Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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TIAI Revealed, Part 9: Today is 12-21-2009 (R49)
In this final part, we are going to be examining once again the “2012” film—especially as it relates to the concept of the end of the world on 12-21-2012, which is exactly three years from today. The “2012” movie story starts in the year 2009, and ends in 2012.
The “four years” that MJ mentioned in TII started in the spring of 2009 (when the “This Is It” concerts were in the planning stages); so we have already gone through the first year. You could also think of the four years as ending on 9-9-09, 10-10-10, 11-11-11, and 12-12-12 (ten day countdown to 12-21-12). Of course these are a little more than a year apart; but they are interesting numerology milestones in the four year process.
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“Can Ye Not Discern the Signs of the Times?”
Jesus said: “… ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?” (Matthew 16:3). Jesus also said: “… when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh [near], even at the doors. … Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:29-32).
So we don’t know the exact day or hour of the end of the world—maybe not even the exact year. But if we can “discern the signs of the times”, we should be able to know when it is near! The exact date of 12-21-2012 for the end of the world is fiction; it could happen on that date, but unlikely. However the end of the world being near is a very real concept, and not merely fiction. So let’s look at some of the “signs of the times”, which show that the end is near.
Speaking of fleeing at the end of time, Jesus said: “But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matthew 24:20,21). Did you know that 12-21-2012 will be the first day of winter (northern hemisphere)? And did you know that 12-21-2012 will be a Friday? And did you know that in the Bible, the Sabbath day begins at sunset on Friday?? Is it a coincidence, that both of the things which Jesus mentioned (winter and Sabbath) will begin on the same day that the Mayan calendar ends?
Again, this does not necessarily mean that the world will end on 12-21-2012; in fact, Jesus asked us to pray that we would not have to flee on that day. Nevertheless, the fact that all these things line up on the same day is almost certainly a clue (sign) that the end is near.
The NWO is another huge sign that the end is near. It was prophesied nearly 2,000 years ago in the book of Revelation; read the whole book, especially the last half—and most particularly Revelation chapters 17 & 18. Here are a couple verses: “These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them:” (17:13,14).
Also very well known, from the book of Revelation, is 666 and the mark of the beast (see Revelation 13 & 14). The mark is related to finances: “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark …” (13:17).
Surely you know that USA has the largest economy in the world. But did you know that S&P 500 (not Dow) is “the most reliable measure of the broader market” {http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7468215}? And did you know that the S&P 500 hit a low of 666 this year on 3-6-09 {http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?StoryId=%7bD2687B35-8BC2-4AA9-A2D4-A004E3E15AF1%7d}; even the date is similar to 666 (subtract 3 from the last digit, and add it to the first digit). This was the bottom point in the worst US recession since the great depression; and in fact many people were calling it the verge of financial “Armageddon” (another end-of-the-world term from Revelation). What does this mean? Surely, it is another sign that the end is near.
Daniel 12:4 says that in “… the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” Do we see that today? Travel on a major scale, the likes of which has never existed before in human history. And also there is increasing knowledge in many areas, never before known to man. In fact the internet, a major source of knowledge, has only come into normal household use in the last decade or two. Furthermore, the speed that we can now share information on the internet (through videos, pictures, etc) is something that we couldn’t do just a few years ago.
Another sign of the end is many natural disasters (see Matthew 24:7; Mark 13;8; Luke 21:11; etc). Did you know that earthquakes (along with other disasters) are on the increase? {http://earthquake.usgs.gov/}
As mentioned already (see R47), the Ark of the Covenant plays a major role near the end of time. Again, stayed tuned to TIAI for more info on the Ark; this will certainly happen well before 12-21-2012.
And what about the Mayan calendar ending on 12-21-2012, should we entirely dismiss this? Again, maybe nothing will happen on that exact day—perhaps not even in that year; but especially in light of all the other signs, it is pretty evident that the Mayans did not miss the end of the world by centuries, or even decades. Sometimes I think that the ancient civilizations had more true wisdom than modern man, with all his boasted technology and science.
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“The Son of Man Cometh at an Hour When Ye Think Not.”
“Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” (Luke 12:40; see 12:46; Matthew 24:50). “… the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” (1 Thessalonians 5:2,3; see Luke 17:26-30).
Different people have different concepts—even within Christianity—about the end of the world: when it will happen, how it will happen, etc. And other religions also have their concepts of the end of time. But most people in most religions are realizing that the world is on the verge of some major change; that is just too obvious to hide.
And for those who think that there will be at least seven more years before the end, be careful. Maybe there will be, but maybe not. Remember that the Jews—even Christ’s own disciples—thought that prophecy was yet to be fulfilled, before the Messiah would come; and yet the prophecy had already been fulfilled, and they didn’t recognize it (see Malachi 4:5; Matthew 17:10-13; etc).
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“There Shall Come in the Last Days Scoffers”
“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:3,4; see 3:5,6).
Scoffing is another major sign that the end is near. Just because there have been false alarms in the past, doesn’t mean that the real thing will never come. So don’t be too quick to join in with the scoffing attitude.
And don’t be over confident in what the media or scientists tell you (that it’s not the end of the world); often scientists are right, but they have also been wrong at times (see 1 Timothy 6:20).
Scientists were wrong in the days of Noah; they told everyone not to worry about any flood, because it had never rained before and “all things [would] continue as they were from the beginning of the creation” (see Genesis 2:5; 2 Peter 3:3-6). So of all the people in the antediluvian world: only eight refused to believe the scientists, and decided to get into the ark of safety.
Do you think that the flood is just a myth? Jesus took it literally, and used it as an example of how people would be at the end of the world: “And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.” (see Matthew 24:37-39; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 2:5; etc). Again, stay tuned to TIAI: and soon you will see abundant evidence that the flood of Noah literally happened—similar to the final scenes in the “2012” movie.
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This Is REALLY It!
The end of the world is near: whether you want it or not, whether you believe it or not, whether you’re ready or not—the end of the world is coming, soon and very soon! This is big; this is huge; this is colossal; in fact, it really doesn’t get any bigger than this!!! And once again, from the London press conference {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1znYaU0oeo&feature=PlayList&p=4337629E8ED55A02&index=4}: “This is it, I mean this is REALLY it; this is the final — this is the FINAL curtain call.”
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So.. I'm an archaeologist and not a religious girl, that means that my science doesn't have proofs to show me that in fact was a Jesus or a Father or a Noe Ark. I do respect others belief, as much as I expect that they respect mines.. My point is, that if I don't believe in the end of the world based on bible (what it doesn't mean that I think the world is going to be forever and ever), then I can't believe in this either? if THIS IS IT is purely related with the prediccions on the bible, then there will be no "IT" for me?
hmm I'm kinda confussed here.
Kisses
Sorry about my english
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So.. I'm an archaeologist and not a religious girl, that means that my science doesn't have proofs to show me that in fact was a Jesus or a Father or a Noe Ark. I do respect others belief, as much as I expect that they respect mines.. My point is, that if I don't believe in the end of the world based on bible (what it doesn't mean that I think the world is going to be forever and ever), then I can't believe in this either? if THIS IS IT is purely related with the prediccions on the bible, then there will be no "IT" for me?
hmm I'm kinda confussed here.
Kisses
Sorry about my english
dear, the man ... Money....lies...media... govern... they will destroy the world!
(they are doing this, NOW)
What was COP15? NOTHING!
there is a HELL behind it!
remember what MJ said in TII (earth song)
Change the world IT DEPEND ON US!
dont see the truth (TIAI - COP15, 911, Kennedy ...) is dont know what is happening with OUR PLANET!
ignorance is the worst disease (but, not because u want it... because THEY want)
anyway ....
the end is comming!
WW3!
Before 2012 ...i think!
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Hi Dii!.. of course I see that, in fact I mentioned in another thread, for me is clear that TIAI was showing us things that maybe we didn't even think about like something strange, showing us that everything is not the way we believe it is - media- goverment- etc...
But I've read the 9 parts and of course I understand some bible passages for ex. that the intention is not to be directly related with the bible per se, but to show us in simply words things like defeating those who owns the power or things like that.. but I also see a lot of religious concepts that are used like if they were facts.. I don't know if I make myself clear :P I believe not haha.. the thing is that if that concets are not facts for me, i am like.. in the middle!! waiting and believing but not in this way that has been shown to us.
if it is complicated to understand me, pleasejust ignore me :S I understand.
Lot of kisses!!
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Hi Dii!.. of course I see that, in fact I mentioned in another thread, for me is clear that TIAI was showing us things that maybe we didn't even think about like something strange, showing us that everything is not the way we believe it is - media- goverment- etc...
But I've read the 9 parts and of course I understand some bible passages for ex. that the intention is not to be directly related with the bible per se, but to show us in simply words things like defeating those who owns the power or things like that.. but I also see a lot of religious concepts that are used like if they were facts.. I don't know if I make myself clear :P I believe not haha.. the thing is that if that concets are not facts for me, i am like.. in the middle!! waiting and believing but not in this way that has been shown to us.
if it is complicated to understand me, pleasejust ignore me :S I understand.
Lot of kisses!!
yah..its...its..
i cant think anymore...i am not feeling very well .... :cry:
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yah..its...its..
i cant think anymore...i am not feeling very well .... :cry:
neither am i.. never expected something like this.. actually i don't know what i expected TIAI to be but i don't think i can believe in all the religious theories, they aren't facts... neither did i think when Michael talked about we have 4 years, he was really saying that the world is going to end for sure.. in my religiion, we are told the world will end when no one will be there to remember God and we will never know when it will happen. so i can't really believe in this i guess... atleast at his moment. i really don't know what to think. all i can say is just i'm not getting any any good vibes now. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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i really don't know what to think. all i can say is just i'm not getting any any good vibes now. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
all will be ok *hugs*
believe in your religion if it makes u feel well! ;)
we are trying to show that 'elite' and media are controling the world!
with lies and lies!
MONEY and POWER this is the New World Order!
end of the world in 2012?? only in Hollywood!
read about the Mayan culture and you will understand how their calendar is!
unfortunately ... the man will end the world!
Hunger, anger, greed ... WAR!
They use the Media to control the world (rememeber all the LIES about Michael! mainly the LIE about his 'death'). This same media that HATED michael in 2005! After June 25, they LOVE mj!
he wants to shut up the media also. MEDIA LOVES BLOOD!
TIAI is here, showing that there is MORE behind the media!
Behind the LIE is the TRUTH!
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OK... OK
I dont believe in this "theory" but even it is true...
i dont understand the connection to MJ.
I mean... what's that got to do with the hoax?
The world will end + MJ = ???
Hope i make myself clear. :)
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we are trying to show that 'elite' and media are controling the world!
with lies and lies!
MONEY and POWER this is the New World Order!
end of the world in 2012?? only in Hollywood!
read about the Mayan culture and you will understand how their calendar is!
unfortunately ... the man will end the world!
Hunger, anger, greed ... WAR!
They use the Media to control the world (rememeber all the LIES about Michael! mainly the LIE about his 'death'). This same media that HATED michael in 2005! After June 25, they LOVE mj!
he wants to shut up the media also. MEDIA LOVES BLOOD!
TIAI is here, showing that there is MORE behind the media!
Behind the LIE is the TRUTH!
this is the connection between mj and hoax and TIAI..
couse they don't care about us...!
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All I can say is that the world is coming to an end as we speak " Media" & "Governments"
are taking a toll on us as we speak.
They have & still are lying to us about everything & anything no matter how large or small it is, the truth of the matter is the full impact is always on us the unsuspecting public!
But you know something! we are to blame because we vote for the vultures that Govern us and give them power over us.
Once they are in power they forget that we put them there to "SURVE US" that is their job, but we should not blame them because we in turn forget why we put them there.
And go on walking around like zombies doing our every day chores, "work - family etc.....
We empower them with the ability to lie, manipulate & treat us like dirt regardless of colour or race those are insignificant things to them.
And if we don't dance to their tunes? May God have mercy on us .......................
They will turn around and devour us in seconds like carnivores if we don't obied by their rules.
I have given you my views so now you know what I think of the "Media & our Government's" in general.
But my question is what the crap does all this have to do with the Mr Michael Jackson?
So far from what I have read on the (9 points) it does not give me any indication if he is alive or dead?
Sorry but I function on proof and nothing more!
Theories and speculations are just that..................................
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I think what this is all saying is that we are headed on a path of destruction of our earth and there may be only one person who can bring people together from all over the world to change this course. Because, so far, no one else has made an attempt to do it. Would the world have listened to Michael before his "death"? In the US, we didn't even hear about the O2 announcement. But, his "death" brought him back to life again...the media loves him, his records are flying off the charts again, he is winning AMA awards like they are going out of style. I dunno! It is all very crazy. :?
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I just read all the parts and right now I'm overwhelmed :shock: I always knew he was alive; I'm not that good at interpretating the clues but there are people who did it for me, great people here in the forum; I think some of the clues were brilliant, brilliant!
I've got a question though, about the end of the world: couldn't the end of the world be interpreted as the end of the world as we know it more then literally the end of the world? I mean, the end of the media manipulation, the end of our blindness, an awakening for all the people? The greatest demonstration in the History of our nation.
Just a thought....
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@21bella1259, you just said what i was trying to. What exactly does all this have to do with the hoax? This didn't give me any indication if Michael is even alive or not.
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Wow just read all 9 parts... That was alot of work that went into that so i respect S.T.U.D.Y for all the hard work...
Regardless of what everybody thinks the "Message" for the bigger picture is clear.. We all need to get off our butts and do something to change the world..
PS Michael you can come back now
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@21bella1259, you just said what i was trying to. What exactly does all this have to do with the hoax? This didn't give me any indication if Michael is even alive or not.
Of course he is!
guys, THIS IS NOT_ JUST_ A HOAX!
THIS IS NOT _ONLY_ABOUT MJ!
OK... OK
I dont believe in this "theory" but even it is true...
i dont understand the connection to MJ.
I mean... what's that got to do with the hoax?
The world will end + MJ = ???
Hope i make myself clear. :)
he is trying to change the world.
put an end to alienation ... there are many things that the world dont know!
the end of the world means WAR!
WHY WAR??
NWO!
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I agree! NWO is evil power center in a few months what was hidden from the media was discovered thanks to Michael Jackson ...
Seeking the truth about Michael, I opened my eyes to the abyss of our planetary system.
At each step was opening a few more pages of horror.
Violence, money, war crimes.
Even in Italy there is a tentacle NWO, is visible and always produces more damage to people's daily lives. :(
But here in Italy there are many cultural backwardness ... very few people are rebelling against corruption, dishonesty, the cancellation of rights. :shock:
It 'hard to organize a force as powerful without money, without technological support, without external funding.
Speaking of love is indeed beautiful, but they are only words without deeds.
Here is difficult. But I believe in the power of ideas and thoughts that can fly high, we are few but will become an army without weapons if we really believe ... :)
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I joined MJHD after the crash, so I knew nothing of your threads. So, thank you for the TIAI reveal and all the hard work you put into this recap. It is very illuminating ;) . One Love.
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all will be ok *hugs*
believe in your religion if it makes u feel well! ;)
we are trying to show that 'elite' and media are controling the world!
with lies and lies!
MONEY and POWER this is the New World Order!
end of the world in 2012?? only in Hollywood!
read about the Mayan culture and you will understand how their calendar is!
unfortunately ... the man will end the world!
Hunger, anger, greed ... WAR!
They use the Media to control the world (rememeber all the LIES about Michael! mainly the LIE about his 'death'). This same media that HATED michael in 2005! After June 25, they LOVE mj!
he wants to shut up the media also. MEDIA LOVES BLOOD!
TIAI is here, showing that there is MORE behind the media!
Behind the LIE is the TRUTH!
thank you so much... but i have something to say here.. i have been hearing about this illumaniti, conspiracy theory, NWO facts... i don't think i know much about all this. since my native language is not english it is really hard for me sometimes to understand such difficult words and explanations of this theories. can someone please help me explaining these things in a bit easier english? :(
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i really don't know what to think. all i can say is just i'm not getting any any good vibes now. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
all will be ok *hugs*
believe in your religion if it makes u feel well! ;)
we are trying to show that 'elite' and media are controling the world!
with lies and lies!
MONEY and POWER this is the New World Order!
end of the world in 2012?? only in Hollywood!
read about the Mayan culture and you will understand how their calendar is!
unfortunately ... the man will end the world!
Hunger, anger, greed ... WAR!
They use the Media to control the world (rememeber all the LIES about Michael! mainly the LIE about his 'death'). This same media that HATED michael in 2005! After June 25, they LOVE mj!
he wants to shut up the media also. MEDIA LOVES BLOOD!
TIAI is here, showing that there is MORE behind the media!
Behind the LIE is the TRUTH!
yes you're so right!
this world is being distroyed, by man.. hunger, greed, injustice, it's everywhere! all around us!!
so sad but so true! :(
we have to change it!
make people aware! we have to stand up now!
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So.. I'm an archaeologist and not a religious girl, that means that my science doesn't have proofs to show me that in fact was a Jesus or a Father or a Noe Ark. I do respect others belief, as much as I expect that they respect mines.. My point is, that if I don't believe in the end of the world based on bible (what it doesn't mean that I think the world is going to be forever and ever), then I can't believe in this either? if THIS IS IT is purely related with the prediccions on the bible, then there will be no "IT" for me?
hmm I'm kinda confussed here.
Kisses
Sorry about my english
Ok, so you don't believe in the second coming and the world is not coming to an end. What are your thoughts on the NWO? Do you believe this is a possibility? There is a lot of proof out there of what the elites are setting up. Life on earth will be nothing like it is today. If for no other reason than to secure life as you know it now I would suggest doing a bit of research on the NWO. I firmly believe MJ message to us is about NWO and the end times.
Said in L.O.V.E. :)
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all will be ok *hugs*
believe in your religion if it makes u feel well! ;)
we are trying to show that 'elite' and media are controling the world!
with lies and lies!
MONEY and POWER this is the New World Order!
end of the world in 2012?? only in Hollywood!
read about the Mayan culture and you will understand how their calendar is!
unfortunately ... the man will end the world!
Hunger, anger, greed ... WAR!
They use the Media to control the world (rememeber all the LIES about Michael! mainly the LIE about his 'death'). This same media that HATED michael in 2005! After June 25, they LOVE mj!
he wants to shut up the media also. MEDIA LOVES BLOOD!
TIAI is here, showing that there is MORE behind the media!
Behind the LIE is the TRUTH!
thank you so much... but i have something to say here.. i have been hearing about this illumaniti, conspiracy theory, NWO facts... i don't think i know much about all this. since my native language is not english it is really hard for me sometimes to understand such difficult words and explanations of this theories. can someone please help me explaining these things in a bit easier english? :(
if you want to know anything, feel free to PM me anytime! :)
maybe i can help you, to understand the basics about it...
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The end of the mayan calender is refering that the world (not the planet) as we know it stops to exist. It means that the sytems (money based) is collapsing. That people that care only of money will get into truble, they might get into Life crises, lose their money, get sick ... .
an new sytem will become more important or rule the world. L.O.V.E. will be a big part , unity, we are all one will be a another, god´s message in religios or spritual way will become essential, will be understood by more and more peolple......
and here comes MJ, with his hoax
he weakens the NWO, we all togheter could eliminate the NWO... and the world as we know stops to exist!....
I can´t say it any claerer (english is a foraign language for me) But be open minded and try to understand
....MJ with his Army of LOVE (us)!! will be able to change the sytem and that is our part in 2012!!!!!
L.O.V.E.
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There should be millions of people here supporting this site. And whether or not you believe Michael is God, or the Revelations in the Bible are true, it is for certain that something is VERY wrong with this world. There were millions in the streets for Peace ahead of the Iraq war and it still happened. The people are spending billions to 'save the banks' that put the people into foreclosure. Torture is accepted, our prisons are full to overflowing......I could go on. The bottom line is if MJ is willing to risk EVERYthing to save the planet, I'm there for him, whoever he is. We need all the help we can get. A megastar with billions of devoted fans? How lucky can we get?
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So.. I'm an archaeologist and not a religious girl, that means that my science doesn't have proofs to show me that in fact was a Jesus or a Father or a Noe Ark. I do respect others belief, as much as I expect that they respect mines.. My point is, that if I don't believe in the end of the world based on bible (what it doesn't mean that I think the world is going to be forever and ever), then I can't believe in this either? if THIS IS IT is purely related with the prediccions on the bible, then there will be no "IT" for me?
hmm I'm kinda confussed here.
Kisses
Sorry about my english
Ok, so you don't believe in the second coming and the world is not coming to an end. What are your thoughts on the NWO? Do you believe this is a possibility? There is a lot of proof out there of what the elites are setting up. Life on earth will be nothing like it is today. If for no other reason than to secure life as you know it now I would suggest doing a bit of research on the NWO. I firmly believe MJ message to us is about NWO and the end times.
Said in L.O.V.E. :)
First of all.. read again, I said that I'm not areligious girl but that IT DOESN'T MEANS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE WORLD IS GOING TO BE FOREVER AND EVER. the second coming of what? My post was reffered to this part 9 of TIAI, really is so difficult to understand what i say?.. did I say that I don't believe in NWO? did I say that the world was static and never will change? did I said that elites are good and so is the media? did I say anything about not believeing in Michael Message?... maybe I should stop posting, because I've said nothing like this, all I've said is that this all biblic prophecies and supposedly facts are not true for me, I work with science and the kind of science I work on does't allow me to believe in religion because they are totally opposite because my proofs are analysis and religious proofs is just faith, although I think that everyone needs to believe in something (even if that something is in oneself), is not enough for an explanation as I see it. And this part of TIAI is baes mostly in biblic facts, so he/she lost me in this part cause I can't see it that way even if I try hard.
I'm not disrespectful any believe or TS job, nothing like that.. but please, If you don't understand my poor english, don't quote me, I haven't even mention anything of what you said in your reply.
Lots of L.O.V.E
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The end of the mayan calender is refering that the world (not the planet) as we know it stops to exist. It means that the sytems (money based) is collapsing. That people that care only of money will get into truble, they might get into Life crises, lose their money, get sick ... .
an new sytem will become more important or rule the world. L.O.V.E. will be a big part , unity, we are all one will be a another, god´s message in religios or spritual way will become essential, will be understood by more and more peolple......
and here comes MJ, with his hoax
he weakens the NWO, we all togheter could eliminate the NWO... and the world as we know stops to exist!....
I can´t say it any claerer (english is a foraign language for me) But be open minded and try to understand
....MJ with his Army of LOVE (us)!! will be able to change the sytem and that is our part in 2012!!!!!
L.O.V.E.
Very well said. Many seem to be struggling to see the connection between this and what it has to do with the hoax. Michael's message needed to have personal impact, to be heard loudly enough to make people stand up and feel what is happening to our world. He knows the true power of connecting with love and each other. This is all we need to create a brighter future. To see the truth and stop giving away our power to greedy, controlling forces. We don't need to be told how to live our lives,we need to connect with love and go with our hearts. The truth may be scary, but the more who see it, the more control they lose. They are only in control because so many agree to follow orders and go to war and believe that money gives us choice and freedom. If these people refuse to believe in false freedoms and refuse to fight and kill and start loving, then their power will wither away and we can create the world we choose. A world filled with love, respect and truth. This is what most of us want, is it not? I do hope Michael does come back and believe he will, but only he knows how and when. This has to be done right, for all of us and I trust Michael to get it right. Truth and love have been his constant guide and is starting to become ours. Lets feel the power of love and unite to bring our freedoms back.
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The NWO Illuminati or whatever they like to call themselves will only see one end when it is all said and done, and that is they will all meet their maker :lol: .
As I said before in another reply
THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH
They are far from meek and that is a sign in scripture.
Revelation chapters 17 & 18. Here are a couple verses: “These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them:” (17:13,14).
I was just talking with my sister and we were talking about how the NWO wants to keep their bloodline pure. It's pretty disgusting if you think about it. To keep it pure you would have to "keep it in the family." :shock: This goes back to the days of the Ancient Egyptians. Althoug a beautiful history, they also "kept it in the family." To keep the ancient bloodline going they would married one's sister and brother.
The Rothchilds, The Rockefellers and many more.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread372125/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread372125/pg1)
The wolves will perish and the lambs will thrive
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The end of the mayan calender is refering that the world (not the planet) as we know it stops to exist. It means that the sytems (money based) is collapsing. That people that care only of money will get into truble, they might get into Life crises, lose their money, get sick ... .
an new sytem will become more important or rule the world. L.O.V.E. will be a big part , unity, we are all one will be a another, god´s message in religios or spritual way will become essential, will be understood by more and more peolple......
and here comes MJ, with his hoax
he weakens the NWO, we all togheter could eliminate the NWO... and the world as we know stops to exist!....
I can´t say it any claerer (english is a foraign language for me) But be open minded and try to understand
....MJ with his Army of LOVE (us)!! will be able to change the sytem and that is our part in 2012!!!!!
L.O.V.E.
AMEN! ;)
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This really says a lot.
We do need to come together,for Love and Peace.
What I didn't like was, to me, it seemed very Christian-based.
I'm agnostic, and open to all ideas, but I don't like bias.
We honestly have no proof than any religion is the RIGHT religion, other than it says so in their book of choice.
I believe in Love and Peace, and that is what we need. I don't like people blaming all their problems on the Devil, it is not the work of the Devil it is the work of us. We have the power over ourselves.
Great post otherwise, you got the message through. I just felt as though if I don't convert to Christianity then I will burn when the world ends (which I guess is soon..?) People need to stop looking at the end of the world scenarios, has it ever happened before? Obviously not. We do need to spread the Love, and join the Army of L.O.V.E for Michael.
Do it for the world, the children, for Michael. Not because the END IS NEAR. We've got to give them hope.
I Love you all, spread the message.
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Somehow it sounds as if the end will come anyway, no matter what we do. Or do I get it wrong? Is there still sth that can be done?
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Love is the sweetest ambrosia that we can give.
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So.. I'm an archaeologist and not a religious girl, that means that my science doesn't have proofs to show me that in fact was a Jesus or a Father or a Noe Ark. I do respect others belief, as much as I expect that they respect mines.. My point is, that if I don't believe in the end of the world based on bible (what it doesn't mean that I think the world is going to be forever and ever), then I can't believe in this either? if THIS IS IT is purely related with the prediccions on the bible, then there will be no "IT" for me?
hmm I'm kinda confussed here.
Kisses
Sorry about my english
I am not religious at ALL and after the very much hated religion lessons at school, these are some of the few bible lines I've read in my life.
Actually, I see the Bible as a book of wisdom, tales and symbols. I don't know what to think about the physical end of the world - this, of course, feels so absurd and far away, and the thought of it is frightening me deeply, but the physical possibility is there. Einstein has a theory about that exact date.
But the whole story about the flood and the end of the world could be a metapher for the history and future of mankind, the corruption, the lies, the money etc. and it happens all the time, but is now soming to it's peak.
As Michael is highly religious, we can't leave out the Bible, just because it doesn't suit our beliefs or non-beliefs.
I don't need a scientific proof, that Jesus lived. I don't need to be a historian to know, that the stories didn't EXACTLY happen, as they were written.
My proof that Jesus did actually live as a human being on this earth is Michael Jackson.
Michael Jackson is the proof, that there can be one man, that contains only the GOOD.
Michael Jackson is the proof, that the people don't understand the GOOD - and they hate, what they don't understand.
On a German forum someone posted the similarities between MJ and Jesus. Of course, as I am a complete religion noob, I wasn't aware of any real similarities, but I FELT, MJ is like Jesus. That was shortly after 6/25. So I started googeling about that and found the post.
The only difference actually is, that Michael doesn't surround himself with women and wine, and that he is more successfull in his own time, which is a result of the quick spread of information. Jesus had a lot more effort to spread the word, than a 150-million-copy-selling international artist ;-)
Well, it's a very contrary topic, because many people feel offended, when a human being is compared to Jesus, who they see as the son of God, a holy saint, but I do see Jesus no other than as a human being, who spread L.O.V.E. and wanted to bring awareness, who helped the ill and the children, who loved everybody - even his enemy.
Imagine, if the world doesn't stop existing in 4 years, what will people in 2000 years know about Michael Jackson? If we go on to find out the truth, to spread his message, to form Michael's Army - he'll be considered as the Messenger of L.O.V.E., the Healer of the world, who was killed and ressurrected from the dead, who could change his appearance and walk on the Moon :-D... And if they're happy, they invent something to be able to hear evidence in the most beautiful manner.
I do think that all the time: Michael leaves a lot of stuff for a new religion, which I am happy to join NOW ;-)
Ans someone in the near future (in a couple of hundred years) will need to translate all the LOLs, WTFs, WTHs, BAMSDAY etc. for the posterity!
What's my point? I don't know... Close to Christmas, I guess :lol:
I just post it anyways - haha
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... NWO is evil power center in a few months what was hidden from the media was discovered thanks to Michael Jackson ...
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Please, I missed something. I am not jumping sides, here, but, Michael Jackson didn't discover the NWO---it's been in the works in America, semi-openly, since they put the very words in Latin on our one dollar bills, and took our gold out of general circulation in the thirties (yeah, try to purchase anything with gold), and way before that, no matter what you've heard, NWO assassins had Abraham Lincoln killed. It was predicted in scripture (whether you believe what It says or is, it is still a fact that); it is written there.
Please don't tell me anyone thinks MJ is the Beast, who is to solve all the world's problems and then turn and stake us in the guts once the world makes him the Golden Leader of the planet. Don't even try it. If another person says that to me I will scream.
No, I will hear YOU out, first. Then I will scream, privately... Don’t tell me that. What did I miss, or, what do you all mean, please?
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There should be millions of people here supporting this site. And whether or not you believe Michael is God, or the Revelations in the Bible are true, it is for certain that something is VERY wrong with this world. There were millions in the streets for Peace ahead of the Iraq war and it still happened. The people are spending billions to 'save the banks' that put the people into foreclosure. Torture is accepted, our prisons are full to overflowing......I could go on. The bottom line is if MJ is willing to risk EVERYthing to save the planet, I'm there for him, whoever he is. We need all the help we can get. A megastar with billions of devoted fans? How lucky can we get?
You post made me GASP.... because you are so so right. Michael Jackson is going to save the fucking world.
And really, if he can't, no one can.
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There should be millions of people here supporting this site. And whether or not you believe Michael is God, or the Revelations in the Bible are true, it is for certain that something is VERY wrong with this world. There were millions in the streets for Peace ahead of the Iraq war and it still happened. The people are spending billions to 'save the banks' that put the people into foreclosure. Torture is accepted, our prisons are full to overflowing......I could go on. The bottom line is if MJ is willing to risk EVERYthing to save the planet, I'm there for him, whoever he is. We need all the help we can get. A megastar with billions of devoted fans? How lucky can we get?
You post made me GASP.... because you are so so right. Michael Jackson is going to save the fucking world.
And really, if he can't, no one can.
he's our Captain EO :)
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The end of the mayan calender is refering that the world (not the planet) as we know it stops to exist. It means that the sytems (money based) is collapsing. That people that care only of money will get into truble, they might get into Life crises, lose their money, get sick ... .
an new sytem will become more important or rule the world. L.O.V.E. will be a big part , unity, we are all one will be a another, god´s message in religios or spritual way will become essential, will be understood by more and more peolple......
this is what i think also, its the end of the world we know it as, not the whole planet
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And here is what I found.....for what it's worth.
The Next Transition
From that 1987 date until now, Mr. Barrios says, we have been in a time when the right arm of the materialistic world is disappearing, slowly but inexorably. We are at the cusp of the era when peace begins, and people live in harmony with Mother Earth. We are no longer in the World of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition.
As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth changes.
All this, Mr. Barrios says, was foreseen via the simple, spiral mathematics of the Mayan calendars. "It will change," Mr. Barrios observes. "Everything will change." He said Mayan Daykeepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a new era resulting from and signified by the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy.
At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered in all the world's spiritual traditions. Some observers say this alignment with the heart of the galaxy in 2012 will open a channel for cosmic energy to flow through the earth, cleansing it and all that dwells upon it, raising all to a higher level of vibration.
This process has already begun, Mr. Barrios suggested.
"Change is accelerating now, and it will continue to accelerate." If the people of the earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape, without having destroyed too much of the Earth, Mr. Barrios said, we will rise to a new, higher level.
But to get there we must transform enormously powerful forces that seek to block the way.
A Picture of the Road Ahead
From his understanding of the Mayan tradition and the calendars, Mr. Barrios offered a picture of where we are at and what may lie on the road ahead: The date specified in the calendar Winter Solstice in the year 2012 does not mark the end of the world. Many outside people writing about the Mayan calendar sensationalize this date, but they do not know. The ones who know are the indigenous elders who are entrusted with keeping the tradition.
"Humanity will continue," he contends, "but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human."
We are living in the most important era of the Mayan calendars and prophecies. All the prophecies of the world, all the traditions, are converging now. There is no time for games. The spiritual ideal of this era is action. Many powerful souls have reincarnated in this era, with a lot of power. This is true on both sides, the light and the dark. High magic is at work on both sides.
Things will change, but it is up to the people how difficult or easy it is for the changes to come about. The economy now is a fiction. The first five-year stretch of transition from August 1987 to August 1992 was the beginning of the destruction of the material world. We have progressed ten years deeper into the transition phase by now, and many of the so-called sources of financial stability are in fact hollow.
The banks are weak. This is a delicate moment for them. They could crash globally if we don't pay attention. If the banks crash ... then we will be forced to rely on the land and our skills. The monetary systems will be in chaos, and we must then rely on our direct relationship with the Earth for our food and shelter. The North and South Poles are both breaking up. The level of the water in the oceans is going to rise. But at the same time land in the ocean, especially near Cuba, is also going to rise.
A Call for Fusion
As he met with audiences in Santa Fe, Mr. Barrios told a story about the most recent Mayan New Year ceremonies in Guatemala. He said that one respected Mam elder, who lives all year in a solitary mountain cave, journeyed to Chichicastenango to speak with the people at the ceremony. The elder delivered a simple, direct message. He called for human beings to come together in support of life and light. Right now each person and group is going his or her own way. The elder of the mountains said there is hope if the people of the light can come together and unite in some way.
Reflecting on this, Mr. Barrios explained: "We live in a world of polarity: day and night, man and woman, positive and negative. Light and darkness need each other. They are a balance. Just now the dark side is very strong, and very clear about what they want. They have their vision and their priorities clearly held, and also their hierarchy. They are working in many ways so that we will be unable to connect with the spiral Fifth World in 2012."
"On the light side everyone thinks they are the most important, that their own understandings, or their group's understandings, are the key. There's a diversity of cultures and opinions, so there is competition, diffusion, and no single focus."
As Mr. Barrios sees it, the dark side works to block fusion through denial and materialism. It also works to destroy those who are working with the light to get the Earth to a higher level. They like the energy of the old, declining Fourth World, the materialism. They do not want it to change.
They do not want fusion. They want to stay at this level, and are afraid of the next level.
The dark power of the declining Fourth World cannot be destroyed or overpowered. It's too strong and clear for that, and that is the wrong strategy. The dark can only be transformed when confronted with simplicity and open-heartedness. This is what leads to fusion, a key concept for the World of the Fifth Sun.
Mr. Barrios said the emerging era of the Fifth Sun will call attention to a much-overlooked element. Whereas the four traditional elements of earth, air, fire and water have dominated various epochs in the past, there will be a fifth element to reckon with in the time of the Fifth Sun: ether. The dictionary defines ether as the rarefied element of the Heavens. Ether is a medium. It permeates all space and transmits waves of energy in a wide range of frequencies, from cell phones to human auras. What is "ethereal" is related to the regions beyond earth: the heavens.
Ether the element of the Fifth Sun is celestial and lacking in material substance, but is no less real than wood, stone or flesh. "Within the context of ether there can be a fusion of the polarities," Mr. Barrios said. "No more darkness or light in the people, but an uplifted fusion. But right now the realm of darkness is not interested in this. They are organized to block it. They seek to unbalance the Earth and its environment so we will be unready for the alignment in 2012. We need to work together for peace, and balance with the other side. We need to take care of the Earth that feeds and shelters us. We need to put our entire mind and heart into pursuing unity and fusion now, to confront the other side and preserve life."
To be Ready for this Moment in History Mr. Barrios told his audiences in Santa Fe that we are at a critical moment of world history. "We are disturbed," he said. "We can't play anymore. Our planet can be renewed or ravaged. Now is the time to awaken and take action."
"Everyone is needed. You are not here for no reason. Everyone who is here now has an important purpose. This is a hard, but a special time. We have the opportunity for growth, but we must be ready for this moment in history."
Mr. Barrios offered a number of suggestions to help people walk in balance through the years ahead. "The prophesied changes are going to happen," he said "but our attitude and actions determine how harsh or mild they are."
We need to act, to make changes, and to elect people to represent us who understand and who will take political action to respect the earth.
Meditation and spiritual practice are good, but also action. It's very important to be clear about who you are, and also about your relation to the Earth.
Develop yourself according to your own tradition and the call of your heart. But remember to respect differences, and strive for unity. Eat wisely. A lot of food is corrupt in either subtle or gross ways. Pay attention to what you are taking into your body. Learn to preserve food, and to conserve energy. Learn some good breathing techniques, so you have mastery of your breath.
Be clear. Follow a tradition with great roots. It is not important what tradition, your heart will tell you, but it must have great roots. We live in a world of energy. An important task at this time is to learn to sense or see the energy of everyone and everything: people, plants, animals. This becomes increasingly important as we draw close to the World of the Fifth Sun, for it is associated with the element ether - the realm where energy lives and weaves.
Go to the sacred places of the earth to pray for peace, and have respect for the Earth which gives us our food, clothing, and shelter. We need to reactivate the energy of these sacred places. That is our work.
According to Mr. Barrios' reading of the Mayan calendar, if war happens in November 2002 or after, then it's bad, but not catastrophic. But if it happens between April and November 2003, it will be catastrophic. Really bad. It could eventually result in the death of two-thirds of humanity. "So stay active," he said. "If we are active, we can transform the planet. The elders watch to see what happens."
Many Mayan elders and knowledge keepers may be eliminated in the next few years. For the first half of the current Katun (20-year period) the dark side has a lot of power. But that will pass 3 to 4 years from now. The tide can turn. Amazing things are going to happen.
One simple but effective prayer technique is to light a white or baby-blue colored candle. Think a moment in peace. Speak your intention to the flame and send the light of it on to the leaders who have the power to make war or peace.
We Have Work to Do
According to Mr. Barrios this is a crucially important moment for humanity, and for earth. Each person is important. If you have incarnated into this era, you have spiritual work to do balancing the planet. He said the elders have opened the doors so that other races can come to the Mayan world to receive the tradition. The Maya have long appreciated and respected that there are other colors, other races, and other spiritual systems. "They know," he said, "that the destiny of the Mayan world is related to the destiny of the whole world."
"The greatest wisdom is in simplicity," Mr. Barrios advised before leaving Santa Fe. "Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way."
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Thank you TS for for the insights and hard work you've put into this. You've nudged us into seeking answers and finding the truth. It is now up to us to let our hearts guide us. Together we WILL change the world for the better.
And thank you Mehere for your post.
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Message to God
Dear God: I have 4 grandchildren. A new grand feeling and emotion still grows inside me, somewhere, even when I think about them. They are 7,5,4 and 2 years old. When I look into their eyes it feels as if I go inside their souls. I feel their innocence, their curiosity, their pure love still being alive. Their eyes do something to my inner self as if something is blooming within me. Non verbally something deep inside me gives pure love to those young eyes, I have no other words to describe that.
It is such a miracle dear God and I thank you so much for that. These grandchildren, lent by you to me for the time given to them or me, are suppose to be the 'apple of Your eye'. When you take this Earth away from us I can understand we have deserved that. But what about the children and for that matter all of our children? Yes, yes I know, I am one of your children too and so are all of us.
Dear God, if you are inside all of us I want to make a plea:
"Leave this Earth to all of your children, the ones with that blooming love still inside them AND TAKE ME. Let me burn, let me drown, roll me over and do it again, make me an example to all of mankind so they will change. My precious life as an offer to you should be enough for You. You are God, you understand exactly what I feel and mean.
For who do I pray to when this world will be destroyed and I see the anguish in all the apples of you eye? Will you be there then?
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There should be millions of people here supporting this site. And whether or not you believe Michael is God, or the Revelations in the Bible are true, it is for certain that something is VERY wrong with this world. There were millions in the streets for Peace ahead of the Iraq war and it still happened. The people are spending billions to 'save the banks' that put the people into foreclosure. Torture is accepted, our prisons are full to overflowing......I could go on. The bottom line is if MJ is willing to risk EVERYthing to save the planet, I'm there for him, whoever he is. We need all the help we can get. A megastar with billions of devoted fans? How lucky can we get?
This is so true.
The message needs to be spread to those fans.
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The end of the mayan calender is refering that the world (not the planet) as we know it stops to exist. It means that the sytems (money based) is collapsing. That people that care only of money will get into truble, they might get into Life crises, lose their money, get sick ... .
an new sytem will become more important or rule the world. L.O.V.E. will be a big part , unity, we are all one will be a another, god´s message in religios or spritual way will become essential, will be understood by more and more peolple......
and here comes MJ, with his hoax
he weakens the NWO, we all togheter could eliminate the NWO... and the world as we know stops to exist!....
I can´t say it any claerer (english is a foraign language for me) But be open minded and try to understand
....MJ with his Army of LOVE (us)!! will be able to change the sytem and that is our part in 2012!!!!!
L.O.V.E.
Yes. I've always thought it's possible that, perhaps in 2012, a new consciousness may sweep the planet, instead of the usual doomsday scenario that is talked about.
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Wow just read all 9 parts... That was alot of work that went into that so i respect S.T.U.D.Y for all the hard work...
Regardless of what everybody thinks the "Message" for the bigger picture is clear.. We all need to get off our butts and do something to change the world..
PS Michael you can come back now
TOTALLY AGREE!
If you couldn't find the connection with the hoax and if you are still not sure if Michael is alive or not, I'm sorry but you got NOTHING from what you read. I suggest you to read all 9 posts once more, carefully! THANK YOU SO MUCH TS! :)
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@ S.T.U.D.Y First and foremost my friend if you would have done your research correctly like I have, because I also happen to speak Latin American (Spanish).
You will find that the Mayan Calender does not end at all!!!!!
The Mayan calender continues and it never ends at all, because they believed in the continual re birth of the Universe and our planet system.
If the end of the world will come it will be a devastation created by mankind and nothing more.
And sorry to say but "America" so far has been the creator of all devastation's created around the world.
Somehow to me it resembles the "Bubonic Plague" what ever it touches turns to roting flesh covered with stench.
This is my view on what the "Noe American Governments" have stood for,Up till the "Drunker ed Redneck Lying SOB" finished his reign in power.
But the question that is looming in my mind is, will the new one practice the same and follow the same path? or will he have the courage and the audacity to put his foot down and do what's in his heart for his people.
However my friend, my question still stands "What does this have to do with MJ" ?
We all thought that you were going to provide some new info or proof that MJ is still alive????? And when I say we I'd like to think that I represent the rest on here if not I apologise friends.
My friend I know for a fact that MJ has passed on to the after life and may God rest his soul. And this is coming from a fan of 40 years, but a fan of good deeds first and foremost and music second.
I acknowledge the fact that it took you a long time and effort to compose all of your writings and I give you credit for that, and the fact that this is how you perceive things, but it does not necessarily mean that that's how things are !
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My friend I know for a fact that MJ has passed on to the after life and may God rest his soul. And this is coming from a fan of 40 years, but a fan of good deeds first and foremost and music second.
I acknowledge the fact that it took you a long time and effort to compose all of your writings and I give you credit for that, and the fact that this is how you perceive things, but it does not necessarily mean that that's how things are !
i am very sorry if i offend you. you said you know for a fact that MJ has died...but this is a hoax forum, for us that believe Michael is alive. yes, we sometimes look at the possibility that maybe he has passed away. but you said for a fact...meaning you are not looking at the possibility of him being alive. so why are you on this forum? i truly hope i do not offend you or anyone. i am just curious.
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@ qotxciitylove No offense taken! On the contrary it is you who don't understand the Hoax and not I!
The hoax is just a hoax and that is the truth, but not as you all think or wanted to be.
So in actual fact the hoax is that for all of us to believe that he has faked his death that is the actual hoax.
I was a believer just like you all are, but 6 months down the track I realised that I was railroaded to believe the hoax.
All the coincidences that we have found well that's all they are just that and nothing more unfortunately.
There's nothing in this world I would not give for someone to prove me wrong!
Don't get me wrong I love MJ from the deepest of my heart and soul.
Thank you for reading
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@ qotxciitylove No offense taken! On the contrary it is you who don't understand the Hoax and not I!
The hoax is just a hoax and that is the truth, but not as you all think or wanted to be.
So in actual fact the hoax is that for all of us to believe that he has faked his death that is the actual hoax.
I was a believer just like you all are, but 6 months down the track I realised that I was railroaded to believe the hoax.
All the coincidences that we have found well that's all they are just that and nothing more unfortunately.
There's nothing in this world I would not give for someone to prove me wrong!
Don't get me wrong I love MJ from the deepest of my heart and soul.
Thank you for reading
I believe in my heart that he faked his death. I do not think that the hoax was to believe he faked his death if he died. I doubt that clues were given to misled us, especially knowing it would cause all of us hurt.
but you still did not answer my question, on what is your purpose on a death hoax forum?
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@qotxciitylove Sorry!!!!! I thought that you understood what my purpose was, maybe I wasn't clear enough.
I didn't know there were restrictions on this panel and that only MJ Alive hoax believers had the right to be here, and phrase an opinion?
I thought this panel represented freedom of speech and free thinking amongst other thinks! maybe I was wrong......
How ever to answer you question........... Yes a 1% of me still toys with the idea that for some unknown strange reason, this could be true :!:
But our dear friend S.T.U.D.Y still hasn't given us the answer we require of him :?:
Could it be because he doesn't know him self :?:
Thank you for reading
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not all of us agree with the whole situation of TIAI. but it does not mean there are not other clues that depict Michael's existence. even those who believe in TIAI are not completely putting their investigation to rest just because of S.T.U.D.Y.
you are right. you have every right to be here. but the website is called MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH HOAX INVESTIGATORS. it does not say MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH INVESTIGATORS. you are CERTAIN he died. but why would you even be here where ALL of us believe he's alive?
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@ qotxciitylove No offense taken! On the contrary it is you who don't understand the Hoax and not I!
The hoax is just a hoax and that is the truth, but not as you all think or wanted to be.
So in actual fact the hoax is that for all of us to believe that he has faked his death that is the actual hoax.
I was a believer just like you all are, but 6 months down the track I realised that I was railroaded to believe the hoax.
Dear 21bella1259,
I'm just curious, what would make you think people could be railroaded to believe MJ's death was a hoax when in fact it wasn't. I must say this thought had crossed my mind several times for various reasons, so i'd like to hear other people's p.o.v.
thanks!
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@Tinker_bell Do you know when the original hoax started about MJ being dead :?:
Well if non of you remember and that goes for the US residents if I remember correctly it was 29th March 2009 via a Radio Station.
And there is even a video clip on You Tube of the incident, where a News channel was asked why they never reported the incident and the reply was "Simply because it never happened".
I will find the clip and post it so you could see I'm telling you the truth, as I always want to have proof to back me up.
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@Tinker_bell It will not let me upload a video so I send you this. The prank was anounced from a radio station called the "97.7 WILD".
The TV news reporter was "Antoinet Antonio fom KOB" A You are not allowed to view links.
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@Tinker_bell Do you know when the original hoax started about MJ being dead :?:
Well if non of you remember and that goes for the US residents if I remember correctly it was 29th March 2009 via a Radio Station.
And there is even a video clip on You Tube of the incident, where a News channel was asked why they never reported the incident and the reply was "Simply because it never happened".
I will find the clip and post it so you could see I'm telling you the truth, as I always want to have proof to back me up.
I know what you're talking about, it was in fact in December 2008 and there's a thread somewhere on the forum on the 'December hoax'. But actually it has become somewhat common to pronounce celebrities dead when they're not via internet mainly. There has been a lot of discussion on this subject too among the members. Such 'hoaxes' don't last long, usually a day or so untill official disclaimer is made.
But if this particular hoax is fake, there must be much more than just a radio station willing to play a prank on people. Similarly, i don't think the coroner van video was solely a tv prank, too much effort to put in a practcal joke.
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I don't know if it has been mentionned but you must know that the Free-masons, Illuminatis...etc. = Devil worshippers' project is to welcome the Anti-Christ on earth. This is what they are fighting for from long time ago. Their first real estate power was first established, as far as I know, with Pharaon in Egypt then it has been transferred to the United Kingdom (Royal Family) then to the USA (Governement, secret societies) to its (soon) final place that is to say Israël (Sionists). The Vatican is also involved.
(I advise you to look for the architectures used by these powers in their buildings, they have a meaning and a goal. Pyramids are the favorite ones.)
The US Gov is spreading his army all around this country (Israël) to "secure" it. That's also why the US Gov gives so much money to the army of this country, that's why this country has the nuclear bomb. They expect a war. They want a war Jews-Christians against Muslims, their third world war, they want to divide us. You must think "no, it's not possible anymore, not today", but I remember you that it has been possible twice in the past because people were not united and it's still the same today. So a third world war is clearly possible if no change is made in people's mind.
Their goal is to destroy Faith in God. They want to establish a new religion, their religion, their New World Order. All extremists will be used to help them fulfill their project to build the throne of the anti-christ in Jerusalem. (example 09/11).
The climate change problem is the wrong problem. The real problem is pollution. Man cannot do anything against earthquakes or hurricanes. But we can do something to protect animals and forests, to use water properly...etc. This environment question is to divert our attention and a means for them to make more money with new taxes and to establish a little more their world gov. If the powerful of this world really wanted to make this world a better place their would be no hunger anymore. On the contrary it increased and the poor is still getting poorer and the rich is getting richer. They lead us the wrong way. They really don't care about us.
Then "We all must unite to turn darkness to light" and stop being glued on our prejudices regarding other people from other countries. We must say stop to racism. We all have been created by the same Unique God and we must be united in its Name. We all are from Adam and Eve. All believers should think the same. God has always sent the same message but man has destroyed it and has twisted the truth everytime, in all religions, in order to divide mankind into sects, in order to discredit God's message and reduce the number of believers. They have succeeded and that's why this world is like it is. We have not followed God's recommendations. We're in the darkness.
But it's not too late and God is Merciful. We have to make a choice right now.
It makes me sad when some people here think that things are getting too religious. Does this mean that their faith is weak or not existing ? I want to tell them to look much deeper into it. To believe in God is very important to save our souls.
Thank you.
p.s.: To get more information on who is ruling this world and what is their aim I suggest you this series of videos explaining some interesting facts. Go to wakeupproject.com
God Bless You
I love MJ
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I don't see how Michael Jackson is related too the end of the world.
I'll admit, you did your study and you know your stuff.
Your research phenomenal and I have always loved your posts in the past.
BUT
The end of the world? How do you get the end of the world
from a death hoax by a man who is only human. Yes, I read everything you
wrote. You almost had me. Your research gives me hope for the
hoax, but the end of the world...not so much.
You are only human (just like Michael Jackson) and no one can predict the end of the world.
Yes I said it. Michael Jackson is only human. That's it. He is not God or Jesus Crist. Human.
I love Michael (from what I have seen on the TV and heard in his songs), but in noway
do I believe he is anything more than human.
he says it himself in "Will you be there"
"and they told me, a man should be faithful
and walk when not able
but I'm only human"
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MJ is not God, most ppl says he is a God-like for the things that he have done for world peace, for the children, for the health of the world, etc... please, don't make a mistake believen that we cannot make the difference between a God and a person who likes to do the best for all. He is related with the supossed end of the world because he has stated that he believed in the maya's prediction of the 2012, the change of the world tahta lot of ppl had interpreted as the end of the world... even if it is true or not (I believe is just a big and irreversible change, but not the physical end), he believed in that and that is way we all relate him as much with the end of te world as we do with the salvation of the world.
Lot of kisses and sorry for my english
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@ Tinke_bell I have found the clip but it will not allow me to load.
So I'll give you the details.The hoax started on a Radio station called 97.7 The "WILD" News reporter Antoinette Antonio from KOB, you can also go to You Tube and type "Michael Jackson hoax death" and you can see it there, or if you can't find it send me your email and I will send to you.
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Quite a lot of talk there, Im not sure how much of it is true or just nonsense. Ive followed what the NWO have been doing for ten years or more. People do need to wake up. If MJ comes back from the dead to start a global revolution I for one will be gobsmacked!!!
Checkout http://www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/48/ (http://www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/48/) for up to date info on what the NWO are doing, headlines start about half way down the page.
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Bill Knew this message over 15 years ago [youtube:3swv22im]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0[/youtube:3swv22im]
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So I have read and re-read all 9 parts and while I think that all of this is valid and valuable info, I am going to continue watching the videos that I have been watching on youtube. I would suggest that anyone that hasn't done so already, take a look at MJfan's and Pianogames' videos. They have a ton of valid info and good theories. Btw, does anyone know what happened to Maura???
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I finally got a chance to read all parts. This is some interesting stuff. :shock: Thanks for sharing this with us, TS
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wow...
I have finally finished to read all the 9 parts !
and do you know what ? as I'm still a lil bit confused, I think I am going to read it again... :?
there are so many subjects that I think I didn't get everything...
I'm still wondering if the end of the world that we are talking about is really/litterally the end of the world (of the earth) or if it is because of the NWO, I mean if the NWO will turn our world more bad and more mad than it already is.
By the way, I join the army of L.O.V.E. and I will fight by Michael's side to heal and save the world. I really hope we will be enough soldiers for him to come back and fight for human rights !
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I don't think it will be the end of the world as we commonly understand it. It's rather the end of THIS world, of the world as we know it today. There will be a big change in 2012. Either the establishment of the NWO :shock: or a big climate change (poles reversal) :cry: . Or both :o
What I don't really understand is how they have been able to expect this change in 2012 ? What clues are showing us that 2012 is going to be important (apart from the maya calendar :roll: ) ?
May God's peace be upon you.
God bless MJ
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Does it really matter what kind of scenerio will end up with earth:
-vulcano
-temperature changes
-or a rocket that would be sent to change the course of a cometh-a failure action could cause earth more damage than not sending any rocket...
the question is WHAT MJ KNOWS from his real and powerful friends AND WHAT HE IS TRYING TO TELL US...
is he trying to save us, is he building (from money from his 2009 world tour?) arks for us - ORDYNARY PEOPLE, BELIeVERS, to save us if goverment will not?
MJ MUST UNDERSTAND THAT WORLD GOVERMENT IS NEEDED AND HE MUST BE THE LEADER OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR ORDYNARY PEOPLE, for believers, WHO SEARCH THE TRUTH ON THEIR OWN NOT WAITING FOR GOVERMENT OR MEDIA'S TRASH,
we can't save those who don't even try to find truth or information from internet,books, we can't educate all like in school!!!
anyway, MJ MUST BE PREPARED (for those who don't belive he is ok compare DAVE DAVE on LARRY KING and Dave Dave real pictuees.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) to have plan for those WHO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON BEHIND THE CURTAIN...it is all in internet, and if they don't use their brains...nothing will help them....
SO MJ!!!!ARE U READY FOR THE FIGHT NOT ONLY FOR YOUR FAMILY BUT FOR US???? u have now the army of love.....still growing.....give us orders what to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save those who want to survive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ignorants and not believers must relay on their own................
Waiting for your come back MJ
Your dearest Iwona
(Poland is waiting for Your orders SIR)
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Bill Knew this message over 15 years ago [youtube:rvmzr1du]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0[/youtube:rvmzr1du]
oh yeah, I KNOW WHAT HE is TALKING ABOUT.....DO U???? IF NOT TRY TO EXPLORE INTERNET, IT IS ALL THERE......
thank u my friend for this film....all of us, who knows what behind curtain is going on, understand.....
Iwona from Poland
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thank for the frenchies lol , this is difficult to understand, but i have understand thank you what god bless you , i love you so much, a very labyrinth thank you TIAI , it's very good and i know now, kiss to normandy france
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je n arrive pas aller sur les twitter sur la partie 8 , c est malin ça, lool, sinon mon travail avance , je commence la partie 8 mais le probleme c est qu il y a tellement de fichiers sous fichiers et sous fichiers que j ai du mal a m y retrouver et a l heure francaise ou je me couche entre 7 h a 9 h du matin je suis fatiguée moi, auriez vous une astuce pour que je puisse m inscrire aux twitters, il me refuse mon email pffffffff pas drole lol TIAI vous etiez obligé de faire un tel labyrinth même si je comprends, mon amie rame , lol mon blog mimie7659. skyrock si vous voulez y faire un tour , y a plus de 800 fans de micky mais c est toutes des ado qui me disent oh qu il est beau michael mais ne comprennent rien aux illuminatis ou a l amour ou l être humain que represente micky que dois je faire j ai plus d idee a force bisous de normandie france
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this is great! none of this was really new to me, concerning the NWO, the ark, then end of the world, etc. i've been a christian all my life and have studied all of the above...the only thing is that i personally don't believe the world will end in 2012. like the OP said from the bible, no one knows the day or the hour...even the mayans...but i am sure they were on to something. and the fact that one reason MJ is doing this is to enlighten us in all these things is just AMAZING!
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I'm brand new here, a few weeks ago I wasn't even entertaining this idea, and was trying to make sense of all the nonsense that's been going on since day one. I started opening myself up to the possibility recently because it seemed like nonsense on top of nonsense, and it's been 7+ months and nothing seems to be being done about Murray. I started looking at videos, etc., and the only thing that does make sense of everything is that he faked his death. Suddenly what didn't make sense before makes perfect sense now.
I just got through reading all the 9 parts, and wow...I came in sorta on the fence about this, hoping that he was still alive, but now I'm convinced that MJ faked his death and went into hiding in order to further expose the truth w/out getting killed in the process. The man is a genius...I knew that before, but not at this level. This is a really brilliant plan. Just praying for his safety through it all...because he was a target before when he was subtly exposing the truth, this will make him an even bigger one now. He's gotta stay safe and come back (if he does) when the time is right.
As far as this particular part being focused on Bible prophecy...I don't think anyone is saying that he IS God (I think I read a comment to that effect earlier). Personally, I think he's a messenger of God (or a prophet...however you want to word it). I think the Bible references were put there not to push Christianity, but because they are familiar, and many religions have similar prophesies concerning the end of the world.
For those who are not religious...I think the message is the same, and I don't think you were meant to be excluded. For all of us the message is clear...MJ faked his death and went into hiding in order to further expose the truth about media/government NWO stuff, and not get killed in the process. He left these messages to expose that he's alive, and also to expose the truth about media/government. Eventually we will all have our TII DVDs, w/more clues maybe to be revealed later...We'll all have the DVDs w/the messages (some obvious, some not so/subliminal)...eventually people who haven't already will pick them up. Brilliant plan to awaken us, and get us out of the grips of the NWO, think for ourselves (real freedom), and act to change the world and make it a better place.
HTH
L.O.V.E.
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From TS
This Is REALLY It!
The end of the world is near: whether you want it or not, whether you believe it or not, whether you’re ready or not—the end of the world is coming, soon and very soon! This is big; this is huge; this is colossal; in fact, it really doesn’t get any bigger than this!!! And once again, from the London press conference {http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1znYaU0oeo&feature=PlayList&p=4337629E8ED55A02&index=4}: “This is it, I mean this is REALLY it; this is the final — this is the FINAL curtain call.”
This is SCARY.
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From TS
This Is REALLY It!
The end of the world is near: whether you want it or not, whether you believe it or not, whether you’re ready or not—the end of the world is coming, soon and very soon! This is big; this is huge; this is colossal; in fact, it really doesn’t get any bigger than this!!! And once again, from the London press conference {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1znYaU0oeo&feature=PlayList&p=4337629E8ED55A02&index=4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1znYaU0oeo&feature=PlayList&p=4337629E8ED55A02&index=4)}: “This is it, I mean this is REALLY it; this is the final — this is the FINAL curtain call.”
This is SCARY.
Gina you forgot to put the rest,lol lolol/ !!! The END of THE WORLD is near ,but is not BAD NEWS at all :) !!!! It means that will be THE END OF FEAR at 12.21.2012 11:11 8) !!!
Updates & Posts by TS / TIAI Update #4c: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof Hoax, Not Murder
« on: March 13, 2010, 04:21:14 AM »
4-25. The End of the World Is Good News!
So this whole hoax was kicked off with a 911 call, which represents the NWO (911 terrorism); and it was made at 12:21, which represents the end of the world (12-21-2012). These are two of the main reasons for the hoax. And yes, these are the two main subjects covered in TIAI Revealed {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts)}.
But many are having difficulty accepting these two reasons, especially the end of the world. However, whether or not you believe the end is near, you can’t change the fact that it is part of the hoax and MJ’s message—which can be seen very clearly from the call at 12:21, as well as “Jackson” and the other parallels in the 2012 movie {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aznBAuj4Vw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aznBAuj4Vw)}.
If we understood that the end of the world is a good thing, it might be easier to accept. “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away [end of the world] … And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain …” (Revelation 21:1,4).
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in the new earth; MJ is a former Witness, and still holds some of the same beliefs {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391&p=52818#p52818 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391&p=52818#p52818)}. Notice what Rebbie said about the new earth: “I know this is something you [MJ] not only cherished but talked about with others. Then the world will be a paradise, a place free from corruption and poverty.” {page 2, http://new.etonline.com/documents/mjackson_funeral_program_et_090409.pdf (http://new.etonline.com/documents/mjackson_funeral_program_et_090409.pdf)}
The end of the world is only bad news, for those who are not ready 8-) . If you don’t want the end of the world to come, maybe you need to take a look at the man in the mirror. God has promised to His faithful: “A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.” (Psalm 91:7).
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You are so right on Applehead! And thanks for digging this important topic up, Gina!
Context, interpretation, comparative understanding! Whether studying the Bible or TS, it's the same importance.
I thought it was interesting that in the Coca Cola ad with the gangster switching to do good things when he drinks Coke, there are 2 people in the street wearing signs that say, "The end is near." The guy whizzes by switching their signs around where they say, "Give a little love." And that is what the end of the world is about. It's going to be run differently--different leadership, which will change EVERYTHING! The end of tyranny, racism, bigotry, etc. A new world, and new age!
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..I will read once more the former post of TS 8)
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nice post Ms. TS
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You guys are so optimistic but I'm afraid of the end of the world. Probably the ancient fear of the unknown errrr.
I know what you're saying but before the new earth there will be terrible things that have to happen first.
What is going to happen to our children when the end comes?
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You are so right on Applehead! And thanks for digging this important topic up, Gina!
Context, interpretation, comparative understanding! Whether studying the Bible or TS, it's the same importance.
I thought it was interesting that in the Coca Cola ad with the gangster switching to do good things when he drinks Coke, there are 2 people in the street wearing signs that say, "The end is near." The guy whizzes by switching their signs around where they say, "Give a little love." And that is what the end of the world is about. It's going to be run differently--different leadership, which will change EVERYTHING! The end of tyranny, racism, bigotry, etc. A new world, and new age!
You are right Mjonmind that is so funny and nice to watch :) :lol: !!! When a saw all the police man,I remembered about all the POLICE man we saw during this hoax,lol lolol/ ,Michael is all SURROANDED dy them,like a president 8-) !!! And the piramid shape they do,together with the people in the street is intresting also geek/ !!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZVigh6KJng[/youtube]
BTW the song "Give a little love" is from Bugsy Malone movie,where are only CHILDREN :mrgreen: !!![/size]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwaqpZGKNfg&feature=related[/youtube]
Bugsy Malone is a 1976 British musical film, very loosely based on events in New York City in the Prohibition era, specifically the exploits of gangsters like Al Capone and Bugs Moran, as dramatized in cinema. Featuring only child actors , director Alan Parker lightened the subject matter considerably for the children's market; the film received a G rating.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/00/Bugsy_malone_movie_poster.jpg/390px-Bugsy_malone_movie_poster.jpg)
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Cute "pied" children, and beautiful song!