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Title: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: finfin on October 02, 2011, 11:21:14 AM

MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
MJHoaxEvidence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=feedu

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=feedu [/youtube]
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Post by: Snoopy71 on October 02, 2011, 11:34:11 AM
Excellent video! /bravo/ ....thank you
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Post by: AThousandTimes on October 02, 2011, 11:53:29 AM
Seriously, a 100 Thumbs Up... this week was tough for me and I almost lost my faith in the hoax. But this thing about the stretcher is simply amazing. It's not just asuming that they are not using the old stretchers anymore, it is a confirmation. This video just gave me all my faith back.
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on October 02, 2011, 01:39:00 PM
Awesome research!  /bravo/
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Post by: blankie on October 02, 2011, 01:48:06 PM
Wonderful !!  /woohoo/ /woohoo/ They thought to stop and instead gave us further confirmation!!!! lolol/ michael-jackson/ Great adventure !!!!! michael-jackson/ mj_dance/ bearhug Thanks for this video !!!!






 moonwalk_/
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: BabyShine on October 02, 2011, 03:26:58 PM
I also think this is an excellent video, and I love the way things were investigated.
However, what bothers me is that the first guy still said that some hospitals might still be using the old ones...so it doesnt make it completely impossible that Michae'ls bed belongs to the old series. And also, when the manager is being asked if they still use the old series, would it give a nice picture of his hospital if he would answer with a yes, in case they do still use old series? I mean, he doesn't know who is on the phone, and he'd rather "sell" his hospital as an hospital as modern as possible... and not as one using old beds! Or am I being negative?
WHATEVER, I still think that this video shows a very good point and that the chances are not big so that uCLA medical center have let MICHAEL JACKSON laying on a old bed, and also, is it supposed to be again a coincidence that the bad serie is called Renaissance????? I guess not /woohoo/
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Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on October 02, 2011, 04:10:57 PM
Great video and excellent research. MJHE is my hero  /woohoo/
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on October 02, 2011, 04:16:55 PM
Great investigation. I think this video is convincing enough to keep the faith (at least to me :) )
L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: applehead250609 on October 02, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
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MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
MJHoaxEvidence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=feedu

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=feedu [/youtube]

Oh boy this video is awesome  /bravo/!!!!!Thank you finfin  :)!!!
Two things I have to say about this video:
First I'm surprised about the comparision with JFK - Director's Cut movie,because some time ago dmovie27 had on his channel the movie trailer,Mmmmmmmm.Something is fishy here and I think there are alot of people involved in this hoax,  ;)lol.
Second Michael has a large knotted bone on the side of both of his wrists,that I dont see in this photo,lol.The PHOTO IS FAKE 100%  8-).LOVE to all!!!


Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: PureLove on October 02, 2011, 05:37:28 PM
Great research!  /bravo/ 
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Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 02, 2011, 05:59:23 PM
OMG! /bravo/ God bless this person who did this research.. First of all when a person is dead they cover the sheet on them for respect. Even if they wanted to take a picture they would at lease cover the person a little as you can see the sheets are down up to his feet almost.  You can see this is not Michael, When I saw that picture I automatically said this is photoshopped.
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Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 02, 2011, 06:22:29 PM
all I can say is holy !@#$.....

I thought the stretcher looked rather older looking, my daughter was in the ICU a few weeks ago at our naval hospital and they are also using Stryker prime models...

In fact, even in the ER, they were the curved rail models....I didn't notice any of the older stretchers in there, everything was rather uniform...all the rooms in the ER and the rooms in the ICU all had newer Stryker models.

We have a DR appt tomorrow at the hospital, perhaps I can get a better look at their stretchers and see if they in fact have older models they are using, or what their policy is about using older models.
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Post by: sandythyme on October 02, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
Thank you!!!  What a brillient mind to think of researching the stretcher!!  Bravo, Bravo and  /bravo/ Everyone's mind works so differently.  I would have never thought to have looked into that!!  Thank You, Thank You....I feel especially happy at this time!!!  Love to All
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: RK on October 03, 2011, 02:57:51 AM
Awesome work and  brilliantly researched, now this is an investigator.  bow/ /bravo/
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: Yambo3003 on October 03, 2011, 03:21:04 AM
 Tremenda investigacion!  /bravo/
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: Adi on October 03, 2011, 03:25:01 AM
Great research and video.
 
I have always really liked the video's made by MJHoaxEvidence...they are the videos I send to my "non-believer" friends and family  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: willddoMJ on October 03, 2011, 04:00:07 AM
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Great research and video.
 
I have always really liked the video's made by MJHoaxEvidence...they are the videos I send to my "non-believer" friends and family  :mrgreen:
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Post by: becca26 on October 03, 2011, 04:18:28 AM
What about Sedars Cinai Medical Center, remember rumours of MJ being there? Wonder if the strechers could be from there? ( I still think he is alive by the way) Just wanted to go back to June 25th 09 to see if anything stood out.
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Post by: loyalfan on October 03, 2011, 04:38:45 AM
 OMG! OMG! OMG! this is awesome...very well done...it made me so happy.......my only question.....i just wonder if when the guy said they got rid of the stretchers.....................would it have been...POST 2009 ???????
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Post by: TheSecret on October 03, 2011, 04:46:33 AM
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Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 03, 2011, 06:40:01 AM
Something just occured to me....on friday during the trial, the prosecution spent a lot of time asking Dr. Cooper about the emergency room equipment. DESCRIBE THIS, DESCRIBE THAT, WHAT'S THIS, WHAT'S THAT....and going over all this equipment in the ER room, and at the time I'm thinking what the heck is he getting at?  :?


Now this "debunking" the gurney in the "death photo" makes sense....but there are two loose ends.
 
Can anyone check pictures to see if ....

1) the gurney coming off the ambulance matches the "death" picture
2) the gurney in the ER room matches the "death" picture
 
The court testimony continues today with Dr. Cooper, so I'm sure they will show the pictures of the ER room again (gurney), but in light of this new research, it does make you take a closer look at the "equipment" involved.
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: Grace on October 03, 2011, 07:16:35 AM
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 MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
 MJHoaxEvidence
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=feedu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=feedu)
 
 [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=feedu [/youtube]
 

 
 Excellent.
 
 Just wanted to add that Ronald Reagan Medical Center is almost "brand new" so it is per se highly questionable they would use outdated stretchers.
 
 The hospital moved into the new building and facilities in June 2008.
 http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ronald-reagan-ucla-medical-center-52446.aspx (http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ronald-reagan-ucla-medical-center-52446.aspx)
 http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/world-class-ronald-reagan-ucla-52460.aspx (http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/world-class-ronald-reagan-ucla-52460.aspx)
 
 
 If you want to check how they moved a whole hospital (many more videos on youtube):
 [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKA_nQk15AY[/youtube]
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKA_nQk15AY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKA_nQk15AY)
 
 The new hospital opened its doors for diplomatic and public tours prior to opening the hospital for patients.
 http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-to-host-nearly-60-foreign-51701.aspx (http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-to-host-nearly-60-foreign-51701.aspx)
 (Great occasion for taking a look, getting an orientation and asking questions, right?)
 
 Videos of these tours are to be found at vimeo and youtube e.g.
 http://vimeo.com/738766 (http://vimeo.com/738766) (Feb 2008)
 
 [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHMOJA2ZMn4[/youtube]
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHMOJA2ZMn4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHMOJA2ZMn4)
 
 This link allows for virtual touring inside of the buildings (drag the images with your mouse - enjoy...):
 http://www.uclahealth.org/virtualtours/reagan/tourfiles/flash/index.html (http://www.uclahealth.org/virtualtours/reagan/tourfiles/flash/index.html)
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 03, 2011, 07:25:23 AM
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Thanks for posting! I asked earlier that this be posted in the TIAI sept. 27 thread just because of its relation to hoax court. (I couldn't post due to the device I was on). Its a huge clue and a hoax photo will always be admissible in a 'hoax court' ofcourse :) .
Either way im glad this was posted for people who are feeling discouraged to see.
Well researched. Well done mjhoaxevidence.
The other details shouldn't be looked over either. The hospital gown, and IV (hence the tape). Why would a dead man need an IV? Lol Not to mention photos like these aren't used in court from what im aware of, let alone even taken in the first place.

Exactly, and didn't the EMT's testify the IV line was in MJ's leg???? ???/ If he was already pronounced "dead", why would they run an IV line in his arm?


They testify that MJ had pajama pants on (no shirt apparently because Senneff said he could see MJ's "ribs"), yet in the death photo MJ is in a hospital gown. So they took the time to dress him without removing the condom catheter, and then placed an IV in his arm?!

 WTF??
 
....hmmmm, So if the EMT's and not the hospital put the new IV line in for the sodium bicarbonate (?) while in transport, how did the hospital dress him in the gown after the fact without removing the breathing tube and catheter? Doesn't the robe goe on backwards... :?


This "death" photo is starting to look more like a photoshopped post-op photo of MJ (if it's semi real)...and according to when the "renaissance" series stretcher as mentioned in the video was in use, the photo would have to have been taken sometime between 1991-2003.


I'm sure the Coroner will be called to testify...I wonder what photos will we see from that?!

...this isn't the end...it's only the beginning :lol:
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: Solid121 on October 03, 2011, 08:15:37 AM
Although I believe the photo is fake, we must remember that the conversation with the UCLA Manager happened this year and he said "we did have some old stretchers but we got rid of them", Michael "died" in 2009, 2 years ago at which time they may still have had old stretchers.


I think a question we should be asking is how is it that Mr. Senneff failed to recognize the patient as Michael Jackson? It is clear (to me anyway) that the person in this picture is definitely MJ and if the testimonies are anything to go by, this is more or less the view they would have had of him as they came into the bedroom, but obviously in real life (meaning better quality!)




Surely this is not an "official" photograph, (for whatever reason they would need to take it) because of the quality. So here are more questions we need to ask...


1) Who would have taken it?
2) How would they have been allowed to take it?
3) What purpose would it serve?
4) How was this picture allowed to be shown in court?


I think all these questions are important.


I don't know much about court procedures, but from what I have seen of the trial so far, it seems to me that all evidence has to be shown to both parties (and the judge?) before it can be shown to the Jury, to make sure it is relevant and admissible as evidence. I highly doubt that Murray's team or the judge, would allow this photo to be shown as not only does it have the word "Homicide" plastered on it, which is objectionable to begin with as it is 'leading, loaded and speculative', but it has no real purpose, except to convince the Jury and the viewing millions around the world, including us, that Michael is dead (just incase I suppose there were a few BeLIEvers on the bench as well!).


So why would someone have taken it in the first place? You would think it must have been taken by some sort of official for some sort of purpose as it has not been leaked before the trial? This would lead me to believe that it would have been kept secret in a locked file, either with the Coroner's office or the Police/Ambulance crews or even one of MJ's Security such as Alverez. But Why?


Did they know when they took it, that it would later be needed to show in court? How could they know this?


In My Opinion, this is not an Official photograph (another reason why it should not have been allowed to been shown in the court!) Not only is the quality to poor, but it does not show a proper likeness to the person it is supposed to be, with the medical apparatus still connected to the person's face, it is not possible to positively identify the person as Michael Jackson. If it was a Coroner's photo or a Police photo, not only would the quality be a lot better, but there would also be more than one. There would be a different one that shows the patient without the medical apparatus still connected. Coroner/Police - RULED OUT


We know that Alverez (from his testimony) was on guard "outside the room where Michael was placed after he died", which from the evidence video has a window view through to it. But he was too busy making sure that no-one at all entered the room. He had a cell phone with him, but why would he want to take a picture of Michael laying dead? and he certainly would not have been able to hand it to prosecution lawyers, then be used as a witness - RULED OUT!


The only other people allowed in that room (that we saw and heard of during the evidence video) were Police officers and nurses. Well, typically, nurses are not allowed to carry cell phones whilst on duty (mainly due to interference of medical equipment) and they certainly wouldn't need to take a picture for any purpose. I'm not sure whether Police are allowed to carry cell phones whilst on duty, But would they risk losing their job for the sake of a photograph of a dead Michael Jackson? And If they took it secretly, why didn't they leak it anonymously for millions of dollars? How, if they did take it secretly, did it end up being used in a Manslaughter trial? - RULED OUT!


Not only this, but the position of the security camera in the hospital would have showed someone entering the room to take a picture and from the video that was shown in court, nobody enters that room, but they would have the whole tape of the time Alverez was guarding for evidential purpose, so if the picture was taken secretly (and unlawfully) the defence team would have been able to shoot it down in flames right from the start!


It's a mystery to say the least, but sometimes the answer is hidden in plain sight.
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: reveron1958 on October 03, 2011, 08:21:56 AM
fatalkiss26 posted this on another thread.....

(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/166979_255657491142429_100000945392083_666942_1043756895_n.jpg)

Could this be when this photo was from?

Is the stretcher the same?
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: loyalfan on October 03, 2011, 11:06:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlWqNX6iJ64 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlWqNX6iJ64)   here is a video of a transplant done  at UCLA just days before mj "died".........notice the "new" type stretchers are used.............................just trying to help here guys...xxxxx
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: Aintnosunshine on October 03, 2011, 12:50:10 PM



Are we sure that this pic is supposed to be shot at UCLA?  Can`t it be made at the Coroner`s as well?


 
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: Grace on October 03, 2011, 02:08:12 PM
The most intriguing aspect is the expression "re-naissance" means "re-birth" and that a "striker" is, well, heading speedy for the goal.
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Post by: Love4MJ on October 03, 2011, 02:26:33 PM
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Post by: patman on October 03, 2011, 04:54:54 PM
omgggggg what a vid ...thank you so much :)
the question is now....when did ucla get rid off there old stretchers....before or after 2009 .....
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: Grace on October 03, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
They moved into brandnew facilities in June 2008. I don't think that the old stretchers made it into there.

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Post by: TheSecret on October 03, 2011, 06:53:35 PM
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Post by: fatalkiss26 on October 03, 2011, 11:33:58 PM
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@Snoopy71 exactly.  The details are very important because they show that the witness testimony contradicts the presented 'evidence'. An IV wouldn't be needed if the man wasn't even breathing, his breathing would need to be stabilized first. But, as the witness' all testified, he was dead when they arrived, and remained so at the hospital.
 The question would then be why, if he was dead, did they bother putting him in a hospital gown? Normally they cover deseased patients with a sheet and remove all clothing. And why would he still have an IV attatched to him at all or any time if he never had a pulse to begin with?

@Solid121 you pose great questions the media hasn't even attempted to ask. Why would the photo be taken at all and by who?
Did they have prior knowledge that this could be used in a future trial? And why would such a photo be admissible as evidence at all? As you stated the only thing this photo shows is that he was alledgedly dead on June 25th, it does not show a crime was comitted against him. Death photos are used in court all the time. But usually crime scene photos showing the victim at the scene, certainly not candid hospital or autopsy photos unless they show strong evidence of a crime.

 As for the gurney, the video shows that the hospital was using the newer models in 2009 just weeks before Michael would be taken there. Even if they had the old models which I dont believe they did in 2009, the newer beds would be accessible on the floors with the most activity i.e. emergency rooms ect, because they would be preferred for staff to use.

Edit: If anyone has any knowledge on IVs being used on patients with no pulse upon hospital arrival that would be helpful. But the gurney is a huge clue in itself.


I just solidified that gurney video here:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20587.625.html


Also, no, if his body was dead, no pulse, no heartbeat, they will not give you iv fluids.
each "stretcher...gurney" has an iv stand equipped with it, it pulls up from the back and can be pulled down when not in use.


Read my post, had a nice long conversation with an EMT and the ER staff in regards to the Stryker beds and posted a clear pic of the newer ones being used. This should tell you how fake his autopsy photo is.
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: msgitm on October 04, 2011, 01:09:28 AM
This is posted in the wrong section but I don’t know where anything is on the new forum, sorry!

Anyway, something that has bothered me about the testimonies of the EMT’s and the ER doctors is that not one of them mentioned using a defibrillator on MJ. My father passed away from a heart attack (he was gone instantly) but the first thing the paramedics did when they arrived was establish an airway and then use electrical shocks to try to start his heart. Sadly it didn’t work but I would think this is something that all paramedics would use in cases like this. Or did I miss that part?
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Post by: TheSecret on October 04, 2011, 01:49:56 AM
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Post by: ForstAMoon on October 04, 2011, 01:57:08 AM
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Are we sure that this pic is supposed to be shot at UCLA?  Can`t it be made at the Coroner`s as well?

I believe there are different stretchers at coroner's office same as different set of mattresses, sheets and most probably no pillows... ;)
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Post by: hope on October 04, 2011, 02:24:17 AM
Well, I never in a million years thought I would ever feel this way, but I AM beginning to feel the pic is real.
* The two ambulance pic and hosp.pic match, and are the same person at the same time (day,year, whatever). The sideburns are the same, The curls are there (in the hosp.pic, I think his hair is under his neck and back)his hair was long, but so were his curls. There is NO WAY to tell in that hosp. pic if his hair was straight, IMO. On another forum, the two pics are blown up, side by side and rotated straight up and down...they are the same.
* Michael had an oxygen tube in his nose that Murray had in, and is still on him in the ambulance. If you also notice, the very same asperatus piece that is in his mouth in the ambulance, is also the very same piece that is in his mouth in the hosp. pic. It is just that the bag or anything the ER used has been disconnected from it in the hosp.pic. They had also started an IV in his jugular in the ambulance to give the rounds of meds. There would have been tubing for that as well. It also appears to me that they have a line coming out of his left hand.
* Keep in mind that the CORONER is the one that has to remove all of this, and Michael was being transported by helicopter.
* I have looked at these photos all wknd until I just cant anymore  , but I have come to my own conclusion that the pic is real.
* It is MY BELIEF ONLY that the tape above his lip is to hold the oxygen tubing in place. The tape on his chin is to hold the asperatus in place (just happenes to be a different color tape or a different type used. The abnormal looking arm is the IV tubing being taped from his neck and down his arm to his hand. When the pic of his arm is zoomed, it is easy to tell it is tape.
* I think the gown was put on him out of common courtesy and dignity, and for his children to see him.
* From working in many Nursing Homes and having many people die on me, it is very easy to close the eyes. I would assume they did this before his children seen him.
* as for the gurney, they may still have a few old ones that they specifically use for transport to helicopters etc. If they are still in very good shape, I would think they would still get some use out of them, just maybe not in busy hospital use as in operating rooms. When that call was made to UCLA, if that manager thought he may get in some kind of trouble by having an older model by being asked that question, he's not going to admit to it. It may have caught him off guard.
* Where Michaels legs are/went.....I have no idea 
* As for the trial, Its confusing as hell, a big joke, and its what keeps me hanging on today.
* I do think the "death pic" was unnecessary, disrespectful, and something Michael wouldnt do. I'm beginning to think i'ts not fake anymore, and it scares the hell out of me. We are watching a trial of a bunch of freaking idiots and my heart goes out to Michael wherever he is.
* I use to have beautiful images of him when I closed my eyes, singing, dancing and smiling. Now when I close them, all I see is that f#@*ing picture and those hurtful words "signs of a dying heart". Im angry and I feel robbed. They disrespected him in the worst way possible and that pic is plastered all over the world like a trophy prize. I hate it    :evil:
P
lease understand this is only my opinion and I dont mean to upset anyone. Just posted it here for thought.
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: msgitm on October 04, 2011, 02:26:06 AM
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@ msgitm Hi, Im sorry for your loss, but no you didn't miss anything regarding that. There was no mention of those things being done that I'm aware of.
Thank you kindly!  And phew, thought maybe I dozed off during a crucial moment.  MJ didn't need Propofol to cure his insomnia, he just needed Murray's old geezer lawyer to read him a story! He'd be sleeping like a baby in no time!
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: msgitm on October 04, 2011, 02:49:59 AM
@Hope ~ don't lose hope!  Wait for the coroner to try and explain his bit of crappy work. NOTHING in it points to MJ.  As for the picture, there is no way the D.A. would put it up and not warn the family in advance. Especially knowing his 80 year old mother is sitting in the room.  No way!!! It’s evidence and should be entered as such. I don't think they'd show that pic to the world either. All bs, imo.  Look at how many stories have changed so far. Where’s the “frail old man” that was not recognizable? Keep the faith, girl.
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: darkchild on October 04, 2011, 08:16:34 PM
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Are we sure that this pic is supposed to be shot at UCLA?  Can`t it be made at the Coroner`s as well?


 

This is a video that I saved awhile ago from youtube about MJ at the LA Coroner's.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GhKh9NXEdk&NR=1[/youtube]
 
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: mjssoulmate on October 05, 2011, 07:24:42 PM
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MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
MJHoaxEvidence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=feedu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=feedu)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob5sbMmzcfQ&feature=feedu [/youtube]

I appreciate the video and the research that went into it, however it doesn't answer all questions.  For example: when did UCLA switch from the old to the new model?  When did they get rid of the extras of the old model.  Do we know for sure that the emergency room had no old models in the wing?  What model was used to transport the body from UCLA to the coroners, or did the coroner supply his own gurney?
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: likemike on October 05, 2011, 09:31:16 PM
The lady that testified today from the coroner's office said that she took this picture and the others at UCLA hospital, which is not the coroner's office.
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: hagitg on October 09, 2011, 01:32:25 AM
I love this guy's videos, he's doing some excellent research work.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ob5sbMmzcfQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: MJonmind on October 09, 2011, 02:11:34 AM
So cool this guy has gone to this trouble to dig deeper!  respect/  So-o maybe MJ purchased an old Stryker Renaissance on E-Bay. In the video exhibit in court of MJ's body (so-called) in the side room it is clearly the same stretcher but you only see a glimpse of MJ's hair. Outside the room many are milling around and I believe some security briefly goes into the room.  To me this means all these people are in on the hoax because they would know it's not standard equipment and see the body has no legs. MJ has gotten clearance with the hospital to use this section for this time period probably for a sizable donation for their ongoing needs, and he's brought in his own equipment. I'm guessing it's a head and torso dummy or the Leave Me Alone dummy with the legs cut off.  I sincerely believe the old model and half dummy are gifts to us hoaxers, clear clues that MJ's behind it and is alive and well. ;)
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: applehead250609 on October 09, 2011, 02:19:12 AM
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I love this guy's videos, he's doing some excellent research work.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ob5sbMmzcfQ[/youtube]

Yes Hagitg he/she makes super hoax-videos!!! 8-)
Here is another topic about this subject,so if you are kind please post there,ok  ;)????
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 02:32:55 AM
I know this is off topic but , how are videos from youtube posted on here w/o the link and showing just the actual video?
Title: Re: MJHoaxEvidence MICHAEL JACKSON DEATH PHOTO- TRUTH or TAMPERED?
Post by: hagitg on October 09, 2011, 02:43:28 AM
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I know this is off topic but , how are videos from youtube posted on here w/o the link and showing just the actual video?

there's a youtube button in the menu - you just mark the link to the vidoe and click on it :)
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