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Title: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: ~Souza~ on August 30, 2011, 04:33:51 AM
MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT
Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
(http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/29/michael-jackson-tribute-concert-truce-peace-treaty-phone-call-fans-boycott/)
8/30/2011 12:15 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/08/29/0829-mj-speaker-ex.jpg)

The people behind the upcoming Michael Jackson tribute concert want to make peace with the fans who have sworn to boycott the event ... by inviting them all to join in on a conference call to air out their grievances.

TMZ spoke to a rep for the concert who says they're inviting the leaders of several prominent fan groups to join them Wednesday for "an informative call to address some of the misinformation about the upcoming Michael Forever tribute."

For those unfamiliar, a TON of MJ fan groups banded together in anger -- after Jermaine and Randy Jackson claimed it would be "inappropriate" to support a concert "during the criminal trial surrounding Michael's death."

We're told event organizers are hoping the call with put "rumors and incorrect information to rest."

Stay tuned ...
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 30, 2011, 04:38:33 AM
LOL that photo is funny :lol: :lol: :lol:

The angry fans must be the nonbelievers and Michael wants to offer them a peace treaty
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: GINAFELICIA on August 30, 2011, 04:39:43 AM
I don't think the "angry fans" will be that flatered by that picture lolol/
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: paula-c on August 30, 2011, 08:43:36 AM


That meaning will be four in roman numerals in the coat of the tribute? confused/



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Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: bec on August 30, 2011, 11:59:23 AM
The 3 pitchforks make 12 (total) tines. A tine is a sharp point on a pitchfork.


Considering TS's latest redirect and most current topic of convo, those 12 tines appearing in this pic are interesting.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: ForstAMoon on August 30, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
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The 3 pitchforks make 12 (total) tines. A tine is a sharp point on a pitchfork.


Considering TS's latest redirect and most current topic of convo, those 12 tines appearing in this pic are interesting.

oh, there must be something behind it, I just got to the same thinking... and.... BAM - you are posting the same hahahaha  lolol/
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: curls on August 30, 2011, 12:49:09 PM
Has anyone else been following these fans against the tribute:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fans-against-Michael-Forever-Tribute/156384484435761

They seem to be saying none of the groups have been contacted/invited by GLE to this conference call.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: voiceforthesilent on August 30, 2011, 08:30:32 PM
Curls - thanks for the link. Interesting because it appears as though the sites have to be "verified' before they are invited and that is making a bunch of them mad.

PS - leave it to Pearl Jr to post a hoax comment on the forum.

http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/167439/9?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150361103291204_19784540_10150361585686204#f13bcf04269089c


go ahead with the tribute - if some don't want to go or are against it - they can just stfu about it. · Reply (http://www.facebook.com/plugins/comments.php?api_key=121480591217277&channel_url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fconnect%2Fxd_proxy.php%3Fversion%3D3%23cb%3Df3a4b1532644a52%26origin%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.stereoboard.com%252Ffb3447ba9e37a4%26relation%3Dparent.parent%26transport%3Dpostmessage&fb_comment_id=fbc_10150361103291204_19784540_10150361585686204&href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stereoboard.com%2Fcontent%2Fview%2F167439%2F9&locale=en_US&numposts=20&sdk=joey&width=596#) · 3 hours ago(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/276037_100000469366953_6606898_q.jpg) (http://www.facebook.com/plugins/comments.php?api_key=121480591217277&channel_url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fconnect%2Fxd_proxy.php%3Fversion%3D3%23cb%3Df3a4b1532644a52%26origin%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.stereoboard.com%252Ffb3447ba9e37a4%26relation%3Dparent.parent%26transport%3Dpostmessage&fb_comment_id=fbc_10150361103291204_19784540_10150361585686204&href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stereoboard.com%2Fcontent%2Fview%2F167439%2F9&locale=en_US&numposts=20&sdk=joey&width=596#)The fan clubs invited to the conference call had to be "verified" fan clubs similar to the way celebs have to be "verified" on twitter.  And none of them were - so they were not invited.  Nuff said
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: curls on August 31, 2011, 01:30:10 PM
Updates:

1. Cee Lo Green thinks it's been cancelled:

http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/167485/9 (http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/167485/9)

Hundreds of official fan forums have begged for the cancellation and hundreds of you have written to Stereoboard calling for the gig to be called off. And now, despite desperate attempts by the organisers to make sure the gig goes ahead, it looks as though Cee Lo Green may have delivered the news you have all been waiting for.
 
 “I just read the gig was cancelled,” Green said in an interview with Canada.com. (http://www.canada.com/Interview+Green/5333891/story.html) “so I'm not sure. But I'm up for it - I already have my bags packed. It's honourable to be asked by the family and estate to celebrate the life and accomplishments of Michael Jackson.”
 
 There have been no official statements or talks about the concert being cancelled, but there must have been at least some news flying around for Green to talk publicly about its cancellation.


2. GLE have supposedly contacted the fan site admins re conference call tonight:

http://www.facebook.com/M4Tribute?sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/M4Tribute?sk=wall)

Hi Everyone, All Fan Group Administrators have now been contacted with details of the phone in for tonight's conference calls. We're looking forward to speaking with you soon. Thanks.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: _Anna_ on August 31, 2011, 01:34:28 PM
I simply fail to see the reason of all this. WHY do they insist that much with this tribute?

It's like no one wants it, people created a whole reavolution against it, but they don't give up. At least for dignity and respect I would give up if I was in their shoes. What is the purpose of all this? To me it simply shows that the Jacksons have no dignity and respect neither for Michael nor for the people, and are desperate for money, if this is real and if this is the only side of all this story.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: Grace on August 31, 2011, 02:55:44 PM
Quote
March 29, 2008 
In the Spirit: Learn a lesson from the lady with a fork (http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x845839645/In-the-Spirit-Learn-a-lesson-from-the-lady-with-a-fork)   
By Rev. Susan Esco Chandler   
A friend writes:
"I hoped that the Patriots would win the Super Bowl. They didn't.
"I also hoped that my investments would do well enough to sustain dreams of early retirement. They didn't.
"When my mother found out she had breast cancer, I hoped that she would be able to avoid a radical mastectomy. She didn't.
When you feel like the patron saint of lost causes, it is easy to ask whether God has abandoned us, or whether God is there at all.
At this point, we have three choices:
r Abandon all hope;
r Pretend things aren't that bad; or
r Believe that it's all part of a Greater Plan.
Let's take a closer look:
The first choice leads to bitterness or insanity. If we really took the enormous suffering of the world to heart, and saw no way out, no final justice or redemption, we'd either become embittered in our despair or we'd crack under the strain. This is not a good choice.
The second option is the much preferred. Pretending things aren't that bad manifests itself in either na•ve optimism or willful attempts to remain blind to other people's suffering. Some na•vely optimistic pretenders are optimistic for themselves: they believe bad stuff only happens to other people who somehow deserve it — the "you-smoked-for-30-years-so-you-deserve-your-cancer" school of thought.
Other na•vely optimistic pretenders are optimistic for the sum total of humanity. They believe we can create our own paradise on Earth if we just work together. But even if this were possible — and every bit of evidence in the history of humanity says it isn't — this future paradise wouldn't undo all of the pain and suffering and crushed hope of the past.
The third choice is the Christian's choice. Our real hope lies in resurrection: that no matter what happens in this life, Christ has won for us an inheritance in heaven that is imperishable, undefiled and unfading.
Yet this choice is burdened with its own problems. When Christians answer crushed hope with talk of heaven, they're accused of rationalizing inaction, of being pie-in-the-sky idealists, escapists who can't deal with reality. Christians with hope hear things like, "That's all well and good, but it doesn't really put food on the table, or pay the rent, or cure my cancer, does it?" Modern Christians are supposed to be activists, not escapists.
Yet we can embrace suffering as Christ did on the cross because we know that the cross is not the end of the matter, that something better is coming.


Once I was visiting with a woman diagnosed with terminal cancer. Her doctor told her to start making preparations to die, so she contacted her church and asked for someone to come to her.
  She told me which songs she wanted at the service, what Scriptures she wanted read. She also told me that she wanted to be buried with her Book of Common Prayer. As I was preparing to leave, the woman suddenly remembered something else. "There's one more thing," she said.
"Yes?" I gently asked.
"This is very important," the woman continued. "I want to be buried with a fork in my right hand." I was stunned.
"That shocks you, doesn't it?" the woman asked.
"Well, to be honest, I'm puzzled," I replied.
The woman explained. "In all my years of attending church socials and functions where food was involved, my favorite part was when whoever was clearing away the dishes of the main course would lean over and say,
'Keep your fork.' It was my favorite part because I knew that something better was coming. When they told me to keep my fork, I knew that something great was about to be given to me.Something with substance. So I just want people to know that I'm being buried with a fork and wonder, 'What's with the fork?' Then I want you to tell them: 'Something better is coming, so keep your fork.' "
This was the day that I adopted "Fork Theology." This woman had a beautiful grasp of what heaven was all about: something better was coming.
So the next time you reach down for your fork, let it remind you that there is something better coming.
This season of Easter is a special time for Christians to celebrate the ultimate reason for our hope: Christ is risen and invites us to rise with him to new life. That's no invitation to leave the table; it's a suggestion to keep our forks.
Maybe the Pats can win it all this year.
The Rev. Susan Esco Chandler is the priest of St. James Episcopal Church, Amesbury.

http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x845839645/In-the-Spirit-Learn-a-lesson-from-the-lady-with-a-fork (http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x845839645/In-the-Spirit-Learn-a-lesson-from-the-lady-with-a-fork)
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on August 31, 2011, 04:04:31 PM
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Quote
March 29, 2008 
In the Spirit: Learn a lesson from the lady with a fork (http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x845839645/In-the-Spirit-Learn-a-lesson-from-the-lady-with-a-fork)   
By Rev. Susan Esco Chandler   
A friend writes:
"I hoped that the Patriots would win the Super Bowl. They didn't.
"I also hoped that my investments would do well enough to sustain dreams of early retirement. They didn't.
"When my mother found out she had breast cancer, I hoped that she would be able to avoid a radical mastectomy. She didn't.
When you feel like the patron saint of lost causes, it is easy to ask whether God has abandoned us, or whether God is there at all.
At this point, we have three choices:
r Abandon all hope;
r Pretend things aren't that bad; or
r Believe that it's all part of a Greater Plan.
Let's take a closer look:
The first choice leads to bitterness or insanity. If we really took the enormous suffering of the world to heart, and saw no way out, no final justice or redemption, we'd either become embittered in our despair or we'd crack under the strain. This is not a good choice.
The second option is the much preferred. Pretending things aren't that bad manifests itself in either na•ve optimism or willful attempts to remain blind to other people's suffering. Some na•vely optimistic pretenders are optimistic for themselves: they believe bad stuff only happens to other people who somehow deserve it — the "you-smoked-for-30-years-so-you-deserve-your-cancer" school of thought.
Other na•vely optimistic pretenders are optimistic for the sum total of humanity. They believe we can create our own paradise on Earth if we just work together. But even if this were possible — and every bit of evidence in the history of humanity says it isn't — this future paradise wouldn't undo all of the pain and suffering and crushed hope of the past.
The third choice is the Christian's choice. Our real hope lies in resurrection: that no matter what happens in this life, Christ has won for us an inheritance in heaven that is imperishable, undefiled and unfading.
Yet this choice is burdened with its own problems. When Christians answer crushed hope with talk of heaven, they're accused of rationalizing inaction, of being pie-in-the-sky idealists, escapists who can't deal with reality. Christians with hope hear things like, "That's all well and good, but it doesn't really put food on the table, or pay the rent, or cure my cancer, does it?" Modern Christians are supposed to be activists, not escapists.
Yet we can embrace suffering as Christ did on the cross because we know that the cross is not the end of the matter, that something better is coming.


Once I was visiting with a woman diagnosed with terminal cancer. Her doctor told her to start making preparations to die, so she contacted her church and asked for someone to come to her.
  She told me which songs she wanted at the service, what Scriptures she wanted read. She also told me that she wanted to be buried with her Book of Common Prayer. As I was preparing to leave, the woman suddenly remembered something else. "There's one more thing," she said.
"Yes?" I gently asked.
"This is very important," the woman continued. "I want to be buried with a fork in my right hand." I was stunned.
"That shocks you, doesn't it?" the woman asked.
"Well, to be honest, I'm puzzled," I replied.
The woman explained. "In all my years of attending church socials and functions where food was involved, my favorite part was when whoever was clearing away the dishes of the main course would lean over and say, 'Keep your fork.' It was my favorite part because I knew that something better was coming. When they told me to keep my fork, I knew that something great was about to be given to me.Something with substance. So I just want people to know that I'm being buried with a fork and wonder, 'What's with the fork?' Then I want you to tell them: 'Something better is coming, so keep your fork.' "
This was the day that I adopted "Fork Theology." This woman had a beautiful grasp of what heaven was all about: something better was coming.
So the next time you reach down for your fork, let it remind you that there is something better coming.
This season of Easter is a special time for Christians to celebrate the ultimate reason for our hope: Christ is risen and invites us to rise with him to new life. That's no invitation to leave the table; it's a suggestion to keep our forks.
Maybe the Pats can win it all this year.
The Rev. Susan Esco Chandler is the priest of St. James Episcopal Church, Amesbury.
http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x845839645/In-the-Spirit-Learn-a-lesson-from-the-lady-with-a-fork (http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x845839645/In-the-Spirit-Learn-a-lesson-from-the-lady-with-a-fork)

So.. let's keep our forks  respect/
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: curls on August 31, 2011, 05:02:04 PM
Report from one fan site on their call with tribute organisers:

http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/?p=5911&fb_comment_id=fbc_10150297736070138_18411519_10150297803465138 (http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/?p=5911&fb_comment_id=fbc_10150297736070138_18411519_10150297803465138)

 Legendary MJ conference call with Global Live Events (http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/?p=5911) (http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Michael-Forever-logo-31.jpg)Legendary Michael Jackson FA was just in a conference call with Global Live Events about the Forever Michael Tribute Concert which is scheduled for October 8th 2011. We spoke with Andy Picheta who is the Live Event Director. The call lasted for about 15 minutes. Because this is about Michael and his fans we are sharing the information we got from the phone call with you here.
Invitation to KISS / Gene Simmons
Picheta explained that the selection of KISS was not discussed with the Jackson family. Also they did not research it enough and were just happy to book the act since they were told Michael was very fond of them. Now, especially because of the recent comments made by Simmons, they are happy that they have been removed from the line-up. GLE hopes that this shows to the fans that they do care.
Why contact the fanclubs now?
We were contacted this week by GLE for this conference call. We asked them why now? Why not in the early stages of setting up the tribute concert? Picheta explained that they have done many concerts and tributes. Fans are always part of it but normally a small part. With Michael Jackson it’s totally different. They say they didn’t realize that. When they could do this all over again, they would definitely contact the fanclubs in the early stages.
Picheta also comments that ‘they’ thought organizing a tribute concert for Michael could only be a good thing.

Timing issue
We asked Picheta why the concert was not scheduled for June 25th or August 29th. Now, the concert is badly timed with the trial against Conrad Murray. Picheta explained that they wanted to do the show on one of these dates but that it came with practical issues like artist booking and vanue availability.
So why on October 8th? According to Picheta this is one day different from the start of Michael’s solo career. It was the release of Michael’s first solo single Got To Be There on October 7th 1971 that marked the official launch of his solo career. 2011 marks the 40th anniversary of his solo career.
Ticket pricing
According to Picheta the ticket pricing is normal for concerts this big in the UK. He named the recent Take That concert as example. Tickets of Take That varied from £ 55 upto £ 145. Ticket pricing for this concert start at £ 56. About 2/3 of the audience is able to buy tickets below £ 100.
Charities
Picheta insures that GLE has made a profit share agreement with two charities; Aids LA and the Prince’s Trust. The Prince’s Trust because Michael did a benefit concert for that charity in 1988. They get a share of the profit of ticket sales and TV broadcasting. Picheta insures us that both charities are happy with the agreement.
Guaranteed performances
Picheta explained that fans are protected by the UK law. For example. If someone expects to see Ne-Yo and he wasn’t there they can get a full refund of their ticket. The UK law is very clear about this and protects consumers for this.
Estate of Michael Jackson
The administrators of the Estate of Michael Jackson are handpicked by Michael himself. It is very important for LMJ that the Estate is involved in a tribute of global size. We asked Picheta why they are not working with the Estate. According to Picheta GLE respects the Estate, the work they do and the copyrights they have. He also is clear about the fact that in the UK it is allowed to perform songs from any artist you want as long as you pay for the use of them. There is an organization that takes 2,5 % of the ticket price to make sure this is done.
Picheta says they feel they are not working against the Estate but alongside the Estate. He also points out that 13 Jackson family members will be either attending or performing at the show.
He also referred to the diplomatic response of Janet Jackson who was invited to perform too. Janet told GLE that “it is not right for her at this time”.
.
The information above is honest and factual. As usual LMJ wants to protect Michael’s legacy above all. It is our duty to inform his fans with facts so you can decide for yourselves. Please leave a comment to let us know how you feel about the Tribute Concert now.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: PureLove on August 31, 2011, 05:20:38 PM
Thank you so much for the updates curls.  beerchug I wonder if the tribute is going to happen or not.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: _Anna_ on September 02, 2011, 04:15:43 PM
Answer from Global Live Events to The Estate.
 
I still don't understand how this can go on if they don't have the approval from The Estate to use his name and image.
 
http://twitdoc.com/view.asp?id=21267&sid=GER&ext=PDF&lcl=Letter-to-Howard-Weitzman-on-August-17th.pdf&usr=Ivy_MJJC&doc=63812734&key=key-26qodozjlt36ohkdfolx (http://twitdoc.com/view.asp?id=21267&sid=GER&ext=PDF&lcl=Letter-to-Howard-Weitzman-on-August-17th.pdf&usr=Ivy_MJJC&doc=63812734&key=key-26qodozjlt36ohkdfolx)
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: blankie on September 03, 2011, 05:53:33 AM
I agree with you Gina !!!!! :) :D
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 03, 2011, 06:09:45 AM
How long can this continue to go on if there is or never was a tribute concert?
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on September 03, 2011, 06:47:46 AM
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I simply fail to see the reason of all this. WHY do they insist that much with this tribute?

It's like no one wants it, people created a whole reavolution against it, but they don't give up. At least for dignity and respect I would give up if I was in their shoes. What is the purpose of all this? To me it simply shows that the Jacksons have no dignity and respect neither for Michael nor for the people, and are desperate for money, if this is real and if this is the only side of all this story.

Anna, what respect do they need to give Michael if he is alive/ This is all part of the hoax. This is Michael's idea. Something may come out, out of this tribute. Do not blame the Jackson please, especially the mother, she is a sweet woman who loves Michael with all her heart. She is just obeying what Michael is ordering. So please do not bash the Jacksons, they all have a part to follow.. The truth will prevail.. blessings.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: curls on September 05, 2011, 10:59:31 AM
http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/an-open-letter-to-michael-jacksons-family/ (http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/an-open-letter-to-michael-jacksons-family/)

This is simply disgraceful to read from so-called 'fans', so there's the link but I'm not going to post the actual letter here.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: bec on September 05, 2011, 11:39:48 AM
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http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/an-open-letter-to-michael-jacksons-family/ (http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/an-open-letter-to-michael-jacksons-family/)

This is simply disgraceful to read from so-called 'fans', so there's the link but I'm not going to post the actual letter here.



MAN! Wow... there gonna be some very long faces upon reveal. I hope they salted n peppered those words because they're going to have to eat them.


Michael clearly saw this coming... what about his fan base caused him to create such a giant sting operation to catch them in the act of such blind hypocracy?


Although I think I can answer my own question... the treatment of Ms. Katherine and other Jackson Family members on MJJC. This is back's vendetta come to fruition. He warned them... they failed to heed. Soon they will suffer the consequences.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: RK on September 05, 2011, 11:51:01 AM
Wow....that was vicious. Passing judgment with limited knowledge of the facts and look at the results.  People need to learn a lesson here, and it seems they have made the choice to learn it the hard way so bring it MJ.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 05, 2011, 12:22:44 PM
 OMG! That letter is tragic.  How dare “fans’ impose upon Michael’s family in this manner.  I hope the Estate or somebody with some backbone puts an immediate end to this.  They are going too far and being pompous and giving Michael’s family a bad name.  I don’t like it one bit /pull hair/
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: bec on September 05, 2011, 12:33:23 PM
I think this is the Sting though. I think Michael is doing this on purpose. He's going to shock them... and the effect will be much bigger and much better if he ramps up their emotions to the brink before it happens.


He's giving them as much rope as they can handle... and they are grabbing it like desperate looters at the 11th hour. They're going to hang themselves... as morbid a metaphor as that is, I know of no other way to explain what I see going on here. Back warned them. They failed to heed his warnings. They continue to indulge in fear and distrust and hate. They dropped Michael's hand like a hot potato a long time ago. He said whatever happens... they ignored him. They will learn a lesson and it will be a hard one. But the hardest lessons are the most life changing.


It's all for love. Clearly, he is trying to save them.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: trublu on September 05, 2011, 12:37:15 PM
I really do not know how they can call themselves fans. I'm sure Michael would not appreciate them attacking his family. I for one know that, yeah sometimes I can say 'oh my mum is annoying' etc, but if anyone else does,well, I would not be happy! As it is not the place of people who don't know your family to speak badly of them. Shame on them.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: Sarahli on September 05, 2011, 12:42:27 PM
 :shock: OMG I had never read this... I have no words ...  >:(
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 05, 2011, 12:48:10 PM
One thing is for sure, Michael will see who the REAL fans are.  And apparently they the ones who still hold onto his hand and believe in him more than they believe in the hype.  It’s quite interesting that the ones who praise most that Michael is dead are the same ones who are attacking his family now.  I wonder what is the connection smiley_spider
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 05, 2011, 12:54:32 PM
I agree.  I just read the letter to the Jackson family and thought it was disrespectful also.  This is because the "fans" who wrote this are probably non-believers.  They don't understand that the tribute concert is part of the hoax and the family has a good reason for doing it.  They don't see the family as having different parts to play in the hoax.    We "believers" let them go for it because we know it will serve a purpose and it is all for love.  Even if we don't understand the whole thing yet we trust that it is set up for a good reason.   We have to help the nonbelievers read and investigate more and gain more understanding so they wouldn't be so angry.   mj_dance/
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: bec on September 05, 2011, 01:02:14 PM
I see the connection. Those who heeded Michael's message all these years are the one who have now become hoaxers. The rest (non-believers) weren't listening and now REFUSE to see. It's the Sting operation. They think Michael is dead... and to believe that you'd have to be blind to Michael's 30 year message. He warned us for decades what he was going to do. We have discovered it through 2 years of investigation. They are blinded by their tears and they are too closed minded to consider the facts.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: bec on September 05, 2011, 01:06:38 PM
@Dontwalkaway, first, welcome! I see you are new. Second, we have tried to help them see but they reject us and our message. They hate us and vilify us. They ban us and censor us. Now they must suffer their fate because in their suffering they will rise up and become reborn. Their eyes will open, but Michael reserves the right to awaken them when the time is right. This is by design. This is Michael's will.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 05, 2011, 01:07:01 PM
But even if they are non-believers, the levels they are allowing themselves to stoop to in the name of l.o.v.e. for Michael is baffling.  I don’t get how anyone who professes to adore Michael and embrace his legacy of love and compassion would have hearts so black with hate and self righteousness that they would allow this kind of persecution to Michael’s family and especially his mother.  That is insane and hypocritical to say the least.  It almost feels like they are spinning webs and casting spells  /cook/ WTF??
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 05, 2011, 01:22:52 PM
Yes thankyou Bec, I am a new user here but actually I have been reading things on this website since last fall.  I have been watching this hoax for about a year on different hoax websites and youtube and facebook etc.   So, what you are saying is that the tribute concert is part of a set up or hoax mainly for the nonbelievers.  This is to awaken the nonbelievers.  If true, I think that is a great idea.  Michael is so intelligent.  I have total trust in the fact that he knows what he is doing and he is always 10 steps ahead.  This is truly "the greatest show on earth" and it is to teach us all how to be better.   It is truly magnificent.   
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: a18wheelslady on September 05, 2011, 01:23:46 PM
I feel so sorry for the non-believers.
they don' have a clue that this is all set up by Michael.
why would anyone attack his family? that is just showing Michael how they disrespect him.
Because one thing we do know is that through everything Michael Loves His Family.
it always seems that when people don't get what they want or what they demand they have to
get in the ATTACK MODE.

They need to leave his FAMILY ALONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE who made them the judge and jury.


They need to just sit back and ----- Watch The Greatest Show On Earth

 bearhug

Love You More  :) :) :) :) :) :) :)



 
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: Grace on September 05, 2011, 01:40:57 PM
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http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/an-open-letter-to-michael-jacksons-family/ (http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/an-open-letter-to-michael-jacksons-family/)

This is simply disgraceful to read from so-called 'fans', so there's the link but I'm not going to post the actual letter here.


SOOO SAD.

Quote
Modesty is a virtue.

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I will perform the songs my fans want to hear.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: bec on September 05, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/backtotheedge.jpg)


Back's warning via MJJC June 2, 2010:
Quote from: back
Sometimes when bands ASSume they are in unisome, at least one member will be attentive enough to realize they are actually offbeat. It is also a butter pill to swallow when that "imperfection" is pointed out.


For those what consider themselves sanctioned experts regarding the lives of a very large and famous FAMILY, perhaps your credentials need thorough autiong in order to find out just what went wrong. To put it nicely, there"s ignorance to reality, transfixion on sensationalism and much "assuming" of oneself into circles.


With the clapping being a little offkey, could an expert please tell me if Michael APPROVED of "THIS IS IT" the motion picture? That is since this narrative continues to surface and the band knows what he REALLY wanted.


Also, Respect is earned you say?


Well Levin, Anka, McClain, Branca, Botek and many more must be "EARNING" it in droves.


Aren't they?


Experts only please!


Also, let the experts tell us or at least attempt to dissect the differences between the vast amount of people "EARNING" it?


Even this website! wink


Respect doesn't come cheap, does it?


The qualifier for NOT earning it appears to be blood!


Threats are of no consequence in this day and age; at least that's what many believe.


But I promise, not only Mr. Taylor, but to those who sincerely believe in the ORIGINAL intent of this forum, if Katherine Jackson is not given her due respect, we are prepared to tranfer part of the burden we have to bear from these relentless insults right where it belongs. Sadly, most of the disdain originates from an UNLIKELY place! The more I think about it, the greater my agony elevates because I never though it would devolve to such a circumstance. The leadership could help us, but many appear to subliminally support it. Michael wouldn't WANT this I assure you. Me-me-me ness will lead some to the edge before they will open their eyes.


Real Talk!


Keep WATCHIN'.......


Hint hint.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 05, 2011, 01:52:51 PM
 OMG! WTF??

Those 'fans' are out of their fucking minds!

Here is the letter. I will post it here so that whenever they try to delete and deny, a copy will be here for all to read:

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An Open Letter to Michael Jackson’s Family
SEP 3
Posted by mjanwatch


In the early days after Michael Jackson’s death, most fans gave his family the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not they would behave respectfully and honorably, and would protect Michael’s children from the premature celebrity that cost him his own childhood. Now, with a series of fiascos generated by the Jackson family, the affection many fans could have had for them is at an end. We would like for the Jacksons to know exactly why so many fans have serious concerns.

To the Jackson family:

You should plan no more tribute concerts without the full cooperation and support of Michael Jackson’s Estate. However, it is unlikely that they will give you that cooperation and support – and particularly after the ill-conceived and badly timed proposed concert in Wales. Any sort of tribute concert should be left to the Estate to plan and execute – not you. It’s been stated that no less than thirteen Jacksons will either perform or attend the tribute concert. Since this has been advertised as a charity concert, you would be well-advised to give whatever you might earn for performing/attending, to the Estate to donate to charities that Michael supported.

You do not own the right to Michael’s name, image, nor likeness. The Estate does, and the executors are growing the Estate for Michael’s children – not for you. According to the Estate as it’s being managed, you are actually not allowed to use Michael’s name, image, nor likeness for any marketing schemes. You may remember Michael fondly as the brother, son, uncle, and cousin that he was, but please do so quietly, amongst yourselves.

There is no need for you to give tribute concerts for charities in Michael’s name, at all. Michael provided for charities generously, in his will.

There is no need for you to set up a trust fund for Michael’s children. The Estate IS their trust fund, and they will be some of the wealthiest people in the United States, without your help.

There is no need for you to attempt to preserve Michael’s legacy. He achieved his globally recognized legacy without you. In a professional sense, preserving his legacy is what the Estate is for, and they are doing just that. The best way you can protect the legacy of this great man, is to behave properly and respectfully, and to pursue your own lives and careers.

You seem not to comprehend the terms of Michael’s will, and your place in it – which is nowhere. Michael’s mother, Katherine, will continue to receive a generous stipend, but the Estate is not her money. It belongs to Michael’s children.

Michael Jackson’s fans are not your fans. If they had wanted to be fans of other Jackson family members, they would have done so when Michael was still alive. The fans are not an already-planted crop to be harvested by you, as an income for you, and their fandom does not transfer to the family automatically — if at all.

You continue to squabble amongst yourselves, but in a very public way. Please work out your differences in private, and refrain from tweeting your arguments for all to see. Your quarreling is undignified, and should be resolved within the privacy of the family.

You are not actually a dynasty, nor are you royalty with a kingdom. There is only one living Michael Jackson sibling with a high-level career. That is Janet, and she earned it. The rest of you would be wise to pursue your own projects and careers. Modesty is a virtue, and describing yourselves as a dynasty has become an embarrassment.

Michael’s wishes for the parenting of his children should be respected. He lost his own childhood due to premature celebrity, and he tried very hard to protect his children from that same loss. They are not bait, for any money-making enterprises of yours. They need to be loved and supervised until they are of the ages to make their own choices about whether or not to have public lives. The Jackson family can best preserve Michael’s legacy by raising his children according to his choices when alive.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: scorpionchik on September 05, 2011, 02:01:17 PM
I would actually support the 'You should plan no more tribute concerts without the full cooperation and support of Michael Jackson’s Estate.' Which is true, can't be denied as far as Michael is currently "dead".
The rest is  WTF??
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: MichaelsAngel on September 05, 2011, 02:08:03 PM
 OMG! I can't believe that someone had the balls to write that garbage, especially the part about the Jacksons shouldn't call themselves a dynasty! Are they forgetting that the Jackson 5 had a very successful career? And even if they aren't fans of them, there is no need to be rude and hurtful. Obviously, they are forgetting Michael's message of L.O.V.E  /pull hair/
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: paula-c on September 05, 2011, 02:08:47 PM
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OMG! WTF??

Those 'fans' are out of their fucking minds!

Here is the letter. I will post it here so that whenever they try to delete and deny, a copy will be here for all to read:

Quote
An Open Letter to Michael Jackson’s Family
SEP 3
Posted by mjanwatch


In the early days after Michael Jackson’s death, most fans gave his family the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not they would behave respectfully and honorably, and would protect Michael’s children from the premature celebrity that cost him his own childhood. Now, with a series of fiascos generated by the Jackson family, the affection many fans could have had for them is at an end. We would like for the Jacksons to know exactly why so many fans have serious concerns.

To the Jackson family:

You should plan no more tribute concerts without the full cooperation and support of Michael Jackson’s Estate. However, it is unlikely that they will give you that cooperation and support – and particularly after the ill-conceived and badly timed proposed concert in Wales. Any sort of tribute concert should be left to the Estate to plan and execute – not you. It’s been stated that no less than thirteen Jacksons will either perform or attend the tribute concert. Since this has been advertised as a charity concert, you would be well-advised to give whatever you might earn for performing/attending, to the Estate to donate to charities that Michael supported.

You do not own the right to Michael’s name, image, nor likeness. The Estate does, and the executors are growing the Estate for Michael’s children – not for you. According to the Estate as it’s being managed, you are actually not allowed to use Michael’s name, image, nor likeness for any marketing schemes. You may remember Michael fondly as the brother, son, uncle, and cousin that he was, but please do so quietly, amongst yourselves.

There is no need for you to give tribute concerts for charities in Michael’s name, at all. Michael provided for charities generously, in his will.

There is no need for you to set up a trust fund for Michael’s children. The Estate IS their trust fund, and they will be some of the wealthiest people in the United States, without your help.

There is no need for you to attempt to preserve Michael’s legacy. He achieved his globally recognized legacy without you. In a professional sense, preserving his legacy is what the Estate is for, and they are doing just that. The best way you can protect the legacy of this great man, is to behave properly and respectfully, and to pursue your own lives and careers.

You seem not to comprehend the terms of Michael’s will, and your place in it – which is nowhere. Michael’s mother, Katherine, will continue to receive a generous stipend, but the Estate is not her money. It belongs to Michael’s children.

Michael Jackson’s fans are not your fans. If they had wanted to be fans of other Jackson family members, they would have done so when Michael was still alive. The fans are not an already-planted crop to be harvested by you, as an income for you, and their fandom does not transfer to the family automatically — if at all.

You continue to squabble amongst yourselves, but in a very public way. Please work out your differences in private, and refrain from tweeting your arguments for all to see. Your quarreling is undignified, and should be resolved within the privacy of the family.

You are not actually a dynasty, nor are you royalty with a kingdom. There is only one living Michael Jackson sibling with a high-level career. That is Janet, and she earned it. The rest of you would be wise to pursue your own projects and careers. Modesty is a virtue, and describing yourselves as a dynasty has become an embarrassment.

Michael’s wishes for the parenting of his children should be respected. He lost his own childhood due to premature celebrity, and he tried very hard to protect his children from that same loss. They are not bait, for any money-making enterprises of yours. They need to be loved and supervised until they are of the ages to make their own choices about whether or not to have public lives. The Jackson family can best preserve Michael’s legacy by raising his children according to his choices when alive.

 
 
 
! Shit ! To create these people? They think they are the administrators of the life and money from Michael and his family? I have to confess that i had never been interested in club of fanatics or that kind of thing,.. thank God that lack of respect :?
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on September 05, 2011, 03:50:44 PM
i really can't describe how angry i am after reading this letter, how did they say it "MODESTY IS A VIRTUE"? they write it but it doesn't count for them i guess.
I didn't like the word fan, now even less, because it's short for fanatic, but for them it's a really good name isn't?
They never new the man and i think they never will .....they only new his music, they hear him say things in the past but never really listened to what he has to say, otherwise they would.nt be attacking the family or more importend His Mother, who he loved and still loves.
I was thinking if they even considered Michael could read this, will they think Michael would be happy with this trash.
So no sorry for this fanatics for me,  >:(
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on September 05, 2011, 04:28:28 PM
What nerve! >:(
To express their confusion about the controversies around the Michael Forever Tribute, which are caused by the controversial news reports from different – and some probably not reliable– sources is comprehensible, though this letter is full of prejudiced assumptions and accusations and it is a shameful insult to the Jackson family. How did they have the nerve to own the right to decide what the Jackson family should do or shouldn’t do? It’s like they claim to have some sort of power. We don’t know of the family’s reasons behind decisions and we RESPECT that. They should do the same, though the letter shows the opposite, which is such a shame.
 
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbZ9uCQW1Hk&ob=av2e [/youtube]
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: PureLove on September 05, 2011, 05:18:24 PM
These so called fans are no different than MJ haters. All they do is to spread hate. They hate MJ's family, they hate us, they hate hate hate... They think that they love Michael but they learned nothing from him and they know nothing about him.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on September 05, 2011, 05:33:50 PM
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http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/an-open-letter-to-michael-jacksons-family/ (http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/an-open-letter-to-michael-jacksons-family/)

This is simply disgraceful to read from so-called 'fans', so there's the link but I'm not going to post the actual letter here.



MAN! Wow... there gonna be some very long faces upon reveal. I hope they salted n peppered those words because they're going to have to eat them.


Michael clearly saw this coming... what about his fan base caused him to create such a giant sting operation to catch them in the act of such blind hypocracy?


Although I think I can answer my own question... the treatment of Ms. Katherine and other Jackson Family members on MJJC. This is back's vendetta come to fruition. He warned them... they failed to heed. Soon they will suffer the consequences.

I agree with you Bec.. What on earth? If it wasn't for Katherine and Joe Michael wouldn't have been here. I do not condone the beating Joe gave Michael, but if Joe did not push Michael he wouldn't have been the King he is today. This goes with his brothers.These fans are evil pure evil, who died and made them in charge of what the family should do or not do. Katherine is in her mid eighties, she is an elderly woman who is taking care of the children mean time,she deserves a big respect.  WTF?? 
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: Dontwalkaway on September 05, 2011, 05:54:23 PM
I agree with you Allforloveandbelieve.   Hopefully they will learn a lesson about love from this.  They think they are protecting Michael because they think he is dead but showing disrespect etc. will not help.  It just makes things worse.  Hopefully this is a hoax within a hoax and they will learn from it.  If so, Michael is truly a GENIUS.  You can see people's true character when a tragedy occurs or something goes wrong.  You see who stays by you and your family etc. and who doesn't.  The truth will eventually come out.   penguin/   
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: paula-c on September 05, 2011, 07:13:28 PM
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i really can't describe how angry i am after reading this letter, how did they say it "MODESTY IS A VIRTUE"? they write it but it doesn't count for them i guess.
I didn't like the word fan, now even less, because it's short for fanatic, but for them it's a really good name isn't?
They never new the man and i think they never will .....they only new his music, they hear him say things in the past but never really listened to what he has to say, otherwise they would.nt be attacking the family or more importend His Mother, who he loved and still loves.
I was thinking if they even considered Michael could read this, will they think Michael would be happy with this trash.
So no sorry for this fanatics for me,  >:(

 
 
I have also mentioned before, i don't like this word, neither its meaning
 
 
 
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  Fanaticism is a passion that is exacerbated, excessive and persistent, particularly towards religious or political cause, or a pastime or hobby. It consists of a passionate and unconditional adhesion to a cause, an unrestrained enthusiasm and persistent obsession towards certain topics in stubborn way, sometimes indiscriminate and violent. Fanaticism may refer to any belief that is akin to a person or group. In extreme cases in which fanaticism overcomes rationality, can reach extremes dangerous and kill human beings or imprison them, and may include the desire to unconditional impose a belief as symptom, considered good for the fan or a group of them.

 
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanatismo (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanatismo)
 
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: Mish1981 on September 05, 2011, 08:36:33 PM
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http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/an-open-letter-to-michael-jacksons-family/ (http://mjanwatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/an-open-letter-to-michael-jacksons-family/)

This is simply disgraceful to read from so-called 'fans', so there's the link but I'm not going to post the actual letter here.


From the bottom of my heart I truly hope if that horrid letter reaches ANYONE in the Jackson family, Michael included of course, they know that the contents in that letter are not the thoughts of every fan. I know for one I do NOT agree with that letter. We are just fans, in no way shape, form or fashoin do we have any right to say anything to anyone else on what they should do or act or think.

The person or fan group that wrote that should have thought of all of the fans not just themselves.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: _Anna_ on September 05, 2011, 11:48:31 PM
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I agree with you Bec.. What on earth? If it wasn't for Katherine and Joe Michael wouldn't have been here. I do not condone the beating Joe gave Michael, but if Joe did not push Michael he wouldn't have been the King he is today.
 

While their selfimportant, selfrighteous attitude towards the family like they are some kind of authority is lame, I don't agree with what you said here. You say this as if Joseph hadn't beat him like that, he wouldn't have been the king today. That is not "pushing" him to become the king. If beating him to death for you means to "push" him, then...

 Joseph has no excuse for what he did to Michael. It's easy to speak when you were not in his shoes. No matter if he's the father, he had no excuse. You can forgive. And I know Michael has forgiven Joseph, as he already said, because he has a big heart. But no matter the circumstances, no matter what you want to achieve or how you want to push your son or anybody for that matter, to become the king of the world, in no way it's justified to treat him like that. I don't judge Joseph, nor no one. It's in Michael's hands to forgive him or not... But I can say what I feel. To beat him like that has no earthly excuse.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: JustDucky on September 06, 2011, 12:28:31 AM
 @Anna

 
A friend of my cousin's was a lighting technician at one of the big Vegas hotels in the 1970s. He worked on The Jacksons' show. He said that during rehearsals, he could see black and blue marks on Michael, that during breaks Michael would go off and sit by himself. According to him it was common knowledge that Joe beat him but no one did anything - “the show must go on”.

 
I look at pictures of young Michael, so cute and full of spunk, then shy, self conscious teenage Michael and wonder how on earth anyone could hit him. He's so beautiful, how could his own father belittle him? I agree with you, there is no earthly reason. Talent and a desire to please were there to be cultivated, but not like that. Joe's treatment set Michael up for all the bad things that came later in his life. Because Joe didn't love and protect Michael, Micheal wanted to love and protect other boys, to give them what he hadn't received.

 
I'm sorry if this offends anyone but if Michael says it was so, that's good enough for me. I don't understand fans who defend Joe's actions.
 
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: Grace on September 06, 2011, 12:49:25 AM
This "fan" behaviour is quite predictable. It is pure shame.

The cited letter is not far from stalking and is imposing the stalker's view on the stalked.
Stalkers are like druggies - insatiably dependent. I bet you could give them Michael in person and they would yellingly swallow the man and still ask for more.

Now we may extend the questions to: "are stalking fans also victims?"
I'd say yes to some extend, fans are made by entertainment industry.
Possessive fans are made by making the star "ever available" to their lives wherever, whenever, always, forever.
(That's why we can listen to music with our telephone. Does that make sense? My Granny would energetically shake her head.)
Industry does never care about individuals - that's why it's an industry.
So the man on stage and the fans in the crowd are means and objects alike to make $$$.

One explicit difference I notice however between a "normal" fan and a possessive, "drugged-up" stalker-type fan: the latter knows to some extend that what he is doing is not right and is crossing borders. A stalker lives from the power he gains over the stalked because the victim will change life to get away from the stalker.
That explains to some extend why the authors of that letter dare addressing the family. They cannot even imagine how unimportant they are in real life. Still they come to the gates ringing the bell, accompanied by all kind of respectless, childish "I need you so" approval of blinddness, deafness and stubborn "Alert Steel Thickhead" (the latter being JCC's words from 2009 - all of them may be found here: http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t277-jcc-s-other-cryptic-comments-and-what-i-think-they-mean-please-read (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t277-jcc-s-other-cryptic-comments-and-what-i-think-they-mean-please-read)).

With the Cardiff Giant Memorial, we witnessed one more time that someone triggered the avalanche on purpose.
The reactions were so predictable, unfortunately. Why for heaven's sake should Michael ever come back to folks like these? It's sufficient to have those ever screaming fainting girls to get turned off touring. What a respectless, self-humiliating action.

All of this reminds me much of the discussion we had a year ago about "Re-Education: will things be any different?" The examples of possessive fan behaviour given in this thread are incredible, showing no limits.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,14496.msg242167.html#msg242167 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,14496.msg242167.html#msg242167)
(Don't get scared off big formats in some posts deriving from conversion to this board and youtube links not directly displaying the videos.)
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: _Anna_ on September 06, 2011, 01:20:58 AM
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@Anna

 
A friend of my cousin's was a lighting technician at one of the big Vegas hotels in the 1970s. He worked on The Jacksons' show. He said that during rehearsals, he could see black and blue marks on Michael, that during breaks Michael would go off and sit by himself. According to him it was common knowledge that Joe beat him but no one did anything - “the show must go on”.

 
I look at pictures of young Michael, so cute and full of spunk, then shy, self conscious teenage Michael and wonder how on earth anyone could hit him. He's so beautiful, how could his own father belittle him? I agree with you, there is no earthly reason. Talent and a desire to please were there to be cultivated, but not like that. Joe's treatment set Michael up for all the bad things that came later in his life. Because Joe didn't love and protect Michael, Micheal wanted to love and protect other boys, to give them what he hadn't received.

 
I'm sorry if this offends anyone but if Michael says it was so, that's good enough for me. I don't understand fans who defend Joe's actions.
 

 
exactly ... and this doesn't mean I accuse Joseph or anything. I just state my opinion on what I think it's right or wrong. And beating him has no earthly excuse, no reason. The fact that you are the father doesn't give you also the right to beat your son to death. Joseph was wrong. Very wrong...But what is done is done, unfortunately. But the fact that Michael could forgive him shows what an amazing and strong man he is.

The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naïve forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: ForstAMoon on September 06, 2011, 01:38:35 AM
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The cited letter is not far from stalking and is imposing the stalker's view on the stalked.
Stalkers are like druggies - insatiably dependent. I bet you could give them Michael in person and they would yellingly swallow the man and still ask for more.


Absolutely agree. Sin of pride speaks through them.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on September 06, 2011, 10:18:26 AM
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i really can't describe how angry i am after reading this letter, how did they say it "MODESTY IS A VIRTUE"? they write it but it doesn't count for them i guess.
I didn't like the word fan, now even less, because it's short for fanatic, but for them it's a really good name isn't?
They never new the man and i think they never will .....they only new his music, they hear him say things in the past but never really listened to what he has to say, otherwise they would.nt be attacking the family or more importend His Mother, who he loved and still loves.
I was thinking if they even considered Michael could read this, will they think Michael would be happy with this trash.
So no sorry for this fanatics for me,  >:(

 
 
I have also mentioned before, i don't like this word, neither its meaning
 
 
 
Quote
  Fanaticism is a passion that is exacerbated, excessive and persistent, particularly towards religious or political cause, or a pastime or hobby. It consists of a passionate and unconditional adhesion to a cause, an unrestrained enthusiasm and persistent obsession towards certain topics in stubborn way, sometimes indiscriminate and violent. Fanaticism may refer to any belief that is akin to a person or group. In extreme cases in which fanaticism overcomes rationality, can reach extremes dangerous and kill human beings or imprison them, and may include the desire to unconditional impose a belief as symptom, considered good for the fan or a group of them.

 
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanatismo (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanatismo)

just incase you think i didn't read your reply before, but i did read it, it's just i always said that to peolple i speak with and asking me if i am a fan.....i really don't like that word, so i guess we think alike on this one.
Title: Re: MJ TRIBUTE CONCERT Peace Treaty Offered to Angry Fans
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on September 06, 2011, 10:22:05 AM

Paula,
maybe i had to reffered to you i'm sorry i didn't.

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