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Title: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: lorela on October 07, 2011, 05:18:03 AM
I gathered screenshots of pictures that were shown during the testimony of the coroner, Elissa Fleak.

Maybe we'll see something that we missed earlier.

Let's go ...

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Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 07, 2011, 05:25:13 AM
What a nice collection of medical stuff :shock:.
How crazy can  a person be to live surrounded with propofol bottles, seringes, oxygen tanks ans catheters  WTF?? WTF?? WTF??......


Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: GINAFELICIA on October 07, 2011, 05:28:13 AM
Oh and I like that carpet with yellow flowers...I've always wanted such a carpet and couldn't find one.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: curls on October 07, 2011, 05:36:41 AM
Lorela, thanks for posting these.  I gather Ms Fleak was well and truly grilled by good ol' Ed yesterday - and if these photos are anything to go by, she deserved it!  Things have been moved even in the timescale of taking these pictures;  the big book disappears and the MJ dvd, that looks like it may have been underneath, is revealed, the black and white pic gets turned the right way - for starters!

I may be no crime scene expert, but I do know the first rule is don't move or touch anything!
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: lorela on October 07, 2011, 05:52:18 AM
YES, DON'T move and DON'T touch - and those who MAY touch, touch it with gloves!

I don't know - maybe I'm wrong, but isn't this bedroom weird? Would Michael really live in such a room? It looks so old and some things are nasty. Just look at that white couch (where the gloves are) ... He was a perfectionist. Well, maybe it's just me.

What do you think about the doll?

Medicine - I mean really? For ONE man? It's like treating the whole ward of patients ... Was he really monitored EVERY night, with an IV in his leg? Our Michael who was so fond of living healthy was taking SO MANY medicines? And they were "scaterred" all around the room, even with Blanket living there?  WTF??
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 07, 2011, 05:57:12 AM
Didn't she say there was a pack of ciggies on the nightstand?  i don't see them, but I do see an ashtray in the bathroom.  Wonder when Michael started smoking?
 ;D
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: YouRnotAlone7 on October 07, 2011, 06:08:20 AM
There was one bathroom pic (the one with the toilet) that showed a dvd (or vcr?)) tape with a wolf wearing a magician's hat. You have to zoom in to see it.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: curls on October 07, 2011, 06:11:08 AM
Well this has certainly cured me of my desire to be his wife!! Leaving his clothes all over the floor, toilet seat up, boxes everywhere, clutter, junk, stuff - a real man I guess!!

If it were me I'd have someone tidy up a bit IF I was having a doctor in every night to look after me! Ah, but I'm forgetting, a lot of it is the DOCTOR's rubbish!  What happened to keeping medical environments clean and free from possible contamination/infection?

I'll be quiet now!
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Heartsong on October 07, 2011, 06:21:46 AM
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Didn't she say there was a pack of ciggies on the nightstand?  i don't see them, but I do see an ashtray in the bathroom.  Wonder when Michael started smoking?
 ;D

No, remember Anderson said carbon monoxide shows up in smokers? There was none in the toxicology.
 
@Lorela: too true. MJ would have never allowed all that mess of drugs be left laying around for any of his kids to pick up, let alone see. Actually I don't think anyone would leave it laying around unless they were an outright, off with the fairies, junkie, something MJ clearly was not. That mess was total overkill.
 
And why all the empty/half used bottles? Why not just put them in the trash or finish one before opening another? Murray saving them for a crime scene fit for a manslaughter trial?  suspicious//  Would be interesting to know the expiry dates on each of them after opened as well. If it was mentioned I missed it.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: suspicious mind on October 07, 2011, 06:24:40 AM
three lamps and two tables right near the bed. makes me think of someone older who can't see.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: For All Time on October 07, 2011, 06:57:52 AM
Who was living in that bedroom ? Not MJ for sure.And they moved things , worked without gloves...how professional is that ?  WTF??
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: 2good2btrue on October 07, 2011, 07:31:59 AM
Those curtains resemble MJ's "Gold Pants".  I also noticed a knife on the bedstand, nearest to the bed..

What the hell would CM need a knife that size, and near MJ's bed.??

The other thing these pictures remind me of ,  is of a Childrens Hospital"
;D ;D

And I really doubt that Murray would leave those tablets for everyone that lives in that house, to see them...I also noticed no sharps container anywhere....Gee..

What was MJ wearing the night before...??  Was it Earth Song, and if so, then do these clothes on the bathroon floor match what he was wearing???
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Raikiramari on October 07, 2011, 07:36:25 AM
Lol, look at the Bedspread on the 12th picture.
You can see the number 7  :shock:


So anyway, I'm not sure if it's just me but things have definately been moved. For instance the Album on the Dresser Drawers has definately been moved, did they place the album there intentionally? trying to tell us something, methinks.

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And then Ed smothering himself with Popcorn.

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And the Ipadman (/[]._.)/ 
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: 2good2btrue on October 07, 2011, 08:18:09 AM
Spot the differences....No meds on the table, and no oxygen tank...just a few. /toldya/
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Raikiramari on October 07, 2011, 08:22:35 AM
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Spot the differences....No meds on the table, and no oxygen tank...just a few. /toldya/

Thankyou SO MUCH for finding this! Objects WERE placed  OMG!
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 07, 2011, 08:23:39 AM
Pieces that don't fit the puzzle:

Boxes of unpacked clothes (they'd been living there for over 7 months)
a weight scale (why would Michael be checking his weight?)
a fan (Michael was supposedly always cold)
a knife (to cut what?)
naked juice (Kai supposedly made fresh juice)
cigarettes (Michael wasn't a smoker, nor Murray as far as we know)
a telephone (there was no landline, why the phone?)
towels on the floor (if Michael showered there, where are the other toiletries---toothpaste, deodorant, lotion etc...)

.....totally staged  :|
 
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: paula-c on October 07, 2011, 08:50:36 AM
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Pieces that don't fit the puzzle:

Boxes of unpacked clothes (they'd been living there for over 7 months)
a weight scale (why would Michael be checking his weight?)
a fan (Michael was supposedly always cold)
a knife (to cut what?)
naked juice (Kai supposedly made fresh juice)
cigarettes (Michael wasn't a smoker, nor Murray as far as we know)
a telephone (there was no landline, why the phone?)
towels on the floor (if Michael showered there, where are the other toiletries---toothpaste, deodorant, lotion etc...)

.....totally staged  :|
 

 
 
And i assumed that Elissa Fleak he was not asked by the butcher's knife that :lol:
 
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: missudi on October 07, 2011, 08:56:26 AM
It wasnt michael,s house,was it,so he wasnt responsible for all the furniture and decor,neverland was much better,but after neverland,he never really settled anywhere for long.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 07, 2011, 09:09:15 AM
Another thing that's bothering me....All the pictures of baby's...on the dresser, on the chair, a babydoll in the bed.

And then you have propofol (MJ's "Milk") as he called it in baby bags.

....but it doesn't stop there....in Nicole Alvarez testimony she blabbed on and on how Michael was fascinated with her baby, before and after it was born.
 
I know Michael loved children.....but this scene is clearly BABY specific...

.....I just feel like we're missing something here....a HUGE CLUE  suspicious//



This has nothing to do with the trial....I just love this photo of Michael and Prince when he was a baby  ::P
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Sarahli on October 07, 2011, 09:46:06 AM
Concerning the tailcoat that is laying on the bathroom's floor, it reminds me of the jacket Michael is wearing in TII, here (Thriller-Threatened part  suspicious//):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vXrlLtHpJY[/youtube]

Could be?

I agree with you Snoopy there is something going on with the babies theme....... smiley_spider
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Bee Bee on October 07, 2011, 10:12:37 AM
Those of you who say this room's too messy for Michael to sleep in, remember what his room looked like when it was raided in 2003. There was junk all over the place, even his bathroom was packed with stuff that didn't belong there. So, I think it would be pretty typical for him to have a messy room. The only difference, of course, is that this room is packed with mostly prescription drugs, much more so than Neverland was, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: bec on October 07, 2011, 10:28:15 AM

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Doesn't this look like a copy of TII? I mean it's not quite exact but what MJ dvd is this?



Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: bec on October 07, 2011, 10:35:48 AM

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I swear it's the Moonwalker image. Did we miss the similarity between Moonwalker cover pose and TII cover pose all this time???

Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: bec on October 07, 2011, 10:40:31 AM
And that's the commemorative Moonwalker cover art... "in memory of MJ, 1958-2009"... the original cover art pose was this:
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Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: bec on October 07, 2011, 10:48:56 AM
Also, as Badkolo just said, TII graphic is Michael's BACK and Moonwalker graphic is Michael's FRONT.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: PureLove on October 07, 2011, 12:16:01 PM
Lorela, thank you for posting these pictures.

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YES, DON'T move and DON'T touch - and those who MAY touch, touch it with gloves!

I don't know - maybe I'm wrong, but isn't this bedroom weird? Would Michael really live in such a room? It looks so old and some things are nasty. Just look at that white couch (where the gloves are) ... He was a perfectionist. Well, maybe it's just me.

That's exactly what I thought too. It is very hard for me to believe that this is his room. This room looks more like a film set to me.

And yes, what happened to the "using gloves not to leave any fingerprints on" rule? Even Fleak left her fingerprints on the bottles. This is definitely not professional.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: PureLove on October 07, 2011, 12:26:33 PM
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Concerning the tailcoat that is laying on the bathroom's floor, it reminds me of the jacket Michael is wearing in TII, here (Thriller-Threatened part  suspicious//):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vXrlLtHpJY[/youtube]

Could be?


Yes Sarahli. That looked like that coat to me too.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 07, 2011, 12:34:43 PM
Persons who are depressed and don’t sleep don’t realy care what their living space looks like. The same goes for people who are genuises, they usually always live in clutter.  As far as Michael is concerned, he never thought anyone would ever see his room anyway.  Probaby one of the reasons no one was allowed up there.  The remaineder of the home can be immaculate, but their bedrooms are usually always a mess.  It’s the one place where they can go and say to hell with it and it doesn’t phase them at all.  That dvd looks to me like The Ultimate Collection.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 07, 2011, 12:59:39 PM
Also we have to remember that Michael was given so many things from fans that he would keep, and he loved vintage stuff from places like Salvation Army and Goodwill. A room can only hold so much and not become excessively cluttered.  I realy don’t think he cared what the room looked like.  He like most men are not cleaners and since this room wass off limits to all staff including I assume the cleaning crew, it over time became what it is.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Aintnosunshine on October 07, 2011, 02:29:50 PM



Oh my ---- I don`t feel excited about looking into his very private life like this. Imagine it was your bedroom and all the items were discussed in public.


 To me, yes, it looks a bit messy there, but hey, it`s his choice .... nothing to judge on, IMHO.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Snoopy71 on October 07, 2011, 03:24:46 PM
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Oh my ---- I don`t feel excited about looking into his very private life like this. Imagine it was your bedroom and all the items were discussed in public.


 To me, yes, it looks a bit messy there, but hey, it`s his choice .... nothing to judge on, IMHO.

*giggles*...Michael is soooooooo Virgo ;D

I mean no disrespect to my Virgo members, but when I saw the pics of his bedroom today---that screamed "Virgo".  My brother is EXACTLY the same....messy messy messy.., I have two other friends who are EXACTLY the same (both Virgo)..messy, messy, messy...but will walk into a room and personally (their dress/attire etc...) look as clean as the board of health, you'd never know they were messy from the way they present themselves.


Towels everywhere, empty bottles, cartons (NEVER throws anything away) saves EVERYTHING and uses everything to the last drop!  He'll walk out of his underwear and drop them right there in the floor! (My brother that is, not saying Michael, lol).  It was a pain growing up because we shared a bathroom (I'm the neat freak of course). But if anyone came over to visit, he'd scrub clean from ceiling to floor spotless before letting anyone see it...but on a daily use, he didn't feel the need to be tidy. And it wasn't just his room...his car too! Oh God, don't even open the trunk  :shock:


Personally, I don't see anything wrong in seeing into his "inner sanctum"....Michael was human, and very much a man! If it was spotless, I'd have serious reservations it was real!


Michael needed us to believe he was there in that house...I'm convinvced  ;)


***I just wanted to add...the emphasis of the photos was placed on the "pills" and medications in the room...the mess was just to convince it was indeed Michaels space.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: BeTheChange on October 07, 2011, 04:06:42 PM
 
The room 'scene' looks completely staged to me.  On the surface, it looks like the room of a drug-adled addict.  But when you start to look at the details...there's quite a lot of pictures with babies and children.  It kinda reminds me of how the media is, on the surface, believing that MJ was SO dependant on drugs....but that's because they are not seeing the details...they are not zooming out, so to speak...and they never have when it comes to Mike.  They've always only looked at the surface and went with the story that 'sold'.
 
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Lol, look at the Bedspread on the 12th picture.
You can see the number 7  :shock: 

As for the "7" on the bed...it does seem to be a 7...but it's hard to tell for sure.  It would be really interesting (and great) if it really is a 7 because it would mean it was obviously placed.  We've seen the number '7' in a few other places in the trial already...the tape of him supposedly drugged outta his mind (tape length, tape time), and on HLN yesterday, Jane said that Fleak made 7 specific mistakes at the scene (I didn't hear her entire testimony, so I'm not sure if this is true).  Maybe anything with a "7" attached to it is to reassure us that it is, indeed, part of the hoax.
 
With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Sarahli on October 07, 2011, 05:40:27 PM
Concerning the messiness of the room I think it's in Jermaine's new book that I have read that Michael liked when things were tidy, he even mentions I think Michael adjusting a pillow because he didn't like how it was placed. So it doesn't really match what's shown in these pictures.  confused/
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Solid121 on October 07, 2011, 05:48:25 PM
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I believe this is what is on the dresser

Quoted from Amazon

Product Description
This Ultimate Collection by Michael Jackson showcases the king of pop’s career from childhood in the Jackson 5, right up to the present day. It includes four CDs of classic tracks, alternate takes and rarities plus a bonus, previously unreleased DVD of a show in Bucharest during the Dangerous world tour.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 07, 2011, 05:49:13 PM
Michael loves his children, he would never have these drugs in his room, when his children would have access to them. He will not have his children see all these drugs. These children could have come in his room anytime of the day, to see their father.. Why would Michael put his children in jeopardy with these drugs in his room??
 
Secondly I don't think this is really Michael's room. Yes it is a room in his home, but someone else was living in that room whom was very sick. I have always felt it, and I still feel it. The question is who was this person who died in Michael's place??
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 07, 2011, 05:52:05 PM
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Concerning the messiness of the room I think it's in Jermaine's new book that I have read that Michael liked when things were tidy, he even mentions I think Michael adjusting a pillow because he didn't like how it was placed. So it doesn't really match what's shown in these pictures.  confused/

I agree with you.. Michael is too much of a perfectionist. A perfectionist will never leave a room or anything disorganized.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Raikiramari on October 07, 2011, 06:03:47 PM
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The room 'scene' looks completely staged to me.  On the surface, it looks like the room of a drug-adled addict.  But when you start to look at the details...there's quite a lot of pictures with babies and children.  It kinda reminds me of how the media is, on the surface, believing that MJ was SO dependant on drugs....but that's because they are not seeing the details...they are not zooming out, so to speak...and they never have when it comes to Mike.  They've always only looked at the surface and went with the story that 'sold'.
 
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Lol, look at the Bedspread on the 12th picture.
You can see the number 7  :shock: 

As for the "7" on the bed...it does seem to be a 7...but it's hard to tell for sure.  It would be really interesting (and great) if it really is a 7 because it would mean it was obviously placed.  We've seen the number '7' in a few other places in the trial already...the tape of him supposedly drugged outta his mind (tape length, tape time), and on HLN yesterday, Jane said that Fleak made 7 specific mistakes at the scene (I didn't hear her entire testimony, so I'm not sure if this is true).  Maybe anything with a "7" attached to it is to reassure us that it is, indeed, part of the hoax.
 
With L.O.V.E. always.

As I've seen there is anothe Picture posted up here, it doesn't seem like a Seven from the other Picture. But how would they get it at an almost perfect angle. Strange, huh?

Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: MissG on October 07, 2011, 06:50:18 PM
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I gathered screenshots of pictures that were shown during the testimony of the coroner, Elissa Fleak.

Maybe we'll see something that we missed earlier.

Let's go ...

(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/8bac7160291a8143a9cd8998677efd85193ed96b76112cc79e60a4ddb0b3ac346g.jpg)


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to start...just look at the bed...the pillows, the blanket, that black cable, a blue thing between the bed and the chair....
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Heartsong on October 07, 2011, 06:53:00 PM
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Concerning the messiness of the room I think it's in Jermaine's new book that I have read that Michael liked when things were tidy, he even mentions I think Michael adjusting a pillow because he didn't like how it was placed. So it doesn't really match what's shown in these pictures.  confused/

Yes same. Jermaine mentioned his mother was exceptionally tidy to the point where Jermaine now believes he has OCD.
 
 I guess living in such a small house with so many people you would have to stay organised. Maybe Mike just went to the opposite extreme. That happens sometimes.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Grace on October 08, 2011, 03:25:20 AM
Michael shows us in a reality "live" show and makes us experience - through painting and developping accurately to the dot these scenes - what reality in life is:
 
 missing care for and abandonment of children, abuse, neglect, disparition,
 in short: a REAL mess everywhere.
 
 Would we notice this reality if it were not Michael we are focussing on?
 Would we notice this if we would not care for Michael's children?
 
 I read on fan pages "how could he do this to his kids - one cannot live with all these drugs in the house when having small children".
 So true in at least two perspectives - yet the limber is so thick in front of some eyes that even a spyhole making only one glimpse of light feasible seems overwhelmingly unrealistic, still.
 
 The child support and family doctor theme is only one of several themes in this journey but it is a very important one.

Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Adi on October 08, 2011, 05:38:07 AM
Looking at these pictures and how things are moved or in different locations depending on the picture reminds me of the TMZ "Spot the Difference" thing they do.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: MissG on October 08, 2011, 03:30:53 PM
doesn´t look to you that there is someone behind the curtain?? Look at the way is folded in the middle just right behind the chair  WTF??  like if someone is hiding behind it and pinching it.
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4a730654987ca0592fbaf601027293fa99fd2dc542725b164222bd49fff8d4b06g.jpg)





pareidolia? I see the face of a child similar to the picture just on the bottom of the curtain  WTF??


(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/bc01cc751d57f28854707ed70a731aca693545fba6e35026a302e673d48984d96g.jpg)
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: MissG on October 08, 2011, 03:47:28 PM
Back to this pic


(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4a730654987ca0592fbaf601027293fa99fd2dc542725b164222bd49fff8d4b06g.jpg)




yellow curtain, T shaped iv stand, spoon feed baby pic...Can we do something with this?
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: paula-c on October 08, 2011, 04:53:41 PM
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doesn´t look to you that there is someone behind the curtain?? Look at the way is folded in the middle just right behind the chair  WTF??  like if someone is hiding behind it and pinching it.
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4a730654987ca0592fbaf601027293fa99fd2dc542725b164222bd49fff8d4b06g.jpg)





pareidolia? I see the face of a child similar to the picture just on the bottom of the curtain  WTF??


(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/bc01cc751d57f28854707ed70a731aca693545fba6e35026a302e673d48984d96g.jpg)

 
 
yes it is true
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Sarahli on October 08, 2011, 05:08:50 PM
Hmmm...you're right MissG it really seems that someone is hiding behind that curtain... :shock: someone's been playing hide & seek with the investigators... I wonder who it might be?  :lol:


 
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: 2good2btrue on October 09, 2011, 05:34:47 AM
Looks more like a "Childrens Hospital"....

Childrens pictures everywhere, and the room looks like a hospital...Maybe that's what he is trying to tell us..
OMG! OMG!
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: paula-c on October 09, 2011, 10:53:11 AM
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Looks more like a "Childrens Hospital"....

Childrens pictures everywhere, and the room looks like a hospital...Maybe that's what he is trying to tell us..
OMG! OMG!

 
 
In the recording that was heard in the trial Michael talk about that, of the creation of a children's hospital
 
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: MissG on October 09, 2011, 11:23:35 AM
yes 2good2betrue, but the setting is very poor. However, with the hoax glasses on...the color yellow is prominent.
Solidago, commonly called goldenrods (gold/ yellow road?) is a flower plant...as the sunflowers.
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Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: suspicious mind on October 09, 2011, 12:56:37 PM
i have a question that is not related to the picture . if murray was living with nicole , was with michael at night monitoring him while he was under propofol and returned to that apt. in the morinigs what need would he have for a bedroom. question related to the pics of this room. and the comment regarding the cigs. does anyone know if elizbeth tayor was a smoker?
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: suspicious mind on October 09, 2011, 12:58:20 PM
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I believe this is what is on the dresser

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Product Description
This Ultimate Collection by Michael Jackson showcases the king of pop’s career from childhood in the Jackson 5, right up to the present day. It includes four CDs of classic tracks, alternate takes and rarities plus a bonus, previously unreleased DVD of a show in Bucharest during the Dangerous world tour.
when was this releases?
 
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: RedPennylocks on October 09, 2011, 01:54:49 PM
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I believe this is what is on the dresser

Quoted from Amazon

Product Description
This Ultimate Collection by Michael Jackson showcases the king of pop’s career from childhood in the Jackson 5, right up to the present day. It includes four CDs of classic tracks, alternate takes and rarities plus a bonus, previously unreleased DVD of a show in Bucharest during the Dangerous world tour.
when was this releases?


It was released Nov 16, 2004.
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: paula-c on October 09, 2011, 02:52:09 PM
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I believe this is what is on the dresser

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Product Description
This Ultimate Collection by Michael Jackson showcases the king of pop’s career from childhood in the Jackson 5, right up to the present day. It includes four CDs of classic tracks, alternate takes and rarities plus a bonus, previously unreleased DVD of a show in Bucharest during the Dangerous world tour.
when was this releases?


It was released Nov 16, 2004.

 
November 16, 2011, 7 years
 
Title: Re: Pictures shown during Elissa Fleak's testimony - Michael's bedrom and bathroom
Post by: Mish1981 on October 09, 2011, 02:53:07 PM
Is it just me or can anyone else "see" Michael standing in the middle of the room saying:

"Ok Conrad put this over here"
"Alberto but this bottle over here, no wait move it to the left"
"Lift up the toilet seat"
"Hmmm, what can we do with this, oh oh let's put this on the floor right here"


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