Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on August 21, 2011, 04:02:22 PM
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CONFIRMED: Mu'amar #Gaddafi, leader of #Libya for 42 years, has been shot DEAD in vicinity of Rixos Hotel in #Tripoli. #FF
https://twitter.com/#!/MalikAlAbdeh/status/105375443460423680
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Weird, it was tweeted by two reporters (as far as I saw), one said it was confirmed by Sky News, but I have CNN on and nothing, nor anything from Reuters. They don't even mention it as rumor.
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Hmmm there's nothing on news channels about this. It sounds like a rumor but even if CNN and other media outlets confirm this, are we going to believe it? Did Osama really die? Don't think so.
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I dont even see it as a rumor it appears to be a flat out lie or someone is preventing in the information from spreading. his death was listed on wikipedia but it had no section for his death. just wrote the date of his demise.
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I can't find anything else either, no clue where the info comes from.
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If it came from a reporter or journalist or any MSM...then it could be true...or not. That's the problem...we can't trust anything to be 'truth' anymore if it's coming from anyone directly or indirectly working for 'the powers that be'. He may have been killed...Gaddafi has some serious karma to balance out...and I won't be surprised if it turns out to be true.
I've cut my MSM 'news' viewing time significantly lately...if I do watch or listen to any form of media these days, I prefer it to be something that expands my mind or, at the least, something that I can escape into for awhile and get completely lost in thought. To keep abreast of what's going on in the world, I mainly check in with 3 websites daily: our forum, www.whatreallyhappened.com (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/), and www.godlikeproductions.com (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/) ... although I only post on this one. Those sites aren't for everyone...although if you're into conspiracy you'll like them...but there is a ton of info on both on a whole bunch of topics, from religion to the NWO to aliens, and everything inbetween....with links to actual government files, reports, scientific journals, etc.
Neither of those sites have mentioned Gaddafi yet...but I would trust either of them more than I would any mainstream news. I'm sure we'll know soon enough.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Libyan rebels claim Gaddafi son killed
Rebel spokesman says Libyan army commander Khamis Gaddafi killed in NATO airstrike on Zlitan, a claim government denies.
A Libyan rebel spokesman has claimed that a NATO air strike on the western city of Zlitan has killed Khamis Gaddafi, one of the sons of Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi.
Mohammed Zawawi, a spokesman for the rebels, said on Friday that Khamis was among 32 people killed in the raid.
"Overnight there was an aircraft attack by NATO on the Gaddafi operations room in Zlitan and there are around 32 Gaddafi troops killed. One of them is Khamis," said Zawawi, a spokesman for the United Revolutionary Forces.
A NATO official at operations headquarters in Naples, Italy, told the Reuters news agency that while he was aware of the report, he could not confirm it.
"We cannot confirm anything right now, because we don't have people on the ground, but we are trying to find out what we can," he said.
"NATO struck an ammunition storage at around 8:15pm [1815 GMT] in Zlitan and a military police facility within a combat area at around 10:45pm [2045GMT] in the area of Zlitan yesterday," a NATO official told the AFP news agency, adding that it did not know if Khamis had been killed in those airstrikes.
According to NATO's regular operational media update, the alliance flew 117 sorties on Thursday, of which 44 were flown as "strike sorties", indicating that munitions were carried.
The targets hit included an "ammunition storage facility", a "military facility", two multiple rocket launchers and one surface-to-air missile system in Zlitan, the statement says.
It also said that it hit two "military facilities" in Tripoli, in addition to 11 other targets in various areas.
'Dirty trick'
Reuters reported a Libyan government spokesman as denying the death of Khamis, terming the report a "dirty trick".
"It's false news. They invented the news about Mr Khamis Gaddafi in Zlitan to cover up their killing," Moussa Ibrahim told Reuters in Tripoli.
"This is a dirty trick to cover up their crime in Zlitan and the killing of the al-Marabit family," he said, referring to a family the Libyan government says was killed by a NATO air raid on Thursday.
Zawawi said the report of Khamis Gaddafi's death was based on information from spies within the ranks of Gaddafi's forces.
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Zeina Khodr reports from the Nafusa Mountains
Khamis, 28, is the commander of the Libyan army's 32nd Brigade, which rebels say has been at the forefront of the government's defence of Zlitan, the last major western town on the road to Tripoli from the rebel-held east of the country.
Al Jazeera's Andrew Simmons, reporting from Misrata, said that at the moment most indications pointed towards "this not [being] a valid claim".
"If anything the scepticism over this claim that Khamis is dead is growing all the time.
"It just doesn't really add up at this stage, for these reasons: NATO have confirmed that they've been attacking this area not only Thursday night and Friday morning, but also on Thursday - five attacks on Thursday and two overnight.
"But not at the command centre which one opposition spokesperson is claiming was hit by NATO," he said.
"You have to also add to this that we have had a claim before that Khamis has been killed by NATO, and it proved to be erroneous."
The Gaddafi government claims that NATO air strikes in Zlitan on Thursday killed a mother and her two sons.
Officials showed journalists the house they say was hit by NATO bombs.
A spokesman for the military alliance confirmed that an airstrike had taken place, but said that the bombs had hit a "command and control site".
"We always take seriously allegations of civilian casualties and are looking into it, but we have no evidence at this stage that this was caused by an air strike," he said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/08/20118575531382740.html
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I am watching the news right now and it keeps flashing that Gaddafi's whereabouts are still unknown. Both his sons have been arrested though. Maybe his reign of terror will now be over.
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Seems not true, but now they say he has been wounded and captured:
Rebels deliberately spread false news of #Gaddafi's death. They are telling me G captured but wounded, will be sent to #ICC in Hague. #Libya
https://twitter.com/#!/MalikAlAbdeh/status/105431013961904128
Seems like we're up for a new media circus here...They send all the pieces of shit of this world to The Hague, what did we do wrong? >:(
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Unconfirmed: Tweets Say Gaddafi Has Left Libya [BREAKING]
By Charlie White | Mashable – Sat, Aug 20, 2011
http://news.yahoo.com/unconfirmed-tweets-gaddafi-left-libya-breaking-162251846.html
I have Yahoo set as my homepage so first thing I see when I open my browser is news around the world. Interesting timeline of reports.
NATO racing to wrap up Libya campaign
By SLOBODAN LEKIC - Associated Press | AP – 6 hrs ago
http://news.yahoo.com/nato-racing-wrap-libya-campaign-163040210.html
BRUSSELS (AP) — With NATO's bombing of Libya now in its sixth month, a new sense of urgency is gripping the alliance as two critical deadlines loom next month.
Who can unite Libya if Gaddafi falls?
By Michael Georgy | Reuters – 3 hrs ago
http://news.yahoo.com/unite-libya-gaddafi-falls-193337661.html
Good question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO
Rebels reach Tripoli, no sign of resistance
By Ulf Laessing and Missy Ryan | Reuters – 2 hrs 44 mins ago
http://news.yahoo.com/explosions-gunfire-rock-tripoli-rebels-advance-005332618.html
Interesting end result.
http://news.yahoo.com/libya-rebels-tripoli-gadhafi-defenses-collapse-224430097.html
Libya rebels in Tripoli, Gadhafi defenses collapse
By BEN HUBBARD - Associated Press,KARIN LAUB - Associated Press | AP – 9 mins ago
TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — Euphoric Libyan rebels raced into the capital Tripoli on Sunday and moved close to center with little resistance as Moammar Gadhafi's defenses collapsed and his regime appeared to be crumbling fast.
Associated Press reporters with the rebels said they moved easily from the western outskirts into the regime stronghold in a dramatic turning of the tides in the 6-month-old Libyan civil war. A rebel leader said the unit in charge of protecting Gadhafi and Tripoli had surrendered and joined the revolt, allowing the opposition force to move in freely.
"They will enter Green Square tonight, God willing," said Mohammed al-Zawi, a 30-year-old rebel who entered Tripoli. Green Square has been the site of night rallies by Gadhafi supporters throughout the uprising.
Earlier in the day, the rebels overran a major military base defending the capital, carted away truckloads of weapons and raced to Tripoli with virtually no resistance.
Gadhafi's whereabouts were unknown. But he delivered a series of angry and defiant audio messages broadcast on state television. He was not shown in the messages. In the latest one, he acknowledged that the opposition forces were moving into Tripoli and warned the city would be turned into another Baghdad.
"How come you allow Tripoli the capital, to be under occupation once again?" he said. "The traitors are paving the way for the occupation forces to be deployed in Tripoli."
He called on his supporters to march in the streets of the capital and "purify it" from "the rats."
Opposition leaders at one point claimed Gadhafi's son and one-time heir apparent, Seif al-Islam, had been arrested, but they later backtracked and said this was not yet confirmed.
The rebels' surprising and speedy leap forward, after six months of largely deadlocked civil war, was packed into just a few dramatic hours. By nightfall, they had advanced more than 20 miles to Tripoli.
Thousands of jubilant civilians rushed out of their homes to cheer the long convoys of pickup trucks packed with rebel fighters shooting in the air. Some of the fighters were hoarse, shouting: "We are coming for you, frizz-head," a mocking nickname for Gadhafi. In villages along the way that fell to the rebels one after another, mosque loudspeakers blared "Allahu Akbar," or "God is great."
"We are going to sacrifice our lives for freedom," said Nabil al-Ghowail, a 30-year-old dentist holding a rifle in the streets of Janzour, a suburb just six miles west of Tripoli. Heavy gunfire erupted nearby.
As town after town fell and Gadhafi forces disappeared, the mood turned euphoric. Some shouted: "We are getting to Tripoli tonight." Others were shooting in the air, honking horns and yelling "Allahu Akbar."
Once they reached Tripoli, the rebels took control of one neighborhood, Ghot Shaal, on the western edge of the city. They set up checkpoints as a convoy of more than 10 trucks rolled in.
The rebels moved on to the neighborhood of Girgash, about a mile and a half from Green Square. They said they came under fire from a sniper on a rooftop in the neighborhood.
Sidiq al-Kibir, the rebel leadership council's representative for the capital Tripoli, confirmed the arrest of Seif al-Islam to the AP but did not give any further details.
Inside Tripoli, widespread clashes erupted for a second day between rebel "sleeper cells" and Gadhafi loyalists. Rebels fighter who spoke to relatives in Tripoli by phone said hundreds rushed into the streets in anti-regime protests in several neighborhoods.
The day's first breakthrough came when hundreds of rebels fought their way into a major symbol of the Gadhafi regime — the base of the elite 32nd Brigade commanded by Gadhafi's son, Khamis. Fighters said they met with little resistance. They were 16 miles from the big prize, Tripoli.
Hundreds of rebels cheered wildly and danced as they took over the compound filled with eucalyptus trees, raising their tricolor from the front gate and tearing down a large billboard of Gadhafi.
Inside, they cracked open wooden crates labeled "Libyan Armed Forces" and loaded their trucks with huge quantities of munitions. One of the rebels carried off a tube of grenades, while another carted off two mortars.
"This is the wealth of the Libyan people that he was using against us," said Ahmed al-Ajdal, 27, pointing to his haul. "Now we will use it against him and any other dictator who goes against the Libyan people."
One group started up a tank, drove it out of the gate, crushing the median of the main highway and driving off toward Tripoli. Rebels celebrated the capture with deafening amounts of celebratory gunfire, filling the air with smoke.
Across the street, rebels raided a huge warehouse, making off with hundreds of crates of rockets, artillery shells and large-caliber ammunition. The warehouse had once been using to storage packaged foods, and in the back, cans of beans were still stacked toward the ceiling.
They freed several hundred prisoners from a regime lockup. The fighters and the prisoners — many looking weak and dazed and showing scars and bruises from beatings — embraced and wept with joy.
The prisoners had been held in the walled compound and when the rebels rushed in, they freed more than 300 of them.
"We were sitting in our cells when all of a sudden we heard lots of gunfire and people yelling 'Allahu Akbar.' We didn't know what was happening, and then we saw rebels running in and saying 'We're on your side.' And they let us out," said 23-year-old Majid al-Hodeiri from Zawiya. He said he was captured four months ago by Gadhafi's forces and taken to base. He said he was beaten and tortured while under detention.
Many of the prisoners looked disoriented as they stopped at a gathering place for fighters several miles away from the base. Some had signs of severe beatings. Others were dressed in tattered T-shirts or barefoot. Rebels fighters and prisoners embraced.
From the military base, the convoy sped toward the capital.
Mahmoud al-Ghwei, 20 and unarmed, said he had just came along with a friend for the ride .
"It's a great feeling. For all these years, we wanted freedom and Gadhafi kept it from us. Now we're going to get rid of Gadhafi and get our freedom," he said.
At nightfall, the fighters reached Janzour, a Tripoli suburb. Along the way, they were greeted by civilians lining the streets and waving rebel flags. One man grabbed a rebel flag that had been draped over the hood of a slow-moving car and kissed it, overcome with emotion.
"We are not going back," said Issam Wallani, another rebel. "God willing, this evening we will enter Tripoli."
The uprising against Gadhafi broke out in mid-February, and anti-regime protests quickly spread across the vast desert nation with only 6 million people. A brutal regime crackdown quickly transformed the protests into an armed rebellion. Rebels seized Libya's east, setting up an internationally recognized transitional government there, and two pockets in the west, the port city of Misrata and the Nafusa mountain range.
Gadhafi clung to the remaining territory, and his forces failed to subdue the rebellion in Misrata, Libya's third-largest city, and in the Nafusa mountains. Since the start of August, thousands of rebel fighters, including many who fled Gadhafi-held cities, joined an offensive launched from the mountains toward the coast.
The fighters who had set out from the mountains three weeks ago rushed toward Tripoli on Sunday, start out at dawn from a village just east of the coastal city of Zawiya. Only a day earlier had the rebels claimed full control of Zawiya, an anti-regime stronghold with 200,000 people and Libya's last functioning oil refinery.
Rebels said Saturday that they had launched their first attack on Tripoli in coordination with NATO and gunbattles and mortar rounds rocked the city. NATO aircraft also made heavier than usual bombing runs after nightfall, with loud explosions booming across the city.
On Sunday, more heavy machine gun fire and explosions rang out across the capital with more clashes and protests.
Government minders in a hotel where foreign journalists have been staying in Tripoli armed themselves on Sunday in anticipation of a rebel take over. The hotel manager said he had received calls from angry rebels threatening to charge the hotel to capture the government's spokesman, Moussa Ibrahim.
Heavy gun fire was heard in the neighborhood around the Rixos hotel, and smoke was seen rising from a close by building.
"We are scared and staying in our houses, but the younger boys are going out to protect our homes," said a woman who spoke to The Associated Press by telephone from the pro-rebel Tripoli neighborhood of Bin Ashour. She spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal. She said a neighbor's son was shot dead on Saturday night by Gadhafi troops as he tried to protect his street with a group of rebel youth.
Nuri al-Zawi, another resident of Bin Ashour, told the AP by phone that the rebels were using light arms to protect their streets, and in some cases were using only their bodies to fend off the Gadhafi troops riding in pickup trucks.
"We are used to this situation now. We are a city that is cut off from the world now," he said.
The residents reported clashes in neighborhoods all over Tripoli as well as the city's Mitiga military airport. They said they heard loud explosions and exchanges in of gunfire in the Fashloum, Tajoura and Bin Ashour neighborhoods.
Residents and opposition fighters also reported large anti-regime protests in those same neighborhoods. In some of them, thousands braved the bullets of snipers perched atop high buildings.
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Damn it NATO, GANG OF GANGSTER :twisted: crash/
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There's a bunch of sites that think MJ copied Gaddafi's style of dress. I don't see much of any relationship.
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VW482WU76CM/TcaJw3exnhI/AAAAAAAAKYo/dtEmnmk_ZQw/s1600/qaddafi_jackson1-400x216.jpg&imgrefurl=http://laprincessaworld.blogspot.com/2011/05/should-we-expect-gaddafis-superior.html&usg=__v9c2dWpIhgZi7AA59T_gYXTlrgk=&h=216&w=400&sz=27&hl=en&start=6&zoom=1&tbnid=p11DgOdKgRmDjM:&tbnh=67&tbnw=124&ei=6_VRTqjdH4WctweDpNDKCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmichael%2Bjackson,%2Bgaddafi%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1R2ADSA_enCA444%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1
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Any word yet on what's REALLY going on, last time I heard, they said he released a statement and said something like he"will fight to the death" but that's the last I heard.
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After Libya, which will be the next invasion, Syria, Iran or Venezuela?
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Has anyone noticed that since the inception of this 'war' the footage has been all photoshopped and the news contradictory? I have been arguing for a couple of months now that NOTHING IS HAPPENING IN LIBYA!!! That's right. There is no rebellion. There is no substantial rebel force. There is no NATO bombing.
My guess is that Qadaffi is having quite the laugh at the moment. And as for his 'karma' (supposedly very bad), why is it that he is a respected and loved leader in AFRICA? How is it that the standard of living in Libya is among the highest in the world, including free medical care, free college, etc. Oh, and then there's the river project, among the wonders of the world, turning the dessert into habitable space.
What do people know about Libya and Qadaffi except from the media? Is it a coincidence that some of Michael's friends have visited Qadaffi, including Lionel Ritchie?
I know this is outrageous to suggest, but when this all began, I received a report from some people who were in Libya at the time and they reported that NOTHING WAS HAPPENING! And they wondered what all the media was about. Since then, I examined all the videos, photos and news reports and have concluded that it's all an absolute hoax. And lots of it is really funny as well.
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Has anyone noticed that since the inception of this 'war' the footage has been all photoshopped and the news contradictory? I have been arguing for a couple of months now that NOTHING IS HAPPENING IN LIBYA!!! That's right. There is no rebellion. There is no substantial rebel force. There is no NATO bombing.
My guess is that Qadaffi is having quite the laugh at the moment. And as for his 'karma' (supposedly very bad), why is it that he is a respected and loved leader in AFRICA? How is it that the standard of living in Libya is among the highest in the world, including free medical care, free college, etc. Oh, and then there's the river project, among the wonders of the world, turning the dessert into habitable space.
What do people know about Libya and Qadaffi except from the media? Is it a coincidence that some of Michael's friends have visited Qadaffi, including Lionel Ritchie?
I know this is outrageous to suggest, but when this all began, I received a report from some people who were in Libya at the time and they reported that NOTHING WAS HAPPENING! And they wondered what all the media was about. Since then, I examined all the videos, photos and news reports and have concluded that it's all an absolute hoax. And lots of it is really funny as well.
And that to be happening in Libya?, i can understand that this group of rebels ( !asshole! )Without the help of someone in this case, NATO would not do anything to Gaddafi, but to say that in Libya is happening nothing ...
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Of course, SOMEthing may be happening, but nothing of the scale we are being told. Based on my initial information, there were/are rebel strongholds in some remote areas, but we are talking mere skirmishes, and not a rebellion.
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Of course, SOMEthing may be happening, but nothing of the scale we are being told. Based on my initial information, there were/are rebel strongholds in some remote areas, but we are talking mere skirmishes, and not a rebellion.
Of agreement in Libya not having rebellion, there be NATO
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Of course, SOMEthing may be happening, but nothing of the scale we are being told. Based on my initial information, there were/are rebel strongholds in some remote areas, but we are talking mere skirmishes, and not a rebellion.
Of agreement in Libya not having rebellion, there be NATO
I'm not sure of your question, but I think you are asking whether or not I think the NATO bombings are real, to which I respond "NO!"
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Of course, SOMEthing may be happening, but nothing of the scale we are being told. Based on my initial information, there were/are rebel strongholds in some remote areas, but we are talking mere skirmishes, and not a rebellion.
Of agreement in Libya not having rebellion, there be NATO
I'm not sure of your question, but I think you are asking whether or not I think the NATO bombings are real, to which I respond "NO!"
So what is the point of making us believe so? confused/
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Of course, SOMEthing may be happening, but nothing of the scale we are being told. Based on my initial information, there were/are rebel strongholds in some remote areas, but we are talking mere skirmishes, and not a rebellion.
Of agreement in Libya not having rebellion, there be NATO
I'm not sure of your question, but I think you are asking whether or not I think the NATO bombings are real, to which I respond "NO!"
So what is the point of making us believe so? confused/
First of all, and this will seem outrageous, I believe Michael is a part of this hoax. This is not being perpetrated by the same people that pulled off 9-11. This is the revenge. This is the reversal of it all. One has to recall that Libya has always been a part of Bush's Axis of Evil.
IF I am right, the point is to demonstrate how people can believe ANYthing if the media tells them so. To accomplish this, the Qadaffi would have to be a part of it. I've read where the Libyan internet has been virtually shut down. Whether that's true or not, I can't confirm, but I challenge anyone to provide me with a one image of this conflict that is credible. Like with the MJ hoax, I remain open to the possibility that he is dead, pending convincing evidence.
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Has anyone noticed that since the inception of this 'war' the footage has been all photoshopped and the news contradictory? I have been arguing for a couple of months now that NOTHING IS HAPPENING IN LIBYA!!! That's right. There is no rebellion. There is no substantial rebel force. There is no NATO bombing.
My guess is that Qadaffi is having quite the laugh at the moment. And as for his 'karma' (supposedly very bad), why is it that he is a respected and loved leader in AFRICA? How is it that the standard of living in Libya is among the highest in the world, including free medical care, free college, etc. Oh, and then there's the river project, among the wonders of the world, turning the dessert into habitable space.
What do people know about Libya and Qadaffi except from the media? Is it a coincidence that some of Michael's friends have visited Qadaffi, including Lionel Ritchie?
I know this is outrageous to suggest, but when this all began, I received a report from some people who were in Libya at the time and they reported that NOTHING WAS HAPPENING! And they wondered what all the media was about. Since then, I examined all the videos, photos and news reports and have concluded that it's all an absolute hoax. And lots of it is really funny as well.
I agree that something very strange is going on between Libya (and most of the Middle East) and 'Western' protrayal of it. I can see it being a front or 'illusion' for something going on behind the scenes (yet right in front of our eyes?). And, yes, I'm sure that the 'West's' portrayal of Gaddafi is very skewed.
But anyone who has been the leader of a regime for 42 years...I believe, has karma from both ends of the spectrum...both very good and very bad. If 'they' are going after him or will go after him, whether or not he's guilty of what they are now accusing him of...IMO that's karma coming back to bite him on the ass. If, instead, he is taking part in something that will lead to the exposure of the NWO (which I think is a possibility)...then his good 'karma' will increase tenfold.
Just to add...I am completely against war and killing, no matter what the reason...just my personal opinion. And that includes the killing of supposed 'evil' leaders.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Of course, SOMEthing may be happening, but nothing of the scale we are being told. Based on my initial information, there were/are rebel strongholds in some remote areas, but we are talking mere skirmishes, and not a rebellion.
Of agreement in Libya not having rebellion, there be NATO
I'm not sure of your question, but I think you are asking whether or not I think the NATO bombings are real, to which I respond "NO!"
So what is the point of making us believe so?
First of all, and this will seem outrageous, I believe Michael is a part of this hoax. This is not being perpetrated by the same people that pulled off 9-11. This is the revenge. This is the reversal of it all. One has to recall that Libya has always been a part of Bush's Axis of Evil.
IF I am right, the point is to demonstrate how people can believe ANYthing if the media tells them so. To accomplish this, the Qadaffi would have to be a part of it. I've read where the Libyan internet has been virtually shut down. Whether that's true or not, I can't confirm, but I challenge anyone to provide me with a one image of this conflict that is credible. Like with the MJ hoax, I remain open to the possibility that he is dead, pending convincing evidence.
Well .. I find that it's taking a lot of risks just to prove a point. We still have videos of people demonstrating in Libya for example...and unless the population is in on it I don't quite understand why they would demonstrate if nothing is happening. But one big point: the world major media outlets are reporting these things on Lybia which I don't doubt are full of lies...but they (the media) are still owned by the ones willing to cover up the 9/11 truth. So I think that if it was a hoax purported by people with a good motive they wouldn't report anything about it because it's very easy for them to check what is really going on there and they would have "smelled the coffee"...and hence not report it? I think there is a "hoax" element and I agree we can't tell what is really going on there because we cannot trust the media....I think it's too big for my brain at this time. :P
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Well .. I find that it's taking a lot of risks just to prove a point. We still have videos of people demonstrating in Libya for example...and unless the population is in on it I don't quite understand why they would demonstrate if nothing is happening.
Indeed. Show me those pictures. What I've seen have all been CGI. But maybe you have something more convincing?
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Interesting perspective on the pics...
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With L.O.V.E. always.
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Of course, SOMEthing may be happening, but nothing of the scale we are being told. Based on my initial information, there were/are rebel strongholds in some remote areas, but we are talking mere skirmishes, and not a rebellion.
Of agreement in Libya not having rebellion, there be NATO
I'm not sure of your question, but I think you are asking whether or not I think the NATO bombings are real, to which I respond "NO!"
So what is the point of making us believe so? confused/
First of all, and this will seem outrageous, I believe Michael is a part of this hoax. This is not being perpetrated by the same people that pulled off 9-11. This is the revenge. This is the reversal of it all. One has to recall that Libya has always been a part of Bush's Axis of Evil.
IF I am right, the point is to demonstrate how people can believe ANYthing if the media tells them so. To accomplish this, the Qadaffi would have to be a part of it. I've read where the Libyan internet has been virtually shut down. Whether that's true or not, I can't confirm, but I challenge anyone to provide me with a one image of this conflict that is credible. Like with the MJ hoax, I remain open to the possibility that he is dead, pending convincing evidence.
I find your thoughts fascinating gwynned but I don't think Michael is behind what's going on in Libya (or what's not going on). We are not getting accurate or truthful reports on what's happening there, I agree and it is another example of the media lying and forcing people to believe them. I think "they" (TPTB) are behind these lies once again. To create a distraction (from WHAT?), to frighten Gadhafi supporters/sympathizers, to create a false spending sheet so the money supposedly being spent on this can actually be spent elsewhere that they don't want us to know about, the list goes on and on. Since I have no idea what is actually going on I can't say for sure, but I just have a feeling that "they" are behind these lies. And for sinister reasons, to further their agenda.
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Of course, SOMEthing may be happening, but nothing of the scale we are being told. Based on my initial information, there were/are rebel strongholds in some remote areas, but we are talking mere skirmishes, and not a rebellion.
Of agreement in Libya not having rebellion, there be NATO
I'm not sure of your question, but I think you are asking whether or not I think the NATO bombings are real, to which I respond "NO!"
So what is the point of making us believe so? confused/
First of all, and this will seem outrageous, I believe Michael is a part of this hoax. This is not being perpetrated by the same people that pulled off 9-11. This is the revenge. This is the reversal of it all. One has to recall that Libya has always been a part of Bush's Axis of Evil.
IF I am right, the point is to demonstrate how people can believe ANYthing if the media tells them so. To accomplish this, the Qadaffi would have to be a part of it. I've read where the Libyan internet has been virtually shut down. Whether that's true or not, I can't confirm, but I challenge anyone to provide me with a one image of this conflict that is credible. Like with the MJ hoax, I remain open to the possibility that he is dead, pending convincing evidence.
Michael does not have nothing to do with this,.. you believe that NATO will not be in Libya?
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There is no doubt that the Lybians are happy because Gaddafi is not ruling anymore. This is something we cannot deny because he was not loved by his own people. I'm sure the "Western World" has some interest for the oil in Lybia. They will interfere for sure. May be they have a hidden agenda ..... time will tell
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The speech with which United States and NATO have justified its military incursions into Iraq and Libya, riddled with references to democratic values and human rights, highlights the double standards of the West, with one hand fighting old Arab dictators and another tab the atrocities of the systematic Israeli regime for war crimes in the Palestinian territories occupied and fenced, or the permanence of the tyrannical monarchs who have the power in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Morocco and Jordan. In all cases, the regional policies of the West lets say energy and geopolitical interests that modulate convenience the principles of """"freedom, democracy and human rights"""
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Well .. I find that it's taking a lot of risks just to prove a point. We still have videos of people demonstrating in Libya for example...and unless the population is in on it I don't quite understand why they would demonstrate if nothing is happening.
Indeed. Show me those pictures. What I've seen have all been CGI. But maybe you have something more convincing?
I don't have pictures that could convince you but when I watched this video I thought that things were happening for real.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdhROtme9yU&feature=related[/youtube]
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Well .. I find that it's taking a lot of risks just to prove a point. We still have videos of people demonstrating in Libya for example...and unless the population is in on it I don't quite understand why they would demonstrate if nothing is happening.
Indeed. Show me those pictures. What I've seen have all been CGI. But maybe you have something more convincing?
I don't have pictures that could convince you but when I watched this video I thought that things were happening for real.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdhROtme9yU&feature=related[/youtube]
Gang of assassins and of genocide..
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Of course, SOMEthing may be happening, but nothing of the scale we are being told. Based on my initial information, there were/are rebel strongholds in some remote areas, but we are talking mere skirmishes, and not a rebellion.
Of agreement in Libya not having rebellion, there be NATO
I'm not sure of your question, but I think you are asking whether or not I think the NATO bombings are real, to which I respond "NO!"
So what is the point of making us believe so? confused/
First of all, and this will seem outrageous, I believe Michael is a part of this hoax. This is not being perpetrated by the same people that pulled off 9-11. This is the revenge. This is the reversal of it all. One has to recall that Libya has always been a part of Bush's Axis of Evil.
IF I am right, the point is to demonstrate how people can believe ANYthing if the media tells them so. To accomplish this, the Qadaffi would have to be a part of it. I've read where the Libyan internet has been virtually shut down. Whether that's true or not, I can't confirm, but I challenge anyone to provide me with a one image of this conflict that is credible. Like with the MJ hoax, I remain open to the possibility that he is dead, pending convincing evidence.
I find your thoughts fascinating gwynned but I don't think Michael is behind what's going on in Libya (or what's not going on). We are not getting accurate or truthful reports on what's happening there, I agree and it is another example of the media lying and forcing people to believe them. I think "they" (TPTB) are behind these lies once again. To create a distraction (from WHAT?), to frighten Gadhafi supporters/sympathizers, to create a false spending sheet so the money supposedly being spent on this can actually be spent elsewhere that they don't want us to know about, the list goes on and on. Since I have no idea what is actually going on I can't say for sure, but I just have a feeling that "they" are behind these lies. And for sinister reasons, to further their agenda.
I agree with you Andrea. There is stuff going on in Lybia. I don't know what, I haven't been there myself, but I remember someone said she knew someone in Lybia that confirmed that it was a mess there. I think it was Gema, but I'm not sure.
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THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IN UNION OF HIS EUROPEAN PARTNERS OF THE O.T.A.N ARE IN TRIPOLI NOW BE CHEAP FUEL TO MOVE THE MACHINERY OF WAR THAT HAVE ALL THESE IMPERIALIST NATIONS, WILL HAVE THE CONFISCATED TO LIBYA AND THE 128 TONNES OF RESERVES IN GOLD RESERVES IN DOLLARS. NOW WILL BE ABLE TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR STRUGGLING ECONOMIES.
IN THE SAME WAY AS IN THE PAST WE PLUNDERED EXCLAVIZARON AND ALMOST THEY EXTERMINATED TO TAKE AWAY OUR RESOURCES, IS STILL REPEATED IN THE PRESENT THE SAME STORY. A NEW COLONIALISM IS A NEW CONQUEST, THE POWERFUL ON THE PEOPLE WITH LESS CAPACITY IN TECHNOLOGY ARMAMENTS, POPULATIONS OF LESSER IN NUMBERS AND PACIFIST VOCATION DE.
ALL HAVE FALLEN SILENT, KEEP A COMPLICIT SILENCE.
1 OIL, 2. RESERVES IN GOLD. 3. RESERVES IN DOLLARS (CONFISCATED). 4 WATER RESERVES. 5. STRATEGIC LOCATION (THE GATE OF AFRICA).
THESE ARE THE IMPERIAL GOALS.
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http://news.yahoo.com/libya-war-unsung-heroes-182200252.html
Libya War’s Unsung Heroes
By Clive Irving | The Daily Beast – 5 hrs ago
Somewhere high over the Mediterranean right now, a small crew of military specialists sits hunched over computer screens aboard a cruising jet. They could be American, British, or French. Since March they have been the commanding brains of the NATO mission against Muammar Gaddafi’s forces in Libya. Largely unseen and unsung, they are as responsible as anyone for Gaddafi’s defeat.
As arguments raged about whether the U.S. commitment to a “no boots on the ground” role in Libya would work, this whole unproven concept depended on a small fleet of military airplanes called AWACS—for Airborne Warning and Control System. Think of them as a combination of a flying air-traffic-control center and a lethal attack dog.
What makes the NATO Libya operation unique is that it is, literally, a complex battlefield directed and operated entirely in the air. The AWACS crews have to control all the resources being deployed simultaneously, a sky full of airplanes of every type and size flying from high in the stratosphere down to near sea level: nimble electronic surveillance airplanes sent to disrupt Gaddafi’s command-and-control network; ground attack airplanes, helicopters, and drones; maritime air patrols to block Gaddafi’s ports; high-altitude bombers; and the tankers that refuel many of the airplanes in the air—including the AWACS airplanes themselves, which have to stay airborne for long periods, as their crews confirm targets and give permission to attack. Virtually all the aerial refueling was provided by the U.S. Air Force.
The U.S., British, and French air forces each provided their own AWACS airplanes to maintain 24/7 coverage of the war theater. In an achievement that illustrates the cohesion of NATO’s disparate elements, all three air forces use common systems of communication, and have frequently trained together.
On Monday, NATO confirmed that since the Libyan operations began its forces have flown 19,877 sorties, including 7,505 that were strikes against Gaddafi’s forces and installations.
On Sunday alone—as rebel forces entered Tripoli—there were three strikes on command-and-control facilities and nine on Gaddafi’s dwindling air defenses.
At the outset, the first priority was to enforce the no-fly zone that rendered Gaddafi’s Air Force impotent. But whatever the euphemisms employed to cover the air operations—such as “a limited support role”—the coordination of NATO air power and the rebels on the ground steadily improved from those early days when the first rebel attacks were chaotic and NATO pilots could barely distinguish who was friend or foe.
How different it became. Take, for example, one episode last week, as the western city of Zawiyah, gateway to the final stretch of road into the capital, Tripoli, was being contested. The central square of Zawiyah was both strategically and symbolically of high value. But, as they had done many times before, Gaddafi’s forces used a low-tech, low-cost but highly effective method to impede the rebels’ advance by deploying snipers from the roofs of tall buildings in the square.
NATO surveillance watched this problem develop, and told the rebels to back off from the square. Within a few hours the snipers had been taken out by an airstrike—probably by a Predator drone that the snipers never saw or heard. (It’s been evident for a while that some of the more tactical targeting has been assisted by French and British special forces on the ground.)
It is a familiar truism that air power alone can never win a war, no matter how devastating it is. Vietnam proved that. But Libya was a different and risky experiment, leaving the ground war to an indigenous, improvised, and often amateur collection of fighters with little or no battle experience, while, under the guise of “protecting” them, NATO set about a relentless war of attrition until the rebels could close in on that final Gaddafi compound in Tripoli.
And even though the outcome now looks and smells like victory, NATO’s resources were severely stretched. British defense chiefs were reprimanded by Prime Minister David Cameron when they publicly complained that fighting simultaneously in Afghanistan and over Libya was exhausting their capabilities. (Mats Berdal of the department of war studies at King’s College London, told Bloomberg News Monday that NATO was “running out of ammunition.”) French President Nicolas Sarkozy was attacked for impulsively committing his military to support the uprising. France made the largest contribution in ships and airplanes.
Both Cameron and Sarkozy will now brandish their cojones, claiming to have had “a good war.” As they do, the reality of how close NATO really came, in fact, to running out of ammunition—actually and figuratively—is, for sure, nowhere better understood than by those crews aboard the AWACS airplanes, who were the final arbiters of how to use whatever resources were available.
At this point in this adventure started by MJ's hoax and the lessons I have learned along the way, I have now been able to cut past the smoke and mirrors. To me it doesn't matter who the media is because I take the info that is being reported and verify it independantly from multiple other sources. There is always truth hidden amongst lies. There is a video that is in the middle of the page on the above article.
It is Prez Obama making a speech. It is his words along with what I already know of the hidden agenda of the NWO that says to me that this was a real uprising and yes there is a hidden agenda behind it. So yes there is a hoax going on but it is TPTB's real agenda why the assistance in Libya.
First of all Bush and Obama are the front men and pawns, they go along with TPTB's agenda and further it however they have to. In saying that, TPTB are the ones behind 9/11 and it was an inside job from USA govt. in coordination with other parties.
In this case with the Libyan uprising TPTB used the rebels and sided with them to use them in TPTB's eventually take over of Libya and take down of Gaddafi. Instead of USA troops invading and starting a long term war like Afghanistan; the NATO forces under the "guise" of helping the rebels took out the leader in a smarter, less costly way.
TPTB do learn from history. TPTB do know that people are becoming smarter and the people's eyes are opening up to their hidden hand. TPTB did a sneak move to further the agenda to a One World govt. There is a whole lot more leaders and countries involved with the agenda than most people understand. Under the "guise" of peace and liberation Prez Obama is telling those who are asleep that it is all good. Those of us who are awakened see past the BS.
On the left hand side of the above article link is related articles worth reading and so is the other links I provided on the 1st page. Read the articles, filter it through awakened eyes and you can see the hidden agenda coming from TPTB. They didn't give up just because they know people are becoming aware. They think we are sheeples and they are smarter than us.
In a way if some people see only hoaxes (as in it is never happening) then TPTB are succeeding because they have people in a state of confusion; which they like so the people will demand TPTB do something to help. The objective is fear and control and to TPTB it doesn't matter how they achieve control over people. You can be a asleep sheeple or a wide awake to a certain point conspiracy theorist. TPTB will come in and rescue the sheeple because of Order out of Chaos theory.
There is more than just oil in Africa.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR3Qq9EBJn0&feature=related[/youtube]
Uploaded by WorldchannelNews7 on Jun 10, 2011
NATO is continuing its barrage of the Libyan capital, with no sign there will be any let-up until Colonel Muammar Gaddafi goes. Western and Arab countries are showing their support for the Libyan opposition by pledging more money. The rebels say they need $3 billion over the next several months to pay salaries and buy supplies. Although the rebels have managed to get financing from their first oil exports to the US, writer and filmmaker Patrick Henningsen believes the oil business coming out of Libya is not the main driver of this NATO operation.
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Libya is another Iraq... those who are behind these "civilians" uprisings that as who knew they, in the uprisings that took place against the "paper bin" in uruguay, personal military British disguised as ecologists to carrying out actions of social conflict is demonstrated. And demonstrated is that this power be not reported on time produces an acceptance in sectors means that promote these military interventions. And is this acceptance that must fight on the internet that we have no other means and fight the lies of the mass media