cannot get to right conclusions judging by the emotional reactions to what "should be right to do" or "what should we have done instead".
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A friend of mine , the next minute her father died, went out to throw the garbage.
Michael is alive but my point is do not judge people's reactions, because even you might be surprised by your own some day. We cannot get to right conclusions judging by the emotional reactions to what "should be right to do" or "what should we have done instead".
As I do not believe they really went to the house to do the cleaning up and this is just a scenerio, I'm laughing it :lol: And I do not believe IF Michael was really dead, they would be going to the house for the cleaning up with that shock. Maybe your friend's father was old or sick for a long time and maybe his death was expected but Michael's so called death was so sudden if it was real. And with that shock I do not believe that the Jacksons would be thinking about the cleaning up. There're several maids in that house to do it.
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It was not an expected death and even so i dont think you're in the mood for throwing the garbage the next minute. But if i ask her today why did she do this she says: "i don't know what i was thinking. I really don't". My guess is she was in shock.
In Michael's situation i agree with you.My friend's attitude was just spontanous and lasted for like 5 minutes.
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When I heard Ms. Katherine saying "My son is gone forever" I believed Michael is dead you guys.....
I just can't see his Mother acting, saying he's gone when in fact he's alive. Does this make sense to any of you?
Or maybe his Mother doesn't know about the hoax? Is this possible? TS once suggested this but we've been told Michael loved and respected her so much, he couldn't do this to his own mother could he?
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When I heard Ms. Katherine saying "My son is gone forever" I believed Michael is dead you guys.....
I just can't see his Mother acting, saying he's gone when in fact he's alive. Does this make sense to any of you?
Or maybe his Mother doesn't know about the hoax? Is this possible? TS once suggested this but we've been told Michael loved and respected her so much, he couldn't do this to his own mother could he?
You lose hope so easily Gina. I'm exhausted too but I never lose my hope about him being alive. After thousands of things we have found, I really do not know how you can still think that he can be dead. And of course Katherine knows about the hoax and I do believe that she's talking like this because she couldn't see Michael too much during the last 2 years and this must be so hard for her not to see her son. She's going with the scenerio Michael gave to her. She's doing what she was told. And her longing for Michael is also giving her these emotions. Now cheer up Gina. Because Michael is alive. And you know it with your heart. ;)
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But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.
I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think :? )
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But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.
I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think :? )
If we think that this hoax has a film side in it, Katherine is just playing her role according to the script. ;) That's not lying, just acting for her son's safety. :)
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Katherine was also the only one crying at the funeral. How can Teddy KNOW and Katherine not? I don't think it's possible. Maybe some of his family don't know, but i am sure about parents and brothers/sisters. But Katherine ... is she that a good actress? Yes, i could see Paris' fake crying after starting to discover the hoax but Katherine's still looks real.
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Well then let's all let go and move on with our lives because Katherine cries. Hoax over.
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I think Katherine is just tired and it is probably very hard and unnatural for her to play her part because of her religion. I still cannot get the picture of her shpping for those sleeping bags out of my head. It just doesn’t fit a grieving mother. Sorry, been there myself losing a child suddenly, and I know it is terribly out of character unless she was in total, and I mean absolute shock and disillusion. :?
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Gina - your personality appears to be one that leads by emotion. You are valuable to society as you keep us connecting a little more to the emotional aspect of life instead of just cold, hard reality. However, it's important not to be swayed totally be feeling because feelings can be up and down and a bit deceptive.
I do understand why you think the way you do with this as Katherine keeps me puzzled too. However, when she was interviewed by Oprah she showed more emotion over the 2005 trial and the false allegations rather than Michaels "death". That's why I think this has something to do with clearing his name.
Taking this from a mothers point of view, if this hoax were to clean up Michael's image, to bring vindication, and the help put Michael back on top where he belongs, I think she would be 100% vested. If this were because Michael was in some sort of danger, she would be extremely worried about him and would do whatever was asked of her. If this is for a movie, I think she would do this for Michael if the reasons (to bring awareness, love, healing to the world) were pure enough. And we cannot forget that she's changed her story more than once too. And we cannot forget that she has to be worried about the backlash when Michael returns.
If by some extreme cosmic chance that Michael is dead, I wonder emotionally how she would have been strong enough to go shopping. Not that she couldn't or wouldn't but she didn't look overly upset in the videos that we've seen of her shopping. That was what - one or two days after Michael's death. It just seems like she would have had a harder time keeping it together emotionally. That was her beloved son. So, that is what I keep thinking about.
Blessings.
When I heard Ms. Katherine saying "My son is gone forever" I believed Michael is dead you guys.....
I just can't see his Mother acting, saying he's gone when in fact he's alive. Does this make sense to any of you?
Or maybe his Mother doesn't know about the hoax? Is this possible? TS once suggested this but we've been told Michael loved and respected her so much, he couldn't do this to his own mother could he?
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But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.
I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think :? )
i don't know that much about her religion but from the story souza recanted about a family member and jw , it might be that if he chose some other religion that to katherine he might be as good as dead. maybe fordtocarr would know. :?
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But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.
I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think :? )
i don't know that much about her religion but from the story souza recanted about a family member and jw , it might be that if he chose some other religion that to katherine he might be as good as dead. maybe fordtocarr would know. :?
You know...that could be true!! I didn't think of that. If he became another religion, she could feel as though he is spiritually dead. WOW. that's a good one. I had tended to think she was acting, and this a movie script that will be explained at some time in the future. There are things she does that bothers me anyhow, as with selling flowers for Mother's day. She tried to say that they can be gifts any time..as thought it's not a holiday thing, but it is promoted with her pic and Mother's day written there. I'd say maybe Katherine left the Witnesses, but, at we did see her taking Michael's kids to a Kingdom hall ..although some time ago now. And presumably the kids have celebrated birthdays and holidays, even though they live with her! So, I'm not putting a lot into Katherine not lying anylonger either. I'm not suppose to judge, and really, I can't know her heart, and do only know what is reported and we know Michael taught us against that!
But, I really wonder if he'd join another religion too, because of sending his kids with Katherine and them going to the hall. Plus it has been reported of Michael going to meetings and conventions again not too long ago. So, it's still just a mystery. I know Katherine is one thing that bothers a lot of us, me included. But, either Michael is gone for real or she's lying, or she's left the religion, or she's getting around a lie with words, like, "dead" as in spiritually...or it's a movie. I know this is no help, and believe me if I could help, I would, but she is a puzzle. One that concerns me and breaks my heart.
I still choose to think this is going to be a movie eventually and she's going with that.
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But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.
I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think :? )
i don't know that much about her religion but from the story souza recanted about a family member and jw , it might be that if he chose some other religion that to katherine he might be as good as dead. maybe fordtocarr would know. :?
You know...that could be true!! I didn't think of that. If he became another religion, she could feel as though he is spiritually dead. WOW. that's a good one. I had tended to think she was acting, and this a movie script that will be explained at some time in the future. There are things she does that bothers me anyhow, as with selling flowers for Mother's day. She tried to say that they can be gifts any time..as thought it's not a holiday thing, but it is promoted with her pic and Mother's day written there. I'd say maybe Katherine left the Witnesses, but, at we did see her taking Michael's kids to a Kingdom hall ..although some time ago now. And presumably the kids have celebrated birthdays and holidays, even though they live with her! So, I'm not putting a lot into Katherine not lying anylonger either. I'm not suppose to judge, and really, I can't know her heart, and do only know what is reported and we know Michael taught us against that!
But, I really wonder if he'd join another religion too, because of sending his kids with Katherine and them going to the hall. Plus it has been reported of Michael going to meetings and conventions again not too long ago. So, it's still just a mystery. I know Katherine is one thing that bothers a lot of us, me included. But, either Michael is gone for real or she's lying, or she's left the religion, or she's getting around a lie with words, like, "dead" as in spiritually...or it's a movie. I know this is no help, and believe me if I could help, I would, but she is a puzzle. One that concerns me and breaks my heart.
I still choose to think this is going to be a movie eventually and she's going with that.
but then if you go this route it would also have to apply to jermaine wouldn't it? when she says this does she only say my son or does she say michaels name? idk her religion confuses me . does anyone know what if any church affiliation she had before jw? it seems like i read that she did not join it until early 60's.
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I think I've read that it was baptist. But she was disillusioned when there was immorality and adultery happening within the church. In her book [been a long time since I've read it] she said that she shared her heart regarding spiritual things with MJ, but after he left the witnesses, she never broached the subject of Jehovah with him again. Because of Witness doctrine.
To me, that would be real grief right there, at losing such closeness and intimacy with your child.
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I think I've read that it was baptist. But she was disillusioned when there was immorality and adultery happening within the church. In her book [been a long time since I've read it] she said that she shared her heart regarding spiritual things with MJ, but after he left the witnesses, she never broached the subject of Jehovah with him again. Because of Witness doctrine.
To me, that would be real grief right there, at losing such closeness and intimacy with your child.
humm that's interesting. pastor lucious smith is baptist. and my understanding (i heard him say it with my own ears ) that he is a friend of randy.he was on a program of clifton davis' a little while after the memorial.
http://www.pfbchurch.net/pages/index.ph ... &Itemid=38 (http://www.pfbchurch.net/pages/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=38)
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Gina - your personality appears to be one that leads by emotion. You are valuable to society as you keep us connecting a little more to the emotional aspect of life instead of just cold, hard reality. However, it's important not to be swayed totally be feeling because feelings can be up and down and a bit deceptive.
I do understand why you think the way you do with this as Katherine keeps me puzzled too. However, when she was interviewed by Oprah she showed more emotion over the 2005 trial and the false allegations rather than Michaels "death". That's why I think this has something to do with clearing his name.
Taking this from a mothers point of view, if this hoax were to clean up Michael's image, to bring vindication, and the help put Michael back on top where he belongs, I think she would be 100% vested. If this were because Michael was in some sort of danger, she would be extremely worried about him and would do whatever was asked of her. If this is for a movie, I think she would do this for Michael if the reasons (to bring awareness, love, healing to the world) were pure enough. And we cannot forget that she's changed her story more than once too. And we cannot forget that she has to be worried about the backlash when Michael returns.
If by some extreme cosmic chance that Michael is dead, I wonder emotionally how she would have been strong enough to go shopping. Not that she couldn't or wouldn't but she didn't look overly upset in the videos that we've seen of her shopping. That was what - one or two days after Michael's death. It just seems like she would have had a harder time keeping it together emotionally. That was her beloved son. So, that is what I keep thinking about.
Blessings.
Everything is basicaly generated by an emotion. Even facts. at least this is my opinion.
I also can't understand Ms. Katherine. He said she was an icon, a saint to him, but I wonder if that was valid all the time.
Because from what I've been reading there were times when he prefered Elisabeth's support and advice than Katherine's.
And I wonder why :?
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On the other hand Jermaine says Katherine is guided by private conversations with Michael and i don't think she has psychic powers. So maybe she is just too emotional and cries easily that's all.
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On the other hand Jermaine says Katherine is guided by private conversations with Michael and i don't think she has psychic powers. So maybe she is just too emotional and cries easily that's all.
you know it seems like i remember deiter said that michael didn't have deep conversations with his mother (that is not word for word but you get the idea). but that said i don't trust deiter as far as i can throw a building so. :?
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Hm, could be. I didn't know that.
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But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.
I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think :? )
i don't know that much about her religion but from the story souza recanted about a family member and jw , it might be that if he chose some other religion that to katherine he might be as good as dead. maybe fordtocarr would know. :?
Perhaps Mrs. Jackson was caught up in the emotions of the moment at the memorial and crying for a different reason to do with the hoax. As far as her being a JW, personalize it: If it were your son or daughter living under MJ’s circumstances (however deep the rabbit hole goes), would you play your part in a death hoax to benefit his or her long-term physical and/or mental health and safety? Just a thought.
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I still go with my own theory.
Of course Katherine knows about the hoax and I do believe that she's talking like this because she couldn't see Michael too much during the last 2 years and this must be so hard for her not to see her son. She's going with the scenerio Michael gave to her. She's doing what she was told. And her longing for Michael is also giving her these emotions.
She is missing Michael a lot because she can not see him often and that's the reason why she is emotional.
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But I lose hope because she is his mother, how can she lie?!
it's against her religion to lie, it's against commone sense to lie about your child's death.
I prefer to think she doesn't know about the hoax (another unbelievable option...but maybe she did something to upset Michael prior to his death....I don't know what else to think :? )
i don't know that much about her religion but from the story souza recanted about a family member and jw , it might be that if he chose some other religion that to katherine he might be as good as dead. maybe fordtocarr would know. :?
Perhaps Mrs. Jackson was caught up in the emotions of the moment at the memorial and crying for a different reason to do with the hoax. As far as her being a JW, personalize it: If it were your son or daughter living under MJ’s circumstances (however deep the rabbit hole goes), would you play your part in a death hoax to benefit his or her long-term physical and/or mental health and safety? Just a thought.
I would go along with it, but not lie...not risk my own eternal life or displeasing my God...my sons choices with God are his, but I won't displease God who I love even more than my child. I'm sure she is pleasing both somehow.
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If Katherine was playing the part assigned to her by police or FBI agents, then she maybe wouldn't see it as lying but obeying directions from law enforcement. A technicality that places the call for it in the hands of someone of authority. suspicious//
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If Katherine was playing the part assigned to her by police or FBI agents, then she maybe wouldn't see it as lying but obeying directions from law enforcement. A technicality that places the call for it in the hands of someone of authority. suspicious//
My opinion also :)
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About a month ago I’ve been thinking about how Katherine must feel about the next trial. I wished her strength because I can imagine it could be tough for her, not because of her son’s “death”, even more because of the painful memories about the 2005 trial, which will be brought to surface again. Besides, not less important, is that because of Katherine’s respectable age I’d believe that Katherine shows real emotions about the fact that in spite of her wish to be with her son as much as possible, the complicated (hoax) situation doesn’t allow this, which saddens her. I have to add that I think that Katherine is not lying, because it is a hoax and she is acting. There is a difference between acting and lying. She is acting conform the script, like an actor does in a screenplay for a movie. She is acting for the sake of Michael, she is helping Michael. That is the strong unconditional love of a mother to her son.
Difference Between Acting and Lying
Mar 31st, 2011 | By olivia
Acting vs Lying
Acting and lying have some similarities, that’s why people get confused with the usage of these two words. Lying is pretending and being untruthful. We all start on the practice of lying in our childhood though we are always taught the importance of the virtue of truth. Acting, as we all know is about a person trying to pretend like the character he is playing on screen. In a way then, acting is much like lying. Both try to convince the audience, spinning a falsehood, and leading people into a trap. Both acting and lying take the performer into a position where he is not in control of himself and not exactly himself. But there are striking differences between acting and lying also, that we will understand through this brief discussion.
An actor is a fantastic liar while a liar is a fantastic actor. But the actor lies for the sake of the character he is playing while the liar lies for himself. Acting is an art, and though both the actor as well as audience knows that the actor is lying and just portraying the character, they are led into believing that the actor is really the character on screen. The actor uses all his skills and acting talent to convince the audience that he is the character being portrayed and the lines he is speaking are coming straight from his heart. He makes the audience laugh when he laughs and cry when he cries. He can make the audience mourn when he dies on screen. If an actor can do all this, he is a terrific liar. At the end of the film, audience realizes about the lie in which they were trapped and they appreciate the creativity and talent of the actor.
If a kid is late in reaching school, he lies and pretends about the circumstances that made him late to his teacher. Here, he is also doing the same thing an actor does in a film. The only difference is that a lie takes place in real life, whereas acting is done purposefully to play a character. The real difference lies in intent. When we go to see a film, we know that the actor is lying and only pretending to be what he is not, but we are prepared for this and even pay to see the actor lying. An actor is a professional and we pay his wages when we go to see a movie. On the other end, lying takes place in real life situations and there are no settings, costumes and the director to make people lie.
The other notable difference is that in the case of acting we know that the actor is lying but we accept the fact and even pay for it, whereas in the case of lying we are unprepared and take the liar on face value.
Summary:
• Lying and acting are almost similar things
• Acting makes an actor pretend that he is the character, whereas lying takes place in real life
• The real difference lies in the intent. We know that the actor is lying but are prepared for it and even pay to see him performing, whereas we are unprepared for lying in real life
Read more: http://www.differencebetween.com/differ ... z1MMSVcSmU (http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-acting-and-vs-lying/#ixzz1MMSVcSmU)
The meaning Michael's scribbled note: “Discipline With Love” could be: this hoax is a tough life lesson (awareness), though taught with love.
LOVE