Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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Dr. Conrad Murray If He's Convicted ...He Could End Up On House Arrest (http://www.tmz.com/2011/10/13/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-conviction-possible-house-arrest-no-prison-jail-time-overcrowding/#.TpfvOE-Rkyd)
22 minutes ago BY TMZ STAFF
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If Dr. Conrad Murray (http://tmz.com/person/conrad-murray/) is convicted of felony involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to the maximum -- 4 years in state prison -- he will not spend a single day in prison ... and he could end up on house arrest.
A new law went into effect in California on October 1, which says, because of overcrowding, people convicted of non-violent felonies cannot be sent to State prison. Instead, non-violent felons serve their time in county jail.
Law enforcement tells TMZ ... involuntary manslaughter is a non-violent felony, which means if Murray is convicted he'd go to L.A. County Jail.
As for how much time Murray would serve ... L.A. County Sheriff's officials tell TMZ ... Murray would be jailed for half the actual sentence. So if he gets the max -- 4 years -- he would only serve 2.
But there's a twist ... Murray could actually serve way less than 2 years. Because of severe overcrowding, inmates are eligible for house arrest, based on 2 factors -- their prior criminal history, and risk to the community. Murray has a clean record and, as one law enforcement official put it, he poses no risk ... it's not like he's going to go out with a bottle of Propofol and kill people.
So if the jail is filled to the gills, the Sheriff could put him on house arrest with an electronic monitoring bracelet. But one official from the Sheriff's Department told us ... Murray wouldn't be placed on house arrest right out of the box. He would almost certainly do some time before the jailhouse doors would open.
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Oh hell, I never thought about that.
"A new law went into effect in California on October 1"
- this is really an appropriate time.
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picture reminds me of alice in wonderland when she grows as big as a house.
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A new law went into effect in California on October 1, which says, because of overcrowding, people convicted of non-violent felonies cannot be sent to State prison. Instead, non-violent felons serve their time in county jail.
I remember a TMZ article of Lindsay Lohan who also got an electronic monitoring device, which was last May :? Maybe the new law is since October 1, 2010.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/22/lindsay-lohan-pleads-no-contest-misdemeanor-theft-shawn-holley-court-hearing-necklace-jewelry-store-120-days-sentenced/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/22/lindsay-lohan-pleads-no-contest-misdemeanor-theft-shawn-holley-court-hearing-necklace-jewelry-store-120-days-sentenced/)
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So.....TMZ are giving us a heads up about what the outcome of the trial will be?
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picture reminds me of alice in wonderland when she grows as big as a house.
the first thing I think of when I think of alice and wonderland is the rabbit running with the clock because he's late or 'times running out' suggesting that we may be coming to the end of the hoax! :)
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The bastards are messing with us :evil:
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The bastards are messing with us :evil:
Yup...and they do it so well :evil:
With L.O.V.E. always.
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What crossed my mind is that I believe that Conrad Murray’s profession is an undercover physician, who decided to hang up his former celeb MD-boots to serve a better and fair goal, because he had discovered many offenses by his colleagues, severe inconsistencies and “anything for money” crimes in health care, in particular in the celeb-scene. Probably he shared his concern with Michael a few years ago. Michael hired him as a doctor/actor to play his important role in this hoax, which has many reasons, but one of them is to expose “wrong” doctors and crimes in health care.
This “new” law with, instead of spending time in prison, wearing an EMD makes it even more attractive to commit a non-violent crime, because the sentence is ‘not that bad’.
Just imagine a doctor who has been sentenced to house arrest can still continue his profession from his own house… pale/
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:o This is strange....?!?
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Murray has a clean record and, as one law enforcement official put it, he poses no risk ... it's not like he's going to go out with a bottle of Propofol and kill people.
Yeah right. confused/
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I've always had this doubt...how come 'media' is in the hoax? yes, i'm referring to TMZ...i'd love it someone answers my question. :)
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What house if his house got repossessed??? lolol/ This is THE SIGN that Michael is alive..
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But there's a twist ... Murray could actually serve way less than 2 years. Because of severe overcrowding, inmates are eligible for house arrest, based on 2 factors -- their prior criminal history, and risk to the community. Murray has a clean record and, as one law enforcement official put it, he poses no risk ... it's not like he's going to go out with a bottle of Propofol and kill people.
So all the smart crooks and thieves and contract killers get away with anything, and the 'dumb' ones who get caught/accused pay for the heavier punishments. As we see in TCRCAU there is much injustice in the prisons, and reasons why there are violent offenders (not saying all are wrongfully accused). The messed up justice system has a major effect on the prisons being crowded. Many of the real crooks are in suits in nice offices. It's all interrelated. If Michael were really dead, would most say that Murray was non-violent and no threat to his other patients? What about Joe and LaToya saying Murray was the 'fall guy', then 'they' get off scott free. On the other hand the whole world is messed up, no easy solutions.
Troy Davis's story is one of how many in the "over-crowded" prisons. It appears to me that there are strong racial elements involved.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040054/Death-penalty-debate-US-Supreme-Court-order-confirmed-Troy-Davis-execution.html
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How come "his record" is clean in the public eye outside of court and Doc Murray "poses no risk"?
Who's there to put him in this drawer?
Who are "law enforcement sources" to talk in public about the "pending case" Doc Murray before any jury has declared their decision?
Bah, tabloid junk.
Jumping only onto the mentioned dot:
This is explaining the "new" CA bill which passed Senate on March 17, 2011:
http://prisonlaw.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/realignment-in-california-the-basics-plus-how-counties-are-preparing/ (http://prisonlaw.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/realignment-in-california-the-basics-plus-how-counties-are-preparing/)
which is called AB 109, is to be found here:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_0101-0150/ab_109_bill_20110329_enrolled.html (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_0101-0150/ab_109_bill_20110329_enrolled.html)
and must comply to the "Brown Act":
The introduction to the Brown Act describes its purpose and intent:[2]
<blockquote> In enacting this chapter, the Legislature finds and declares that the public commissions, boards and councils and the other public agencies in this State exist to aid in the conduct of the people's business. It is the intent of the law that their actions be taken openly and that their deliberations be conducted openly.</blockquote> The people of this State do not yield their sovereignty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty) to the agencies which serve them. The people, in delegating authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority), do not give their public servants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_servant) the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so that they may retain control over the instruments they have created.
The Sacramento Bee said of the act:
<blockquote> A law to prohibit secret meetings of official bodies, save under the most exceptional circumstances, should not be necessary. Public officers above all other persons should be imbued with the truth that their business is the public’s business and they should be the last to tolerate any attempt to</blockquote> keep the people from being fully informed as to what is going on in official agencies. Unfortunately, however, that is not always the case. Instances are many in which officials have contrived, deliberately and shamefully, to operate in a vacuum of secrecy .[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Act)
I am not a Californian lawyer to understand the full detailed meaning of these 350 + pages of the bill.
However:
(14)The bill would become operative no earlier than July 1, 2011, and only upon creation of a community corrections grant program to assist in implementing this act and upon an appropriation to fund the grant program.
(17)The California Constitution authorizes the Governor to declare a fiscal emergency and to call the Legislature into special session for that purpose. The Governor issued a proclamation declaring a fiscal emergency, and calling a special session for this purpose, on January 20, 2011.
(18)This bill would declare that it is to take effect immediately as a bill providing for appropriations related to the Budget Bill.
which equals: economy (emergency declaration on Jan 20,2011) dictates and steers jurisdiction and execution.
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Maybe he's going to be kept in Hayvenhurst or ... Neverland if he doen's have a house...
Sorry for my black sense of humor... rr/
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:lol: LMAO TMZ for that picture :lol:
Well, so Murray will not be going to jail but he will be at home jail. And we will believe he is at home jail? :lol:
So.....TMZ are giving us a heads up about what the outcome of the trial will be?
Yes, I think so Adi. ;)
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Geez, the defense hasn't even presented their case yet and the media is already reporting conviction scenarios! suspicious//
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I am very frustrated on how to get around on the new forum. I can't see where to start a new thread, so, forgive me by writing on this one. I was just wanting to comment on one of the many defense theories. The one where they are saying MJ gave himself the lethal dose of propofol. In order to do that, wouldn't he have to wake up (probably groggy) get the other vial of it, MIX it with the *anti-burn* and THEN give it to himself? If Murray was only gone for 2 minutes (which we know he wasn't) MJ wouldn't have enough time to mix it.
Just saying ...
Also, another totally different topic, and I am sorry, but I just can't see how to start threads on this board anymore. But the other thing I was wondering about what the LAX airport being shut down that day. Any facts about this? I have searched and read something about a private jet took off on that day and the airport was closed to other flights, etc. But, is this just a rumor or was it absolutely factual? Do we know this to be fact and if so, who is the source? If anybody knows???
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Dr. Conrad Murray If He's Convicted ...He
Could End Up On House Arrest
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/10/13/1013-conrad-murray-house-arrest-ex-credit.jpg)
If Dr. Conrad Murray is convicted of felony involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to the maximum -- 4 years in state prison -- he will not spend a single day in prison ... and he could end up on house arrest.
A new law went into effect in California on October 1, which says, because of overcrowding, people convicted of non-violent felonies cannot be sent to State prison. Instead, non-violent felons serve their time in county jail.
Law enforcement tells TMZ ... involuntary manslaughter is a non-violent felony, which means if Murray is convicted he'd go to L.A. County Jail.
As for how much time Murray would serve ... L.A. County Sheriff's officials tell TMZ ... Murray would be jailed for half the actual sentence. So if he gets the max -- 4 years -- he would only serve 2.
But there's a twist ... Murray could actually serve way less than 2 years. Because of severe overcrowding, inmates are eligible for house arrest, based on 2 factors -- their prior criminal history, and risk to the community. Murray has a clean record and, as one law enforcement official put it, he poses no risk ... it's not like he's going to go out with a bottle of Propofol and kill people.
So if the jail is filled to the gills, the Sheriff could put him on house arrest with an electronic monitoring bracelet. But one official from the Sheriff's Department told us ... Murray wouldn't be placed on house arrest right out of the box. He would almost certainly do some time before the jailhouse doors would open.
Mmmmmm....... this is STRANGE.Last week I think I put as my picture Murray behind the BARS and now this story with that picture comes up :o??????????????
I dont wanna say to much......I'm done :mrgreen:
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LMAO!!!
They pass this new law at a convenient time.
This sounds a little familiar:
The feud between Michael Jackson and Tom Sneddon intensified when Mr. Sneddon changed the law as a result of the 1993 investigation. The law was changed so that if a civil lawsuit was filed, Sneddon would be able to put it on hold until after the criminal trial. Sneddon has made numerous statements over the past decade referring to the Jackson case as "open but inactive." According to him, all they needed was a cooperative victim and the investigation would be re-opened.
http://ahabit.com/jackson/ (http://ahabit.com/jackson/)
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Murray has a clean record and, as one law enforcement official put it, he poses no risk ... it's not like he's going to go out with a bottle of Propofol and kill people.
Yeah right. confused/
Murray go out into the street with a bottle of propofol and tossed it to someone by the head? suspicious// /judge/
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Murray has a clean record and, as one law enforcement official put it, he poses no risk ... it's not like he's going to go out with a bottle of Propofol and kill people.
Yeah right. confused/
Murray go out into the street with a bottle of propofol and tossed it to someone by the head? suspicious// /judge/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA paula i love you!!!!!!!
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I am very frustrated on how to get around on the new forum. I can't see where to start a new thread, so, forgive me by writing on this one. I was just wanting to comment on one of the many defense theories. The one where they are saying MJ gave himself the lethal dose of propofol. In order to do that, wouldn't he have to wake up (probably groggy) get the other vial of it, MIX it with the *anti-burn* and THEN give it to himself? If Murray was only gone for 2 minutes (which we know he wasn't) MJ wouldn't have enough time to mix it.
Just saying ...
Also, another totally different topic, and I am sorry, but I just can't see how to start threads on this board anymore. But the other thing I was wondering about what the LAX airport being shut down that day. Any facts about this? I have searched and read something about a private jet took off on that day and the airport was closed to other flights, etc. But, is this just a rumor or was it absolutely factual? Do we know this to be fact and if so, who is the source? If anybody knows???
Forst - thank you for posting this article. Either we are being "whispered" to about how this trial will end, TMZ could be reading this forum (thanks Applehead - LOL), or it's all for real.
Grace - thank you so much for that information. I don't know what it all means but it does look suspect for sure. I appreciate that you stop in to give us insight like this. It's kind of scary that laws are just "made", isn't it? It's also quite frustrating to see the injustice of our justice system.
Moon - thank you for posting the possible connection to S***don. My thought as I reread that is that there would be no way Michael could live in peace with that hanging over his head. All S***don needs is one more willing participant who is hard up for money to come forward. How horrible to live with that knowing you are innocent? And there is no way he could go home to his beloved Neverland. You can bet that snake in the grass would have "spies" all around, lurking through the bushes to "catch" Michael doing wrong. Would a jury find him innocent if someone filed false charges again? It makes me ill to think about it. The only way would be to expose the lie for what it is so that the threat is never there again. Is that the conspiracy that the family talks about? The fact that S***don traveled around the world trying to frame an innocent man and who knows the revenge that he's been trying to seek for the past 5 years knowing he has created an open door.
This is old news. Someone - either TMZ or someone on CNN said right after Michael left in 2009 that Murray could possibly escape jail time. This is no surprise so why is TMZ bringing it up again. To refresh our memories? Like a whisper?
If they give him house arrest will he be at his girlfriends house in LA or will he be allowed to travel back to Houston and/or Las Vegas where he supposedly has practices. He doesn't see patients here...anymore. He needs to make a living. Hmmm....that is if he is a real doctor.
MeandMyShadow - it was said a day or two ago that the defense is going to drop the argument that Michael drank the propofol. I guess they wanted to show the stupidity in that argument - grasping at straws much like Sneddon was grasping at straws in 2005. As far as self injection - that is so far fetched too and I'm sure it is to also show the futility in the defense grasping at straws.
The question/comment about Murray being an undercover physician. I've considered that more than once. That is the only way I can make his financial picture fit. Yes, his house "apparently" went into foreclosure but he also has been jet setting around the country on vacations and doesn't have trouble going shopping for clothes and ties. His actions don't fit his financial picture and it has me confused. However, if Michael were paying his way or if he really was a government official that would explain it.
Well, they say that truth is stranger than fiction. I would have to agree based on the fact that this is all being billed as truth at the moment.
Blessings :)
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What if it's part of the plan that Conrad Murray gets convicted. We all assumed he would be aquitted like Michael was but what if this is a hint of how this will end or perhaps a sort of Plan B in case the jury ends up convicting Dr. Murray
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What if it's part of the plan that Conrad Murray gets convicted. We all assumed he would be aquitted like Michael was but what if this is a hint of how this will end or perhaps a sort of Plan B in case the jury ends up convicting Dr. Murray
You could be right - providing there is a real jury. We still haven't seen one single juror. :)