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Title: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: starlight30 on September 27, 2011, 04:17:50 PM
1. Yellow cab company outside with number 222-2222. I think the area code was 246. Yellow cab in the Wiz and toy cab on judge's desk in past.
2. V mask on back of someone's head outside.
3. Another odd photo on gurney.
4. Voice on tape sounds like a prank from a comedian. (That was funny). Nobody is mentioning how it sounds nothing like him.
5. Prosecutor mumbles I'm bad and Defense mentions 3D Thriller movie.
6. When they show MJ's dresser in his bedroom it has Sweet Baby banner on it w/lots of baby photos on plates, I think. lol.
7. Conrad support banner flying on an aircraft.
8. Some guy outside saying hugs not drugs with a he's bad sign.
9. A lawyer named Joey Jackson commenting on case.
10. Even one of the commercials seemed off to me.
11. Some guards have chevron on sleeve, some have a star instead.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside trial so far
Post by: onejuly on September 27, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
I noticed in the courtroom they spelled 'Michael' wrong on the paper. And it was on a pretty big piece of paper. LOL how professional.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on September 27, 2011, 04:58:02 PM
Is it just me or is it really odd that there was a lot of laughter and loud talking on the background of Murray's audio interview. It sounded like there was a party going on.. suspicious//  Weird, in such a serious case like this, I would prefer a more quiet place to do an interview :?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: monstertooty on September 27, 2011, 07:37:30 PM
Michael on the hospital bed seem to have no legs and reminded me of ET whenhe was dying. The audiosounds like ET as well. Oh..one more thing, acertain movie alien had CPR done on A BED!!!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 27, 2011, 08:05:13 PM
I had a horrible reception and couldn't watch it all - bummer :(

Anyways, what I noticed is that Dr Murray and Paul Gongaware (CEO of AEG Live) seemed to be wearing the same time and Kenny Ortega's was really close in color too. They were all blue. Perhaps someone will be able to put up a screen shot of these three for comparison. I'll try as well.

Blessings
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: onthewingsoflove on September 27, 2011, 09:17:04 PM
Hi there,

Maybe I have totally lost it, but I would swear that the judge I saw today was not the same judge Michael Pastor that's been sitting in that seat. In fact does anyone have that picture of him with the yellow cab on his bench? That is not the same judge!!!!!

I can't seem to find any old pictures from the preliminary hearings, but I know I'm not senile! :x

Blessings,
OnTheWingsOfLove

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: RK on September 27, 2011, 09:19:33 PM
You are right. I had the exact same thought. Original Pastor had black hair from memory as well as different features
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: ejay on September 27, 2011, 10:08:44 PM
These are the judges  I remember @1.17 seconds....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcgQDxCdBFU

@ 5 seconds..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gJ1PcwSUrg
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: starlight30 on September 27, 2011, 10:58:38 PM
Yeah, Paul pointed out Murray as the guy w/the blue tie and lifted up his own tie to drawn attention to the fact they were similar. The original judge w/the toys did have black hair. So Off The Wall. There was alot of noise in the background. Kenny's email to Randy abt  rubbing MJ's feet....funny. I wonder what that is suppose to convey? That message they keep playing it. Who is that? The ET story that is interesting. That gurney picture was very odd. Then there was LaToya's finger. ET phone home. Today I read the Ruby Slippers are up for auction. There is no place like home.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: mjthelegendlives on September 27, 2011, 11:24:10 PM
I dont want to start a thread on this, and sorry if it has been posted elsewhere, but I found this video very interesting...at :51 seconds the reporter explains who are the members of the jury....one of them is a tv director!  Maybe this is nothing, but still its interesting.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3wI20hUfs4[/youtube]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: starlight30 on September 27, 2011, 11:49:12 PM
From Wiki:
Standing near the spaceship, E.T.'s heart glows as he prepares to return home. Mary, Gertie, and "Keys", a government agent, show up. E.T. says goodbye to Michael and Gertie, and before entering the spaceship, tells Elliott "I'll be right here", pointing his glowing finger to Elliott's heart. E.T. then picks up the flower pot Gertie gave him, walks into the spaceship, and takes off, leaving a rainbow in the sky as Elliott watches the ship leave.
The weird hand in the gurney. LaToya's index finger swollen. I think u r right.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 27, 2011, 11:54:48 PM
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From Wiki:
Standing near the spaceship, E.T.'s heart glows as he prepares to return home. Mary, Gertie, and "Keys", a government agent, show up. E.T. says goodbye to Michael and Gertie, and before entering the spaceship, tells Elliott "I'll be right here", pointing his glowing finger to Elliott's heart. E.T. then picks up the flower pot Gertie gave him, walks into the spaceship, and takes off, leaving a rainbow in the sky as Elliott watches the ship leave.
The weird hand in the gurney. LaToya's index finger swollen. I think u r right.


Wow - the connection is great. I can totally see that in my mind and it connects with "key" that Front spoke about.

Thanks for sharing this. Blessings :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: nick_93 on September 27, 2011, 11:54:58 PM
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I had a horrible reception and couldn't watch it all - bummer :(

Anyways, what I noticed is that Dr Murray and Paul Gongaware (CEO of AEG Live) seemed to be wearing the same time and Kenny Ortega's was really close in color too. They were all blue. Perhaps someone will be able to put up a screen shot of these three for comparison. I'll try as well.

Blessings


Yes you are exactly right! I noticed this too! I was watching live on the page Souza put up and made a mention of this in the chat but no one said anything. I think even the suits in general were all very similar and not just the ties.

L.O.V.E
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Coco on September 27, 2011, 11:57:14 PM
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1. Yellow cab company outside with number 222-2222. I think the area code was 246. Yellow cab in the Wiz and toy cab on judge's desk in past.
2. V mask on back of someone's head outside.
3. Another odd photo on gurney.
4. Voice on tape sounds like a prank from a comedian. (That was funny). Nobody is mentioning how it sounds nothing like him.
5. Prosecutor mumbles I'm bad and Defense mentions 3D Thriller movie.
6. When they show MJ's dresser in his bedroom it has Sweet Baby banner on it w/lots of baby photos on plates, I think. lol.
7. Conrad support banner flying on an aircraft.
8. Some guy outside saying hugs not drugs with a he's bad sign.
9. A lawyer named Joey Jackson commenting on case.
10. Even one of the commercials seemed off to me.
11. Some guards have chevron on sleeve, some have a star instead.

About the voice on that tape, Anthony Jackson tweeted this -

ATONCLASSIC ANTHONY JACKSON
I feel like I'm watching a soap opera. So many lies, innuendoes and I don't even believe that was his voice.
12 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

The family is speaking out. I wonder what the lies and innuendoes are? And why a soap opera?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: starlight30 on September 28, 2011, 12:14:03 AM
Is this a kangaroo court or r we in the Twilight Zone?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 28, 2011, 12:24:34 AM
Kenny didn't even know what time it was...remember he said to the lawyer that MJ moved to the Staples Center near the end of June and the lawyer was like 'but Michael died June 25th 2009'...and Kenny still looked confused.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: badkolo on September 28, 2011, 12:36:21 AM
i swear i saw the lady who swore in kenny have a toy rabbit in her hand

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: onthewingsoflove on September 28, 2011, 01:07:14 AM
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You are right. I had the exact same thought. Original Pastor had black hair from memory as well as different features

Thanks RK, I was beginning to think that maybe I'm thinking about the judge in the OJ Simpson trial because they both had black hair and a beard.

I think that Michael is really putting it to the media and those who believe everything that the media shoves at them. I mean the change of judges is so blatant! And we are the only ones to pick up on that. The news media who have been reporting on this for the past two years haven't noticed it! :lol:

Stay blessed!
OnThe WingsOfLove
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: onthewingsoflove on September 28, 2011, 01:16:28 AM
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These are the judges  I remember @1.17 seconds....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcgQDxCdBFU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcgQDxCdBFU)

@ 5 seconds..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gJ1PcwSUrg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gJ1PcwSUrg)

WoW!  Does this mean that there have been 3 different Judge Michael Pastor?

The judge in the first video with the black hair and the beard is the Judge Pastor that I was thinking about!  Thanks for the post!

Also what do you all think about LaToya's last tweet from the courthouse? "It's been an interesting day."  :shock:

Blessings My Friends
OnTheWingOfLove

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: underthemoon on September 28, 2011, 02:30:46 AM
I have to read much today...thanks for every video link...my pc is to low, i could not watch the live stream... bangbang
Another proof that it's all a hoax is that we can see the hearings and see pics and so on.
Here are the rules on court....no pics, no video, no cell phone...no messages to twitter or facebook....all they don't want is done !
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=Peo+v+Conrad+Murray&casenum=SA073164&date=2010-05-04%2010:54:51 (http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=Peo+v+Conrad+Murray&casenum=SA073164&date=2010-05-04%2010:54:51)
We thought they don't want to take MJ Fans as jurors, but they are fans and followed the news and so on...
It was in every thing the opposite and Michael is alive, not dead ! The opposite !
I feel so outside when i am not be able to watch.... :(
When are the dates and can someone tell me the tv chanel where they show it ? I will try to get it in germany.
Blessings
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: shamz on September 28, 2011, 07:47:10 AM
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Is it just me or is it really odd that there was a lot of laughter and loud talking on the background of Murray's audio interview. It sounded like there was a party going on.. suspicious//  Weird, in such a serious case like this, I would prefer a more quiet place to do an interview :?

no honey it wasn't just u lol i heard it as well.....i wonder wot they were celebrating?  party/ loool
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on September 28, 2011, 08:03:29 AM
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You are right. I had the exact same thought. Original Pastor had black hair from memory as well as different features

 OMG! Same here. I thought the same. Is he the same Pastor?  suspicious//

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ATONCLASSIC ANTHONY JACKSON
I feel like I'm watching a soap opera. So many lies, innuendoes and I don't even believe that was his voice.
12 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

The family is speaking out. I wonder what the lies and innuendoes are? And why a soap opera?

 /bravo/  /woohoo/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: starlight30 on September 28, 2011, 02:02:23 PM
Today on HLN there was another odd commercial, did anyone see it? There was a commercial about seeing the world in super focus. It wasn't a commercial but a message.
Then when his assistant Michael A. Williams pointed out to Murray he pointed to CM's gray suit and he also has on a gray suit. They both have gray suits and yellow ties. Yesterday it was blue ties.
Then there was a mention of Keys.
The video of the phone message was odd too. What was that?
Now Jane Valez is talking about CM's message on the Iphone. How is she keeping a straight face?
Wait...now HLN has on a lawyer named "Joseph" w/a yellow tie and gray suit. He just repeated, MJ died so fast he had no time to close his eyes.  :lol:
Now the other anchor(with a yellow tie) just said the lawyer is taking Moon Shots???? Was that improv class??? And jurors have 3 ring...circus...I mean binders....what???We never see the jury. I can't too funny.
Dr. Gupta said MJ played possum?????
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: LaLove09 on September 28, 2011, 02:25:17 PM
Hello ALL... I'm not sure if this is the right thread to mention the new aspect I can add to this all. I haven't been here in a long time. Just wanted to give you my 2 cents. After one opens their 3rd eye shit gets even more disturbing!! I can see auras within any kinda media. And not seeing one around Mike on that stretcher saddens me. No aura= death. HOWEVER there are many overlays in that pic. So eye may be getting a false reading. That pic looks to be altered. Now IDK if Mike went to the extent of making sure there are no auras in "evidence" But um this is NOT GOOD at ALL! And from the looks of Dr Murray's aura. He's no clever "actor" in this... his ass is cloudy, but, cloudy is better than having a muddy aura. Well there's my 2 cents. Sorry if this dampens things. But Mike wanted up to see through the veils and eye can more than EVER. ♥♥♥ CAN ANYONE ELSE SEE AURAS?? If so let's team up and interpret our findings...♥♥♥
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sweetangel on September 28, 2011, 04:12:18 PM
Hello underthemoon,

don't be sad. I had the same problem yesterday we are sitting in the same boot and shipping down the Rhein.
Today I have find out that Bild.de is streaming the Trial. They are streaming it now. (23.09 Uhr unsere Zeit).

Much Peace and Love to everyone.

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on September 28, 2011, 04:57:41 PM
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Today on HLN there was another odd commercial, did anyone see it? There was a commercial about seeing the world in super focus. It wasn't a commercial but a message.
Then when his assistant Michael A. Williams pointed out to Murray he pointed to CM's gray suit and he also has on a gray suit. They both have gray suits and yellow ties. Yesterday it was blue ties.
Then there was a mention of Keys.
The video of the phone message was odd too. What was that?
Now Jane Valez is talking about CM's message on the Iphone. How is she keeping a straight face?
Wait...now HLN has on a lawyer named "Joseph" w/a yellow tie and gray suit. He just repeated, MJ died so fast he had no time to close his eyes.  :lol:
Now the other anchor(with a yellow tie) just said the lawyer is taking Moon Shots???? Was that improv class??? And jurors have 3 ring...circus...I mean binders....what???We never see the jury. I can't too funny.
Dr. Gupta said MJ played possum?????

I asked what's up with the yellow tie on the trial chat. :lol: What was the meaning of yellow?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: _Anna_ on September 28, 2011, 05:43:54 PM
jesus...  did you notice his tie? Sunflower?  it's unbelievable. Regardless that is not a tie to be worn on COURT, sunflower? Maybe it's just me, but in his place I would want to  have a certain pressence and I would choose my clothes appropiate for the event. It's unbelievable.. What's his name? It escapes me

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3820/tiee.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/tiee.jpg/)

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9158/tie2g.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/tie2g.jpg/)

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: onthewingsoflove on September 28, 2011, 08:55:39 PM
Hi all,

I missed the opening statements on yesterday so I'm just seeing the picture of Michael on the gurney. Where did they have that picture when they took it?  Notice that there is nothing else in the picture.  No other furniture, hospital equipment, no trash on the floor such as pieces of syringes, paper wrappings, gauze, cotton balls, tape, rubber gloves, tubing, you can't even see the tile on the floor!  It looks like one of those pictures especially made for the front cover of a tabloid magazine, except this one was especially made for the courtroom part of the haox! ;)

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/BillCarroll.html?article=9169908

Blessings!
OnTheWingsOfLove
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on September 28, 2011, 10:28:33 PM
@Anna, you sure you see Sunflowers in his tie? I have heard a lot of people say this but I'm not sure they are. Sunflowers should have a round, dark center, not a feathery (uneven) one so I'm getting tripped up there.


Anyone notice that Chernoff isn't so short anymore? In those Venice Beach Chernoff/Murray Coke placement pics, Chernoff looked about 5' tall... which would be unusually short for a man. In court he appears to be of average proportion. I keep thinking about the Hobbit and how they exaggerated the hobbit's short stature while making Gandolf appear as a giant with creative camera angles.


Chernoff doesn't seem to have a suit that fits him. They are all too big.


I'm confused about the Judge Pastor thing too. What happened to taxi cab Judge? Wasn't that Judge Michael Pastor? I feel like I'm forgetting something here and I wasn't able to find those pics again to track down his name.


The elephant on the desk of the lady that swears in witnesses is 100% confirmed... with it's back to the camera. Perfect  8-) .


Today I caught a glimpse of something white and fuzzy on the secretary's desk, to the camera's right of the plant, tucked behind what looks like a laptop screen. It looks possibly stuffed animal like. If it's a white rabbit, how much will we all be doing cartwheels tomorrow?  bounce/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: RK on September 28, 2011, 10:39:10 PM

the pattern on that tie appears like it's both. Sunflowers when viewed as a complete pattern and maple leaf when focussing on the dark centres. It seems both are present. perception?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on September 28, 2011, 11:24:27 PM
Oh gee an optical illusion tie. What a surprise.



Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: starlight30 on September 28, 2011, 11:38:57 PM
The original Judge Pastor /the toys had black hair w/a beard and glasses. He has been replaced w/his guy that tells pp not to say ah-huh like in JAM.

On the weekend HLN had a special. In the scene Murray had a tie w/blk and wht looking like keys. In front of him was an extremely short court officer making a weird face.

Then today outside the courtroom, on HLN, there was an easel w/a Vendetta poster n MJ. kewl, ah-huh.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on September 29, 2011, 12:09:19 AM
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the pattern on that tie appears like it's both. Sunflowers when viewed as a complete pattern and maple leaf when focussing on the dark centres. It seems both are present. perception?

Does that tie in with the "Believe" candy during winter olympics in Canada?

(http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/1011/8e/d33cb0bf7a4b.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: _Anna_ on September 29, 2011, 01:20:11 AM
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@Anna, you sure you see Sunflowers in his tie? I have heard a lot of people say this but I'm not sure they are. Sunflowers should have a round, dark center, not a feathery (uneven) one so I'm getting tripped up there.

bec, not if they are actually photographed/seen from different angles. here the flowers are not photographed from front, but from different angles and the dark center is sometimes covered by the petals.
 
I searched for a few photos to see what I am talking about. In my opinion those are sunflowers
 


https://www.4165flower.com/files/products/products/sassy%20sunflowers2-full.jpg (https://www.4165flower.com/files/products/products/sassy%20sunflowers2-full.jpg)
 
http://www.the-wedding-zone.co.uk/images/flower-sunflower-bucket.jpg (http://www.the-wedding-zone.co.uk/images/flower-sunflower-bucket.jpg)
 


http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQydPOkeo2E-YKQVrtEoBCInpi9o01wj_w-4_0wEghMh-ol63wn-g2O1HIO (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQydPOkeo2E-YKQVrtEoBCInpi9o01wj_w-4_0wEghMh-ol63wn-g2O1HIO)
 
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_skoudgScMio/TCFEQyTukvI/AAAAAAAAFEk/CoSonqNikXc/s1600/yellow+sunflower+wedding+flowers+Kuga+Designs.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_skoudgScMio/TCFEQyTukvI/AAAAAAAAFEk/CoSonqNikXc/s1600/yellow+sunflower+wedding+flowers+Kuga+Designs.jpg)
 http://www.growersbox.com/images/products/146_image.sunflowers%20275.jpg
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on September 29, 2011, 01:36:19 AM
@Anna, oh oh oh I get it now. Yes, I see what you mean. Thanks for the pics.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: _Anna_ on September 29, 2011, 01:53:05 AM
This is a good shot of what I'm trying to say

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Xd2tr8jvrfw/TDqjo0ZUZbI/AAAAAAAACKU/CZ5oPIbaOE4/s400/Summer+Sunflower+Bouquet.jpg
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: underthemoon on September 29, 2011, 02:24:34 AM
Yesterday i forgot the link to the court rules....
Here it is...the second from the top:
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=Peo+v+Conrad+Murray&casenum=SA073164&date=2010-05-04%2010:54:51 (http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=Peo+v+Conrad+Murray&casenum=SA073164&date=2010-05-04%2010:54:51)
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: emeraldcity on September 29, 2011, 02:48:39 AM
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Hi there,

Maybe I have totally lost it, but I would swear that the judge I saw today was not the same judge Michael Pastor that's been sitting in that seat. In fact does anyone have that picture of him with the yellow cab on his bench? That is not the same judge!!!!!

I can't seem to find any old pictures from the preliminary hearings, but I know I'm not senile! :x

Blessings,
OnTheWingsOfLove



Yes, I agree about there being more than one Judge Michael Pastor.  I'm also interested in the name.  It makes me think of "Michael - Past..or..Present" ???  :D
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: use_your_illusion on September 29, 2011, 04:00:43 AM
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I'm confused about the Judge Pastor thing too. What happened to taxi cab Judge? Wasn't that Judge Michael Pastor? I feel like I'm forgetting something here and I wasn't able to find those pics again to track down his name.

Well here is an article of CM at the Airport Courthouse last year (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Media/conrad-murray-due-court-katherine-joe-jackson-fight/story?id=10910329) and the Judge was Judge Michael Pastor but the Judge taking over the trial does not look the same.

Here is Judge Michael Pastor at the Airport Courthouse

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ-_l4dUR6A&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: InternetResearcher on September 29, 2011, 04:08:46 AM
Maybe I have totally lost it, but I would swear that the judge I saw today was not the same judge Michael Pastor that's been sitting in that seat. In fact does anyone have that picture of him with the yellow cab on his bench? That is not the same judge!!!!!

I can't seem to find any old pictures from the preliminary hearings, but I know I'm not senile! :x

Ok I thought I was seeing a different Judge Pastor but I have the answer.  We are mistaking Judge Pastor for Judge Keith Schwartz who was the 1st Judge in the original proceedings of the Conrad Murray trial.  I have a link to photo where the judge is with the toy car http://http://i48.tinypic.com/28bha28.jpg
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fordtocarr on September 29, 2011, 09:15:59 AM
La Toya has been giving good clues.... and then we got that good one from Teddy too!!!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: onthewingsoflove on September 30, 2011, 02:00:43 AM
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Hi there,

Maybe I have totally lost it, but I would swear that the judge I saw today was not the same judge Michael Pastor that's been sitting in that seat. In fact does anyone have that picture of him with the yellow cab on his bench? That is not the same judge!!!!!

I can't seem to find any old pictures from the preliminary hearings, but I know I'm not senile! :x

Blessings,
OnTheWingsOfLove



Yes, I agree about there being more than one Judge Michael Pastor.  I'm also interested in the name.  It makes me think of "Michael - Past..or..Present" ???  :D

Love it!!!!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJonmind on September 30, 2011, 02:39:22 AM
The sunflowers on the tie are a great hoax shoutout! They look to me more of a ripened head.

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdr1uVRNPGQyD4isRh2R_kgBg5kEwatNmhX8ivhV251wx5639KlVkB5g)

Does that mean we're coming closer to fruition, the realization of the hoax?

starlight30
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Dr. Gupta said MJ played possum?????
What a great analogy to MJ's "death"!

From Wiki:
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Apparent death, colloquially known as playing dead or playing possum, is an antipredator behavior observed in a wide range of animals in which they take on the appearance of being dead to an observer. This could either be an involuntary reflex action, as in tonic immobility; or an adaptive behavior as in thanatosis, which is used both as a defense mechanism and as a form of aggressive mimicry.
Tonic immobility is a natural state of paralysis that animals enter, in most cases when presented with a threat. Some scientists relate it to mating in certain animals like the shark. Some sharks can be placed in a tonic state. The shark remains in this state of paralysis for an average of fifteen minutes before it recovers. Scientists have exploited this phenomenon to study shark behaviour. The effects of chemical shark repellent have been studied to test effectiveness and to narrow down dose sizes, concentrations, and time to awaken.[1]
In animal behaviour, thanatosis (from the Greek noun θανάτωσις meaning "putting to death") is the process by which an animal feigns death in order to evade unwelcome attention.
For defensive purposes, thanatosis hinges on the pursuers' becoming unresponsive to its victim, as most predators only catch live prey.[
In the spider species Pisaura mirabilis, male spiders often stage elaborate rituals of gift-giving and thanatosis to avoid getting eaten by female spiders during mating.
In the cichlid Haplochromis livingstoni, thanatosis serves an aggressive purpose. The large predatory fish will lie down on its side on the bottom sediments and assume a blotchy coloration. Scavengers, attracted to what seems like a dead fish, will approach the predator to investigate. H. livingstoni then abandons the pretense, righting itself again and quickly eating any scavenger unfortunate enough to come too close
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: shamz on September 30, 2011, 06:54:05 AM
Michael's bodyguard and Murray's crap lawyer wore blue ties on the 3rd day of the trial....is blue in fashion now?   :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on September 30, 2011, 09:04:36 AM
And this comparison could be sunflowers


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8s4HxopZ8bI/ToTsXnXdj5I/AAAAAAAACEQ/AKBG8wxX9n0/s1600/abogado+de+Murray.jpg)












(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5IxgAD4MrdQ/ToTsbWZcMAI/AAAAAAAACEU/jpR8F837BVE/s1600/corbata+abogado+murray.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on September 30, 2011, 09:27:22 AM
Soooo, Michael was a drug addict but he wanted to eat healthy food all the time. Contradiction again.

Murray asked Kai to get help, security and Prince! Prince?!? The kids were loving Murray a lot and he was like a friend to them, so if something was really wrong with Michael, would Murray want the kids to see their dad like that? Especially a 12 year old kid? I don't think so.

Kai went to the kitchen to keep on cooking just after she saw Murray in a panic. Yeah, of course cooking is the most important thing to do in a situation like that.
  geek/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: ninanin on September 30, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
HI all :=)
There is something strange with the pictures shown the first day of the trial. I don`t know if this has been mentioned before so I apologize if it has.
The "death" picture was shown together with a picture of one of MJ`s last performances at the staples center "earth song". ( When he was wearing the thick jacket because he was so cold ).  This was taken on the 24th June we have been told.   Now please correct me if anything of what I just said is wrong.
The thing is...... earth song was recorded at the forum.  You can see on TII film,earth song,  that the seats are orange colored. The seats at the staples ...are blue.  SO ....  It can not be one of the last pictures as we are told .....and ...why are they lying in court ?



Sorry I can`t print a picture here 

much love
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on September 30, 2011, 10:26:08 AM
I forgot to add one more thing. Alverez said that Murray told him not to let the kids see their dad like that but Chase said Murray called for Prince. Which one is it? :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: goat on September 30, 2011, 11:24:03 AM
Not sure anyone has commented on this but during the first day of the trial me and my wife could not start laughing.Out of nowhere,someone broke wind of almighty proportions.I couldnt believe it!There were giggles throughout the courtroom,even conrad managed a smile.It is the most unprofessional courtroom setting i have ever witnessed.My local courtroom is far more pro than this.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Aidan_81 on September 30, 2011, 11:37:44 AM
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..I couldnt believe it!There were giggles throughout the courtroom,even conrad managed a smile.It is the most unprofessional courtroom setting i have ever witnessed.My local courtroom is far more pro than this.

- same feeling here. It looks more like one of those staged "based on real events" trial TV
shows we have here in my country for entertainment, I found myself sniggering [not giggling
happily!] in disbelief over how unprofessional ppl act, shocking at times.  suspicious//  they should try better.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Vietnow on September 30, 2011, 12:10:09 PM
Did anyone notice that right before the today's trial coverage began (on HLN), they included the closing bits to Michael's child molestation accusations?

They quoted from roughly 3:43-4:07.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEea0Vcj1-c

Am I the only one that found that a little weird and slightly disturbing? Maybe that is Michael's way of contacting us indirectly?  8)

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: starlight30 on September 30, 2011, 12:35:59 PM
Awwwhhh. It all relates back to that. It is a way to convey the message to us.
Then the lawyer said tater tots instead of table tops one time.
The last guy said he felt abandoned. The doctor said on the phone I love u and miss u. I think he is representing MJ feeling abandoned. awwwhhhh.
Then I know someone who obtained Sirius this week. We were listening to 80's on 8. I love the 80's. They had a commerical spot for their station. I hear MJ's voice, "I have something to you tell" as part of the commercial mixed in. Then later they played Thriller.
Yesterday Vinnie on HLN said, everyone knows CPR you shake the person n ask, Annie are you ok, Annie are you ok. /woohoo/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: onejuly on September 30, 2011, 04:30:10 PM
Anyone watching the trial live right now? An alarm just went off (not to mention the judge told yet ANOTHER joke, making everyone laugh.. again. So professional, right? lol) Reminds me of the alarm that went off at UCLA on the 25th. And wasn't there an alarm heard in the background of the audio? So many alarms.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: techdiva on September 30, 2011, 05:08:10 PM
I found a photo of Judge Michael Pastor with dark hair
http://www.tmz.com/person/judge-michael-pastor/ (http://www.tmz.com/person/judge-michael-pastor/)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: monstertooty on September 30, 2011, 07:06:57 PM
 suspicious// i wonder if there was an alarm at the courthouse today...If not then the footage being shown is not LIVE
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 30, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
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Anyone watching the trial live right now? An alarm just went off (not to mention the judge told yet ANOTHER joke, making everyone laugh.. again. So professional, right? lol) Reminds me of the alarm that went off at UCLA on the 25th. And wasn't there an alarm heard in the background of the audio? So many alarms.

When that alarm went off I looked down at the clock on my computer and it said 2;26 pm. I am on the same time zone as California (PST). My only hesitancy is that I am not 100% sure my computer clock is accurate - but it would be within a minute if it's off. Based on this I would say that this alarm was deliberate.

Blessings!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on September 30, 2011, 08:07:46 PM
Can I say this, Ortega's recollection that MJ suffered from chills. Watch TII and see MJ wiping the sweat from his face after performance of Wanna Be Startin Somethin. Some chills, huh? If you are shivering and cold, you wouldn't sweat, right? Once again, I'm just making notes.
 
During this trial, watch TII and make sure you do not fall into the trap of believing everything you hear.
Mike was and is healthy. Please don't underestimate the King. :)
Love you guys. And big love for those forgetting what we've learned these past past two years. Keep faith
 :-*
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on September 30, 2011, 08:08:21 PM
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1. Yellow cab company outside with number 222-2222. I think the area code was 246. Yellow cab in the Wiz and toy cab on judge's desk in past.
2. V mask on back of someone's head outside.
3. Another odd photo on gurney.
4. Voice on tape sounds like a prank from a comedian. (That was funny). Nobody is mentioning how it sounds nothing like him.
5. Prosecutor mumbles I'm bad and Defense mentions 3D Thriller movie.
6. When they show MJ's dresser in his bedroom it has Sweet Baby banner on it w/lots of baby photos on plates, I think. lol.
7. Conrad support banner flying on an aircraft.
8. Some guy outside saying hugs not drugs with a he's bad sign.
9. A lawyer named Joey Jackson commenting on case.
10. Even one of the commercials seemed off to me.
11. Some guards have chevron on sleeve, some have a star instead.

About the voice on that tape, Anthony Jackson tweeted this -

ATONCLASSIC ANTHONY JACKSON
I feel like I'm watching a soap opera. So many lies, innuendoes and I don't even believe that was his voice.
12 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

The family is speaking out. I wonder what the lies and innuendoes are? And why a soap opera?

Because everything is a lie, and probably a movie shot by Michael..everything is unfolding so nicely.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 30, 2011, 09:26:59 PM
Okay - something I noticed today with Murray. It looks like he's wearing something under his suit. It made me think back to hearing that MJ had to wear a bullet proof vest back in 2005. I'll see if I can post the pictures that made me think that....


(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa415/voiceforthesilent/Dr%20Murray/Murrayarm.jpg)

And while we are on the subject of Murray...here is an interesting observation from Pearl Jr.

Pearljr Pearljr
by steamyhotlatin
Jackson security stayed late 2day about an hour or so after Jacksons left-claimed he wanted 2 see trial aftermath but who was he protecting?
28 Sep Favorite Retweet Reply

Pearljr
Pearljr Pearljr
by steamyhotlatin
New video coming soon & more 2 come! Sorry too busy 2 tweet today-I saw Alberto Alvarez go into the police station 2day wonder why???
28 Sep

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on September 30, 2011, 09:36:32 PM
@voiceforthesilent- I asked pearljr on youtube what her motives were for MJ and she invited me to be her friend lmao.
 
BTW, everyone Jermaine is on Joy Behar HLN. And guess what, he is wearing the same black shirt with upside down triangle. :)
 
Lets have a moment right now to laugh and enjoy the show.
I love you Mike. And I love you Jermaine.
 /judge/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 30, 2011, 09:48:10 PM
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@voiceforthesilent- I asked pearljr on youtube what her motives were for MJ and she invited me to be her friend lmao.
 
BTW, everyone Jermaine is on Joy Behar HLN. And guess what, he is wearing the same black shirt with upside down triangle. :)
 
Lets have a moment right now to laugh and enjoy the show.
I love you Mike. And I love you Jermaine.
 /judge/

I'm with you :) I just wish I knew all the reasons for this hoax but I guess it will come with time.

As far as Pearl, I sometimes wonder if she knows but is acting like she doesn't. I know....far fetched and probably not so but stranger things have happened :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: starlight30 on September 30, 2011, 10:21:32 PM
No, I didn't see the scene w/the alarm. What was the joke the judge made? That sounds like fun. But I remember during the Oprah interview at Neverland an alarm went off when she was asking personal questions. This shud be on Comedy Central.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: TouchedByAnAngel on October 01, 2011, 12:55:05 AM
Hi Everybody! So this trial is pretty interesting isn't it? For those that heard the alarm go off on Friday Sep. 30th, I heard it too. In fact just seconds after I started hearing the alarm during the trial I decided to make a tweet about it.



(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/TrialAlarm.jpg)

At the time I was just making a light-hearted tweet about the alarm to lighten the moment. Later when trial was over and I had more time to pay attention to Twitter, I noticed that somebody was claiming that the alarm had gone off at 2:26 pm California time, which is the time Michael was "officially declared dead". I went back to my tweet and checked the time I had sent it. It said I had sent it 3 hours earlier, and when I put my mouse over the "3 hours ago" link the actual time popped up. I'm in Texas which is two hours later than California time, so my 4:27 pm was 2:27 pm California time. Like I said, I heard the alarm go off, and after I laughed for a few seconds, I went and tweeted my message about Michael being a Joker. So, the alarm did go off at 2:26 California time!

This just confirms for me even more that Michael is sending us clues to Keep The Faith.

http://twitter.com/#!/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280



Love and Light to you all!  bearhug

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 01, 2011, 01:01:45 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/court93011.jpg)


What's that white fuzzy thing on the secretary's desk by the plant? They only showed half of it yesterday, is was more behind the laptop screen. Today it was fully exposed.

Ps. the brown thing in the plant that seems to be sitting in the pot is strange too. It doesn't belong there, but I haven't been able to get a good look at it.

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 01, 2011, 03:44:44 AM
Stuffed peluche toy (+ figurine man + flag with red stripes), Guy and (cameo?) Hatman.
Everything is being manipulated, even the "reflections" on screens.

Agatha Christie's "Death on the Nile" - Mr. Poirot encourages the murder witnesses to remember (and at the same time to follow their very personal interests). He even allows for the second discovered gun to get "unnoticed" and enables the true murderers to shoot themselves in the end.

Starting from the wrong oath, everything said and done in this court room is potentially wrong and manipulated.
My gut feeling: 80% wrong, 20% right.

It is fascinating to see some lose contenance already in courtroom despite the target is outside.
Some will be getting really nervous, making mistakes only to allow them to be documented and wikileaked.

Enjoying the spider and his perfect net.  /bravo/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: curls on October 01, 2011, 05:59:47 AM
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Starting from the wrong oath, everything said and done in this court room is potentially wrong and manipulated.
My gut feeling: 80% wrong, 20% right.


@Grace, could you explain a bit more about this (sorry if I've missed it elsewhere)? I've been trying to find the wording of the witness oath in US without much luck. All I can find is the 'I swear to tell the truth ..... etc' one, which the one used in this trial is definitely NOT!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 01, 2011, 06:41:34 AM
This is giving oath variants that are authorized in Caliland:

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Official reporters are authorized to administer oaths per Code of Civil Procedure 2093(a). Occasionally they are called upon to do so, in which case the following information is helpful.

Civil Procedure Oaths to Witness
(Chapter Law 688, Statutes of 2000)

Chapter Law 688 of the Statutes of 2000, effective January 1, 2001, repeals Sections 2095 to 2097 of the Code of Civil Procedure.The old law specifies the form of an oath to a witness and variations of the oath to suit the belief of a witness.

The amended law provides that the oath is to no longer include the word "swear", which is replaced with the word "state".

The amended law also provides for an alternative form of the oath for a person who desires to affirm, declare or to avoid swearing or using the phrase, "so help you God."

The oath to a witness is as follows:
"You do solemnly state that the testimony you may give in the cause now pending before this court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God."

 (See Section 2094, Code of Civil Procedure.)


The oath to multiple witnesses is as follows:

"You, and each of you, do solemnly state that the testimony you may give in the cause now pending before this court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God."


The alternative oath to a witness is as follows:

"You do solemnly state, under penalty of perjury, that the testimony you may give in the cause now pending before this court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."


The basic form of the oath to children of tender years is as follows:

"Do you promise that everything you tell here today will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?"

or

"You do solemnly state that you will tell the truth, so help you God."


The court may wish to adopt its own form and/or to administer the oath. In the case of a child under 10 years, the court, in its discretion, may require the child only to promise to tell the truth. Check with the court prior to administering this oath.


When the jury is to review the premises, use the following form of oath to the shower:

"You so solemnly state that you will well and truly perform the duties of a shower of the premises in this case, that you will not allow anyone to speak to the jury concerning this case nor do so yourself except to point out physical objects upon the premises as directed by the court, so help you God."


When recalling a witness, the procedure depends largely upon the policy of the particular court. The witness should either be re-sworn or reminded of his/her oath by the judge or clerk, as policy directs.

A suggested form of reminder for use by clerks is:

"Mr. __________________ or Miss/Mrs. _______________, you have been previously placed under oath and remain so. Please take the stand and re-state your name for the record."

http://cocra.org/pages/reporters-ref/prof-practice/oaths.html (http://cocra.org/pages/reporters-ref/prof-practice/oaths.html)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: finfin on October 01, 2011, 06:44:45 AM
Thank you @Grace and @bec, here is a weird connection regarding plants and peluche toys. I looked up peluche toy on google (not realising peluche was another word for plush or soft)  and found this immediately. I think the Coke can is to illustrate the size.



http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/405427/210932590-461982081/-96-christmas-easter-day-gift-MIN-Plants-VS-Zombies-peluche-toy-pendant-freeshipping-wholesale.html

Plants VS Zombies peluche toy

(http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/461982081/_96_christmas_easter_day_gift_MIN_Plants_VS_Zombies_peluche_toy_pendant_freeshipping_wholesale.jpg_200x200.jpg)

After looking up Plants VS Zombies I found this:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/07/28/michael-jackson-removed-from-plants-vs-zomb/1

Michael Jackson removed from Plants vs. Zombies
Published on 28th July 2010 by Joe Martin
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An enemy inspired by Michael Jackson's Thriller has been removed from Popcap's Plants vs. Zombies.


Popcap has removed an enemy based on Michael Jackson from the popular Plants vs. Zombies after receiving complaints about the character.

While the enemy, who resembles the now deceased singer, was based on the Thriller music video, Popcap decided to remove it after the singer's estate got in touch.

"The Estate of Michael Jackson objected to our use of the 'dancing zombie' in Plants vs. Zombies based on its view that the zombie too closely resembled Michael Jackson," PopCap told MTV.

"After receiving this objection, PopCap made a business decision to retire the original 'dancing zombie' and replace it with a different 'dancing zombie' character for future builds of Plants vs. Zombies on all platforms. The phase-out and replacement process is underway."

The singer-inspired zombie originally appeared as a special zombie who, during night levels, would do a dance that summoned hordes of extra zombies.

The original Plants vs. Zombies, which has players repelling waves of zombies with the aid of peashooters and mutant plants, was released on PC two months before Jackson died. It has since been ported to iPhone and an XBLA version is currently in the works.



Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: curls on October 01, 2011, 07:04:27 AM
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This is giving oath variants that are authorized in Caliland:
The oath to a witness is as follows:
"You do solemnly state that the testimony you may give in the cause now pending before this court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God."

 (See Section 2094, Code of Civil Procedure.)


The alternative oath to a witness is as follows:

"You do solemnly state, under penalty of perjury, that the testimony you may give in the cause now pending before this court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."


http://cocra.org/pages/reporters-ref/prof-practice/oaths.html (http://cocra.org/pages/reporters-ref/prof-practice/oaths.html)

Thank you Grace, so she says 'Do you .......', rather than 'You do ......' Is that the discrepancy you're refering to?

Here's Kenny's oath which I found while checking what's actually being said, in case anyone else wants to check:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGW5ZxQOibs&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 01, 2011, 07:48:21 AM
Even if the used, slightly modified oath formula would be considered meeting 100% the requirements of an "official" oath, the following applies:

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California Perjury Laws
 
 Penal Code 118 PC The California law of perjury is defined under Penal Code 118 PC. A person commits perjury in this state when he/she deliberately give false information while under oath.  You are subject to prosecution for perjury if you willfully give false information in any of the following circumstances:
 
 
  • when testifying in court,
  • when being deposed,
  • in a signed affidavit,
  • in a signed declaration, or
  • in a signed certificate.

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1. How Does the Prosecutor Prove that I Committed Perjury?

In order to establish that you committed perjury under California law, the prosecutor must prove each of the following four facts (otherwise known as "elements of the crime"):
 
 
  • That you made a deliberate or willful statement,
  • knowing that the statement was false,
  • that you were under an oath to tell the truth at the time you made the statement, and
  • that the statement was (or related to) a "material" fact.1

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Knowing that your statement was false This element goes to the heart of a California perjury case. if you don't knowingly provide false information, you can't be convicted of this offense.

"Mistake of fact" will serve as an absolute defense to this charge.5
In order to be convicted of perjury under Penal Code 118 PC, you must knowingly make an unequivocally false statement.  Literally true but misleading or unresponsive statements do not amount to perjury.6 Similarly, a witness who gives literally true answers may not be convicted of this offense for failing to volunteer more explicit information.7

Example: The judge asked Rick, a prospective juror in a criminal case, if anybody in his immediate family had ever been arrested.  Rick told the judge that his son got arrested years ago for possession of a controlled substance (http://www.shouselaw.com/hs-11350.html). He failed to tell the judge that he, himself, had also been arrested for the same offense.even though Rick knows that his own arrest is also relevant to the judge's inquiry.
Although Rick failed to disclose his own arrest, his statement that his son had been arrested was true.  The way that Rick answered the question was misleading.it implied that his son was the only one arrested.but it was nonetheless true.  As a result, even though Rick failed to volunteer his own arrest, he will be exempt from a perjury conviction based on the literal truth of his statement.
That said, you can subject yourself to a California perjury charge if you make a willful statement while unaware of its truth.8 If you make a statement knowing that you are unaware of whether it is true.with the intent that it should be accepted as true.you could be prosecuted as if you had made a false statement.9

Example: Adding to the above scenario, suppose that the judge followed up by asking Rick if his son has had any subsequent "run-ins" with the law.  Rick's answer was "absolutely not".  The fact is that Rick's son lives in another state and the two haven't spoken or communicated in years.  While it could be true that Rick's son hasn't since been arrested, Rick knew when he answered that he had no actual knowledge about his son's legal situation.
When Rick testified that his son "absolutely" hadn't suffered any other arrests.intending that the judge accept his answer as the truth.he committed perjury.
It bears repeating that making a statement knowing that you are unaware of whether or not it is actually true.with the intent that it should be accepted as true.can trigger criminal liability for perjury just as if you testify to something you know to be false.
Finally, even though it may prove to be false, an oath of office that contained an unfulfilled promise of future conduct doesn't qualify as perjury.10

http://www.shouselaw.com/print.php (http://www.shouselaw.com/print.php)


In short:
if witnesses believe what they state in court to be true
(e.g. because they witnessed an illusion, saw a stand-in, thought they saw Michael but it was someone else) and did not KNOW their statement was false, or if they state only one part of the truth (and not full truth) they cannot be convicted of perjury in California.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 01, 2011, 10:20:25 AM
@Fin: Plants vs Zombies is a great game. I actually got it when it first came out, before 6/25/09. There is (was) a Thriller MJ zombie, he is the most powerful basic zombie, lol. He moonwalks in and then strikes an MJ toe stand which summons 4 more zombies to rise from the earth. PopCap did indeed change the game and removed similarities to MJ after the estate requested it. Bummer.


Pretty sure this is off topic though...


I'd like to know what the white fuzzy is. Between Grace's screenshot and mine (scroll up to view) you can see how it was first only half visible on Thursday, and then fully visible on Friday. The brown thing in the plant looks a little like a waffle.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 01, 2011, 10:24:01 AM
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Yesterday Vinnie on HLN said, everyone knows CPR you shake the person n ask, Annie are you ok, Annie are you ok. /woohoo/

:lol: The video is here. I'm sure that, after watching this video, Annie is all OK Michael. :lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jncAsfkDqRs&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 01, 2011, 10:31:01 AM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/court93011.jpg)


What's that white fuzzy thing on the secretary's desk by the plant? They only showed half of it yesterday, is was more behind the laptop screen. Today it was fully exposed.

Ps. the brown thing in the plant that seems to be sitting in the pot is strange too. It doesn't belong there, but I haven't been able to get a good look at it.

And what's that plant doing on the desk??? Is it because Michael is PLANTing the clues?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 01, 2011, 10:38:55 AM
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Yesterday Vinnie on HLN said, everyone knows CPR you shake the person n ask, Annie are you ok, Annie are you ok. /woohoo/

 :lol: The video is here. I'm sure that, after watching this video, Annie is all OK Michael. :lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jncAsfkDqRs&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
/judge/ :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 01, 2011, 10:41:06 AM
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Hi Everybody! So this trial is pretty interesting isn't it? For those that heard the alarm go off on Friday Sep. 30th, I heard it too. In fact just seconds after I started hearing the alarm during the trial I decided to make a tweet about it.


 
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/TrialAlarm.jpg)

At the time I was just making a light-hearted tweet about the alarm to lighten the moment. Later when trial was over and I had more time to pay attention to Twitter, I noticed that somebody was claiming that the alarm had gone off at 2:26 pm California time, which is the time Michael was "officially declared dead". I went back to my tweet and checked the time I had sent it. It said I had sent it 3 hours earlier, and when I put my mouse over the "3 hours ago" link the actual time popped up. I'm in Texas which is two hours later than California time, so my 4:27 pm was 2:27 pm California time. Like I said, I heard the alarm go off, and after I laughed for a few seconds, I went and tweeted my message about Michael being a Joker. So, the alarm did go off at 2:26 California time!

This just confirms for me even more that Michael is sending us clues to Keep The Faith.

http://twitter.com/#!/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280 (http://twitter.com/#!/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280)



Love and Light to you all!  bearhug

/cook/ /bravo/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: BeTheChange on October 01, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
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I'd like to know what the white fuzzy is. Between Grace's screenshot and mine (scroll up to view) you can see how it was first only half visible on Thursday, and then fully visible on Friday. The brown thing in the plant looks a little like a waffle.

(http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/bunnydance.gif)
 
How do people not notice these things...not to mention ALL the discrepancies in everything said and done in court???
 
It's time for everyone to....
 
(http://www.all-creatures.org/anan/Cat-wakeupcall.gif)
 
 
 :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
 
With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 01, 2011, 11:12:38 AM
 The peluche toy could be Mr. Jummy:
(http://94.100.122.112/247900001-247950000/247905501-247905600/247905593_14_VVio.jpeg)
He's cute :lol:
Jummy=yummy= yum·my   (y(http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ubreve.gif)m(http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif)(http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif))adj. yum·mi·er, yum·mi·est Slang1. Very pleasing to the taste or smell; delicious. See  Synonyms at delicious (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/delicious).2. Delightful; delicious.=impeccable adjective ->above reproach, absolutely  ravvshing, absolutely the finest, beautiful, complete (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/complete), delightful (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/delightful), excellent (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/excellent), exemplary (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/exemplary), faultless (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/faultless), finished (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/finished), flawless (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/flawless), glorious (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/glorious), ideal (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/ideal), immaculate (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/immaculate), incredible (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/incredible), irreproachable (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/irreproachable), perfect (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/perfect), spotless (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/spotless), stylish (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/stylish), superb (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/superb), unblemished (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/unblemished), virtuous (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/virtuous)See also: absolute (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/absolute), best (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/best), blameless (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/blameless), clean (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/clean), honest (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/honest), ideal (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/ideal), incorruptible (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/incorruptible), inculpable (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/inculpable), irreprehensible (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/irreprehensible), meritorious (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/meritorious), [blink]not guilty (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/not+guilty), [/blink]unblemished (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/unblemished), unimpeachable (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/unimpeachable) 
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/impeccable (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/impeccable)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: For All Time on October 01, 2011, 11:13:18 AM
Hello, reading all your comments regarding this trial makes me feel better and I truly believe that MJ is alive and well.Chernoff was incredibly boring...is he a real lawyer ?  lolol/ Did anyone noticed when the paramedic Seneff was talking about what happened there and what he wrote they showed us a paper that said "Micheal Jackson" and the date of birth 28.08.1958 ?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Datroot on October 01, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
A guest lawyer on Sky News said Chernoff only passed the Californian Bar this year and has only had a couple of mediocre cases so far - this is his biggest.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 01, 2011, 02:37:11 PM
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Hi Everybody! So this trial is pretty interesting isn't it? For those that heard the alarm go off on Friday Sep. 30th, I heard it too. In fact just seconds after I started hearing the alarm during the trial I decided to make a tweet about it.


(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/TrialAlarm.jpg)

At the time I was just making a light-hearted tweet about the alarm to lighten the moment. Later when trial was over and I had more time to pay attention to Twitter, I noticed that somebody was claiming that the alarm had gone off at 2:26 pm California time, which is the time Michael was "officially declared dead". I went back to my tweet and checked the time I had sent it. It said I had sent it 3 hours earlier, and when I put my mouse over the "3 hours ago" link the actual time popped up. I'm in Texas which is two hours later than California time, so my 4:27 pm was 2:27 pm California time. Like I said, I heard the alarm go off, and after I laughed for a few seconds, I went and tweeted my message about Michael being a Joker. So, the alarm did go off at 2:26 California time!

This just confirms for me even more that Michael is sending us clues to Keep The Faith.

http://twitter.com/#!/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280 (http://twitter.com/#%21/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280)



Love and Light to you all!  bearhug


Thank you for the confirmation that the time on my computer is correct. I did post on Twitter too asking if anyone else noticed the time and I received a couple of confirmations saying the time was correct. Unless we have MJ's ghost in the house making his presence known that was a deliberate wake up call.

I loved reading what everyone else observed. I have noticed quite a few paralells to 2003-2005 events but I want to write it all down to see if it makes sense.

Blessings!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 01, 2011, 02:39:36 PM
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A guest lawyer on Sky News said Chernoff only passed the Californian Bar this year and has only had a couple of mediocre cases so far - this is his biggest.

Well, that is interesting. Nobody would put a newbie on a case like this, would they? Plus, if he just passed the Bar this year how could he have been representing Murray for over a year? Hmmm...do you know the name of the guest lawyer?

Blessings
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Heartsong on October 01, 2011, 04:56:19 PM
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Hi Everybody! So this trial is pretty interesting isn't it? For those that heard the alarm go off on Friday Sep. 30th, I heard it too. In fact just seconds after I started hearing the alarm during the trial I decided to make a tweet about it.

 
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/TrialAlarm.jpg)

At the time I was just making a light-hearted tweet about the alarm to lighten the moment. Later when trial was over and I had more time to pay attention to Twitter, I noticed that somebody was claiming that the alarm had gone off at 2:26 pm California time, which is the time Michael was "officially declared dead". I went back to my tweet and checked the time I had sent it. It said I had sent it 3 hours earlier, and when I put my mouse over the "3 hours ago" link the actual time popped up. I'm in Texas which is two hours later than California time, so my 4:27 pm was 2:27 pm California time. Like I said, I heard the alarm go off, and after I laughed for a few seconds, I went and tweeted my message about Michael being a Joker. So, the alarm did go off at 2:26 California time!

This just confirms for me even more that Michael is sending us clues to Keep The Faith.

http://twitter.com/#!/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280 (http://twitter.com/#%21/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280)



Love and Light to you all!  bearhug


Thank you for the confirmation that the time on my computer is correct. I did post on Twitter too asking if anyone else noticed the time and I received a couple of confirmations saying the time was correct. Unless we have MJ's ghost in the house making his presence known that was a deliberate wake up call.

I loved reading what everyone else observed. I have noticed quite a few paralells to 2003-2005 events but I want to write it all down to see if it makes sense.

Blessings!

And did you hear Judge Pastor explanation as to why the alarm went off? "A child set it off". So there are children playing unsupervised in the courthouse during this trial freely touching whatever they want? Or maybe the judge meant an adult behaving like a child...
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Its her on October 01, 2011, 05:30:55 PM
@ Use_your_illusion:

Quote
Kenny didn't even know what time it was...remember he said to the lawyer that MJ moved to the Staples Center near the end of June and the lawyer was like 'but Michael died June 25th 2009'...and Kenny still looked confused.

Yeah, and he did this same slip-up before in an interview we all saw somewhere a little after MJ made news "dying". The man could not seem to get it, that by "the end of the month", he and MJ couldn't have been doing ANYthing together, because it was too late.

At first, I thought he was just nervous that he was going to slip up, but, to KEEP doing it, stating the wrong time factor after he has been told a few times that, he was mistaken, MJ had died a week earlier , this stressing of THE END OF JUNE, still, seems deliberate, like some kind of clue!!!! The end of June 2012???????????  bounce/   


Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 01, 2011, 05:36:26 PM
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And did you hear Judge Pastor explanation as to why the alarm went off? "A child set it off". So there are children playing unsupervised in the courthouse during this trial freely touching whatever they want? Or maybe the judge meant an adult behaving like a child...

Yep yep, a kid at heart always could be the one who rang the bell. ;) And btw I loved this judge. He is so fun. His jokes make everyone laugh and giggle in that room. He's cool. I wonder if Michael chose him and if his sense of humor is one of the reasons why Michael picked him. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: dawn254 on October 01, 2011, 06:52:57 PM
I'm not quite sure, whether it was said before, but I believe the "Michael on a stretchter"- pictures is so ridiculous.
Why in hell do they want us to believe that the Mike needed comfort in this bed, because that's the only reason why the top of the stretcher was up. Or why do you need to re-dress a corpse?
I wouldn't believe that Mike used a hospital gown as a pyjama. And his hairs, wasn't it said, that he was bald when he arrived at the hospital? At least he shouldn't have wear a wig...  WTF??
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: TouchedByAnAngel on October 01, 2011, 09:08:31 PM
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Hi Everybody! So this trial is pretty interesting isn't it? For those that heard the alarm go off on Friday Sep. 30th, I heard it too. In fact just seconds after I started hearing the alarm during the trial I decided to make a tweet about it.

 
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/TrialAlarm.jpg)

At the time I was just making a light-hearted tweet about the alarm to lighten the moment. Later when trial was over and I had more time to pay attention to Twitter, I noticed that somebody was claiming that the alarm had gone off at 2:26 pm California time, which is the time Michael was "officially declared dead". I went back to my tweet and checked the time I had sent it. It said I had sent it 3 hours earlier, and when I put my mouse over the "3 hours ago" link the actual time popped up. I'm in Texas which is two hours later than California time, so my 4:27 pm was 2:27 pm California time. Like I said, I heard the alarm go off, and after I laughed for a few seconds, I went and tweeted my message about Michael being a Joker. So, the alarm did go off at 2:26 California time!

This just confirms for me even more that Michael is sending us clues to Keep The Faith.

http://twitter.com/#!/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280 (http://twitter.com/#%21/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280)



Love and Light to you all!  bearhug


Thank you for the confirmation that the time on my computer is correct. I did post on Twitter too asking if anyone else noticed the time and I received a couple of confirmations saying the time was correct. Unless we have MJ's ghost in the house making his presence known that was a deliberate wake up call.

I loved reading what everyone else observed. I have noticed quite a few paralells to 2003-2005 events but I want to write it all down to see if it makes sense.

Blessings!

And did you hear Judge Pastor explanation as to why the alarm went off? "A child set it off". So there are children playing unsupervised in the courthouse during this trial freely touching whatever they want? Or maybe the judge meant an adult behaving like a child...


I'm still excited about this alarm going off at such a memorable time. I searched on Youtube and found the video so all can hear this if they missed it. Actually this YT account has all the testimony so far and it is very good quality, no commercial interruptions. I recommend that all bookmark this channel and/or subscribe because if he continues to upload all the testimony this will be a valuable resource. Also great for those that can't watch live because of timezone issues, work, etc.

So here is the video where you can hear the alarm going off in court. The alarm starts at 12:48 in video. I don't know if this is a standard fire alarm bell sequence, but it rings 7 times quickly, pauses for a second then rings 4 times quickly. It rings this combination of 7 + 4 a total of 4 times. At 14:45 in the video the judge explains that it was an accidental pull by a child on another floor.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ARKoqrLF70&feature=player_profilepage[/youtube]

Well dang! Previewing my post as I create it, I've noticed that the person this video belongs to doesn't allow embedding. So you will have to click the video and let it open a new YT video window  to watch. While you are there, remember to subscribe!

Does anybody remember Kenny Ortega saying on Day 1 of testimony that Michael was like a lost boy? This made me think of Peter Pan and just a minute after I had tweeted about MJ being a Joker and pulling the alarm, I also tweeted this

(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/LostBoytweet.jpg)

Well I think with all the conflicting testimony so far and the evidence full of mistakes, people really need to ask themselves "Is this real or a HOAX?" I've been on the hoax train for over 2 years and this trial sure hasn't changed my opinion, only strengthened it!


One last thing before I sign off...that "death bed" photo of MJ is crazy. I saved and zoomed in the original black/white photo that TMZ released on day 1 of the trial. (I know a clearer color image has been released since then) Anyway, I still say the arm looks fake, it's just too long. The band towards the wrist is supposedly the hospital armband (it's wider than any I've ever seen) and of course the legs can't be seen but it looks like there isn't enough room left on the bed for his long legs. Lastly I noticed that there appears to be a pyramid shape above his arm/elbow where the hospital gown is at. WTF is that about?
  lolol/


(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/1MJsdeathbed.jpg)


So I hope you all have a great weekend! Much Love and Light :-* KEEP THE FAITH

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 01, 2011, 09:45:04 PM
The pyramid is because the Illuminati killed him. TS was right  :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: airieslady on October 01, 2011, 10:09:54 PM
Did anyone else blow up the pic of the plant w. the fully exposed white thing next to it?  Cause I see faces of MJ there... anyone?  Michael is planted in the plant and next to computer. 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 02, 2011, 02:01:50 AM
Hahahaha, I missed the alarm - txs for posting. The faces are hilarious.
Sounds like an alarm clock, LOL, anybody wake-up, please? All sitting in the dark...
Or was it end of class?

(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_3_1v.gif)

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Offtopic, but not completely:
I had a conversation with my colleague, yesterday, (male, married, 2 kids, doesn't care about anything about Michael except that yes, he did a few good songs. He comes up pretty tough at times trying to ridicule me - despite, despite he has noticed some serious wrong stuff is going on in the world, so we sometimes still find a level to talk, LOL).
I told him about the stuffed toys in court and the photo with the missing legs. We continued towards 9II and that a lie just needs to be big enough to be believed because people would say "I saw it with my own eyes" (through a TV channel) and they would be 100% sure they saw the truth.

If anything proves that a lie just needs to be big enough to be believed, it is Michael's disappearance and this trial.
Kick off a snowball with a few and the rest will fall into desired place.
If Michael can do it, anybody can do it.
Financial gamblers and governments included.

The longer this lie runs uncovered despite all obvious inconsistencies, the more this proves how manipulated we are.

Another realization:
the more others tell us and overwhelm us with their blabla, the less questions we are asking.
It is a tactic to fill us up and choke our mind.

End of offtopic. Gonna go watch the alarm again LOL


In this video, the alarm goes off when exhibit 22 is about to be presented.
The alarm in the video goes off in this sequence:
7 / 4 pause
7 / 4 pause
7 / 4 pause
7 / 4

which adds up (for those counting) to
22
4*11
------
66

There is more.
Exhibit 22 on google:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:WwPnOCKv89oJ:ussliberty.org/report/exhibit%25252022.pdf+exhibit+22&hl=en&gl=de&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjs45s_vauPnWRtmbUcTJe0r1E_Q5qfl5R-5pY7EXD3g7nKR5WpzTVlXCXS6lBpDr-Ycbb7zYErZIg7SvbcXtztWeWFRtEWVKuZRAkcmEfNxvrQqNOM1ZH5_6zWjjYTo51iv_in&sig=AHIEtbS7xYczci9Ft6E2keXHGSE9E_l5lA (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:WwPnOCKv89oJ:ussliberty.org/report/exhibit%25252022.pdf+exhibit+22&hl=en&gl=de&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjs45s_vauPnWRtmbUcTJe0r1E_Q5qfl5R-5pY7EXD3g7nKR5WpzTVlXCXS6lBpDr-Ycbb7zYErZIg7SvbcXtztWeWFRtEWVKuZRAkcmEfNxvrQqNOM1ZH5_6zWjjYTo51iv_in&sig=AHIEtbS7xYczci9Ft6E2keXHGSE9E_l5lA)

It is about government exchange US - Israel on the Israelian attack on U.S.S. Liberty.
We had cover-ups before 9II.

Quote

 On June 8, 1967 on a hot clear afternoon, Israeli air forces, combined later with naval forces, initiated an attack on an American intelligence vessel -- the USS Liberty.[1] The air-sea attack took 34 lives and injured 171 crewmen.[2] The Israeli government explained the attack was an error due to misidentification of the ship. The American government has officially accepted the Israeli apology, yet continues to conceal many facts of the incident from the American public. There was a disparity between the official history of this event and the accounts of the surviving crewmen of the Liberty. The disparity forces a more comprehensive explanation of the events. Investigation of the deliberateness of the attack and the response of the United States government, as well as the cultural and political context of the middle to late 1960s, is revealing. This factual and contextual evidence demonstrates that the attack was in fact intentional and subsequently covered-up by the United States government.
http://www.ussliberty.org/macdonald.htm (http://www.ussliberty.org/macdonald.htm)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Datroot on October 02, 2011, 06:31:54 AM
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A guest lawyer on Sky News said Chernoff only passed the Californian Bar this year and has only had a couple of mediocre cases so far - this is his biggest.

Well, that is interesting. Nobody would put a newbie on a case like this, would they? Plus, if he just passed the Bar this year how could he have been representing Murray for over a year? Hmmm...do you know the name of the guest lawyer?

Blessings
Michael McParland
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: ovelias on October 02, 2011, 07:59:20 AM
hi in this case is a greek song that fix perfect in this situation.
 titel: δεν κανω διακοπες (i am not doing vocations)
 lirikcs: so many years i am hear and i beat you hard with now stop nither 1 min.
                                 i    am not doing vocasions, i am geving you that you want.
 ;))
       
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 02, 2011, 08:01:25 AM
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Hello, reading all your comments regarding this trial makes me feel better and I truly believe that MJ is alive and well.Chernoff was incredibly boring...is he a real lawyer ?  lolol/ Did anyone noticed when the paramedic Seneff was talking about what happened there and what he wrote they showed us a paper that said "Micheal Jackson" and the date of birth 28.08.1958 ?

I saw that too - If they supposedly got that information from his drivers license when they I.D him, how could they get that wrong?  :lol:
 
Also...has anyone been watching when the jurors come out of the court at the end of the day? I think a camera man from TMZ usually races over to where they exit to watch them coming out. Anyway, the reason I mention it, is I happen to watch it on Friday and there is one man on the jury that looks like he's in "costume" or like a disguise.  rr/  Something about his skin color looked odd...and the hair was a little "off".  He looked a little "theatrical" is the best way I can describe him. 

Anyone else see it? :geek:

Does anyone know how to take screen stills from a live video feed?   I just know they will show this man again.

...so does this mean Michael could even be sitting in the jury box???!! :shock:

(Jury #128 African American male, 54, technical director for TV, cousin is a judge and another cousin who's a lawyer, his dad died of alcoholism, juror on 3 cases, loved the Jackson 5 as a kid, now likes Jay Z.)

.....also too I noticed alot of the jurors had some related issues to alcoholism---either themselves or family members- not sure of the significance of that if any, just thought I'd mention it. :?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 02, 2011, 12:31:56 PM
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Hahahaha, I missed the alarm - txs for posting. The faces are hilarious.
Sounds like an alarm clock, LOL, anybody wake-up, please? All sitting in the dark...
Or was it end of class?

(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_3_1v.gif)

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Offtopic, but not completely:
I had a conversation with my colleague, yesterday, (male, married, 2 kids, doesn't care about anything about Michael except that yes, he did a few good songs. He comes up pretty tough at times trying to ridicule me - despite, despite he has noticed some serious wrong stuff is going on in the world, so we sometimes still find a level to talk, LOL).
I told him about the stuffed toys in court and the photo with the missing legs. We continued towards 9II and that a lie just needs to be big enough to be believed because people would say "I saw it with my own eyes" (through a TV channel) and they would be 100% sure they saw the truth.

If anything proves that a lie just needs to be big enough to be believed, it is Michael's disappearance and this trial.
Kick off a snowball with a few and the rest will fall into desired place.
If Michael can do it, anybody can do it.
Financial gamblers and governments included.

The longer this lie runs uncovered despite all obvious inconsistencies, the more this proves how manipulated we are.

Another realization:
the more others tell us and overwhelm us with their blabla, the less questions we are asking.
It is a tactic to fill us up and choke our mind.

End of offtopic. Gonna go watch the alarm again LOL


In this video, the alarm goes off when exhibit 22 is about to be presented.
The alarm in the video goes off in this sequence:
7 / 4 pause
7 / 4 pause
7 / 4 pause
7 / 4

which adds up (for those counting) to
22
4*11
------
66

There is more.
Exhibit 22 on google:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:WwPnOCKv89oJ:ussliberty.org/report/exhibit%25252022.pdf+exhibit+22&hl=en&gl=de&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjs45s_vauPnWRtmbUcTJe0r1E_Q5qfl5R-5pY7EXD3g7nKR5WpzTVlXCXS6lBpDr-Ycbb7zYErZIg7SvbcXtztWeWFRtEWVKuZRAkcmEfNxvrQqNOM1ZH5_6zWjjYTo51iv_in&sig=AHIEtbS7xYczci9Ft6E2keXHGSE9E_l5lA (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:WwPnOCKv89oJ:ussliberty.org/report/exhibit%25252022.pdf+exhibit+22&hl=en&gl=de&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjs45s_vauPnWRtmbUcTJe0r1E_Q5qfl5R-5pY7EXD3g7nKR5WpzTVlXCXS6lBpDr-Ycbb7zYErZIg7SvbcXtztWeWFRtEWVKuZRAkcmEfNxvrQqNOM1ZH5_6zWjjYTo51iv_in&sig=AHIEtbS7xYczci9Ft6E2keXHGSE9E_l5lA)

It is about government exchange US - Israel on the Israelian attack on U.S.S. Liberty.
We had cover-ups before 9II.

Quote

 On June 8, 1967 on a hot clear afternoon, Israeli air forces, combined later with naval forces, initiated an attack on an American intelligence vessel -- the USS Liberty.[1] The air-sea attack took 34 lives and injured 171 crewmen.[2] The Israeli government explained the attack was an error due to misidentification of the ship. The American government has officially accepted the Israeli apology, yet continues to conceal many facts of the incident from the American public. There was a disparity between the official history of this event and the accounts of the surviving crewmen of the Liberty. The disparity forces a more comprehensive explanation of the events. Investigation of the deliberateness of the attack and the response of the United States government, as well as the cultural and political context of the middle to late 1960s, is revealing. This factual and contextual evidence demonstrates that the attack was in fact intentional and subsequently covered-up by the United States government.
http://www.ussliberty.org/macdonald.htm (http://www.ussliberty.org/macdonald.htm)


 
 
 
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Richard A. Senneff said MJ was already dead when he arrived at the scene - but they tried to resuscitate him for 47 minutes without success ....
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: jadz29858 on October 02, 2011, 06:31:28 PM
Hi Did anyone also notice on day 4 which was Friday that Michael Flanagan left the court room and judge Michael Pastor said"we talked about this before" and how many times did they stop to have a meeting with the judge. There was more time out then time in? Can't wait for Monday theres got to be more to this.!!!!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 02, 2011, 07:00:51 PM
Joe Jackson had an alcohol problem early on in his marriage....I know I've heard that before...
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: onthewingsoflove on October 02, 2011, 08:23:40 PM
Hi All,

I couldn't watch the trial after they returned from lunch, so I was not watching when the alarm went off. Therefore I have some questions. How did the judge know that it was a child that set the alarm off? Did someone come into the courtroom and tell him that it was pulled by a child?

Second, someone wrote above that the alarm rang 7 rings 4 times. If that is the case did everyone in the courtroom just sit there? So I guess I need to know who told everyone to stay in their seats and how quickly were they told this.  Because every where I have ever worked where the building had fire alarms, when they went off you had better well evacuate the building even if it was a drill!!  Can someone fill in the details here. Otherwise the fire alarm was wrote into the script like everything else. ;)

  [blink]Aldas, Beannu, Benedizione, Benediction, Bendicion, Bencao, Valsignelse, Zegen, Segen, Palaima,[/blink] Blessings, my friends!


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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 02, 2011, 08:27:11 PM
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The pyramid is because the Illuminati killed him. TS was right  :lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: TouchedByAnAngel on October 02, 2011, 10:10:31 PM
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Hi All,
 
 I couldn't watch the trial after they returned from lunch, so I was not watching when the alarm went off. Therefore I have some questions. How did the judge know that it was a child that set the alarm off? Did someone come into the courtroom and tell him that it was pulled by a child?
 
 Second, someone wrote above that the alarm rang 7 rings 4 times. If that is the case did everyone in the courtroom just sit there? So I guess I need to know who told everyone to stay in their seats and how quickly were they told this.  Because every where I have ever worked where the building had fire alarms, when they went off you had better well evacuate the building even if it was a drill!!  Can someone fill in the details here. Otherwise the fire alarm was wrote into the script like everything else. ;)
 
 
 
 

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Hi Everybody! So this trial is pretty interesting isn't it? For those that heard the alarm go off on Friday Sep. 30th, I heard it too. In fact just seconds after I started hearing the alarm during the trial I decided to make a tweet about it.

 
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/TrialAlarm.jpg)

At the time I was just making a light-hearted tweet about the alarm to lighten the moment. Later when trial was over and I had more time to pay attention to Twitter, I noticed that somebody was claiming that the alarm had gone off at 2:26 pm California time, which is the time Michael was "officially declared dead". I went back to my tweet and checked the time I had sent it. It said I had sent it 3 hours earlier, and when I put my mouse over the "3 hours ago" link the actual time popped up. I'm in Texas which is two hours later than California time, so my 4:27 pm was 2:27 pm California time. Like I said, I heard the alarm go off, and after I laughed for a few seconds, I went and tweeted my message about Michael being a Joker. So, the alarm did go off at 2:26 California time!

This just confirms for me even more that Michael is sending us clues to Keep The Faith.

http://twitter.com/#!/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280 (http://twitter.com/#%21/TouchedByAngelM/status/119886098578145280)



Love and Light to you all!  bearhug





I'm still excited about this alarm going off at such a memorable time. I searched on Youtube and found the video so all can hear this if they missed it. Actually this YT account has all the testimony so far and it is very good quality, no commercial interruptions. I recommend that all bookmark this channel and/or subscribe because if he continues to upload all the testimony this will be a valuable resource. Also great for those that can't watch live because of timezone issues, work, etc.

So here is the video where you can hear the alarm going off in court. The alarm starts at 12:48 in video. I don't know if this is a standard fire alarm bell sequence, but it rings 7 times quickly, pauses for a second then rings 4 times quickly. It rings this combination of 7 + 4 a total of 4 times. At 14:45 in the video the judge explains that it was an accidental pull by a child on another floor.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ARKoqrLF70&feature=player_profilepage[/youtube]

Well dang! Previewing my post as I create it, I've noticed that the person this video belongs to doesn't allow embedding. So you will have to click the video and let it open a new YT video window  to watch. While you are there, remember to subscribe!

Onthewingsoflove - You can watch the video I posted above and hear for yourself what happened in court that day with the alarm. I counted 7 fast rings then short pause and 4 fast rings. This combination of 7+4 happened 4 times total. Also 7+4=11...so could be 11 11 11 11

Again I recommend that everybody think about bookmarking this Youtube account

www.youtube.com/user/gurgle1624

He has good quality videos of almost all the testimony so far and plans on taping and uploading the entire trial.



Hope this has helped. Love and Light to all!  bearhug
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 02, 2011, 11:19:13 PM
Something else I noticed is that the badge on Martin Blount is one that a long time ago I found was sold at a badge store and not the official one that they wear. I no longer have the link to the site but will keep looking but I did keep pictures.


Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 02, 2011, 11:22:48 PM
And here is the badge Martin B. had on his uniform at court.

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 02, 2011, 11:25:39 PM
And here is the badge that was for sale to the public. Like i said, I'll look for the website where I got this information.

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Adi on October 03, 2011, 12:49:57 AM
Just curious....has anybody managed to get a really clear view of the name bar on front of the desk where Michael E Pastor sits?
 
If so - does it say Michael E Pastor?
 
All the pics and vids I have managed to view so far don't have a clear view of it......it's either obstructed by the banner of broadcaster or it is blurry.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 03, 2011, 02:20:21 AM
Not sure if this is elsewhere on the site ~ finding the new forum a bit confusing. Anyway, the California Seal part of this video is very interesting. Again, sorry if it's already posted.

[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/NvClg7i54Go[/embed]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJonmind on October 03, 2011, 02:57:32 AM
Grace quoted,
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On June 8, 1967 on a hot clear afternoon, Israeli air forces, combined later with naval forces, initiated an attack on an American intelligence vessel -- the USS Liberty.[1] The air-sea attack took 34 lives and injured 171 crewmen.[2] The Israeli government explained the attack was an error due to misidentification of the ship. The American government has officially accepted the Israeli apology, yet continues to conceal many facts of the incident from the American public. There was a disparity between the official history of this event and the accounts of the surviving crewmen of the Liberty. The disparity forces a more comprehensive explanation of the events. Investigation of the deliberateness of the attack and the response of the United States government, as well as the cultural and political context of the middle to late 1960s, is revealing. This factual and contextual evidence demonstrates that the attack was in fact intentional and subsequently covered-up by the United States government.
http://www.ussliberty.org/macdonald.htm
Good observation about the exhibit 22 online pointing to this OTHER attack by Israel on US property (besides 911)--the alarm drawing attention to this. I'd read a bit about this a while back.  But now since the MJ hoax my eyes notice the numerology there. Interesting numbers, 3+4=7,  171.  Seems these numbers aren't all connected to Michael, since we also noticed them with the Chilean minor story, and other events probably too numerous to mention.

I also find it interesting that there have been these 3 fire alarms go off, this one with Blount on the witness stand while they talk about giving MJ starter drugs and try to find a vein. Someone says , "We are having technical difficulties." "Maybe it's the projector your honor." Then the one as MJ is brought to UCLA on June25, and finally back in 93 while Oprah interviews MJ. In case someone sees any connection here's that part.

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Oprah: I have to ask you this, so many mothers in my audience have said to please ask you this question. Why do you grab your crotch?
Michael: (giggels) Why do I grab my crotch?
Oprah: You've got a thing with your crotch going on there.
Michael: I think it happens subliminally. When you're dancing, you know, you are just interpreting the music and the sounds and the accompaniment. If there's a driving base, if there's a chello, if there's a string, you become the emotion of what the sound is. So if I'm doing a movement and I go "Bam" and I grab myself it's...it's the music that compels me to do it. It's not that I'm saying that I'm dying to grab down there and it's not in a great place, you don't think about it, it just happens. Sometimes I'll look back at the footage and I go...and I go, "Did I do that?", so I'm a slave to the rhythm,...(smoke detectors go off in the house)...yeah, OK.
(commercial break - some of Michael's major achievements shown on tape) http://myhandwriting.com/news/michaeljackson/mjsource/interviews/oprahinterview2.html

About the badges, MJ's been planning this for 20 years according to TS, so here's MJ in 2003 in Gary planning for something!  /cook/
(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/11100000/-2003-Gary-Indiana-Visit-michael-jackson-11197957-950-633.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: onthewingsoflove on October 03, 2011, 03:08:48 AM
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Just curious....has anybody managed to get a really clear view of the name bar on front of the desk where Michael E Pastor sits?
 
If so - does it say Michael E Pastor?
 
All the pics and vids I have managed to view so far don't have a clear view of it......it's either obstructed by the banner of broadcaster or it is blurry.


Yes it does
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on October 03, 2011, 04:44:04 AM
just wanted to say that this is a great thread and a brilliant collection of interesting finds re: courtcase / setting etc.
thank you to all who added their findings. really appreciate this thread greatly. for when things look confusing and you start questioning yourself, its thew tid bits like those found in this thread that make you think this trial is almost a comedy routine. (no disrespect intented) just pointing out that i am seeing it for what it is.

thank to all. your observations are really appreciated /bravo/

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: TouchedByAnAngel on October 03, 2011, 03:33:17 PM
I'm sure the "Elephant in the room" has been mentioned somewhere here in the forum. I just heard Jean Casarez say that exact phrase on HLN, today Oct. 3, 2011. I did a tv capture and uploaded to Youtube. Listen at .39


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J34ak4nfI7Q[/youtube]

"Elephant in the room" is an English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language) metaphorical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor) idiom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiom) for an obvious truth that is being ignored or goes unaddressed. The idiomatic expression also applies to an obvious problem or risk no one wants to discuss.[1]
It is based on the idea that an elephant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant) in a room would be impossible to overlook; thus, people in the room who pretend the elephant is not there have chosen to avoid dealing with the looming big issue.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room


Keep The Faith  :) Share The Love  :-* Spread The Hope!  mj_bad/

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 03, 2011, 03:50:09 PM
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And here is the badge that was for sale to the public. Like i said, I'll look for the website where I got this information.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20594.0;attach=1698;image)(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20594.0;attach=1699;image)

 suspicious//
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 03, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
TS sent us here for the patch:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18053&p=310117&hilit=paramedics+patch#p310117 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/../phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18053&p=310117&hilit=paramedics+patch#p310117)
http://www.fireattire.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FA&Product_Code=P-Off-Blk&Category_Code=P (http://www.fireattire.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FA&Product_Code=P-Off-Blk&Category_Code=P)

(http://www.fireattire.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/lrgblackofficial.jpg)

And that's the ambu photograph:

(http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/218923/80678247.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 03, 2011, 05:34:57 PM
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Just curious....has anybody managed to get a really clear view of the name bar on front of the desk where Michael E Pastor sits?
 
If so - does it say Michael E Pastor?
 
All the pics and vids I have managed to view so far don't have a clear view of it......it's either obstructed by the banner of broadcaster or it is blurry.

Funny you should ask, because just this morning they zoomed in on it clear as a bell, and it is indeed Michael E. Pastor.
....this is getting creepy now :?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 03, 2011, 06:22:30 PM
The morning bailiff was wearing very short pants and white socks with dark colored shoes. I cracked up a little when they first panned out and showed his legs.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/courtsocks2.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/courtsocks.jpg)



Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: TouchedByAnAngel on October 03, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
More strange happenings with the live stream of the trial today, Oct. 3, 2011

First, here is a screen capture of what I saw after live stream was interrupted. (Did anybody notice the time? I didn't unfortunately, but was told by friend on Twitter that it could have been at or near the official time of death, like the alarms going off on Friday) I'll look for time verification and if I find anything will post it.


http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=8366366 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=8366366)

(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/SignalLoss.jpg)
The live feed signal of the trial of Conrad Murray was temporarily lost on Oct. 3, 2011. So what was the camera filming? Vinnie Politan of HLN didn't know what was being shown either. See video below.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUMFF5lzbro[/youtube]


Then later after afternoon break was called, the live feed listed above mysteriously came on during break and the video below is what I managed to capture with my camera off of computer screen.


Why is the camera filming people near elevators in hall?



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVXdso54swY[/youtube]


All just food for thought, don't know if it means anything.

LOVE & LIGHT
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 03, 2011, 06:38:39 PM
we are trained for NO feeding lol

googling for "elevators 9th floor" brings this up:

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shocked to discover that the woman isn't really a salesclerk at all; she's one of the department store's display mannequins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannequin)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_After_Hours (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_After_Hours)

Plus we had what looked like a Dodo at the bailiff (thanks to Monstertooty for insisting on that one) and lots of keys with the police.

Plus what looked like a pink blanket at the back seat, a mascara pen on the witnesses desk and the white stuffed thingie behind the reporter's laptop looking like a white whale.

The judge asked the jury to drive careful should it rain.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJonmind on October 03, 2011, 06:53:51 PM
But Judge Pastor  said he's apologized several times for the lack of proper technical equipment. Or maybe a ghost is pranking!
With his closing statements I was reminded of the song, "It never rains in California".
He said, "Something dramatic is going to happen tomorrow in Los Angeles. It's going to rain."
http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/albert_hammond/it_never_rains_in_southern_california.html
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 03, 2011, 07:07:29 PM
Judge Pastor is right. There's some water coming.


Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on October 03, 2011, 07:17:54 PM
i personally loved the man who walked past the camera with the word CREW written on the back of his shirt. to me that man cleared up any miniscule thread of doubt that i had about the court case being a movie.

thank you "CREW MAN"
 /bravo/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 03, 2011, 07:20:22 PM
I have a screenshot of the lost signal screen n the chat says 2:29:56, CST. That would be 12:29 in LA. I may have waited up to 1 minute before screen capture. Yes I was slow.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 03, 2011, 07:22:13 PM
Ps. the elevator scene was for Janitor Cam. Lol. He walks around cleaning up trash.


(http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g392/cherrymoon808/trash-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 03, 2011, 07:36:31 PM
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Ps. the elevator scene was for Janitor Cam. Lol. He walks around cleaning up trash.


(http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g392/cherrymoon808/trash-1.jpg)

:lol: That is EPIC!  /woohoo/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: BeTheChange on October 03, 2011, 10:54:41 PM
@TouchedByAnAngel...I saw the HLN feed to the empty room.  I posted about it in the September 27 thread...sorry hadn't seen it here.  But I didn't record it, not could I find a video clip of it to include in my post.  Thanks for posting it  ::P
 
With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 03, 2011, 11:06:47 PM
ok do you really know what i think? probably not....LOL

I personally believe "someone" in the "hoax" or MJ himself is reading these forums and leaving us clues...I think everything we are shown is for a reason...we just have figured out what yet.


I feel like its a CSI case...or an I SPY book....we have to dig deeper especially with the empty court room feed and the elevators ...there is something there...I know it...we have to figure it out!!!



Ok...look at .34 secs into the empty court room...look at the upper right corner...is that the striped wall paper again??

And why would ABC be linked into the courthouse surveillance system? The woman standing by the elevators doesn't notice she is being filmed by a camera...
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 03, 2011, 11:27:29 PM
Didn't the judge say something about technical difficulties with the elevators on day one and said that he was sorry the jurors were inconvenienced along with the people of the court?


It was in the pan up/fade to seal footage Souza posted on the TIAI 9/27 thread, end of Prosecutor's closing argument as Pastor dismisses the jury for the first court break.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Adi on October 04, 2011, 12:03:14 AM
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Just curious....has anybody managed to get a really clear view of the name bar on front of the desk where Michael E Pastor sits?
 
If so - does it say Michael E Pastor?
 
All the pics and vids I have managed to view so far don't have a clear view of it......it's either obstructed by the banner of broadcaster or it is blurry.

Funny you should ask, because just this morning they zoomed in on it clear as a bell, and it is indeed Michael E. Pastor.
....this is getting creepy now :?

Well that's a bit freaky! Funny how I asked that question yesterday and then in today's court they zoomed in on his name plaque......of course it might just be one of those crazy "coincidences"  8-)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on October 04, 2011, 12:37:05 AM
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Ps. the elevator scene was for Janitor Cam. Lol. He walks around cleaning up trash.


(http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g392/cherrymoon808/trash-1.jpg)

:lol: That is EPIC!  /woohoo/

 Yes Pure Love this is EPIC!!!! Trash is everywere,Michael knows this, lolol/,that's why he is sending us some also   :lol: mj_bad/ :lol:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9a1sq8PLV1qa26dno1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 04, 2011, 01:06:53 AM
About the flag that should be in the court room ... I found only this:
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/onf6yfrwbvzvcrn3abzo.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 04, 2011, 02:08:59 AM
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Hello, reading all your comments regarding this trial makes me feel better and I truly believe that MJ is alive and well.Chernoff was incredibly boring...is he a real lawyer ?  lolol/ Did anyone noticed when the paramedic Seneff was talking about what happened there and what he wrote they showed us a paper that said "Micheal Jackson" and the date of birth 28.08.1958 ?

I saw that too - If they supposedly got that information from his drivers license when they I.D him, how could they get that wrong?  :lol:
 
Also...has anyone been watching when the jurors come out of the court at the end of the day? I think a camera man from TMZ usually races over to where they exit to watch them coming out. Anyway, the reason I mention it, is I happen to watch it on Friday and there is one man on the jury that looks like he's in "costume" or like a disguise.  rr/  Something about his skin color looked odd...and the hair was a little "off".  He looked a little "theatrical" is the best way I can describe him. 

Anyone else see it? :geek:

Does anyone know how to take screen stills from a live video feed?   I just know they will show this man again.

...so does this mean Michael could even be sitting in the jury box???!! :shock:

(Jury #128 African American male, 54, technical director for TV, cousin is a judge and another cousin who's a lawyer, his dad died of alcoholism, juror on 3 cases, loved the Jackson 5 as a kid, now likes Jay Z.)

.....also too I noticed alot of the jurors had some related issues to alcoholism---either themselves or family members- not sure of the significance of that if any, just thought I'd mention it. :?

I haven't seen this but I would like to see it because I was thinking why TMZ had 13 chairs in that post about the jury?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: iLOVEMJBeLIEve on October 04, 2011, 03:51:43 AM
this is just madness /scream/ /pull hair/. the media is being played from day one. michael has got to be the most smartest man i've come across /bravo/ respect/ michael-jackson/ mj_bad/ mj_dance/ moonwalk_/. did anyone catch HLN put on their screen one day about someone wrote on their blog online, thinking michael's alive? i was like  WTF?? i forgot what that day was. i'm sure this trial and murray's story have cross a few journalists minds if this trial is real or not. even that, they will still doubt it because they think that michael is so "crazy" that he would do something like this /overreacting/. one of the journalist said michael wanted to drown himself into coma  WTF??  /overreacting/. she is lucky she was on tv and not infront of me. i'm laughing at all of them who are falling into the whole "michael drank propofol" bullshit. even my mom thinks it's  ridiculous, although she believes that he's dead.

half of the family is also having fun on the immortal tour/tribute concert. i personally believe that the family is very very media conscious. they all might have agreed on doing the tribute show but they fear that if they all go to the tribute, people and the media would start raising eyebrows. so to make things look a bit realistic, they have members disagreeing and agreeing. la toya, la toya, la toya. she dresses like  this trial is like a red carpet event  lolol/. she dressed far more formal in the molestation trial than this one. oh wait, how can i forget the memorial?

one more thing, my guts tells me that dr. drew is onto something. his shows and interviews has been very weird and different from the others. he even talked about the inconsistencies in the court this monday.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 04, 2011, 04:11:37 AM
Is the oath correct?
Lady says :"Do you solemnly state that the testimony you may give in the cause now pending before this court, shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"

Shouldn't she say: "Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you will give/ are about to give in the cause now pending before this court, shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?"?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 04, 2011, 08:58:50 AM
I saw on Twitter this morning a picture that is really interesting. I wondered about the Asian lady we saw yesterday..anyway, thanks to Seeing Clues, here it is:

http://twitpic.com/6uot6c

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 04, 2011, 09:05:36 AM
 :shock: :lol:
 
 mj_bad/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: AnaMarcia on October 04, 2011, 09:13:18 AM
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Vi o Twitter não Nesta Manhã UMA imagem Que É realmente Interessante. Gostaria de saber Sobre a moça Asiática Ontem vimos .. de QUALQUÉR forma, Graças AO Vendo Clues, Aqui está online:

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Oh ... My god!  :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 04, 2011, 09:23:50 AM
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Hello, reading all your comments regarding this trial makes me feel better and I truly believe that MJ is alive and well.Chernoff was incredibly boring...is he a real lawyer ?  lolol/ Did anyone noticed when the paramedic Seneff was talking about what happened there and what he wrote they showed us a paper that said "Micheal Jackson" and the date of birth 28.08.1958 ?

I saw that too - If they supposedly got that information from his drivers license when they I.D him, how could they get that wrong?  :lol:
 
Also...has anyone been watching when the jurors come out of the court at the end of the day? I think a camera man from TMZ usually races over to where they exit to watch them coming out. Anyway, the reason I mention it, is I happen to watch it on Friday and there is one man on the jury that looks like he's in "costume" or like a disguise.  rr/  Something about his skin color looked odd...and the hair was a little "off".  He looked a little "theatrical" is the best way I can describe him. 

Anyone else see it? :geek:

Does anyone know how to take screen stills from a live video feed?   I just know they will show this man again.

...so does this mean Michael could even be sitting in the jury box???!! :shock:

(Jury #128 African American male, 54, technical director for TV, cousin is a judge and another cousin who's a lawyer, his dad died of alcoholism, juror on 3 cases, loved the Jackson 5 as a kid, now likes Jay Z.)

.....also too I noticed alot of the jurors had some related issues to alcoholism---either themselves or family members- not sure of the significance of that if any, just thought I'd mention it. :?

I haven't seen this but I would like to see it because I was thinking why TMZ had 13 chairs in that post about the jury?

The juror I saw looks ALOT like this picture Jermaine has in his book "You are not alone" of Michael in disguise. There is a you tube video here on the forum under "Jermaine gives more clues" where they flash the picture of him with Michael in this disguise.  That man looked just like this juror coming out of court at the end of the day.


I don't know how to take still shots or post links (I'm a little lost finding things on this site), but hopefully someone else will notice it too. :|

But I'm convinced Jermaine put that picture in his book on purpose knowing it would come out now that the trial is going on!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: AThousandTimes on October 04, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
One of the weirdest things so far is I think AGAIN the toys in the court house... this is a trial about man slaughter... why in God's name would there be a stuffed elephant toy in the room??? I lost a lot of faith last week after that horryfing tape of Michael's voice but the past days I slowly get my faith & hope back... Michael is alive... This trial is broadcasted LIVE all over the world, if this was serious, there wouldn't be stuffed animals. The elephant must refer to 'the elephant in the room'.... the truth we all see.

Another weird thing is the old stretcher. When I saw the photo of dead Michael for the first time I clicked it away, I thought it was a very old picture... and that is what I think now. Not fake, not photoshopped, just old. Late 90's perhaps. Maybe after surgery? He has something on his nose, why would he have that when he's dead???

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJsWifeMJ on October 04, 2011, 12:55:31 PM
hi all am new here. i wanted to know why you call this a TRIAL  Man's Laughter Trial?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: underthemoon on October 05, 2011, 04:33:54 AM
It all looks so fake. The judge sit there alone, without any assessor....i never saw that before.
All is so leger, it's not quiet like it is usual in other court hearings. Normaly everyone has to sit down and be quiet when the judge speaks...
http://www.youtube.com/user/CaliforniaCourts?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/5/KUiacyGc71g (http://www.youtube.com/user/CaliforniaCourts?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/5/KUiacyGc71g)
Look at this video...that looks real.....here are only a few tables and chairs and many ppl in uniform who are walking around....looks so fake to me.
And witch judge would mention the weather ??????????? Even a snow storm dosn't matter....they do what they have to do, only when it's actual happen would stop the procedure.
I am sure he speaks a lot smalltalk that i haven't heard....
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 05, 2011, 11:58:01 AM

In the angle they just showed where the judge is speaking with witness Steven Marks, there is an elephant. Here is the picture.

Blessings :)


Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 05, 2011, 12:02:07 PM
Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 05, 2011, 12:23:58 PM
I posted pics in the trial forum....


<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/weird3.jpg">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/weird2.jpg">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/weird.jpg">


Not sure what the statue is on the phone table...
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: AThousandTimes on October 05, 2011, 12:30:40 PM
Another elephant?  :lol: Come on this can't be coincidence anymore... LITERALLY elephants in the room!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 05, 2011, 12:33:44 PM
at first glance it looked like a statue of Abe Lincoln...I cant tell but its a statue...it's on the same table as a phone...any relevance?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 05, 2011, 12:38:49 PM
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I posted pics in the trial forum....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/weird.jpg)

Not sure what the statue is on the phone table...

THANK YOU - WE WERE ASKING FOR BUBBLES THE CHIMPANZEE ON THE CHAT YESTERDAY

whoever thought of us today (MICHAEL - CHEEKS UP PLS) this is for you and only for you:

(http://www.punjabigraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/blowing-kisses.gif)

and  bearhug bearhug
bearhug
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 05, 2011, 12:42:01 PM
are you serious? It's a chimp???  OMG!


This is getting weirder by the minute, most of the things mentioned in the forums have been popping up in this trial...


this trial just screams hoax....
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 05, 2011, 12:43:12 PM
Can I ask for something?  ;D


I wanna see a pair of sunglasses on a table somewhere in the court room :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 05, 2011, 01:18:31 PM
Entire recording:

(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/klz682mdqxa41q5sx4v.jpg)

(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/jjw4cw3lf0eryd3gh0z.jpg)

(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/qd43hd29jx5g91ot78d6.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: reveron1958 on October 05, 2011, 01:19:14 PM
I screencapped these earlier on day 7...


(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/reveron/CM1.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/reveron/CM2.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 05, 2011, 01:21:14 PM
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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Patricia on October 05, 2011, 01:43:33 PM
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I posted pics in the trial forum....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/weird.jpg)

Not sure what the statue is on the phone table...

THANK YOU - WE WERE ASKING FOR BUBBLES THE CHIMPANZEE ON THE CHAT YESTERDAY

whoever thought of us today (MICHAEL - CHEEKS UP PLS) this is for you and only for you:

(http://www.punjabigraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/blowing-kisses.gif)

and  bearhug bearhug
bearhug

 lolol/ This seems realy Bubbles!!!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 05, 2011, 02:52:44 PM
Michael deserves more then an Oscar.. He is fantastic, slurring his words.. He is coherent that is for sure, he knows what he was talking about, so they cannot say he was drunk, doped or anything else. To me it sounds Michael did it un purpose like everything else he does, with the media. Jermaine vouched it.. Michael knew what he was saying, it was so beautiful for what he wants to do for the children in hospital. Does that sound a man who wants to kill himself with propofol? Give me a break..

Murray will be free, and Michael will come back. This is a great lessons to all the media in this world, to get the facts straight before any printing. blessings.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 05, 2011, 02:53:12 PM
I noticed this morning that when the lady (Hershberger?) was speaking about the medical equipment that Dr Murray ordered, the blood pressure cuffs were from a manufacturer named "StarLine". Starline is also the name of a Hollywood Tour company. Oh - and they spelled it exactly the same way with no space in between the words and both S and L capitalized.

http://www.starlinetours.com/ (http://www.starlinetours.com/)

And then Steven Marks, the forensic phone guy, was confirming various emails one of them was regarding a patient (I think it was about Paul Farance) and it showed his personal medical information. I believe this would be in direct violation of HIPPA laws. If this were real they would need to block out the patient identification number and other personal information - or not show it on national T.V.

EDIT: I realize now that they think Paul Farance is an alias name for Michael.

Blessings
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 05, 2011, 02:56:13 PM
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Michael deserves more then an Oscar.. He is fantastic, slurring his words.. He is coherent that is for sure, he knows what he was talking about, so they cannot say he was drunk, doped or anything else. To me it sounds Michael did it un purpose like everything else he does, with the media. Jermaine vouched it.. Michael knew what he was saying, it was so beautiful for what he wants to do for the children in hospital. Does that sound a man who wants to kill himself with propofol? Give me a break..

Murray will be free, and Michael will come back. This is a great lessons to all the media in this world, to get the facts straight before any printing. blessings.


You're right. I got the impression that Michael had cotton in his mouth when he was talking. LOL. I didn't believe for one minute that it was real.

Good job, Michael - you have the media buying this hook, line, and sinker.

My request: can we see a picture on the judges desk of his mother? Thank you in advance :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: AnaMarcia on October 05, 2011, 03:28:24 PM
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Michael deserves more then an Oscar.. He is fantastic, slurring his words.. He is coherent that is for sure, he knows what he was talking about, so they cannot say he was drunk, doped or anything else. To me it sounds Michael did it un purpose like everything else he does, with the media. Jermaine vouched it.. Michael knew what he was saying, it was so beautiful for what he wants to do for the children in hospital. Does that sound a man who wants to kill himself with propofol? Give me a break..

Murray will be free, and Michael will come back. This is a great lessons to all the media in this world, to get the facts straight before any printing. blessings.


You're right. I got the impression that Michael had cotton in his mouth when he was talking. LOL. I didn't believe for one minute that it was real.

Good job, Michael - you have the media buying this hook, line, and sinker.

My request: can we see a picture on the judges desk of his mother? Thank you in advance :)

@all4love - Amen for your words! This seems more and more obvious!

@Voice - Great conclusion, cotton in mouth it's so possible!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 05, 2011, 03:30:56 PM
 “Ringling Bros. Elephant Trial Promises to Be a Circusby Walter Olson on February 3, 2009 
After more than eight years of litigation, lawyers for Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus will appear in federal court this week to square off against a handful of animal welfare organizations that have filed suit against the circus alleging that it routinely violates federal law by abusing its elephants. The case is a major test for the reach of the Endangered Species Act, which for the first time is being used by private citizens to try to influence the care of animals already in captivity.” If the complainants, led by the ASPCA (American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), succeed in the creative effort to reshape the Endangered Species Act into a federal animal welfare statute, lawsuits in other areas are likely to follow [Legal Times]
http://overlawyered.com/2009/02/ringling-bros-elephant-trial-promises-to-be-a-circus/ (http://overlawyered.com/2009/02/ringling-bros-elephant-trial-promises-to-be-a-circus/)

The courtroom toy elephant reminds me of the elephants of the Ringling Bros, who were present around the time of MJ's Memorial at the Staples Center, crossed my mind. http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/4n3aKeaHZMh/Circus+Elephants+Arrive+Staples+Center+Hours (http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/4n3aKeaHZMh/Circus+Elephants+Arrive+Staples+Center+Hours). CM's manslaugter trial promised to be a (MEDIA) circus. We might conclude it sure is. Keeping this article in mind, I'd imagine that the elephant is a metaphor for MJ (and celebs who are continuously slandered by the tabloid press), who's filing a suit against the MEDIA circus. At least, that's my interpretation of the elephant clue in the court room.
L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 05, 2011, 03:43:56 PM
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Michael deserves more then an Oscar.. He is fantastic, slurring his words.. He is coherent that is for sure, he knows what he was talking about, so they cannot say he was drunk, doped or anything else. To me it sounds Michael did it un purpose like everything else he does, with the media. Jermaine vouched it.. Michael knew what he was saying, it was so beautiful for what he wants to do for the children in hospital. Does that sound a man who wants to kill himself with propofol? Give me a break..

Murray will be free, and Michael will come back. This is a great lessons to all the media in this world, to get the facts straight before any printing. blessings.


You're right. I got the impression that Michael had cotton in his mouth when he was talking. LOL. I didn't believe for one minute that it was real.

Good job, Michael - you have the media buying this hook, line, and sinker.

My request: can we see a picture on the judges desk of his mother? Thank you in advance :)


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You're right. I got the impression that Michael had cotton in his mouth when he
was talking. LOL. I didn't believe for one minute that it was real.
LOL, cotton mouth, which reminds me of Marlon Brando who also had cotton in his mouth in "Godfather" (I can't remember which part). I believe Michael was a fan of Marlon Brando ;) 
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: reveron1958 on October 05, 2011, 03:45:56 PM
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/reveron/CM3.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: LOVEforMJ1995 on October 05, 2011, 04:25:31 PM
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"people vs Murray"
SA073164 - 0+7+3+1+6+4= 21 (777) :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 05, 2011, 04:28:30 PM
Credits to Souza:
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Elissa Fleak The bone collector By Christine Pelisek published: May 15, 2008 
  •  (http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e14//the-bone-collector.2156475.40.jpg)  (http://www.laweekly.com/photoGallery/?gallery=222201)
  If you’re a hiker out for an afternoon stroll along the hilly areas of Santa Clarita and Lancaster, or you’re relaxing on one of Malibu’s beaches, or working at one of L.A.’s freshly dug construction sites, there’s a surprisingly good chance you’ll stumble across Native American remains — although you’d probably never realize it. Coroner investigator Elissa Fleak knows, better than almost anyone, the subtle signs and tiny clues missed by millions of other Californians. “We know most of the gravesites in Los Angeles County,” she says. “Indians roved everywhere back in the day.” For instance, she notes, “Chumash elders would walk toward the water and die peacefully by the beach.”  The pint-sized dark-haired Nancy Drew of ancient bones is a Mono Indian, as well as the coroner’s tribal liaison for Native American remains, and its representative under the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. It’s her job to determine the ancestry of remains and return the bones to their tribes for proper burial. The L.A. County Coroner at least twice a month identifies Native American remains, mostly belonging to the Gabrielino/Tongva or the Chumash.
 Sometimes, those discoveries are closer to “home.” Six months ago, 31-year-old Fleak — whose great-great-great-great-grandfather was a medicine man — was asked to determine the ancestry of a skull brought to the coroner’s office by a high school teacher who’d kept it on display in her classroom for the last 20 years. (A student who’d found it on a relatives’ farm in Northern California had given the skull to her.) With the help of an anthropologist, Fleak determined that it was the skull of a Yurok Indian woman who died 300 years ago.
 When she isn’t returning Native American remains to their ancestral burial grounds, Fleak has another highly specialized, if darker, skill: She unravels the mysteries of how children die, from infants snuffed out at night by their own parents’ bodies thanks to co-sleeping to teens who cut off their own breath with ropes and belts to get a buzz, but instead become the latest victims of the “choking game.”
   
 Photo by Kevin Scanlon

http://www.laweekly.com/2008-05-15/news/the-bone-collector/ (http://www.laweekly.com/2008-05-15/news/the-bone-collector/)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 05, 2011, 04:49:25 PM
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Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right

 /woohoo/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 05, 2011, 05:04:08 PM
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Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right

 /woohoo/

If we get every day one more, they may start a polonaise .... hahaha
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 05, 2011, 05:55:12 PM
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Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right

 /woohoo/

If we get every day one more, they may start a polonaise .... hahaha
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUgI-MEEOqGExaVZeWiYCathqmQcuL4Erzea7r6Z_hc7x5dSqS)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 05, 2011, 06:09:19 PM
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Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right

 /woohoo/

If we get every day one more, they may start a polonaise .... hahaha
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUgI-MEEOqGExaVZeWiYCathqmQcuL4Erzea7r6Z_hc7x5dSqS)

 lolol/

awwwwwwwwwwww they're so cute but I don't like to see animals at circus :( It makes me feel like it hurts them to do all those hard moves and that breaks my heart. I love all animals a LOT.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 05, 2011, 06:10:43 PM
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Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right

 /woohoo/

If we get every day one more, they may start a polonaise .... hahaha
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUgI-MEEOqGExaVZeWiYCathqmQcuL4Erzea7r6Z_hc7x5dSqS)

 lolol/

awwwwwwwwwwww they're so cute but I don't like to see animals at circus :( It makes me feel like it hurts them to do all those hard moves and that breaks my heart. I love all animals a LOT.
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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: scorpionchik on October 05, 2011, 06:28:05 PM
Pearl Jr EXCLUSIVE with J. Michael Flanagan
 
 
 
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G388wonvV8E&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]
 
 
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 05, 2011, 06:35:25 PM
The Cali flag in the court room is not the correct one. The official flag does not carry any yellow sun rays in it.
Except - well ... except it is both in court - front Caliland, back Simpsons.

"Let's do the Bart, man..." LOL

This is the correct flag:

(http://www.elcivics.com/state-lessons/images/california-flag-bear.jpg)


This is the Simpson's Springfield flag from TV:

(http://www.snpp.com/bin/springfield.list.DABF20.jpg)

Quote
The state flag (http://www.snpp.com/bin/springfield.list.DABF20.jpg) is a Confederate flag partially immersed in water, with sun rays behind it.
(http://www.snpp.com/guides/springfield.list.html (http://www.snpp.com/guides/springfield.list.html))


This is the court flag:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 05, 2011, 06:44:27 PM
Quote
Do The Bartman Lyrics
 Artist(Band):The Simpsons
 
 Bart:
 Yo! Hey what's happening dude?
 I'm a guy with a rep for bein' rude.
 Terrorizin' people wherever I go,
 It's not intentional, just keepin' the flow.
 Fixin' test scores to get the best scores,
 Droppin' banana peels all over the floor,
 I'm the kid that made delinquency an art,
 Last name, Simpson; first name, Bart.
 I'm here today to introduce the next phase,
 The next step in the big Bart craze.
 I got a dance, real easy to do,
 I learned it with no rhythm and so can you!
 So move your body, if you got the notion,
 Front to back in a rock-like motion.
 Now that you got it, if you think you can,
 Do it to the music, that's the Bartman

 Back-up Singers:
 Everybody if you can, do the Bartman!
 Shake you body, turn it out, if you can, man!
 Move you butt to the side, yes you can, can!
 Everybody in the house, do the Bartman
 (x2)

 Bart:
 It wasn't long ago, just a couple of weeks,
 I got in trouble, yeah, pretty deep.
 Homer was yellin', mom was, too,
 Because I put mothballs in the beef stew.
 Punishment time, in the air lurks gloom,
 Sittin' by myself, confined to my room.
 When all else fails, nothin' else left to do,
 I turn on the music, so I can feel the groove!

 Back-up Singers:
 Move your body, if you got the notion,
 Front to back in a rock-like motion.
 Move your hips from side to side now,
 Don't ya slip, let your feet glide now.
 If you've got the groove, you gotta use it.
 Rock rhythm in time with the music.
 You just might start a chain reaction...
  Bart: If you can do the Bart, you're bad like Michael Jackson.

 
Back-up Singers:
 Everybody if you can, do the Bartman!
 Shake you body, turn it out..If you can, man!
 Move your butt to the side as you can, can!
 Everybody in the house do the Bartman...Do the Bartman!
 Bart: Do the Bartman!
 Everybody back and forth, from side to side.
 Back-up Singers: Do the Bartman!
 Bart: Do the Bartman!
 Now here's a dance beat that you can't deny!
 Homer: Turn it down! Will you stop that infernal racket?
 Back-up Singers: Do the Bartman!
 Bart:
 Oh my ears! Lisa! Put that saxophone away!
 You can't touch this!
 I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything.
 Now, I'm in the house feelin' good to be home,
 'Til Lisa starts blowin' her damn saxophone.
 And if it was mine, you know they'd take it away,
 But still I'm feelin' good, so that's okay.
 I'm up in my room, just a-singin' a song,
 Listenin' to the kicks while I'm kickin' along.
 Yeah, Lisa likes jazz, she's her number one fan,
 But I know I'm bad, 'cause I do the Bartman!
 Back-up Singers:
 Everybody, if you can do the Bartman!
 Shake your body, turn it out if you can, man!
 Move your butt to the side, as you can, can!
 Everybody in the house, do the Bartman! Do the Bartman!
 Bart: Do the Bartman!
 Everybody back and forth from side to side.
 Back-up Singers: Do the Bartman!
 Bart: Do the Bartman!
 She can do it, he can do it, so can I!
 Back-up Singers:
 If you've got the groove, you gotta use it.
 Rock rhythm in time with the music.
 You just might start a chain reaction...
 Bart: I'm a Bartman.
 Back-up Singers:
 Everybody, if you can, do the Bartman!
 Shake your body, turn it out, if you can, man!
 Move your butt to the side, as you can, can!
 Everybody in the house do the Bartman!
 Move you body, if you got the notion,
 Skake your body to the rock-like motion!
 Move your hips from side to side now,
 Don't ya slip, let your feet glide now!
 If you've got your groove, you gotta use it!
 Rock rhythm in time with the music!
 Bart: Eat your heart out, Michael!
 Back-up Singers: You just might start a chain reaction...
 Bart: Oh wow, man.
 
 

thats the video of the Bartman  ;) :
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5159598/the_simpsons_do_the_bartman/ (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5159598/the_simpsons_do_the_bartman/)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 05, 2011, 07:23:41 PM
Did anyone notice that at the end of today's session that the judge just left the lady cop sitting in the booth and didn't dismiss her?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 05, 2011, 08:15:07 PM
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Did anyone notice that at the end of today's session that the judge just left the lady cop sitting in the booth and didn't dismiss her?

LOL - I am not sure if they are supposed to be that sloppy or if they are just messing up. It's rather funny because the prosecutor didn't wear protective gloves while handling the evidence today. It reminded me of the magazine incident in the 2005 trial.

The other thing I noticed but I'm not sure if it's usually done this way (doesn't sound like it should be) is that the judge tells the jury that if the information doesn't line up with what they remember to just go with their own interpretation. What about going with the facts that are presented?

I saw the StarLine name on the blood pressure cuff box again and I'm sure it's a variation of the tour line. I'm going to search for the pictures and will post them.

:) Blessings!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: ignisaeternus on October 05, 2011, 09:08:05 PM
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Michael deserves more then an Oscar.. He is fantastic, slurring his words.. He is coherent that is for sure, he knows what he was talking about, so they cannot say he was drunk, doped or anything else. To me it sounds Michael did it un purpose like everything else he does, with the media. Jermaine vouched it.. Michael knew what he was saying, it was so beautiful for what he wants to do for the children in hospital. Does that sound a man who wants to kill himself with propofol? Give me a break..

Murray will be free, and Michael will come back. This is a great lessons to all the media in this world, to get the facts straight before any printing. blessings.


You're right. I got the impression that Michael had cotton in his mouth when he was talking. LOL. I didn't believe for one minute that it was real.

Good job, Michael - you have the media buying this hook, line, and sinker.

My request: can we see a picture on the judges desk of his mother? Thank you in advance :)


Quote
You're right. I got the impression that Michael had cotton in his mouth when he
was talking. LOL. I didn't believe for one minute that it was real.
LOL, cotton mouth, which reminds me of Marlon Brando who also had cotton in his mouth in "Godfather" (I can't remember which part). I believe Michael was a fan of Marlon Brando ;) 
 

Just heard it for the first time today. It sounds like he just had oral surgery- and/or as if he was holding his nose- VERY nasal. It's not slurred as much as spoken without breathing through the nose. Also, yes- I have heard my patients high on sedatives and high on other stuff- they are usually NOT this coherent. NO WAY!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 05, 2011, 09:35:00 PM
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Did anyone notice that at the end of today's session that the judge just left the lady cop sitting in the booth and didn't dismiss her?

LOL - I am not sure if they are supposed to be that sloppy or if they are just messing up. It's rather funny because the prosecutor didn't wear protective gloves while handling the evidence today. It reminded me of the magazine incident in the 2005 trial.

The other thing I noticed but I'm not sure if it's usually done this way (doesn't sound like it should be) is that the judge tells the jury that if the information doesn't line up with what they remember to just go with their own interpretation. What about going with the facts that are presented?

I saw the StarLine name on the blood pressure cuff box again and I'm sure it's a variation of the tour line. I'm going to search for the pictures and will post them.

:) Blessings!


http://discoverstarline.com/


Starline makes those tour buses that entertainers use...the REALLY nice ones :)


Can someone explain to me WHY Michael would have a KNIFE on his end table?

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/IMAG0775.jpg">


First the drugs and now a KNIFE?????????
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 05, 2011, 10:07:21 PM
Okay - so I am finding a StarLine manufacturer of blood pressure cuffs so perhaps it's real but I'm sure it has double meaning. Here is the picture of both companies. Also, TMZ has a connection to the StarLine Tours... :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Vietnow on October 05, 2011, 10:08:09 PM
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Can I ask for something?  ;D


I wanna see a pair of sunglasses on a table somewhere in the court room :)

Preferably some Rayban aviators.  ;D
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 05, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
http://discoverstarline.com/ (http://discoverstarline.com/)


Starline makes those tour buses that entertainers use...the REALLY nice ones :)


Can someone explain to me WHY Michael would have a KNIFE on his end table?

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/IMAG0775.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/IMAG0775.jpg)">


First the drugs and now a KNIFE?????????

 
A knife and a non working phone....good question :?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Andrea on October 05, 2011, 10:14:49 PM
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Okay - so I am finding a StarLine manufacturer of blood pressure cuffs so perhaps it's real but I'm sure it has double meaning. Here is the picture of both companies. Also, TMZ has a connection to the StarLine Tours... :)



Yes, the TMZ bus tours are through StarLine.  I took the tour on June 26th of this year and I would recommend it to anyone who goes to L.A.  It was a lot of fun and our tour guide Van is very funny and is regularly featured on the tv show.  He made fun of my friend and I for being the only Canadians on the bus.  We were simply called "Canada".  LOL. 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 05, 2011, 11:36:14 PM
the knife is what threw me thru a loop...I went  WTF??
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 05, 2011, 11:40:46 PM
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Can I ask for something?  ;D


I wanna see a pair of sunglasses on a table somewhere in the court room :)

Preferably some Rayban aviators.  ;D


Aviators might be too obvious but I second the sunglasses request.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 06, 2011, 12:13:14 AM
[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/A8_XUX1HkaM[/embed]

Notice where the blue ambu bag is in the original 09 "death" bed picture. How did it move from the left of the bed to the end of the bed?

Sorry, I don't know how to insert a photo for comparison. Can someone enlighten me, please?  :idea:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 06, 2011, 12:24:12 AM
Two other points of interest.
1.Today is the first day I’ve seen the prosecution wear gloves while handling evidence, and it seems he only did so due to handling bloody medicinal supplies. This is not routine practice.  I believe all evidence must be handled with gloves, period. Think back to the OJ trial - the glove in a glove… of course it didn’t fit!
2. The new clear version of MJ’s “death” photo put into evidence today is NOWHERE to be found on the net. Not even TMZ has published it.  ODD? I think so!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 06, 2011, 12:34:09 AM
Quote by Fatalkiss26 "Can someone explain to me WHY Michael would have a KNIFE on his end table?"

To cut the cheese? Odd there is no mention of this little item, unless they haven't got to that yet. My guess is that it was used to open the IV bag, and to make the "death" scene look scarier.  afraid/



Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 06, 2011, 12:35:43 AM
About recording:
- MJ - I'm gonna do it Conrad.
- CM - I know you would.

Does anyone else think this is strange? Why would and not will?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 06, 2011, 12:43:24 AM
msgitm, you can see the picture on previous page.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 06, 2011, 12:47:42 AM
 lol
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msgitm, you can see the picture on previous page.
I can't find the previous page! This site has become too confusing... much like this fake trial.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 06, 2011, 12:55:52 AM
DO YOU GET A GLOVE WHEN YOU'RE DEAD?

Clear picture:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/reveron/CM3.jpg)

What's that in his nose?
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/rx9kd6x2x58pmhlaugv5.jpg)

What are those two things on his hand?
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/iv588txcwydbcpoybuef.jpg)

This sure looks like a glove to me:
(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/sanpat7fsn123zh7hlsr.jpg)


WHAT do you think?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 06, 2011, 02:03:00 AM
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/reveron/CM3.jpg)



I tell you what, MJ looks great in this pic. He makes a very good looking dead guy... if you can get past that he has no legs. Where they should be is just a pile of strategically placed bed sheets. Please notice the gown is polka-dotted.


I say it is two pics layered. One is MJ posing on a stretcher, one is a mannequin (and not even necessarily a very good one, think torso cpr dummy) posed on a stretcher with the illusion of legs created by the bed sheets. But I really don't know how they made it. The ambulance pic with all its reflections provided great cover for layering. This is a simple single subject shot (say that 5 times fast).


I found two things straight away when zoomed to 400 on MJ's face in the pic. For reference the original pic titled exhibit 98, zoom 400x:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/mjdeadzoom.jpg)


I swear this is a 17. And ironically this is exhibit 98 (if I read that correctly) which=17, which is the number of the StarLine tour bus:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/mjdeadzoom17.jpg)


But if you look at the face a different way, it forms almost an emoticon, or an angry smiley face. I did my best to highlight it with the circular frame and added the white dots as pupils to highlight the eyes so people don't think I'm completely insane. The the red circle frames the smiley. Do you see it? Once you see it, it's obvious. It's an angry, frowny face smiley looking to it's right (our left), with a big nose that sticks out n up. It has a full beard and black hair. It's like one of those face changing pics that's either the haggard old lady or the beautiful maid depending on how you look at it. It's an emoticon Front would approve of for sure  :lol:  In any case, here's what I saw:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/mjdeadzoomAngrySmiley.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 06, 2011, 02:25:05 AM
Good observations.
1 - yes, there's 17, but maybe not intentionally
2 - it looks like angry Obelix :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: RK on October 06, 2011, 02:52:45 AM
I love the frowning smiley face. It looks like a little schnauzer puppy with the beard and all :-*

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Michelle on October 06, 2011, 03:48:43 AM
If this supposed to be a dead body, than why does the skin looks absolutely alive? I mean no changes into white or blue.... A couple of years ago i saw with my own two eyes a diver trying to be resuscitated by other divers and the man turned into blue and purple within seconds........I must tell you this memory is hunting me since then, i just saw it from a distance, but a human dying near you is the worst experience i've had in my life.........Luckily he survived, but still i don't understand, both on the ambulance picture (ok it's FAKE!!!) and both in the gurney picture the man/a mannequin/Michael looks completely full of life.....  :roll: ...or to me at least, anyone else?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 06, 2011, 03:52:50 AM
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If this supposed to be a dead body, than why does the skin looks absolutely alive? I mean no changes into white or blue.... A couple of years ago i saw with my own two eyes a diver trying to be resuscitated by other divers and the man turned into blue and purple within seconds........I must tell you this memory is hunting me since then, i just saw it from a distance, but a human dying near you is the worst experience i've had in my life.........Luckily he survived, but still i don't understand, both on the ambulance picture (ok it's FAKE!!!) and both in the gurney picture the man/a mannequin/Michael looks completely full of life.....  :roll: ...or to me at least, anyone else?

YES! Especially after they said Michael's casket was closed because of his bruises.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: skyways on October 06, 2011, 04:34:39 AM




Hi, Dear Family!


I have spend today almost ALL day to Carefully reviewed CM trial  - with pen and paper on my hand and below will post some of inconsistency I have notice so far.
My comp is running extremely slow - so I cant backup my words by any video-feed or photo, -  if someone will help to embed visual support for my points, I wl be Extremely Grateful bow/ .


Also  I will divide my observation for two parts -  HLN Special Report before/after live court  and actual live video-feed from courtroom.




Before we jump to actual hoax-view points  - I have to express my ADMIRATION for that Carefully Crafted Production that is presented to us by MICHAEL JACKSON - clearly, he have studied The Greatest Artists from top to bottom.
GENIUS WORK to the smallest detail  /bravo/


Second,
I would like to APPLAUSE CONRAD MURRAY for his Exceptional talent as an actor and adamant strength as a human being so far -   on the courtroom he have played his role of a Michael Jackson On Trial SOO WELL!
 I just cant get rid of that images of the stone-faced mask on his face, or T-H-A-T stern hurtful look of his eyes, or his compose, sitting still body when he listen to all accusation silently, so far we have even his Famous Cry on the courtroom -  did anyone remember  unbearable Michael's  tears on his trial of 2005 ? - I remember pale/ pale/ .
Only one detail that  is still missed- unforgettable Michael's half-tinted shades and his piercing  gaze through it.
Clear for me - Conrad Murray is are perfect example of dedicated honored FBI agent from top to bottom. respect/ respect/




Now  we going to move to actual topic of Today, oct.5 2011, court hearing and some of its odd things.


1.
a) In the morning hour -  HLN Special Report is begins with observations of yesterday bombshell testimony CM "girlfriends".
Pictures of CM ladies start to flying over a  screen for about good 5-7 min while  Vinnie Politan explaining .
Background music for that part? -  they chooses Very recognizable track of "Gilda" or some related old fifties theme, that ultimately send us to MJ's "Smooth Criminal" and that was just sooo obvious!
 
b) Surely, I cant pass Logo of HLN Special Report on left corner of the screen along with White Banner on the bottom , that inform us that we have viewing CM/MJ trial.
Again - WHAT IS chosen as Background on that White banner? - the Film Reel Tape image, that usually we get on regular "old" or independent movie before or after actual film start to played.


c) Of course, - from Jane Velnez&Co ENDLESS Talk today about HUMANIZING MJ after infamous tape of his cracked voice was played, his ENDLESS  and PURE dedication for children, that was even more OBVIOUS because of his 'unconscious" state. :shock: :shock:
I even begin to think that some TV anchors some how on the Hoax, to provide Justification for Michael on public eye.


d)And one more time -  come back to yesterday report from Outside the court.
V mask just left me silent - right behind TV reporter on the right side and Very well fit to the screen frame.
Along with Conrad Murray SUPPORTER/ employee talk - her EXACT words " CM is just SO MUCH LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON, he is dedicated to help people as much as he can, HE CANT HURT EVEN A FLY" and so on along that line.
Isnt that speech send us directly to DaveDave convo , that Michael cannot hurt a fly & etc?
Fascinated!






2.
Testimony of Elissa Fleak - before we start, I have to admit,
that after first 5 min of her examination I was Absolutely Convince, that she WASNT real Elissa, but instead actress/agent who is PLAYED Elissa Fleak for CM courtroom scenario, and below I attempt to explain my conclusion.
My  Deep Respect to Souza, who posted AMAZING find with pictures of REAL Elissa Fleak from few years before - surely can be a prototype for "Bones" tv-series. respect/
That pictures just Nailed my doubts.
 
Here we go : Please, meet ELISSA FLEAK, Investigator of the LA County Coroner, the person, who observed MJ room after he was taken by the ambulance and also person, WHO TAKES FAMOUS SHOT OF MJ DEAD.
I will place only inconsistency, that I was fast enough to notice.


a)Q from investigator to EF - Please, explain to court your duty and specific of your job.
EF answer (after couple fine line she get obviously confused and suddenly said about herself) - SHE would perform , then look into the paper and replaced by We would perform so and so.
BIIIG Lapse  I will say!  WTF??




b) Q to EF - Describe when you have take that photo( lifeless  MJ on stretcher, quality good).
EF answer was quick and confused -  On PRIVATE INVESTIGATION ROOM, then PRIVATE EMERGENCY ROOM, and finally  Private Investigation :shock: :shock:  Emergency Room of UCLA.
She was obviously lost.


After that hilarious first 5 min Elissa Fleak  carefully look to her script before she was ready to give ANY answer.


<On that part of the Q she also confirm to take 4 BOTTLE of blood from MJ body for future investigation - cant figure yet  WHY that is significant >




c)Q to EF - if she can identify  MJ room on the pic.
EF answer - yeas, this is the room when Mr.Jackson was found,  - but then quickly replaced When He was REPORTEDLY found.




d) Q if she can identify catater  :?: :?:  and jar  of URINE on MJ night stander ?
Yeas, she can.
OF COURSE -  this is HER pic of all that sh*t.
Just make me to come back to CRAZY Report from ARNOLD  - That MJ like to pee on the CAN in his office :lol:
Yeah, Priceless!!


e)Q to EF - What time she left MJ room after she investigate and take all that pic?
EF answer - By 20/20 that evening and return to that scene in 6/29.


ISNT WE HAVE MUCH TALK AFTER FRONT POST ABOUT 20/20 Visual side???


 /bravo/








That basically all my take for now  - its almost 5am in NY and i have to awake by 9.




Last but not least to mention, that Conrad Murray was wear YELLOW tie with Obvious BRICK ROAD print on it and media anchors REPEATEDLY talk about REASONABLE DOUBT that was planted for Jury by defense  of CM and THAT EXACT POINT may win court for Dr. Murray in the future.
Why? - because jury have to reach decisions on criminal court in BEYOND THE REASONABLE DOUBT ONLY condition!.


That DOUBT surely may WIN the ACCUITANCE  for Conrad Murray, - BUT in Public Eye HE WILL BE GUILTY anyway.


Here we are - Full Mirror of MJ outcome after his horrible trial!
THAT WHY Jermaine tell,  -  Trial wont brink Michael Back to us , but FULL RECOGNITION may will  michael-jackson/






HUGS TO ALL OF YOU and KEEP THE FAITH ON MIKE!



 bearhug

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Adi on October 06, 2011, 07:53:24 AM
@Bec... I can see the 17 and the angry smiley face.
 
As for MJ's hands - it looks like he has had his long fingers chopped off and transplanted with cocktail sausages  :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Adi on October 06, 2011, 07:59:03 AM
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The Cali flag in the court room is not the correct one. The official flag does not carry any yellow sun rays in it.
Except - well ... except it is both in court - front Caliland, back Simpsons.

"Let's do the Bart, man..." LOL

This is the correct flag:

(http://www.elcivics.com/state-lessons/images/california-flag-bear.jpg)


This is the Simpson's Springfield flag from TV:

(http://www.snpp.com/bin/springfield.list.DABF20.jpg)

Quote
The state flag (http://www.snpp.com/bin/springfield.list.DABF20.jpg) is a Confederate flag partially immersed in water, with sun rays behind it.
(http://www.snpp.com/guides/springfield.list.html (http://www.snpp.com/guides/springfield.list.html))


This is the court flag:

Wow! geat observation Grace!!!
That is funny.
 :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Adi on October 06, 2011, 08:06:38 AM
How about someone in court tap out a tune on the desk with their fingers...one of Michael's songs that is easily recognisable via finger tapping  :lol: 
 
How about the chorus of BAD???
 
 8-)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: wishingstar on October 06, 2011, 08:07:44 AM
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If this supposed to be a dead body, than why does the skin looks absolutely alive? I mean no changes into white or blue.... A couple of years ago i saw with my own two eyes a diver trying to be resuscitated by other divers and the man turned into blue and purple within seconds........I must tell you this memory is hunting me since then, i just saw it from a distance, but a human dying near you is the worst experience i've had in my life.........Luckily he survived, but still i don't understand, both on the ambulance picture (ok it's FAKE!!!) and both in the gurney picture the man/a mannequin/Michael looks completely full of life.....  :roll: ...or to me at least, anyone else?

I am so sorry you had to witness something near you like that....horrible I am sure.  However, it's great that you are now able to use that information in a positive way....thank you!   Blessings to you.
I'd like to add a question about this hospital photo...........
Why elevate the head of a dead body?  Certainly, the CPR wasn't performed on the gurney like that.  Just wondering?

Blessings
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJ_ForeverandAlways on October 06, 2011, 09:00:47 AM
Hey my MJ Family...I just want to add about the death bed photo.I witnessed my Mom, Dad, and Grandmother's Deaths...they all died battling cancer. Not one of them ever turn blue after they stopped breathing. My Grandma and Dad both looked like they had a white veil come down over their face and continued down over their body. My Mom did not change in color at all. I agree that Michael's color in that photo does not look like a deceased person. Just wanted to share my own personal experience....thanks!Love & Blessings to all!!   bearhug 


Just wanted to add...that I wasn't trying to say that all people do not turn blue....was just sharing that in some cases they do not. I think it has to due to lack of oxygen in the body. 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 06, 2011, 09:15:52 AM
Hey MJ_Forever, so brave of you to share your personal experiences. Thank you. I think it's sad and hard to witness your loved ones slide away from life. Yet, I think it is good that you shared your love until the end.
 bearhug
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 06, 2011, 09:51:07 AM
Skyways - THANK YOU so much for taking the time to dissect the information like you have. It takes a lot of time but I hope you continue doing this throughout the trial.

It's becoming much clearer that this is a hoax and not a sting. I say that because to me there seems to be too much information for our entertainment rather than to catch someone in a trap.

Saying that, the only trap anyone is falling into is the media who used to desecrate Michael's good name are now singing his praises...with the exception of some hold-outs  ::)

Great job with the other observations - this is no coincidence. No way, no how.

Blessings :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 06, 2011, 10:14:11 AM
the only reference that comes to mind with the the knife is a verse from She's Out of my Life


" and it cuts like a knife...."
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 06, 2011, 10:30:58 AM
Blood on the Dance Floor.


Quote
Susie got your number
And Susie ain't your friend
Look who took you under
With seven inches in
Blood is on the dance floor
Blood is on the knife
Susie got your number
You know Susie says its right
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 06, 2011, 12:14:38 PM
THEY MOVED THE CHIMP...

Elephant is still there but the chimp statue that was on the phone table is now moved to the shelf above it...I love it how they randomly place things in that court room lol
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJonmind on October 06, 2011, 12:54:49 PM
Bec, I love the smiley in MJ’s face!

There’s a bit of skin at the feet end of the gurney indicating perhaps the feet are turned towards us and flat or hanging over. I agree his skin looks very alive either being a dummy, photoshop combo of MJ with his mouth stretched wide open.

Also I saw my aunt pass away and she slowly turned waxy white. Then the nurse came in and closed her eyes and mouth after a few minutes.

With CM's pink tie today I'm reminded of Front's words--
Quote
Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………

{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}

Skyways, good observations! It sure seems HLN is in. Murray is so stoic and endearing. And there's no way EF could be this bad without it being deliberate--she's all over the place with her story, and it's crazy how she's tampered with the scene of the crime.  I find Ed Chernoff intimidating though, and I'm sure at some point I would have cracked with him. :shock:

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 06, 2011, 02:15:00 PM
I just wondered why I had this in my ear: "A Lisa flea" instead of a Elissa Fleak when I re-watched yesterday's first moments with that lady: there is a stream error, cutting INDEED off the spelling of the last "k" - it's in the first seconds of this video: 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAsrSuNKuiQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAsrSuNKuiQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAsrSuNKuiQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 06, 2011, 02:55:26 PM
Pic of stuff on the dresser:

Editorial pics of children (from like the 30's?)
Naked juice
Youth Essence Moisturizing Cream

and on the bed:

a girl doll

 WTF??

Also...what happened to Murray's soulful looks to the camera?  Now he looks defeated. 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 06, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
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THEY MOVED THE CHIMP...

Elephant is still there but the chimp statue that was on the phone table is now moved to the shelf above it...I love it how they randomly place things in that court room lol

Yep and there was no trashcan today.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 06, 2011, 02:58:56 PM
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Hey my MJ Family...I just want to add about the death bed photo.I witnessed my Mom, Dad, and Grandmother's Deaths...they all died battling cancer. Not one of them ever turn blue after they stopped breathing. My Grandma and Dad both looked like they had a white veil come down over their face and continued down over their body. My Mom did not change in color at all. I agree that Michael's color in that photo does not look like a deceased person. Just wanted to share my own personal experience....thanks!Love & Blessings to all!!   bearhug 


Just wanted to add...that I wasn't trying to say that all people do not turn blue....was just sharing that in some cases they do not. I think it has to due to lack of oxygen in the body. 


I'm so sorry to hear that you lost your loved ones because of cancer.   :cry: Thank you for sharing your experience with us. A big hug for you.  bearhug
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 06, 2011, 03:00:52 PM
yea they showed that doll.... WTF?? it looked really creepy....
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 06, 2011, 03:27:09 PM
Grace - when you said "Lisa Flea" it reminded me of Lisa Marie. Great observation - I don't have a clue what it could mean...

When the defense showed the gloves today it reminded me of the d**d Michael picture with MJ's hand.

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJ_ForeverandAlways on October 06, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
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Hey my MJ Family...I just want to add about the death bed photo.I witnessed my Mom, Dad, and Grandmother's Deaths...they all died battling cancer. Not one of them ever turn blue after they stopped breathing. My Grandma and Dad both looked like they had a white veil come down over their face and continued down over their body. My Mom did not change in color at all. I agree that Michael's color in that photo does not look like a deceased person. Just wanted to share my own personal experience....thanks!Love & Blessings to all!!   bearhug 


Just wanted to add...that I wasn't trying to say that all people do not turn blue....was just sharing that in some cases they do not. I think it has to due to lack of oxygen in the body. 


I'm so sorry to hear that you lost your loved ones because of cancer.   :cry: Thank you for sharing your experience with us. A big hug for you.  bearhug


Thank you PureLove & everlastinglove_MJ for your love & hugs I appreciate them!  And.....I was glad to share.


 While it has not been easy loosing my loved ones to cancer....this is going to sound weird or aweful and I don't mean it that way but.....With them dying from this horrible disease it gave me plenty of time to spend time with them and to resolve things that needed resolved...gave me a change to give forgiveness to my parents for my childhood and free my heart of bitterness I had carried for 40 + years. It gave me a chance to care for them and show them how much I loved them.  So while it was so very painful to watch....I wouldn't change a thing (other than to have them lived of course). I have lost other close family to heart attacks and other things that took them suddenly and I never got to say goodbye, and that really bothers me.....but I'll see them again someday so that helps :)


Hugs, Love, and Blessings to you all!! 
    bearhug
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 06, 2011, 07:35:02 PM
How about all that pee in his bladder! 3 jars, over 500 mls - that’s one fancy bladder! When someone dies their muscles relax and all that comes out. My mom was a nurse, in her day they actually plugged the back end after death and put a pad under the front end. She shook her head when I told her about the amount of pee in his body. Yet... no one asks this question - not even of the so called specialists blabbing on TV afterwards!?! MJ was "dead" for hours before the autopsy - no way would there be any pee. And by the way - he was dehydrated????
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 06, 2011, 08:59:56 PM
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How about all that pee in his bladder! 3 jars, over 500 mls - that’s one fancy bladder! When someone dies their muscles relax and all that comes out. My mom was a nurse, in her day they actually plugged the back end after death and put a pad under the front end. She shook her head when I told her about the amount of pee in his body. Yet... no one asks this question - not even of the so called specialists blabbing on TV afterwards!?! MJ was "dead" for hours before the autopsy - no way would there be any pee. And by the way - he was dehydrated????

Exactly. Very nice catch. I thought the same. He was dehydrated, so where did all the pee come from? Another contradiction.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 06, 2011, 09:00:52 PM
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yea they showed that doll.... WTF?? it looked really creepy....

 WTF?? is there a screenshot of it?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 06, 2011, 10:27:30 PM
The toxocoligist was all that until the defense (Murray's lawyer) started questioning him!  He said there was enough blood in the I.V. tube (I think it was the IV Tube) to do a DNA test in the future.  Which is EXACTLY what I think will happen....which will reveal that it wasn't MJ!!!  Another thing he said was that it could have been anybody's urine...not necessarily MJ's!  Wot Wot!

 :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 06, 2011, 10:32:49 PM
I meant the toxocologist...not the coroner. :?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 06, 2011, 10:33:12 PM
I meant the toxocologist...not the coroner. :?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: skyways on October 07, 2011, 01:52:17 AM
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Skyways - THANK YOU so much for taking the time to dissect the information like you have. It takes a lot of time but I hope you continue doing this throughout the trial.

It's becoming much clearer that this is a hoax and not a sting. I say that because to me there seems to be too much information for our entertainment rather than to catch someone in a trap.

Saying that, the only trap anyone is falling into is the media who used to desecrate Michael's good name are now singing his praises...with the exception of some hold-outs  ::)

Great job with the other observations - this is no coincidence. No way, no how.

Blessings :) 




BLESS U VOICE for such sweet words!


Unfortunately, as much as I would like to slice the day or two of that remarkable Trial - its wl b hardly happened due to my work schedule on next week. Sorry!@ bearhug


But I am truly glad, that my small input was valuable for our journey. typing/

I will put my heart on it as much as i can .


p.s. MJONMIND Thanx Again!@


Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: curls on October 07, 2011, 02:05:29 AM
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How about all that pee in his bladder! 3 jars, over 500 mls - that’s one fancy bladder! When someone dies their muscles relax and all that comes out. My mom was a nurse, in her day they actually plugged the back end after death and put a pad under the front end. She shook her head when I told her about the amount of pee in his body. Yet... no one asks this question - not even of the so called specialists blabbing on TV afterwards!?! MJ was "dead" for hours before the autopsy - no way would there be any pee. And by the way - he was dehydrated????

Exactly. Very nice catch. I thought the same. He was dehydrated, so where did all the pee come from? Another contradiction.  :mrgreen:

I hope someone is taking note of all the questions being raised here - i.e. Ed - for future use!

I missed the final session last night after their last break - did they reach exhibit PP !!!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Heartsong on October 07, 2011, 02:25:23 AM
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How about all that pee in his bladder! 3 jars, over 500 mls - that’s one fancy bladder! When someone dies their muscles relax and all that comes out. My mom was a nurse, in her day they actually plugged the back end after death and put a pad under the front end. She shook her head when I told her about the amount of pee in his body. Yet... no one asks this question - not even of the so called specialists blabbing on TV afterwards!?! MJ was "dead" for hours before the autopsy - no way would there be any pee. And by the way - he was dehydrated????

Exactly. Very nice catch. I thought the same. He was dehydrated, so where did all the pee come from? Another contradiction.  :mrgreen:

Murray lied, how unusual. There was no dehydration. He was giving the fluid to keep up blood volume to counteract the hypovolemic (dilation of blood vessels that causes relative reduction in circulating blood volume) effect of propofol. And the fluid was being eliminated as fast as it was going in because it was not needed for normal metabolic function...
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJonmind on October 07, 2011, 03:06:08 AM
YouRnotAlone7
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Pic of stuff on the dresser:

Editorial pics of children (from like the 30's?)
Naked juice
Youth Essence Moisturizing Cream

and on the bed:

a girl doll 

Also...what happened to Murray's soulful looks to the camera?  Now he looks defeated. 

I think this is a deliberate attempt to 'in your face' draw in those who accused MJ of wrong behavior toward children. They can clearly see his 3 beautiful happy children refutes that. Likewise the Hold My Hand cover showing 2 people holding hands, and the song, would easily take the public back to the last picture they saw of MJ holding hands with Gavin Arvizo.  Jermaine said the MJ in a wheelchair pic was giving the media and public what they wanted --MJ the sick weak druggie. This approach challenges people to look beyond what they see and look deeper.  So many connections to the 2005 trial have already been made.

voiceforthesilent
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When the defense showed the gloves today it reminded me of the d**d Michael picture with MJ's hand.
Good connection!  Could the glove on the MJ “death” photo indicate that he is both “dead” patient and doctor at the same time??  (Murray/Michael?)

YouRnotAlone7
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The toxicologist was all that until the prosecutor started questioning him!  He said there was enough blood in the I.V. tube (I think it was the IV Tube) to do a DNA test in the future.  Which is EXACTLY what I think will happen....which will reveal that it wasn't MJ!!!  Another thing he said was that it could have been anybody's urine...not necessarily MJ's!  Wot Wot!
 
 afraid/ So many possibilities!  I agree that guy sure was long-winded about how much he knew!  But like Front said MJ thinks many moves ahead in this chess game!  I love seeing the strategy being played out in the court (though much of the detail goes over my head  geek/ ).



On the topic of the 'pp' above.  I must have missed that part about the 500 mls urine because I was in and out. Could you give just a bit of detail on that? Thanks.  All I heard was Walgren asking a couple of times, “So there was no urine in the bag?” 



Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 07, 2011, 05:18:54 AM
The doll is here:
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/c96247aa8e0075d4b31850445f9542c68b255edb634f71581d5caeccf27a54a96g.jpg)

I also made screenshots of everything else and you can see it here:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20780.0.html
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 07, 2011, 09:35:01 AM
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How about all that pee in his bladder! 3 jars, over 500 mls - that’s one fancy bladder! When someone dies their muscles relax and all that comes out. My mom was a nurse, in her day they actually plugged the back end after death and put a pad under the front end. She shook her head when I told her about the amount of pee in his body. Yet... no one asks this question - not even of the so called specialists blabbing on TV afterwards!?! MJ was "dead" for hours before the autopsy - no way would there be any pee. And by the way - he was dehydrated????

Exactly. Very nice catch. I thought the same. He was dehydrated, so where did all the pee come from? Another contradiction.  :mrgreen:

Murray lied, how unusual. There was no dehydration. He was giving the fluid to keep up blood volume to counteract the hypovolemic (dilation of blood vessels that causes relative reduction in circulating blood volume) effect of propofol. And the fluid was being eliminated as fast as it was going in because it was not needed for normal metabolic function...

This was really interesting to read. You appear to be of the medical field. I have to believe that there is something with the numbers they gave in reference to the urine jars but I haven't had time to really think about it.

They said there were three jars of urine and each one contained the following amounts:

187 mL
183 mL
155 mL

Total 525 mL

MJonmind - you could be right. What I was thinking is that the picture is to paint MJ subconsciously in our minds as the one who gave himself propofol. As if he's going to put on a glove before self injecting - LOL, That was funny just typing it out.

What I couldn't believe is that Fleak told us that her investigation was not perfect and the toxicologist told us that the urine could belong to anyone. If I were on the jury those two statements would give me reason to doubt.

Another thing...the toxicologist yesterday specifically pointed out that there was no pain killers, marijuana or meth in MJ's system. He didn't even have aspirin in his system. All that he had was what Murray supposedly gave him yet the media still is calling MJ a drug addict. Grrrr....

Lorela - thank you for all of the screen shots  /bravo/

When I look at that doll I think of the dollhouse we were shown at Encino. The whole thing looks staged so there has to be a reason why it was brought up again. I agree that it could be to draw the media into their own trap of lies. What animals are on the dolls outfit? Are they zoo animals or farm animals?

Have a blessed day :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Datroot on October 07, 2011, 09:43:23 AM
I'm sure they missed Echo Echo and went straight  from Delta Delta to Foxtrot Foxtrot.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 07, 2011, 10:37:17 AM
 /judge/ Truth be told, if there is a separation between cuhurch and state, then wy are they taking off early today tor Yom Kippur?  I didn’t know they celebrated religious holidays OMG!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 07, 2011, 01:07:05 PM
New topic - Murray leaving the hospital 2+ hours after the "death" - where are all the fans and media?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 07, 2011, 01:26:37 PM
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The doll is here:
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/c96247aa8e0075d4b31850445f9542c68b255edb634f71581d5caeccf27a54a96g.jpg)

I also made screenshots of everything else and you can see it here:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20780.0.html

Thank you. I'm trying to understand the purpose of the BABY theme in MJ's room. What could it be?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: November on October 07, 2011, 02:48:43 PM
Michael said himself that he used to carry around baby dolls because he wanted children so bad. If you listened to the tape that Murry saved on his phone you will hear that Michael only wanted to help children and since he never had much of a childhood himself, he was child like at times.
 
It does not surprise me that he had some items in his bedroom... maybe there were old items of Blankets but then, if one does not have a proper childhood, maybe these items conforted him in his private moments.
 
November
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 07, 2011, 03:23:50 PM
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Michael said himself that he used to carry around baby dolls because he wanted children so bad. If you listened to the tape that Murry saved on his phone you will hear that Michael only wanted to help children and since he never had much of a childhood himself, he was child like at times.
 
It does not surprise me that he had some items in his bedroom... maybe there were old items of Blankets but then, if one does not have a proper childhood, maybe these items conforted him in his private moments.
 
November
 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. You could be correct.

I personally don't know if this would be true any longer as he now has his children. When he used to make those comments he didn't have children. Now he has three plus those that he's raised, such as Omer.

The doll would most likely belong to Paris though. I don't know too many boys that have dolls like that. Not saying it's not Blanket's...just saying it's more likely Paris'. Remember, we saw pictures of her room in Neverland and it was filled with doll stuff.

Blessings :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on October 08, 2011, 02:10:37 PM
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MJonmind:
Good observation about the exhibit 22 online pointing to this OTHER attack by Israel on US property (besides 911)--the alarm drawing attention to this. I'd read a bit about this a while back.  But now since the MJ hoax my eyes notice the numerology there. Interesting numbers, 3+4=7,  171.  Seems these numbers aren't all connected to Michael, since we also noticed them with the Chilean minor story, and other events probably too numerous to mention.

I also find it interesting that there have been these 3 fire alarms go off, this one with Blount on the witness stand while they talk about giving MJ starter drugs and try to find a vein. Someone says , "We are having technical difficulties." "Maybe it's the projector your honor." Then the one as MJ is brought to UCLA on June25, and finally back in 93 while Oprah interviews MJ. In case someone sees any connection here's that part.

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Oprah: I have to ask you this, so many mothers in my audience have said to please ask you this question. Why do you grab your crotch?
Michael: (giggels) Why do I grab my crotch?
Oprah: You've got a thing with your crotch going on there.
Michael: I think it happens subliminally. When you're dancing, you know, you are just interpreting the music and the sounds and the accompaniment. If there's a driving base, if there's a chello, if there's a string, you become the emotion of what the sound is. So if I'm doing a movement and I go "Bam" and I grab myself it's...it's the music that compels me to do it. It's not that I'm saying that I'm dying to grab down there and it's not in a great place, you don't think about it, it just happens. Sometimes I'll look back at the footage and I go...and I go, "Did I do that?", so I'm a slave to the rhythm,...(smoke detectors go off in the house)...yeah, OK.
(commercial break - some of Michael's major achievements shown on tape) http://myhandwriting.com/news/michaeljackson/mjsource/interviews/oprahinterview2.html

About the badges, MJ's been planning this for 20 years according to TS, so here's MJ in 2003 in Gary planning for something!    /cook/

(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/11100000/-2003-Gary-Indiana-Visit-michael-jackson-11197957-950-633.jpg)

MJonmind ,you think the way I think,lol   !! And we both know that this Hoax started way BACK,many,many years ago  .It seems that Michael and THE POLICE(not the group ,lol  ),were always good"budyes" !!!!The KING is a LOVER of BADGES and SPOONS   !!!!Here are some pictures special for you,and I'm sure you understand what I mean   :) ;)   !!!


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(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kso6eeRkFN1qa26dno1_500.jpg) Is that POLICE written there?????  afraid/ geek/
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LOVE
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 09, 2011, 11:48:36 AM
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Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right

The connection between Michael and Elephants is in his book DANCING THE DREAM, it's one of his poems;
 
read carefully  :D
 
 
So the Elephants March


A curious fact about elephants is this: In order to survive, they mustn't fall down. Every other animal can stumble and get back up again. But an elephant always stands up, even to sleep. If one of the herd slips and falls, it is helpless. It lies on its side, a prisoner of its own weight. Although the other elephants will press close around it in distress and try to lift it up again, there isn't usually much they can do. With slow heaving breaths, the fallen elephant dies. The others stand vigil, then slowly move on.

This is what I learned from nature books, but I wonder if they are right. Isn't there another reason why elephants can't fall down? Perhaps they have decided not to. Not to fall down is their mission. As the wisest and most patient of the animals, they made a pact, I imagine it was eons ago, when the ice ages were ending. Moving in great herds across the face of the earth, the elephants first spied tiny men prowling the tall grasses with their flint spears.

 "What fear and anger this creature has," the elephants thought. "But he is going to inherit the earth. We are wise enough to see that. Let us set an example for him."

 Then the elephants put their grizzled heads together and pondered. What kind of example could they show to man? They could show him that their power was much greater that his, for that was certainly true. They could display their anger before him, which was terrible enough to uproot whole forests. Or they could lord it over man through fear, trampling his fields and crushing his huts.

In moments of great frustration, wild elephants will do all of these things, but as a group, putting their heads together, they decided that man would learn best from a kinder message.

"Let us show him our reverence for life," they said. And from that day on, elephants have been silent, patient, peaceful creatures. They let men ride them and harness them like slaves. They permit children to laugh at their tricks in the circus, exiled from the great African plains where they once lived as lords.

But the elephants' most important message is in their movement. For they know that to live is to move. Dawn after dawn, age after age, the herds march on, one great mass of life that never falls down, an unstoppable force of peace.

Innocent animals, they do not suspect that after all this time, they will fall from a bullet by the thousands. They will lie in the dust, mutilated by our shameless greed. The great males fall first, so that their tusks can be made into trinkets. Then the females fall, so that men may have trophies. The babies run screaming from the smell of their own mothers' blood, but it does them no good to run from the guns. Silently, with no one to nurse them, they will die, too, and all their bones bleach in the sun.

In the midst of so much death, the elephants could just give up. All they have to do is drop to the ground. That is enough. They don't need a bullet: Nature has given them the dignity to lie down and find their rest. But they remember their ancient pact and their pledge to us, which is sacred.

So the elephants march on, and every tread beats out words in the dust: "Watch, learn, love. Watch, learn, love." Can you hear them? One day in shame, the ghosts of ten thousand lords of the plains will say, "We do not hate you. Don't you see at last? We were willing to fall, so that you, dear small ones, will never fall again."
 
 - Michael Jackson
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 09, 2011, 01:13:04 PM
About Michael and his relationship to elephants:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVELsJ7WdB0[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVELsJ7WdB0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVELsJ7WdB0)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sarahli on October 09, 2011, 01:26:58 PM
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About Michael and his relationship to elephants:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVELsJ7WdB0[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVELsJ7WdB0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVELsJ7WdB0)

Thanks for sharing Grace, that's a pretty BIG gift! Michael just can't believe it.  :lol:

...............................(http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/elephant1.gif)......................................
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 09, 2011, 01:37:22 PM
Thank you for sharing this once again. The elephant is worth looking at because it has become a constant theme through these last two years.

Off topic: Michael - if you read this, you really should write children's books. You have an amazing way with words. Oh, and do your own graphics too. Your artistic skills are awesome :)

Okay, so if the elephant has meaning, (in the story it said the elephant made a pact to stand as an example of patience and wisdom and the ones that fall because of their weight usually die because they can't get back up) what is he saying by the one elephant in the courtroom that is lying down?

Clearly the bigger elephant is standing facing the courtroom, which if taken in reference to this story means that he is patiently facing adversity with wisdom and understanding even when others are making fun???

Blessings.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 09, 2011, 01:39:25 PM
Another strange thingie is the fact that the TMZ stream in comparison to the HLN stream runs the following features:

- much clearer images than HLN - more focus?
- no commercial breaks
- outside coverage of the family when leaving the courthouse
- several minutes of retardation vs. HLN

Interesting that HLN claims to be "live" streaming.
All reporters are hanging around in the same 12th floor - presumably using the same cable connectors to get the stream from downstairs (or elsewhere).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUvkk9CnSwU[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUvkk9CnSwU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUvkk9CnSwU)

If you look really close, there are a lot of different scenes on the laptops - meaning that there are different sequences being broadcasted - not only one stream.

Is HLN using much older, outdated, inefficient technique for distribution compared to TMZ?
I wouldn't think of this possibility. Both belong to CNN.

So is HLN meant to be the blurrier distributor for the deaf and sleeping masses and TMZ the sharp one for the few awake? Provoking if yes.

Now why is TMZ not claiming to be "live-streaming" and is some minutes late?
Are they the originators of the stream and want to make sure everybody has it before they themselves go distribute it?
I really have no idea. I just noticed this:
TMZ on the left, HLN on the right side.
TMZ giving the full picture, HLN cutting half of it off with comments and other "news".


Could it be that TMZ are the spoonfeeders once again, sitting comfortably on their easter egg and sharing only what they want to / are told to with other channels?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: looking4truth on October 09, 2011, 02:00:32 PM
Hey applehead250609,

After viewing all the photos of MJ with the police from all over the world, I wonder if the man we never knew is someone who was working undercover for a big sting or someone who is a FBI agent in some secret section. I know other people have questioned this before. It would make sense then how he would be able to pull it off. I also know LaToya is a police officer from that reality show she did and she even said that she sometimes goes back and do her police duties from time to time so if LaToya can be a police officer, then MJ could be a part of the police too or even the FBI perhaps. I also remember reading that Michael was working undercover to catch REAL child molesters in the entertainment industry but I am not sure how true that is at all. IF it is true, then it would make a lot of sense why certain people would want to stop that and turn the tables and make him out to be a child molester because they do not want to be exposed. Anyway, I'm just throwing ideas out there.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: looking4truth on October 09, 2011, 02:11:47 PM
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Thank you for sharing this once again. The elephant is worth looking at because it has become a constant theme through these last two years.

Off topic: Michael - if you read this, you really should write children's books. You have an amazing way with words. Oh, and do your own graphics too. Your artistic skills are awesome :)

Okay, so if the elephant has meaning, (in the story it said the elephant made a pact to stand as an example of patience and wisdom and the ones that fall because of their weight usually die because they can't get back up) what is he saying by the one elephant in the courtroom that is lying down?

Clearly the bigger elephant is standing facing the courtroom, which if taken in reference to this story means that he is patiently facing adversity with wisdom and understanding even when others are making fun???

Blessings.

Sorry if I am repeating but was the story of the Elephant Man mentioned? I know Michael featured the Elephant Man in the Leave Me Alone video, which was again, during the Bad era. Here's a summary of the movie plot:

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Frederick Treves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Frederick_Treves,_1st_Baronet) (Anthony Hopkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Hopkins)), a surgeon at the London Hospital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_London_Hospital), discovers John Merrick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Merrick) (John Hurt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hurt)) in a Victorian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era) freak show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freak_show) in London's East End (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_End), where he is managed by the brutish Bytes (Freddie Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Jones)). Merrick is so deformed that he must wear a hood and cap when in public, and Bytes claims he is an imbecile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbecile). Treves is professionally intrigued by Merrick's condition and pays Bytes to bring him to the Hospital so that he can examine him. There, Treves presents Merrick to his colleagues in a lecture theatre, displaying him as a physiological curiosity. Treves draws attention to Merrick's most life-threatening deformity, his oversized skull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skull), which compels him to sleep with his head resting upon his knees, as the weight of his skull would asphyxiate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphyxiation) him if he were to ever lie down. On Merrick's return, Bytes beats him so severely that a sympathetic apprentice (Dexter Fletcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_Fletcher)) alerts Treves, who returns him to the hospital. Bytes accuses Treves of likewise exploiting Merrick for his own ends, leading the surgeon to resolve to do what he can to help the unfortunate man.
The ward nurses are horrified by Merrick's appearance, so Treves places him in a quarantine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine) room under the watchful care of the formidable matron, Mrs. Mothershead (Wendy Hiller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Hiller)). Mr. Carr Gomm (John Gielgud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gielgud)), the hospital's Governor, is reluctant to house Merrick (who has thus far remained mute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muteness)), as the hospital is not designed as a residence for "incurables". To persuade Carr Gomm that Merrick has potential, Treves coaches him to recite a few polite phrases. Carr Gomm sees through the ruse, but as he walks away, both men are astonished to hear Merrick recite the 23rd Psalm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_23). Shocked by this display of intelligence, Carr Gomm allows Merrick to remain.
Merrick is gradually revealed to be sophisticated and articulate. Gomm arranges a suite of rooms for him to reside in at the hospital, and Merrick passes his days reading, drawing and making a model of a church visible through his window. One day, Treves brings him to take afternoon tea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afternoon_tea) at home together with his wife, Ann (Hannah Gordon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Gordon)). Merrick, overwhelmed by the familial love he perceives in the domesticity about him, shows them his most treasured possession, a picture of his mother, and expresses his wish that she would love him if she could only see what "lovely friends" he now has. Later, Merrick begins to receive society visitors in his rooms, including the celebrated actress Madge Kendal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madge_Kendal) (Anne Bancroft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Bancroft)). He becomes a popular object of curiosity and charity to high society. As these connections and visits increase, Mrs. Mothershead (who has charge of Merrick's daily care) complains to Treves that he is still being treated as a freak show attraction, albeit in a more upper class, celebrated style. For Treves' part, this observation (and his role in this situation) deeply trouble him, and he begins to question whether or not he has done the right thing. And while Merrick is treated well during the daytime, the Night Porter (Michael Elphick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Elphick)) secretly makes money by bringing punters from nearby pubs to gawp at Merrick.
Threatened dissent at a board meeting toward the decision to keep Merrick indefinitely is overturned when the hospital's Royal Patron — HRH The Princess of Wales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_of_Denmark) — pays a surprise visit with a message from Queen Victoria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria), stating that Merrick will receive permanent care at the hospital and the necessary funds have been arranged. But Merrick is then returned to his old life when Bytes gains access to his room during one of the Night Porter's late-night "viewings". Bytes abducts Merrick to continental Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe), where he is once again put on show and subjected to cruelty and neglect. Treves, consumed with guilt over Merrick's plight, takes action against the night porter with the help of Mrs. Mothershead.
Merrick escapes with the help of his fellow freak show attractions, and makes it back to London. However, he is harassed by a group of boys at Liverpool Street station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Street_station), and accidentally knocks down a young girl. He is chased, unmasked, and cornered by an angry mob, at which point he cries out: "I am not an elephant! I am not an animal! I am a human being! I ... am ... a ... man!", before collapsing. When the police return Merrick to the hospital, he is reinstated to his rooms. He recovers a little but it is soon clear he is dying from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_obstructive_pulmonary_disease). As a treat, Mrs. Kendal arranges an evening at the musical theatre. Resplendent in white tie, he rises in the Royal Box to an ovation, having had the performance dedicated to him from Mrs Kendal. That night, back at the hospital, Merrick thanks Treves for all he has done and finishes his model of the nearby church. Imitating one of his sketches on the wall—a sleeping child—he removes the pillows that have allowed him to sleep in an upright position, lies down on his bed and dies, consoled by a vision of his mother, Mary Jane Merrick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Jane_Merrick), quoting Alfred Lord Tennyson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Lord_Tennyson)'s "Nothing will Die (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nothing_will_Die&action=edit&redlink=1)".
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elephant_Man_%28film%29

Here is a snippet of an interview where he talks about the Elephant Man:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nncMCgTb7Kk[/youtube]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on October 09, 2011, 02:49:28 PM
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Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right

The connection between Michael and Elephants is in his book DANCING THE DREAM, it's one of his poems;
 
read carefully  :D
 
 
So the Elephants March


A curious fact about elephants is this: In order to survive, they mustn't fall down. Every other animal can stumble and get back up again. But an elephant always stands up, even to sleep. If one of the herd slips and falls, it is helpless. It lies on its side, a prisoner of its own weight. Although the other elephants will press close around it in distress and try to lift it up again, there isn't usually much they can do. With slow heaving breaths, the fallen elephant dies. The others stand vigil, then slowly move on.

This is what I learned from nature books, but I wonder if they are right. Isn't there another reason why elephants can't fall down? Perhaps they have decided not to. Not to fall down is their mission. As the wisest and most patient of the animals, they made a pact, I imagine it was eons ago, when the ice ages were ending. Moving in great herds across the face of the earth, the elephants first spied tiny men prowling the tall grasses with their flint spears.

 "What fear and anger this creature has," the elephants thought. "But he is going to inherit the earth. We are wise enough to see that. Let us set an example for him."

 Then the elephants put their grizzled heads together and pondered. What kind of example could they show to man? They could show him that their power was much greater that his, for that was certainly true. They could display their anger before him, which was terrible enough to uproot whole forests. Or they could lord it over man through fear, trampling his fields and crushing his huts.

In moments of great frustration, wild elephants will do all of these things, but as a group, putting their heads together, they decided that man would learn best from a kinder message.

"Let us show him our reverence for life," they said. And from that day on, elephants have been silent, patient, peaceful creatures. They let men ride them and harness them like slaves. They permit children to laugh at their tricks in the circus, exiled from the great African plains where they once lived as lords.

But the elephants' most important message is in their movement. For they know that to live is to move. Dawn after dawn, age after age, the herds march on, one great mass of life that never falls down, an unstoppable force of peace.

Innocent animals, they do not suspect that after all this time, they will fall from a bullet by the thousands. They will lie in the dust, mutilated by our shameless greed. The great males fall first, so that their tusks can be made into trinkets. Then the females fall, so that men may have trophies. The babies run screaming from the smell of their own mothers' blood, but it does them no good to run from the guns. Silently, with no one to nurse them, they will die, too, and all their bones bleach in the sun.

In the midst of so much death, the elephants could just give up. All they have to do is drop to the ground. That is enough. They don't need a bullet: Nature has given them the dignity to lie down and find their rest. But they remember their ancient pact and their pledge to us, which is sacred.

So the elephants march on, and every tread beats out words in the dust: "Watch, learn, love. Watch, learn, love." Can you hear them? One day in shame, the ghosts of ten thousand lords of the plains will say, "We do not hate you. Don't you see at last? We were willing to fall, so that you, dear small ones, will never fall again."
 
 - Michael Jackson

 /bravo/ Snoopy71,Grace,Looking4truth,Voiceforthesilent,Sarahli ,wow you all are awesome!!!What a great investigators are here on this forum  respect/!!!The connection are many,are everywere,in songs,poems,videos,photos and court also.Michael LOVES elephants very much ,you can see that  :-*.Much LOVE to all!!!

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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on October 09, 2011, 03:15:01 PM
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Hey applehead250609,

After viewing all the photos of MJ with the police from all over the world, I wonder if the man we never knew is someone who was working undercover for a big sting or someone who is a FBI agent in some secret section. I know other people have questioned this before. It would make sense then how he would be able to pull it off. I also know LaToya is a police officer from that reality show she did and she even said that she sometimes goes back and do her police duties from time to time so if LaToya can be a police officer, then MJ could be a part of the police too or even the FBI perhaps. I also remember reading that Michael was working undercover to catch REAL child molesters in the entertainment industry but I am not sure how true that is at all. IF it is true, then it would make a lot of sense why certain people would want to stop that and turn the tables and make him out to be a child molester because they do not want to be exposed. Anyway, I'm just throwing ideas out there.

Looking4truth thank you for your observation.I think the same like you.I have this feeling for a long time now.For pulling such a BIG HOAX ,Michael needs to have some connection,don't you agree??You know some KEY people in KEY places.Who knows,maybe he is A POWERFULL man ,and when I say powerfull ,that's in any way you want.I always wondered myself how come he has so many police and guards around him.He is better guarded than,the PRESIDENT OBAMA HIMSELF  afraid/.The first time I saw this videos I was like  OMG! WTF??!!!!Is this real?????
If this is real than the BIG question is how powerfull MICHAEL is????? :mrgreen:


Michael Jackson in Korea 1999
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0V3d8M5Q5w&feature=related[/youtube]

Michael Jackson visit in Korea, Seoul 1999
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okDbjldGSKc[/youtube]

LOVE
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 09, 2011, 03:44:54 PM
Applehead...I think Michael is more powerful than most people realize. His friends are world leaders...not just one or two but several. one of his Japanese friends who is also a powerful man in his own right said as much in a fascinating interview.

On to the trial....I read a comment on youtube that sent me in search of an article (I have yet to find it). In the search I found this article from April 22, 2011 where it talks about the death pics. We've already seen one (fake) but according to this there will be another one. I don't want us to lose hope when we see it so let's focus on the inconsistencies just like we did the gurney picture.

Blessings :)

http://www.digitalspy.com/celebrity/news/a315959/michael-jackson-death-pics-used-in-murray-trial.html

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Michael Jackson death pics used in Murray trial Published Friday, Apr 22 2011, 8:01am EDT | By Rebecca Davies (http://www.digitalspy.com/team/rebecca-davies/) | 10 comments (http://www.digitalspy.com/celebrity/news/a315959/michael-jackson-death-pics-used-in-murray-trial.html#yourviews)       (http://i1.cdnds.net/11/29/emaillogo.png) (http://i1.cdnds.net/10/46/M/showbiz_main_michael_jackson_generic.jpg)© Rex Features / Startraks Photo Photographs of Michael Jackson (http://www.digitalspy.com/celebrities/michael-jackson/)'s dead body will be shown in court.

A judge ruled that the two images, which were taken at the late singer's autopsy, can be used by prosecutors as evidence in the involuntary manslaughter trial of his doctor Conrad Murray (http://www.digitalspy.com/celebrities/conrad-murray/).

According to TMZ, one of the images shows Jackson fully clothed and laid out on a gurney, while the other shows his naked body. The judge said that "certain parts" will be "blocked out" when the pictures are presented in court.

He insisted that the photos are relevant to the case and are "not gruesome, graphic or inflammatory".

Earlier this month, Murray's defence attorney Edward Chernoff described Jackson as a "desperate man" (http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a313305/michael-jackson-committed-suicide-says-lawyer.html) and claimed that he was so worried over his financial situation that he committed suicide.

Murray has always maintained that he is "an innocent man" (http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a300179/jackson-doctor-i-am-an-innocent-man.html), but he could serve up to four years in prison if found guilty.

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 10, 2011, 12:19:58 AM
Okay, so there is no press actually IN the courtroom? So who are in the courtroom? Defense, prosecution, jury, judge, witnesses and Jacksons only? In that case it could very well be pre-recorded, which would explain why I see cuts in the footage sometimes.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 10, 2011, 12:38:13 AM
No reporters in the courtroom? CNN reporters comment everyday on what's going on inside.  How they sit behind the Jackson family and their reactions to things.  Are they all in on it?
One thing I need to ask... when the defence cross-examined the toxicologist, did I hear him agree that the Propofol levels in MJ's body were in therapeutic range? How can they say he died from acute Propofol intoxication if it was in therapeutic range?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 10, 2011, 02:06:33 AM
I think the trial is LIVE because on the day the judge said that it was raining in LA, it really was.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: curls on October 10, 2011, 02:28:53 AM
Sorry, I've not been around much this weekend - when/where did 'no media in the courtroom' come to light?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 10, 2011, 08:03:34 AM
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Okay, so there is no press actually IN the courtroom? So who are in the courtroom? Defense, prosecution, jury, judge, witnesses and Jacksons only? In that case it could very well be pre-recorded, which would explain why I see cuts in the footage sometimes.

Actually they are filming from the jury box if I understand the room right.
That wall is the only possible position where they can place cameras getting both the scenes with the witnesses and Doc Murray / the lawyers (faces) without showing the public and / or the jury.

There are at least two cameras filming.
I wonder how big the tech equipment is (remembering the small camera Michael loved to discover when being in the studio with Will.i.am in Ireland in Nov 2006).
http://www.accesshollywood.com/twitter/_video_1130276 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/twitter/_video_1130276)

If the cameras have that size, they are pretty "handy" and may serve well in that courtroom while the jury is present.
If they are larger, the jury most likely will have some issues in following the trial / evidences without any optical disturbances.

So to make it a movie:
- small cameras with jury in the box;
- large cameras without a jury (that would make it also plausible why we don't hear any aa, aha, rrrrrhmmmmm, cough, clearing of a throat from the backside);
in both cases: prerecording feasible.


I do NOT count on CNN as real reporters for three reasons:
- LKL with Dave Dave - he would have known instantly
- LKL online blog was VERY favourable to a person posting as Michael (deleting fakers' entries upon request)
- TMZ as well as HLN belong to CNN - both are playing their roles in publishing what needs to be published regarding this journey.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: underthemoon on October 10, 2011, 09:23:24 AM
I found this here...no press inside the courtroom. The courtroom is on the 9Th floor, the press on the 12 th floor, the only floor where pics and filming is allowed.
That means they could have always filmed it all and send it at that day to the waiting press....so little actuall little thinks like the weather, that give it a live touch could they put in...that's not the problem and ...rearly, why mentioned a judge a little rain ???? only when it will make this all a live illusion... /toldya/
 
Here is the link :
http://courtsandmedia.org/articles/murraytrialweekone/ (http://courtsandmedia.org/articles/murraytrialweekone/)
 
Blessings !
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 10, 2011, 09:50:42 AM
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I found this here...no press inside the courtroom. The courtroom is on the 9Th floor, the press on the 12 th floor, the only floor where pics and filming is allowed.
That means they could have always filmed it all and send it at that day to the waiting press....so little actuall little thinks like the weather, that give it a live touch could they put in...that's not the problem and ...rearly, why mentioned a judge a little rain ???? only when it will make this all a live illusion... /toldya/
 
Here is the link :
http://courtsandmedia.org/articles/murraytrialweekone/ (http://courtsandmedia.org/articles/murraytrialweekone/)
 
Blessings !
 

This just keeps getting better and better. If there are no press inside of the courtroom, there has to be camera's in the courtroom in order to film what is going on. Who is manning those cameras?

Thanks for finding this, and thanks Grace for you continued excellent posts.

9+12=21 (777)

Blessings :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 10, 2011, 10:32:23 AM
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I found this here...no press inside the courtroom. The courtroom is on the 9Th floor, the press on the 12 th floor, the only floor where pics and filming is allowed.
That means they could have always filmed it all and send it at that day to the waiting press....so little actuall little thinks like the weather, that give it a live touch could they put in...that's not the problem and ...rearly, why mentioned a judge a little rain ???? only when it will make this all a live illusion... /toldya/
 
Here is the link :
http://courtsandmedia.org/articles/murraytrialweekone/ (http://courtsandmedia.org/articles/murraytrialweekone/)
 
Blessings !
 

Thank you for this additional source.
It is remarkable that what they are saying may 100% be taken as a pure ironic statement.

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“I believe in transparency,” said CNN Anchor Don Lemon. “I think that’s what America is all about.  Americans should be in on the process,” Lemon said. “Visual media is part of the media. It helps when people see how the process works. Without transparency, there is room to conceal things,” he said.Ethan Smith, a senior special writer with the Wall Street Journal’s Los Angeles bureau, was in court every day during week one. “We have to be the eyes and ears of the people to keep the process accountable,” Smith said.  The television coverage, ironically, keeps the press more accountable. “It turns the mirror back on us and keeps us accountable even as we are keeping the courts accountable,” Smith said. Each day, I lined up with Smith, Lemon, Seib and dozens of others to wait for deputies to waive us into the courtroom.  You were on time, through two security checks, wearing your press badge, or you didn’t get in the courtroom.  Court public information officer Mary Hearn, working with her staff and court deputies, ensured that no pictures were taken on the ninth floor, cleared the hallway of press as trial participants walked in each day, and generally kept order. That’s why if Murray is convicted, his chances of arguing that the press ruined his case appear to be nil, as was the case when disgraced Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling made that failed argument in a case that reached the Supreme Court in 2010.Has the argument ever worked? Well, yes.The seminal example of a defendant successfully arguing that the press violated his Sixth Amendment rights came in the 1966 U.S. Supreme Court case Sheppard v. Maxwell. In Sheppard the U.S. Supreme Court said that the trial judge and the press allowed a “Roman circus” atmosphere to prevail.Dr. Sam Shepherd, convicted of killing his pregnant wife, was granted a new trial as a result and eventually walked away a free man. The Shepherd case is widely believed to be the inspiration for the Harrison Ford film “The Fugitive.”
But getting back to “these arts” and their evolution, it is remarkable that so many broadcasters—all local Los Angeles television stations, plus AP Broadcast, Reuters, Univision, MetroNetworks, CBS Radio, Fox Radio News, UniSat, CNN/HLN and a host of others—are all able to transmit the trial without creating the same circus atmosphere that soiled Shepherd v. Maxwell. They do it with three quiet video cameras and a single coordinator. They do it with cooperation between the courts and the media.

 smiley_spider /cook/ afraid/


The circus is being operated now by somebody in control.


This is potential for a:


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Did you smile today?
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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 10, 2011, 12:20:19 PM
Another oddity is this.

ktla published on their blog the following information:

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Anesthesiologist Puts Focus on Safety at Conrad Murray Trial
11:10 AM  September 28, 2011


(http://blogs.ktla.com/.a/6a00d8341c0d2753ef014e8be23b01970d-700wi)

One of the stranger sights you'll see outside the Conrad Murray trial is a guy wearing surgical scrubs and a doctor's white coat.   He's got an IV drip attached to a bag of white liquid, just like you'd see in a hospital. That guy is Newport Beach anesthesiologist Dr. Barry Friedberg, who's written a book on anesthesia safety called "Getting Over Going Under".
Friedberg has real propofol to show you... It's the white liquid in the IV.  He's also got bottles of the drug.
Propofol is the powerful anesthetic that Michael Jackson used to refer to as his "milk."
Friedberg says hospital patients need to ask tougher questions to their anesthesiologists.

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/df91bd3c-af55-433f-a8c8-da974fded89d/News/KTLA-Anesthesiologist-Brings-Propofol-to-Conrad-Murray-Trial (http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/df91bd3c-af55-433f-a8c8-da974fded89d/News/KTLA-Anesthesiologist-Brings-Propofol-to-Conrad-Murray-Trial)


This is falsifying facts?
Dr. Friedberg was outside the courthouse on occasion of the hearing on January 4, 2011.
Anybody saw him later than this date?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: katooooooo on October 11, 2011, 10:43:22 AM
I don't know if somebody talked about Alvarez phone record...But i had some time to spend (YESS!!) and i look at it a little and it doesn't match!

12:17 Pm Michael Amir William call Alvarez  21 seconds
12:17 Pm Michael Amir William call Alvarez 20 seconds
12:18 PM Alvarez call Michael Amir William 6 seconds
12:18 Pm Alvarez call Michael Amir William 5 seconds
12:18 Pm Alvarez call Michael Amir William 88 seconds
12:18 Pm Alvarez call Michael Amir William 0 seconds
12: 20 Pm Alvarez call 911 163 seconds

Ok but for 12:18:
Assuming that the call start at 12:18:00

12:18:00 Alvarez call Michael Amir William 6 seconds
12:18:06 (if he dial reeeeeeeeeeally fast) Alvarez call Michael Amir William 5 seconds
12:18:11 (again with a dial speed :lol:)Alvarez call Michael Amir William 88 seconds
So it made the call end at 12:19:21...in my world a minute is 60 seconds right??
HOW Alvarez could have made another call after that ''long'' one to Michael Amir William for 0 second at 12:18??????
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 11, 2011, 01:46:24 PM
The photos of August 25, 2009:


Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 11, 2011, 02:53:57 PM
Katooooooo - thank you for sharing this with us. It will be interesting to see if those who are number minded connect any dots with this info.

Grace...thanks for the photo...I am glad I found the information stating there would be a picture shown. It was much less shocking when it happened today.

Okay - this is definitely not the same body as the EMT's described they found. This is not the body of someone who has Vitiligo. This is not someone who is "frail" as has been pointed out several times by people "close to MJ". Some on Twitter say the belly button does not match (where is it, by the way). I don't think the shoulder's are broad enough. From first glance the hair doesn't match. In my humble opinion, this is not Michael. Thank God!

For those of you who might become shaky looking at the picture, hugs to you.

Blessings.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 11, 2011, 02:58:18 PM
And....doesn't it seem odd that the fingernails are not showing? Perhaps because that would be a give away? And why cover the other arm? Wouldn't they want the whole body showing?

The wrong date? Give me a break...every person has had problems with their story.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJonmind on October 11, 2011, 03:39:38 PM
It seems like every video I see outside the courtroom, the MJ supporters keep up a steady stream of "Justice for Michael!".  It drives me crazy just hearing that for a minute, how can they tolerate hours of that every day? Is it meant to demoralize and intimidate, influence the jury somehow? I don't get it. :?

How can this Deputee Medical examiner say this is the MJ autopsy photo with a straight face, when it is obvious it is a different person that the hospital photo. One has curly hair with curved eyebrows, and the other straight hair with smaller straight eyebrows.

Plus dated Aug. 25, and no belly button like Adam, first man created by God out of dust. Adam is compared to the Christ in the Bible, but Jesus would have had one--being born of Mary.
"“For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. . . . The first man Adam became a living being, the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.” (1 Corinthians 15:21–22; 15:45–47).

There is also a yellow oval circle over the whole abdomen area. :? Why in both photos are the sheets so crumpled, so unprofessional, disrespectful and messy?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: pepper on October 11, 2011, 05:00:49 PM
So, some interesting things have happened in history on August 25...

http://www.brainyhistory.com/days/august_25.html
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on October 11, 2011, 05:14:58 PM
Thank you pepper, that's what jumps into my eyes:
the same day the U.S. deficit reach highest ever level, Ben Bernanke is getting reaffirmed in his job.
http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php (http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 11, 2011, 05:30:29 PM
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And....doesn't it seem odd that the fingernails are not showing? Perhaps because that would be a give away? And why cover the other arm? Wouldn't they want the whole body showing?

The wrong date? Give me a break...every person has had problems with their story.

That's where I was going to check out. Hands and fingernails. But we can not see the fingers and nails. And why would there be a wrong date on it?  geek/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 11, 2011, 06:34:48 PM
Wish we could see what was on that ID tag... :|
 

2+0+0+9+0+4+4+1+5=25...2+5=7 :D
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Andrea on October 11, 2011, 06:38:37 PM
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Thank you pepper, that's what jumps into my eyes:
the same day the U.S. deficit reach highest ever level, Ben Bernanke is getting reaffirmed in his job.
  • August 25, 2009 The United States budget deficit for 2009 will reach $1.6 trillion, the highest ever recorded.
  • August 25, 2009 U.S. President Barack Obama nominates Ben Bernanke for his second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php (http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php)

Huh.  That's very interesting.  I wonder if our attention was supposed to be drawn to that particular date for those reasons...
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 11, 2011, 08:54:43 PM
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Wish we could see what was on that ID tag... :|
 

2+0+0+9+0+4+4+1+5=25...2+5=7 :D

I tried my hardest to blow up the picture large enough to see the name or information on that tag but it all seems to be blurry. Unless someone can get a legible name from their efforts, my opinion is that the name is blurred out...most likely on purpose so that inquiring minds won't find out it's not Michael.

Blessings :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 12, 2011, 12:44:29 AM
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Thank you pepper, that's what jumps into my eyes:
the same day the U.S. deficit reach highest ever level, Ben Bernanke is getting reaffirmed in his job.
  • August 25, 2009 The United States budget deficit for 2009 will reach $1.6 trillion, the highest ever recorded.
  • August 25, 2009 U.S. President Barack Obama nominates Ben Bernanke for his second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php (http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php)

I find this very interesting considering the Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency.
On a s**ty note - we hear so much pee talk in court but nada on da poop. Not to be gross but there is no mention of any testing. Surely there would be some fecal matter, especially if he had 3 jars of pee in him.  Is MJ too shy to add in this detail?
Anyway, according to Henry C. Lee, forensics expert who assisted law enforcement in over 6, 000 major criminal crime investigations, including O. J. Simpson, states an analysis is done on the properties and effects of serums (blood, semen, saliva, swear, fecal matter), this is called serology. I need to have another look through the bogus AR to see what's listed under this section.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 12, 2011, 12:54:20 AM
Someone pointed this video out: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX6ZU51LAiY&feature=related[/youtube]

Go to 2:38. Video was uploaded on Jan 12, 2010.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: underthemoon on October 12, 2011, 02:29:21 AM
..
 
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: alfarle on October 12, 2011, 04:55:25 AM
Here's an interesting video posted from pearl jr just a couple of hrs ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th-XXcdZSQM&feature=colike
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 12, 2011, 07:40:19 AM
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Wish we could see what was on that ID tag... :|
 

2+0+0+9+0+4+4+1+5=25...2+5=7 :D

I tried my hardest to blow up the picture large enough to see the name or information on that tag but it all seems to be blurry. Unless someone can get a legible name from their efforts, my opinion is that the name is blurred out...most likely on purpose so that inquiring minds won't find out it's not Michael.

Blessings :)

No worries, thanks for trying!  ;)  Things have a way of "popping up" when you think about them hard enough...something tells me we'll find out about the information on the ID tag eventually...just have to wait and watch.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 12, 2011, 07:57:33 AM
Christopher Rogers....( Michael? Prince? or a "real person")
 
I didn't know if this should be a new thread topic or not...so I'll mention it here ;)
 
It came up in chat that some people felt the witness Christopher Rogers could have been Michael or perhaps even Prince in disguise. Some people even felt that his movements, hands, speech etc...were like that of Michaels, or possibly Prince.

At first I dismissed it as too far fetched until I saw the photo of Michael in Jermaine's book "You are not alone" disguised as "Uncle Willy" (I personally never would have known it was MJ!). And we know Michael has had a history of being in disguises.

Here's the picture of Michael as "Uncle Willy" that I am referring to...and one of Christopher Rogers. 

Anyone else think this is possible or is this a dead end pursuit?
 
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 12, 2011, 09:26:51 AM
Hi Snoopy...I followed that discussion yesterday too but I don't participate because I'm working during the time of the trial.  I was like you - at first I thought it was a little silly. We've seen Michael in several people and they can't all be Michael...or can they? Probably not. LOL.

But you and others are right - there is something off about this person. He makes you stop and take notice of him.

I remember watching a video online of a musician (can't remember who) who was going to meet Michael for the first time and he waited in the studio excitedly. He said after a few minutes an older white gentleman came in and went to the bathroom. He didn't think anything of it but when the person came out it was Michael. This person was amazed because he didn't know it was Michael in disguise. So, if he can be that convincing in person think about how convincing he can be on camera.

Personally, there were more than one occasions where this person (Christopher Rogers) made comments and because I was mostly listening and not watching, I thought he sounded a lot like the slowed down version of Michael's "drugged up" recording from last week. It made me smile anyway.

Let's see what today brings. I'm sure we're in for some surprises.

Blessings :)

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 12, 2011, 11:55:19 AM
My...how informative was Mr. Cardiologist today!  Actor?  And did the guard behind the attorney have a flashlight between his legs?  Wot Wot!
 lolol/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Datroot on October 12, 2011, 02:20:57 PM
Looks like MJ is holding something - why would a dead body on a slab be holding  something?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 12, 2011, 02:30:25 PM
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Christopher Rogers....( Michael? Prince? or a "real person")
 
I didn't know if this should be a new thread topic or not...so I'll mention it here ;)
 
It came up in chat that some people felt the witness Christopher Rogers could have been Michael or perhaps even Prince in disguise. Some people even felt that his movements, hands, speech etc...were like that of Michaels, or possibly Prince.

At first I dismissed it as too far fetched until I saw the photo of Michael in Jermaine's book "You are not alone" disguised as "Uncle Willy" (I personally never would have known it was MJ!). And we know Michael has had a history of being in disguises.

Here's the picture of Michael as "Uncle Willy" that I am referring to...and one of Christopher Rogers. 

Anyone else think this is possible or is this a dead end pursuit?
 
 
Anything is possible in this case! I’ve been looking at hands, eyes and mannerisms since this trial began. This coroner/witness in particular was off the charts on the weirdness scale. He reminded me of  Peter Falk in Columbo, fumbling, confused, can’t get his words out, etc. Was MJ a Columbo fan?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 12, 2011, 04:53:14 PM
The only possible disguise that Michael was into could be Dave Dave. I do not believe the rest. And personally I believe that Michael would prefer to stay BEHIND the camera as he is the director of the show. ;) But to have fun, maybe he could disguise himself once or twice but he can not be disguised all the time around. He would prefer to watch his show and direct it instead of getting in front of the camera and act in it. That could be done for a short period of time but not always.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: _Anna_ on October 12, 2011, 04:57:03 PM
someone here said that LIVE streamings from inside the court are allowed only to InSession and that for OJ Simpson the InSession sign appeared on the transmission. I don't see InSession in any of the live streamings of his trial, nor on any other trial streaming on InSession site.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldZ-Fv0uhxQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: crazymadam on October 12, 2011, 06:30:03 PM
Do you guys really think Michael is still alive as the trial goes on?
 
I've been a member of this forum for a while now, and read all there is, but really now?  WTF??
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 12, 2011, 07:32:32 PM
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Thank you pepper, that's what jumps into my eyes:
the same day the U.S. deficit reach highest ever level, Ben Bernanke is getting reaffirmed in his job.
 
  • August 25, 2009 The United States budget deficit for 2009 will reach $1.6 trillion, the highest ever recorded.
  • August 25, 2009 U.S. President Barack Obama nominates Ben Bernanke for his second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php (http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php)

I find this very interesting considering the Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency.
On a s**ty note - we hear so much pee talk in court but nada on da poop. Not to be gross but there is no mention of any testing. Surely there would be some fecal matter, especially if he had 3 jars of pee in him.  Is MJ too shy to add in this detail?
Anyway, according to Henry C. Lee, forensics expert who assisted law enforcement in over 6, 000 major criminal crime investigations, including O. J. Simpson, states an analysis is done on the properties and effects of serums (blood, semen, saliva, swear, fecal matter), this is called serology. I need to have another look through the bogus AR to see what's listed under this section.

 
 
 
 
Quote
   pariisjaxn (http://yfrog.com/user/pariisjaxn/profile) 26 mins 13 secs ago Twitter (http://twitter.com/)  Full Moon Tonight!! Me And My Pack Of Unicorns Will Go Galloping Tonight. yfrog.com/h3my0lbj (http://yfrog.com/h3my0lbj)
 

 
 
 
  The Great Moon HoaxDuring the final week of August 1835, a long article appeared in serial form on the front page of the New York Sun. It bore the headline:

 
 
GREAT ASTRONOMICAL DISCOVERIES
LATELY MADE
BY SIR JOHN HERSCHEL, L.L.D. F.R.S. &c.
At the Cape of Good Hope
[From Supplement to the Edinburgh Journal of Science]
 
GREAT ASTRONOMICAL DISCOVERIES
LATELY MADE
BY SIR JOHN HERSCHEL, L.L.D. F.R.S. &c.
At the Cape of Good Hope
[From Supplement to the Edinburgh Journal of Science]
(http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/images/herschel2.jpg)
Sir John Herschel (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/herschel.html) The article began by triumphantly listing a series of stunning astronomical breakthroughs that the famous British astronomer, Sir John Herschel (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/herschel.html), had apparently made "by means of a telescope of vast dimensions and an entirely new principle." Herschel, the article declared, had established a "new theory of cometary phenomena"; he had discovered planets in other solar systems; and he had "solved or corrected nearly every leading problem of mathematical astronomy." Then, almost as if it were an afterthought, the article revealed Herschel's final, stunning achievement: he had discovered life on the moon!


The article continued on and offered an elaborate account of the fantastic sights viewed by Herschel during his telescopic observation of the moon. It described a lunar topography that included vast forests, inland seas, and lilac-hued quartz pyramids. Readers learned that herds of bison (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/bison.html) wandered across the plains of the moon; that blue unicorns perched on its hilltops; and that spherical, amphibious creatures rolled across its beaches. The highpoint of the narrative came when it revealed that Herschel had found evidence of intelligent life on the moon: he had discovered both a primitive tribe of hut-dwelling, fire-wielding biped beavers (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/beavers.html), and a race of winged humans living in pastoral harmony around a mysterious, golden-roofed temple. Herschel dubbed these latter creatures the Vespertilio-homo, (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/manbat.html) or "man-bat".

The article, of course, was an elaborate hoax. Herschel had not really observed life on the moon, nor had he accomplished any of the other astronomical breakthroughs credited to him in the article. In fact, Herschel was not even aware until much later that such discoveries had been attributed to him. However, the New York Sun managed to sell thousands of copies of the article before the public realized that it had been hoaxed
 
Although the Sun managed to sell many copies of the moon hoax, it is not clear whether people at the time actually believed the story, or simply found it to be an entertaining topic of debate. Various eyewitnesses to the hoax assure us that the credulity was general. For instance, one reporter, writing 18 years after the event, recalled how the hoax was received at Yale College:

Yale College was alive with staunch supporters. The literati—students and professors, doctors in divinity and law—and all the rest of the reading community, looked daily for the arrival of the New York mail with unexampled avidity and implicit faith. Have you seen the accounts of Sir John Herschel's wonderful discoveries? Have you read the Sun? Have you heard the news of the man in the Moon? These were the questions that met you every where. It was the absorbing topic of the day. Nobody expressed or entertained a doubt as to the truth of the story.

However, many discussions of the hoax that appeared in papers at the time of its first publication were openly skeptical of it. For instance, on August 29, 1835 the New York Commercial Advertiser had this to say about the hoax:

It is well done, and makes a pleasant piece of reading enough, especially for such as have a sufficient stock of available credulity; but we can hardly understand how any man of common sense should read it without at once perceiving the deception. Without referring to the monstrosities of the story itself, can any one suppose for a moment that such preparations as are described, should have been made without a word of notice in the english papers? Preparations going on for years—an object of glass of twenty-four feet in diameter—a donation of ten thousand pounds by the king—consultations with Sir David Brewster—and other extravagancies not less preposterous
 
Authorship of the hoax is usually attributed to Richard Adams Locke (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/locke.html), a Cambridge-educated reporter who was working for the Sun. However, Locke never publicly admitted to being the author of the hoax, and rumors have persisted that others were also involved in the production of the story. Two men in particular have been mentioned in connection with the hoax: Jean-Nicolas Nicollet, a French astronomer who was travelling through America at the time (though he was in Mississippi, not New York, when the moon hoax appeared), and Lewis Gaylord Clark, editor of the Knickerbocker Magazine. However, there is no real evidence to suggest that anyone but Locke was the author of the hoax.

Despite the intense public speculation about the moon story, the Sun never publicly conceded that it was a hoax. On September 16, 1835 the Sun did publish a column in which it discussed the possibility that the story was a hoax, but it never confessed to anything. Quite the contrary. It wrote that, "Certain correspondents have been urging us to come out and confess the whole to be a hoax; but this we can by no means do, until we have the testimony of the English or Scotch papers to corroborate such a declaration." This is the closest the Sun ever came to an admission of guilt.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax.html (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax.html)
 
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax1.html (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax1.html)
 
Day One: Tuesday Morning, August 25, 1835
GREAT ASTRONOMICAL DISCOVERIES
Lately Made
BY SIR JOHN HERSCHEL, L.L.D, F.R.S, &c.
At The Cape of Good Hope.

[From Supplement to the Edinburgh Journal of Science]

 
 
(http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax.html)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 12, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
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Do you guys really think Michael is still alive as the trial goes on?
 
I've been a member of this forum for a while now, and read all there is, but really now?  WTF??

Hi - it's good to hear from you...even though you've been around :)

Yes, I believe more than ever now. If you've spent any time watching the trial you will come away with a sense that either this has to be a hoax or the California judicial system is in deep, deep trouble. To have an investigator from the coroner's office move evidence and leave fingerprints on the evidence? And for her to openly admit that she didn't do a good job at investigating...then or ever? Really? I felt bad for her because it seemed like she was on trial.

I'm not sure if everyone is involved but I do believe it's not 100% real.

The other thing that is quite convincing for me is the death and autopsy photo's. Those are both fake. No doubt in my mind. They aren't even close to the description given by the EMT's. Then there is the slip (I believe intentional) of 8/25/2009 on the autopsy photo.

Hang in there - I think the best is still yet to come.

Paula - great article about the full moon and unicorns. Funny (or not) that the Sun never did come out and confess that it was a hoax. Sounds so familiar to the garbage they spread about Michael and others...and never come out and take responsibility for their actions.

Those physicians today were quite interesting. The cardiologist, in particular. I loved how they just let him talk and talk even though much of what he said went against the defense instead of for it. And the baffled look on his face when Flanagan kept contradicting Murray's written statements.

Edit: In fact, this reminds me of what I've read about the 2005 trial where Sneddon and his group would try to feed or force the witness into saying what they wanted them to say.

Well - one more day closer to the truth. And hopefully to seeing Michael return.

Blessings to you all :)

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJonmind on October 13, 2011, 04:20:27 AM
Anna, there must be many more comparison/contrasts that could be found with the OJ trial and this one. Both on the 9th floor with the media on the 12th. In this clip, OJ gives a speech in his own defense. I wonder if Murray will be allowed to defend himself yet in court, maybe near the end.

Quote
Bashir: "The reason that has been given for why you didn't go to jail is
because, because you reached a financial settlement with the family?"

Jackson: "Yeah, I didn't want to do a long drawn-out thing on TV like OJ, and
all that stupid stuff, you know, it wouldn't look right. I said, look, get
this over with. I want to go on with my life. This is ridiculous, I've had
enough, go."
http://www.mjshouse.com/stories/living_with_mj_transcript.wm

Since MJ's planned this hoax for 20 years, he may have known that this current trial would also be televised, only it's for his "murder" by Murray. "My life is a movie."
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: julia142 on October 13, 2011, 10:17:57 AM
Our Christopher Rogers an actor, producer, writer, cameraman?
 
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0736788/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0736788/)
 
??? Could this be him?
 
Again a name in the court that is on IMDB and there is no picture of this man on Imdb to know. And look at the film ''Pursuit of Happiness'' it cited his name as Christopher Roger, so it is the same name though...
 
And for Dr. Alon Steinberg we have a AlAn Steinbeirg on IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0825831/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0825831/) He is a music composer for animated movies...
Here is the page for our cardiologist, he sure changed a lot since that picture: http://cardiacadvantage.com/handler.cfm?event=practice,template&cpid=18507 (http://cardiacadvantage.com/handler.cfm?event=practice,template&cpid=18507)
 
We also have a Stephen Marx on IMDB with no picture: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0548974/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0548974/)
 
So, I don't know if it's them, coulb or could not be but a lot of names in this trial seems to be connected to movies and music...
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: julia142 on October 13, 2011, 10:20:08 AM
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Thank you pepper, that's what jumps into my eyes:
the same day the U.S. deficit reach highest ever level, Ben Bernanke is getting reaffirmed in his job.
 
  • August 25, 2009 The United States budget deficit for 2009 will reach $1.6 trillion, the highest ever recorded.
  • August 25, 2009 U.S. President Barack Obama nominates Ben Bernanke for his second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php (http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php)

I find this very interesting considering the Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency.
On a s**ty note - we hear so much pee talk in court but nada on da poop. Not to be gross but there is no mention of any testing. Surely there would be some fecal matter, especially if he had 3 jars of pee in him.  Is MJ too shy to add in this detail?
Anyway, according to Henry C. Lee, forensics expert who assisted law enforcement in over 6, 000 major criminal crime investigations, including O. J. Simpson, states an analysis is done on the properties and effects of serums (blood, semen, saliva, swear, fecal matter), this is called serology. I need to have another look through the bogus AR to see what's listed under this section.

 
 
 
 
Quote
   pariisjaxn (http://yfrog.com/user/pariisjaxn/profile) 26 mins 13 secs ago Twitter (http://twitter.com/)  Full Moon Tonight!! Me And My Pack Of Unicorns Will Go Galloping Tonight. yfrog.com/h3my0lbj (http://yfrog.com/h3my0lbj)
 

 
 
 
  The Great Moon HoaxDuring the final week of August 1835, a long article appeared in serial form on the front page of the New York Sun. It bore the headline:

 
 
GREAT ASTRONOMICAL DISCOVERIES
LATELY MADE
BY SIR JOHN HERSCHEL, L.L.D. F.R.S. &c.
At the Cape of Good Hope
[From Supplement to the Edinburgh Journal of Science]
 
GREAT ASTRONOMICAL DISCOVERIES
LATELY MADE
BY SIR JOHN HERSCHEL, L.L.D. F.R.S. &c.
At the Cape of Good Hope
[From Supplement to the Edinburgh Journal of Science]
(http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/images/herschel2.jpg)
Sir John Herschel (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/herschel.html) The article began by triumphantly listing a series of stunning astronomical breakthroughs that the famous British astronomer, Sir John Herschel (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/herschel.html), had apparently made "by means of a telescope of vast dimensions and an entirely new principle." Herschel, the article declared, had established a "new theory of cometary phenomena"; he had discovered planets in other solar systems; and he had "solved or corrected nearly every leading problem of mathematical astronomy." Then, almost as if it were an afterthought, the article revealed Herschel's final, stunning achievement: he had discovered life on the moon!


The article continued on and offered an elaborate account of the fantastic sights viewed by Herschel during his telescopic observation of the moon. It described a lunar topography that included vast forests, inland seas, and lilac-hued quartz pyramids. Readers learned that herds of bison (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/bison.html) wandered across the plains of the moon; that blue unicorns perched on its hilltops; and that spherical, amphibious creatures rolled across its beaches. The highpoint of the narrative came when it revealed that Herschel had found evidence of intelligent life on the moon: he had discovered both a primitive tribe of hut-dwelling, fire-wielding biped beavers (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/beavers.html), and a race of winged humans living in pastoral harmony around a mysterious, golden-roofed temple. Herschel dubbed these latter creatures the Vespertilio-homo, (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/manbat.html) or "man-bat".

The article, of course, was an elaborate hoax. Herschel had not really observed life on the moon, nor had he accomplished any of the other astronomical breakthroughs credited to him in the article. In fact, Herschel was not even aware until much later that such discoveries had been attributed to him. However, the New York Sun managed to sell thousands of copies of the article before the public realized that it had been hoaxed
 
Although the Sun managed to sell many copies of the moon hoax, it is not clear whether people at the time actually believed the story, or simply found it to be an entertaining topic of debate. Various eyewitnesses to the hoax assure us that the credulity was general. For instance, one reporter, writing 18 years after the event, recalled how the hoax was received at Yale College:

Yale College was alive with staunch supporters. The literati—students and professors, doctors in divinity and law—and all the rest of the reading community, looked daily for the arrival of the New York mail with unexampled avidity and implicit faith. Have you seen the accounts of Sir John Herschel's wonderful discoveries? Have you read the Sun? Have you heard the news of the man in the Moon? These were the questions that met you every where. It was the absorbing topic of the day. Nobody expressed or entertained a doubt as to the truth of the story.

However, many discussions of the hoax that appeared in papers at the time of its first publication were openly skeptical of it. For instance, on August 29, 1835 the New York Commercial Advertiser had this to say about the hoax:

It is well done, and makes a pleasant piece of reading enough, especially for such as have a sufficient stock of available credulity; but we can hardly understand how any man of common sense should read it without at once perceiving the deception. Without referring to the monstrosities of the story itself, can any one suppose for a moment that such preparations as are described, should have been made without a word of notice in the english papers? Preparations going on for years—an object of glass of twenty-four feet in diameter—a donation of ten thousand pounds by the king—consultations with Sir David Brewster—and other extravagancies not less preposterous
 
Authorship of the hoax is usually attributed to Richard Adams Locke (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/locke.html), a Cambridge-educated reporter who was working for the Sun. However, Locke never publicly admitted to being the author of the hoax, and rumors have persisted that others were also involved in the production of the story. Two men in particular have been mentioned in connection with the hoax: Jean-Nicolas Nicollet, a French astronomer who was travelling through America at the time (though he was in Mississippi, not New York, when the moon hoax appeared), and Lewis Gaylord Clark, editor of the Knickerbocker Magazine. However, there is no real evidence to suggest that anyone but Locke was the author of the hoax.

Despite the intense public speculation about the moon story, the Sun never publicly conceded that it was a hoax. On September 16, 1835 the Sun did publish a column in which it discussed the possibility that the story was a hoax, but it never confessed to anything. Quite the contrary. It wrote that, "Certain correspondents have been urging us to come out and confess the whole to be a hoax; but this we can by no means do, until we have the testimony of the English or Scotch papers to corroborate such a declaration." This is the closest the Sun ever came to an admission of guilt.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax.html (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax.html)
 
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax1.html (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax1.html)
 
Day One: Tuesday Morning, August 25, 1835
GREAT ASTRONOMICAL DISCOVERIES
Lately Made
BY SIR JOHN HERSCHEL, L.L.D, F.R.S, &c.
At The Cape of Good Hope.

[From Supplement to the Edinburgh Journal of Science]

 
 
(http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax.html)

I knew Paris Tweet was attached to it!  :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 13, 2011, 02:42:45 PM
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Our Christopher Rogers an actor, producer, writer, cameraman?
 
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0736788/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0736788/)
 
??? Could this be him?
 
Again a name in the court that is on IMDB and there is no picture of this man on Imdb to know. And look at the film ''Pursuit of Happiness'' it cited his name as Christopher Roger, so it is the same name though...
 
And for Dr. Alon Steinberg we have a AlAn Steinbeirg on IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0825831/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0825831/) He is a music composer for animated movies...
Here is the page for our cardiologist, he sure changed a lot since that picture: http://cardiacadvantage.com/handler.cfm?event=practice,template&cpid=18507 (http://cardiacadvantage.com/handler.cfm?event=practice,template&cpid=18507)
 
We also have a Stephen Marx on IMDB with no picture: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0548974/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0548974/)
 
So, I don't know if it's them, coulb or could not be but a lot of names in this trial seems to be connected to movies and music...

This is great, Julia - thanks :)

I guess we (in our spare time) need to go watch some of these movies to see the faces behind the names.

It's not unthinkable that there are real physicians by these names but for this hoax they are being played by actors. But I would think these real physicians might need to know even if their names are spelled slightly different. Just thinking out loud...

Blessings :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJonmind on October 13, 2011, 03:22:14 PM
 I don't remember seeing this Chris Rogers, but I absolutely loved The Pursuit of Happiness, with Will Smith, about determination, homelessness, financial struggles, father-son relationship.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Poster-pursuithappyness.jpg/220px-Poster-pursuithappyness.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 13, 2011, 03:35:39 PM
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Christopher Rogers....( Michael? Prince? or a "real person")
 
I didn't know if this should be a new thread topic or not...so I'll mention it here ;)
 
It came up in chat that some people felt the witness Christopher Rogers could have been Michael or perhaps even Prince in disguise. Some people even felt that his movements, hands, speech etc...were like that of Michaels, or possibly Prince.

At first I dismissed it as too far fetched until I saw the photo of Michael in Jermaine's book "You are not alone" disguised as "Uncle Willy" (I personally never would have known it was MJ!). And we know Michael has had a history of being in disguises.

Here's the picture of Michael as "Uncle Willy" that I am referring to...and one of Christopher Rogers. 

Anyone else think this is possible or is this a dead end pursuit?
 
 

I think it's possible :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 13, 2011, 07:00:28 PM
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Thank you pepper, that's what jumps into my eyes:
the same day the U.S. deficit reach highest ever level, Ben Bernanke is getting reaffirmed in his job.
  • August 25, 2009 The United States budget deficit for 2009 will reach $1.6 trillion, the highest ever recorded.
  • August 25, 2009 U.S. President Barack Obama nominates Ben Bernanke for his second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php (http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php)

I find this very interesting considering the Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency.
On a s**ty note - we hear so much pee talk in court but nada on da poop. Not to be gross but there is no mention of any testing. Surely there would be some fecal matter, especially if he had 3 jars of pee in him.  Is MJ too shy to add in this detail?
Anyway, according to Henry C. Lee, forensics expert who assisted law enforcement in over 6, 000 major criminal crime investigations, including O. J. Simpson, states an analysis is done on the properties and effects of serums (blood, semen, saliva, swear, fecal matter), this is called serology. I need to have another look through the bogus AR to see what's listed under this section.
Case in point - "nada on da poop".  Dr Steven Shafer (Propofol expert) said in court today that the Propofol, after doing it's job, would then go through the liver and exit through the bladder (urine) and the bowel (poop). So where’s da poop? I don’t recall any testing done on his bowel contents, yet clearly there would be traces of drugs in there. Again, not to be disgusting but it’s an obvious question.  Especially after hearing Dr Shafer's comment confirming this. 
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 13, 2011, 07:06:40 PM
On day 11 during the Alon Steinburg questioning, didn't anyone else notice the flashlight between the cop's legs behind the defense?
 OMG!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on October 13, 2011, 07:21:20 PM
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GRACE:Another oddity is this.

ktla published on their blog the following information:

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Anesthesiologist Puts Focus on Safety at Conrad Murray Trial
11:10 AM  September 28, 2011

(http://blogs.ktla.com/.a/6a00d8341c0d2753ef014e8be23b01970d-700wi)

One of the stranger sights you'll see outside the Conrad Murray trial is a guy wearing surgical scrubs and a doctor's white coat.   He's got an IV drip attached to a bag of white liquid, just like you'd see in a hospital. That guy is Newport Beach anesthesiologist Dr. Barry Friedberg, who's written a book on anesthesia safety called "Getting Over Going Under".
Friedberg has real propofol to show you... It's the white liquid in the IV.  He's also got bottles of the drug.
Propofol is the powerful anesthetic that Michael Jackson used to refer to as his "milk."
Friedberg says hospital patients need to ask tougher questions to their anesthesiologists.

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/df91bd3c-af55-433f-a8c8-da974fded89d/News/KTLA-Anesthesiologist-Brings-Propofol-to-Conrad-Murray-Trial


This is falsifying facts?
Dr. Friedberg was outside the courthouse on occasion of the hearing on January 4, 2011.
Anybody saw him later than this date?

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20594.0;attach=1810;image)

Grace I saw this man a couple of time on internet,and now I remember that I saw him In Session's Ryan Smith.He said to Ryan that  he was asked to testify for MURRAY ,but he clealy said NO !!!! respect/ .LOVE you!!!!

IN SESSION - Dr. Barry Friedberg approached by Murray's DEFENSE TEAM.mp4
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es5suvGQOj4&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on October 13, 2011, 07:47:41 PM
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someone here said that LIVE streamings from inside the court are allowed only to InSession and that for OJ Simpson the InSession sign appeared on the transmission. I don't see InSession in any of the live streamings of his trial, nor on any other trial streaming on InSession site.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldZ-Fv0uhxQ[/youtube]

Anna thank you for the video!!!!! I have a QUESTION here.What is that black man behind Johnny Cochram is doing at OJ SIMSPON trial???????????????  afraid/ afraid/
That man I saw him at Murray trial and he is ALVAREZ lawyer.In those video he is speaking about THE CREAM Michael was using.And one more thing,it is just me or Alvarez is almost crying  ???/?????


La Toya Jackson: 'It's Difficult to See Dr. Conrad Murray'
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyPLwLTeqAM&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

Conrad Murray Trial
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uZczrWFsCM&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

And one more courious thing,this man,Carl Douglas was also involved in 1993-2005 case molestation of Michael.Isn't this strange??????  :roll: lolol/

LOVE
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on October 13, 2011, 07:58:08 PM
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On day 11 during the Alon Steinburg questioning, didn't anyone else notice the flashlight between the cop's legs behind the defense?
 OMG!

 /bravo/
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_2IlOUDpDr0k/SYISS6DWJeI/AAAAAAAABV8/uPXll1b1Ce0/lone_microphone.jpg)   :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Andrea on October 13, 2011, 08:05:11 PM
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Thank you pepper, that's what jumps into my eyes:
the same day the U.S. deficit reach highest ever level, Ben Bernanke is getting reaffirmed in his job.
  • August 25, 2009 The United States budget deficit for 2009 will reach $1.6 trillion, the highest ever recorded.
  • August 25, 2009 U.S. President Barack Obama nominates Ben Bernanke for his second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php (http://www.datesinhistory.com/aug25.php)

I find this very interesting considering the Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency.On a s**ty note - we hear so much pee talk in court but nada on da poop. Not to be gross but there is no mention of any testing. Surely there would be some fecal matter, especially if he had 3 jars of pee in him.  Is MJ too shy to add in this detail?Anyway, according to Henry C. Lee, forensics expert who assisted law enforcement in over 6, 000 major criminal crime investigations, including O. J. Simpson, states an analysis is done on the properties and effects of serums (blood, semen, saliva, swear, fecal matter), this is called serology. I need to have another look through the bogus AR to see what's listed under this section.
Case in point - "nada on da poop".  Dr Steven Shafer (Propofol expert) said in court today that the Propofol, after doing it's job, would then go through the liver and exit through the bladder (urine) and the bowel (poop). So where’s da poop? I don’t recall any testing done on his bowel contents, yet clearly there would be traces of drugs in there. Again, not to be disgusting but it’s an obvious question.  Especially after hearing Dr Shafer's comment confirming this.   
I think something went wrong when you quoted, I didn't write the text in red.  I don't see what I wrote at all, LOL.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 14, 2011, 09:22:01 AM
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On day 11 during the Alon Steinburg questioning, didn't anyone else notice the flashlight between the cop's legs behind the defense?

That does seem odd, doesn't it? At the very least it doesn't look professional. But, why would he need the flashlight? It wasn't night time. Perhaps to represent shining light on a subject or matter? IDK...thank you for bringing this up.

Yesterday and the day before I noticed something gray and fuzzy on the judges desk. I couldn't make out what it was. Did anyone else notice this?

Applehead - when I saw your post regarding that attorney it felt as though Michael told Alberto what attorney to have represent him. It also seems odd that the same people keep showing up, right?


Grace and Applehead - do you think that the anesthesiologist is for real? I think he is and that he decided to set some facts straight to the public regarding propofol. Remember how people were very nervous about propofol after June 25, 2009.

Blessings!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 14, 2011, 10:36:35 AM
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On day 11 during the Alon Steinburg questioning, didn't anyone else notice the flashlight between the cop's legs behind the defense?
 OMG!
Police flashlights are also a weapon.  I do know this first hand.  They are very heavy and can be used as a billy-club.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 14, 2011, 10:41:03 AM
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someone here said that LIVE streamings from inside the court are allowed only to InSession and that for OJ Simpson the InSession sign appeared on the transmission. I don't see InSession in any of the live streamings of his trial, nor on any other trial streaming on InSession site.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldZ-Fv0uhxQ[/youtube]

Anna thank you for the video!!!!! I have a QUESTION here.What is that black man behind Johnny Cochram is doing at OJ SIMSPON trial???????????????  afraid/ afraid/
That man I saw him at Murray trial and he is ALVAREZ lawyer.In those video he is speaking about THE CREAM Michael was using.And one more thing,it is just me or Alvarez is almost crying  ???/ ?????


La Toya Jackson: 'It's Difficult to See Dr. Conrad Murray'
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyPLwLTeqAM&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

Conrad Murray Trial
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uZczrWFsCM&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

And one more courious thing,this man,Carl Douglas was also involved in 1993-2005 case molestation of Michael.Isn't this strange??????  :roll: lolol/

LOVE
That is strange! And why would he need such a high powered lawyer?
btw, a Jackson nephew/grandson (who is also Katherine's driver) told CNN that Dr Murray did not comfort the kids or Kat at the hospital. Supposedly Kat barely saw him.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fordtocarr on October 14, 2011, 11:41:56 AM
 party/ What about that clown outside???  JVM said this trial certainty has the feel of a circus.
She didn't want the clown to get close to her!!  lol  Maybe Michael was there :)  Either way a clown at a death trial of the most famous man if the world??  On HLN they've calling the trial, a DRAMA, said Murray's interview was definitely SCRIPTED.  They've called it a SET.  They had the picture of the fake state seal of Cali on their set.  AND...they are really defending Michael on this.  Perhaps they have elusive 24/7 coverage to GAIN viewers, yes, but to me these things really tell me they are a part of all this.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 14, 2011, 11:57:59 AM
Yes, a flashlight can be used as a weapon...but who has ever seen a cop keep it between his legs?  It was the oddest thing ever...and then after the break it was gone.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: aimee on October 15, 2011, 01:34:55 PM
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I found this here...no press inside the courtroom. The courtroom is on the 9Th floor, the press on the 12 th floor, the only floor where pics and filming is allowed.
That means they could have always filmed it all and send it at that day to the waiting press....so little actuall little thinks like the weather, that give it a live touch could they put in...that's not the problem and ...rearly, why mentioned a judge a little rain ???? only when it will make this all a live illusion... /toldya/
 
Here is the link :
http://courtsandmedia.org/articles/murraytrialweekone/ (http://courtsandmedia.org/articles/murraytrialweekone/)
 
Blessings !
 

Thank you for this additional source.
It is remarkable that what they are saying may 100% be taken as a pure ironic statement.

Quote
“I believe in transparency,” said CNN Anchor Don Lemon. “I think that’s what America is all about.  Americans should be in on the process,” Lemon said. “Visual media is part of the media. It helps when people see how the process works. Without transparency, there is room to conceal things,” he said.Ethan Smith, a senior special writer with the Wall Street Journal’s Los Angeles bureau, was in court every day during week one. “We have to be the eyes and ears of the people to keep the process accountable,” Smith said.  The television coverage, ironically, keeps the press more accountable. “It turns the mirror back on us and keeps us accountable even as we are keeping the courts accountable,” Smith said. Each day, I lined up with Smith, Lemon, Seib and dozens of others to wait for deputies to waive us into the courtroom.  You were on time, through two security checks, wearing your press badge, or you didn’t get in the courtroom.  Court public information officer Mary Hearn, working with her staff and court deputies, ensured that no pictures were taken on the ninth floor, cleared the hallway of press as trial participants walked in each day, and generally kept order. That’s why if Murray is convicted, his chances of arguing that the press ruined his case appear to be nil, as was the case when disgraced Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling made that failed argument in a case that reached the Supreme Court in 2010.Has the argument ever worked? Well, yes.The seminal example of a defendant successfully arguing that the press violated his Sixth Amendment rights came in the 1966 U.S. Supreme Court case Sheppard v. Maxwell. In Sheppard the U.S. Supreme Court said that the trial judge and the press allowed a “Roman circus” atmosphere to prevail.Dr. Sam Shepherd, convicted of killing his pregnant wife, was granted a new trial as a result and eventually walked away a free man. The Shepherd case is widely believed to be the inspiration for the Harrison Ford film “The Fugitive.”
But getting back to “these arts” and their evolution, it is remarkable that so many broadcasters—all local Los Angeles television stations, plus AP Broadcast, Reuters, Univision, MetroNetworks, CBS Radio, Fox Radio News, UniSat, CNN/HLN and a host of others—are all able to transmit the trial without creating the same circus atmosphere that soiled Shepherd v. Maxwell. They do it with three quiet video cameras and a single coordinator. They do it with cooperation between the courts and the media.

 smiley_spider /cook/ afraid/


The circus is being operated now by somebody in control.
 
I noticed this too. The Judge talkes a lot about the weather. Last Thurday the 13th again. When they stopped, he said something about it is going to be very warm; we are coming maybe into the three digit. But later that night I looked at CNN and they had the weather forcast for 5 days for Los Angeles and it said 20-21 degrees Celsius or 68-69.8 Fahrenheit. That made me also think that everything is not live and filmed earlier.
 
And another thing does anyone know where the public is seated, I mean the public wihich can obtain a seat through lottery system?

 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 15, 2011, 04:34:00 PM
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On day 11 during the Alon Steinburg questioning, didn't anyone else notice the flashlight between the cop's legs behind the defense?
 OMG!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20594.0;attach=1846;image)

:lol:  OMG!  WTF?? :lol:

That looks like he was saying "The LIGHT is under my balls!" :lol:
Title: Odd Things In The Courtroom
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 19, 2011, 07:21:28 PM
So today (Wednesday) behind the guard sitting behind the glass partition was a painting of buildings....I didn't get a clear look but could it have been of NYC?  (twin towers)   Then after the break, the painting was gone!  I will watch closely after the vid is uploaded to YouTube to see if I can make out what it is.
Title: Re: Odd Things In The Courtroom
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 19, 2011, 07:30:15 PM
YouRnotAlone7 Please do, I couldn`t watch the trial today, I had an emergency.. thanks.
Title: Re: Odd Things In The Courtroom
Post by: _Anna_ on October 19, 2011, 07:31:52 PM
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So today (Wednesday) behind the guard sitting behind the glass partition was a painting of buildings....I didn't get a clear look but could it have been of NYC?  (twin towers)   Then after the break, the painting was gone!  I will watch closely after the vid is uploaded to YouTube to see if I can make out what it is.

please DO post the video or the print screens. couldn't watch either
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJonmind on October 19, 2011, 09:44:37 PM
I found this discovery, that the extra star from the California seal is in a bubble in the 'Michael' album cover. Can't think of another reason it would be there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/courtseal_michaelcd.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 19, 2011, 10:47:54 PM
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I found this discovery, that the extra star from the California seal is in a bubble in the 'Michael' album cover. Can't think of another reason it would be there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/courtseal_michaelcd.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160

WHOA!!!!     8-)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 19, 2011, 10:50:28 PM
Here's the picture that was behind the cop...it looks like a farm from far away (and sorry so blurry, but I couldn't get it any clearer) but at one point it looked clearer and it seemed like a city skyline with smoke...but I'm really not sure.  Then the pic was gone near the end of the session.
Title: Re: Odd Things In The Courtroom
Post by: lorela on October 20, 2011, 12:28:58 AM
Is this it?

(http://slikosef.pajek.net/images/f6xi1s6ugqmckutr030.jpg)

I zoomed it, but it's blurry. It seems like a calendar to me.


I'm not sure if this element disappeared later, but there was another one after the break - some orange thing on the guard's desk.
Title: Re: Odd Things In The Courtroom
Post by: MJonmind on October 20, 2011, 12:50:21 AM
There's already a thread with the same title.   http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20594.msg362955.html#msg362955  typing/
Title: Re: Odd Things In The Courtroom
Post by: bec on October 20, 2011, 01:41:17 AM
I'll merge this one with the original thread.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 20, 2011, 05:08:37 PM
I'm confused - if this isn't the right thread let me know.

Did anyone see the medical record report that was shown? It was in reference to the IV set, I believe. The reference number is 007774. I believe it was people's number 157.

I can only listen and glance once in a while so will confirm which report this was when I get off of work. The triple 7's caught my eye, especially since it's referencing the IV Drip.

Blessings
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: scorpionchik on October 20, 2011, 06:13:07 PM
Expert: Jackson Didn’t Give Himself Propofol 

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Michael Jackson was so heavily drugged in the hours before his death that he would have been incapable of self-administering the massive dose of propofol that killed him, a medical expert testified Thursday at the trial of Jackson’s doctor.
Dr. Steven Shafer, who presented a number of possible scenarios for Jackson’s overdose, said one posed by Dr. Conrad Murray’s defense — that the star gave himself the powerful anesthetic — is “crazy.”
“He can’t give himself an injection if he’s asleep,” Shafer told jurors.
The more likely scenario was that Murray placed Jackson on an IV propofol drip on the morning of his death then left later to make a series of phone calls as the singer slept, Shafer said.
Jackson probably stopped breathing before Murray returned, and the singer’s lungs emptied while the propofol kept flowing into his body, the witness said.
“This fits all of the data in this case and I am not aware of a single piece of data that is inconsistent with this explanation,” Shafer said.
Earlier, Shafer took the jury through a virtual chemistry class with diagrams and formulas projected on a large screen. He indicated the residue of drugs found during Jackson’s autopsy suggested Murray gave his patient much larger doses of sedatives than he told police.
He also said Jackson would have been extremely groggy from the drugs administered by IV throughout the night.
Murray told police he was away from Jackson for just two minutes — a period during which the defense says the singer could have grabbed a syringe and given himself additional propofol.
   “People don’t just wake up from anesthesia hell bent to pick up a syringe and pump it into the IV,” Shafer said, reminding the jury that the procedure was complicated. “It’s a crazy scenario.”
He also said it was unlikely that Jackson injected himself with a needle because the pop star’s veins were too deteriorated and the procedure would have been extremely painful.
Witnesses have said Jackson knew the drug had to be diluted with lidocaine in an IV to prevent burning when it entered the veins.
Shafer, a leading expert on anesthesiology who teaches at Columbia University Medical School, also rejected the claim that Jackson may have swallowed eight pills of the sedative lorazepam, also known as Ativan, causing his death.
Shafer said the amount of lorazepam found in Jackson’s stomach was “trivial” and not linked to oral ingestion. He suggested Murray gave Jackson much more lorazepam by IV infusion than the four milligrams he said he did.
After receiving lorazepam, another sedative known as midazolam (Versed) and propofol, Jackson would have been too groggy to handle the infusion of more anesthetic through an IV pump, Shafer said.
His opinions set up an expected clash with the views of his colleague, Dr. Paul White, who was waiting to testify for the defense. The men have been friends and associates for 30 years.
White, who sat in the courtroom taking notes, has suggested to the defense in a written report that Jackson might have swallowed a vial of propofol, accounting for the high level of the drug in his autopsy.
But the defense announced last week it had abandoned the theory in May after running its own tests that disproved the theory.
Coroner’s officials determined Jackson died on June 25, 2009, from acute propofol intoxication, and Murray has acknowledged giving the singer the drug as a sleep aid. The officials cited other sedatives as a contributing factor.
Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Aidan_81 on October 20, 2011, 06:49:51 PM
Dr. Steven Shafer was great.
Now can't wait for Dr. Paul White testimony..
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MissG on October 20, 2011, 07:08:54 PM
Never heard of Dr.Paul white, but found some odd info on the net. I guess it´s not the same person but...Sanctuary Hospice’s Dr. Paul White charged with cyber-stalking

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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 20, 2011, 08:46:21 PM
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I found this discovery, that the extra star from the California seal is in a bubble in the 'Michael' album cover. Can't think of another reason it would be there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/courtseal_michaelcd.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160

WHOA!!!!     8-)



um look at the stripes???? same damn colors..... WTF??
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on October 20, 2011, 08:56:19 PM
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I found this discovery, that the extra star from the California seal is in a bubble in the 'Michael' album cover. Can't think of another reason it would be there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/courtseal_michaelcd.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160)

WHOA!!!!     8-)



um look at the stripes???? same damn colors..... WTF??

(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/17500000/MJ-MACROS-michael-jackson-funny-moments-17505693-512-300.gif)
 
LMAO! GREAT FIND!!! there's an extra star and it ain't for minnesota. and the colors and pattern. just wow!
 
Oh wait, its just another one of those coincidences  :roll:  except for not really.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 20, 2011, 09:50:18 PM
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I dont want to start a thread on this, and sorry if it has been posted elsewhere, but I found this video very interesting...at :51 seconds the reporter explains who are the members of the jury....one of them is a tv director!  Maybe this is nothing, but still its interesting.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3wI20hUfs4[/youtube]

maybe this director is helping Michael directing this movie.. Who knows, thanks for posting this it is very interesting.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 20, 2011, 10:09:40 PM
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um look at the stripes???? same damn colors..... (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/Smileys/popos/WTF.gif)   
   

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LMAO! GREAT FIND!!! there's an extra star and it ain't for minnesota. and the colors and pattern. just wow!
 
Oh wait, its just another one of those coincidences  (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/Smileys/popos/icon_rolleyes.gif)  except for not really.   

That's hilarious  :lol: :lol:

I noticed the same thing earlier this evening and I was going to go look at my Michael CD just to make sure and before I could get back you two posted this :)

Yes, it is the same colors, the same stripes, and looking closer at the black strips on the Michael album cover there are 14 of them. I'm not sure if that's been noticed before either.

My take on the extra star - there is supposed to be 31 for the State of California but there is actually 32 (one extra). Great eye of MJOnMind who discovered where the extra star belongs - and that is on the Michael album cover. Maybe it's saying Michael is the "star"? Or maybe  he's the star witness?

Okay - there is no way we'd know this juicy tidbit before the trial started so I'm wondering what else will pop up. I would be very interested in hearing from our nonbeliever friends who view this board....

Blessings to all.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 20, 2011, 10:33:31 PM
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I found this discovery, that the extra star from the California seal is in a bubble in the 'Michael' album cover. Can't think of another reason it would be there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/courtseal_michaelcd.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160)

WHOA!!!!     8-)



um look at the stripes???? same damn colors..... WTF??

 afraid/ OMG!

Why do I get this feeling that album cover explains/connects all the clues?
 

 
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 20, 2011, 10:46:53 PM
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I found this discovery, that the extra star from the California seal is in a bubble in the 'Michael' album cover. Can't think of another reason it would be there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/courtseal_michaelcd.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160)

WHOA!!!!     8-)



um look at the stripes???? same damn colors..... WTF??

 afraid/ OMG!

Why do I get this feeling that album cover explains/connects all the clues?
 

 
 

You're not alone. I've gone back to staring at the Michael album. Even if Michael decides not to return nobody in 1000 years will ever tell me that this is a coincidence. We can add this as clue number 777.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on October 20, 2011, 10:48:13 PM
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I'll merge this one with the original thread.

Thank you Bec  :)


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On day 11 during the Alon Steinburg questioning, didn't anyone else notice the flashlight between the cop's legs behind the defense?

Yeah, I noticed that too and thought why on earth has he put that thing there??? It was odd and caught my eye.[/size]
That does seem odd, doesn't it? At the very least it doesn't look professional. But, why would he need the flashlight? It wasn't night time. Perhaps to represent shining light on a subject or matter? IDK...thank you for bringing this up.

Accumalatively, everything in this court seems unprofessional. never seen anything like it before in any other trial. for me personally its proof the court room / case is all ficticious. the unprofessionalism in the courtroom encourages my faith. (spelling, props, false reports and photos, elephents, rabbits, trash can, others) 


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I found this discovery, that the extra star from the California seal is in a bubble in the 'Michael' album cover. Can't think of another reason it would be there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/courtseal_michaelcd.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160

Thank you for sharing.  /bravo/  When you first posted, I noticed the stripes akin to the stipes on seal. I forgot about the missing star and didnt make the connection. Well spotted. Must get that 'Michael' cover out as well as my magnifying glass and look for more clues...

So exciting!!! michael-jackson/


L.O.V.E to all!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 21, 2011, 12:12:13 AM
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I found this discovery, that the extra star from the California seal is in a bubble in the 'Michael' album cover. Can't think of another reason it would be there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/courtseal_michaelcd.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160)

WHOA!!!!     8-)



um look at the stripes???? same damn colors..... WTF??

 afraid/ OMG!

Why do I get this feeling that album cover explains/connects all the clues?
 

 
 

You're not alone. I've gone back to staring at the Michael album. Even if Michael decides not to return nobody in 1000 years will ever tell me that this is a coincidence. We can add this as clue number 777.

Something else I noticed with that star on the Michael album...it looks like the one on the elephant outside of the Staple's Center July 2009. It's even in the same position.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Coco on October 21, 2011, 12:14:55 AM
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I found this discovery, that the extra star from the California seal is in a bubble in the 'Michael' album cover. Can't think of another reason it would be there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/courtseal_michaelcd.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160)

WHOA!!!!     8-)



um look at the stripes???? same damn colors..... WTF??

 afraid/ OMG!

Why do I get this feeling that album cover explains/connects all the clues?
 

 
 

You're not alone. I've gone back to staring at the Michael album. Even if Michael decides not to return nobody in 1000 years will ever tell me that this is a coincidence. We can add this as clue number 777.

I feel this way, too. I look at the mural from time to time, wondering what certain images are and how they might connect to everything that's going on...
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MJonmind on October 21, 2011, 01:10:13 AM
Maybe I'm off the deep end, but MJ transformer from Moonwalker and Murray look alike to me.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/murrayserious.jpg)(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/moonwalker1u_jpg1.jpg)

And Murray's bald spot seems wrong--too dark of skin and not centered the way they usually are.

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/murraybaldpumpkin.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: lorela on October 21, 2011, 02:26:37 AM
1. What's that orange thing?
2. Does anyone have a screenshot of that "black screen" yesterday?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: peacock7 on October 21, 2011, 03:54:51 PM
Everyone, I know MJ has been cited for calling propofol his Jesus Juice (something he put out there evidently), but below is what it probably truly is related to.  Remember, this story is fake.  MJ had to die of something, and he knew that the more outrageous the story (or any story) relating to him was, would be the most believable to some.  They thought him a freak, eccentric, looney toons et al.
 
He was amazed that people would believe all of those tabloid stories about him without any fact checking/researching.  He couldn't conceive it.  And how the media lied on him during the 2005 trial was appalling and a crying shame (and some more adjectives).  On some levels it bothered him, but at some point, he decided that he would use it for fodder/background to tell several unbelivable stories about and attributed to himself.  He is the writer/author, director, executive producer, victim and some more stuff having to do with this Michael Jackson story. 
 
The more outrageous the stories/lies about him were/are - the better, because that was the way folks identified with him.  So he said, I show them - and that is what he is doing now.  He planted a lot of these stories about himslf thru some of the so-called shady characters that have been quoted in the press, written about in the press and now with the witnesses and such in this farce of a trial.  LOL!
 
By the way, Diana was dressed in garb that looked like two galaxies colliding on a recent tour stop which IMO has to do with the below.  Matter of fact, there are a lot of things MJ was about in This Is It - since then and back in the past that was very COSMIC.
 
Please delete if duplicate posts.
 
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=94 (http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=94)

http://www.cosmomyth.com/milky_way.html (http://www.cosmomyth.com/milky_way.html)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on October 21, 2011, 05:25:54 PM
Is it me or does Dr White look like this actor? 
 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0348409/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0348409/)
I thought he looked familiar then remembered the "doctor" in the movie Patch Adams.  Anyone else thinks it's the same guy? Keep in mind he looks older in court and wears glasses.

Here's the trailer to Patch Adams.

[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/1gTwkAL3kLY[/embed]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 21, 2011, 05:31:18 PM
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I found this discovery, that the extra star from the California seal is in a bubble in the 'Michael' album cover. Can't think of another reason it would be there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/cat_girl25/courtseal_michaelcd.png)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=160

WHOA!!!!     8-)



um look at the stripes???? same damn colors..... WTF??

 /bravo/

You guys are amazing, you know that? Great catch.  /woohoo/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: starlight30 on October 26, 2011, 02:36:59 PM
That is a good find the missing star on the cd.
Today on HLN, a male reporter was in the hallway outside the court room. I guy with a black hat and white fuzzy hair walks by and goes out the door. Then next scene, reporter is back and guy is standing behind him. "Bystander" and fluffy beard and a jean jacket with white patches on the shoulders was looking around. It was very funny.
Jane Velez was talking about LaToya and her conspiracy theory, Jane said thousands of people would have to agree to go along it.
Patient Gerry Causy of Dr. CM kissed CM on the forehead. All too funny.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 26, 2011, 04:42:20 PM
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Is it me or does Dr White look like this actor? 
 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0348409/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0348409/)
I thought he looked familiar then remembered the "doctor" in the movie Patch Adams.  Anyone else thinks it's the same guy? Keep in mind he looks older in court and wears glasses.

Here's the trailer to Patch Adams.

[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/1gTwkAL3kLY[/embed]

Robin Williams is one of my fave actors and I don't think he looks like him at all. Here is a recent picture of Mr Williams.

(http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/robin-williams-face-tisch-2010-gala-oSoJbw.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 26, 2011, 06:25:04 PM
I previously posted an article about Murray's 5 ex-patients who testified today as character witnesses for the defense. I was searching for other witness patients. I found one: ex-patient, Robert Russel, who was testifying on September 30. He was quite frustrated because he felt abandoned by dr. Murray after the doctor told him he was leaving his practice to care solely for Michael Jackson. It strikes me that this only 1 "less positive" testimony about Murray was scheduled earlier and the 5 "positive" witnesses were scheduled closer to the date of verdict, which could have an influencial effect on the jury, I suppose. :?
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Conrad-Murray-trial:-Ex-patient-felt-abandoned-by-doctor--who-left-practice-to-care-for-Michael-Jackson/8374536 (http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Conrad-Murray-trial:-Ex-patient-felt-abandoned-by-doctor--who-left-practice-to-care-for-Michael-Jackson/8374536)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-26/michael-jackson-doctor-trial/50934094/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-26/michael-jackson-doctor-trial/50934094/1)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 26, 2011, 09:37:35 PM
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I previously posted an article about Murray's 5 ex-patients who testified today as character witnesses for the defense. I was searching for other witness patients. I found one: ex-patient, Robert Russel, who was testifying on September 30. He was quite frustrated because he felt abandoned by dr. Murray after the doctor told him he was leaving his practice to care solely for Michael Jackson. It strikes me that this only 1 "less positive" testimony about Murray was scheduled earlier and the 5 "positive" witnesses were scheduled closer to the date of verdict, which could have an influencial effect on the jury, I suppose. :?
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Conrad-Murray-trial:-Ex-patient-felt-abandoned-by-doctor--who-left-practice-to-care-for-Michael-Jackson/8374536 (http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Conrad-Murray-trial:-Ex-patient-felt-abandoned-by-doctor--who-left-practice-to-care-for-Michael-Jackson/8374536)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-26/michael-jackson-doctor-trial/50934094/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-26/michael-jackson-doctor-trial/50934094/1)

Prosecutions focus---->Abandonment
Defenses focus-------->Character

The defense has to "re-humanize" Dr. Murray. A man who could make a mistake, but never intentionally put his patients in "harms way." To show him as a victim of some unforseen complication.

In technical terms the prosecution has already proved their case (abandonment). Murray admitted on tape (police interview) that he left the patients side momentarily and then returned. The phone records (validated with witness testimony) also support this confession (time lapses in focused care of the patient).  When Murray went downstairs to the kitchen and also waiitng on the landing at the top of stairs to get help (leaving the patient yet again instead of dialing 911), these actions also supported by testimony (Chase, Alvarez). Not giving full disclosure of medications Murray used on the patient, this action supported by testimony (EMT's, Doctors at UCLA ) ----> all of which prove without a reasonable doubt abandonment. Abandonment=negligence (manslaughter)
 

So what the defense tried to do is question the accuracy of the investigation (was evidence tampered with, did the patient conceal any prior medications/addictions, dispute that the amounts of medications given could have been lethal, establish a lack of willingness for others to respond to the urgency of the matter, etc...) then they have to "re-humanize" him, (show him as a caring physician, diligent, knowledgable competent etc...) (character)to establish that the circumstances were beyond his control and unforseen; a unexplainable "fluke".

 
All it takes is "reasonable doubt". Doubt that Dr. Murray did anything that would have intentionally killed a patient.
 

People have been known to die even with all the available medical measures taken in a proper setting.  So the defense has to establish that nothing Murray could have done would have made a difference...it was not intentional.


I've sat on 3 jurys...2 criminal, 1 civil...and I can tell you, from a "juror" perspective, this case was over two weeks ago. Jurors have to adhere to specifics, testimony is given to support it, but alot of what we hear during the trial is thrown out. It's more simple than most people realize.

I am speaking of course as if this was a "real case" ;)

...sorry so long winded, but to answer your question, the first witness was used by the prosecution because he supports (abandonment), the others support (character).
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 27, 2011, 08:11:40 AM
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I previously posted an article about Murray's 5 ex-patients who testified today as character witnesses for the defense. I was searching for other witness patients. I found one: ex-patient, Robert Russel, who was testifying on September 30. He was quite frustrated because he felt abandoned by dr. Murray after the doctor told him he was leaving his practice to care solely for Michael Jackson. It strikes me that this only 1 "less positive" testimony about Murray was scheduled earlier and the 5 "positive" witnesses were scheduled closer to the date of verdict, which could have an influencial effect on the jury, I suppose. :?
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Conrad-Murray-trial:-Ex-patient-felt-abandoned-by-doctor--who-left-practice-to-care-for-Michael-Jackson/8374536 (http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Conrad-Murray-trial:-Ex-patient-felt-abandoned-by-doctor--who-left-practice-to-care-for-Michael-Jackson/8374536)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-26/michael-jackson-doctor-trial/50934094/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-26/michael-jackson-doctor-trial/50934094/1)

Prosecutions focus---->Abandonment
Defenses focus-------->Character

The defense has to "re-humanize" Dr. Murray. A man who could make a mistake, but never intentionally put his patients in "harms way." To show him as a victim of some unforseen complication.

In technical terms the prosecution has already proved their case (abandonment). Murray admitted on tape (police interview) that he left the patients side momentarily and then returned. The phone records (validated with witness testimony) also support this confession (time lapses in focused care of the patient).  When Murray went downstairs to the kitchen and also waiitng on the landing at the top of stairs to get help (leaving the patient yet again instead of dialing 911), these actions also supported by testimony (Chase, Alvarez). Not giving full disclosure of medications Murray used on the patient, this action supported by testimony (EMT's, Doctors at UCLA ) ----> all of which prove without a reasonable doubt abandonment. Abandonment=negligence (manslaughter)
 

So what the defense tried to do is question the accuracy of the investigation (was evidence tampered with, did the patient conceal any prior medications/addictions, dispute that the amounts of medications given could have been lethal, establish a lack of willingness for others to respond to the urgency of the matter, etc...) then they have to "re-humanize" him, (show him as a caring physician, diligent, knowledgable competent etc...) (character)to establish that the circumstances were beyond his control and unforseen; a unexplainable "fluke".

 
All it takes is "reasonable doubt". Doubt that Dr. Murray did anything that would have intentionally killed a patient.
 

People have been known to die even with all the available medical measures taken in a proper setting.  So the defense has to establish that nothing Murray could have done would have made a difference...it was not intentional.


I've sat on 3 jurys...2 criminal, 1 civil...and I can tell you, from a "juror" perspective, this case was over two weeks ago. Jurors have to adhere to specifics, testimony is given to support it, but alot of what we hear during the trial is thrown out. It's more simple than most people realize.

I am speaking of course as if this was a "real case" ;)

...sorry so long winded, but to answer your question, the first witness was used by the prosecution because he supports (abandonment), the others support (character).

Thanks for your clear explanation. Actually, it is not long winded, on the contrary, it's interesting to see this from a juror's perspective :) . I have no knowledge of law cases, trials etc. and I've never seen a courthouse from the inside (glad I am).
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It's more simple than most people realize.

Personally, I can't imagine that it's so simple. I mean, when you must adhere to specifics as a juror, you must be rational and block your emotions as well. I think that's not so simple, because even if you adhere to specifics rationally as a juror, hearing the loving and emotional testimonies of the patients and seeing the reaction of Murray, it will somehow touch the jurors (or at least 1 or 2). I still find the timing of the testimonies of the patient witnesses striking. Convenient timing for the defense, because they are close to the date of the verdict. I believe that recent remarkable testimonies or situations will always stick into the memories of the juror. But that's from my own perspective and I'm not a juror and I guess I will never be. I find it very interesting though  ;) .
 
With L.O.V.E.
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 27, 2011, 08:55:08 AM
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I previously posted an article about Murray's 5 ex-patients who testified today as character witnesses for the defense. I was searching for other witness patients. I found one: ex-patient, Robert Russel, who was testifying on September 30. He was quite frustrated because he felt abandoned by dr. Murray after the doctor told him he was leaving his practice to care solely for Michael Jackson. It strikes me that this only 1 "less positive" testimony about Murray was scheduled earlier and the 5 "positive" witnesses were scheduled closer to the date of verdict, which could have an influencial effect on the jury, I suppose. :?
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Conrad-Murray-trial:-Ex-patient-felt-abandoned-by-doctor--who-left-practice-to-care-for-Michael-Jackson/8374536 (http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Conrad-Murray-trial:-Ex-patient-felt-abandoned-by-doctor--who-left-practice-to-care-for-Michael-Jackson/8374536)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-26/michael-jackson-doctor-trial/50934094/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-26/michael-jackson-doctor-trial/50934094/1)

Prosecutions focus---->Abandonment
Defenses focus-------->Character

The defense has to "re-humanize" Dr. Murray. A man who could make a mistake, but never intentionally put his patients in "harms way." To show him as a victim of some unforseen complication.

In technical terms the prosecution has already proved their case (abandonment). Murray admitted on tape (police interview) that he left the patients side momentarily and then returned. The phone records (validated with witness testimony) also support this confession (time lapses in focused care of the patient).  When Murray went downstairs to the kitchen and also waiitng on the landing at the top of stairs to get help (leaving the patient yet again instead of dialing 911), these actions also supported by testimony (Chase, Alvarez). Not giving full disclosure of medications Murray used on the patient, this action supported by testimony (EMT's, Doctors at UCLA ) ----> all of which prove without a reasonable doubt abandonment. Abandonment=negligence (manslaughter)
 

So what the defense tried to do is question the accuracy of the investigation (was evidence tampered with, did the patient conceal any prior medications/addictions, dispute that the amounts of medications given could have been lethal, establish a lack of willingness for others to respond to the urgency of the matter, etc...) then they have to "re-humanize" him, (show him as a caring physician, diligent, knowledgable competent etc...) (character)to establish that the circumstances were beyond his control and unforseen; a unexplainable "fluke".

 
All it takes is "reasonable doubt". Doubt that Dr. Murray did anything that would have intentionally killed a patient.
 

People have been known to die even with all the available medical measures taken in a proper setting.  So the defense has to establish that nothing Murray could have done would have made a difference...it was not intentional.


I've sat on 3 jurys...2 criminal, 1 civil...and I can tell you, from a "juror" perspective, this case was over two weeks ago. Jurors have to adhere to specifics, testimony is given to support it, but alot of what we hear during the trial is thrown out. It's more simple than most people realize.

I am speaking of course as if this was a "real case" ;)

...sorry so long winded, but to answer your question, the first witness was used by the prosecution because he supports (abandonment), the others support (character).

Thanks for your clear explanation. Actually, it is not long winded, on the contrary, it's interesting to see this from a juror's perspective :) . I have no knowledge of law cases, trials etc. and I've never seen a courthouse from the inside (glad I am).
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It's more simple than most people realize.

Personally, I can't imagine that it's so simple. I mean, when you must adhere to specifics as a juror, you must be rational and block your emotions as well. I think that's not so simple, because even if you adhere to specifics rationally as a juror, hearing the loving and emotional testimonies of the patients and seeing the reaction of Murray, it will somehow touch the jurors (or at least 1 or 2). I still find the timing of the testimonies of the patient witnesses striking. Convenient timing for the defense, because they are close to the date of the verdict. I believe that recent remarkable testimonies or situations will always stick into the memories of the juror. But that's from my own perspective and I'm not a juror and I guess I will never be. I find it very interesting though  ;) .
 
With L.O.V.E.
 

My apologies...I didn't mean to imply that jurors have to be insensitive  :lol:  On the contrary, you do get emotional and it can influence your perspective and defense attorneys count on it!  But there are certain instructions and guidelines you do have to adhere to.

Yesterdays testimony would have been hard to sit through---> I went through a box of tissue just watching it on my computer, I imagine being there was very emotionally charged. It's easy to get caught up in the science and forget there are real people behind the situation. The defense chose their character witness' well.

 /bravo/

But in terms of being on a jury, I just meant that people are sometimes "shell shocked" at how fast a jury reaches a verdict in some cases (usually only within a matter of hours) even if presenting the case had taken weeks or months! It's a very exciting experience if you ever get the opportunity. I used to dread jury duty until I was actually chosen for that first case. It definitely gives you a whole new appreciation of the legal system.

 /judge/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fordtocarr on October 27, 2011, 11:17:32 AM
OKAY!!!!  Full out facial view on top of cops desk of a
JACK-0- lantern!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On first half hour or so...then GONE   :)
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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 27, 2011, 11:22:15 AM
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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: anewfan on October 27, 2011, 11:46:54 AM
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Was this today, Bec? I haven't been able to watch.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 27, 2011, 12:05:38 PM
@anewfan, yes, about an hour ago.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: fordtocarr on October 27, 2011, 12:10:53 PM
Maybe that means, jacko was in court..but now is gone.
Maybe it means, that he WAS JACK0, now is only the
JACK-O-lantern, which, now has disappeared/gone.
We'll see what comes back!

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: _Anna_ on October 27, 2011, 02:54:10 PM

"DEMORAL administered by doctor in Beverly Hills"

       http://twitpic.com/76nff2/full
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 27, 2011, 03:06:34 PM
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I previously posted an article about Murray's 5 ex-patients who testified today as character witnesses for the defense. I was searching for other witness patients. I found one: ex-patient, Robert Russel, who was testifying on September 30. He was quite frustrated because he felt abandoned by dr. Murray after the doctor told him he was leaving his practice to care solely for Michael Jackson. It strikes me that this only 1 "less positive" testimony about Murray was scheduled earlier and the 5 "positive" witnesses were scheduled closer to the date of verdict, which could have an influencial effect on the jury, I suppose. :?
http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Conrad-Murray-trial:-Ex-patient-felt-abandoned-by-doctor--who-left-practice-to-care-for-Michael-Jackson/8374536 (http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Conrad-Murray-trial:-Ex-patient-felt-abandoned-by-doctor--who-left-practice-to-care-for-Michael-Jackson/8374536)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-26/michael-jackson-doctor-trial/50934094/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-26/michael-jackson-doctor-trial/50934094/1)

Prosecutions focus---->Abandonment
Defenses focus-------->Character

The defense has to "re-humanize" Dr. Murray. A man who could make a mistake, but never intentionally put his patients in "harms way." To show him as a victim of some unforseen complication.

In technical terms the prosecution has already proved their case (abandonment). Murray admitted on tape (police interview) that he left the patients side momentarily and then returned. The phone records (validated with witness testimony) also support this confession (time lapses in focused care of the patient).  When Murray went downstairs to the kitchen and also waiitng on the landing at the top of stairs to get help (leaving the patient yet again instead of dialing 911), these actions also supported by testimony (Chase, Alvarez). Not giving full disclosure of medications Murray used on the patient, this action supported by testimony (EMT's, Doctors at UCLA ) ----> all of which prove without a reasonable doubt abandonment. Abandonment=negligence (manslaughter)
 

So what the defense tried to do is question the accuracy of the investigation (was evidence tampered with, did the patient conceal any prior medications/addictions, dispute that the amounts of medications given could have been lethal, establish a lack of willingness for others to respond to the urgency of the matter, etc...) then they have to "re-humanize" him, (show him as a caring physician, diligent, knowledgable competent etc...) (character)to establish that the circumstances were beyond his control and unforseen; a unexplainable "fluke".

 
All it takes is "reasonable doubt". Doubt that Dr. Murray did anything that would have intentionally killed a patient.
 

People have been known to die even with all the available medical measures taken in a proper setting.  So the defense has to establish that nothing Murray could have done would have made a difference...it was not intentional.


I've sat on 3 jurys...2 criminal, 1 civil...and I can tell you, from a "juror" perspective, this case was over two weeks ago. Jurors have to adhere to specifics, testimony is given to support it, but alot of what we hear during the trial is thrown out. It's more simple than most people realize.

I am speaking of course as if this was a "real case" ;)

...sorry so long winded, but to answer your question, the first witness was used by the prosecution because he supports (abandonment), the others support (character).

Thanks for your clear explanation. Actually, it is not long winded, on the contrary, it's interesting to see this from a juror's perspective :) . I have no knowledge of law cases, trials etc. and I've never seen a courthouse from the inside (glad I am).
Quote
It's more simple than most people realize.

Personally, I can't imagine that it's so simple. I mean, when you must adhere to specifics as a juror, you must be rational and block your emotions as well. I think that's not so simple, because even if you adhere to specifics rationally as a juror, hearing the loving and emotional testimonies of the patients and seeing the reaction of Murray, it will somehow touch the jurors (or at least 1 or 2). I still find the timing of the testimonies of the patient witnesses striking. Convenient timing for the defense, because they are close to the date of the verdict. I believe that recent remarkable testimonies or situations will always stick into the memories of the juror. But that's from my own perspective and I'm not a juror and I guess I will never be. I find it very interesting though  ;) .
 
With L.O.V.E.
 

My apologies...I didn't mean to imply that jurors have to be insensitive  :lol:  On the contrary, you do get emotional and it can influence your perspective and defense attorneys count on it!  But there are certain instructions and guidelines you do have to adhere to.

Yesterdays testimony would have been hard to sit through---> I went through a box of tissue just watching it on my computer, I imagine being there was very emotionally charged. It's easy to get caught up in the science and forget there are real people behind the situation. The defense chose their character witness' well.

 /bravo/

But in terms of being on a jury, I just meant that people are sometimes "shell shocked" at how fast a jury reaches a verdict in some cases (usually only within a matter of hours) even if presenting the case had taken weeks or months! It's a very exciting experience if you ever get the opportunity. I used to dread jury duty until I was actually chosen for that first case. It definitely gives you a whole new appreciation of the legal system.

 /judge/
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It's a very exciting experience if you ever get the opportunity.
I bet it is a very exciting experience, though I guess I will never get the opportunity to be a juror, because here in The Netherlands we have a completely different judicial system with no jury http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Europe/Netherlands-JUDICIAL-SYSTEM.html (http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Europe/Netherlands-JUDICIAL-SYSTEM.html). That's why it is so interesting to see how the judicial system in the US works. Ok, this trial's not a real case  ;) , I still learn a lot. I have to admit that I was a little sceptical about the high risk of media influence on the jury, but no offense because I'm just an "outsider" who's familiar with another judicial system.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 27, 2011, 03:33:27 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/courtpumpkin.jpg)

Love how Ed has a matching pumpkin orange tie.  I can't even imagine where you'd shop to find a silk orange neck tie.

I know someone else who likes the color orange  :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MeandMyShadow on October 27, 2011, 03:41:30 PM
As far as I know, they have not mentioned anything in regards to Dr. Klein's records of administering Demerol, that the notes are written up for a patient known as Arnold Omar.  It has been said that that is one of the many names MJ used in getting prescriptions.  But I have two questions.  One, if this was all legit and proper, why use a fake name?  Doctor/patient records should be private, so normally, no need for a fake name, right?  And secondly, is this also yet another clue in that it's not really MJ having the demerol, and the kangaroo court is assuming facts not in evidence?  After all, none was found in his system (assuming he really is dead)  NOT!   ;D
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 27, 2011, 03:42:57 PM
Walgren vs. Waldran....WHEW!!!!!  Made me a nervous wreck.  Did anyone notice they said Unicorn Unicorn Unicorn for exhibit U and then showed V V V on the medical record?  Not to mention Chernoff's orange tie!!!

 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 27, 2011, 04:00:20 PM
(http://cdn.ties.com/231662-200-363-0.jpg)
Jack-O-Lantern TieBy The American Necktie Co - Orange Microfiber
http://www.ties.com/v/a/the-american-necktie-co-jack-o-lantern-orange-tie (http://www.ties.com/v/a/the-american-necktie-co-jack-o-lantern-orange-tie)

What if everyone wears this Jack-O-Lantern Tie in court tomorrow? afraid/ :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 27, 2011, 05:07:10 PM
Elephant in the room mention.  Did you hear it?  Isn’t it strange that this s mentioned during Dr. White’s testimony being that HE WAS NOT SWORN IN /cook/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 27, 2011, 06:19:20 PM
 michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/ michael-jackson/

 /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 27, 2011, 06:23:42 PM
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"DEMORAL administered by doctor in Beverly Hills"

       http://twitpic.com/76nff2/full (http://twitpic.com/76nff2/full)


 
 
 
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 :shock: :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: anewfan on October 27, 2011, 06:36:17 PM
I'm trying to post a screen pic of a face reflection in the mirror. Can someone help me? I click attach, but it won't let me post it in the message.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: anewfan on October 27, 2011, 06:37:26 PM
Oh! I guess it worked! Hurray! Look at the window...you can see a mouth, nose, and ears. It's a giant face....it was there for awhile today and then as soon as I mentioned it on chat it disappeared.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 28, 2011, 09:51:28 AM
Is this the face you are referring to?

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: anewfan on October 28, 2011, 10:22:37 AM
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Is this the face you are referring to?



Yes.....and then it disappeared and went back to the reflections of the people in the courtroom. It was there for a few minutes and that's it.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sweetangel on October 28, 2011, 10:47:11 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/courtpumpkin.jpg

And when you think it can't go crazier it goes. :lol:

Look what i have found.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/27/tmzs-wack-o-jack-o-lantern-contest-winner/#.Tqqs37Lnoiw

Much Peace and Love to everyone.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Tink.I.Am on October 28, 2011, 11:44:45 AM
Who is Conrad W Murray ´????
 
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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on October 28, 2011, 05:29:44 PM
just goes to show that this trial is a) live, b) some parts are devised adhoc or on the fly...

brilliant. this sure is interactive!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: alfarle on October 28, 2011, 09:39:37 PM
Question: In day 19 during court, does anyone remember seeing the jack-o-lantern sitting on one of the high tables?
0:46 it's noticable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=944I29RpGPE

Later on as in depth session continues, the jack-o-lantern is no longer there. Why????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EWMdzpqcEg
Could it be a "now you see me and now you don't type of thing"? Or could it possibly be because of the fact that ppl would make a mockery out of MJ calling him "Jacko"....Jack-O- lantern??????


I see now that this was already discussed. LoL. My bad. :) :lol: But um....yeah. I wonder the purpose of that....Crazy huh??? :shock: fresse/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 28, 2011, 11:21:31 PM
Anyone check out all the line graph 7's today? I was only able to watch til just after the mid morning break but nearly all those line graphs were perfect sideways 7s. Even the exhibit LLLL looked like 4 perfect upside down sevens, with the curved part n everything. 7 7s on one graph, 16 7's on another. It was neato.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sarahli on October 30, 2011, 01:16:41 PM
Maybe not an odd thing but first time I think we got this view of the courtroom :?: .... the exit is let's say "illuminated"...I thought it could be a kind of message.

(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8141/courtroomview.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sarahli on October 30, 2011, 01:19:38 PM
I have not seen it mentioned but just for the record Mr Flanagan called Michael "Mr. Lorazepam...huh! Michael Jackson" and it did sound like an intentional slip-up... :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 30, 2011, 06:07:17 PM
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Maybe not an odd thing but first time I think we got this view of the courtroom :?: .... the exit is let's say "illuminated"...I thought it could be a kind of message.

(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8141/courtroomview.jpg)




Where is Murray?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on October 30, 2011, 06:10:26 PM
re: mr lorazapam.... non believers or people who dont realise that this courtcase is all fake, must think that the majority of personnel who are working at this court atm, are the most unprofessional legal professionals that ever existed... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 30, 2011, 06:11:47 PM
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Maybe not an odd thing but first time I think we got this view of the courtroom :?: .... the exit is let's say "illuminated"...I thought it could be a kind of message.

(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8141/courtroomview.jpg)




Where is Murray?

The one on the left with black jacket.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 30, 2011, 06:24:16 PM
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Maybe not an odd thing but first time I think we got this view of the courtroom :?: .... the exit is let's say "illuminated"...I thought it could be a kind of message.

(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8141/courtroomview.jpg)




Where is Murray?

The one on the left with black jacket.



... But he is always sitting beside Flanagan, all is changed, or perhaps Murray is short-sighted and does not see the screen


Someone saw this change in the broadcast of the trial?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Coco on October 30, 2011, 06:33:53 PM
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Everyone, I know MJ has been cited for calling propofol his Jesus Juice (something he put out there evidently), but below is what it probably truly is related to.  Remember, this story is fake.  MJ had to die of something, and he knew that the more outrageous the story (or any story) relating to him was, would be the most believable to some.  They thought him a freak, eccentric, looney toons et al.
 
He was amazed that people would believe all of those tabloid stories about him without any fact checking/researching.  He couldn't conceive it.  And how the media lied on him during the 2005 trial was appalling and a crying shame (and some more adjectives).  On some levels it bothered him, but at some point, he decided that he would use it for fodder/background to tell several unbelivable stories about and attributed to himself.  He is the writer/author, director, executive producer, victim and some more stuff having to do with this Michael Jackson story. 
 
The more outrageous the stories/lies about him were/are - the better, because that was the way folks identified with him.  So he said, I show them - and that is what he is doing now.  He planted a lot of these stories about himslf thru some of the so-called shady characters that have been quoted in the press, written about in the press and now with the witnesses and such in this farce of a trial.  LOL!
 
By the way, Diana was dressed in garb that looked like two galaxies colliding on a recent tour stop which IMO has to do with the below.  Matter of fact, there are a lot of things MJ was about in This Is It - since then and back in the past that was very COSMIC.
 
Please delete if duplicate posts.
 
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=94 (http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=94)

http://www.cosmomyth.com/milky_way.html (http://www.cosmomyth.com/milky_way.html)

Wait, wasn't white wine his "Jesus Juice" and propofol his "milk"? Or was propofol also/his (new?) Jesus Juice? confused/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 30, 2011, 06:49:03 PM
This is what i saw on another forum and it is in reference to the flag, in the following photo the flag has a yellow stripe
and in the court of the trial of Murray the flag does not have the strip
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nw-WMxkOxUU/TqJeQEFd_eI/AAAAAAAACpE/zKjZ-gWsoaE/s400/MJ+2011+admiralty+4.JPG)












(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ROqLgRGyt_A/TqJeaHQiuPI/AAAAAAAACpM/iBAZWplutPc/s400/MJ+2011+admiralty+3.JPG)

















(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aoSz4OkpHgc/TqJep2Q4XfI/AAAAAAAACpU/uHYavQ13EdY/s400/MJ+2011+trial+admiralty+1.jpg)
















(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4qGSQQc0O3Q/TqJgXt0CKGI/AAAAAAAACpc/tzaaYdJ41mE/s640/MJ+2011+trial+admiralty+courtroom_inside.jpg)

















(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2bXw6NcznFY/TqJg5fPagVI/AAAAAAAACpk/meFYyGRNpYk/s640/MJ+2011+Admiralty+court+room+1.jpg)














Perhaps it is nothing, and someone in the United States can explain?
Links of California Courts

http://www.courts.ca.gov/home.htm

http://www.youtube.com/user/CaliforniaCourts?blend=21&ob=5#p/u/27/YLMiE0B-DFU

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLMiE0B-DFU&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]












http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLMiE0B-DFU&feature=player_embedded



And a seal  with 31 stars suspicious// /pull hair/


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hLoeK-irxs&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]











http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hLoeK-irxs&feature=player_embedded













Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sweetangel on October 30, 2011, 07:11:22 PM
Hello everyone,

I don't know, if this Video was postet before. Here on this Forum is to much stuff. :lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SknyYSc3Aic[/youtube]

Much Peace and Love to everyone.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 30, 2011, 07:21:40 PM
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Hello everyone,

I don't know, if this Video was postet before. Here on this Forum is to much stuff. :lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SknyYSc3Aic[/youtube]




always seemed that the judge is very likeable




Much Peace and Love to everyone.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 31, 2011, 10:44:09 AM
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Everyone, I know MJ has been cited for calling propofol his Jesus Juice (something he put out there evidently), but below is what it probably truly is related to.  Remember, this story is fake.  MJ had to die of something, and he knew that the more outrageous the story (or any story) relating to him was, would be the most believable to some.  They thought him a freak, eccentric, looney toons et al.
 
He was amazed that people would believe all of those tabloid stories about him without any fact checking/researching.  He couldn't conceive it.  And how the media lied on him during the 2005 trial was appalling and a crying shame (and some more adjectives).  On some levels it bothered him, but at some point, he decided that he would use it for fodder/background to tell several unbelivable stories about and attributed to himself.  He is the writer/author, director, executive producer, victim and some more stuff having to do with this Michael Jackson story. 
 
The more outrageous the stories/lies about him were/are - the better, because that was the way folks identified with him.  So he said, I show them - and that is what he is doing now.  He planted a lot of these stories about himslf thru some of the so-called shady characters that have been quoted in the press, written about in the press and now with the witnesses and such in this farce of a trial.  LOL!
 
By the way, Diana was dressed in garb that looked like two galaxies colliding on a recent tour stop which IMO has to do with the below.  Matter of fact, there are a lot of things MJ was about in This Is It - since then and back in the past that was very COSMIC.
 
Please delete if duplicate posts.
 
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=94 (http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=94)

http://www.cosmomyth.com/milky_way.html (http://www.cosmomyth.com/milky_way.html)

Wait, wasn't white wine his "Jesus Juice" and propofol his "milk"? Or was propofol also/his (new?) Jesus Juice? confused/

Yes, that has me confused too. I also thought the "Jesus juice" was from the 2005 trial, and the "Milk" was what they called Propofol.

Thank you for bringing this up - i thought I was losing my mind. Well, that may be possible too! :)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on October 31, 2011, 12:24:00 PM
The flag fringe is supposed to indicate a military court under which the defendant possess NO civilian rights, including those attributed as unalienable to him under the constitutional Bill of Rights. There is a great deal of information on this available on the internet, usually from resistance groups or civil rights watch groups.

Unbiased opinion, it seems an outdated rule that gold fringe=military court, but perhaps I'm being naive. All i know is that US citizens appear as defendants in courtrooms every day across this country presided under gold fringed flags and their constitutional rights are indeed observed, so the evidence is not really indicative of what these resistance groups claim.

The gold fringe is largely present on US courtroom flags but not always, nor is it required.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: iamamjbeliever on October 31, 2011, 12:36:17 PM
um, how do you paste? suspicious//
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 31, 2011, 02:34:07 PM
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The flag fringe is supposed to indicate a military court under which the defendant possess NO civilian rights, including those attributed as unalienable to him under the constitutional Bill of Rights. There is a great deal of information on this available on the internet, usually from resistance groups or civil rights watch groups.

Unbiased opinion, it seems an outdated rule that gold fringe=military court, but perhaps I'm being naive. All i know is that US citizens appear as defendants in courtrooms every day across this country presided under gold fringed flags and their constitutional rights are indeed observed, so the evidence is not really indicative of what these resistance groups claim.

The gold fringe is largely present on US courtroom flags but not always, nor is it required.

thanks bec
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on October 31, 2011, 02:43:57 PM
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6099/6289368740_a9d45b392d_z.jpg)























and whom does this belong to? not our Dr. Murray!
I didn't watch the trial today but I decided to take a look at Conrad W Murray and I found this:
(http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2011/200/10030402_131121071636.jpg)

















Interesting, this Murray died 56 years ago and Murray's age is about 58/56 years old????
Also interesting the symbol on his grave and from where this Conrad W Murray is:
Wilson County
Texas, USA
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=10030402

Murray's record says:
Conrad R Murray, MD
Cardiologist, Internist
http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Conrad_Murray
About this, I think no-one has recalled Murray´s pin Seeingclues´finding here:

(http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/16/09/46/48/murray10.jpg)

















Which comes from the Fire Department Freemasons:
http://www.ioffer.com/i/Fire-Fighter-Fi ... -108495127
(http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/16/09/46/48/lafdma10.jpg)
















(http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/16/09/46/48/lafdtw12.jpg)
















(http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/16/09/46/48/lafdtw11.jpg)











(http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/16/09/46/48/lafdtw12.jpg)











http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=280
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on October 31, 2011, 05:40:22 PM
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Hello everyone,

I don't know, if this Video was postet before. Here on this Forum is to much stuff. :lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SknyYSc3Aic[/youtube]

Much Peace and Love to everyone.

I love the judge. He is a funny dude. :lol:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 31, 2011, 09:59:36 PM
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(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6099/6289368740_a9d45b392d_z.jpg)























and whom does this belong to? not our Dr. Murray!
I didn't watch the trial today but I decided to take a look at Conrad W Murray and I found this:
(http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2011/200/10030402_131121071636.jpg)

















Interesting, this Murray died 56 years ago and Murray's age is about 58/56 years old????
Also interesting the symbol on his grave and from where this Conrad W Murray is:
Wilson County
Texas, USA
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=10030402

Murray's record says:
Conrad R Murray, MD
Cardiologist, Internist
http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Conrad_Murray
About this, I think no-one has recalled Murray´s pin Seeingclues´finding here:

(http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/16/09/46/48/murray10.jpg)

















Which comes from the Fire Department Freemasons:
http://www.ioffer.com/i/Fire-Fighter-Fi ... -108495127
(http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/16/09/46/48/lafdma10.jpg)
















(http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/16/09/46/48/lafdtw12.jpg)
















(http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/16/09/46/48/lafdtw11.jpg)











(http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/16/09/46/48/lafdtw12.jpg)











http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16500&start=280

I find this really interesting - was it hard to find that tombstone of Conrad W Murray?

What else I find interesting is that when you click the link where it shows the overall patient rating that Dr Murray has been reviewed by 333 patients. That's how many pages were released in the FBI files.

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on November 01, 2011, 12:29:45 AM
That's Conrad Murray Sr.'s grave.  I was looking for that photo but couldn't find it.  There is also a pic on the net (somewhere?) with Murray visiting his father's grave.  It's a Freemason symbol - like father like son.  His father was also a cardiologist.  I wonder if he's white?  Has anyone figured out that lil mystery yet?


and whom does this belong to? not our Dr. Murray!
I didn't watch the trial today but I decided to take a look at Conrad W Murray and I found this:
(http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2011/200/10030402_131121071636.jpg)















Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Snoopy71 on November 01, 2011, 12:54:28 AM
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That's Conrad Murray Sr.'s grave.  I was looking for that photo but couldn't find it.  There is also a pic on the net (somewhere?) with Murray visiting his father's grave.  It's a Freemason symbol - like father like son.  His father was also a cardiologist.  I wonder if he's white?  Has anyone figured out that lil mystery yet?


and whom does this belong to? not our Dr. Murray!
I didn't watch the trial today but I decided to take a look at Conrad W Murray and I found this:
(http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2011/200/10030402_131121071636.jpg)

















Is this maybe Murray's grandfather? and not father...cause if i'm doing my math correctly...according to these dates, his father would have been in his 60's when Murray was born (1953) and he would have only been about 2 years old when Murray Sr. died.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: msgitm on November 01, 2011, 01:22:21 AM
You may be right!?!  I thought I heard one of his patients say his dad died in 2000, or something? Could be that grandpa Murray was also a doctor and a freemason!?!  Or... Murray's dad was just like him and had tons of kids, even later in life.  I'm sure the pic I saw of Conrad Jr visiting the grave had captions that read he was visiting his father. 
Another thought... maybe this isn't the same grave I saw in the pic I'm talking about.  It did have the freemason symbols but that doesn't mean it was the same grave.  I'll have to see if I saved that pic somewhere.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Tink.I.Am on November 01, 2011, 02:39:40 AM
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Hi there,

Maybe I have totally lost it, but I would swear that the judge I saw today was not the same judge Michael Pastor that's been sitting in that seat. In fact does anyone have that picture of him with the yellow cab on his bench? That is not the same judge!!!!!

I can't seem to find any old pictures from the preliminary hearings, but I know I'm not senile! :x

Blessings,
OnTheWingsOfLove



I realise that  I'm responding to an old post but I just wanted to say that the  blackhaird judge from the pretrial was not Judge pastor.
April 5, 2010: Murray’s case is reassigned from Superior Court Judge Peter Espinoza to Judge Michael Pastor.

Maybe it is allready in this thread somewhere.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on November 01, 2011, 09:02:16 AM
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No, I didn't see the scene w/the alarm. What was the joke the judge made? That sounds like fun. But I remember during the Oprah interview at Neverland an alarm went off when she was asking personal questions. This shud be on Comedy Central.

damn i chose a great day to have medical problems and be at the hospital, hence missing trial. spewing i missed today. YES this should be on COMEDY CENTRAL   lolol/

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Not sure anyone has commented on this but during the first day of the trial me and my wife could not start laughing.Out of nowhere,someone broke wind of almighty proportions.I couldnt believe it!There were giggles throughout the courtroom,even conrad managed a smile.It is the most unprofessional courtroom setting i have ever witnessed.My local courtroom is far more pro than this.

that's our jacko and his hilarious sense of humour   lolol/


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And this comparison could be sunflowers


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8s4HxopZ8bI/ToTsXnXdj5I/oohAAAAAAAACEQ/AKBG8wxX9n0/s1600/abogado+de+Murray.jpg)



IMO only, i dont see sunflowers....

i see more of a graphic / design loosely based on a flower or leaf...


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Anyone watching the trial live right now? An alarm just went off (not to mention the judge told yet ANOTHER joke, making everyone laugh.. again. So professional, right? lol) Reminds me of the alarm that went off at UCLA on the 25th. And wasn't there an alarm heard in the background of the audio? So many alarms.

because its really professional to make jokes in court hey??? especially when its involving the death and potential manslaughter of a world known figure. just as professional as pumpkins, elphants and fluro orange ties i guess...
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Suzy7 on November 01, 2011, 01:36:10 PM
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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on November 04, 2011, 09:06:31 AM
I noticed this picture while browsing the net. It's interesting to me because there has been much discussion over the missing "N". And recently on the BACK thread there was a picture of the clowns where the "G" was missing. Now we have another picture from outside of the courthouse. For the life of me I can't figure it all out but I know these missing letters must have meaning.

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on November 04, 2011, 01:09:04 PM
Somebody shakes when the wind blows
 Somebody's missing a friend, hold on
 Somebody's lacking a hero
 And they have not a clue
 When it's all gonna end
 
 Stories buried and untold
 Someone is hiding the truth, hold on
 When will this mystery unfold
 And will the sun ever shine
 In the blind man's eyes when he cries?
 
 You can change the world (I can't do it by myself)
 You can touch the sky (Gonna take somebody's help)
 You're the chosen one (I'm gonna need some kind of sign)
 If we all cry at the same time tonight

People laugh when they're feelin sad
 Someone is taking a life, hold on
 Respect to believe in your dreams
 Tell me where were you
 when your children cried last night?
 
 Faces fill with madness
 Miracles unheard of, hold on
 Faith is found in the winds
 All we have to do
 Is reach for the truth
 
 And when that flag blows
 There'll be no more wars
 And when all calls
 I will answer all your prayers
 
 Change the world
 

(Cry lyrics)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on November 04, 2011, 01:23:40 PM
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I noticed this picture while browsing the net. It's interesting to me because there has been much discussion over the missing "N". And recently on the BACK thread there was a picture of the clowns where the "G" was missing. Now we have another picture from outside of the courthouse. For the life of me I can't figure it all out but I know these missing letters must have meaning.

NIG is an abbreviation for the country Nigeria (among others).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria)

There were news about Nigeria and the Jackson family in spring 2009.
http://theurbandaily.com/music/the-urban-daily-staff/marlon-jackson-angers-nigerian-with-a-jackson-5-museum/ (http://theurbandaily.com/music/the-urban-daily-staff/marlon-jackson-angers-nigerian-with-a-jackson-5-museum/)
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-313207.0.html (http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-313207.0.html)



NGI is an abbreviation for FBI's Next Generation Identification (among others)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi)

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on November 04, 2011, 02:11:08 PM
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I noticed this picture while browsing the net. It's interesting to me because there has been much discussion over the missing "N". And recently on the BACK thread there was a picture of the clowns where the "G" was missing. Now we have another picture from outside of the courthouse. For the life of me I can't figure it all out but I know these missing letters must have meaning.

NIG is an abbreviation for the country Nigeria (among others).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria)

There were news about Nigeria and the Jackson family in spring 2009.
http://theurbandaily.com/music/the-urban-daily-staff/marlon-jackson-angers-nigerian-with-a-jackson-5-museum/ (http://theurbandaily.com/music/the-urban-daily-staff/marlon-jackson-angers-nigerian-with-a-jackson-5-museum/)
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-313207.0.html (http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-313207.0.html)



NGI is an abbreviation for FBI's Next Generation Identification (among others)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi)
[/url]

... which leads us to the fingerprints of the broken syringe. I missed the outcome of the research of the fingerprints. Does anybody know? Or is it still a mystery? suspicious//
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on November 04, 2011, 02:57:52 PM
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I noticed this picture while browsing the net. It's interesting to me because there has been much discussion over the missing "N". And recently on the BACK thread there was a picture of the clowns where the "G" was missing. Now we have another picture from outside of the courthouse. For the life of me I can't figure it all out but I know these missing letters must have meaning.

NIG is an abbreviation for the country Nigeria (among others).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria)

There were news about Nigeria and the Jackson family in spring 2009.
http://theurbandaily.com/music/the-urban-daily-staff/marlon-jackson-angers-nigerian-with-a-jackson-5-museum/ (http://theurbandaily.com/music/the-urban-daily-staff/marlon-jackson-angers-nigerian-with-a-jackson-5-museum/)
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-313207.0.html (http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-313207.0.html)



NGI is an abbreviation for FBI's Next Generation Identification (among others)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi)
[/url]

... which leads us to the fingerprints of the broken syringe. I missed the outcome of the research of the fingerprints. Does anybody know? Or is it still a mystery? suspicious//

Wow - Grace, have I told you lately how incredible I think you are? When I saw the sign I thought it had a familiarity. The familiarity is with the song Cry.

Funny thing about that poster though - it made me think of Sneddon and the 2005 trial, not current events.

NGI - Next Generation Identification. Hmmm...I need to read up on this because it's the first time I've heard of this term but it doesn't sound good to me.

EverlastingLove_MJ...great connection to the fingerprints. I'll need to check but if I remember correctly they didn't say who the fingerprints belonged to other than to say that they didn't belong to Dr Murray or Michael. One of the last witnesses did say that it's possible not to have fingerprints but I don't remember the reason why this would be so.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on November 04, 2011, 06:36:07 PM
I noticed twice the jury deliberation clock stopping on the TMZ website. I took screen shots. I see that Luna also mentioned it in the shoutbox. Here are both screenshots - I'm not sure if there were other times because I am working and not paying close attention.

Anyways, both sets of numbers equal 33.

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on November 04, 2011, 11:53:23 PM
You know you're over-hoaxed if...

5:43:07:653...4:27:27:272
^___________________^

(25)7:(43)7:7:(65)11(34)7:(27)9:(27)9:(27)9

777 117 999

lol.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on November 05, 2011, 01:43:55 AM
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Wow - Grace, have I told you lately how incredible I think you are? When I saw the sign I thought it had a familiarity. The familiarity is with the song Cry.

Smiling and passing the credits on to Michael.
Invincible album is making my day every morning and every evening in my car.
And believe me: the speakers are on the edge of bursting LOL
I can only speak for myself but the lyrics in the album are all incredible.
They make a lot of sense in retro when you look with hoaxer's eyes.
 
 bearhug
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: bec on November 05, 2011, 01:48:23 AM
Me too Grace. 77 minutes of Invincible on repeat. I agree, the lyrics get more incredible every day.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Vietnow on November 05, 2011, 02:04:11 AM
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Wow - Grace, have I told you lately how incredible I think you are? When I saw the sign I thought it had a familiarity. The familiarity is with the song Cry.

Smiling and passing the credits on to Michael.
Invincible album is making my day every morning and every evening in my car.
And believe me: the speakers are on the edge of bursting LOL
I can only speak for myself but the lyrics in the album are all incredible.
They make a lot of sense in retro when you look with hoaxer's eyes.
 
 bearhug

Two songs that REALLY stand out to me on the album are Cry and You Are My Life. Obviously Threatened, Heartbreaker, and Unbreakable are great too.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on November 05, 2011, 03:34:01 AM
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I noticed this picture while browsing the net. It's interesting to me because there has been much discussion over the missing "N". And recently on the BACK thread there was a picture of the clowns where the "G" was missing. Now we have another picture from outside of the courthouse. For the life of me I can't figure it all out but I know these missing letters must have meaning.

NIG is an abbreviation for the country Nigeria (among others).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria)

There were news about Nigeria and the Jackson family in spring 2009.
http://theurbandaily.com/music/the-urban-daily-staff/marlon-jackson-angers-nigerian-with-a-jackson-5-museum/ (http://theurbandaily.com/music/the-urban-daily-staff/marlon-jackson-angers-nigerian-with-a-jackson-5-museum/)
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-313207.0.html (http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-313207.0.html)



NGI is an abbreviation for FBI's Next Generation Identification (among others)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi)
[/url]

... which leads us to the fingerprints of the broken syringe. I missed the outcome of the research of the fingerprints. Does anybody know? Or is it still a mystery? suspicious//

Wow - Grace, have I told you lately how incredible I think you are? When I saw the sign I thought it had a familiarity. The familiarity is with the song Cry.

Funny thing about that poster though - it made me think of Sneddon and the 2005 trial, not current events.

NGI - Next Generation Identification. Hmmm...I need to read up on this because it's the first time I've heard of this term but it doesn't sound good to me.

EverlastingLove_MJ...great connection to the fingerprints. I'll need to check but if I remember correctly they didn't say who the fingerprints belonged to other than to say that they didn't belong to Dr Murray or Michael. One of the last witnesses did say that it's possible not to have fingerprints but I don't remember the reason why this would be so.

Thanks Voiceforthesilent. I must rewatch the witness's statement. The fingerprints on the syringe was maybe a false tabloid story to confuse us. If there really were fingerprints, but still a mystery from whom they belonged, than it looks like a sort of Hitchcock story ;) Keeping Grace's NGI in mind: I've read somewhere that a belly button is also an ID mark. Did you know the story about Hitchcock, that he didn't have a belly button? :shock: On the trial death photo MJ didn't have a belly button either. Suspense 8-)

— There was this story going around on the internet that Hitchcock actually didn’t have a belly button. It was Ron Burrage, a professional Hitchcock doppelgänger, who first mentioned this during an interview at his place in London. Together with Hitchcock himself, Ron Burrage went on to become one of the protagonists in Double Take (2009), the film I was working on at the time. I liked the story of Hitchcock not having a belly button, as it sort of alluded to the fact there might not have been an original Hitchcock after all. If he didnt have a belly button, so I reasoned, he might be a clone and there might actually be many doubles of the master, of which Ron Burrage was one. Ultimately this became also part of the plotline in the film.
 
I was able to verify this anecdote when I stumbled onto the transcript from an all women’s panel on Hitchcock (**) during the research stage of the film. Indeed Karen Black, the last in a row of Hitchcock’s famous female protagonists who featured in the master’s final film Family Plot (1976), recounted this little story as participant in the panel, invoking in a funny way Hitchcock’s sardonic way of speaking. Now while I was completing Double Take with editor Tyler Hubby in Los Angeles, he mentioned that his wife was big pals with Karen Black. Maybe we could interview her for the film and check if the story of Hitchcock not having a belly button was really true? So, in August 2008 that’s what we set out to do: Karen Black, who really is the most wonderful storyteller, honored us in her house and this is her testimony she told us about the master without a belly button.

http://www.thislongcentury.com/?p=4343&c=122

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: finfin on November 06, 2011, 04:46:48 AM

Thanks go to @TrueNewsZone on Twitter for the photomontage of the toys in the courtroom

https://twitter.com/#!/TrueNewsZone

(http://s1-05.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/442420062.jpg)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on November 06, 2011, 04:49:44 AM
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Thanks go to @TrueNewsZone on Twitter for the photomontage of the toys in the courtroom

https://twitter.com/#!/TrueNewsZone

(http://s1-05.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/442420062.jpg)

thanks for posting finfin... love it.

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Catherine23 on November 06, 2011, 05:21:49 AM
Hi, this is my new account since I couldn't access my old one (I used to be EyeHeartMJ). I haven't been in this forum for quite awhile; I like this thread and have only read a few pages. I'm still kind of confused about what the main thoughts/opinions are about the trial, and due to my crappy internet I haven't watched any of the videos of the trial.  Because of this, could someone please fill me in on what the general beliefs about the trial are? Do most of you think it is a movie (I saw that mentioned earlier in the thread) and what are the main clues/ideas you've all picked up on?
Sorry if it seems like a stupid question but I feel like I've missed a lot! geek/

Thanks.


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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on November 06, 2011, 09:16:19 PM
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Thanks go to @TrueNewsZone on Twitter for the photomontage of the toys in the courtroom

https://twitter.com/#!/TrueNewsZone

(http://s1-05.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/442420062.jpg)

:lol:

They didn't make it so obvious like the hearing courtroom and they hided some of the toys but still, they are there. Thank you for posting the pic.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: popisdead on November 17, 2011, 12:59:10 PM
the clue about the great seal of california courtroom is not valid...
the same seal was used in the same courtroom for the oj simpson trial
take a look....
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on November 17, 2011, 02:46:31 PM
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the clue about the great seal of california courtroom is not valid...
the same seal was used in the same courtroom for the oj simpson trial
take a look....

Finally  :) ,thank you very much Popisdead !!!!!! Finally someone who saw the SEAL at O.J. trial  :)!!!!
I try to tell for some time now,but no one believes me unfortunately .I counted also and it has 32 STARS !!!!
Thank you again,God bless you!!!
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sarahli on November 17, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
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the clue about the great seal of california courtroom is not valid...
the same seal was used in the same courtroom for the oj simpson trial
take a look....

Finally  :) ,thank you very much Popisdead !!!!!! Finally someone who saw the SEAL at O.J. trial  :)!!!!
I try to tell for some time now,but no one believes me unfortunately .I counted also and it has 32 STARS !!!!
Thank you again,God bless you!!!


So what does that mean?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: _Anna_ on November 17, 2011, 04:30:00 PM
The photo was taken in 2004, NOT at the OJ trial in 1994.
 
Then the "fake" seal falls. Again something strong falls, that's what it means.

I wonder why some people are happy?

It sounds impossible to be an error, but it is. It wasn't made for Murray's trial only. That means it's not fake. Just an error.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on November 17, 2011, 04:35:14 PM
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the clue about the great seal of california courtroom is not valid...
the same seal was used in the same courtroom for the oj simpson trial
take a look....

Finally  :) ,thank you very much Popisdead !!!!!! Finally someone who saw the SEAL at O.J. trial  :)!!!!
I try to tell for some time now,but no one believes me unfortunately .I counted also and it has 32 STARS !!!!
Thank you again,God bless you!!!


So what does that mean?

Dear Sarahli,I'm sorry I don't want to answer personally to this question,because someone on here will be mad at me.I had already been laughded in my face,but it doesen't matter to me,cause I follow Michael's advice:"FOLLOW YOUR HEART".
So if I will not answer personally,I will let someone else to do this,by giving you the link,lol  lolol/ .LOVEyou!!!


http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/trial/videos/the-conrad-murray-trial-is-fake-california-seal/ (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/trial/videos/the-conrad-murray-trial-is-fake-california-seal/)
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sarahli on November 17, 2011, 04:54:37 PM
Thank you Applehead for the link. Yes follow your heart dear.  bearhug

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The photo was taken in 2004, NOT at the OJ trial in 1994.
 
Then the "fake" seal falls. Again something strong falls, that's what it means.

I wonder why some people are happy?

It sounds impossible to be an error, but it is. It wasn't made for Murray's trial only. That means it's not fake. Just an error.

Who are the happy people you are talking about?  lolol/

Concerning the seal ... what if it helps the hoax because of just that, it's a Hoax! That's when the seal (even if it's just a mistake) plays in. It's like the Hoax will activate its function??? Do I make sense?  geek/
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on November 17, 2011, 05:07:43 PM
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Thank you Applehead for the link. Yes follow your heart dear.  bearhug

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The photo was taken in 2004, NOT at the OJ trial in 1994.
 
Then the "fake" seal falls. Again something strong falls, that's what it means.

I wonder why some people are happy?

It sounds impossible to be an error, but it is. It wasn't made for Murray's trial only. That means it's not fake. Just an error.

Who are the happy people you are talking about?  lolol/

Concerning the seal ... what if it helps the hoax because of just that, it's a Hoax! That's when the seal (even if it's just a mistake) plays in. It's like the Hoax will activate its function??? Do I make sense?  geek/

Sarahli OMG  :shock: you will not BELIEVE what I found!!!! OMG  :shock:
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on November 17, 2011, 06:26:26 PM
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Thank you Applehead for the link. Yes follow your heart dear.  bearhug

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The photo was taken in 2004, NOT at the OJ trial in 1994.
 
Then the "fake" seal falls. Again something strong falls, that's what it means.

I wonder why some people are happy?

It sounds impossible to be an error, but it is. It wasn't made for Murray's trial only. That means it's not fake. Just an error.

Who are the happy people you are talking about?  lolol/

Concerning the seal ... what if it helps the hoax because of just that, it's a Hoax! That's when the seal (even if it's just a mistake) plays in. It's like the Hoax will activate its function??? Do I make sense?  geek/

Sarahli please listen to what O.J. Simpson has to say about Michael and his LOVE for children.Also he CLEARLY states that Michael invited him in 1994 ,after trial,at Neverland ,to spent some time with his children  :shock:!!!! He said Michael personally called him  :shock: .Mmmm......I don't think that if O.J.had been quiltty,Michael would called him,and more than that,to spent time with his own kids,lol   :)!!! So to me is clear,that's why we had the NEWS PAPER with O.J. INNOCENT at Murray trial ,lol  geek/ this is NOT OVER,is MUCH MORE TO COME  8-)!!!

OJ Simpson - 2004 Interview - part 1
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9Y1L80h4g&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Suzy7 on November 18, 2011, 05:16:13 AM
 Applehead, are you seriously saying OJ was innocent of the crime? He was 'proven' not guilty in a court but that is different than innocence, as guilty people are found 'not guilty' all the time and vice versa.
The evidence proved his blood was at the scene and the victim's blood was in his car and home. What about him beating Nicole almost to death regularly? Is that a hoax too? She said many time's, even before the day she died, that "he was going to kill her". She had picture's of her battered face and there are tapes of her 911 call's of her crying for help with him in the background. He led police on a high speed chase down the highway, whilst threatening suicide. He even basically admitted his guilt in his book (If I Did It) about "hypothetically" being the killer of the mother of his kid's. How charming.
But he was a good, innocent man? Right.

 He was also wrong about date rape in that interview too. He said "date rape and stranger rape are two different things", need I comment? He has NO credibility.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sarahli on November 18, 2011, 07:19:52 AM
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Thank you Applehead for the link. Yes follow your heart dear.  bearhug

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The photo was taken in 2004, NOT at the OJ trial in 1994.
 
Then the "fake" seal falls. Again something strong falls, that's what it means.

I wonder why some people are happy?

It sounds impossible to be an error, but it is. It wasn't made for Murray's trial only. That means it's not fake. Just an error.

Who are the happy people you are talking about?  lolol/

Concerning the seal ... what if it helps the hoax because of just that, it's a Hoax! That's when the seal (even if it's just a mistake) plays in. It's like the Hoax will activate its function??? Do I make sense?  geek/

Sarahli please listen to what O.J. Simpson has to say about Michael and his LOVE for children.Also he CLEARLY states that Michael invited him in 1994 ,after trial,at Neverland ,to spent some time with his children  :shock:!!!! He said Michael personally called him  :shock: .Mmmm......I don't think that if O.J.had been quiltty,Michael would called him,and more than that,to spent time with his own kids,lol   :)!!! So to me is clear,that's why we had the NEWS PAPER with O.J. INNOCENT at Murray trial ,lol  geek/ this is NOT OVER,is MUCH MORE TO COME  8-)!!!

OJ Simpson - 2004 Interview - part 1
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9Y1L80h4g&feature=related[/youtube]

Thank you Applehead. It's very intriguing to say the least.... so Michael offered a momentary "sanctuary" for OJ after the trial... I have not followed this case at all and know very few about it but something else that intrigues me is what Back said about it:

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6584/ojsimpsonmj.jpg)

"uhmmm, O.J. DID-NOT do it. His son did. I will tell yhe story tomorrow when I have time.
O.J. tried to help clean up the mess his son caused. They wear the same size shoe. Like father like son!"
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: _Anna_ on November 18, 2011, 08:04:45 AM
For me this thing with the seal is clear. The 32 seal is a mistake and it was not made for Murray trial. This was one of the biggest things so far for me, almost a fact that the trial could be fake. It means it isn't. It's obvious it is used like this for more than 10 years in many other trials.

Lately instead of reaching "the end" with arguments that support our theory, everyday we find that what we believed was a mistake. I don't know what to say anymore. I cannot  hide what I feel because otherwise I will explode and I can't tell this to anyone.

With every day that passes by, I loose all hope this will have a good end. No matter how hard I try to keep my head cold, I can't. Too much silence, still no answers.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MaryK on November 18, 2011, 08:24:27 AM
Anna....why do you think the authenticity of the seal is an indicaton that the trial was real?
What about all the other things that do not add up? It´s just a stage prop.... Think about it.....
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sarahli on November 18, 2011, 08:27:36 AM
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For me this things with the seal is clear. The 32 seal is a mistake and it was not made for Murray trial. This was one of the biggest things so far for me, almost a fact that the trial could be fake. It means it isn't. It's obvious it is used like this for more than 10 years in many other trials.

Lately instead of reaching "the end" with arguments that support our theory, everyday we find that what we believed was a mistake. I don't know what to say anymore. I cannot  hide what I feel because otherwise I will explode and I can't tell this to anyone.

With every day that passes by, I loose all hope this will have a good end. No matter how hard I try to keep my head cold, I can't. Too much silence, still no answers.

Maybe that there is an explanation for that but we just don't know what it is and it can still be valid. Time will tell us for sure. And honestly I don't think that the trial being fake only relies on the seal.

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Anna....why do you think the authenticity of the seal is an indicaton that the trial was real?
What about all the other things that do not add up? It´s just a stage prop.... Think about it.....


Agreed.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: _Anna_ on November 18, 2011, 09:06:14 AM
I don't know, I swear I'm exhausted. I can't grab anything from anywhere. This is the only place where I can burst out because there's no one I can share all I feel with, besides my sister.

I reached to a point when I can't uphold myself on anything, I don't know what to keep and what to throw away, because it's too little what I still hold on to.

All I know is that Michael is not here. To describe exactly how I feel, take this hypothetical situation- I feel like my brother had gone to war and the war has ended and he's not on the dead list but not to be found either. I don't know what happened, where he is, if he is safe or not.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: MaryK on November 18, 2011, 09:16:46 AM
Anna.....I know that "stick to the facts" is easily said. I understand that you are exhausted.
But let me say this: if reason and logic fail to appease you at some point, try to listen to your heart.

You know...during the night, you cannot see the sun, yet you know it is there and will rise again in the morning.

 bearhug
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sarahli on November 18, 2011, 10:02:24 AM
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I don't know, I swear I'm exhausted. I can't grab anything from anywhere. This is the only place where I can burst out because there's no one I can share all I feel with, besides my sister.

I reached to a point when I can't uphold myself on anything, I don't know what to keep and what to throw away, because it's too little what I still hold on to.

All I know is that Michael is not here. To describe exactly how I feel, take this hypothetical situation- I feel like my brother had gone to war and the war has ended and he's not on the dead list but not to be found either. I don't know what happened, where he is, if he is safe or not.

I see, but you are forgetting a lot of things in this scenario Anna, because your brother has left a trail of clues, hints, whispers, details on purpose and all pointing to him being ALIVE and hiding.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: applehead250609 on November 18, 2011, 11:43:37 AM
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Thank you Applehead for the link. Yes follow your heart dear.  bearhug

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The photo was taken in 2004, NOT at the OJ trial in 1994.
 
Then the "fake" seal falls. Again something strong falls, that's what it means.

I wonder why some people are happy?

It sounds impossible to be an error, but it is. It wasn't made for Murray's trial only. That means it's not fake. Just an error.

Who are the happy people you are talking about?  lolol/

Concerning the seal ... what if it helps the hoax because of just that, it's a Hoax! That's when the seal (even if it's just a mistake) plays in. It's like the Hoax will activate its function??? Do I make sense?  geek/

Sarahli please listen to what O.J. Simpson has to say about Michael and his LOVE for children.Also he CLEARLY states that Michael invited him in 1994 ,after trial,at Neverland ,to spent some time with his children  :shock:!!!! He said Michael personally called him  :shock: .Mmmm......I don't think that if O.J.had been quiltty,Michael would called him,and more than that,to spent time with his own kids,lol   :)!!! So to me is clear,that's why we had the NEWS PAPER with O.J. INNOCENT at Murray trial ,lol  geek/ this is NOT OVER,is MUCH MORE TO COME  8-)!!!

OJ Simpson - 2004 Interview - part 1
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9Y1L80h4g&feature=related[/youtube]

Thank you Applehead. It's very intriguing to say the least.... so Michael offered a momentary "sanctuary" for OJ after the trial... I have not followed this case at all and know very few about it but something else that intrigues me is what Back said about it:

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6584/ojsimpsonmj.jpg)

"uhmmm, O.J. DID-NOT do it. His son did. I will tell yhe story tomorrow when I have time.
O.J. tried to help clean up the mess his son caused. They wear the same size shoe. Like father like son!"


 OMG! OMG! OMG!!!! Sarahli this is mind blowing  :shock: .This mean  O.J. is innocent and even BACK told us. I was on wikipedia and what Back said about O.J.Simpson's son is written there also  :shock: :

Alternative murderer theory

An alternative theory is that Simpson's son, Jason Simpson, committed the murders. This is the central theory of a book by private investigator William Dear titled O.J. is Guilty, But Not of Murder.[61] Published in 2000, the book was the result of a six-year investigation by Dear. He attempted to explain Simpson's incriminating behavior and the incriminating evidence. In the book, Dear claimed numerous elements to support his theory.

The book is also the basis of a documentary film, including new evidence, entitled The Overlooked Suspect, released in late 2007.


Sarahli there is more to this story and I feel it in my heart.Look what Back said also:

Quote
" the earth will tremble.....
 Keep WATCHIN'............."  :
  :shock:

If O.J. is innocent that doesen't still explain what Suzyy said about the beatings and the rest  :? . I still don't know at who was waveing with his hans O.J. ,after the verdict was written at minut 1:07  :shock: . Is like he was looking in a CAMERA and thanking someone for the VERDICT??? Who can be  :?:??


O.J. Simpson Verdict & Reaction
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=infLrZjJpNc [/youtube]

Our dear friend Geraldo Rivera also talked about this case on FOX NEWS  :? . OMG this is starnge,look it seems the police PLANTED EVIDENCE  OMG! !!! OMG Sarahli!!!! The gloves did not fit on O.J. hands!!!And look at the people outside the court,how happy they are,is like at Murray trial  :?!!!

OJ Simpson Case - Unanswered Questions - part 2
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crs9XkCqZPQ[/youtube]

Did you saw the picture with O.J. and his famous GLOVES  :????? LOOK!!!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PLopihIXUaA/ThPWxnZq-TI/AAAAAAAAAvc/uy0ttejzgbw/s1600
/oj+simpson+trial+-+if+the+glove+doesn%2527t+fit.jpg)

Sarahli something BIG is/was happening right in front of our eyes,but no one even noticed  :?!!! Tell me what you think please.Thank you.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Sarahli on November 18, 2011, 02:55:31 PM
Hi Applehead thanks for the information. The truth is that I'm confused so I can't really tell something interesting about all that but there sure is something strange about this story. I was reading this for example "O.J. IS GUILTY BUT NOT OF MURDER" http://www.bookmasters.com/marktplc/rr00554.htm, first chapter of the book by William C. Dear. Maybe we'll learn something new/more about the OJ Simpson case in the near future.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: mjj4ever777 on November 18, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
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Somebody shakes when the wind blows
 Somebody's missing a friend, hold on
 Somebody's lacking a hero
 And they have not a clue
 When it's all gonna end
 
 Stories buried and untold
 Someone is hiding the truth, hold on
 When will this mystery unfold
 And will the sun ever shine
 In the blind man's eyes when he cries?
 
 You can change the world (I can't do it by myself)
 You can touch the sky (Gonna take somebody's help)
 You're the chosen one (I'm gonna need some kind of sign)
 If we all cry at the same time tonight

People laugh when they're feelin sad
 Someone is taking a life, hold on
 Respect to believe in your dreams
 Tell me where were you
 when your children cried last night?
 
 Faces fill with madness
 Miracles unheard of, hold on
 Faith is found in the winds
 All we have to do
 Is reach for the truth
 
 And when that flag blows
 There'll be no more wars
 And when all calls
 I will answer all your prayers
 
 Change the world
 

(Cry lyrics)

Thank you Grace for your posts... This song Cry, says soooooo much doesn't it?

Sending you Blessings LOVE and LIGHT always!
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Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: PureLove on November 18, 2011, 03:31:07 PM
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Anna.....I know that "stick to the facts" is easily said. I understand that you are exhausted.
But let me say this: if reason and logic fail to appease you at some point, try to listen to your heart.

You know...during the night, you cannot see the sun, yet you know it is there and will rise again in the morning.

 bearhug

 /bravo/ Perfectly said Mary, I couldn't agree more. Anna instead of focusing on the seal issue, think about the other oddities we found in the court. Murray didn't even stand up when the verdict was read but in real trials people HAVE TO stand up! They said ALLEGED victim for Michael which was never heard in real trials. Alleged means NOT PROVEN! How could they sentence a man who ALLEGEDLY killed an ALLEGED victim on an ALLEGED day? They cuffed Murray while the judge was talking but even in murder verdicts they do NOT cuff people. Think about these and think once again if this trial could be real or not. ;)

Here is a video for you to watch.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSC9DQ0sU7o&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Grace on November 19, 2011, 09:20:29 AM
As to OJ Simpson, I recognize that I am jumping to conclusions without disposing of a summary of steelhard facts.
Yet from reading, hearing and watching only pieces from afar, I immediately said that OJ had been framed in his trials. The activities of Mr. Goldman always have been suspicious to me.

Interestingly, FBI was said to be involved in the 2007 case - and this not to their advantage.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307757,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307757,00.html)
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/sep/17/fbi-expert-testifies-simpson-robberykidnapping-tri/ (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/sep/17/fbi-expert-testifies-simpson-robberykidnapping-tri/)
Not all evidence presented then could be proven to be authentic.
Hmmm. Who's black and who's white here?

Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: Suzy7 on November 20, 2011, 05:11:42 AM
 That is interesting info Grace, but all of this info does not even stack up against the evidence that OJ was guilty due to his OWN incriminating behaviour.

 I've read about the son being the killer theory, and still there is nothing that shows motive nor evidence. OJ had more than enough of both.

 I'm still befuddled as to how people can ignore the victim herself. If he was innocent of the crime of murder, which I doubt, he was more than guilty of being abusive. She had proof of this, so did the police. If he was innocent, why further incriminate yourself by writing a book that details the grizzly murders? Going by logic and facts, she said many times he was going to kill her and there was documented evidence to corroborate that allegation.
The most threatening time in terms of a domestic violence relationship is when the woman is trying to leave, and after. *Most* women end up murdered at the hands of their abuser, OJ's case isn't unusual unfortunately. Not every high profile case and every thing we've ever seen is a conspiracy, though much is.

@Applehead The people were cheering because it became a case about race, which it shouldn't have. The African-Americans cheered because they felt vindication for other injustices IMO. This was a time when a black man who looked more than guilty, was able to get the 'not guilty' verdict in a case where the victim's are white. Almost unheard of.
And the glove would have fit if he put it on right lol. He obviously didn't even try, not only that but leather shrinks when wet. It was soaking in blood. I think MJ offered him to stay at Neverland because he has a good heart and I'm sure he cared first for the children of OJ and Nicole, versus OJ himself. Remember, their mother had just been murdered. Or maybe, MJ believed OJ was innocent for various reason's, including maybe being misinformed.
There is a reason OJ is in prison.

 In the end, this has nothing to do with the Murray trial in my opinion.
@Anna There is MUCH more to the trial that proves it a sham, than the seal.
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: paula-c on November 23, 2011, 07:06:36 PM
California  |  Medical Malpractice
11/11/11, 5:27 pmLegal QuestionAttorneys Only: Answer this Question
Why in the Conrad Murray case, during the verdict Michael Jackson was still stated as alleged victim?and waht does alleged date means?


Verdict:

Superior court of California Los Angeles County. The people of the state of California plaintiff versus Conrad Robert Murray defendant. Case number SA-073164. Title of court and cause. We the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant Conrad Robert Murray guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. In violation of penal code section 192 subsection B alleged victim Michael Joseph Jackson alleged date of June 25th 2009 as charged in count I of the information





Legal Answer When the verdict form was drafted, Jackson was still an "alleged" victim, because Dr. Murray was then presumed innocent. Obviously, that's no longer true.

Michael Stone

Law Offices of Michael B. Stone Toll Free 1-855-USE-MIKE
3020 Old Ranch Parkway, Suite 300
Seal Beach, CA 90740





http://www.lawguru.com/legal-questions/-/conrad-murray-case-verdict-michael-119617113/a


Response without sense :!: :?
Title: Re: Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far
Post by: voiceforthesilent on November 25, 2011, 08:25:49 AM
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11/11/11, 5:27 pmLegal QuestionAttorneys Only: Answer this Question
Why in the Conrad Murray case, during the verdict Michael Jackson was still stated as alleged victim?and waht does alleged date means?


Verdict:

Superior court of California Los Angeles County. The people of the state of California plaintiff versus Conrad Robert Murray defendant. Case number SA-073164. Title of court and cause. We the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant Conrad Robert Murray guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. In violation of penal code section 192 subsection B alleged victim Michael Joseph Jackson alleged date of June 25th 2009 as charged in count I of the information





Legal Answer When the verdict form was drafted, Jackson was still an "alleged" victim, because Dr. Murray was then presumed innocent. Obviously, that's no longer true.

Michael Stone

Law Offices of Michael B. Stone Toll Free 1-855-USE-MIKE
3020 Old Ranch Parkway, Suite 300
Seal Beach, CA 90740





http://www.lawguru.com/legal-questions/-/conrad-murray-case-verdict-michael-119617113/a


Response without sense :!: :?

Thank you, Paula. That answer doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? Because if that were the case every verdict would read the same. Either that or somehow they remove the "alleged" when reading it out loud?

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