February 2010: “[Jermaine] He was very, very healthy but Michael was not with us, way before he arrived to the airport. ... But it’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold. [Interviewer] Do you know what it is, and you’re waiting for it to come out? [Jermaine] Yes, yes, I do. ... I know ...” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q)}.
June 2010: “[Larry] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. We love you, we miss him; the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.” {1:32, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg)}.
February 20, 2011: “There is a due legal process we must honor. Justice first. And then it will be time for truth.” {http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368 (http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368)}.
November 16, 2011: “@latoyajackson why don’t you talk more about the real MJ’s killer..?”
{http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929 (http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929)}.
November 16, 2011: “@_MariamFenty you will DEFINITELY hear more in the near future!!!”
{http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960)}.
November 21, 2011: “Thanking all the FANS for their support last night! Thank you so very much!!! Keep the faith!!!” {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336)}.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
November 30 is the only re-direct with capitalized letters.Are you upset and yelling at us TS? (I'm sort of sure you're not, but...)
November 21, 2011: “Thanking all the FANS for their support last night! Thank you so very much!!! Keep the faith!!!” {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336)}.With the :shock: 's, are you disappointed that we are not "all" "supporting" you? Not in unity? :?
:shock: :shock: :shock:
need to read the UNDERLINED parts : ).
The Bible reminds us that men cannot do justice, they can only seek justice. That is all that we ask as a family. And that is all that we can ask for here.
There is more to the story. There are other people involved and Jermaine validates the fact that Conrad Murray is the "fall guy". I don't believe that Michael Jackson would have an innocent man imprisoned although I do believe that this is an essential part of the hoax. Conrad Murray said "If I told the truth I would be exhonorated" Therefore, the whole truth has not been revealed to us as of yet. The Civil trial is in September 2012, keep the faith!
Gina, I think many people contributed great info to that thread. We did our best with what we know.
Mjonmind he could very well be yelling at us lol, but I don't know. The smilies could mean anything. I did notice no one seems to care to post much about any theory in the 11-11-11 thread or any thread really. Or is it just me?
Matthew 24:36
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
okay, I have been saying for months now that if BAM would be in 2011, that it would be today, so I am reading this redirect in a completely different way. Certainly when I looked at what is underlined. I am fully aware that I can be wrong, because I have been wrong on many dates before, but never was a date so perfect in my book. Plus even the believers are not expecting anything today, most of them are disappointed and sad.
TS emphasizes on this date, by posting it in caps. Coincidence? When I look at TS' last update (under username TS), it was posted exactly 1 year ago today, at 11:30. Not only that, but the 11th paragraph was called "Eleven thirty", which could mean 11/11/30 or 2011/11/30. He also redirected to a clock in October 2010 that said 11:30. The update was numbered at 6.5. Not 6a or 7, but 6.5. TS pointed out that 6+5 is 11, but 6x5 is 30. 11/30 again. Was this a prediction?
BACK had a 7 day theory: 7 days + 1 day of simmering. Today is 1 day of simmering since the sentencing yesterday, but if you take 777 days, it would require 111 days of simmering (111 x 7 days + 1 day of simmering). Today is day 888 of the hoax... Although it's day 334 of the year, 333 days have passed (it can't all be perfect, this comes pretty close to perfect). 888+333=1221.
Sybolism of 888: The Christ, the resurrection, the baptism. Symbol of the Redemption. By its composition, this number is considered as perfect.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu888.php
888 is also considered the number of the Holy Spirit, infinity, eternal life. 333 is symbolizing spiritual and/or physical awakening.
Today is also the 29th anniversary of the Thriller album. The Biblical meaning of 29: combination of 20, the number of expectation, and 9, the number of judgment.
888 is Elvis' number.
Today is a Wednesday. Thriller short film: "See you next Wednesday"
And Adi found out: "What is even more interesting is that from 25th June 2009 to 30th November 2011 it is 2 years, 5 months, 6 days (inclusive)....recognise those numbers????? 25/6"
I don't want to give you all false hope, but I can't help but being carefully excited today. Whether for a BAM or some other major thing, I don't know. Don't shoot me if I'm wrong okay?
Speaking of Thriller, 11:30 (PM) is “close to midnight ... the midnight hour is close at hand”. So 11:30 also represents near the end (end of the day, or end of the hoax, or end of the world, etc).
On June 14, 2010, Janet tweeted this: “It’s time the fans know the truth …”
{Jun 14th via web; http://http://twitter.com/JanetJackson/status/16174141128, verified account}. What “truth” was Janet referring to, that was then “time” for the fans to “know”? Perhaps that MJ is dead, and he was murdered? If so, that is nothing that hasn’t been said many times already. Furthermore, if MJ is alive, then murder would not be the “truth”—instead, the hoax would be the truth. Yet nearly three months have passed since then, and no hoax truth has come out publicly from the Jacksons.
What we do know for sure is that: “It’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold.” {http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs}. This is what Jermaine said back in February, 2010; and it was stated in the context of the “airport” slip, so we know he meant the hoax is all going to come out {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010}.
Jermaine also reiterated this again on Larry King interview in June, 2010. “[Larry:] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine:] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. ... We’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows what really happened.” {http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg}.
to add to Souza's post:
11/30/11 = 1+1+3+0+1+1 = 7
or
11+3+0+11 = 25, 2+5 = 7 ;)
okay, I have been saying for months now that if BAM would be in 2011, that it would be today, so I am reading this redirect in a completely different way. Certainly when I looked at what is underlined. I am fully aware that I can be wrong, because I have been wrong on many dates before, but never was a date so perfect in my book. Plus even the believers are not expecting anything today, most of them are disappointed and sad.
TS emphasizes on this date, by posting it in caps. Coincidence? When I look at TS' last update (under username TS), it was posted exactly 1 year ago today, at 11:30. Not only that, but the 11th paragraph was called "Eleven thirty", which could mean 11/11/30 or 2011/11/30. He also redirected to a clock in October 2010 that said 11:30. The update was numbered at 6.5. Not 6a or 7, but 6.5. TS pointed out that 6+5 is 11, but 6x5 is 30. 11/30 again. Was this a prediction?
BACK had a 7 day theory: 7 days + 1 day of simmering. Today is 1 day of simmering since the sentencing yesterday, but if you take 777 days, it would require 111 days of simmering (111 x 7 days + 1 day of simmering). Today is day 888 of the hoax... Although it's day 334 of the year, 333 days have passed (it can't all be perfect, this comes pretty close to perfect). 888+333=1221.
Sybolism of 888: The Christ, the resurrection, the baptism. Symbol of the Redemption. By its composition, this number is considered as perfect.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu888.php
888 is also considered the number of the Holy Spirit, infinity, eternal life. 333 is symbolizing spiritual and/or physical awakening.
Today is also the 29th anniversary of the Thriller album. The Biblical meaning of 29: combination of 20, the number of expectation, and 9, the number of judgment.
888 is Elvis' number.
Today is a Wednesday. Thriller short film: "See you next Wednesday"
And Adi found out: "What is even more interesting is that from 25th June 2009 to 30th November 2011 it is 2 years, 5 months, 6 days (inclusive)....recognise those numbers????? 25/6"
I don't want to give you all false hope, but I can't help but being carefully excited today. Whether for a BAM or some other major thing, I don't know. Don't shoot me if I'm wrong okay?
Can I ask why everyone is so opposed to AEG being the illuminati everyone is talking about ??
Does everyone know about the evils behind this empire, mainly Philip Aschultz ???
I feel that no-body is even achnowledging the information I have, and after two and a half years of hours of research and years of neglecting my son, my duties and my homework and my social life, that its all been for nothing....... :'(
I look at the facts, not assumptions......I don't know why others dont want to look at some real evidence I have, but decide to accept everything else they read from the media and treat that as gospel.... Yes Michael had god-like qualities, but he is not God. He is a unique human being, but has sinned as has shortcommings just like all of us.
God gave him a gift of creativity and dance and music, and he has always used it for the good of others. But as far as the illuminati and secret societies go, he also was a threat to them, because he knew what was going on, and used his music to expose these mind-controlling beasts..
I know for a fact that MJ was going to talk about the NWO during his concerts, and threats have been made on his life for doing so....that's why this became more urgent than ever to pull off this hoax, and if I was Michaels daughter, son, sister, brother, mother or father, I would whatever it takes to keep him safe.
The MK ultra programming has been around for years...it hapenned to so many other artists that spoke the truth and rebelled, and it was just a matter of time before they would a assasinate MJ too...
Loius Farrankhan got a phone call from Michael a week before his disappearance, and begged him for help.
Louis Farrankhan protected MJ during the 2005 trial allegations, and provided him with many of his NOI security guards, and some of them still remained until the end.......
The drill is a significant part of the NOI army.....and as you are all aware, The Drill has been such a dominant part of the message being spread around the world....
Please spend some time reading this blog and tell me what you think....it has many answers to complete the puzzle.
OK Murray was lured into this too good to be true arrangement, and took the bait.
I truly admire him for being so humble in make such a sacrifice to help Michael expose the real murders....and I say that, because MJ is dead to the world...and that's what the bad guys need to believe, in order to fish out the real people responsible...
The clues are already out there........MJ's family suing the promotors of This Is It....what more evidence do we need.....
Murray will talk soon, but not until it is safe enough to do so.........If he is in jail, they can't get him and kill him too. Its the safest place for him to be...........
http://mindcontrolblackassassins.wordpress.com/
okay, I have been saying for months now that if BAM would be in 2011, that it would be today, so I am reading this redirect in a completely different way. Certainly when I looked at what is underlined. I am fully aware that I can be wrong, because I have been wrong on many dates before, but never was a date so perfect in my book. Plus even the believers are not expecting anything today, most of them are disappointed and sad.
TS emphasizes on this date, by posting it in caps. Coincidence? When I look at TS' last update (under username TS), it was posted exactly 1 year ago today, at 11:30. Not only that, but the 11th paragraph was called "Eleven thirty", which could mean 11/11/30 or 2011/11/30. He also redirected to a clock in October 2010 that said 11:30. The update was numbered at 6.5. Not 6a or 7, but 6.5. TS pointed out that 6+5 is 11, but 6x5 is 30. 11/30 again. Was this a prediction?
BACK had a 7 day theory: 7 days + 1 day of simmering. Today is 1 day of simmering since the sentencing yesterday, but if you take 777 days, it would require 111 days of simmering (111 x 7 days + 1 day of simmering). Today is day 888 of the hoax... Although it's day 334 of the year, 333 days have passed (it can't all be perfect, this comes pretty close to perfect). 888+333=1221.
Sybolism of 888: The Christ, the resurrection, the baptism. Symbol of the Redemption. By its composition, this number is considered as perfect.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu888.php
888 is also considered the number of the Holy Spirit, infinity, eternal life. 333 is symbolizing spiritual and/or physical awakening.
Today is also the 29th anniversary of the Thriller album. The Biblical meaning of 29: combination of 20, the number of expectation, and 9, the number of judgment.
888 is Elvis' number.
Today is a Wednesday. Thriller short film: "See you next Wednesday"
And Adi found out: "What is even more interesting is that from 25th June 2009 to 30th November 2011 it is 2 years, 5 months, 6 days (inclusive)....recognise those numbers????? 25/6"
I don't want to give you all false hope, but I can't help but being carefully excited today. Whether for a BAM or some other major thing, I don't know. Don't shoot me if I'm wrong okay?
What I simply don't understand is WHY if these dates are planned and cannot be coincidence nothing ever happens on these days? As well as with the August 11th and the "tremendous backlight" that Front talked about which proved itself to be nothing in fact. Why if these dates look so perfect and almost impossible to get this by coincidence nothing ever happens?
There is more to the story. There are other people involved and Jermaine validates the fact that Conrad Murray is the "fall guy". I don't believe that Michael Jackson would have an innocent man imprisoned although I do believe that this is an essential part of the hoax. Conrad Murray said "If I told the truth I would be exhonorated" Therefore, the whole truth has not been revealed to us as of yet. The Civil trial is in September 2012, keep the faith!
Souza, will you stop believing if nothing happens today? :)
What about the Elvis' BAM in January? If this has to be a double Bam - Elvis must be first.
What I simply don't understand is WHY if these dates are planned and cannot be coincidence nothing ever happens on these days? As well as with the August 11th and the "tremendous backlight" that Front talked about which proved itself to be nothing in fact. Why if these dates look so perfect and almost impossible to get this by coincidence nothing ever happens?
We won't find the answer for this question anytime soon, unfortunately, and btw, nothing will happen today. If it's meant to happen, it will happen when noone expects it, regardless the numerology. IMO
1. Murray defense team seemed totally unprepared yesterday
okay, I have been saying for months now that if BAM would be in 2011, that it would be today, so I am reading this redirect in a completely different way. Certainly when I looked at what is underlined. I am fully aware that I can be wrong, because I have been wrong on many dates before, but never was a date so perfect in my book. Plus even the believers are not expecting anything today, most of them are disappointed and sad.
TS emphasizes on this date, by posting it in caps. Coincidence? When I look at TS' last update (under username TS), it was posted exactly 1 year ago today, at 11:30. Not only that, but the 11th paragraph was called "Eleven thirty", which could mean 11/11/30 or 2011/11/30. He also redirected to a clock in October 2010 that said 11:30. The update was numbered at 6.5. Not 6a or 7, but 6.5. TS pointed out that 6+5 is 11, but 6x5 is 30. 11/30 again. Was this a prediction?
BACK had a 7 day theory: 7 days + 1 day of simmering. Today is 1 day of simmering since the sentencing yesterday, but if you take 777 days, it would require 111 days of simmering (111 x 7 days + 1 day of simmering). Today is day 888 of the hoax... Although it's day 334 of the year, 333 days have passed (it can't all be perfect, this comes pretty close to perfect). 888+333=1221.
Sybolism of 888: The Christ, the resurrection, the baptism. Symbol of the Redemption. By its composition, this number is considered as perfect.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu888.php
888 is also considered the number of the Holy Spirit, infinity, eternal life. 333 is symbolizing spiritual and/or physical awakening.
Today is also the 29th anniversary of the Thriller album. The Biblical meaning of 29: combination of 20, the number of expectation, and 9, the number of judgment.
888 is Elvis' number.
Today is a Wednesday. Thriller short film: "See you next Wednesday"
And Adi found out: "What is even more interesting is that from 25th June 2009 to 30th November 2011 it is 2 years, 5 months, 6 days (inclusive)....recognise those numbers????? 25/6"
I don't want to give you all false hope, but I can't help but being carefully excited today. Whether for a BAM or some other major thing, I don't know. Don't shoot me if I'm wrong okay?
February 2010: “[Jermaine] He was very, very healthy but Michael was not with us, way before he arrived to the airport. ... But it’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold. [Interviewer] Do you know what it is, and you’re waiting for it to come out? [Jermaine] Yes, yes, I do. ... I know ...” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q)}.
June 2010: “[Larry] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. We love you, we miss him; the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.” {1:32, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg)}.
February 20, 2011: “There is a due legal process we must honor. Justice first. And then it will be time for truth.” {http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368 (http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368)}.
November 16, 2011: “@latoyajackson why don’t you talk more about the real MJ’s killer..?”
{http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929 (http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929)}.
November 16, 2011: “@_MariamFenty you will DEFINITELY hear more in the near future!!!”
{http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960)}.
November 21, 2011: “Thanking all the FANS for their support last night! Thank you so very much!!! Keep the faith!!!” {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336)}.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
February 20, 2011: “There is a due legal process we must honor. Justice first. And then it will be time for truth.” {http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368}.
@snoopy about what you posted - I can't help but noticing Jermaine is talking against AEG again.
I can't remember if Randy Phillips was a witness for the prosecution or the defence. I guess for the prosecution.
@snoopy about what you posted - I can't help but noticing Jermaine is talking against AEG again.
I can't remember if Randy Phillips was a witness for the prosecution or the defence. I guess for the prosecution.
Randy Phillips was a witness for the defense [Murray].
Murray Documentary:
Murray claims Phillips pulled him aside after a meeting about the "This Is It" concerts and angrily said ...
"What's this bullshit all about? Listen this guy is next to skid row. He's going to be homeless. Nine security guards? Why does he need that? I'm paying for that s**t. I'm paying for the toilet paper he wipes his f**king ass with." [TMZ Jury goes down the toilet]
Phillips took the stand during the manslaughter trial and -- under oath -- denied that conversation with Murray ever took place.
@snoopy about what you posted - I can't help but noticing Jermaine is talking against AEG again.
I can't remember if Randy Phillips was a witness for the prosecution or the defence. I guess for the prosecution.
Randy Phillips was a witness for the defense [Murray].
Murray Documentary:
Murray claims Phillips pulled him aside after a meeting about the "This Is It" concerts and angrily said ...
"What's this bullshit all about? Listen this guy is next to skid row. He's going to be homeless. Nine security guards? Why does he need that? I'm paying for that s**t. I'm paying for the toilet paper he wipes his f**king ass with." [TMZ Jury goes down the toilet]
Phillips took the stand during the manslaughter trial and -- under oath -- denied that conversation with Murray ever took place.
@snoopy about what you posted - I can't help but noticing Jermaine is talking against AEG again.
I can't remember if Randy Phillips was a witness for the prosecution or the defence. I guess for the prosecution.
Randy Phillips was a witness for the defense [Murray].
Murray Documentary:
Murray claims Phillips pulled him aside after a meeting about the "This Is It" concerts and angrily said ...
"What's this bullshit all about? Listen this guy is next to skid row. He's going to be homeless. Nine security guards? Why does he need that? I'm paying for that s**t. I'm paying for the toilet paper he wipes his f**king ass with." [TMZ Jury goes down the toilet]
Phillips took the stand during the manslaughter trial and -- under oath -- denied that conversation with Murray ever took place.
So for the defense. Surprise. I don't think he helped Murray in any way.
I remember Murray told about that conversation and RP denied it.
I could be crazy but there's something about RP that I don't like at all. I think he is a big liar.
i must have my "mrs stupid" hat on today, because i simply do not understand WHY murray has gone to "physical" jail.why??? and would michael allow this? i think a lot of us ....well me for sure...feel very very very upset today.xxxx
Action before word.(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/nfo/lowres/nfon11l.jpg)
Just do it and don't talk about unlaid eggs.
QuoteAction before word.(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/nfo/lowres/nfon11l.jpg)
Just do it and don't talk about unlaid eggs.
Sorry Grace. I couldn't stop myself.
Let's not forget this hoax is a mighty big egg to produce.
I am not against the "AEG is bad guy" theory at all. But that would mean they gained behind the scenes, because looking at the surface: AEG lost as well here. AEG had money to gain if MJ would have done the shows. I also believe TII was Michael's idea (as a MOVIE, not a series of concerts), and not AEG's. AEG could be the bad guy, of course, but how? What was the plan?
Who stood to profit from his death? ....Those who reaped the rewards have not been brought to "justice".
I think the civil suit will show the trail of greed...but there's something else...
What about level 7 a, b, and c, TS? They were supposed to be completed no later then 11/29/11. No puzzle pieces?
Hmmm CNN is being pretty hoaxy this morning. I just saw a story they did about the Ringling Bros. Circus. The lady said something about the greatest show on earth and then showed a clip of the elephants and the only man ridding an elephant was a man with black hair in a red shirt with a blue shirt over it....just like what Michael was wearing in TII. :shock:
La Toya and Jermaine have been the hoaxers best friends these past 2 and half years being both obvious and subtle at the same time. I'm very grateful for their roles in this hoax and the constant reminders that the truth WILL come out.
Perhaps the apparent unclosed doors of 7b and 7c weren't meant to be determined yet? Maybe someone did get it right along the way but it's not time yet for the truth to be revealed. We've been speculating as to the events of June 25th since it happened and while progress has been made, there seems to be no way of knowing what REALLY happened, but if we're patient we will find out, when the time is right. (Hopefully sooner than later, lol)
TS, thank you for your continued presence and patience.
Thome-Thome was MJ and was on stage w/big bro Jermaine when he made fake death announcement. What a coup! The mysterious T-T. LMBO about his one. Why didn't the Jacksons call for his head? Did he and Jermaine kill off MJ? I'll bet anyone $500.00 that MJ was Thome-Thome.
I believe AEG got his money, even more than they would have got if real concerts took place. Rememeber family was saying "Michael worth more dead than alive". Although I find this statement stupid and offensive to MJ, but that might meant something. AEG was not not sure whether Michael could make all 50 or even 30 concerts. Therefore I think they were interested in MJ be dead. On the other hand, since TII is a movie prepared and directed by MJ (hopefuly), then the explanation would be Michael has learned about murder plan and escaped according to his plan. There is must be a reason for MJ to hoax. Even TS finally said what I believe in- a murder attempt and not for fun.Gina
Thus, it makes AEG bad guys and yes it is possible they are masons/ illuminati (to other members question).
Good question...well let's see..... family doesn't count OK? The estate lawyers who take 8% of everything maybe????? Sony? I don't know how much AEG has from the pie. It could be said much more about them but I don't dare.I believe you both have encapsulated the core dilemma for all who love MJ. Or, “Ah there’s the rub.”
Hmmm CNN is being pretty hoaxy this morning. I just saw a story they did about the Ringling Bros. Circus. The lady said something about the greatest show on earth and then showed a clip of the elephants and the only man ridding an elephant was a man with black hair in a red shirt with a blue shirt over it....just like what Michael was wearing in TII.(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/file:///C:\Users\THEFAM~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.gif)Cool! Screenshot?
I am so ready to wear my "Told You So" T-shirt! Thanks, TS, for the redirect. Still keeping the faith. L.O.V.E.
I think some are turning too much to the right (it's all a movie, MJ is just pranking) and some are turning too much to the left (MJ was in danger every step of the way and had to quickly hoax his death). I will walk in the middle if y'all don't mind. I believe Michael planned this many many MANY years ago. I also believe that the plan advanced in a later stage when the FBI got involved and I also believe there is a fair possibility that the plan changed again in the last stage and that someone in his team was a rat. Because there is indeed no reason for UCLA. It's too much of a risk, too many people involved and besides: it's a hospital, people in danger need to have access to it as quick as possible and with thousands of fans around, that will be harder. So there is a chance that that was added to the script later on, although I must say that I do not see why yet.
I believe Michael did this for many reasons. As an artist: to make the biggest production ever, one of which people will still talk about many many years from now. I also think he wants to expose some very shady figures, and many other lies and BS in our world today. This is why the 'rat in camp MJ' possibility is very plausible. I also think he wants to get back at the public and the media for what was done to him. I also think he wants to warn people for the EOW. Some of the atheists here might not agree with that, merely because they don't believe it themselves, but unfortunately it's not your hoax, it's Michael's hoax and Michael is a God fearing man. He knows his Bible and he can recognize the signs. This is more than just a movie, more than just a prank. It's his life work and whether you like it or not, there are serious elements attached to it. I don't see how Diana Ross being his alleged wife and Omer being his alleged son has anything to do with all this by the way, no offence.
And I agree on the whiners. If you still can't make up your mind after 2.5 years whether or not he is alive, then you never will believe. That's fine, but stop whining and asking for attention. The fan forums are for that, they wine and cry all day there.
I think some are turning too much to the right (it's all a movie, MJ is just pranking) and some are turning too much to the left (MJ was in danger every step of the way and had to quickly hoax his death). I will walk in the middle if y'all don't mind. I believe Michael planned this many many MANY years ago. I also believe that the plan advanced in a later stage when the FBI got involved and I also believe there is a fair possibility that the plan changed again in the last stage and that someone in his team was a rat. Because there is indeed no reason for UCLA. It's too much of a risk, too many people involved and besides: it's a hospital, people in danger need to have access to it as quick as possible and with thousands of fans around, that will be harder. So there is a chance that that was added to the script later on, although I must say that I do not see why yet.
I believe Michael did this for many reasons. As an artist: to make the biggest production ever, one of which people will still talk about many many years from now. I also think he wants to expose some very shady figures, and many other lies and BS in our world today. This is why the 'rat in camp MJ' possibility is very plausible. I also think he wants to get back at the public and the media for what was done to him. I also think he wants to warn people for the EOW. Some of the atheists here might not agree with that, merely because they don't believe it themselves, but unfortunately it's not your hoax, it's Michael's hoax and Michael is a God fearing man. He knows his Bible and he can recognize the signs. This is more than just a movie, more than just a prank. It's his life work and whether you like it or not, there are serious elements attached to it. I don't see how Diana Ross being his alleged wife and Omer being his alleged son has anything to do with all this by the way, no offence.
And I agree on the whiners. If you still can't make up your mind after 2.5 years whether or not he is alive, then you never will believe. That's fine, but stop whining and asking for attention. The fan forums are for that, they wine and cry all day there.
I am so ready to wear my "Told You So" T-shirt! Thanks, TS, for the redirect. Still keeping the faith. L.O.V.E.
Hahaha I've been practicing my Told you So dance and I designed a logo (especially with TS in mind) lolol/
(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/284/photo1eqy.jpg)
I think some are turning too much to the right (it's all a movie, MJ is just pranking) and some are turning too much to the left (MJ was in danger every step of the way and had to quickly hoax his death). I will walk in the middle if y'all don't mind. I believe Michael planned this many many MANY years ago. I also believe that the plan advanced in a later stage when the FBI got involved and I also believe there is a fair possibility that the plan changed again in the last stage and that someone in his team was a rat. Because there is indeed no reason for UCLA. It's too much of a risk, too many people involved and besides: it's a hospital, people in danger need to have access to it as quick as possible and with thousands of fans around, that will be harder. So there is a chance that that was added to the script later on, although I must say that I do not see why yet.
I believe Michael did this for many reasons. As an artist: to make the biggest production ever, one of which people will still talk about many many years from now. I also think he wants to expose some very shady figures, and many other lies and BS in our world today. This is why the 'rat in camp MJ' possibility is very plausible. I also think he wants to get back at the public and the media for what was done to him. I also think he wants to warn people for the EOW. Some of the atheists here might not agree with that, merely because they don't believe it themselves, but unfortunately it's not your hoax, it's Michael's hoax and Michael is a God fearing man. He knows his Bible and he can recognize the signs. This is more than just a movie, more than just a prank. It's his life work and whether you like it or not, there are serious elements attached to it. I don't see how Diana Ross being his alleged wife and Omer being his alleged son has anything to do with all this by the way, no offence.
And I agree on the whiners. If you still can't make up your mind after 2.5 years whether or not he is alive, then you never will believe. That's fine, but stop whining and asking for attention. The fan forums are for that, they wine and cry all day there.
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said Souza and to add one more thing, I believe it's also to bring a harsh awareness to our own characters as humans and to open our eyes to what we say we believe and how we are living our lives. The lessons are there, if we will humble ourselves and start with changing ourselves.
ABE LINCOLN
HE'S ALIVE!!!! (http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/30/abe-lincoln-alive/)
9 MINUTES AGO BY TMZ STAFF
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/11/30/1130-abraham-lincoln.jpg)
Abraham Lincoln was spotted in a Virginia restaurant today.
We hear he has great abs.
Okay, that was our BAM for today. I can go to bed now.
Okay, that was our BAM for today. I can go to bed now.
Bring some munchies
LOL Gema, bec and I were saying the exact same thing to each other on Skype. Glad you posted it, hahahahaha, we didn't have the balls.
by reading the underlined parts, TS's message is clear. BE strong. Keep the faith. It's not over - the world will learn everything...
It think he posted all those quotes from the family, then did a :shock: face because he's shocked that people still think Michael's dead, or maybe he's shocked that some soldiers still believe there was/is no illuminati after him, when he's given us all this evidence that there in fact is.
I think some are turning too much to the right (it's all a movie, MJ is just pranking) and some are turning too much to the left (MJ was in danger every step of the way and had to quickly hoax his death). I will walk in the middle if y'all don't mind. I believe Michael planned this many many MANY years ago. I also believe that the plan advanced in a later stage when the FBI got involved and I also believe there is a fair possibility that the plan changed again in the last stage and that someone in his team was a rat. Because there is indeed no reason for UCLA. It's too much of a risk, too many people involved and besides: it's a hospital, people in danger need to have access to it as quick as possible and with thousands of fans around, that will be harder. So there is a chance that that was added to the script later on, although I must say that I do not see why yet.
I believe Michael did this for many reasons. As an artist: to make the biggest production ever, one of which people will still talk about many many years from now. I also think he wants to expose some very shady figures, and many other lies and BS in our world today. This is why the 'rat in camp MJ' possibility is very plausible. I also think he wants to get back at the public and the media for what was done to him. I also think he wants to warn people for the EOW. Some of the atheists here might not agree with that, merely because they don't believe it themselves, but unfortunately it's not your hoax, it's Michael's hoax and Michael is a God fearing man. He knows his Bible and he can recognize the signs. This is more than just a movie, more than just a prank. It's his life work and whether you like it or not, there are serious elements attached to it. I don't see how Diana Ross being his alleged wife and Omer being his alleged son has anything to do with all this by the way, no offence.
And I agree on the whiners. If you still can't make up your mind after 2.5 years whether or not he is alive, then you never will believe. That's fine, but stop whining and asking for attention. The fan forums are for that, they wine and cry all day there.
I think some are turning too much to the right (it's all a movie, MJ is just pranking) and some are turning too much to the left (MJ was in danger every step of the way and had to quickly hoax his death). I will walk in the middle if y'all don't mind. I believe Michael planned this many many MANY years ago. I also believe that the plan advanced in a later stage when the FBI got involved and I also believe there is a fair possibility that the plan changed again in the last stage and that someone in his team was a rat. Because there is indeed no reason for UCLA. It's too much of a risk, too many people involved and besides: it's a hospital, people in danger need to have access to it as quick as possible and with thousands of fans around, that will be harder. So there is a chance that that was added to the script later on, although I must say that I do not see why yet.
I believe Michael did this for many reasons. As an artist: to make the biggest production ever, one of which people will still talk about many many years from now. I also think he wants to expose some very shady figures, and many other lies and BS in our world today. This is why the 'rat in camp MJ' possibility is very plausible. I also think he wants to get back at the public and the media for what was done to him. I also think he wants to warn people for the EOW. Some of the atheists here might not agree with that, merely because they don't believe it themselves, but unfortunately it's not your hoax, it's Michael's hoax and Michael is a God fearing man. He knows his Bible and he can recognize the signs. This is more than just a movie, more than just a prank. It's his life work and whether you like it or not, there are serious elements attached to it. I don't see how Diana Ross being his alleged wife and Omer being his alleged son has anything to do with all this by the way, no offence.
And I agree on the whiners. If you still can't make up your mind after 2.5 years whether or not he is alive, then you never will believe. That's fine, but stop whining and asking for attention. The fan forums are for that, they wine and cry all day there.
LOL Gema, bec and I were saying the exact same thing to each other on Skype. Glad you posted it, hahahahaha, we didn't have the balls.
Yeah and they don't let you see his hands and he is posing. He looks slightly bemused, yet serious, yet pleased all at the same time. And he appears to be waiting for something. Seems to like pepper as well. His hair is *perfect* and incredible, yet his beard looks a little fake-ish. The beard line below the bottom lip looks forced and unnatural. He is a very sexy old man.
Okay, that was our BAM for today. I can go to bed now.
Bring some munchies
Im watching X-factor too lol. His music is the only reason I'll sit through a whole show :/.
Did anyone notice Abraham Lincoln has 7 letters in both names. Might not be relevant.
SEHF you make me l-o-l
Abe Lincoln and X-Factor....is that what it has come to.....really? :P :(
I believe Michael did this for many reasons. As an artist: to make the biggest production ever, one of which people will still talk about many many years from now. I also think he wants to expose some very shady figures, and many other lies and BS in our world today. This is why the 'rat in camp MJ' possibility is very plausible. I also think he wants to get back at the public and the media for what was done to him. I also think he wants to warn people for the EOW. Some of the atheists here might not agree with that, merely because they don't believe it themselves, but unfortunately it's not your hoax, it's Michael's hoax and Michael is a God fearing man. He knows his Bible and he can recognize the signs. This is more than just a movie, more than just a prank. It's his life work and whether you like it or not, there are serious elements attached to it.
And we know more about Murray's reaction to the sentence. He's saying he's "surprisingly upbeat" about the sentence, telling one friend, "I'm just relieved it's finally over," adding, "Don't worry, I'm fine, and I'll be out soon."
X Factor is Michael Jackson night... Katherine, MJ's Kids, Tito, Marlon & Jackie are all there.
hmmmm, this may also be in line with my theory of yesterday: meaning one part of the hoax is done, i.e. Murray found guilty and sentenced to jail.
I also believe that there is more to ‘the story’. A lot of things have to happen first before Michael comes back. GinaFelicia, I believe that you are right. The ‘stage’ in definitely not set for a comeback as of yet. It will be but not yet. We still have to ‘simmer’ a bit longer.
Re: TIAI NOVEMBER 30
« Reply #89 on: Today at 07:59:45 AM »
Well it's not Michael but look what Harvey just tweeted.
Harvey Levin
@HarveyLevinTMZ Harvey Levin
Abraham Lincoln is ALIVE!!! Spotted today in a Virginia restaurant http://twitpic.com/7mb9xo
@2good...thanks for the "I'm Alive" video...it worked ::P
I've been watching a lot of youtube vids of MJ the last couple days cause I've been in need lol. Watching him is the best natural high.
With L.O.V.E. always.
I just want to cheer everyone up...Michael Jackson...I'M ALIVEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPdDi2GBJM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPdDi2GBJM[/youtube]
Well TS. You really left us hanging, didn't you?
You stated that level 7 would be completed no later then 11/29/11, even if you had to finish it yourself.
Today is 12/1/11. Level 7 remains unfinished. We haven't the foggiest idea of the hows of the sting or court or the alleged FBI involvement. We didn't even get settled on who or what went to UCLA in the ambulance. Stories buried and untold.
You haven't lived up to your word.
I'm disappointed and upset at the lack of TRUTH and clarity.
bangbangWell TS. You really left us hanging, didn't you?
You stated that level 7 would be completed no later then 11/29/11, even if you had to finish it yourself.
Today is 12/1/11. Level 7 remains unfinished. We haven't the foggiest idea of the hows of the sting or court or the alleged FBI involvement. We didn't even get settled on who or what went to UCLA in the ambulance. Stories buried and untold.
You haven't lived up to your word.
I'm disappointed and upset at the lack of TRUTH and clarity.
Bec, it's not the first time he didn't keep his promise, did he?
A li_r? Or a c_wa_d? Or b_th?
Yeah and they don't let you see his hands and he is posing. He looks slightly bemused, yet serious, yet pleased all at the same time. And he appears to be waiting for something. Seems to like pepper as well. His hair is *perfect* and incredible, yet his beard looks a little fake-ish. The beard line below the bottom lip looks forced and unnatural. He is a very sexy old man.
But he is Daniel Day Lewis.
bangbang
Bec, it's not the first time he didn't keep his promise, did he?
A li_r? Or a c_wa_d? Or b_th?
I'm sorry but this cannot be tolerated. Please show RESPECT. How can you say that?? Do you have any idea of what's going on? There can be many reasons for this delay. We're going nowhere if there is no TOLERANCE and RESPECT. So sad to read that kind of things.
bangbangWell TS. You really left us hanging, didn't you?
You stated that level 7 would be completed no later then 11/29/11, even if you had to finish it yourself.
Today is 12/1/11. Level 7 remains unfinished. We haven't the foggiest idea of the hows of the sting or court or the alleged FBI involvement. We didn't even get settled on who or what went to UCLA in the ambulance. Stories buried and untold.
You haven't lived up to your word.
I'm disappointed and upset at the lack of TRUTH and clarity.
Bec, it's not the first time he didn't keep his promise, did he?
A li_r? Or a c_wa_d? Or b_th?
I'm sorry but this cannot be tolerated. Please show RESPECT. How can you say that?? Do you have any idea of what's going on? There can be many reasons for this delay. We're going nowhere if there is no TOLERANCE and RESPECT. So sad to read that kind of things.
bangbangWell TS. You really left us hanging, didn't you?
You stated that level 7 would be completed no later then 11/29/11, even if you had to finish it yourself.
Today is 12/1/11. Level 7 remains unfinished. We haven't the foggiest idea of the hows of the sting or court or the alleged FBI involvement. We didn't even get settled on who or what went to UCLA in the ambulance. Stories buried and untold.
You haven't lived up to your word.
I'm disappointed and upset at the lack of TRUTH and clarity.
Bec, it's not the first time he didn't keep his promise, did he?
A li_r? Or a c_wa_d? Or b_th?
bangbangWell TS. You really left us hanging, didn't you?
You stated that level 7 would be completed no later then 11/29/11, even if you had to finish it yourself.
Today is 12/1/11. Level 7 remains unfinished. We haven't the foggiest idea of the hows of the sting or court or the alleged FBI involvement. We didn't even get settled on who or what went to UCLA in the ambulance. Stories buried and untold.
You haven't lived up to your word.
I'm disappointed and upset at the lack of TRUTH and clarity.
Bec, it's not the first time he didn't keep his promise, did he?
A li_r? Or a c_wa_d? Or b_th?
I just want to cheer everyone up...Michael Jackson...I'M ALIVEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPdDi2GBJM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPdDi2GBJM[/youtube]
Just thought I would post this video, as it pertains to the illuminati and the music industry...please watch if you can, and watch it to the end.....POOR MICHAEL and all the others......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xabAcgvW0Zg
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xabAcgvW0Zg[/youtube]
Whoah--demanding, much? TS isn't the Great Oz...stuff happens, in real life--even affecting Hoaxland... :-\
But, on another subject, I wondered myself why this redirect was all in caps, so i put it into my anagram wizard and amongst some other BIZARRE things, THIS appeared:
"A Rebirth Invite My To"' or, in another order,
MY INVITE TO A REBIRTH. /toldya/ /toldya/ /toldya/
I don't know if that means anything to anyone else, but I was doing this all night, :shock: bounce/
The more I know, the less I know I know, so don't go nuts...but...er... errrr albino/ /woohoo/
You CAN if you want to!!!!! mj_dance/ TS must have meant to tell us SOMETHING---if he couldn't tie up the 7b and c. Maybe he was technologically challenged, because all he had working was his phone. /pull hair/
bangbangWell TS. You really left us hanging, didn't you?
You stated that level 7 would be completed no later then 11/29/11, even if you had to finish it yourself.
Today is 12/1/11. Level 7 remains unfinished. We haven't the foggiest idea of the hows of the sting or court or the alleged FBI involvement. We didn't even get settled on who or what went to UCLA in the ambulance. Stories buried and untold.
You haven't lived up to your word.
I'm disappointed and upset at the lack of TRUTH and clarity.
Bec, it's not the first time he didn't keep his promise, did he?
A li_r? Or a c_wa_d? Or b_th?
I'm sorry but this cannot be tolerated. Please show RESPECT. How can you say that?? Do you have any idea of what's going on? There can be many reasons for this delay. We're going nowhere if there is no TOLERANCE and RESPECT. So sad to read that kind of things.
Yeah, seriously... look how far TS has gotten us. I don't know about you all, but my faith would be no where near as strong as it is now without him. & sure we could've figured out some of the stuff without him, eventually. But there's a lot that still would be a mystery without him. I'm just as confused as you bec. but like Sarahli said, there could be many reasons for the delay... :?
Since the start of the hoax going back to the first user name TS posted under (S.T.U.D.Y.) he gave only so much info and provided links to evidence to avoid entrapment (sting) and to allow people to think for themselves. He said there was a very good reason why he waited to post. He didn't want people to think he was the reason for them finding out about the hoax. He didn't post until well after 6/25/09.
As TS he told us only so much info (which IMO was alot) he provided links to evidence and he encouraged us to think for ourselves. We have had waiting periods in the past when TS didn't post anything. During those waiting periods people found other things to discuss and people used that time to discover the truth by investigating. People used that time to re-read TS' posts and explore the links he added. The theme is think for yourself not TS give me the answer on a silver platter. I know what he said and I also know that he has changed his mind in the past or has had issues come up.
He stated in Level 7 recently that the truth is there for anyone to find it IF they really mean wanting to know the truth and not just writing it. He also said there are issues he wants to address and clear up.
There will come a time when this hoax is over and TS will no longer post. We will have to go on and do our lives. If people become to dependant on TS, then when it does end you may be shell schocked. It is better to learn how to live with out him now so it won't come as a huge schock later.
There will come a time when this hoax is over and TS will no longer post. We will have to go on and do our lives. If people become to dependant on TS, then when it does end you may be shell schocked. It is better to learn how to live with out him now so it won't come as a huge schock later.
As TS he told us only so much info (which IMO was alot) he provided links to evidence and he encouraged us to think for ourselves. We have had waiting periods in the past when TS didn't post anything. During those waiting periods people found other things to discuss and people used that time to discover the truth by investigating. People used that time to re-read TS' posts and explore the links he added. The theme is think for yourself not TS give me the answer on a silver platter. I know what he said and I also know that he has changed his mind in the past or has had issues come up.Good plan. As long as people stick around and don't let numbers drop to conversations of 5 posting.
The ‘System’ will be exposed and will find itself cornered. All of her ‘schemes and plans’ will be exposed. The ‘System’ will destroy itself.I believe that is why Michael has trimmed us down to a small size, like Gideon’s army of 300 against the Midianites, who in the Bible story turned on each other and destroyed each other in their panic. We are more important to TS than we realize, even as some of us feel TS is important to us staying here, reading and posting. He is reading what we say.
This is all a part of the plan and the ‘deception’ plays a crucial role in making this happen.
We will know the truth but in due timing. But a lot of things have to fall into place first.
As for AEG being the bad guys: Like Souza, I do not reject this idea at all but I still believe its WAY more complicated than that.
I’m also very excited today so you guys are not alone. I’m just happy to be on this adventure with everyone! I love you all!! <3
And DON’T forget! We are all here for a reason. This did not affect us the way that it did for nothing. There are NO coincidences!
300 8-)
Im_convincedmjaliveQuoteAs TS he told us only so much info (which IMO was alot) he provided links to evidence and he encouraged us to think for ourselves. We have had waiting periods in the past when TS didn't post anything. During those waiting periods people found other things to discuss and people used that time to discover the truth by investigating. People used that time to re-read TS' posts and explore the links he added. The theme is think for yourself not TS give me the answer on a silver platter. I know what he said and I also know that he has changed his mind in the past or has had issues come up.Good plan. As long as people stick around and don't let numbers drop to conversations of 5 posting.
WhiteknightQuoteThe ‘System’ will be exposed and will find itself cornered. All of her ‘schemes and plans’ will be exposed. The ‘System’ will destroy itself.I believe that is why Michael has trimmed us down to a small size, like Gideon’s army of 300 against the Midianites, who in the Bible story turned on each other and destroyed each other in their panic. We are more important to TS than we realize, even as some of us feel TS is important to us staying here, reading and posting. He is reading what we say.
This is all a part of the plan and the ‘deception’ plays a crucial role in making this happen.
We will know the truth but in due timing. But a lot of things have to fall into place first.
As for AEG being the bad guys: Like Souza, I do not reject this idea at all but I still believe its WAY more complicated than that.
I’m also very excited today so you guys are not alone. I’m just happy to be on this adventure with everyone! I love you all!! <3
And DON’T forget! We are all here for a reason. This did not affect us the way that it did for nothing. There are NO coincidences!
Applehead I've always loved the Coroner van video with the others jumping out.
Especially now with TMZ posting the pic about Abraham Lincoln alive--see him jump out. Next it will be Elvis, then Jesus--well... Wait--did ALL four hoax their deaths! ;)
Here's 2 more videos I've enjoyed lately. The first is MJ's voice coach talking about how happy and kidding around MJ was the last day or 2 before the 25th.
The second is old, the making of Thriller, but watch MJ and Ola prancing at 1:50 or so. I believe he's just as full of energy and fun today!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXhbNwTPMLE&feature=endscreen&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXhbNwTPMLE&feature=endscreen&NR=1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUgbVfytUKM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUgbVfytUKM&feature=related)
300 8-)
Oh no. Sorry guys. You are only as good as your word in this world and I, like many of you, are not accustomed to TS's words being empty. So I do not think it is unreasonable of me to request an answer for why he didn't follow through this time.
For a man who has been able to post on the exact date and time he pre-planned out for the past 2+ years to not be able to post is really not an option. If he hasn't posted it's because he has chosen not to.
TS is the one who said level 7 will be finished no later then 11/29/11 even if he has to finish it himself, not anyone else. He made the choice to put in print a public deadline of a specific event occurring on a specific date. So when he is a no-show, what, we are just supposed to forget about it? Look the other way? Collectively brush it off? Well I disagree.
It's unfortunate that VeryLittleSuzy chose to say such hurtful things. Those kinds of things are unwarranted and mean spirited. That's not where I am at and I wish you all that had chosen to quote her could have deleted my post that she quoted to go along with it because it's misleading. I do not reflect her sentiment nor do I support such nastiness. Just stating for the record in case it wasn't already obvious.
I'm annoyed, yes, sure I am. I think considering the level of devotion we have shown and PROVEN over these years we deserve a little more respect then a big fat no-show/no-call.
...
At this rate, maybe we can wrap it all up by the end of the weekend :lol:...wouldn't that be great! But something tells me that no matter what we come up with, the ending to the level will occur on a date that's already been predetermined (maybe Nov 29?).
It's possible that we could finish early.
However, we will finish no later than November 29--even if I have to do 7b and 7c without any help (7a is nearly complete already).
And now (drum roll) … we are at the final level—level number 7! (7 represents completion). Now it’s time to take everything that we have learned so far (in the previous levels, etc), and put the last few pieces of the puzzle into place.
This is the final frontier for the hoax; the “when’s” and “why’s” have already been thoroughly established, especially through the numerology—and more than a year has gone by, without anyone even making a serious attempt to claim the $999 reward. Therefore, the only frontier left is the “how’s” of the hoax, which is exactly what we have been going through in the levels; and this is the last of the levels, therefore we are now entering the conclusion of the final frontier—THIS IS IT!
The previous levels were not a waste, because without them we would not be where we are now. Much of the research has already been done, and some of the pieces have already come together (just like the picture above); but we still have a few major areas that need completed (just like the picture above). As I have said already, the minor details on the “how’s” are not very important (and may never been fully understood); however, for more than one reason, the major aspects of the “how’s” should be resolved.
For example, level 3 never really got resolved (who or what, if anything, went to UCLA in the ambulance?). I am confident that this will be resolved, though, before the end of level 7. Another major area, that keeps popping up unresolved, is the idea that the ambulance was at Carolwood and UCLA on some day other than 6-25-09; and closely related is the fairly common idea that two or more ambulances were used (supposedly different lettering, reflector, wrong shadows, etc).
There are quite a few such theories floating around, and they all need to be thoroughly debunked for once and for all—so that we can see the simplicity of doing everything as real as possible, other than the very few things that required otherwise (such as the ambulance photo). There would be no need whatsoever to be running ambulances and firetrucks around town, on one or more days before 6-25-09, like kids playing with their toys. It would only create numerous opportunities to raise suspicions, at the least. Also, to NOT have the ambulance at Carolwood and then UCLA on 6-25 would be another sure fire way to raise major suspicions.
The ambulance photo needed to be staged in advance, because of the great difficulty getting a good picture through the window “on the fly”; and if you missed the one chance, you would not get another. But staging that photo in advance would not raise public suspicion, if it was done indoors.
Also, some seem to think that the ambulance picture was generated from nothing, in good-old “Photoshop”; but the reality is, no matter how good you are at Photoshop, you don’t just start from nothing and end up with a high resolution photograph (like the ambulance photo). Staging the ambulance photo gives you the basic picture(s) to work from; and then you can modify it with Photoshop (such as adding the car reflection, by taking a separate photo of the car, and then layering it in Photoshop with some transparency).
So I want to start this level by debunking all the false theories about the ambulance (such as more than one ambulance, or it went to UCLA on a different day, etc). There is little point in discussing who or what went to UCLA on June 25 in the ambulance, if we’re not even sure whether the ambulance itself went to UCLA on June 25 2009! I need your help bringing all these theories to this thread, whether you believe in them or not; but please read all the posts in this thread before posting one of these theories, and make sure that it’s not a repeat of the same basic theory already discussed and debunked. Also, anyone can help out in the debunking process as well; this will help us get to the end faster.
8-)
Once that is done (level 7a), we’ll move on to level 7b; I probably won’t start a new thread, but I will post a picture in this thread of another puzzle piece put into place. Level 7b will be who or what went to UCLA on June 25, 2009. When that is resolved, I will post another step in the puzzle pieces coming together; and we will finish this level with 7c, which will be any further details about the FBI, sting, and court. When level 7c is done, I will post a picture of the completed puzzle.
penguin/
At this point, I’m going to give you a couple of real good pointers, which should help you as we go through this final level. Start with the fewest people possible in on it, which would actually be zero and no hoax (MJ really died); and then work backwards from that point—changing nothing from the no hoax scenario, except what is NEEDED to be changed in order to accomplish the hoax. I already gave you an example with the ambulance: if MJ really died, then the ambulance came to Carolwood and went to UCLA on June 25, 2009. Don’t change that for the hoax, unless there is a need for it to happen on a different day. And use this same principle, in putting all the pieces together.
Last but not least, here is a real good statement from bec, which she posted in my recent thread about the timing of the 911 call (12:20 or 12:21?). Keep this concept in mind, because it applies to far more than just the 911 call. “One good reason I can think of doing an actual call that day (not 911, just a call) is for realism later. It’s very easy to keep up appearances if what you are talking about actually happened. Alvarez’s testimony and statements, Murray’s statements on this documentary, they can be describing an actual staged scene as opposed to just a figment of imagination. Recalling an actual event would give their statements a sense of realism, instead of them simply reciting lines.” {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21289.msg370203#msg370203 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21289.msg370203#msg370203)}.
and we will finish this level with 7c, which will be any further details about the FBI, sting, and court.
When level 7c is done, I will post a picture of the completed puzzle.
This has nothing to do with Bamsday, sandy, this has to do with his own specific announcement of a deadline for the completion of Level 7:...
At this rate, maybe we can wrap it all up by the end of the weekend :lol:...wouldn't that be great! But something tells me that no matter what we come up with, the ending to the level will occur on a date that's already been predetermined (maybe Nov 29?).
It's possible that we could finish early.
However, we will finish no later than November 29--even if I have to do 7b and 7c without any help (7a is nearly complete already).
In regards to Level 7:
And now (drum roll) … we are at the final level—level number 7! (7 represents completion). Now it’s time to take everything that we have learned so far (in the previous levels, etc), and put the last few pieces of the puzzle into place.
This is the final frontier for the hoax; the “when’s” and “why’s” have already been thoroughly established, especially through the numerology—and more than a year has gone by, without anyone even making a serious attempt to claim the $999 reward. Therefore, the only frontier left is the “how’s” of the hoax, which is exactly what we have been going through in the levels; and this is the last of the levels, therefore we are now entering the conclusion of the final frontier—THIS IS IT!
The previous levels were not a waste, because without them we would not be where we are now. Much of the research has already been done, and some of the pieces have already come together (just like the picture above); but we still have a few major areas that need completed (just like the picture above). As I have said already, the minor details on the “how’s” are not very important (and may never been fully understood); however, for more than one reason, the major aspects of the “how’s” should be resolved.
For example, level 3 never really got resolved (who or what, if anything, went to UCLA in the ambulance?). I am confident that this will be resolved, though, before the end of level 7. Another major area, that keeps popping up unresolved, is the idea that the ambulance was at Carolwood and UCLA on some day other than 6-25-09; and closely related is the fairly common idea that two or more ambulances were used (supposedly different lettering, reflector, wrong shadows, etc).
There are quite a few such theories floating around, and they all need to be thoroughly debunked for once and for all—so that we can see the simplicity of doing everything as real as possible, other than the very few things that required otherwise (such as the ambulance photo). There would be no need whatsoever to be running ambulances and firetrucks around town, on one or more days before 6-25-09, like kids playing with their toys. It would only create numerous opportunities to raise suspicions, at the least. Also, to NOT have the ambulance at Carolwood and then UCLA on 6-25 would be another sure fire way to raise major suspicions.
The ambulance photo needed to be staged in advance, because of the great difficulty getting a good picture through the window “on the fly”; and if you missed the one chance, you would not get another. But staging that photo in advance would not raise public suspicion, if it was done indoors.
Also, some seem to think that the ambulance picture was generated from nothing, in good-old “Photoshop”; but the reality is, no matter how good you are at Photoshop, you don’t just start from nothing and end up with a high resolution photograph (like the ambulance photo). Staging the ambulance photo gives you the basic picture(s) to work from; and then you can modify it with Photoshop (such as adding the car reflection, by taking a separate photo of the car, and then layering it in Photoshop with some transparency).
So I want to start this level by debunking all the false theories about the ambulance (such as more than one ambulance, or it went to UCLA on a different day, etc). There is little point in discussing who or what went to UCLA on June 25 in the ambulance, if we’re not even sure whether the ambulance itself went to UCLA on June 25 2009! I need your help bringing all these theories to this thread, whether you believe in them or not; but please read all the posts in this thread before posting one of these theories, and make sure that it’s not a repeat of the same basic theory already discussed and debunked. Also, anyone can help out in the debunking process as well; this will help us get to the end faster.
8-)
Once that is done (level 7a), we’ll move on to level 7b; I probably won’t start a new thread, but I will post a picture in this thread of another puzzle piece put into place. Level 7b will be who or what went to UCLA on June 25, 2009. When that is resolved, I will post another step in the puzzle pieces coming together; and we will finish this level with 7c, which will be any further details about the FBI, sting, and court. When level 7c is done, I will post a picture of the completed puzzle.
penguin/
At this point, I’m going to give you a couple of real good pointers, which should help you as we go through this final level. Start with the fewest people possible in on it, which would actually be zero and no hoax (MJ really died); and then work backwards from that point—changing nothing from the no hoax scenario, except what is NEEDED to be changed in order to accomplish the hoax. I already gave you an example with the ambulance: if MJ really died, then the ambulance came to Carolwood and went to UCLA on June 25, 2009. Don’t change that for the hoax, unless there is a need for it to happen on a different day. And use this same principle, in putting all the pieces together.
Last but not least, here is a real good statement from bec, which she posted in my recent thread about the timing of the 911 call (12:20 or 12:21?). Keep this concept in mind, because it applies to far more than just the 911 call. “One good reason I can think of doing an actual call that day (not 911, just a call) is for realism later. It’s very easy to keep up appearances if what you are talking about actually happened. Alvarez’s testimony and statements, Murray’s statements on this documentary, they can be describing an actual staged scene as opposed to just a figment of imagination. Recalling an actual event would give their statements a sense of realism, instead of them simply reciting lines.” {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21289.msg370203#msg370203 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21289.msg370203#msg370203)}.
So maybe that's just it, gang. Maybe we just failed. Level 7 is finished. TS said he would post another stage in the puzzle, he didn't say it would be a pic. So maybe that's open to interpretation. He said we would finish 7c. with,and we will finish this level with 7c, which will be any further details about the FBI, sting, and court.
what the hell does that mean if it doesn't mean what we thought it meant? He is very careful with his words so can anyone tell me what else that could mean???
Maybe I just ASSumed that level 7b and 7c would proceed as 7a did. Maybe he really didn't say he would post a pic of a puzzle piece in place. Maybe 7c is actually not finished as he has not posted the pic of the completed puzzle. Maybe I'm just a raving loon.
For me, the faith aspect applies here too. Just like the faith I have that MJ is alive and this is a hoax death, I have the same type of faith that TS will finish what he started. Look back at his past track record. You know it. He will complete what he started. In the mean time, I find myself with a greater desire to search out the scriptures with fresher eyes. And my family and animals are enjoying my full attention instead of the rations I have been forcing upon them for the past two years.
@TS....I love you and appreciate you and trust you without question to stay with us for the course of this hoax.
Isaiah 30:15.....In quietness and confidence shall be your strength.....
I just realized TS didn't specify November 29th of THIS YEAR. 2011 is an assumption.
Bec, I understand what you are saying, we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe something happened to him, family emergency, he is not feeling well. Just be patient dear.. It is not TS to be late and to ignore us..
I just realized TS didn't specify November 29th of THIS YEAR. 2011 is an assumption.
Yeah I didn't want to actually say it though.
7b will be who or what went to UCLA on June 25, 2009. When that is resolved, I will post another step in the puzzle pieces coming together; and we will finish this level with 7c, which will be any further details about the FBI, sting, and court. When level 7c is done, I will post a picture of the completed puzzle.
Toot, it's not the 'no-BAM' I am disappointed about. I said before that I was fully aware of the fact that I could be wrong. What I am mostly disappointed about is that it seems that we are back at TMZ clues (He's alive article) and hatmans (whether or not it was Michael himself, which I doubt btw). We have been there, we have done that. I can only speak for myself and if others think it is fun that we are being played with again, then fine. But I have been here for 2.5 years because I want to help get out the truth, because there is more to this than just disguises and TMZ clues. That Michael actually has a good reason to do all this. To me, throwing us back in time 2 years to play with the clues and hatman again, is very annoying. We have been there, and done that. If it means that I was wrong about Michael's reasons, that it indeed is all for fun like some think, then I'm out. That's not what I'm here for. If I am right about his reasons, then he should understand that throwing clues and hatmans at us is not only old and annoying, but also a little disrespectful. Besides that, it again makes us look like lunatics.
The trial is over, now what? Are we back to disguises and clues to keep us hanging until the civil case in September? Are we on repeat here? I am still very certain that I am right about his reasons, that he is doing this for more than just entertainment. But why back to clues? Trying to get the non-believers on board? Forget that, they are willingly ignorant. Is it to play with the hoaxers? Fine too, but I'm not playing that game anymore. I am not still here after 2.5 years to chase my own tail.
Is this ALL your love, support, endurance, understanding and patience for him? If it is so then leave him and the hoax behind. If it is not then stop whining. You are stronger than that.
And how do we know that the hat man is suppose to be a clue? Maybe that's just a man that went there to watch the event. And? You guys are losing your patience and started to whine like desperate housewives. That's what's going on. I'm pretty sure that TS is reading the forum but waiting for something to make his next post. Maybe the right time or something to happen. So, I think you guys need to take a deep breath before you jump to conclusions. TS wrote that this was going to end at the end of November but it didn't. Ohh what a big deal! Maybe there was a change in plans. Do we know what's going on behind the curtain?
The clues are coming still and what's wrong with that? Until MJ BAMs, do you not want to receive any more clues? I can not imagine us without getting any clues. Almost everyone would be losing their faith. There has to be clues, that's how we found out the hoax and stayed here for the last 2,5 years. It doesn't mean that we went back to the beginning, it means that we're continuing the journey. I know that we are all tired and started to lose our patience but remember what Michael asked from us. He said:
"Give me all your endurance, your patience, your understanding."
Is this ALL your love, support, endurance, understanding and patience for him? If it is so then leave him and the hoax behind. If it is not then stop whining. You are stronger than that.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcDmTPtjz34[/youtube]
I just want Michael to know that he should stop throwing bones at us and take us seriously and treat us as worthy after 2.5 years. I think we deserved that.
I just want Michael to know that he should stop throwing bones at us and take us seriously and treat us as worthy after 2.5 years. I think we deserved that.
This.
What? No I'm agreeing with Souza. Minimalist, you know, to say "I agree with this". This.
Toot, it's not the 'no-BAM' I am disappointed about. I said before that I was fully aware of the fact that I could be wrong. What I am mostly disappointed about is that it seems that we are back at TMZ clues (He's alive article) and hatmans (whether or not it was Michael himself, which I doubt btw). We have been there, we have done that. I can only speak for myself and if others think it is fun that we are being played with again, then fine. But I have been here for 2.5 years because I want to help get out the truth, because there is more to this than just disguises and TMZ clues. That Michael actually has a good reason to do all this. To me, throwing us back in time 2 years to play with the clues and hatman again, is very annoying. We have been there, and done that. If it means that I was wrong about Michael's reasons, that it indeed is all for fun like some think, then I'm out. That's not what I'm here for. If I am right about his reasons, then he should understand that throwing clues and hatmans at us is not only old and annoying, but also a little disrespectful. Besides that, it again makes us look like lunatics.
The trial is over, now what? Are we back to disguises and clues to keep us hanging until the civil case in September? Are we on repeat here? I am still very certain that I am right about his reasons, that he is doing this for more than just entertainment. But why back to clues? Trying to get the non-believers on board? Forget that, they are willingly ignorant. Is it to play with the hoaxers? Fine too, but I'm not playing that game anymore. I am not still here after 2.5 years to chase my own tail.
@bec&Souza I can't believe you guys. I mean I actually can't believe you.
And to TS, who I am sure he/she is reading, just want to say HI /white flag/.
You guys should maybe back off Souza. Focus on me if you want to get hot n bothered.
@bec&Souza I can't believe you guys. I mean I actually can't believe you.
And to TS, who I am sure he/she is reading, just want to say HI /white flag/.
Same here.
I cant believe what im hearing.
I appreciate You Souza for what you were doing and may continue to do, but come on.
You had to know what you were getting into when you opened the Forum and started believing in this Hoax. Michael and TS don't owe us anything. If we are given a ''TMZ'' Clue to dissect then we should dissect it. If we are given a Mystery Hat Man then we should investigate him.
Is it a major clue no but im sure there is a reason for it.
Maybe the best thing for you souza is to relax , listen to ''Keep Your Head Up'' and take a breath.
I don't know what it takes from you in running this forum and how much maintenance you do here but surely you can take a small breather.
Again i appreciate your work on this forum.
No disrespect intended in this.
I seem to have lost the power, if I ever had it, to put together a comprehensive post. Keep starting them and deciding they're not appropriate!
Just want to give support to Souza and Bec. I'll leave it at that!
/bravo/ Where would we be without you Souza!I seem to have lost the power, if I ever had it, to put together a comprehensive post. Keep starting them and deciding they're not appropriate!
Just want to give support to Souza and Bec. I'll leave it at that!
couldnt have said it better. as i have said before, this forum is not a right, its a privledge. be grateful and count your blessings.
I'm not getting bothered. Maybe just hot.That's cause of the avatars you've been putting up lately. :lol:
This is random but the ending of Moonwalker just jumped into my mind. The bit when the little girl was upset and seemed defeated and crying in the corner away from the 2 boys ...and then......well we know the ending.That's my avatar--the come-back! But BAM who knows what it will be like!
@bec&Souza I can't believe you guys. I mean I actually can't believe you.
And to TS, who I am sure he/she is reading, just want to say HI /white flag/.
Same here.
I cant believe what im hearing.
I appreciate You Souza for what you were doing and may continue to do, but come on.
You had to know what you were getting into when you opened the Forum and started believing in this Hoax. Michael and TS don't owe us anything. If we are given a ''TMZ'' Clue to dissect then we should dissect it. If we are given a Mystery Hat Man then we should investigate him.
Is it a major clue no but im sure there is a reason for it.
Maybe the best thing for you souza is to relax , listen to ''Keep Your Head Up'' and take a breath.
I don't know what it takes from you in running this forum and how much maintenance you do here but surely you can take a small breather.
Again i appreciate your work on this forum.
No disrespect intended in this.
@gina, please don't grovel to TS. For whatever reason, he mislead us, admit it. And that's not disrespecting him, that's just saying it like it is.
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I'm not getting bothered. Maybe just hot.
That's cause of the avatars you've been putting up lately. :lol:
@bec&Souza I can't believe you guys. I mean I actually can't believe you.
And to TS, who I am sure he/she is reading, just want to say HI /white flag/.
Same here.
I cant believe what im hearing.
I appreciate You Souza for what you were doing and may continue to do, but come on.
You had to know what you were getting into when you opened the Forum and started believing in this Hoax. Michael and TS don't owe us anything. If we are given a ''TMZ'' Clue to dissect then we should dissect it. If we are given a Mystery Hat Man then we should investigate him.
Is it a major clue no but im sure there is a reason for it.
Maybe the best thing for you souza is to relax , listen to ''Keep Your Head Up'' and take a breath.
I don't know what it takes from you in running this forum and how much maintenance you do here but surely you can take a small breather.
Again i appreciate your work on this forum.
No disrespect intended in this.
Maybe if you were here as long as some of us are, you would understand what I mean.
I am NOT saying what Michael should DO, I am not telling Michael that he owes me shit, but Michael needs to understand that we are passed those clues and that keep throwing bones at us like those, is irritating and it even comes across to me as disrespectful. I am not saying he meant it like that, I feel it like that. You registered on 9/20 of this year and you might find it fun to get a hatman and TMZ clues, but a lot of us have been through that hundreds of times already. It does not give us any credibility or any evidence. We can't do anything with it. We already know he's alive and those who are still doubting will always doubt. I am very sure I am not the only one who rolled eyes because of the new clues and hatman but others are simply afraid to say it, because it's Michael Jackson and they don't want to hurt his feelings. That is not my intention either, I have a lot of respect for him and if he reads this forum, he knows that for a fact. And maybe some of us are simply wrong by thinking we can help him, maybe our role is just to avoid entrapment and we should be kept busy with clues until the end. But I have been holding on to this for so long because I want to help. I can take all the ridicule in the world as long as I have the impression that I can help him get his message out. But if that's not what he wants us to do, then I am not sure anymore why I am still doing this and I might consider using the knowledge I gained in the last couple of years in another way.
Souza I hope you are not thinking to close the forum :( .If I was wrong ,I apologise .
Souza I hope you are not thinking to close the forum :( .If I was wrong ,I apologise .
That depends. If our only purpose is to avoid entrapment, then our job is done. It would mean we could go on with our lives and having this forum online just as an archive would be enough. I am more than willing to give this another year of my life, or even 2 if necessary, but not just to be kept busy with disguises and clues.
That depends. If our only purpose is to avoid entrapment, then our job is done. It would mean we could go on with our lives and having this forum online just as an archive would be enough. I am more than willing to give this another year of my life, or even 2 if necessary, but not just to be kept busy with disguises and clues.
Finally: is this hoax a prank, or a Thriller II reality movie, or an ARG, or a sting operation, or a Vendetta, or an NWO/EOW warning, or a wake-up call to the gullible public (don't believe everything in the media), etc--which is it? And the answer is: all of the above! It is something that people have never seen before, at least not the combination of these things and on this scale.
I just want Michael to know that he should stop throwing bones at us and take us seriously and treat us as worthy after 2.5 years. I think we deserved that.
I can take all the ridicule in the world as long as I have the impression that I can help him get his message out. But if that's not what he wants us to do, then I am not sure anymore why I am still doing this and I might consider using the knowledge I gained in the last couple of years in another way.
Souza I hope you are not thinking to close the forum :( .If I was wrong ,I apologise .
That depends. If our only purpose is to avoid entrapment, then our job is done. It would mean we could go on with our lives and having this forum online just as an archive would be enough. I am more than willing to give this another year of my life, or even 2 if necessary, but not just to be kept busy with disguises and clues.
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The ‘System’ will be exposed and will find itself cornered. All of her ‘schemes and plans’ will be exposed. The ‘System’ will destroy itself.
This is all a part of the plan and the ‘deception’ plays a crucial role in making this happen.
We will know the truth but in due timing. But a lot of things have to fall into place first.
As for AEG being the bad guys: Like Souza, I do not reject this idea at all but I still believe its WAY more complicated than that.
I’m also very excited today so you guys are not alone. I’m just happy to be on this adventure with everyone! I love you all!! <3
And DON’T forget! We are all here for a reason. This did not affect us the way that it did for nothing. There are NO coincidences!
I believe that is why Michael has trimmed us down to a small size, like Gideon’s army of 300 against the Midianites, who in the Bible story turned on each other and destroyed each other in their panic. We are more important to TS than we realize, even as some of us feel TS is important to us staying here, reading and posting. He is reading what we say.
Applehead I've always loved the Coroner van video with the others jumping out.
Especially now with TMZ posting the pic about Abraham Lincoln alive--see him jump out. Next it will be Elvis, then Jesus--well... Wait--did ALL four hoax their deaths! ;)
" It's about 'THE SYSTEM' that hides behind the guise of RELIGION,a 'SYSTEM' that perverters the truth and conspires against the freedom and spiritual advancement of all humanity "WhiteNight
I sincerely apologise for my words. I was mad and furious with the whole situation. I chose wrong words. English is not my native language and I didn't realise these words were so powerful. Blame my head not my heart.
I apologise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUmKTesobJE&feature=share (Perhaps some kind person more technical than me would post this properly please! xx)
Front said something similar that justice has been served or something like that.
Something like killing 2 birds with one stone:Justice and Escape. Then he says "enjoy the bliss (of ignorance). The bliss of now knowing that TRUTH Jermaine is talking about?? Is that TRUTH so scary?
I lost faith in my reasoning but seems to me there's a connection between what Front said and this tweet:
“There is a due legal process we must honor. Justice first. And then it will be time for truth.”
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I don't understand why convicting Murray means Justice though, if he's innocent.
Truth and Justice imply one another. How can be Justice without Truth??
@Snoopy-great post buddy!
I hope this is on topic ... apology in advance if it is not.
I post below a link for a video of X Factor .. The Song I'll be There, quite apart for the link to MJ from the performer whos grandfather wrote Rockin Robin, and the fact this he has LOVE LIFE tattoo on his hands and BELIEVE tattoo on his arm, the most interesting part is the rap part of the lyrics so appropriate I think, and they are written up on the video which makes is very clear.
Just thought I would post the link in case you had not seen it.
bearhug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUmKTesobJE&feature=share (Perhaps some kind person more technical than me would post this properly please! xx)
...If the bad guys are here also it must really be dangerous for MJ and TS.
http://beholders.org/spirit/spirithumor/147-thirstyfish.html (http://beholders.org/spirit/spirithumor/147-thirstyfish.html)
Thirsty Fish
By Michael Jackson
One night a baby fish was sleeping under some coral when God appeared to him in a dream. "I want you to go forth with a message to all the fish in the sea," God said. "What should I tell them?" the little fish asked. "Just tell them you’re thirsty," God replied. "And see what they do." Then without another word, He disappeared. The next morning the little fish woke up and remembered his dream. "What a strange thing God wants me to do," he thought to himself. But as soon as he saw a large tuna swimming by, the little fish piped up, "Excuse me, but I’m thirsty." "Then you must be a fool," the tuna said. And with a disdainful flick of his tail, he swam away. The little fish did feel rather foolish, but he had his orders. The next fish he saw was a grinning shark. Keeping a safe distance, the little fish called out, "Excuse me, sir, but I’m thirsty." "Then you must be crazy," the shark replied. Noticing a rather hungry look in the shark’s eye, the little fish swam away quickly.
All day he met cod and mackerels and swordfish and groupers, but every time he made his short speech, they turned their backs and would have nothing to do with him.
Feeling hopelessly confused, the little fish sought out the wisest creature in the sea, who happened to be an old blue whale with three harpoon scars on his side. "Excuse me, but I’m thirsty!" the little fish shouted, wondering if the old whale could even see him, he was such a tiny speck. But the wise one stopped in his tracks. "You’ve seen God, haven’t you?" he said. "How did you know?" "Because I was thirsty once, too." The old whale laughed. The little fish looked very surprised. "Please tell me what this message from God means," he implored. "It means that we are looking for Him in the wrong places," the old whale explained. "We look high and low for God, but somehow He’s not there. So we blame Him and tell ourselves that He must have forgotten us. Or else we decide that He left a long time ago, if He was ever around." "How strange," the little fish said, "to miss what is everywhere." "Very strange," the old whale agreed. "Doesn’t it remind you of fish who say they’re thirsty?"
I hope this is on topic ... apology in advance if it is not.
I post below a link for a video of X Factor .. The Song I'll be There, quite apart for the link to MJ from the performer whos grandfather wrote Rockin Robin, and the fact this he has LOVE LIFE tattoo on his hands and BELIEVE tattoo on his arm, the most interesting part is the rap part of the lyrics so appropriate I think, and they are written up on the video which makes is very clear.
Just thought I would post the link in case you had not seen it.
bearhug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUmKTesobJE&feature=share (Perhaps some kind person more technical than me would post this properly please! xx)
The rap part is exactly what I needed to hear. bow/ bow/ bow/
Especially this: "for my kids I'll do anything/ I found a way to save my life/ and now everybodys listening"
Thank you so much for posting this. I can't watch that show here so thank you very much.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUmKTesobJE&feature=share[/youtube]
The rap part is exactly what I needed to hear. bow/ bow/ bow/
Especially this: "for my kids I'll do anything/ I found a way to save my life/ and now everybodys listening"
Thank you so much for posting this. I can't watch that show here so thank you very much.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUmKTesobJE&feature=share[/youtube]
Is it abandonment we are experiencing?
Being left alone?
Relying on a word that was broken?
Do we feel now what others felt before when they were left alone relying on a word that was broken?
Sometimes I think that every minute I spend here or elsewhere not being active for a better world is a minute lost for the world and a word broken for those relying on me doing something for the better.
This place is somewhat an ivory tower or a garden full of flowers under artificial fountains.
Outside we find the real challenge where rich fields are laying burned and the ashes of the planet dying under our hands while we are away (just like MJ dying under Murray's hands when he was away) are blown away with the wind.
I have heard the messages loud and clear a thousand times and I don't need any more support as to more clues or "he/she said". It is good by now. What else do I need? Honestly. Michael appears everywhere, he is closer than ever, he lets us participate, he makes us see and hear and watch the "making of" - what else do we need when watching the master at work? So many precious moments to cherish.
I am finding myself asking whether I can't finally go into the world and really do something about planting and sawing in the burned land to make it blossom. Is this debating about this and that clue or maybe koinkidance sufficient to go on forever or is this not finally the right time to launch some change?
"Yesterday I was clever. That is why I wanted to change the world.
Today I am wise. That is why I am changing myself".
I think I will try to distribute more love than ever.
I will engage in planting and sawing the thirst for good and love in the human beings around me.
I will surprise myself and the people around me with yet another good deed every day.
I will spend more time with those in need of and relying on me and I will try to listen more carefully to their questions and answers.
This is a quote that I dedicate to Michael and my family here:Quotehttp://beholders.org/spirit/spirithumor/147-thirstyfish.html (http://beholders.org/spirit/spirithumor/147-thirstyfish.html)
Thirsty Fish
By Michael Jackson
One night a baby fish was sleeping under some coral when God appeared to him in a dream. "I want you to go forth with a message to all the fish in the sea," God said. "What should I tell them?" the little fish asked. "Just tell them you’re thirsty," God replied. "And see what they do." Then without another word, He disappeared. The next morning the little fish woke up and remembered his dream. "What a strange thing God wants me to do," he thought to himself. But as soon as he saw a large tuna swimming by, the little fish piped up, "Excuse me, but I’m thirsty." "Then you must be a fool," the tuna said. And with a disdainful flick of his tail, he swam away. The little fish did feel rather foolish, but he had his orders. The next fish he saw was a grinning shark. Keeping a safe distance, the little fish called out, "Excuse me, sir, but I’m thirsty." "Then you must be crazy," the shark replied. Noticing a rather hungry look in the shark’s eye, the little fish swam away quickly.
All day he met cod and mackerels and swordfish and groupers, but every time he made his short speech, they turned their backs and would have nothing to do with him.
Feeling hopelessly confused, the little fish sought out the wisest creature in the sea, who happened to be an old blue whale with three harpoon scars on his side. "Excuse me, but I’m thirsty!" the little fish shouted, wondering if the old whale could even see him, he was such a tiny speck. But the wise one stopped in his tracks. "You’ve seen God, haven’t you?" he said. "How did you know?" "Because I was thirsty once, too." The old whale laughed. The little fish looked very surprised. "Please tell me what this message from God means," he implored. "It means that we are looking for Him in the wrong places," the old whale explained. "We look high and low for God, but somehow He’s not there. So we blame Him and tell ourselves that He must have forgotten us. Or else we decide that He left a long time ago, if He was ever around." "How strange," the little fish said, "to miss what is everywhere." "Very strange," the old whale agreed. "Doesn’t it remind you of fish who say they’re thirsty?"
bearhug
...If the bad guys are here also it must really be dangerous for MJ and TS.
That's where I'm at....worry. I initially went through all the feelings others have mentioned...confusion, disappointment, frustration, etc...but I went through them rather quickly and they didn't linger. What has lingered is feelings of worry....like I would worry for any friend that has gone M.I.A. when they said they would be around and never showed up.
I fully realize that there may be absolutely no reason to worry about TS...chances are he's warm and toasty somewhere....and has his reasons for not being around. But until he posts something, how do we know for sure? For me, it's not about needing help to solve anything (although that is much appreciated)...it's about needing to know that he's safe and all is well in his little corner of the world.
I'd take a 'poke' at this point.
With L.O.V.E. always.
@diggyon...you raise some good questions, some of which I'm sure many others have as well. I guess that's where 'faith' comes in. Faith that Mike knows what he's doing and is doing what needs to be done in order for all of this to be successful.
I was disappointed initially as well but I'm not anymore. I've trusted Mike to this point and I'm not about to second-guess or jump ship now. I'm sure there's plenty we don't know about that goes on behind the scenes...and if there is 'danger' of any kind...then I'd want Mike to do whatever he has to in order to remain safe. Because we don't know what that entails...we shouldn't 'pre-judge' TS or Mike or the family.
No matter the questions, no matter the frustrations...no one is forcing us to continue on this journey. We are all willing participants who are free to leave anytime we want to if we feel it's not bringing us anything positive. I'm sure that once the dust settles, though, and the disappointment/frustration subsides...the great feeling of knowing we are a part of this will return, stronger than ever. It has for me.
I trust that TS will return when he has something to say...until then, happy hoaxing.
There's no place else I'd rather be.
With L.O.V.E. always.
Your right Souza.Souza I hope you are not thinking to close the forum :( .If I was wrong ,I apologise .
That depends. If our only purpose is to avoid entrapment, then our job is done. It would mean we could go on with our lives and having this forum online just as an archive would be enough. I am more than willing to give this another year of my life, or even 2 if necessary, but not just to be kept busy with disguises and clues.
Maybe that explaining all the dangers is a danger in itself.
Maybe that explaining all the dangers is a danger in itself.
Sorry Sarahli but can you please explain more???
Is it abandonment we are experiencing?
Being left alone?
Relying on a word that was broken?
Do we feel now what others felt before when they were left alone relying on a word that was broken?
Sometimes I think that every minute I spend here or elsewhere not being active for a better world is a minute lost for the world and a word broken for those relying on me doing something for the better.
This place is somewhat an ivory tower or a garden full of flowers under artificial fountains.
Outside we find the real challenge where rich fields are laying burned and the ashes of the planet dying under our hands while we are away (just like MJ dying under Murray's hands when he was away) are blown away with the wind.
I have heard the messages loud and clear a thousand times and I don't need any more support as to more clues or "he/she said". It is good by now. What else do I need? Honestly. Michael appears everywhere, he is closer than ever, he lets us participate, he makes us see and hear and watch the "making of" - what else do we need when watching the master at work? So many precious moments to cherish.
I am finding myself asking whether I can't finally go into the world and really do something about planting and sawing in the burned land to make it blossom. Is this debating about this and that clue or maybe koinkidance sufficient to go on forever or is this not finally the right time to launch some change?
"Yesterday I was clever. That is why I wanted to change the world.
Today I am wise. That is why I am changing myself".
I think I will try to distribute more love than ever.
I will engage in planting and sawing the thirst for good and love in the human beings around me.
I will surprise myself and the people around me with yet another good deed every day.
I will spend more time with those in need of and relying on me and I will try to listen more carefully to their questions and answers.
This is a quote that I dedicate to Michael and my family here:Quotehttp://beholders.org/spirit/spirithumor/147-thirstyfish.html (http://beholders.org/spirit/spirithumor/147-thirstyfish.html)
Thirsty Fish
By Michael Jackson
One night a baby fish was sleeping under some coral when God appeared to him in a dream. "I want you to go forth with a message to all the fish in the sea," God said. "What should I tell them?" the little fish asked. "Just tell them you’re thirsty," God replied. "And see what they do." Then without another word, He disappeared. The next morning the little fish woke up and remembered his dream. "What a strange thing God wants me to do," he thought to himself. But as soon as he saw a large tuna swimming by, the little fish piped up, "Excuse me, but I’m thirsty." "Then you must be a fool," the tuna said. And with a disdainful flick of his tail, he swam away. The little fish did feel rather foolish, but he had his orders. The next fish he saw was a grinning shark. Keeping a safe distance, the little fish called out, "Excuse me, sir, but I’m thirsty." "Then you must be crazy," the shark replied. Noticing a rather hungry look in the shark’s eye, the little fish swam away quickly.
All day he met cod and mackerels and swordfish and groupers, but every time he made his short speech, they turned their backs and would have nothing to do with him.
Feeling hopelessly confused, the little fish sought out the wisest creature in the sea, who happened to be an old blue whale with three harpoon scars on his side. "Excuse me, but I’m thirsty!" the little fish shouted, wondering if the old whale could even see him, he was such a tiny speck. But the wise one stopped in his tracks. "You’ve seen God, haven’t you?" he said. "How did you know?" "Because I was thirsty once, too." The old whale laughed. The little fish looked very surprised. "Please tell me what this message from God means," he implored. "It means that we are looking for Him in the wrong places," the old whale explained. "We look high and low for God, but somehow He’s not there. So we blame Him and tell ourselves that He must have forgotten us. Or else we decide that He left a long time ago, if He was ever around." "How strange," the little fish said, "to miss what is everywhere." "Very strange," the old whale agreed. "Doesn’t it remind you of fish who say they’re thirsty?"
bearhug
I hope this is on topic ... apology in advance if it is not.
I post below a link for a video of X Factor .. The Song I'll be There, quite apart for the link to MJ from the performer whos grandfather wrote Rockin Robin, and the fact this he has LOVE LIFE tattoo on his hands and BELIEVE tattoo on his arm, the most interesting part is the rap part of the lyrics so appropriate I think, and they are written up on the video which makes is very clear.
Just thought I would post the link in case you had not seen it.
bearhug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUmKTesobJE&feature=share (Perhaps some kind person more technical than me would post this properly please! xx)
The rap part is exactly what I needed to hear. bow/ bow/ bow/
Especially this: "for my kids I'll do anything/ I found a way to save my life/ and now everybodys listening"
Thank you so much for posting this. I can't watch that show here so thank you very much.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUmKTesobJE&feature=share[/youtube]
Okay really guys. NONE of us can say "we've been looking like lunatics" because of Michael & his clues. So what if nonbelievers call us crazy. Michael was called crazy, freak, child molestor, all sorts of names in front of the whole world & he's still staying strong (at least I hope ♥) I think we can deal with the nonbelievers. On my youtube, nonbelievers have even told me to kill myself, im an idiot, i need to get a life, blah blah... none of that phases me. Who even says hatman was a clue? Just because he resembles hat man from the memorial? Who even says THAT guy was a clue? No one said we were being taken back to clues. You're ASSuming things. :?
Oh, and it's funny how suddenly everyone is jumping on the hate on TS bandwagon after bec said she was disappointed with him. By the way, I still think TS is an insider, the Jackson family pretty much confirmed it... go to bec's post "Strong Authenticity of TS". Just because he didn't stick to his word this time doesn't mean he's fake. How exactly is he fake because of this? He's done TIAI Redirections, TIAI Revealed, 6.5 update posts and 164 other comments full of information, most of which i highly doubt we would have figured out on our own, and he's fake because of this incident? -__- Actually, like someone on here mentioned, what if he did finish it? We don't know what TS has up his sleeve. argue/
And how do we know that the hat man is suppose to be a clue? Maybe that's just a man that went there to watch the event. And? You guys are losing your patience and started to whine like desperate housewives. That's what's going on. I'm pretty sure that TS is reading the forum but waiting for something to make his next post. Maybe the right time or something to happen. So, I think you guys need to take a deep breath before you jump to conclusions. TS wrote that this was going to end at the end of November but it didn't. Ohh what a big deal! Maybe there was a change in plans. Do we know what's going on behind the curtain?
The clues are coming still and what's wrong with that? Until MJ BAMs, do you not want to receive any more clues? I can not imagine us without getting any clues. Almost everyone would be losing their faith. There has to be clues, that's how we found out the hoax and stayed here for the last 2,5 years. It doesn't mean that we went back to the beginning, it means that we're continuing the journey. I know that we are all tired and started to lose our patience but remember what Michael asked from us. He said:
"Give me all your endurance, your patience, your understanding."
Is this ALL your love, support, endurance, understanding and patience for him? If it is so then leave him and the hoax behind. If it is not then stop whining. You are stronger than that.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcDmTPtjz34[/youtube]
I don't think you get me and I am FAR from being a desperate housewife. I find that remark pretty disrespectful PureLove. Also, managing this website has NOT been fun to me. It consumed all my free time and never brought me anything than shit in my face. I don't care, as long as I know I am doing this for a good cause. But if we are being played with again (and I am not talking about TS here, he knows that) then I think Michael just lost a supporter. I have a lot of patience, and I will do anything to help him, but I stopped running after carrots a while ago. If he wants us to support him, he shouldn't make this look like a game every single time. It makes me feel like I'm worth shit and that hoaxers are only fun to play with. It has nothing to do with not believing anymore, or losing patience. I have a lot of patience, but only if I feel he supports US too, that he appreciates what we do. It doesn't feel like that lately. And PureLove, I can leave the hoax if you want, but where would you go? If I leave, the forum leaves with me. I never whined in 2.5 years, and I am still not whining. I just want Michael to know that he should stop throwing bones at us and take us seriously and treat us as worthy after 2.5 years. I think we deserved that.
Okay really guys. NONE of us can say "we've been looking like lunatics" because of Michael & his clues. So what if nonbelievers call us crazy. Michael was called crazy, freak, child molestor, all sorts of names in front of the whole world & he's still staying strong (at least I hope ♥) I think we can deal with the nonbelievers. On my youtube, nonbelievers have even told me to kill myself, im an idiot, i need to get a life, blah blah... none of that phases me. Who even says hatman was a clue? Just because he resembles hat man from the memorial? Who even says THAT guy was a clue? No one said we were being taken back to clues. You're ASSuming things. :?
Oh, and it's funny how suddenly everyone is jumping on the hate on TS bandwagon after bec said she was disappointed with him. By the way, I still think TS is an insider, the Jackson family pretty much confirmed it... go to bec's post "Strong Authenticity of TS". Just because he didn't stick to his word this time doesn't mean he's fake. How exactly is he fake because of this? He's done TIAI Redirections, TIAI Revealed, 6.5 update posts and 164 other comments full of information, most of which i highly doubt we would have figured out on our own, and he's fake because of this incident? -__- Actually, like someone on here mentioned, what if he did finish it? We don't know what TS has up his sleeve. argue/
MJFAN7 please stay strong and don't be upset with the people who called you names,you KNOW WHO YOU REALLY ARE,and you are a very beautiful human being inside and outside. :).Remember 'THEY' don't KNOW,and their minds are cloudy,that's the reason they act like that.Michael knows how it is to be bulied,you said it yourself,but instead he remained FAITHFULL and STRONG.The Believers against Non Believers,or inverted is a Illusion,a form to DIVIDE argue/ ,us and the rest of the people,and now I realised it.It should never been existed in the first place,lol, lolol/ !!! From now on I'm not a BELIEVER anymore,I'm a HUMAN BEING,period.LOVE
I think I am highly misunderstood here by some...
I do NOT think it's all about ME as someone insinuated. If I would have thought that, I would have quit 2 years ago after the first few bashings and would have saved myself an aweful lot of headaches.
I am NOT disappointed in TS, or that level 7 is not solved yet. As I said, I think TS has his reasons and I know for a fact that he has the patience of an angel. If I have to name one person on here that I trust on his word (well most of the time, lol), it's TS. So whatever problems someone else has with TS, they are not mine.
I am NOT starting to doubt the hoax or the reasons behind it, nor do I think that the hoax is merely a prank or a game.
I do NOT care if people call me a lunatic, I am used to that by now.
That said, this is what DOES bother me:
We have come a long way, we have been through various stages. We have been discussing clues, photoshopping hatman and Dave Dave pictures, rewatching videos a thousand times and most of us came to the conclusion in 2009 that Michael is not dead.
We have been listening to his lyrics, watching his speeches, interviews, short films. We have been reading books, investigating prior events and most of us understand his reasons since 2010.
We have been discussing his reasons and we have been going through the court case in 2011. We have been bashed and ridiculed by others for our beliefs, and even threatened because of our investigations. I can only speak for myself, but I know for a fact that I am not alone when I say that some of us are here BECAUSE of his reasons, because we know how important this is, and how big. I am not here to keep the faith, because my faith is solid as a rock. I am here because I think that we, as a community who doesn't judge him for hoaxing his death, can help and support him in whatever he is planning to do, whatever it takes, because we realize the importancy.
Now we are less than a month away from 2012, and what do we get? A hatman and an 'He's alive!!!' article on TMZ. Of course they were clues. No one sits in a studio with sunglasses on. He is sitting next to Branca. Whether it's Michael himself or not is not important, that guy was there on purpose. The TMZ article was way too random and definitely a clue too. Very nice....in 2009! If that is a sneak preview of how we will be kept busy in 2012, then I can't help but think that we are here just to avoid entrapment. That we need to be kept busy to keep the 'archive' alive. I can keep the archive online as long as he wants, but if that's it's only purpose, it can be locked and hosted on a cheap server. Maintaining this site costs me my free time, and Badkolo a lot of $$$.
I am not saying my feeling is right, but it's my feeling and I think I have the right to say how I feel after 2.5 years. I see people complaining about my 'rant' in here that waste 50% of their posts in the Whine & Cry thread. Seriously? Grant me just this one rant please.
Why are we on eachother's throat? Is this what Michael wants us to do? what happened to peace and love,and accepting eachother? We are full of hatred..I understand that we have been investigating for 2 and half yrs, we are tired, and fed up, we want the answer of this hoax yesterday. Come one guys, just give TS a chance.. I told you, you might never know what has happened to him.. He is human like all of us. Instead of ranting and complaining that TS did not keep his promise, why don't we start the 7b? How about if TS is testing us? Maybe he thinks that we need him to hold our hands to find more clues. Let's show him that we are capable enough and appreciate him in teaching us. Please let's stop beckering, for Michael sake let's be a family and show him that we have learned what he is trying to preach us. IT IS ALL FOR L.O.V.E. BLESSINGS MY HOAXIE FAMILY..
I think I am highly misunderstood here by some...
Now we are less than a month away from 2012, and what do we get? A hatman and an 'He's alive!!!' article on TMZ. Of course they were clues. No one sits in a studio with sunglasses on. He is sitting next to Branca. Whether it's Michael himself or not is not important, that guy was there on purpose. The TMZ article was way too random and definitely a clue too. Very nice....in 2009! If that is a sneak preview of how we will be kept busy in 2012, then I can't help but think that we are here just to avoid entrapment. That we need to be kept busy to keep the 'archive' alive. I can keep the archive online as long as he wants, but if that's it's only purpose, it can be locked and hosted on a cheap server. Maintaining this site costs me my free time, and Badkolo a lot of $$$.
this is a request to mods....
i'd really like someone to provide some direction to forum members on this thread.
my recommendations are : a new thread for those who want to discuss 'TS authenticity' and a directive for those loosing faith in the hole thing to do to the "having a bad day'
i dont mean to appear rude by suggesting this. i just think that TS may return and if so we should keep the thread for its original purpose, TIAI. at the moment its becoming an emotional conglomerate of doubts, attacks, apologies, etc. etc.
I implore you to find the strength to carry on....I've done some window shopping (lol) and this site is, by FAR, the best there is.
Thank you for making this house a home.
Souza I think you have no idea how helpful and necessary your handling and keeping this forum alive is, this is how I feel. I am sure that Michael will reward you for that.
I understand. It is true we could be making a greater impact where we live and have more time to devote to causes we are passionate about. But we'd be a mere a speck in the ocean compared to what we have envisioned with Michael as the general marshalling his troops. a question. What will it take to convince you 100% that we have indeed misinterpreted the hoax reasons and our purpose in it?
This is a special time, that may never be repeated. I don't even think many even here realize what an honor it is to have what we have. We have this time to enjoy being with "MJ" or MJ, looking into his heart and mind. We should not take it for granted just because some might think we're deluded, or take it too lightly just because it appears that MJ is putting some fun/silly stuff in it for us. Again, this is HISstory in the making!
Luke 10:38-42New International Version (NIV)38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. 40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!” 41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one.[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A38-42&version=NIV#fen-NIV-25406a)] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”
The Solution is inside us,period.
[...]@BeTheChange: Damn! I don't really know who you are, nor if you are a girl or a boy. I don't know your age, I don't know anything about you except the fact that you are among the very few users from this forum [I can count them on the fingers of one hand] , whose messages have always touched me like nothing else! I only know that your messages are always a pleasure to read and from your written lines, I can feel a very gentle, big heart person who, for I don't know what reason, supported me and encouraged me when I most needed it.
It's funny...I was thinking earlier that a lot of what we've been 'complaining' about (myself included) could be compared to being invited to the most lavish and exquisite party of our lives...and then complaining about the cutlery...or the table cloths...or the toilet paper. Sure, not everything may live up to our own personal expectations or 'wants'...but when all is said and done, IF those minor things are enough for you to forego the party's 'main attraction', then you are free to leave the party. There's no bars on these doors. AND the best is...the alternative is to go back into the cell you were living in before you were handed the invitation.
Wouldn't you be left wanting to know how the 'main attraction' went? Upon hearing that it was the absolute best possible ending to the 'show'...wouldn't you regret having left because you didn't like the decor? I know I'd be kicking myself and offering others free kicks on me....because I allowed something so minor to get in the way of the 'bigger picture'. A 'bigger picture' that I missed out on...in whole or in part...because I was too focused on the minor details.
[...]
I think as long as this continues here TS won't bother posting. If I were him/her - I would pack and leave. Hopefully he/she is much better of a person than me penguin/.
I have to say this. There are people, like our MJ, who are waaaaaay different from all we generally accept. They do things we don't even imagine. I know because I've met such a person in real life. They have an infinite patience and they keep testing people ...if this is close to manipulation, I can accept it if it comes from Michael, with a smile on my face.
But God forbid to have to face their anger.
Ps. I don't see "attacks" here, though @Purelove you really need to lay off Souza because I can safely say you don't speak for many of us in your sentiment :evil:
TS and Michael are Christmas shopping. :D The way i see it we are on the upward climb on a log flume ride. Some are afraid of the drop ahead and some are excited. Either way, when you reach the top and the DROP and SPLASH comes you realize that the long climb was worth everything you felt on the way up. Love you all.
toot
I just came across this on twitter Paris had apparently changed her background on twitter for a day (and I missed it!) but have posted this video to show what it was, its very interesting, a NWO warning afraid/ afraid/
But then again this is what I have always believed it was all for. :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iO8rzCjsc&feature=share
@SimPatty...I'm SO happy to see you back! I'm glad that you appreciate my words...both on and off the forum. And if you've taken my messages to heart, then you must know that I truly appreciate you being here. [...]awww yes! I really felt that! and it's reciprocal, but I'm sure you know it already!
[....] I hope your stay will be less 'rocky' this time around...but I'll be here if you ever need a friend or simply to vent...God knows we all need both from time to time :lol: bearhugWell this time around I am here to stay, and for good! or until this is over... And I must thank you once again, because it was your message on the previous page that really made me understand something from other perspectives too! To cut it short and use some of your metaphors: I still don't like some pieces of the furniture in the decor, but this time, I'll look the other way and I'll enjoy the party! and it sure is the best ever! bounce/ michael-jackson/
It is interesting to me that the phrase “this is an experiment” is in TS’ posting. It reminds me of what Judge Pastor said to Murray during the sentencing phase calling his care of his patient “an experiment”. Maybe we are all in a petri dish being examined and manipulated to see just how long and how far we are willing to go with this hoax. To see how loyal and how true we are to our own beliefs, and to see what it will take to change our conscious thinking; re-program us, de-sensitize take us away from our mission.
IF a 'safety net' for entrapment was the sole purpose of this site and of US...then the pupose would've been fulfilled in 2009. There was enough clues...some pretty blatant...that Mike was alive even way back then. At the least...for anyone who stopped long enough for a second glance, there was enough there to at least question the 'official' story. Yet the clues kept coming...into 2010, into 2011...and still there are paths (clues) springing up even now that one can choose to follow if he/she so desires. The purpose of the site...if it was solely for risk of entrapment...was fulfilled long ago. There's got to be more to it than that or the 'dialogue' would've stopped long ago. How much more we 'expect' from it may be a deciding factor in whether or not we stick around.
I've actually been reflecting on this very point lately...as it seemed we went from full engagement in theory mode to...nothing. And I can't wrap my head around what happened or what may have changed on Mike's part, if anything. And momentarily...the 'silence' did stop me in my tracks...but that's not always a bad thing. Silence often causes introspection/reflection. From the start...I have seen this whole thing as an invitation from Mike....allowing us a glimpse into his mind. We have marvelled at his genius over the years...some of us our whole lives...at the sheer brilliance of the man. But we were only ever offered an 'outside' glance...we only ever got to see the finished product. And it was great. Everything we ever got to see was perfection, as per Mike's standards...and those who didn't notice it before June 25th, were able to go back and SEE it through 'new' eyes.
IMO...THIS aspect of the hoax...our involvement, whatever you want to call it...an ARG, an adventure, a journey, etc...has, all along, been Mike letting us in to his mind...it's been him giving us 'glimpses and flashes' of the product in the making....of perfection in the making. But we must remember that there are many pitfalls, changes, adjustments, and/or complete turn-arounds while in the process of achieving the end goal...which, to Mike, has always been success...which, to him, has always meant nothing less than perfection. The final product (of anything) is almost always what is considered 'special'...but that's because we rarely get to SEE what went into the making of it....yet it is the VERY making of 'it' that makes it so special. We have lost sight of that whether we're talking the greatest production in history or the labor that went into making the table we share with our families. Our involvement, from the beginning, has been an invitation ("for the fans") into the making of the greatest production in HIStory. Each one of us has to determine whether or not we are strong enough, patient enough, or care enough, to withstand the temporary 'imperfections' (and guaranteed, there will be some along the way)...in order to fully understand, and appreciate, the perfection of it when it is done.
It's funny...I was thinking earlier that a lot of what we've been 'complaining' about (myself included) could be compared to being invited to the most lavish and exquisite party of our lives...and then complaining about the cutlery...or the table cloths...or the toilet paper. Sure, not everything may live up to our own personal expectations or 'wants'...but when all is said and done, IF those minor things are enough for you to forego the party's 'main attraction', then you are free to leave the party. There's no bars on these doors. AND the best is...the alternative is to go back into the cell you were living in before you were handed the invitation.
Wouldn't you be left wanting to know how the 'main attraction' went? Upon hearing that it was the absolute best possible ending to the 'show'...wouldn't you regret having left because you didn't like the decor? I know I'd be kicking myself and offering others free kicks on me....because I allowed something so minor to get in the way of the 'bigger picture'. A 'bigger picture' that I missed out on...in whole or in part...because I was too focused on the minor details.
I'm not going anywhere because I don't want to miss a thing. I may sidestep some of the details...I may find some tedious and repetitive...I may even become frustrated and/or bored at times with the 'theme'....but I'm firmly planted.
@Souza...please take some time and reflect on everything you've been through over the past 2.5 years...forget about 'us', forget about the site...focus only on what got you here and what has kept you here (putting up with everyone's shit, pouring your life's blood into this site)...focus on that, on the 'bigger picture'. I trust that before long you'll come to see that this 'hoax' is not any different than life itself....full of frustrations/disappointments/aggravations...but also progess/accomplishments/joys/love...and you'll SEE that your purpose here has not gone unappreciated and it does serve the 'bigger picture'. More importantly (and I'm hoping), you'll see that much like 'life'...with all it's good and bad...this 'hoax' is also worth living.
I implore you to find the strength to carry on....I've done some window shopping (lol) and this site is, by FAR, the best there is.
Thank you for making this house a home.
With L.O.V.E. always.
I just came across this on twitter Paris had apparently changed her background on twitter for a day (and I missed it!) but have posted this video to show what it was, its very interesting, a NWO warning afraid/ afraid/
But then again this is what I have always believed it was all for. :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iO8rzCjsc&feature=share
I hope you don't mind me adding the video. This is amazing and I'm so proud of Paris and how brave and smart she is.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iO8rzCjsc&feature=share[/youtube]
I just came across this on twitter Paris had apparently changed her background on twitter for a day (and I missed it!) but have posted this video to show what it was, its very interesting, a NWO warning afraid/ afraid/
But then again this is what I have always believed it was all for. :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iO8rzCjsc&feature=share
I hope you don't mind me adding the video. This is amazing and I'm so proud of Paris and how brave and smart she is.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iO8rzCjsc&feature=share[/youtube]
Interesting isnt it, hope she hasnt been hacked though?
Thank you for adding the video Purelove, I never have got the hang of it try as I might :oops:
bearhug
Based on the observations made, as a whole, I think it's safe to say that Front wouldn't mind walking a dark path with you…..for subtle light in times of darkness has been found, observed, realized AND utilized to get from A to----> B to---> C…..and "whispers" have not fallen on deaf ears.
@hesooutamylife
La Toyas book
As far as LaToya and her revelations about her horriffic abuse during her marriage, I felt at the conclusion of reading that book that LaToya will do or say anything to give herself notoriety. Sorry if this offends, but I do. Surely she suffered abuse at the hands of her ex, but some of the stuff she alleges she did because “he made her” I straight up can’t buy it. She exaggerates and dramatizes to the extreme. However, it made for an interesting read. I give her book 2 thumbs up for just that.
I read La Toyas book,
all I can say is for you to truly understand where she was coming from in this book, you have had to "live though a similar experience" to be able to believe it truly, I say that from a personal experience, I have lived in a very controlling. vilolent and dangerous relaitonship myself, and believe me it gave me chills her discription right down the the escape, Im sure its true and not just for notierity, I had similar experince over 20 years ago now, you do what you are told it is too painful (physically) not to, and when the final escape was made for her and for me, it never totally goes away, you always looking over your shoulder. Its difficult to understand if you havent been there. I totally believe how difficult it is to appreciate how it can be, I never mention it no one every believes me, but I am just happy I got lucky and am still here to enjoy my life, it took me 7 years to make my escape and 6 months of planning, but I was lucky, many dont live to tell the tale.
Im not being critical, its just no one believes the victims of domestic violence, and La Toyas book took me right back there, her description was right on the button you carnt make that up.
Love to you Hesooutamylife, just another perspective. respect/ /white flag/
bearhug
Its her Re: TIAI NOVEMBER 30
« Reply #270 on: December 03, 2011, 06:10:00 PM »
Quote from: applehead250609 on December 03, 2011, 06:43:31 AM
The Solution is inside us,period.
Thank you so much Applehead!
What a gift, to just see it in print!! bounce/ :cry: :mrgreen:
This is EXACTLY WHY MJ has spent patiently SOOOOOO much time getting us to internalize EVERYthing, and MAKE certain (ourselves!!) that we are THINKING for ourselvesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. bounce/
It's because this is the be all and end all of the mighty power for change, which MJ developed in himself, and, with dismay, found that others are always seeking elsewhere, and struggling because of it.
Like the song says, ♫ "DOES it get inside?" (to the heart of your surrender, through your excuses??????) OmiGOSH!!!
Please, push past feeling hurt or used or abandoned or played!!! Please don't let that (fear of abuse) stuff ROB you of this wonderful Truth. Michael said it was all for Love. Love/God...SAME exact being. 8-) bounce/ NOTHING HE said has changed. Not one thing!!!! bounce/
It is when we fully realize how powerful we are as individuals, that we will realize our potential as a planet, with every link a strong, free, Thinker and Lover.
If nothing else, we have a perfect example of what just ONE individual with a SET, disciplined mind, with nothing but pure love in his heart, can do ALL BY HIMSELF. And, guess what? This AMAZING creature has been trying to crack all of our hard shells of "preconditioning in error", these last two years to MAKE US SEE :!:
Paris retweeted this from a parody Paris account.
How should we take this now?
ParisJacksson Paris Jackson
#TwoThingsThatNeverMix -TMZ and my dad.
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How should we take this now?
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Interesting tweet. I think we should ask her what does she mean by that.
February 2010: “[Jermaine] He was very, very healthy but Michael was not with us, way before he arrived to the airport. ... But it’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold. [Interviewer] Do you know what it is, and you’re waiting for it to come out? [Jermaine] Yes, yes, I do. ... I know ...” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q)}.
June 2010: “[Larry] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. We love you, we miss him; the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.” {1:32, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg)}.
February 20, 2011: “There is a due legal process we must honor. Justice first. And then it will be time for truth.” {http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368 (http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368)}.
November 16, 2011: “@latoyajackson why don’t you talk more about the real MJ’s killer..?”
{http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929 (http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929)}.
November 16, 2011: “@_MariamFenty you will DEFINITELY hear more in the near future!!!”
{http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960)}.
November 21, 2011: “Thanking all the FANS for their support last night! Thank you so very much!!! Keep the faith!!!” {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336)}.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Guys doesnt anyone else see this post by ts as a teaser the the truth is coming out soon..hopefully January 7th ....Itll be my 18th birthday
June 2010: “[Larry] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. We love you, we miss him; the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.” {1:32, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg)}.
February 20, 2011: “There is a due legal process we must honor. Justice first. And then it will be time for truth.” {http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368 (http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368)}.
January the 7th sounds good, but January the 8th 2012 is even better, it's Elvis' 77th Birthday Anniversary!
Guys doesnt anyone else see this post by ts as a teaser the the truth is coming out soon..hopefully January 7th ....Itll be my 18th birthday
[. . . .]
Nevertheless, those who have built their faith on solid theories (such as the numerology, with a $999 reward that nobody has even attempted to collect after more than a year) will not be troubled over the collapse of the long-cherished but faulty hoax theories. Quite the contrary, the true how’s of the hoax will become quite clear; and then it will be even more obvious that it’s a hoax (not murder, or accidental manslaughter, etc).
[. . . . ]
June 2010: “[Larry] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. We love you, we miss him; the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.” {1:32, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg)}.
February 20, 2011: “There is a due legal process we must honor. Justice first. And then it will be time for truth.” {http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368 (http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368)}.
quote author=TS_comments
« on: November 28, 2011, 12:27:27 AM »
So if the word “airport” from Jermaine was not a random mistake: it was either an accidental slip-up, or an intentional clue. Either way, it would be the truth. You don’t accidentally let a lie slip out, no, when you accidentally spill the beans—it is the truth. And if it was an intentional clue, then I think we should also accept it as truth (unless we have two or three very strong reasons which show that it is not the truth). If Jermaine was merely trying to indicate the hoax, but not trying to indicate that MJ went to the airport: then he could’ve easily said many other things, such as: “… way before he got out of the van, I mean way before he was taken out of the ambulance.”
If we can’t trust the hoax clues from the family, then we really don’t have much left. Yes, we would still have plenty of evidence that MJ himself planned and knew the exact day in advance; but the most reliable source of evidence that he succeeded in his plan, is the family. And if we can’t trust the “airport” clue from Jermaine, then how can we trust the “Illusionist” clue from La Toya—or any other hoax clues from the family? We should either join the non-believers (and dismiss the hoax clues from the family, they are ALL merely coincidence, etc), or else we should accept that the family is leading us to the truth.
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February 2010: “[Jermaine] He was very, very healthy but Michael was not with us, way before he arrived to the airport. ... But it’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold. [Interviewer] Do you know what it is, and you’re waiting for it to come out? [Jermaine] Yes, yes, I do. ... I know ...” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q)}.
June 2010: “[Larry] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. We love you, we miss him; the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.” {1:32, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg)}.
February 20, 2011: “There is a due legal process we must honor. Justice first. And then it will be time for truth.” {http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368 (http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368)}.
November 16, 2011: “@latoyajackson why don’t you talk more about the real MJ’s killer..?”
{http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929 (http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929)}.
November 16, 2011: “@_MariamFenty you will DEFINITELY hear more in the near future!!!”
{http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960)}.
November 21, 2011: “Thanking all the FANS for their support last night! Thank you so very much!!! Keep the faith!!!” {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336)}.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Ever feel like a little kid asking your mum 'when?' and she'd say 'soon', 'in a little while', 'wait and see', 'be patient' - and it'd go on and on and on and on .................... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't mean to sound impatient because I'm not (very much!) - I recognise that this will take as long as it needs to, and I'm ok with just watching and waiting, but I feel I have nothing constructive to say to further our investigations because I honestly don't think we can take them any further than we have already. Even if we hit exactly on the 'hows', we wouldn't know if we were right. Even if everything fitted perfectly, someone could (and probably would) still come along and claim 'illusion'!
I re-read TS's original post and wondered if these underlined bits: "the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED." were an indication of what WE should be doing. Then I remembered we don't know what really happened, everyone thinks we're mad and won't take anything we say seriously anyway, so I've come to the conclusion that this 30/11 post is just a reminder that 'it'll all come out' - eventually!
Speaking of Jermaine and his clues, I loved while reading his book he says”…I always had my eye out for Michael, half expecting him to come walking around the corner or tap me on the shoulder. In fact, I still do.” respect/ Me too Jermaine. Me too.Dave Dave said, "And I felt a little tap on my shoulder!" ;)
Sim your numbers all fit.Yep, me too...
I'm still waiting for the right context.
And I miss TS :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpgM9XWS-90 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpgM9XWS-90)
pop! :lol:
Ever feel like a little kid asking your mum 'when?' and she'd say 'soon', 'in a little while', 'wait and see', 'be patient' - and it'd go on and on and on and on .................... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't mean to sound impatient because I'm not (very much!) - I recognise that this will take as long as it needs to, and I'm ok with just watching and waiting, but I feel I have nothing constructive to say to further our investigations because I honestly don't think we can take them any further than we have already. Even if we hit exactly on the 'hows', we wouldn't know if we were right. Even if everything fitted perfectly, someone could (and probably would) still come along and claim 'illusion'!
I re-read TS's original post and wondered if these underlined bits: "the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED." were an indication of what WE should be doing. Then I remembered we don't know what really happened, everyone thinks we're mad and won't take anything we say seriously anyway, so I've come to the conclusion that this 30/11 post is just a reminder that 'it'll all come out' - eventually!
i have the same thought .... maybe a lot of us feel the same.
Thank you Curls
February 2010: “[Jermaine] He was very, very healthy but Michael was not with us, way before he arrived to the airport. ... But it’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold. [Interviewer] Do you know what it is, and you’re waiting for it to come out? [Jermaine] Yes, yes, I do. ... I know ...” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q)}.
June 2010: “[Larry] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. We love you, we miss him; the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.” {1:32, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg)}.
February 20, 2011: “There is a due legal process we must honor. Justice first. And then it will be time for truth.” {http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368 (http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368)}.
November 16, 2011: “@latoyajackson why don’t you talk more about the real MJ’s killer..?”
{http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929 (http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929)}.
November 16, 2011: “@_MariamFenty you will DEFINITELY hear more in the near future!!!”
{http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960)}.
November 21, 2011: “Thanking all the FANS for their support last night! Thank you so very much!!! Keep the faith!!!” {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336)}.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
If I look back at this post I would say TS is trying to encourage us that the TRUTH will come out eventually, rather sooner than later.
There are moments when I trust TS so much, like he's Michael himself.
There are moments when I think it is too good to be true, it's just not possible :-\.
Don't dare to dream the man would care for us :-\.
Ever feel like a little kid asking your mum 'when?' and she'd say 'soon', 'in a little while', 'wait and see', 'be patient' - and it'd go on and on and on and on .................... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't mean to sound impatient because I'm not (very much!) - I recognise that this will take as long as it needs to, and I'm ok with just watching and waiting, but I feel I have nothing constructive to say to further our investigations because I honestly don't think we can take them any further than we have already. Even if we hit exactly on the 'hows', we wouldn't know if we were right. Even if everything fitted perfectly, someone could (and probably would) still come along and claim 'illusion'!
I re-read TS's original post and wondered if these underlined bits: "the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED." were an indication of what WE should be doing. Then I remembered we don't know what really happened, everyone thinks we're mad and won't take anything we say seriously anyway, so I've come to the conclusion that this 30/11 post is just a reminder that 'it'll all come out' - eventually!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpgM9XWS-90 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpgM9XWS-90)
pop! :lol:
Please someone can explain what is wrong with his legs :-\?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=06yqkYBV9EI[/youtube]
So that was the famous spider bite suspicious//.
Ok, if he says so ..but I think that spider was a huge one. Maybe that spider even has a name.
So that was the famous spider bite suspicious//.
Ok, if he says so ..but I think that spider was a huge one. Maybe that spider even has a name.
some spider bites start our small and then spread. in australia we have white tails. once bitten the skin gets a reaction, the reactions spreads and grows due to the poison... the spider story is completely plausible.
So that was the famous spider bite suspicious//.
Ok, if he says so ..but I think that spider was a huge one. Maybe that spider even has a name.
some spider bites start our small and then spread. in australia we have white tails. once bitten the skin gets a reaction, the reactions spreads and grows due to the poison... the spider story is completely plausible.
I said that maybe that spider has a name because maybe it was one of MJ's pets. You know it fits between elephants, giraffes, lamas and snakes.
Guys, I have not been on this forum for awhile. I have been reading the threads and they are very interesting. Do you guys remember TS talking about the court system. The whole trial with Conrad Murray is just the tip of the iceberg. IMHO I do think that we should take a step back look at the entirel Calfornia Judicial system. Really start with Mr. Thomas Sneddon. I feel that there is something going on with him and other high officials in the state of California. I seriously think that they were indeed after Michael. We need to dig a little deeper. The question that we all should be asking ourselves is this: Why is the 2005 Trial being brought into play with this trial?
S29 - so Jermaine keeps repeating Murray did not act alone.
Jackson physician resumes practice
MICHAEL JACKSON (http://articles.cnn.com/keyword/michael-jackson) (http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/3.0/1px.gif) (http://cnntweet.appspot.com/articles/http%3A%2F%2Fcnn.com%2F2009%2FSHOWBIZ%2F11%2F23%2Fjackson.doctor%2Findex.html%3Fhpt%3DT2/Jackson%20physician%20resumes%20practice/tweet/) (http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/3.0/1px.gif) (http://articles.cnn.com/2009-11-23/entertainment/jackson.doctor_1_ed-chernoff-dr-conrad-murray-propofol-and-lorazepam?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ#) November 23, 2009(http://articles.cnn.com/images/pixel.gif)Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician at the center of singer Michael Jackson's death inquiry, is back to work in Texas.Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician at the center of the homicide investigation into singer Michael Jackson's death, has resumed his practice.
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Murray returned home to Houston, Texas, and was treating patients at the Armstrong Clinic where he practiced medicine before leaving to become Jackson's personal physician in April.
"I'm taking my life back step by step, and I wanted to come home and this is my home," he told congregants Sunday at the Galilee Missionary Baptist Church in northwest Houston.(http://articles.cnn.com/images/pixel.gif) (http://articles.cnn.com/images/pixel.gif)"And therefore, I am back to serve," he said, his eyes hidden behind a pair of sunglasses and his voice quivering. "This isn't easy for me. Mentally it's tough."
In a letter to CNN affiliate KPRC in Houston, Murray's lawyer said the physician returned to work out of a financial necessity.
"Because of a deteriorating financial condition and prompting by many of his beloved patients, on Nov. 20, 2009, Dr. Conrad Murray resumed his cardiology practice in Houston, Texas," said lawyer Ed Chernoff.
Chernoff added that Murray planned to attend to patients in Las Vegas as well, but the cost of reopening his clinic there was "prohibitive."
Murray told church members he saw 16 patients Friday, and each encounter was twice as long as a regular appointment because patients wanted to know how he was doing.
As he spoke, the church attendees stood and cheered. Later, they posed with him for photographs.
Murray did not specifically refer to Jackson. But he indirectly alluded to his troubles several times.
"All of the members of Galilee, all of my friends, I know what trouble is," he said at one point.
At another, Murray said: "I, with my companion, was only trying to help my fellow man, but it appears I was at the wrong place at the wrong time."
"I, with my compassion, was only trying to help my fellow man."
Did you notice that ONLY CNN has the typo ofhttp://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=12.msg786#msg786 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=12.msg786#msg786)
"I, with my companion,was only trying to help my fellow man"
and all other media are going with
"I, with my compassion, was only trying to help my fellow man."
CNN claim to be author of the content and it even was corrected once today:
By CNN
Story Published: Nov 23, 2009 at 4:06 AM PST
Story Updated: Nov 23, 2009 at 5:39 AM PST
http://www.laindependent.com/entertainm ... 67352.html (http://www.laindependent.com/entertainment/music/71467352.html)
Would you consider that on an English keyboard you could accidently mix up a double "ss" and an "n" while retyping an article? I wouldn't. Hmm.
Accidently just a typo? There are staff being employed to do nothing but correct misspelling and typos and control by 4 eyes survey that articles are being distributed in the intended version. (Remember political correctness and other aspects.)
So let's consider the typo has passed all exams and the update and is still there - well then it's not a typo, is it? And then there may be more hidden than just news on doc Murray.
Btw, also LKL did chose this topic for their blog, not Michael's AMA success. Why?
Following the text, Murray with a companion was only trying to help his fellow man.
They were 2 and they were helping a friend.
And in addition Murray spoke to the members of Galilee - is he a member of one of the Houston Galilee Baptist Churches or is he referring to the country of Galilee which is extending to the river Jordan which is a symbol of death?
Anybody here knowing more about the Baptist Church in Houston?
Hello everyone!
Sorry for my broken English.
I follow you and I just loved it.
I love Michael, but I don't like the "circus".
In Italy there is little talk of MJ and when it happens is like "manna from heaven" ...
I do not want to be intrusive or off-topic, but I do not know if you've already talked about this shocking interview with Jermaine: "Murray is guilty but did not kill yourself" ... "I say that Dr. Murray is only the finger of a hand that goes unpunished. There are other people involved in this murder. We will produce the evidence and there will be another trial in September"
Murray is a criminal or professional negligence?
"Both, I repeat, did not act alone".
"There are questions that remain unanswered:
Because they have erased all the tapes of the surveillance cameras?
Because he has recorded the voice of my brother?" (I do these questions for a long time)
More ...
http://www.repubblica.it/spettacoli-e-cultura/2011/12/01/news/fratello_jackson-25879107/
What do you think?
And more ...
Murray has signed the notice of appeal to prison and said he intends to defend itself, because of its difficult financial situation ... The Court of Appeal shall appoint a public defender. The family of the King of Pop asked the doctor for a compensation of 100 million dollars.
http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/News/Spettacolo/Il-medico-di-Jackson-ricorre-in-appello-contro-la-sua-condanna-a-quattro-anni_312710496809.html
It seems that Michael's family and the media have the same purpose: to tell a never ending story ... why?
mjonmind:
I believe that is why Michael has trimmed us down to a small size, like Gideon’s army of 300 against the Midianites, who in the Bible story turned on each other and destroyed each other in their panic. We are more important to TS than we realize, even as some of us feel TS is important to us staying here, reading and posting. He is reading what we say.
Australian MJ BeLIEver:
“in addition to that, we dont need this place to be free and know truth.... if you are 'thinking for yourself' 'questioning everything' and 'not accepting and gobbling up everything that we are force fed by religion, government, corporation and media, then the job is done (with or without this place) and you are on your way to freedom...”
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The ‘System’ will be exposed and will find itself cornered. All of her ‘schemes and plans’ will be exposed. The ‘System’ will destroy itself.
This is all a part of the plan and the ‘deception’ plays a crucial role in making this happen.
We will know the truth but in due timing. But a lot of things have to fall into place first.
As for AEG being the bad guys: Like Souza, I do not reject this idea at all but I still believe its WAY more complicated than that.
I’m also very excited today so you guys are not alone. I’m just happy to be on this adventure with everyone! I love you all!! <3
And DON’T forget! We are all here for a reason. This did not affect us the way that it did for nothing. There are NO coincidences!
I believe that is why Michael has trimmed us down to a small size, like Gideon’s army of 300 against the Midianites, who in the Bible story turned on each other and destroyed each other in their panic. We are more important to TS than we realize, even as some of us feel TS is important to us staying here, reading and posting. He is reading what we say.
Applehead I've always loved the Coroner van video with the others jumping out.
Especially now with TMZ posting the pic about Abraham Lincoln alive--see him jump out. Next it will be Elvis, then Jesus--well... Wait--did ALL four hoax their deaths! ;)
Mjonmind I had to go BACK,lol ,because is something we are missing :? ,is something that disturbs me very much,and I think is about HISTORY,about OUR true HISTORY,from the BEGININGs. It is a very good reason TMZ is takeig us BACK,I can feel it .We are asked to beLIEve ,but why to believe a word,that has the LIE in it????? WHY???? In THIS IS IT movie,we had THE FAKE DEATH motive,in MEGAMIND movie we also had THE FAKE DEATH motive,in ILLUSIONIST movie again THE FAKE DEATH motive.Elvis, Tupac and Michael also are suspected that they FAKED they DEATH. I'm sure that during this hoax we saw many fake death in movies but now I don't remember,lol,I'm sorry.
Like I said before,our SISTEM sucks BIG TIME and everything is BACKwards.TMZ put Lincon there with a reason,and I will not think otherwise.7White7Night7 is a member on this forum,and I saw all her VIDEOS.Her last video about Lincon,Murray sentence,justice,the system,religion,and DIRTY DIANA bed,lol it is mind-blowing and I'm almost 100% that the TRUTH is about THIS. To quote her :Quote" It's about 'THE SYSTEM' that hides behind the guise of RELIGION,a 'SYSTEM' that perverters the truth and conspires against the freedom and spiritual advancement of all humanity "WhiteNight
Michael Jackson Death Hoax Labyrinth: LOVE IS JUSTICE Ep 15
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXPKBthoo-o&feature=g-u[/youtube]
Jackson doctor's lawyers try to shift blame
Singer's longtime dermatologist keeps being mentioned, but can't be called to testify
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45060754/ns/today-entertainment/t/jackson-doctors-lawyers-try-shift-blame/
Klein has emerged as the missing link in the trial, with the defense raising his name at every turn and the judge ruling he may not be called as a witness because his care of Jackson is not at issue. He has not been charged with any wrongdoing.
Hi TS. We miss you like crazy.
TS did say the FBI are helping to create the illusion in order to EXPOSE the criminal.
I guess we just have to wait it out and keep watching.
Hi TS. We miss you like crazy.
Is this the video you are looking for ???i thought it was but i am not hearing it now. :?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-uTGQ&feature=related[/youtube]
also notably missing is souza... snif :P
WhiteKnight. I watched your video above. You were talking about the disappearance illusion on the bed during the song Dirty Diana. If you think about it, Michael has shown this disappearing many times. Even in the Billy Jean video he disappears under the sheets. He disappears on the sidewalk etc. He disappears and comes back during moonwalker. He turns to sand or black dust and then reappears during remember the time. He shrivels up in Ghosts and then comes back. And there is more. It seems like a common theme. Maybe you are right. There is something to think about regarding this "Disappearing Act". And Remember what Latoya said at the beginning "It's a magic Trick" !!!!!/bravo/ I never connected all the disappearing acts before. It's all a great illusion! michael-jackson/
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yes, Michael Joe Jackson didn't die, at least not officially penguin/Pearl Jr. insisted that his name is Joe !
yes, Michael Joe Jackson didn't die, at least not officially penguin/Pearl Jr. insisted that his name is Joe !
yes, Michael Joe Jackson didn't die, at least not officially penguin/Pearl Jr. insisted that his name is Joe !
I don't care what pearl says but I care what the family says. Latoya wrote on her twitter that his middle name is Joe. Also Jermaine wrote the same in his book too.
WhiteKnight. I watched your video above. You were talking about the disappearance illusion on the bed during the song Dirty Diana. If you think about it, Michael has shown this disappearing many times. Even in the Billy Jean video he disappears under the sheets. He disappears on the sidewalk etc. He disappears and comes back during moonwalker. He turns to sand or black dust and then reappears during remember the time. He shrivels up in Ghosts and then comes back. And there is more. It seems like a common theme. Maybe you are right. There is something to think about regarding this "Disappearing Act". And Remember what Latoya said at the beginning "It's a magic Trick" !!!!!
Love
WhiteKnight. I watched your video above. You were talking about the disappearance illusion on the bed during the song Dirty Diana. If you think about it, Michael has shown this disappearing many times. Even in the Billy Jean video he disappears under the sheets. He disappears on the sidewalk etc. He disappears and comes back during moonwalker. He turns to sand or black dust and then reappears during remember the time. He shrivels up in Ghosts and then comes back. And there is more. It seems like a common theme. Maybe you are right. There is something to think about regarding this "Disappearing Act". And Remember what Latoya said at the beginning "It's a magic Trick" !!!!!
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Thanks Dontwalk,I also think that there is something to think about this "Disappearing Act". This sounds to me like an ILUSION,aka a MAGIC TRICK!!!! Who knows,but in the Billie Jean video Michael goes UNDER SOME WHITE SHEET,no :????? On 25 june 2009 his "supposed body" was also UNDER a white sheet and after Pepsi accident again,his body was also covered in some white blanket :? .
(http://www.morgenpost.de/multimedia/archive/00399/jackson_abtransport_399460b.jpg)
(http://popculturefix.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/michael-jackson-4.jpg)
T..... S...... ?? come out......come out.....where ever u r. we're waitingI second that,please T.S.
WhiteKnight. I watched your video above. You were talking about the disappearance illusion on the bed during the song Dirty Diana. If you think about it, Michael has shown this disappearing many times. Even in the Billy Jean video he disappears under the sheets. He disappears on the sidewalk etc. He disappears and comes back during moonwalker. He turns to sand or black dust and then reappears during remember the time. He shrivels up in Ghosts and then comes back. And there is more. It seems like a common theme. Maybe you are right. There is something to think about regarding this "Disappearing Act". And Remember what Latoya said at the beginning "It's a magic Trick" !!!!!
T..... S...... ?? come out......come out.....where ever u r. we're waitingI second that,please T.S.
T..... S...... ?? come out......come out.....where ever u r. we're waitingI second that,please T.S.
He said he will be back next week. How much do you guys wanna bet he'll be back on 12/21? :lol:
Hey all, I am new here..Have been reading for years but finally decided to join now to add a major clue that was just given out..Paris just said on the Ellen Degeneres show that she and Michael used to practice acting, and, she is able to fake cry on cue and not even Michael could tell..Here is the link..http://www.toofab.com/2011/12/14/paris-jacksons-interview-ellen-degeneres-acting-masks-video/?adid=rr_tfab_link3
T..... S...... ?? come out......come out.....where ever u r. we're waitingI second that,please T.S.
He said he will be back next week. How much do you guys wanna bet he'll be back on 12/21? :lol:
Why not on Monday? I can't wait for the next week.
T..... S...... ?? come out......come out.....where ever u r. we're waitingI second that,please T.S.
He said he will be back next week. How much do you guys wanna bet he'll be back on 12/21? :lol:
Why not on Monday? I can't wait for the next week.
Welcome. You know, you might be right, faking cry can be a hint that she was acting on memorial. I love the girl, I hope she will remain pure as she is right now.
T..... S...... ?? come out......come out.....where ever u r. we're waitingI second that,please T.S.
He said he will be back next week. How much do you guys wanna bet he'll be back on 12/21? :lol:
Why not on Monday? I can't wait for the next week.
Knowing TS, it would be on a significant date, that's why i said 12/21. ;)
Dontwalkaway:
That’s very interesting! As you have mentioned, he ‘disappears’ in ‘Billie Jean’s’ bed as well. ‘Dirty Diana’ is an updated name for ‘Billie Jean’. ‘Suzie’ is the most recent name that he has given her. He is referring to the same ‘woman’. They all have the same story too because he refers to all of them as ‘groupies’.
I do believe that this is an important part of the illusion but I agree with curls. Lol It’s more exciting when the ‘how’ is kept a secret. It is much more intriguing that way. I also think that Chris Angel is in the mix as well, although I do not know to what extent. There are a lot of great hoax videos that explore this idea.
Applehead: As for the white sheets, to me, it seems apparent that he has been planning this for a VERY long time! I DO NOT believe that it was something that he decided to do out of the blue. There are way to many technicalities and dimensions to the hoax for it to be something spontaneous. Thanks for posting the pictures! <3
Apple, what do you mean? afraid of who?
Apple, what do you mean? afraid of who?
Miss G I just said he is NOT AFRAID of ANYONE,and that including the SYSTEM or the "CHURCH"!!!!
Apple, what do you mean? afraid of who?
Miss G I just said he is NOT AFRAID of ANYONE,and that including the SYSTEM or the "CHURCH"!!!!
Hey Applehead!
I agree with you and I’m glad that you enjoyed my video! I will embed the vid under this so that those who are interested can see what you are referring to:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98FJJMQRISs[/youtube]
I think that the 21st of December would be a perfect date for a redirect or a post from TS. He made a post in the 11-11-11 thread on Dec 13th saying that he was busy with an ‘important project’ and that he would be back in a week from then.
So we will probably not see anything new till then. I say take your time TS! I’m willing to wait it out all the way till the end! <3 Good things come to those who wait! After all, Michael did as us for ‘patience and endurance’ if I recall correctly.
In the meantime, (for those of you who still read this particular thread) here is a video sequence that I made for the end of the video above that applehead is talking about. It’s the last part but I felt that it would be perfect by itself. I hope you guys enjoy it!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP7WAYIG_7s[/youtube]
Apple, what do you mean? afraid of who?
Miss G I just said he is NOT AFRAID of ANYONE,and that including the SYSTEM or the "CHURCH"!!!!
Hey Applehead!
I agree with you and I’m glad that you enjoyed my video! I will embed the vid under this so that those who are interested can see what you are referring to:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98FJJMQRISs[/youtube]
I think that the 21st of December would be a perfect date for a redirect or a post from TS. He made a post in the 11-11-11 thread on Dec 13th saying that he was busy with an ‘important project’ and that he would be back in a week from then.
So we will probably not see anything new till then. I say take your time TS! I’m willing to wait it out all the way till the end! <3 Good things come to those who wait! After all, Michael did as us for ‘patience and endurance’ if I recall correctly.
In the meantime, (for those of you who still read this particular thread) here is a video sequence that I made for the end of the video above that applehead is talking about. It’s the last part but I felt that it would be perfect by itself. I hope you guys enjoy it!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP7WAYIG_7s[/youtube]
February 2010: “[Jermaine] He was very, very healthy but Michael was not with us, way before he arrived to the airport. ... But it’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold. [Interviewer] Do you know what it is, and you’re waiting for it to come out? [Jermaine] Yes, yes, I do. ... I know ...” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q)}.
June 2010: “[Larry] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. We love you, we miss him; the world needs to know the truth, we need to know the truth, you need to know the truth. And, uh, absolutely; we’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.” {1:32, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg)}.
February 20, 2011: “There is a due legal process we must honor. Justice first. And then it will be time for truth.” {http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368 (http://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/39409940007354368)}.
November 16, 2011: “@latoyajackson why don’t you talk more about the real MJ’s killer..?”
{http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929 (http://twitter.com/#!/_MariamFenty/status/136670562297724929)}.
November 16, 2011: “@_MariamFenty you will DEFINITELY hear more in the near future!!!”
{http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/136671664577576960)}.
November 21, 2011: “Thanking all the FANS for their support last night! Thank you so very much!!! Keep the faith!!!” {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336 (http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/138764680981262336)}.
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