Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Theories => Coherent Theories ~ Connect the dots => Topic started by: Tink on February 29, 2012, 05:47:49 AM
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I have something I want you all to watch; a few seconds of footage, from two separate sources, two different angles. The results are exactly the SAME.
I've discovered a major slip-up that occurred in plain sight, in full view of all cameras rolling, while commentaries were being said the day Michael allegedly died.
It directly lends credit to Michael definitely being alive, from the day his alleged body was transported. And it’s nothing anyone’s ever posted. Pearl: I forbid
you, PERSONALLY from posting this, without speaking to me first. And I do mean it, home girl!
I give inspiration to my Illusionist friends directly at the Magic Castle, who've spent countless hours showing me sleight of hand card tricks. Because that’s HOW I saw through this Illusion, which has indeed bugged me subconsciously for a few months - the only amount of time I've actually watched the videos. My brain finally coalesced and put it together. Plus, HOW Michael and the Illusionist and his assistants even got away with it – and confusing people, in case the trick was ever discovered.
In other words, I do believe I’ve cracked this Illusion wide open, and HOW the trick was performed, from Rescue 5 onward.
Video #1
Michael Jackson's Body Arrives At L.A. Coroner's Office - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related)
Geraldo – Watch the heavier Sheriff on the Right side, starting at 6:12, to 6:37. Clear as day, he exits the back of the van, from the side doors. The camera pulls BACK, as he walks back there. then for no apparent reason – he first reaches to the upper right of the license plate, and pulls off the white covering over the red 2010 tag, and starts to walk away. The other officer in dark blue walks past him, and opens the door with the plate on it. He then remembers something, and then walks back and also removes the upper left white covering over the red April tag. He pulls off his gloves, sleight of hand, to cover this all up. He then moseys back to enter the passenger front seat of the van, and they drive off.
Also watch the other video, at a slightly different angle here:
Brian Oxman 2nd Interview with Olbermann Re: Jacko Death - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCMOLWUAdME&feature=related)
Oxman – 2:03 – 2:29, Exactly the same procedure by the same man! :o
If I’m not mistaken, this is the missing evidence between the person exiting the van alive after the van pulls inside the garage. It also lends credibility to the van with the same plates, and the argument of the no smog tags, then with the red smog tags. Then, the tape made by Michael’s friends after the fact, which were made on a rainy day (which completely proves it was made afterwards – we had no rain in June!), and claiming that they made it, to throw everyone off the trail. Except - the inside door to the Coroner's office went from dark green to a sudden bright green. How stupid do they think we really are?
I was washing my car the other day, and the answer happened to be – on my own car’s tags, which are April’s! 2010 happened to be red tags with the DMV! Red/Red for Month & year.
Do hope that clears a few things up for everyone. It doesn't matter whether the person stepping out of the van was Michael or not; Illusionist assistants are used who are look-alikes all the time. I'd also be a bit unsteady on my feet myself, after playing dead for a few hours.
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are you able to zoom in on this. Its a bit hard to see exactly what he is doing. This is exciting stuff though. Thanks for showing us.
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Tink, you are a deep digger...
You know how good it is to review old material?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related)
Watch! At 0:17, you see somebody strongly ressembling Doc Murray walking by Michael's car (in the tiny movie embedded at left). This could be the first document of Michael and Doc Murray together.
I cut a screenshot & one of the very rare profile pictures of Doc Murray's left cheek together.
The chin to neck part is identical IMHO.
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I remember that we discussed the Sheriff pulling tapes off the van.
This is Twiggy's photograph of the van in L.A.:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NiWiL9dw-Po/TBm-8X4OzAI/AAAAAAAAAuw/H4_VjndF4tg/s400/coronersvanupclose.jpg)
Watch for the garage entry of the L.A. coroner at 0:19 (and notice the BACK of the real van being inside, not the front as shown on June 25):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0lPubFBDc[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0lPubFBDc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0lPubFBDc)
The RTL "making of the "faked" video" provided (without any doubt) scenes from Germany. The "making off" and the liveleaks "jumping out" video go hand in hand. The RTL van and the L.A. van differ in many aspects (fonts, size of arrows etc).
But still, like you mentioned, the Sheriff pulled something off the plate.
Question is: what would be needed to cover the plate until they left the heliport taking off for a several hundred yard distance only to enter the coroner's garage (in the wrong direction).
This gives a comparison of the coroner van shown on June 25 and the one allegedly filmed in Germany (in a hotel garage) and indicates that their plate showed labels the L.A. van did not carry:
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/bravo/ thank you investigators.
Tink, I repeatedly watched your posted vids. Very interesting, I haven't paid much attention to the persons of the van before. Maybe because I was too focused on the body (red herring?). May be that's it! That's the trick, we'd better notice the things/persons around the focus. :geek: You already noticed this Tink: why is the camera zooming out specially at this particular moment when the sheriff and the other officers stepped out of the van? The heavier sheriff made some unclear actions with the license plate. Why? Probably for diversion. Just pay attention to the second officer who's jumping out of the right side of the van (at 6:11 on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related). Why is he leaving?? :shock: This makes no sense. First he enters the van, it took some minutes and before the van leaves he jumps out and walks away :? The trick of the illusionist and/or Alfred Hitchcock, using diversions, a red herring etc. ;) 8-)
L.O.V.E.
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Over the years, we have gotten many solid clues to show that Michael is still alive. One of the main reasons if not THE main one that I have remained diligently convinced of is that video of MJ jumping out of that coroner van. That story was hushed like quicksand. Until someone can prove to me that it was fake, I will ALWAYS believe in its authenticity. For me, that was Michael Jackson.
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Over the years, we have gotten many solid clues to show that Michael is still alive. One of the main reasons if not THE main one that I have remained diligently convinced of is that video of MJ jumping out of that coroner van. That story was hushed like quicksand. Until someone can prove to me that it was fake, I will ALWAYS believe in its authenticity. For me, that was Michael Jackson.
For me too, hesouttamylife, if only because I so want it to be, not because it's proof he's alive, because like you, I have loads of other reasons why I believe that, but because I so want him to have been that brazen, bold, open and self-confident to pull off such a ludicrously blatant stunt, knowing full well the majority wouldn't believe it, and imagining the reaction when they find out it was true all along!
I'm fully prepared to eat my words at some future date, :oops: but for me, the guy jumping out of that van had MJ written all over him! Something about the shoulders I think! moonwalk_/
@Tink, thanks for posting! It's good to remind ourselves of stuff like this in these quiet days, even though my untrained eyes can't actually see what you can, and I don't understand what it means if they were messing about with the plates!
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I remember that we discussed the Sheriff pulling tapes off the van.
This is Twiggy's photograph of the van in L.A.:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NiWiL9dw-Po/TBm-8X4OzAI/AAAAAAAAAuw/H4_VjndF4tg/s400/coronersvanupclose.jpg)
Watch for the garage entry of the L.A. coroner at 0:19 (and notice the BACK of the real van being inside, not the front as shown on June 25):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0lPubFBDc[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0lPubFBDc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0lPubFBDc)
The RTL "making of the "faked" video" provided (without any doubt) scenes from Germany. The "making off" and the liveleaks "jumping out" video go hand in hand. The RTL van and the L.A. van differ in many aspects (fonts, size of arrows etc).
But still, like you mentioned, the Sheriff pulled something off the plate.
Question is: what would be needed to cover the plate until they left the heliport taking off for a several hundred yard distance only to enter the coroner's garage (in the wrong direction).
This gives a comparison of the coroner van shown on June 25 and the one allegedly filmed in Germany (in a hotel garage) and indicates that their plate showed labels the L.A. van did not carry:
@Grace - thanks for posting that.
I believe Twiggy took a photo of a parked van. I believe Twiggy staged that photo - because whenever you go inside of a DARK garage, lights are on, and there's no light on the license plate! It's a parked van. In other words: Twiggy pulled a fast one, and cheated! I myself ALWAYS hit my lights, when I drive inside a parking garage, because people are literally blind, going from bright light to darkness.
I do feel that within the van, a huge Illusion was taking place, that needed 3 men within, WITH the doors closed. Obviously alive at this point, otherwise you'd leave the bloody side door open, because of the ahem, stench. Feet were at the head of the van, so no one would see his head easily - unless that's exactly what they were trying to cover up: a Woozy Michael, who may even have had vertigo from being inside the helicopter, all covered up. Heck for all we know, he was starting to panic, and they all had to climb in, and untie & pull the sheet off of him, so he'd calm down. That's also why he was wearing white - so he could blend in easier, when they pulled the sheet down - and he could pull it up quickly, to cover his head.
As we know, they've been cautious to not break the law, while performing Illusions. Even in the Court part of the show, adding an extra star to the California Seal. If that was Michael's van and not the Coroner's, then they'd have to do something, to reveal it's part of their show (revealing tags enough). It also could've been something intentionally done - to make anyone shooting video look like a fool.
If I'm not mistaken, Rescue 5 had recently been mothballed, and was only intended to be on display. It was chosen for the "Rescue 5" name. Other helicopters were available. This one is for display purposes, and perhaps that's how Michael found the perfect one, and was able to walk inside it with the Illusionist before this particular day.
For all we know? We've had 3 possibilities:
1) Michael was in van
2) Michael was still aboard Rescue 5, in the still strapped gurney, and whisked away to safety
3) Michael was at Cedar's Sinai - his usual hospital. And the Illusionist took care of the entire thing, with his assistant (double for Michael).
We've had blatant hints all along - from Elizabeth Taylor's tweets that he's resting comfortably. I tend to believe she spoke with Michael himself.
But then Michael saw a way out of his nightmare, with the help of the Illusionist and his assistants.
Someone definitely dressed in dark blue, was hidden towards the end of one of the videos, and could be seen trying to get under the gate, but was stopped.
No one EVER mentions this in any news program; WHY NOT!?
I do believe that this is the person who shot the video, of Michael getting out of the Coroner's van.
What I've noticed: the videos with the full shot with the dude pulling the covering off both side of the tags, the camera pulls away - like they're
being DIRECTED to do so, at that precise time! Card tricks fail, when you're directly on them.
All the videos that I've found that are close, are all CUT right there, before the "County Sheriff" removes the white tape. Then, you'll see the second half, with the van pulling away.
The other suspicious people who were all piled in the van with Michael are also CUT from the second half of the footage, where they just walk away (Blue suited "officers.").
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For me too, hesouttamylife, if only because I so want it to be, not because it's proof he's alive, because like you, I have loads of other reasons why I believe that, but because I so want him to have been that brazen, bold, open and self-confident to pull off such a ludicrously blatant stunt, knowing full well the majority wouldn't believe it, and imagining the reaction when they find out it was true all along!
I'm fully prepared to eat my words at some future date, :oops: but for me, the guy jumping out of that van had MJ written all over him! Something about the shoulders I think! moonwalk_/
I agree. The bolder the more delicious the reveal. Like you, I may live to eat my words. More likely, we will all be drinking an intoxicating glass of I told you so! :)
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CA puts yellow stripes on the streets and does not count height in meters.
The "making of" was very likely produced in Europe.
They showed the exact location of the leaked video.
I think the reasons why the Sheriff had to pull tapes off the plate are still interesting.
What was the benefit of the van driving with some tapes to the helicopter and leaving without them?
Indicating that it was all "taped"?
The band met in the van as if they had to hold a conference about what to do next and get their orders for the next scene. It was like a beehive - get in, get out, doors open, doors closed, a driver opening the door for the Sheriff from the outside - was it so hot and tight in the van that he could not find the handle to open the door from the inside?
Actually, I was searching for some uniform sneaking out in that artificial chaos before the caravan got spot-on in the focus again while driving to the garage.
When you have a "dead body" and a chopper brings it in, the transport is announced by radio and the final destination is only some yards away - why need a "what to do next" conference in a transport vehicle?
Direct orders because the media may wiretap? But again why if safe haven where no media can interfere is only some yards away?
Did a director leave and deployed tasks? So many witnesses being around? Was it MJ's "last autograph occasion"? Really. It reminded me much of this video LOL:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4)
This heliport chapter has always bamboozled me.
Here's the source of "Don't abandon your baby":
http://mjhoaxlive.blogspot.com/2010/06/coroner-van-license-plate.html (http://mjhoaxlive.blogspot.com/2010/06/coroner-van-license-plate.html)
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Tink, I really appreciate your information and for all of the time you have put into this post. I think it's fantastic work. While I understand most of it, I am just a little bit confused and hoping you, or anyone else, could help me out.
I watched your videos numerous times and I have the heavier sheriff's moves down pat. However, my question is, what do your observations mean or prove in regards to the "Michael Hopping Out of a Coroner's Van" video that came out to be "fake"?
God Bless, and thanks again for all of your wonderful work. :)
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I'm one of the few who also believe the video of 'Michael' jumping from the van is authentic. There is something about the figure that gives of Michaels presence, something a fan of his can see and feel about him, when he was on stage, I cant put it into words but its like an aura, even watching videos of him you can sense it .. i watched all the vids of the coroners van entering the underground car park just to see if any person follwed the van in on foot an lo and behold they did .... im with the few who believe the 'how it was done video' was damage controll to cover up the leaked authentic one and no one will change my mind otherwise ... from the coroners it would have been easy to leave for the airport .. the diversions had already taken place at thw hospital and airport earlier and another diversion would have been seen by the public as 'not again' and dismissed this time as a nuisance. but that is just my theory ;)
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I'm one of the few who also believe the video of 'Michael' jumping from the van is authentic. There is something about the figure that gives of Michaels presence, something a fan of his can see and feel about him, when he was on stage, I cant put it into words but its like an aura, even watching videos of him you can sense it .. i watched all the vids of the coroners van entering the underground car park just to see if any person follwed the van in on foot an lo and behold they did .... im with the few who believe the 'how it was done video' was damage controll to cover up the leaked authentic one and no one will change my mind otherwise ... from the coroners it would have been easy to leave for the airport .. the diversions had already taken place at thw hospital and airport earlier and another diversion would have been seen by the public as 'not again' and dismissed this time as a nuisance. but that is just my theory ;)
Yes! Oh, I said something confusing earlier: I meant that Twiggy took a photo of a parked van, that didn't have any lights on, so the plates weren't illuminated. When the person leapt out, and tried to follow the van, they didn't get in, but kept video shooting - as the van had also turned all their lights ON, which includes the little light on the license plate!
I feel that the video of him getting out of the van was real - but wow, riding in a helicopter like a mummy, would make anyone suffer vertigo, since you don't have a focal point with your eyes! He most likely thought it would be a piece of cake (after riding all the rides he'd been on), and most likely almost threw up in the helicopter. That's why he's so worn out, after the entire ordeal that started almost 12 hours before - so he'd been awake for nearly 36 hours.
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I'm one of the few who also believe the video of 'Michael' jumping from the van is authentic. There is something about the figure that gives of Michaels presence, something a fan of his can see and feel about him, when he was on stage, I cant put it into words but its like an aura, even watching videos of him you can sense it .. i watched all the vids of the coroners van entering the underground car park just to see if any person follwed the van in on foot an lo and behold they did .... im with the few who believe the 'how it was done video' was damage controll to cover up the leaked authentic one and no one will change my mind otherwise ... from the coroners it would have been easy to leave for the airport .. the diversions had already taken place at thw hospital and airport earlier and another diversion would have been seen by the public as 'not again' and dismissed this time as a nuisance. but that is just my theory ;)
I agree wholeheartedly. I would imagine that somebody got into a lot of trouble when that video surfaced. It had to be shut down, totally. My God, look how close they came to messing up Michael’s hoax plan. If it weren’t real somebody would be taking credit for it with bragging rights void of the need for damage control.
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I'm one of the few who also believe the video of 'Michael' jumping from the van is authentic. There is something about the figure that gives of Michaels presence, something a fan of his can see and feel about him, when he was on stage, I cant put it into words but its like an aura, even watching videos of him you can sense it .. i watched all the vids of the coroners van entering the underground car park just to see if any person follwed the van in on foot an lo and behold they did .... im with the few who believe the 'how it was done video' was damage controll to cover up the leaked authentic one and no one will change my mind otherwise ... from the coroners it would have been easy to leave for the airport .. the diversions had already taken place at thw hospital and airport earlier and another diversion would have been seen by the public as 'not again' and dismissed this time as a nuisance. but that is just my theory ;)
I agree wholeheartedly. I would imagine that somebody got into a lot of trouble when that video surfaced. It had to be shut down, totally. My God, look how close they came to messing up Michael’s hoax plan. If it weren’t real somebody would be taking credit for it with bragging rights void of the need for damage control.
Ooh no, I think that video was absolutely meant to surface! It was all over the internet, there was a spoof one made of Elvis, Lincoln and Jesus following MJ out of the van but no way did it ever come close to messing up his plans as (almost) everyone just laughed at it and never believed for a second that it could be real, because by then they'd all got it set in their minds that he was dead. I've had people refering to that video when asking me about why I think he's alive. 'Is it just because you saw him jumping out of the coroner's van?!' they say! Many, many people saw it, yet very, very few gave it any credibility. I wonder how many secretly wonder though!
As for the 'how it was done' video, imo, that was just to stop it being too blatant: MJ covering the tracks that he'd deliberately left in the first place, either on that day .... or the other.....!
Isn't a vivid imagination a wonderful thing? Or is that just another way of describing an open, enquiring mind that doesn't accept what's presented to it - or, in this case, does?!!
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Oh my.
My my.
This thread made my year. Thus far.
Van video day was the best day of the hoax, hands down, a title still standing to this day. I believed then as I still believe now, as curls said before me, that was MJ in that video and that was MJ in the helicopter. MJ hid in plain sight that day start to finish; from Carrolwood to stretcher .gif @UCLA to the helicopter transport to van video.
If I'm wrong as far as I'm concerned the hoax burns down in flames and I take the blue pill and I'm plugged back into the matrix. Game over, I have bet the house. Van video is real.
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I agree Curls & bec...I've always thought that Coroner van video was the real deal and it really was MJ jumping out. I have looked at that video so many times I've lost count.
"The How it was Done" by the German TV was a diversion.....or as you say curls....to stop it being so blatant.
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Over the years, we have gotten many solid clues to show that Michael is still alive. One of the main reasons if not THE main one that I have remained diligently convinced of is that video of MJ jumping out of that coroner van. That story was hushed like quicksand. Until someone can prove to me that it was fake, I will ALWAYS believe in its authenticity. For me, that was Michael Jackson.
Agree with you /bravo/
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I agree Curls & bec...I've always thought that Coroner van video was the real deal and it really was MJ jumping out. I have looked at that video so many times I've lost count.
"The How it was Done" by the German TV was a diversion.....or as you say curls....to stop it being so blatant.
And so were the levels of tiai 2011.
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Question: where´s the "Don´t abandon your baby" inscription and the blue arrow in the video allegedly taken by RTL?
Also the cipher "6" (on the number plates) does not match.
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Question: where´s the "Don´t abandon your baby" inscription and the blue arrow in the video allegedly taken by RTL?
Also the cipher "6" (on the number plates) does not match.
The "Don't abandon your baby" is for the morons who leave their kid in the baby seat asleep, while they go shopping, whatever. We've had many suffocation deaths of people forgetting the child's even inside the car! Even opening all the windows an inch or two (like you would for a dog), would stop the temperature from skyrocketing within.
The one rotund Sheriff was pulling tape off the back; perhaps the #6 was included, to cause people to flippantly discredit it. When the person in the blue coat or whatever, filmed it, you can hear background noise - and heavy breathing from someone almost being suffocated.
I've oft felt the "woo-hoo" was an additional track, to make it feel fake.
People have also played with the numbers, and I sat there looking at it, 1276020. If you think of it as wrap around numbers, you get a date. I'll put it to where it makes better sense for everyone:
06/27/2012 = June 27th, 2012.
Is that particular date of any importance?
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Question: where´s the "Don´t abandon your baby" inscription and the blue arrow in the video allegedly taken by RTL?
Also the cipher "6" (on the number plates) does not match.
The "Don't abandon your baby" is for the morons who leave their kid in the baby seat asleep, while they go shopping, whatever. We've had many suffocation deaths of people forgetting the child's even inside the car! Even opening all the windows an inch or two (like you would for a dog), would stop the temperature from skyrocketing within.
The one rotund Sheriff was pulling tape off the back; perhaps the #6 was included, to cause people to flippantly discredit it. When the person in the blue coat or whatever, filmed it, you can hear background noise - and heavy breathing from someone almost being suffocated.
I've oft felt the "woo-hoo" was an additional track, to make it feel fake.
Tink, I am not asking "why" is there a "Don´t abandon your baby" inscription.
What I am asking is "where" is it?
I saw this picture posted by Grace:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8136/coronervancomparison.jpg)
Obviously the inscription is missing in the picture on the right.
As for the "6"...well I don´t know but it does not seem to match in the picture above.
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Question: where´s the "Don´t abandon your baby" inscription and the blue arrow in the video allegedly taken by RTL?
Also the cipher "6" (on the number plates) does not match.
The "Don't abandon your baby" is for the morons who leave their kid in the baby seat asleep, while they go shopping, whatever. We've had many suffocation deaths of people forgetting the child's even inside the car! Even opening all the windows an inch or two (like you would for a dog), would stop the temperature from skyrocketing within.
The one rotund Sheriff was pulling tape off the back; perhaps the #6 was included, to cause people to flippantly discredit it. When the person in the blue coat or whatever, filmed it, you can hear background noise - and heavy breathing from someone almost being suffocated.
I've oft felt the "woo-hoo" was an additional track, to make it feel fake.
Tink, I am not asking "why" is there a "Don´t abandon your baby" inscription.
What I am asking is "where" is it?
I saw this picture posted by Grace:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8136/coronervancomparison.jpg)
Obviously the inscription is missing in the picture on the right.
As for the "6"...well I don´t know but it does not seem to match in the picture above.
Sheriff was pulling things off around the license plate. Was this one of them?
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Question: where´s the "Don´t abandon your baby" inscription and the blue arrow in the video allegedly taken by RTL?
Also the cipher "6" (on the number plates) does not match.
The "Don't abandon your baby" is for the morons who leave their kid in the baby seat asleep, while they go shopping, whatever. We've had many suffocation deaths of people forgetting the child's even inside the car! Even opening all the windows an inch or two (like you would for a dog), would stop the temperature from skyrocketing within.
The one rotund Sheriff was pulling tape off the back; perhaps the #6 was included, to cause people to flippantly discredit it. When the person in the blue coat or whatever, filmed it, you can hear background noise - and heavy breathing from someone almost being suffocated.
I've oft felt the "woo-hoo" was an additional track, to make it feel fake.
Tink, I am not asking "why" is there a "Don´t abandon your baby" inscription.
What I am asking is "where" is it?
I saw this picture posted by Grace:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8136/coronervancomparison.jpg)
Obviously the inscription is missing in the picture on the right.
As for the "6"...well I don´t know but it does not seem to match in the picture above.
Sheriff was pulling things off around the license plate. Was this one of them?
Hm....ok....maybe....he came back a second time to pull off something after he had pulled off the tape from the number plate.
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Question: where´s the "Don´t abandon your baby" inscription and the blue arrow in the video allegedly taken by RTL?
Also the cipher "6" (on the number plates) does not match.
The "Don't abandon your baby" is for the morons who leave their kid in the baby seat asleep, while they go shopping, whatever. We've had many suffocation deaths of people forgetting the child's even inside the car! Even opening all the windows an inch or two (like you would for a dog), would stop the temperature from skyrocketing within.
The one rotund Sheriff was pulling tape off the back; perhaps the #6 was included, to cause people to flippantly discredit it. When the person in the blue coat or whatever, filmed it, you can hear background noise - and heavy breathing from someone almost being suffocated.
I've oft felt the "woo-hoo" was an additional track, to make it feel fake.
Tink, I am not asking "why" is there a "Don´t abandon your baby" inscription.
What I am asking is "where" is it?
I saw this picture posted by Grace:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8136/coronervancomparison.jpg)
Obviously the inscription is missing in the picture on the right.
As for the "6"...well I don´t know but it does not seem to match in the picture above.
@MaryK - I have the answer. Because someone's gone through extreme lengths to cover tracks, and apparently someone's has the same professional level of software and computer power that I do.
Go here, to a higher res version of the door: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39EiwQh5T_Q&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39EiwQh5T_Q&feature=related)
Skip to 1:35, & look at the door…what do we see? NO BABY warning!
And the photos? Why Alice - they're BOTH an Illusion WITHIN an ILLUSION! And I've got the reverse engineering to prove it.
@Michael: I'll always hold your hand - fanboy.
(http://coolvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/cheshire_by_kikariz-d33r47r-992x661.jpg)
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I tell you what, depending on what screen you still the videos, the pixelation does weird things to the font on the license plates.
TS taught me during the Levels that video quality affects the image on the still. Poor video quality ( which is really all we have available online) is created out of a number of pixels. When the digital program decides what color to make the pixel of any given area, it chooses the dominant color of that square, ignoring minor colors. This can result in fonts being changed or minor details being completely lost against a solid color background.
This is California's license plate font, Penitentiary Gothic:
http://www.leewardpro.com/articles/licplatefonts/font-penitentiary.html
(http://www.leewardpro.com/graphics/articles/licplatefonts/penitentiary-fill-specmn.png)
It looks to me in the videos, as though the blue shirted man touches the van lower then the white shirted man, perhaps touching the plate itself. I cannot tell what he is doing but he definitely and purposefully touches the van.
Why would they do this though? What is the purpose of removing a sticker and possibly altering the van's appearance in some other subtle way like this? These are very small and seemingly insignificant changes; that one would have to look closely for in order to discover. What's the purpose for all this trouble?
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Tink, you are a deep digger...
You know how good it is to review old material?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related)
Watch! At 0:17, you see somebody strongly ressembling Doc Murray walking by Michael's car (in the tiny movie embedded at left). This could be the first document of Michael and Doc Murray together.
I cut a screenshot & one of the very rare profile pictures of Doc Murray's left cheek together.
The chin to neck part is identical IMHO.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22289.0;attach=3213;image)
Great catch! He does look like him. It almost looks like he's deliberately walking in front of the camera and backing up to be seen again. A question for you video makers, could his figure be added in later to the video to look like it's a part of the original?
Also if the cameraman taking this footage is of average height, holding the camera at eye-level, then Murray looks too short. Some illusion work by MJ?
On the theme of the hoax van video, I don't know what to do with TS' adamant claim that MJ was not in the ambulance but was long before at the airport (Jermaine's slip-up), thus not in the coroner's van either. My heart tells me MJ was totally involved all that day, but why would TS do this? /pull hair/ Is he cheating? :shock:
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I always thought he was up to some funny business with that whole ambulance levels. He never proved MJ wasn't on the stretcher even though it seemed he bent over backwards to insinuate such without directly stating it.
All he said was that it would be risky for MJ to be there, not that he wasn't.
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Ah, the 'levels' - happy days - piling illusion on top of illusion! We don't stand a chance really do we?!
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Yes we do, curls. Just got to stick with what you have already found to be true and don't let anyone turn you round. Brother.
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Tink, you are a deep digger...
You know how good it is to review old material?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related)
Watch! At 0:17, you see somebody strongly ressembling Doc Murray walking by Michael's car (in the tiny movie embedded at left). This could be the first document of Michael and Doc Murray together.
I cut a screenshot & one of the very rare profile pictures of Doc Murray's left cheek together.
The chin to neck part is identical IMHO.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22289.0;attach=3213;image)
Great catch! He does look like him. It almost looks like he's deliberately walking in front of the camera and backing up to be seen again. A question for you video makers, could his figure be added in later to the video to look like it's a part of the original?
Also if the cameraman taking this footage is of average height, holding the camera at eye-level, then Murray looks too short. Some illusion work by MJ?
On the theme of the hoax van video, I don't know what to do with TS' adamant claim that MJ was not in the ambulance but was long before at the airport (Jermaine's slip-up), thus not in the coroner's van either. My heart tells me MJ was totally involved all that day, but why would TS do this? /pull hair/ Is he cheating? :shock:
@Grace - It's such a great catch, can we PLEASE have a MOD start a new THREAD on this particular item!? It's also another item on the chessboard here!
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It's not up to mods to start threads. Anyone can start a thread.
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Yes we do, curls. Just got to stick with what you have already found to be true and don't let anyone turn you round. Brother.
LOL Bec, nobody's turning me round, brother! I just meant if we're not meant to work out the illusion (yet), we won't - more just gets piled on when we get close! But knowing there's an illusion in the first place is all I really need to know. The rest is fun party/ ...... or frustration /pull hair/ !!
'Because it's just a matter of time....'
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Tink, you are a deep digger...
You know how good it is to review old material?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related)
Watch! At 0:17, you see somebody strongly ressembling Doc Murray walking by Michael's car (in the tiny movie embedded at left). This could be the first document of Michael and Doc Murray together.
I cut a screenshot & one of the very rare profile pictures of Doc Murray's left cheek together.
The chin to neck part is identical IMHO.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22289.0;attach=3213;image)
Great catch! He does look like him. It almost looks like he's deliberately walking in front of the camera and backing up to be seen again. A question for you video makers, could his figure be added in later to the video to look like it's a part of the original?
Also if the cameraman taking this footage is of average height, holding the camera at eye-level, then Murray looks too short. Some illusion work by MJ?
On the theme of the hoax van video, I don't know what to do with TS' adamant claim that MJ was not in the ambulance but was long before at the airport (Jermaine's slip-up), thus not in the coroner's van either. My heart tells me MJ was totally involved all that day, but why would TS do this? /pull hair/ Is he cheating? :shock:
@Grace - It's such a great catch, can we PLEASE have a MOD start a new THREAD on this particular item!? It's also another item on the chessboard here!
Wow, nice catch
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4suhTv6Nxpg
Dont know what to think really. You have probably seen this before, but anyway, worth
another look I think? WTF??
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The one I saw Michael jump out of had no lettering under the number plate.
The video in question has no numbering below the plate! Confused Much!!
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I tell you what, depending on what screen you still the videos, the pixelation does weird things to the font on the license plates.
TS taught me during the Levels that video quality affects the image on the still. Poor video quality ( which is really all we have available online) is created out of a number of pixels. When the digital program decides what color to make the pixel of any given area, it chooses the dominant color of that square, ignoring minor colors. This can result in fonts being changed or minor details being completely lost against a solid color background.
This is California's license plate font, Penitentiary Gothic:
http://www.leewardpro.com/articles/licplatefonts/font-penitentiary.html
(http://www.leewardpro.com/graphics/articles/licplatefonts/penitentiary-fill-specmn.png)
It looks to me in the videos, as though the blue shirted man touches the van lower then the white shirted man, perhaps touching the plate itself. I cannot tell what he is doing but he definitely and purposefully touches the van.
Why would they do this though? What is the purpose of removing a sticker and possibly altering the van's appearance in some other subtle way like this? These are very small and seemingly insignificant changes; that one would have to look closely for in order to discover. What's the purpose for all this trouble?
@bec: Because this is the Rabbit Hole itself, where reality & fantasy blended, for a moment in time! People are buying into the elaborate effects laden fantasy, complete with what everyone heard & saw – but missing the devil in the details.
There's only one reason to mess with the plates: to make to make anyone taking photos or video after this last planned juncture, to look fake, and easily dismissed. They were in control of the Media, to the point of where the Coroner’s van entered the Coroner’s Garage.
Once the doubt was planted on the authenticity of the plates, people won’t ever believe anything else again about him being alive. It would take Michael literally walking into Larry King’s studio, to make them wake up.
As for the pixilation: What you mentioned about the resolution, is correct. It gave me a huge headache to pull in the tight and filter it,
but it revealed it all.
To be honest, I’m a bit surprised that I’m the first one to figure this out, who posted it - though apparently you say TS had alluded to it.
I did blow it up to work on, so you can see what all I found - just need to open imageshack acct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4suhTv6Nxpg
Dont know what to think really. You have probably seen this before, but anyway, worth
another look I think? WTF??
@annieareyouokannie - Please go back and read everything I've posted, okay?
And especially pay attention to the video I posted
above the CHESHIRE CAT on page one.
That's the photo I'm debunking, btw. It was faked in post op.
Photos vs. moving images are two different things - and there is absolutely NO warning about the baby in the other video. fresse/
My point's made on every other live video. That's a very, very bad cut & past job. Tomorrow, I'll show you how badly.
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Sorry Tink. I am a bit dumb, takes a lot of explaining for me to get it sometimes. Now I think I do, sort of lol. So the van that went into the garage without the baby warning was the van Michael got out of? This is the original van video? Sorry again.
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Sorry Tink. I am a bit dumb, takes a lot of explaining for me to get it sometimes. Now I think I do, sort of lol. So the van that went into the garage without the baby warning was the van Michael got out of? This is the original van video? Sorry again.
@annie - please, please don't call yourself that!! It was an intentional deception, that fooled the world!! bearhug
Yes; it's the real deal.
"Post production" means after the fact. They doctored the photos, while placed side-by-side.
I've been awake too long, due to eye strain. Just when I'm excited, I can't sleep.
You're not the only one who bought this intentional deception, the guy in the blue outfit shot it, and it's very real. They went to great lengths, to try
and prove it was "fake" and I pierced the veil of deception. Sounds like TS did, may have been the one who helped to stage it, or is Michael.
It's all coming around, don't worry. I'll post the image after I've had some sleep. Unless Michael himself requests I don't post my findings,
you shall see it. bearhug
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Turning back time to the TNZ blog ;) :
This is not a letter! This is what Appelhead Joe wrote on his channel before it closed down!
Yeah that's the one!
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=199.msg2283#msg2283 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=199.msg2283#msg2283)
i read this last ngiht on another thread. but he said something about his children and how they are aware of what happened, mentioned his siblings and Cassandra. This on doesn't.. did anyone see the video? I think the account is deleted right now, but I hope he comes back.
Right. This one is not mentioning Cassandra neither the thank you note to the great fans on his side, and does not mention even how a good fan should be <!-- s:? --> :? <!-- s:? --> and ehat about the Gilda clue? either it is or not?
Parts are missing.
From youtube and posted here yesterday
But first, I must tell you this: I have no idea, who Dom is. I don't know a person by the name of Stephanie either.
I Love my children so very, very much, they are aware of the situation, yes you did see me at Universal Studios. However, many sightings of me are false.
Omer wants to be left, alone.
Dr Conrad Murray will not be charged with a homicide, where it concerns me.
Dr Arnold Klein is a LIAR. I feel very let down by him and his actions. What he said was disgusting and dehumanizing.
I did not impersonate Dave on Larry King Live.
Cassandra is my friend and a very good person.
I Love my sister Janet. My sister Rebbie NEVER had a twitter account. La Toya is not a bad person. You give Jermaine a hard time, I think. Marlon, Randy, Jackie & Tito, they have stuck by me, so far and I thank them sincerely.
I Love my mother Katherine, she has helped me pull through thick and thin, never making me feel bad about myself, but giving me Hope. My father Joseph, is not entirely a heartless person, I just wished he would have cared more.
I do Love my family and most of all the Fans, you have to know that.
Without Kenny Ortega and Randy Phillips' help, I wouldn't have managed this. You will know more in due course.
Body doubles have been used. But were they used for me?
Elizabeth Taylor, she is like my second mother, I Love her so much. I Love Diana.
Evan Ross is not my son.
Chris is so funny, he makes me laugh even when I feel like crying.
I keep seeing "fedora hat man" videos and I want to tell you that I was not at the funeral, in person.
The 911 call... Oh God. I hate that you had to listen to that.
If you have been wondering my This Is It song was written by me. Anka and me had a plan.
Sony are not as bad as you may think, I wouldn't allow that. The new slogan has been done for a purpose.
The video I uploaded was me, it was planned to see how things can be interpreted and now I know some of you clearly do not know me, but say you are fans. I feel slightly let down and hurt by this.
Some also speculate on whether I attended my Press Conference in London, March. I did attend.
The ambulance picture was not real, I'm sure most of you realize this.
I was not in the helicopter, that was someone else.
In regards to the RTL coroners van video, some parts were real.
"I'm alive and I'm here Forever" & "Love Lives Forever," I chose this, when TOY - the Fans.
Liberian Girl is very significant. Don't close your mind. Please keep an open mind.
In my Movie, the Gilda scene was not intentionally meant to be a clue, neither was my hand gestures.
I do Believe in the 2012 theory, we need to stop all wrong-doings in this world and help to Love one another more and to show each other support, before it's too late.
Some rehearsals date back, quite far.
I have told you much, I feel compelled to do so as I will not be sending replies any time soon.
Please don't hate me for what I have done. I have Faith in you all, I Believe in you all. I just wish you would have Believed in me. Most times I feel isolated as though there is no one around to understand, to understand why I have done this. I can not wait to personally tell you all this. But the time will come, when I feel it is best to fully reveal.
I would just like to add a special thanks to those who have beLIEved in me on YouTube from the start (in no particular order):
sexilady72
124mikki
MJJ20Girl
TheLongislandgirl83
MJSONLY
TheMadoula
wishiwsmine
The comeback will be Great.
An adventure.
Love always and Forever with the L.O.V.E.
I must go."
From TNZ
I have nothing to gain or lose,
There are so many speculations and plain contradictions.
I Love my children so very, very much, they are aware of the situation,
yes you did see me at Universal Studios.
many sightings of me are false.
Dr Conrad Murray will not be charged with a homicide
Without Kenny Ortega and Randy Phillips' help, I wouldn't have managed this.
You will know more in due course.
Body doubles have been used.
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This Is It song was written by me. Anka and me had a plan.
Sony are not as bad as you may think, I wouldn't allow that. The new slogan has been done for a purpose.
The video I uploaded was me, planned to see how things can be interpreted
now I know some of you clearly do not know me, but say you are fans. I feel slightly let down and hurt by this.
whether I attended my Press Conference in London, March ,I did attend.
The ambulance picture was not real,I'm sure most of you realize this.
In regards to the RTL coroners van video, some parts were real.
"I'm alive and I'm here Forever"
Liberian Girl is very significant.
Don't close your mind. Please keep an open mind.
In my Movie, the Gilda scene was intentionally meant to be a clue,
we need to stop all wrong-doings in this world and help to Love one another more and to show each other support, before it's too late.
Some rehearsals date back, quit far
Please don't hate me for what I have done.
I just wish you would have Believed in me.
the time will come
The comeback will be Great.
An adventure.
Love always and Forever with the L.O.V.E
misha has only posted the parts that where in bold letters. the post was about reading between the lines and don't take everything for a fact.
so the things misha posted here the parts that tnz posted in bold an big letters... <!-- s;) --> ;) <!-- s;) -->
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=199.msg2529#msg2529 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=199.msg2529#msg2529)
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@Grace.....thank you so much for posting that......it's that hind-sight is 20/20 for me. You managed to put a smile on my face :)
I so appreciate you! I needed a jolt of memories like that. Whether that was Michael or not, it evokes a sense of peace within me. Sometimes, I really have to wonder if I knew myself through this hoax. I have not only learned so much about Michael, but of the values I hold dearest.......loyalty, trust, love & honesty. Those four things encompass my life...or at least I try very hard on a daily basis. Going through the past 2.5 years, I can honestly say they, that while they were always part of me, they have now been honed to a sharper point of realization in my life. So, whatever it is we are part of.....it's Michael's doing and I owe him a huge debt of gratitude. I couldn't ever repay that debt except to say he has my undivided loyalty, trust, love & honesty. This is the adventure of a lifetime........thank you Michael, God Bless you always.
Blessings to all...thank you again Grace....
PS> And thank you to the mods and Souza for this forum.......it's truly amazing to me.
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Well, to be fair, we were talking about white shirt guy pealing something off the back of the van @helicopter pad back a couple years ago, when van video first hit the scene. It was presumed that he removed the baby sticker. You see him balling something up in his hands to be disposed of like trash. That was where this investigation hit a wall though, because it seems so nonsensical. As I said, what's the point?
The point being deception and illusion, NOW, seems sufficient enough, considering how many years in we are. In 2009 we had no idea it was intended to go on for THIS LONG.
Neither did it occur to us in 2009 that these men might be in on it. We were more or less operating under the assumption that MJ would have had to pull this portion off pretty much solo... which seemed a monumentally supreme effort, perhaps unrealistically so.
Hense it pretty much hitting a brick wall.
NOW, to accept that these guys were all in on it, well, I'm down with that.
TS went on n on about how much RISK it would require for MJ to play dead under that sheet and fly around LA and hide in the back of ambulances and coroner vans... but that insistance always felt so disingenuous to me... we are talking about the most famous man in the world who just faked his death in a larger-then-life way played out on live national television and he's whining about RISK??? Come on. MJ ate risk for breakfast that morning.
Besides... what's the RISK if everyone who comes in contact with your "dead body" is IN ON IT???
And then the warnings about how the fewest in on it the better. How TS went on n on again how we can't explain everything by saying "well they're in on it". Ok fine, but... but if they're in on it that DOES EXPLAIN IT--so why reject true information just because TS shakes his finger at you and says it needs to be more complicated?
I think he was seriously fucking with our minds. Insert seed of doubt. Kill time for another YEAR(s).
I'm telling you guys, we had this shit figured out by October 2009. We just lacked confidence in self to realize it. HE sought to make us doubt ourselves. HE tried to turn us round. But the longer we go on here, the more it comes crystal clear.
Trust your instincts, because they were always correct.
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Bec
I think he was seriously fucking with our minds. Insert seed of doubt. Kill time for another YEAR(s).I'm telling you guys, we had this shit figured out by October 2009. We just lacked confidence in self to realize it. HE sought to make us doubt ourselves. HE tried to turn us round. But the longer we go on here, the more it comes crystal clear.Trust your instincts, because they were always correct.
Yep, lovable devil in disguise! Oh, how I love his beautiful mind! "It's an adventure, a great adventure! Nothing to be afraid of! We want to give them escapism!"
Grace, if that Insider was really MJ (which I doubt), then it was again only to play with our minds, with truths and lies--beLIEve.
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I don't think that there's anything on this planet which does not happen for a purpose.
TNZ was quite interesting at those times. They yelled too loud for my taste but they managed thought provoking attacks & questions that nobody dared then. Everybody was paralyzed by the loss of the icon and nobody wanted to consider the man. So no matter if that part of their posts was fiction or not, I think they pioneered a channel towards liberation of the man. TNZ was pretty "hands on" then. They saturated a huge number of followers in addition - thinking for them.
I would sign that some part of the RTL video was real and some part was illusion.
The sound track was making it really "real" at first sight.
But.
And then come the questions we tossed and turned many times since 2009.
I believe in the fake video originating in some RTL program conference for the only acceptable reasons:
they could have done it
they had the means to do it
they had a motivation to do it
they had the occasions to do it.
IMHO, RTL produced the video (and the "making of") for exactly the reasons they stated in the "making of" because it fits their character of a tabloidish TV channel.
This does however not answer why the Sheriff pulled off labels / tapes on the original van.
This does however not answer who ignited RTL's idea to produce a video.
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There's a reason this theory just won't die... and there's a reason I won't let it go like a dog with a bone.
It was an incredible illusion... and it will be an incredible realization when MJ comes clean. The earth will quake. Society will reel. This is what back meant. It IS the giant boulder falling from the sky, there's no stopping it because it was already done. The dominoes are all lined up... all V has to do is set it in motion.
Ok I'm excited again.
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Maybe I'm missing something or interpreting it differently, but IMO the pulling off of whatever from the back of the van lends more support to the 'jumping out of the van' vid having been created BEFORE June 25th, not after (or is that what everyone is saying and I'm just reading it wrong?). If the vid was made at a later late (after June 25th)...why the need to pull anything off the van? They would just have to re-create the exact same coroner van that transported the 'body' on the 25th. However, if the 'jumping out' vid was created 'the other day' (I vaguely recall TS commenting that the fake ambulance pic was shot indoors...maybe they shot the 'jumping out' vid that same day in that garage?)...then it makes more sense that anything that didn't match the rear of the 'fake' coroner van used in the vid shot 'the other day' would need to be taken off (hence the taking off of any stickers that were different or not present). I say 'fake' coroner van because there is nothing I've yet to see that 'proves' that it was the same coroner van in both vids. We see it entering a garage...but the 'jumping out' vid begins once already inside, with no date or timestamp.
If it was shot 'the other day', then MJ most likely was not anywhere near the place 'that day' (although I will admit that my initial gut feeling was that he rode 'pole position' that whole day). I'm not so sure anymore...but I am pretty sure that it IS Mike jumping out of that van, regardless of when it was shot.
With L.O.V.E. always.
P.S. I hate iPads.
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The sticker would have to have been added as a prop. You can't just pull a sticker like that off normally. Nope, they couldn't have *made* the van @helicopter pad match a van used prior by removing a sticker like that. It would have required much more intensive preparation behind the scenes.
This was done on live camera for a reason.
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The easy answer to "why" is because it's a clue. Like everything else, if you look closely enough, you CAN discover the truth.
Preventing entrapment. Lol.
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Bec, I agree with what you've said.
TS was supposed to systematically eliminate the various theories that were out there about who/what/if anything went to UCLA that day - TS said: "There are quite a few such theories floating around, and they all need to be thoroughly debunked for once and for all—so that we can see the simplicity of doing everything as real as possible, other than the very few things that required otherwise (such as the ambulance photo)."
TS attempted to 'debunk' the live MJ theory first, sort of, but had said as I quoted above 'doing everything as real as possible' which to me means MJ being there every step of the way. Directing, starring, being thrown around like a sack of potatoes (lol), etc.
So where are these other theories debunked by TS, if he (sort of) tried to debunk the live MJ theory? If I remember correctly bec, the most opposition TS received in that thread was from you and I as we supported (and still do) the live MJ 'theory'. TS is very careful in his wording and nothing he's written tells me that MJ wasn't there. It actually points to Michael being there, in a roundabout way, but written cleverly as to raise doubt. Maybe that's why he didn't bother to debunk the other theories.
I hope what I've written makes sense, the pizza I ordered arrived as I started typing this and the smell has been driving me mad and clouding my thought processes, lol.
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Yes, Andrea, we are like-minded again.
I knew something was wrong. But man, I felt so BAD picking at it like a festering wound. Especially when he started getting heated about it and suggesting that I (we) were being disrespectful for thinking it was all fun n' games that day. We never said we thought it was all fun n games, I thought that was a little unfair... considering he never talked like that before, it sure knocked the soap box out from under me a little, I admit.
Do you remember him taking that tone? Short of going back and reviewing the thread, I don't recall the exact phrase but it was sort of... dare I say, rude.
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I tell you what, depending on what screen you still the videos, the pixelation does weird things to the font on the license plates.
TS taught me during the Levels that video quality affects the image on the still. Poor video quality ( which is really all we have available online) is created out of a number of pixels. When the digital program decides what color to make the pixel of any given area, it chooses the dominant color of that square, ignoring minor colors. This can result in fonts being changed or minor details being completely lost against a solid color background.
This is California's license plate font, Penitentiary Gothic:
http://www.leewardpro.com/articles/licplatefonts/font-penitentiary.html
(http://www.leewardpro.com/graphics/articles/licplatefonts/penitentiary-fill-specmn.png)
It looks to me in the videos, as though the blue shirted man touches the van lower then the white shirted man, perhaps touching the plate itself. I cannot tell what he is doing but he definitely and purposefully touches the van.
Why would they do this though? What is the purpose of removing a sticker and possibly altering the van's appearance in some other subtle way like this? These are very small and seemingly insignificant changes; that one would have to look closely for in order to discover. What's the purpose for all this trouble?
@bec: Because this is the Rabbit Hole itself, where reality & fantasy blended, for a moment in time! People are buying into the elaborate effects laden fantasy, complete with what everyone heard & saw – but missing the devil in the details.
There's only one reason to mess with the plates: to make to make anyone taking photos or video after this last planned juncture, to look fake, and easily dismissed. They were in control of the Media, to the point of where the Coroner’s van entered the Coroner’s Garage.
Once the doubt was planted on the authenticity of the plates, people won’t ever believe anything else again about him being alive. It would take Michael literally walking into Larry King’s studio, to make them wake up.
This makes sense. I accept that's probably the answer to "why bother". Same with all the other clues all along. Why bother add the S to pain. Why bother using Liberian Girl themes. Why bother putting off the burial for 70 days. Why bother with having Paris do a speech at all. Why bother tweak the vocals on Michael album. Why bother layering a leaf image into the ambulance pic. Why bother having docs work on him for 2 hours 5 minutes in the ER. Why bother using Propofol. Why bother having hoaxers?
Why bothering with a missing sticker on the back of the coroner's van on a video exposing the whole hoax?
It's all to prevent entrapment. NO ONE ON EARTH will be able to say they were fooled so completely that it was impossible to know better. ANYONE can see these things and figure out the ruse. It's NOT a swindle or a fraud... it's a hoax, a prank, a joke, officially, it's fair play.
TS talks in double-speak. We've always known this. But after 2 years, do we remember that??
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Yes, Andrea, we are like-minded again.
I knew something was wrong. But man, I felt so BAD picking at it like a festering wound. Especially when he started getting heated about it and suggesting that I (we) were being disrespectful for thinking it was all fun n' games that day. We never said we thought it was all fun n games, I thought that was a little unfair... considering he never talked like that before, it sure knocked the soap box out from under me a little, I admit.
Do you remember him taking that tone? Short of going back and reviewing the thread, I don't recall the exact phrase but it was sort of... dare I say, rude.
I remember that tone, lol. It was though we had touched a nerve (figured it out). That whole period was such a defining moment in my hoax history because I finally knew what happened, or at least understood the events as I saw them. I had said at the time that it would've been such a thrill for MJ to be there every step of the way but it wasn't just about the thrill. It had to be done right, with everyone in their place and events going as according to the plan - it was what MJ had been so carefully planning for years so yes, this was serious stuff. The thrill would've just been there though, you know? how could it not? TS suggested reasons why MJ shouldn't be there and was trying (in my opinion) to lead people to thinking Michael had jetted out of L.A. that day. And yet not really leading because I also remember the way TS worded something, when debunking the sitting up in the stretcher pic, about how Michael didn't sit up because he would've had to come out head first and the leg mystery was solved. I was like, so he was there then, he just didn't sit up, right? lol. So ya, I sensed a tone I had never heard from TS before but the respect was always there. Perhaps a little frustration, maybe we jumped the gun.
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Well, to be fair, we were talking about white shirt guy pealing something off the back of the van @helicopter pad back a couple years ago, when van video first hit the scene. It was presumed that he removed the baby sticker. You see him balling something up in his hands to be disposed of like trash. That was where this investigation hit a wall though, because it seems so nonsensical. As I said, what's the point?
The point being deception and illusion, NOW, seems sufficient enough, considering how many years in we are. In 2009 we had no idea it was intended to go on for THIS LONG.
Neither did it occur to us in 2009 that these men might be in on it. We were more or less operating under the assumption that MJ would have had to pull this portion off pretty much solo... which seemed a monumentally supreme effort, perhaps unrealistically so.
Hense it pretty much hitting a brick wall.
NOW, to accept that these guys were all in on it, well, I'm down with that.
TS went on n on about how much RISK it would require for MJ to play dead under that sheet and fly around LA and hide in the back of ambulances and coroner vans... but that insistance always felt so disingenuous to me... we are talking about the most famous man in the world who just faked his death in a larger-then-life way played out on live national television and he's whining about RISK??? Come on. MJ ate risk for breakfast that morning.
Besides... what's the RISK if everyone who comes in contact with your "dead body" is IN ON IT???
And then the warnings about how the fewest in on it the better. How TS went on n on again how we can't explain everything by saying "well they're in on it". Ok fine, but... but if they're in on it that DOES EXPLAIN IT--so why reject true information just because TS shakes his finger at you and says it needs to be more complicated?
I think he was seriously fucking with our minds. Insert seed of doubt. Kill time for another YEAR(s).
I'm telling you guys, we had this shit figured out by October 2009. We just lacked confidence in self to realize it. HE sought to make us doubt ourselves. HE tried to turn us round. But the longer we go on here, the more it comes crystal clear.
Trust your instincts, because they were always correct.
@Bec - You were correct in Oct. 2009, otherwise why would someone work so
very hard to cause you doubt!? bearhug bearhug bearhug You had a Pied Piper in your midst.
Think on this: HOW many people are involved in a stage show, for Chris Angel?
How many people does it take to make ONE elephant appear before our very eyes, using his technics?
ONE HUNDRED people, to cover all 360 degrees - but that's only on the 2D plane.
Follow me here: a Dome covers half of a ball. That makes it a 3D version, of the old Elephant Illusion,
except it happens in front of live video from every angle possible, from the flat plane below
to the helicopters circling above!
That van's the final key to people buying it, making it "real" in their minds.
I've found additional proof, that does make this believable. Once the Illusion's veil was broken, everything fell
into place.
Must reiterate to all: DO NOT feel bad, because you all had a person or people intentionally leading you like the Pied Piper, okay?
I feel that this was a global puzzle for us all to solve, even some people definitely gone out of their way
to cast doubt.
Just going over some more supporting evidence, so it can be made clear as day to people.
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I've been bitching about being "held back" for 2 years. Like there's some series of timed steps we are supposed to follow or scheduled milestones. I prefer playing at my own pace so I bitch. But I get it. IF we are right, I get the reasons why we are being held back/led astray/purposely delayed, even though I bitch. It can be no other way.
Ps. Tink, I can't WAIT to read what you're gonna post :geek: :mrgreen:
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I've been bitching about being "held back" for 2 years. Like there's some series of timed steps we are supposed to follow or scheduled milestones. I prefer playing at my own pace so I bitch. But I get it. IF we are right, I get the reasons why we are being held back/led astray/purposely delayed, even though I bitch. It can be no other way.
Ps. Tink, I can't WAIT to read what you're gonna post :geek: :mrgreen:
The Sleeper has awakened. That's what the crazy lady said.
I've got practical things to post tonight!
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Good point bec - *IF* we are right, we've been delayed/distracted because the tIME for the truth to prevail hasn't arrived yet, for EVERYONE.
By everyone, I mean the entire world.
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This makes sense. I accept that's probably the answer to "why bother". Same with all the other clues all along. Why bother add the S to pain. Why bother using Liberian Girl themes. Why bother putting off the burial for 70 days. Why bother with having Paris do a speech at all. Why bother tweak the vocals on Michael album. Why bother layering a leaf image into the ambulance pic. Why bother having docs work on him for 2 hours 5 minutes in the ER. Why bother using Propofol. Why bother having hoaxers?
Why bothering with a missing sticker on the back of the coroner's van on a video exposing the whole hoax?
It's all to prevent entrapment. NO ONE ON EARTH will be able to say they were fooled so completely that it was impossible to know better. ANYONE can see these things and figure out the ruse. It's NOT a swindle or a fraud... it's a hoax, a prank, a joke, officially, it's fair play.
Why bother?
It is Michael's watermark.
If you wanna prove copy-right you gotta watermark it first.
In a materialistic world of "who owns the rights" it must be feasible to bring to the world's attention that there was only one possible source for the heat.
This is the only way out to cock a snook at the media and proof their dullness.
It is his art of pulling off (tapes, veils, taboos ...).
Blessings.
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I'm going to be posting the video links first, because it's just too much to hold to myself. The pan of what I'm showing you in this video, is indeed worth a thousand words. But I will warn you first that this is real Detectives and Forensics at work, so there's a potential ick factor. They've blotted out the grossest parts.
#1 The parking garage is for the living only, NOT meant for the Coroner vans with deceased beings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcLNPwJZveE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcLNPwJZveE&feature=related)
At precisely :46 seconds, there's a pan of a vehicle with a deceased inside the trunk of a vehicle, with other unmarked Coroner vans. THIS is the entrance for the Coroner vans. See how there's rows of rolltop double-garage doors!?
This is where they unload the dead onto gurneys. Just watch, and you will see. The doorways are large enough to accommodate the gurneys.
In the parking garage - they're only living human sized...
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Just because there are roll-up garage entries does not mean the locations are the same.
Mind game for hasty eyes which were many, then.
The "jumping out" garage entry is leading into the first floor, going upwards.
The coroner's "reception" entry is entirely flat. There's offices in the first floor.
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@Grace, thank you for the photo. I've tried to screen grab where they bring in the bodies with the roll-up garages, but it takes a separate program when you're not on a PC - and I just want to sleep now.
Here's part of what I've promised, and I do hope it makes sense! ;))
Here's my own comparison, which began to look like a football play. I shall have to explain it with additional photos and words: (http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2733/coronervanssidebyside1c.jpg)
This is my dissection of the two photos, like I promised. Oh, but what is this on the left, you may ask? It's Twiggy's photo, which also has it's own bucketload of issues!
My friends, it's license plate has issues of it's own, as do the stripes and the word," Coroner"! See - they do not quite match the vehicle Michael rode within, to the parking garage that day, even accounting for the time of day vs. colors.
Concerning the van in Twiggy's photo: All the other vehicles at the Coroner's office, should read at the top, "CA Exempt." Pretty straight forward, correct? It should be as clear as the numbers on the plate, with the resolution being the same, correct?
But that isn't what we're seeing!
Already they've been been rubbed with either the "blur" or "smudge" tool, within Photoshop, so you can't tell whether it's a set of real Coroner plates or not, when you compare them to the plates on the van that allegedly Michael rides into the parking garage.
On top of that, the numbers not only don't align with each other, they don't align with the license plate itself. I'm going to give you examples of how they should look, whether exempt or not:
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8736/caexempt5.th.jpg)
Normal plates for everyone else, should look like this:
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2945/caredtag.th.jpg)
For the resolution level on the Twiggy plates, there's absolutely NO excuse for the California Exempt status to be missing...(unless Twiggy's in on this, as is TMZ, and aiding Michael).
But wait - it gets more interesting...on the van that Michael's actually moved in, it has the "California" Cursive top, when you're able to blow it up enough to barely make it out. Definitely not box lettering! You definitely see the hook of the downward push of the "f", and the slant, btw. But those plates are supposed to look like this:
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4489/caexemptcursive.th.jpg)
Where's the Octagon, around the E?
And one other thing...I believe there's a reason for Michael to not arrive at the Coroner's office, until he did.
Listen to this, @3:35:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBP507iNv9U&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBP507iNv9U&feature=related)
It says, "Once a day at 4PM, the clean up crew comes through..." and you actually see them scrub the place down the walls...everything, along with sweeping, mopping the floors. Ship-shape.
This is more important than you can guess. THINK. What time was Michael brought in, led through the door of the living? Right! After 4PM! That means, after the regular staff has left, and only a skeleton crew's running things (pun intended).
Plenty of time to unwind, have a bite, and get the most scary part of all done: the photo on the metal slab done! Already, he'd previously shot on a gurny, most likely at his regular hospital - Remember, different gurneys, different hospitals! For all we know, he went to a county hospital in Orange County, which I definitely KNOW have those old gurneys!!
Back to the license plates: I have the "baby" sticker drawn around, on Michael's van. If you notice on Twiggy's, it's dark blue; on Michael's, it's black, without the border. Why was this emphasized? It's also not even, and appears to have been cut and pasted into layers in Photoshop. I've also circled the black circled, where the Ford emblem should be. There's nothing there, like it's been erased, or cut out.
I've yet to see it in video!
Can someone please try and help find a 480p version, or higher?
Thus far, #2 & #3 is the same van. Just the angle of #3 made it look off, that's all. Which is why I posted different license plates, so you can see they should all be lined up along the bottom.
Both looked a bit unprofessional - but I believe the original "trusted source" by the fellow who originally posted it, more than any other reason - because they didn't ask for money from the highest bidder. They didn't go to the media. They still were discredited, via someone going to great lengths and lying with doctoring Photoshop images. But I used custom filters to reveal this deception, along with pixelization not matching.
The plates on the #3 are the same ones on #2. Just someone doctored both sets of plates, that's all - mostly around the "602" on #3, using the Pro version of Photoshop from what I can see; it was cut & pasted, and looks more raised as a group. Like they took the 6 off of another state's plates, or doctored an 8.
Then, they went into #2, and made it look more different, and even used the pencil tool on #6.
Please feel free to dive in - just read everything first! We can't afford people to keep tossing the exact same videos, and trying to sandbag us.
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I've already run a search; he doesn't exist. So if anyone puts him up retroactively? I still caught him.
This is a 66 year old man, that is supposed to be a fan, on the Going Hollywood set:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm3c_l3wYyY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm3c_l3wYyY)
Pretty fly for an old guy.
But wait - @3:09, what old man can move THAT fast, and has been in nearly every flash mob!?
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The Sheriff was pulling off his gloves and in a second move handing them over to the driver in black uniform before both entered the van in the front seats.
starting at 6:10
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIAWNbvF5Nw[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIAWNbvF5Nw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIAWNbvF5Nw)
Another angle - in terrible quality but still - starting at 4:40.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiU90NLcvIE&feature=endscreen&NR=1[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiU90NLcvIE&feature=endscreen&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiU90NLcvIE&feature=endscreen&NR=1)
This is the scene again from another angle - unfortunately the Sheriff is missing.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9pjMRluFkU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9pjMRluFkU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9pjMRluFkU)[/youtube]
IF the Sheriff was pulling off some tape from the vehicle in addition, he just had put it into the glove knot for disposal.
Questions: what should a driver do with some used gloves when he should actually start the engine and drive?
Why would a Sheriff have to walk around a vehicle to get rid of gloves he in fact would hand to a man he's going to see in the front seats anyway in a couple of seconds?
IMO taking off the gloves in the public eye is a distraction maneuver or the scene has a meaning as such or the Sheriff just needed some more fresh air before finishing this job ;) .
Question: who was the corpulent black uniform guy jumping into the van and then walking away after the "what's up next" conference in the van? Was the leaving man the same man coming?
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FYI: We use left driver vehicles in America.
@Grace: the videos you posted aren't in better condition. But thanks for trying. This can cause confusion. You can't see the correct colors of the police officers! No one's wearing black or white at all. The Sheriff's department wears: Light olive shirt, dark olive pants. Police dept. wears dark blue uniforms, not black.
Like I already said: the heavy set Sheriff, is the one who actually DOES pull something off of the tags - apparently twice! I've seen it in different angles, where he reaches over and PULLS. He then gets into the RIGHT PASSENGER side, and rides. He still has the gloves wadded up in his hands, when he climbs in when you look at the higher quality videos I posted. He did NOT pass his disposable gloves over to the blue-suited driver. That just isn't there. They both enter the vehicle, holding their own gloves.
One dark blue suited officer meets Sheriff in the back of the van, for a moment then he's climbs into the driver's seat on the left side, and drives off.
Blue is for regular officers; those blue suited officers walking away on the right, drive part of the police car escort.
Also - so many people are needed to remove Michael from the helicopter, to try to gently set him down. Still a jolt onto the gurney, which may have been why it took 3 people to check on him. And perhaps why he looks deflated, upon exiting in the parking garage.
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Grace wrote:
Question: who was the corpulent black uniform guy jumping into the van and then walking away after the "what's up next" conference in the van? Was the leaving man the same man coming?
I wondered about the walking-away guy too. It looks like the Sheriff's action had the intention to draw our eyes to him, instead of to the black uniform officer who left. Plus camera zooming out at that moment, such a coincidence...NOT.
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The rabbit hole runs extremely deep. This is heavy, Tink.
For those looking for a summary:
THEY USED A FAKE CORONER VAN DURING THE LIVE BROADCAST ON 6/25/09.
You know what that means, right?
Remember TS saying "that's like [explaining the hoax by] saying the whole cit of L.A. is in on it". COUGH. We're all busy looking at Van Video and RTL video to spot the fake; totally taking liberties to assume that the one on 6/25 was real. Well guess what... but no one would ever think that because the whole notion is *crazy*. Risk? What risk.
He probably got them to do it by telling them it would be like a practice run for when he really does die. HA.
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The rabbit hole runs extremely deep. This is heavy, Tink.
For those looking for a summary:
THEY USED A FAKE CORONER VAN DURING THE LIVE BROADCAST ON 6/25/09.
You know what that means, right?
Remember TS saying "that's like [explaining the hoax by] saying the whole cit of L.A. is in on it". COUGH. We're all busy looking at Van Video and RTL video to spot the fake; totally taking liberties to assume that the one on 6/25 was real. Well guess what... but no one would ever think that because the whole notion is *crazy*. Risk? What risk.
He probably got them to do it by telling them it would be like a practice run for when he really does die. HA.
So wait, if this thread is summarizing that they used a fake coroner van on June 25, 2009, does this mean that the "Michael hopping out of the coroner's van" video uploaded on August 25 is actually authentic?
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The rabbit hole runs extremely deep. This is heavy, Tink.
For those looking for a summary:
THEY USED A FAKE CORONER VAN DURING THE LIVE BROADCAST ON 6/25/09.
You know what that means, right?
Remember TS saying "that's like [explaining the hoax by] saying the whole cit of L.A. is in on it". COUGH. We're all busy looking at Van Video and RTL video to spot the fake; totally taking liberties to assume that the one on 6/25 was real. Well guess what... but no one would ever think that because the whole notion is *crazy*. Risk? What risk.
He probably got them to do it by telling them it would be like a practice run for when he really does die. HA.
@ bec - Now you understand why I was in so much shock, and unable to sleep. A fake coroner van on the landing strip.
Like I said - the Illusion fell apart, once I laid all three images together.
Does this qualify as the beginning of a BAM!?
The rabbit hole runs extremely deep. This is heavy, Tink.
For those looking for a summary:
THEY USED A FAKE CORONER VAN DURING THE LIVE BROADCAST ON 6/25/09.
You know what that means, right?
Remember TS saying "that's like [explaining the hoax by] saying the whole cit of L.A. is in on it". COUGH. We're all busy looking at Van Video and RTL video to spot the fake; totally taking liberties to assume that the one on 6/25 was real. Well guess what... but no one would ever think that because the whole notion is *crazy*. Risk? What risk.
He probably got them to do it by telling them it would be like a practice run for when he really does die. HA.
So wait, if this thread is summarizing that they used a fake coroner van on June 25, 2009, does this mean that the "Michael hopping out of the coroner's van" video uploaded on August 25 is actually authentic?
Yes - that's exactly what I'm saying! It looks like the red tags, are what were uncovered on the upper portion of the plates. This was done to try and discredit anyone following the van, in case they got that shot.
Remember - this is Hollywood, and that video was of very low, very poor resolution, as if off a cell phone. Ergo, it would be easy to run through a video editing program, and reverse engineer a few details, and make it look fake. But some details are too clear. That's how I discovered that they went in, and messed with it. Also, pixels didn't line up, numbers didn't line up. Look at the plates I posted, and you can see that they always line up at any angle. Someone evidently wasn't good at lining things up at an angle.
They're starting with a fake coroner van to begin with, so how easy is that? Twiggy taking photos of the REAL van made it even more convincing. And like how reporters are today: people got lazy; they stopped looking - but I didn't.
And, yes; I'm holding a few more cards - just LOOK! Compare the color SHADES of what is there. Twiggy's photo to Michael's van - they do NOT match in say, oh, 2 specific targets. fresse/
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The rabbit hole runs extremely deep. This is heavy, Tink.
For those looking for a summary:
THEY USED A FAKE CORONER VAN DURING THE LIVE BROADCAST ON 6/25/09.
You know what that means, right?
Remember TS saying "that's like [explaining the hoax by] saying the whole cit of L.A. is in on it". COUGH. We're all busy looking at Van Video and RTL video to spot the fake; totally taking liberties to assume that the one on 6/25 was real. Well guess what... but no one would ever think that because the whole notion is *crazy*. Risk? What risk.
He probably got them to do it by telling them it would be like a practice run for when he really does die. HA.
So wait, if this thread is summarizing that they used a fake coroner van on June 25, 2009, does this mean that the "Michael hopping out of the coroner's van" video uploaded on August 25 is actually authentic?
Yes.
Well, yes probably.
Really, MJ could have filmed it any time prior to 8/25/09. It's the next scene in sequence following the helicopter-->[body]-->coroner van scene.
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(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/assome-etoiles.gif) --- This is how I feel after having read this thread.
If you guys have found the version that calms your curiosity, then I am glad for you.
'Cause I am still tormented on this mystery! :lol:
To be frank I've never succeeded to make a logical course of events/explanations
out of the whole ambulance stuff!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/non-desol%E9-987.gif)
I feel like in front of a magician that got a pigeon out of his hat
and I stand there wondering howTF he did IT ??!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/mini-evanouissement-284932.gif)
So I've stopped long ago trying to figure out the AMBULANCE (s).
I can't wait for Michael (TS?) to come out and explain his magic tricks!!
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The rabbit hole runs extremely deep. This is heavy, Tink.
For those looking for a summary:
THEY USED A FAKE CORONER VAN DURING THE LIVE BROADCAST ON 6/25/09.
You know what that means, right?
Remember TS saying "that's like [explaining the hoax by] saying the whole cit of L.A. is in on it". COUGH. We're all busy looking at Van Video and RTL video to spot the fake; totally taking liberties to assume that the one on 6/25 was real. Well guess what... but no one would ever think that because the whole notion is *crazy*. Risk? What risk.
He probably got them to do it by telling them it would be like a practice run for when he really does die. HA.
So wait, if this thread is summarizing that they used a fake coroner van on June 25, 2009, does this mean that the "Michael hopping out of the coroner's van" video uploaded on August 25 is actually authentic?
Yes.
Well, yes probably.
Really, MJ could have filmed it any time prior to 8/25/09. It's the next scene in sequence following the helicopter-->[body]-->coroner van scene.
@bec: Too true! Once you realize that Michael's van is fake, it all falls into place.
I worked almost nonstop on this for a few days, in order to not only solve this - but show you all
the proof needed. I'm a bit giddy.
Just think, what a great planetary adventure we've been on, with people doing the Flash mob
dances in the name of LOVE!
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I watched that series, Tink. What the host says at the very end is very interesting [starting @4:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBP507iNv9U&feature=related , he refers to the criticism the LA County coroner took following the OJ Simpson case and lists several changes that the LA Coroner's office implemented following that case. One of them was to treat every celebrity's death as a homicide, even if all the initial signs indicate that it's not, and another was that it would hold seminars designed to help Coroner office employees become better witnesses to ensure that, and the host quotes, "we must never again allow our Coroner's office to embarrass us in the eyes of the world."
MJ's death wasn't treated like a homicide for 3 days.
Coroner assistant moved items at the residence while documenting the scene and failed to catalog all evidence. She was also a terrible witness.
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Tink, Im having trouble reading your purple writing on the vans. There is also a white dot above the parking garage plate right in the middle. I cant see this on the middle pic.
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(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/assome-etoiles.gif) --- This is how I feel after having read this thread.
If you guys have found the version that calms your curiosity, then I am glad for you.
'Cause I am still tormented on this mystery! :lol:
To be frank I've never succeeded to make a logical course of events/explanations
out of the whole ambulance stuff!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/non-desol%E9-987.gif)
I feel like in front of a magician that got a pigeon out of his hat
and I stand there wondering howTF he did IT ??!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/mini-evanouissement-284932.gif)
So I've stopped long ago trying to figure out the AMBULANCE (s).
I can't wait for Michael (TS?) to come out and explain his magic tricks!!
@SimPatty - I'm sorry if you don't understand my explanation on how this Illusion's been performed
with a FAKE CORONER van, with Michael inside. You can see it clearly, from the photos I've compared.
@all: Michael initially outfoxed 6 billion people, to pull this all off. He must've been waiting for someone
to figure it all out. I just outsmarted the same 6 billion people, and I admit I'm shaking a bit to realize it.
If what SimPatty says is true, I guess Michael will contacting me.
Serenity Prayer
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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Tink, Im having trouble reading your purple writing on the vans. There is also a white dot above the parking garage plate right in the middle. I cant see this on the middle pic.
You mean the doorlock, for the back door? They all have that. As for the writing - I've already explained it, in that post. I just haven't bothered going back, and erasing the purple, lol.
I watched that series, Tink. What the host says at the very end is very interesting [starting @4:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBP507iNv9U&feature=related , he refers to the criticism the LA County coroner took following the OJ Simpson case and lists several changes that the LA Coroner's office implemented following that case. One of them was to treat every celebrity's death as a homicide, even if all the initial signs indicate that it's not, and another was that it would hold seminars designed to help Coroner office employees become better witnesses to ensure that, and the host quotes, "we must never again allow our Coroner's office to embarrass us in the eyes of the world."
MJ's death wasn't treated like a homicide for 3 days.
Coroner assistant moved items at the residence while documenting the scene and failed to catalog all evidence. She was also a terrible witness.
You see by what I meant, I found the bottom of the Rabbit hole, when I posted those videos!? I just didn't have enough time to write it all down!
It's just sooo obvious, that Michael's alive by this alone, see what I mean!? I felt like I'd opened up the EASTER BASKET!! So, posting links was all I could do, while just focusing on the Rabbit hole.
They had to retroactively treat it like Michael's case like a "real death" & "homicide" - most likely because Michael's life been threatened. That's part of the mystery.
Anyone notice how the Estate's suddenly switched gears, and started after Dr. Tohme?
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Ed Winters did come straight out and say that plate wasn't one of their vans. @Souza if you read this: remember that email?
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No, I mean there is a white plug or something right in the middle top of the number plate
in the parking garage pic of the plate. I cant see it in the other pics.
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Ed Winters did come straight out and say that plate wasn't one of their vans. @Souza if you read this: remember that email?
THIS is pivotal! Why wasn't a bigger deal made, or was this part of what was doubted?
bearhug
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Bec,
Remember TS saying "that's like [explaining the hoax by] saying the whole cit of L.A. is in on it". COUGH. We're all busy looking at Van Video and RTL video to spot the fake; totally taking liberties to assume that the one on 6/25 was real. Well guess what... but no one would ever think that because the whole notion is *crazy*. Risk? What risk.
So if MJ going to the airport is suspect, then also the big emphasis TS made on having as FEW in on it as possible is also suspect. I’ve long felt there is a boat load of professionals in on this. Not only does he have Elvis perhaps still pulling strings in the FBI, but MJ has many friends in high places, including political leaders, media people, heads of giant corporations such as Coca Cola, police and billionaires. Like any top secret operation, the ones at the bottom might know very little in carrying out their duties, and would be sworn to secrecy. Even things such as the mall owner who MJ said, closed his mall so MJ could shop alone and have fun—a tiny example.
So also is suspect the topic of Ben saying, “the other d-“. TS said absolutely no other day was the whole ambulance scenario played out. It just seems to me hard to believe all the intricate things that all involved had to do that day, could be done successfully the first time round.
Also does anyone remember someone way back claimed that the particular helicopter used was a retired one, no longer in official use?
And why did TS focus so much on the ambulance photo and drive to UCLA, and make no effort to get us scrutinizing the heli and coroner’s van, with its side video of possibly Murray?
SimPattyK
So I've stopped long ago trying to figure out the AMBULANCE (s).
I can't wait for Michael (TS?) to come out and explain his magic tricks!!
Sadly, I don’t really think a true magician (MJ is one) will ever actually do that. Oh he will toy with us and SAY he’s going to tell us, but then will simply give teasers and possibilities that MAY or MAY NOT be right… suspicious//
Thank you Tink for re-opening the investigation gone dry, and putting a new boost into it. I love feeling the old thrills of us all discovering MJ’s hoax details and connections! /bravo/
Bec, I’m always glad when you are re-energized and start doing your key observations!
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No, I mean there is a white plug or something right in the middle top of the number plate
in the parking garage pic of the plate. I cant see it in the other pics.
It's called a "license plate light." I saw no reason for addressing this before, since I figured everyone's driven
inside a parking garage, and knows you've got to turn the lights on, as soon as you drive inside.
So, this is rather unimportant - all vehicles in CA have them; it's the law.
@MJonmind: Why complicate things? This is HOLLYWOOD, we've got everyone already here.
Why not simplify everything, and use the usual casting directors for everyone? Pay people,
and they keep their mouths shut in exchange for EMPLOYMENT.
For Rescue 5 (that had already been Mothballed, btw), the pilots could be STUNTMEN.
Men & women in dark blue, can be movie extras, or off duty police. Same with the Sheriffs.
If Off duty, then they can legally drive their own vehicles.
We can fly people on Westwinds out of Santa Monica Airport, to almost any point around the world.
No need for any "ghosts of the past" playing a cameo. I seriously DOUBT he flew anywhere, btw.
Remember - Kenny & Michael were working hard at Post Prod., to get TII out on time.
The Masked Magician, he's the only one who will reveal any real Illusions - and the other Illusionists are not amused: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl3VTGk7_hQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl3VTGk7_hQ)
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Oh ok. Just cant see it on the others. Should be able to see it even if its not on.
Anyway thanks for pointing out the obvious to me.
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Oh ok. Just cant see it on the others. Should be able to see it even if its not on.
Anyway thanks for pointing out the obvious to me.
Not when the bulb is about the same size as a pixel. Also that's an upshot angle, so we're seeing up & under a bit.
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@SimPatty - I'm sorry if you don't understand my explanation [...]
I didn't say I didn't understand your explanation.
You just have a theory like so many others have theirs...
So far, IMO none of the theories managed to eliminate the mystery of the ambulance(s) trick.
[....]SimPattyK
So I've stopped long ago trying to figure out the AMBULANCE (s).
I can't wait for Michael (TS?) to come out and explain his magic tricks!!
Sadly, I don’t really think a true magician (MJ is one) will ever actually do that. Oh he will toy with us and SAY he’s going to tell us, but then will simply give teasers and possibilities that MAY or MAY NOT be right… suspicious//
[....]
Yeah, I think the same! and I'm afraid we will never know 100% the HOWs of this hoax! We will still be left with some doubts and uncertainties even after he returns! hopefully with Elvis!! bow/
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I recall all of this being discussed ages ago.
At no point does anybody pull anything off the back bumper. In this vid @5:32 you clearly see a white bumper sticker on the left side of the van (a "how am I driving" sticker):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related[/youtube]
Furthermore, in the above vid, the van clearly drives off with the sticker in place.
Here is a pic of the coroner van that supposedly transported Whitney's body and it also shows the white bumper sticker on the left (not to mention another on the right):
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01452/SNN1303C--532_1452472a.jpg)
On this still of the 'jumping out' vid, there is no left white bumper sticker visible (and neither is the one on the right):
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bo-rYiuEiY4/TzlLL9Ka_zI/AAAAAAAAAzk/366jjF-bTbI/s640/ambulance.bmp)
I can't find any better stills, but IMO it's not a matter of 'lighting' because the stickers are clearly missing in the 'jumping out' vid:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scYrCnTD5ag[/youtube]
IMO, they are two different vans.
EDITED to add: Also, take a look at the emblem on the Whitney coroner van pic...it does NOT extend beyond the "O" in CORONER. Whereas, the one in the 'jumping out' vid goes past the "O" and under the "R".
Or compare to this:
(http://www2.wsav.com/mgmedia/image/630/394/29860/jacksons-body-transported-to-coroners-11366/)
With L.O.V.E. always.
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This is Souza's summarizing post referring to the coroner:
Maybe a little off topic, but since E'cas and Craig Harvey are mentioned, I'd like to throw this in. I think we have seen E'cas more often in recent years than we have seen Michael himself. He's a good double and I think he is very capable of fooling the masses. Look at the following picture, MJ & E'Cas, or all E'cass???
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/761/42706680.jpg)
As for Craig Harvey: badkolo, Mo and I had some email correspondence with him back in 2009. I will copy and paste some of it here because the info might be helpful:
About why certain stuff was blocked on the death certificate (08/27/2009):
I am not sure why some of the information is redacted. The death certificate is a State of California document, not a Coroner or County of Los Angeles document. They set the rules on what they deem as “private or confidential”. I can understand redacting surviving family names and addresses and social security numbers, but some of the other stuff escapes my logic capacity.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Chief Coroner Investigator & Chief of Operations
About the fake autopsy picture that was on the net back in 2009, the one with the brain being removed (08/28/2009):
It is not a picture taken at our office. None of the protective apparel worn matches what we wear and the water faucet is brass and everything in our office is stainless. We do a “Y” incision on the body and this is a straight line incision. There is a person in the background wearing civilian clothes with no protective apparel which we would not allow inside of an autopsy suite. The sides of the autopsy table are higher than ours and it appears to be a fixed table and all of ours are slightly slanted and on wheels.
My opinion is that the photo is not authentic and I base that on the area of the photo where the brain is being removed and there is “blood” on the lower portion (top) of the brain, but the upper (bottom) of the brain is “blood” free. The person’s hands are “blood” free and there are dark lines under the decedent’s neck area with whatever is under the neck/head area. The removal of the brain would not be quite so tidy.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Here is email correspondence between badkolo and Craig Harvey about whether the body was MJ's or not. (08/27/2009):
Dear Mr.Harvey,
My name is *** and I want to apologize before hand for taking up any of your time. I'm Writing a report for my own studies and while I am sure theorists must be bombarding you with questions pertaining to the Michael Jackson case I have one question which I hope you can assist me on. According to documents, Michael Jackson was processed by you and at your facilities. Can you without a doubt state that the body that was handled and the prints that where taken are those of the entertainer Michael Jackson. Basically I am asking if you can confirm That Michael Jackson has actually passed away and the body processed was his.
I appreciate your time and I thank you in advance, ***
I can make that statement without any doubt whatsoever.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
OK so your saying that YES in fact you can confirm he is indeed dead?
That is correct.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
About the coroner's van where 'MJ' jumped out of:
That is not our van in the video. It is obvious to me that it belongs to a production/prop company.
California “Exempt” plated vehicles no longer have an “E” enclosed in an octagon preceding the number. Due to the number of exempt vehicles in California, the exempt plate is all numerals (I believe 7 digits) and the word “exempt” appears over the numerals, below the name of the state. The one exception might be vehicles owned by the State of California that may still have an “E” inside a diamond.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Ed Winter claimed in another email:
The vehicle seen in the video is not ours. We have run the license number and it is not a valid number.
So that was sent to Craig Harvey, asking how it could be that both licence plates are the same:
On June 25th, which van are you referring to? The one that went to the helicopter?
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Well, I also saw ONE van on June 25th... It went to the helicopter, a body was loaded into it, and off it went into the parking garage. I have attached a photo of it, and it shows the license plate with number 1236020.
That is our van and the guy in blue works for me. The license plate # of the van in the video is (from what I have been able to discern) 1276021, and does not match any vehicle in our fleet.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
I'm confused now. I already knew the van in the video showing Michael Jackson jumping out of it is not yours. But that video clearly shows the same license plate number. Are you telling me there were TWO vans on June 25th?
They are not the same.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Hereby a picture of both licence plates. I loaded the photos into Photoshop and zoomed in om them. What appeared to be a 3 in the left plate is clearly a 7 when you soon in on the photo of the van next to the helicopter.
I know the leaked video is a fake, but your office states that the licence plate number 1276020 is not of one of your vans. How come the original van from the live CNN footage has that number also?
The licence number on the CNN-van also looks strange, because the 2's don't match, the 7 is not straight and the 6 looks written on it, it's not round at the bottom.
Now can you tell me, is the van showed on the left (from CNN footage) your van?
Do you see the bumper sticker that says “Don’t Abandon Your Baby” underneath the license plate of the van near the helicopter? Do you see it in the video? Do you see our slogan on the side of the van in the video “Law and Science Serving the Community”?
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Yes, I see the sticker and I'm familiar with it. But...did you know that the man wearing black pants and a beige shirt removed it from the van before they pulled away from the helicopter? Please, have a look at this video, and pay attention as from 6.14 until 6.40. You can clearly see that this man removes the sticker, folds it in his hands and then gets back into the van.
Here is the link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo)
He took off his disposable gloves. The door opening handle is located inside the license plate frame area.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
But that leaves these questions unanswered:
I know the leaked video is a fake, but your office states that the licence plate number 1276020 is not of one of your vans. How come the original van from the live CNN footage has that number also?
The licence number on the CNN-van also looks strange, because the 2's don't match, the 7 is not straight and the 6 looks written on it, it's not round at the bottom.
Now can you tell me, is the van showed on the left (from CNN footage) your van?
I can't see an answer to that, so I think he never answered it.
About the DC and it not being signed by a doctor:
The issue as to whether a person’s death falls under the jurisdiction of the Coroner under California law depends on the immediate/suspected cause of death. In certain cases, a private physician may sign a death certificate and the Coroner need not be involved. These deaths are always due to natural causes. In other cases, by law, only the Coroner can sign the death certificate due to the immediate or suspected cause/manner of death, e.g. gunshot wound, hanging, accident, suicide, homicide, etc.
The term “under the care of a doctor” or “had a doctor in attendance” means on its’ face that a person had been seen by a physician for a minimum specific period of time and that physician had a medical opinion as to the cause of death. It does not necessarily mean that there was a physician physically standing next to the patient when they died. In most cases, ER doctors do not sign death certificates for the many patients they pronounce dead upon arrival or shortly thereafter each year at their hospitals. Either they legally cannot sign a death certificate due to the cause of death or they simply have limited information on which to base a medical opinion.
Because no physician came forward to sign a death certificate, the Coroner had to be notified. Even if a physician had come forward to sign a death certificate, the cause of death would have to be based on documented/known medical history and due to natural causes with no external factors involved. If someone had signed a death certificate with inaccurate information, other physicians who know the patient or family members could contact the Coroner and the Coroner could take jurisdiction if the information is found to have merit.
Lastly, the vast majority (99%) of physicians will not jeopardize their profession or their livelihood by signing a bogus death certificate. They have too much at stake should their fraud be detected and reported.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
After being asked why he said after MJ's death: ""I am here to announce that the coroner has concluded the autopsy for mister Michael Jackson" instead of on mister Michael Jackson?
It is probably mostly semantics. I suspect it has to do with keeping in mind that our clients are people first not an object.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Who is it?:
Dear mister Harvey,
I have seen your statement on TV about the famous Michael Jackson autopsy.
There is something bothering me about your statement. At one point you say:
I am here to announce that the coroner has concluded the autopsy for mister Michael Jackson.
Well, shouldn't that the an autopsy on or of Michael Jackson?
Can you confirm that the LA Coroner's Office actually performed an autopsy on the body of Michael Joseph Jackson (1958) in June 2009, or do you believe the autopsy has been performed by another coroner's office?
It is probably mostly semantics. I suspect it has to do with keeping in mind that our clients are people first not an object.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
That is understandable, I know that things can be taken differently. It's good to know that you still see your clients as persons, and not objects. But can you please answer my other question? After that I promise I won't bother you again.
Can you confirm that the LA Coroner's Office actually performed an autopsy on the body of Michael Joseph Jackson (1958) in June 2009, or do you believe the autopsy has been performed by another coroner's office?
I can confirm that the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner performed the autopsy on Mr. Jackson.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
You are a smart man mister Harvey, I thought you would say that, that is why I asked specifically about mr. Michael Joseph Jackson, born on August 29, 1958, died June 25, 2009. Can you confirm that the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner performed the autopsy on that specific person?
Because rumor has it that Mr. Ed Winter said that the licence plate number on the coroner's van is not a valid one and is not a van of your office.
I don’t understand what one has to do with the other.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
If the van at the helicopter as we have seen on the live CNN footage was not an official coroner's van, there is a big reason to look at all the other stuff too surrounding his death. I'm not saying he isn't, but a lot of things don't add up here. So I will try once again:
Can you confirm that the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner performed the autopsy on the body of Michael Joseph Jackson (born August 29, 1958, died June 35, 2009), or do you believe the autopsy has been performed by another coroner's office?
The van at the helicopter was an official Coroner van and was a 2007 Ford. The video depicts a Ford van, but there are obvious differences between that van and our vans. The van in the video is clearly a production/prop van belonging to a studio or company that provides vehicles to film productions.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
OK fair enough, but my most important question is still unanswered, let me try again:
Can you confirm that the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner performed the autopsy on the body of Michael Joseph Jackson (born August 29, 1958, died June 25, 2009), or do you believe the autopsy has been performed by another coroner's office?
Yes I can confirm that and no I do not believe that the autopsy was performed by another Coroner’s office.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Thank you, and of course I meant June 25, not 35. Can you also confirm that the body of Michael Jackson that you office performed an autopsy on was without doubt the body of Michael Joseph Jackson?
No answer after that.
With a miss Gonzalez regarding the leaked AR (April 2011):
I read some media articles concerning the autopsy result of Michael Jackson. Are these real, or again fake ones?
Also, why aren't we hearing anything about the second autopsy?
Last question. Since Michael Jackson's legal name is Michael Joe Jackson, instead of Michael Joseph Jackson, wouldn't that mean the death certificate is invalid? I found a document from the government where it says that ones TRUE NAME should be stated, with aka's if relevant.
The official coroner report for Mr. Jackson is available to the public for $82.00. Our Department did not perform the second autopsy.
If you are interested in ordering a copy of the Coroner report, please send the abovementioned fee to:
I don't understand. Wasn't the autopsy report already published in the media?
The media has obtained a copy from our office. I am aware that copies are floating around. You are more than welcome to look for it in that manner. However, if you would like a complete, official copy from our office, the fee for it is $82.00.
Silvia Gonzalez
Hello ms Gonzalez,
I understand, but that copy would be no different than the one I have already, right?
If I have questions about the autopsy report, who can I contact for that?
I wouldn’t be able to tell you if what you have is the same unless I took a look at it. As for who you can contact, that would depend on the nature of the question. If your questions is related to the autopsy, you may contact Dr. Rogers at (323) 343-0715. If the question is related to the field investigation, you may contact Investigator Fleak at (323) 343-0714. All other questions, please contact (323) 343-0512 and they will try and assist you.
Thank you.
Silvia Gonzalez
Do you know why the report wasn't sealed? This is a homicide case and the case is not closed yet. Is it standard procedure to release an autopsy report before a homicide investigation is completed? The report was obtained by TMZ pretty soon after it was finalized and the investigation was still on-going.
This is the copy I have of the report: http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0208_mj_case_report_wm.pdf (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0208_mj_case_report_wm.pdf). I would appreciate it if you could check if it is the report coming from your office.
Could you give me the email addresses of Dr. Rogers and Investigator Fleak?
Again, no answer after that.
I just thought I'd throw that in here, maybe it helps. Harvey denies there was a second autopsy, Gonzalez said they didn't perform the second auopsy. And I think Harvey's answer about the bogus DC says enough, i.e. read between the lines.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21319.msg372331#msg372331 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21319.msg372331#msg372331)
This is the original complete email conversation thread with Mr. Harvey:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=2162.0 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=2162.0)
These are interesting tweets by Mr. Harvey:
http://dianajeann.blogspot.com/2009/12/person-of-interest-craig-harvey.html (http://dianajeann.blogspot.com/2009/12/person-of-interest-craig-harvey.html)
We remember that the AR does carry a deviating seal
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5440.0;attach=924;image)http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5440.msg85526#msg85526 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5440.msg85526#msg85526)
109: Oddness about the LA Coroner: Craig Harvey. He is listed in IMDB.com as having worked on some film projects in the past. He also has a rather bizarre twitter page. Now he doesn’t have a “verified” twitter account, so he could be anyone. But what is interesting is… his first tweet came through on June 20th. So 5 days before MJ died, the coroner of LA decided just for the hell of it to start a Twitter account. Then his other posts are cryptic about MJ. How would a “fake craig harvey” know to start a twitter account five days before MJ died? And what would be the point anyway if he’s STILL only got 34 followers?
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=7145.msg116001#msg116001 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=7145.msg116001#msg116001)
Maybe we should again put some attention to the many men swirling around the helicopter and the van.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3168 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/../phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3168)
L.A. coroner has a budget and financing issue.
These are additional questions directed at the coroner's death business.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/jan/31/frontline-post-mortem/ (http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/jan/31/frontline-post-mortem/)
The Real CSI: How America's Patchwork System of Death Investigations Puts The Living At Risk
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/post-mortem/real-csi/ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/post-mortem/real-csi/)
Dr. Craig Harvey on IMDb (who appears to have found some pleasure in assisting in film):
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2004576/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2004576/)
This is his bio on linkedin:
Current - Executive Board Member at California State Coroner's Association
- Technical Advisor at "NCIS" - Belasarius Productions
- Chief Coroner Investigator at Los Angeles County
- Investigator at County of Los Angeles Dept. of Coroner
Past - Technical Advisor/Production at Vantage Point Productions
- Criminal Fraud Investigator at State of California Department of Insurance
- Technical Instructor/Patrol Supervisor at US Air Force
[...]
Executive Board Member California State Coroner's Association
September 2009 – Present (2 years 7 months) State of California
Executive Board member of the California State Coroner's Association representing the 58 California counties comprised of Sheriff-Coroners, Coroners and Medical Examiners. Involved with professional training, legislation and working with Counties, States and National entities to improve the medico-legal death investigation efforts in California and the nation.
Technical Advisor "NCIS" - Belasarius Productions
April 2003 – Present (9 years)
Provide technical assistance to writer staff during script development, script review and telephonic and occasional on-set production assistance to actors, background, special effects, set decoration and property master with respect to medical examiner functions.
Chief Coroner Investigator Los Angeles County Government Agency; 10,001+ employees; Government Administration industry
December 1991 – Present (20 years 4 months)
Investigator County of Los Angeles Dept. of Coroner Government Agency; 51-200 employees; Public Safety industry
1986 – Present (26 years)
Technical Advisor/Production Vantage Point Productions
2002 – 2008 (6 years)
Criminal Fraud Investigator State of California Department of Insurance Government Agency; 10,001+ employees; Government Administration industry
August 1990 – August 1991 (1 year 1 month)
Technical Instructor/Patrol Supervisor US Air Force Government Agency; 10,001+ employees; Defense & Space industry
August 1974 – March 1982 (7 years 8 months)
Technical Instructor at Security Police Academy (74-78) instructing in various aspects of Air Base Defense, combat skills, weapons, tactics and also heavy weapons, (81mm Mortar and Fire Direction, .50 Caliber Heavy Machine Gun and 90mm Recoilless Rifle). Awarded Master Instructor rating. Taught proficiency skills in Heavy Weapons in Pacific Theater (78-80).
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/craig-harvey/12/a75/3b0 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/craig-harvey/12/a75/3b0)
Just in case you missed this wrap-up of an "as-if dead" reportage:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNl6t_hkd8[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNl6t_hkd8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNl6t_hkd8)
I almost forgot:
Are there two bodies in the heli?
Why is the stretcher we see to be unloaded located underneath the staff seats and not at the regular stretcher location?
Watch at 2:12:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtZw-W6-4oM&feature=related[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtZw-W6-4oM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtZw-W6-4oM&feature=related)
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What about the inscription on the side of the van? It doesn't seem to be there in the "jumping out" van.
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4743/coronervanscomparison.jpg)
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I know we have discussed the vans in great detail a long time ago. We have had forum changes, perhaps lost some links or threads....I don't know. I remember comparing the vans and writing about the helicopters. There were many things pertaining to the The Great Illusion of June 25th, 2009 that we have thought about, written about and throughly discussed for months on end. I do, however, love this "classic hoax" investigation talk. That day was like none other. I think we have all done a spectacular job in finding the bits and pieces of the illusionary work. It's truly an adventure.....one heck of a rabbit hole. For me, the vans stand different. Which one is the real coroner's van, not sure. This picture of a comparison shows different lettering, one point of discussion months ago, but worth looking at again:
(http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/resources/ambulance.jpg)
One of the very subtle things that has always played on my mind, are the shadows of the day. Especially of the backing out ambulance at Carolwood. The shadows also at the helicopter site are odd to me for some reason. They seem almost fake...or too brightly lit. I remember researching the helicopters as well. There was something about that particular one...the tail number, model etc.....I will try to find my post about it.
Blessings
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This video gives the complete scene starting with the landing of the helicopter.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/video?id=6885264 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/video?id=6885264)
and this is a very good picture of the unloading.
Note the knots in the sheets that were visible as well in the videos about the coroner's office.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2450/3685995182_1927901f52_z.jpg?zz=1)
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2450/3685995182_1927901f52_z.jpg?zz=1 (http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2450/3685995182_1927901f52_z.jpg?zz=1)
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Michael is a fucking GENIUS! This is what I’ve been alluding to all the time. THE CORNOER VAN ESCAPE IS THE REAL DEAL. The 6/25 footage, an illusion for distraction. I still have questions regarding the lone plane that left the airport that morning in such secrecy, with one unidentified passenger aboard.
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In searching just now for something else, I came across this video...how does it compare, something seems off.....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9pjMRluFkU[/youtube]
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Just a note re: the helicopter serial number. I can attest that I have seen the flight report for that serial # chopper and it had NO recorded flight the day of 6/25/09, and it was indeed listed as "retired from service" prior to that date.
The inscription on the side of the van, under the stripe, is not visible in the underground van video due to lighting and resolution. It is sometimes not visible on Live CNN footage either due to bright lighting (sun), glare, and resolution again. In other words, right there on live, uninterrupted video, the inscription appears and disappears again. Go frame by frame and you can see that.
Ps. I also recall the seal on the AR is incorrect/not valid.
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Michael is a fucking GENIUS!
I fully agree!! Even with that word! :lol:
I'm not quite a fan of using "big' words, but Michael truly and ingeniously fucked up every body's minds that day with the ambulance, the sheets, the stretcher, the heli, the plane , the everything is the best Magic Trick ever!
The 6/25 footage, an illusion for distraction. [...]
ohh yes! that day...watching those helicopter images , my eyes covered in a veil of tears.... I was under the impression of seeing images from a movie!
Now the more i look back on that day, the more I have the impression of watching a LIVE David Copperfield show, you know his shows!! especially the plane stuff, and the MJ-air scene from This is it, reminds me of this Copperfield show!!
Just imagine Michael used the "Ambulance Vanish" trick, instead of Copperfield's "Airplane vanish".
The spectators have NO idea how he did IT until he explains .... ;)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwOV8zVRczM[/youtube]
Then seeing all the discussions regarding the ambulance, the angle, the shadows
that we see on those tapes, made me think of this Copperfield show:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g13HLeCy7k[/youtube]
IT'S ALL MAGIC-TRICKS! PURE MAGIC! Long live Hollywood and the Art of Filming
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OMGosh....my eyes are buggy right now, lol. I posted that comparison photo just now. It wasn't till I looked at it again right now.....I noticed the background of the helicopter shot on the left. What is that area? This is a shot of the unloading, the shrubbery in the forefront tells us that. There is nothing but shrubs around that lot. What is that grey area lined with metal looking stuff? OK....I am about to go off the deep end....but, remember in This Is It.....the rehearsals of They Don't Really Care About Us? Michael is seen walking into the large room where they are supposedly looking at the drill, he's walking in with a bunch of people..."Michael's here" is heard....they sit at a table to look at a video...I don't have time to go find the video right now....but, what I am getting at.....the background wall area of that room he walks into with all those people.......is it similar to the background we see of this helicopter? I have to go watch that video, and will....but there is something familiar about the background. I think we have missed a lot concentrating on foreground stuff.
OK....really gotta go, LOL.....life is calling......
Blessing to all
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Just a note re: the helicopter serial number. I can attest that I have seen the flight report for that serial # chopper and it had NO recorded flight the day of 6/25/09, and it was indeed listed as "retired from service" prior to that date.
The inscription on the side of the van, under the stripe, is not visible in the underground van video due to lighting and resolution. It is sometimes not visible on Live CNN footage either due to bright lighting (sun), glare, and resolution again. In other words, right there on live, uninterrupted video, the inscription appears and disappears again. Go frame by frame and you can see that.
Ps. I also recall the seal on the AR is incorrect/not valid.
A million yeses bec! This is some of what I was trying find.....I know it was posted about ages ago. THANK YOU : )
Yes yes to it all....the seal especially! Awesome bec!
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Yes Bec, I agree sometimes the inscription "disappears" on the live footage due to lightning and angle, but on the garage footage it really seems that the inscription isn't there, even with this lighting -- if there was an inscription we would see it IMO.
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1603/inscriptionx.jpg)
Something else pointed by BeTheChange I think is the size of the stickers in the middle of the left back door, they take more space in the garage van compared to the ones we see on the live van.
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@BeTheChange -
#1 - Michael's van is FAKE; NOT part of the Coroner's fleet! The plate doesn't match what they have. Ed Winter's verified it, in 2009,
according to the info people here had already had.
#2 - I've already said that it's the STICKERS on the license plate itself, not the big stickers on the BUMPERS.
#3 - I've also pointed out that Michael's people used Post Production techniques, to create the Illusion that the van in the garage is different
from Michael's van.
#4 - The rest was removed in "Post Production" the same way we do SFX digitally in Hollywood for television & movies.
Doing Special Effects on a moving item on low resolution? CAKE!
It's ever so easy to DELETE or add items on a moving van. So very, very easy. Watch any action movie, see how SFX departments insert things that aren't really there? That's all done in POST PRODUCTION!
The lettering, anything. Make the hinges white, shorten the arrows.
#5 Why did police officers drive the van, and NOT the Coroner's office? fresse/ I believe this further makes my point, other than it being driven into the human parking garage - not the dead body drop off area.
After that, have the German friends create another video, and Bam! You've got the perfect illusion, and no one will ever believe it again.
Never believe everything you hear; Never believe everything you see; Never stop believing.
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The "jumping out van" has no "Law and Science Serving the Community" under the blue stripe.
It should look like this and doesn't.
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/coroner+van+carrying+body+late+Simon+Monjack+LVlmYNUkWbfl.jpg)
This video has a smoke cloud we have not seen on any other video of the "body arrives at coroner" scene.
Nobody even reacted to it, not the police, not the Sheriff, not the chopper staff.
In searching just now for something else, I came across this video...how does it compare, something seems off.....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9pjMRluFkU[/youtube]
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Michael is a fucking GENIUS! This is what I’ve been alluding to all the time. THE CORNOER VAN ESCAPE IS THE REAL DEAL. The 6/25 footage, an illusion for distraction. I still have questions regarding the lone plane that left the airport that morning in such secrecy, with one unidentified passenger aboard.
I believe that's a myth, so no one would look for him here.
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@Tink
Ed confirmed that the van in the underground garage doesn't match their fleet....while confirming that the van at the helicopter pad DOES match the fleet.
Regardless of which stickers you were talking about, I'm talking about the huge white sticker on the bumper that is clearly on one van but not on the other.
The emblems on the back left door do NOT match on both the vans...the garage van's emblem is much larger than the Coroner van @ the heli pad.
As Sarahli pointed out, the writing on the side of the van in missing in the garage van....but is clearly present in the Coroner van @ the heli pad (I believe Ed also alluded to this...but can't be sure, will have to reread).
IMO, those are 4 glaring discrepancies showing clear differences in the two vans...strong enough points IMO that prove they are not the same vans.
You, of course, are free to believe whatever you wish.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Yes Bec, I agree sometimes the inscription "disappears" on the live footage due to lightning and angle, but on the garage footage it really seems that the inscription isn't there, even with this lighting -- if there was an inscription we would see it IMO.
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1603/inscriptionx.jpg)
Something else pointed by BeTheChange I think is the size of the stickers in the middle of the left back door, they take more space in the garage van compared to the ones we see on the live van.
Post Op, digitally removed, people. Thanks for the photos that prove me even further! party/
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Tink, how do you prove that special effects have been used? Because I can also say that Michael jumping out of the van is a special effect. :lol:
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I know we have discussed the vans in great detail a long time ago. We have had forum changes, perhaps lost some links or threads....I don't know. I remember comparing the vans and writing about the helicopters. There were many things pertaining to the The Great Illusion of June 25th, 2009 that we have thought about, written about and throughly discussed for months on end. I do, however, love this "classic hoax" investigation talk. That day was like none other. I think we have all done a spectacular job in finding the bits and pieces of the illusionary work. It's truly an adventure.....one heck of a rabbit hole. For me, the vans stand different. Which one is the real coroner's van, not sure. This picture of a comparison shows different lettering, one point of discussion months ago, but worth looking at again:
(http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/resources/ambulance.jpg)
One of the very subtle things that has always played on my mind, are the shadows of the day. Especially of the backing out ambulance at Carolwood. The shadows also at the helicopter site are odd to me for some reason. They seem almost fake...or too brightly lit. I remember researching the helicopters as well. There was something about that particular one...the tail number, model etc.....I will try to find my post about it.
Blessings
Those are the same photos I posted, hon - #2 & #3. NEITHER IS REAL, That's the point I'm making!!
Both have already been altered - LOOK at the one on the left: there's a black circle around the FORD EMBLEM. How is that possible!?
Plus, a black mark over the upper top of the #6.
The "Coroner" lettering doesn't match the actual lettering on a real van - look at what I've posted already.
See, when you start to compare the FAKE van against itself, it gets you nowhere, after Post Production.
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bearhug - Life is an illusion. It’s time we knew.
http://www.thegreatillusion.com/secret.html (http://www.thegreatillusion.com/secret.html)
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Yes Bec, I agree sometimes the inscription "disappears" on the live footage due to lightning and angle, but on the garage footage it really seems that the inscription isn't there, even with this lighting -- if there was an inscription we would see it IMO.
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1603/inscriptionx.jpg)
Something else pointed by BeTheChange I think is the size of the stickers in the middle of the left back door, they take more space in the garage van compared to the ones we see on the live van.
Yes, yes. This is how it's falling together! They pulled them a little apart, in Post Production, lol. A few adjustments here & there, to throw the Internet people off of Michael's back.
So easy to do, when you realize that Michael's van is a FAKE in the first place! The video doesn't like on that.
They made a mistake on this photo, btw. I'm laughing about it.
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@Grace....yes that puff of smoke was just one of the things that caught my eye.......thank you so much for grabbing that screen shot......I really appreciate that. You know a magician sometimes uses a puff of smoke to disappear....that's the first things I thought of with this particular video, lol. Poof! Gone...where'd he go..........
@Tink "hon"....yes, post production techniques could have played a large part in all of this. Yes, you posted that picture, but it was used a long time ago too. I suppose we have to agree to disagree in some parts of this. Perhaps that's all part of what Michael wanted. For each of us to come to our own conclusions, with respect for others views, and always in a positive light. I know we all get giddy over things...I sure do...giddy as a schoolgirl at times. I am glad I am not the only one, LOL.
Do you suppose that we are starting to see or pick up on things better now.......or is it that things are being released from different vantages/views now.......things not previously seen or written about. I feel like I am seeing things again in a new light......like seeing the background I mentioned. Who knows, lol. I think we will be astounded to no end....no matter how Michael chooses to explain or not explain. Investigating separately, and sharing together make this a great forum......thank you guys one and all. Kings to you again Michael, by now you must have quite the collection of kings.........
Blessings Always
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A fake van would be so 'Hollywood', wouldn't it?
I've seen it in countless movies and shows, where the 'BAD' guy (lol) makes his getaway in a fake van posing as the real thing.
It's perfect really.
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bearhug - Life is an illusion. It’s time we knew.
http://www.thegreatillusion.com/secret.html (http://www.thegreatillusion.com/secret.html)
This seems quite interesting....thank you for posting it! I will travel around that site when I can really sit and concentrate on it.....
Blessings to you always!!!
LOVE
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@Tink Okay, hold on a minute. I am extremely confused. I have a few questions that I would love for you to answer:
1. How can we be 100 % sure that MJ used a fake van if Ed confirmed that the van at the helicopter pad was indeed one of his company's vans?
2. In your opinion, what makes MJ's van fake? Can you re-post pictures comparing a real van and MJ's van with an easier explanation for me to understand?
3. Do you have any real proof that MJ's "people" used special effects on the "jumping out" video to make it seem fake?
If you can answer my questions it would be much appreciated because then I can really see where you are going with this! Great investigating. :)
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OK, I checked the strange photo published by The Sun.
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00834/SNN2904AA-380_834596a.jpg)
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00834/SNN2904AA-380_834596a.jpg (http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00834/SNN2904AA-380_834596a.jpg)
The key to astonishment is the "green fence".
In Feb 2011, there were hedges only on the northern side of the helipad area.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17767.0;attach=950;image)
Given the situation was the same in June 2009 (usually you don't cut half of a hedge but get rid of it completely) this allows only to shoot the picture from the north in the morning when the sun is rising in the east (and the chopper standing rotated by 180°).
Today, a shooting of the same photo would only be feasible from a spot on the roof over the trees to get some green in between. I doubt this would be a good place for paparazzi, since the coroner or the medical center nearby are not known to cut the trees to form a horizontal line, the paps would need an authorization to enter the building etc.
So either there were additional hedges in the south of the helipad in 2009 or the photo was taken from the north (with opposite direction of the chopper).
Either way, it was taken by professionals given the quality and image structure. We may wonder why it said "Splash News" in some publication and not "NPG". We may also wonder how paps could sneak in the (gate open) area with all the security and police around.
This is what the area looks like on google maps, today.
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OK, I checked the strange photo published by The Sun.
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00834/SNN2904AA-380_834596a.jpg)
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00834/SNN2904AA-380_834596a.jpg (http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00834/SNN2904AA-380_834596a.jpg)
The key to astonishment is the "green fence".
In Feb 2011, there were hedges only on the northern side of the helipad area.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17767.0;attach=950;image)
Given the situation was the same in June 2009 (usually you don't cut half of a hedge but get rid of it completely) this allows only to shoot the picture from the north in the morning when the sun is rising in the east (and the chopper standing rotated by 180°).
Today, a shooting of the same photo would only be feasible from a spot on the roof over the trees to get some green in between. I doubt this would be a good place for paparazzi, since the coroner or the medical center nearby are not known to cut the trees to form a horizontal line, the paps would need an authorization to enter the building etc.
So either there were additional hedges in the south of the helipad in 2009 or the photo was taken from the north (with opposite direction of the chopper).
Either way, it was taken by professionals given the quality and image structure. We may wonder why it said "Splash News" in some publication and not "NPG". We may also wonder how paps could sneak in the (gate open) area with all the security and police around.
This is what the area looks like on google maps, today.
On the february 2011 pic, i see green shrubbery where it would have been according to that pic from the Sun. If you reverse your pink arrow on the helipad its almost pointing to it, a bit to the right of the grey building. I rememberback then (sounds like we're talking decades ago lol) i google streetviewed that location coz i could'nt figure how splash got so close to take that pic, i had'nt stopped to think they could have used a telelens!
I'm really enjoying this thread, it's like starting out all over again but as someone pointed out, we're seeing things with more experience to see stuff we would'nt have picked up on before, or maybe as Bec said we had it pretty much figured out by october 09 but did'nt have the balls to be sure enough about it!
Craig Harvey and the plate number not even belonging to their fleet, well there must be some way to find out if it actually does or does'nt, but twiggy's pic shows that van with that plate nr parked by the coroners building so what gives Mr Harvey!??
Long time no hearing nothing from TS if i'm not mistaken too, he should come and join in!
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@Grace....yes that puff of smoke was just one of the things that caught my eye.......thank you so much for grabbing that screen shot......I really appreciate that. You know a magician sometimes uses a puff of smoke to disappear....that's the first things I thought of with this particular video, lol. Poof! Gone...where'd he go..........
I love your comment!! .... magician smoke POOF! Gone! YEP!! :lol: :lol:
Perhaps that's all part of what Michael wanted. For each of us to come to our own conclusions, with respect for others views, and always in a positive light. [...] I feel like I am seeing things again in a new light......like seeing the background I mentioned. Who knows, lol. I think we will be astounded to no end....no matter how Michael chooses to explain or not explain. Investigating separately, and sharing together make this a great forum......thank you guys one and all. Kings to you again Michael, by now you must have quite the collection of kings.........
Blessings Always
God bless you Wishingstar ! bearhug
A fake van would be so 'Hollywood', wouldn't it?
I've seen it in countless movies and shows, where the 'BAD' guy (lol) makes his getaway in a fake van posing as the real thing.
It's perfect really.
Yessss! perfect!!
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Yes Bec, I agree sometimes the inscription "disappears" on the live footage due to lightning and angle, but on the garage footage it really seems that the inscription isn't there, even with this lighting -- if there was an inscription we would see it IMO.
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1603/inscriptionx.jpg)
Something else pointed by BeTheChange I think is the size of the stickers in the middle of the left back door, they take more space in the garage van compared to the ones we see on the live van.
Yes, yes. This is how it's falling together! They pulled them a little apart, in Post Production, lol. A few adjustments here & there, to throw the Internet people off of Michael's back.
So easy to do, when you realize that Michael's van is a FAKE in the first place! The video doesn't like on that.
They made a mistake on this photo, btw. I'm laughing about it.
I'm curious to know which mistake?
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@Sarahli: This mistake ;))
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2208/coronergaragelg2.jpg)
@All SEE the blue hinge on the left, not modified!? The right one that's white was "color picked," then just painted in,
inside of what I perceive to be most likely Photoshop/After Effects. The flatness/singleness of this color, where there should
be many variances, just blows my mind. It doesn't match the surrounding white pixels at all. Just flat white, with squiggles!
This was intended to be found!
Here's the other photo, full of Easter Eggs:
(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3162/4coronervanscompar1copy.jpg)
I'm trying to make decades of working with this sound easy - but it wasn't easy. It's all very technical, but I'm doing
my best to translate it.
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OK, I checked the strange photo published by The Sun.
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00834/SNN2904AA-380_834596a.jpg)
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00834/SNN2904AA-380_834596a.jpg (http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00834/SNN2904AA-380_834596a.jpg)
The key to astonishment is the "green fence".
In Feb 2011, there were hedges only on the northern side of the helipad area.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17767.0;attach=950;image)
Given the situation was the same in June 2009 (usually you don't cut half of a hedge but get rid of it completely) this allows only to shoot the picture from the north in the morning when the sun is rising in the east (and the chopper standing rotated by 180°).
Today, a shooting of the same photo would only be feasible from a spot on the roof over the trees to get some green in between. I doubt this would be a good place for paparazzi, since the coroner or the medical center nearby are not known to cut the trees to form a horizontal line, the paps would need an authorization to enter the building etc.
So either there were additional hedges in the south of the helipad in 2009 or the photo was taken from the north (with opposite direction of the chopper).
Either way, it was taken by professionals given the quality and image structure. We may wonder why it said "Splash News" in some publication and not "NPG". We may also wonder how paps could sneak in the (gate open) area with all the security and police around.
This is what the area looks like on google maps, today.
On the february 2011 pic, i see green shrubbery where it would have been according to that pic from the Sun. If you reverse your pink arrow on the helipad its almost pointing to it, a bit to the right of the grey building. I rememberback then (sounds like we're talking decades ago lol) i google streetviewed that location coz i could'nt figure how splash got so close to take that pic, i had'nt stopped to think they could have used a telelens!
I'm really enjoying this thread, it's like starting out all over again but as someone pointed out, we're seeing things with more experience to see stuff we would'nt have picked up on before, or maybe as Bec said we had it pretty much figured out by october 09 but did'nt have the balls to be sure enough about it!
Craig Harvey and the plate number not even belonging to their fleet, well there must be some way to find out if it actually does or does'nt, but twiggy's pic shows that van with that plate nr parked by the coroners building so what gives Mr Harvey!??
Long time no hearing nothing from TS if i'm not mistaken too, he should come and join in!
Twiggy took photos of a REAL Coroner van, this is true; but WHO changed the numbers on the plate of it? Did she put stickers over it, like I pointed out that two numbers are indeed crooked? Or was it done in Post?
See: Only that particular van is real...with fake numbers, added by Twiggy or someone in Post!
And I've got the balls - they're called breasts! I wear them proud, on top of my chest. ;))
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The quality of Van Video was always so frustratingly horrifying.
Neither van is real. I think that's the only detail that matters. CNN Van's plate is bogus. That's totally new, all credit to Tink for that one. No wonder Ed Winter said the plate isn't one of his vans. That statement of his was always confoundingly perplexing.
Van Video sure was set up perfectly, with dark clothed guy running into the garage behind the van on CNN's footage. That's really what makes it real for me. It's too perfect to be anything but staged. If this guy was the paps, or anyone else really, he would have sold that tape. If it was real, it could be PROVED REAL, no one should have any fear announcing it to the world. That's like saying, I filmed a Bigfoot walking through my backyard on close up film for several uninterrupted seconds but no one will ever believe it so I'll remain incognito and just put it up anonymously for public debate... come on.
Van Video could have easily been shot later and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me. The date on the "Official Autopsy Photo" submitted in court is the date that Van Video was upload to live leak, the day hoaxers celebrated true unified confidence for the first time, really. MJ pretty much put his stamp of approval on Van Video with that date on his pic. In my opinion of course, that's all that matters... and it's quite a sign.
Oh, and now I know why they uploaded it to live leak, you can't seek a certain spot on the tape, or fast forward or review like you can on YouTube. Makes it damn near impossible to capture a specific still. GRR/
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To me, this is a sign that:
-LAPD is solidly in on it
-LA Coroner office is so deep in it they're drowning
We already know the LAFD are in on it via the Paramedic involvement. That and considering UCLA is owned by the State of California, yes, I suppose you could say the whole state of California is in on it.
It really does make sense. One would imagine that in order to do this legally, MJ would need to make an appointment with all these entities to inform him of his [schemes and] plans.
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Or maybe I'm just crazy because it really doesn't sound crazy to me anymore.
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The quality of Van Video was always so frustratingly horrifying.
Neither van is real. I think that's the only detail that matters. CNN Van's plate is bogus. That's totally new, all credit to Tink for that one. No wonder Ed Winter said the plate isn't one of his vans. That statement of his was always confoundingly perplexing.
Van Video sure was set up perfectly, with dark clothed guy running into the garage behind the van on CNN's footage. That's really what makes it real for me. It's too perfect to be anything but staged. If this guy was the paps, or anyone else really, he would have sold that tape. If it was real, it could be PROVED REAL, no one should have any fear announcing it to the world. That's like saying, I filmed a Bigfoot walking through my backyard on close up film for several uninterrupted seconds but no one will ever believe it so I'll remain incognito and just put it up anonymously for public debate... come on.
Van Video could have easily been shot later and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me. The date on the "Official Autopsy Photo" submitted in court is the date that Van Video was upload to live leak, the day hoaxers celebrated true unified confidence for the first time, really. MJ pretty much put his stamp of approval on Van Video with that date on his pic. In my opinion of course, that's all that matters... and it's quite a sign.
Oh, and now I know why they uploaded it to live leak, you can't seek a certain spot on the tape, or fast forward or review like you can on YouTube. Makes it damn near impossible to capture a specific still. GRR/
@bec: Thank you. You're not crazy - think of it like SFX for a movie. That's exactly the mindset I used, to unwrap this.
When I was poking around on the garage van video, I saw someone distinctly saying, they got it from a reliable source. They then got
made fun of.
I've got the 3D software, and how to put Photoshop skins even into production videos. I've been swinging Photoshop alone, since 1990s.
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Hey, 2012 is the year of the Signs, I'd call this a Sign.
Ps. If Van Video were fake, who's the dark clothed guy running in after the van on CNN's live footage? What did he see? Where's his pics? What's his story? Who is he? Why was he in exactly the right place at exactly the right time? All mysteries.
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Hey, 2012 is the year of the Signs, I'd call this a Sign.
Ps. If Van Video were fake, who's the dark clothed guy running in after the van on CNN's live footage? What did he see? Where's his pics? What's his story? Who is he? Why was he in exactly the right place at exactly the right time? All mysteries.
I've a theory about that: they were made aware of the dude running in after them, and that's why everyone was inside the van, right after the helicopter landed. I think Rescue 5 may have told them about him! They either were radioed, or saw him themselves.
Re-watch the video, and it all makes sense. Either that, or they had their own people watching that entrance and spied him.
Oh, wait! The dude pulling that plain white van forward, so Michael's van could pull into the garage! He must've seen him on the ground.
Ergo, Michael made the decision to go ahead and let him film him. He changed his walk - remember Michael in the white fatman suit? He KNOWS how to act!
After the guy left, and the helicopters had gone, they simply shot their own footage of Michael getting out of the van, by simply doing their own re-enactment.
That's when they started to work on the video, and were ready for when that guy tried to market his video: Michael beat him to the punch,
with it already doctored and ready to go.
Back-track, to go Forward. It's following your own footsteps, retracing them, to throw off those in pursuit. An updated version, I'd say.
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Let's look at it this way starting with the props.
Why would MJ need a more or less "typical" MJ wig when going into hiding?
Usually typical clothing / style is being worn when you want to be identified in a specific context.
The objective of the video was "identification" of a leg bending MJ or did identification happen by accident?
Does this identification need MJ starring? Not really. There's enough wannabees and wigs out there to do the job.
If we consider the identification happened by accident because somebody sneaked in and took the video in a "forbidden" environment when everything happening was true (MJ being there) - this reasoning fails due to the "wig and hiding" paradox.
If we consider the identification happened on purpose because it was meant to happen to have somebody film the scene - then MJ did not have to be there and would not have been there because it's not a high profile job but a lookalike dude's job to stand in.
I refuse to consider blurry videos or pixeled photographs as clear evidence or wonder how blurry pixels were manipulated. Of course the whole video was manipulated. This does not prove or disprove that MJ or anybody else is the director of the manipulation.
However, I have seen with my eyes that the garage entry of the "jumping out" video is not the coroner's garage entry and that the "making of" by RTL is exactly fitting the "jumping out" video. Two locations and three videos.
I refuse to consider deviating stickers or "not in line" numbers on a plate as evidence.
If you check google maps, the coroner vans are lined up at the outside fence of the area. You will notice that neither the stickers nor any plate is accurately applied or done. This is the result of men's work (in the context of robotic precision). They operate a fleet and each van is unique if you look closely.
Would they exchange plates for a high level case to throw folks off? Yes, I'd say they would do this.
It doesn't make any sense for the short distance to the garage though, but preventing from media falsification of facts? Well, if I falsify my stuff myself, at least I have the falsification under control.
Whatever the Sheriff pulled off the van in public only confirms that he's aware and "in" in hiding and preparing a wrong trail for the media or any other harpy wanting to cheat around. This does not mean he's "in" the project of MJ.
Finally: the "jumping out" van should be a white Ford E250 with 2 doors opening to the outside.
This model is rare but not impossible to find in Europe, although vans produced for Europe usually have sliding doors.
The plate they showed being put on the "jumping out" van is one that could be bought in a tourist's store. Punching the numbers could have been done in the U.S. and the plate arrived by letter post. A call could be sufficient to get a plate from the U.S.
The font not meeting Californian standard could mean the source was not "clean" or the plate came from another state.
U.S. forces in Europe have to meet the respective country's legal standards. This gives an impression of the fonts used for civil plates in Germany i.e.:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FE-Schrift (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FE-Schrift)
This applies for U.S. forces:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfz-Kennzeichen_der_US-Streitkr%C3%A4fte_in_Deutschland (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfz-Kennzeichen_der_US-Streitkr%C3%A4fte_in_Deutschland)
We should not exclude that RTL is a TV production company producing American crime soaps all the time.
They have all means and contacts at hand. They could definitely have executed the "jumping out".
Does not mean that MJ did not direct them to do so but I do not consider him jumping out of the van.
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Finally: the "jumping out" van should be a white Ford E250 with 2 doors opening to the outside.
This model is rare but not impossible to find in Europe, although vans produced for Europe usually have sliding doors.
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How do you know this?
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Finally: the "jumping out" van should be a white Ford E250 with 2 doors opening to the outside.
This model is rare but not impossible to find in Europe, although vans produced for Europe usually have sliding doors.
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How do you know this?
I'd like to know that too.
Usually only dudes are into specs and such. :geek:
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@Sarahli: This mistake ;))
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2208/coronergaragelg2.jpg)
@All SEE the blue hinge on the left, not modified!? The right one that's white was "color picked," then just painted in,
inside of what I perceive to be most likely Photoshop/After Effects. The flatness/singleness of this color, where there should
be many variances, just blows my mind. It doesn't match the surrounding white pixels at all. Just flat white, with squiggles!
This was intended to be found!
Well, this photo is just a screenshot I took from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOCO3qsQMTgand and the left hinge is clearly white, in the screenshot as well even if not clear at all.
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Finally: the "jumping out" van should be a white Ford E250 with 2 doors opening to the outside.
This model is rare but not impossible to find in Europe, although vans produced for Europe usually have sliding doors.
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How do you know this?
Consumer taste and technical requirements differ from country to country.
What sells in France does not necessarily sell in the UK and it's not only the steering wheel.
California still isn't the world's bellybutton - there's more variation to life than this.
If dudes like tech does not mean ladies cannot get into it as well.
Observation skills and knowledge are not dependent on sex, shoe size or hair colour. Thank God. ;)
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I suppose ,one way or another, we're going to have to find out if there is, to this day, a coroner van with that plate number in their fleet. Anyone in the neighbourhood up to go staking the place out? If what Craig Harvey said about him checking and that plate number not being a part of their fleet, then well i'm just flabbergasted!
I mean why the hell would he even entertain the idea of checking it up let alone actually do it and email back those who asked about it?! So short of hanging around the coroners building, or emailing the office about this again, how else can we find out what we need to know? This has got me all excited again! Thanks Tink for upping the ante!!
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Right, so i just visited the coroners parking lot ( via streetview that is!) well plenty of vans to be seen though no plates were readable. View was taken in 2009 , watermark. Hinges on all vans definately blue. Hinges on "jumping out van video" both white , clearly seen in the video.
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Craig did not say that the van at the helicopter was not part of their fleet...I'm not sure if people are misinterpreting what he wrote but it's clear that the van he is saying is 'fake' is the 'jumping out' van, NOT the CNN one. Of course, he may be lying or just covering something up....but according to this email exchange, at NO point does he claim that the CNN van is fake....but rather points out why the 'jumping out' one is fake.
About the coroner's van where 'MJ' jumped out of:
That is not our van in the video [he is talking about the 'jumping out' van here]. It is obvious to me that it belongs to a production/prop company.
California “Exempt” plated vehicles no longer have an “E” enclosed in an octagon preceding the number. Due to the number of exempt vehicles in California, the exempt plate is all numerals (I believe 7 digits) and the word “exempt” appears over the numerals, below the name of the state. The one exception might be vehicles owned by the State of California that may still have an “E” inside a diamond.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Ed Winter claimed in another email:
The vehicle seen in the video is not ours [again, talking about the 'jumping out' van, not the CNN one. If that's not clear, it becomes more clear as you keep reading his responses]. We have run the license number and it is not a valid number.
So that was sent to Craig Harvey, asking how it could be that both licence plates are the same:
On June 25th, which van are you referring to? The one that went to the helicopter?
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Well, I also saw ONE van on June 25th... It went to the helicopter, a body was loaded into it, and off it went into the parking garage. I have attached a photo of it, and it shows the license plate with number 1236020.
That is our van and the guy in blue works for me [he clearly states here that the CNN van IS their van....while in the next sentence states that the 'jumping out' van doesn't match anything in their fleet]. The license plate # of the van in the video is (from what I have been able to discern) 1276021, and does not match any vehicle in our fleet.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
I'm confused now. I already knew the van in the video showing Michael Jackson jumping out of it is not yours. But that video clearly shows the same license plate number. Are you telling me there were TWO vans on June 25th?
They are not the same.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Hereby a picture of both licence plates. I loaded the photos into Photoshop and zoomed in om them. What appeared to be a 3 in the left plate is clearly a 7 when you soon in on the photo of the van next to the helicopter.
I know the leaked video is a fake, but your office states that the licence plate number 1276020 is not of one of your vans. How come the original van from the live CNN footage has that number also?
The licence number on the CNN-van also looks strange, because the 2's don't match, the 7 is not straight and the 6 looks written on it, it's not round at the bottom.
Now can you tell me, is the van showed on the left (from CNN footage) your van?
Do you see the bumper sticker that says “Don’t Abandon Your Baby” underneath the license plate of the van near the helicopter? Do you see it in the video? Do you see our slogan on the side of the van in the video “Law and Science Serving the Community”?
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
Yes, I see the sticker and I'm familiar with it. But...did you know that the man wearing black pants and a beige shirt removed it from the van before they pulled away from the helicopter? Please, have a look at this video, and pay attention as from 6.14 until 6.40. You can clearly see that this man removes the sticker, folds it in his hands and then gets back into the van.
Here is the link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo)
He took off his disposable gloves. The door opening handle is located inside the license plate frame area.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
But that leaves these questions unanswered:
I know the leaked video is a fake, but your office states that the licence plate number 1276020 is not of one of your vans. How come the original van from the live CNN footage has that number also?
The licence number on the CNN-van also looks strange, because the 2's don't match, the 7 is not straight and the 6 looks written on it, it's not round at the bottom.
Now can you tell me, is the van showed on the left (from CNN footage) your van?
I can't see an answer to that, so I think he never answered it.
Again, no one has to believe that Craig was telling the truth....but even then, his 'lies' (if that's what one deems they are) should not be misquoted.
@Sarahli....yes, I also noticed that BOTH hinges on the 'jumping out' van are indeed white (clearly visible in the vid).
@Grace....thanks for adding some logic back into the mix.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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/pull hair/ Sorry, but that's how I'm feeling! /scream/ Can't explain why - just am! /overreacting/ Something to do with circles and going round and round I think! bangbang
Michael, get yo' ass back here and tell us how you did it!
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, And I want it NOW! (Sorry, wrong artist, but you get my drift!)
All better now, thank you - I'll get back to being nice and patient and undemanding! :oops:
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euh...
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That is our van and the guy in blue works for me [he clearly states here that the CNN van IS their van....while in the next sentence states that the 'jumping out' van doesn't match anything in their fleet]. The license plate # of the van in the video is (from what I have been able to discern) 1276021, and does not match any vehicle in our fleet.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
is he not saying that the liscense plate nr DOES NOT MATCH any vehicle in their fleet ? Yet the cnn van has the same plate nr.... so is also not on their fleet??
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*just curious..........
Why do the titles keep changing on some posts?
Tink's:
Re: Why didn't Coroner employees drive the van?
« Reply #93 on: March 05, 2012, 02:33:38 AM »
Sarahli's:
Re: Why didn't Coroner employees drive the van?
« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2012, 02:59:49 AM »
Tink's:
Re: Mistakes that let me know Michael's alive: The Achilles Heel
« Reply #110 on: March 05, 2012, 08:21:37 AM »
These are all posts done in this thread......did you guys post it somewhere else as well? I am just curious...I think I have seen this before....but not for awhile.
Blessings
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Eventhough I know in my heart that Michael is still alive, it stil breaks me down when I watch this video and listen to the heartfelt sorrow in the voices of both Tommy Matolla and Geraldo Rivera. It takes me all the way back to those hour or pure agony I myself was experiencing. I was totally broken, to the core.
I still dont believe that Michael Jackson was in that house on June 25th at the time this story broke. I believe he returned there the night before and completed his preparations to depart before the bewitching hour, possibly in that phantom van we see him jump out of in that video. Unmarked, unhurried, unimportant to anyone seeing it drive by. No one knowing the better nor of what was to come.
Question: Has it been proven that this footage was taken in another country as reported? And have the alleged culprits been named and identified. Or did that too fall away to Never, Neverland? Something is askew in all of this. I just cannot put my finger on it.
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Neither Craig Harvey nor Ed Winter should have bothered to indulge hoaxers in this line of questioning and certainly not to the lengths that they did.
Even more odd then, is for this question to be completely ignored, TWICE:
But that leaves these questions unanswered:
I know the leaked video is a fake, but your office states that the licence plate number 1276020 is not of one of your vans. How come the original van from the live CNN footage has that number also?
The licence number on the CNN-van also looks strange, because the 2's don't match, the 7 is not straight and the 6 looks written on it, it's not round at the bottom.
Now can you tell me, is the van showed on the left (from CNN footage) your van?
while continuing to engage in Q&A on other lines of query.
Considering how plainly (yet incomplete, the reader will notice) he answered all other queries, how difficult would it be for him to reply "yes, it is our van"--??
Unless you presume it was irrelevant because he already stated IT ISN'T THEIR VAN.
Lack of reply on this is nonsensical if his intentions are pure and unassuming. This email convo has long been a source of confusion and unanswered questions, to this day, although Tink's observations have begun to shed some light.
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*just curious..........
Why do the titles keep changing on some posts?
Tink's:
Re: Why didn't Coroner employees drive the van?
« Reply #93 on: March 05, 2012, 02:33:38 AM »
Sarahli's:
Re: Why didn't Coroner employees drive the van?
« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2012, 02:59:49 AM »
Tink's:
Re: Mistakes that let me know Michael's alive: The Achilles Heel
« Reply #110 on: March 05, 2012, 08:21:37 AM »
These are all posts done in this thread......did you guys post it somewhere else as well? I am just curious...I think I have seen this before....but not for awhile.
Blessings
You can change the titles.
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/pull hair/ Sorry, but that's how I'm feeling! /scream/ Can't explain why - just am! /overreacting/ Something to do with circles and going round and round I think! bangbang
Michael, get yo' ass back here and tell us how you did it!
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, And I want it NOW! (Sorry, wrong artist, but you get my drift!)
All better now, thank you - I'll get back to being nice and patient and undemanding! :oops:
+ 1 !!! ;)
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Oh Curls, Good Job! bearhug I even feel better now too! /bravo/
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befor i go get some sleep: link to jumping out video combined with making of jumping out video, handy to look at!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZSblpCCWHU
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*just curious..........
Why do the titles keep changing on some posts?
Tink's:
Re: Why didn't Coroner employees drive the van?
« Reply #93 on: March 05, 2012, 02:33:38 AM »
Sarahli's:
Re: Why didn't Coroner employees drive the van?
« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2012, 02:59:49 AM »
Tink's:
Re: Mistakes that let me know Michael's alive: The Achilles Heel
« Reply #110 on: March 05, 2012, 08:21:37 AM »
These are all posts done in this thread......did you guys post it somewhere else as well? I am just curious...I think I have seen this before....but not for awhile.
Blessings
You can change the titles.
Thank you
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Guess I’ll just sizzle for a while on this one :?
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You all do realize of course, that 6/25/09, happened during the "Guvernator's" reign of California!?
Thank you for more information, I love it! Because you can't go backwards in time, and "fix" things anymore.
Only forwards from this point in time.
Craig actually proved my point: the plates on Michael's van are fake. Michael's van has the "f" in California
hanging down, towards the plate numbers. According to Craig, this is the plate that's been discontinued,
and I've even shown an example. So - then why are NORMAL plates on a Coroner van, then?
Why are all the "CA EXEMPT" areas & "California" areas all blurred out, yet you can read the number parts fairly
clearly, whether in light, or shadow? I don't believe that. And also the alleged "baby" decal?
Because things are hidden in plain sight. Whomever insisted the baby decal was pulled off, was wrong,
and it gave Craig confidence, and he blatantly LIED after that!
The STATE of California OWED Michael big time, for tearing Neverland apart - twice! For trying him,
without proof. For inspecting him, and lies going on for nearly 20 years now.
1993 - 2013, will make it 20 years, btw!
So if you don't think that Hollywood, and the State of California under Arnold didn't feel like something
was owed to Michael, especially since Arnold had access to those FBI files - it was probably the ONE THING
he could actually do for Michael, in this state. You didn't need the entire UCLA hospital in on it; just one doctor,
who could explain the procedures being performed on a "dummy" called MJ.
You can rent a room at the Courthouse, for "Court tv," and the Jurors would never know. Just the paperwork
they signed.
So much of this, it's a toss of a coin, on real actors, or off duty police, sheriffs, coroner, who acted.
But, the results are the same - it took a tight set of people to pull this off.
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Nothing explains why Craig Harvey repeatedly states the wrong licence # of what is supposed to be his own van on CNN live footage when it's clearly a 7 and not a 3, no debate on that.
Not that I expect Craig Harvey to have all his van's plate numbers memorized.
But I do expect Craig Harvey to recognize a 7 from a 3.
I think he is being clever and deliberate in his wording so as to not get caught in a lie.
Just like TS, he never actually states that the van we see on live CNN footage is his van. He frequently vaguely refers to some van as a fake, not one of his, a van from a movie production company, etc.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger had been talked about a long time ago, over multiple threads. I just put his name into the search box here. I have listed out what I think are some of the more interesting threads with their link:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=6000.msg95727#msg95727
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5388.msg85228#msg85228
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=18688.msg325016#msg325016
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21518.msg375153#msg375153
There are many more threads/posts that mention Mr. Schwarzenegger......hope that helps.
Blessings
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euh...
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That is our van and the guy in blue works for me [he clearly states here that the CNN van IS their van....while in the next sentence states that the 'jumping out' van doesn't match anything in their fleet]. The license plate # of the van in the video is (from what I have been able to discern) 1276021, and does not match any vehicle in our fleet.
Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
is he not saying that the liscense plate nr DOES NOT MATCH any vehicle in their fleet ? Yet the cnn van has the same plate nr.... so is also not on their fleet??
"1276021" just happen to be the plate numbers from RTL's "The Making of" video, lolol/
Did he think no one would ever notice, and that the videos just blended within everyone's heads? Nada!
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/bravo/ thank you investigators.
Tink, I repeatedly watched your posted vids. Very interesting, I haven't paid much attention to the persons of the van before. Maybe because I was too focused on the body (red herring?). May be that's it! That's the trick, we'd better notice the things/persons around the focus. :geek: You already noticed this Tink: why is the camera zooming out specially at this particular moment when the sheriff and the other officers stepped out of the van? The heavier sheriff made some unclear actions with the license plate. Why? Probably for diversion. Just pay attention to the second officer who's jumping out of the right side of the van (at 6:11 on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo&feature=related). Why is he leaving?? :shock: This makes no sense. First he enters the van, it took some minutes and before the van leaves he jumps out and walks away :? The trick of the illusionist and/or Alfred Hitchcock, using diversions, a red herring etc. ;) 8-)
L.O.V.E.
I do idolize Alfred Hitchcock. The mind is the strongest element to anything!
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Finally: the "jumping out" van should be a white Ford E250 with 2 doors opening to the outside.
This model is rare but not impossible to find in Europe, although vans produced for Europe usually have sliding doors.
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How do you know this?
Consumer taste and technical requirements differ from country to country.
What sells in France does not necessarily sell in the UK and it's not only the steering wheel.
California still isn't the world's bellybutton - there's more variation to life than this.
If dudes like tech does not mean ladies cannot get into it as well.
Observation skills and knowledge are not dependent on sex, shoe size or hair colour. Thank God. ;)
Au contraire! I work in an industry where few women work - because we've got to be 3x better than any man.
Cars are usually a "dude" thing - but don't go into my garage, lol. Bet you'd love the cars I've been in.
We go to the desert sometimes, where we open the cars all the way up, or rent high end sports cars.
Now that's entertainment with a free adrenaline high!
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Why are there two RTL videos on the "Making of!?" Otherwise, explain THIS:
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1497/van21b.jpg)
The license plate clearly ends with a ONE, and has a black tag!
I got it from this video, that I'd archived awhile back, @ 7:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_kDmpb7yo8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_kDmpb7yo8&feature=related)
THESE are the license plates Craig was talking about!
RTL messed up, my friends; they obviously examined Michael's van pulling into the parking garage, and him getting out. They thought
they copied things exactly.
So when this was pointed out, they quickly inserted video of them doing the plates, too - complete with the red tag, AFTER the fact, hoping no one the wiser.
Now does Craig's conversation about the "1276021" plates make any sense?
Yes - I've solved another piece of the puzzle, by using "Hollywood Magic" front to back, and back to front.
Now - I've solved the mysterious blue man. :D
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This is truly humbling, everyone! Might I present to you all: The line between reality & fantasy. Where Michael's van actually became the WHITE RABBIT:
(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1466/garagevanstrippedc.jpg)
Remember, I mentioned that everything had to be moved/adjusted/removed?
This is Michael's van, stripped, & turned into a BLANK SLATE! It's the white rabbit, in every sense of the word!!
After this point, is where the ILLUSION was overlaid, in running video post op.
FYI - I used my own eye as a thumbprint, so it crosses through any aliases. It isn't meant to be scary.
@MICHAEL - Can you SEE me, hear me?
I do believe this is checkmate, dear. I just followed your clues that you left. bearhug
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What frame is this? Can the original video be stilled at this spot and seen by anyone viewing it?
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The sticker is red. There's no black sticker.
The numbers read 1276020 not 1236020.
There's no 3. It's an optical twist due to bad resolution.
There were blue and red stickers in California in 2009:
(http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/California/ca2009.jpg)
(http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2181730.jpg)
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Jackson+Laid+To+Rest+09d3tcdOg2rl.jpg)
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What frame is this? Can the original video be stilled at this spot and seen by anyone viewing it?
Of course it can, by scrubbing front to back, back to front: :05 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPWGclMI4A&feature=watch_response (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPWGclMI4A&feature=watch_response)
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Why are there two RTL videos on the "Making of!?" Otherwise, explain THIS:
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1497/van21b.jpg)
The license plate clearly ends with a ONE, and has a black tag!
I got it from this video, that I'd archived awhile back, @ 7:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_kDmpb7yo8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_kDmpb7yo8&feature=related)
THESE are the license plates Craig was talking about!
RTL messed up, my friends; they obviously examined Michael's van pulling into the parking garage, and him getting out. They thought
they copied things exactly.
So when this was pointed out, they quickly inserted video of them doing the plates, too - complete with the red tag, AFTER the fact, hoping no one the wiser.
Now does Craig's conversation about the "1276021" plates make any sense?
Yes - I've solved another piece of the puzzle, by using "Hollywood Magic" front to back, and back to front.
Now - I've solved the mysterious blue man. :D
The sticker is red.
THAT is a different plate from what I posted, lol.
LOOK again - I did a screen grab, from a different video. It's crystal clear, on many spots when you scrub front to back on the video I'm referring to.
I POSTED the license plate number Craig referred to, so there's TWO RTL variants! Just like in comic books.
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Here's another angle, just for you. It's still inaccurately reproduced by RTL, evidently the first time. They went back and corrected it,
other wise, why would Craig keep referring to THIS plate? lolol/
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9117/garagevand.jpg)
Obviously, it's a numeral "1" close to this font! No trick to the eyes.
See, I have complete and utter confidence in myself; I'm unshakeable.
I learned that from you, Michael. Anything worth doing, you put your entire self into - or it's just half-a$$ed.
bearhug
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@Grace: Thanks for the photos. You've helped to eliminate the fact that the photo shot from above
by the Sun paper.
It was definitely shot at HUMAN eye level - because of it at the center line of the van! It isn't below, it isn't above!
If it was above, you'd be looking down, a view like a helicopter!! rr/
I've gone over the photos, where the person had to be, which is behind the small strip of a South hedge:
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5138/coronermap2009copy.jpg)
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I realized that I'm coming from a Techie standpoint, so I'll do my best with video examples.
This is the easiest way I found to explain how the Coroner white van video was slightly altered:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exz_OQzEiMc&feature=related[/youtube]
Did anyone notice that it ATE THE LICENSE PLATE, and that they replaced it with a black grill, instead!? ;)) Shows how easy it is, to remove things on BLACK!
Great Example, from Coldplay’s Every Teardrop’s a Waterfall. I suggest turning the sound off, pausing it. Then moving it forwards and backwards.
That way, you can see the artwork appear, and disappear, over the walls & sidewalks, then towards the ending, all over the buildings.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyMhvkC3A84[/youtube]
And for those of you lurking – here’s how we really do the really cool stuff in Maya & Max – buckle your seatbelts:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m_TWeHZg5M&feature=related[/youtube]
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I understood what you meant Tink, but the screenshot you took from the video (white van) can also be explained by the poor video quality, the movements of the person filming (really not stable) and the lighting.
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I understood what you meant Tink, but the screenshot you took from the video (white van) can also be explained by the poor video quality, the movements of the person filming (really not stable) and the lighting.
That WAS a stabilized video, by the way. Why I selected that one, above the others!
You're still missing my point, which is: That anything can be done to a moving object, no matter how low, or how high the resolution! :D
What I'm talking specifically here, is called "Skinning" an object. Say you take a car in Grand Theft Auto, and you have an app. that lets you change its
color scheme. Say you want to change it from say white with blue stripes, to white with blue dash stripes. It's simply changing their "skins."
That's exactly what's been done here - except from scratch, and not using a pre-made. Slight shift in details, which is easy with the correct person
running the software.
Look, I'm trying my best to relay years of 2D & 3D training, and distill it down into bite-sized pieces.
I can just totally see why Michael got away with all of this. From the Night/day composite shots of the multi-layered Ambulance photo, to the garage.
He knew that very few, except some of us within the film industry itself, could see it all so clearly. I see it all crystal, from beginning to end.
But how do I explain it, to where it makes sense? I feel like an alien, about now. ;))
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Thank you Tink for your explanations. I am no expert so I can't tell, maybe you're right a lot of things are possible with technology. I have given up on the coroner van! :lol: geek/
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I understood what you meant Tink, but the screenshot you took from the video (white van) can also be explained by the poor video quality, the movements of the person filming (really not stable) and the lighting.
That WAS a stabilized video, by the way. Why I selected that one, above the others!
You're still missing my point, which is: That anything can be done to a moving object, no matter how low, or how high the resolution! :D
What I'm talking specifically here, is called "Skinning" an object. Say you take a car in Grand Theft Auto, and you have an app. that lets you change its
color scheme. Say you want to change it from say white with blue stripes, to white with blue dash stripes. It's simply changing their "skins."
That's exactly what's been done here - except from scratch, and not using a pre-made. Slight shift in details, which is easy with the correct person
running the software.
Look, I'm trying my best to relay years of 2D & 3D training, and distill it down into bite-sized pieces.
I can just totally see why Michael got away with all of this. From the Night/day composite shots of the multi-layered Ambulance photo, to the garage.
He knew that very few, except some of us within the film industry itself, could see it all so clearly. I see it all crystal, from beginning to end.
But how do I explain it, to where it makes sense? I feel like an alien, about now. ;))
WOW Tink.. thank you for sharing your experience and tech knowledge.This is great! I have learned heaps and feel much more informed now..L.O.V.E. x typing/
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(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/assome-etoiles.gif) --- This is how I feel after having read this thread.
If you guys have found the version that calms your curiosity, then I am glad for you.
'Cause I am still tormented on this mystery! :lol:
To be frank I've never succeeded to make a logical course of events/explanations
out of the whole ambulance stuff!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/non-desol%E9-987.gif)
I feel like in front of a magician that got a pigeon out of his hat
and I stand there wondering howTF he did IT ??!! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Confus/mini-evanouissement-284932.gif)
So I've stopped long ago trying to figure out the AMBULANCE (s).
I can't wait for Michael (TS?) to come out and explain his magic tricks!!
@SimPatty - I'm sorry if you don't understand my explanation on how this Illusion's been performed
with a FAKE CORONER van, with Michael inside. You can see it clearly, from the photos I've compared.
@all: Michael initially outfoxed 6 billion people, to pull this all off. He must've been waiting for someone
to figure it all out. I just outsmarted the same 6 billion people, and I admit I'm shaking a bit to realize it.
If what SimPatty says is true, I guess Michael will contacting me.
Serenity Prayer
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Tink, Im having trouble reading your purple writing on the vans. There is also a white dot above the parking garage plate right in the middle. I cant see this on the middle pic.
You mean the doorlock, for the back door? They all have that. As for the writing - I've already explained it, in that post. I just haven't bothered going back, and erasing the purple, lol.
I watched that series, Tink. What the host says at the very end is very interesting [starting @4:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBP507iNv9U&feature=related , he refers to the criticism the LA County coroner took following the OJ Simpson case and lists several changes that the LA Coroner's office implemented following that case. One of them was to treat every celebrity's death as a homicide, even if all the initial signs indicate that it's not, and another was that it would hold seminars designed to help Coroner office employees become better witnesses to ensure that, and the host quotes, "we must never again allow our Coroner's office to embarrass us in the eyes of the world."
MJ's death wasn't treated like a homicide for 3 days.
Coroner assistant moved items at the residence while documenting the scene and failed to catalog all evidence. She was also a terrible witness.
You see by what I meant, I found the bottom of the Rabbit hole, when I posted those videos!? I just didn't have enough time to write it all down!
It's just sooo obvious, that Michael's alive by this alone, see what I mean!? I felt like I'd opened up the EASTER BASKET!! So, posting links was all I could do, while just focusing on the Rabbit hole.
They had to retroactively treat it like Michael's case like a "real death" & "homicide" - most likely because Michael's life been threatened. That's part of the mystery.
Anyone notice how the Estate's suddenly switched gears, and started after Dr. Tohme?
GREAT WORK Tink!! typing/
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I understood what you meant Tink, but the screenshot you took from the video (white van) can also be explained by the poor video quality, the movements of the person filming (really not stable) and the lighting.
That WAS a stabilized video, by the way. Why I selected that one, above the others!
You're still missing my point, which is: That anything can be done to a moving object, no matter how low, or how high the resolution! :D
What I'm talking specifically here, is called "Skinning" an object. Say you take a car in Grand Theft Auto, and you have an app. that lets you change its
color scheme. Say you want to change it from say white with blue stripes, to white with blue dash stripes. It's simply changing their "skins."
That's exactly what's been done here - except from scratch, and not using a pre-made. Slight shift in details, which is easy with the correct person
running the software.
Look, I'm trying my best to relay years of 2D & 3D training, and distill it down into bite-sized pieces.
I can just totally see why Michael got away with all of this. From the Night/day composite shots of the multi-layered Ambulance photo, to the garage.
He knew that very few, except some of us within the film industry itself, could see it all so clearly. I see it all crystal, from beginning to end.
But how do I explain it, to where it makes sense? I feel like an alien, about now. ;))
WOW Tink.. thank you for sharing your experience and tech knowledge.This is great! I have learned heaps and feel much more informed now..L.O.V.E. x typing/
@lettingitsimmer - Thank you bunches! bearhug I'm just blown away, how this entire thing has been set up from the beginning to the end that day, with simple Illusionist tricks,
Photoshop Photography, along with live people, then SFX post. I'm so happy to be challenged!
It's like watching: Alfred Hitchcock; Houdini; Spielberg & Stan Winston all getting together, and giving birth to a Monster of a Project - and THIS IS IT!
Just needs me, to complete the picture. Always need a spunky gal in the mix. :D
I've met my match, and I'm on cloud nine. After being dazed for so long, a puzzle worthy of me.
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Tink, I think your last few posts has made me realize what you're trying to say - and I think you're right. Actually, I know you're right. I finally see how Mike could get away with everything. Especially the coroner van, because, as you said, it's a moving object. Thank you so much for all of your information! We have all learned so much in this thread! :)
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Tink, I think your last few posts has made me realize what you're trying to say - and I think you're right. Actually, I know you're right. I finally see how Mike could get away with everything. Especially the coroner van, because, as you said, it's a moving object. Thank you so much for all of your information! We have all learned so much in this thread! :)
Aww, thank you. bearhug
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Tink...thank you so much for those examples for un-tekkie people like me! That vid from Coldplay had a lot of Masonic symbols in it. That freaking "eye" is everywhere!
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Tink...thank you so much for those examples for un-tekkie people like me! That vid from Coldplay had a lot of Masonic symbols in it. That freaking "eye" is everywhere!
But the "eyes" have it! Artists just wuvver eyes, because that's what always gives us away, if not done right.
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wow thanks Tink! Good eye :)
ok, will try this again, problems posting images, maybe this pdf. will work.
Not sure important, but i was curious about what the person looks like by using photoshop and brightening image. MJ with sunglasses.
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wow thanks Tink! Good eye :)
ok, will try this again, problems posting images, maybe this pdf. will work.
Not sure important, but i was curious about what the person looks like by using photoshop and brightening image. MJ with sunglasses.
Can you link me WHICH video, and which seconds you grabbed from? That looks interesting, but I need to process that in my computer! ;))
I need as large, raw, files as possible to process.
That's what helps me the most! Once it's brightened like that, it destroys pixels, and I can no longer retrieve data from washed out pixels.
For instance - look at my new little avatar - there's tons of information in, on, & around her! I've just doctored the heck out of her.
It's my own little reminder, of the power of Photoshop. She's crisp, clear, and full of data.
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I understood what you meant Tink, but the screenshot you took from the video (white van) can also be explained by the poor video quality, the movements of the person filming (really not stable) and the lighting.
That WAS a stabilized video, by the way. Why I selected that one, above the others!
You're still missing my point, which is: That anything can be done to a moving object, no matter how low, or how high the resolution! :D
What I'm talking specifically here, is called "Skinning" an object. Say you take a car in Grand Theft Auto, and you have an app. that lets you change its
color scheme. Say you want to change it from say white with blue stripes, to white with blue dash stripes. It's simply changing their "skins."
That's exactly what's been done here - except from scratch, and not using a pre-made. Slight shift in details, which is easy with the correct person
running the software.
Look, I'm trying my best to relay years of 2D & 3D training, and distill it down into bite-sized pieces.
I can just totally see why Michael got away with all of this. From the Night/day composite shots of the multi-layered Ambulance photo, to the garage.
He knew that very few, except some of us within the film industry itself, could see it all so clearly. I see it all crystal, from beginning to end.
But how do I explain it, to where it makes sense? I feel like an alien, about now. ;))
WOW Tink.. thank you for sharing your experience and tech knowledge.This is great! I have learned heaps and feel much more informed now..L.O.V.E. x typing/
@lettingitsimmer - Thank you bunches! bearhug I'm just blown away, how this entire thing has been set up from the beginning to the end that day, with simple Illusionist tricks,
Photoshop Photography, along with live people, then SFX post. I'm so happy to be challenged!
It's like watching: Alfred Hitchcock; Houdini; Spielberg & Stan Winston all getting together, and giving birth to a Monster of a Project - and THIS IS IT!
Just needs me, to complete the picture. Always need a spunky gal in the mix. :D
I've met my match, and I'm on cloud nine. After being dazed for so long, a puzzle worthy of me.
Hi again Tink! Yes I too am am dazed for sure.. due to lack of tech knowledge!.. but thanks to you and others who have that experience, on this site especially, it sure makes things much clearer! Am a bit like a rabbit staring in the path of headlights..but it is a great adventure! A real thriller! Thanks again..x typing/
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Tink, yes, I enjoy when someone from a certain professional field elaborates on the hows of some detail in the hundreds if not thousands of elements that came together for MJ to pull this mega-hoax off. Thanks!
Wishingstar linked
2good2btrue
So maybe all the superheroes are helping him after all....We all know that Michael loved superheroes, especially the hulk.
So what if we add in the "Terminator" Arnold Schwarzenegger in the mix...."I'll be Back"
Prior LA Govenor and the incredible Hulk....Both famous for acting and bodybuilding....
With all these strong superheroes around him pulling some strings, anything can be done..
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21518.msg375153#msg375153 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21518.msg375153#msg375153)
From Wiki – Arnold Schwarzenegger, 38th Governor of California, in office Nov 17, 2003 – Jan 3, 2011.
I’d say very convenient years for maybe helping with MJ’s hoax.
What’s with the Green Door?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AYwY74fDryU/Spdfhq_yagI/AAAAAAAAUDU/Q1s1uNZBJFo/s400/michael+jackson+is+alive+jump+out+van.JPG)
Made me think of this old song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVlcqMLMbVA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVlcqMLMbVA&feature=related)
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Lets not forget that Lou Ferrigno is a LA County Sherrifs officer....I'm sure he could of pulled a few strings, considering he was with MJ right up unto his faked death...
Just watch this video and see what I mean...God blesshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftvqxdboqEs
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftvqxdboqEs[/youtube]
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Can you link me WHICH video, and which seconds you grabbed from? That looks interesting, but I need to process that in my computer! ;))
I need as large, raw, files as possible to process.
That's what helps me the most! Once it's brightened like that, it destroys pixels, and I can no longer retrieve data from washed out pixels.
For instance - look at my new little avatar - there's tons of information in, on, & around her! I've just doctored the heck out of her.
It's my own little reminder, of the power of Photoshop. She's crisp, clear, and full of data.
Maybe you can do more with it Tink, I took the image at :20 from
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZSblpCCWHU[/youtube]
They show the original footage, then go into such detail of the making of this video. What I find so stupid, even funny is they show at :57 putting white make up on the face of the person acting as MJ.
It's too dark for his face to show and ... why do the eye make up too when wearing sunglasses?
btw It looks like the wall thickness around the door looks smaller than in original video.
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Wow tink. You made a believer out of me with that information. There is no way I would’ve understood it without your explanation. Are you in school for this sort of thing or some way in the business of editing? You explained that point on /bravo/ I think I really got it.
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Tink, yes, I enjoy when someone from a certain professional field elaborates on the hows of some detail in the hundreds if not thousands of elements that came together for MJ to pull this mega-hoax off. Thanks!
Wishingstar linked
2good2btrue
So maybe all the superheroes are helping him after all....We all know that Michael loved superheroes, especially the hulk.
So what if we add in the "Terminator" Arnold Schwarzenegger in the mix...."I'll be Back"
Prior LA Govenor and the incredible Hulk....Both famous for acting and bodybuilding....
With all these strong superheroes around him pulling some strings, anything can be done..
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21518.msg375153#msg375153 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21518.msg375153#msg375153)
From Wiki – Arnold Schwarzenegger, 38th Governor of California, in office Nov 17, 2003 – Jan 3, 2011.
I’d say very convenient years for maybe helping with MJ’s hoax.
What’s with the Green Door?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AYwY74fDryU/Spdfhq_yagI/AAAAAAAAUDU/Q1s1uNZBJFo/s400/michael+jackson+is+alive+jump+out+van.JPG)
Made me think of this old song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVlcqMLMbVA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVlcqMLMbVA&feature=related)
Hey MJonmind.......
Great old song........yes, the green door. There was a picture going around of Criss Angel opening a door.....I think when he was about to promote his Magic Shop or something? I can't find it at all now. What I am wondering is, what color was that door, lol.....I don't think green...but darn curious now. Does anyone remember this pic? I have to run, but will search more later.
BTW...thanks for the nod MJonmind...you're a sweetheart.
Blessings.......
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I promised, and I'm serving it up hot!
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/121/ambulancephotocopy.jpg)
Voila!
Whithin 5 minutes of looking, this is what I discovered:
They reshot this photo, and did a "matchcut!"
Dude on left, his left leg is Black, and the hand inside of the glove is black –
at least the part that was his, which is on the LEFT; right side, is the old photo.
Dude on left is also missing the rest of his right torso – this is impossible, as we can see the background behind him, inside the ambulance.
And then we have a multi-layer of Michael's face. It has: TWO NOSES, one's slid UP btw, thus creating the "cut off look,"
a Jigsaw face, with Intubation through the bottom of the chin of the neckbrace!
SLOPPY SLOPPY, people!
Hey, Ben - I take you had just a few hours here to slap this puppy together, aye?
The match cut didn't even need to be shot at night for the interior - just shot at approximately the same angle! You take as many photos as you can,
then import it into Photoshop, and do the best you can. You can use the "Transform" tool, and re-arrange, tweak things slightly.
We can change the lighting, etc. within Photoshop itself. CS3 on up, just fantastic tools within!
Looks kind of like two of the bodyguards were stand-ins, and everything pasted over them.
I say this, because of the two LEFT HANDS only.
FORGOT:
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2506/ambulancephoto2.jpg)
"Double-double" nose would be two noses, side by side if I were to look directly at you! Then,
the Left eye was dropped to even with where the nose bone tip meets the cartilage of the nose, which is
physically impossible - even when deceased or if you've been beaten up. You have a zygotic arch, that
actually holds the eye and muscles in place!
Then, a little "caterpillar" of black was added onto that eyebrow, to help add this blunder.
The other eyelid is actually an eyebrow clone!
I wonder if this was to see how observant people really are. The low quality of the paper on the print versions,
still the intubation through the chin!
Just real obvious to me. Obviously, there was no Editor-in-Chief involved!
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I always thought it was a fake endotracheal tube that was cut off so there was no tube past the mouth covering so instead of sitting properly upright it was saggy. Because there's no need to stick a real tube down MJ's throat, to pose for a pic. Kind of funny if you envision the scene. Anyway, his upper lip is visible and no way that's right.
The two noses and the eyebrow/eyelids explain a great deal that has always been 'nqr' with that pic.
I bet you're exactly right and when MJ reveals the lesson to the world will be undeniable and very self reliant: Don't believe everything you read (MJ is dead), and Don't believe everything you SEE either (this pic). Great work, Tink!
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I always thought it was a fake endotracheal tube that was cut off so there was no tube past the mouth covering so instead of sitting properly upright it was saggy. Because there's no need to stick a real tube down MJ's throat, to pose for a pic. Kind of funny if you envision the scene. Anyway, his upper lip is visible and no way that's right.
The two noses and the eyebrow/eyelids explain a great deal that has always been 'nqr' with that pic.
I bet you're exactly right and when MJ reveals the lesson to the world will be undeniable and very self reliant: Don't believe everything you read (MJ is dead), and Don't believe everything you SEE either (this pic). Great work, Tink!
@bec - Thank you. I've much, much more evidence, that I can show like this. ;D
I'm running backups on my computers out of habit this weekend - then, more.
Alpha to Omega.
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Exactly 2 weeks ago on 02/29/2012, I began to seriously analyze the video from 06/25/2009. I figured if anyone could solve this puzzle, I could. On 03/014/2012, I solved it just before Midnight.
I had finally collected all the clues from all the videos…I was trying to find something very, very specific on “Michael,” to prove once and for all, whether it’s really him on a specific screen-grab. I had it narrowed down to three screen-grabs. One looked odd; I’d already deduced that the short video had been altered manually, from the point of entry into the Coroner Parking Garage.
In this situation, why was there black overlayed on top of black? To block his face? I blew it up, and played with it. On top of that, I found obvious pattern overlaying over the coat of the bodyguard, his legs, Michael’s face, and the rear window.
I brightened it, clarified it...technical artist jargon stuff.
THERE, hiding in plain sight for almost 3 years, circulating the internet, I found this:
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8743/mjgameboypixelicons.jpg)
A pattern within the pixels. OMG! I know what those are: pixel actions and characters from The Game Boy Super Mario Land!
Ergo on 6/25/2009, Michael is alive! Because after all, in video games the Hero gets a FREE LIFE every time he levels up!
(http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl0/1/15111/01_2008/hall%20of%20fame%20mario.preview.jpg)
No; this wasn't all I found. I can write a book on what all I found, with all the blatant clues in front of our faces, OMG!
Hello, Michael. Can we go out, for that long awaited dinner and talk? I'll sing whatever you wish.
- Julie Ann Sczesny, Comic pro, since 1983. DOB. 08/03/1962
BTW - if there's any doubt on who I really am, I'd actually posted this all yesterday on my Live Journal, to ensure that I receive proper CREDIT for solving this truly magnificent game, worthy of the Greatest minds in the world: http://juliesczesny.livejournal.com/6376.html (http://juliesczesny.livejournal.com/6376.html)
Yes - there are girl gamers out here!
And for celebration, Game Boy Super Mario Land, Old School:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV0qJd-phvQ&feature=related[/youtube]
Michael in Super Mario World:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOo8lW6tBbA[/youtube]
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Can you link me WHICH video, and which seconds you grabbed from? That looks interesting, but I need to process that in my computer! ;))
I need as large, raw, files as possible to process.
That's what helps me the most! Once it's brightened like that, it destroys pixels, and I can no longer retrieve data from washed out pixels.
For instance - look at my new little avatar - there's tons of information in, on, & around her! I've just doctored the heck out of her.
It's my own little reminder, of the power of Photoshop. She's crisp, clear, and full of data.
Maybe you can do more with it Tink, I took the image at :20 from
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZSblpCCWHU[/youtube]
They show the original footage, then go into such detail of the making of this video. What I find so stupid, even funny is they show at :57 putting white make up on the face of the person acting as MJ.
It's too dark for his face to show and ... why do the eye make up too when wearing sunglasses?
btw It looks like the wall thickness around the door looks smaller than in original video.
At the end of the video you can see a brown door in a flash, :shock:
Is there anyone who could explain that? Whats the purpose?
With Love
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Wow, Tink you are amazing.
respect!!!!!,
Thank you, for posting your findings.
With Love
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Briliant find Tink, you did a great job! /bravo/
I remember Paris tweeted some time ago about Supermario..do any of you remember more?
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Briliant find Tink, you did a great job! /bravo/
I remember Paris tweeted some time ago about Supermario..do any of you remember more?
I never knew of it - so, this confirms - THIS IS IT!! party/
GAME OVER, Michael Gets the Princess, like in Super Mario Bros. World!
He's proven to be ALIVE, because I found that stuff Embedded at the end of the video.
BLUE MAN to BLUE MAN - Michael's man shot it!
Using my skills in Photoshop, here he is: Same Blue Man, spotted from the Driver's side of the Ambulance at Michael's Holmsby Hills Residence. He then drove the black SUV here, according to plan, and secured the area. In the video, the man's now here, running after the Coroner Van into the Parking Garage. He's the one who must've shot the video for Michael in the first place!
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9627/mjbluemangarage1.jpg)
Here's Michael's Coroner van arriving, as Blue man directs other van forward - from behind the black SUV he drove from the Holmsby Hills residence:
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/344/mjbluemangarage01.jpg)
And one more:
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/344/mjbluemangarage01.jpg)
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Yes, I remember ages ago (sometime early last year or possibly in 2010) Paris tweeted a link to the YouTube video below.
At about 1:13 MJ appears to "die" but then comes back, and then there's the ending :mrgreen:
[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t20Z6YNsUOI [/youtube]
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Yes, I remember ages ago (sometime early last year or possibly in 2010) Paris tweeted a link to the YouTube video below.
At about 1:13 MJ appears to "die" but then comes back, and then there's the ending :mrgreen:
[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t20Z6YNsUOI [/youtube]
Paris was trying to tell you!
When she wore the Rainbow after I made the quip about "What do get when you chase a double Rainbow?"
I KNEW they were telling me it was within my grasp.
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Here's a video that shows the van going into the garage,
the blue guy beside black van follows it into the garage,
then two more ppl follow before the doors closed.
1:30-2:00 More at the residence is later.
I'm not sure if that's the guy who shot that video or how this was done.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hWFMe5KhBGE#![/youtube]
Another reuters video that may be showing same van in the back area? with another van backing up... idk
see at end after Jermaine speaks.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?fr=yfp-t-701&fr2=piv-web&c=4&p=michael+transport+to+coroner&vid=2af2431bc1c835789374e9186f794150&dt=1245986407&l=55&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1597896787351%26id%3D91d372f0784b5f0504e25d91ffedd9c5%26bid%3DsyxGmWng%252bYiFWQ%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.reuters.com%252fnews%252fvideo%253fvideoId%253d106888&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fnews%2Fvideo%3FvideoId%3D106888&tit=Jackson%26%2339%3Bs+body+at+coroner&sigr=11gt4qjdk&newfp=1 (http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?fr=yfp-t-701&fr2=piv-web&c=4&p=michael+transport+to+coroner&vid=2af2431bc1c835789374e9186f794150&dt=1245986407&l=55&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1597896787351%26id%3D91d372f0784b5f0504e25d91ffedd9c5%26bid%3DsyxGmWng%252bYiFWQ%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.reuters.com%252fnews%252fvideo%253fvideoId%253d106888&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fnews%2Fvideo%3FvideoId%3D106888&tit=Jackson%26%2339%3Bs+body+at+coroner&sigr=11gt4qjdk&newfp=1)
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Wait, I'm confused, how do you know it's the same blue man? How do you know it's a man[person]? What video are you taking this from? In the first still, how do you know those are super mario pixels?
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Wait, I'm confused, how do you know it's the same blue man? How do you know it's a man[person]? What video are you taking this from? In the first still, how do you know those are super mario pixels?
I blew them up on my computer, of course! Their the SFX and the characters from Game Boy Super Mario Bros. Land,
on the screen itself! The games were made in LIMITED PIXELS!!
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/8569/mjmarioscreenshot.jpg)
That's why I posted the video, of the Game Boy Super Mario Bros. Land! WATCH IT!
They match the images!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJuxdR0KH-s[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV0qJd-phvQ&feature=related[/youtube]
The way the characters freeze when they jump, the explosions, etc. It's an entire map of this stuff! Flying Saucers, Mario, Winged Bugs, Mushroom guys, etc.
The '80s rocked!!
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Tink, could you blow up the pixels better than mine so we can make a clear match. Right now I don't see anything for sure--too blurry. Thanks!
It's great Paris (or someone through her account) is watching us and communicating with us!
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/coronerpixels.jpg)
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I know what those are: pixel actions and characters from The Game Boy Super Mario Land!
So who produced the pixelled picture with the comic characters according to your research?
Where's the table identifying SMB in this?
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Wait, I'm confused, how do you know it's the same blue man? How do you know it's a man[person]? What video are you taking this from? In the first still, how do you know those are super mario pixels?
I blew them up on my computer, of course! Their the SFX and the characters from Game Boy Super Mario Bros. Land,
on the screen itself! The games were made in LIMITED PIXELS!!
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/8569/mjmarioscreenshot.jpg)
That's why I posted the video, of the Game Boy Super Mario Bros. Land! WATCH IT!
They match the images!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJuxdR0KH-s[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV0qJd-phvQ&feature=related[/youtube]
The way the characters freeze when they jump, the explosions, etc. It's an entire map of this stuff! Flying Saucers, Mario, Winged Bugs, Mushroom guys, etc.
The '80s rocked!!
Mine is CRYSTAL CLEAR! :)
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That is amazing investigative work, Tink. /bravo/
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At the end of the video you can see a brown door in a flash, :shock:
Is there anyone who could explain that? Whats the purpose?
With Love
It's the door from Neverland when Miko Brando was on CNN as he gave a tour of MJ's house on Neverland. They must have recorded over it? But it would be from a VHS tape which no one records from anymore (except my mother).
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTlGMh18PyA[/youtube]
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I know what those are: pixel actions and characters from The Game Boy Super Mario Land!
So who produced the pixelled picture with the comic characters according to your research?
Where's the table identifying SMB in this?
Grace - Michael had it made of himself. Paris had a hand in this, too: she made a reference to it.
I'm starting to have suspicion about what happened here. In the words of Homer Simpson, "DOH!"
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Here's a video that shows the van going into the garage,
the blue guy beside black van follows it into the garage,
then two more ppl follow before the doors closed.
1:30-2:00 More at the residence is later.
I'm not sure if that's the guy who shot that video or how this was done.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hWFMe5KhBGE#![/youtube]
Another reuters video that may be showing same van in the back area? with another van backing up... idk
see at end after Jermaine speaks.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?fr=yfp-t-701&fr2=piv-web&c=4&p=michael+transport+to+coroner&vid=2af2431bc1c835789374e9186f794150&dt=1245986407&l=55&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1597896787351%26id%3D91d372f0784b5f0504e25d91ffedd9c5%26bid%3DsyxGmWng%252bYiFWQ%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.reuters.com%252fnews%252fvideo%253fvideoId%253d106888&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fnews%2Fvideo%3FvideoId%3D106888&tit=Jackson%26%2339%3Bs+body+at+coroner&sigr=11gt4qjdk&newfp=1 (http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?fr=yfp-t-701&fr2=piv-web&c=4&p=michael+transport+to+coroner&vid=2af2431bc1c835789374e9186f794150&dt=1245986407&l=55&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1597896787351%26id%3D91d372f0784b5f0504e25d91ffedd9c5%26bid%3DsyxGmWng%252bYiFWQ%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.reuters.com%252fnews%252fvideo%253fvideoId%253d106888&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fnews%2Fvideo%3FvideoId%3D106888&tit=Jackson%26%2339%3Bs+body+at+coroner&sigr=11gt4qjdk&newfp=1)
@Mindseye: this is a video that I missed! I didn't realize so many people walked in, wow!
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@ShamoneJackson:I found it, thanks for mentioning it. It is definitely NOT a tape over, btw.
It's a PNG image, and some of it's been hand-painted.
Just like the images on the van, which I had said was modified while moving, frame by frame -
here's the object at the "End of the Rainbow!" Also hand-painted!
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9489/mjneverlandendofvantape.png) respect/
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Wait, I'm confused, how do you know it's the same blue man? How do you know it's a man[person]? What video are you taking this from? In the first still, how do you know those are super mario pixels?
I'm sorry, Bec! Back to you: I saw him moving his arms on the video. Unfortunately, I don't have the ability on my computer,
to import that. My computer's too old now, so it isn't worth buying anymore software for her.
It's a man, by the shape of their body. You can see him, then followed by two other men, into the Parking Garage.
I'm taking the Screen-grabs from this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWFMe5KhBGE&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Gotta sleep. Pleasant dreams!
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At the end of the video you can see a brown door in a flash, :shock:
Is there anyone who could explain that? Whats the purpose?
With Love
It's the door from Neverland when Miko Brando was on CNN as he gave a tour of MJ's house on Neverland. They must have recorded over it? But it would be from a VHS tape which no one records from anymore (except my mother).
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTlGMh18PyA[/youtube]
Thank you Shamone,
It also occured to me it was an door from neverland, but it felt odd to me why this was at this video, i think you got an good explanation for this.
Again Thank you.
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It has a handmade siggy, just like I found on the van and such!
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9489/mjneverlandendofvantape.png)
Michael Jackson is alive!
I never gave up on you, Michael. I've always stood up for you.
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I know what those are: pixel actions and characters from The Game Boy Super Mario Land!
So who produced the pixelled picture with the comic characters according to your research?
Where's the table identifying SMB in this?
Grace - Michael had it made of himself. Paris had a hand in this, too: she made a reference to it.
How do you know this?
In short, you are saying that a pixelled picture that you identify (where from?) to be containing SMB content and which was published in the web by some anonymous has its origin in the fake van video that itself was produced in a different garage than the coroner's garage.
Even if the connections were really those that you are assuming, this does not prove at all that MJ is behind this pixel game or that this connection was his intention.
The truth may be completely different.
I do not consider any pixelled, blurry or modified picture / video being any evidence for anything else than a proof that somebody had the intention to publish it exactly this way.
We've come a long way. We've seen them all vanish into nowhere.
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I still don't understand how those pixels are super mario pixels. I'm familiar with the game, used to play all the time. This stuff with video imaging does get over my head, admittedly.
Tink, if you could keep trying to dumb it down for us I'd be grateful.
We've come a long way. We've seen them all vanish into nowhere.
So painfully true. They all dead end. Lead after lead after lead after lead *poof* into dust. I'm so jaded.
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Bec - Prince said it best: it's ALL FOR LOVE, L-O-V-E!
It's that simple! No more, no less. bearhug
Laters!
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Yes, I remember ages ago (sometime early last year or possibly in 2010) Paris tweeted a link to the YouTube video below.
At about 1:13 MJ appears to "die" but then comes back, and then there's the ending :mrgreen:
[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t20Z6YNsUOI [/youtube]
Thank you Adi so much, that was the video I was thinking about! :) michael-jackson/
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I know what those are: pixel actions and characters from The Game Boy Super Mario Land!
So who produced the pixelled picture with the comic characters according to your research?
Where's the table identifying SMB in this?
Grace - Michael had it made of himself. Paris had a hand in this, too: she made a reference to it.
How do you know this?
In short, you are saying that a pixelled picture that you identify (where from?) to be containing SMB content and which was published in the web by some anonymous has its origin in the fake van video that itself was produced in a different garage than the coroner's garage.
Even if the connections were really those that you are assuming, this does not prove at all that MJ is behind this pixel game or that this connection was his intention.
The truth may be completely different.
I do not consider any pixelled, blurry or modified picture / video being any evidence for anything else than a proof that somebody had the intention to publish it exactly this way.
We've come a long way. We've seen them all vanish into nowhere.
Grace - It's off of the video, that had been posted after 6/25/09! All the copies are the same. I know I can't explain it clearly enough, but you must have FAITH
in my artistic abilities, in using these programs.
You can't have cake, and eat it too.
Each and everyone of you now, must read between the lines, and decide. For I'm a knower, after St. Patrick's Day's White Christmas!
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It's good youointed this out....... All I can think of is it was something over the license plate......
But when you think about it.... There is the fact that WHY IN THE HELL are their 4 guys in the coroners
Van with a michaels supposed dead body with the door closed for almost a minute. Also there is the suspicious
Guy that hops out of the van and its like he bee lines away to try and get outta there.
Elite5 Records! (http://www.elite5records.com)
YM
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Okay - does anyone know if the original video was posted on 8/25/09, before RTL made their claim? That would match the coroner photo's date, which was "wrong."
Concerning the "Coroner Photo" which I'm sure you all have: You absolutely CANNOT give any shots via the sternum, the center of the chest! That's like 16 mm thick bone!
It takes a bone saw to cut through that during surgery. You have to shoot the epinephrine between the ribs, to get to the heart. FAIL!
Next: the left yellow tagged ankle: Where's the ACHILLES TENDON!? It goes along the backside of the heel, and up to the calf muscle, etc. Without that, you can't even walk.
Left upper arm: Where's the bicep/tricep? It looks like Popeye's! Small as a child's, then the arm is suddenly normal sized? I could keep on ripping this apart, including why is
the upper body facing to the right, and the lower to the left, yet the hips are straight - but I tire of this. There's not even a proper Adam's Apple, of which Michael most certainly
had, and you saw when he sang!
So, back to what I was going to say: Ponder these two videos for awhile; think on advancements of them. The instructors are using computers, to control them. Plus,
in the first one, you can run lines in the legs, too. Imagine this: how messy it would be, using the same dummies over & over, how many punctures there would be on them?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pFg_2Rz5OA&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO3r50mIgr4&feature=related[/youtube]
They are called SIMMAN - the most sophisticated practice mannikens for Paramedics to practice on! You leave them in places like you saw - OR IN A HOUSE!
Yes - UCLA does indeed use them, to teach their Doctors - and most likely, works with the Fire Dept., which is why that 911 CALL was so strange!!
Then what do I think happened? MICHAEL DROVE THE AMBULANCE FOR FUN, to lead the fans on a merry chase - which is why he spoke to "Mr. Blue" before he tried
to back out of the Holmsby Estate - twice, OOPS! He wasn't used to driving something so big, OMG!
Which is why the Bodyguards did a "HIGH FIVE" after he got out. He HAD to back out, so as not to be seen, wearing a brand new dark blue pants & shirt, with different glasses:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjambulanc.jpg)
Which is why he had to make a right - to UCLA, because this was a TEACHING LESSON for the ER department, from beginning to end.
Must I remind you all, about the Elephant in the room, at UCLA? It's a TEACHING HOSPITAL, within the umbrella or buddy of Ronald Reagan Hospital, called:
THE DAVID GEFFEN SCHOOL OF MEDICINE. DING-DONG! David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA (http://healthsciences.ucla.edu/dgsom/)
"In 2002, David Geffen announced a $200 million unrestricted endowment for the School of Medicine at UCLA. The School thereafter was named David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA.
Along with Kenneth Langone's gift to New York University School of Medicine, Geffen's donation is the largest donation ever made to a medical school in the United States."
Voila! Perhaps this was a lesson that started out for the Medical Personnel, the Coroner's people, in "how to handle a star's death," but the media got involved - so, it went a step further,
to teach the court system, the lawyers, etc. a giant lesson: YOU CANNOT ALWAYS BELIEVE WHAT YOU HEAR OR SEE ON THE MEDIA.
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Yes, the original Van Video was uploaded to LiveLeak on 8/25/09.
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Okay - does anyone know if the original video was posted on 8/25/09, before RTL made their claim? That would match the coroner photo's date, which was "wrong."
Concerning the "Coroner Photo" which I'm sure you all have: You absolutely CANNOT give any shots via the sternum, the center of the chest! That's like 16 mm thick bone!
It takes a bone saw to cut through that during surgery. You have to shoot the epinephrine between the ribs, to get to the heart. FAIL!
Next: the left yellow tagged ankle: Where's the ACHILLES TENDON!? It goes along the backside of the heel, and up to the calf muscle, etc. Without that, you can't even walk.
Left upper arm: Where's the bicep/tricep? It looks like Popeye's! Small as a child's, then the arm is suddenly normal sized? I could keep on ripping this apart, including why is
the upper body facing to the right, and the lower to the left, yet the hips are straight - but I tire of this. There's not even a proper Adam's Apple, of which Michael most certainly
had, and you saw when he sang!
So, back to what I was going to say: Ponder these two videos for awhile; think on advancements of them. The instructors are using computers, to control them. Plus,
in the first one, you can run lines in the legs, too. Imagine this: how messy it would be, using the same dummies over & over, how many punctures there would be on them?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pFg_2Rz5OA&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO3r50mIgr4&feature=related[/youtube]
They are called SIMMAN - the most sophisticated practice mannikens for Paramedics to practice on! You leave them in places like you saw - OR IN A HOUSE!
Yes - UCLA does indeed use them, to teach their Doctors - and most likely, works with the Fire Dept., which is why that 911 CALL was so strange!!
Then what do I think happened? MICHAEL DROVE THE AMBULANCE FOR FUN, to lead the fans on a merry chase - which is why he spoke to "Mr. Blue" before he tried
to back out of the Holmsby Estate - twice, OOPS! He wasn't used to driving something so big, OMG!
Which is why the Bodyguards did a "HIGH FIVE" after he got out. He HAD to back out, so as not to be seen, wearing a brand new dark blue pants & shirt, with different glasses:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjambulanc.jpg)
Which is why he had to make a right - to UCLA, because this was a TEACHING LESSON for the ER department, from beginning to end.
Must I remind you all, about the Elephant in the room, at UCLA? It's a TEACHING HOSPITAL, within the umbrella or buddy of Ronald Reagan Hospital, called:
THE DAVID GEFFEN SCHOOL OF MEDICINE. DING-DONG! David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA (http://healthsciences.ucla.edu/dgsom/)
"In 2002, David Geffen announced a $200 million unrestricted endowment for the School of Medicine at UCLA. The School thereafter was named David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA.
Along with Kenneth Langone's gift to New York University School of Medicine, Geffen's donation is the largest donation ever made to a medical school in the United States."
Voila! Perhaps this was a lesson that started out for the Medical Personnel, the Coroner's people, in "how to handle a star's death," but the media got involved - so, it went a step further,
to teach the court system, the lawyers, etc. a giant lesson: YOU CANNOT ALWAYS BELIEVE WHAT YOU HEAR OR SEE ON THE MEDIA.
Yes, Yes Tink.....back in April of last year, I posted that I was of the belief that particular paramedic was Michael....as embarrassed as I was....I still think it's correct.
TIAI April 11 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18688.msg323468#msg323468)
This You Tube video has the Human Nature ending....watch the ending (no pun intended, lol :icon_redface: )
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcMAeLerxPk&feature=related[/youtube]
Glad you brought this back up......it's him, I was sure, and still am, lol..... :icon_redface:
Blessings!
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Girls, you are on to something, wow, what a find it is! :icon_e_smile:
Now I realize that my signature says it all...do not forget who the driver is...MJ will get us home safely! :LolLolLolLol: :penguin:
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If he were the driver then he would have had plenty time and ample opportunity to unnoticeably get into another van and be taken off scene without suspicion. Everyone's attention is on the man on the stetcher currently.
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Guys are you telling that the driver of the ambulance which brought "alleged dead Michael" to UCLA was Michael :icon_question: :icon_question: :icon_question: Hold on, I have to call my psychiatrist :Pulling_hair:
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Nothing to do but laugh and appreciate the brilliance of it all!!!!!! I AM Entertained!!!!!! :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo:
:smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv:
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There is an old thread on here somewhere where I posted information and pictures about the teaching hospital and the similarities of the ambulances. It was during our discussion around the number of seats in the ambulance.
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Yeah.. and somebody was quoting the "awkward way" of driving of the ambulance driver, who instead of turning round the roundabout of Carolwood house, he drove the ambulance backwards so people wasn't able to see the driver's face, isn't it :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
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Yeah.. and somebody was quoting the "awkward way" of driving of the ambulance driver, who instead of turning round the roundabout of Carolwood house, he drove the ambulance backwards so people wasn't able to see the driver's face, isn't it :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Well all of that ^^ would certainly make complete sense if Michael was driving!
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@Wishingstar - This is for you! Here's an angle I screen-grabbed awhile ago, while I pondered this: (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjaviauuu.jpg)
@All - I kinda had an Ace up my sleeve with this theory - anyone recall, I said I'd been to one of the TOP neurologists in the country, @ UCLA? It was THERE. I saw the third best one, because there was a theory of a Chiari Malformation being the cause of Fibromyalgia, and if it was decompressed (via brain surgery), it would be cured. It was at the David Geffen Teaching section. Obviously, I didn't have that issue, but it was worth having MRIs looked at, for a cure.
Forgot to mention, that the SFX guys that worked on Captain EO, have reached a new level in reality silicon dummies! They do all of the surgical props for Nip/Tuck, and can manufacture any body part, interior or exterior. Put on hair, fake eyes, teeth, name it! Here's an 80 pound weakling for the Forensics department made in 2009, that replaced the old dummy: Coroner's dummy is really lifelike | coroner, department, dummy - News - The Orange County Register (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/coroner-217445-department-dummy.html?pic=2) Go through the photos - isn't it amazingly lifelike, all tucked in a bed like that?
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Yeah.. and somebody was quoting the "awkward way" of driving of the ambulance driver, who instead of turning round the roundabout of Carolwood house, he drove the ambulance backwards so people wasn't able to see the driver's face, isn't it :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Well all of that ^^ would certainly make complete sense if Michael was driving!
That does fit. That would also satisfy MJ being there with MJ not sitting up on the stretcher. Both statements become true.
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Yeah.. and somebody was quoting the "awkward way" of driving of the ambulance driver, who instead of turning round the roundabout of Carolwood house, he drove the ambulance backwards so people wasn't able to see the driver's face, isn't it :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Well all of that ^^ would certainly make complete sense if Michael was driving!
That does fit. That would also satisfy MJ being there with MJ not sitting up on the stretcher. Both statements become true.
I was scrutinizing WHO the guy with the open jacket was protecting, and it was just off. Then, I looked to his right, and the ONLY person stooped over, pretending to be pushing a real body...
Can you just imagine the adrenaline pumping, the nervousness, in pulling that off, after backing up twice, and no one noticing it was you, that messed up? :LolLolLolLol:
Oh - the white jacket that's in the infamous Coroner video, released on Wiki-leaks? It's an Intern coat! Talk about staging the Great Escape - if someone noticed you, it's all fun & games, right?
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Talk about literally being in the driver's seat of the hoax. Whether he was driving or not, who knows, but it could explain TS having us analyze every second and frame of the ambulance backing out, the ambulance photo, the who/what/if anything was in the ambulance, etc. Perhaps we were missing the obvious. Because we were distracted by, for example, leaf patterns.
Sneaky sneaky. (If that's the case)
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Talk about literally being in the driver's seat of the hoax. Whether he was driving or not, who knows, but it could explain TS having us analyze every second and frame of the ambulance backing out, the ambulance photo, the who/what/if anything was in the ambulance, etc. Perhaps we were missing the obvious. Because we were distracted by, for example, leaf patterns.
Sneaky sneaky. (If that's the case)
In an earlier post, I shred the ambulance photo apart here! Two noses? A black man with a white arm!? It was slapped together so fast, it was emergency time for his friend - and he slipped up badly.
Shame they messed with the nose so obviously in photoshop, and misaligned the eye with the eyebrow - otherwise, I'd not have noticed. Photo was so messed up, it just fell apart in Photoshop for me!
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Yeah.. and somebody was quoting the "awkward way" of driving of the ambulance driver, who instead of turning round the roundabout of Carolwood house, he drove the ambulance backwards so people wasn't able to see the driver's face, isn't it :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
Well all of that ^^ would certainly make complete sense if Michael was driving!
That does fit. That would also satisfy MJ being there with MJ not sitting up on the stretcher. Both statements become true.
Like says one old proverb: "greatest darkness lives under a lamp" aka obvious truth is lying under our nose...it is really clever to disguise as a driver while the whole world is focusing on MJ on the stretcher..really plan of the master! :penguin:
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@emulik - I personally thought his BUTT would've given it away! Everybody else in that photo has sloppy old man's butt - he has a firm, dancer's butt! Check and Mate! :thjajaja121:
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@emulik - I personally thought his BUTT would've given it away! Everybody else in that photo has sloppy old man's butt - he has a firm, dancer's butt! Check and Mate! :thjajaja121:
Tink, after long checking :LolLolLolLol: I realize you are right :)
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can someone please show me where Lou ferrigno said Michael was driving the ambulance
I tried to find it but couldnt. Thank you
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@emulik - I personally thought his BUTT would've given it away! Everybody else in that photo has sloppy old man's butt - he has a firm, dancer's butt! Check and Mate! :thjajaja121:
Hey Tink....
LOL...you put into words exactly what I wanted to say in my earlier post/link from above. The TII tri-screen with the backsides .... end of Human Nature is what clinched it for me. The first time I saw TII, I wondered why they would include that. Then I watched the ambulance arrival again....and the pictures. I am sure those backsides are the same....thought so then, think so now. You are so funny the way you phrased it......."sloppy old man's...." Ughh......
Thanks too for that post earlier of the profile picture.....it's a great comparison view!
Hope you are having a great week, full of happiness and blessings!
Blessings Always
@emulik.....I know this "investigative work" is so difficult at times...perhaps we should double check our work :thjajaja121:.........you're so funny! Love Ya!!!!
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Lou Ferigno said MJ liked to send mannequins in ambulances to fool the paps, not drive them.
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Lou Ferigno said MJ liked to send mannequins in ambulances to fool the paps, not drive them.
It was on Good Day LA. On this video, @ 5:43, where it's quite clear, Michael drove an ambulance with a dummy in it: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNXckVRi4zo&feature=related[/youtube]
What a prankster - having Lou say it up front, to see if anyone gets it!! :thjajaja121:
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Lou has a pretty thick accent/speech impediment, it's difficult to determine accurately what he says immediately after saying MJ liked to put mannequins of himself in the ambulance to fool the paps. Thanks for posting the video, Tink, Lou has a lot of hoaxy things to say.
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@bec - Oh, right! I'm used to Lou's accent, since he's been a regular at the Comicon years ago. We used to joke around, when our tables were near each other. But that's my point: The beans were being spilled, but NOBODY WAS HOME! It was like, "HEY! YOOOHOO! Don'tcha get it!" "Hello? Anybody home?
Unfortunately, I was in Rehab, and had swelling of the brain, needed surgeries, and just couldn't quite literally, spare the brain power until after all the surgeries and fought off the brain damage and had cognitive skill retraining only last year, and the other surgeries done in November. Only then, could I look at all of this.
If I hadn't had all of that - I'd have caught it all immediately.
And you're looking at what I dug up, like I was watching it all live.
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@emulik.....I know this "investigative work" is so difficult at times...perhaps we should double check our work :thjajaja121:.........you're so funny! Love Ya!!!!
yes dear Wishingstar, REALLY DIFFICULT and boring work!! In that picture case I prefer to look double, triple,,,etc. times.. :thjajaja121: :icon_redface: :icon_e_wink:
Love you too!!
@Tink..do you have more photos to check for us? :) ...only joking! :icon_bounce:
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@emulik.....I know this "investigative work" is so difficult at times...perhaps we should double check our work :thjajaja121:.........you're so funny! Love Ya!!!!
yes dear Wishingstar, REALLY DIFFICULT and boring work!! In that picture case I prefer to look double, triple,,,etc. times.. :thjajaja121: :icon_redface: :icon_e_wink:
Love you too!!
@Tink..do you have more photos to check for us? :) ...only joking! :icon_bounce:
It is said, that Michael's never been able to fool a woman...so, go watch the videos, if you need a refresher! ;)
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Down girls, keep it in the pants, k?
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You are correct bec....my bad....
SO....illusion in plain sight.......I still believe he was that paramedic. So what do you all think about the security guard holding up the jacket.....as to help someone else out and keep them covered. Did we actually see anyone get out of the ambulance at that point...I don't think so? Or if we did.....still it would seem that was a little bit a classic distraction......the magicians hand doing something over here....all the while, the magic is happening over there. The coat was held up to create an air of mystery, of thought, of focus. It worked I'd say....many people talked forever about who was getting out. The news even mentioned it I think. Nobody was focused on the paramedic rolling him in...it was just the paramedic at that point, lol.
Have a great day...
Blessings to each of you always!
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You are correct bec....my bad....
SO....illusion in plain sight.......I still believe he was that paramedic. So what do you all think about the security guard holding up the jacket.....as to help someone else out and keep them covered. Did we actually see anyone get out of the ambulance at that point...I don't think so? Or if we did.....still it would seem that was a little bit a classic distraction......the magicians hand doing something over here....all the while, the magic is happening over there. The coat was held up to create an air of mystery, of thought, of focus. It worked I'd say....many people talked forever about who was getting out. The news even mentioned it I think. Nobody was focused on the paramedic rolling him in...it was just the paramedic at that point, lol.
Have a great day...
Blessings to each of you always!
I simply loved hanging out at the Magic Castle, when I moved out here, any chance I had. All the magicians knew I was in on the tricks, even showed me some - but I'd never reveal them.
This is a time when you just say - "Why don't you all just go watch Michael's video, Ghosts, where he argues with a doppelganger of himself, along with playing all the principle characters? It's that real."
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You are correct bec....my bad....
SO....illusion in plain sight.......I still believe he was that paramedic. So what do you all think about the security guard holding up the jacket.....as to help someone else out and keep them covered. Did we actually see anyone get out of the ambulance at that point...I don't think so? Or if we did.....still it would seem that was a little bit a classic distraction......the magicians hand doing something over here....all the while, the magic is happening over there. The coat was held up to create an air of mystery, of thought, of focus. It worked I'd say....many people talked forever about who was getting out. The news even mentioned it I think. Nobody was focused on the paramedic rolling him in...it was just the paramedic at that point, lol.
Have a great day...
Blessings to each of you always!
I simply loved hanging out at the Magic Castle, when I moved out here, any chance I had. All the magicians knew I was in on the tricks, even showed me some - but I'd never reveal them.
This is a time when you just say - "Why don't you all just go watch Michael's video, Ghosts, where he argues with a doppelganger of himself, along with playing all the principle characters? It's that real."
The Magic Castle would be an awesome place to see....one day : )
Yes, I watched Ghosts not long ago and had the same feeling....the hoax is that real....he's playing a real-life version of himself, while incorporating some amazing classic magic and making the world a better place! I would have loved to been in on the planning of this....I would have fallen off the chair in amazement!
Blessings Always
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maybe that man is holding up his jacket , because there where photographers at that side who where to close, or they where in a better angle to take a good picture of Michael......
The most pictures that i have seen this far was from the left side of the ambulance.
I've only saw one piece of short film, from the side of the bodyguard, it was the one with "someone sitting up at the stretcher".
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maybe that man is holding up his jacket , because there where photographers at that side who where to close, or they where in a better angle to take a good picture of Michael......
The most pictures that i have seen this far was from the left side of the ambulance.
I've only saw one piece of short film, from the side of the bodyguard, it was the one with "someone sitting up at the stretcher".
I agree - that's what I meant, when I said Paparazzi. If you look closely, there is a pair of shoes right in front of the bodyguard holding the jacket! But you don't see the face of that EMT I pointed out, because everyone's focused on the stretcher, right?
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Tink, I was just referring to the pic where it says Michael was wearing sunglasses, he was driving the ambulance, like Lou Ferringo said". I took this as Lou said he was driving the ambulance.
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Tink, I was just referring to the pic where it says Michael was wearing sunglasses, he was driving the ambulance, like Lou Ferringo said". I took this as Lou said he was driving the ambulance.
Yes - Michael drove it, pretending to be the driver - why he messed up backing up twice.
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You are correct bec....my bad....
SO....illusion in plain sight.......I still believe he was that paramedic. So what do you all think about the security guard holding up the jacket.....as to help someone else out and keep them covered. Did we actually see anyone get out of the ambulance at that point...I don't think so? Or if we did.....still it would seem that was a little bit a classic distraction......the magicians hand doing something over here....all the while, the magic is happening over there. The coat was held up to create an air of mystery, of thought, of focus. It worked I'd say....many people talked forever about who was getting out. The news even mentioned it I think. Nobody was focused on the paramedic rolling him in...it was just the paramedic at that point, lol.
Have a great day...
Blessings to each of you always!
I simply loved hanging out at the Magic Castle, when I moved out here, any chance I had. All the magicians knew I was in on the tricks, even showed me some - but I'd never reveal them.
This is a time when you just say - "Why don't you all just go watch Michael's video, Ghosts, where he argues with a doppelganger of himself, along with playing all the principle characters? It's that real."
The Magic Castle would be an awesome place to see....one day : )
Yes, I watched Ghosts not long ago and had the same feeling....the hoax is that real....he's playing a real-life version of himself, while incorporating some amazing classic magic and making the world a better place! I would have loved to been in on the planning of this....I would have fallen off the chair in amazement!
Blessings Always
Exactly girls, Ghosts film is very look alike this hoax..more I watch it, more I am convinced about it!
Sorry @Bec, our fault.. :icon_redface:
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This is such an interesting change of direction. Thanks for all the great info, Tink! It had been discussed briefly way back, but didn't go anywhere.
Doesn’t he look exactly like this old disguise?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjambulanc.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WCufLg7zyy4/T2MS2SwO5XI/AAAAAAAABS8/X2bWr6N81GE/s1600/Michael+Jackson++in+disguise.jpg)
“Firm dancer butt!”
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h478/GINAFELICIA/butt.jpg)
So how can we get around TS saying that MJ did not go to the hospital that day? Does he mean-- Not as MJ on the stretcher? Perhaps he doesn’t include MJ disguised as the driver.
Emulik, here’s your direct quote from Front, and notice the quotation marks around “driver”. Why, unless it’s important.
Front, Sept 15, 11
Stumbling blocks are inevitable…however, they CAN be surpassed with grace---IF we synergistically explore the terrain. A collective journey with many "passengers" in the same vehicle is bound to get a little uncomfortable, with plenty of potholes and hurdles continuing along the way. BUT…..let's remember who the "driver" is----> Michael Jackson will get us all home safely.
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@Front, I heard Mike is a terrible driver. You sure he will take us home safe and sound? :lol:
(http://www.free-avatars.com/data/media/85/smiley_car.gif)
Tink
It was on Good Day LA. On this video, @ 5:43, where it's quite clear, Michael drove an ambulance with a dummy in it:
He said, “Stealing away the paparazzi”. Stealing the pap’s away from him—MJ, so he wasn’t driving then. Plus Lou stutters.
I certainly agree that it totally explains why the ambulance was SOOO slow backing up and nearly hit the gate. Bet the other medics were LTAO!
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I certainly agree that it totally explains why the ambulance was SOOO slow backing up and nearly hit the gate. Bet the other medics were LTAO!
:LolLolLolLol: well, at least nobody is perfect..backing up is difficult for many people, including me... :icon_e_biggrin:
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The paramedic that is supposed to be Michael matches with Michael's high and body language so I agree he could be Michael himself but... what about Jermaine's slip up saying "when Michael arrived to the airport...oopss... to the hospital ?? and the news talking about LAX airport being closed during one hour on June 25th 2009 ?? :moonwalk_:
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The paramedic that is supposed to be Michael matches with Michael's high and body language so I agree he could be Michael himself but... what about Jermaine's slip up saying "when Michael arrived to the airport...oopss... to the hospital ?? and the news talking about LAX airport being closed during one hour on June 25th 2009 ?? :moonwalk_:
Perhaps Jermaine's slip was either just an honest slip, or maybe he set out to intentionally throw the focus on the airport....taking the attention away from the arrival of the ambulance. By the time he made that, "slip-up" hoaxers were in full motion. We were biting at anything that was thrown out there. He knew by saying a slip like that, all the focus would given to the airport. Hoaxers would be thrown off the trail, so to speak.
The lone flight that left LAX, could have been a set-up, could have been coincidence, could have been a normal flight that leaves at that same time each day.
Anyways.....just thinking out loud here, lol.......
Have a great day!
LOVE
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Perhaps Jermaine's slip was either just an honest slip, or maybe he set out to intentionally throw the focus on the airport....taking the attention away from the arrival of the ambulance. By the time he made that, "slip-up" hoaxers were in full motion. We were biting at anything that was thrown out there. He knew by saying a slip like that, all the focus would given to the airport. Hoaxers would be thrown off the trail, so to speak.
The lone flight that left LAX, could have been a set-up, could have been coincidence, could have been a normal flight that leaves at that same time each day.
Anyways.....just thinking out loud here, lol.......
Have a great day!
LOVE
No wonder I'm walking around the house not knowing what to do next. So, even those of us who have thought we were hot on the trail, first in line, so to speak, may have purposely been fed a delightful concoction of truth and lies which keeps us forever chasing our tails and guessing about what's really going on. :over-react-smiley:
Isn't this form of torture covered by the Geneva Convention?
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Perhaps Jermaine's slip was either just an honest slip, or maybe he set out to intentionally throw the focus on the airport....taking the attention away from the arrival of the ambulance. By the time he made that, "slip-up" hoaxers were in full motion. We were biting at anything that was thrown out there. He knew by saying a slip like that, all the focus would given to the airport. Hoaxers would be thrown off the trail, so to speak.
The lone flight that left LAX, could have been a set-up, could have been coincidence, could have been a normal flight that leaves at that same time each day.
Anyways.....just thinking out loud here, lol.......
Have a great day!
LOVE
No wonder I'm walking around the house not knowing what to do next. So, even those of us who have thought we were hot on the trail, first in line, so to speak, may have purposely been fed a delightful concoction of truth and lies which keeps us forever chasing our tails and guessing about what's really going on. :over-react-smiley:
Isn't this form of torture covered by the Geneva Convention?
:thjajaja121:
You're so funny.....yes, my brain hurts and I think I have whiplash from so many twists and turns......
isn't it great!!!!!! :icon_lol:
LOVE
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It's called "sleight of hand." not lies, lol. Michael never "lied" to you directly. You watch the wrong hand because you're distracted, focus your eyes there. Just watch Penn & Teller! As for the "Mystery Flight at LAX," I've never bought into that, because I used to have an office in Westwood. Too far, too much bloody traffic! The closest airstrip for long distance luxury 8-10 person aircraft is Santa Monica. There are many dignitaries who fly in unmarked planes, especially in LA!
The one I flew in was a Westwind, from there. It's capable of Transcontinental Flights, with distances of up to 2,000 miles before needing to refuel. I can't imagine him being that far away from his children.
Ergo, I deduce he's been wearing disguises here all along - or perhaps, none at all. For who knows what he looks like without the wigs and makeup now? Perhaps he's been under everyone's noses all along.
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Perhaps Jermaine's slip was either just an honest slip, or maybe he set out to intentionally throw the focus on the airport....taking the attention away from the arrival of the ambulance. By the time he made that, "slip-up" hoaxers were in full motion. We were biting at anything that was thrown out there. He knew by saying a slip like that, all the focus would given to the airport. Hoaxers would be thrown off the trail, so to speak.
The lone flight that left LAX, could have been a set-up, could have been coincidence, could have been a normal flight that leaves at that same time each day.
Anyways.....just thinking out loud here, lol.......
Have a great day!
LOVE
No wonder I'm walking around the house not knowing what to do next. So, even those of us who have thought we were hot on the trail, first in line, so to speak, may have purposely been fed a delightful concoction of truth and lies which keeps us forever chasing our tails and guessing about what's really going on. :over-react-smiley:
Isn't this form of torture covered by the Geneva Convention?
Isn't that called, "Wag the Dog?"
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Perhaps Jermaine's slip was either just an honest slip, or maybe he set out to intentionally throw the focus on the airport....taking the attention away from the arrival of the ambulance. By the time he made that, "slip-up" hoaxers were in full motion. We were biting at anything that was thrown out there. He knew by saying a slip like that, all the focus would given to the airport. Hoaxers would be thrown off the trail, so to speak.
The lone flight that left LAX, could have been a set-up, could have been coincidence, could have been a normal flight that leaves at that same time each day.
Anyways.....just thinking out loud here, lol.......
Have a great day!
LOVE
No wonder I'm walking around the house not knowing what to do next. So, even those of us who have thought we were hot on the trail, first in line, so to speak, may have purposely been fed a delightful concoction of truth and lies which keeps us forever chasing our tails and guessing about what's really going on. :over-react-smiley:
Isn't this form of torture covered by the Geneva Convention?
:thjajaja121:
You're so funny.....yes, my brain hurts and I think I have whiplash from so many twists and turns......
isn't it great!!!!!! :icon_lol:
LOVE
Just another example of a MIND GAME :icon_albino: :icon_e_biggrin:
MIND GAMES (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22501.0)
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@SimPatty - but if it was all a simulation, ie, it never actually said, "Michael Jackson," on the readout in the ambulance, then isn't the Media, the world that jumped to conclusions?
It's either that - or he passed, and an angel resurrected him in front of millions of people on live tv onboard Rescue 5.
Pick one.
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@SimPatty - but if it was all a simulation, ie, it never actually said, "Michael Jackson," on the readout in the ambulance, then isn't the Media, the world that jumped to conclusions?
It's either that - or he really died, and an angel resurrected him in front of millions of people on live tv onboard Rescue 5.
Pick one.
Haha, I pick the former.
I would agree they simply jumped to conclusions, however, Jermaine said clearly, his brother, the King of Pop, Michael Jackson, died. Yes it was a few hours later but still. To CNN's credit, they held off reporting "confirmed death" until then.
So there's that. They had help drawing those conclusions.
Did they bother to verify it? Nope. Did we? Yup and then some.
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I would agree they simply jumped to conclusions, however, Jermaine said clearly, his brother, the King of Pop, Michael Jackson, died.
Nope. Jermaine said that his brother "passed away".
He even said "it is believed he passed away".
“This is hard,” he said softly. “My brother, the legendary King of Pop, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009 at 2:26 p.m.... It is believed he passed away of cardiac arrest.”
Michael Jackson's death: Jermaine Jackson speaks - latimes.com (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/michael-jackson-jermaine-jackson.html)
Word games we've had plenty. Very elegant ones. Very artistic ones.
That's what artists do: take a common understanding out of its context and give it new meaning.
^^
This.
Pick the one you like most (there's 25 senses of using the word and only one means "to die"):
Synonyms (Grouped by Similarity of Meaning) of verb pass
Sense 1:pass, go through, go across
travel, go, move, locomote
Sense 2:travel by, pass by, surpass, go past, go by, pass
travel, go, move, locomote
Sense 3:legislate, pass
ordain, enact
Sense 4:elapse, lapse, pass, slip by, glide by, slip away, go by, slide by, go along
advance, progress, pass on, move on, march on, go on
Sense 5:pass, hand, reach, pass on, turn over, give
transfer
Sense 6:run, go, pass, lead, extend
be
Sense 7:pass, overtake, overhaul
advance, progress, pass on, move on, march on, go on
Sense 8:happen, hap, go on, pass off, occur, pass, fall out, come about, take place
Sense 9:pass, clear
succeed, win, come through, bring home the bacon, deliver the goods
Sense 10:spend, pass
Sense 11:guide, run, draw, pass
Sense 12:communicate, pass on, pass, pass along, put across
convey, transmit, communicate
Sense 13:evanesce, fade, blow over, pass off, fleet, pass
disappear, vanish, go away
Sense 14:pass, make it
succeed, win, come through, bring home the bacon, deliver the goods
Sense 15:exceed, transcend, overstep, pass, go past, top
excel, stand out, surpass
Sense 16:pass
evaluate, pass judgment, judge
Sense 17:pass
let, allow, permit
Sense 18:pass
change
Sense 19:sink, pass, lapse
move
Sense 20:pass
throw
Sense 21:fall, return, pass, devolve
change hands, change owners
Sense 22:pass, make pass
Sense 23:authorize, authorise, pass, clear
permit, allow, let, countenance
Sense 24:die, decease, perish, go, exit, pass away, expire, pass, kick the bucket, cash in one's chips, buy the farm, conk, give-up the ghost, drop dead, pop off, choke, croak, snuff it
change state, turn
Sense 25:excrete, egest, eliminate, pass
exhaust, discharge, expel, eject, release
Synonyms for pass | Synonym.com (http://www.synonym.com/synonyms/pass/)
Thank you Michael for reminding us over and over again to be more careful with our words and what we (want to) say.
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For the big loop: "Passover feast" - pass by in a race - "we're taking over" - tIME backwards.
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I would agree they simply jumped to conclusions, however, Jermaine said clearly, his brother, the King of Pop, Michael Jackson, died.
Nope. Jermaine said that his brother "passed away". He even said "believed".
“This is hard,” he said softly. “My brother, the legendary King of Pop, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009 at 2:26 p.m.... It is believed he passed away of cardiac arrest.”
Michael Jackson's death: Jermaine Jackson speaks - latimes.com (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/michael-jackson-jermaine-jackson.html)
Word games we've had plenty. Very elegant ones. Very artistic ones.
That's what artists do: take a common understanding out of its context and give it new meaning.
^^
This.
Pick the one you like most (there's 25 senses of using the word and only one means to die):
Synonyms (Grouped by Similarity of Meaning) of verb pass
Sense 1:pass, go through, go across
travel, go, move, locomote
Sense 2:travel by, pass by, surpass, go past, go by, pass
travel, go, move, locomote
Sense 3:legislate, pass
ordain, enact
Sense 4:elapse, lapse, pass, slip by, glide by, slip away, go by, slide by, go along
advance, progress, pass on, move on, march on, go on
Sense 5:pass, hand, reach, pass on, turn over, give
transfer
Sense 6:run, go, pass, lead, extend
be
Sense 7:pass, overtake, overhaul
advance, progress, pass on, move on, march on, go on
Sense 8:happen, hap, go on, pass off, occur, pass, fall out, come about, take place
Sense 9:pass, clear
succeed, win, come through, bring home the bacon, deliver the goods
Sense 10:spend, pass
Sense 11:guide, run, draw, pass
Sense 12:communicate, pass on, pass, pass along, put across
convey, transmit, communicate
Sense 13:evanesce, fade, blow over, pass off, fleet, pass
disappear, vanish, go away
Sense 14:pass, make it
succeed, win, come through, bring home the bacon, deliver the goods
Sense 15:exceed, transcend, overstep, pass, go past, top
excel, stand out, surpass
Sense 16:pass
evaluate, pass judgment, judge
Sense 17:pass
let, allow, permit
Sense 18:pass
change
Sense 19:sink, pass, lapse
move
Sense 20:pass
throw
Sense 21:fall, return, pass, devolve
change hands, change owners
Sense 22:pass, make pass
Sense 23:authorize, authorise, pass, clear
permit, allow, let, countenance
Sense 24:die, decease, perish, go, exit, pass away, expire, pass, kick the bucket, cash in one's chips, buy the farm, conk, give-up the ghost, drop dead, pop off, choke, croak, snuff it
change state, turn
Sense 25:excrete, egest, eliminate, pass
exhaust, discharge, expel, eject, release
Synonyms for pass | Synonym.com (http://www.synonym.com/synonyms/pass/)
Thank you Michael for reminding us over and over again to be more careful with our words and what we (want to) say.
I am very careful with this word:
:smiley_abuv:
You totally deserve that one Grace!!! Great post indeed!
Blessings!
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Ah Grace, delightful nuance of the English language. Thanks for making the correction.
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Not correction, enrichment. All credits go to Michael.
The English language is so rich of wonders yet there is a restricted understanding of it through day to day use (and media slang). I found non-native speakers are having an advantage in the hoax since they are used to look up words and get the multiple meanings more easily.
Michael put smiles from east to west on my face many many times because his manner of putting words, the sequence, the timing, the chosen context of the ignition text making the picture blurry and getting majority on one big interpretative trail - despite being very precise - is without precedence.
Watch the master at work. VIP lounge.
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I agree Grace!
This hoax thanks to MJ, has been delicious to my brain--the things he makes me think, feel, learn, imagine, experience!!
M-m-m Good!!
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This is such an interesting change of direction. Thanks for all the great info, Tink! It had been discussed briefly way back, but didn't go anywhere.
Doesn’t he look exactly like this old disguise?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjambulanc.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WCufLg7zyy4/T2MS2SwO5XI/AAAAAAAABS8/X2bWr6N81GE/s1600/Michael+Jackson++in+disguise.jpg)
“Firm dancer butt!”
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h478/GINAFELICIA/butt.jpg)
So how can we get around TS saying that MJ did not go to the hospital that day? Does he mean-- Not as MJ on the stretcher? Perhaps he doesn’t include MJ disguised as the driver.
Emulik, here’s your direct quote from Front, and notice the quotation marks around “driver”. Why, unless it’s important.
Front, Sept 15, 11
Stumbling blocks are inevitable…however, they CAN be surpassed with grace---IF we synergistically explore the terrain. A collective journey with many "passengers" in the same vehicle is bound to get a little uncomfortable, with plenty of potholes and hurdles continuing along the way. BUT…..let's remember who the "driver" is----> Michael Jackson will get us all home safely.
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@Front, I heard Mike is a terrible driver. You sure he will take us home safe and sound? :lol:
(http://www.free-avatars.com/data/media/85/smiley_car.gif)
Tink
It was on Good Day LA. On this video, @ 5:43, where it's quite clear, Michael drove an ambulance with a dummy in it:
He said, “Stealing away the paparazzi”. Stealing the pap’s away from him—MJ, so he wasn’t driving then. Plus Lou stutters.
I certainly agree that it totally explains why the ambulance was SOOO slow backing up and nearly hit the gate. Bet the other medics were LTAO!
I knew someone would bring up an image like that, lol - I hope he forgives me. :icon_redface:
Actually, Lou doesn't normally trip over his words, especially when it's one on one. He's a real sweetheart! He was nervous, which I do find unusual. He did come from another country, so English isn't his native language - so when nervous, yes - word trippage would be a fall back, an excuse, to cover for his fluster.
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i think its an assumption to extend lou's quote to include 'stealing away the paps" FROM him... it could well mean stealing the paps away from the scene. it could well be that lou did indeed just tell everyone that mj drove the ambulance on 6/25/09. could be, entirely possible.
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i think its an assumption to extend lou's quote to include 'stealing away the paps" FROM him... it could well mean stealing the paps away from the scene. it could well be that lou did indeed just tell everyone that mj drove the ambulance on 6/25/09. could be, entirely possible.
it could well be that lou did indeed just tell everyone that mj drove the ambulance on 6/25/09.
That is what I believe, Bec; that's what I've always believed! ;)
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Oh, I forgot to add this last little tantalizing tidbit: the two CNN indicias were definitely different between Miko's, and the one at the end of RTLs!
Here's the one off of Michael's door, during Miko's interview: (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/nvrlanrsr.jpg)
You will notice that there's a BLACK border, all the way around, with Michael's pick inserted, rather professionally.
Here's the end of the tape, off of Michael's door, on RTLs one: (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/nvrlankok.jpg)
NO BORDER, NO INSERT - and it's hand-painted! Nothing matches the real CNN logo, hello!
So, if this on TOP of the Super Mario Bros. images on the ORIGINAL 08/25/09 tape doesn't convince you that Michael orchestrated everything - then don't believe anything. No one else has EVER gone to such degrees to drop so many hints,
even by his own friends.
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Tink,
what are you talking about?
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Oh, I forgot to add this last little tantalizing tidbit: the two CNN indicias were definitely different between Miko's, and the one at the end of RTLs!
Here's the one off of Michael's door, during Miko's interview: (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/nvrlanrsr.jpg)
You will notice that there's a BLACK border, all the way around, with Michael's pick inserted, rather professionally.
Here's the end of the tape, off of Michael's door, on RTLs one: (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/nvrlankok.jpg)
NO BORDER, NO INSERT - and it's hand-painted! Nothing matches the real CNN logo, hello!
So, if this on TOP of the Super Mario Bros. images on the ORIGINAL 08/25/09 tape doesn't convince you that Michael orchestrated everything - then don't believe anything. No one else has EVER gone to such degrees to drop so many hints,
even by his own friends.
Those pictures show the same, one is just baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad(er) quality.
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baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad(er)
:icon_lol: I agree--different amount of light.
Remember how we obsessed over the pony-tailed guy who we thought was on the stretcher, for 2 years until TS explained that he was an attendant on the far side with his legs mostly hidden. Now why in the world did he have to look exactly like MJ unless it was a deliberate decoy. Then the guards are holding up their jackets like they're hiding MJ again, another decoy. Then this driver medic who looks exactly like the old MJ disguise, could be another decoy. The fact that the medic in the amb pic holding the bag should be black according to testimony, and yet has a white arm is again trickery. There's a whole mess of shenanigans going on here, like a mastermind game. I have still not eliminated Murray in my mind, almost because he seems the least likely with his height. This has happened so often, we'll think we have it in the bag and then, nope, back to the drawing-board. I just can't explain how looking into Murray's eyes for hours in the courtroom seemed so mesmerizing and surreal. And I simply can't buy TS's MJ went to the airport--Jermaine's slip-up must be a decoy. I just haven't been convinced beyond a shadow of doubt yet... :icon_e_confused:
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@MJonmind - if you look back at the page where I show how that fake ambulance photo was done, with the African-American medic - that photo is as fake as can be: black leg; black hand in glove, with white arm superimposed over. MJ with TWO NOSES!? Emergency Photoshop on the fly, for LOTS OF MONEY!! I decimated that photo into teeny-weeny bits like a Samurai with Photoshop as a sword.
See to me? Anything with a gross factor, seems to only be tolerated by mostly women, who are interested in the truth. The rest of the world is like, "EWWWW!" and runs away. We are peering behind that curtain, and see the Wizard of Oz at the controls of the Game.
Also remember - I've not been caught in a 3 year long run, like most of you. I feel for you who have been.
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Also remember - I've not been caught in a 3 year long run, like most of you. I feel for you who have been.
Why? We got the whole enchilada. Wouldn't have want to miss it in a million years!
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Also remember - I've not been caught in a 3 year long run, like most of you. I feel for you who have been.
Why? We got the whole enchilada. Wouldn't have want to miss it in a million years!
@Souza - :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug:
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Also remember - I've not been caught in a 3 year long run, like most of you. I feel for you who have been.
To the contrary I feel for you who haven't been!! ;)
Souza
Why? We got the whole enchilada. Wouldn't have want to miss it for in million years!
Yep, yep! It's more than just the destination, but the getting there as well.
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Also remember - I've not been caught in a 3 year long run, like most of you. I feel for you who have been.
To the contrary I feel for you who haven't been!! ;)
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Also remember - I've not been caught in a 3 year long run, like most of you. I feel for you who have been.
To the contrary I feel for you who haven't been!! ;)
+1 (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/number-one-respect-953.gif)
This has merit - but the facts that I was under Propofol many times for surgery in a short period of time, led me onto all of this most intimately - and for that, I am grateful to understand this from the inside out! :bearhug:
So, there's more than one way to look at it. My eyes are new as a baby's on all of this - and I hope I can see things that can keep on helping!