Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Michael Joe Jackson ~ Michael Joseph Jackson => Topic started by: Diana Jean on December 22, 2009, 05:40:52 PM
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The FBI files on Michael Jackson were released today.
I skimmed through them and was more than happy with what I found.
On the FBI website there was a short passage on top
of the page that said:
"Michael Joseph Jackson, a celebrity pop star, was born on August 29, 1958. He died unexpectedly on June 25, 2009 at the age of 50."
Of corse when I saw that, I got upset. I thought that ment his middle name was
Joseph, no question about it. But as I started reading the files that frown was turned
upside down. :)
Take a look at some screen shots I took of the files:
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b1.jpg)
Time too smile. ^ The FBI clearly states that his TRUE name is Michael Joe Jackson.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b3.jpg)
Here we have his drivers license app.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b4.jpg)
His drivers license.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b5.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b8.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b9.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b15.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b13.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b12.jpg)
There you have it. His middle name is clearly, as stated by the FBI, Joe.
Now, back too the thing written on the top of the page :
"Michael Joseph Jackson, a celebrity pop star, was born on August 29, 1958. He died unexpectedly on June 25, 2009 at the age of 50."
Michael Joseph is a stage name.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/DC-1.jpg)
Making the Death Certificate for Michael Joseph Jackson INVALID.
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Amen to that :!:
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So...
Michael Joseph Jackson = Entertainer
Michael Joe Jackson = The Person
This makes so much sence to me. Now I understand the difference, thank you so much for clearing this out for us. I really appreciate it. :mrgreen:
Making the Death Certificate for Michael Joseph Jackson INVALID.
Which means the King of Pop died, but not Michael Jackson. :mrgreen:
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b4.jpg)
He looks adorable here with his smile. This picture is authentic and so must his name be. Michael Joe Jackson.
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thats the big clue now fingers crossed tanks for spoting that
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I've always believed his middle name was JOE, so when I saw the DC I started believing there something wrong like with the funeral.
But what I dont get right now is that this kinda makes the fbi files legit. Like there truelly is a death investigation :?: This is the part that i dont get. Or are the files about something else, I haven't read them. Can someone explain please :P
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So...
Michael Joseph Jackson = Entertainer
Michael Joe Jackson = The Person
This makes so much sence to me. Now I understand the difference, thank you so much for clearing this out for us. I really appreciate it. :mrgreen:
Making the Death Certificate for Michael Joseph Jackson INVALID.
Which means the King of Pop died, but not Michael Jackson. :mrgreen:
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b4.jpg)
He looks adorable here with his smile. This picture is authentic and so must his name be. Michael Joe Jackson.
I agree. Michael JOE Jackson is alive/ Michael Joseph Jackson is dead. :? If Michael comes back, we probably won't be seeing him perform on stage, unless he does a farewell tour/shows/show. :)
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DIANA JEAN, thanks for the info. That's the best news really needed - clarity and legally in writing by a government agency.
Thanks again and definitely make my Christmas better knowing that part of the truth(among others being speculated). :D ;) 8-)
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I've always believed his middle name was JOE, so when I saw the DC I started believing there something wrong like with the funeral.
But what I dont get right now is that this kinda makes the fbi files legit. Like there truelly is a death investigation :?: huh i dont get it right now. Or am I seeing this wrong?? Please say yes :P
They didnt release and files about the Death Investigation ;)
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They didnt release and files about the Death Investigation ;)
Hoax hoax hoax. Had they released any kind of papers that proved there was infact a murder investigation, I would give up the hoax theories and accept that he was dead. Now I am 300% more convinced than I was yesterday and every week I get more confident that this is a hoax, I thought I was confident 2 weeks ago but thats nothing compared to how certain I am today. ;) The feeling is undescribable. :D
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I now resemble the Cheshire Cat (although not quite literally). :D
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OK you know what? I do believe this is a verrrry crucial find. My question as someone stated above said what is the need for the FBI files? Why would this information be made public and online? Are the FBI somehow connected to the investigation.....but if MJ staged his death wouldl there even be an investigation? Because remember Marlone does wear an FBI hat right? More research I feel that there is more to this than we are receiving. But IDK. Sooo much has went on since June 25th.
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Maybe released to prove to hoax believers that the government and FBI uses the term Joe and not Joseph so the believers can compare the autopsy report and discover it is fake.
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Well isn't nice to finally know that he's DC is invalid...I mean,I thought so,but now,I know so... :D Thanks Diana Jean
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This is what I thought there are two people in a way Michael the entertainer and Michael the private person . This is very good news for all of us
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yes,what is the need for the FBI files?
Anyway, thanks so much for sharing this, if his real name is Joe, then the death certificate is invalid.
Mike is a genius!!! :mrgreen:
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Well isn't nice to finally know that he's DC is invalid...I mean,I thought so,but now,I know so... :D Thanks Diana Jean
I thought so too but now it's confirmed :D
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OK you know what? I do believe this is a verrrry crucial find. My question as someone stated above said what is the need for the FBI files? Why would this information be made public and online? Are the FBI somehow connected to the investigation.....but if MJ staged his death wouldl there even be an investigation? Because remember Marlone does wear an FBI hat right? More research I feel that there is more to this than we are receiving. But IDK. Sooo much has went on since June 25th.
I think that has too do with the Freedom Of Information Act.
But In my opinion I do think the FBI is involved. The files state a death thret in '92.
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this makes so much sense! now, Michael Joseph as an entertainer ( as a personality) might be gone (just for a while I hope;)) and Michael Joe lives on directing the biggest hoax of all time:D
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It DOESN'T make his DC invalid - IF he's dead.
If he was dead, it would still be valid, because everyone knows he's the respective person in the DC.
I asked a couple of lawyers about that.
Asked a row of questions - that was the last:
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/two-n ... 25272.html (http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/two-names--same-person--legally--125272.html)
(One lawyer was inspired and even started to write poetry - sweet :-D)
If he ISN'T dead, of course the DC is invalid. But it would also be invalid, if it stated Michael JOE Jackson.
No dead person, no valid DC.
I would just like to know, if the legal consequences would be different...
So, does that actually bring us any further?
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on the DC it should have listed all of his alias on it
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There's another topic which really will make your head spin.viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1990 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1990)
This is what's written in the FBI files, but in the children's BC, Michael has registered his name as JOSEPH, and I forgot the Marriage Certificate with LMP - JOSEPH as well
???
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So...
Michael Joseph Jackson = Entertainer
Michael Joe Jackson = The Person
This makes so much sence to me. Now I understand the difference, thank you so much for clearing this out for us. I really appreciate it. :mrgreen:
Making the Death Certificate for Michael Joseph Jackson INVALID.
Which means the King of Pop died, but not Michael Jackson. :mrgreen:
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b4.jpg)
He looks adorable here with his smile. This picture is authentic and so must his name be. Michael Joe Jackson.
I was going to write the same thing. He looks so cute in that picture awww :)
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I am just wondering, Michael has so many aliases (for whatever reasons) used in various documents, I wonder what part of any of the government agencies would hold such vital infos??
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WOW! Finally that is as good as cleared up, I'm so happy about this :mrgreen:
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Only half of the file were released, which means there is an on going investigation into his death or whatever lead up to his need to fake his death.
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It DOESN'T make his DC invalid - IF he's dead.
If he was dead, it would still be valid, because everyone knows he's the respective person in the DC.
I asked a couple of lawyers about that.
Asked a row of questions - that was the last:
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/two-n ... 25272.html (http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/two-names--same-person--legally--125272.html)
(One lawyer was inspired and even started to write poetry - sweet :-D)
If he ISN'T dead, of course the DC is invalid. But it would also be invalid, if it stated Michael JOE Jackson.
No dead person, no valid DC.
I would just like to know, if the legal consequences would be different...
So, does that actually bring us any further?
But the difference is Legal names have too be on documents such as
Drivers Licenes and Passports.
We know that there are court documents that say both Joe and Joseph
Death certificates have too be full legal names too.
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ok ok i need to point something out becuz i just realized something...if michael was trying to fake his death (which i think he is) why would he have sooo many people involved with the hoaxed in my theory, the less peopl who know about the " Great Plan" the less chance it gets leaked. you can't get the FBI involved in a hoax. they will not allow you to fake a death and they wont go along with it because its ILLEGAL we have to go from a different perspective because so far you keep saying lkl, tmz, family, fbi, media, friends, TII dancers, Kenny, blah blah are involved in the hoax...i dont see that happening for it to work??
we need to stop thinking that everyone in the worl are involved in this hoax because that can't be possible to work. in order to do the hoax you have to have as little people knowing as you can
and plus why would michael trust news media to go along with a hoax if they are the ones who put him in this horrible situation in the first place?? HELP MY MIND IS GOING CRAZY :?
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FBI documents - JOE
Marriage Contract (LMP) - JOSEPH
Death Certificate -JOSEPH
Children's Birth Certificate - JOSEPH
MJ Will - JOSEPH
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Thanks for posting this. I dont know, but don't you need to present a valid ID for marriage or for birth registration? I mean if MJ's drivers license had "Joe" in it, how come his marriage contract with LMP and the kids' birth certificates had "Joseph"? And to get an ID with a photo, don't you need to present a birth certificate or some legal document to prove who you are? :?
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The kids BCs were fakes, I suppose the marraige licence might be as well.
As far as the FBI is concerned, the person MJJ is Michael Joe Jackson and that's the highest authority so weigh in on the name issue so far.
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this is my problem too, it lookes like we didn't get to the end of this....
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Oh god, I was happy for a moment here and now i'm just so confused :?
Whats going on here :?:
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He made 2 different passports for 2 different names just in case..... in case like that? :) lol
idk guys he might have 2 citizenships. There is so many ways to mess up with documents.
Im originally from other country, not USA, but on my travel passport they spelled my name wrong, but they still let me in the USA and no one ever questioned that.
So what im trying to say is that one person might think that if Joe comes from Joseph it might be ok to put it in documents. And another person will think its NOT right, but will close their eyes on it, u know?
Im dealing with all that passport renewal thing right now, and u wont believe how carelessly those people work....
P.S. It would be nice to see the paper work that MICHAEL filled out himself when he applied for documents. If he wrote JOE, some person could think its wrong and changed it to Joseph without asking...... or something like that, u got the idea!
K.
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"A fake of a fake is not a fraud"
It is not illegal to fake your death unless you are doing it for monetary gain. Since Michael's life insurance policies have never been PAID OUT (they were cashed in which you can do this legally while you're still alive), there is no fraud there. If Michael is getting help from the FBI on this, then he is in trouble somehow (death threat, etc) or has a close friend in the FBI, which would bring to mind Marlon wearing the FBI hat.
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In the beginning, I felt really good that finally something came out from a gov't agency file JOE which makes it more believable/reliable and legal. The good feeling is because JOE is real and JOSEPH is not which makes the DC unreal - so no death, VERY GOOD.
BUTTTT, when you weigh it with the other documents, example the birth certificates of the children which bears JOSEPH - does that mean the certificates were fake and what is the reason for this. Same with the Marriage Certificate that bears JOSEPH - does that also mean something else.
OR MAYBE, for TOP LEVEL Documents like the FBI, it must be the real one - JOE , and for the other documents JOSEPH will do. :?: :?:
Michael, come back soon and explain this to us, okay?
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ok so call me stupid if you must because i am only 18...but i thought you can choose the middle name of your childrens when they are born. Like i have always thought that the middle didn't have to beYOUR personal middle name as well i just thought it was something the parents always thought...do you know what i am trying to say because its really hard to put into words what is going on in my head lets give ex: say my moms middle name was sharon but she has my middle name down as michelle??...is this making any sense to you?? :?:
man this is so confusing!!! :oops:
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So far as I know he changed his name twice. Joseph to Joe and then back Joe to Joseph or vice versa...hmmm... can´t remember and also do´t know how trustworthy the source is.
Edid: go to Twitter and read all her tweets. I think she´s not a troll.
http://twitter.com/ChildByAdoption
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"Joe" or "Joseph"???......... I think they are one in the same person here. Both names are in this document :cry: , both seem to be legitimately used and linked to Michael and accepted in his FBI files. If it's just one or the other, than I guess thats what the files would of stated. But it states both names so they must be talking about the same person??
Any thoughts?
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It DOESN'T make his DC invalid - IF he's dead.
If he was dead, it would still be valid, because everyone knows he's the respective person in the DC.
I asked a couple of lawyers about that.
Asked a row of questions - that was the last:
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/two-n ... 25272.html (http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/two-names--same-person--legally--125272.html)
(One lawyer was inspired and even started to write poetry - sweet :-D)
If he ISN'T dead, of course the DC is invalid. But it would also be invalid, if it stated Michael JOE Jackson.
No dead person, no valid DC.
I would just like to know, if the legal consequences would be different...
So, does that actually bring us any further?
But the difference is Legal names have too be on documents such as
Drivers Licenes and Passports.
We know that there are court documents that say both Joe and Joseph
Death certificates have too be full legal names too.
Yes. they do, but for us it doesn't make a real difference.
If he's dead, the DC is still valid.
If he isn't dead, every DC for him is invalid.
Do you see my point?
If Michael came back from the dead, automatically all documents that relate to his death would be invalid!
The difference might be, that he could proove, that he's Michael JOE Jackson, as was stated in most previous official documents, and indeed the REAL Michael Jackson. Nobody would be able to say, the one who claims to be the 'dead' and 'ressurrected' Michael is an imposter.
Maybe that's the reason!?
Or he used this false name to start the rumour (as another member suggested and posted a video about Elvis being alive, false name on the gravestone etc.)
I posted another question on avvo.com about faking one's death.
So far I got only one answer, which suggests I should get a life :lol:
But I was happy to see this answer got three thumbs down :P
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/what- ... 79812.html (http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/what-are-the-consequences-of-faking-one-s-death--179812.html)
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I agree that Joe vs. Joseph is solved. It's now clear, IMO, that Joe is the legal middle name, and Joseph the "public" name.
* About documents which showed "Joseph" instead of "Joe" (for example, children's birth certificates) - maybe we haven't seen the real ones, but something made up by the newspapers - I won't disregard this hypothesis, 'cause it's the only explanation I can find at the moment.
* About the DC, I've found some information, hope it can help! ;)
If we check the link below (US standard certificate of death), we see it written in the first line: "1. DECEDENT’S LEGAL NAME (Include AKA’s if any) (First, Middle, Last)":
http://tinyurl.com/y9oljhn
The DC that we saw didn't show his legal name.
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This is great news :!: , all the official documentation is incorrect. May be thats why they were released to prove to believers that he is alive. Maybe thats what the big news of the 21st Dec is all about??? Idk :P
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FBI documents - JOE
Marriage Contract (LMP) - JOSEPH
Death Certificate -JOSEPH
Children's Birth Certificate - JOSEPH
MJ Will - JOSEPH
?????
Driver's license - JOE
Passports - JOE
Motown - JOE
Katherine said JOE
Maybe I dreamt about it, but I thought that the very first DC said JOE too????
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ok so call me stupid if you must because i am only 18...but i thought you can choose the middle name of your childrens when they are born. Like i have always thought that the middle didn't have to beYOUR personal middle name as well i just thought it was something the parents always thought...do you know what i am trying to say because its really hard to put into words what is going on in my head lets give ex: say my moms middle name was sharon but she has my middle name down as michelle??...is this making any sense to you?? :?:
man this is so confusing!!! :oops:
Yes, in America you can name your child whatever you want. Traditionally many people use the father's last name as the child's last name. Many people pick any name they want for the child's first name and middle name, whether just a name they like, honoring a relative, etc. In this case Joseph and Katherine must have picked Joe or Joseph after Michael's father, but it's not a requirement to pick any name in particular. Michael happened to choose to put his own name in the names of his own kids, but that's also personal choice. I hope this answers your question?
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First thing I noticed ;) It's Michael Joe . The bliss of it!!! :D
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About the Childrens BC's I dont think that matters much. Remember the Anna Nicole Smith case, when she put the wrong mans name as the father? Really, it doesnt mean much.
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About the Childrens BC's I dont think that matters much. Remember the Anna Nicole Smith case, when she put the wrong mans name as the father? Really, it doesnt mean much.
We all think that his DC(s) is/are fake, so why can't the BC's from his children be fake too?
I just can't imagine that Michael would show this information to the world.
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I wish i could remember where i heard it, but in the first couple of weeks of his "Death" i remember hearing someone say he would most likely come back under a new name.
The way i understood it, because they said he would release new songs, but you wouldn't see HIM on stage, Milli Vanilli springs to mind, he'll be working behind the scenes.
I agree that he has killed off his Stage Name, We need to keep an eye/ear open for any new acts that come out, we'll know if the voice is actually Mike's!!
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I posted this on the other thread:
Do we have a copy of the MJ/Debbie Rowe marriage document?
What about divorce paperwork for either marriage?
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"Joe" or "Joseph"???......... I think they are one in the same person here. Both names are in this document :cry: , both seem to be legitimately used and linked to Michael and accepted in his FBI files. If it's just one or the other, than I guess thats what the files would of stated. But it states both names so they must be talking about the same person??
Any thoughts?
Your thought is my thought. ;) Harvey actually confirmed this on TMZ Live today.
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Hmmm...I'm thinking MJ might be working with the FBI??! I've always had this "strange" feeling...LOL! :lol: Anyways, I'm sooooooooooooooooo ecstatic to know about Michael Joe! This is like a great Christmas present! Merry Christmas, Michael Joe! :D
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"Joe" or "Joseph"???......... I think they are one in the same person here. Both names are in this document :cry: , both seem to be legitimately used and linked to Michael and accepted in his FBI files. If it's just one or the other, than I guess thats what the files would of stated. But it states both names so they must be talking about the same person??
Any thoughts?
Your thought is my thought. ;) Harvey actually confirmed this on TMZ Live today.
Does that make it good or bad news for us then?
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I just bought this 'unauthorized' bio dvd from Walmart about his life, and right off the bat they say "Michael Joseph Jackson"
So is this considered positive or negative?
I'm watching the end of the dvd right now and they're talking about the memorial at the Staples Center, and they show this girls poster and they edited it so the camera just caught
"Michael Jackson Lives" when for a split second you see underneath it says "4ever", but they cut it out...
I mean it could just be coincidence, but it caught my attention nevertheless.
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I just bought this 'unauthorized' bio dvd from Walmart about his life, and right off the bat they say "Michael Joseph Jackson"
So is this considered positive or negative?
I'm watching the end of the dvd right now and they're talking about the memorial at the Staples Center, and they show this girls poster and they edited it so the camera just caught
"Michael Jackson Lives" when for a split second you see underneath it says "4ever", but they cut it out...
I mean it could just be coincidence, but it caught my attention nevertheless.
Hmm...I have the same dvd. About to watch it actually. ^_^
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I just bought this 'unauthorized' bio dvd from Walmart about his life, and right off the bat they say "Michael Joseph Jackson"
So is this considered positive or negative?
I'm watching the end of the dvd right now and they're talking about the memorial at the Staples Center, and they show this girls poster and they edited it so the camera just caught
"Michael Jackson Lives" when for a split second you see underneath it says "4ever", but they cut it out...
I mean it could just be coincidence, but it caught my attention nevertheless.
It Says That It Is Unauthorized...So Doesn't That Mean It Hasn't Been Verified By Like Someone Or Something...I Don't Think There Would Be Any Intentional Clues In That Bio...We Are All Just Like On Edge
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I just bought this 'unauthorized' bio dvd from Walmart about his life, and right off the bat they say "Michael Joseph Jackson"
So is this considered positive or negative?
I'm watching the end of the dvd right now and they're talking about the memorial at the Staples Center, and they show this girls poster and they edited it so the camera just caught
"Michael Jackson Lives" when for a split second you see underneath it says "4ever", but they cut it out...
I mean it could just be coincidence, but it caught my attention nevertheless.
It Says That It Is Unauthorized...So Doesn't That Mean It Hasn't Been Verified By Like Someone Or Something...I Don't Think There Would Be Any Intentional Clues In That Bio...We Are All Just Like On Edge
You're right actually. It's unauthorized by Michael. Meaning it's not from his company, he didn't put it out there etc. ^_^ That's one of the main reasons I was like :? when I got it for Christmas. Because I've come across a lot of unauthorized MJ stuff and some of it is trash. Hope this is good. :D I still haven't watched it. Fell asleep last night. :ugeek: But I will soon. <3
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So...
Michael Joseph Jackson = Entertainer
Michael Joe Jackson = The Person
This makes so much sence to me. Now I understand the difference, thank you so much for clearing this out for us. I really appreciate it. :mrgreen:
Making the Death Certificate for Michael Joseph Jackson INVALID.
Which means the King of Pop died, but not Michael Jackson. :mrgreen:
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b4.jpg)
He looks adorable here with his smile. This picture is authentic and so must his name be. Michael Joe Jackson.
I love your statements above!! The K.O.P has died by MJ still with us!!! :P :P :P
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Making the Death Certificate for Michael Joseph Jackson INVALID.
err the death certificate says invalid...but so does brittany murphys...I think it says invalid because its just a copy or something
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Ok guys, but watch that : http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/gallery/michael-jackson-jr-birth-certificate/ this is michael jackson Jr's birth certificate and here http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/gallery/paris-jackson-birth-certificate/ is Paris' birth certificate. Look at the father name, it's michael JOSEPH Jackson... I don't understand anymore. Can somebody explain it ?
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The FBI files on Michael Jackson were released today.
I skimmed through them and was more than happy with what I found.
On the FBI website there was a short passage on top
of the page that said:
"Michael Joseph Jackson, a celebrity pop star, was born on August 29, 1958. He died unexpectedly on June 25, 2009 at the age of 50."
Of corse when I saw that, I got upset. I thought that ment his middle name was
Joseph, no question about it. But as I started reading the files that frown was turned
upside down. :)
Take a look at some screen shots I took of the files:
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b1.jpg)
Time too smile. ^ The FBI clearly states that his TRUE name is Michael Joe Jackson.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b3.jpg)
Here we have his drivers license app.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b4.jpg)
His drivers license.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b5.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b8.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b9.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b15.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b13.jpg)
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/b12.jpg)
There you have it. His middle name is clearly, as stated by the FBI, Joe.
Now, back too the thing written on the top of the page :
"Michael Joseph Jackson, a celebrity pop star, was born on August 29, 1958. He died unexpectedly on June 25, 2009 at the age of 50."
Michael Joseph is a stage name.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/brennaxoxo_2008/DC-1.jpg)
Making the Death Certificate for Michael Joseph Jackson INVALID.
Thanks Diana, i always believed that his real name is Michael JOE Jackson.. :)
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FOR THOSE WHO KEEP SAYING MICHAEL IS ALIVE BEAUSE HIS DC IS INVALID...ITS ONLY SAYING NOT A VALID DOCUMENT TO ESTABLISH IDENTITY... NOT SAYING THAT HE IS NOT DEAD...i just had to throw that out there lol thank you and peace...but he is still alive...i just saying that the not valid part is not really a clue so we need to move on and find other things