Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The Conrad Murray Investigation & Court Case => After June 25, 2009 => Court Case & Hearings; Discussion and Articles => Topic started by: Mish1981 on October 06, 2011, 12:40:03 PM
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Right now in court Fleak (Coroners Investigator) is on the stand and the Defense (Ed) is cross examining her. So far these are the things that just aren't adding up (thanks to the help from everyone in the chat right now /bravo/):
-She has said that she destroys her original notes after she makes her report. Why? Ed asked her why her response "I always destroy them after I write the report". Ed then asked her (along the lines of) - "Is your report correct"? Her response "It was at the time".... What professional does this?
-She moved evidence prior to taking photos of their original placement?
-Finger (thumb) print is found on the syringe on the table? How is that possible if she was wearing gloves? Oh that's right at some point and time she took them off for one reason or another she can't remember.
- Ed asked her if she remembered having a particular conversation with him at the Coroners office, she can't remember Flanagan being there along with another attorney but she can remember others being there. She also can't remember questions that we asked. Etc. BUT she can remember exactly where a propofol bottle was on the floor? Is that because maybe she put it there? Hmm who knows?
- Regarding what was said above: She corrected her notes after the said conversation with Ed and other attorneys regarding evidence.
-Ed showed her photos that the DA had showed her yesterday, then showed her another photo of the same scene with objects moved, of course she can't remember if she took the photo or if it was the LAPD Investigator.
- She was on the ball yesterday when the DA asked her questions regarding photos and evidence. Today, well not so much. Of course she could go back to her notes if she had them. Again remember those were destroyed because "she does this with all of the cases".
Here is how this helps Michael -
As we know Murray is Michael at least metaphorically during this entire hoax. From the very beginning he has been playing his part of being the bad guy and the media has eaten it up like it was a sweet. Now, we also know that they did the same to Michael. Murray has claimed his innocence from day one (remember the youtube video: the troot will prevail). Furthermore as we all know and get sick over is the DA tried to convict Michael by any means necessary and we unsuccessful (of course), the DA is trying to do the same to Murray now. Do I agree with their claim that Michael did it? No but I'll explain why I think they are in a different post.
With the DA putting out all of this evidence it looks damning against Murray. It puts a sour image in everyones's mind. The same way the DA did with Michael. What the DA is doing now is with Fleak is proving that the prosecution is able to paint a picture any way they want and present evidence to their needs and liking. It is also proving that the "experts" aren't as professional as they are suppose to be. Of course this all helps out with the 'hoax/sting' debate. The sting in this court is becoming clearer as each witness comes to the stand and proves that what we hear at first is not what it really is and because we have been watching everything in intricate details for the past two years we are noticing.
*I will probably add more as her testimony continues.
**If I have missed anything PLEASE add!
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Anyone else see MJ's funeral, memorial, or TII booklet in Chernoff's pic with the tubing hanging over the nob? It was a white booklet with MJ in gold. Need refreshing on what that booklet is... anyone?
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Anyone else see MJ's funeral, memorial, or TII booklet in Chernoff's pic with the tubing hanging over the nob? It was a white booklet with MJ in gold. Need refreshing on what that booklet is... anyone?
Looked suspicious to me too, need closeup and to refresh my memory what else it could be.. too..
guys help us!
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If anyone grabbed a screenshot of Exhibit AA, PLEASE post it.
Thanks.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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I've been looking for that photo online and I'm sure it's not from his Ultimate Collection album, although that pic is white and gold. This seemed to be a booklet.
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If anyone grabbed a screenshot of Exhibit AA, PLEASE post it.
Thanks.
With L.O.V.E. always.
I went through the last 2 hours of the trial, never saw an AA...when the defense started showing their photos, they started at BB ( Bravo, Bravo)
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I think it's from the Ultimate Collection too...with this pic on it (couldn't tell if it was a DVD or booklet though)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5d/MichaelJacksonUltimateCollection.jpg/220px-MichaelJacksonUltimateCollection.jpg)
@Fatalkiss...Exhibit AA (referred to as Alpha Alpha) was a pic of a nightstand (if I'm remembering it correctly). On it was an MJ CD, DVD or booklet with (I think) the above pic as the cover. It also had several photos spread around that I'd like to see again...so if anyone is able to find it, please post it.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Excellent summing up Mish, and thank you for doing it.
The only thing I would add is that although she destroyed her notes from 25th June, because that is what she always does after writing up the official forms, she didn't destroy her notes from 29th because they had more details that she obviously felt worth keeping. At least I believe that is what Ed managed to get from her?
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Great post Mish, thanks. I will watch her testimony on Youtube when I get a chance.
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If anyone grabbed a screenshot of Exhibit AA, PLEASE post it.
Thanks.
With L.O.V.E. always.
Here you go.
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The only thing I would add is that although she destroyed her notes from 25th June, because that is what she always does after writing up the official forms, she didn't destroy her notes from 29th because they had more details that she obviously felt worth keeping. At least I believe that is what Ed managed to get from her?
You might be right, I was writing, listening and trying to keep up with the chat lolol/ . What I don't understand though is if I were going thru the house and it's the first time there, I would keep all of my notes because that was what I noticed the first time I was there. After all we know that the family was there after the 25th or the same day which ever it was and who knows what they might have moved. So let's say that she went in on the 25th and made notes on what she saw, did she destroy those before comparing them to the notes that she took on the 29th to make sure that everything remained the same?
Am I going on the right path with this one? I'll have to think about it. Perhaps I am just OCD about paper work and reports.
Love the feed back, thank you! bearhug
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Great post Mish, thanks. I will watch her testimony on Youtube when I get a chance.
Thanks Moon, maybe you can pick up on things that I missed.
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Thanks a lot Mish...that's the one ::P
And thanks so much for the summary...I missed the first hour or so...so having that is great /bravo/
With L.O.V.E. always.
EDIT: Sorry Melody...I thought it was Mish you posted the pic...I'm all over the place! Thank you ::P
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Sorry, my mistake. Thought for sure the pic was from something other than the The Untimate Collection but I was wrong. Thanks for posting the pic!
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She actually moved the bottle from the floor to the nightstand. They should have asked her what else she moved.
She really emphasized how hindsight helps you think more clearly. (Front and TS points)
This reminds me of the LAPD erasing all but 4 minutes of the security footage because they thought at the time that it was a natural death. LOL
If anyone grabbed a screenshot of Exhibit AA, PLEASE post it.
Thanks.
With L.O.V.E. always.
I went through the last 2 hours of the trial, never saw an AA...when the defense started showing their photos, they started at BB ( Bravo, Bravo)
Could you tell me what exhibit B or BB actually was? Thanks.
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She actually moved the bottle from the floor to the nightstand. They should have asked her what else she moved.
She really emphasized how hindsight helps you think more clearly. (Front and TS points)
This reminds me of the LAPD erasing all but 4 minutes of the security footage because they thought at the time that it was a natural death. LOL
If anyone grabbed a screenshot of Exhibit AA, PLEASE post it.
Thanks.
With L.O.V.E. always.
I went through the last 2 hours of the trial, never saw an AA...when the defense started showing their photos, they started at BB ( Bravo, Bravo)
Could you tell me what exhibit B or BB actually was? Thanks.
The "Naked" juice bottle.
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Mish, thank you so much for sharing your observations with us. I was looking forward what you were going to write. I agree with everything you wrote and actually it was fun today to watch her. She doesn't remember almost anything which made me feel that she has amnesia. :lol:
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Maybe she is the one who got administered propofol and went to her head.. Wow~ what a real circus.. CDS was amazing by the way. Will write about it once I have more time.
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@ PureLove - I agree she has me convinced so far that she's incompetent to do her job. The prosecution tried it's hardest to back pedal but it didn't work. IMO of course.
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Imo, this is pointing more towards 2004-5 when Michael´s house was raided and pics were taken. Michael´s trial was based in false evidence and well, here is an example of how sloppy people can be when working.
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If anyone grabbed a screenshot of Exhibit AA, PLEASE post it.
Thanks.
With L.O.V.E. always.
Here you go.
Is that a picture of the a young Lisa Marie?
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Imo, this is pointing more towards 2004-5 when Michael´s house was raided and pics were taken. Michael´s trial was based in false evidence and well, here is an example of how sloppy people can be when working.
Exactly MissG!!!
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when listening to that woman I could not resist to think about this joke...
2 policemen working on an accident...
while one is talking about the scene, the other is writing down what he says...
police talking:-"leg on the right side of the road, arm on the left side, head on the slope near the accident.."
police writing asks:-"how do you spell slope?", "with one or 2 p"?
the police talking kicks the head away...and says...:-"head on the left side of the road"
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Argh, Rai here.
Can't believe someone would be so improper as to destroy their notes. Gets you wondering, hm?
I think that the Notes from June 25th would've been more relevant than the Notes taken on June 29th, since there would've been more Evidence surely. Fingerprints were never explained either, just assumed to be from moving the Table, I guess? wonder when we're going to get straight answers...
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when listening to that woman I could not resist to think about this joke...
2 policemen working on an accident...
while one is talking about the scene, the other is writing down what he says...
police talking:-"leg on the right side of the road, arm on the left side, head on the slope near the accident.."
police writing asks:-"how do you spell slope?", "with one or 2 p"?
the police talking kicks the head away...and says...:-"head on the left side of the road"
lolol/
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WTF??Well Flannigan just confused the helle ouuta me and surely most of the jurors would echo those sasme sentiments. /scream/
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Argh, Rai here.
Can't believe someone would be so improper as to destroy their notes. Gets you wondering, hm?
I think that the Notes from June 25th would've been more relevant than the Notes taken on June 29th, since there would've been more Evidence surely. Fingerprints were never explained either, just assumed to be from moving the Table, I guess? wonder when we're going to get straight answers...
That's what I question also. If I were taking notes on the 25th even if it was just a "this is what I saw" kind of thing, I would put the about location and what was next to it etc. You know like little markers. Now not saying that she didn't have her own way of doing this. Then when going back over on the 29th, I would go over the notes that I had written on the 25th to make sure that everything matches up. Again not saying that she didn't do this. But let's be honest it doesn't sound like she did.
Also I'll mention again that another thing that bothers me is we can't forget that the family went into the house between all of this so who's to say Fleak didn't take note of something on the floor and when she came back on the 29th it was moved, either by the family or the other investigator that was there on the 26th. Would she have noticed? That's a question that remains unanswered.
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LaToya was at the house collecting stuff, another point to consider.
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LaToya was at the house collecting stuff, another point to consider.
Read my post above...another example of great minds think alike! /bravo/
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Argh, Rai here.
Can't believe someone would be so improper as to destroy their notes. Gets you wondering, hm?
I think that the Notes from June 25th would've been more relevant than the Notes taken on June 29th, since there would've been more Evidence surely. Fingerprints were never explained either, just assumed to be from moving the Table, I guess? wonder when we're going to get straight answers...
That's what I question also. If I were taking notes on the 25th even if it was just a "this is what I saw" kind of thing, I would put the about location and what was next to it etc. You know like little markers. Now not saying that she didn't have her own way of doing this. Then when going back over on the 29th, I would go over the notes that I had written on the 25th to make sure that everything matches up. Again not saying that she didn't do this. But let's be honest it doesn't sound like she did.
Also I'll mention again that another thing that bothers me is we can't forget that the family went into the house between all of this so who's to say Fleak didn't take note of something on the floor and when she came back on the 29th it was moved, either by the family or the other investigator that was there on the 26th. Would she have noticed? That's a question that remains unanswered.
Exactly, you wouldn't destroy the notes otherwise you'd have a bad case! All notes are important.
Odd how the Family would've gone back Home...
Each time I watch this, this Trial is losing so much credibility to me.
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back in 2004-5 false evidence was put on display inside michael´s house...now seems like false evidence has also been put in display at mj´s house once again...but this time, who has been the one fooling around?
This just proves that evidence can be manipulated and that LAPD can be crappy...
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LaToya was at the house collecting stuff, another point to consider.
Interesting point....The family members did go in to collect personal effects. I am certain however, the police did not allow the family into the "crime scene" area--->Bedroom#2
But you could look at that fact from two vantage points:
1) Michael had no personal effects/personal belongings in the bedroom#2 that police blocked off where Murray was administering the propofol----(which would explain why the family would have been able to collect/access Michaels personal things from his main bedroom unhindered)....which leads you to believe this bedroom #2 set up was intentional.
2) Michael and the kids had no "personal effects" in the house at all and the family went in to simply remove "leased" furnishings or objects.....which leads you to believe this bedroom #2 set up was intentional.
All this mucking up of evidence aside...as you look at the pictures in testimony, it's getting harder and harder to fathom that Michael was indeed living here at all. At the time Michael and the kids had been living in the house, they have been there for over 7 months...yet there are very little signs of any personalization in the rooms.
I don't think Fleak messed up....I think she was doing what she was told to do. The destroying the notes would eliminate any descrepancies with the complete report if you had the two "side by side". You also have to remember, LAPD was collecting evidence and photographing items (they are seperate agencies working together).
The fact that the lawyers (defense & prosecution) made a stipulation to the fingerprints in the room (meaning there will be no direct testimony from LAPD officers regarding the findings) says they are not focusing on the "scene" itself, but more so Murray's intent. Who put what where is irrelevant...it's a smoke screen to the real issue....->Was Murray responsible?
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Great post Mish. If that had of been me I most definitely would have filed away my notes from the 25th just in case they are needed at a later date.
We are seeing more and more parallels to the bullsh*t 2005 trial and false evidence and handling evidence without gloves by the prosecution. Typical how none of the media vultures have picked this up and reported on it.
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Their exhibit numbering is silly AA, BB, CC....
So what happens after ZZ?
Its like numbering, 11, 22, 33, 44
It should have actually been AA, AB, AC, etc.
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Their exhibit numbering is silly AA, BB, CC....
It's so they can have 'PP' - snigger, snigger!!
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wonder how hard it would be to discover whether this woman actually does destroy old notes?
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I don't think Fleak messed up....I think she was doing what she was told to do.
I agree. Ed C. asked 'Where is Ed Winter?' and was virtually told to shut up. Fleak was carrying out Ed W's orders. Is Ed W. supposed to be testifying?