Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Welcome! => Messages to Michael => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on January 18, 2012, 11:12:29 PM
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I get a lot of crazy shit in my mailboax, many desperate women asking me to forward their messages to Michael (as if I would know how) including (sometimes naked) pictures and I never post them, because I would be posting messages to Michael every day and I actually feel kinda sorry for these women. But this one is SO INSANE, that I HAD to post it. If the author of this email reads this: please get help! I am worried about your mental health.
Anyway, Michael, the request is if you could please go to the light as the lady suggests and stop herrassing those women. Don't shoot the messenger...
To whom this may concern:
Michael needs to cross over as he is earthbound. He is deceased and confused. These women are not lying, however they have been affected by Michael's desire to stay earthbound. Michael does visit lots of women and uses sex for energy to stay earthbound. I have been trying to get him to properly cross over for a year now.
Please stop the death hoax stuff and others have to stop feeding his desires. What all of you are doing is wrong and the others too. I remain private because I don't want to be a part of this nonsense and frenzy. He has been visiting me for over a year and "no" it has not been a pleasant experience. This is why he can't see the light. Earthbounds become nasty, resentful and do things that they wouldn't do in life. Feel sorry for the young women who fall for his romance line because they are being used for energy. He is hard to turn away and once you've been bitten by the romance crap he does not leave.
Please help Michael go to heaven where he should be becauese earthbounds put themselves in hell the longer they stay here.
I am middle aged, a Christian woman and not delusional. He really needs to see light and forget the material world, however fans who keep allowing this nonsense at HIS request and put stuff on youtube for him, are feeding his desire to stay here. And death hoax stuff too.
These women are victims...not Michael.
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im speechless
you know i have a friend who drives a cab
and he tells me some seriously off the wall stories
and half the time i dont believe him, i think he makes them up
im like oh yeah ok sure people are really that crazy
sureeeee
and then i read THAT
see in real life i tend to live in this little bubble of NO PUBLIC
and i don't dislike it that way
but im realizing i may be quite sheltered
no one could make that shit up
who is she doing that she thinks is MJ is what i wonder
and does she just pretend or does he say he is?
or both
freaky
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;D Oh well hell... Michael you are welcomed to use me for energy anytime, darling dear. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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im speechless
who is she doing that she thinks is MJ is what i wonder
and does she just pretend or does he say he is?
or both
freaky
:lol: that's what I was wondering
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I am middle aged, a Christian woman and not delusional.
:?
Now family, don't jump to conclusions and think this is me cause the description fits. I can assure everyone that I am in no way engaging in ghostly 'relations' with MJ. [I am being facetious BTW just in case anybody could take this seriously.
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He is hard to turn away and once you've been bitten by the romance crap he does not leave.
He sounds like a vampire!
RK and Bec, :lol:
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I'm sorry...was I called young?
/woohoo/
:lol:
:shock:
:roll:
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I am middle aged, a Christian woman and not delusional.
:?
Now family, don't jump to conclusions and think this is me cause the description fits. I can assure everyone that I am in no way engaging in ghostly 'relations' with MJ. [I am being facetious BTW just in case anybody could take this seriously.
lolol/
He is hard to turn away and once you've been bitten by the romance crap he does not leave.
He sounds like a vampire!
RK and Bec, :lol:
lolol/
im speechless
you know i have a friend who drives a cab
and he tells me some seriously off the wall stories
and half the time i dont believe him, i think he makes them up
im like oh yeah ok sure people are really that crazy
sureeeee
and then i read THAT
see in real life i tend to live in this little bubble of NO PUBLIC
and i don't dislike it that way
but im realizing i may be quite sheltered
no one could make that shit up
who is she doing that she thinks is MJ is what i wonder
and does she just pretend or does he say he is?
or both
freaky
/overreacting/
This was the funniest thing I have read in a while Souza. I was really thinking this woman really believes that. Wow! Her life and others like her exist. The things you get in your pm is wow.
After reading the forum the last couple days I am like (example) "These people with the theories of Jesus is a myth and we are made from Aliens, truly believe this" I thought about my belief and how strongly I believe in what I do. My whole outlook on the other opinions side has drastically changed. I want my opinion respected so I show the opposite opinions they have the right to their opinion just like I want.
This will not be the last of the loonie coming out this year. Helps when you can lol at it and yourself. I lol at myself all the time. respect/
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To whom this may concern:
Michael needs to cross over as he is earthbound. He is deceased and confused. These women are not lying, however they have been affected by Michael's desire to stay earthbound. Michael does visit lots of women and uses sex for energy to stay earthbound. I have been trying to get him to properly cross over for a year now.
Please stop the death hoax stuff and others have to stop feeding his desires. What all of you are doing is wrong and the others too. I remain private because I don't want to be a part of this nonsense and frenzy. He has been visiting me for over a year and "no" it has not been a pleasant experience. This is why he can't see the light. Earthbounds become nasty, resentful and do things that they wouldn't do in life. Feel sorry for the young women who fall for his romance line because they are being used for energy. He is hard to turn away and once you've been bitten by the romance crap he does not leave.
Please help Michael go to heaven where he should be becauese earthbounds put themselves in hell the longer they stay here.
I am middle aged, a Christian woman and not delusional. He really needs to see light and forget the material world, however fans who keep allowing this nonsense at HIS request and put stuff on youtube for him, are feeding his desire to stay here. And death hoax stuff too.
These women are victims...not Michael.
You guys think this has no sense? I think it does, if he is dead.
He is hard to turn away and once you've been bitten by the romance crap he does not leave.
This I can confirm errrr bounce/ :lol:
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@ mjonmind - LOL
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all i can say is, 'poor woman'
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Oh god.
He is hard to turn away and once you've been bitten by the romance crap he does not leave.
This I can confirm errrr bounce/ :lol:
I died, Gina, just died :lol: :lol: :lol:
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@ mjonmind - LOL
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all i can say is, 'poor woman'
So then it's true, and he's been visiting Gina? errrr
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???/ THATS NOT FAIR, I WANNA BE ONE OF THOSE WOMEN /overreacting/
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@ mjonmind - LOL
(http://www.glogster.com/media/4/15/57/88/15578883.jpg)
all i can say is, 'poor woman'
So then it's true, and he's been visiting Gina? errrr
TOLD YOU SO penguin/
I really should stop watching those NASTY videos and feeding the SEXY BEAST afraid/ :lol:
.......Michael go to heaven baby, I'll meet you there, cross my heart ;D
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Apparently this lady's MJ disagrees with you.
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I'm a BAD BAD girl for feeding Michael's earthbound desires.....
:lol: :lol:
/woohoo/
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Poor woman....with all those women around the world feeding him energy she´ll not accomplish her task in decades
:lol:
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WTF?? That woman needs mental help, ASAP!
We've already had one Serial Killer on the loose in Southern California, and caught last Friday (thanks to people actually CHASING the killer, caught in the act of murdering 4th homeless dude). He was hallucinating, too. Leads to no good, homey!
I don't care what you believe, but if someone were to be an earthbound spirit, like we'd have something to do with it? They hang out with those they care about - not some random nutso off the internet.
Woman, get yourself some help, and onto some meds, perhaps Lithium, to even you out! Yeah, talking to you, whoever wrote that. You need to let go of your obsession, go out and do something else. Your mind's definitely playing tricks on you, sorry.
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Oh God, it's a depressing place on the forum today - hate-filled, foul mouthed blogs, the need for clearing out troublemakers, and now this sad/sick/delusional woman.
Please, this is a call-out for us all to bring MJ and love back to this place. I've had enough of the negativity.
(Souza, I've told you before that you always have my full support in 'cleaning house'.)
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But only we have the power to make it a pleasant place. We can't control others, but we can control our responses!
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It's only out of LOVE and caring, and telling the poor thing to get some help. Otherwise, I could simply point and laugh at someone with a mental disorder, that's been degrading over a year.
So heartbreaking.
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Apparently this lady's MJ disagrees with you.
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the young women who fall for his romance
:roll: *sigh* yeah I'm one of them, I can't help it ;D
but
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just think about it, if Souza gets this kind of mails, what would Michael have received in his mailbox pale/ sad really :(
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! lolol/ lolol/ lolol/
OMFG!!! that woman has some serious issues, so much for not being delusional!!!!!! OMG! OMG! WTF??
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Lmao. This, is pure comedy. The things poor Souza is subjected to...I can only imagine what MJ received O_o. What a world...
Gina, you're a funny woman.
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penguin/ party/
@gina u crack me up gurl lol
@souza [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pslgz9o8meM[/youtube] lolol/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn2-b_opVTo[/youtube] moonwalk_/
huggs n love n faith to all
suzz
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Shit....... that madness
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*rtrl*
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I get a lot of crazy shit in my mailboax, many desperate women asking me to forward their messages to Michael (as if I would know how) including (sometimes naked) pictures and I never post them, because I would be posting messages to Michael every day and I actually feel kinda sorry for these women. But this one is SO INSANE, that I HAD to post it. If the author of this email reads this: please get help! I am worried about your mental health.
Anyway, Michael, the request is if you could please go to the light as the lady suggests and stop herrassing those women. Don't shoot the messenger...
To whom this may concern:
Michael needs to cross over as he is earthbound. He is deceased and confused. These women are not lying, however they have been affected by Michael's desire to stay earthbound. Michael does visit lots of women and uses sex for energy to stay earthbound. I have been trying to get him to properly cross over for a year now.
Please stop the death hoax stuff and others have to stop feeding his desires. What all of you are doing is wrong and the others too. I remain private because I don't want to be a part of this nonsense and frenzy. He has been visiting me for over a year and "no" it has not been a pleasant experience. This is why he can't see the light. Earthbounds become nasty, resentful and do things that they wouldn't do in life. Feel sorry for the young women who fall for his romance line because they are being used for energy. He is hard to turn away and once you've been bitten by the romance crap he does not leave.
Please help Michael go to heaven where he should be becauese earthbounds put themselves in hell the longer they stay here.
I am middle aged, a Christian woman and not delusional. He really needs to see light and forget the material world, however fans who keep allowing this nonsense at HIS request and put stuff on youtube for him, are feeding his desire to stay here. And death hoax stuff too.
These women are victims...not Michael.
This subject about the evolution of one's soul after death is not to be ridiculed. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean that that something doesn't exist and the persons who know it exists are crazy.
I'll reject this lady's story here only because I feel that MJ is alive.
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Told them so but they thought I was kidding errrr
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
Is she talking about some kind of demon or what? :lol: This was one of the funniest things that I've ever read in my entire life. :lol: Thanks for posting this Souza, I really needed that laugh. :lol:
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hmpt mag funked !
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Everyone seems to make fun of this lady. I take this seriously. It's a lady that is sooo obsessed with Michael. I feel so sorry for her. Obsession is really a serious thing. It can lead to crimes. I feel so sorry foe those fans who are obsessed with certain artists. But this is something an artist has to put in consideration. I really don't know what Michael would do in such cases!!!
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i would bet mj has to deal with that everyday..gurls mailing him such things only god knows what..throwing things on stage or at least trying..idk how any artist would enjoy
things like that...im sure like the nice pix and nice things he gets and others get are total different..poor souza has to read thru mail such as that omg...never thought of such things that souza would get like that ..hats off to u gurl..
huggs n love n faith to all
suzz
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i think we need to be careful about being nasty about her. JMO.
she is clearly suffering with mental health issues and dellusions. it is an illness and beyond her control. she certainly needs to seek assistance. seeking assistance IS within her control, so i hope she takes the step.
we wouldnt make fun of someone with cancer would we. same thing. its an illness.
besides lets all do our best to bring the love back here. too much negativity lately. we want our reputation to be different from other forums / blogs and Mj communities.
peace.
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Is she talking about some kind of demon or what? :lol: This was one of the funniest things that I've ever read in my entire life. :lol: Thanks for posting this Souza, I really needed that laugh. :lol:
All jokes aside now. Yes I believe she is talking about an incubus demon. Her email sounds just like what I have read about the subject. Hard to get rid of and very nasty. Sorry lady, that ain't MJ your dealing with there, just a nasty old incubus demon
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If I didn't have a friend whose son is dealing with an angry spirit in the home he bought I'd question this as well. I've learned not to dismiss too quickly that which I don't understand.
I don't believe though that she is referring to Michael. I, too, dismiss this because I believe Michael is 100% in his earthly body.
Souza - if you need help clearing out your email I volunteer respect/ lolol/
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A demon that has sex with people though? :shock:
There's been people who have murdered their own children because they thought they were the devil.
Also remember the story of Jermaine saying Encino was haunted?
http://www.rhymeswithsnitch.com/2010/08/jermaine-jacksons-ghost-story.html (http://www.rhymeswithsnitch.com/2010/08/jermaine-jacksons-ghost-story.html)
http://www.unexplainable.net/Ghost-Paranormal/Jackson.shtml (http://www.unexplainable.net/Ghost-Paranormal/Jackson.shtml)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpJGy9PZos4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpJGy9PZos4)
Because MJ's alive, the Neverland and elsewhere ghosts of him are false or pranks. About the Encino ghosts, didn't Michael say that his dad would scare the kids at night to keep them in line. It could have been Ma and Pa dressed up--I wouldn't put it past Katherine. MJ got his pranking partially genetically. ;) Jermaine could be a story-telling too.
AustralianMJbeLIEver, what's the JW belief on ghosts?
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This is very interesting. I am sure that their experiences are real to them and that they don´t lie. Another thing is to find out why they/we (we also have a gut feeling playing here) felt/feel that way. There are many factors contributing to it. From faith or autosuggestion to a severe mental disorder. Or may be as according to the spiritual world, souls do go around contacting people.
There are many people of different faiths who believe that people´s souls of those who died by accident are in a place called "limbo" and that those souls walk between earth and heaven sort to speak.
Since MJ "died" I have read, chatted and researched about the subject regarding MJ "contacting" people and this case is not isolated, in fact, what this woman is writing about is what I read going on in youtube, chats and blogs since June 2009.
People who believe MJ is alive also are positive about him contacting them now days and their revelations kept my attention as well.
The common factor is that too many people shares the exact same experience.
I was also told that souls can contact you by your dreams or in daily situations. That made me happy when I heard that (even if I don´t believe in it) because I do miss a lot family members of mine who died and made me brokenhearted. Only the thought of thinking they can be around makes me happy, but I know that is just an allusion, a happy wish.
I talked openly to colleges, family and friends about the possibility of having "the dead" around and one took the initiative to actually pay "an expert" and an spiritual adviser for a "session". The conclusion of it was kind of weird I must say, and I still remain skeptical about it. Coincidence or not, MJ "popped up" among many others, which I find pretty common since his "passing" was in a worldwide scale but it surprised me a little.
This all has been new to me and it is very interesting to know about the other side of the coin and the parapsychology world point of view.
However, I am still skeptical about it.
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"Medieval legend claims that demons, both male and female, sexually prey on human beings - generally during the night when the victim is sleeping"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus
Some nerds with no social life will have a solution to their lack of intercourse :)
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suspicious// HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG! Michael I can volunteer anytime you want ! I will send you my address telepathically ! P.S Ring the bell ! ! :D lolol/
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"Medieval legend claims that demons, both male and female, sexually prey on human beings - generally during the night when the victim is sleeping"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus
Some nerds with no social life will have a solution to their lack of intercourse :)
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:shock: so he visits her often and she’s got problem with that? OMG! WTF?? is wrong with that picture :lol:
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If you think about it, she was selfish. Probably thought she could have him all to herself. She waited a whole year to contact Souza.
But imo, I don't think this person is mental. I think it's someone that made it all up and hoped Souza would post the pm in the forum so they could read the responses. They're probably having a laugh. :lol:
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If you think about it, she was selfish. Probably thought she could have him all to herself. She waited a whole year to contact Souza.
But imo, I don't think this person is mental. I think it's someone that made it all up and hoped Souza would post the pm in the forum so they could read the responses. They're probably having a laugh. :lol:
That's exactly what I think.
@MJonmind: I am not a JW but I have been reading a lot about the beliefs of JW's lately, and I think that JW's believe in 'soul sleep', which means that your soul will be in an unconsious state until the end of the world, where everyone will be resurrected and judged out of the book of life. It means any ghost people might have seen, is never human (since human souls have no consiousness) but either angelic or demonic (fallen angels). Correct me if I'm wrong Aussie.
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In my opinion, this woman really believes what he wrote, I think it has a firm thinking about what happens after death. Lamenteblemente to me, that will remain as an anecdote because you never really know what happens after death. Recently it has been a relative of mine, and I think a lot about death. I can only say I hope that those who die at peace and no longer suffer. God grant that this woman also find peace in your life. bearhug
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Mike...the light will always be lit for you.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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If you think about it, she was selfish. Probably thought she could have him all to herself. She waited a whole year to contact Souza.
But imo, I don't think this person is mental. I think it's someone that made it all up and hoped Souza would post the pm in the forum so they could read the responses. They're probably having a laugh. :lol:
That's exactly what I think.
@MJonmind: I am not a JW but I have been reading a lot about the beliefs of JW's lately, and I think that JW's believe in 'soul sleep', which means that your soul will be in an unconsious state until the end of the world, where everyone will be resurrected and judged out of the book of life. It means any ghost people might have seen, is never human (since human souls have no consiousness) but either angelic or demonic (fallen angels). Correct me if I'm wrong Aussie.
Thanks Souza. I'm not JW either, and I grew up in Evangelical Christianity (conservative orthodox). However I came to the same belief as hers in the area of soul-sleep in my own independant Bible study ( very extensive study of some of the best Bible teachers online as well as Scripture itself) I asked Aussie what her take on ghosts were because I simply don't know. They seem so mysterious. I believe there could very likely be species of spirits (angels/demons) just like there are species of fish, insects and apes--all created by God. I just don't know. Some say they're from another atomic dimension co-existing with us. All I know for sure is that if you take ALL Scripture in its entirety, it teaches soul-sleep, not going to heaven/hell in spirit form after death.
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If you think about it, she was selfish. Probably thought she could have him all to herself. She waited a whole year to contact Souza.
But imo, I don't think this person is mental. I think it's someone that made it all up and hoped Souza would post the pm in the forum so they could read the responses. They're probably having a laugh. :lol:
That's exactly what I think.
@MJonmind: I am not a JW but I have been reading a lot about the beliefs of JW's lately, and I think that JW's believe in 'soul sleep', which means that your soul will be in an unconsious state until the end of the world, where everyone will be resurrected and judged out of the book of life. It means any ghost people might have seen, is never human (since human souls have no consiousness) but either angelic or demonic (fallen angels). Correct me if I'm wrong Aussie.
Thanks Souza. I'm not JW either, and I grew up in Evangelical Christianity (conservative orthodox). However I came to the same belief as hers in the area of soul-sleep in my own independant Bible study ( very extensive study of some of the best Bible teachers online as well as Scripture itself) I asked Aussie what her take on ghosts were because I simply don't know. They seem so mysterious. I believe there could very likely be species of spirits (angels/demons) just like there are species of fish, insects and apes--all created by God. I just don't know. Some say they're from another atomic dimension co-existing with us. All I know for sure is that if you take ALL Scripture in its entirety, it teaches soul-sleep, not going to heaven/hell in spirit form after death.
Here is the another perspective on that:
http://carm.org/soul-sleep
http://bible.org/question/8216soul-sleep%E2%80%99-biblical-when-we-die-do-we-go-heaven-immediately-or-second-coming
To each his own. With peace and love :)
As far as ghosts, I think they are demons, but JMHO.
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I'm gonna be
Exactly what you wanna see
It's you whose haunting me
Your warning me
To be the stranger
In your life
Am I amusing you
Or just confusing you
Am I the beast
You visualised
And if you wanna to see
Eccentrialities
I'll be grotesque
Before your eyes
Let them all materialize
Is that scary for you baby
Am I scary for you oh
Is it scary for you baby
Is it scary for you
That's what I think...
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You think you're by yourself,
but it's my touch you felt,
I'm not a ghost from hell,
but I got a spell on you,
Your worst nightmare,
it's me I'm everywhere,
In one blink I'll disappear,
and then I'll come back to haunt you.
Sounds like a really crappy boyfriend. You know the kind.
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@mjonmind and others who are interested...
JWs believe that ghosts of dead loved ones are actually demons. the reasoning behind this is that the bible indicates that from "dust you are made and to dust you shall return", (when one dies) this scripture for those not familiar is in gen.3:19. - all bibles say this.
furthermore, the bible indicates that man is waiting in "hades" or "sheol" in an unconscious state. Ecclesiastes 9:5 says "For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they any more have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten" - NWT.
Sheol, or Hades, is not a literal place in a specific location. Rather, it is the common grave of dead mankind, the figurative location where most of mankind sleep in death. dead humans wait unconcious, in the common grave until the ressurection to paradise earth, which is after armageddon. meaning they dont go to heaven and dont go to hell. rather they simply dont exist anymore except in gods memory until the appointed time when he raises the dead to an earthly ressurection. this is described in revelation 1:18 "christ having the keys to death and hades" and john 5:28 "all those in the memorial tombs will come out" and acts 25:14 which says "there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous" (i encourage those who are interested to look at these scriptures in their own bibles)
so then, this then begs the question, what of the ghosts and interactions with supposed 'crossed over - dead loved ones" via apparitions, ghosts, seances, spirit mediums, and other appearances or messages from people who have died.
JWs reason that since the bible clearly indicates that the dead are consious of nothing, these spirits or ghosts are demons who are charading as dead loved ones. they sneakily get people who are emotional, greving and vulenerable to speak and interact with them. unbeknownst to the person who is speaking with their 'dead loved one' they are getting involved with spiritism. yet they think it is somehting beautiful, communicating with someone they love. 2 corinthians.11:14 - "satan transforms himself into an angel of light". (meaning somthing that appears beautiful) and revelation 12.7-17 - "satan and his demons are cast own of heaven and down to earth" and Job 1:6 "satan roaving around the earth like a lion seeking to devour"
the demons pose as dead loved ones, (not much unlike satan posed as a talking serpent in eden to decieve eve) because as long as people think they are doing something harmless and speaking with their dead loved ones - they are partaking of the table of the demons. they do this to keep people away from god. i know this is a sensitive subject, as many who have lost loved ones feel they are doing a beautiful thing by trying to communicate with loved ones who have died. but as the bible says in 1 corinthians 10:21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons - new international version.
1 Samuel 28:7-12, I Corinthians 15:39-40, I Timothy 4:1, Matthew 12:43, I Corinthians 12:20. Are just some examples of Ghosts and demons that God warns the human world to stay away from.
the demons were cast out of heaven. they live on the earth amongst us. explains why the world is so demonic and evil. it is inspired by satan and his fallen angels. they seek to mislead us from god via various methods. astrology, fortune telling, palm reading, spiritism, outright satan worship and sadly the more subtle, speaking with those loved ones who have 'crossed over' etc etc.
i hope this helps. again, want to say i am not belittlling anyone elses beliefs in heaven or hell or ghosts, etc. but this is what JWs believe based on the bible. respect/
peace and love to all
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If you think about it, she was selfish. Probably thought she could have him all to herself. She waited a whole year to contact Souza.
But imo, I don't think this person is mental. I think it's someone that made it all up and hoped Souza would post the pm in the forum so they could read the responses. They're probably having a laugh. :lol:
That's exactly what I think.
@MJonmind: I am not a JW but I have been reading a lot about the beliefs of JW's lately, and I think that JW's believe in 'soul sleep', which means that your soul will be in an unconsious state until the end of the world, where everyone will be resurrected and judged out of the book of life. It means any ghost people might have seen, is never human (since human souls have no consiousness) but either angelic or demonic (fallen angels). Correct me if I'm wrong Aussie.
didnt see your post. correct this is what we believe. the scriptures i have included in my post are the basis for the understanding that we have arrived at.
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WTF ?
mj_bad/
Michael has been getting these kinds of letters since he was 11 years old, he just has that affect on people who are looking for something they are missing in their lives. So I think he's enjoying getting energy from his fans, WHEREVER he is. He said he never wanted to die. He may be more earthbound than that woman knows, heeheehee.
There was a comment putting people who are educated on the subject of Jesus and rational enough to not blindly believe that such a person every historically existed -- like me, most scientists, the Founding Fathers, most of the people in the world, tons and tons of the top intellects and achievers in history, all indegenous people of this land, and African tribes -- in the same category with that woman who wrote Souza about MJ's energy-sucking adventures. I hardly think that is a comparison that has any merit. People who illogically and fanatically cling to belief in a mythical figure in spite of there not being any evidence to support that figure's historical existence would be the more obvious parallel. That's like believing MJ was a child molester in spite of the total lack of evidence when the accusers were proven liars, or believing MJ swallowed propofol and died in the 2 minutes CRM pretends he was out of the room, or believing we are the only planet capable of sustaining life, or believing 19 hijackers with boxcutters (who are still alive, BTW) carried off 911 without the help of Dick Cheney, or believing everything the government tells you.
I am part native, as is MJ, and our ancestors' traditions tell us we CAME FROM THE STAR PEOPLE. That's why Michael is so OUT OF THIS WORLD!
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@mjonmind and others who are interested...
JWs believe that ghosts of dead loved ones are actually demons. the reasoning behind this is that the bible indicates that from "dust you are made and to dust you shall return", (when one dies) this scripture for those not familiar is in gen.3:19. - all bibles say this.
furthermore, the bible indicates that man is waiting in "hades" or "sheol" in an unconscious state. Ecclesiastes 9:5 says "For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they any more have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten" - NWT.
Sheol, or Hades, is not a literal place in a specific location. Rather, it is the common grave of dead mankind, the figurative location where most of mankind sleep in death. dead humans wait unconcious, in the common grave until the ressurection to paradise earth, which is after armageddon. meaning they dont go to heaven and dont go to hell. rather they simply dont exist anymore except in gods memory until the appointed time when he raises the dead to an earthly ressurection. this is described in revelation 1:18 "christ having the keys to death and hades" and john 5:28 "all those in the memorial tombs will come out" and acts 25:14 which says "there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous" (i encourage those who are interested to look at these scriptures in their own bibles)
so then, this then begs the question, what of the ghosts and interactions with supposed 'crossed over - dead loved ones" via apparitions, ghosts, seances, spirit mediums, and other appearances or messages from people who have died.
JWs reason that since the bible clearly indicates that the dead are consious of nothing, these spirits or ghosts are demons who are charading as dead loved ones. they sneakily get people who are emotional, greving and vulenerable to speak and interact with them. unbeknownst to the person who is speaking with their 'dead loved one' they are getting involved with spiritism. yet they think it is somehting beautiful, communicating with someone they love. 2 corinthians.11:14 - "satan transforms himself into an angel of light". (meaning somthing that appears beautiful) and revelation 12.7-17 - "satan and his demons are cast own of heaven and down to earth" and Job 1:6 "satan roaving around the earth like a lion seeking to devour"
the demons pose as dead loved ones, (not much unlike satan posed as a talking serpent in eden to decieve eve) because as long as people think they are doing something harmless and speaking with their dead loved ones - they are partaking of the table of the demons. they do this to keep people away from god. i know this is a sensitive subject, as many who have lost loved ones feel they are doing a beautiful thing by trying to communicate with loved ones who have died. but as the bible says in 1 corinthians 10:21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons - new international version.
1 Samuel 28:7-12, I Corinthians 15:39-40, I Timothy 4:1, Matthew 12:43, I Corinthians 12:20. Are just some examples of Ghosts and demons that God warns the human world to stay away from.
the demons were cast out of heaven. they live on the earth amongst us. explains why the world is so demonic and evil. it is inspired by satan and his falled angels. they seek to mislead us from god via various methods. astrology, fortune telling, palm reading, spiritism, outright satan worship, speaking with those who have 'crossed over' etc etc.
i hope this helps. again, want to say i am not belittlling anyone elses beliefs in heaven or hell or ghosts, etc. but this is what JWs believe based on the bible. respect/
peace and love to all
This is incredibly solid and easy to understand - thank you for sharing this.
Just so happens that my faith believes exactly the same thing and I am not JW. In fact, one might say we are almost opposites. I guess that isn't true when it comes to spirits and demons.
Blessings to you :)
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mj_bad/
Michael has been getting these kinds of letters since he was 11 years old, he just has that affect on people who are looking for something they are missing in their lives. So I think he's enjoying getting energy from his fans, WHEREVER he is. He said he never wanted to die. He may be more earthbound than that woman knows, heeheehee.
There was a comment putting people who are educated on the subject of Jesus and rational enough to not blindly believe that such a person every historically existed -- like me, most scientists, the Founding Fathers, most of the people in the world, tons and tons of the top intellects and achievers in history, all indegenous people of this land, and African tribes -- in the same category with that woman who wrote Souza about MJ's energy-sucking adventures. I hardly think that is a comparison that has any merit. People who illogically and fanatically cling to belief in a mythical figure in spite of there not being any evidence to support that figure's historical existence would be the more obvious parallel. That's like believing MJ was a child molester in spite of the total lack of evidence when the accusers were proven liars, or believing MJ swallowed propofol and died in the 2 minutes CRM pretends he was out of the room, or believing we are the only planet capable of sustaining life, or believing 19 hijackers with boxcutters (who are still alive, BTW) carried off 911 without the help of Dick Cheney, or believing everything the government tells you.
I am part native, as is MJ, and our ancestors' traditions tell us we CAME FROM THE STAR PEOPLE. That's why Michael is so OUT OF THIS WORLD!
No historical evidence that Jesus really existed? That's not true. There is more historical evidence that Jesus existed than many other people in history. Here is an interview with a historian who is NOT a christian:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdqJyk-dtLs[/youtube]
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"JWs believe that ghosts of dead loved ones are actually demons. the reasoning behind this is that the bible indicates that from "dust you are made and to dust you shall return", (when one dies) this scripture for those not familiar is in gen.3:19. - all bibles say this."
I am pretty sure Michael got away from the JWs after Thriller. That was the religion he was raised in, but they were not real happy with him making Thriller, thus the disclaimer he put at the beginning about not believing in the occult. He grew up and out of it, like he grew out of the Jackson 5 and Joseph's controlling his career. And he became his own person.
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That's like believing MJ was a child molester in spite of the total lack of evidence when the accusers were proven liars
the two things are completely different and the comparrison doesnt even come close to relevant. no offence, JMO.
some articles of interest for you may be the historical writtings of josephus, dating back from a mere 40 years after jesus existed where he was able to record first hand experiences similar to what are noted in the bible. click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
in addition, the tax census of the time which parallels bible records is an interesting read. click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius
another point is his chronology dates back to the line of king david and even beyond. to early israel, many of these bible characters that are the forefathers of chirst have been noted in archological finds. it might just take some research locating them.
there are a plethora of other facts, reasons, proofs.. but here are three to start you off.
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"JWs believe that ghosts of dead loved ones are actually demons. the reasoning behind this is that the bible indicates that from "dust you are made and to dust you shall return", (when one dies) this scripture for those not familiar is in gen.3:19. - all bibles say this."
I am pretty sure Michael got away from the JWs after Thriller. That was the religion he was raised in, but they were not real happy with him making Thriller, thus the disclaimer he put at the beginning about not believing in the occult. He grew up and out of it, like he grew out of the Jackson 5 and Joseph's controlling his career. And he became his own person.
he has been seen a kingdom halls in mid 2000's. but that is besides the point. this is already being discussed in another thread by the way. its entitled "since a discussion on religion has opened - something bothers me"
its not a bashing session by the way. a respecful too and fro exchange of beliefs.
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"I am middle aged, a Christian woman and not delusional". Umm yeah - sure sounds like it. I think she's smoked one too many doobies!
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"I am middle aged, a Christian woman and not delusional". Umm yeah - sure sounds like it. I think she's smoked one too many doobies!
Perhaps, she actually needs one, with a license out here. Calm her down, stop her from seeing fake stuff, and just laugh at the tv instead! rr/
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Thanks Aussie, you explained it very well!
You think you're by yourself,
but it's my touch you felt,
I'm not a ghost from hell,
but I got a spell on you,
Your worst nightmare,
it's me I'm everywhere,
In one blink I'll disappear,
and then I'll come back to haunt you.
Sounds like a really crappy boyfriend. You know the kind.
This describes what she's talking about to a tee. :lol: That women's not crazy after all! ::P
Thrillerdancinmachine
I am part native, as is MJ, and our ancestors' traditions tell us we CAME FROM THE STAR PEOPLE. That's why Michael is so OUT OF THIS WORLD!
I pretty much believe this too! ;)
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John 20:29
"Jesus said unto him, Because I've seen you believed? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed "
I have not seen Jesus nor Michael from Jun/09 but still I believe. /white flag/
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oh I miss you Michael so much :(
What are you now? What happened to you, where are you :( ?
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John 20:29
"Jesus said unto him, Because I've seen you believed? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed "
I have not seen Jesus nor Michael from Jun/09 but still I believe. /white flag/
Totally agree with you. Thanks for sharing :)
Gina - I love your questions. I would hope that someday we'll get the answers we are looking for.
Blessings.
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:).....The Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators is the Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators..... The only one !!!! /woohoo/ mj_dance/
Thanks Souza ( and your employees) for all your work !!!
moonwalk_/
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Nice to add some levity, Souza.
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Through all this madness - I just care about you.