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Title: TIAI September 11
Post by: Yambo3003 on September 10, 2011, 10:24:30 PM
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: bec on September 10, 2011, 10:39:50 PM
Popped it up on Facebook. I have been to this site before.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: BeTheChange on September 10, 2011, 10:46:09 PM
Fantastic redirect...right on the money.  Everyone, not just Americans, should spend some time on that website...and any other website offering a different perspective than the 'official story'...especially today/tomorrow (depending on where you are).

Thanks TS...you didn't say much...but you said a whole lot  ::P

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on September 10, 2011, 10:48:20 PM
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Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe who have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day based on solid data and facts -- since 9/11/2001 is the catalyst for many of the events shaping our world today -- and the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers or facts.

We stand with the numerous other growing organizations of Firefighters, Medical Professionals, Lawyers, Scholars, Military Officers, Veterans, Religious and Political Leaders, along side Survivors, family members of the victims -- family members of soldiers who have made the ultimate sacrifice -- including the many Ground Zero workers who are now ill or have passed away, when we ask for a true, new independent investigation into the events of 9/11. We do not accept the 9/11 Commission Report and/or "hypothesis" as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American has made and continues to make -- some more than others.

Thank you for taking the time to inform yourself.
- pilotsfor911truth.org
Thank you Yambo3003 and Thank you TS for bringing this to our attention.

As the events leading up to this day have been unfolding (earthquake on east coast, hurricane, and the timing of it all) it has been heavily on my mind that was not a coincedence. The timing of these events were planned. TPTB and their agenda did not go unnoticed by me. The trauma of reminding the world of the fateful day by continually showing the tragic event over and over opened up the masses for more pain. Then combine that wound with more traumatic events and it pisses me off to no end. I do not feel very patriotic to a country (USA) who slains it's own. I do not see the memorial as a good thing, I am angry. This needs to stop. The world is crying out for mercy.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 10, 2011, 10:49:02 PM
That's no surprise. Very informative site, with a huge forum full of info. Well worth the read.

I hope with all my heart that one day the whole world will know the truth and that those responsible for 9/11 will get exactly what they deserve. Same goes for all the other BS they fed us and the murders they commited. I can't wait for that day to happen.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 10, 2011, 11:02:34 PM
I can't remember but there is this doco about 9/11, now it isn't a conspiracy doco but these 2 guys followed the firefighters and captured the first plane hitting one of the towers and based on the footage and how everything was handled, nothing added up.

Also if the plane wasn't the cause of the twin towers falling straight down in a straight sequence we can probably say there were explosives, but when did they put, if any, explosives in the building? When they were starting to build it in 1966 (and I'm sure the President at the time would know this, like George W Bush knew this when the attack happened)...the President at the time was LBJ who took the place of JFK when he was assassinated...do you think he could of known something or was part of it?

It was opened in 73 (during Nixon's presidency)...now in a doco by Jesse Ventura about who killed JFK

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAIuHvWmIg[/youtube]

He found evidence that Nixon, George Bush etc were part of the plot to get rid of JFK...now Nixon was also the head of the Operation 40 (Bay of Pigs) and they were going to assassinate Fidel Castro, and they could of taken the plan and fit it to JFK.

I think all this connects with JFK.

P.S- Everyone should check out the Jesse Ventura Conspiracies on 9/11

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLhK0HeU6Q[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Yambo3003 on September 10, 2011, 11:09:48 PM
Here is the Full Film for: "9/11: Intercepted"


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6WSDxErgBE[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 10, 2011, 11:18:42 PM
Another interesting docu:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QukKjwLtI[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: BeTheChange on September 10, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
These are ALL great vids about 9/11 and there is a TON more out there.  Use this day to spread these vids and websites...through your twitter, facebook, hotmail, yahoo, and whatever else you subscribe to...spread them viral, like wildfire.  People need to wake up!  9/11 was a dress-rehearal...and the final act isn't too far away.
 
If you've come across any 9/11 vids with a different perspective than the 'official' story....please post them here.  I'd rather spend my 9/11 watching these vids with my children than those on the 'line-up' with mainstream media.  We will be indundated with 'media' coverage of 9/11 today...shut the TV off!!...you've heard enough of that 'version'.  Share another perspective with at least one other person...that's the ONLY way those thousands of souls who lost their lives that day will truly not have died in vain.
 
With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Adi on September 10, 2011, 11:50:24 PM
Very informative and interesting website to redirect to. Thanks TS.

I have just noticed something about the flight numbers which made my eyes go  afraid/      (and this might have been raised before – sorry if it has) but considering the links we have to Michael having had a meeting arranged at the top of one of the towers on 9/11 - look at the flight numbers of the aeroplanes and the prominence of these numbers in the hoax.

Flight 77 – 77 days (inclusive) between “death” and “resurrection” on 9/9

Flight 93 – the date of Michael’s “funeral” on 9/3

Flight 175 – Day 175 of the year is June 24th (in a non-leap year, as 2009 was) – the last night Michael was seen “alive”…maybe the night he escaped?

Flight 11 – again a link to the numerology (111)


I thought this was an interesting connection and perhaps Michael was trying to send us a message very early on in the hoax, by using the flight numbers as significant dates or numbers, about him being a target of TPTB on the day of 9/11 which he found out about?
 
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: bec on September 11, 2011, 12:13:59 AM
Just curious, has anyone been able to substantiate TS's claim that MJ was scheduled to be at a meeting at the top of WTC on 9/11? Documents, statements, anything?



Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on September 11, 2011, 12:19:54 AM
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Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe who have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day based on solid data and facts -- since 9/11/2001 is the catalyst for many of the events shaping our world today -- and the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers or facts.

We stand with the numerous other growing organizations of Firefighters, Medical Professionals, Lawyers, Scholars, Military Officers, Veterans, Religious and Political Leaders, along side Survivors, family members of the victims -- family members of soldiers who have made the ultimate sacrifice -- including the many Ground Zero workers who are now ill or have passed away, when we ask for a true, new independent investigation into the events of 9/11. We do not accept the 9/11 Commission Report and/or "hypothesis" as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American has made and continues to make -- some more than others.

Thank you for taking the time to inform yourself.
- pilotsfor911truth.org
Thank you Yambo3003 and Thank you TS for bringing this to our attention.

As the events leading up to this day have been unfolding (earthquake on east coast, hurricane, and the timing of it all) it has been heavily on my mind that was not a coincedence. The timing of these events were planned. TPTB and their agenda did not go unnoticed by me. The trauma of reminding the world of the fateful day by continually showing the tragic event over and over opened up the masses for more pain. Then combine that wound with more traumatic events and it pisses me off to no end. I do not feel very patriotic to a country (USA) who slains it's own. I do not see the memorial as a good thing, I am angry. This needs to stop. The world is crying out for mercy.


Talking about hurricane, well canada was hit by hurricane Irene, and also in today Vancouver had an earthquake of a magnitude of 6.8 and more. This is not funny anymore. I pray for all nations to be save and sound, no one should go through like New York did 9/11. May all the people who died  Rest in Peace.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: BeTheChange on September 11, 2011, 12:23:29 AM
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Just curious, has anyone been able to substantiate TS's claim that MJ was scheduled to be at a meeting at the top of WTC on 9/11? Documents, statements, anything?

Wasn't it La Toya's claim, initially...just 'highlighted' by TS?
 
With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Andrea on September 11, 2011, 12:30:03 AM
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Just curious, has anyone been able to substantiate TS's claim that MJ was scheduled to be at a meeting at the top of WTC on 9/11? Documents, statements, anything?

Wasn't it La Toya's claim, initially...just 'highlighted' by TS?
 
With L.O.V.E. always.

Yes, it's in La Toya's book.  I was like this  :shock: when I read it.

Hi TS!  I'm going to spend some time on that site tomorrow, I'm too tired right now to give it proper attention - thanks for the important and appropriate re-direct.

About the flight numbers, to me it tells me that numbers can be used for good and evil. 
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on September 11, 2011, 12:53:18 AM
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Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe who have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day based on solid data and facts -- since 9/11/2001 is the catalyst for many of the events shaping our world today -- and the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers or facts.

We stand with the numerous other growing organizations of Firefighters, Medical Professionals, Lawyers, Scholars, Military Officers, Veterans, Religious and Political Leaders, along side Survivors, family members of the victims -- family members of soldiers who have made the ultimate sacrifice -- including the many Ground Zero workers who are now ill or have passed away, when we ask for a true, new independent investigation into the events of 9/11. We do not accept the 9/11 Commission Report and/or "hypothesis" as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American has made and continues to make -- some more than others.

Thank you for taking the time to inform yourself.
- pilotsfor911truth.org
Thank you Yambo3003 and Thank you TS for bringing this to our attention.

As the events leading up to this day have been unfolding (earthquake on east coast, hurricane, and the timing of it all) it has been heavily on my mind that was not a coincedence. The timing of these events were planned. TPTB and their agenda did not go unnoticed by me. The trauma of reminding the world of the fateful day by continually showing the tragic event over and over opened up the masses for more pain. Then combine that wound with more traumatic events and it pisses me off to no end. I do not feel very patriotic to a country (USA) who slains it's own. I do not see the memorial as a good thing, I am angry. This needs to stop. The world is crying out for mercy.


Talking about hurricane, well canada was hit by hurricane Irene, and also in today Vancouver had an earthquake of a magnitude of 6.8 and more. This is not funny anymore. I pray for all nations to be save and sound, no one should go through like New York did 9/11. May all the people who died  Rest in Peace.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrkC7j0ISnM&feature=related[/youtube]

Thanks for telling me that. I hadn't a clue (slipped by my attention). This was on the west coast. I am in Oregon, the west would become a target at some point. /scream/
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Andrea on September 11, 2011, 01:24:46 AM
Another thought about La Toya mentioning Michael was supposed to be in a meeting at the WTC the morning of 9/11...whether this is true or not, it can illustrate a conspiracy against Michael.  I think there are a lot of people out there who question the official story of what happened on 9/11, definitely many more than right after it happened.  And TS did 9/11 re-directs back in late 2009.  If more people are questioning the official story and leaning towards a "conspiracy" (inside job) and they hear that Michael was supposed to be there that morning...you see where I'm going?  We know La Toya is in on the hoax so whether or not she tells the complete truth or not, her words have significant meaning, especially written.  In a roundabout way, she backs up TS and alludes to an assassination attempt on Michael by the TPTB since so many people give the official story the side-eye.  Michael was in New York that day, we know that much.  And "they" could've planned to use the numbers Michael has a penchant for against him, by the flight numbers.  Because we don't even know if these airliners even crashed into the WTC, they look more like drone planes to me, as they are grey planes with no markings.  And we should all know by now that it's been proven that no plane could've slammed into the Pentagon.  If "they" planned to kill Michael on 9/11, these numbers suddenly take on a huge significance - like a sacrificial killing on a huge scale because they are not only getting Michael, but a lot of other innocent people and make it into the biggest attack on U.S. soil.  We know they manipulate numbers so them seeing Michael wearing a "777" on his arm, seeing 7 in his art or videos could "inspire" them to have flight numbers 77 and 11.  I could be over speculating but it just seems like too much of a coincidence that 9/11 happened to have those flights numbers. 

This Is It is 111 minutes long and it's been mentioned before that the two I's in the title look like the WTC.  T II.  This Is It came out on October 28, 2009...has it been mentioned before that October 28, 2012 is will be exactly 1221 days since June 25, 2009?
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: onthewingsoflove on September 11, 2011, 01:49:30 AM
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Just curious, has anyone been able to substantiate TS's claim that MJ was scheduled to be at a meeting at the top of WTC on 9/11? Documents, statements, anything?

I do remember reading an article on the internet shortly after June 25, 2009 that mentioned how distraught Michael was concerning the 9/11 tragedy and that article did mention that Michael had a meeting scheduled at the WTC for that day but that he had cancelled it. I will search my bookmarks and the many articles that I have collected to see if I can find it again.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: onthewingsoflove on September 11, 2011, 01:56:05 AM
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These are ALL great vids about 9/11 and there is a TON more out there.  Use this day to spread these vids and websites...through your twitter, facebook, hotmail, yahoo, and whatever else you subscribe to...spread them viral, like wildfire.  People need to wake up!  9/11 was a dress-rehearal...and the final act isn't too far away.
 
If you've come across any 9/11 vids with a different perspective than the 'official' story....please post them here.  I'd rather spend my 9/11 watching these vids with my children than those on the 'line-up' with mainstream media.  We will be indundated with 'media' coverage of 9/11 today...shut the TV off!!...you've heard enough of that 'version'.  Share another perspective with at least one other person...that's the ONLY way those thousands of souls who lost their lives that day will truly not have died in vain.
 
With L.O.V.E. always.

Here is a link to a blog about MJ that has several videos on it, some related to 9/11 and one with this statement, "FOX News announces WTC Building 7  Collapse BEFORE it even occurs. This building WAS NOT hit by a plane."

http://xxserenityxdreamsxx.blogspot.com/2011/04/dont-sully-michael-jacksons-character_20.html (http://xxserenityxdreamsxx.blogspot.com/2011/04/dont-sully-michael-jacksons-character_20.html)

It's worth taking a look at.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: ovelias on September 11, 2011, 02:49:23 AM
goodmorning  :) wikilicks have realise documents for 11/09/2011 on twitter.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Adi on September 11, 2011, 03:10:09 AM
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Another thought about La Toya mentioning Michael was supposed to be in a meeting at the WTC the morning of 9/11...whether this is true or not, it can illustrate a conspiracy against Michael.  I think there are a lot of people out there who question the official story of what happened on 9/11, definitely many more than right after it happened.  And TS did 9/11 re-directs back in late 2009.  If more people are questioning the official story and leaning towards a "conspiracy" (inside job) and they hear that Michael was supposed to be there that morning...you see where I'm going?  We know La Toya is in on the hoax so whether or not she tells the complete truth or not, her words have significant meaning, especially written.  In a roundabout way, she backs up TS and alludes to an assassination attempt on Michael by the TPTB since so many people give the official story the side-eye.  Michael was in New York that day, we know that much.  And "they" could've planned to use the numbers Michael has a penchant for against him, by the flight numbers.  Because we don't even know if these airliners even crashed into the WTC, they look more like drone planes to me, as they are grey planes with no markings.  And we should all know by now that it's been proven that no plane could've slammed into the Pentagon.  If "they" planned to kill Michael on 9/11, these numbers suddenly take on a huge significance - like a sacrificial killing on a huge scale because they are not only getting Michael, but a lot of other innocent people and make it into the biggest attack on U.S. soil.  We know they manipulate numbers so them seeing Michael wearing a "777" on his arm, seeing 7 in his art or videos could "inspire" them to have flight numbers 77 and 11.  I could be over speculating but it just seems like too much of a coincidence that 9/11 happened to have those flights numbers. 

This Is It is 111 minutes long and it's been mentioned before that the two I's in the title look like the WTC.  T II.  This Is It came out on October 28, 2009...has it been mentioned before that October 28, 2012 is will be exactly 1221 days since June 25, 2009?

Great post Andrea...I see where you are going with it.
 
When I saw the flight numbers again (I had sort of forgotten what they were) it just jolted me into thinking how related they are to the numbers used in the hoax. As you say, LaToya wrote about the meeting at the top of one of the towers in her book...now whether she was telling us the complete truth or was just trying to guide us in the direction by her writing about it IDK. I hope we will though one day.
 
Is it just another of those "crazy coincidences" that those flight numbers are used in the hoax?.....I doubt it. It started with the 911 call being at 12:21 (the "end of the world" ...and to those poor souls who were killed and to the many witnessing the events on 9/11  it did appear it was the end of the world in a figurative sense as it was so horrendous). I think MJ included these numbers related to the day 9/11 in this hoax for a good reason.
 
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: MJonmind on September 11, 2011, 03:20:03 AM
It churns my stomache just being reminded of that horrid morning I will never forget, watching just after the planes hit, but the buildings not yet down. pale/

Thanks TS for the informative pilot created videos!

Here is a very good site with a ton of information.  And here are some excerpts. Notice like Michael they say Lilverstein "coincidentally" missed an appointment that day on the top floor of the building.  Also they refer to the buildings as, "Two aging dinosaurs". Remember the hoax talk of Elvis and MJ as dinosaurs?


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  http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/
Israeli Conspiracy Theory (ICT)

Motive behind 9/11

Realization of the goals as formulated in the policy paper Clean Break, as well as the realization of the goals of the Project of the New American Century. It all comes down to the strengthening of the American global supremacy by creating an excuse for obtaining a larger military presence in the Middle East where some 60 percent of the global oil reserves are located (PNAC-goal), as well as improvement of the geostrategic position of Israel by eliminating its most important enemies (Iraq, Iran, Syria –> Clean Break-goal). The link with oil explains why people like Dick Cheney were on-board, somebody who made his career in the oil business and perfectly understood that oil was becoming scarce in the near future ('peak-oil'). For the rest it would be a mistake to perceive a too-big-a-difference between the American and Jewish/Israeli interests, since the Jews constitute without competition the dominant class in the US, who hold all the levers to power: the visual and written media, the FED, Wallstreet, think tanks (AEI for instance), Hollywood, plus a large amount of organizations that cement the power of the Jews (AIPAC and ADL as important examples). The circumstance that de facto American politics (Dems plus Reps) is controlled by the Jews was until recently only said aloud by the extreme Right, now this insight starts to be realized by the Left as well, mainly because of the work of Mearsheimer and Walt (in the Netherlands brought under the attention by the leftwing broadcasting organization VPRO, see the English spoken 'Tegenlicht' documentary 'The Israel Lobby'). That the Iraq-war was initiated by the (Jewish dominated) Neocon-movement, is so obvious that almost nobody denies that anymore.

How 9/11 was done
According to Bollyn 9/11 was concipated in a small network of conspirators in New York, Washington, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. The central figures in that conspiracy were Silverstein, Olmert, Netanyahu, Atzmon, Dov Zakheim (my addition, via Dick Eastman) and many others and was carried out by the Mossad (responsible for the technical realization of the 9/11 operation, consisting in software-manipulation and placing of explosives in the 9/11 target buildings).


For a better understanding of all the links between people and organizations of the 9/11 Israeli crime network in the story that follows right click on the diagram below and open it in a different tab of your browser. Again, the diagram is based on the content of this story by Christopher Bollyn.

 

I will give a short summary of what Bollyn says about 9/11 and its perpetrators in that article, mixed with some speculations of my own and observations of others. The story by Bollyn is a very interesting read (some 40 page's if printed out)

The 9/11-plan originated in a handful of Israeli brains: Isser Harel with his fixation on the WTC-towers, Dov Zakheim with his knowledge of remote control and the motive to stop the Pentagon-audit regarding the missing 2 trillion dollar (this idea I have from Dick Eastman, see further below), and Netanyahu and Olmert with their Clean-Break-fixation.

Directly after 9/11 it was the dual passport holder Michael Chertoff, who from his position as Asst. Attorney General within the ministry of Justice could quietly get rid of several suspects of 9/11 and get them out of the country without prosecution. More specifically the Israelis that got arrested near the Holland Tunnel.

The early indications of Israeli involvement followed from the story of the 5 dancing Israelis as well as the Odigo warning messages, addressed at the Jewish WTC-employees.

Main players

PTech was a company whose employees had been present in the basement of the FAA two years prior to 9/11. This enabled PTech like no other to manipulate the software of the FAA

Bollyn discovered in 2005 that PTech was a hidden Israeli intelligence operation. This was a key discovery. It was this discovery that helped to unmask other key figures in the Israeli network

Michael Goff, an Israeli lawyer, was the key person within PTech, when it was founded in 1994. Later Goff worked for Guardium, an Israeli software-firm with links to military intelligence services. This is the crucial connection (PTech –> Goff –> Guardium) that was helpful to uncover the larger Israeli military network that was behind the events of 9/11.

Through the connection that Goff formed between PTech and Guardium we can see how a complex network of senior officers of the Israeli military intelligence service can all be connected with key elements of 9/11. This connection explains also how manipulated software ended up on sensitive American government- and military computer networks.

The role that Goff played within PTech consisted of buying software for PTech and sales of enterprise software developed within PTech. Later Goff joined Guardium, a company that formed a branch of the research and development department of the Israeli air force. Guardium is a spin-off of Log-On Software, founded by major Gil Migdan (Israeli marine) en Joseph Segev (see diagram).

Another founder and director of Guardium is Amit Yoran, an Israeli who became manager for computer security of the Pentagon. After 9/11 he was appointed by GW Bush to cyber security czar for the ministry of Homeland Security. Yoran was charged with the design of a security architecture for the Pentagon. Rather significant: Yoran has carried out doctoral research on the field of Intrusion Detection Technologies. He was therefor perfectly acquainted with the field of spy software.
The link between Goff and the Israeli army dates probably from before 1994, when he suddenly abandoned his lawyer practice and started working for PTech.

In all probability Goff’s relationship with the founders of Guardium was the channel through which Israeli spy software was delivered to PTech. In other words: Goff was the link between the Israelis military programmers and the computer networks of the American army.

At the same time as Goff worked for PTech, did Yoran work for the Pentagon and designed its computer security. From this position Yoran was ideally placed to install the software developed by PTech on the critical hardware of the American army. The links between Goff, PTech, Guardium and Amit Yoran gives a logical explanation for the way Israeli spy software ended up on those systems.

Next Bollyn mentions amongst others that the Israeli firm Amdocs is an example of an Israeli company that is being run by senior officers of the Mossad.

Bollyn mentions the 27-year old Lieutenant Peer Segalovitz as a demolition expert, who supposedly has been the leader of the team that placed the explosives in the WTC-complex.

Another rather crucial connection is the one between Jeremy Kroll, who occupies a position at the advisory board of Security Growth Partners (SGP), led by Elad Yoran. SGP is a venture capital company. This Elad fellow is a brother of Amit Yoran mentioned earlier. Why is this connection crucial? Because with it a link is being established between Kroll Associates, the firm responsible for the security of the WTC-complex and the world of software manipulators via Amit Yoran. See the diagram!

The firm Kroll was hired after the WTC-bomb attacks of 1993 with the goal to reinstall security. A fatal decision. When one accepts that the WTC-buildings were blown up, then it becomes clear that the security of the building complex is high on your suspect list. It was precisely in the computer room of Kroll in the north tower, where the first plane struck (precision guided). The managing director of Kroll was Jerome Hauer and he had this position between 1993 and 9/11. Earlier Hauer was the director of mayor Giuliani’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM), where he was the driving force o build a command bunker for OEM in WTC-7. It is obvious that the explosives with which the WTC-1/2/7 were blown up could never have ended up in the towers if the security had been part of the conspiracy.

Then there is the relationship between Jules Kroll (the father of Jeremy) and Silverstein, i.e. between the security firm and the owner of the WTC-complex. They have known each other from the Citizens Budget Commission of New York. The wife of Jules Kroll knew Silverstein via the United Jewish Appeal Federation of New York, the largest fund raiser for the state of Israel. These are two distinct possibilities of how Kroll and Silverstein could have known each other.

Then comes the last step: the link between WTC security and the demolition experts of the Israeli army. The link between them is Maurice Greenberg. As an aside, this guy Greenberg was in the news last month, when his firm AIG, the worlds largest insurer, acquired billions from his buddies in the government, as part of the overall Wallstreet bailout scheme. To make a long story short, it was through the connections with Kroll and Greenberg that Mossad-demolition experts got control over the WTC en thus were able to carry out 9/11. The planes were hijacked by remote control.
More on 9/11 motives

The essence of the motive behind 9/11 was to copy Pearl Harbor. In the american psyche Pearl Harbor is linked to something positive. Pearl Harbor was the catalyst that helped overcome America's dominant isolationist tendencies. It represented the mobilisation of the american people to unite in a battle against an external enemy. Pearl Harbor is symbolic for the most glorious victory America ever achieved. It represents the transformation of provincial backwater USA into global super power nr 1.

The idea behind 9/11 was to copy the Pearl Harbor succes story to initiate the final transformation of global superpower into the global hegemon, challenged by none. 9/11 was motivated by nothing less than an attempt to a global coup d'état.

The cynical criminal intent of the zionist 9/11 perpetrators was to create a number of victims comparable to the scale of Pearl Harbor in order to achieve a comparable mobilising effect.

With regard to Pearl Harbor and 9/11 the saying: 'the first time a tragedy, the second time a farce' applies unrestricted. Too many people see through the farce that 9/11 was, thanks mainly to the internet, the worst thing ever happened to the American Zionists, since it circumvented their media monopoly, a fact possibly not entirely appreciated in 2001, when the web was only 5 years old. 9/11 will prove to be the turning point in zionist power in America. The open question is how it will come to an end?

Ron Paul put it like this: Amazingly, Ledeen calls Pearl Harbor a 'lucky' event. The Project for a New American Century, as recently as September 2000, likewise, foresaw the need for 'a Pearl Harbor event' that would galvanize the American people to support their ambitious plans to ensure political and economic domination of the world, while strangling any potential 'rival.'

It was the zionist Ledeen who proposed that America every now and then should throw a 'crappy little country' against the wall to make clear to the rest of the world that America means business.

America is ruled by criminals but not much longer. People like Ledeen better stay clear of massive walls themselves.

Prior knowledge of 9/11 attacks overheard in Hebrew
See Muckraker report:
What the observer of these happenings heard beneath him after the normal niceties were exchanged between the three men alarmed him. The man who arrived in the Town Car said, “The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September.” One of the men that had been leaning against the retaining wall expressed concerns regarding whether the upcoming presidential election (November 2000) between Bush / Cheney and Gore / Lieberman could impact the plans. The man that arrived in the Town Car pacified the doubts by saying, “Don’t worry, we have people in high places and no matter who gets elected, they will take care of everything.”
In addition to overhearing in Hebrew, the statements, “The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September”, and “Don’t worry, we have people in high places and no matter who gets elected, they will take care of everything”, the source also reports that he overheard one of the three men in the Gomel Chesed Cemetery say, “The Arabs are so stupid. They don’t even imagine that we are using them.”


Lucky Larry Silverstein

Link.
Larry Silverstein began spending every morning at the World Trade Center shortly after he inked a 99-year deal to operate the complex in July 2001. The New York developer would have breakfast at Windows on the World, the restaurant on the 107th floor of the North tower, and then meet for several hours with tenants. But on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, he was at home, dressing for a doctor's appointment his wife had made for him, instead of at his usual table at Windows. "I had said to my wife, sweetheart, cancel my doctor's appointment. I have so much to do at the Trade Center," he recalls. "She got very upset and told me I had to go. As it turns out, that saved my life."

Lucky Larry decided that a visit to the doctor that fateful morning was probably better for his health and pulled the breakfast. Larry knows instinctively what's good for him.

But that was not all... both his daughter and son were also absent according to the Observer:

After a last-minute breakdown in the front-running bid, Mr. Silverstein's team won by a hair. His son, Roger, and his daughter, Lisa, were working for him in temporary offices on the 88th floor of the W.T.C. north tower. Regular meetings with tenants in the weeks immediately following their July 26, 2001, takeover of the building were held each morning at Windows on the World. But on Sept. 11, Roger and Lisa Silverstein were running late. Meanwhile, Mr. Silverstein's wife of 46 years had laid down the law: The developer could not cancel an appointment with his dermatologist, even to meet with tenants at his most important property. If the attack had happened just a little later, Mr. Silverstein's children would likely have been trapped at Windows. As it was, Silverstein Properties lost four employees in the attack, two of whom had just recently been hired.

Larry to the doctor and his son and daughter 'running late'. Quite a coincidence. Anybody who believes these 'coincidences'?

Not only did Silverstein and his family miraculously survive the ordeal of 9/11; he made a hansom profit from it as well. With remarkable foresight he insured his newly acquired buildings against terrorist attacks. From a mere lessee he morphed into the developer of 3 of the 5 newly build towers, to be completed in 2012.

According to Newsweek: "Since September 11, New York real-estate mogul Larry Silverstein, 70, has been in the headlines as the man who "owns" a 99-year lease on all the space at the World Trade Center and is now at the center of the debate over what to rebuild there. What Silverstein actually owns is an 11 percent share of that lease for which he paid about $14 million. Using cash from other investors (who own the other 89 percent) and hundreds of millions more in borrowings, he bought the lease in late July 2001, from the Port"

So Silverstein initially only paid a lousy $14 million. The NY Post (not really an anti-semitic rag), writes in may 2007: "So far, Silverstein has tapped the $2.55 billion received from insurance money to pay about $700 million in rent due under his lease to the PA.".

Subtract some $700 million rent, leaving an overall hansom profit of $1.8 billion. And just wait until Lucky Larry receives his future 90 years of revenues, no longer from an asbestos ridden worthless aging dinosaur (quoting Richard Gage) but from a brand new WTC complex.

Regarding the 'worthless aging dinosaur': "In 1989 - there were plans to erect scaffolding and disassemble the WTC towers and rebuild them. Cost projection was around $5.6 billion. One of the architects shows up to work one day and the MIB's were there - had confiscated all of the plans, specs, details, etc for WTC. They even confiscated their office cubicles and had tape on the floor outlining where they went. Reason - the exterior cast aluminum WTC panels had been directly connected to the steel superstructure of the building, thus causing galvanic corrosion. In short, the "life cycle" of the WTC was not 200 - 300 years, more like 30 years or so."
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 11, 2011, 06:58:30 AM
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That's no surprise. Very informative site, with a huge forum full of info. Well worth the read.

I hope with all my heart that one day the whole world will know the truth and that those responsible for 9/11 will get exactly what they deserve. Same goes for all the other BS they fed us and the murders they commited. I can't wait for that day to happen.

Same, some if not most people think it's an inside job, now were just waiting for it to all come out. I hope EVERYTHING they have ever done EVERYWHERE will come out, the truth might be buried but it always somehow or will somehow come out.

But what I don't get is how they did it, if there were explosives in the building when they were building it why was there nothing found in the rubble after the towers came down?
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: SimPattyK on September 11, 2011, 07:52:14 AM
Elvis, Michael, Prince ... they KNEW and they warned us!
Check out this topic :
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20334.msg352809.html#msg352809



MJ & Elvis clues ~ NWO & The mysterious number 11 - http://www.facebook.com/notes/mj-elvis-are-alive-mj-lisa-the-secret/mj-elvis-clues-nwo-the-mysterious-number-11/214952698561755



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFEgEwrkutQ&feature=related[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQs3rJHaJ54&feature=share[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: TheRunningGirl on September 11, 2011, 08:48:59 AM
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Very informative and interesting website to redirect to. Thanks TS.

I have just noticed something about the flight numbers which made my eyes go  afraid/      (and this might have been raised before – sorry if it has) but considering the links we have to Michael having had a meeting arranged at the top of one of the towers on 9/11 - look at the flight numbers of the aeroplanes and the prominence of these numbers in the hoax.

Flight 77 – 77 days (inclusive) between “death” and “resurrection” on 9/9

Flight 93 – the date of Michael’s “funeral” on 9/3

Flight 175 – Day 175 of the year is June 24th (in a non-leap year, as 2009 was) – the last night Michael was seen “alive”…maybe the night he escaped?

Flight 11 – again a link to the numerology (111)


I thought this was an interesting connection and perhaps Michael was trying to send us a message very early on in the hoax, by using the flight numbers as significant dates or numbers, about him being a target of TPTB on the day of 9/11 which he found out about?
 

I totally agree with you Adi, the numbers are telling a story! Also London bombings happened on 7/7/2005 (7/7/7) and we know how much London/Britain has been and still is an on-going theme in "T II"; also the memorial took lace on 7/7/2009 (77/11). Jermaine twitted yesterday about the British theme and it is hardly a surprise that his book signing starts in London in a book shop that was opened exactly 333years after the Great London FIRE (9/2/1666).
You may also remember the thread about the Sacred Light Codes (SLCs) where a "Michael" talks about Sacred Light codes on a numerology site called "Riding The Beast". He says there that 117,171, 711, 77 are the SACRED LIGHT CODES of our times...and makes many other interesting statements!
Reference: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,18786.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,18786.0.html)

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goodmorning  :) wikilicks have realise documents for 11/09/2011 on twitter.
Hey Ovelias! Yes! WikiLeaks is twitting transcripts of intercepts that took place on the day of 9/11. 
Reference: https://twitter.com/#!/wikileaks (https://twitter.com/#!/wikileaks)

And here is a video of Prince appearing to Predict 9/11 at a concert in Utrecht in 1998 -- Watch at 0:29:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvm2zOBMVa4[/youtube]

With L.O.V.E
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: paula-c on September 11, 2011, 11:15:22 AM
Another anniversary of this terrible event and a reminder of what those who govern the world behind the presidents are capable of doing, attack their own people, ..George Bush what you can sleep in peace? And all the people responsible for this?, in the hands of monsters that we are all?, that God protect us
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: GINAFELICIA on September 11, 2011, 12:52:06 PM
Thank you TS for the redirect.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Sarahli on September 11, 2011, 01:01:55 PM
You know it sickens me to know that 10 years after, those who committed this crime and many others that followed have not the slightest fear of being convicted ever.  >:(

But I know they will!

The factory of lies is at full speed broadcasting this "commemoration" in all parts of the globe as a way to indoctrinate the masses and imprint once more in the collective consciousness that 9/11 can happen any day and by means of fear let the people off guard when it's time to remove more freedoms and destroy more countries.

Knowledge really is freedom and soon enough the truth will be made known forcibly.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: MJonmind on September 11, 2011, 02:13:23 PM
My worry is are they preparing for the next 9/11  times 7 perhaps on a global scale, that none of us are prepared for.  Is there anybody that can stop them? Is the media's 10th ann. blitz right now, trying to rub it in our faces that they can do what they want regardless of our puny attempts to expose them.  Do they have an achilles heel? Does Michael know what it is?

Quote
Front
A TRUE chess player always foresees the moves of his opponent(s) and, therefore, can OUT-THINK them before they have a chance to execute their so-called "strategic" plan. In THIS instance, there will only be one true King calling "checkmate". Watch the pawns scatter like spiders.....................

Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Grace on September 11, 2011, 02:24:05 PM
Another important link not to be missed:

http://ae911truth.org/en/ (http://ae911truth.org/en/)

The propaganda these days was sick.
As if we would have a party ahead. Countdown to the New Year or alike. Bah.

May the victims rest in peace.
TDCAU.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on September 11, 2011, 02:45:43 PM
Thanks everyone for the links- i hope the truth is seen by the masses one day.
It takes years maybe decades before truth is seen, accepted and understood by the masses.
People aren't comfortable with thinking on their own! We leave our mother's wombs unwillingly and
a lot of us never abandon that mentality. But there are those of us who learn to walk on our own, and then run!
 
Hopefully the rest of the world takes a few steps outside of their bubble and joins us.
 
 
 
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Kristina4LOVE on September 11, 2011, 02:59:48 PM
I can't believe my own eyes, right now on the main Russian channel "First channel" in the news they were talking about the conspiracy behind 9/11!!! afraid/  First they were telling the "official" story and i was like, yeah here we go again terrorists, Osama Bin Laden blah blah blah. But then they started talking about the powerful "group of people" (they didn't mention the name) who might be behind it. They mentioned all the main things which do not go with the official story, how US federal agencies and military failed to protect their own people, even though they knew about the danger. If the American government did not plan this attack on it's own people, they sure failed to stop these air plains, even though they had more then enough time to do so. They also said (according to my memory) "HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL SOON REALIZE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ON THAT TRAGIC DAY AND IT WON'T BE TOO LATE. BECAUSE THE DESTRUCTIVE MECHANISM WHICH WAS PUT IN MOTION ON THAT DAY STILL IS IN IT'S FULL POWER."
I've seen some late night documentaries about 9/11 on this channel, but talk about conspiracy openly like that on the NEWS, NEVER!     
Title: IMPORTAN
Post by: ovelias on September 11, 2011, 03:30:23 PM
SORRY I NO IS AOUT OF TOPIC BUT I AM afraid/ . IN THE NEWS IN YOURS COUNTRYS HAVE ENY OF YOU LISENT SAMETHING ABOUT  THE DISAGRIMENT BETWIN ISRAEL AND TURKY; I JUST WARRY THAT SAMETHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I AM AFRAID IT WILL INVOLT CYPRUS TO. THE ONLY THING I NOW IS THE ARGUMENT. BUT ALL NO THAT TURK NOT STAY ONLY IN TALK THEY ACT TO.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 11, 2011, 04:45:30 PM
William Wagener talked about Michael and the WTC long before LaToya’s book.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: RK on September 11, 2011, 06:01:58 PM
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I can't believe my own eyes, right now on the main Russian channel "First channel" in the news they were talking about the conspiracy behind 9/11!!! afraid/  First they were telling the "official" story and i was like, yeah here we go again terrorists, Osama Bin Laden blah blah blah. But then they started talking about the powerful "group of people" (they didn't mention the name) who might be behind it. They mentioned all the main things which do not go with the official story, how US federal agencies and military failed to protect their own people, even though they knew about the danger. If the American government did not plan this attack on it's own people, they sure failed to stop these air plains, even though they had more then enough time to do so. They also said (according to my memory) "HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL SOON REALIZE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ON THAT TRAGIC DAY AND IT WON'T BE TOO LATE. BECAUSE THE DESTRUCTIVE MECHANISM WHICH WAS PUT IN MOTION ON THAT DAY STILL IS IN IT'S FULL POWER."
I've seen some late night documentaries about 9/11 on this channel, but talk about conspiracy openly like that on the NEWS, NEVER!     
Conspiracy theorists about 9/11 were mentioned in the coverage here in Australia as well. They showed protesters holding placards demanding the truth to be told. Perhaps because so many people now are beginning to question, the news stations were forced to address this. Although not much air time was given, they didn't make them out to be lunatics or insane people. Just everyday people who are very very upset.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: mjj4ever777 on September 11, 2011, 06:31:19 PM
Thanks for the re-direct TS!...I highly recommend that everyone take a look at the forum on the site that TS has directed us to! I have been reading for hours now, and even though I was convinced that 911 was an "inside job" before reading, I'm even more convinced now!

God Bless all the victims of 911, and by that I mean God Bless all of "US", as we are ALL victims of this conspiracy!

Blessings Love and Light to all of my dear sweet MJ Family! bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: paula-c on September 11, 2011, 08:30:27 PM
11-S message of Obama

 i am not liking ... :?

Quote
God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Therefore, we will not fear, even though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea.
Though its waters roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with its swelling, there’s a river whose streams shall make glad
the City of God; the holy place of the Tabernacle of the Most High.
God is in the midst of her.
She shall not be moved.
God shall help her just at the break of dawn.
The nations raged, the kingdoms were moved.
He uttered his voice.
The earth melted.
The Lord of Hosts is with us.
The God of Jacob is our refuge.
Come behold the works of the Lord, has made desolations in the Earth.
He makes wars cease to the ends of the Earth.
He breaks the bough and cuts the spear in two.
He burns the chariot in fire.
Be still and know that I am God.
I will be exalted among the nations.
I will be exalted in the Earth.
The Lord of Hosts is with us.
The God of Jacob is our refuge.



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_jcb4m07w&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]












http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_jcb4m07w&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Adi on September 11, 2011, 08:37:36 PM
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Very informative and interesting website to redirect to. Thanks TS.

I have just noticed something about the flight numbers which made my eyes go  afraid/      (and this might have been raised before – sorry if it has) but considering the links we have to Michael having had a meeting arranged at the top of one of the towers on 9/11 - look at the flight numbers of the aeroplanes and the prominence of these numbers in the hoax.

Flight 77 – 77 days (inclusive) between “death” and “resurrection” on 9/9

Flight 93 – the date of Michael’s “funeral” on 9/3

Flight 175 – Day 175 of the year is June 24th (in a non-leap year, as 2009 was) – the last night Michael was seen “alive”…maybe the night he escaped?

Flight 11 – again a link to the numerology (111)


I thought this was an interesting connection and perhaps Michael was trying to send us a message very early on in the hoax, by using the flight numbers as significant dates or numbers, about him being a target of TPTB on the day of 9/11 which he found out about?
 

I totally agree with you Adi, the numbers are telling a story! Also London bombings happened on 7/7/2005 (7/7/7) and we know how much London/Britain has been and still is an on-going theme in "T II"; also the memorial took lace on 7/7/2009 (77/11). Jermaine twitted yesterday about the British theme and it is hardly a surprise that his book signing starts in London in a book shop that was opened exactly 333years after the Great London FIRE (9/2/1666).
You may also remember the thread about the Sacred Light Codes (SLCs) where a "Michael" talks about Sacred Light codes on a numerology site called "Riding The Beast". He says there that 117,171, 711, 77 are the SACRED LIGHT CODES of our times...and makes many other interesting statements!
Reference: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,18786.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,18786.0.html)

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goodmorning  :) wikilicks have realise documents for 11/09/2011 on twitter.
Hey Ovelias! Yes! WikiLeaks is twitting transcripts of intercepts that took place on the day of 9/11. 
Reference: https://twitter.com/#!/wikileaks (https://twitter.com/#!/wikileaks)

And here is a video of Prince appearing to Predict 9/11 at a concert in Utrecht in 1998 -- Watch at 0:29:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvm2zOBMVa4[/youtube]

With L.O.V.E


Thanks RunningGirl.
Wow - I had seen that  clip by Prince before but ages ago. Seeing/hearing it again is just too freaky....shivers up my spine.
Also - yes the London bombing date, the Memorial date and the links with London are also important and again the same numbers used throught the hoax. I really think Michael is using these to get a message to us about the evilness of what really happened on 9/11 and also 7/7/2005 (777). I have read the thread on the SLC's and read "Riding the Beast" numerology site - really very interesting and fascinating. I haven't read it for a while though so I will put it on my to-do list :)
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Andrea on September 11, 2011, 08:51:53 PM
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11-S message of Obama

 i am not liking ... :?

Quote
God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Therefore, we will not fear, even though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea.
Though its waters roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with its swelling, there’s a river whose streams shall make glad
the City of God; the holy place of the Tabernacle of the Most High.
God is in the midst of her.
She shall not be moved.
God shall help her just at the break of dawn.
The nations raged, the kingdoms were moved.
He uttered his voice.
The earth melted.
The Lord of Hosts is with us.
The God of Jacob is our refuge.
Come behold the works of the Lord, has made desolations in the Earth.
He makes wars cease to the ends of the Earth.
He breaks the bough and cuts the spear in two.
He burns the chariot in fire.
Be still and know that I am God.
I will be exalted among the nations.
I will be exalted in the Earth.
The Lord of Hosts is with us.
The God of Jacob is our refuge.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_jcb4m07w&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_jcb4m07w&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_jcb4m07w&feature=player_embedded)

 WTF??   I don't like this either paula.  It seems very foreboding and strange for the President to say this on the 10 year anniversary.  And to use God's name... it just makes me uncomfortable.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: paula-c on September 11, 2011, 09:00:20 PM
 
 
 
Remember to Bil Cooper
 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA)
 
 
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: paula-c on September 11, 2011, 09:04:18 PM
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11-S message of Obama

 i am not liking ... :?

Quote
God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Therefore, we will not fear, even though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea.
Though its waters roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with its swelling, there’s a river whose streams shall make glad
the City of God; the holy place of the Tabernacle of the Most High.
God is in the midst of her.
She shall not be moved.
God shall help her just at the break of dawn.
The nations raged, the kingdoms were moved.
He uttered his voice.
The earth melted.
The Lord of Hosts is with us.
The God of Jacob is our refuge.
Come behold the works of the Lord, has made desolations in the Earth.
He makes wars cease to the ends of the Earth.
He breaks the bough and cuts the spear in two.
He burns the chariot in fire.
Be still and know that I am God.
I will be exalted among the nations.
I will be exalted in the Earth.
The Lord of Hosts is with us.
The God of Jacob is our refuge.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_jcb4m07w&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_jcb4m07w&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9_jcb4m07w&feature=player_embedded)

 WTF??   I don't like this either paula.  It seems very foreboding and strange for the President to say this on the 10 year anniversary.  And to use God's name... it just makes me uncomfortable.

 
 
 
Use to God for their diabolical plans
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Grace on September 11, 2011, 09:10:06 PM
TV channels were running up and down day and night "documentaries" which showed terrorized people and heros cut together. Interesting that one of the journalists claiming in a later interview she had been in the midst of the dust storm was clean as a freshly bathed baby when she reported on 9/11.
Interesting also that conspiracy theories and their content were addressed many times very directly mentioning "Jews, CIA, governments, controlled demolition" and immediately ridiculed the ideas stating that "there was no proof" of explosives, demolition, surviving hijackers and that all these thoughts would be just absurd.

Hear hear.
Barking dogs don't bite.
But barking dogs have discovered there's something to bark at. Directly leading the way.
Thank you for these confirmations, all of you reporters of the mind-controlled media.
There is proof. For everyone to read and see.

Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 12, 2011, 01:09:15 AM
Well next year it will be the 11th anniversary...so who knows what might happen then...could they plan another 'attack'...and GWB being at the memorial site is SICK, how can he go there and not be ashamed, how can he pretend to be sorry or sad and show his face there when he was part of the reason why all these innocent people died...he has SO MUCH blood on his hands that every time he washes it, it will NEVER be made clean...he makes me sick. 

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Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: mjfansince4 on September 12, 2011, 01:56:29 AM
it just makes me want to put my head in my hands and cry. it's just so wrong. it's like all you want to do is get up on a platform and yell at the masses to wake the fuck up. poor michael and everyone else who has been trying to tell people for years. God help us hear the message now.

may all the lives lost, those etched in stone and those unknown, rest peacefully. they didn't deserve what happened to them, but they will never be forgotten.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: MJonmind on September 12, 2011, 03:03:55 AM
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11-S message of Obama

 i am not liking ... :?

Quote
God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Therefore, we will not fear, even though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea.
Though its waters roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with its swelling, there’s a river whose streams shall make glad
the City of God; the holy place of the Tabernacle of the Most High.
God is in the midst of her.
She shall not be moved.
God shall help her just at the break of dawn.
The nations raged, the kingdoms were moved.
He uttered his voice.
The earth melted.
The Lord of Hosts is with us.
The God of Jacob is our refuge.
Come behold the works of the Lord, has made desolations in the Earth.
He makes wars cease to the ends of the Earth.
He breaks the bough and cuts the spear in two.
He burns the chariot in fire.
Be still and know that I am God.
I will be exalted among the nations.
I will be exalted in the Earth.
The Lord of Hosts is with us.
The God of Jacob is our refuge.

That's Psalm 46. I agree it's an ominous thing for Obama to quote on 911, 10th ann.
The City of God is Jerusalem.   http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp194.htm   

911 was carried out by those who feel that Israel has enemies that want to "wipe them off the map". So Obama is speaking on their behalf, to say that God is helping her (God in the midst of Jerusalem) by bringing desolations and melting the earth. When God causes war to cease is when God will be exalted through Jerusalem and God's chosen people the Jews. All except, these Jews are imposters, userping God's true chosen people/Israelites--namely the Afro-American's that are descendants of the slaves for 400 years taken from Israelite tribes in Africa, mostly by Jewish financiers and Jewish slave ship owners (much written on that).  And plus the Bible clearly states that Jerusalem will be totally destroyed a third time, in the end times (Revelation). The Jews think they will rule the world from Jerusalem with the goyim (us non-Jews) serving them. But there will be a battle, and they will lose according to Scripture, and the true One and his people will rule the earth with love, justice and a rod of iron (old Testament), although I interpret this all rather loosely. This is all one small chapter of the epic thousands of years old drama on the world stage, that God is producer/director of. JMO
 
Wiki-leaks apparantly did not mention specifically only Israel in their exposes. And if Russia, Austrailia and other countries do mention the alternative versions of 911 in their offical media news, then they will point fingers squarely at US, but not at Israel who are the true perpetrators of this crime and many far worse this century, under cover of the biggest lies the world has known. Even Alex Jones who is thought to be misinformation, doesn't include Israel in his accusations for 911 perpetrators.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: 2good2btrue on September 12, 2011, 09:14:00 AM
Going back to the 33 clues in TII.........Some pictures in comparison...
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: 2good2btrue on September 12, 2011, 09:26:02 AM
And lets not forget MJ airplane........

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5wuq70olFk[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: bec on September 12, 2011, 09:35:42 AM
You can't say every depiction of a city skyline or of an airplane that MJ used was a reference to 9/11.


I don't think I will ever believe 2 modern skyscrapers collapsed straight down in their footprints due to fire and loss of support beams at the top. It just defies the laws of logic and it amazes me that more people don't ask questions.


85% sheep to slaughter, most certainly. "We" will buy anything they are selling, clearly.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: RK on September 12, 2011, 10:41:08 AM
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Wiki-leaks apparantly did not mention specifically only Israel in their exposes. And if Russia, Austrailia and other countries do mention the alternative versions of 911 in their offical media news, then they will point fingers squarely at US, but not at Israel who are the true perpetrators of this crime and many far worse this century, under cover of the biggest lies the world has known. Even Alex Jones who is thought to be misinformation, doesn't include Israel in his accusations for 911 perpetrators.
This got me thinking that you are right about the finger pointing being at the U.S. only. I have read of NWO's plans that America's days of being the world's superpower are coming fast to an end. This could be the vehicle 'THEY' use to usher in that change. The blame for 9/11 and the global financial crisis would put the final nail in that coffin.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Kristina4LOVE on September 12, 2011, 02:41:22 PM
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Wiki-leaks apparantly did not mention specifically only Israel in their exposes. And if Russia, Austrailia and other countries do mention the alternative versions of 911 in their offical media news, then they will point fingers squarely at US, but not at Israel who are the true perpetrators of this crime and many far worse this century, under cover of the biggest lies the world has known. Even Alex Jones who is thought to be misinformation, doesn't include Israel in his accusations for 911 perpetrators.
This got me thinking that you are right about the finger pointing being at the U.S. only. I have read of NWO's plans that America's days of being the world's superpower are coming fast to an end. This could be the vehicle 'THEY' use to usher in that change. The blame for 9/11 and the global financial crisis would put the final nail in that coffin.

In Russian news they did not blame US government for the inside job, they blamed "a powerful group of people". The only thing they said about US government is that military and federal agencies failed to prevent these attacks even though they knew it was coming and on that day they had plenty of time to stop the airliners. But you are right, they did not say anything about Israel, they didn't give any specific details about this "group of people". And they didn't make fun of conspiracy theorists as most media worldwide does.
For me this is a HUGE step! It took them 10 years to talk about it and i hope that they won't stop. 
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: PureLove on September 13, 2011, 06:36:16 AM
Thank you for the redirect TS. That's a very informative site and forum.

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Very informative and interesting website to redirect to. Thanks TS.

I have just noticed something about the flight numbers which made my eyes go  afraid/      (and this might have been raised before – sorry if it has) but considering the links we have to Michael having had a meeting arranged at the top of one of the towers on 9/11 - look at the flight numbers of the aeroplanes and the prominence of these numbers in the hoax.

Flight 77 – 77 days (inclusive) between “death” and “resurrection” on 9/9

Flight 93 – the date of Michael’s “funeral” on 9/3

Flight 175 – Day 175 of the year is June 24th (in a non-leap year, as 2009 was) – the last night Michael was seen “alive”…maybe the night he escaped?

Flight 11 – again a link to the numerology (111)


I thought this was an interesting connection and perhaps Michael was trying to send us a message very early on in the hoax, by using the flight numbers as significant dates or numbers, about him being a target of TPTB on the day of 9/11 which he found out about?

Very good post Adi and I agree with you totally. It can not be a coincidence that Michael chose those dates. Amazing find.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: PureLove on September 13, 2011, 06:38:43 AM
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Another important link not to be missed:

http://ae911truth.org/en/ (http://ae911truth.org/en/)

The propaganda these days was sick.
As if we would have a party ahead. Countdown to the New Year or alike. Bah.

May the victims rest in peace.
TDCAU.

 afraid/  pale/
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: chappie on September 13, 2011, 07:08:28 AM
I would swear on the bible if i walked on the moon.
And give the 5000 to charity.
Scientifically they couldn't have done it back then.
Makes you wonder why they didn't go right back....
Probably too hard to hoax a 2nd time.
Conclusion?
I make it easy for you....
You can send a robot to the moon...
Not man....
 /white flag/


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJZCcpuk3EY[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqfH7iK51HQ&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: paula-c on September 13, 2011, 09:19:00 AM
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11-S message of Obama

 i am not liking ... :?

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God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Therefore, we will not fear, even though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea.
Though its waters roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with its swelling, there’s a river whose streams shall make glad
the City of God; the holy place of the Tabernacle of the Most High.
God is in the midst of her.
She shall not be moved.
God shall help her just at the break of dawn.
The nations raged, the kingdoms were moved.
He uttered his voice.
The earth melted.
The Lord of Hosts is with us.
The God of Jacob is our refuge.
Come behold the works of the Lord, has made desolations in the Earth.
He makes wars cease to the ends of the Earth.
He breaks the bough and cuts the spear in two.
He burns the chariot in fire.
Be still and know that I am God.
I will be exalted among the nations.
I will be exalted in the Earth.
The Lord of Hosts is with us.
The God of Jacob is our refuge.

That's Psalm 46. I agree it's an ominous thing for Obama to quote on 911, 10th ann.
The City of God is Jerusalem.   http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp194.htm (http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp194.htm)   

911 was carried out by those who feel that Israel has enemies that want to "wipe them off the map". So Obama is speaking on their behalf, to say that God is helping her (God in the midst of Jerusalem) by bringing desolations and melting the earth. When God causes war to cease is when God will be exalted through Jerusalem and God's chosen people the Jews. All except, these Jews are imposters, userping God's true chosen people/Israelites--namely the Afro-American's that are descendants of the slaves for 400 years taken from Israelite tribes in Africa, mostly by Jewish financiers and Jewish slave ship owners (much written on that).  And plus the Bible clearly states that Jerusalem will be totally destroyed a third time, in the end times (Revelation). The Jews think they will rule the world from Jerusalem with the goyim (us non-Jews) serving them. But there will be a battle, and they will lose according to Scripture, and the true One and his people will rule the earth with love, justice and a rod of iron (old Testament), although I interpret this all rather loosely. This is all one small chapter of the epic thousands of years old drama on the world stage, that God is producer/director of. JMO
 
Wiki-leaks apparantly did not mention specifically only Israel in their exposes. And if Russia, Austrailia and other countries do mention the alternative versions of 911 in their offical media news, then they will point fingers squarely at US, but not at Israel who are the true perpetrators of this crime and many far worse this century, under cover of the biggest lies the world has known. Even Alex Jones who is thought to be misinformation, doesn't include Israel in his accusations for 911 perpetrators.

 
 
And a way of manipulating people with the religious aspect using the name of God ... that demons have to see God with the genocide or wars? :geek:
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 16, 2011, 06:59:49 PM
Was posted in another thread, but I will post it here as well.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4[/youtube]

After all this evidence, how on earth is it possible that they are STILL getting away with mass murder? Why aren't people waking up? I have spread so many videos, I have talked to so many people about this but it seems like it would be more useful to talk to a brick wall.

Can someone please hijack every single broadcasting company on earth and keep playing these kinds of documentaries over and over and over until people will finally wake the fuck up?

btw: TS, you're missed. Hope you're doing well. bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: paula-c on September 16, 2011, 08:36:21 PM
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Was posted in another thread, but I will post it here as well.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4[/youtube]

After all this evidence, how on earth is it possible that they are STILL getting away with mass murder? Why aren't people waking up? I have spread so many videos, I have talked to so many people about this but it seems like it would be more useful to talk to a brick wall.

Can someone please hijack every single broadcasting company on earth and keep playing these kinds of documentaries over and over and over until people will finally wake the fuck up?

btw: TS, you're missed. Hope you're doing well. bearhug

 
 
 
The media have done a great job brain-washing people :?
 
 
 
 
The day sunday, October 17, 2004 started a fire in the 34th floor of the Tower  from Central Park, Caracas, Venezuela
 
 
Picture at the beginning of the fire to the 01:32 am., had already spent an hour and a half has been started
 
 
(http://www.rescate.com/pc1.jpg)
 
 
 
 
 The fire at 08: 30 am   (http://www.rescate.com/pc2.jpg)      The fire after midday, already out of control until it became extinct   (http://www.rescate.com/pc4.jpg)       (http://www.rescate.com/pc7.jpg)       (http://www.rescate.com/HELIPC4.JPG)           (http://www.rescate.com/HELIPC1.JPG)         (http://www.rescate.com/HELIPC3.JPG)       (http://www.rescate.com/HELIPC2.JPG)         The building today ...   (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2551/4172327441_49cb3781ed_o.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Adi on September 17, 2011, 10:32:54 PM
I don't think it is a "coincidence"  that in the artwork on the "Michael" album there is the large BUSH next to what appears to be the twin towers burning/falling and also near this is the burning pictures of MJ on what appears to be a magazine cover (thought it was money at 1st but that is lower down in the artwork).

I know it was discussed when the album was released that this "Bush" might have represented the "tree of life"...but look at some of the other images around that Bush and also in it there looks like hidden snakes.....I think it is representing something completely different... if you get my drift.
 
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: bec on September 18, 2011, 12:07:56 AM
I get your drift, Adi. I think that's a really great connection. There's a snake crawling around inside that Bush, you can only see small glimpses of it but it's there. Burning money falling too.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Andrea on September 18, 2011, 12:48:16 AM
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I don't think it is a "coincidence"  that in the artwork on the "Michael" album there is the large BUSH next to what appears to be the twin towers burning/falling and also near this is the burning pictures of MJ on what appears to be a magazine cover (thought it was money at 1st but that is lower down in the artwork).

I know it was discussed when the album was released that this "Bush" might have represented the "tree of life"...but look at some of the other images around that Bush and also in it there looks like hidden snakes.....I think it is representing something completely different... if you get my drift.
 

The "Bush" (with the snake in it) right next to the "burning" buildings is definitely interesting.  There is also a bubble with a gavel in it, right in front of the tree - gavel - justice??  For what happened?  You can zoom into the photo (Michael cover) with this link : http://www.showbiz411.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/mural3.jpg  The buildings look like the buildings in the Bahrain Financial Harbour.

(http://img1.loadtr.com/b-429919-Bahrain_Financial_Harbour.jpg)

(http://www.showbiz411.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/mural3.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Grace on September 18, 2011, 10:29:30 AM
Thanks for posting the Michael cover again.

The snake in the bushes is a blatant understatement.
It's a hydra.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush family, Bin Laden family, their ties to CIA and their engagement in drugs and oil business, FBI helping Bin Laden's family get out of the U.S. Saudis' high investments after 9II - there's much being said and tied together.

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Bush family’s dirty little secret:
 President’s oil companies funded by Bin Laden family and wealthy Saudis who financed Osama bin Laden
 
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/bushs_secret.htm (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/bushs_secret.htm)
http://tvnewslies.org/html/bin_laden_ties.html (http://tvnewslies.org/html/bin_laden_ties.html)
http://www.familyofsecrets.com/ (http://www.familyofsecrets.com/)


There were "illusionary wars" (e.g. into Iraq) planned by Secret Services, Congress and Pentagon BEFORE 9II.
These are Defense Department staffer Steven Cambone's notes from meetings with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the afternoon of 9/11/01:
http://www.tomflocco.com/Docs/Dsn/DodStaffNotes.htm (http://www.tomflocco.com/Docs/Dsn/DodStaffNotes.htm)
http://www.stewwebb.com (http://www.stewwebb.com/Top-secret%20notes%20confirm%20congressional%209-11%20Commission%20&%20Pentagon%20cover%20up%20of%20Iraq%20war%20plans%20on%20day%20of%20Sept%2011%20attacks.htm)
http://www.stewwebb.com/Top-secret%20notes%20confirm%20congressional%209-11%20Commission%20&%20Pentagon%20cover%20up%20of%20Iraq%20war%20plans%20on%20day%20of%20Sept%2011%20attacks.htm (http://www.stewwebb.com/Top-secret%20notes%20confirm%20congressional%209-11%20Commission%20&%20Pentagon%20cover%20up%20of%20Iraq%20war%20plans%20on%20day%20of%20Sept%2011%20attacks.htm)



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A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline. The document was obtained by the FBI but was not allowed to be shared with other agencies in order to protect Enron. [...] However, in January 2001, Vice President Cheney allegedly reinstated the intelligence block and expanded it to effectively preclude any investigations whatsoever of Saudi-Taliban-Afghan oil connections. Former FBI counter-terrorism chief John O’Neill resigned from the FBI in disgust, stating that he was ordered not to investigate Saudi-Al Qaida connections because of the Enron pipeline deal.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4219.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4219.htm)
How convenient that Enron went bankrupt on Sept 2, 2001 - the reason for any protection of Taliban negociation partners was gone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron)


Bush took investigators off of bin Laden's trail:
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/archive/index.php/t-2187.html (http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/archive/index.php/t-2187.html)


Quote
Osama says HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ATTACKS OF 9/11! - Here is the transcript of what you were not allowed to hear from Osama binLaden's own mouth: (http://www.viewzone.com/osama.html) - Not many people know that, after September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden issued a statement on tape that he had nothing to do with the attacks on America and that such actions were against the teachings of Islam. Americans were prevented from accessing this information because we were told that Osama could possibly have an embedded "secret code" in the tape that would alert other terrorists cells to "activate" and target other American cities. -

Osama bin Laden:
"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."
http://tvnewslies.org/html/bin_laden_ties.html (http://tvnewslies.org/html/bin_laden_ties.html)
http://viewzone2.com/osamax.html (http://viewzone2.com/osamax.html)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya5fAW1_1FA[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya5fAW1_1FA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya5fAW1_1FA)


I think that Michael played a major role in every piece of program art that was published to belong to him or carrying his name. I would not be astonished if he painted some of the art "inspired by and made for Michael" himself and gave the artist an "alias" name for the public eyes.

If you look at the Dangerous artwork and the Michael artwork - how many hours would we have to imagine the artist and Michael sat together in discussing and getting all these details into the painting?
"Oh I would like to have that bubble a little bit more down to the left - could we do it?". "And could you put an almost invisible snake into the bush, please?"
I cannot imagine this. No way. If I recall right, Michael wanted to study art (even go to New York for the studies) and I think he had enough time and occasion to study privately with some great masters. Same as to taking photographs and making film.


In the 70s and 80s, music covers were corresponding to a program of music on the record.
In those years, there were folks who had something to say and who did say it - through their concept albums and their concept artwork covers.


I think the man raised his voice not only by determining a stage set, a sequence of songs, a tune, a crescendo, lyrics or dance moves, but also by expressing his very personal view on the things by his own fine arts creations.


One of the most impressive manifestations of protest by Paul Simon on the tenth anniversary of 9II, listen closely to the lyrics.
Quote
Paul Simon had been told to play "Bridge Over Troubled Waters" at the Ground Zero tenth anniversary event. Without telling anybody what was coming, he played a 9/11 truth protest song instead. The "people talking without listening" didn't get it. The awakened people did. This is one of the most profound moments of musical protest ever recorded.
http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.com/ (http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.com/)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eanv5XRjwLg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eanv5XRjwLg&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eanv5XRjwLg&feature=player_embedded)

Thank you Paul.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: bec on September 18, 2011, 11:06:32 AM
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_the_lyrics_Sound_of_Silen (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_the_lyrics_Sound_of_Silence)ce (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_the_lyrics_Sound_of_Silence)


Quote
Paul Simon seeks to convey a message of how ignorance taints the minds of so many people. "Silence" refers to submission. He reveals how people so foolishly follow rulers without actually knowing a ruler's true intentions and background. "People hearing without listening" reveals a people's willingness to take heed to the commands spoken by a leader without fully realizing the consequences of this obedience. Simon, or whomever is having this dream, tries to warn these conformists in the lines that read "'Fools' said I, "You do not know/ Silence like a cancer grows/ Hear my words that I might teach you,/ Take my arms that I might reach you."" But his warning is swallowed in the abyss of submission: "But my words like silent raindrops fell,/And echoed/In the wells of silence." This song may refer to a particular nation or people, but most likely it refers to people in general who submit themselves too freely. The song continues to describe the people's capitulation in several lines, most notably in the words, "And the people bowed and prayed/To the neon god they made." The song's meaning is for the listener to decide and there are many different ideas; however, I personally have always believed that it pertains to a people's readiness to support a leader without fully realizing the possible outcomes
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: RK on September 18, 2011, 11:52:10 AM
I see 4 snakes throughout that bush on the Michael cover.
It's also unusual to see Brandon included and shown being the same age as Marlon in the family portrait that has them positioned around the belt as a frame with Joe and Katherine in the center. It's the bottom left corner.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: PureLove on September 18, 2011, 04:02:50 PM
These pictures tell it all. Michael is on the burning money and magazine. And Twin Towers are burning as well. They were going to take him down with the towers. Snake Bush is next to them. And there's a gavel. Justice is going to be served?!?

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2evccag.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 18, 2011, 06:46:33 PM
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_the_lyrics_Sound_of_Silen (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_the_lyrics_Sound_of_Silence)ce (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_the_lyrics_Sound_of_Silence)


Quote
Paul Simon seeks to convey a message of how ignorance taints the minds of so many people. "Silence" refers to submission. He reveals how people so foolishly follow rulers without actually knowing a ruler's true intentions and background. "People hearing without listening" reveals a people's willingness to take heed to the commands spoken by a leader without fully realizing the consequences of this obedience. Simon, or whomever is having this dream, tries to warn these conformists in the lines that read "'Fools' said I, "You do not know/ Silence like a cancer grows/ Hear my words that I might teach you,/ Take my arms that I might reach you."" But his warning is swallowed in the abyss of submission: "But my words like silent raindrops fell,/And echoed/In the wells of silence." This song may refer to a particular nation or people, but most likely it refers to people in general who submit themselves too freely. The song continues to describe the people's capitulation in several lines, most notably in the words, "And the people bowed and prayed/To the neon god they made." The song's meaning is for the listener to decide and there are many different ideas; however, I personally have always believed that it pertains to a people's readiness to support a leader without fully realizing the possible outcomes

I adore that song. I have a nice version for you:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUgIOePyL8c[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: SimPattyK on September 18, 2011, 06:59:26 PM
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[...]
One of the most impressive manifestations of protest by Paul Simon on the tenth anniversary of 9II, listen closely to the lyrics.
Quote
Paul Simon had been told to play "Bridge Over Troubled Waters" at the Ground Zero tenth anniversary event. Without telling anybody what was coming, he played a 9/11 truth protest song instead. The "people talking without listening" didn't get it. The awakened people did. This is one of the most profound moments of musical protest ever recorded.
http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.com/ (http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.com/)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eanv5XRjwLg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eanv5XRjwLg&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eanv5XRjwLg&feature=player_embedded)

Thank you Paul.
hummm He was supposed to sing "Bridge Over Troubled Waters" !?! nice!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfy9oFM6DeI&list=FLkC6Y4ea25ltNSLkO1ZDE-Q&index=20[/youtube]


I love the "Sound of Silence" too!! Great subtle message! ;)
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 18, 2011, 07:13:40 PM
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[...]
One of the most impressive manifestations of protest by Paul Simon on the tenth anniversary of 9II, listen closely to the lyrics.
Quote
Paul Simon had been told to play "Bridge Over Troubled Waters" at the Ground Zero tenth anniversary event. Without telling anybody what was coming, he played a 9/11 truth protest song instead. The "people talking without listening" didn't get it. The awakened people did. This is one of the most profound moments of musical protest ever recorded.
http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.com/ (http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.com/)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eanv5XRjwLg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eanv5XRjwLg&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eanv5XRjwLg&feature=player_embedded)

Thank you Paul.
hummm He was supposed to sing "Bridge Over Troubled Waters" !?! nice!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfy9oFM6DeI&list=FLkC6Y4ea25ltNSLkO1ZDE-Q&index=20[/youtube]


I love the "Sound of Silence" too!! Great subtle message! ;)


Quote
Taylor, the mellow-voiced crooner famed for songs like "You've Got a Friend," will be performing “Close Your Eyes” and Simon will sing “Bridge Over Troubled Water," according to a new, detailed schedule released by City Hall.

http://www.dnainfo.com/20110910/downtown/james-taylor-paul-simon-perform-at-911-memorial-ceremony

Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 19, 2011, 12:11:07 AM
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I would swear on the bible if i walked on the moon.
And give the 5000 to charity.
Scientifically they couldn't have done it back then.
Makes you wonder why they didn't go right back....
Probably too hard to hoax a 2nd time.
Conclusion?
I make it easy for you....
You can send a robot to the moon...
Not man....
 /white flag/


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJZCcpuk3EY[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqfH7iK51HQ&feature=related[/youtube]

Exactly, you would swear on the bible if you did walk on the moon...and also that was around the time they were having the space race against the Soviet Union and so they were probably desperate to get some sort of recognition and beat out Russia, since Russia were the first ones to take a man into space and have the first satellite...so they're probably like "let's take this to the studio instead, since we can't get a man on the moon".
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: SimPattyK on September 19, 2011, 04:14:52 AM
^^ That's how I think about this too, @chappie & @use_your_illusion ;)

@Souza: thanks for the link! ;)
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: MJonmind on September 19, 2011, 04:16:04 AM
Chappie, I was torn about the men actually being on the moon, but the reflectors left on the moon by Apollo missions seem pretty convincing.
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://images.brighthub.com/e7/d/e7d1245f8bbb0fff4019fae55e44f95026de90d1_large.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.brighthub.com/science/space/articles/74039.aspx&usg=__-QLyifrjjPFGo28UKlAkOT_tfDQ=&h=600&w=600&sz=49&hl=en&start=5&zoom=1&tbnid=rrbPg9uVS3Hw0M:&tbnh=135&tbnw=135&ei=_AR3TqDrDo6jtgey27y0DA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dreflector%2Bon%2Bthe%2Bmoon,%2Bapollo%2B11%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1

Loved Paul Simon singing the alternative Sounds of Silence...beautiful and wise.

The snake in the tree of life, goes well with straight above on the mountain with the crumbling throne of Satan, a discovery I believe of Souza and Sarahli.

Beside the burning magazines with MJ, and twin towers is what looks to me to be the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, Israel. But maybe I'm mistaken.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/JeronMic.jpg)
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/Jer.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on September 19, 2011, 06:49:57 AM
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These pictures tell it all. Michael is on the burning money and magazine. And Twin Towers are burning as well. They were going to take him down with the towers. Snake Bush is next to them. And there's a gavel. Justice is going to be served?!?

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2evccag.jpg)



WOW I had not seen that before!


Good catch.

 /bravo/
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Grace on September 19, 2011, 12:16:40 PM
If I go back to June 25, 2009 from today's perspective and let myself get back into the stream of events starting with the 911 call, I have to say that there was no other script feasible than those "double versions", "lies' variants" and falsified "pictures" and "videos" to bring the case of 9II to our full attention, awareness and persuasion. All ties together and fits perfectly.

I have to applaud with standing ovations to Michael and the Jackson family and all helpers and supporters for their courage, thoughtfulness, dedication, perseverance, considerateness and incredible patience, for their continued support and never ending endurance with us strivers for truth.

I am standing blessed, amazed, speechless, out of words in view of these enormeous concerted efforts and care for our sake and well-being.

My only wish is that everybody on this board and beyond is taking up this inspiration and guide to spread the word and act the same way in the same loving culture, positive strength, never ending dedication and patience to keep the avalanche of awakening going.

We owe it to our children, families and friends.
We'll get there. With the L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: MsTrinity333 on September 22, 2011, 10:08:06 AM
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I can't believe my own eyes, right now on the main Russian channel "First channel" in the news they were talking about the conspiracy behind 9/11!!! afraid/  First they were telling the "official" story and i was like, yeah here we go again terrorists, Osama Bin Laden blah blah blah. But then they started talking about the powerful "group of people" (they didn't mention the name) who might be behind it. They mentioned all the main things which do not go with the official story, how US federal agencies and military failed to protect their own people, even though they knew about the danger. If the American government did not plan this attack on it's own people, they sure failed to stop these air plains, even though they had more then enough time to do so. They also said (according to my memory) "HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL SOON REALIZE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ON THAT TRAGIC DAY AND IT WON'T BE TOO LATE. BECAUSE THE DESTRUCTIVE MECHANISM WHICH WAS PUT IN MOTION ON THAT DAY STILL IS IN IT'S FULL POWER."
I've seen some late night documentaries about 9/11 on this channel, but talk about conspiracy openly like that on the NEWS, NEVER!     
Conspiracy theorists about 9/11 were mentioned in the coverage here in Australia as well. They showed protesters holding placards demanding the truth to be told. Perhaps because so many people now are beginning to question, the news stations were forced to address this. Although not much air time was given, they didn't make them out to be lunatics or insane people. Just everyday people who are very very upset.

Same thing happening here! ... they actually ran Loose Change on a Cable Channel during Prime Time; I couldn't believe it. What was even better was my hubby WATCHED IT and recorded it!  I've been saying stuff for yrs about it, he usually just blows it off. But now he's starting to distrust the official Govt account; not a small feat for an X-military man... /woohoo/

Thanks for the redirect TS. I posted it on FB shortly after you.  bearhug
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: BeTheChange on September 22, 2011, 10:26:14 AM
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These pictures tell it all. Michael is on the burning money and magazine. And Twin Towers are burning as well. They were going to take him down with the towers. Snake Bush is next to them. And there's a gavel. Justice is going to be served?!?

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2evccag.jpg)



WOW I had not seen that before!


Good catch.

 /bravo/

I agree...hadn't seen this before either.  Gosh...there's SO much out there just waiting to be discovered...feels like Mike's left us 'messages' everywhere.
 
The things 'burning' on the cover bring my mind to MJ being adamant about having a real jacket 'burning' on stage...and saying "Let it burn and lights out".  Not sure what it all means exactly...but there's definitely something symbollic about 'burning' to Mike.
 
The 'burning' money....isn't that the same 'money' that TS included in one of his posts?  Maybe he was gently guiding us/hinting at taking another look at the cover.
 
With L.O.V.E. always.
 
 
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: MsTrinity333 on September 22, 2011, 11:36:48 AM
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These pictures tell it all. Michael is on the burning money and magazine. And Twin Towers are burning as well. They were going to take him down with the towers. Snake Bush is next to them. And there's a gavel. Justice is going to be served?!?

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2evccag.jpg)



WOW I had not seen that before!


Good catch.

 /bravo/

I agree...hadn't seen this before either.  Gosh...there's SO much out there just waiting to be discovered...feels like Mike's left us 'messages' everywhere.
 
The things 'burning' on the cover bring my mind to MJ being adamant about having a real jacket 'burning' on stage...and saying "Let it burn and lights out".  Not sure what it all means exactly...but there's definitely something symbollic about 'burning' to Mike.
 
The 'burning' money....isn't that the same 'money' that TS included in one of his posts?  Maybe he was gently guiding us/hinting at taking another look at the cover.
 
With L.O.V.E. always.
 
 
mos

Agree with most but those are not the twin towers of NYC; those are the ones in Bahrain: (http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Bahrain+towers&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Zlm&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1680&bih=910&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=NtjvUosF_iytoM:&imgrefurl=http://www.panoramio.com/photo/334121&docid=vtauY8mA1xsPLM&w=2560&h=1920&ei=tVx7TsDCF6yfsQLeo6HWAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=181&vpy=150&dur=479&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=155&ty=110&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=180&start=0&ndsp=47&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0)

Also on the Jewish conspiracy... It troubles me that God's Chosen people are being blamed. Not all who call themselves Jews are; the Bible warns us of those of the Synagogue of Satan. I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.  Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9. Have we learned nothing from History? From the Holocaust? What's coming in the last days will be far worse. Lets remember that the "Powers That Be" / NWO will use the Jews & Israel in this blame game to take down the US... & Israel for their One World Govt..  There are powerful "Jews" such as G Soros in the Illuminati, Bilderburgers etc who have turned on their own & God. They are the Elite bankers who want to run the world. We are the pawns in this Chess Game; but in the end God is the Master.  There is lots of debate concerning real Jews & fake  Jews such as the Ashkenazic Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazic_Jews): http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread423972/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread423972/pg1)  It's important to keep this in mind. This is part of their evil plan to turn us against each other; don't fall for it.
Title: Re: TIAI September 11
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on September 22, 2011, 08:00:41 PM
a brilliant brilliant thread. i have been a 911 hoax believer since early 2003 - that was when i turned 21 years old and when i started seeing the world for what it really is and searching for truth re: 911. have to say loose change, michael moore amongst other docs and forums lead me to the truth re 911. for me this thread is especially important to me. it was the 911 hoax research that i did, that lead me to mjhoax, which i started to become a believer of, which lead me here which is now helping me unravel the truth due to the imput of all the marvelous members and of course TS/Front/back mindblowing, wonderful and informative contributions. the complexities of the mj hoax, the reasons, the bigger picture, NWO, etc which all tie into other hoaxes that i have always been a believer of.

mj hoax is not abt a superficial death hoax to do an amazing comeback tour.... lol. how primitive to think like that. it is huge. bigger even than mj. something that affects all of us and puts us all in danger, not just mj. mj is a brave amazing person, sacrificing himself to
reveal the atrocities, ugliness of the 'system.' this is more that revenge on media - which he will get as a residual effect of MJDH. This is a STEP forward for all mankind. unveiling of the ugly truth to all. POWER to the people!

this thread is very special to me personally. it is eye opening and only solidifies my faith in MJ hoax, as well as other things that i have doubted, questioned and then researched...

THANK YOU MODs, ADMINS for making this place and doing your part to assist with the revealing of the truth!
THANK YOU all for your contribution!
THANK YOU MJ for your bravery!
THANK YOU TS / FRONT / BACK for guidance!

THANK YOU JEH for life!



P.S The prince video with 911 prediction blew me away. in all the research i have dont over the years re: 911, i had not come across that.
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