Construction and description
According to the Book of Exodus, God instructed Moses on Mount Sinai during his 40 day stay upon the mountain within the thick cloud and darkness where God was (Ex. 19:20; 24:18) and he was shown the pattern for the tabernacle and furnishings of the Ark to be made of shittim-wood to house the Tablets of Stone. Moses instructed Bezalel and Oholiab to construct the Ark (Exodus 31). [11]
The Book of Exodus gives detailed instructions on how the Ark is to be constructed. It is to be 2½ cubits in length, 1½ in breadth, and 1½ in height (as 21⁄2×11⁄2×11⁄2 royal cubits or 1.31×0.79×0.79 m). Then it is to be plated entirely with gold, and a crown or molding of gold is to be put around it. Four rings of gold are to be attached—two on each side—and through these rings staves of shittim-wood overlaid with gold for carrying the Ark are to be inserted; and these are not to be removed. A golden cover, adorned with golden cherubim, is to be placed above the Ark. The Ark is finally to be placed behind a veil (Parochet), a full description of which is also given.[12]
Are you aware the three major religious systems in the world (Jews, Muslims, and Christians) all expect the Ark of the Covenant to resurface, near the end of time? The Jews are expecting to get the Ark again, in connection with rebuilding their temple in Jerusalem near the end of time. “Muslims believe that it will be found by Mahdi near the end of times from Lake Tiberias”
Few if any objects in the history of mankind have been regarded with more sacredness and mystery, than the Ark of the Covenant. And surely if there is any object on planet earth that God can and will control at the end of time, it is the Ark of the Covenant. But the devil knows this, so he will have one or more counterfeit arks to confuse people. Then if we want to be on the right side of the final battle between good and evil: we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray.
By now you’ve probably learned not to trust what the media tells you about the Ark of the Covenant. In fact, don’t trust what anybody tells you about it! You can and should be open to evidence, which will help you distinguish the true from the false; but don’t trust the source of the evidence, trust only in the evidence itself. “The truth will prevail!” For those who are not prejudice, and are willing to examine the evidence carefully, the true Ark will stand out in striking contrast to any and all fake arks. In fact, did you know that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark? Did you know that seven will be God’s most important number in the final battle between good and evil?
The Meaning of Rosh HaShanah
Rosh HaShanah literally means “Head of the Year” in Hebrew. It falls in the month of Tishrei, which is the seventh month on the Hebrew calendar. The reason for this is because the Hebrew calendar begins with the month of Nissan (when it's believed the Jews were freed from slavery in Egypt) but the month of Tishrei is believed to be the month in which God created the world. Hence, another way to think about Rosh HaShanah is as the birthday of the world.
Rosh HaShanah is observed on the first two days of Tishrei. Jewish tradition teaches that during the High Holy Days God decides who will live and who will die during the coming year. As a result, during Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur (and in the days leading up to them) Jews embark upon the serious task of examining their lives and repenting for any wrongs they have committed during the previous year. This process of repentance is called teshuvah. Jews are encouraged to make amends with anyone they have wronged and to make plans for improving during the coming year. In this way, Rosh HaShanah is all about making peace in the community and striving to be a better person.
Even though the theme of Rosh HaShanah is life and death, it is a holiday filled with hope for the New Year. Jews believe that God is compassionate and just, and that God will accept their prayers for forgiveness.
http://judaism.about.com/od/holidays/a/roshhashanah.htm
Yom Kippur - Day of Atonement:
Yom Kippur or the Day of Atonement is the most solemn and important holy day of the Jewish calendar. In the Old Testament, the Day of Atonement was the day the High Priest made an atoning sacrifice for the sins of the people. This act of atonement brought reconciliation between the people and God. After the blood sacrifice was offered to the Lord, a goat was released into the wilderness to symbolically carry away the sins of the people. This "scapegoat" was never to return.
http://christianity.about.com/od/biblefeastsandholidays/p/dayofatonement.htm
Sukkot - Feast of Tabernacles or Feast of Booths:
Sukkot or the Feast of Tabernacles is a week-long fall festival commemorating the 40-year journey of the Israelites in the wilderness. It is one of the three great pilgrimage feasts recorded in the Bible when all Jewish males were required to appear before the Lord in the Temple in Jerusalem. The word Sukkot means "booths." Throughout the holiday, Jews continue to observe this time by building and dwelling in temporary shelters, just like the Hebrew people did while wandering in the desert. This joyous celebration is a reminder of God's protection, provision, and faithfulness.
http://christianity.about.com/od/biblefeastsandholidays/p/feastofbooths.htm
Quote from: TS <blockquote>By now you’ve probably learned not to trust what the media tells you about the Ark of the Covenant. In fact, don’t trust what anybody tells you about it! You can and should be open to evidence, which will help you distinguish the true from the false; but don’t trust the source of the evidence, trust only in the evidence itself. “The truth will prevail!” For those who are not prejudice, and are willing to examine the evidence carefully, the true Ark will stand out in striking contrast to any and all fake arks. In fact, did you know that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark? Did you know that seven will be God’s most important number in the final battle between good and evil?</blockquote>
It made me look at the Billie Jean lyrics in a totally different way. I am not saying that there is a reference to the 40 days and nights of Moses on Mount Sinai, but we all know that Michael probably knew the whole Bible by heart at a young age already, so I can't imagine him being unaware of it. Plus the opening chords of Billie Jean are according to The Fibonacci Sequence
Souza
Possibly, there have been other messiahs before Jesus. Possibly, there have been more prophets, and end of times. Jesus represents the age of pisces, we are now entering the age of aquarius. Maybe these messiahs are sent by God to guide people through the ages. If that's true, we are at the end of Jesus' age, and we will have a new messiah guiding us through the new age of aquarius. This is what I believe, although I have no clue how or why.
Souza
Another possibility could be that it was a deliberate lie to deceive Satan. If Satan would think that the Ark of the Covenant was like that, he would make fake arks that indeed would be in striking contrast to the real ark.
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In the separation of major tIME factions in our planetary HiStory, specifically Birth of Christ (BC) To nearly 2009 years post his physical exit (AD), there's only one other Worldly figure that has been bestowed the powers to reach EVERY corner of the globe. And that Heavenly Gift was the Incomparable Michael Jackson.
2+5, The days of Christ and Michael.
Although many other Great Worldly figures, ranging from Martin to Mother Teresa, have graced this Earth with soul driven purposes that have benefited humanity, there have ONLY been two who have been subjected to literal crucifixions; before, during and after their deaths. And even in the face of these crucifixions, they both maintained hearts filled with love, sensitivity and care for all man/woman-kind. They carried rare emotional connections to and concerns for every single poor and sick person on the planet; Especially the children. They were in-tune with the necessary nurturance that this magnificent creation we inhabit requires for survival. They both never stopped giving and wanting to give more! They even carried compassion and hope for those who were consumed with evil and sought to do them both harm. An EXTREME rarity!
Christ was the savior of lives once as a physical being
So too was Michael Jackson....
Arms, wrist and feet. Bludgeoned through the veins.
Arms, wrist and feet, Poisoned through the veins.
Two different Kings, with different Reigns.
And The End result shall be the same .
Matthew 16:28; Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luke 21:32
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Revelation 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Revelation 22:20
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
[...]I do believe that the Ark of the Covenant is important, and I do believe in a literal Ark which is supposed to house the original 10 commandments given to Moses, the rod of Aaron [...]^^ I am doing a research on this ^^ in relation to MJ & Elvis Aaron PRIEST-ly! I will come back... later... with more details...
QuoteQuote from: TS <blockquote>By now you’ve probably learned not to trust what the media tells you about the Ark of the Covenant. In fact, don’t trust what anybody tells you about it! You can and should be open to evidence, which will help you distinguish the true from the false; but don’t trust the source of the evidence, trust only in the evidence itself. “The truth will prevail!” For those who are not prejudice, and are willing to examine the evidence carefully, the true Ark will stand out in striking contrast to any and all fake arks. In fact, did you know that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark? Did you know that seven will be God’s most important number in the final battle between good and evil?</blockquote>
Well, somebody remembered that the day June 25 media spoke of the ark but the news not transcend that all we were attentive to the "death of Michael "? suspicious//
Quote from: SarahliIn the Quran it is mentionned:
[2:248] Their prophet said to them, "The sign of his kingship is that the Ark of the Covenant will be restored to you, bringing assurances from your Lord, and relics left by the people of Moses and the people of Aaron. It will be carried by the angels. This should be a convincing sign for you, if you are really believers."
It is in reference of the story of Saul, him being chosen by God to be King and this same history is narrated in the Bible's Book of I Samuel, Ch. 9 and 10.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_Samuel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_Samuel)
TS said in the update that muslims were also waiting for the Ark to be discovered by "Mahdi", I just wanted to say that "Mahdi" is not mentionned in the Quran so I take this information with grand reserve.
"On 25 June 2009, the patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia, Abuna Paulos, said he would announce to the world the next day the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant, which he said had been kept safe and secure in a church in Axum, Ethiopia. The following day, on 26 June 2009, the patriarch announced that he would not unveil the Ark after all, but that instead he could attest to its current status."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the ... dox_Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant#Ethiopian_Orthodox_Church)
I don't understand. If it has really been discovered why decide to keep it secret after having thrown the information that an announcement would be made about it ? And the date of 25 June 2009 is very intriguing. What a "coincidence" !
When you begin to search for the Ark you realize that it can be everywhere in the world, so many theories are on the internet that I really don't know what to think about it anymore.
TS also said "When the time is right, there will be further information about the Ark of the Covenant." I'm impatient to know more about it, this subject is very interesting and TS seems to know more.
Here is my thoughts and theories on the unveiling (hype) of THE ARK...
News articles to the world.
It is called deception... the evil one (devil, satan) who roams this earth to deceive and destroy and FOOL God's people, leading them astray and away from God (if he can) and even just people in general into believing that the ARK a man made article, (bobble) would give them the info they need.
Which is the devil's Job, lol
When in fact I believe the "true ARK" is as written below. (See Revelation reference). It is not in some false IDOL box but in the heavens with God himself and in his word.
According to the Book of Revelation, the Ark is in the Temple of God in Heaven in vision: "Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the Ark of his Covenant" (Rev. 11:19 NIV).
My theory is this that on June 25 2009 The Church was going to unviel a GREAT DECEPTION upon the world to deceive them into thinking they had to worship a golden box..lol
When ArchAngel Michael "died" on the same day, he is a "positive light" counteracting the "negative" that was about to deceive. When Michael "died" on the same day, No one paid attention to the false Idol and was consumed by The ArchAngel Michael, who is in MY opinion the Seventh Angel warning us of the end times.
He counteracted falseness with truth and opened up the seventh seals of knowledge.
Revelation 5:1 (Amplified Bible)
Revelation 5
1 AND I saw lying on the open hand of Him Who was seated on the throne a scroll (book) written within and on the back, closed and sealed with seven seals;
Revelation 11 (Amplified Bible)
Revelation 11
1 A REED [as a measuring rod] was then given to me, [shaped] like a staff, and I was told: Rise up and measure the sanctuary of God and the altar [of incense], and [number] those who worship there.
2 But leave out of your measuring the court outside the sanctuary of God; omit that, for it is given over to the Gentiles (the nations), and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months (three and one-half years).
3 And I will grant the power of prophecy to My two witnesses for 1,260 (42 months; three and one-half years), dressed in sackcloth.
4 These [witnesses] are the two olive trees and the two lampstands which stand before the Lord of the earth.
5 And if anyone attempts to injure them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their enemies; if anyone should attempt to harm them, thus he is doomed to be slain. [II Kings 1:10; Jer. 5:14.]
6 These [two witnesses] have power to shut up the sky, so that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying (their prediction of events relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph); and they also have power to turn the waters into blood and to smite and scourge the earth with all manner of plagues as often as they choose.
7 But when they have finished their testimony and their evidence is all in, the beast (monster) that comes up out of the Abyss (bottomless pit) will wage war on them, and conquer them and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies [will lie exposed] in the open street [(a public square) of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called [by the mystical and allegorical names of] Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
9 For three and a half days men from the races and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and will not allow them to be put in a tomb.
10 And those who dwell on the earth will gloat and exult over them and rejoice exceedingly, taking their ease and sending presents [in congratulation] to one another, because these two prophets had been such a vexation and trouble and torment to all the dwellers on the earth.
11 But after three and a half days, by God's gift the breath of life again entered into them, and they rose up on their feet, and great dread and terror fell on those who watched them.
12 Then [the two witnesses] heard a strong voice from heaven calling to them, Come up here! And before the very eyes of their enemies they ascended into heaven in a cloud. [II Kings 2:11.]
13 And at that [very] hour there was a tremendous earthquake and one tenth of the city was destroyed (fell); seven thousand people perished in the earthquake, and those who remained were filled with dread and terror and were awe-struck, and they glorified the God of heaven.
14 The second woe (calamity) has passed; now the third woe is speedily to come.
15 The seventh angel then blew [his] trumpet, and there were mighty voices in heaven, shouting, The dominion (kingdom, sovereignty, rule) of the world has now come into the possession and become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ (the Messiah), and He shall reign forever and ever (for the eternities of the eternities)!
16 Then the twenty-four elders [of the heavenly Sanhedrin], who sit on their thrones before God, prostrated themselves before Him and worshiped,
17 Exclaiming, To You we give thanks, Lord God Omnipotent, [the One] Who is and [ever] was, for assuming the high sovereignty and the great power that are Yours and for beginning to reign.
18 And the heathen (the nations) raged, but Your wrath (retribution, indignation) came, the time when the dead will be judged and Your servants the prophets and saints rewarded--and those who revere (fear) Your name, both low and high and small and great--and [the time] for destroying the corrupters of the earth.
19 Then the sanctuary of God in heaven was thrown open, and the ark of His covenant was seen standing inside in His sanctuary; and there were flashes of lightning, loud rumblings (blasts, mutterings), peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a terrific hailstorm. [I Kings 8:1-6.]
The Lion of Judah represents Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_of_Judah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_of_Judah)
Revelation 5:5 (Amplified Bible)
5 Then one of the elders [of the heavenly Sanhedrin] said to me, Stop weeping! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root (Source) of David, has won (has overcome and conquered)! He can open the scroll and break its seven seals!
Peace
P.S. Anyone can still add to this any knowledge they know. I am NOT the wisest One here, or religious. lol
I just think and interpret this info and connect DOTS and I am being lead by the holy spirit to see truth and understanding.
The ark of the covenant that contained God's presence, is a representation of the true ark or carrier of the presence of God, Jesus. Jesus is the door through which a person can enter and also become that container or true ark of God's presence. God doesn't live in church buildings or structures, He is Spirit and through the indwelling of the Spirit of God, He writes his commands of love on the real tablets of stone. Our hardened hearts, which are then transformed to become soft and tender . The old testatment picture of this is when King David brought back the ark and it resided in a tabernacle or tent. Tents are symbolic types or pictures of our earthly bodies, the temporary house our eternal spirit lives in since death came into the picture. This is not pie in the sky when we die. This is about the here and soon to be now. God is going to have a company of people here on earth that will be his temple, the true ark, made of living stones [people] for him to inhabit by his Spirit. And the invitation still goes out to all who will hear. Revelations22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say "Come!"@RK-I agree with the interpretation you stated.
So...Michael a messenger? definitely....Michael a new messiah? What if we are all presented with the opportunity to be vessels that carry the fullness of God's presence while still walking on this earth. Doing greater works than Jesus. The bible says we will. The bible calls this company of people the manchild, the overcomers, the sons of God. There is no other door in my understanding in departing from the old slavery we were sold into by Adam's fall other than the door to the new creation birth through the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
Verse of the Day
“[True Wisdom Comes from God] If you are wise and understand God’s ways, prove it by living an honorable life, doing good works with the humility that comes from wisdom.” James 3:13 NLT
Matthew 24
1JESUS DEPARTED from the temple area and was going on His way when His disciples came up to Him to call His attention to the buildings of the temple and point them out to Him.
2But He answered them, Do you see all these? Truly I tell you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.
3While He was seated on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately and said, Tell us, when will this take place, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end (the completion, the consummation) of the age?
4Jesus answered them, Be careful that no one misleads you [deceiving you and leading you into error].
5For many will come in (on the strength of) My name [appropriating the name which belongs to Me], saying, I am the Christ (the Messiah), and they will lead many astray.
6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened or troubled, for this must take place, but the end is not yet.
7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in place after place;
8All this is but the beginning [the early pains] of the birth pangs [of the intolerable anguish].
9Then they will hand you over to suffer affliction and tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
10And then many will be offended and repelled and will begin to distrust and desert [Him Whom they ought to trust and obey] and will stumble and fall away and betray one another and pursue one another with hatred.
11And many false prophets will rise up and deceive and lead many into error.
12And the love of the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness and iniquity,
13But he who endures to the end will be saved.
14And this good news of the kingdom (the Gospel) will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.
15So when you see the appalling sacrilege [the abomination that astonishes and makes desolate], spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place--let the reader take notice and ponder and consider and heed [this]--
16Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains;
17Let him who is on the housetop not come down and go into the house to take anything;
18And let him who is in the field not turn back to get his overcoat.
19And alas for the women who are pregnant and for those who have nursing babies in those days!
20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.
21For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now--no, and never will be [again].
22And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would endure and survive, but for the sake of the elect (God's chosen ones) those days will be shortened.
23If anyone says to you then, Behold, here is the Christ (the Messiah)! or, There He is!--do not believe it.
24For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God's chosen ones).
25See, I have warned you beforehand.
26So if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness (desert)--do not go out there; if they tell you, Behold, He is in the secret places or inner rooms--do not believe it.
27For just as the lightning flashes from the east and shines and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
28Wherever there is a fallen body (a corpse), there the vultures (or eagles) will flock together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor].
31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the universe to the other.
32From the fig tree learn this lesson: as soon as its young shoots become soft and tender and it puts out its leaves, you know of a surety that summer is near.
33So also when you see these signs, all taken together, coming to pass, you may know of a surety that He is near, at the very doors.
34Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, [in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these things taken together take place.
35Sky and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
37As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
38For just as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, [men] marrying and [women] being given in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah went into the ark,
39And they did not know or understand until the flood came and swept them all away--so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
40At that time two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
41Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken and one will be left.
42Watch therefore [give strict attention, be cautious and active], for you do not know in what kind of a day [whether a near or remote one] your Lord is coming.
43But understand this: had the householder known in what [part of the night, whether in a [night or a morning] watch the thief was coming, he would have watched and would not have allowed his house to be [undermined and broken into.
44You also must be ready therefore, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not expect Him.
45Who then is the faithful, thoughtful, and wise servant, whom his master has put in charge of his household to give to the others the food and supplies at the proper time?
46Blessed (happy, fortunate, and to be envied) is that servant whom, when his master comes, he will find so doing.
47I solemnly declare to you, he will set him over all his possessions.
48But if that servant is wicked and says to himself, My master is delayed and is going to be gone a long time,
49And begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with the drunken,
50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour of which he is not aware,
51And will punish him [cut him up by scourging] and put him with the pretenders (hypocrites); there will be weeping and grinding of teeth.
Revelation 1http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+10&version=AMP
1[THIS IS] the revelation of Jesus Christ [His unveiling of the divine mysteries]. God gave it to Him to disclose and make known to His bond servants certain things which must shortly and speedily come to pass in their entirety. And He sent and communicated it through His angel (messenger) to His bond servant John,
2Who has testified to and vouched for all that he saw [in his visions], the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
3Blessed (happy, to be envied) is the man who reads aloud [in the assemblies] the word of this prophecy; and blessed (happy, to be envied) are those who hear [it read] and who keep themselves true to the things which are written in it [heeding them and laying them to heart], for the time [for them to be fulfilled] is near.
4John to the seven assemblies (churches) that are in Asia: May grace (God's unmerited favor) be granted to you and spiritual peace (the peace of Christ's kingdom) from Him Who is and Who was and Who is to come, and from the seven Spirits [the sevenfold Holy Spirit] before His throne,
5And from Jesus Christ the faithful and trustworthy Witness, the Firstborn of the dead [first to be brought back to life] and the Prince (Ruler) of the kings of the earth. To Him Who ever loves us and has once [for all] loosed and freed us from our sins by His own blood,
6And formed us into a kingdom (a royal race), priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the power and the majesty and the dominion throughout the ages and forever and ever. Amen (so be it).
7Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth shall gaze upon Him and beat their breasts and mourn and lament over Him. Even so [must it be]. Amen (so be it).
8I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord God, He Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty (the Ruler of all).
9I, John, your brother and companion (sharer and participator) with you in the tribulation and kingdom and patient endurance [which are] in Jesus Christ, was on the isle called Patmos, [banished] on account of [my witnessing to] the Word of God and the testimony (the proof, the evidence) for Jesus Christ.
10I was in the Spirit [rapt in His power] on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a great voice like the calling of a war trumpet,
11Saying, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last. Write promptly what you see (your vision) in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia--to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.
12Then I turned to see [whose was] the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,
13And in the midst of the lampstands [One] like a Son of Man, clothed with a robe which reached to His feet and with a girdle of gold about His breast.
14His head and His hair were white like white wool, [as white] as snow, and His eyes [flashed] like a flame of fire.
15His feet glowed like burnished (bright) bronze as it is refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.
16In His right hand He held seven stars, and from His mouth there came forth a sharp two-edged sword, and His face was like the sun shining in full power at midday.
17When I saw Him, I fell at His feet as if dead. But He laid His right hand on me and said, Do not be afraid! I am the First and the Last,
18And the Ever-living One [I am living in the eternity of the eternities]. I died, but see, I am alive forevermore; and I possess the keys of death and Hades (the realm of the dead).
19Write therefore the things you see, what they are [and signify] and what is to take place hereafter.
20As to the hidden meaning (the mystery) of the seven stars which you saw on My right hand and the seven lampstands of gold: the seven stars are the seven angels (messengers) of the seven assemblies (churches) and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
Revelation 10http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20&version=AMP
1THEN I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, robed in a cloud, with a [halo like a] rainbow over his head; his face was like the sun, and his feet (legs) were like columns of fire.
2He had a little book (scroll) open in his hand. He set his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land,
3And he shouted with a loud voice like the roaring of a lion; and when he had shouted, the seven thunders gave voice and uttered their message in distinct words.
4And when the seven thunders had spoken (sounded), I was going to write [it down], but I heard a voice from heaven saying, Seal up what the seven thunders have said! Do not write it down!
5Then the [mighty] angel whom I had seen stationed on sea and land raised his right hand to heaven (the sky),
6And swore in the name of (by) Him Who lives forever and ever, Who created the heavens (sky) and all they contain, and the earth and all that it contains, and the sea and all that it contains. [He swore] that no more time should intervene and there should be no more waiting or delay,
7But that when the days come when the trumpet call of the seventh angel is about to be sounded, then God's mystery (His secret design, His hidden purpose), as He had announced the glad tidings to His servants the prophets, should be fulfilled (accomplished, completed).
8Then the voice that I heard from heaven spoke again to me, saying, Go and take the little book (scroll) which is open on the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.
9So I went up to the angel and asked him to give me the little book. And he said to me, Take it and eat it. It will embitter your stomach, though in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.
10So I took the little book from the angel's hand and ate and swallowed it; it was as sweet as honey in my mouth, but once I had swallowed it, my stomach was embittered.
11Then they said to me, You are to make a fresh prophecy concerning many peoples and races and nations and languages and kings.
Revelation 20
1THEN I saw an angel descending from heaven; he was holding the key of the Abyss (the bottomless pit) and a great chain was in his hand.
2And he gripped and overpowered the dragon, that old serpent [of primeval times], who is the devil and Satan, and [securely] bound him for a thousand years.
3Then he hurled him into the Abyss (the bottomless pit) and closed it and sealed it above him, so that he should no longer lead astray and deceive and seduce the nations until the thousand years were at an end. After that he must be liberated for a short time.
4Then I saw thrones, and sitting on them were those to whom authority to act as judges and to pass sentence was entrusted. Also I saw the souls of those who had been slain with axes [beheaded] for their witnessing to Jesus and [for preaching and testifying] for the Word of God, and who had refused to pay homage to the beast or his statue and had not accepted his mark or permitted it to be stamped on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived again and ruled with Christ (the Messiah) a thousand years.
5The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed (happy, to be envied) and holy (spiritually whole, of unimpaired innocence and proved virtue) is the person who takes part (shares) in the first resurrection! Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of God and of Christ (the Messiah), and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his place of confinement,
8And he will go forth to deceive and seduce and lead astray the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth--Gog and Magog--to muster them for war; their number is like the sand of the sea.
9And they swarmed up over the broad plain of the earth and encircled the fortress (camp) of God's people (the saints) and the beloved city; but fire descended from heaven and consumed them. [II Kings 1:10-12; Ezek. 38:2, 22.]
10Then the devil who had led them astray [deceiving and seducing them] was hurled into the fiery lake of burning brimstone, where the beast and false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever (through the ages of the ages).
11Then I saw a great white throne and the One Who was seated upon it, from Whose presence and from the sight of Whose face earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
12I[also] saw the dead, great and small; they stood before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life. And the dead were judged (sentenced) by what they had done their whole way of feeling and acting, their aims and endeavors] in accordance with what was recorded in the books.
13And the sea delivered up the dead who were in it, death and Hades the state of death or disembodied existence) surrendered the dead in them, and all were tried and their cases determined by what they had done [according to their motives, aims, and works].
14Then death and Hades the state of death or disembodied existence) were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15And if anyone's [name] was not found recorded in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.
:ugeek:
So yesterday I was doing some more digging around and I was reading up on Solomon,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon)Quote"The Hebrew Bible credits Solomon as the builder of the First Temple in Jerusalem":geek: and his supposed affair with Queen of Sheba :geek:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba)QuoteThe Queen of Sheba was a monarch of the ancient kingdom of Sheba and is referred to in Habeshan history, the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament, and the Qur'an. She is widely assumed to have been a queen regnant, although there is no historical proof of this; in fact, she may have been a queen consort.
The location of her historical kingdom most likely included part of modern day Ethiopia and Eritrea,and perhaps Yemen as well.
:geek: And supposedly Solomon and Queen of Sheba had a son :geek:Quote"An ancient compilation of Ethiopian legends, Kebra Negast ('the Glory of Kings'), is dated to seven hundred years ago and relates a history of Makeda and her descendants. In this account King Solomon is said to have seduced the Queen of Sheba and sired her son, Menelik I, who would become the first Emperor of Ethiopia."
:geek: And that is supposedly how The Ark of the Covenant got to the Church in Ethiopia, the same church that claims to have it and was going to reveal it to the world.
I then found this website and I agree with the final statements.
http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_issues4.php (http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_issues4.php)QuoteThe Forgotten Ark
Regardless of what happened to the Ark, the Scriptures suggest that it will never be found again. This comes as quite a shock to some Christians who have assumed that the Ark must be found before the Tribulation Temple can be built and animal sacrifice re-instituted. Others have simply assumed that the Ark would be replaced in the Holy of Holies when the Lord's Millennial Temple is built.
But Jeremiah says point blank that "the ark of the covenant of the Lord... shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they miss it, nor shall it be made again" (Jeremiah 3:16). The context of this passage is the Millennial reign of Jesus, so it does not rule out the possibility of a discovery prior to that time. Conceivably, the Ark could be discovered, and Satan could use its discovery to incite the rebuilding of a Temple where an apostate sacrificial system would be re-instituted. We know that such a Temple will be built, but I doubt if its construction will be motivated by the discovery of the Ark.
The Non-Essential Ark
The important point to keep in mind here is that the rediscovery of the Ark is not essential to the rebuilding of the Temple. After all, the Temple was rebuilt by Zerubbabel following the Babylonian captivity, and the Ark had already been lost by that time. There was no Ark in the Holy of Holies during the time when Jesus worshiped in the Temple.
Nor is the Ark needed for the Millennial Temple. Ezekiel describes the Temple in great detail (chapters 40-42), and he never mentions the Ark. There is a Holy of Holies (Ezekiel 41:4), but it is empty, and it is not separated from the Holy Place by a veil.
Jesus has already entered the heavenly Holy of Holies in our behalf (Hebrews 4:14-16, 8:1-6). He has torn away the veil that separated us from God, and He serves as our High Priest, having offered His own blood as the perfect sacrifice for our sins (Hebrews 9:11-16). He serves as our Mediator before the Father's throne (Hebrews 9:24-28).
Thus, during the Millennium, there will be no need for a human high priest or an Ark with a mercy seat. Jesus will serve as both king and high priest, and in that capacity, He will continue to serve as humanity's mercy seat. (Zechariah 6:12-13).
The True Ark
With regard to this concept of Christ as our mercy seat, let me add a penetrating insight which I picked up from John MacArthur, one of this country's greatest preachers. He pointed to a simple historical verse that contains a profound truth about Jesus being our mercy seat.
The verse is John 20:12. Speaking of Mary looking into the empty tomb of Jesus, the verse says, "she beheld two angels in white sitting, one at the head, and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had been lying." What Mary saw, MacArthur observed, was the new mercy seat, the perfect mercy seat.
Consider again what Mary saw. She witnessed two angels, one sitting at each end of the slab which had held the broken body of our Lord. That scene points us back to the Ark of the Covenant where two cherubim hovered over its blood splattered mercy seat!
There is no more need for the Ark. Jesus has fulfilled all that the Ark stood for. He was deity who took on flesh. He rendered complete obedience to the Law, being made perfect and becoming the source of our salvation (Hebrews 5:8-9). His blood was shed for our sins, and His victory is attested by the fact and the power of His resurrection.
Just as the Ark was designed to be a symbol of the presence of God in the midst of His people, Jesus is the ultimate expression of God's love and care and presence. He is our Ark. He is our Law. He is our Manna. He is our Budded Rod. And, thank God, He is our Mercy Seat.
Peace
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Im_convinced, interesting point of view, about Jesus being the Ark. Yet I really don't see Jesus coming back, there is just something in my mind that blocks that possibility, since it was made so very clear that Jesus was a human being.
I have to think about this some more, will get back to this tonight.
The Ark of the Covenant had a cubic capacity of 5,625 elbows or 3,575 cm. cubic, which multiplied by 100 is equivalent to the duration of a Hebrew year or distance nímina there from Earth to the Moon in its perigee.
The total area would be 19.6 elbows or equivalent to 12.458.936 cm. whose turnover in million equals the diameter of the Earth, or the equivalent to the Area of the Tabernacle (1906,96 cubic cm) to divide it between 100.
Im_convinced, interesting point of view, about Jesus being the Ark. Yet I really don't see Jesus coming back, there is just something in my mind that blocks that possibility, since it was made so very clear that Jesus was a human being.
I have to think about this some more, will get back to this tonight.
Souza WTF?? ?
The whole New Testament exists because of Jesus.
If we take the Bible as truth, we must take it all as truth, not only parts of it.
Be very careful about anything being presented by the Catholic church (vatican), and government, and world organizations such as the United Nations, etc. Certain parties have been trying to deceive us forever. Don't believe anything without proof. That's just my recommendation. argue/ Analyze everything because there are many lies and deceptions.The first ushering in of the Milleneum is prophesized to have its root in the church. So I agree with you. False prophets are many in the last days. And God have we seen them in abundance of late. And the church is the most powerful branch of government. /white flag/
TBe very careful about anything being presented by the Catholic church (vatican), and government, and world organizations such as the United Nations, etc. Certain parties have been trying to deceive us forever. Don't believe anything without proof. That's just my recommendation. argue/ Analyze everything because there are many lies and deceptions.The first ushering in of the Milleneum is prophesized to have its root in the church. So I agree with you. False prophets are many in the last days. And God have we seen them in abundance of late. And the church is the most powerful branch of government. /white flag/
The mega churches are full of false prophets who are using the church for their vile movements. Our Mega Church just recently slammed and fell flat on its face with charges of pedophilia and child sexual exploitation at its helm. Mjor payouts were handed down in the settlements; however some refuse o remain silent. Still, there are those members and worshippers of man who continue to ignore the truth and continue to follow this man. His name is Eddie Long. His ministry for young boys is called of all things “Eddie’s Longefellows”. Good grief /cook/ You can read about him and judge for yourselves. He’s just one of the many who are falling by the wayside and most all off the crimes they are committing are sins of a sexual nature - money, powere, lust. /overreacting/
http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/bishop-eddie-long-masculine-620225.html (http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/bishop-eddie-long-masculine-620225.html)
HesouttamylifeMaybe that’s why Akon said he had to call Mike, Dave, when kids were pointing and whispering the the threatre. Also MJ’s disguise interview as DaveDave. What you say is what I believe--that the Spirit of God is resting in Michael, just as God's Spirit resided within Jesus 2000 years ago.
Scripture says that during the Millennium, David will be the prince, king on Earth. Scripture says he will feed the people and be their shepherd. Scripture says, a little child shall lead them during this time of peace. (sounds familiar) God has been known to put the same spirit into different people. Is it possible that someone with the SPIRIT of David will rule as king on Earth during the Millennium? I believe so.
AndreaThat’s it! I’d been trying to think how to interpret the deeper message behind those words about destroying the Ark, and now with I’mConvinced’s thought that the announcement of the Ark was an evil omen, that would make sense then. Funny that MJ was an agent for the Vatican--maybe exposing it!!
Remember in Miss Cast Away where Michael says, " If you do not destroy the ark, then mankind will pay dearly for the consequences." This particular video shows that scene twice. I'm really wondering what he meant by this, it does not seem to be just a random story line, especially when it involves Michael Jackson.
Isaiah 9:5-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Think about it please..
What if Mj was really dead on june 25 th 2009 BUT hoax also exists . What if MJ wasn't only human but he really was ARCHANGEL MICHAEL. Think about it cause you have to think outside the box and expose AL theories . Is it a coincidence that MJ and Jesus Christ were both born of a father named JOSEPH and katherine equal " pure " in hebrew. Is it a coincidence that MJ is the 7th child ? is it a coincidence that he is the only one gifted of several talents ALL are PERFECTION Dance, sing, even he can draw... is it a coincidence that his name is MICHAEL JACKSON ( oth 7 letters) traducted as Who is like god the son of Jacob? is it a coincidencee that he's the only one who has VITILIGO. remember, Vitiligo touch only 2% of the whole world!!
Maybe michael kne when he was going to die, for a very long time before. because MJ is connected with god and higher source so it could be a theorie. then, maybe he decided to create a fake hoax ( a hoax within a hoax) in order to find some believers on june 25 th , and also denounce all injustice ( bad justice, bad government etc..) So, what if he really died on june 25th the same as jesus did too ? On the same day, family and knowers created the hoax at the same time , this could explain why there was 2 ambulances for exemple. i'm sorry for my bad english :s . They showed us the fake pictures and video on TV and HID all real proof that mj was really dead BUT if he really is the Archangel Michael, family KNOWS that he will resurrect very soon. this could explain " we are going to see the king". or when latoya wrote on the funeral book that she is impatient to see his brother on this earth AGAIN.
watch this please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcJprDeyLRE&feature=related . You can CLEARLY see how paris cried!
I saw, blanket, paris, prince, katherine, jermaine, and others CRY during the memoria. pictures don't lie. these are not FAKE tears. MJ is really dead at the moment BUT will resurect. and finallly this theorie can explain " the man you've never seen before" . And Although, When JC resurected, he had a new body, he came with an other form, an younger and beautiful body. the spiritual body .
What if mj will resurrect the same as jesus did? with a YOUNGER nody, with his spiritual body !!
this could explain WHY all movies , books , cds came out since 2011 show us ONLY mj pictures of thriller era why not after? will he come back with this apparence?
I just think it's an embedeed structure.
So now he is the Antichrist? WTF??
I sorry guys but jesus dosent exist and the bible wasnt written by god, it was wrttien by men.
Q: I have read alot of places that Michael read his bible alot in the thriller era and I was wondering if you ever saw him reading the bible or pray?
- He read the bible daily.
Q: Could you share what MJ's religious beliefs was? Was he a Christian?
- No comment on that. Oh believe me I know where he stood religiously...Im just not getting into that.
I sorry guys but jesus dosent exist and the bible wasnt written by god, it was wrttien by men.
Hy Iamambeliever :) ,I'm glad you wrote that,because now I can tell I also thought at this ,thank you :) .Mmmm his bodyguards even mentioned that Michael reads "Bible" every day ,intresting,I wonder what they meant with that ,because I always saw him with books for children and books about art,and history :? .Anyway here is what the bodyguards said:QuoteQ: I have read alot of places that Michael read his bible alot in the thriller era and I was wondering if you ever saw him reading the bible or pray?
- He read the bible daily.
Q: Could you share what MJ's religious beliefs was? Was he a Christian?
- No comment on that. Oh believe me I know where he stood religiously...Im just not getting into that.
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Hebrews 1:1-9)
"Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father." (John 6:46)
"No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."(John 1:18)
"No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us." (1 John 4:12)
"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Genesis 32:30)
"And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle."(Exodus 33:11)
"In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple." (Isaiah 6:1)
"I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee." (Job 42:5)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." (1 John 5:7-8)
"And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
"And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
"For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee."
Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” - John 14:6-7
Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” - John 14:6-7
Very good point, the words of Jesus Christ, Son of God.
Interesting topic.
I can not claim to have read the whole Bible, because the old testament is hard to go through. The new testament seems easier to comprehend. I can only say that I was left to make a choice to follow the christian teachings or not and it has been a long way.
@RK and @forstAMoon, I like your points too, although I don not necessary agree 100 %.
It is true that pride is the number one sin. Due to pride one of the arch angels was expelled from heaven. Greed is mentioned as sin many times too. From what I understand, those who follow the God commandments are brothers, sisters and mothers of Jesus. This is what he said, but I can not find the exact reference.
It is my understanding that God can not dwell in a heart that has pride. I think that Michael Jackson was a very gifted man and may have been on a spiritual quest himself, just by reading some of his lyrics and poems. But, a messenger of God would be a too big statement. MJ wanted to run the biggest show on Earth, impress everyone and that is a trace of pride or lack of humility and God would only talk to humble people. If Michael believed that God was channeling music to him it may have actually been the other one doing that. In that case I would feel only compassion for a human that was deceived and deceived others. Now, you talk about the one eye symbol a lot, the all seeing eye. It can clearly be seen on the cover of a well known book "Moonwalker".
I noticed that when most people talk about Christianity, they don't make a difference between various denominations. They are not in communion with one another, not to mention that they call one another 'heretics'. So, whatever has been done by a particular denomination is being mentioned as a wrongdoing of all Christians and that is not quite right. With a bit more research on the internet one can find interesting things about Christianity. May be research on resurrection would be a good starting point.
We are all spiritual beings having a human experience. We are all prone to death in this life, it is unavoidable. But energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Just because Jesus died in the flesh doesn't mean he can't reincarnate as Michael or someone else. Does that mean Michael is Jesus? Maybe. In my opinion, we are all of the same source, so it's not like we are putting him on a pedestal. Like he said himself, "we are all one". I don't think we are meant to worship anyone. That's the problem I've come to have with religion. I think the sole purpose of all religions is to wake us up to our true nature and be the little piece of god that we are. But we've been conditioned to be unaware of our own power and inner knowing. Michael Jackson woke me up to ME when I was very young, and thus I have loved him ever since. We are all mirrors for one another, you know? Anyway. I don't think we will all agree on this topic 100%, but it is progress that we are able to speak openly about it and entertain ideas without necessarily accepting them. In fact, with the way the world is today, I think it's very important not to accept ANYTHING as truth. We must let our minds stay open at all times or we'll definitely miss something.
@ Souza
It is OT the book of Isaiah chapter 14. Most people just quote 14:12 to 14:15
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12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Satan wanted to be God. The Bible tells us in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 that Satan has become the "god of this world". And Revelation 20:10 tells us that he will be eternally punished for it.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
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And Revelation that you quoted too, and second letter of St. Peter 2:4, and may be more.
Most people see nothing wrong in pride, but there is another point of view. Nothing happens without God's will or permission. If you do well, "Glory to God" if not "Glory to God" and see if you have not done something wrong.
Thank you for the Moonwalker cover. To me Michael Jackson is a human, not perfect as all other humans. But he had a good message. The second part of the biggest commandment, Mathew 22:35-40. This is something I respect.
I have to mention that I lack humility and just got the impression that only real ascetics can can get a message from God. The ones that lived in deserts in ancient times.
This thread feels so right to me. I have always believed that there are real angels amongst us and that Michael Jackson is truly one of them. Just from his own history the parallels are undeniable. Michael the Archangel just fits. From all that has been posted here and all that Michael Jackson has shown us during his lifetime, there is no question in my mind that he was given to us as a gift. Nothing else explains it. From his meager beginnings, to his strict upbringing, to his unyielding faith and belief in God, in his love for all living things, to this teachings that love starts and will end with the children, to his ability to do the impossible creatively, to his humbleness and lack of need to retaliate against those who trespass against him, to just about everything about him. The list goes on and on. This thread sends chills through me because there is something about Michael Jackson that is celestial. None before and I doubt any after will ever come as close to what I perceive an angel to be as Michael Jackson. His love for people and his empathy for all of God’s creatures was obviusly present at birth and only grew with world experience. Michael Jackson is a Godsend. Of thay my belief has never faltered.Wow, I don't believe that Michael Jackson is THE heavenly archangel Michael. You think Michael used to be Jesus? You think that Michael Jackson is dead then? I don't think the consensus here is 100% saying Michael Jackson is the archangel in heaven. I for one believe with all my life that he is NOT.
I never claimed Michael doesn't get help from God, quite the contrary. I said Michael has a big role in the times to come, which means that I believe he DOES get help from God, but I also believe he knows that himself.
But you are actually saying that great and big things can never be done by man, because that would not be humble? I bet Michael thanked God for his given talents many times.
I don't call hermits "crazy". Their choice.
@jono
I have to go, but I will ask this for now: where does it say Michael the Archangel was created? Angels yes, but the archangel? And why do you assume that the archangel is an angel too? Is the leader of a group of children also a kid?
AMEN to that!
if only every human looked to the bible for guidance and applied it, the world would be a perfect place...
This thread feels so right to me. I have always believed that there are real angels amongst us and that Michael Jackson is truly one of them. Just from his own history the parallels are undeniable. Michael the Archangel just fits. From all that has been posted here and all that Michael Jackson has shown us during his lifetime, there is no question in my mind that he was given to us as a gift. Nothing else explains it. From his meager beginnings, to his strict upbringing, to his unyielding faith and belief in God, in his love for all living things, to this teachings that love starts and will end with the children, to his ability to do the impossible creatively, to his humbleness and lack of need to retaliate against those who trespass against him, to just about everything about him. The list goes on and on. This thread sends chills through me because there is something about Michael Jackson that is celestial. None before and I doubt any after will ever come as close to what I perceive an angel to be as Michael Jackson. His love for people and his empathy for all of God’s creatures was obviusly present at birth and only grew with world experience. Michael Jackson is a Godsend. Of thay my belief has never faltered.Wow, I don't believe that Michael Jackson is THE heavenly archangel Michael. You think Michael used to be Jesus? You think that Michael Jackson is dead then? I don't think the consensus here is 100% saying Michael Jackson is the archangel in heaven. I for one believe with all my life that he is NOT.
This thread feels so right to me. I have always believed that there are real angels amongst us and that Michael Jackson is truly one of them. Just from his own history the parallels are undeniable. Michael the Archangel just fits. From all that has been posted here and all that Michael Jackson has shown us during his lifetime, there is no question in my mind that he was given to us as a gift. Nothing else explains it. From his meager beginnings, to his strict upbringing, to his unyielding faith and belief in God, in his love for all living things, to this teachings that love starts and will end with the children, to his ability to do the impossible creatively, to his humbleness and lack of need to retaliate against those who trespass against him, to just about everything about him. The list goes on and on. This thread sends chills through me because there is something about Michael Jackson that is celestial. None before and I doubt any after will ever come as close to what I perceive an angel to be as Michael Jackson. His love for people and his empathy for all of God’s creatures was obviusly present at birth and only grew with world experience. Michael Jackson is a Godsend. Of thay my belief has never faltered.Wow, I don't believe that Michael Jackson is THE heavenly archangel Michael. You think Michael used to be Jesus? You think that Michael Jackson is dead then? I don't think the consensus here is 100% saying Michael Jackson is the archangel in heaven. I for one believe with all my life that he is NOT.
Not “the Archangel” of biblical times, but the Archangel for our times. And hell no, I do not think he is or ever was Jesus. If that was implied, please pardon me.
@iamamjbeliever - please be careful how you articulate your feelings on religion. what you refered to as BS might be the very thing that some forum members uphold as sacred.
within this thread are several members who either follow study the bible and view it as sacred / believe MJ is affiliated with archangel and feel that belief is sacred / or are religiously inclined and believe that religion is sacred. please be careful not to cause offence.
and please educate yourself before calling it BS
@iamamjbeliever - please be careful how you articulate your feelings on religion. what you refered to as BS might be the very thing that some forum members uphold as sacred.
within this thread are several members who either follow study the bible and view it as sacred / believe MJ is affiliated with archangel and feel that belief is sacred / or are religiously inclined and believe that religion is sacred. please be careful not to cause offence.
and please educate yourself before calling it BS
I think you need to educate yourself, you guys call him Michael Jesus, and archangel. What the hell? Michael is Michael, he's not god, he's not jesus. some of you fans get on my nerve with your gullible nonsense. any pastor would laugh at you if you said mj is god, lmao
@iamamjbeliever - please be careful how you articulate your feelings on religion. what you refered to as BS might be the very thing that some forum members uphold as sacred.
within this thread are several members who either follow study the bible and view it as sacred / believe MJ is affiliated with archangel and feel that belief is sacred / or are religiously inclined and believe that religion is sacred. please be careful not to cause offence.
and please educate yourself before calling it BS
I think you need to educate yourself, you guys call him Michael Jesus, and archangel. What the hell? Michael is Michael, he's not god, he's not jesus. some of you fans get on my nerve with your gullible nonsense. any pastor would laugh at you if you said mj is god, lmao. Anyways i really dont care because religious is a myth, and its based on fear, guilt and shame.
@iamamjbeliever - please be careful how you articulate your feelings on religion. what you refered to as BS might be the very thing that some forum members uphold as sacred.
within this thread are several members who either follow study the bible and view it as sacred / believe MJ is affiliated with archangel and feel that belief is sacred / or are religiously inclined and believe that religion is sacred. please be careful not to cause offence.
and please educate yourself before calling it BS
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e1CWBKRWIg0[/youtube]
@iamamjbeliever - please be careful how you articulate your feelings on religion. what you refered to as BS might be the very thing that some forum members uphold as sacred.
within this thread are several members who either follow study the bible and view it as sacred / believe MJ is affiliated with archangel and feel that belief is sacred / or are religiously inclined and believe that religion is sacred. please be careful not to cause offence.
and please educate yourself before calling it BS
I think you need to educate yourself, you guys call him Michael Jesus, and archangel. What the hell? Michael is Michael, he's not god, he's not jesus. some of you fans get on my nerve with your gullible nonsense. any pastor would laugh at you if you said mj is god, lmao. Anyways i really dont care because religious is a myth, and its based on fear, guilt and shame.
@iamamjbeliever - i dont think that you have read this thread properly before you made comment. I FOR ONE MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT BELIEVE that mj is archangel and never will be. i also do not believe he is JC, ever was or ever will be. so please familiarise yourself with what i said and stated that i believe before you judge me not only ignorantly but incorrectly. i look forward to your apology as you are wrong that i believe mj is archangel / jesus. i am not being smart. just saying you are mistaken, i do not believe or say what you claimed that i did.
regarding educating myself. i have been educating myself in scripture / religion for 25 years and will continue to do so. regarding a pastor, i care not for their opinion. i verify things by studying the scriptures not by what a man tells me. (much like MJDH - look at evidence not what forum members tell me)
about your statement that religion is based on lies / shame / guilt. i agree with you to an extent. yes, MANY religions are based or infested with this 'ethos' however the 'bible' is not religion. the bible is holy scripture inspired by god. not corrupt. religion made by man is what could be called corrupt and many religions have been known to be entrenched with lies, guilt and shame throughout history, yes you are correct.
your term of "religion is a myth" doesnt make sense to me. (with no disprespect, unsure if i am not undertanding you as i am not sure english is your first language and that your sentance is written the way you intend to project your point) but religion is not a myth as most of the world subscribes to a religion of some sort. religion is very much real and the reason for much conflict across the world. i think what you mean (please correct me if i am wrong) that certain "beliefs" are a myth or untrue. no doubt that there are things that some religious people may believe in or practice that are untrue, unfounded and are either church doctrine, teachings passed down thru culture / church / religion opposed to being from the bible.
regarding the bible and god the creator, that is what i follow. him and his Word - not what you describe as mythical religion & beliefs.
again just to clarify, this post to you is sent with respect for your beliefs / point of view. my point to you was just to mention you do need to be careful when sharing your opinion and describing religion as BS - as there are people in this thread quite passionate about their belief and religion.
there are people here that i most certainly disagree with. i dont agree with catholisism, i dont agree with islam, i dont agree with hinduism, much like i dont agree that mj is the archangel or mordern day jesus. however out of respect for fellow members would never call their beliefs BS but instead will engage in appropriate, respectful debate / conversation.
that was my point.
peace to you and well wishes.
I have watched several videos about the Egyptians. There is a lot more information than just the one above, although that one was interesting. On the other videos I saw, the egyptians were doing a lot more than just worshipping the sun !!!!! [. . .] It does seem that christians, muslims, and others copied concepts and events from the Egyptians. Maybe there is a reason for that. Maybe it is not all a myth. Maybe some of it is. We don't know. They Maybe some of history repeats itself ?
I have watched several videos about the Egyptians. There is a lot more information than just the one above, although that one was interesting. On the other videos I saw, the egyptians were doing a lot more than just worshipping the sun !!!!! [. . .] It does seem that christians, muslims, and others copied concepts and events from the Egyptians. Maybe there is a reason for that. Maybe it is not all a myth. Maybe some of it is. We don't know. They Maybe some of history repeats itself ?
Hi, Dontwalkaway. Agree with the portion of your post quoted above. The information about the Egyptians is interesting if nothing else. The following is the first of the three videos posted by MJonmind (as mentioned in my earlier post). The most pertinent portion begins at 03:15; discussion includes Horus (3000 BC), Attis (1200 BC), Krishna (900 BC), Dionysus (500 BC), Mithra (1200 BC), and finally, the biblical Jesus.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb9r1yrEs6o&feature=related[/youtube]
I am interested in knowing what others think of this as well.
I have watched several videos about the Egyptians. There is a lot more information than just the one above, although that one was interesting. On the other videos I saw, the egyptians were doing a lot more than just worshipping the sun !!!!! [. . .] It does seem that christians, muslims, and others copied concepts and events from the Egyptians. Maybe there is a reason for that. Maybe it is not all a myth. Maybe some of it is. We don't know. They Maybe some of history repeats itself ?
Hi, Dontwalkaway. Agree with the portion of your post quoted above. The information about the Egyptians is interesting if nothing else. The following is the first of the three videos posted by MJonmind (as mentioned in my earlier post). The most pertinent portion begins at 03:15; discussion includes Horus (3000 BC), Attis (1200 BC), Krishna (900 BC), Dionysus (500 BC), Mithra (1200 BC), and finally, the biblical Jesus.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb9r1yrEs6o&feature=related[/youtube]
I am interested in knowing what others think of this as well.
That part of Zeitgeist can be thrown right into the trashbin:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFI6m6Icav4[/youtube]
It's based on nothing.
There is one person in this thread that really needs to learn what respect is, or else he/she can find another hoax forum.
@jono
I think there is way more evidence in the Bible of Jesus being THE archangel Michael, PLUS being part of the Godhead (which means Jesus doesn't have to be a literal angel, but the leader thereof). How else would you interpret the scriptures I posted? And I think Australian MJ BeLIEver had a pretty strong one as well.
So you do believe that Jesus is both God and refereed to as the archangel Michael in some scriptures?
That it is just another name to add to a long list of title of Jesus? You don't believe he is literally an angel?
Because my point is that God and angles are not the same thing, that the bible makes pretty clear..
@Aussie...but since Jesus is Michael and Michael is the archangel, isn't he an angel?
bible also makes pretty clear that jesus is seperate from god and is gods son a different and subordinate entity to GOD - GODS humble servent and not GOD.
- this is my son, the beloved, who i have approved....
- the father is greater than i...
- what I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me...
- As for seats at my right hand and my left, these are not mine to grant; they belong to those to whom they have been allotted by my Father...
@Aussie...but since Jesus is Michael and Michael is the archangel, isn't he an angel?
Leader of the angel does not automatically have to mean angel.
bible also makes pretty clear that jesus is seperate from god and is gods son a different and subordinate entity to GOD - GODS humble servent and not GOD.
- this is my son, the beloved, who i have approved....
- the father is greater than i...
- what I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me...
- As for seats at my right hand and my left, these are not mine to grant; they belong to those to whom they have been allotted by my Father...
Agree to disagree ;) quite the contrary actually!
Jesus as God -bible verses:
Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He (this is a direct reference to Exodus 3:14), you will die in your sins.”
John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM (again, a direct reference to Exodus 3:14),.”
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM (again, a direct reference to Exodus 3:14) the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Acts 20:28 - Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God,[a] which he bought with his own blood.
Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)
Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.
1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
Hebrews 1:8,9 - But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”
"Christ is the Lord" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ-8jYpa1-o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ-8jYpa1-o)
It is essential to the whole salvation message that Jesus was both 100% human and 100% God.
God was the only one who could take all mankind's sin away; this has to do with the original sin.
But yes, Jesus is the Son, and not the Father (separate entities in the trinity) but still they are one.
Jesus had to be 100% pure, the perfect sacrifice. That is why he had to be God; it is why a virgin gave birth to Jesus. That way the curse of the original sin wasbroken.
It was also essential for Jesus to be 100% human as it was the first human (Adam) who brought sin into mankind in the first place (Genesis 3). Jesus, who is also referred to as the second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45-47) came to set things right again (what Adam and Eve "screwed up", so to speak (1 Corinthians 15:22)).
God is 100% pure, he is Holy. That is why we could not have a relationship with Him before Jesus’ sacrifice. God cannot have a relationship with someone who is not 100% pure, that is why he came down (Emanuel, God with us - Matthew 1:23) and sacrificed his only son (who is one with God) and took ALL sin away. If we believe in Jesus as our God and Savior (Rom 10:9) and receive this amazing gift of LOVE, we can have fellowship with God once again (just like in Eden) and God does not see sin in us anymore because we are IN Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 3:28, Romans 6:11, Romans 8:1, Romans 12:5, 2 Corinthians 5:19 etc, etc…).
Salvation came to all mankind through faith in Jesus, and faith alone, not deeds. I just have to add party/ here!
However… I do feel sorry for everyone who does not want to receive this gift of LOVE or those who does not understand it (John 3:27).
1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
@ johno. yes humbly completely agree to disagree. with all respect the scriptues quoted do not convince me god and jesus are one.
jesus is gods most precious son—and for good reason. He is called “the firstborn of all creation,” for he was God’s first creation. (Colossians 1:15) there is something else that makes this son special. he is the “only-begotten son.” (John 3:16) meaning that Jesus is the only one directly created by god. jesus is also the only one whom god used when He created all other things. (Colossians 1:16) then, too, Jesus is called “the word.” (John 1:14) this tells us that he spoke for God, no doubt delivering messages and instructions to the father’s other sons, both spirit and human.
some believe the son is equal to god. that isnt what the bible teaches. as per above, the son was created. obviously, then, he had a beginning, where god has no beginning or end. very hard for mortal humans to grasp the concept, i know. see psalm 90:2. the only-begotten son never even considered trying to be equal to his father. bible clearly shows that the father is greater than the Son. (John 14:28; 1 Corinthians 11:3) God / yaweh / jah alone is “God Almighty.” (Genesis 17:1) therefore, he has no equal and is also not jesus.
also John 17.4,5 indicates that jesus has a special relationship with god. "i have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. So now you, father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.
@ johno. thank you for taking the time to site these scriptures for me. i do not believe and will never believe in the trinity. i respect you have studied theology. i too have studied for many many years, multiple religions and will continue in my studies.
yes, we dont all have to agree all the time. you say it couldnt be clearer. i guess, that is your opinion from looking at the scriptures through the perspective of the trinity. for me the father and son being seperate, and looking at the scriptures from this perspective, personally the scriptures couldnt be any clearer.
although we will ultimately and forever disagree, i have enjoyed this discussion with you
love and peace.
edit: JWs are most certaily not outside of christianity. i can say this as i am a JW. though we believe the father and son are seperate, we endeavour to emulate christ and put on the christlike personality daily. i can assure you we love jesus and though sinners (as we all are) aim to please god by being as christlike as possible. we respect the ransom and understand that the only way to have a relationship with god is thru jesus. also aknowlege that salvation is only possible by accepting christ. not being a smarty pants here, just clearing up any misconception that we are not christian. this clarification for me personally is very important. there are many readers of this thread and i would hate for any of them to think that JWs are not christian based on what has been read here.
Many Christians celebrate Christmas at 12/25. Scripture tells us Jesus was born somewhere between spring and autumn, because "shepherds were abiding in the field". They usually don't do that in winter. Many Christians observe Sunday as God's Holy day, the Sabbath, it is not. Saturday is Sabbath, and that is clear in the scriptures as well, since we know Jesus was crucified on a Friday, and the wanted to take the bodies (His and that of the two criminals next to him) down that day, because it was 'already Friday afternoon and it would soon be Sabbath". If Sabbath was on a Sunday, they could have taken down the bodies the next day. Those are only a few things where the majority is wrong. That can only mean that there is much more.
I believe myself to be saved through faith in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, also I am baptized in the Holy Spirit, I speak in tongues etc.Me too jono. That was the day that I woke up. Like stepping from the dark into the light. It has nothing to do with religion. Religion is man's attempt to please God. It never can or will. Being born again is being supernaturally birthed into the kingdom of God by blood and water, the blood of Jesus, the washing of the water of the word of God.
QuoteI believe myself to be saved through faith in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, also I am baptized in the Holy Spirit, I speak in tongues etc.Me too jono. That was the day that I woke up. Like stepping from the dark into the light. It has nothing to do with religion. Religion is man's attempt to please God. It never can or will. Being born again is being supernaturally birthed into the kingdom of God by blood and water, the blood of Jesus, the washing of the water of the word of God.
Revelations12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
This thread feels so right to me. I have always believed that there are real angels amongst us and that Michael Jackson is truly one of them. Just from his own history the parallels are undeniable. Michael the Archangel just fits. From all that has been posted here and all that Michael Jackson has shown us during his lifetime, there is no question in my mind that he was given to us as a gift. Nothing else explains it. From his meager beginnings, to his strict upbringing, to his unyielding faith and belief in God, in his love for all living things, to this teachings that love starts and will end with the children, to his ability to do the impossible creatively, to his humbleness and lack of need to retaliate against those who trespass against him, to just about everything about him. The list goes on and on. This thread sends chills through me because there is something about Michael Jackson that is celestial. None before and I doubt any after will ever come as close to what I perceive an angel to be as Michael Jackson. His love for people and his empathy for all of God’s creatures was obviusly present at birth and only grew with world experience. Michael Jackson is a Godsend. Of thay my belief has never faltered.Loved your post!
QuoteI believe myself to be saved through faith in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, also I am baptized in the Holy Spirit, I speak in tongues etc.Me too jono. That was the day that I woke up. Like stepping from the dark into the light. It has nothing to do with religion. Religion is man's attempt to please God. It never can or will. Being born again is being supernaturally birthed into the kingdom of God by blood and water, the blood of Jesus, the washing of the water of the word of God.
Revelations12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
Last year, this youtube user made a series of videos I watched out of curiosity. He compared different books and made the videos. Interesting.MissG, there are some strong reasons why certain groups reject Apostle Paul as sent by God, and say he is a false prophet. I've studied that in the past, but I'm not sure where I stand on that. There is a whole gamut of dogmatic beliefs out there, each with their proofs for their position, and that argue for opposite sides on most doctrines and issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaNHNRqhLNM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaNHNRqhLNM&feature=related)
Heptadic structure proves the Gospels are in perfect alignment:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flbaJfRwYxM[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYwLvtnoyc[/youtube]
Exactly. That's religion. Outward appearances such as drab clothing / no make up mean nothing. It's the inward man of the heart where we put on Christ. Religion tries to make people embrace conformity. Whereas, according to the scriptures, Christ's sacrifice is so sufficient that whether I am a spiritual baby, or a redeemed person who has been walking in a progressive revelation with and by the Spirit of God, I am complete IN HIM and because of Him..... Relationship not religion..... My daughter was just as much my daughter at 6 months old as she is now as an adult. The difference being, she has more wisdom and discernment now and doesn't need a carer to do everything for her. The same applies in the spiritual realm. I will always be thankful to those loving people who were a sounding board for me and prayer warriors on my behalf. They sure did have their work cut out for them. They were like spiritual fathers and mothers and I messed myself and cried and whinged a lot in those days. But I did start to grow and actually thrive on the food provided. As a believer in divine revelation, the dogmas, traditions, and rules and regulations of men leave me cold. Rather, it's a walk in the spirit. However, people have stopped and made camp, built churches around spiritual truths and experiences. Whether that be from the revelation of Martin Luther, where the doctrine of justification by faith was restored to the Church, through to the other great men and women pioneers such as Smith Wigglesworth, John G Lake, E.W. Kenyon, John Wesley, Kathryn Kuhlman, Aimee McPherson to recall a few off hand. People who were instrumental in restoring back much of what had been lost to the church during the dark ages. All people used by the Spirit of God to bring the Church during their time upon the earth to a place of spiritual advancement. See, the early Church of the book of Acts started off in a wave of glory. But one by one, the true doctrines of Christ were lost experientially and the gospel was like the corn of wheat that went into the ground and died. And it lay hidden within the dark ages until Martin Luther nailed his thesis on the Church door and birthed the start of the protestant reformation.QuoteI believe myself to be saved through faith in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, also I am baptized in the Holy Spirit, I speak in tongues etc.Me too jono. That was the day that I woke up. Like stepping from the dark into the light. It has nothing to do with religion. Religion is man's attempt to please God. It never can or will. Being born again is being supernaturally birthed into the kingdom of God by blood and water, the blood of Jesus, the washing of the water of the word of God.
Revelations12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
The different denominations of Christianity are an interesting study. Years ago, after deciding I wanted to “go deeper” in my relationship with God, I joined what is sometimes referred to as a “charismatic” or “holiness” church, that is, one where the belief is that it is necessary to get baptized in “Jesus’ name” and speak in tongues in order to gain salvation. According to the tenets of the faith, I “tarried for the Holy Ghost” and spoke in tongues and was told that no matter what I did from that point on (i.e., no matter what path or direction of faith I chose to take), because I had spoken in tongues, I would always be “saved.” Inevitably, as I studied the Bible with this particular denomination of Christianity, I began to compare the practices of this church with the practices of the church I grew up in. Basically, the denominations interpreted the same Bible in two different ways and, thereby, lived their lives according to the Bible and practiced their faith in two different ways:
BAPTIST
No tongues for salvation necessary
No baptism “in Jesus name” necessary
No women clergy allowed
Members wore colorful, individual-style clothing
Facial makeup okay
Indulged in magazines and movies
PENTECOSTAL
Tongues for salvation
Baptism “in Jesus name” necessary
Women could be ordained ministers and pastors (the pastor of the church was a woman)
Members wore dark, drab, clone-type clothing (distinctive clothing frowned upon)
Facial makeup frowned upon
Magazines and movies frowned upon
In short, I got into discussions with the pastors of each church. I told neither pastor about the meeting that I had with the other. The funny thing is, they both asked me the same question, “Who’s talking to you?” In other words, they wanted to know who or what was feeding me these sudden, as I referred to them, “‘Aha’ questions and opinions”? I took notice when the first pastor asked this of me, but I didn’t have an answer; however, when the second pastor asked, in that moment, I realized that it was “I”, my Self/Soul, generating these sudden questions and opinions (Soul was “awake” and in charge, Souza :lol: ).
Life is interesting to say the least.
Wonderful posts you guys... /bravo/
Christianity isn't a new Religion; it's a Relationship! It started in the garden with Adam & Eve.
respect/
I don't know if this belongs here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069765/Ark-Covenant-revealed-leaking-roof-Ethiopian-chapel.html
I don't know if this belongs here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069765/Ark-Covenant-revealed-leaking-roof-Ethiopian-chapel.html
Definitely the right place Gina!
The real ark is still in Jerusalem, so if they have anything, it's not real.
I don't know if this belongs here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069765/Ark-Covenant-revealed-leaking-roof-Ethiopian-chapel.html
Definitely the right place Gina!
The real ark is still in Jerusalem, so if they have anything, it's not real.
This is what I heard also about 20-25 yrs ago on TBN. It was found sealed in tunnels somewhere under Jerusalem; the Priests have seen it, and it is being protected until the third Temple is built. All the implements have/are being made, Priests have been trained, robes made, and the Red Heifer has been found and is being bred.
What is the mystery that surrounds the Ark of the Covenant?
Where is the Ark of God? And what is its ultimate destiny?
The Ark of the Covenant, a prominent fixture in the narratives of the Old Testament, certainly seems to have disappeared from view after the Babylonian captivity, which began in 606 B.C. There are many theories as to what happened to the Ark of the Covenant. In the popularized and well-attended fantasy movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark, the mystery surrounding the Ark was dramatized. In this provocative study, Chuck and Bob discuss the mystery surrounding the Ark, new evidence of its possible location and the future role it may play in the end times.
Seat of Mercy Part 1: The Ultimate Compass
Listen to Part 1 »
Seat of Mercy Part 2: Where is the Ark of the Covenant?
Listen to Part 2 »
Seat of Mercy Part 3: How did it get there?
Listen to Part 3 »
Seat of Mercy Part 4: The Fate of the Ark of the Covenent
Listen to Part 4 »
http://www.khouse.org/6640/CDA07-1/ (http://www.khouse.org/6640/CDA07-1/)
I don't know if this belongs here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069765/Ark-Covenant-revealed-leaking-roof-Ethiopian-chapel.html
Definitely the right place Gina!
The real ark is still in Jerusalem, so if they have anything, it's not real.
This is what I heard also about 20-25 yrs ago on TBN. It was found sealed in tunnels somewhere under Jerusalem; the Priests have seen it, and it is being protected until the third Temple is built. All the implements have/are being made, Priests have been trained, robes made, and the Red Heifer has been found and is being bred.
What is the mystery that surrounds the Ark of the Covenant?
Where is the Ark of God? And what is its ultimate destiny?
The Ark of the Covenant, a prominent fixture in the narratives of the Old Testament, certainly seems to have disappeared from view after the Babylonian captivity, which began in 606 B.C. There are many theories as to what happened to the Ark of the Covenant. In the popularized and well-attended fantasy movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark, the mystery surrounding the Ark was dramatized. In this provocative study, Chuck and Bob discuss the mystery surrounding the Ark, new evidence of its possible location and the future role it may play in the end times.
Seat of Mercy Part 1: The Ultimate Compass
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Seat of Mercy Part 2: Where is the Ark of the Covenant?
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Seat of Mercy Part 3: How did it get there?
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Seat of Mercy Part 4: The Fate of the Ark of the Covenent
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Thanks for these MissTrinity!
I am going to listen to them later.