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Title: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: finfin on April 29, 2011, 09:28:12 AM
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Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
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Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyers have subpoenaed Sony for the raw footage from the "This Is It" rehearsals to show the jury ... Michael Jackson was a physical and mental mess before he died ... TMZ has learned.

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We've learned Murray's lawyers want the tapes to show Jackson was slow, lethargic and weak in the days prior to his death.  Although some of the video shows an alert MJ, other portions, we're told, clearly show something is wrong with the singer.

Murray's lawyers want to show jurors in the manslaughter case ... Michael was ill or even dying before the fateful morning ... so it wasn't really the June 25 Propofol injections that killed MJ.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: ForstAMoon on April 29, 2011, 09:36:34 AM
Murray is probably right: "...it wasn't really the June 25 Propofol injections that killed MJ".  ;)
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: katooooooo on April 29, 2011, 09:41:17 AM
yeah right he was that ill....but he was able to look good but it's not real....if it is, well i'm a pineapple...sigh
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: AnaMarcia on April 29, 2011, 09:46:08 AM
But what to do with all other documents, such as the medical certificate that says that Michael was in good health and had a body of astonauta and on comments from Charill Lee says that the blood tests were great? These documents do not show up, but the death certificate clearly states that Michael died from an overdose of propofol injected by another person. Murray wants deny the coroner ? He is audacious! These lawyers do not know that they may have problems with this? What folly!
But how is everything a circus ... I hope the next act.  ;)
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 29, 2011, 10:03:40 AM
If Michael was indeed showing up weak and in a bad mental state that was so apparent, then Murray should have used his "medical knowledge" and insisted that Michael be checked into a hospital instead of carrying on as usual.  If that were the case, Murray would still be just as guilty of being neglectful and incompetent by knowingly injecting a patient whom he saw exhibiting obvious signs of mental and physical deterioration.  He's digging his own hole if you ask me.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: bec on April 29, 2011, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
If Michael was indeed showing up weak and in a bad mental state that was so apparent, then Murray should have used his "medical knowledge" and insisted that Michael be checked into a hospital instead of carrying on as usual.  If that were the case, Murray would still be just as guilty of being neglectful and incompetent by knowingly injecting a patient whom he saw exhibiting obvious signs of mental and physical deterioration.  He's digging his own hole if you ask me.

Come again?

Court is fake, this is a movie, he's not digging a hole... he's setting the stage... and actually Murray isn't doing anything except playing the role Michael invented for him.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 29, 2011, 10:19:39 AM
I'm speaking as an unknowing person sitting on a jury in court listening to this crap.  I already know that of which you speak.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: Andrea on April 29, 2011, 10:34:01 AM
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Although some of the video shows an alert MJ, other portions, we're told, clearly show something is wrong with the singer.

Accompanied with a picture of the orange pants dude.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: _Anna_ on April 29, 2011, 10:36:32 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
If Michael was indeed showing up weak and in a bad mental state that was so apparent, then Murray should have used his "medical knowledge" and insisted that Michael be checked into a hospital instead of carrying on as usual.  If that were the case, Murray would still be just as guilty of being neglectful and incompetent by knowingly injecting a patient whom he saw exhibiting obvious signs of mental and physical deterioration.  He's digging his own hole if you ask me.

Come again?

Court is fake, this is a movie, he's not digging a hole... he's setting the stage... and actually Murray isn't doing anything except playing the role Michael invented for him.
bec, this cannot just be a movie. There are law forces involved: police, judge. They cannot just play around just for the sake of shooting a movie. It's not a game. Law is law and they are not actors.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: bec on April 29, 2011, 10:41:34 AM
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
If Michael was indeed showing up weak and in a bad mental state that was so apparent, then Murray should have used his "medical knowledge" and insisted that Michael be checked into a hospital instead of carrying on as usual.  If that were the case, Murray would still be just as guilty of being neglectful and incompetent by knowingly injecting a patient whom he saw exhibiting obvious signs of mental and physical deterioration.  He's digging his own hole if you ask me.

Come again?

Court is fake, this is a movie, he's not digging a hole... he's setting the stage... and actually Murray isn't doing anything except playing the role Michael invented for him.
bec, this cannot just be a movie. There are law forces involved: police, judge. They cannot just play around just for the sake of it. It's not a game.

Hmm, well, I didn't say it was just a movie and I certainly never said I thought it was a game. Court is fake/staged/orchestrated. You think it's real?
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: paula-c on April 29, 2011, 10:56:09 AM
As in the case of Elvis, the FBI must be responsible for coordinating this,.. and Elvis is alive is already scientifically proven with the case of eliza
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: _Anna_ on April 29, 2011, 11:03:25 AM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
If Michael was indeed showing up weak and in a bad mental state that was so apparent, then Murray should have used his "medical knowledge" and insisted that Michael be checked into a hospital instead of carrying on as usual.  If that were the case, Murray would still be just as guilty of being neglectful and incompetent by knowingly injecting a patient whom he saw exhibiting obvious signs of mental and physical deterioration.  He's digging his own hole if you ask me.

Come again?

Court is fake, this is a movie, he's not digging a hole... he's setting the stage... and actually Murray isn't doing anything except playing the role Michael invented for him.
bec, this cannot just be a movie. There are law forces involved: police, judge. They cannot just play around just for the sake of it. It's not a game.

Hmm, well, I didn't say it was just a movie and I certainly never said I thought it was a game. Court is fake/staged/orchestrated. You think it's real?
I don't understand anything from this all, it's too much chaos. I don't understand why they insist Michael was sick if he wasn't. Doesn't this have to make a point? Why insisting over and over again he was sick and frail and dying. And I certainly don't believe the court is staged. That judge is real. The police is real. they cannot risk their career and reliability for the rest of their lives leading a fake court case. People will believe that anything the police and law of their counrty will do from now on will be a joke. You understand why I can't believe the court is fake? IF FBI is involved and if all this is to catch some bad people, then again it doesn't mean the court is fake.

I don't understand why they keep on with the idea that he was sick and frail and dying. What's the point?
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 29, 2011, 11:14:48 AM
I know one thing: I would like to see the raw footage of TII.
And I would like to know how comes that Murray knows the raw footage proves MJ was lethargic.

How could he know? He saw the raw footage already?
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 29, 2011, 11:18:14 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
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Although some of the video shows an alert MJ, other portions, we're told, clearly show something is wrong with the singer.

Accompanied with a picture of the orange pants dude.

I think the orange pants dude is Michael
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 29, 2011, 11:20:57 AM
Quote from: "ForstAMoon"
Murray is probably right: "...it wasn't really the June 25 Propofol injections that killed MJ".  ;)

Such a circus of a trial I never saw or heard of in my entire life.
If something is a mess, the crazy defense theories are.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: maninthemoon on April 29, 2011, 11:28:29 AM
I hate reading TMZ & Twitter posts that involve Michael Jackson, because these kinda things really put me down and make me think he is dead. Even though, I think we've more proof of him living than dead.

Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: allforlove on April 29, 2011, 11:30:45 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "Andrea"
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Although some of the video shows an alert MJ, other portions, we're told, clearly show something is wrong with the singer.

Accompanied with a picture of the orange pants dude.

I think the orange pants dude is Michael
Some of the close ups yes, but from a distance it wasn't him.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 29, 2011, 11:34:57 AM
If you ask my opinion, which no one did :lol:  orange pants guy had lots of energy.  Yeah.  Show them that one so they can have that puzzled look in ther eyes as they are being told just how tired and worn out he was :lol:
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: suspicious mind on April 29, 2011, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
If Michael was indeed showing up weak and in a bad mental state that was so apparent, then Murray should have used his "medical knowledge" and insisted that Michael be checked into a hospital instead of carrying on as usual.  If that were the case, Murray would still be just as guilty of being neglectful and incompetent by knowingly injecting a patient whom he saw exhibiting obvious signs of mental and physical deterioration.  He's digging his own hole if you ask me.

from the real world perspective that is correct. it seems like all of the things they have tried to bring forward have the purpose of trying to prompt people to look deeper. guess we wait again to she where it goes.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: peacock7 on April 29, 2011, 12:05:30 PM
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
If Michael was indeed showing up weak and in a bad mental state that was so apparent, then Murray should have used his "medical knowledge" and insisted that Michael be checked into a hospital instead of carrying on as usual.  If that were the case, Murray would still be just as guilty of being neglectful and incompetent by knowingly injecting a patient whom he saw exhibiting obvious signs of mental and physical deterioration.  He's digging his own hole if you ask me.

Come again?

Court is fake, this is a movie, he's not digging a hole... he's setting the stage... and actually Murray isn't doing anything except playing the role Michael invented for him.
bec, this cannot just be a movie. There are law forces involved: police, judge. They cannot just play around just for the sake of it. It's not a game.

Hmm, well, I didn't say it was just a movie and I certainly never said I thought it was a game. Court is fake/staged/orchestrated. You think it's real?

Bec, I agree you.

Here is the/my thing.  WHAT IS THIS IF IT IS NOT A MOVIE?  See, some of us don't believe that MJ was murdered.  Period!  We believe he is alive.  So....... - why did he hoax his death?  To stay alive?  That doesn't make total sense, since he was seen at his own Memorial, Funeral, Halloween - et al.  He wasn't scared enough that he didn't attend those things was he?  He hasn't been afraid that his children would be targeted/threatened or his family.  Is the FBI protecting his children?  He is tearing it up as it pertains to marketing and creating anything Michael Jackson.

He can't fight the NWO by himself.  He really hasn't delivered any NWO BEWARE SIGNS all around the world.  Matter-of-fact, the latest thing he's put out along those lines may have been V for Vendetta.  Please correct me if I am wrong?  Maybe he's been involved in other movies, but are they all about the NWO?  2012 wasn't a positive movie in my opinion.  I would think that MJ believes in the Golden Age/Positive Timeline/9th Wave Unity Consciousness, and that those things awaits us HUMANS, so why would he be about scaring folks with 2012?

Lastly, to see MJ and Kenny with the camera in This is It, the Dome Project and to hear him speak about making films in interviews all fits in line with his aspirations for getting it done in a HUGE way.  To hear that Rap group (that remade I Wanna Be Where You Are) call it a movie.  To hear someone (extras?) call it a movie when we see Murray and another man walking down the street from one of TMZ's articles is a clue.  To hear Teddy Riley say that a "MJ Special" (trust him), is right around the corner.  The Gilda reference along with many other movie references in This is It.  Anyone have any more?  And on and on.  Why shouldn't we think that he is making an ARG/Movie?  

I know Souza has a thread/forum - Reasons for MJ to Hoax His Death, and Other Theories/Challenging Theories, et al, but after a while, in my estimation, the time is way over trying to figure out the whys of what he is doing, when to me the answer is starring everyone in the face.  I mean, he sings about Doc Murray in Smooth Criminal.  Where is the disconnect for not recognizing such a clue with that one?

Maybe it's just me, but like Magicalexscapism's video had in it, "Michael Jackson is an Illusionist", and he is producing/directing and staring in his Reality Film.  Our reality as human beings is one of duality.  Maybe that is why MJ shows two/dual of some things having to do with this hoax.  As soon as we globally reach unity consciousness, we all will be in another very different reality.  Then the reality that really is and has been an illusion for us human beings will be finally all over, and we'll live in the NOW.  US, God and the Universe, All Spiritually ONE.

Life is a reality film.  Like MJ said as the Scarecrow in the movie The Wiz - "Fame, fortune, they are all illusions."
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: AnaMarcia on April 29, 2011, 01:47:35 PM
And on the testimony of Kenny Ortega, who said Michael had come home because he saw that he was not well? Kenny  said that Murray  was very angry saying that Michael was fine and that he need not have gone home. Murray also told Kenny not to interfere, for he was the doctor and was taking good care of him.
So, if this case were true, the testimony of Kenny would  denied this version of the defense.
What's happening?
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on April 29, 2011, 02:06:09 PM
Quote from: "angranity"
I hate reading TMZ & Twitter posts that involve Michael Jackson, because these kinda things really put me down and make me think he is dead. Even though, I think we've more proof of him living than dead.

Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.


Angranity, obviously they will have to acquit Murray, they have to write all this so he can be free. He did not kill Michael he did not kill anyone, Michael is alive. Michael will not let an innocent man to go jail. So get a grip and be positive. blessings.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: Believe 777 on April 29, 2011, 02:29:51 PM
So the rehearsal footage is being used to show that Michael was in bad shape by Murrays defence and also to show how well and happy he was by the prosecution.

viewtopic.php?f=172&t=18815 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=18815)

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the D.A. believes the footage will support expected testimony from "This Is It" director Kenny Ortega that Michael was "happy and excited for the future."

Unless I have misunderstood, the same evidence is being used for both sides, should be interesting!
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: GINAFELICIA on April 29, 2011, 02:41:52 PM
Quote from: "Believe 777"
So the rehearsal footage is being used to show that Michael was in bad shape by Murrays defence and also to show how well and happy he was by the prosecution.



that's a good one  8-)
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: PureLove on April 29, 2011, 11:17:32 PM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "Andrea"
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Although some of the video shows an alert MJ, other portions, we're told, clearly show something is wrong with the singer.

Accompanied with a picture of the orange pants dude.

I think the orange pants dude is Michael

Of course he is Michael. There is NO double who has those long, curved fingers! So pity that people can not see real Michael any more. They think it's just a double.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/eirzhh.jpg)
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: iamamjbeliever on April 29, 2011, 11:43:33 PM
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote
Although some of the video shows an alert MJ, other portions, we're told, clearly show something is wrong with the singer.

Accompanied with a picture of the orange pants dude.

I think the orange pants dude is Michael

Of course he is Michael. There is NO double who has those long, curved fingers! So pity that people can not see real Michael any more. They think it's just a double.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/eirzhh.jpg)
its not Micheal, look closely
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: MO_1219 on April 30, 2011, 12:02:44 AM
"To Show Warning Signs"
What  I notice is the word "Warning Signs"  :)
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: 2good2btrue on April 30, 2011, 12:25:53 AM
Alot more will be said about Michael Jackson...as the story unfolds...the paparazzi would not leave him alone..Here we go again..........another lawsuit against Michael Jackson...Breaking News.

It almost sounds like something out of a sherlock holmes movie...

This is the media guys..they say what they want, and whoever they want, and we believe it.

Let let our own eyes be the judge of that.  I think these tapes are bogus, just like the security tapes.  

Remember TII was not supposed to be a movie, so why would they film him sick.???

Too much information and leaks for a real courtcase.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: _Anna_ on April 30, 2011, 02:55:28 AM
Then if he supposedly was that sick and dying why would Lou Ferrigno and others say he was in a great shape? were they blind? They would lie for what reason? Who the hell is telling the truth?

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/mjs-train ... -the-walk/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/mjs-trainer-he-could-still-walk-the-walk/)
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on April 30, 2011, 03:24:03 AM
The orange pants dude was not Michael, you can see his facial features. There is a scene when Michael was singing and he said that the music was to loud and it was bothering his ears, that was Michael talking,and he looke very good to me. So how can he be a mess?  Anyways they have to find things so Murray will be acquitted, Michael is not dead. I read this article  here I will post it: For me he is in a protection somewhere. Now if it is the Italian mafia after him, they do not touch the children, only the person who is the target, that's why Michael had to fake his death and the children stayed. Is he helping the FBI? I think he is. Remember couple months ago there was a big sting operation, alot of mobsters were caught and jailed? I wonder if this was not done my Michael with the FBI..  This is just a thought.


Michael Jackson Involved With Mafia Prior To Death?



A cryptic series of phone messages has revealed that Michael Jackson was paranoid and fearing for his life in the months preceding his death.

The tapes, which were given to journalist Daphne Barak by an unnamed source, include a voice presumed to be the late pop icon pleading for a sum of money, suggesting he uses a foreign bank account and claiming that he was involved with the Italian mafia.

“I am very concerned,” the voice says. “I don’t trust that man. We think he’s bad, we think he is Italian mafia. Please . . . we must be smarter than him. So please, help me with this. I need to get that, those funds so I can do that, I wanna be away . . . I don’t want to be in Neverland right now.”

The voice continues, “If you get this message call me immediately at 805 *** ****. What I want to talk to you about is very top, top secret . . . I need a German or Swiss bank . . .”

Jackson continues on to use the code words “Sun Screen,” saying that the message recipient should be careful while undertaking the dubious task. Though the meaning of the code and much of the content of these messages is unclear, Jackson gives one possible clue as to who he may have called, finishing one call by saying, “We are brothers.”
I wonder who he was talking to? His real brothers or someone else? In the phone conversation he stated he does not trust the man. Is it Thome Thome, I don't think this person is Italian, in order to be in the Italian mob logically you need to be Italian.I wonder who can be?
http://wlte.radio.com/2010/05/14/michae ... -to-death/ (http://wlte.radio.com/2010/05/14/michael-jackson-involved-with-mafia-prior-to-death/)
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 30, 2011, 10:55:53 AM
I still say I love Orange pants guy.  He was precious.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: finfin on April 30, 2011, 10:59:05 AM
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Then if he supposedly was that sick and dying why would Lou Ferrigno and others say he was in a great shape? were they blind? They would lie for what reason? Who the hell is telling the truth?

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/mjs-train ... -the-walk/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/mjs-trainer-he-could-still-walk-the-walk/)

Talking of Lou Ferrigno, this is the link to the very interesting video where at around 2 mins he talks about hearing stories of
Michael putting a mannequin of himself in an ambulance to fool paparazzi

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx ... 81ec29198f (http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=78f756b6-295c-48fb-8ef0-2681ec29198f)
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: Yulia on April 30, 2011, 11:28:07 AM
I don't know if it means something but he says : "... Michael was the fun...(here he looks like he wanted to say funniest and stops)  Michael is fun". Does he say "Michael is" or my ears heard wrong?
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: finfin on April 30, 2011, 11:37:14 AM
Quote from: "Yulia"
I don't know if it means something but he says : "... Michael was the fun...(here he looks like he wanted to say funniest and stops)  Michael is fun". Does he say "Michael is" or my ears heard wrong?
It could be he is saying "Michael is fun" but he is speaking very quickly and it isn't clear
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: AnaMarcia on April 30, 2011, 02:26:36 PM
:?
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: AnaMarcia on April 30, 2011, 02:29:32 PM
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote
Although some of the video shows an alert MJ, other portions, we're told, clearly show something is wrong with the singer.

Accompanied with a picture of the orange pants dude.

I think the orange pants dude is Michael

Of course he is Michael. There is NO double who has those long, curved fingers! So pity that people can not see real Michael any more. They think it's just a double.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/eirzhh.jpg)

In this photo it's Michael. Early in the film when he dances and when he sings  Speechless is still Michael. But nothing prevents the lookalike has dressed the same clothes to save other parts of the movie. For me, the guy in orange pants dancing "You Make me feel" it is not Michael, but the double!
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: PureLove on April 30, 2011, 03:56:37 PM
Quote from: "iamamjbeliever"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "Andrea"
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Although some of the video shows an alert MJ, other portions, we're told, clearly show something is wrong with the singer.

Accompanied with a picture of the orange pants dude.

I think the orange pants dude is Michael

Of course he is Michael. There is NO double who has those long, curved fingers! So pity that people can not see real Michael any more. They think it's just a double.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/eirzhh.jpg)
its not Micheal, look closely

Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
The orange pants dude was not Michael, you can see his facial features. .


 :roll:  :roll:  :roll: You guys look closely to the bone structure and his fingers. If you can find a double with the same bone structure and finger shape, show his pictures to me as a proof that backs up your theory.

It gives me headache to see you guys can not recognize Michael any more but you see him even in Grace and Murray. It's not Michael who creates the problem, it is you guys who can not see him.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: heartphantom on April 30, 2011, 05:26:15 PM
It's Michael.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: bec on April 30, 2011, 07:26:51 PM
Can't prove it is or isn't from a pic. I can't tell any more. The man's entire life has been an illusion, he uses doubles, there might be 2 MJs all along. I don't know.

Pretty sure there have long been more then one Michael Jackson presented to us as Michael Jackson.

So you guys are probably all right. It's Michael Jackson, but then so is another guy or two.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: suspicious mind on April 30, 2011, 08:38:02 PM
all of those long jackets are a problem. it makes it hard to get a good perspective of where the leg starts. sound odd to say i know , but in the pics when he is little you can see that his lower leg is somewhat short and skinny in contrast to how long and thick the upper part is.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: clea on May 01, 2011, 03:49:58 AM
Michael spoke in Dieter Wiesner all4loveandbelieve.

I do not know who am l' Italian about which Michael speaks.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: nick_93 on May 01, 2011, 03:55:36 AM
Wants rehearsals to show warning signs? As in hoax clues? ;)
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: MichiS97 on May 01, 2011, 04:40:12 AM
I don't know which movie Murray and his lawers watched... I didn't see a weak and slow MJ in TII
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: sandythyme on May 01, 2011, 07:40:32 AM
I have a question, for fun Michael use to put a mannequin of himself in an ambulance to fool the pazzs.  So where did the ambulance come from and why would they (the ambulance people) allow this prank?  At Neverland he had an old ambulance, I wonder when the last time he did this?  Just thinking out loud but, could this be the "other day" photo?  Also, Lou's comment about Michael is fun, he was getting emotional towards the end of the interview.  This interview was just a few days after Michael "died", I think  Lou still hadn't come to terms with Michael's death and was speaking in present terms rather than past.  Take care  :)
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: backstager on May 01, 2011, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
I know one thing: I would like to see the raw footage of TII.
And I would like to know how comes that Murray knows the raw footage proves MJ was lethargic.

How could he know? He saw the raw footage already?

Good point. I'd definitely like to see the raw footage he speaks about. And if Murray has actually seen the footage, why was it given to him? I hope that if the trial is televised they'll at least show this piece of evidence, if we don't see it or if TMZ or news sources don't cover it.. I don't think it's real  :geek: Because that doesn't make sense that he of all people had seen the raw footage.
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: Integrity on May 01, 2011, 07:22:57 PM
This does not make any since at all!  :twisted:
Kenny Oretga said that because he was concerned about MJ he confronted Murray and the gang at a meeting to let them know that he felt Michael was not eating or may need to get some help!
I am not sure of the exact word for word but I know he brought it up to Dr. Murray and all of the others.
And what happend nothing at all? What did they do? NOTHING THATS WHAT :twisted:  :shock:
Dr. Murray went off on Kenny Ortega :x  and told him Michael was find that it was not any of his business and he knows what he is doing and that MJ can return to work.  :lol:
BUT  HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO GIVE CPR OR DIAL 911 AND SOMEONE IS DEAD BECAUSE OF HIS NEGLEGENCE  :shock:  
DR. M NEEDS TO GET HIM SOME BETTER LAWYERS BECAUSE IF THIS INFORMATION IS TRUE THAN THIS IS A HOAX!
WHAT LAWYER WOULD EVER BRING UP DAMAGING EVIDENCE! :shock:  
CONTRADICTION AT ITS BEST! WOW! IT IS GETTING CRAZIER AND CRAZIER EVERYDAY!  lolol/
Title: Re: Murray Wants MJ Rehearsals To Show Warning Signs
Post by: suspicious mind on May 01, 2011, 09:15:35 PM
Quote from: "sandythyme"
I have a question, for fun Michael use to put a mannequin of himself in an ambulance to fool the pazzs.  So where did the ambulance come from and why would they (the ambulance people) allow this prank?  At Neverland he had an old ambulance, I wonder when the last time he did this?  Just thinking out loud but, could this be the "other day" photo?  Also, Lou's comment about Michael is fun, he was getting emotional towards the end of the interview.  This interview was just a few days after Michael "died", I think  Lou still hadn't come to terms with Michael's death and was speaking in present terms rather than past.  Take care  :)

so if he used manniquines to fool the paps there should be some old peices about him being taken in an ambulance or at least someone has heard of this before. or you would think they would ad that to list of this is why jacko is whaco ( :( sorry i had to say it to make the point) pale/
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