Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The Death Certificate, The Autopsy Report & The Will => After June 25, 2009 => Michael's Death Certificate => Topic started by: pollyanna on December 25, 2009, 10:48:22 AM
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http://www.etonline.com/documents/et_mj ... 090901.pdf (http://www.etonline.com/documents/et_mjackson_ammended_deathcertificate_090901.pdf)
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What does this mean? What was amended? I don't see anything new added... :?
Here's the one I'm looking at:http://www2.tbo.com/exposure/full/2009/07/07/5996_michael-jackson-death-certificate.jpg
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its the second page.. where it says deffered.. theres a colume at the side with the ammended details and it includes HOMICIDE
so should someone be arrested for this.. :shock:
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I've never seen this before, and I don't know what to think... It gives me not a good feeling at all.
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I've never seen this before, and I don't know what to think... It gives me not a good feeling at all.
my thoughts exactly!! :( i feel like things are coming to an end.. seems to be more negative stuff lately.. :(
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Six months further now, and (except for the beginning) I've been a believer all the time. I still believe, don't get me wrong, but a part of me keeps saying that there is a chance that he really has died... And things like this admended dc are having a bad influence on my faith...
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But they say there are six death certificates out there why so many. I think he is still alive
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Any DC is invalid if the person is alive :} So I wouldn't pay much attention to this piece of paper.
K.
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its the second page.. where it says deffered.. theres a colume at the side with the ammended details and it includes HOMICIDE
so should someone be arrested for this.. :shock:
My thoughts exactly.. but what do we have instead? Dr Murray happily back at work and making money off MJ by signing a TV deal. :o
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Any DC is invalid if the person is alive :} So I wouldn't pay much attention to this piece of paper.
K.
i am with you here mj is not dead keep the faith
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To my understanding this is only an interim death cert not the official copy. If the cause of "death" was not established within reasonable certainty it is marked as "deferred", is there a DC floating around without this?
How can it be a homicide without any arrests? This is so confusing!
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this is why i'm confused!! i read on another thread that you cannot fake a death certificate!!
now i think you probably could.. when you think about the mafia etc etc.. not that i'm saying their involved.. god no.. but to have a signature and the stamp on the bottom.. i'm not sure..
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its the second page.. where it says deffered.. theres a colume at the side with the ammended details and it includes HOMICIDE
so should someone be arrested for this.. :shock:
mmm... this is amended DC as of 1 September. And at that time i remember it was ruled as homicide by LAPD, that's why we all were expecting Murray to be arrested. But later, out of the blue, it was ruled as MANSLAUGHTER and investigation went on (btw, there is an option Pending investigation in the DC, they could as well choose that one). And we all know about the famous resignation of Chief Bratton. Something happened around that time, but seriously could they just go like "Oh sh*t, we ruled it homicide too quickly, let's do some investigation fist!" How amateur would be that??
And yes, you sure can fake a DC! It can also be amended within 3 years after it's issued:
http://www.deathreference.com/Da-Em/Dea ... icate.html (http://www.deathreference.com/Da-Em/Death-Certificate.html)
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Well, I think this DC is a pure fake, look at the name, it says the death is a homicide but none is arrested yet, Latoya said that she signed the DC, a DC can be faked, This is an evidence... BUT, if this is not a fake, if this is the real Michael's death certificate, it means we are all stupids :| But I don't think so :D
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not sure if this have been post but i can not upload picture to show, on mj DC the box where it says "date of last seen alive" is not filled, but on patrick swayze it is filled
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hi bad girl, is this what you mean???? pretty good find imo, i've checked patrick swayzes and that box is definetly filled in, i mean if he "died" 25th june shouldn't the box be filled in as such??????[attachment=0:17gsmn4w]5996_michael-jackson-death-certificate[1] (2).jpg[/attachment:17gsmn4w]
i've had to slice it considerably as the original size was way too big, but wow this is huge, am now looking for patrick's swayze's to do the same, stay tuned
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Things like this do make me doubt. But it makes no sense why Murray is still a free man.
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so this is patrick swayze death certificate, it is clearly filled in that he was last seen alive on 14th september, wow really bad girl great find!!!!!!!![attachment=0:236ezei8]Swayze_Death_Cert2[1].jpg[/attachment:236ezei8]
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so this is patrick swayze death certificate, it is clearly filled in that he was last seen alive on 14th september, wow really bad girl great find!!!!!!!![attachment=0:1a1fm543]Swayze_Death_Cert2[1].jpg[/attachment:1a1fm543]
Maybe because Patrick Swayze spent his last moments with his family and the family was at his side when it happened. So they could say for sure.
In MJ case that was allegedly dr Murray who was the last to see MJ alive. And it is the man who refused to sight the DC and fleed the hospital the moment MJ was pronounced dead... so they didn't have a reliable source to fill that gap. IMO
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so this is patrick swayze death certificate, it is clearly filled in that he was last seen alive on 14th september, wow really bad girl great find!!!!!!!![attachment=0:2wvjnd3n]Swayze_Death_Cert2[1].jpg[/attachment:2wvjnd3n]
Maybe because Patrick Swayze spent his last moments with his family and the family was at his side when it happened. So they could say for sure.
In MJ case that was allegedly dr Murray who was the last to see MJ alive. And it is the man who refused to sight the DC and fleed the hospital the moment MJ was pronounced dead... so they didn't have a reliable source to fill that gap. IMO[/quo
surely they can say if he died on THAT DAY or not???????so date of last seen alive should have been fillled in as june 25
i mean we're talking hours here not days or weeks or months...
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surely they can say if he died on THAT DAY or not???????so date of last seen alive should have been fillled in as june 25
i mean we're talking hours here not days or weeks or months...
i totally agree on that, but red tape can be really absurd sometimes. We are not sure of the DC procedures in that particular hospital, are we? who's filling it in? hospital stuff. who's providing the info - LaToya. Perhaps they need an eye witness... actually that raises the question was MJ ALIVE upon arrival of the paramedics (if we leave the hoax aside and look at te official version).
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surely they can say if he died on THAT DAY or not???????so date of last seen alive should have been fillled in as june 25
i mean we're talking hours here not days or weeks or months...
i totally agree on that, but red tape can be really absurd sometimes. We are not sure of the DC procedures in that particular hospital, are we? who's filling it in? hospital stuff. who's providing the info - LaToya. Perhaps they need an eye witness... actually that raises the question was MJ ALIVE upon arrival of the paramedics (if we leave the hoax aside and look at te official version).
this is what i'm saying: the dc is not filled in for the DATE of last seen alive not the TIME
so basically if we go with the version of mj being dead then according to the dc they did not fill it in because they don't know if he even died on that day???
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this is what i'm saying: the dc is not filled in for the DATE of last seen alive not the TIME
so basically if we go with the version of mj being dead then according to the dc they did not fill it in because they don't know if he even died on that day???
Mind-blowing, isn't it? Unless something happened in the night and Murray found him only in the morning when nothing could be done, in which case it's really hard to extablish the exact date. It's actually interesting, because they could have filled in June 24 when there were sure witnesses of MJ being alive and well. So either they need to be 100% factual (and if Murray didn't cooperate it makes sense), or they were afraid to raise more questions.
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yes that's why i wanted to post the pictures, they could have filled in the date in, but of course they didn't because he is not dead at all!!!! :lol:
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If anyone remembers he was at rehearsals until after midnight so he was seen on the 25th so the date should have been filled in as Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega were just 2 people who saw him on the 25th
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If anyone remembers he was at rehearsals until after midnight so he was seen on the 25th so the date should have been filled in as Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega were just 2 people who saw him on the 25th
Exactly
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Ok I was looking at the death certificates The one I posted and the one that Secretdove posted the address on hers saids under Decedents Residence 4641 Hayvenhurst Avenue. I thought he lived at 100 N Carolwood dr
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so this is patrick swayze death certificate, it is clearly filled in that he was last seen alive on 14th september, wow really bad girl great find!!!!!!!![attachment=0:jrxqegt3]Swayze_Death_Cert2[1].jpg[/attachment:jrxqegt3]
Maybe because Patrick Swayze spent his last moments with his family and the family was at his side when it happened. So they could say for sure.
In MJ case that was allegedly dr Murray who was the last to see MJ alive. And it is the man who refused to sight the DC and fleed the hospital the moment MJ was pronounced dead... so they didn't have a reliable source to fill that gap. IMO
saw what you wrote right away and didn't take time to see if anyone else wrote the same thing, his chef saw him! Anyone can vouch for that especially employees I am sure...His children as well....hmmmmm!
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So place of final disposition is in Forest Lawn dated on 7.7.2009...When the public memorial service was. His family was a half hour before the public memoril service started at Forest Lawn...for what, for the coffin? And where were they after the public memorial service?
And when was published that he has find his final rest at Forest Lawn... supposedly on September 3rd. They couldn´t show everything because the family controlled everything. So who is making fun of us...The family the media...don´t let fool you!
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So place of final disposition is in Forest Lawn dated on 7.7.2009...When the public memorial service was. His family was a half hour before the public memoril service started at Forest Lawn...for what, for the coffin? And where were they after the public memorial service?
And when was published that he has find his final rest at Forest Lawn... supposedly on September 3rd. They couldn´t show everything because the family controlled everything. So who is making fun of us...The family the media...don´t let fool you!
I was just thinking.. The family went away right after the funeral on sep 3, they didn't go to his 'committal', right?
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So place of final disposition is in Forest Lawn dated on 7.7.2009...When the public memorial service was. His family was a half hour before the public memoril service started at Forest Lawn...for what, for the coffin? And where were they after the public memorial service?
And when was published that he has find his final rest at Forest Lawn... supposedly on September 3rd. They couldn´t show everything because the family controlled everything. So who is making fun of us...The family the media...don´t let fool you!
I was just thinking.. The family went away right after the funeral on sep 3, they didn't go to his 'committal', right?
Hm, this is a good point, I do not know exactly. But what did they after the public memorial service? In the media was mentioned that Michael maybe will after that buried, but they told us a different story. And some people think that there were two "funerals", but I do not know really why. One argumentation was because there are not so many chairs in one video in comparison to another, but they could just put more chairs out when more people arrived, they just did not know how many people would come. I do not know whether I remember it right...
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Maybe they didn't go because he was already buried on the same day as the memorial? And then they 'staged' a second burial on sep 3. So we saw 2 different burials.
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In the State of California, authorized copies of vital records can only be obtained by the individual named on the record, parents of the individual named on the record, and certain other individuals or entities specified in law. All other requestors can only obtain informational copies. All copies issued are “certified copies.”
I mean, what if the real DC didn't even exist to begin with ,sound crazy but...
What we see is "informational" meaning it's not official and valid DC
So maybe the real one(valid) don't exist
I know it sound a little crazy but what do you think ?
If Departement of Health something , know something of course they can release a DC to the Public , but that doesn't mean that Michael really died.
Check out this :
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/birthdea ... cords.aspx (http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/birthdeathmar/Pages/CertifiedCopiesofBirthDeathRecords.aspx)
You can ask for a death certificate !
For a certified one , you have to pay 12$ and tell certains informations
but for the "informational" one (our DC) you don't have to pay anything and I highly doubt that they verify if this is truthful !
I don't know if it help but it seem quite easy to obtain thoses.
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new certificate has just been published again today, here is the link
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/66 ... icide.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/667950/Michael-Jackson-death-certificate-rules-homicide.html)
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one thing I noticed on the amended cerificate is that is states Los Angeles as the County as well as the city. I dont know California all that well, so is Los Angeles also a county in the city of Los Angeles. It's late and I have to work tomorrow. If no one knows I will look it up tomorrow. I am very sleepy. Good night all.
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So what?, Name is Joseph, recalled to FBI documents :lol:
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Yes, Los Angeles IS a county AND a city.
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Posting pictures of a dead Michael Jackson would still not be enough,some people would still say its not him.All though I may lean more towards Michael being gone,I don't want to see him in a coffin,I don't want to remember him that way.