Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Understanding His Music & (Short) Films => Michael's Life & Clues He Left Us => Thriller => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2009, 06:48:08 AM
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She was more like a beauty queen
From a movie scene
I said, don't mind
But what do you mean
I am the one
Who will dance on the floor, in the round'
She says, 'I am the one who will dance
On the floor in the round'
She told me her name was Billie Jean
As she caused a scene
Then every head turned with eyes
That dreamed of being the one
Who will dance on the floor, in the round
People always told me,
Be careful of what you do
And don't go around
Breaking young girls' hearts
And mother always told me,
Be careful of who you love
And be careful what you do
Cause the lie becomes the truth
Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that
I am the one
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one
But the kid is not my son
For forty days and forty nights
I was on her side
But who can stand
When she's in demand
Her schemes and plans
Cause we danced on the floor, in the round
So take my strong advice
Just remember to always think twice
(Do think twice)
Do think twice
Hooo
She told my baby
We danced till three
And she looked at me
Then showed a photo
My baby cried
His eyes were like mine
Can we dance on the floor, in the round, babe
People always told me,
Be careful of what you do
And don't go around
Breaking young girls' hearts'
(Don't break no hearts)
But you came and stood right by me
Just a smell of sweet perfume
This happened much too soon
She called me to her room
Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that
I am the one
But the kid is not my son
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that
I am the one
But the kid is not my son
No, no
She says I am the one
(Oh, babe)
But the kid is not my son
He, he, he
Hoo!
Hoo!
She says I am the one
But the kid is not my son
No, no, no
Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that
I am the one
(You know what you did to me, babe)
But the kid is not my son
No, no, no, no
No, no
She says I am the one
But the kid is not my son
No, no
She says I am the one
You know what you did
She says he is my son
Breaking my heart, babe
She says I am the one
Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover
Freddie and I had discussions about it for hours, I won't bother you with it all and it took me some time so see, but in short it could be possible that he means this by it:
Who is the kid on the photo?
'His eyes were like mine', 'But the kid is not my son'. So the kid is Mike himself.
Who is Billie Jean?
Billie Jean is the public, the world. The public chose him to 'dance in the round', since he was a kid. The public is also in demand, they want new music, they want him to dance and sing and make music. The public also lies, we have seen enough examples through the years of lies about him. But his mother also says: "Don't go around breakin' young girls' hearts", because the public is also his fans. Which could mean that in some of his lyrics where he mentions a 'girl' he could also mean 'the public' or 'the fans'.
It's just a smart part of what we discussed, but with this and after S.T.U.D.Y.'s posts concerning TIAI, I think we can strip more of his songs, especially from thr BAD-era until Invincible, because he became more political from that time on.
I wonder what you guys come up with!
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:shock: Lady, I'm falling out of my chair!
This could be a reason why I thought this song didn't make clear sense. When I listen to a song I try to imagine it in my head as a movie, but this song doesn't come together clearly. If you compare it to Beat It, that song has pretty clear message and video, but Billy Jean is abstract.
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Does anyone remember the (possible) explanation from Another part of me?
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Indeed Michael is talking to us through his songs and sometimes we have to read between the lines.
In this same song I just wanted to point out the sentence "cause the lie becomes the truth" as Michael omitted to pronounce it in TII rehearsal while perfoming Billy Jean. It was surely to highlight it. The lie has really became the truth nowadays and as I like to say to tell the truth has become a revolutionary act. People have even been killed to have told the truth. That's why this sentence is very important.
Nevertheless the Truth always prevails thanks to God.
God Bless you.
I love MJ
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"cause the lie becomes the truth"
this line has bothered me about this song for so long...i use to argue that the son was his kid because at one point he admits that he "danced" with her in the round and then at the end he says the lie becomes the truth and also he gets in the bed with her in the video
but like most mj songs what you think he is talking about he is not... :lol: so good topic souza
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:shock: Lady, I'm falling out of my chair!
This could be a reason why I thought this song didn't make clear sense. When I listen to a song I try to imagine it in my head as a movie, but this song doesn't come together clearly. If you compare it to Beat It, that song has pretty clear message and video, but Billy Jean is abstract.
actually beat it doesnt make sense either because at one point he is like "just beat and it and run" then towards the end he is like saying just do it and not be scared...
[2nd Verse]
You Better Run, You Better Do What You Can
Don't Wanna See No Blood, Don't Be A Macho Man
You Wanna Be Tough, Better Do What You Can
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here he is saying run
[4th Verse]
You Have To Show Them That You're Really Not Scared
You're Playin' With Your Life, This Ain't No Truth Or Dare
They'll Kick You, Then They Beat You,
Then They'll Tell You It's Fair
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here is saying show them you not scared...but earlier he said not be macho and no he is saying be macho..this dont make sense...lol
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:shock: Lady, I'm falling out of my chair!
This could be a reason why I thought this song didn't make clear sense. When I listen to a song I try to imagine it in my head as a movie, but this song doesn't come together clearly. If you compare it to Beat It, that song has pretty clear message and video, but Billy Jean is abstract.
actually beat it doesnt make sense either because at one point he is like "just beat and it and run" then towards the end he is like saying just do it and not be scared...
[2nd Verse]
You Better Run, You Better Do What You Can
Don't Wanna See No Blood, Don't Be A Macho Man
You Wanna Be Tough, Better Do What You Can
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here he is saying run
[4th Verse]
You Have To Show Them That You're Really Not Scared
You're Playin' With Your Life, This Ain't No Truth Or Dare
They'll Kick You, Then They Beat You,
Then They'll Tell You It's Fair
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here is saying show them you not scared...but earlier he said not be macho and no he is saying be macho..this dont make sense...lol
:shock: :o *falls out chair* :lol: :lol:
Your right! Your right! I did notice that. I think the story is more clear and easier to take as is. The gang thing is easier to see, and the song is easy to conform to that idea. But who ever he is struggling against is probaly like a ganster organization.
It seems that the story is that he needs to run away from these people because they are dangerous. He even knows that blood will be spilled if he associates with them. The smart the to do is to run away.
The world he is entering or lives in is treacherous. Life or death. Showing fear is not an option. They will kick as a warning. Then beat you. When their done with you, they'll tell you it was fair. As if they have the right, like the own you (slave).
By saying that he is playing with his life, it's seem like their is a way out or that submission is the best course. Like whatever he's going to do, either fightback or building his own dominance, will cause a marked difference in the life he lead before.
Yet, even in his making power-plays, gaining dominance/independance, they still have the power to met out punishment (kick you, then they beat you). They can even assault and batter someone, as if police authorities won't be able to help you(tell you it's fair.
So the song is about a struggle between continued submission/getting out (beat it) or taking an offensive stance against them (show them how funky, strong is your fight).
:?:
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"cause the lie becomes the truth"
this line has bothered me about this song for so long...i use to argue that the son was his kid because at one point he admits that he "danced" with her in the round and then at the end he says the lie becomes the truth and also he gets in the bed with her in the video
but like most mj songs what you think he is talking about he is not... :lol: so good topic souza
You another that bothered me is in this song, Dirty Diana, and Dangerous, it's obvious he's is fooling around with the villianess of the song. It also, show that he has a girlfriend or wife already.
She told my baby
We danced till three
And she looked at me
Then showed a photo
My baby cried
His eyes were like mine
Can we dance on the floor, in the round, babe
Even thought the villaness cause him trouble and heartache, he goes back to her.
But I loved it, cause it's Dangerous
So, he laments these woman, yet was fooling around, cheating, and loves it. What's up with that? :? I just thought he was a groupie-sex slut. Maybe his songs have more meaning than that. ;)
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what im thinking is that he it not talking about women in the songs at all...if we replace girls with something else it would probly make alot more sense
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what im thinking is that he it not talking about women in the songs at all...if we replace girls with something else it would probly make alot more sense
Maybe the woman is the fans and some of the public. The villian shows hurtful pictures and say lying things that make his baby cry.
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Okay this could be quite far-fetched but you know Come together lyrics
Come together, right now
Over me
And you know the saying over my dead body
So could that be some kind of clue? I mean he clearly wants us to come together as an army of L.O.V.E, but since he is not dead, we can't come together over his dead body, so we'll just come together over him.
Just a thought...
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Okay this could be quite far-fetched but you know Come together lyrics
Come together, right now
Over me
And you know the saying over my dead body
So could that be some kind of clue? I mean he clearly wants us to come together as an army of L.O.V.E, but since he is not dead, we can't come together over his dead body, so we'll just come together over him.
Just a thought...
Except MJ only covered that song not wrote it!! The Beatles did it before MJ. I think anything going this far back means nothing imo....
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First of all thank you Freddie01 for showing me how to strip lyrics, which made me think of giving this it's own category. This new forum category is to make you reread all the lyrics again to see what he could have meant by them. As he says himself in This Is It, "That's why I write these kind of songs, you know. To give some sense of awareness and awakening and hope to people."
Freddie showed me how to strip Billie Jean, and I think he has a great theory with this. Let me first show you the lyrics:
She was more like a beauty queen
From a movie scene
I said, don't mind
But what do you mean
I am the one
Who will dance on the floor, in the round'
She says, 'I am the one who will dance
On the floor in the round'
She told me her name was Billie Jean
As she caused a scene
Then every head turned with eyes
That dreamed of being the one
Who will dance on the floor, in the round
People always told me,
Be careful of what you do
And don't go around
Breaking young girls' hearts
And mother always told me,
Be careful of who you love
And be careful what you do
Cause the lie becomes the truth
Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that
I am the one
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one
But the kid is not my son
For forty days and forty nights
I was on her side
But who can stand
When she's in demand
Her schemes and plans
Cause we danced on the floor, in the round
So take my strong advice
Just remember to always think twice
(Do think twice)
Do think twice
Hooo
She told my baby
We danced till three
And she looked at me
Then showed a photo
My baby cried
His eyes were like mine
Can we dance on the floor, in the round, babe
People always told me,
Be careful of what you do
And don't go around
Breaking young girls' hearts'
(Don't break no hearts)
But you came and stood right by me
Just a smell of sweet perfume
This happened much too soon
She called me to her room
Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that
I am the one
But the kid is not my son
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that
I am the one
But the kid is not my son
No, no
She says I am the one
(Oh, babe)
But the kid is not my son
He, he, he
Hoo!
Hoo!
She says I am the one
But the kid is not my son
No, no, no
Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that
I am the one
(You know what you did to me, babe)
But the kid is not my son
No, no, no, no
No, no
She says I am the one
But the kid is not my son
No, no
She says I am the one
You know what you did
She says he is my son
Breaking my heart, babe
She says I am the one
Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover
Freddie and I had discussions about it for hours, I won't bother you with it all and it took me some time so see, but in short it could be possible that he means this by it:
Who is the kid on the photo?
'His eyes were like mine', 'But the kid is not my son'. So the kid is Mike himself.
Who is Billie Jean?
Billie Jean is the public, the world. The public chose him to 'dance in the round', since he was a kid. The public is also in demand, they want new music, they want him to dance and sing and make music. The public also lies, we have seen enough examples through the years of lies about him. But his mother also says: "Don't go around breakin' young girls' hearts", because the public is also his fans. Which could mean that in some of his lyrics where he mentions a 'girl' he could also mean 'the public' or 'the fans'.
It's just a smart part of what we discussed, but with this and after S.T.U.D.Y.'s posts concerning TIAI, I think we can strip more of his songs, especially from thr BAD-era until Invincible, because he became more political from that time on.
I wonder what you guys come up with!
I came here to post a discussion but there is no thread thingy for off the wall or thriller? is that on purpose?
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Oh, I know Beatles made the song first but Michael chose to sing it for SOME reason. But as I said, my theory was far-fetched.
But I do think that this whole thing was in the back of his mind quite early. I mean the cover of Dangerous album is very interesting and little hints could be found in many places. But I do admid that some of us might exaggarate things a BIT ;)
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Michael had sense in all his songs. He wrote some sense and awareness to people, to give people hope.
Smooth Criminal - Moonwalker version.
(search on youtube) Strange text.
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Hmmmm, interesting how you broke that down.
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Thanks for the posting :) :)
*Mind is clear of confusion*
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I get what you are saying with billie jean...makes sense. With this in mind, the lyric."just remember to always think twice" I see him warning future entertainers to think twice before they decide to take on the music industry and the public. "I could smell her sweet perfume...it happened rather soon" It's true, the industry and fans call to you and it is intoxicating. You cant just leave stardom behind. "be careful what you do before the lie become the truth" That is a prophecy for MJ! Isn't that true! The lie of him being a ped...(I can't even type the sick word) became the truth over night!
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I get what you are saying with billie jean...makes sense. With this in mind, the lyric."just remember to always think twice" I see him warning future entertainers to think twice before they decide to take on the music industry and the public. "I could smell her sweet perfume...it happened rather soon" It's true, the industry and fans call to you and it is intoxicating. You cant just leave stardom behind. "be careful what you do before the lie become the truth" That is a prophecy for MJ! Isn't that true! The lie of him being a ped...(I can't even type the sick word) became the truth over night!
i think billy jean is the devil, notice in the video is "sleeps" with her at the end but its just an entitiy..
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I think the gangs in 'beat it' could be the powers that be the ones that you don't see and the ones that you do. The socialistic drug dealers and the media or greedy wolves in sheep clothing and stalkers.
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I lived through a Beat It situation. A gang member stole my sisters bike/ 10 speed, and when I came home from college on my summer break of '97 I couldn't believe it, so, while I was outside at about 8pm no particular night I thought I saw a guy about my age 18, on a 10 speed that looked like my sisters bike, which was stolen about a month before. So I said to myself if this boy comes back in front of my house with my sisters stolen bike I am going to stop him., and he came riding back around in the street and when I saw him a little ways back I started walking towards the street to stop infront of him. My body was field with adrenaline and I was not about to let him keep riding on my sisters stolen bike. I don't think so! So I said excuse me, but where did you get this bike from and he told me that he got it from another guy so I told him that it was my sisters bike and it was stolen and then I said you have to get off. He flipped his top shirt open and said 'I don't want any trouble' yes he showed me his gun in his pants and I said there is no trouble, you are on a pink 10speed bike that doesn't belong to you. I said 'I don't want to make trouble either, but you need to get off this bike and if your friend comes back with you to claim this bike then we can talk. As this is going on the police pulled up right behind me. So as soon as the guy on my sisters bike realized that the police was behind me he got off of the bike and tried to walk away but the officers stopped him and sure enough he was a drug dealer and had an unregistered weapon on him. One less bad guy off the streets of Chicago. When I look at the 'beat it' video I think of alot of brave or macho people in the world that do the right thing but sometimes don't get a chance to live to tell it. God be with you all. Because he had someone with me that day and I hope he has someone with you.
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Like the beginning of HIStory says, he doesn't sing it if he doesn't mean it. ;)
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I guest alot of people are like tongue twister. His music keeps me dancing.
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what im thinking is that he it not talking about women in the songs at all...if we replace girls with something else it would probly make alot more sense
I think that in the later songs, like Heaven Can Wait, or You Are My Life he sings about his children... and in Speechless it's about love he feels for God. But I could be wrong. :oops:
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Sorry, but you are wrong.
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Sorry, but you are wrong.
OK :lol:
Do you have an explanation?
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Souza,
I believe you speak the truth. The more interesting thing about this topic is how few responses you have gotten to it. The truth is always staring them in the face, but yet they choose to ignore it. I hate to say it, but most of the posters here are here on some fantasy kick hoping Michael will come back and everything will be as it was again, which it can never be. They want Michael to "save" them and in that line of thinking lies the inherent problem. The public ARE Michael's opposition and I honestly and truly believe THAT is what is the primary cause behind him having to go into hiding.
The public is OUT OF CONTROL AND NEEDS TO CHANGE!
Like he said in a song once long ago...
"Make that CHANGE."
A video series will be coming soon from me to address this in more detail.
Great observations! Too bad nobody else can see it.
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What a girl this must have been, that his love for her lasted so many years, through two of his marriages...??? :shock:
Maybe he escaped the world to be with her???
I hope, he is happy... :?
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sorry i forgot to mention that they first met in 1986 when he was recovering from a minor surgery in a spa in marbella,
this girl was given lyrics to 11 songs that he had written for her, some of the songs are ones that you claim were written for his children, when in actual fact these songs were penned many years before the children were born
Like in Remember the time when he refers somewhere in the song to Spain???
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But I loved it, cause it's Dangerous
I've always thought this part, and a couple of other lines was inspired by the movie The Bandwagon (starring Fred Astaire). I remember when it (Dangerous) came out, it had a couple of lines directly from the film, at the part that's called the Girl Hunt Ballet. ("She came at me in sections", "she was bad", "she was dangerous", etc.) It's already said that the Smooth Criminal video was inspired by this very film as well.
Interesting to see the part about a girl in Spain, though.
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funny, i just listened to 'morphine' today and really paid attention to the lyrics regarding who he was talking about. it's like the great music keeps you from going into the lyrics sometimes. but ever since 'bad', each of his songs had a message. and it was always personal experience or some issue he personally wanted to emphasize.
i think someone 'fixed him' and replaced demerol with morphine without him knowing (to show him something even 'better working') and i had a gut feeling that it could have been debbie rowe he was talking about, cuz he mentions a 'she' several times. like she tricked him into morphine. (relax...don't resent me...close your eyes...count to ten - that's nurse talk to me.)
i remember arnie klein talking about how she was giving michael shots without dr. klein even being around. i mean, she did get fired and michael obviously never really had much contact with her after their divorce.
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i got another one:
in the 'you rock my world' short film there is a particluar line, before michael starts singing:
'mickey wants do die' - he told us back then this was coming!!! :shock:
the guy keeps challenging him:
'you ain't nothing. come on, big man, lemme see what you got.'
'show me all you got' - like he was 'challenged' to tour, to show all he got? tabloids that won't stop?
he does that three times, more aggressive each time (his trials/ losing neverland?). in between, michael does some fierce dance routines (shows all he got) with his group. they are forming a 'v', red and black colors only!!! and you can hardly see mj's face during the routine, like 'v', same camera angle, clear reference to 'v for vendetta'!!! :shock: vendetta is happening right now, soon-to-be exposure of the bad guys with an army of people (fans, supporters) behind him.
they approach the bad guys (still dancing) and mike gives the bad one a full swing. like we have never seen before! (you o like: what? mike is hitting someone? :o ) the guys is k.o.'d, total turmoil, fighting etc.
the whole joint is wrecked and goes up in flames (his public 'death'). mike escapes and gets away unnoticed...aaand: he gets the girl, of course!!! ;) anyone got chris tucker's phone no.? :mrgreen:
'you rock my world' is not only a clue to me, it might be one of the most important ones regarding the whole structure of the hoax-setup! :mrgreen:
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i got another one:
in the 'you rock my world' short film there is a particluar line, before michael starts singing:
'mickey wants do die' - he told us back then this was coming!!! :shock:
the guy keeps challenging him:
'you ain't nothing. come on, big man, lemme see what you got.'
'show me all you got' - like he was 'challenged' to tour, to show all he got? tabloids that won't stop?
he does that three times, more aggressive each time (his trials/ losing neverland?). in between, michael does some fierce dance routines (shows all he got) with his group. they are forming a 'v', red and black colors only!!! and you can hardly see mj's face during the routine, like 'v', same camera angle, clear reference to 'v for vendetta'!!! :shock: vendetta is happening right now, soon-to-be exposure of the bad guys with an army of people (fans, supporters) behind him.
they approach the bad guys (still dancing) and mike gives the bad one a full swing. like we have never seen before! (you o like: what? mike is hitting someone? :o ) the guys is k.o.'d, total turmoil, fighting etc.
the whole joint is wrecked and goes up in flames (his public 'death'). mike escapes and gets away unnoticed...aaand: he gets the girl, of course!!! ;) anyone got chris tucker's phone no.? :mrgreen:
'you rock my world' is not only a clue to me, it might be one of the most important ones regarding the whole structure of the hoax-setup! :mrgreen:
hmmm, I think you muht be onto something, what I underlined is the part that made the most sense to me !
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i got another one:
in the 'you rock my world' short film there is a particluar line, before michael starts singing:
'mickey wants do die' - he told us back then this was coming!!! :shock:
the guy keeps challenging him:
'you ain't nothing. come on, big man, lemme see what you got.'
'show me all you got' - like he was 'challenged' to tour, to show all he got? tabloids that won't stop?
he does that three times, more aggressive each time (his trials/ losing neverland?). in between, michael does some fierce dance routines (shows all he got) with his group. they are forming a 'v', red and black colors only!!! and you can hardly see mj's face during the routine, like 'v', same camera angle, clear reference to 'v for vendetta'!!! :shock: vendetta is happening right now, soon-to-be exposure of the bad guys with an army of people (fans, supporters) behind him.
they approach the bad guys (still dancing) and mike gives the bad one a full swing. like we have never seen before! (you o like: what? mike is hitting someone? :o ) the guys is k.o.'d, total turmoil, fighting etc.
the whole joint is wrecked and goes up in flames (his public 'death'). mike escapes and gets away unnoticed...aaand: he gets the girl, of course!!! ;) anyone got chris tucker's phone no.? :mrgreen:
'you rock my world' is not only a clue to me, it might be one of the most important ones regarding the whole structure of the hoax-setup! :mrgreen:
hmmm, I think you muht be onto something, what I underlined is the part that made the most sense to me !
i actually think you can do that to almost any of his songs, especially around and after 1993. when you think 'hoax' and interpret them that way, he was telling this story for years and maybe even how this is set up...this is payback...big time payback. everybody gets their 'piece' now.
'invincible' is filled with tracks like that, listen to 'privacy'! the whole album is almost an announcement of what's happening now.
that was also the time when he really started going public with his criticism, telling everybody how crooked this whole system is, especially entertainment business. and did anything change in the past 10 years? nope. it got worse, even. you need to be either a 'gangsta' (attitude!) or a 'hoe' (outfits!) nowadays to be selling records. no other message necessary. it's all about sex, violence, dissing each other...we're going down and we're thinking it's 'just entertainment', that's wrong. thinking hoax, this is the only way to hold the mirror up to everybody's faces...the only way to read the clues is when you understand what mj was really about. the general public very probably doesn't and eats the garbage that is served to them as 'breaking news' by the tabloids.
that's my take... :mrgreen:
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listened to 'threatened' today with special attention to the lyrics. this is my take:
i'm beginning to think that invincible is the album with most clues, given the context it was produced in (fight with sony etc.). if i'm thinking right, mj planned this at least a decade ago.
here's some 'clips':
'...you're fearing me, cause you know, i'm a beast...'
- a business 'beast' that is, and in every single one of his fields (u rock! :mrgreen: )-
'...i'm the living dead...i heard just what you said...that's why you should feel threatened by me...half the time, the lady speaks, she speaks of me...you should be watching me, you should feel threatened...half of me will never be...'
- this one goes out to sony, i think. michael left sony, still owning half of the catalogue. he's still making half of what could be sony's money in publishing rights...(good job, mike! :mrgreen: 'half of me will never be sony's') the only way they can make money out of michael now is taking every last vid down from youtube and make people buy their stuff, if they wanna see michael. you cannot buy michael music/dvds/merch without buying sony! nothing official available on youtube any more, unless you give your money to sony. 'this is it' is the last thing they can make money with. and some more 'best of's, of course... :roll: (coming up soon... :roll: ) no new stuff for them...free agent! :mrgreen: he knew then that he only needed one more album by the time his contract with them ends, anyway.
'the lady' could be representing (mostly female) newscasters, meaning everytime you turn the news on, it's michael-time! :mrgreen: he ain't going nowhere, folx! :mrgreen: still here!
'...i'm not a ghost from hell, but i got a spell on you...you're worst nightmare. it's me, i'm everywhere...in one blink i disappear...and then i come back to haunt you...i'm the one watching you...'
- see above... :mrgreen: but he makes sure that not one move stays unnoticed. any wrong move, something will happen (estate steps in, something.)
another point here: michael repeatedly said that he wrote '100's of songs' for any album he did. he got music for decades to come. as soon as anything of that surfaces, meaning new michael music available, people will be on it like white on rice and sony's michael business will drop like a hot potatoe. you can believe that scares the sh!t outta sony, cuz they know already, as we sit here: that day will come! :mrgreen: (eat this!)
newsclip: '...being in two places at the same time...this is judgement day...execution...the double goes back to his monster...you can be sure of one thing...that's it...this is fear...a monster...the worst thing to fear...what you just witnessed could be the end of the most terrifying nightmare...it isn't...it's the beginning...'
- i didn' get it all, michael was so clever to almost hide stuff like this under the beat...you have to listen hard, but i think i got it pretty much: 'two places at the same time' could either mean using doubles or, more probably, being officially dead and alive and kicking at the same time...'judgement day/ execution was june 25, 2009...then the 'prescription drug addict'-monster was created. or the monster could be the hoax as well. cuz it is monstrous, i'm tellin' ya!
the last line is very crucial to me...one nightmare, the public nightmare for michael is over but at the same time, the nightmare of michael jackson being officially dead is still going on, especially for his fans or those who are not in on the hoax... :mrgreen:
comments, plz? :mrgreen:
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'unbreakable' - clips:
'...don't you ever make no mistake, baby i got what it takes...and there's no way you will ever get me...'
- he was always underestimated, nobody thought he would 'outthink' sony...
- tabloids moving on to destroy mj's image, but it won't phase him
'...you can't believe it, you can't conceive it...and you can't touch me, cause i'm untouchable...and i know you hate it, and you can't take it...you never break me, cause i'm unbreakable...'
- his fame is so extraordinary that people are mad and jealous about it
- tabloids trying to destroy his image have been unsuccessful to this day! pain in the a$$ for any tabloid! (sux, right??? :mrgreen: )
'...you've done your thing...and when you bury me underneath all your pain...i'm standing laughing...while surfacing...*
- tabloids etc. have given their all, they realize the mistake they made and leave him alone, meaning writing nice stuff for a change...and then - bam! :mrgreen:
'...no, not with what you do...i'm still gonna be there...'
- anything bad still written about mj is immediately destroyed, because his current image makes all that invalid anyway. and he is even loved more now.
rap-part (didn't get half of it, can someone with skillz plz help?):
'...disappearing acts...strictly not to match...copperfield material...street people, yes, that'll be my wagon...shut it down if i die...'
- this is what happened on june 25, 2009. the day mj disappeared. don't know what the 'shut it down' means, could refer to neverland, since he was still there at the time the album was done.
- strictly not to match is one of mj's general trademarks anyway...something the world has never seen, like an elaborate hoax such as this one! :mrgreen:
all cleverly hidden in a song that could easily portray the relationship to a woman...GENIUS!!! :mrgreen:
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funny, i just listened to 'morphine' today and really paid attention to the lyrics regarding who he was talking about. it's like the great music keeps you from going into the lyrics sometimes. but ever since 'bad', each of his songs had a message. and it was always personal experience or some issue he personally wanted to emphasize.
i think someone 'fixed him' and replaced demerol with morphine without him knowing (to show him something even 'better working') and i had a gut feeling that it could have been debbie rowe he was talking about, cuz he mentions a 'she' several times. like she tricked him into morphine. (relax...don't resent me...close your eyes...count to ten - that's nurse talk to me.)
i remember arnie klein talking about how she was giving michael shots without dr. klein even being around. i mean, she did get fired and michael obviously never really had much contact with her after their divorce.
I could have sworn he was screaming Debby in the song too and when I was younger I used to wonder if it was about her, but shrugged it off cause they did marry. And I agree with the nurse talk part, it's like sedating someone and being in a state of calmness.
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funny, i just listened to 'morphine' today and really paid attention to the lyrics regarding who he was talking about. it's like the great music keeps you from going into the lyrics sometimes. but ever since 'bad', each of his songs had a message. and it was always personal experience or some issue he personally wanted to emphasize.
i think someone 'fixed him' and replaced demerol with morphine without him knowing (to show him something even 'better working') and i had a gut feeling that it could have been debbie rowe he was talking about, cuz he mentions a 'she' several times. like she tricked him into morphine. (relax...don't resent me...close your eyes...count to ten - that's nurse talk to me.)
i remember arnie klein talking about how she was giving michael shots without dr. klein even being around. i mean, she did get fired and michael obviously never really had much contact with her after their divorce.
I could have sworn he was screaming Debby in the song too and when I was younger I used to wonder if it was about her, but shrugged it off cause they did marry. And I agree with the nurse talk part, it's like sedating someone and being in a state of calmness.
i dunno about screaming debbie, gotta listen to it again. but it def sounds like someone turned him on to the drug.
i think he married her to do his mother a favour, so she would approve of debbie having his children. she is prob very old school about things like that. i remember myself, when my (now ex-)hubby and me went to visit his mom in the states, we couldn't stay at her house cuz we weren't married. it's still common for women of that generation to think that way.
it was a 'going through the motions'-thing.
:mrgreen:
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The song was inspired by a fan of MJ's name therese gonsales, you can look her up and it will give yoiu all the information about her and mJS RELATIONSHIP.
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Please stop stripping Michael's music,because you are taking the true meaning of the song away from Michael.Billie Jean has nothing to do with the public or the media.Billie Jean was about groupies who would come to his brothers stating they were pregnant,Mj has giving countless interviews about this.Therasa Gonsalas like to take credict for the song,but Michael never mentioned her,not even once.
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Please stop stripping Michael's music,because you are taking the true meaning of the song away from Michael.Billie Jean has nothing to do with the public or the media.Billie Jean was about groupies who would come to his brothers stating they were pregnant,Mj has giving countless interviews about this.Therasa Gonsalas like to take credict for the song,but Michael never mentioned her,not even once.
Don't you HATE that? When someone tries to put words in your mouth??? :mad: Grrrr. But, NO one can take ANY thing away from MJ's words and music. They are just doing 2 things most people do---A) mis-hear or mis-understand, and then fill in the blanks... with crap. B) try to make their chaotic world MAKE logical sense and kill some fear and pain. If people can believe MJ KNEW ahead of time, it means he's safe and we can relax, because he's ON it already.
It doesn't harm his masterpieces! It doesn't. Thoughtful people take him at his word, and FEEL his urgency to be real and real plain, I think... A true teacher's gift. If he WERE burying messages, which he expected to do us or him any good at ALL, he better be on his face PRAYING, right now, that we all get wonderstruck with the SAME GENIUS!
Although it is a compliment that people think he actually sat down to invent all this secret code and puzzles within a song which teaches on it's own, without a bunch of work. It's just hurting people making HIS words therapy(---EXCEPT for the one who's got Dirty Diana ALL TWISTED up with molestation. Brrrrother! Now THAT's just WRONG.)
It can be funny, too. There was a whole website, somewhere of how many WRONG things people heard him say in songs. I was crying it was SO retarded. Especially as his diction is so precise. I LOVE that! The most idiotic was in the song, "Beat It", the line where he states that "no one WANTs to be defeated...". That is such a GREAT song, full of wisdom, and the man CAN turn a phrase :!: :cool: :D
Anyway, some nut thought MJ said, "no one wants to EAT a PEANUT..." :!: Yup. :roll: THAT makes logical sense in a street brawl...
It reminds me of the Bible truth, not having hears to HEAR, and not realizing that you don't! :oops: But MOSTLY, WHY on earth would Michael Jackson EVER say THAT?
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Please stop stripping Michael's music,because you are taking the true meaning of the song away from Michael.Billie Jean has nothing to do with the public or the media.Billie Jean was about groupies who would come to his brothers stating they were pregnant,Mj has giving countless interviews about this.Therasa Gonsalas like to take credict for the song,but Michael never mentioned her,not even once.
Don't you HATE that? When someone tries to put words in your mouth??? :mad: Grrrr. But, NO one can take ANY thing away from MJ's words and music. They are just doing 2 things most people do---A) mis-hear or mis-understand, and then fill in the blanks... with crap. B) try to make their chaotic world MAKE logical sense and kill some fear and pain. If people can believe MJ KNEW ahead of time, it means he's safe and we can relax, because he's ON it already.
It doesn't harm his masterpieces! It doesn't. Thoughtful people take him at his word, and FEEL his urgency to be real and real plain, I think... A true teacher's gift. If he WERE burying messages, which he expected to do us or him any good at ALL, he better be on his face PRAYING, right now, that we all get wonderstruck with the SAME GENIUS!
Although it is a compliment that people think he actually sat down to invent all this secret code and puzzles within a song which teaches on it's own, without a bunch of work. It's just hurting people making HIS words therapy(---EXCEPT for the one who's got Dirty Diana ALL TWISTED up with molestation. Brrrrother! Now THAT's just WRONG.)
It can be funny, too. There was a whole website, somewhere of how many WRONG things people heard him say in songs. I was crying it was SO retarded. Especially as his diction is so precise. I LOVE that! The most idiotic was in the song, "Beat It", the line where he states that "no one WANTs to be defeated...". That is such a GREAT song, full of wisdom, and the man CAN turn a phrase :!: :cool: :D
Anyway, some nut thought MJ said, "no one wants to EAT a PEANUT..." :!: Yup. :roll: THAT makes logical sense in a street brawl...
It reminds me of the Bible truth, not having hears to HEAR, and not realizing that you don't! :oops: But MOSTLY, WHY on earth would Michael Jackson EVER say THAT?
HAhahahahahahah,"no one wants to eat a peanut",thanks you've made my day.
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Please stop stripping Michael's music,because you are taking the true meaning of the song away from Michael.Billie Jean has nothing to do with the public or the media.Billie Jean was about groupies who would come to his brothers stating they were pregnant,Mj has giving countless interviews about this.Therasa Gonsalas like to take credict for the song,but Michael never mentioned her,not even once.
Don't you HATE that? When someone tries to put words in your mouth??? :mad: Grrrr. But, NO one can take ANY thing away from MJ's words and music. They are just doing 2 things most people do---A) mis-hear or mis-understand, and then fill in the blanks... with crap. B) try to make their chaotic world MAKE logical sense and kill some fear and pain. If people can believe MJ KNEW ahead of time, it means he's safe and we can relax, because he's ON it already.
It doesn't harm his masterpieces! It doesn't. Thoughtful people take him at his word, and FEEL his urgency to be real and real plain, I think... A true teacher's gift. If he WERE burying messages, which he expected to do us or him any good at ALL, he better be on his face PRAYING, right now, that we all get wonderstruck with the SAME GENIUS!
Although it is a compliment that people think he actually sat down to invent all this secret code and puzzles within a song which teaches on it's own, without a bunch of work. It's just hurting people making HIS words therapy(---EXCEPT for the one who's got Dirty Diana ALL TWISTED up with molestation. Brrrrother! Now THAT's just WRONG.)
It can be funny, too. There was a whole website, somewhere of how many WRONG things people heard him say in songs. I was crying it was SO retarded. Especially as his diction is so precise. I LOVE that! The most idiotic was in the song, "Beat It", the line where he states that "no one WANTs to be defeated...". That is such a GREAT song, full of wisdom, and the man CAN turn a phrase :!: :cool: :D
Anyway, some nut thought MJ said, "no one wants to EAT a PEANUT..." :!: Yup. :roll: THAT makes logical sense in a street brawl...
It reminds me of the Bible truth, not having hears to HEAR, and not realizing that you don't! :oops: But MOSTLY, WHY on earth would Michael Jackson EVER say THAT?
And what makes you 2 think you are right? We are here to share opinions, not to bash each others posts. If you don't agree that is fine, but show some more respect to others.
Thank you.
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Please stop stripping Michael's music,because you are taking the true meaning of the song away from Michael.Billie Jean has nothing to do with the public or the media.Billie Jean was about groupies who would come to his brothers stating they were pregnant,Mj has giving countless interviews about this.Therasa Gonsalas like to take credict for the song,but Michael never mentioned her,not even once.
Don't you HATE that? When someone tries to put words in your mouth??? :mad: Grrrr. But, NO one can take ANY thing away from MJ's words and music. They are just doing 2 things most people do---A) mis-hear or mis-understand, and then fill in the blanks... with crap. B) try to make their chaotic world MAKE logical sense and kill some fear and pain. If people can believe MJ KNEW ahead of time, it means he's safe and we can relax, because he's ON it already.
It doesn't harm his masterpieces! It doesn't. Thoughtful people take him at his word, and FEEL his urgency to be real and real plain, I think... A true teacher's gift. If he WERE burying messages, which he expected to do us or him any good at ALL, he better be on his face PRAYING, right now, that we all get wonderstruck with the SAME GENIUS!
Although it is a compliment that people think he actually sat down to invent all this secret code and puzzles within a song which teaches on it's own, without a bunch of work. It's just hurting people making HIS words therapy(---EXCEPT for the one who's got Dirty Diana ALL TWISTED up with molestation. Brrrrother! Now THAT's just WRONG.)
It can be funny, too. There was a whole website, somewhere of how many WRONG things people heard him say in songs. I was crying it was SO retarded. Especially as his diction is so precise. I LOVE that! The most idiotic was in the song, "Beat It", the line where he states that "no one WANTs to be defeated...". That is such a GREAT song, full of wisdom, and the man CAN turn a phrase :!: :cool: :D
Anyway, some nut thought MJ said, "no one wants to EAT a PEANUT..." :!: Yup. :roll: THAT makes logical sense in a street brawl...
It reminds me of the Bible truth, not having hears to HEAR, and not realizing that you don't! :oops: But MOSTLY, WHY on earth would Michael Jackson EVER say THAT?
And what makes you 2 think you are right? We are here to share opinions, not to bash each others posts. If you don't agree that is fine, but show some more respect to others.
Thank you.
I'm sorry, Souza. I realize you and Mo are really getting beat up these days over all you do. You are probably expecting it from all directions. :( I thought I WAS just sharing my opinion.
I hope I am NEVER found bashing anyone! I am compelled to "flag" lies and call others on it, when they have been hurtful---but I am not a "basher"--- please don't think that.
I was referring to "crap' like T.G. saying she was the inspiration for Billie Jean. MJ MAY have told her that or let her THINK that, but he told US something different, so her version is not the truth until MJ validates her version. THIS is how rumors get started. "Word" corrected the one rumor, and I corrected the other one. I'm sorry if it came out wrong.
I was trying to BRIEFLY comfort "Word" over the heartfelt anxiety at spreading, what could go like wildfire, rumors, about what MJ really meant with his songs. I feel that MJ , if he were dead, would be spinning in his grave over the notion that he was singing about he and Diana Ross having a sexual relationship, starting when he was in grade school. :o Forget the pedophile sex---what is obscene is just the sheer disrespect in THAT way, of someone HE loves. That song is no way about that---so, it is crap with wings! It could start a vicious rumor just as bad as any tabloid and for NO practical Hoax-informational good. That's all I meant. :roll: I think Word and I understand each other, but , I'll choose more carefully my words, next time. :?
When I tried to say this over on the Bad thread, they thought I was bashing them, there! It feels to me, like I am simply protecting the legacy from ITSELF being bashed by them with their rumor-starting. :( I said what I felt and my post still speaks for me, even after they bash me. I don't fight with folk.
I apologize for trying to shorten :roll: :oops: :oops: my posts and sacrificing the clarity :!:
Is it really bashing to say something isn't right? Next time I will go the PM route, so as not to appear inflamatory . :)
I did say that people are using this lyric stripping for therapy for their own hurt, trying to make sense of things. That's not disrespectful. Perhaps I should have said,"people who are hurting" instead of "hurting people"? As I really did mean the NOUN and not the VERB... :)
I was NOT cutting on the topic---just the sour notes which could go to seed. It is one thing to discover messages in a song which pertain to the Hoax investigation. Heck, I've studied his lyrics myself---it ALL there, everything one could want to discover about MJ---but I'm not re-writing his songs' themes. Any artist would feel SO lonely and misunderstood, and ineffective at communicatiing in their Art. Michael Jackson surely doesn't deserve more of that. It is my opinion and intent to shield him :) from that kind of snowballing.
It was just TABLOID to bash Diana Ross and actually, Michael, too, with such a juicy lie.
Honestly, Souza, I am asking. Where did you feel I was not respectful? :? I will watch that.
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Ok anyone ever hear of a double meaning?
anyone that writes would know, I was doing a writing excersise and I began with sentences that made no sense to a conversation between two people and that turned into a poem about a cat LOL
thats art for you,
he might have started writing about something and then made it seem like he was talking about a female.
and about the Dirty Diana thing, no one said she was a pedophile, a lot of people believe their relationship started during filming of the Wiz and he was legal then ;)
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@Souza,It is my opinion again,you seem to have a problem with people who don't agree with you.No one is bashing anyone, you are over reacting.You need to understand that not everyone is going to agree with you just because you are one of the Administers of this site.I have done my resaerch,and I know the true meaning of Billie Jean as well.Please understand I am a Michael Jackson fan for over 30 years,you can't tell me nothing about Michael Jackson that I don't already know,peace.
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@it is her,thank you for having my back,peace.
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@Souza,It is my opinion again,you seem to have a problem with people who don't agree with you.No one is bashing anyone, you are over reacting.You need to understand that not everyone is going to agree with you just because you are one of the Administers of this site.I have done my resaerch,and I know the true meaning of Billie Jean as well.Please understand I am a Michael Jackson fan for over 30 years,you can't tell me nothing about Michael Jackson that I don't already know,peace.
Now this could be interesting!
Now hear me out just once:
Being a fan doesn't mean you know someone, trust me! The only ones that know him the way he REALLY is are his close friends and his family. That means you could be wrong, and I could be wrong, no need to call one another stupid or ridiculous.
If you don't like it here, you can leave. And BECAUSE I am the admin here, I am allowed to say that, whether you like it or not.
I don't mind people disagreeing, I just get pissed by people that can't behave in a respectful way, like you.
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This issue is very easy, never listen to their songs nor their messages. I know, for so many years ago no one will have to think about all this. :geek:
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@Souza,It is my opinion again,you seem to have a problem with people who don't agree with you.No one is bashing anyone, you are over reacting.You need to understand that not everyone is going to agree with you just because you are one of the Administers of this site.I have done my resaerch,and I know the true meaning of Billie Jean as well.Please understand I am a Michael Jackson fan for over 30 years,you can't tell me nothing about Michael Jackson that I don't already know,peace.
Now this could be interesting!
Now hear me out just once:
Being a fan doesn't mean you know someone, trust me! The only ones that know him the way he REALLY is are his close friends and his family. That means you could be wrong, and I could be wrong, no need to call one another stupid or ridiculous.
If you don't like it here, you can leave. And BECAUSE I am the admin here, I am allowed to say that, whether you like it or not.
I don't mind people disagreeing, I just get pissed by people that can't behave in a respectful way, like you.
I did not say I was a personal friend of Michael Jackson.Being a fan does mean you are right about him faking his death either.I did not call anyone stupid or ridiculous,and I don't need you to lie on me and put words in my mouth either.You being an ADMIN here does not make me change my thoughts or views.I simply said I have been a fan for 30 years and you STILL can't tell me nothing about Michael Jackson that I don't already know WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.If you are ADMIN on this site then you should have an open mind and stop taking it personal when someone does not agree with you.Are you using your ADMIN position as a scare tactic on this site?Because its not working for me if you are.You are really supposed top keep the peace not argue back and forth and add more to the confusion.We can agree to disagree,but don't throw your ADMIN postion in someone's face,because you may want them to think as you do.Some of us believe Michael is here and some of us believe otherwise,let us all have a difference of opinion without taking it to heart ,trust me I'm not going to lose any sleep,because you feel differently then I do about a post,peace.
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@Souza,It is my opinion again,you seem to have a problem with people who don't agree with you.No one is bashing anyone, you are over reacting.You need to understand that not everyone is going to agree with you just because you are one of the Administers of this site.I have done my resaerch,and I know the true meaning of Billie Jean as well.Please understand I am a Michael Jackson fan for over 30 years,you can't tell me nothing about Michael Jackson that I don't already know,peace.
Now this could be interesting!
Now hear me out just once:
Being a fan doesn't mean you know someone, trust me! The only ones that know him the way he REALLY is are his close friends and his family. That means you could be wrong, and I could be wrong, no need to call one another stupid or ridiculous.
If you don't like it here, you can leave. And BECAUSE I am the admin here, I am allowed to say that, whether you like it or not.
I don't mind people disagreeing, I just get pissed by people that can't behave in a respectful way, like you.
I did not say I was a personal friend of Michael Jackson.Being a fan does mean you are right about him faking his death either.I did not call anyone stupid or ridiculous,and I don't need you to lie on me and put words in my mouth either.You being an ADMIN here does not make me change my thoughts or views.I simply said I have been a fan for 30 years and you STILL can't tell me nothing about Michael Jackson that I don't already know WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.If you are ADMIN on this site then you should have an open mind and stop taking it personal when someone does not agree with you.Are you using your ADMIN position as a scare tactic on this site?Because its not working for me if you are.You are really supposed top keep the peace not argue back and forth and add more to the confusion.We can agree to disagree,but don't throw your ADMIN postion in someone's face,because you may want them to think as you do.Some of us believe Michael is here and some of us believe otherwise,let us all have a difference of opinion without taking it to heart ,trust me I'm not going to lose any sleep,because you feel differently then I do about a post,peace.
Being a fan for 30 years means you have an emotional barriere, something non-fans don't have.
I think I have proven to be VERY open minded, so that is no discussion here, YOU are the one closing your eyes.
Because I am admin here, does not mean I can't discuss on my own board. Thank you.
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Whhhaaaaaattteva,My WORD still stands,peace.
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@it is her,thank you for having my back,peace.
Likewise! and, You are welcome :)
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actually beat it doesnt make sense either because at one point he is like "just beat and it and run" then towards the end he is like saying just do it and not be scared...
[2nd Verse]
You Better Run, You Better Do What You Can
Don't Wanna See No Blood, Don't Be A Macho Man
You Wanna Be Tough, Better Do What You Can
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here he is saying run
[4th Verse]
You Have To Show Them That You're Really Not Scared
You're Playin' With Your Life, This Ain't No Truth Or Dare
They'll Kick You, Then They Beat You,
Then They'll Tell You It's Fair
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here is saying show them you not scared...but earlier he said not be macho and no he is saying be macho..this dont make sense...lol
Hello, this is a really interesting topic. Thank you Mo & Suza for starting it (sorry I've only registered today, I've been coming here since MJHD went down and love it).
I'd like to point out what could (ie. maybe) be the meaning of "you have to show them".
In English you can say things like: you have to be an idiot (don't you), you have to stuff yourself with cake (don't you), this means that the person has a compulsion over something (ie. can't stop/control it).
These two verses are not necessarily contradictory (but only Michael knows for sure what he meant).
[2nd Verse]
You Better Run, You Better Do What You Can
Don't Wanna See No Blood, Don't Be A Macho Man
You Wanna Be Tough, Better Do What You Can
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here he is saying run it does appear so
[4th Verse]
You Have To Show Them That You're Really Not Scared
You're Playin' With Your Life, This Ain't No Truth Or Dare
They'll Kick You, Then They Beat You,
Then They'll Tell You It's Fair
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here is saying show them you not scared...but earlier he said not be macho and no he is saying be macho..actually in the 2nd verse there are words: You wanna be tough - ie the guy wants to be.
The 4th verse: you have to show them that you're really not scared: ie. the guy doesn't want to appear a wimp - he wants to be macho.....it doesn't necessarily mean Michael is saying: Stand up to themthough like I said only he knows.
I hope you don't mind me pointing out that fact (ie. I am not critisising your understanding of English ;) )
If these two verses were Michael's advice to someone it could go like this: (again only Michael knows for sure and no criticism on your – or anyone else’s opinion)
[2nd Verse]
You had better get away from the gang (You Better Run, You Better Do What You Can)
I don't want to see you get hurt, you don't have to prove anything (Don't Wanna See No Blood, Don't Be A Macho Man)
I understand that you want to stand up for yourself, but it would be better to get away from them (You Wanna Be Tough, Better Do What You Can
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad)
[4th Verse]
I understand that you want/need to prove that you are not scared (You Have To Show Them That You're Really Not Scared)
Be careful what you are doing, it's not just words you can really get hurt and they'll think that you deserve it/it was their right to do it ....(You're Playin' With Your Life, This Ain't No Truth Or Dare
They'll Kick You, Then They Beat You,
Then They'll Tell You It's Fair)
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
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actually beat it doesnt make sense either because at one point he is like "just beat and it and run" then towards the end he is like saying just do it and not be scared...
[2nd Verse]
You Better Run, You Better Do What You Can
Don't Wanna See No Blood, Don't Be A Macho Man
You Wanna Be Tough, Better Do What You Can
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here he is saying run
[4th Verse]
You Have To Show Them That You're Really Not Scared
You're Playin' With Your Life, This Ain't No Truth Or Dare
They'll Kick You, Then They Beat You,
Then They'll Tell You It's Fair
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here is saying show them you not scared...but earlier he said not be macho and no he is saying be macho..this dont make sense...lol
Hello, this is a really interesting topic. Thank you Mo & Suza for starting it (sorry I've only registered today, I've been coming here since MJHD went down and love it).
I'd like to point out what could (ie. maybe) be the meaning of "you have to show them".
In English you can say things like: you have to be an idiot (don't you), you have to stuff yourself with cake (don't you), this means that the person has a compulsion over something (ie. can't stop/control it).
These two verses are not necessarily contradictory (but only Michael knows for sure what he meant).
[2nd Verse]
You Better Run, You Better Do What You Can
Don't Wanna See No Blood, Don't Be A Macho Man
You Wanna Be Tough, Better Do What You Can
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here he is saying run it does appear so
[4th Verse]
You Have To Show Them That You're Really Not Scared
You're Playin' With Your Life, This Ain't No Truth Or Dare
They'll Kick You, Then They Beat You,
Then They'll Tell You It's Fair
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
here is saying show them you not scared...but earlier he said not be macho and no he is saying be macho..actually in the 2nd verse there are words: You wanna be tough - ie the guy wants to be.
The 4th verse: you have to show them that you're really not scared: ie. the guy doesn't want to appear a wimp - he wants to be macho.....it doesn't necessarily mean Michael is saying: Stand up to themthough like I said only he knows.
I hope you don't mind me pointing out that fact (ie. I am not critisising your understanding of English ;) )
If these two verses were Michael's advice to someone it could go like this: (again only Michael knows for sure and no criticism on your – or anyone else’s opinion)
[2nd Verse]
You had better get away from the gang (You Better Run, You Better Do What You Can)
I don't want to see you get hurt, you don't have to prove anything (Don't Wanna See No Blood, Don't Be A Macho Man)
I understand that you want to stand up for yourself, but it would be better to get away from them (You Wanna Be Tough, Better Do What You Can
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad)
[4th Verse]
I understand that you want/need to prove that you are not scared (You Have To Show Them That You're Really Not Scared)
Be careful what you are doing, it's not just words you can really get hurt and they'll think that you deserve it/it was their right to do it ....(You're Playin' With Your Life, This Ain't No Truth Or Dare
They'll Kick You, Then They Beat You,
Then They'll Tell You It's Fair)
So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad
I think you are right---that's the way I took it, and I'm always right :o .
[KIDDING!!!]
I LIKED how you explained it with "(don't you)"---kind of a rhetorical question. The whole point is PEACE You want to be a man, but even if you "sure showed them", by not beating it out of there, how much of a man even EXISTS with the street wearing all his blood?
I KNOW I'm playing with it, when I make it sound like, "Run, Forest, RUN..." :lol: Maybe MJ didn't mean EXACTLY that. Maybe only: just get yourself smoothly out of it.
I also believe he went up WAY HIGHER : "beat" the urge to let others control your actions or even emotions. And beat the urge to fuel the fire THEY started.
[He's good. He's been reading his Scriptures. :idea: ;)
Follow after Peace.
Then, LEAD with Peace.
Live another day to affect Peace another day, perhaps when things cool down between you and them, or you both grow up another day...THIS is how you show them that you're "really not[/b]" scared (even tho you left the showdown last time, as if you were).
You nailed it. "you have to show them" , preceded by the understated, "I understand" (aaahhhh, words of PEACE!), meaning, "I understand you are compelled to save face, be brave, not give up ground, whatever worthy reason.
Tempers flare and wane.
It ultimately DOESN'T matter who's wrong or who's right if someone dies. Death takes you out of the loop, unless one is Jesus or a faker like Michael Jackson :!:
I love the absolute wisdom in this song. MJ is such a hopeful zealot. We could use more of those. I wish I had :oops: one of my very own... :)
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Wow, very, very good interpretation. :shock:
Michael did say he was completely absorbed while writing "Billie Jean." He didn't even notice his car was on fire, so if he was that delved into the song, I'm sure he was thinking hard.
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I would like to know if anyone has stripped "Heartbreak Hotel", if not where can I get the lyrics from, thank you
Essenceofebony0to9
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'unbreakable' - clips:
'...don't you ever make no mistake, baby i got what it takes...and there's no way you will ever get me...'
- he was always underestimated, nobody thought he would 'outthink' sony...
- tabloids moving on to destroy mj's image, but it won't phase him
'...you can't believe it, you can't conceive it...and you can't touch me, cause i'm untouchable...and i know you hate it, and you can't take it...you never break me, cause i'm unbreakable...'
- his fame is so extraordinary that people are mad and jealous about it
- tabloids trying to destroy his image have been unsuccessful to this day! pain in the a$$ for any tabloid! (sux, right??? :mrgreen: )
'...you've done your thing...and when you bury me underneath all your pain...i'm standing laughing...while surfacing...*
- tabloids etc. have given their all, they realize the mistake they made and leave him alone, meaning writing nice stuff for a change...and then - bam! :mrgreen:
'...no, not with what you do...i'm still gonna be there...'
- anything bad still written about mj is immediately destroyed, because his current image makes all that invalid anyway. and he is even loved more now.
rap-part (didn't get half of it, can someone with skillz plz help?):
'...disappearing acts...strictly not to match...copperfield material...street people, yes, that'll be my wagon...shut it down if i die...'
- this is what happened on june 25, 2009. the day mj disappeared. don't know what the 'shut it down' means, could refer to neverland, since he was still there at the time the album was done.
- strictly not to match is one of mj's general trademarks anyway...something the world has never seen, like an elaborate hoax such as this one! :mrgreen:
all cleverly hidden in a song that could easily portray the relationship to a woman...GENIUS!!! :mrgreen:
Found this today:
MIght be loaded with clues - I marked some of those i think might be important...
Unbrakable Rap
You can try to stop me, but it won't do a thing
No matter what you do, I'm still gonna be here
Through all your lies and silly games
I'm a still remain the same, I'm unbreakable
Rap: Notorious B.I.G.)
A lime to a lemon, my D.C. women
Bringin’ in ten G minimums to condos with elevators in ‘em
Vehicles with televisions in ‘em
Watch they entourage turn yours to just mirages
Disappearing acts, strictly nines and macs
Killers be serial, Copperfield material
My dreams is vivid, work hard to live it
Any place I visit, I got land there
How can players stand there and say I sound like them, hello
Push wigs back and push six Coupes that's yellow
Plus clips that expand from hand to elbow
Spray up your Day's Inn, any 'telle you in
Crack braggin’ sick of braggin’ how my mink be draggin’
Desert ease street sweeper inside the beamer wagon
I rely on Bed-Stuy to shut it down if I die
Put that on my diamond bezel, you're messin’ with the devil
WHAT!!
so - what do you all make of this?
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I heard Michael saying Billie Jean was for all those girls who go around claiming they've been with him or that they are in a relationship, which he didn't like, so supposedly this song is about that.
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'unbreakable' - clips:
'...don't you ever make no mistake, baby i got what it takes...and there's no way you will ever get me...'
- he was always underestimated, nobody thought he would 'outthink' sony...
- tabloids moving on to destroy mj's image, but it won't phase him
'...you can't believe it, you can't conceive it...and you can't touch me, cause i'm untouchable...and i know you hate it, and you can't take it...you never break me, cause i'm unbreakable...'
- his fame is so extraordinary that people are mad and jealous about it
- tabloids trying to destroy his image have been unsuccessful to this day! pain in the a$$ for any tabloid! (sux, right??? :mrgreen: )
'...you've done your thing...and when you bury me underneath all your pain...i'm standing laughing...while surfacing...*
- tabloids etc. have given their all, they realize the mistake they made and leave him alone, meaning writing nice stuff for a change...and then - bam! :mrgreen:
'...no, not with what you do...i'm still gonna be there...'
- anything bad still written about mj is immediately destroyed, because his current image makes all that invalid anyway. and he is even loved more now.
rap-part (didn't get half of it, can someone with skillz plz help?):
'...disappearing acts...strictly not to match...copperfield material...street people, yes, that'll be my wagon...shut it down if i die...'
- this is what happened on june 25, 2009. the day mj disappeared. don't know what the 'shut it down' means, could refer to neverland, since he was still there at the time the album was done.
- strictly not to match is one of mj's general trademarks anyway...something the world has never seen, like an elaborate hoax such as this one! :mrgreen:
all cleverly hidden in a song that could easily portray the relationship to a woman...GENIUS!!! :mrgreen:
Found this today:
MIght be loaded with clues - I marked some of those i think might be important...
Unbrakable Rap
You can try to stop me, but it won't do a thing
No matter what you do, I'm still gonna be here
Through all your lies and silly games
I'm a still remain the same, I'm unbreakable
Rap: Notorious B.I.G.)
A lime to a lemon, my D.C. women
Bringin’ in ten G minimums to condos with elevators in ‘em
Vehicles with televisions in ‘em
Watch they entourage turn yours to just mirages
Disappearing acts, strictly nines and macs
Killers be serial, Copperfield material
My dreams is vivid, work hard to live it
Any place I visit, I got land there
How can players stand there and say I sound like them, hello
Push wigs back and push six Coupes that's yellow
Plus clips that expand from hand to elbow
Spray up your Day's Inn, any 'telle you in
Crack braggin’ sick of braggin’ how my mink be draggin’
Desert ease street sweeper inside the beamer wagon
I rely on Bed-Stuy to shut it down if I die
Put that on my diamond bezel, you're messin’ with the devil
WHAT!!
so - what do you all make of this?
Watch the documentary Mr Untouchable look what happend to Tupac ( he was always talking about thugz)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaz-zdJ ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaz-zdJCYI&feature=related) check all parts
I don't believe Michael was not aware of this.
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this is interesting. i think we all talked about the darkest hour as being 3:00 am
She told my baby
We danced till three
And she looked at me
Then showed a photo
My baby cried
His eyes were like mine
Can we dance on the floor, in the round, babe
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this is interesting. i think we all talked about the darkest hour as being 3:00 am
She told my baby
We danced till three
And she looked at me
Then showed a photo
My baby cried
His eyes were like mine
Can we dance on the floor, in the round, babe
Mwah i disagree. He was singing about jealous chicks and one of them claimed having a kid from him. People are claiming everything when they are jealous or scared. Evil thoughts can pop-up.
3 am is the moment symbolising the hour of fear, the darkest thoughts running trough your mind. Look what Eminem wrote when he was in his darkest hour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyNqRX0FqTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyNqRX0FqTg)
Eminem and Michael have more in common than we might think.
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I agree with "Its her". The message is BEAT IT, literally. In interpreting MJ's songs, I think we should first look at what he said about them (in those cases where he actually said something)... Here's what Michael said about "Beat It" in his book "Moonwalk":
"<Beat It> was written with school kids in mind. [...] The lyrics of <Beat It> express something I would do if I were in trouble. Its message - that we should abhor violence - is something I believe deeply. It tells kids to be smart and avoid trouble. I don't mean to say you should turn the other cheek while someone kicks in your teeth, but, unless your back is against the wall and you have absolutely no choice, just get away before violence breaks out. If you fight and get killed, you've gained nothing and lost everything. You're the loser, and so are the people who love you. That's what <Beat It> is supposed to get across. To me true bravery is settling differences without a fight and having the wisdom to make that solution possible."
The video for "Beat It" used real gangs; here are MJ's words again:
"I had street gangs on my mind when I wrote <Beat It>, so we rounded up some of the toughest gangs in Los Angeles and put them to work on the video. It turned out to be a good idea, and a great experience for me. We had some rough kids on that set, tough kids, and they hadn't been to wardrobe. Those guys in the pool room in the first scene were serious; they were not actors. That stuff was real. [...] I've always wondered if they got the same message from the song that I did."
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The Magic escapism video creation got me looking at the Billy Jean video again, what a masterpiece. I tried to find a thread discussing Billy Jean but couldn't find one specifically, except it most probably was discussed way back in the hoax discussion. I know many of you are so much more acquainted with the nuances and details so I'm thinking you could put in your more knowledgable thoughts. Thanks!
[youtube:2hhb8ty8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_XLOBDo_Y[/youtube:2hhb8ty8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Jean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Jean)
Music video
Jackson landing on his toes and illuminating a tile in the music video for "Billie Jean".The short film for Jackson's "Billie Jean" is considered the video that brought MTV, a fairly new and unknown music channel, into mainstream attention. It was one of the first videos by a black artist to be aired regularly by the channel, as the network's executives felt black music wasn't "rock" enough.[29] Inspired in part by the film Somebody Up There Likes Me, and directed by Steve Barron, the video shows a photographer who follows Jackson. The paparazzo never catches the singer, and when photographed Jackson fails to materialise on the developed picture. The entertainer dances his way to Billie Jean's hotel room and as he walks along a sidewalk, each tile lights up at his touch.[29][30] After he performs a quick spin, Jackson jumps and lands, freeze framed, on his toes. Upon arrival at the hotel, Jackson climbs the staircase to Billie Jean's room. Each step lights up as he touches it and a burnt out "Hotel" sign illuminates as he passes. The paparazzo then arrives at the scene and watches as Jackson disappears under the covers of Billie Jean's bed. Trailed by the police, the paparazzo is then arrested for spying on Billie Jean.[29] Jackson sported a new look for the video; Jheri curled hair. Jackson's clothes, a black leather suit with a pink shirt and red bow tie, were copied by children around the US.[29] Imitation became so severe that, despite pupil protests, Bound Brook High School in New Jersey banned students from wearing a single white glove like Jackson had on during the performance of "Billie Jean" at Motown 25: Yesterday, Today, Forever.[31][32][33]
Billy Jean was released as a single on Jan. 2, 1983, a month later than Thriller on Dec. 1, 1982. It's fame contributed to increasing the fame of Thriller. Quincy Jones fought with MJ on content of BJ, but MJ insisted in his usual stubborn way, and good thing. :lol: :D What drew me there of course is the bedroom scene, which connects to the TII bed of Dirty Diana, the Illusion that MJ told KO on June 24,09 that they were going to do the next day, where the woman arial dancer would tie MJ (but a standin or double!!!)to the bed, and then MJ would appear elsewhere in the cherry picker as magic. So here's some of my observations.
-At the beginning and the end the billboard shows a guy that looks like Kojak, remember the Jak Ko hoax pic?
-It appears to be only an illusion that MJ climbs into the bed with the shape of BJ, because his shape just vanishes, drawing the comparison to the current MJ dying in bed but all evidence and pics seem to disappear in their inconsistencies and ridiculousness of the preliminaries and trial.
-The name of the billboard with supposedly BJ says rather Louisa, who is that? Lisa, with O and U out?
-Paparozzi think they have MJ photographed and revealed but it's all just illusions that disappear.
-Everything MJ touches turns to light, alive, magic. Everything becomes part of the hoax, movies, music, etc.
-There is garbage blowing everywhere. Garbage cans everywhere in the hoax.
-The throwing of the coin, also in his songs SIM, and SC. Here showing again MJ's compassion for the poor and wanting to help heal and transform the world with his love and magic.
-MJ can morph and change at will to invisible, to a tiger, in the hoax to disguise as other characters.
-Police are involved, arresting the pap, but maybe protecting MJ? Are the authorities helping in the hoax?
-Ads in the billboard come to life showing BJ (or Louisa) and the bedroom near the end, before reverting back to Kojak. In the hoax we have certainly noticed advertizing and movies seeming to be directed behind the scene by MJ.
-He and the Pap are on a long road (not yellow brick road) but is it the road of life. MJ's been planning this hoax then for 27 years, if BJ is showing us hoax details planned ahead of time, just as Thriller did a month earlier with obvious connections to the MJ Thriller 2, and TII.
-The old lady in the window could represent the public or media who are horrified at MJ and the pap and call the police. Today are the public/media just gullibly seeing everything without understanding.
-MJ shushes the old lady/the public/media, hoax media control perhaps.
-MJ watches, observes quietly everything happening with the pap. In this hoax MJ appears to be involved perhaps as TS, TMZ, media such as Oprah, TR, TP, etc. We think he has been visiting this site although we can never tell for sure as who, because of the existence of so many tricksters and trolls. They make an ideal cover for him.
-There could be an MJ double that is the one climbing into the bed of BJ, because he looks like MJ but is dressed into different colored clothes and the face is blurry and shown too quickly to see clearly (illusion). In this hoax we know doubles or impersonators have played their part, the actual extent of course is very controversial.
Well that's all that jumped out at me. Sorry that's the best I could do. But I know there is much more. I have to go to work now, but I might add to this. Thanks for reading. :) How that boy intrigues me, without end, more each day! :shock: :D 8-)
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[youtube:3f3phx73]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXqEoxxWxh8[/youtube:3f3phx73]
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Michael said there is truth Billie Jean. One thing I do not understand about 1/27/11?
at a point he says that the baby has his eyes. Can it be he is talking about Omar Bhatti?
Just speculating.
here are the lyrics
"Billie Jean"
[1st Verse]
She Was More Like A Beauty Queen From A Movie Scene
I Said Don't Mind, But What Do You Mean I Am The One
Who Will Dance On The Floor In The Round
She Said I Am The One Who Will Dance On The Floor In The Round
[2nd Verse]
She Told Me Her Name Was Billie Jean, As She Caused A Scene
Then Every Head Turned With Eyes That Dreamed Of Being The One
Who Will Dance On The Floor In The Round
[Bridge]
People Always Told Me Be Careful Of What You Do
And Don't Go Around Breaking Young Girls' Hearts
And Mother Always Told Me Be Careful Of Who You Love
And Be Careful Of What You Do 'Cause The Lie Becomes The Truth
[Chorus]
Billie Jean Is Not My Lover
She's Just A Girl Who Claims That I Am The One
But The Kid Is Not My Son
She Says I Am The One, But The Kid Is Not My Son
[3rd Verse]
For Forty Days And Forty Nights
The Law was on her Side
But Who Can Stand When She's In Demand
Her Schemes And Plans
'Cause We Danced On The Floor In The Round
So Take My Strong Advice, Just Remember To Always Think Twice
Do think Twice
[4th Verse]
She Told My Baby We'd Danced 'Till Three
Then She Looked At Me
She Showed A Photo Of A Baby Crying
His Eyes Looked Like Mine
Go On Dance On The Floor In The Round, Baby
[Bridge]
People Always Told Me Be Careful Of What You Do
And Don't Go Around Breaking Young Girls' Hearts
She Came And Stood Right By Me
Then The Smell Of Sweet Perfume
This Happened Much Too Soon
She Called Me To Her Room
[Chorus]
Billie Jean Is Not My Lover
She's Just A Girl Who Claims That I Am The One
But The Kid Is Not My Son
Billie Jean Is Not My Lover
She's Just A Girl Who Claims That I Am The One
But The Kid Is Not My Son
She Says I Am The One, But The Kid Is Not My Son
She Says I Am The One, But The Kid Is Not My Son
Billie Jean Is Not My Lover
She's Just A Girl Who Claims That I Am The One
But The Kid Is Not My Son
She Says I Am The One, But The Kid Is Not My Son
She Says I Am The One, She Says He Is My Son
She Says I Am The One
Billie Jean Is Not My Lover
Billie Jean Is Not My Lover
Billie Jean Is Not My Lover
Billie Jean Is Not My Lover
Billie Jean Is Not My Lover
Billie Jean Is Not My Lover
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When I read the lyrics of BJ again, I thought of something else. I do not think the kid he sings about is his son. He says it's not his son, so I really think that it's not. Nowhere in the song we get to know how old the picture was that was shown, so who says the baby is still a baby? Maybe the baby on the picture has his eyes simply because they are related, or because they look alike. A brother or a doppelganger. Everyone has one, so they say, so why not MJ?
The lyrics also makes me think that the guy who is shown the picture is NOT MJ.
She Was More Like A Beauty Queen From A Movie Scene
Mike was used to people around him looking like beauty queens from a young age already, so why from a movie scene?
I Said Don't Mind, But What Do You Mean I Am The One
Who Will Dance On The Floor In The Round
She Said I Am The One Who Will Dance On The Floor In The Round
He already did, so that makes no sense either.
So who did Billie Jean show the picture to? Not MJ in my opinion. Billie Jean is one of my favorites, but I have always had a hard time understanding the lyrics. Now it seems like it's about someone who was tricked into doing something he regrets later. This really is a hard one and if anything, i hope we will once hear the true meaning of the song from the horse's mouth.[/color]
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This verses
She Told My Baby We'd Danced 'Till Three
Then She Looked At Me
She Showed A Photo Of A Baby Crying
His Eyes Looked Like Mine
Go On Dance On The Floor In The Round, Baby
I understood as Billie Jean is not his lover because Billie Jean is his mother, the baby is not his son because the baby is himself.
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This verses
She Told My Baby We'd Danced 'Till Three
Then She Looked At Me
She Showed A Photo Of A Baby Crying
His Eyes Looked Like Mine
Go On Dance On The Floor In The Round, Baby
I understood as Billie Jean is not his lover because Billie Jean is his mother, the baby is not his son because the baby is himself.
More reason to believe the guy is not MJ.
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This verses
She Told My Baby We'd Danced 'Till Three
Then She Looked At Me
She Showed A Photo Of A Baby Crying
His Eyes Looked Like Mine
Go On Dance On The Floor In The Round, Baby
I understood as Billie Jean is not his lover because Billie Jean is his mother, the baby is not his son because the baby is himself.
More reason to believe the guy is not MJ.
I see it in another way.
Joe may be having a baby with a woman outside his marriage, that woman approaching Michael telling him "I am the mother of your half brother", the kid is not your son, is your brother and looks just like you.
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Should we look at the background of the song?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_jean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_jean)
--reason
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Obviously, we are analyzing the lyrics from another perspective beyond of what producers or Michael wanted to tell us.
And Mother Always Told Me Be Careful Of Who You Love
And Be Careful Of What You Do 'Cause The Lie Becomes The Truth
Mother saying "Be careful who you love", as an advice to her son of who to love, cause may be she loved someone who turned to be unfaitful.
Careful of what you do, cause the lie becomes the truth: When infidelity happens in a relation, usually denial is a big sign "It never happened"...that lie, becomes the truth as soon as the fruit of the infidelity shows up....the baby....
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Jackson biographer J. Randy Taraborrelli promoted the theory that "Billie Jean" was derived from a real life experience the singer faced in 1981. The Magic & The Madness documents how a young woman wrote Jackson a letter, which informed the singer that he was the father of one of her twins.
:shock: , one, just one? how come?
To his mother's dismay, Jackson had the photograph of the woman framed and hung above the dining room table of their family home. Afterward, the Jacksons discovered that the female fan had been sent to a psychiatric hospital.[5]
:shock:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_jean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_jean)
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Jackson biographer J. Randy Taraborrelli promoted the theory that "Billie Jean" was derived from a real life experience the singer faced in 1981. The Magic & The Madness documents how a young woman wrote Jackson a letter, which informed the singer that he was the father of one of her twins.
:shock: , one, just one? how come?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You know, as crazy as it may seem, after 19 months in MJ-land I DO believe he received a letter like that, and not JUST ONE.
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Following the letters, Jackson received a parcel containing a photograph of the fan, as well as a letter and a gun. Jackson was horrified—the letter asked that the pop singer kill himself on a certain day and at a specific time. The fan would do the same once she had killed their baby. She wrote that if they could not be together in this life, then they would be in the next.
Why would he put her picture on the wall of the dinning room if he says he is not the father of the child(TWIN). How can he be the father of one of her twin?? My cousin has twins and those twins have only one father not 2.. DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
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More Billie Jeans? :shock:
This one worries me:
http://www.myspace.com/clairecruise/blog (http://www.myspace.com/clairecruise/blog)
Her blogs are a bit disturbing.
And well, now we know what happened to Michael.....
I AM LEGALLY MARRIED TO MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON, I AND AM THE SOLE BIOLOGICAL MOTHER OF ALL THREE JACKSON CHILDREN.
WHEN MY LEGAL HUSBAND, MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON, I, WAS INFORMED THAT CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH CAPUTO OF FORTRESS GROUP, INC./FORTRESS INVESTMENT AND I HAD SUCCESSFULLY BECOME OFFICIALLY ENGAGED ON THURSDAY MORNING, JUNE 25, 2009, MICHAEL TOOK HIS OWN LIFE... NOT BECAUSE HE WAS UPSET OVER OUR ENGAGEMENT, BUT BECAUSE HE THOROUGHLY APPROVED OUR ENGAGEMENT DUE TO CHRIS BEING THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF MICHAEL'S SON, BLANKET, CAUSING MICHAEL TO FEEL FREE TO DIE AS HE PLANNED.
End of the hoax folks.
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More;
AFTERWARDS, A JOYFUL MICHAEL TOLD ME THAT I MADE HIM THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE... ESPECIALLY AFTER I APPROVED HIS PURCHASE OF MY HALF OF THE BEATLES CATALOG AND ALLOWED HIM TO CONTINUE TO TAKE CREDIT FOR ALL MY SONGS THAT HE WOULD RECORD AND/OR PERFORM.
Wow :shock:
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No, Claire Cruise is hilarious! Haven't you seen her at that hearing outside with TMZ live? Man I needed diapers, that was truly one of the most ridiculous persons I have ever seen in my life! No way she'd for real. She had a story about her eggs being stolen, kids, MJ, aliens I think. Can't remember and I don't think TMZ has the complete video up, but I really wet my pants that day.
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Ha, found her!
Woman -- MJ Took My Baby, Gave to Tom Cruise (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/woman-mj-took-my-baby-gave-to-tom-cruise/)
8/10/2009 10:50 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
In one of the wildest court pressers ever, Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise, the woman who claims to be the biological mother of MJ's kids, just said Michael Jackson is the biological father of one of Tom Cruise's children!
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/08/10/0810_cruise_tmz_video-1.jpg) (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=c21c39e3-51d9-4b70-9895-934828ba1e06)
Among other completely sane accusations, Claire alleges Connor Cruise is her son with Jackson -- but they gave him to Tom and then-wife Nicole Kidman because MJ "did not want his own child because of the color of his skin."
Claire also claims she conceived Jackson's three children with three different men -- none of them Michael -- and the embryos were "safely removed" from her body and given to surrogates to carry to term.
In related news, unicorns are real.
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And more:
Bio Dad #2 -- MJ Baby Mama Is 'Crazy' (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/michael-jackson-claire-elisabeth-fields-cruise-paternity/)
8/10/2009 12:56 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
The parents of another man Claire Elisabeth Fields Cruise named in today's wacked out press conference say their son, Christopher Caputo, did once date the "unstable" woman -- but it's "totally impossible" for him to be the father of any of Michael Jackson's children.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/08/10/0810_cruise_ex.jpg)
Caputo's 'rents tell TMZ the two dated when Chris was 16-years-old. They believe Cruise had "mental issues" back then and was "fixated" on their son.
Chris is now 44 and he hasn't spoken to Cruise since high school.
FYI -- On her MySpace, Fields also says she's the "biological mother" of Brad Pitt, all his children, Gisele Bundchen, Leo DiCaprio, Anna Nicole Smith ... and she ran for President in 2008.
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This is sad, for her and for Michael.
I am thinking about "Jackson had the photograph of the woman framed and hung above the dining room table of their family home". I think that it was a warning, in case the woman would come close by, the family would know her face.
This leads me to think about some comments of Karen Faye about Sam De Gosson. She said that Michael had a pic of her on his mirror, hers and other "fans".
Michael taking pics of "Billie Jeans"to be safe and away from them?
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I don't know if I have to LAUGH :lol: OR CRY :cry: My God people have nothing better to do with their lives. Oh boy she has issues. Maybe I can send her my business card so she can contact me and help her with a good therapie. First of all to be true to herself. Blessings my friends
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She is being true to herself. She believes all that she is telling.
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This is sad, for her and for Michael.
I am thinking about "Jackson had the photograph of the woman framed and hung above the dining room table of their family home". I think that it was a warning, in case the woman would come close by, the family would know her face.
This leads me to think about some comments of Karen Faye about Sam De Gosson. She said that Michael had a pic of her on his mirror, hers and other "fans".
Michael taking pics of "Billie Jeans"to be safe and away from them?
Neverland, a toytown wilderness of carnival rides and doll houses and zoo animals and pleasure gardens, lay inside a magnificent gateway on a side road in a rural area beyond Santa Barbara. Nosing around, I saw pinned to the wall of the sentry post an array of strange faces, some of them mugshots, all of them undesirables, with names and captions such as "Believes she is married to Mr Jackson" and "Might be armed" and "Has been loitering near gate".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5664 ... eroux.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5664968/My-trip-to-Neverland-and-the-call-from-Michael-Jackson-Ill-never-forget-by-Paul-Theroux.html)
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Michael said there is truth Billie Jean. One thing I do not understand about 1/27/11?
at a point he says that the baby has his eyes. Can it be he is talking about Omar Bhatti?
Just speculating.
This song was written a few years before Omer was born so it can't be about him.
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Michael said there is truth Billie Jean. One thing I do not understand about 1/27/11?
at a point he says that the baby has his eyes. Can it be he is talking about Omar Bhatti?
Just speculating.
This song was written a few years before Omer was born so it can't be about him.
exactly, you are right. So erase this possibility. :lol:
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I had checked if there was a Billie Jean thread and hadn't seen this one, so I had started a thread on this song video.
If you're interested to check out my comparisons of it to the hoax here it is:
viewtopic.php?f=89&t=17338&p=295903#p295903 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=17338&p=295903#p295903)
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I had checked if there was a Billie Jean thread and hadn't seen this one, so I had started a thread on this song video.
If you're interested to check out my comparisons of it to the hoax here it is:
viewtopic.php?f=89&t=17338&p=295903#p295903 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=17338&p=295903#p295903)
I merged the two topics.
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This is sad, for her and for Michael.
I am thinking about "Jackson had the photograph of the woman framed and hung above the dining room table of their family home". I think that it was a warning, in case the woman would come close by, the family would know her face.
This leads me to think about some comments of Karen Faye about Sam De Gosson. She said that Michael had a pic of her on his mirror, hers and other "fans".
Michael taking pics of "Billie Jeans"to be safe and away from them?
Neverland, a toytown wilderness of carnival rides and doll houses and zoo animals and pleasure gardens, lay inside a magnificent gateway on a side road in a rural area beyond Santa Barbara. Nosing around, I saw pinned to the wall of the sentry post an array of strange faces, some of them mugshots, all of them undesirables, with names and captions such as "Believes she is married to Mr Jackson" and "Might be armed" and "Has been loitering near gate".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5664 ... eroux.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5664968/My-trip-to-Neverland-and-the-call-from-Michael-Jackson-Ill-never-forget-by-Paul-Theroux.html)
Curious.
I saw a pic were Michael has the picture of a black haired girl (i think he is wearing a green jacket)
I get the impression that Michael was fearing his fans to the core :?
I wonder in what rank are we listed in his agenda :?
(BTW, he is the father of one of my triplets...just one,eeehhhh!)
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This is sad, for her and for Michael.
I am thinking about "Jackson had the photograph of the woman framed and hung above the dining room table of their family home". I think that it was a warning, in case the woman would come close by, the family would know her face.
This leads me to think about some comments of Karen Faye about Sam De Gosson. She said that Michael had a pic of her on his mirror, hers and other "fans".
Michael taking pics of "Billie Jeans"to be safe and away from them?
Neverland, a toytown wilderness of carnival rides and doll houses and zoo animals and pleasure gardens, lay inside a magnificent gateway on a side road in a rural area beyond Santa Barbara. Nosing around, I saw pinned to the wall of the sentry post an array of strange faces, some of them mugshots, all of them undesirables, with names and captions such as "Believes she is married to Mr Jackson" and "Might be armed" and "Has been loitering near gate".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5664 ... eroux.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5664968/My-trip-to-Neverland-and-the-call-from-Michael-Jackson-Ill-never-forget-by-Paul-Theroux.html)
Curious.
I saw a pic were Michael has the picture of a black haired girl (i think he is wearing a green jacket)
I get the impression that Michael was fearing his fans to the core :?
I wonder in what rank are we listed in his agenda :?
(BTW, he is the father of one of my triplets...just one,eeehhhh!)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You are too funny. just one the only one.
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Well, I had once a dream in which Michael was having pics of many people, me/ mine included :lol: Now I get it :lol: :lol:
( I posted that dream in the visions thread somewhere :lol: )
Some of us should be his worst nitemare :lol:
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I agree that Billie Jean is a reference to the world, but mainly the media. When he says she is a “beauty queen from a movie scene” it could be since the media portrays Hollywood as being all glitz and glamour he was enticed or “seduced” to make his dreams come true through his career.
“But you came and stood right by me
Just a smell of sweet perfume
This happened much too soon
She called me to her room”
The media “chose him” to be the center all of their focus and at one time everyone in society looked at him and wanted to be him. His family and friends warned him to be careful because they have a way of making lies seem like the truth.
For awhile he was on their side but they are not his “lover” meaning they did not help produce his career or “his baby”. They started reporting on false allegations hurting his career and they knew what they were doing. It’s very sad. It broke his heart too.
“My baby cried
His eyes were like mine”
“You know what you did
She says he is my son
Breaking my heart, babe”
He also refers to Billie Jean in “Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’”
“Billie Jean Is Always Talkin'
When Nobody Else Is Talkin'
Tellin' Lies And Rubbin' Shoulders”